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Title: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on August 27, 2013, 06:19:21 PM
I doubt this will rival my Snack O'Neal thread because Howard is in the prime of his career, but it will be interesting to see how his move to Houston pans out.  I think it was a mistake.  But time will tell. 

Don't like these comments at all, if true.  (But I'm not a D'Antoni fan.  Yet.)

Report: Howard demanded Bryant be amnestied or 'muzzled'
By Matt Moore | NBA writerAugust 24, 2013


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These two: not friends. Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard. (USATSI)

CSN Bay Area reports that Dwight Howard's demands of the Lakers in their meeting with the free agent center in early July centered around two controversial issues: firing Mike D'Antoni and amnestying, or "muzzling," franchise icon Kobe Bryant.

Talks with various people close to the situation make it clear there were two prerequisites for Dwight Howard to remain a Laker: fire Mike D'Antoni and amnesty, or at the very least muzzle, Kobe Bryant. As audacious as that might sound, it doesn't come without precedent in Lakers' history. When Kobe re-upped in 2004, it coincided with Shaq being shipped to Miami and Phil Jackson being let go. Of course, Kobe didn't have to pressure the team braintrust -- Mitch Kupchak and Jerry and Jim Buss -- to make those moves, since Dr. Buss, in particular, was done with both Shaq and Phil at the time.

The Lakers apparently asked Dwight to be patient on both fronts for at least another season, telling him "hey, you're going to have to gut this out another year," a source said, although it sounds as if VP of basketball ops Jim Buss isn't ready to abandon Kobe anytime soon. "Dwight didn't want to play with Kobe for 2-3 more years," Buss said. "I'm going to stand behind Kobe because of his history with the franchise." It would seem, then, with all that happened, the Lakers had the wherewithal to keep Howard if they had desired; they simply found the price too high.

via Ric Bucher's post on Basketball | Latest updates on Sulia.

Does that sound like a fairly one-sided perspective on a complex issue, almost like it was purposefully designed to leave Dwight Howard looking like a self-important jackass with a massive ego and the Lakers to look sympathetic as they defended their franchise icon?

Yeah. That's about what it looks like.

But there's a lot of smoke to this fire. Let's take a look at some headlines, shall we?

Dwight Howard says Kobe Bryant should chill out, which should go over well

Report: Kobe and Dwight Howard 'feuding'?

Report: Kobe's refusal to step aside key factor in Howard's departure

Report: Kobe Bryant challenges Dwight Howard in Lakers meeting

Kobe Bryant unfollows Dwight Howard on Twitter, says 'vamos'

Dwight Howard on playing with Kobe Bryant: 'It was very tough'

So clearly, if we look at the big picture, they didn't get along. Notice tha CSN Bay Area's report doesn't deal with the issue of firing Mike D'Antoni, as only the protection of Bryant was seen as a non-starter. CSN Bay Area clarified that point:

I know you're tired of this story and I hope this is the last post on the Howard-Lakers subject but an important clarification from my previous item: Howard,in the final conversations before leaving for Houston, didn't specifically tell the Lakers that if coach Mike D'Antoni was fired he'd stay and the Lakers never made the offer to do so if it would convince Howard to re-up. Did Dwight have issues with his role in Mike's offense? Yes. Was he enamored with playing for Phil Jackson? Apparently. But the fact is he's headed to the Rockets, who run -- or have run -- practically the same pick-and-roll offense that D'Antoni employs and, as Jeremy Lin insinuated recently and I've observed firsthand, Kevin McHale can be as publicly ascerbic as D'Antoni or any other coach assessing a player. While there are those who insist the Lakers had the wherewithal to keep Howard, the feeling is not unanimous: some involved believe he never intended to stay. That, perhaps, is why it's difficult to put this story in the rearview mirror -- because the reasons that Howard is not a Laker are vital in defining both who he is and who the Lakers are in the wake of Dr. Buss' death. Those reasons remain a point of contention. This is certainly not the first time that has happened in the wake of a star player changing addresses -- or even a star center leaving the Lakers, re: Shaq -- and maybe this is a subject better tackled by a marriage counselor or divorce lawyer, but if the parties involved can't agree on what prompted their split, maybe that's a sign that they weren't meant to be together.

via Ric Bucher's post on Basketball | Latest updates on Sulia.

The Lakers would be right to protect Bryant. He's given his life to this franchise and won them five titles, made them inconceivable amounts of money. But is it as simple as "Howard demanded him gone, the Lakers refused?" That's hard to figure. There's no black and white here. You can expect reports of Howard's side of this deal to "miraculously" appear at some point down the line, whether it's next week or months later.

One thing is clear, the Lakers do not seem ready as an organization to let go of Howard's rejection. You can understand that as well; nobody turns down the Lakers. It just doesn't happen, yet there Howard is, dressed in Rocket red for opening night.

It sets the stage for what could be a fairly amazing feud over the end of Kobe's career and another sign that sometimes, superstars can't team up. Their egos just won't let them.

This story is not going away any time soon. It's implications were just too big, the personalities involved too big.

  http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/23300755/report-dwight-howard-demanded-kobe-bryant-be-amnestied-or-muzzled
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: funk51 on August 28, 2013, 09:35:20 AM
howard is an ass. he gets van gundy fired than leaves the team.before it all went down  howard is shown hugging van gundy saying i'm not trying to get him fired.  dwight howard in two words=lockeroom cancer.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: UPINTHEMGUTS on August 28, 2013, 12:59:58 PM
Howard wants to be the king of his team but doesn't have the killer instinct to bury his opponents. Kobe does. Kobe is just like Jordan when it came to having that dominating will to beat his opponents. It was Kobe's team and he was 1a to Howard's 1b. Howard didn't like that even though he doesn't have those traits Kobe possesses to win.

Howard is a fraud. Plus that stupid ass fake cheesy smile of his is annoying. And stop of having so many kids out of wedlock you fucking deadbeat. I can't stand him and he I hope he fails miserably in Houston. Locker room cancer. He won't be worth a fuck when his athletic ability declines in a few years. He never learned a post game and probably won't respect Kevin Mchale's attempts on helping him in that area.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on August 28, 2013, 03:25:03 PM
He could have won in LA if he stayed.  They probably would have brought Phil back if D'Antoni didn't get it done.  Phil knows how to use a big man.  D'Antoni doesn't. 

What's funny is I think Howard was afraid of the spotlight and pressure in LA, and may have used the unreasonable demand (get rid of Kobe) as an excuse. 

But hey who needs Howard when you can get Chris Kaman?   :)
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on August 29, 2013, 05:49:13 PM
Dwight Howard is a clown and a drama queen.  I'm so glad to be rid of him. 

Pau Gasol is twice the man he is. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: tonymctones on September 01, 2013, 12:18:02 PM
alot of angry laker fans in this thread...kobe over the hill and losing what prospects you do have will do that I guess
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on September 03, 2013, 01:59:25 PM
alot of angry laker fans in this thread...kobe over the hill and losing what prospects you do have will do that I guess

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I'm not angry at all. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Necrosis on September 14, 2013, 09:33:40 PM
I cannot speak for anyone else, but I'm not angry at all. 

The team is on the decline, kobe is fucked, will come back strong but not the same, nash is old as fuck, pau will continue to regress and they have no picks, no prospects, no cap room for a while. I wouldn't stay if I was Dwight, the lakers with him and a healthy kobe were bad. An older kobe and nash/pau? fuck that.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on September 16, 2013, 06:09:03 PM
The team is on the decline, kobe is fucked, will come back strong but not the same, nash is old as fuck, pau will continue to regress and they have no picks, no prospects, no cap room for a while. I wouldn't stay if I was Dwight, the lakers with him and a healthy kobe were bad. An older kobe and nash/pau? fuck that.

He was dumb to leave.  The Lakers are the most successful franchise in the NBA.  They find a way to get great players.  They win championships.  That's the legacy, past and present.  So overall, it was a bad basketball move, because no franchise, including Houston, will give him a better chance to compete for multiple championships.   

He left $30 million in salary on the table.  He left many times more than that in endorsement money on the table.  Horrible financial decision.

And "no cap room for a while"?  Not true.  The Lakers will have as much as any team in the NBA next year, enough to sign two max contract players.  Another reason why it was dumb for Howard to leave. 

But will be interesting to see how it plays out.     
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Necrosis on September 17, 2013, 12:19:21 PM
He was dumb to leave.  The Lakers are the most successful franchise in the NBA.  They find a way to get great players.  They win championships.  That's the legacy, past and present.  So overall, it was a bad basketball move, because no franchise, including Houston, will give him a better chance to compete for multiple championships.   

He left $30 million in salary on the table.  He left many times more than that in endorsement money on the table.  Horrible financial decision.

And "no cap room for a while"?  Not true.  The Lakers will have as much as any team in the NBA next year, enough to sign two max contract players.  Another reason why it was dumb for Howard to leave. 

But will be interesting to see how it plays out.     

Yes the team is terrible, got ousted in the first round, is aging and has no prospects. What free agent would want to go there? they have no draft picks, the only way they acquire talent at this point is trade and cap room. With that cap room kobe is coming off the books, so you don't resign him? if you don't you have enough for two max contracts, kobe is going downhill.

He never wanted to be in LA. Winning isn't anywhere in the Lakers future. They are regressing, three of there stars may be in there last year.


He left money on the table but he can resign another long term deal earlier, probably netting him more in the long run.


Houston is better then LA, has a young star he can grow with and the best GM in the game.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on September 17, 2013, 12:46:57 PM
Yes the team is terrible, got ousted in the first round, is aging and has no prospects. What free agent would want to go there? they have no draft picks, the only way they acquire talent at this point is trade and cap room. With that cap room kobe is coming off the books, so you don't resign him? if you don't you have enough for two max contracts, kobe is going downhill.

He never wanted to be in LA. Winning isn't anywhere in the Lakers future. They are regressing, three of there stars may be in there last year.


He left money on the table but he can resign another long term deal earlier, probably netting him more in the long run.


Houston is better then LA, has a young star he can grow with and the best GM in the game.

The team was definitely terrible by Laker standards.  It's championship or bust in LA. 

They don't need draft picks to compete.  They need to sign young superstar players, which they have been doing for years.  And Kobe isn’t coming off the books.  He’s probably just going to take a haircut. 

Did you watch Kobe play last year?  That was one of the best years of his career.  The only question is whether he can recover from the injury.  But if anyone can, it’s Kobe.

The Lakers don’t regress.  They reload.  They may have down years, but Mitch Kupchak is a proven winner.  This is the same man who convinced Karl Malone and Gary Payton to basically play for free.  The same guy who traded for Pau.  The same guy who traded for Chris Paul.  (I still hope David Stern has perpetual, chronic diarrhea for vetoing that trade.)  He had to make a believer out of me, because I didn’t think anyone would be as good as Jerry West, but I’m sold.   

You are high if you think Howard can make more money in Houston than in LA.  That’s not even debatable.  His endorsement potential was much greater in LA.  That’s part of the reason Shaq signed with LA. 

Houston has the best GM in the game?  lol  Dude do you really follow the NBA?  (I’m thinking no since you claimed LA had no cap room for years to come.)  The best GMs in the game are Riley in Miami (not sure if he has the GM title, but he’s effectively the GM), the legendary West in Golden State, and Mitch Kupchak in LA.  What Houston has done is great, but they haven’t won squat yet.   

Yes, Harden is a great scorer.  I’ve always been a big fan of McHale.  But will they compete for multiple championships?  We shall see.       

Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on September 19, 2013, 11:34:22 AM
The Dream has spoken . . . .

Olajuwon praises Howard-Lin combo
September 18, 2013
ESPN.com

Olajuwon, a Hall of Fame center who works as a special instructor with the Rockets, praised Howard and Lin after working with them last week in Colorado, according to Fox 26 in Houston.

"Just the little offense I saw, that combination is very deadly," Olajuwon told Fox 26. "You can see that both of them are very excited, seeing that, 'Wow, we bring the right ingredients together.'

"When you see players that are dedicated to succeed, it gives you that window to see what kind of season that we're looking for."

Olajuwon, a two-time NBA champion and 12-time All-Star with the Rockets, was impressed with the newly acquired Howard.

"Dwight can clearly dominate this league comfortably," Olajuwon told Fox 26. "He has everything that he needs, and he has desire and work ethic to do it."

Olajuwon also stressed the importance of Lin, who will be counted on to lead a team that features Howard, All-Star guard James Harden and emerging forward Chandler Parsons.

"To be on the right team, which he is right now, he can really help and play his role very well and be effective," Olajuwon said of Lin. "There's no pressure on him now. It's on Dwight and James. His position is crucial for the team's success, and he can play that role very well."

Olajuwon had worked with Howard in the past. He also was at Howard's news conference this summer when he was introduced by the Rockets after signing a four-year contract worth about $88 million.

Olajuwon, who was elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame in 2008, is the Rockets' all-time leader in several categories, including points (26,511), rebounds (13,382), blocks (3,740) and steals (2,088). He was the NBA's MVP in 1993-94 and was named Finals MVP in back-to-back seasons (1994, '95).

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9689597/dwight-howard-jeremy-lin-combination-very-deadly-hakeem-olajuwon-says-houston-rockets-duo
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 04, 2013, 12:25:47 PM
Cuban makes some good points.  You choose a franchise, not individual players.

Mark Cuban: Howard made mistake
Updated: October 31, 2013
By Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com

DALLAS -- Mavericks owner Mark Cuban lost the recruiting battle for Dwight Howard to the Houston Rockets, but Cuban believes that's because the big man made a bad decision.

"Obviously, he made a mistake in judgment," Cuban said Thursday, a little more than 24 hours before the Mavericks play Howard's Rockets in Houston. "Do I blame him? No, that's what young kids do. They make mistakes in judgment."

The Mavs and Rockets were two of the five teams that made pitches to Howard and his agents in Los Angeles this summer. Cuban thinks Howard, 27, had already made up his mind to sign with the Rockets and team up with 24-year-old rising superstar shooting guard James Harden.


Cuban Obviously, he made a mistake in judgment. Do I blame him? No, that's what young kids do. They make mistakes in judgment.

-- Mavs owner Mark Cuban,
on Dwight Howard's decision
to sign with the Rockets

Mavs superstar Dirk Nowitzki is 35, but Cuban considers it foolish to make a decision in free agency based primarily on the age of potential co-stars.

"You choose teams. You don't choose players," Cuban said. "If he made a choice off of an individual player, yeah, he made a mistake. You choose teams. You choose organizations. You choose coaches. And it's just not relative to Houston. That's just the way I look at it, because if he's that good, then the right organization …

"Put aside Dwight. Any young superstar looking to make a move, if you're that good, then the right organization gets all the right pieces around you. So it's not about you'd rather play with this guy. If you're that good and you have [salary-cap] flexibility, the right organization will put the right pieces around you and get you there."

The Dallas front office's track record of success was a significant part of the Mavs' pitch to Howard. Dallas had a streak of 11 50-win seasons, which included two trips to the NBA Finals and a championship in 2011, snapped in the lockout-shortened 2011-12 campaign after Cuban opted to let Tyson Chandler and others leave in free agency because he wanted the salary-cap space to chase a superstar in free agency. The Mavs' streak of 12 playoff seasons ended last season, as Nowitzki dealt with injuries while being surrounded by a supporting cast consisting primarily of one-year rental players.

The Rockets, who pulled off a stunning blockbuster trade to land Harden before last season, have won one playoff series in the past 17 seasons.

Nowitzki, however, doesn't blame Howard for deciding that Houston was the best destination for him.

"Houston obviously is an up-and-coming team," Nowitzki told ESPNDallas.com. "[Chandler] Parsons to me is a phenomenal player, an up-and-coming player, and Harden is one of the best in the league at getting to the basket and scoring. They're going to be a handful."

Cuban said he thought the Mavs were a long shot going into their meeting with Howard and his representatives because of his feeling that Howard was leaning heavily to Houston. However, Cuban left the meeting believing that the Mavs had a legitimate chance, as did Nowitzki.

"I actually thought it went great, but the problem with those meetings is they don't really let on how it went or what they liked," Nowitzki said. "They went out of the room, came back in, had a couple of more questions for us. We answered those. I thought Cuban was fantastic in his presentation, even presented some of the marketing stuff we could have done here. So I thought we were really prepared.

"I thought it went well. But if you ask the other four teams -- or Houston got him, but the other three that didn't get him -- they'd probably say the same. It's a little misleading in those meetings. But we gave it our best shot. It didn't work out our way, and we moved on as a franchise."

The Mavs moved on by signing several free agents, a crop headlined by guards Jose Calderon (four years, $29 million) and Monta Ellis (three years, $25 million). The Mavs, who acknowledged that they were trying to sell Howard on a two-year rebuilding plan, would not have been able to afford either player if they had signed Howard to a max contract unless they made other major roster moves.

Pleased with Plan B -- and it's actually Plan D considering the Mavs' hopes to land Deron Williams or Chris Paul when the original decision was made to strip down the title roster -- Cuban insists he'll have no wonders about what could have been while watching Howard play against the Mavs.

"None. Not even a little bit, because I think we came out pretty good," Cuban said. "If we were stuck, then maybe. But like I say about every other team, I hope they suck.

"I say that every year. It's nothing personal. I still like Dwight as a person. But I still want the Rockets, like every other team, to have a horrible season. It's nothing personal. I just want them to suck."

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/9909058/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-owner-says-dwight-howard-made-wrong-decision
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 04, 2013, 08:50:00 PM
Tonight.  Dwight Howard with 3 fouls and 2 turnovers in the 6 minutes that he played in the entire first half.  As a Laker fan he looks a lot like the guy we had last year.  Fuck you Dwight.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 08, 2013, 09:02:13 AM
In what is sure to be a long season for my Lakers, I appreciate the little things.   :)  Hack-a-Howard worked. 

Steve Blake, Lakers top Dwight Howard, Rockets with last-second shot
Associated Press

HOUSTON -- Los Angeles coach Mike D'Antoni paid a lot of attention to former Lakers center Dwight Howard down the stretch.

He needed to get the ball out of the hands of Houston Rockets guard James Harden and figured the best way to do that was with the "Hack-a-Howard" defense.

The strategy worked perfectly, with Howard missing seven late free throws to allow the Lakers to keep it close before Steve Blake hit a wide-open 3-pointer with 1.3 seconds remaining to lift them to a 99-98 victory Thursday night.

"I think it went real well because we took Harden out of the game," D'Antoni said.

Howard spurned the Lakers to sign an $88 million deal with Houston, joining Harden and a team that made the playoffs last season for the first time since 2009.

A somber Howard called his free throw shooting "terrible" but wouldn't concede that this loss was more difficult because it was against his former team.

"Every loss hurts," said Howard, who had 15 points and 14 rebounds. "Nobody likes to lose. It's very upsetting that we lost the way we did."

D'Antoni's decision to foul Howard was surprising because last season he said the hack-a-whoever defense was bad for the game.

"That doesn't mean you're not going to use it, if it's out there," he said. "I'm not crazy."

Houston led by two points before Blake took the inbounds pass from Jodie Meeks and made the game-winning shot.

The Rockets were disappointed they let Blake get free for the winning basket.

"Guys just kind of messed up on the play," Howard said. "It happens."

The Rockets had a chance to win it, but Patrick Beverley's 3-point attempt at the buzzer bounced off the backboard.

"I was in a rhythm, and then they started fouling Dwight," said Harden, who scored 35 points. "It kind of slows us down. It slows our pace down and what we like to do. Good coaching."

The Rockets took their first lead since the first quarter on a dunk by Chandler Parsons following a steal by Harden that made it 93-91 with about four minutes left. Parsons left his arms outstretched as he came down from the dunk to wild applause from the home crowd. Harden had tied it up about a minute earlier on a 3-pointer.

The Lakers started fouling Howard every time he touched the ball after that, sending him to the line 12 times, but he made just five.

Meeks, who led the Lakers with 18 points, made a 3-pointer with less than two minutes remaining to cut the lead to two.

The Lakers struggled all last season amid reports that Howard and Kobe Bryant didn't get along, and were swept in the first round of the playoffs. Los Angeles could have offered Howard a five-year contract worth $118 million, but he chose to make the move to Houston with a four-year deal.

"He made his choice, which is good," D'Antoni said of Howard. "You've got to respect that. He's fine, and they're going to have a great team. You're just happy for everybody because we won."

The Lakers extended their lead to 14 points on a jump shot by Chris Kaman with about eight minutes left in the third quarter. Houston finally got its offense going after that, going on a 15-3 run to get within 74-72 with three minutes left in the quarter.

A highlight in that span came when Howard bobbled a bad pass from Harden before getting a handle on it and spinning around to finish with a dunk. The Rockets got eight points from Jeremy Lin during that run, and the Lakers had three turnovers.

Wesley Johnson made a 3-pointer to cool off the Rockets, but a 3-pointer by Harden just near the end of the quarter cut the lead to 81-77.

Houston shot just less than 35 percent and made just two of 13 3-point attempts in the first half. But the Rockets stayed in the game by making 18 of 27 free throws -- 25 in the second quarter alone -- before halftime. The Lakers didn't share in Houston's long-range shooting woes in the first half, hitting 11 of 14 3-point attempts.

The Lakers led by 17 points early in the second quarter before Houston used a 13-5 spurt capped by seven points from Harden to cut the lead to 45-36 about 7 1/2 minutes before halftime.

Harden's seven points came in just 35 seconds. He made the second of two free throws before hitting a 3-pointer seconds later. Howard got a rebound on the other end, and Harden made a layup. He was fouled on the shot and made the free throw.

Harden made five more free throws in the last 1:19 of the first half, but 3-pointers by Steve Nash and Meeks extended the Lakers' lead to 64-50 at halftime.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400488945
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Earl1972 on November 09, 2013, 10:42:15 AM
the lakers are a sinking ship, howard wants to win and he'll have a better shot of that in houston

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Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: The Showstoppa on November 09, 2013, 11:19:33 AM
Blake is a little turd.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: tonymctones on November 10, 2013, 07:22:42 PM
I was at the lakers vs. rockets game and howard wasnt the only one who had a chance to put it away and didnt.

He definitely choked on the free throws though.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 11, 2013, 11:47:58 AM
Never thought I'd see anyone shoot FTs worse than Shaq.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Cold on November 15, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Howard is a pussiii.

Who the fuck runs away from hack?

Be a man, say "come hack me bytch! imma knock down the free throw and seal ur fate u bytch."

instead ,he runs around with a grin on his face like a pussssssy avoiding the hack.

I just wanna slap the grin off his face.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 21, 2013, 10:51:44 AM
 :)

Vince Carter on Dwight Howard: He is ‘the biggest crybaby I know’
NBA
BY SCOOBY AXSON

Dallas Mavericks forward Vince Carter has had enough of Houston Rockets center Dwight Howard complaining to the officials.

In fact, he let Howard know about it during the second quarter of the Mavericks’ 123-120 victory over the Rockets last night.

According to ESPN.com, Carter interrupted Howard’s discussion with an official and repeatedly told Howard that he was “the biggest crybaby I know.”

“All the time,” Carter said of Howard’s whining to officials. “He always talks about how I’m a crybaby. I was like, ‘Yo, you’re the biggest crybaby I know.’ And then later, he’s like, ‘Yo, why’d you say that to me?’ But I know Dwight. It’s all good, but he is [a crybaby].”
DOLLINGER: From bad to ugly: Knicks, Nets nearing bottom

Carter, who scored nine points, had five rebounds and five assists in the victory, still maintained they were friends.

“I mean, he takes a lot of punishment, but I’m like, ‘Yo, c’mon Dwight, c’mon. You elbowed, you’re sitting in the paint the entire time. What are you whining about?’ He told me to stop crying. I was like, ‘What? Are you serious?’”

http://tracking.si.com/2013/11/21/mavericks-vince-carter-rips-dwight-howard/
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on November 21, 2013, 08:36:06 PM
:)

Vince Carter on Dwight Howard: He is ‘the biggest crybaby I know’
NBA
BY SCOOBY AXSON

Dallas Mavericks forward Vince Carter has had enough of Houston Rockets center Dwight Howard complaining to the officials.

In fact, he let Howard know about it during the second quarter of the Mavericks’ 123-120 victory over the Rockets last night.

According to ESPN.com, Carter interrupted Howard’s discussion with an official and repeatedly told Howard that he was “the biggest crybaby I know.”

“All the time,” Carter said of Howard’s whining to officials. “He always talks about how I’m a crybaby. I was like, ‘Yo, you’re the biggest crybaby I know.’ And then later, he’s like, ‘Yo, why’d you say that to me?’ But I know Dwight. It’s all good, but he is [a crybaby].”
DOLLINGER: From bad to ugly: Knicks, Nets nearing bottom

Carter, who scored nine points, had five rebounds and five assists in the victory, still maintained they were friends.

“I mean, he takes a lot of punishment, but I’m like, ‘Yo, c’mon Dwight, c’mon. You elbowed, you’re sitting in the paint the entire time. What are you whining about?’ He told me to stop crying. I was like, ‘What? Are you serious?’”

http://tracking.si.com/2013/11/21/mavericks-vince-carter-rips-dwight-howard/

I though I was a NBA nut, I didn't realise Vince carter was still playing, I had to double check it on google incase it was some dude with the same name, good for him, he was a great dunker, cant believe he is still around though. GH works
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 22, 2013, 09:13:15 AM
I though I was a NBA nut, I didn't realise Vince carter was still playing, I had to double check it on google incase it was some dude with the same name, good for him, he was a great dunker, cant believe he is still around though. GH works

Still playing.  Role player for the Mavs.  Not a bad bench player.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 22, 2013, 06:53:02 PM
Blight Howard and Wince Carter. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on November 22, 2013, 10:39:58 PM
Still playing.  Role player for the Mavs.  Not a bad bench player.

Is he same age as kobe?
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 25, 2013, 02:15:40 PM
Is he same age as kobe?

Carter is 36.  Kobe is 35, but he has a lot more mileage because of the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on November 25, 2013, 05:17:45 PM
Carter is 36.  Kobe is 35, but he has a lot more mileage because of the playoffs. 

Ofcourse, and kobe puts more effort and heart then Vince ever did.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 25, 2013, 06:02:18 PM
Ofcourse, and kobe puts more effort and heart then Vince ever did.

True.  That's why Kobe got paid today. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on November 25, 2013, 09:53:10 PM
True.  That's why Kobe got paid today. 

that's one hell of a payday, good on him for getting that much.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 26, 2013, 09:52:12 AM
that's one hell of a payday, good on him for getting that much.

Yeah.  I'm really rooting for him on his return.  If they're able to sign another star player next year they will contend.  Great way to end his career. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: arce1988 on November 26, 2013, 12:08:52 PM
 would have been nice to see kobe go
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on November 26, 2013, 03:25:00 PM
Yeah.  I'm really rooting for him on his return.  If they're able to sign another star player next year they will contend.  Great way to end his career. 

sign another player? with what money,kobe took it all.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 26, 2013, 03:47:01 PM
sign another player? with what money,kobe took it all.

Nah.  They can still sign a max player, just not two max players.  Kobe is the second.  They'll probably make a run at LeBron this summer, lose out, and have to settle for someone like Carmelo.  Not crazy about adding Carmelo. 

Honestly, I'd rather they wait till 2015 and get Kevin Love. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on November 26, 2013, 04:06:20 PM
Nah.  They can still sign a max player, just not two max players.  Kobe is the second.  They'll probably make a run at LeBron this summer, lose out, and have to settle for someone like Carmelo.  Not crazy about adding Carmelo. 

Honestly, I'd rather they wait till 2015 and get Kevin Love. 

he should of taken less to get 2 max players, wade did and so did Duncan.
Imagine Carmelo and kobe on the same team, my lord, I call that the titanic, kobe will be be chucking it when he can, remember his goal is to take over Jordan on the scoring list.

Carmelo in LA makes no sense, his shown nothing, this is his 10th year I think, if you give Joe Johnson of the nets 20 shots a game he would be a superstar.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 26, 2013, 04:38:35 PM
he should of taken less to get 2 max players, wade did and so did Duncan.
Imagine Carmelo and kobe on the same team, my lord, I call that the titanic, kobe will be be chucking it when he can, remember his goal is to take over Jordan on the scoring list.

Carmelo in LA makes no sense, his shown nothing, this is his 10th year I think, if you give Joe Johnson of the nets 20 shots a game he would be a superstar.

Kobe took a huge pay cut.  He was eligible for $32 mil a year. 

Duncan took an enormous pay cut, but his play had declined.  He has looked terrific since then.  But he also already had players on his team they were trying to keep.   

I agree about Carmelo.  He scores a lot, but he needs a lot of shots to get his points.  Doesn't play D.  Hasn't won in the NBA. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on November 26, 2013, 08:03:59 PM
Kobe took a huge pay cut.  He was eligible for $32 mil a year. 

Duncan took an enormous pay cut, but his play had declined.  He has looked terrific since then.  But he also already had players on his team they were trying to keep.   

I agree about Carmelo.  He scores a lot, but he needs a lot of shots to get his points.  Doesn't play D.  Hasn't won in the NBA. 

he was eligible, but he is undeserving of it, I have to say I like it when they sign big deals, im happy for them, Winning wise its not going to work, they need a point guard, and power forward and a centre. Forget Gasol, when kobe comes back his going to be useless, kobe is targeting MJ on the scoring list, that means a lot to him, and im sure Jordan isn't too happy about it.

I think Kobe should of looked after the lakers and given them a discount, now there are terms in his contract that have not been disclosed so maybe its not all guaranteed, anyhow I see a slow 35 year old man playing when he returns and then gets injured again like "I will be MVP" Rose..fuck Rose.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 27, 2013, 10:46:18 AM
he was eligible, but he is undeserving of it, I have to say I like it when they sign big deals, im happy for them, Winning wise its not going to work, they need a point guard, and power forward and a centre. Forget Gasol, when kobe comes back his going to be useless, kobe is targeting MJ on the scoring list, that means a lot to him, and im sure Jordan isn't too happy about it.

I think Kobe should of looked after the lakers and given them a discount, now there are terms in his contract that have not been disclosed so maybe its not all guaranteed, anyhow I see a slow 35 year old man playing when he returns and then gets injured again like "I will be MVP" Rose..fuck Rose.

If anyone can come back, it's Kobe.  If he does, he's worth the money.  He had one of the better years of his career last year. 

Have you seen Gasol the last few weeks?  Looks really good.  Balling again.  Might because he skipped international play this past summer. 

But they only need one other star player to contend. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 27, 2013, 10:48:46 PM
he was eligible, but he is undeserving of it, I have to say I like it when they sign big deals, im happy for them, Winning wise its not going to work, they need a point guard, and power forward and a centre. Forget Gasol, when kobe comes back his going to be useless, kobe is targeting MJ on the scoring list, that means a lot to him, and im sure Jordan isn't too happy about it.

I think Kobe should of looked after the lakers and given them a discount, now there are terms in his contract that have not been disclosed so maybe its not all guaranteed, anyhow I see a slow 35 year old man playing when he returns and then gets injured again like "I will be MVP" Rose..fuck Rose.

Kobe didn't deserve 24 mil a year?  lol.

You seem to forget that giant 3 BILLION DOLLAR tv deal that the Lakers recently signed largely because of Kobe.

This is what the Lakers offered him.  Should he have told them "no, no, pay me less".  Please.  Everyone is talking about all these max players that LA can bring if Kobe took way less money.  Who?  Lebron James isn't walking through that door.  Frankly, I don't even think Carmelo is walking through the door, not that I want him to anyway.  The Lakers aren't winning shit for the next few years.  Kobe earns every cent of his money and then some.  Pay him and at least you'll have some butts in the seats for the next couple years while you rebuild.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 27, 2013, 10:50:23 PM
Back on topic:

Blight Howard with only 11 points again tonight.  If that selfish ball hog Kobe would just pass him the ball.....

Oh, wait.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on November 28, 2013, 02:13:18 AM
Kobe didn't deserve 24 mil a year?  lol.

You seem to forget that giant 3 BILLION DOLLAR tv deal that the Lakers recently signed largely because of Kobe.

This is what the Lakers offered him.  Should he have told them "no, no, pay me less".  Please.  Everyone is talking about all these max players that LA can bring if Kobe took way less money.  Who?  Lebron James isn't walking through that door.  Frankly, I don't even think Carmelo is walking through the door, not that I want him to anyway.  The Lakers aren't winning shit for the next few years.  Kobe earns every cent of his money and then some.  Pay him and at least you'll have some butts in the seats for the next couple years while you rebuild.
Kobe is not worth that deal, box office wise I agree, they need a box office attraction to please that TV deal but there paying kobe for what he did in the past, how the fuck do you pay someone 48M who is 35 yrs old and coming off a devastating injury, and still is not playing. (I know they offered it to him, he was probably surprised too, but good for him)
I agree 10000% with your premise, but no free agent is playing with Kobe, Kobe is not going to avg 13 ppg his going to atleast avg whatever it takes to take over Michael Jordan in the scoring list. Players like Carmelo and Lebron no matter how nice they appear have big egos no way will they bow down to Kobe Bryant.

You make a valid point, but I know we do agree Lakers will not win anything as long as Kobe the ball hogger is there.

BTW NBA players like howard more then kobe, kobe is a wannabe MJ, howard is just himself, I know his a goof and smiles for no reason (offensively challenged, just as much as Kobe is defensively challenged) but players relate to him more, howard was injured in LA, kobe said "fuck the injury and play" not in those words but he said it, the only free agent lakers will sign is lamar odom the crackhead. If I was that TV network I would be calling the lawyers looking for loopholes ASAP.

Pau gasol is playing good now, fuck all that when kobe is back, I fucken guarantee it.



Dr Jerry Buss would of sent him back to Philly, its bad business to overpay him.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 29, 2013, 02:39:45 PM
Back on topic:

Blight Howard with only 11 points again tonight.  If that selfish ball hog Kobe would just pass him the ball.....

Oh, wait.

He's probably getting fewer touches in Houston than he got in LA.  And they're running basically the same kind of offense. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 29, 2013, 04:15:22 PM
He's probably getting fewer touches in Houston than he got in LA.  And they're running basically the same kind of offense. 

This just proves that Howard is the problem not Kobe the alleged ball hog.  Kobe the ball hog that averaged 6 assist per game last year as a shooting guard.

Blight thinks he's a back-to-the-basket center but he isn't.  He's a pick and roll center.  His stats on post ups are among the worst in the league.  Not only does he not often make his post shots but he has an obscene turnover percentage.  As a big man, if you want to get shot attempts you have to seal off your man, present a target for the passer to get you the ball, and then actually make baskets when you get the rock.  Blight Howard does none of these things and that is why his teammates are hesitant to give him the touches that he wants.  If he would be honest about his game he would be a better player.  Instead he fantasizes that he's Hakeem Olajuwon and blames everyone else. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on November 29, 2013, 05:21:39 PM
This just proves that Howard is the problem not Kobe the alleged ball hog.  Kobe the ball hog that averaged 6 assist per game last year as a shooting guard.

Blight thinks he's a back-to-the-basket center but he isn't.  He's a pick and roll center.  His stats on post ups are among the worst in the league.  Not only does he not often make his post shots but he has an obscene turnover percentage.  As a big man, if you want to get shot attempts you have to seal off your man, present a target for the passer to get you the ball, and then actually make baskets when you get the rock.  Blight Howard does none of these things and that is why his teammates are hesitant to give him the touches that he wants.  If he would be honest about his game he would be a better player.  Instead he fantasizes that he's Hakeem Olajuwon and blames everyone else. 

I agree.  Kobe has actually led his team in assists from the 2 almost every year as a starter. 

And Kobe was right about Howard:  he needs to play the Tyson Chandler role.  He'll never be The Dream or have a great offensive game. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 29, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
I agree.  Kobe has actually led his team in assists from the 2 almost every year as a starter.  

And Kobe was right about Howard:  he needs to play the Tyson Chandler role.  He'll never be The Dream or have a great offensive game.  

There's this guy Bill Russell who did pretty well for himself in that role too.

It's a shame the Dwight's tiny pea brain has turned him into a cancer that almost everyone despises.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on November 29, 2013, 10:27:28 PM
kobe is a ball hog, along with westbrook, only kobe shot 60 more shots.

6 assists, is great, he could avg 12 he had a better basketball IQ.

Howard is a great defensive centre, nothing else. I said he was offensively challenged. Kobe is a ball hog, this goes back to the Ron harper days where they used to freeze kobe out of the offense cause as soon as he touched the ball he wouldn't let it go.

same happens with Amare, I have been keeping a eye on the knicks, that team is in a living hell. Carmelol.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 29, 2013, 11:20:52 PM
kobe is a ball hog, along with westbrook, only kobe shot 60 more shots.

6 assists, is great, he could avg 12 he had a better basketball IQ.

Howard is a great defensive centre, nothing else. I said he was offensively challenged. Kobe is a ball hog, this goes back to the Ron harper days where they used to freeze kobe out of the offense cause as soon as he touched the ball he wouldn't let it go.

same happens with Amare, I have been keeping a eye on the knicks, that team is in a living hell. Carmelol.

With respect, what shooting guard averages 12 assists per game?  

Kobe's job is to get buckets and he's one of the best of all time at it.  He should be shooting the ball a lot.  While Kobe will occasionally forces up a bad shot, he passes the ball plenty.  I swear Kobe is the only guy in the league that will get 5 or 6 assists per game and be called a ball hog.  A lot of people have a personal dislike for him and they are in a hurry to find fault with the guy.  Michael Jordan averaged 5.4 assists per game for his career and you never hear the ball hog shit when people talk about him.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on November 30, 2013, 12:13:03 AM
With respect, what shooting guard averages 12 assists per game?  

Kobe's job is to get buckets and he's one of the best of all time at it.  He should be shooting the ball a lot.  While Kobe will occasionally forces up a bad shot, he passes the ball plenty.  I swear Kobe is the only guy in the league that will get 5 or 6 assists per game and be called a ball hog.  A lot of people have a personal dislike for him and they are in a hurry to find fault with the guy.  Michael Jordan averaged 5.4 assists per game for his career and you never hear the ball hog shit when people talk about him.

first of all we need to merge these NBA threads.

Pau gasol should take as many shots as kobe now.
Kobe is a all-time great, but lets get back to basics, pau was a big piece of those championships, ofcourse his on the decline, but kobe should feed him more his a great mid range shooter.
Did you say people never considered MJ a ball hog? I may have read it wrong, I believe he was, but pippen cant shoot, Longley couldn't neither.
Who did Jordan pass too when they won one of those championships, I think it was Kerr or paxson, I bet kobe takes that shot, kobe Bryant Mr 6-24 in a finals game bailed out by metta world peace.

You are correct kobe is a shooting guard, his job is to shoot, but last year with him having a career year they barely and I mean barely made the playoffs, only cause Utah froze in the last week and lakers crept in. Im going off topic now cause im now comparing him to mj which is just ludicrous.

I don't have a personal dislike about Bryant, I have his jersey albeit the number 8 but I have no issue personally with him, remember during the rape case, he went to court and flew back to the games, he would blitz everyone, he went on a 40 point streak at one point, im a laker fan at heart.
I just don't like him telling the media " howard should play through a torn labrum" not in those words but I know you know what im referring too, he does rub teammates the wrong way.

I read shaqs book, some players you could yell at and they would just brush it off and get motivated, but some players like Penny and Nick Anderson will run away and cry, Jordan punched steve kerr and kerr played stellar, Jordan cause of his history commands respect, most people believe its shaq that propelled kobe, shaq was a dominant force he would get them in a position to win, but his foul shooting was fucked so kobe picked up the slack, thanks to shaqs dominance and triple teams, kobe gets triple teamed and will still shoot. BTW kobe's shot attempts to assist ratio will be low..

Kobe is a ball hog, like Carmelo is, yes there job is too shoot, but when your losing, you need to change your game, you cant do the same thing night in night out and expect a different result..even us as getbig analysts know that teams will target the volume shooter knowing his mindset.

I have said enough, so you go, but I have a feeling were just going to go back and forth, but its all good.

Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on November 30, 2013, 12:58:18 AM
QB -Like you said, we are going to continue to disagree on this issue so there really isn't any point in going back and forth about it anymore.

Back on topic:

Dwight Howard is a douche bag.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on December 02, 2013, 11:40:58 AM
first of all we need to merge these NBA threads.

Pau gasol should take as many shots as kobe now.
Kobe is a all-time great, but lets get back to basics, pau was a big piece of those championships, ofcourse his on the decline, but kobe should feed him more his a great mid range shooter.
Did you say people never considered MJ a ball hog? I may have read it wrong, I believe he was, but pippen cant shoot, Longley couldn't neither.
Who did Jordan pass too when they won one of those championships, I think it was Kerr or paxson, I bet kobe takes that shot, kobe Bryant Mr 6-24 in a finals game bailed out by metta world peace.

You are correct kobe is a shooting guard, his job is to shoot, but last year with him having a career year they barely and I mean barely made the playoffs, only cause Utah froze in the last week and lakers crept in. Im going off topic now cause im now comparing him to mj which is just ludicrous.

I don't have a personal dislike about Bryant, I have his jersey albeit the number 8 but I have no issue personally with him, remember during the rape case, he went to court and flew back to the games, he would blitz everyone, he went on a 40 point streak at one point, im a laker fan at heart.
I just don't like him telling the media " howard should play through a torn labrum" not in those words but I know you know what im referring too, he does rub teammates the wrong way.

I read shaqs book, some players you could yell at and they would just brush it off and get motivated, but some players like Penny and Nick Anderson will run away and cry, Jordan punched steve kerr and kerr played stellar, Jordan cause of his history commands respect, most people believe its shaq that propelled kobe, shaq was a dominant force he would get them in a position to win, but his foul shooting was fucked so kobe picked up the slack, thanks to shaqs dominance and triple teams, kobe gets triple teamed and will still shoot. BTW kobe's shot attempts to assist ratio will be low..

Kobe is a ball hog, like Carmelo is, yes there job is too shoot, but when your losing, you need to change your game, you cant do the same thing night in night out and expect a different result..even us as getbig analysts know that teams will target the volume shooter knowing his mindset.

I have said enough, so you go, but I have a feeling were just going to go back and forth, but its all good.



What Kobe did last year was very impressive.  Their starting five of Howard, Gasol, Metta, Kobe, and Nash only started like six games together the entire season.  That's why they barely made the playoffs.  And the only reason they made the playoffs is because of Kobe. 

This is the same guy who took a starting five of Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom, Luke Walton, and Smush Parker to the playoffs, and almost beat the no. 1 seed Suns. 

And like Pray said, Kobe's job is to shoot and score.  He does it as well or better than anyone else in the NBA.  The fact he also leads his team in assists shows he's not just a ball hog.  He'd probably average ten assists a game if he had better shooters. 

They have some good shooters this year, so interested to see how he fits in with them. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on December 02, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
QB -Like you said, we are going to continue to disagree on this issue so there really isn't any point in going back and forth about it anymore.

Back on topic:

Dwight Howard is a douche bag.


lol   :D

I've been following the box scores.  He's scoring less than he did in LA. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on December 02, 2013, 02:21:57 PM
lol   :D

I've been following the box scores.  He's scoring less than he did in LA. 

And taking slight less shots than he did in LA too, imagine that.  Chandler Parsons took 20 shots the other night and I think Dwight took 6.  Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on December 02, 2013, 03:18:33 PM
And taking slight less shots than he did in LA too, imagine that.  Chandler Parsons took 20 shots the other night and I think Dwight took 6.  Hmmmm.

I'm convinced he didn't want the pressure of trying to fill the shoes of the great LA centers.  Pretty weak. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 03, 2013, 12:25:52 AM
I'm convinced he didn't want the pressure of trying to fill the shoes of the great LA centers.  Pretty weak.  

Im sure its not just one thing. he realised kobe was a prick, just like shaq and phil Jackson said. I trust Phil Jackson and Shaq's opinion.
Then too much pressure, cause the media will scrutinise every thing a all-star laker does.

Shaq did say howard is a garbage centre (not in those words) but he has no post move whatsoever, I thought he spent offseason with Hakeem..its all PR bullshit. 

 I know half of LA wanted him out and half wanted him in..remember the Dwight howard billboards...how sickening.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on December 03, 2013, 10:28:49 AM
Im sure its not just one thing. he realised kobe was a prick, just like shaq and phil Jackson said. I trust Phil Jackson and Shaq's opinion.
Then too much pressure, cause the media will scrutinise every thing a all-star laker does.

Shaq did say howard is a garbage centre (not in those words) but he has no post move whatsoever, I thought he spent offseason with Hakeem..its all PR bullshit. 

 I know half of LA wanted him out and half wanted him in..remember the Dwight howard billboards...how sickening.

Kobe just wants to win.  Coward couldn't handle his intensity.

The billboards were embarrassing, but I'm glad Kobe was the only one who didn't kiss Coward's rear end during that whole process. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 03, 2013, 01:52:05 PM
Kobe just wants to win.  Coward couldn't handle his intensity.

The billboards were embarrassing, but I'm glad Kobe was the only one who didn't kiss Coward's rear end during that whole process. 

sorry he did, during that free agency courting period Kobe, Nash and Mike D did kiss his ass. Howard took off, kobe unfollowed him on twitter.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on December 03, 2013, 02:39:45 PM
sorry he did, during that free agency courting period Kobe, Nash and Mike D did kiss his ass. Howard took off, kobe unfollowed him on twitter.

That's not what press reports said after that meeting.  People were even saying shit like "Kobe ruined it" because he told Howard the truth and didn't kiss his ass.

Back on topic:

Dwight Howard with 15 points and only 12 shots last night.  Probably Kobe's fault somehow.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on December 03, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
sorry he did, during that free agency courting period Kobe, Nash and Mike D did kiss his ass. Howard took off, kobe unfollowed him on twitter.

Nah.  You should read up on what happened during their meeting.  He reportedly told Howard he needs to learn how to win championships and that Kobe can show him how.  Loved it. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on December 03, 2013, 03:57:58 PM
That's not what press reports said after that meeting.  People were even saying shit like "Kobe ruined it" because he told Howard the truth and didn't kiss his ass.

Back on topic:

Dwight Howard with 15 points and only 12 shots last night.  Probably Kobe's fault somehow.

 :)
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 03, 2013, 08:40:01 PM
That's not what press reports said after that meeting.  People were even saying shit like "Kobe ruined it" because he told Howard the truth and didn't kiss his ass.

Back on topic:

Dwight Howard with 15 points and only 12 shots last night.  Probably Kobe's fault somehow.

I Remember that, Im wrong.

I did hear that kobe just told him "stay or fuck off" I think in those words.

BB and P4O I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 03, 2013, 08:44:48 PM
That's not what press reports said after that meeting.  People were even saying shit like "Kobe ruined it" because he told Howard the truth and didn't kiss his ass.

Back on topic:

Dwight Howard with 15 points and only 12 shots last night.  Probably Kobe's fault somehow.
its hardens fault :)
No point guard to feed Dwight, lin is out.
Howard is just a timid mutumbo, the media did make too much of a deal of him, Lakers should never have put up billboards to have him stay.

Kobe needs to entice free agents to LA, yes he does have 5 chips more then any player now, but if he really wants that 6th one he needs to get real help. Even MJ needed Pippen and Rodman/Horace grant.

I don't trust Gasol, his white and his old. Next season he needs to be backup or gone..(If they sign Carmelo, gasol will cry how he never shoots the ball)
I don't know who is available for lakers next year, I know lebron, Carmelo, wade..I can see Carmelo switching cause of the train wreck the knicks are and there tied up with amare's contract..He should leave but his apart of that mess, he is responsible for Kenyon martin and JR smith, he brought those losers with him. Why the fuck would you sign Kenyon martin, JR Smith needs to be in the D league with Gilbert arenas. Knicks should bring Gilbert back to the NBA.

Carmelo and kobe, 36yr old kobe, not enough basketballs. Remember Iverson and Carmelo in Denver, tragedy.
Tyson chandler would of been a great addition to the lakers. Dr buss made magic happen, jerry west too. I don't trust the current ownership knows what to do.


Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on December 03, 2013, 11:20:33 PM
its hardens fault :)
No point guard to feed Dwight, lin is out.
Howard is just a timid mutumbo, the media did make too much of a deal of him, Lakers should never have put up billboards to have him stay.

Kobe needs to entice free agents to LA, yes he does have 5 chips more then any player now, but if he really wants that 6th one he needs to get real help. Even MJ needed Pippen and Rodman/Horace grant.

I don't trust Gasol, his white and his old. Next season he needs to be backup or gone..(If they sign Carmelo, gasol will cry how he never shoots the ball)
I don't know who is available for lakers next year, I know lebron, Carmelo, wade..I can see Carmelo switching cause of the train wreck the knicks are and there tied up with amare's contract..He should leave but his apart of that mess, he is responsible for Kenyon martin and JR smith, he brought those losers with him. Why the fuck would you sign Kenyon martin, JR Smith needs to be in the D league with Gilbert arenas. Knicks should bring Gilbert back to the NBA.

Carmelo and kobe, 36yr old kobe, not enough basketballs. Remember Iverson and Carmelo in Denver, tragedy.
Tyson chandler would of been a great addition to the lakers. Dr buss made magic happen, jerry west too. I don't trust the current ownership knows what to do.




My theory is that it's not everyone else's fault that Dwight doesn't get more shots.  It's his fault.

a.  He hasn't been the same player since his injury in Orlando
b.  He is trying to be a back to basket center and he doesn't have the skills to be one
c.  He turns the ball over at about a 30% clip
d.  He commits dumb fouls and is often on the bench because of foul trouble
e.  He can't hit free throws so he is a liability late in games hence he doesn't get the ball

No more excuses for this dude, he's a grown man.  If you are truly one of the best players in the league then it shouldn't be up to everyone else to make you play well.  He would be better off if he just accepted that he is a pick and roll center and that's where a lot of his shots are going to come from.  That, and from offensive rebounds.  He balked when Kobe suggested he play the Tyson Chandler role but exactly what he's playing like for the last 2 seasons.  If he wants to be more than that he needs to improve his game.  Unfortunately, I don't think he can.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 03, 2013, 11:55:09 PM
My theory is that it's not everyone else's fault that Dwight doesn't get more shots.  It's his fault.

a.  He hasn't been the same player since his injury in Orlando
b.  He is trying to be a back to basket center and he doesn't have the skills to be one
c.  He turns the ball over at about a 30% clip
d.  He commits dumb fouls and is often on the bench because of foul trouble
e.  He can't hit free throws so he is a liability late in games hence he doesn't get the ball

No more excuses for this dude, he's a grown man.  If you are truly one of the best players in the league then it shouldn't be up to everyone else to make you play well.  He would be better off if he just accepted that he is a pick and roll center and that's where a lot of his shots are going to come from.  That, and from offensive rebounds.  He balked when Kobe suggested he play the Tyson Chandler role but exactly what he's playing like for the last 2 seasons.  If he wants to be more than that he needs to improve his game.  Unfortunately, I don't think he can.

His a athletic power forward, centre by default, I think he is 6'9. no outside shot or post move he can go to even with hakeem's help.
Yeah playing that chandler is more suitable, but his agents/business manager knows that will affect endorsements.

BTW where is Greg Oden? has he played with the heat yet?
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on December 04, 2013, 12:48:48 AM
His a athletic power forward, centre by default, I think he is 6'9. no outside shot or post move he can go to even with hakeem's help.
Yeah playing that chandler is more suitable, but his agents/business manager knows that will affect endorsements.

BTW where is Greg Oden? has he played with the heat yet?

I was just wondering the same thing.  I haven't heard anything about him in quite a while.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 04, 2013, 03:20:28 AM
I was just wondering the same thing.  I haven't heard anything about him in quite a while.

I like the guy, more then I like Bynum, Bynum apparently is completely fucked.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Pray_4_War on December 04, 2013, 06:00:38 AM
I like the guy, more then I like Bynum, Bynum apparently is completely fucked.

Sure looks that way. 

As a Laker fan I tried really hard to like Bynum but he was just too much of a dipshit.  I appreciated him playing hurt in the 2010 Finals.  He didn't play big minutes but he have us what he had.  However, his antics in 2010-11 put him on my shit list for good.  The team was really trying to feature him at that point and I thought he took a step toward being a real star but then his tiny pea brain got the best of him.  He started wanting to shoot three pointers.  He kinda punked Gasol after he got dunked on by Blake Griffin too.  Inexcusable. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 05, 2013, 01:14:03 AM
Sure looks that way. 

As a Laker fan I tried really hard to like Bynum but he was just too much of a dipshit.  I appreciated him playing hurt in the 2010 Finals.  He didn't play big minutes but he have us what he had.  However, his antics in 2010-11 put him on my shit list for good.  The team was really trying to feature him at that point and I thought he took a step toward being a real star but then his tiny pea brain got the best of him.  He started wanting to shoot three pointers.  He kinda punked Gasol after he got dunked on by Blake Griffin too.  Inexcusable. 

apparently his a academic dude. Bynum has degenerative knees they get worse every 6 months. Cavs can cut him after this year if they need to.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on December 05, 2013, 01:27:49 PM
I Remember that, Im wrong.

I did hear that kobe just told him "stay or fuck off" I think in those words.

BB and P4O I stand corrected.

No worries.  You are a good man.  (no homo)
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on December 05, 2013, 01:29:54 PM
apparently his a academic dude. Bynum has degenerative knees they get worse every 6 months. Cavs can cut him after this year if they need to.

I don't think Bynum will ever be able to play big minutes for an extended period of time.  But if he can give a good team about 20 to 30 minutes, he'd be really good. 

Don't like his attitude though. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 05, 2013, 03:01:05 PM
I don't think Bynum will ever be able to play big minutes for an extended period of time.  But if he can give a good team about 20 to 30 minutes, he'd be really good. 

Don't like his attitude though. 

I think he will eventually play himself out of the league.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: arce1988 on December 25, 2013, 05:20:49 PM
 :D ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 25, 2013, 05:25:38 PM
Where the freak is Greg Oden???
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on December 26, 2013, 11:35:43 AM
Where the freak is Greg Oden???

On the bench in Miami.  Participated in pre-game warmups yesterday.  My guess is he debuts after the All Star break?
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 26, 2013, 12:23:50 PM
On the bench in Miami.  Participated in pre-game warmups yesterday.  My guess is he debuts after the All Star break?

Im not sure what there waiting for, he has not played in years, that's enough rest.
May as well test him now. I have a feeling his bones are full of cracks, he will go for a rebound and pop a knee.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on December 26, 2013, 12:38:42 PM
Im not sure what there waiting for, he has not played in years, that's enough rest.
May as well test him now. I have a feeling his bones are full of cracks, he will go for a rebound and pop a knee.

I think he hasn't played in four years?  If they can get 20 minutes out of him, he'll be good.  But I'll believe it when I see it. 

I bet Portland would like to do that draft over again (taking Oden over Durant). 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on December 26, 2013, 05:37:45 PM
I think he hasn't played in four years?  If they can get 20 minutes out of him, he'll be good.  But I'll believe it when I see it. 

I bet Portland would like to do that draft over again (taking Oden over Durant). 

I think there in good hands now. I would of taken Oden, durant failed a few physicals with teams, oden was doing well, oh well. Durant is playing well, can kobe's knees/achilles chase that all season long. Cause D'antoni has no clue on how to set up defensive assignments.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: arce1988 on December 27, 2013, 01:19:53 PM
 glad to have qb and bb! awesome! you too 240!
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on May 05, 2014, 08:05:51 PM
Out in the first round.  D'Antoni gone.  Dummy should have stayed in LA. 
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Quickerblade on May 05, 2014, 08:18:34 PM
nice bump.

1st round exit in his prime is terrible.
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on May 28, 2015, 11:36:02 AM
Out in the Western Conference Finals.  But hey he's still he a "champion."  lol

Dwight Howard says he's still a champion, even though he clearly isn't
By Mike Foss
May 28, 2015
   
(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/usatsi_7831243.jpg?w=1000&h=750)

Following a sound drubbing in the Western Conference finals at the hands of the Golden State Warriors, Dwight Howard chose to remain positive.

Despite a truly unremarkable five games in which he averaged 14 points, Howard insisted that he would remain determined. He also insisted that he was a champion.

“It’s tough, but I won’t stop fighting,” Howard told CBS Sports. “I’m going to continue to push myself to the limit and remember that, no matter how the season ends, I’m still a champion. And I won’t let anyone tell me anything different.”

Here’s the problem with that statement. There have been many players who have won NBA championships since 1947. Those players are champions. Dwight Howard has never won an NBA championship. Dwight Howard is not a champion. Dwight Howard is almost a champion.

He wants to be a champion. He has the talent and ability and desire to be a champion. But he isn’t a champion. Because he lost.

Dwight Howard probably believes he’s a doctor too. If Dwight Howard says he’s a doctor, don’t believe him. He isn’t a doctor.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/dwight-howard-says-hes-still-a-champion-even-though-he-clearly-isnt
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Texas Ranger on May 28, 2015, 09:18:24 PM
Out in the Western Conference Finals.  But hey he's still he a "champion."  lol

Dwight Howard says he's still a champion, even though he clearly isn't
By Mike Foss
May 28, 2015
   
(https://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/usatsi_7831243.jpg?w=1000&h=750)

Following a sound drubbing in the Western Conference finals at the hands of the Golden State Warriors, Dwight Howard chose to remain positive.

Despite a truly unremarkable five games in which he averaged 14 points, Howard insisted that he would remain determined. He also insisted that he was a champion.

“It’s tough, but I won’t stop fighting,” Howard told CBS Sports. “I’m going to continue to push myself to the limit and remember that, no matter how the season ends, I’m still a champion. And I won’t let anyone tell me anything different.”

Here’s the problem with that statement. There have been many players who have won NBA championships since 1947. Those players are champions. Dwight Howard has never won an NBA championship. Dwight Howard is not a champion. Dwight Howard is almost a champion.

He wants to be a champion. He has the talent and ability and desire to be a champion. But he isn’t a champion. Because he lost.

Dwight Howard probably believes he’s a doctor too. If Dwight Howard says he’s a doctor, don’t believe him. He isn’t a doctor.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/dwight-howard-says-hes-still-a-champion-even-though-he-clearly-isnt
That shit is FUNNY AS FUCK!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dwight Coward
Post by: Dos Equis on May 29, 2015, 11:16:54 AM
 :'(

Dwight Howard suspended for Rockets' 2015-16 season opener

HOUSTON -- Houston Rockets center Dwight Howard has been suspended for the 2015-16 season opener because he collected his fourth flagrant foul point during the 2015 postseason, the NBA announced Friday.

Dwight Howard has been suspended for the 2015-16 season opener for collecting his fourth flagrant foul during the 2015 postseason. Andrew D. Bernstein/Getty Images
The league reviewed a common foul Howard committed while setting a pick on Golden State Warriors forward Andre Iguodala in the fourth quarter of Wednesday's Game 5 of the Western Conference finals and upgraded it to a flagrant foul 1.

Howard hit Iguodala in the neck area with a forearm with 3:35 to play in the fourth quarter.

Also, the league rescinded the technical fouls Howard and Warriors center Andrew Bogut received in the second quarter of Game 5.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/12974695/dwight-howard-suspended-houston-rockets-2015-16-season-opener