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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: dj181 on August 26, 2013, 11:32:13 AM
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i've decided to get the dbol instead of the var and from my research on the net it seems the best bet is running anywhere from 20-25 mg per day for a beginner such as myself, so my plan is to start @ 20 mg and then maybe take it up to 25 mg if need be
i'm ripped right now 6% and i wanna stay there while gaining only lean gains so it won't be a true bulk, so my question is how much can i expect to gain in 6 weeks from dbol?
and on a side note, is it true that dbol causes feeling of well-being and even slight euphoria? superdrol was a real bitch in the sense that it made me sleepy and lethargic as fuck if i went over 10 mg ed
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not much.
you may put on 15lbs if youre lucky... but you'll lose at least 10 when you come off.
you only get one "first cycle".. take advantage. at least 500 test/wk for at least 12 weeks.
if I could do it over again i'd run 300mg test and 200-300mg npp mwf for 10 weeks with 50mg dbol from weeks 2-6, and finnish up with 300mg test and 100mg tren mwf for 5 weeks, along with 12.5mg aromasin/day.... wait a week or so after the last test shot and do a 5000iu shot of hcg, and another 5 days after that with 5 days of 50mg clomid/day... and stay off for a couple months or so, and do it again with the same doses.
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and yes, dbol makes you feel great.
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Yes it's my favorite oral i prefer 1000 Times over A50
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supposedly guys like Scott and Horoworth only took dbol back in the 60s with no injections and they looked pretty damn good to me
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I know a ton of guys who did Dbol only for their first cycle. It's not the best, but whatever, at least you are thinking in the right direction.
I'd start off with 30mg per day and keep your diet tight. You might gain some water, but you will look swole.
It gives you a mild boost mentally, just like most AAS do and you will feel good overall.
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Also, 6 weeks isn't going to do much, i'd much rather you run it for 12 weeks minimum.
It's not going to hurt you at that dosage.
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Also, 6 weeks isn't going to do much, i'd much rather you run it for 12 weeks minimum.
It's not going to hurt you at that dosage.
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thanks man, so we'll do 8)
and should i split it up in three 10 mg doses per day or maybe take 20 mg 2 hours before training (on training days) and the other 10 mg at night?
i read some stuff that said that it's good to pulse it pre-workout on training days, but other sources said to spread it out throughout the day dosing it 3 times daily
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thanks man, so we'll do 8)
and should i split it up in three 10 mg doses per day or maybe take 20 mg 2 hours before training (on training days) and the other 10 mg at night?
i read some stuff that said that it's good to pulse it pre-workout on training days, but other sources said to spread it out throughout the day dosing it 3 times daily
I agree with overload as in run a lil stronger dose , get some letro to hold off the estrogen and do 30-50 a day only if you don't drink use the high dose but split it in 2 , once right when you wake up and about 90 mins before you hit the gym if you want you can go heavy dose 6 weeks with2 weeks of and then another 6 weeks
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thanks man, so we'll do 8)
and should i split it up in three 10 mg doses per day or maybe take 20 mg 2 hours before training (on training days) and the other 10 mg at night?
i read some stuff that said that it's good to pulse it pre-workout on training days, but other sources said to spread it out throughout the day dosing it 3 times daily
2-3 times a day would be best since it is the only thing you are taking IMO.
In the morning, before training and before bed.
Doesn't matter too much to be honest. Some people like the little boost it gives before a workout, so always take it 1 hour before you lift.
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I agree with overload as in run a lil stronger dose , get some letro to hold off the estrogen and do 30-50 a day only if you don't drink use the high dose but split it in 2 , once right when you wake up and about 90 mins before you hit the gym if you want you can go heavy dose 6 weeks with2 weeks of and then another 6 weeks
uuufff.... letro with a dbol only cycle is gonna turn him into a Eunuch!
I was running 3.5g of enan and 1.75mg/day and my ex had to ask me what was wrong... since we hadn't had sex in 6 weeks! lol... I hadn't realized.
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i don't plan on cycling off
after the dbol i'll go right back to superdrol @ 10 mg a day or maybe try var, still not sure yet
Horoworth claimed to be on only 20 mg of dbol a day (test wasn't around back then, i believe) and nothing else at this time, so is he speaking bullshit then?
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Tons of guys start with oral only cycles. Adding 500mg test would be much better but I know that not everyone is comfortable with needles! Don't think you'll see much from 6 weeks. As stated above 12 would be better. Your gains will depend on your current size/condition and diet! I never saw much bloat from dbol but a lot of guys do. Using an AI like aromasin should keep it in check. And if you're prone to gyno like me it's always good to have on hand!!
Best gains I ever saw from Orals was a combination of drol and dbol!! I loved it!! Think I was running 45mg dbol and 50mg drol. Good luck with your run! Keep us posted!
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Tons of guys start with oral only cycles. Adding 500mg test would be much better but I know that not everyone is comfortable with needles! Don't think you'll see much from 6 weeks. As stated above 12 would be better. Your gains will depend on your current size/condition and diet! I never saw much bloat from dbol but a lot of guys do. Using an AI like aromasin should keep it in check. And if you're prone to gyno like me it's always good to have on hand!!
Best gains I ever saw from Orals was a combination of drol and dbol!! I loved it!! Think I was running 45mg dbol and 50mg drol. Good luck with your run! Keep us posted!
thanks man :) and yeah, i've decided to run it for 12 weeks and maybe even go for 16
can't say i'll go with 30 mg though, i'll probably start out @ 20 mg and then maybe go up to 30 mg after 4 weeks or so, still not sure yet...
this is basically my starting point, but my pecs are just a tad bit thicker now, but i'm still at the same leaness (yeah, i know that i'm skin and bones, but hopefully the dbol will change that)
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thanks man :) and yeah, i've decided to run it for 12 weeks and maybe even go for 16
can't say i'll go with 30 mg though, i'll probably start out @ 20 mg and then maybe go up to 30 mg after 4 weeks or so, still not sure yet...
this is basically my starting point, but my pecs are just a tad bit thicker now, but i'm still at the same leaness (yeah, i know that i'm skin and bones, but hopefully the dbol will change that)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=476838.0;attach=519906;image)
You look great bro! Excellent starting point!! I think that you will quickly want to up the dose! It's addicting! lol. You shouldn't see much bloat at all with your condition! You're gonna blow up!!
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You look great bro! Excellent starting point!! I think that you will quickly want to up the dose! It's addicting! lol. You shouldn't see much bloat at all with your condition! You're gonna blow up!!
thanks man :)
and i sure as hell hope so, as far as the blowing up goes ;D
i'll admit that i'm damn tempted to go on the "see food" diet ie. eat all the food that you see, but i'll control myself and not go overboard on the cals
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thanks man :)
and i sure as hell hope so, as far as the blowing up goes ;D
i'll admit that i'm damn tempted to go on the "see food" diet ie. eat all the food that you see, but i'll control myself and not go overboard on the cals
Throw in some cardio and go for it!!
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if you're doing only dbol, i'm gonna be the one to say "fuck 30mg... use 100mg"
if you use only 20mg, will you regret it? probably
if you use 100mg, will you regret it? probably not.
it's like the guy in the used E-Class who pulls up next to an S-Class. The E-Class driver will usually think "damn, I should've got that one", while the S-CLass driver will never say "damn, I wish I would've got an E-Class". Esp since the damage is the same. In the case of the cars, the damage is the Cost/$$$.. in the case of the Dbol dose, the damage is the liver-enzymes/side effects.
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i've decided to go with the 30 mg per day gig and i'll stay on 12-16 weeks
i'll get the gear tonite and start it up right then ;D
also i'll up the cals a bit and keep an eye on my ab skinfold and once it gets up to 8 mm then i'll cut the cals back a bit (right now my ab skinfold is @ 4mm)
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and for christ sake! do train legs, train them hard.
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how in the fuck did you know this ??? ??? ???
seriously, i was thinking about bombing pecs with dips, benches and pec deck, and nailing lats with rows, wide grip chins and regular chins and hitting bis with barbell curls and db hammer curls and pounding tris with skulls and close-grip benches and just hitting legs with some stationary bike intervals, ugayjiss-style lol
but seriously, i hate training legs with a fucking passion and i tell myself that if i train them too much or too hard that i'll end up developing wide pear-body hips lol
yeah, yeah, i know that you can't spread your hips out, but i still got a fucking fear about it, honest to God
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Ha , most people don't train legs , unless you are seriously into aesthetics , your body will grow twice as fast while on gear so just imagine what the legs look like untrained
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:o :o :o
how in the fuck did you know this ??? ??? ???
seriously, i was thinking about bombing pecs with dips, benches and pec deck, and nailing lats with rows, wide grip chins and regular chins and hitting bis with barbell curls and db hammer curls and pounding tris with skulls and close-grip benches and just hitting legs with some stationary bike intervals, ugayjiss-style lol
but seriously, i hate training legs with a fucking passion and i tell myself that if i train them too much or too hard that i'll end up developing wide pear-body hips lol
yeah, yeah, i know that you can't spread your hips out, but i still got a fucking fear about it, honest to God
un-masculine post reported.
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allright, i got a serious question as far as training while on roids is concerned
i've always been a HIT guy and firmly believed in the HIT mantra of bigger training loads=bigger muscles
so my question is... can i make my wheels bigger without lifting heavier and heavier training loads while on dbol?
say just do squats with a buck 35 and stay there and then the wheels will come?
also, can these sprint intervals on the stationary bike build up my wheels to a decent degree? right now i'm doing 6 full out sprints @ 30 sec work interval with a 60 sec rest interval, but i've damn near maxed it out as top level is 25 and i'm doing it at level 24
i could take these sprint intervals up to a 60 sec work interval with a 2 min rest interval but that's about limit i think, coz it's not possible to sprint all-out much longer than 60 seconds
if worse comes to worse then i'll just hire a trainer to push me on legs i guess
just hope i don't end up like this, and i'm talking bout the one on the right lol
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do not cycle drol and dbol alternatively
that's a lot of harsh shit to process with out coming off
if you insist on doing it do not drink alcohol and drink as much water through the day as you can
if you can get real anavar alternate between that and dbol/drol if you insist on staying on
I would do 12 weeks anavar at 100mg a day come of for four weeks blast dbol for 8 weeks at 50mg a day have four weeks off then back on the var
you could do this fairly long term without too many issues
but the harsh reality is if you want to be big long term you need to get over your fear of needles
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I would at least train legs with weights for 8-12 sets once a week. It doesn't have to be super heavy, just intense enough to make the muscles work. There are plenty of guys who have decent legs who never squat more than 225. On AAS you really don't need to kill yourself if you don't want big legs. Your legs will grow even from moderate weight squats and leg press. Do what makes you happy, but at least train your legs enough for them to grow. You don't need to kill yourself, it's mainly genetics anyway. I know guys who don't even train legs who have decent leg mass, but they are on a good amount of AAS.
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I would at least train legs with weights for 8-12 sets once a week. It doesn't have to be super heavy, just intense enough to make the muscles work. There are plenty of guys who have decent legs who never squat more than 225. On AAS you really don't need to kill yourself if you don't want big legs. Your legs will grow even from moderate weight squats and leg press. Do what makes you happy, but at least train your legs enough for them to grow. You don't need to kill yourself, it's mainly genetics anyway. I know guys who don't even train legs who have decent leg mass, but they are on a good amount of AAS.
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thanks man, and that's basically the answer that i was hoping for 8)
but i have just one more question, will these sprints on the stationary bike build up my wheels? (that's if you have any experience with them)
i basically do them to be fit and for some fat burning effects, but if they can also add some wheel size to me then that's even better
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thanks man, and that's basically the answer that i was hoping for 8)
but i have just one more question, will these sprints on the stationary bike build up my wheels? (that's if you have any experience with them)
i basically do them to be fit and for some fat burning effects, but if they can also add some wheel size to me then that's even better
Actually, heavy sprints on a bike can build your legs pretty well. Any sort of sprints either running or biking has the capacity to build "some" muscle. I would prefer you do some actual weight lifting, but you will see some muscle from resistance sprints on a stationary bike. If you think about the position on the bike, you are pressing and activating the quads, hams and calves more than you think. I have gotten my legs very sore after doing sprints on the bike.
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I can't believe this shit.
Fucking get over fear of pins gawdamnit.
Run 250 mg test e or c with your wonderful dbol.
Train fucking legs you pussy.
Your start point is great. Man up bro.
Sorry getbig bros, I'm running low dose tren w my test and this oral only shit is killing.
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Yeah, meltdown lol
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you gotta be kidding about soccer players wheels dude, some of those guys got damn big legs
another reason i don't wanna train legs so hard is that i don't want them draining my energy levels for pec, delt, lat and arm training, truth be told (and in fact today is lat, pec and tri day ;D) but i can throw in some squats on bi and delt day
and come on man, i know i'm not mr. handsome, but this fella here ain't that ugly lol
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=488625.0;attach=531435;image)
and on a side note, maybe that superdrol i had wasn't legit or it was damn weak, coz i didn't gain much on it or feel so much from it (it's supposed to be super strong and potent, right?) but this dbol is already kicking in after 2 days :o
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and it's true that i am a pussy as far as needles are concerned, but if i ever did get over it and inject, i wouldn't inject test, i'd either inject primo or equipose
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With hormones in your system you really don't need to train heavy. Just need to stimulate the muscles and feed them! Not many guys love leg day! But we do it because it's necessary! And I also believe that your upper body will grow faster if you work legs. Your body is going to try to stay balanced! Not saying your upper body won't grow. But I think you will get much better results if you include your legs!
As for not wanting to use test... Why? Do you not like being able to get a hard on? Do you enjoy spending more money for less results? Test is the cheapest and best mass builder there is! Not to mention the safest! Some guys will tell you it's gonna make you bloated. But with your condition that's not gonna be a problem! Get a close friend to do your shots for you! Ive done injections for many friends that were scared to do it themself. Once you get used to the feeling, you won't have a problem! And your liver and kidneys will thank you!
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As for not wanting to use test... Why?
it's gonna make you bloated.
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so i could do GVT on leg press then? 10 sets of 10 with 60% of max weight and 60-90 seconds btw sets ain't so bad
also, my form on squats is horrid coz i can't stay upright and i end up doing modified good mornings ie. gayne norton style lol
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so i could do GVT on leg press then? 10 sets of 10 with 60% of max weight and 60-90 seconds btw sets ain't so bad
also, my form on squats is horrid coz i can't stay upright and i end up doing modified good mornings ie. gayne norton style lol
I tried Oral Turinabol for my first cycle because I wanted to see how great this new product was. At that time Tbol was making a comeback on the scene and I thought it would be a good route for a first cycle since it produced all muscle mass with no water going by the profile but I did get some water retention not much but it did cause some water retention plus I had heard from many top NPC guys and old pros that they started their first cycle with just dbol so I gave it a shot and I jumped up 11 pretty lean pounds in 3 weeks. It would of taken me forever to gain 11 pounds without the turinabol and not that much of it was water weight. It was the original British dragon Turinabol and back then you could get pills tested by srcs for 100 $ and they were a little over 9mg per tab. I just ran it for a month because I jumped up a good amount of weight in just a month. I don't think it hurts to use a oral only cycle for your first time you get a idea how your body reacts to AAS and You can def get sides just taking dbol or tbol. I got a little water weight wich I dropped when I used my PCT products and my nips did start to hurt a little when I pushed the TBol to 60mg-70mg a day. I think it was a good cycle to start off on for me.It gave me a good idea of what I was getting into.
I used Test for every other cycle except once I ran anavar solo as well and it worked great. Nice strength gains and no water weight. If you are scared of needles at least buy some androgel and use like 5 packets a day and you will be taking in about 50mg of Test base a day. It is not injectable test but it does work.
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Large muscle groups you can get away with working them just 1 time a week or 2 times a week but do a light day with burn sets the 2nd leg day.I can squat 2.5 times my body weight and leg press close to 5 times my body weight.
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if you're doing only dbol, i'm gonna be the one to say "fuck 30mg... use 100mg"
if you use only 20mg, will you regret it? probably
if you use 100mg, will you regret it? probably not.
it's like the guy in the used E-Class who pulls up next to an S-Class. The E-Class driver will usually think "damn, I should've got that one", while the S-CLass driver will never say "damn, I wish I would've got an E-Class". Esp since the damage is the same. In the case of the cars, the damage is the Cost/$$$.. in the case of the Dbol dose, the damage is the liver-enzymes/side effects.
Careful, BP issues may arise. Dbol also makes some people feel like shit at high doses especially for a beginner. Start low, I'd say no more than 30 for a few weeks and increase sloooowly if you choose. BP and heachaches are for real with some orals. After having cycled for a long time, I now can handle a ton of gear, initially it was hell
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Dbol does give me headaches more often than most other orals.
Great point.
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Dbol does give me headaches more often than most other orals.
Great point.
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Were the headaches related to an increase in BP?
BP is what scares the crap out of me.
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i remember getting some pretty nasty headaches when i was on superdrol and when i popped a cialis or viagra
that shit was brutal!
in fact, i'll be taking some cialis tonite as my girl will stop by this night for a visit so we'll see how it goes as far as brutal headaches are concerned
luckily i'm a sober fella and i don't touch alcohol, but i'm wondering if it would it be good to take liv-52?
at this point i've been taking 15 mg an hour before training and then 5 mg about 4-5 hours later and then 10 mg with my last meal, so is that good or should i make it 3 even doses or maybe even go with 20 mg pre-workout and then 5 mg for the other 2 doses, or just stay with two 15 mg doses?
i've read that the half life of dbol is 3.5 to 4 hours and that it's better to take 3 doses per day as opposed to 2 doses
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i remember getting some pretty nasty headaches when i was on superdrol and when i popped a cialis or viagra
that shit was brutal!
in fact, i'll be taking some cialis tonite as my girl will stop by this night for a visit so we'll see how it goes as far as brutal headaches are concerned
luckily i'm a sober fella and i don't touch alcohol, but i'm wondering if it would it be good to take liv-52?
at this point i've been taking 15 mg an hour before training and then 5 mg about 4-5 hours later and then 10 mg with my last meal, so is that good or should i make it 3 even doses or maybe even go with 20 mg pre-workout and then 5 mg for the other 2 doses, or just stay with two 15 mg doses?
i've read that the half life of dbol is 3.5 to 4 hours and that it's better to take 3 doses per day as opposed to 2 doses
what brand of superdrol did you try? and what brand of dbol are you on? the headaches come from high blood pressure. Cialis and viagra also will give you a headache because it can raise your BP and it also increases blood flow to alot of area not just to your dick. Too much blood to your brain will cause a headache. some bodybuilders pop viagra to get some roadmap vascularity going on. as far as liv-52 use it post cycle not while you are on cycle it can hinder your gains best to just wait till post cycle.
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i tried 3 different types of sdrol and i don't even remember which ones lol
and on a side note, this sdrol doesn't even compare to this dbol FUCK! i wish that i would have went just straight to the dbol rather than fucking around with this sdrol for over a year ::)
live and learn i guess
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Your worried about bloat but you choose to run dbol? I'm confused! I'm currently running 1g test E with 900mg deca with no bloat. Everyone is different.
As for squats, have you tried using smith machine? I only do squats on smith. You can change your foot position to hit different parts of the legs. Might be something to try!
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i tried 3 different types of sdrol and i don't even remember which ones lol
and on a side note, this sdrol doesn't even compare to this dbol FUCK! i wish that i would have went just straight to the dbol rather than fucking around with this sdrol for over a year ::)
live and learn i guess
You must not of gotten very good superdrol. Most of all the real high grade superdrol was around when it was still legal back in 05. I remember doing a raw material test with SRCS and it was 99% pure methasteron(superdrol) after that year it seemed every year the superdrol got worse quality. But if you get high grade superdrol I would say it works on the same level of dbol except I think dbol you get more water weight. what brand of dbol are you using? you don't remember any of the brands and you tried 3 of them? I can remember every brand I have tried of any product
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Your worried about bloat but you choose to run dbol? I'm confused! I'm currently running 1g test E with 900mg deca with no bloat. Everyone is different.
As for squats, have you tried using smith machine? I only do squats on smith. You can change your foot position to hit different parts of the legs. Might be something to try!
A smith machione? I can understand a hack squat machine but a smith machine? That is not how tsquats should be done. Maybe if you are new to squats you could use a smith machine but your using steroids yet are using a smith machine to do squats?
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A smith machione? I can understand a hack squat machine but a smith machine? That is not how tsquats should be done. Maybe if you are new to squats you could use a smith machine but your using steroids yet are using a smith machine to do squats?
Jay cutler only does squats on the smith. It's no different than using hammer strength machines for chest. Don't have to walk the weight out. Takes the pressure off my lower back because you don't have to lean forward at all in fear of falling backwards. I wouldn't suggest it for power lifting purposes. But bodybuilding is all about targeting a specific muscle and avoiding injury. Which is why so many guys use machines. (unless shooting a video) try it before you knock it.
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Jay cutler only does squats on the smith. It's no different than using hammer strength machines for chest. Don't have to walk the weight out. Takes the pressure off my lower back because you don't have to lean forward at all in fear of falling backwards. I wouldn't suggest it for power lifting purposes. But bodybuilding is all about targeting a specific muscle and avoiding injury. Which is why so many guys use machines. (unless shooting a video) try it before you knock it.
I have tried it but when I was like 15 yrs old. I get your whole idea behind the smith rack you are saying as long as you are contracting the correct muscle it does not really matter. Jay cuttler must be one of the only pros who uses a smith rack. I think it takes more core strength to do regular squats with a squat rack. You are correct in that if you have a injury or have a
area in your back that cannot make a certain movement maybe the smith rack is the best choice. But you will bould bigger legs and develop stronger muscle core strength doing squats with just a squat rack not a smith machine. I am not knocking a smith machine but I don;t understand using a smith machine unless you have a injury you are watching out for. You will get better results using a regular squat rack over the smith machine however a smith machine will give you a pump but as far as building overall leg mass and core strength using the squat rack is the way to go. Smith machine is not pointless just not what most pros use! I don;t care if cuttler uses the smith machine he is one of very few bros who use a smith machine for doing squats that is like what king kamali does.
I think comparing chest- hammer strength machines that they make hammer strength machines for for flat/incline/decline and wide chest are totally more beneficial then comparing a smith machine to a squat rack. If you have a injury I totally understand the method but if no injury I would get a spotter and practice on the squat rack. No offense but doing squats using the smith rack is for somebody young trying to get there form down correct or somebody who has a injury.Way more mass will be built using the squat rack although if you are just going for a muscle pump or contracting a muscle a smith machine will work. Not as well as a squat rack but it will work.
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Take liv52 before during and after cycle. It works, period.
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i'm starting to think that this superdrol that i had was either bunk, underdosed or something else, coz i've only been only this dbol for 5 days now and the difference btw it and sdrol is like night and day
i'm just fucking pissed off at myself that i waited so damn long to use real gear and that i played around with this "poop" as 15 called it for over a year ::)
i thought that superdrol was supposed to be an awesome mass size gainer ??? well let's just say that this dbol is kicking it's fucking ass
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i'm starting to think that this superdrol that i had was either bunk, underdosed or something else, coz i've only been only this dbol for 5 days now and the difference btw it and sdrol is like night and day
i'm just fucking pissed off at myself that i waited so damn long to use real gear and that i played around with this "poop" as 15 called it for over a year ::)
i thought that superdrol was supposed to be an awesome mass size gainer ??? well let's just say that this dbol is kicking it's fucking ass
what brand of dbol is it? if you would of bought the superdrol when it was legal back in 05 you might have a diffrent opinion. High quality superdrol is no joke. You should watch the interview with bostin when he talked about how his first cycle was superdrol and he got insanley huge and his strength went through the roof. I can post it if you want. I was able to gain 15 pounds of muscle off of superdrol and my bench went up 50lbs on my max. I stopped it by the 3rd week so my Test E had barely kicked in. you can't even remember the name of the brand of superdrol I asked you last night most people remember the brands of pills they take. do you even know the brand of dbol you are taking? superdrol is some insane shit.
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i don't wanna say the brand truth be told, but lets just say that this dbol is kicking the superdrols ass
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i don't wanna say the brand truth be told, but lets just say that this dbol is kicking the superdrols ass
Shocking. The next thing that you'll say is that test prop is superior to creatine. :D
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Shocking. The next thing that you'll say is that test prop is superior to creatine. :D
lol
funny thing is, i still got some creatine on hand and i missed my dose of it yesterday and i was worried that maybe i'd "lost some of my potential gains" because of this creatine missed dose lol
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Shocking. The next thing that you'll say is that test prop is superior to creatine. :D
this guy is bullshitting. he is not using any dbol or has even used superdrol you just don't forget a brand of superdrol you have tried especially if it sucked. Now he wants to be secretive with this insane dbol he is getting-lol
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this guy is bullshitting. he is not using any dbol or has even used superdrol you just don't forget a brand of superdrol you have tried especially if it sucked. Now he wants to be secretive with this insane dbol he is getting-lol
jealous much?
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jealous much?
Methinks that WW wouldn't have a lot of trouble finding a pile of dbols if he wanted to go that route, so I doubt that he is jealous.
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jealous much?
No just think you are lying. you tried superdrol 3 times and cannot remember any of the brands and now you are taking some crazy strong dbol in your opinion but you have never taken dbol before so you don;t really know how good it is. You are also using dbol only wich is ok but to top it off with creatine yuck. If you really are taking dbol save the creatine as part of your pre-cycle and I have plenty of oral steroids that are made by the best labs out there I gaurantee the dbol I have is better or at least a lab I can get or have heard of just wondering wich lab is so imressive to you where it makes superdrol feel like worthless shit.
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welp i'm not lying and i never said that i've vast experience with roids
what i am saying is that the effect of this dbol is MUCH BETTER then the effect of any of the superdrol that i took
here's the thing, i've read quite a few sites that claimed that superdrol is just as potent or more potent than dbol, and IN MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (having now used both compounds) this claim is bullshit
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Well right now I'm on BLUE HEART dbols ...... and those are some beasts
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anabolic xtreme was the sdrol i used around 07-08. took me past my 160 lb sticking point to 180+ easily.
on occasion some insane back pumps. would have to stop training for a few minutes and let it relax.
stocked up on 3 bottles cheap when they outlawed it. used it till just recently. technically expired but it still worked and i was stacking with test e.
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anabolic xtreme was the sdrol i used around 07-08. took me past my 160 lb sticking point to 180+ easily.
on occasion some insane back pumps. would have to stop training for a few minutes and let it relax.
stocked up on 3 bottles cheap when they outlawed it. used it till just recently. technically expired but it still worked and i was stacking with test e.
see that was good superdrol on the anabolic xtreme bottle is should say it was actually capped up and the production was overseen by designer supplements. it is on the bottle on the back on the bottom.Basically it is designer supplements superdrol capped upped and bottled for anabolic xtreme. The very first batches of superdrol that were first sold by designer supplements only in grams of powder was insanely strong. made you losr hair but it was extremly potent. Like I said I added 50lbs to my bench press max and it filled me up nicelt just as it claimed like super anadrol. anadrol with leaner gains.
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Was great while it lasted.
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There was a few days that I ran it at 100 mg per day for a few days then back down to 20-30
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well that dont make the superdrol fakes, even if its real,its much weaker than dbol, something like what feels 10 times weaker, dbol is quite up there, as far efficiency goes,its very powerfull mg per mg.
that's certainly been my experience, now maybe i can finally weigh 181 ;D ;D ;D
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10 times weaker? Maybe 1/10th as strong? Hth
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I only use strango these days. His dbol is crazy and 20mg of his superdrol blew 60mg of dbol away. Within a few days my forearms were fuller and covered in veins!! Dbol definitely has its place. But I'd take superdrol over dbol without a doubt!
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my girl was with me on saturday night and she told me that my legs and ass are bigger, and she asked me what i've been doing for them 8)
also, she couldn't my her hands off my pecs as we lay in bed cuddling each other after each of my 90 second sex bouts ;D
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just got back form the gym and my bodyweight is up 2 kilos from 6 days ago
also, i trained legs and after a few sets on leg press i went and did some full squats with upright torso and ass taken below parallel and i got 10 reps til near failure with 40 kilos hahahahahaha!!!! FUCKING BRUTAL :D :D :D
so lets see here, i can bench 90 kilo for 10 reps or so and i squat 40 kilos for 10 reps or so ::) ::) ::)
and here's something that i really hate to say, but my legs are indeed bigger and i didn't or haven't increased my leg strength
maybe these fellas that kept telling me to just train the muscle and not to worry about practicing progressive overload were right? at least as far as training and muscle growth while on roids
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I only use strango these days. His dbol is crazy and 20mg of his superdrol blew 60mg of dbol away. Within a few days my forearms were fuller and covered in veins!! Dbol definitely has its place. But I'd take superdrol over dbol without a doubt!
his dbol is not crazy. I don;t know how many brands you have tried though. never tried his superdrol though he must have added the superdrol in the last year. I bet it is good though it is probably made with good raws. Any superdrol made with good raws will blow most dbol away. the purity really makes a diffrence.
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who knows, maybe i respond better to "wet" compounds than to "dry" compounds
and i'm not bullshitting about the difference btw dbol and superdrol FOR ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL, and this will clearly be displayed when i post up my update pics on oct 31st ;)
p.s. that ripped pic was me on 20 mg of superdrol per day ::)
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who knows, maybe i respond better to "wet" compounds than to "dry" compounds
and i'm not bullshitting about the difference btw dbol and superdrol FOR ME AS AN INDIVIDUAL, and this will clearly be displayed when i post up my update pics on oct 31st ;)
p.s. that ripped pic was me on 20 mg of superdrol per day ::)
that could be true but you should of gotten some strength gains off the superdrol if you took at least 20-40mg daily/
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mg per mg superdrol (methasterone) is supposed to be much stronger than dianabol. Difference is less water retention providing quality gains instead but said to be much harder on liver/lipids than dbol...
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I gotta try some of this shit actually...
Sucks you can't take it for long though. What's a good average length to use this stuff anyone know?
Oh galeniko I've tried tbol....like dbol without the water weight. Both are really good...
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a i always confuse superdrol and halodrol, sorry, halodrol is the weak shit.
borracho i dont see why dbol cant be run 3 months, you just run it and when sides like bad skin etc start, change to something else.
Sorry I meant superdrol.
From everything I've read online it seems this is one gives a lot of people nasty sides like lethargy, messed up liver values, lipids, etc.
And I mean almost immediately...
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his dbol is not crazy. I don;t know how many brands you have tried though. never tried his superdrol though he must have added the superdrol in the last year. I bet it is good though it is probably made with good raws. Any superdrol made with good raws will blow most dbol away. the purity really makes a diffrence.
I've only tried 3 different dbol. Precision was the first then his then omega. I'm sure pharm grade is stronger but of those three I liked his the best. Omega was very good too. Ive only tried his superdrol so I have nothing to compare it to. But it is very strong. Lots of size/strength and no water.
As to how long you can run superdrol it really depends on the person and their lifestyle. I've heard of guys running it for months at a time at a lower dose. Some can only handle 3-6 weeks. It is very toxic though which I believe is why it was never FDA approved.
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I've only tried 3 different dbol. Precision was the first then his then omega. I'm sure pharm grade is stronger but of those three I liked his the best. Omega was very good too. Ive only tried his superdrol so I have nothing to compare it to. But it is very strong. Lots of size/strength and no water.
As to how long you can run superdrol it really depends on the person and their lifestyle. I've heard of guys running it for months at a time at a lower dose. Some can only handle 3-6 weeks. It is very toxic though which I believe is why it was never FDA approved.
This is what I hear.
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wait are you saying oral turinabol the weakest steroid out there, is stronger than dbol? ???
the guy said something (sdrol) was like 10 times weaker than the dbol. that would mean more like 1/10 the strength. hth
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a i always confuse superdrol and halodrol, sorry, halodrol is the weak shit.
borracho i dont see why dbol cant be run 3 months, you just run it and when sides like bad skin etc start, change to something else.
the REAL original halodrol from gaspari that was only sold for about a month blows superdrol away. Most people have never tried the original Halodrol-50 with the Tbol precursor and the DMT(desoxy Methyl Testosterone) plus the masking agent . Very few people got to try the first run gaspari halodrol-50 most people have only tried the gaspari Tbol-precursor that was put out after they pulled the original halodrol-50, same with H-drol and all the clones those were all just Tbol precursors you cannot compare those to the original gaspari limited first rfun halodrol-50. I have tried superdrol and the original halodrol-50 and the halodrol-50 rocked the superdrol but superdrol is pretty close if made with high quality raws. Pretty close you get some very rapid gains with very limited water retention ,makes you basically explode with muscle. But it is just as toxic as superdrol and alot of guys got sick within days. I pulled a 30 days on it wich was one box. It was great shit. def best oral I have tried.
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wait are you saying oral turinabol the weakest steroid out there, is stronger than dbol? ???
I wouldn't say Turinabol is a the weakest compound. I got some very high grade Turinabol from the original british Dragon back in 05 and I sent them to SRCS and they were 9.2mg labelled as 10mg so it would of passed USA standards as something that could be labelled as 10mg as they give a 10% margin of error either way wether short 10% or over 10% and that Tbol blew me up nicely. I used it solo for a month and after 3 weeks I was up 11 lbs lean just a touch of water weight. It was def like a mild dbol as advertised. I think winstrol is the weakest AAS I have tried.
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Real turinabol and superdol are good steroids. I think the problem is that after legislation(or lack of) some companies marketed products with similar names but completely different substances giving them a bad rep....
4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone
4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone, sold under the brand name Oral Turinabol, is an anabolic steroid. It is a chlor-substituted version of methandrostenolone (Dianabol). Turinabol was the first original product of Jenapharm, an East German pharmaceutical company. The patent registration took place in 1961. The idea of combining the structures of 4-chlorotestosterone and methandrostenolone originated from the chemist Albert Stachowiak.[citation needed] At the time this represented a unique dissociation of anabolic and androgenic effects after oral administration.[1] The product had been introduced for clinical use in 1965. Turinabol was the key steroid administered to approximately 10,000 athletes from East Germany (GDR). The doping program was run by the East German Government from about 1968 thru until 1989 when the Berlin wall was destroyed. The doping program was known as STASI 14.25. The doping was done in secret and it was only in the 1990's when Franke and Berendonk looked closely at the original archived information was the true scope of just how well-planned and successful the doping regime had been (in terms of medal success and world record performances). [2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone
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so maybe i didn't have real superdrol then...
maybe i'll post up some pics here soon to show you dudes what a fast and dramatic effect that dbol is having upon my physique
i gotta say that i'm falling in love with the gym again (no homo) and that i trained barbell squats today and that i may even just stick with them this time
maybe my love for the gym and training is because of such fast and dramatic results that i'm getting from this dbol, or maybe it's because of dbol's "feel good" properties, or maybe a bit of both
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so maybe i didn't have real superdrol then...
maybe i'll post up some pics here soon to show you dudes what a fast and dramatic effect that dbol is having upon my physique
i gotta say that i'm falling in love with the gym again (no homo) and that i trained barbell squats today and that i may even just stick with them this time
maybe my love for the gym and training is because of such fast and dramatic results that i'm getting from this dbol, or maybe it's because of dbol's "feel good" properties, or maybe a bit of both
probably a bit of both it is nice to go to the gym and actually feel like you are making progress especially when you can see it in the mirror. Have you had alot of people ask you why you are getting big so fast? dbol can give a little facial bloat and usually that is what tips people off.
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yeah, a few of my students have made comments and said something about it
and this face bloat thing ain't such a bad thing for me, being as i'm quite ripped and when i'm ripped like this, then i have a skelator face lol
but the thing is, my bod isn't getting bloated which is a great thing, you see, i'm a naturally "dry guy" and this is one of my genetic blessings, but being a true ectomorph isn't such a great genetic blessing :'(
(http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/203774/774/84/skelator_display.jpg)
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nah it doesnt help,
all one can do is maybe bit clomid and letro afterwards, but that wont help so greatly, the letro will eventualy rebound, but it can reduce damage.
as for the limp dick,sure you forgot the estrogen water bloat for no reason,lol, but viagra might temporarily help.
i feel bit sorry for the kids who do dbol only cycles, but to each their own, must learn hard way.
:D
If you have to chose between anavar and dboll wat should be your choice?
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i'm 5 weeks in and my bodyweight is up 5 kg, which is 11 pounds and my ab skinfold is only up 1 mm
what's shocking is that i'm eating shit, like micky d's and tons of ice cream and cookies and i'm still quite lean, sitting @ 7-8% 8)
i'm convinced that either this superdol i had was shit or dbol really likes me ;D
my lats and delts have really grown and i'm starting to take on the look of a bodybuilder :)
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i'm 5 weeks in and my bodyweight is up 5 kg, which is 11 pounds and my ab skinfold is only up 1 mm
what's shocking is that i'm eating shit, like micky d's and tons of ice cream and cookies and i'm still quite lean, sitting @ 7-8% 8)
i'm convinced that either this superdol i had was shit or dbol really likes me ;D
my lats and delts have really grown and i'm starting to take on the look of a bodybuilder :)
welcome to the dark side... now you'll forever be chasing gains. you'll go off and realize "shit, I gotta go back on"... and you'll forever be #1not big enough #2 not separated enough #3 not hard enough & #4 not vascular enough.. lol... you'll always think "I can get just a lil better...", go to an NPC show and sit in the audience and realize, "wtf... I should've entered this show" and you'll be off to the races.
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his dbol is not crazy. I don;t know how many brands you have tried though. never tried his superdrol though he must have added the superdrol in the last year. I bet it is good though it is probably made with good raws. Any superdrol made with good raws will blow most dbol away. the purity really makes a diffrence.
have you ever tried those old real russian dbols that came in blister packs and im blue writing something like methapohoctenon ln the backside? They where fucking brutal. Was btw the early 2001 and 2003 i took them.. Have never come over dbol that are near them. Could take 3 5mg and blew up like crazy.
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welcome to the dark side... now you'll forever be chasing gains. you'll go off and realize "shit, I gotta go back on"... and you'll forever be #1not big enough #2 not separated enough #3 not hard enough & #4 not vascular enough.. lol... you'll always think "I can get just a lil better...", go to an NPC show and sit in the audience and realize, "wtf... I should've entered this show" and you'll be off to the races.
AMEN I've been the guy that preached this same sermon and hooked dudes up and they are like na I'll just do a 3 month run BULLSHIT !!!!!! You start looking better feeling better getting female's attention and now have the nerve to approach chicks,,, ha
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have you ever tried those old real russian dbols that came in blister packs and im blue writing something like methapohoctenon ln the backside? They where fucking brutal. Was btw the early 2001 and 2003 i took them.. Have never come over dbol that are near them. Could take 3 5mg and blew up like crazy.
define "blew up like crazy"
how much how fast?
i was training every goddamn day, due to me being a very compulsive individual, but this past week i actually took 3 days off completely and i grew more and faster this week than i have during any of the other weeks (all this while staying at the same dose) so this basically tells me not to train every goddamn fucking day LOL
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define "blew up like crazy"
how much how fast?
i was training every goddamn day, due to me being a very compulsive individual, but this past week i actually took 3 days off completely and i grew more and faster this week than i have during any of the other weeks (all this while staying at the same dose) so this basically tells me not to train every goddamn fucking day LOL
dont remember the numbers it was 10 years ago but it was a big difference in the feel of it. And i always blew up lets say 10kg in 4-5weeks with test e now maybe 6kg..numbers could be a little wrong was 10 years ago...but one thing i remember was how they made me feel. More agression in the gym and the pump was waaay better. I hade pump in the muscles 2-3 hours sfter i took some dbols to without going to the gym
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dont remember the numbers it was 10 years ago but it was a big difference in the feel of it. And i always blew up lets say 10kg in 4-5weeks with test e now maybe 6kg..numbers could be a little wrong was 10 years ago...but one thing i remember was how they made me feel. More agression in the gym and the pump was waaay better. I hade pump in the muscles 2-3 hours sfter i took some dbols to without going to the gym
thanks for the feedback
when i was on the superdrol i tried to "bulk" 2 different times and i did gain a bit but i basically just got fatter
this time around i'm "bulking" as well, but now it's lean gains and not fat gains :)
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welcome to the dark side... now you'll forever be chasing gains. you'll go off and realize "shit, I gotta go back on"... and you'll forever be #1not big enough #2 not separated enough #3 not hard enough & #4 not vascular enough.. lol... you'll always think "I can get just a lil better...", go to an NPC show and sit in the audience and realize, "wtf... I should've entered this show" and you'll be off to the races.
lol totally right.... ;D
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best dbol ever.
10mg is fine, 20/25mg is hard to support.
what do you mean by "hard to support"
also, i vary the dose from day to day, but i stay within the range of 20 mg minimum to 40 mg maximum
my plan is to take the dbol til i'm around 80 kg and then switch up compounds and go to var and see if it really is a "hardener" as it's claimed to be
i sometimes think bout trying to go to a ripped 90 kg but i'm not sure i want to go that far and maybe i'll be satisfied with being a RIPPED 75-80 kg
and yeah, i gotta admit that this post pissed me the fuck off >:( >:( >:(
why? coz it's probably fucking true lol
welcome to the dark side... now you'll forever be chasing gains. you'll go off and realize "shit, I gotta go back on"... and you'll forever be #1not big enough #2 not separated enough #3 not hard enough & #4 not vascular enough.. lol... you'll always think "I can get just a lil better...", go to an NPC show and sit in the audience and realize, "wtf... I should've entered this show" and you'll be off to the races.
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My muscles gets hard as stone when im on dbol. Like a fucking rock even if im offseason. And when i stop they get softer (still hard) even if im on 1gram t and eq. I love the feeling on dbol, its like you go around with a little pump in all of your muscles even if you havent trained.
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Just bumped mine up to 40 ed .... fucking awesome pumps
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I know a ton of guys who did Dbol only for their first cycle. It's not the best, but whatever, at least you are thinking in the right direction.
I'd start off with 30mg per day and keep your diet tight. You might gain some water, but you will look swole.
It gives you a mild boost mentally, just like most AAS do and you will feel good overall.
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I ran D as my first non pro hormone "real cycle" and had great results at 50mg/day. I gained @ 15lbs but my nipples felt very sore and the gains slipped away as fast as they came on when I stopped.
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Dbol is my fav steroid. I love the feeling of it and the pump i get in and off the gym. Last time i ran it 8weeks on 50-80mg together with eq and test e and i will def do those 3 compounds together more times
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80 mg :o
from all the sources i've read online they say to keep the dose somewhere btw 15-50 mg per day and that the "sweet spot" is usually @ 40 mg
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80 mg :o
from all the sources i've read online they say to keep the dose somewhere btw 15-50 mg per day and that the "sweet spot" is usually @ 40 mg
nah i know many guys that go 100 and even 200. But if this was the old russians i wouldt probably go over 50mg but these new ug i had wasnt as powerfull. But i dont belive there is a sweetspot at 40mg. If you take more the more you grow. But i lile to keep them btw 40 and 80 mg. Nevee gone higher
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fuck it then, i'll jump up to 60 mg then 8)
i'm gonna fucking hit 181 or die trying LOL
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nah i know many guys that go 100 and even 200. But if this was the old russians i wouldt probably go over 50mg but these new ug i had wasnt as powerfull. But i dont belive there is a sweetspot at 40mg. If you take more the more you grow. But i lile to keep them btw 40 and 80 mg. Nevee gone higher
I've run 150-200/day... can't say it's any better than 100-150 though... same as drol, gains from 250/day arnb't much better than 150/day.... and my stuff is as good as it gets.
that being said, the 'sides' from 150+ are no different from 50mg/day.