Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums

Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: shrek on July 29, 2013, 02:25:30 PM

Title: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: shrek on July 29, 2013, 02:25:30 PM
All right fellas .... I want to try something that so.some else has thought of I've been using various gear for the last 5 years and here's where I'm at ....... started natty at 195 wearing a loose 34 pants and large shirt and now I'm at 265 wearing loose 36 and xxl shirt I'm now 31and 6'1".....19" arms (hard) I might add , and they were stuburn fucks to grow..... I found I'm highly sensitive to aromitise shit (estrogen) so what I'm wanting to do is a clean lean fat reducing cycle and look good I don't want anymore weight or size just want to sharpen up what I got.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: shrek on July 29, 2013, 04:00:58 PM
No input?????
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: a_ahmed on July 29, 2013, 04:59:05 PM
Tren e or ace, mast e or ace, var, tbol test prop
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: OTHstrong on July 29, 2013, 09:28:21 PM
250mg test E
350 masteron
350 tren a

 ;)
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on July 29, 2013, 09:32:07 PM
Your situation sounds exactly like what the Galeniko book/method is aimed at.

The Amy-Winehouse look? Do a shot of testosterone a week (because it's all you can afford because you're unemployable) and starve yourself? (again, because you can't afford food) LIVIN THE DREAM!
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on July 29, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
1cc of test Enan and 1cc tren ace mon-wed-Friday with 100mg anadrol/day.

'gaining weight' is gonna be a matter of diet.. not drug intake.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on July 29, 2013, 11:11:30 PM
yah s exactly what hes looking for.
well, first off, test is only one of the choices, the dosages are for long term, something to maintain, the guy doesnt want any more size, and well, to stay healthy with a functioning sex drive.

now to your "advice", its not sooo far off of what id say, but how lng you think its sensible to take 100mg anadrol daily ::)
and "good job" recomending 100mg anadrol daily to a guy who gets estrogen sides easy, thats really good advice, telling people to use the strongest aromatising stuff out there.

shrek, just shoot 1 or 2 test ampoulas weekly and diet hard, the estrogen wont even be an issue.
but yeah 1cc test e and coupkle shot tren a weekly will do.
if you dont mind the tren sides.

eh... this is why you should read a few textbooks (and understand them) before you go giving advice, let alone writing a book.

drol is a dht derivative, genius. do primo, masteron, halo, or winstrol aromatize? No? then why the fuck would oxymetholone?
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on July 29, 2013, 11:17:14 PM
yah s exactly what hes looking for.
well, first off, test is only one of the choices, the dosages are for long term, something to maintain, the guy doesnt want any more size, and well, to stay healthy with a functioning sex drive.

now to your "advice", its not sooo far off of what id say, but how lng you think its sensible to take 100mg anadrol daily ::)
and "good job" recomending 100mg anadrol daily to a guy who gets estrogen sides easy, thats really good advice, telling people to use the strongest aromatising stuff out there.



shrek, just shoot 1 or 2 test ampoulas weekly and diet hard, the estrogen wont even be an issue.
but yeah 1cc test e and coupkle shot tren a weekly will do.
if you dont mind the tren sides.

how long is it 'sensible'? Until it stops doing what you want it to do. 4 weeks... 8 weeks... 12 weeks. or until your liver enzymes ast/alt/bile are too bad.

we're all self-diagnosing and self-prescribing based on what other's are doing or have done.

the dude is 265 now, and if he dosed anadrol according to the PDR or the manufacture of the drug, he'd be using between 120-600mg per day. (2-5mg per kg) for a minimum of 6 months.

again with the myths, 'so&so says...' , and bro-science...
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: shrek on July 30, 2013, 04:53:39 AM
250mg test E
350 masteron
350 tren a

 ;)
I haven't  tried that low of test or Masteron before , thought rule of thumb is 2 parts test to 1 part tren
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: OTHstrong on July 30, 2013, 08:17:07 AM
I haven't  tried that low of test or Masteron before , thought rule of thumb is 2 parts test to 1 part tren
Yes that is my approach as well, 2 parts test to 1 part tren but I was going with what your objectives are, besides there are no rules, you do what you have to.

You said you do not want estrogen convertion so keep the test to a minimum, hence one shot a week, then the masteron will dry you out a bit and work as AI in this case since your test is so low.

As far as the mg is concerned, by all means double it, I gave you the minimum and mild approach as I did not know what type of user or what mg you were comfortable with.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: shrek on July 30, 2013, 09:14:19 AM
Well I've blasted and cruised for a while one of the heavy blast was
 500 EQ 500 TREN A 1000 TEST E for 12 weeks another heavy blast was
750 SUST 400 TREN A 350 WINNY ORAL AND 100 MCG T3 for 12 weeks and I usually cruise at 375 test and add tren a at 200 a week
So what I have
25mg PROV
250mg testoviron
10mg dbol
2.5 letro  
Cytomel 25mcg
See what we can come up with this add/take
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: Overload on July 30, 2013, 11:57:33 AM
250mg test E
350 masteron
350 tren a

 ;)

I concur.

I've had great results using a low dose of Test lately.  I've always been a high Test guy, but the past 2 years i've been using replacement doses with great results.


8)
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on July 30, 2013, 10:17:17 PM
I maintained decent bodyweight for quite a few years on hrt doses and nothing else (legit hrt). but my bf was higher.. up around 14% probably at 230-240.

higher test doses, in my experience, equal greater fullness, drive, and strength.

I'd prefer to run 1g of test over 250mg test and 750 'other shit', or even 500 test and 500 'other shit'.

if you're worried about sides, take a couple mg's of adex per week or 12.5 aromasin & 5mg nolva per day, maybe .25mg dutasteride if you're worried about hair.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: shrek on July 31, 2013, 04:43:27 AM
I'm not a newbie , what I was wanting was just something new and interesting I know what this and that does and what to take to prevent this or that I want to think outside the box for a combination of gear that will be fun
Done plenty of
TREN A
TREN E
EQ
SUST
CYP
TEST E
A50
DBOLs
WINNY
VAR
CLEN
T3
DECA
NPP which hurt
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on July 31, 2013, 11:17:47 AM
metribolone .5mg-1mg/day ;)
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: a_ahmed on July 31, 2013, 02:13:16 PM
metribolone .5mg-1mg/day ;)

Brilliant advice as usual.

A good daily dose of liver jaundice. Methyltrienolone was never meant to be consummed by humans. It was meant for lab testing. Stick to regular tren-a/e. So many guys have ended up in hospital from running this crap. It's the one thing I'll never touch.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: a_ahmed on July 31, 2013, 02:15:30 PM
If you are already lean masteron is amazing as it will make you feel like you are running more aas than you actualy are. For me it made me stronger and more aggressive, good mood and stronger libido. It makes the muscles really look separated and dry if you are lean, if you aren't well you won't get the visual effect. It also makes my muscles feel like steel even when relaxed which is wicked. Since it makes you stronger, with reduced calories it is really beneficial in a cut imo. I love Masteron.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: Red29 on August 01, 2013, 07:05:18 AM
half cc test e
350-500mg tren ace
350mg masteron

until condition achieved

then add 100mg ed of anavar to the cycle

youll look really good. maybe try some Ephedrine/caffiene stack too
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: latiuss on August 01, 2013, 08:44:23 AM
Test p
Tren a
Mast p
T3
Clen
Armidex
 Simple
Mite want prami or caber on deck just incase.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on August 01, 2013, 11:13:45 AM
Brilliant advice as usual.

A good daily dose of liver jaundice. Methyltrienolone was never meant to be consummed by humans. It was meant for lab testing. Stick to regular tren-a/e. So many guys have ended up in hospital from running this crap. It's the one thing I'll never touch.

name 3.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: a_ahmed on August 01, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
It's all over, guys who admit they were stupid fucks.

Year and a half ago on prof muscle 2 guys ran it at 3mg ed for 4 weeks and ended up hospitalized with liver jaundice barely surviving and barely getting their ass out of hospital.

I would post if I could the personal narrative of one dude who ran 100mg of anavar for six months straight and ended up in the same predicament.

You're trying to come off as HARDCORE but you're a fucking moron advocating moron advice. I stand by what I said. Your 'advices' on the internet will have some young idiot ignorant kids lurking around trying to find the hardest compounds to run and see a green light go from someone 'hardcore' like yourself and harm themselves in the process.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on August 01, 2013, 01:28:22 PM
It's all over, guys who admit they were stupid fucks.

Year and a half ago on prof muscle 2 guys ran it at 3mg ed for 4 weeks and ended up hospitalized with liver jaundice barely surviving and barely getting their ass out of hospital.

I would post if I could the personal narrative of one dude who ran 100mg of anavar for six months straight and ended up in the same predicament.

You're trying to come off as HARDCORE but you're a fucking moron advocating moron advice. I stand by what I said. Your 'advices' on the internet will have some young idiot ignorant kids lurking around trying to find the hardest compounds to run and see a green light go from someone 'hardcore' like yourself and harm themselves in the process.

3mg is a good bit different from 1/2mg-1mg.

and i'm not 'trying' to come off as anything, kid. i speak from experience. my own and people i know PERSONALLY... not faceless names on the internet. you're just some ignorant kid who if it weren't for the internet, would probably spend the next 5 years reading about steroids in Musclemag, rather than buying and using them yourself.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: a_ahmed on August 01, 2013, 02:41:10 PM
And you're an old fart wrinkly grandpa fucking douchebag. "Kid". A pharmacist trying to fish for customers on the internet to sell drugs.

Your 'hardcore' advices are for morons. Hope that helps. Trying to be hardcore and condescending as you are calling me kid and 'inexperienced' and whatever else shows what you are trying to 'come off as'

I'm not the only one who's realized your advices are bullshit and dangerous to post on the internet. Yes you are on the internet, giving advices on the internet, and you're attacking others responding to you not accepting your bullshit on the internet as 'only knowing what's from the internet'.

I never in my life bought a muscle mag fyi and everything I know I learned from trying myself.

Don't like for being criticized for being a douchebag, too bad.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: a_ahmed on August 01, 2013, 03:19:13 PM
He also said 100mg anavar is a female steroid and dosing that does nothing ::)

I already created a thread asking for this douche to be banned if not from the site at least from this section advocating his bs advices
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: shrek on August 01, 2013, 03:27:07 PM
He has high jacked this thread with his bull shit , he just joined July 4th and does nothing but run his mouth
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on August 01, 2013, 08:36:23 PM
He has high jacked this thread with his bull shit , he just joined July 4th and does nothing but run his mouth

actually, I post in threads and guys like yourself and your boyfriends (all with mentality of 12 year old girls) attack me, so I respond to your punk asses. Like I've always said, anytime you guys wanna meet in person, all you gotta do is PM me some contact info (feel free to use a TextFree number for all I care if you're scared something will happen to you) and you can run your little mouth to my face.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on August 01, 2013, 08:41:06 PM
yes exactly.

ova nepismena budala-stoka mnogo jede govna.

typical steroid dealer behaviour, advocating high doses etc, or to sound hardcore.

very stupid guy.

he said anadrol doesnt convert to estrogen somewhere, what an absolute clown.

yes i agree, straight up very dangerous "advice".

for fuck sake, pros wont need advoice from getbig, heres mostly gymrats and first timers, all they should use is mild dosages all year, no blast cruise, just run something 200-750mgs of drugs of choice and thats that.

if its just steroids, sides wont be too bad.

eat clean dont use fatburners and all will be good.

theres soem real jackasses here advocating dosages higher than some "small" pros would take.

why in the fuck! would a steroid newcomer take 500mg test for first time when hed have solid gains on even half the amount of primo.

i cant grasp this.

every soingle steroid newcomer i seen who started on moderate to high doses(yes 1 gramm week is high, in the real world,that is a high dosage for a guy with not so much muscle)havent profited from it as one would expect them.

the best results were on those who gradualy slowly worked their way up.

esfitness is a semen guzzling troll, ron should do away with him.he can spout of his nonsense at the "other" site

anadrol converts to estrogen? really? and you wrote a fucking BOOK about this shit?

and any man using 250mg of primo will be wasteing his money... now, if all I was doing was trying to hustle customers, tell me genius, wouldn't I be advocating using expensive shit like Primo and Anavar????? you dumb guy.

Skinny ass amy winehouse looking punk kid who looks like he sucks dicks through a gloryhole in a west Hollywood burgerking bathroom for Meth money on here giving out steroid and dieting advice... what a joke.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on August 01, 2013, 08:43:01 PM
He also said 100mg anavar is a female steroid and dosing that does nothing ::)

I already created a thread asking for this douche to be banned if not from the site at least from this section advocating his bs advices

stick to something you know about, like islam, or making rugs, or grooming a camel, and leave the steroid talk to those of us who've 'been there, done that' and aren't just talking out of our asses.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on August 01, 2013, 08:44:16 PM
you know, i do believe him he kinda uses those dosages(he still loks like garbage even for a natty), but that doesnt mean its worthwile advice.

he somehow thinks ppl here wanna turn pro or something, but even for that, his advice is toilet worthy.

i dont know what this daydreamer thinks, but i know couple pros, and even they would laugh at his stuff

you know a 'couple pros', eh?

really, who?
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: Borracho on August 02, 2013, 07:17:01 AM
eh... this is why you should read a few textbooks (and understand them) before you go giving advice, let alone writing a book.

drol is a dht derivative, genius. do primo, masteron, halo, or winstrol aromatize? No? then why the fuck would oxymetholone?

Op says he is prone to estrogenic sides and you tell him to use that drug. lol Since you're quite the expert why don't you inform us all on why it exerts estrogenic qualities without the need/possibility to go through the aromatization process then...

Oh and you say 100mg of anavar is for girls...go tell that to this guy who uses less than that.

(http://s12.postimg.org/o9bo5emh9/image_none.jpg)
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on August 02, 2013, 11:28:34 AM
Op says he is prone to estrogenic sides and you tell him to use that drug. lol Since you're quite the expert why don't you inform us all on why it exerts estrogenic qualities without the need/possibility to go through the aromatization process then...

Oh and you say 100mg of anavar is for girls...go tell that to this guy who uses less than that.

(http://s12.postimg.org/o9bo5emh9/image_none.jpg)

are you just making that up? estrogenic qualities? what the hell are 'estrogenic qualities'? that's like 'anabolic pharmacology'! it's not a 'real thing'.

unless your anadrol is actually dbol, you should've get "estrogenic qualities" from oxymetholone.

It does NOT AROMATIZE!
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: OTHstrong on August 02, 2013, 12:02:00 PM
are you just making that up? estrogenic qualities? what the hell are 'estrogenic qualities'? that's like 'anabolic pharmacology'! it's not a 'real thing'.

unless your anadrol is actually dbol, you should've get "estrogenic qualities" from oxymetholone.

It does NOT AROMATIZE!
OMG you sound so naive, like tbomz the Google king, wtf difference does it make if it aromatizes or not. Aromatizing is not the only way to properties causes by estrogenic side effects. Just cause the side effects are not mediated by estrogenic metabolites, does not mean it does not have any estrogenic effects Einstein.

Anadrol causes gynocomastia, in fact it is one of the biggest causer of gynocomastia, is gynocamastia an estrogenic effect ? Of course it is, it is female breast tissue, yet anadrol does not aromatizes. Also does it cause water retention? yes it does, yet it does not aromize though.

Your argument is so stupid, in fact your own argument makes your advise of taking anadrol even more stupid because it does not aromatize therefore an AI will not stop the side effects of gynocamastia or the effects of water retention, so hell you were better off giving advise of a compound that does aromatize, that way he at least has something to combat it like AI, with anadrol there is nothing to combat gyno or water retention.

wow.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on August 02, 2013, 12:08:48 PM
OMG you sound so naive, like tbomz the Google king, wtf difference does it make if it aromatizes or not. Aromatizing is not the only way to properties causes by estrogenic side effects. Just cause the side effects are not mediated by estrogenic metabolites, does not mean it does not have any estrogenic effects Einstein.

Anadrol causes gynocomastia, in fact it is one of the biggest causer of gynocomastia, is gynocamastia an estrogenic effect ? Of course it is, it is female breast tissue, yet anadrol does not aromatizes. Also does it cause water retention? yes it does, yet it does not aromize though.

Your argument is so stupid, in fact your own argument makes your advise of taking anadrol even more stupid because it does not aromatize therefore an AI will not stop the side effects of gynocamastia or the effects of water retention, so hell you were better off giving advise of a compound that does aromatize, that way he at least has something to combat it like AI, with anadrol there is nothing to combat gyno or water retention.

wow.

I've never gotten gyno from drol.. nor has it caused me to retain water. at least not sub-q water. and neither has ANYBODY I know had those effects. I believe it's a myth. The effects on myself, my fellow users (who I know personally, not on the internet) and clients is a harder, fuller, appearance without holding water like dbol or causing gyno/itching/sensitive nipples.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: Borracho on August 02, 2013, 12:31:07 PM
I've never gotten gyno from drol.. nor has it caused me to retain water. at least not sub-q water. and neither has ANYBODY I know had those effects. I believe it's a myth. The effects on myself, my fellow users (who I know personally, not on the internet) and clients is a harder, fuller, appearance without holding water like dbol or causing gyno/itching/sensitive nipples.


eh... this is why you should read a few textbooks (and understand them) before you go giving advice, let alone writing a book.

drol is a dht derivative, genius. do primo, masteron, halo, or winstrol aromatize? No? then why the fuck would oxymetholone?

OOOOOKAY BRO!!!

What's the point of reading all these textbooks if they're just full of myths ?

We need different opinions on this board but I doubt anyone will take you seriously after comments like this.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: ESFitness on August 02, 2013, 01:09:39 PM
it is my opinion that drol produces a full and hard physique in a bodybuilder. i.e. 'full and hard' does not mean puffy and watery from water retention.

i'll just pull a quote from Anthony Roberts...

 "it is structurally impossible for Anadrol to aromatize. It's derived from DHT, and DHT can not convert to estrogen. The 2-hydroxymethelyne group (if I remember correctly) must be able to directly make the molecule stimulate the estrogen receptor, perhaps, or maybe it's metabolized into a substrate that has that property."

--

if you're afraid of 'estrogenic side effects', just add 10mg nolva. no gyno, problem solved.

 
 
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: shrek on August 02, 2013, 02:15:57 PM
SOMEONE just please delete this thread it has gone to shit , if anyone wants to share info with me PM me but this flaming shit is childish
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: OTHstrong on August 02, 2013, 06:45:19 PM
I've never gotten gyno from drol.. nor has it caused me to retain water. at least not sub-q water. and neither has ANYBODY I know had those effects. I believe it's a myth. The effects on myself, my fellow users (who I know personally, not on the internet) and clients is a harder, fuller, appearance without holding water like dbol or causing gyno/itching/sensitive nipples.
I have prepped many for contests, many and it does cause gyno and it does cause water retention on most, on everyone 100%, no there is no absolutes for side on any compounds, but most, which means 6 out 10 will get gyno and 9 out 10 will get water retention from anadrol.

So if the OP is prone to these type of side then it does not matter if the gear aromatizes or not, he is prone to those sides period, so don`t recommend anything that is associated with those side.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: OTHstrong on August 02, 2013, 06:48:15 PM
SOMEONE just please delete this thread it has gone to shit , if anyone wants to share info with me PM me but this flaming shit is childish
There is very little flaming in comparison to getbig standards. Mocking? yes, of course, debating? yes but this is were the info flows hard when people debate so relax a bit, it may end up being a very good thread.  ;)
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: shrek on August 02, 2013, 07:40:20 PM
There is very little flaming in comparison to getbig standards. Mocking? yes, of course, debating? yes but this is were the info flows hard when people debate so relax a bit, it may end up being a very good thread.  ;)
It has gone none friendly , I have been on here for a lil bit
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: OTHstrong on August 02, 2013, 07:54:05 PM
It has gone none friendly , I have been on here for a lil bit
ok maybe you are right, the whole thread was misleading by your original post, no offence bro, but I thought we were dealing with someone knew on the scene and brother you are a dam veteran  ;)  I read your post and you know your shit bro and you have experience, very good postor for this board, ok enough kissing your ass  ;D
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: Borracho on August 03, 2013, 07:25:39 AM
It has gone none friendly , I have been on here for a lil bit

x2

Lets keep this a friendly zone bros....we need a place to retreat from the insane asylum known as the g&o board.
Title: Re: FRIENDLY HELP (design a cycle)
Post by: youandme on August 08, 2013, 04:03:20 PM
Fact is some people get gyno by just looking at gear. I've seen guys run a simple sustonon and deca cycle with anti estrogens and have lactating nipples.