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lol... Great group of people the prosecution has assembled... Their Star Witness... lololol I hope she assaults the defense attorney tomorrow, she almost lost it today. ;D
Teenage Star Witness Against George Zimmerman Has Tweeted About Case, Getting High, And Her "Court Nails"
6/26 UPDATE: Dozens of incriminating posts were deleted last night from the Twitter account of Rachel Jeantel, a female acquaintance of Trayvon Martin. The 19-year-old woman began testifying this afternoon in the George Zimmerman murder trial.
The government’s star witness in the George Zimmerman prosecution is a 19-year-old Miami woman who has used her Twitter account to occasionally comment about the murder case and this week tweeted followers a photo of her new manicure with the caption “Court nails.”
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/twitter/rachel-jeantel-758403?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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I realize this is irrelevant, but what kind of Criminal record does Martin's dad have? ???
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From the comments: I feel bad for the court stenographer. ;D
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Did you see her testimony on TV? :D
They had to put subtitles on the bottom of the screen so that we could fucking understand what this jackass was saying. ::)
You know none of the jurors understood a word.
Of course, none of the left-wing media mentions it.
Don't wanna be called racist. ::)
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From the comments: I feel bad for the court stenographer. ;D
Lol they had to clarify what she was saying every other answer
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Did you see her testimony on TV? :D
They had to put subtitles on the bottom of the screen so that we could fucking understand what this jackass was saying. ::)
You know none of the jurors understood a word.
Of course, none of the left-wing media mentions it.
Don't wanna be called racist. ::)
haha... I realize these ghetto people are ignorant (which is our fault as white tax payers), but I didn't realize we had reached the point where they're also incapable of vocal communication.
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Does anyone else find it remarkable that this fat, inbred ape can magically hear and identify when someone "bumps" into someone else during cell phone conversations, but doesn't have the mental capacity to read script?
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I guess the "bump" she heard on the phone sounded aggressively white-hispanic.
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Does anyone else find it remarkable that this fat, inbred ape can magically hear and identify when someone "bumps" into someone else during cell phone conversations, but doesn't have the mental capacity to read script?
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I guess the "bump" she heard on the phone sounded aggressively white-hispanic.
The case isn't about her....its about Zimmerman....wouldn't have to listen to her if Zimmerman wasn't trying to play hero
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The case isn't about her....its about Zimmerman....wouldn't have to listen to her if Zimmerman wasn't trying to play hero
yup, wouldnt have to listen to her if trayvon hadnt have run away and then confronted zimmerman either.
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The case isn't about her....its about Zimmerman....wouldn't have to listen to her if Zimmerman wasn't trying to play hero
Thanks for taking a break from your glory hole at the truck stop men's room to chime in with another stupid comment.
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Thanks for taking a break from your glory hole at the truck stop men's room to chime in with another stupid comment.
haha!!! ;D
Funny because it's true!!
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Thanks for taking a break from your glory hole at the truck stop men's room to chime in with another stupid comment.
Your welcome...be sure to pick your mother up at the truck stop in a few hours..... ;D
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The case isn't about her....its about Zimmerman....wouldn't have to listen to her if Zimmerman wasn't trying to play hero
But she is a part of this case, a star witness, no less.
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I hope so too, but don't get your hopes up.
My feeling is that Zimmerman will be sacrificed to keep them from rioting. :o
After all, any excuse to loot and cause mayhem. ::)
Florida doesn't want to see what happened in Los Angeles after the cops who put the smack down on Rodney King were acquitted.
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Florida doesn't want to see what happened in Los Angeles after the cops who put the smack down on Rodney King were acquitted.
it's too hot to riot in Florida. I mean, it's 94 and "feels like" 102 all day long right now. And every store owner is also a glock or rifle owner. It's cowboy city here.
I'm sure there will be some rowdy people with signs, yelling for the cameras no matter what the outcome, but such a small % of Floridians even actually watch the news to even know about the trial in the first place.
In reality, the verdict will result in a bunch of people using ALL CAPS on their facebook wall, a bunch of likes and other "Man, one of the days, people are gonna..." and then we'll return to our air-conditioned, status checking bliss.
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Thanks for taking a break from your glory hole at the truck stop men's room to chime in with another stupid comment.
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LMFAO!!!!
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But she is a part of this case, a star witness, no less.
None of these people are stars of any type...... ;D
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lol... Great group of people the prosecution has assembled... Their Star Witness... lololol I hope she assaults the defense attorney tomorrow, she almost lost it today. ;D
Teenage Star Witness Against George Zimmerman Has Tweeted About Case, Getting High, And Her "Court Nails"
6/26 UPDATE: Dozens of incriminating posts were deleted last night from the Twitter account of Rachel Jeantel, a female acquaintance of Trayvon Martin. The 19-year-old woman began testifying this afternoon in the George Zimmerman murder trial.
The government’s star witness in the George Zimmerman prosecution is a 19-year-old Miami woman who has used her Twitter account to occasionally comment about the murder case and this week tweeted followers a photo of her new manicure with the caption “Court nails.”
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/twitter/rachel-jeantel-758403?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Lol
If anything this is good for Zimmerman
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But I thought Trayvon was this pure clean little boy. What is he doing in the dope head scene? This must be a mistake.
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She must have been getting high during her drama and theater classes in high school. Because that was the worst acting I ever saw when she was on the stand.
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She must have been getting high during her drama and theater classes in high school. Because that was the worst acting I ever saw when she was on the stand.
zing.
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The case isn't about her....its about Zimmerman....wouldn't have to listen to her if Zimmerman wasn't trying to play hero
It is about her when she's testifying. Her testimony is at issue here, as is her character.
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She must have been getting high during her drama and theater classes in high school. Because that was the worst acting I ever saw when she was on the stand.
Zimmmermans layer should use this line.
A million times better than the joke he opened with.
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Zimmmermans layer should use this line.
A million times better than the joke he opened with.
He opened with a joke? Really?!? I have t been paying any attention to this media spectacle, but seriously? A joke by the defense in a murder trial? Shit. What's next, he'll petition to let an actor who plays a detective on Law &Order testify as an expert witness?
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Zimmmermans layer should use this line.
A million times better than the joke he opened with.
Yeah, still can't believe that shit.
I hope the jury won't hold it against Zimmerman, but ya gotta wonder if it's on the backs of their minds....along with the competence level of his counsel.
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Yeah, still can't believe that shit.
I hope the jury won't hold it against Zimmerman, but ya gotta wonder if it's on the backs of their minds....along with the competence level of his counsel.
that joke was poor. But that lawyer (2nd chair defense) has been good with the witnesses, very good. I dislike that head attorney, he was very confused early on in the case.
they can't defeat that 911 call, however. prosecution will play that right before the jury leaves to deliberate. No matter what went down - one man was angry, armed, and wanted a fight. the other was a kid running from someone. doesn't matter if trayvon was a pothead or zimm had a violent record. That 911 call will decide it.
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The joke made me... So unfunny that it's actually hilarious
Zimmerman who? You're on the jury.
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He opened with a joke? Really?!? I have t been paying any attention to this media spectacle, but seriously? A joke by the defense in a murder trial? Shit. What's next, he'll petition to let an actor who plays a detective on Law &Order testify as an expert witness?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/video/trayvon-martin-case-knock-knock-joke-falls-flat-19474682
If i were Zimmermann i would get another lawyer.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/t/video/trayvon-martin-case-knock-knock-joke-falls-flat-19474682
If i were Zimmermann i would get another lawyer.
No shit. That and then claiming Trayvon was armed that night as well. Armed with what? The sidewalk. ::)
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No shit. That and then claiming Trayvon was armed that night as well. Armed with what? The sidewalk. ::)
that #2 defense guy lacks common sense, but tore that witness a new a-hole up there.
The #1 lawyer is a local TV lawyer, great hair and sarcasm, but doesn't connect at ALL with the jury. Aloof and rude.
The prosecutor is a star... he is getting the bags of shit out of the way now. That 911 call is going to be tough to diffuse... clearly, zimmerman - with a gun - is running toward a person he hates, and clearly trayvon is running away. that fact alone tosses self defense out the window.
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that #2 defense guy lacks common sense, but tore that witness a new a-hole up there.
The #1 lawyer is a local TV lawyer, great hair and sarcasm, but doesn't connect at ALL with the jury. Aloof and rude.
The prosecutor is a star... he is getting the bags of shit out of the way now. That 911 call is going to be tough to diffuse... clearly, zimmerman - with a gun - is running toward a person he hates, and clearly trayvon is running away. that fact alone tosses self defense out the window.
Lol. Come on now.
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Lol. Come on now.
are you watching the trial? I predict that prosecutor will have everyone in tears with his kevin costner voice, going thru the 911 call... putting us all in trayvon's shoes... even if he did throw the first punch - TO WHICH WE HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE - he was justified because he was scared shitless by an armed MMA trained wannabe cop playing yard ninja.
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are you watching the trial? I predict that prosecutor will have everyone in tears with his kevin costner voice, going thru the 911 call... putting us all in trayvon's shoes...even if he did throw the first punch - TO WHICH WE HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE - he was justified because he was scared shitless by an armed MMA trained wannabe cop playing yard ninja.
What evidence do we have Martin was scared shitless.
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are you watching the trial? I predict that prosecutor will have everyone in tears with his kevin costner voice, going thru the 911 call... putting us all in trayvon's shoes... even if he did throw the first punch - TO WHICH WE HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE - he was justified because he was scared shitless by an armed MMA trained wannabe cop playing yard ninja.
Ha, you mean like all the other things you PROMISED us were going to happen, and once they didn't, you started backtracking and suddenly "you "didn't have the facts, and cmon man, this is getbig".
Lawl.
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What evidence do we have Martin was scared shitless.
Or that he knew that Zimmerman was armed and trained in MMA?
240 is just going way overboard here and isn't looking at the case or the evidence rationally.
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What evidence do we have Martin was scared shitless.
what evidence do you have he wasn't shitting bunny rabbits? lol
I'm predicting that the prosecution will say in their closing argument. I can't "Prove" the state of mind of a dead person, but I do know he ran when he was walking previously, right after a person in a truck started following him.
I can't "prove" people on the Titanic were terrified. I mean, i wasn't there.
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Or that he knew that Zimmerman was armed and trained in MMA?
240 is just going way overboard here and isn't looking at the case or the evidence rationally.
rational?
A grown ass man (with a history of violence and state-ordered alcohol counseling) jumped out of his truck with a 9mm and chased down a minor, fought and killed him.
Does that seem rational?
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Ha, you mean like all the other things you PROMISED us were going to happen, and once they didn't, you started backtracking and suddenly "you "didn't have the facts, and cmon man, this is getbig".
Lawl.
LMAO - I "promised"? PLease find any quote where I PROMISED anything about this case lol
Dude, it's a gossip and opinions board. We DISCUSS current events and make predicitons. Do you seriously do this on sports boards too? "You PROMISED the Spurs would win!" relax man, it's just getbig, we're a bunch of idiots arguing shit and having fun.
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rational?
A grown ass man (with a history of violence and state-ordered alcohol counseling) jumped out of his truck with a 9mm and chased down a minor, fought and killed him.
Does that seem rational?
Whether Zimmerman's actions are rational is a different question. The issue here is different. You asserted that Trayvon was justified in acting in self-defense because Zimmerman had a gun and was trained in MMA. I am asking you to support your position by posing a simple question that targets the underlying assumption of your argument: how did Trayvon know that Zimmerman was trained in MMA and had a gun?
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rational?
A grown ass man (with a history of violence and state-ordered alcohol counseling) jumped out of his truck with a 9mm and chased down a minor, fought and killed him.
Does that seem rational?
We both agree that Zimmerman should not have gotten out of his truck but I just don't think that Zimmerman jumped out of truck and chased a running Martin like in some bad action film.
Should Zimmerman be charged with murder? I don't think so. There doesn't appear to be any intent to murder. This situation would have been better off in civil court.
You may disagree and that's fine. You're a good guy and I appreciate your perspective.
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Whether Zimmerman's actions are rational is a different question. The issue here is different. You asserted that Trayvon was justified in acting in self-defense because Zimmerman had a gun and was trained in MMA. I am asking you to support your position by posing a simple question that targets the underlying assumption of your argument: how did Trayvon know that Zimmerman was trained in MMA and had a gun?
let me be clear - I can make the case that trayvon was justified in using his hands, a rock, the sidewalk, or a firearm because he was scared of a man about to do bodily harm to him.
It's florida law. I can be chased by 2 teenage kids, I can shoot them both, and I can claim i was scared for my life, since I have heart disease in my family and I thought an attack would kill me, as I had chest pains recently. I can do that! As can trayvon.
Now, maybe he didn't know about the gun, but maybe he did. But in FL, if someone cahses you 2 blocks in the night, you can say you feared for your life. I remember sitting thru the CCW FL permit course a few months back, the day zimmerman was indicted. i posted about it, look it up. it's legal dude.
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We both agree that Zimmerman should not have gotten out of his truck but I just don't think that Zimmerman jumped out of truck and chased a running Martin like in some bad action film.
Should Zimmerman be charged with murder? I don't think so. There doesn't appear to be any intent to murder. This situation would have been better off in civil court.
You may disagree and that's fine. Your a good guy and I appreciate your perspective.
i agree with that -
when you see zimmerman re-enact it, he does look like a totally awkward dude. no bad action, and trayvon may well have started it. I dont think murder was right either - i think manslaughter was a guaranteed outcome, but state/DA got greedy. they wanted him as a trophy.
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Does anyone know when that gun came out
no one knows what what said between those two, who instigated, who started it, etc...
Zimm could have been trying to detain him and Martin could have been trying to leave (as he had every right to do)
It's completely possible that Zimm had the gun out in a place where it could be seen and he threatened Martin and the kid thought he was fighting for his life
No one can know any of this and we all have to rely on the word of a guy who is trying keep his fat ass out of jail
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Does anyone know when that gun came out
no one knows what what said between those two, who instigated, who started it, etc...
Zimm could have been trying to detain him and Martin could have been trying to leave (as he had every right to do)
It's completely possible that Zimm had the gun out in a place where it could be seen and he threatened Martin and the kid thought he was fighting for his life
No one can know any of this and we all have to rely on the word of a guy who is trying keep his fat ass out of jail
Absolutley true, and we have no idea when the gun came out, but its irrelevant because we literally have no evidence to contradict zimmermans word.
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Does anyone know when that gun came out
no one knows what what said between those two, who instigated, who started it, etc...
Zimm could have been trying to detain him and Martin could have been trying to leave (as he had every right to do)
It's completely possible that Zimm had the gun out in a place where it could be seen and he threatened Martin and the kid thought he was fighting for his life
No one can know any of this and we all have to rely on the word of a guy who is trying keep his fat ass out of jail
This could be true but I just can't imagine a kid rushing a guy brandishing a gun. It is my personal opinion that the gun did not come out until the scuffle began. They were wrestling for a bit when a man came out to see what was wrong, he never heard trayvon say Zimmerman had a gun. This is a very important detail.
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Nor did you hear Zimmerman say he's trying to take my gun. Logic would dictate the gun was involved after the witness, john good, went back into the house.
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Absolutley true, and we have no idea when the gun came out, but its irrelevant because we literally have no evidence to contradict zimmermans word.
zimm's statement is packed with lies/inconsistencies.
And he has quite the history of lies:
The night Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin he told police that he had a clean record when in fact, he had been charged in 2005 with resisting arrest during an altercation with a state alcohol officer.
When Zimmerman was booked into the Seminole County Jail, he told the booking officer that he had never been in a pretrial-diversion program before, but he had. After his resisting arrest Zimmerman wound up in a pretrial-diversion program, a scaled-down version of probation offered to nonviolent first-time offenders.
When Zimmerman offered an apology to Trayvon's family during an April 20 bond hearing, Zimmerman said he didn't realize Trayvon was so young. But in his call to police moments before the shooting he described Trayvon, who was 17, as in his "late teens."
Florida judge was revoking George Zimmerman’s bond after learning that Zimmerman and his wife had intentionally misled the court on two key issues during his bond hearing in April.
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This could be true but I just can't imagine a kid rushing a guy brandishing a gun. It is my personal opinion that the gun did not come out until the scuffle began. They were wrestling for a bit when a man came out to see what was wrong, he never heard trayvon say Zimmerman had a gun. This is a very important detail.
99% or people would do nothing with a firearm pointed at them, especially with any distance between them.
Except on getbig, then we all use our elite operator training to disarm the tango whilst fucking his girl.
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The witness said her only heard Zimmerman screaming help me. This would also indicate if he had pulled the weapon, he didn't have control of it at this point.
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zimm's statement is packed with lies/inconsistencies.
And he has quite the history of lies:
The night Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin he told police that he had a clean record when in fact, he had been charged in 2005 with resisting arrest during an altercation with a state alcohol officer.
When Zimmerman was booked into the Seminole County Jail, he told the booking officer that he had never been in a pretrial-diversion program before, but he had. After his resisting arrest Zimmerman wound up in a pretrial-diversion program, a scaled-down version of probation offered to nonviolent first-time offenders.
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When Zimmerman offered an apology to Trayvon's family during an April 20 bond hearing, Zimmerman said he didn't realize Trayvon was so young. But in his call to police moments before the shooting he described Trayvon, who was 17, as in his "late teens."
Florida judge was revoking George Zimmerman’s bond after learning that Zimmerman and his wife had intentionally misled the court on two key issues during his bond hearing in April.
Shut up Rob, you have no evidence to contradict zimmermans word about when the pistol came out. You already look like a total moron, just shut your mouth until the trial ends and save what little dignity you have left.
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The witness said her only heard Zimmerman screaming help me. This would also indicate if he had pulled the weapon, he didn't have control of it at this point.
When you have a moment, please link me with this.
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Shut up Rob, you have no evidence to contradict zimmermans word about when the pistol came out. You already look like a total moron, just shut your mouth until the trial ends and save what little dignity you have left.
He feels really strongly about defending Martin and I have no clue why, lol
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He feels really strongly about defending Martin and I have no clue why, lol
martin sounds like a lawbreaker that belongs in prison for drug use.
however...
Zimmerman doing what he did - then citing "Stand your ground" opened up bloomberg's national anti-gun campaign - and I'm predicting once he leaves office, that'll be his full time job.
So thank you, zimmerman, for becoming the asshat poster boy for bloomy's anti-gun fundraising for the next 5 years.
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When you have a moment, please link me with this.
Its been all over the news. Someone posted a link here.
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Nor did you hear Zimmerman say he's trying to take my gun. Logic would dictate the gun was involved after the witness, john good, went back into the house.
Logic would dictate that Zimm will make up a story that best suits his purposes
do you agree or disagree with that?
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Logic would dictate that Zimm will make up a story that best suits his purposes
do you agree or disagree with that?
"Make up" is putting it strongly. Of course he would spin the story to put himself in the best possible light but I don't think he would make up a story.
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"Make up" is putting it strongly. Of course he would spin the story to put himself in the best possible light but I don't think he would make up a story.
you don't think a man who just shot an unarmed kid to death would make up a story?
are you serious?
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you don't think a man who just shot an unarmed kid to death would make up a story?
are you serious?
If he fired in self defense or felt he had to, why would he have to make up a story. You're argument is predicated on the assumption Zimmerman didn't have legitimate grounds to shoot Martin. You're actually presupposing his guilt.
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"Make up" is putting it strongly. Of course he would spin the story to put himself in the best possible light but I don't think he would make up a story.
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ZImmerman has quite a history of lying. I mean, google it. Not even in this trial. I mean, his wife was arrested for the two of them lying to the damn judge. he lied when booked about his past record. He lied when he said the 911 operator instructed him to follow trayvon. he lied about a lot of things dude...
And THIS story is the difference between getting a hero's pat on the back, and 25 years in prison - AND YOU DONT THINK HE WOULD MAKE UP A STORY?
I think this is THE MOST MOTIVATION HE HAS EVER HAD, in his entire life, for lying his ass off.
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"Make up" is putting it strongly. Of course he would spin the story to put himself in the best possible light but I don't think he would make up a story.
I have an idea. If we end up learning of 1, 2, 3 or more lies that Zimmerman made to the police in his statement after shooting Trayvon - Will you THEN doubt his story & credibility on the circumstances of the shooting?
I guess what i'm saying is - people often admit zimmerman lied about little things, but can't believe he would lie about something as huge as, oh, 25 years to life lol...
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I have an idea. If we end up learning of 1, 2, 3 or more lies that Zimmerman made to the police in his statement after shooting Trayvon - Will you THEN doubt his story & credibility on the circumstances of the shooting?
I guess what i'm saying is - people often admit zimmerman lied about little things, but can't believe he would lie about something as huge as, oh, 25 years to life lol...
Because someone lies about something or several things doesn't necessarily mean they lie about everything.
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If he fired in self defense or felt he had to, why would he have to make up a story. You're argument is predicated on the assumption Zimmerman didn't have legitimate grounds to shoot Martin. You're actually presupposing his guilt.
presupposing zimmermans guilt is what the retards whole case is built on...
these idiots arent looking at this objectively and trying to come to the right conclusion, they are forming their conclusion and looking for evidence and making assumptions to support it.
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Its been all over the news. Someone posted a link here.
Archer...
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Because someone lies about something or several things doesn't necessarily mean they lie about everything.
Do you believe that a person who lies on 3, 4, 5 or more details of a shooting - just might not be credible on his overall story?
Cause the lies are there - look them up - lots of "inconsistencies" which have been proven wrong by physical evidence. I don't consider him to be a credible man. He really hammed up what a threat trayvon was, from minute one. I guess when someone exaggerates on a bunch of little things proven wrong, I have a hard time believing him on the big things like 25 years in prison.
I guess we should ask - WHY did zimmerman lie about so many of these little things.
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presupposing zimmermans guilt is what the retards whole case is built on...
these idiots arent looking at this objectively and trying to come to the right conclusion, they are forming their conclusion and looking for evidence and making assumptions to support it.
that's beacuse zimmerman killed someone. You can't just kill people. He has to convince us why he felt his life was in danger - and his story was full of lies. I think that'll be the last thing the jury hears from the prosecution - and in my opinion, I think it'll seal a conviction.
You can't just kill people and walk because "you can't PROVE I started the fight". Particuarly when you admit you are chasing the motherfvcker, and that he's running.
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so in your mind zimmerman is guilty until proven innocent 240?
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so in your mind zimmerman is guilty until proven innocent 240?
all people are innocent until proven guilty.
tony, if you listen to zimmerman's interview with police, you'll understand why I think zimmerman isn't credible - he keeps changing his story in his interview here.
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/
Listen to it. Zimmerman admits trayvon ran away and is hiding from him.
"I wasn't following him - I was just going in the same direction he was" - LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Do you believe that a person who lies on 3, 4, 5 or more details of a shooting - just might not be credible on his overall story?
Cause the lies are there - look them up - lots of "inconsistencies" which have been proven wrong by physical evidence. I don't consider him to be a credible man. He really hammed up what a threat trayvon was, from minute one. I guess when someone exaggerates on a bunch of little things proven wrong, I have a hard time believing him on the big things like 25 years in prison.
I guess we should ask - WHY did zimmerman lie about so many of these little things.
In situations like this you have to take his testimony and compare it to other evidence such as witness testimony and forensics. This one time Zimmerman might be telling the truth but if you presuppose he is a liar you might end up putting an innocent man in jail.
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at 9:42, he is confronted with a lie he told to the police in an earlier interview. He keeps changing why he got out of the car.
at 10:54, he claims he is walking back to his car. ZImm admits he is standing at a point closer to his vehicle than where trayvon was shot. This is physically impossible, unless zimmerman dragged him 300 feet during the fight LOL.
84 seconds from the point he decides to walk back to his car.
ZIMM ADMITS HE DIDN"T GET BACK IN HIS CAR NOW.
HE ADMITS he STOPPED because he didn't have a flashlight.
He ADMITS he can't account for those 84 seconds. At 13:30, this is where the cop busts him and punches a hole in his story. THIS is the smoking gun that I think we'll hear from prosecution.
At 14:25, Zimmerman admits he was following trayvon. Then claims he wasn't following him. PLEASE listen to this - the 2 cops are shocked at his BS story.
At 15:10, cops accus him of trying to CATCH TRAYVON and that's why he took the flashlight. TRYING TO CATCH HIM.
Listen to him at 15:55... totally caught. Totally making it up on the fly. Your bullshit detectors shoudl be going off!!!!!! LOL the cops sure don't buy it.
at 16:45, Zimmerman hears a 911 call. at 17:45 he claims he is being smothered - WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HE IS SCREAMING. That's kinda physically impossible.
The cop busts him at 18:20... zimmerman screams for a solid 25 seconds straight... there is no smothering - yet zimm keeps saying 'oh yeah, he was smothering me'.
"At what point did you fear suffocation"? LMAO
At 19:20, the cop reminds zimm that NOBODY saw him being smothered. Nobody can scream while being smothered. "is he whisppering these threats to you?"
"Trayvon keeps saying all these things about killing me" - yet the recordings can't hear it lol.
I ask anyone who believes zimmerman to listen to this tape - this interview with police. He's bullshitting them.
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If he fired in self defense or felt he had to, why would he have to make up a story. You're argument is predicated on the assumption Zimmerman didn't have legitimate grounds to shoot Martin. You're actually presupposing his guilt.
again, we don't know how the event transpired. Let's assume at some point Martin was on top of Zimmerman (i.e per the testimony last week), that doesn't mean that Zimmerman didn't create the situation. He could have tried to detain Martin or could have even started the fight. He could have had the gun out and they were fighting over that. There are an abundance of reasons why Zimmerman would embellish the story and/or leave out salient details that would implicate himself or make himself not seem like an innocent victim. The jury will have to decide that along with deciding whether deadly force was justified.
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again, we don't know how the event transpired. Let's assume at some point Martin was on top of Zimmerman
that doesn't mean that Zimmerman didn't create the situation. He could have tried to detain Martin or could have even started the fight
He could have had the gun out and they were fighting over that. There are an abundance of reasons why Zimmerman would embellish the story and/or leave out salient details that would implicate himself or make himself not seem like an innocent victim. The jury will have to decide that along with deciding whether deadly force was justified.
You say we don't know the facts then you start assuming. The only thing we know is that Martin was on top and Zimmerman was screaming help me. Neither of them mentioned a gun. If the gun at been in play at that point it's likely one of the two would have mentioned it
It's highly likely Zimmerman would spin the story to place himself in the best possible light but that doesn't mean he lied about everything or that he is guilty of murder. we can never know with 100 percent certainty who started the physical altercation and that leaves room for reasonable doubt. As a juror I'd have to take this point into consideration.
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You say we don't know the facts then you start assuming. The only thing we know is that Martin was on top and Zimmerman was screaming help me. Neither of them mentioned a gun. If the gun at been in play at that point it's likely one of the two would have mentioned it
It's highly likely Zimmerman would spin the story to place himself in the best possible light but that doesn't mean he lied about everything or that he is guilty of murder. we can never know with 100 percent certainty who started the physical altercation and that leaves room for reasonable doubt. As a juror I'd have to take this point into consideration.
We only know (per the witness) that Martin was on top of Zimmerman
I gave you assumption to point of that there are a plethora of reasons why Zimmerman would alter (embellish or leave out) part of the story to save his own ass
when you say "neither mentioned the gun" I don't know what your'e talking about. Are you referring to Zimmerman and Martin
How would we know what Martin said after the altercation started? Regarding Zimmerman, as I mentioned he had many reason not to mention the gun if it makes him look bad
I find it a bit amusing that you think Zimmerman would have no reason to lie or that he just wouldn't do such a thing
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We only know (per the witness) that Martin was on top of Zimmerman
I gave you assumption to point of that there are a plethora of reasons why Zimmerman would alter (embellish or leave out) part of the story to save his own ass
when you say "neither mentioned the gun" I don't know what your'e talking about. Are you referring to Zimmerman and Martin
How would we know what Martin said after the altercation started? Regarding Zimmerman, as I mentioned he had many reason not to mention the gun if it makes him look bad
I find it a bit amusing that you think Zimmerman would have no reason to lie or that he just wouldn't do such a thing
I didn't mean he would have no reason to lie. Of course he would, if he were guilty of something but we can't presume he is. My point is that we can't assume he's lying about everything. We don't know what happened after the witness was out of ear shot. This leaves a huge gap for reasonable doubt.
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I didn't mean he would have no reason to lie. Of course he would, if he were guilty of something but we can't presume he is. My point is that we can't assume he's lying about everything. We don't know what happened after the witness was out of ear shot. This leaves a huge gap for reasonable doubt.
I can presume he would lie because he has a history of lying
he lied to the judge at his bond hearing about his assets and his passport
Why wouldn't he lie about the altercation where he ended up shooting an unarmed kid to death?
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I can presume he would lie because he has a history of lying
he lied to the judge at his bond hearing about his assets and his passport
Why wouldn't he lie about the altercation where he ended up shooting an unarmed kid to death?
Which doesn't mean he lies all the time. In a situation like this you have weigh the evidence against Zimmermans testimony. Whether someone lied in another context not particular to the case is irrelevent. I'm not defending Zimmerman as a person but I think this incident is more complicated than a lying evil Zimmerman killing a young innocent Martin.
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Which doesn't mean he lies all the time. In a situation like this you have weigh the evidence against Zimmermans testimony. Whether someone lied in another context not particular to the case is irrelevent. I'm not defending Zimmerman as a person but I think this incident is more complicated than a lying evil Zimmerman killing a young innocent Martin.
yeah, he just has a history of lying to a judge under oath in regard to the topic we are talking about
why are you so convinced this guy has no reason to lie given that he's facing a murder rap and has a history of lying in regards to it
All I've said from the beginning is that we do not know how the fight started and if Zimmermans use of deadly force was justified
All we have is the word of someone who has demonstrated that he has no problem lying to a judge under oath.
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yeah, he just has a history of lying to a judge under oath in regard to the topic we are talking about
why are you so convinced this guy has no reason to lie given that he's facing a murder rap and has a history of lying in regards to it
All I've said from the beginning is that we do not know how the fight started and if Zimmermans use of deadly force was justified
All we have is the word of someone who has demonstrated that he has no problem lying to a judge under oath.
He does have a reason to lie but I can't presume he is lying about what happened that night. If I do that I'm not giving him his rightful shot at justice. Career criminals have been brought to trial for crimes they didnt committ. If the jury had just assume they were guilty because of their previous history those men would have been convicted, some to death.
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He does have a reason to lie but I can't presume he is lying about what happened that night. If I do that I'm not giving him his rightful shot at justice. Career criminals have been brought to trial for crimes they didnt committ. If the jury had just assume they were guilty because of their previous history those men would have been convicted, some to death.
so you agree he has a reason to lie (and I assume you agree he has a history of lying) yet you don't want to presume he might be lying?
how is he not getting his rightful shot at justice
I hope he waddles his fat ass up and takes the stand but I doubt his lawyers will let him do that
So, all we can do is dissect his statement and evaluate it in light of other statements and in light of Zimmermans past history of lying
What we do know is that Zimmerman followed Martin, had an altercation (and at one point Martin was on top of him) and shot him to death
That's probably all we will ever know about this
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so you agree he has a reason to lie (and I assume you agree he has a history of lying) yet you don't want to presume he might be lying?
how is he not getting his rightful shot at justice
I hope he waddles his fat ass up and takes the stand but I doubt his lawyers will let him do that
So, all we can do is dissect his statement and evaluate it in light of other statements and in light of Zimmermans past history of lying
What we do know is that Zimmerman followed Martin, had an altercation (and at one point Martin was on top of him) and shot him to death
That's probably all we will ever know about this
Why should I presume he's lying about everything? As I said before, we have to evaluate his testimony in light of the evidence. His past history of lying, your words, should only matter if it contradicts the evidence/witness testimony. Whether he lied about his assets is as irrelevent as Martins thug twitter pics, his racists remarks and disciplinary problems at school.
By saying, at one point Martin was on top is to assume that there may have been a point where Zimmerman was on top. The evidence SO FAR does not indicate this.
And because we will never know the exact details and never will there is a lot of room for reasonable doubt. The evidence does not indicate that he intentionally set out to murder Martin and this throws out murder two. Whether he was chasing Martin or not, this does not mean he intended to do him harm.
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Why should I presume he's lying about everything? As I said before, we have to evaluate his testimony in light of the evidence. His past history of lying, your words, should only matter if it contradicts the evidence/witness testimony. Whether he lied about his assets is as irrelevent as Martins thug twitter pics, his racists remarks and disciplinary problems at school.
By saying, at one point Martin was on top is to assume that there may have been a point where Zimmerman was on top. The evidence SO FAR does not indicate this.
And because we will never know the exact details and never will there is a lot of room for reasonable doubt. The evidence does not indicate that he intentionally set out to murder Martin and this throws out murder two. Whether he was chasing Martin or not, this does not mean he intended to do him harm.
I think we've been over this ground before
the answer to your question is because he is facing a murder charge and because he has a history of lying and because he stalked and shot an unarmed kid to death
those are all reasons I think he might (or would have a HUGE motivation to) lie
you can make your own judgement
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I think we've been over this ground before
the answer to your question is because he is facing a murder charge and because he has a history of lying and because he stalked and shot an unarmed kid to death
those are all reasons I think he might (or would have a HUGE motivation to) lie
you can make your own judgement
I will based on the evidence not personal bias.
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I will based on the evidence not personal bias.
I'm basing it on the same thing
A history of lying under oath to a judge and a HUGE motivation to lie to keep his fat ass out of jail
Also, the circumstances - stalking and confronting and eventually shooting an unarmed kid to death
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I'm basing it on the same thing
A history of lying under oath to a judge and a HUGE motivation to lie to keep his fat ass out of jail
Also, the circumstances - stalking and confronting and eventually shooting an unarmed kid to death
I don't agree.
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I'm basing it on the same thing
A history of lying under oath to a judge and a HUGE motivation to lie to keep his fat ass out of jail
Also, the circumstances - stalking and confronting and eventually shooting an unarmed kid to death
Cry me a river. Kid was a punk and well on his way to a life of steady crime.
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I'm basing it on the same thing
A history of lying under oath to a judge and a HUGE motivation to lie to keep his fat ass out of jail
Also, the circumstances - stalking and confronting and eventually shooting an unarmed kid to death
One look at the words you use, stalking, confront, fat ass demonstrate a strong bias. You're plugged into a personal narrative, formed by the media and your own politics, that's clouds the way you see the issue. I agree with you on a great many thing, this is not one of them.
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One look at the words you use, stalking, confront, fat ass demonstrate a strong bias. You're plugged into a personal narrative, formed by the media and your own politics, that's clouds the way you see the issue. I agree with you on a great many thing, this is not one of them.
he is a fat ass and he did stalk Martin
those are both facts
and it is a fact that he lied to the judge
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Cry me a river. Kid was a punk and well on his way to a life of steady crime.
I wish Zimmermans lawyers would use that as a defense but it's likely they are not as dumb as you
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I'm basing it on the same thing
A history of lying under oath to a judge and a HUGE motivation to lie to keep his fat ass out of jail
Also, the circumstances - stalking and confronting and eventually shooting an unarmed kid to death
You may be right about his.motivation to lie.. but unless you can prove that he's lying the key parts of his story, its irrelevant.
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You may be right about his.motivation to lie.. but unless you can prove that he's lying the key parts of his story, its irrelevant.
in regards to the actual case every statement on this board and everywhere else is irrelevant
just explaining my rationale but I can't prove any of it
which is why I wrote this
so you agree he has a reason to lie (and I assume you agree he has a history of lying) yet you don't want to presume he might be lying?
how is he not getting his rightful shot at justice
I hope he waddles his fat ass up and takes the stand but I doubt his lawyers will let him do that
So, all we can do is dissect his statement and evaluate it in light of other statements and in light of Zimmermans past history of lying
What we do know is that Zimmerman followed Martin, had an altercation (and at one point Martin was on top of him) and shot him to death
That's probably all we will ever know about this
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haha... I realize these ghetto people are ignorant (which is our fault as white tax payers), but I didn't realize we had reached the point where they're also incapable of vocal communication.
What would be great is if they could devolve to the point of Zombie. Then we would have a legitimate reason to just shoot and kill. Like that flesh eating Zombie on the freeway. Have you noticed in Zombie movies political correctness goes out the window?
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at 9:42, he is confronted with a lie he told to the police in an earlier interview. He keeps changing why he got out of the car.
at 10:54, he claims he is walking back to his car. ZImm admits he is standing at a point closer to his vehicle than where trayvon was shot. This is physically impossible, unless zimmerman dragged him 300 feet during the fight LOL.
84 seconds from the point he decides to walk back to his car.
ZIMM ADMITS HE DIDN"T GET BACK IN HIS CAR NOW.
HE ADMITS he STOPPED because he didn't have a flashlight.
He ADMITS he can't account for those 84 seconds. At 13:30, this is where the cop busts him and punches a hole in his story. THIS is the smoking gun that I think we'll hear from prosecution.
At 14:25, Zimmerman admits he was following trayvon. Then claims he wasn't following him. PLEASE listen to this - the 2 cops are shocked at his BS story.
At 15:10, cops accus him of trying to CATCH TRAYVON and that's why he took the flashlight. TRYING TO CATCH HIM.
Listen to him at 15:55... totally caught. Totally making it up on the fly. Your bullshit detectors shoudl be going off!!!!!! LOL the cops sure don't buy it.
at 16:45, Zimmerman hears a 911 call. at 17:45 he claims he is being smothered - WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HE IS SCREAMING. That's kinda physically impossible.
The cop busts him at 18:20... zimmerman screams for a solid 25 seconds straight... there is no smothering - yet zimm keeps saying 'oh yeah, he was smothering me'.
"At what point did you fear suffocation"? LMAO
At 19:20, the cop reminds zimm that NOBODY saw him being smothered. Nobody can scream while being smothered. "is he whisppering these threats to you?"
"Trayvon keeps saying all these things about killing me" - yet the recordings can't hear it lol.
I ask anyone who believes zimmerman to listen to this tape - this interview with police. He's bullshitting them.
Why are you feeling sorry for the skittles kid? That is the part I don't get? Non-whites are overpopulating the planet. So why all the crocodile tears for something that is abundant? I saw they recently approved 7 billion aid to Southern Africa. Why?? They are treating the black population in Africa like a precious commodity and the population is expected to quadruple to 4 billion by 2100. Why on God's earth would anyone ever support this?? Their population should be a 1/1000 th of what is currently is.
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Why are you feeling sorry for the skittles kid? That is the part I don't get? Non-whites are overpopulating the planet. So why all the crocodile tears for something that is abundant? I saw they recently approved 7 billion aid to Southern Africa. Why?? They are treating the black population in Africa like a precious commodity and the population is expected to quadruple to 4 billion by 2100. Why on God's earth would anyone ever support this?? Their population should be a 1/1000 th of what is currently is.
why feel sorry for an unarmed kid who was gunned down for no reason?
If it makes you feel any better there are no doubt many thousands of non-whites dying all over the planet every day
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why feel sorry for an unarmed kid who was gunned down for no reason?
If it makes you feel any better there are no doubt many thousands of non-whites dying all over the planet every day
I don't feel sorry for Trayvon or Zimm - both are two stupid fucks. One dead - one good as dead.
Ghetto is as ghetto does.
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why feel sorry for an unarmed kid who was gunned down for no reason?
If it makes you feel any better there are no doubt many thousands of non-whites dying all over the planet every day
What if Martin attacked Zimmerman first?
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Which doesn't mean he lies all the time. In a situation like this you have weigh the evidence against Zimmermans testimony. Whether someone lied in another context not particular to the case is irrelevent. I'm not defending Zimmerman as a person but I think this incident is more complicated than a lying evil Zimmerman killing a young innocent Martin.
agreed - and today we learned why the lead investigator wanted to charge zimmerman. He was making it up as he went.
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why feel sorry for an unarmed kid who was gunned down for no reason?
If it makes you feel any better there are no doubt many thousands of non-whites dying all over the planet every day
For no reason?? He assaulted the spic and the photos are proof. I ask again - why are you feeling sorry for him??!
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What if Martin attacked Zimmerman first?
That is exactly what happened.
Tray wanted to be Mr. tough guy and toss hands first and won the initial scuffle by decking zimm but shit got real when Zimm shot back.
Zimm - 1
Tray - dead
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I don't feel sorry for Trayvon or Zimm - both are two stupid fucks. One dead - one good as dead.
Ghetto is as ghetto does.
well if anyone would know about the ghetto it's you so I'll defer to your expertise in that area
I don't have any personal sorry for Martin an no sympathy whatsoever for Zimmerman
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well if anyone would know about the ghetto it's you so I'll defer to your expertise in that area
I don't have any personal sorry for Martin an no sympathy whatsoever for Zimmerman
Correct - that is why I really don't give a shit at all. Trayvon was going to be in jail or dead by 20 regardless
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What if Martin attacked Zimmerman first?
what if Martin attacked Zimmerman because Zimmerman was trying to detain him and Martin wanted to get away (as he had every right to do)
what if Martin attacked Zimmerman because Zimmerman threatened him and Martin say the gun and decided his only chance of survival was to fight
Shit, as long as we're playing the "what if" game, what if Zimmerman was just itching to shoot someone and figured this was a good opportunity to do it and pretend like it was self defense. There are plenty of nutbags out there that just want a thrill kill. What if Zimmerman was one of those guys
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For no reason?? He assaulted the spic and the photos are proof. I ask again - why are you feeling sorry for him??!
no proof he assaulted anyone
he could have been defending himself or trying to get away from a creepy guy who was stalking him and then the creeping stalker tried to stop him and started getting his ass kicked
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That is exactly what happened.
What evidence do you have that trayvon started the fight, 333386?
the photos only show he got his ass kicked. I can swing on mike tyson first, i bet I'll look pretty bad in photos too.
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What evidence do you have that trayvon started the fight, 333386?
What evidence do you have he didn't?
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Correct - that is why I really don't give a shit at all. Trayvon was going to be in jail or dead by 20 regardless
absurd statement but I'm sure you totally believe it
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what if Martin attacked Zimmerman because Zimmerman was trying to detain him and Martin wanted to get away (as he had every right to do)
what if Martin attacked Zimmerman because Zimmerman threatened him and Martin say the gun and decided his only chance of survival was to fight
Shit, as long as we're playing the "what if" game, what if Zimmerman was just itching to shoot someone and figured this was a good opportunity to do it and pretend like it was self defense. There are plenty of nutbags out there that just want a thrill kill. What if Zimmerman was one of those guys
Is that what you believe? Would you feel the same way if Martin attack Zimmerman first?
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A lot of people filling in the gaps in this case with their own facts.
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Is that what you believe? Would you feel the same way if Martin attack Zimmerman first?
there are any number of reason why Martin could have attacked Zimmerman first and it would not justify deadly force
anyway, none of this matters. The lack of witnesses to the event means we will never know
The jury will have to decide if this is murder or not
I don't know that it is murder but I think Zimmerman is guilty of creating this situation and was not justified in using deadly force
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there are any number of reason why Martin could have attacked Zimmerman first and it would not justify deadly force
anyway, none of this matters. The lack of witnesses to the event means we will never know
The jury will have to decide if this is murder or not
I don't know that it is murder but I think Zimmerman is guilty of creating this situation and was not justified in using deadly force
Even if he was following him, that doesn't mean he intended kill or harm Martin. Would you feels the same if the races were reversed?
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nope since he had no concussion and no trauma that even needed hospitalization and if he had not stalked and confronted Martin he wouldn't have even had the few scrapes that he did. Deadly force was not justified
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so then I guess Zimmerman could have shot Martin at the first instant that Martin laid a hand on him
As 240 has pointed out many times if you want to kill someone in Florida all you need to do is grab your gun and go pick a fight and then start shooting
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so then I guess Zimmerman could have shot Martin at the first instant that Martin laid a hand on him
As 240 has pointed out many times if you want to kill someone in Florida all you need to do is grab your gun and go pick a fight and then start shooting
No - but getting your head bashed on the concrete and attacked by a 6foot thug w hoodie gold teeth definitely works.
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so then I guess Zimmerman could have shot Martin at the first instant that Martin laid a hand on him
As 240 has pointed out many times if you want to kill someone in Florida all you need to do is grab your gun and go pick a fight and then start shooting
Sounds about right.
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Kind of a grey area isn't?
If someone is intending harm are you supposed to wait until he actually severely harms you until you defend yourself?
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Kind of a grey area isn't?
If someone is intending harm are you supposed to wait until he actually severely harms you until you defend yourself?
No - they threat of imminent bodily injury that a reasonable person would feel is all that is required in most cases.
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No - they threat of imminent bodily injury that a reasonable person would feel is all that is required in most cases.
so if someone is following you and seems like they might attack you, especially if they have a weapon they you would be justified in attacking them first to defend yourself
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Kind of a grey area isn't?
If someone is intending harm are you supposed to wait until he actually severely harms you until you defend yourself?
Not in Florida.
Trayvon was justified in shooting zimmerman.
during the fight, when zimmerman started losing, he wanted to exit but trayvon was still beating him up.
At this point, Zimmerman was now legal to shoot Trayvon.
it's kinda funny how the law works... it's sure not perfect. You can shoot someone in the face without them even touching you. You just have to PROVE TO THE JURY that you feared for your life.
I think in this case, the jury will look at the law, put it in a little box, shit all over it, and convict zimmerman because his actions led to a death, bottom line. Just like OJ didn't deserve 30 years in prison for stealing his shit back from a shady MFer, juries punish without looking at the law. COULD happen here.
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Not in Florida.
Trayvon was justified in shooting zimmerman.
during the fight, when zimmerman started losing, he wanted to exit but trayvon was still beating him up.
At this point, Zimmerman was now legal to shoot Trayvon.
it's kinda funny how the law works... it's sure not perfect. You can shoot someone in the face without them even touching you. You just have to PROVE TO THE JURY that you feared for your life.
I think in this case, the jury will look at the law, put it in a little box, shit all over it, and convict zimmerman because his actions led to a death, bottom line. Just like OJ didn't deserve 30 years in prison for stealing his shit back from a shady MFer, juries punish without looking at the law. COULD happen here.
Your entire theory is predicated on Zimmerman starting the fight.
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so if someone is following you and seems like they might attack you, especially if they have a weapon they you would be justified in attacking them first to defend yourself
According to Zimmerman he was turning around and Martin jumped out at him.
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Your entire theory is predicated on Zimmerman starting the fight.
I believe trayvon was justified in using deadly force before zimmerman even threw a punch.
In Florida -
If you chase someone 2 blocks in the rain and run at them full speed, they can shoot you dead because "i thought he was going to tackle me, I have heart disease in my family, and I thought I'd die of heart attack if he struck me".
Yes, its true. SO trayvon can use his fists FIRST because zimmerman had chased him 2 blocks and made him fear for his safety. that's what people are missing.
And "according to zimmerman's story" sounds like fantasy land lol...
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I believe trayvon was justified in using deadly force before zimmerman even threw a punch.
In Florida -
If you chase someone 2 blocks in the rain and run at them full speed, they can shoot you dead because "i thought he was going to tackle me, I have heart disease in my family, and I thought I'd die of heart attack if he struck me".
Yes, its true. SO trayvon can use his fists FIRST because zimmerman had chased him 2 blocks and made him fear for his safety. that's what people are missing.
And "according to zimmerman's story" sounds like fantasy land lol...
You've created a narrative and nothing is going to change it. Your whole scenario of a chase through the rain sounds like a bad action film.
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yeah, it's just too bad that you're not on the defense team
you have such a well crafted and nuanced argument
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why feel sorry for an unarmed kid who was gunned down for no reason?
If it makes you feel any better there are no doubt many thousands of non-whites dying all over the planet every day
I think bashing someones head into concrete then mounting them and breaking their nose is a little bit more than nothing...::)
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agreed - and today we learned why the lead investigator wanted to charge zimmerman. He was making it up as he went.
I had the opportunity to listen to a good part of Serino's testimony and I don't remember hearing him say he wanted to arrest him. Was it in the beginning?
You realize, he testified that he didn't find any significant inconsistencies in his story?
Something that came across as an outright lie (to me), was when Zimm claimed he didn't know the street that he was on and his memory was bad. He's been there 3 years and works as the neighborhood watch captain and didn't know the street? Didn't seem honest at all.
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Didn't the lead detective testify that he didn't think there was enough to book Zimmerman for murder and that he was eventually pressured into doing so?
It seems to me like the defense might actually be better off sending it to the jury once the prosecution rests. Why even put on a case?
If this is all the prosecution has, this trial has been a complete sham. Forget about what any of you "think". What you think isn't evidence.
Also, forget about proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The proof presented thus far doesn't even meet the standard for civil court.
Unless something dramatic occurs, Zimmerman will walk on all charges or there will be a hung jury.
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Didn't the lead detective testify that he didn't think there was enough to book Zimmerman for murder and that he was eventually pressured into doing so?
It seems to me like the defense might actually be better off sending it to the jury once the prosecution rests. Why even put on a case?
If this is all the prosecution has, this trial has been a complete sham. Forget about what any of you "think". What you think isn't evidence.
Also, forget about proof beyond a reasonable doubt. The proof presented thus far doesn't even meet the standard for civil court.
Unless something dramatic occurs, Zimmerman will walk on all charges or there will be a hung jury.
Yeah, I don't think 240 will be able to answer my question either. In fact, I'm fairly certain at this point that nobody has made up more shit about this than 240.
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Yeah, I don't think 240 will be able to answer my question either. In fact, I'm fairly certain at this point that nobody has made up more shit about this than 240.
Yeah, I don't think 240 will be able to answer my question either. In fact, I'm fairly certain at this point that nobody has made up more shit about this than 240.
Really, I'm only repeating what i hear on the mainstream news.
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Really, I'm only repeating what i hear on the mainstream news.
hahhaha pierce morgan no doubt
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591875-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-chris-serino-lead-detective-in-case-of-trayvon-martin-killing-takes-stand
DA really fucked up
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Really, I'm only repeating what i hear on the mainstream news.
No, I agree with you there. I'm talking about your claim today of the testimony by Serino. If Serino wasn't calling Zimmerman a liar and saying he had no significant indications of such, why are you?
And how come you haven't been harping on the news reports about Serino being pressured to file charges when he didn't want to? That was brought up in his testimony as well.
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No, I agree with you there. I'm talking about your claim today of the testimony by Serino. If Serino wasn't calling Zimmerman a liar and saying he had no significant indications of such, why are you?
And how come you haven't been harping on the news reports about Serino being pressured to file charges when he didn't want to? That was brought up in his testimony as well.
Because he makes shit up as he goes along. And if he can, he just stretches existing information.
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He was "going as the same direction as zimmerman, BUT NOT FOLLOWING HIM".
Yeah, that's a lie. he lived on the other side of the park. he wasn't working as neighborhood watch, he was packing heat.
I guess we have to suspend common sense to buy his story. He lied about some things, BUT WOULD NEVER LIE ABOUT THE SHOOTING PART. Oh yeah? We think he'd lie to cover his ass on little things, but on the thing that sends him to prison for 25 years, he woudln't dare?
Also, we know he is using mean words and following - his own words. We know trayvon is running - zimm admitted it. For it to happen as zimmerman claimed, we would have to believe SIMULTANEOUSLY - zimmerman stopped being angry and following and turned, and Trayvon stopped being a skinny twink running away. At the same moment.
It's not the most likely outcome, so I don't buy it. maybe ONE of them changed course. But one went from scared running twink to attacking badass, and at that exact moment, one went from armed yard ninja to retreating pussycat? Hmmmmmmmmmmm Methinks it's MORE LIKELY that once zimmerman put his hands on the kid, this dual reversal took place.
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He was "going as the same direction as zimmerman, BUT NOT FOLLOWING HIM".
Yeah, that's a lie. he lived on the other side of the park. he wasn't working as neighborhood watch, he was packing heat.
I guess we have to suspend common sense to buy his story. He lied about some things, BUT WOULD NEVER LIE ABOUT THE SHOOTING PART. Oh yeah? We think he'd lie to cover his ass on little things, but on the thing that sends him to prison for 25 years, he woudln't dare?
Also, we know he is using mean words and following - his own words. We know trayvon is running - zimm admitted it. For it to happen as zimmerman claimed, we would have to believe SIMULTANEOUSLY - zimmerman stopped being angry and following and turned, and Trayvon stopped being a skinny twink running away. At the same moment.
It's not the most likely outcome, so I don't buy it. maybe ONE of them changed course. But one went from scared running twink to attacking badass, and at that exact moment, one went from armed yard ninja to retreating pussycat? Hmmmmmmmmmmm Methinks it's MORE LIKELY that once zimmerman put his hands on the kid, this dual reversal took place.
I rest my case.
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I rest my case.
Prosecution putting up their weak shit first. They know jurors are going to remember the week #3 stuff WAY MORE than the week #1 stuff.
forensics
medical examiner
people ID'ing trayvon's voice
the 911 call
Let's hear these, before we do that victory dance.
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Prosecution putting up their weak shit first. They know jurors are going to remember the week #3 stuff WAY MORE than the week #1 stuff.
forensics
medical examiner
people ID'ing trayvon's voice
the 911 call
Let's hear these, before we do that victory dance.
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Forensics will confirm a point blank range wound, supporting Zimmerman's story.
The prosecution called a witness today who said it is impossible to identify the voices. And the strongest witness to date with the best view of the beat down (Good) said it was Zimmerman getting beaten up and yelling for help.
They have already played the 911 call multiple times.
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Forensics will confirm a point blank range wound, supporting Zimmerman's story.
The prosecution called a witness today who said it is impossible to identify the voices. And the strongest witness to date with the best view of the beat down (Good) said it was Zimmerman getting beaten up and yelling for help.
They have already played the 911 call multiple times.
LOL. PI Dick over there is fucking delusional.
He should be banned for being a lying, race-baiting asshole of a troll if Zimmerman is acquitted.
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LMFAO 240 grasping for ever dwindling straws
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/01/3479949/prosecutors-play-george-zimmermans.html
lead detective in the case testified today that the changes in zimmermans stories were not significant and that he thought he was telling the truth.
admits the interrogation style was one to pressure zimmerman into making a mistake and to catch him. Said that zimmermans testimony aligned with evidence already corroberated by the police but that zimmerman was unaware of.
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LOL. PI Dick over there is fucking delusional.
He should be banned for being a lying, race-baiting asshole of a troll if Zimmerman is acquitted.
He does tend to just make stuff up.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/01/3479949/prosecutors-play-george-zimmermans.html
lead detective in the case testified today that the changes in zimmermans stories were not significant and that he thought he was telling the truth.
admits the interrogation style was one to pressure zimmerman into making a mistake and to catch him. Said that zimmermans testimony aligned with evidence already corroberated by the police but that zimmerman was unaware of.
And this was the person who was supposed to sink Zimmerman?
I think the prosecution will finish this week and it is really obvious they wrote a check they couldn't cash during opening statements.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/07/01/3479949/prosecutors-play-george-zimmermans.html
lead detective in the case testified today that the changes in zimmermans stories were not significant and that he thought he was telling the truth.
admits the interrogation style was one to pressure zimmerman into making a mistake and to catch him. Said that zimmermans testimony aligned with evidence already corroberated by the police but that zimmerman was unaware of.
Owned.
Brutally owned.
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Prosecution putting up their weak shit first. They know jurors are going to remember the week #3 stuff WAY MORE than the week #1 stuff.
forensics
medical examiner
people ID'ing trayvon's voice
the 911 call
Let's hear these, before we do that victory dance.
Let's think about this for a second. First impressions mean everything to a lot of people and it can be incredibly, incredibly difficult to overcome fucking one up. So you're telling me the prosecutors are purposely fucking up their case in order to drop a bombshell 3 weeks down the road?
Makes perfect sense if you're a trailer trash moron with a cracker jack law degree who spends his days watching MSDNC. ::)
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Let's think about this for a second. First impressions mean everything to a lot of people and it can be incredibly, incredibly difficult to overcome fucking one up. So you're telling me the prosecutors are purposely fucking up their case in order to drop a bombshell 3 weeks down the road?
Makes perfect sense if you're a trailer trash moron with a cracker jack law degree who spends his days watching MSDNC. ::)
Maybe "first impressions" matter most. In my opinion, giving the jurors the strongest support for your stance RIGHT BEFORE THEY EXIT is preferable. But that's just me.
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Maybe "first impressions" matter most. In my opinion, giving the jurors the strongest support for your stance RIGHT BEFORE THEY EXIT is preferable. But that's just me.
You know what's still more preferable? Thoroughly preparing your witnesses and competently presenting your case from start to finish. You know... instead of spending your closing arguments doing what you should have done before you rested your case.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591875-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-chris-serino-lead-detective-in-case-of-trayvon-martin-killing-takes-stand
DA really fucked up
Lead detectives always have to testify in a case along with witnesses and anyone else involved. Only the defendant doesn't have to....although it wouldn't be a good idea not to because there's a lot of inconsistant information that he needs to clear up.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/26/Prosecution-witness-admits-media-misled-trayvon-size
ASHtrayvon was another thug destined to a life of crime coke chooms and prison.
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You know what's still more preferable? Thoroughly preparing your witnesses and competently presenting your case from start to finish. You know... instead of spending your closing arguments doing what you should have done before you rested your case.
I dont think the bloated girlfriend could have been prepared, to be honest. I think that was strictly a "let's hope she doesn't melt too badly", knowing it was inevitable and doing everything they could not to have their fingerprints on it.
Had they coached her for 2 weeks, she still would have melted down (based upon her 80 IQ), and she probably would have stood on the stand and pointed directly at the prosecutor and said "they told me to say it, I dunno, ask them..." You know when someone is so stupid, you don't get want to touch it and be part of it.
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http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-on-zimmerman-trial-the-prosecution-appears-to-have-no-case-at-all
No case at all.
Free Zimm
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I dont think the bloated girlfriend could have been prepared, to be honest. I think that was strictly a "let's hope she doesn't melt too badly", knowing it was inevitable and doing everything they could not to have their fingerprints on it.
Had they coached her for 2 weeks, she still would have melted down (based upon her 80 IQ), and she probably would have stood on the stand and pointed directly at the prosecutor and said "they told me to say it, I dunno, ask them..." You know when someone is so stupid, you don't get want to touch it and be part of it.
I think this is the most accurate description you can get. They were hoping she would be able to spit out the few key things they needed her to say.
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I think this is the most accurate description you can get. They were hoping she would be able to spit out the few key things they needed her to say.
defense attoenry mara is going for a BIG move here... trying to get the detective to reveal what action of zimmerman could be considered criminal.
WOW - detective JUST REVEALED THE END LOCATION/SHOOTING WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE 911 CALL TIME SAYING WE DONT NEED YOU TO KEEP FOLLLWING HIM.
They just blindsided the defense. The lead cop - that everyone was slobbering yesterday - just revealed that zimmerman CONTINUED WALKING FWD TOWARD TRAVYON AFTER HANGING UP.
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this cop is destroying zimmerman right now.
Base dupon where we located trayvon, and the fact the altercation happened AFTER his conversation, my interpretation is that zimmerman continued walking TOWARD TRAVYON AFTER HANGING UP.
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defense attoenry mara is going for a BIG move here... trying to get the detective to reveal what action of zimmerman could be considered criminal.
WOW - detective JUST REVEALED THE END LOCATION/SHOOTING WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE 911 CALL TIME SAYING WE DONT NEED YOU TO KEEP FOLLLWING HIM.
They just blindsided the defense. The lead cop - that everyone was slobbering yesterday - just revealed that zimmerman CONTINUED WALKING FWD TOWARD TRAVYON AFTER HANGING UP.
How do they determine that?
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How do they determine that?
you'd have to ask the lead detective. Defense attorney is getting pissed at him. He did 3 interviews with zimmerman and knows this case better than me, you, or anyone else. yesterday he tore the prosecution a new one.
NOW, the defense is resorting to painting trayvon as a burglar. I think the all-female jury will NOT like this. Attacking the dead teenage victim when there is zero proof to connect trayvon to any crime that day.
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you'd have to ask the lead detective. Defense attorney is getting pissed at him. He did 3 interviews with zimmerman and knows this case better than me, you, or anyone else. yesterday he tore the prosecution a new one.
NOW, the defense is resorting to painting trayvon as a burglar. I think the all-female jury will NOT like this. Attacking the dead teenage victim when there is zero proof to connect trayvon to any crime that day.
Yawn.