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so i just got my bloodwork back from the doc after a long period of typical low test symptons
have used ped's in the past, but haven't used them in at least 12 years
result: test level below the minimum range and a vitamin d shortage
i'm 42 years old and want to get on hrt (in the netherlands)
doctor consulted with a specialist and i have to get blood drawn again next wednesday to rule out a one time low test outcome
any advice on how to keep my test level as low as possible for the next week without any chemical help?
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If it's that low already at your age i bet it's going to stay that way.
Just see what results you get, i bet you're low enough to get on HRT.
8)
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i need it to be as low as possible coming wednesday ;)
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hm is it this wenesday?then its too late for this advice, just go there.
if you got 1 week time, inject a bunch of these withing 2 day timeframe:
tren a, test p, some anadrol pills.
thatll shut own production right the hell down and wont recover any time soon
LOL. Living the life!
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hm is it this wenesday?then its too late for this advice, just go there.
if you got 1 week time, inject a bunch of these withing 2 day timeframe:
tren a, test p, some anadrol pills.
thatll shut own production right the hell down and wont recover any time soon
that will be scenario number 2 if levels will be slightly above minimum wednesday ;)
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jesus christ, blind leading the blind.
no sex till after the blood work is taken. stay up later than normal before going to bed. you should be fine. don't listen to the idiots telling you to take anything.
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jesus christ, blind leading the blind.
no sex till after the blood work is taken. stay up later than normal before going to bed. you should be fine. don't listen to the idiots telling you to take anything.
I've read a study that abstinence from sex led to higher blood plasma testosterone concentrations.
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Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence.
Abstract
This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788
Maybe you should beat your meat like it owes you money :-\
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4-5 glasses of red wine per night will lower it.
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I've read a study that abstinence from sex led to higher blood plasma testosterone concentrations.
does it include masturbation? ;)
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4-5 glasses of red wine per night will lower it.
This sounds like a safe, fun, healthy way to accomplish his goals 8)
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so the testing didn't work out as i had hoped
my levels vary between just slightly under minimum and slightly above minimum (been tested 4 times now)
which means they won't help me because obvious;y my body does produce by itself
next step is to start using, don't want high dosages though and preferably as few orals as possible
any suggestions on types of gear and lenght of usage?
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so the testing didn't work out as i had hoped
my levels vary between just slightly under minimum and slightly above minimum (been tested 4 times now)
which means they won't help me because obvious;y my body does produce by itself
next step is to start using, don't want high dosages though and preferably as few orals as possible
any suggestions on types of gear and lenght of usage?
Testosterone.
Length of usage: life
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Testosterone.
Length of usage: life
This. LOL>
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Testosterone.
Length of usage: life
thanks ;)
what kind of test at what dosage?
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Eat black licorice
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thanks ;)
what kind of test at what dosage?
I read somewhere that most hrt clinics in florida start their patients off at 250mgs of cyp or enanthate a week. Seems like the place to be if you wanna get good drug hook ups legally since I've also heard oxycontin is prescribed like candy. Anyways, most people get hrt started off at 250 mgs every 15 days and seems to put them in the normal range. I'd start off with some test e or cyp at 250mgs every week. Should get your test levels way up and when feel you need a boost for muscle gains only then I'd consider upping the dose or adding in different things. For just health purposes and well being you might do fine on just 125mg a week.
Sucks you're forced to medicate yourself but this is a steroid board and we all do it :D .....just make sure to get blood tests regularly since this stuff can have negative health effects on some people.
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http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199910073411515 (http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199910073411515)
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so i just got my bloodwork back from the doc after a long period of typical low test symptons
have used ped's in the past, but haven't used them in at least 12 years
result: test level below the minimum range and a vitamin d shortage
i'm 42 years old and want to get on hrt (in the netherlands)
doctor consulted with a specialist and i have to get blood drawn again next wednesday to rule out a one time low test outcome
any advice on how to keep my test level as low as possible for the next week without any chemical help?
Same situation as me. 40 years old, test hovering between 190-220 pmol/l. So I also don't get a prescription. :( Also in Holland, btw. Was de befaamde Dr. Karstens er nog maar. ;D
I am going to start on 250 mg TE weekly, and run it for at least 6 months to see where I'm at then. If I can get by with less, then I will take less.
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Same situation as me. 40 years old, test hovering between 190-220 pmol/l. So I also don't get a prescription. :( Also in Holland, btw. Was de befaamde Dr. Karstens er nog maar. ;D
I am going to start on 250 mg TE weekly, and run it for at least 6 months to see where I'm at then. If I can get by with less, then I will take less.
lol we must have been eating the same nachos as i'm also planning to start with 250 mg TE on a weekly basis
ik heb een toch een vrij ruimdenkende huisarts maar het is inderdaad helaas geen dr karsten ;D
zoek alleen nog een goede bron, trainde 20 jaar geleden in de sportschool van arnold buurman dus de lijntjes waren toen vrij kort
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lol we must have been eating the same nachos as i'm also planning to start with 250 mg TE on a weekly basis
ik heb een toch een vrij ruimdenkende huisarts maar het is inderdaad helaas geen dr karsten ;D
zoek alleen nog een goede bron, trainde 20 jaar geleden in de sportschool van arnold buurman dus de lijntjes waren toen vrij kort
ik train al jaren thuis, dus een bron is dan helemaal lastig te vinden. Online kan goed gaan, heb 2 jaar geleden een kuurtje tbol gedaan wat wel echt werkte. Maar injecteren met iets waarvan je niet weet of het zuiver is? Mooi niet!
Er zijn wel disreputabele sportscholen hier, maar daar zijn de "lijntjes" dan weer lang en wit... ;D
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It's already low. I you take it first thing in the morning it will be at a higher point. So if they want you to take it first thing stay up the whole night do whatever you have to you wake up and your test is higher. Don't sleep for a couple days your test will be shot.
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Are you going to run HCG together with it? Looks like I'll do 500 IU twice weekly, starting week 2.
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Hahaha yes, all you need to do for the next week is;
Drink 5 glasses of red wine per night, (masturbating yourself unconsious in between glasses) stay up until 3am each night and you're good to go
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Hahaha yes, all you need to do for the next week is;
Drink 5 glasses of red wine per night, (masturbating yourself unconsious in between glasses) stay up until 3am each night and you're good to go
Yes perhaps wearing women's clothing (including lingerie) would further suppress this athletes natural test production as well.
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so the testing didn't work out as i had hoped
my levels vary between just slightly under minimum and slightly above minimum (been tested 4 times now)
which means they won't help me because obvious;y my body does produce by itself
next step is to start using, don't want high dosages though and preferably as few orals as possible
any suggestions on types of gear and lenght of usage?
Testosterone cypionate injections @ 200 mg a week keeps me in the high normal range. HCG 250 mg each of the last two days prior to testosterone injections insures I'm still producing testosterone naturally as well. Pretty easy routine with no negative sides for me.
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that's odd.
without any test, my levels are below 100.
and 200mg every 2 weeks puts me at 700+ (which is high-normal)... 3 days after injection i'm at 1400, which is well above high-normal... if I did 200 every week of cyp, the half-life build up after a few weeks would put be near 2000, more than double 'high normal'.
I was just under 300 without test.
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Testosterone cypionate injections @ 200 mg a week keeps me in the high normal range. HCG 250 mg each of the last two days prior to testosterone injections insures I'm still producing testosterone naturally as well. Pretty easy routine with no negative sides for me.
Have you experimented with other HCG protocols or test dosing? E.g. 100 mg TE twice weekly, with 250 mg of HCG on the day preceding injection? I would be going for the most stable levels, as I am prone to roid raging if my estrogen goes up.
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Have you experimented with other HCG protocols or test dosing? E.g. 100 mg TE twice weekly, with 250 mg of HCG on the day preceding injection? I would be going for the most stable levels, as I am prone to roid raging if my estrogen goes up.
I am not prone to "roid raging" so my protocol might be different from yours. I inject 200 mg of test cyp on Mondays. On Saturday and Sunday prior to the next test injection, I inject 250 mg of HCG per day. My one real ball seems normal sized or maybe a bit larger since it has to do the work of two balls. My moods are stable all week long with no highs and no lows, I am not currently taking an anti estrogen since I am not experiencing any of the effects too much estrogen. This not a unique protocol. Some endocrinologist who specialize in men's hormonal issues prescribe a similar regime.
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I am not prone to "roid raging" so my protocol might be different from yours. I inject 200 mg of test cyp on Mondays. On Saturday and Sunday prior to the next test injection, I inject 250 mg of HCG per day. My one real ball seems normal sized or maybe a bit larger since it has to do the work of two balls. My moods are stable all week long with no highs and no lows, I am not currently taking an anti estrogen since I am not experiencing any of the effects too much estrogen. This not a unique protocol. Some endocrinologist who specialize in men's hormonal issues prescribe a similar regime.
Okay, then I'll just take it from there. If I need even more stable levels I can always start experimenting. Starting next week, can't wait! ;D
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i got my TE 250mg/ml 10 ml delivered today
should i take 125 mg 2x a week or will 250 mg 1x a week do the job?
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i got my TE 250mg/ml 10 ml delivered today
should i take 125 mg 2x a week or will 250 mg 1x a week do the job?
250 once a week is good.
If you were using more than I'd consider it but don't even bother right now.
Have fun!
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250 once a week is good.
If you were using more than I'd consider it but don't even bother right now.
Have fun!
thanks !
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thanks !
Good luck, my first injection (also 250 mg) was two days ago. ;D
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Good luck, my first injection (also 250 mg) was two days ago. ;D
mine today :D
i'll update every now and then
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Good luck, my first injection (also 250 mg) was two days ago. ;D
Congrats 8) 8) 8)
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that's odd.
without any test, my levels are below 100.
and 200mg every 2 weeks puts me at 700+ (which is high-normal)... 3 days after injection i'm at 1400, which is well above high-normal... if I did 200 every week of cyp, the half-life build up after a few weeks would put be near 2000, more than double 'high normal'.
Never had mine tested outside of being a natural but my friend is like this. I guess some people just respond better to hormones or have better enzymes for breaking down esters. Single 250mg shot of testosterone undecanoate had him (her at the time) with test levels at 1200 after 13 days. Then another shot on day 14 and so on
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Congrats 8) 8) 8)
Thanks. I think. Why the uncertainty? Because in the last week my weight seems to be blowing up. I'm obese, so can't tell if it is muscle or not. :( Is it normal to jump in weight when you start test?
And no, I'm not eating more. My wife prepares exactly the same food in the same quantities. But instead of losing weight (about a pound per week) I've gained twice that in the last 7 days. Not good, I actually need to cut more.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2le6iqs.jpg)
First injected on the evening of the 20th.
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Thanks. I think. Why the uncertainty? Because in the last week my weight seems to be blowing up. I'm obese, so can't tell if it is muscle or not. :( Is it normal to jump in weight when you start test?
And no, I'm not eating more. My wife prepares exactly the same food in the same quantities. But instead of losing weight (about a pound per week) I've gained twice that in the last 7 days. Not good, I actually need to cut more.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2le6iqs.jpg)
First injected on the evening of the 20th.
Completely normal bro.
Steroids increase glycogen, water, sodium retention; some more than others making that weight shoot right up.
This is one of the reasons why some people suggest to be a bit leaner before going on so as not to turn yourself into bigger mess. Instead you can use some of the gear known to cause less bloating but in your case since already on, I suggest you cut the carbs down(will cause less water retention), increase your protein and lower those cals and concentrate on leaning out.
I made the same mistake when I went on btw,,,was like 15% bf and continued eating as I had before thinking that I would magically recomp, losing fat and adding muscle.
This shit works no doubt but without a proper diet and training regimen you won't be satisfied with your results.
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Thanks. I think. Why the uncertainty? Because in the last week my weight seems to be blowing up. I'm obese, so can't tell if it is muscle or not. :( Is it normal to jump in weight when you start test?
And no, I'm not eating more. My wife prepares exactly the same food in the same quantities. But instead of losing weight (about a pound per week) I've gained twice that in the last 7 days. Not good, I actually need to cut more.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2le6iqs.jpg)
First injected on the evening of the 20th.
same story here bro
i gained 2,5 kg since last friday, no changes in diet
will try to adjust my diet like borracho suggested
maybe i need to up the cardio and move around a lot more too :)
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same story here bro
i gained 2,5 kg since last friday, no changes in diet
will try to adjust my diet like borracho suggested
maybe i need to up the cardio and move around a lot more too :)
adding winstrol is what you can try.
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same story here bro
i gained 2,5 kg since last friday, no changes in diet
will try to adjust my diet like borracho suggested
maybe i need to up the cardio and move around a lot more too :)
Some may suggest an ai like arimidex but imo it can lead into the habit of relying more on drugs than maintaining a proper diet. I do much better with low carbs, and with gear the less of them I need for training and feeling well.
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Completely normal bro.
Steroids increase glycogen, water, sodium retention; some more than others making that weight shoot right up.
This is one of the reasons why some people suggest to be a bit leaner before going on so as not to turn yourself into bigger mess. Instead you can use some of the gear known to cause less bloating but in your case since already on, I suggest you cut the carbs down(will cause less water retention), increase your protein and lower those cals and concentrate on leaning out.
I made the same mistake when I went on btw,,,was like 15% bf and continued eating as I had before thinking that I would magically recomp, losing fat and adding muscle.
This shit works no doubt but without a proper diet and training regimen you won't be satisfied with your results.
This.
Use this time now to shred that fat. You won't lose muscle now with gear. Hammer out a solid keto diet and shred up bro. Seriously... I think it's dumb to start a cycle if you're already fat but if you are, be damn good with your diet and use this as a tool to reach a healthy lean weight.
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4-5 glasses of red wine per night will lower it.
yeah seriously. Do some heavy drinking
http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-4/282-287.htm
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Completely normal bro.
Steroids increase glycogen, water, sodium retention; some more than others making that weight shoot right up.
This is one of the reasons why some people suggest to be a bit leaner before going on so as not to turn yourself into bigger mess. Instead you can use some of the gear known to cause less bloating but in your case since already on, I suggest you cut the carbs down(will cause less water retention), increase your protein and lower those cals and concentrate on leaning out.
I made the same mistake when I went on btw,,,was like 15% bf and continued eating as I had before thinking that I would magically recomp, losing fat and adding muscle.
This shit works no doubt but without a proper diet and training regimen you won't be satisfied with your results.
Thanks for reassuring me -- and kicking me in the ass. ;)
As some background: I know it's not a magical recomp drug. I'm taking HRT (HRT+?) dosages for health mainly. I'm 40, cut down from 315 to 200 in three years time. Which is great, except that I felt like shit the last 1.5 years. Weak (bench down from 365 clean to maybe 255 clean), low libido, lethargic in general, etc. Had my test tested, and it came out borderline low. Low enough to be recognized as a problem, but not so low that I would be getting treatment. Basically I was told: "we'll keep monitoring it, and only when it goes below 180 ng/dl will we do something".
Of course I could have tried to artifically lower it for subsequent tests, and maybe I will in future, but right now I just want to feel normal again. It's just not right that being a 315-Lb fatass I felt much better and more energetic than a slightly chubby 200-pounder. I honestly enjoyed running more when I was 315 than now. :-X
So yes, I will cut further. But I hope you'll understand that weight gain freaks me the fuck out these days. My goal is to NEVER be over 200 again. So I am panicking now that I was so close, and see it slipping away...
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Thanks for reassuring me -- and kicking me in the ass. ;)
As some background: I know it's not a magical recomp drug. I'm taking HRT (HRT+?) dosages for health mainly. I'm 40, cut down from 315 to 200 in three years time. Which is great, except that I felt like shit the last 1.5 years. Weak (bench down from 365 clean to maybe 255 clean), low libido, lethargic in general, etc. Had my test tested, and it came out borderline low. Low enough to be recognized as a problem, but not so low that I would be getting treatment. Basically I was told: "we'll keep monitoring it, and only when it goes below 180 ng/dl will we do something".
Of course I could have tried to artifically lower it for subsequent tests, and maybe I will in future, but right now I just want to feel normal again. It's just not right that being a 315-Lb fatass I felt much better and more energetic than a slightly chubby 200-pounder. I honestly enjoyed running more when I was 315 than now. :-X
So yes, I will cut further. But I hope you'll understand that weight gain freaks me the fuck out these days. My goal is to NEVER be over 200 again. So I am panicking now that I was so close, and see it slipping away...
Props for losing all the weight you have already!
When you're ready in the future, it will be much easier to get those testosterone levels the way you need for testing purposes. Just skip an injection and wait a few weeks and the tests should come back rock bottom.
wrt the weight gain, I'm sure you have experienced daily fluctuations in weight depending on your diet. Those fluctuations will be ever more dramatic/apparent now with the bit of test you're taking so keep that in mind before putting something in your mouth ;D
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Props for losing all the weight you have already!
Thanks. The good thing is that my wife also lost a lot of weight. So I should be banging her brains out constantly. ;D
When you're ready in the future, it will be much easier to get those testosterone levels the way you need for testing purposes. Just skip an injection and wait a couple weeks and the tests should come back rock bottom.
wrt the weight gain, I'm sure you have experienced daily fluctuations in weight depending on your diet. Those fluctuations will be ever more dramatic/apparent now with the bit of test you're taking so keep that in mind before putting something in your mouth ;D
Never eating again! Going on the Galeniko diet starting right now. ;D But thanks for the encouragement. I will succeed, it's just taking longer than expected.
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Thanks. The good thing is that my wife also lost a lot of weight. So I should be banging her brains out constantly. ;D
Yeah, your wife and someone else is more possible now. :D
Never eating again! Going on the Galeniko diet starting right now. ;D But thanks for the encouragement. I will succeed, it's just taking longer than expected.
No faster way to get it done than the galeniko way.
"Never eating again"...sounds familiar lol.
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Thanks for reassuring me -- and kicking me in the ass. ;)
As some background: I know it's not a magical recomp drug. I'm taking HRT (HRT+?) dosages for health mainly. I'm 40, cut down from 315 to 200 in three years time. Which is great, except that I felt like shit the last 1.5 years. Weak (bench down from 365 clean to maybe 255 clean), low libido, lethargic in general, etc. Had my test tested, and it came out borderline low. Low enough to be recognized as a problem, but not so low that I would be getting treatment. Basically I was told: "we'll keep monitoring it, and only when it goes below 180 ng/dl will we do something".
Of course I could have tried to artifically lower it for subsequent tests, and maybe I will in future, but right now I just want to feel normal again. It's just not right that being a 315-Lb fatass I felt much better and more energetic than a slightly chubby 200-pounder. I honestly enjoyed running more when I was 315 than now. :-X
So yes, I will cut further. But I hope you'll understand that weight gain freaks me the fuck out these days. My goal is to NEVER be over 200 again. So I am panicking now that I was so close, and see it slipping away...
Do you suppose there is a relationship you being "slightly chubby" and your low test scores? You didn't mention your height but perhaps, your testosterone levels might actually increase if you dropped a few more pounds. How long ago was it that you weighed 315 lbs.? Age has a lot to do with testosterone levels as do many other factors including diet and stress levels.
My testosterone levels were just shy of 300. Fortunately, my urologist felt this was low enough that it warranted HRT. I am only supposed to inject 150 mg a week, but the way the testosterone is prescribed, I am able to inject 200 mg per week without running out between refills, so I do that and I basically lie to the doctor about it. In addition, I inject 250 mg of HCG on each of the two days preceding the testosterone injection to insure I am still producing testosterone on my own.
I will probably have to stop the injections a week or so before my next labs to insure my test levels are not too high. When I see the doctor, I stress the fact that feel good using the current regime. So far, this has worked for me and for him.
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Do you suppose there is a relationship you being "slightly chubby" and your low test scores? You didn't mention your height but perhaps, your testosterone levels might actually increase if you dropped a few more pounds. How long ago was it that you weighed 315 lbs.? Age has a lot to do with testosterone levels as do many other factors including diet and stress levels.
Forgot to mention I'm rather short, 5' 10.5". I'm aware of the link between fat and testosterone, but I see where your question is coming from. I'm middle aged, so I know natural test would be dropping now anyway. But I was 37 and 315, now 40 and 205. So I would expect it to be a few percent less (like in the various studies I read about this), not cataclysmically drop to borderline female.
So right now I would have expected my test to have risen slightly, losing this much weight; hadn't expected both my fat and my test to drop.
My testosterone levels were just shy of 300. Fortunately, my urologist felt this was low enough that it warranted HRT. I am only supposed to inject 150 mg a week, but the way the testosterone is prescribed, I am able to inject 200 mg per week without running out between refills, so I do that and I basically lie to the doctor about it. In addition, I inject 250 mg of HCG on each of the two days preceding the testosterone injection to insure I am still producing testosterone on my own.
Yes, read your protocol, and am copying this myself. :)
I will probably have to stop the injections a week or so before my next labs to insure my test levels are not too high. When I see the doctor, I stress the fact that feel good using the current regime. So far, this has worked for me and for him.
I might go that route eventually, by artificially reducing test further. But right now it is cheaper to buy it black market, and though it is technically illegal here, you wouldn't get more than a slap on the wrist. Probably not even a fine if it is clearly for personal use.
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so i got one sore nipple (queue bigcyp ;D)
should i start taking aromasin?
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I might go that route eventually, by artificially reducing test further. But right now it is cheaper to buy it black market, and though it is technically illegal here, you wouldn't get more than a slap on the wrist. Probably not even a fine if it is clearly for personal use.
My copay for 10 ml of test cyp is less then $25. Do you get it on the black market for less then this? How do you know what the quality is? Is it pure or adulterated. There are a number of reasons to be cautious about illegal medications besides the fact that you are breaking the law.
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so i got one sore nipple (queue bigcyp ;D)
should i start taking aromasin?
That one I haven't tried but seems to be gaining a lot of popularity.
I don't know how much excess fat you're carrying but if its too much I would take something now, in hopes you don't get gyno flare up once lean. Would suck to have to take an ai forever...
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That one I haven't tried but seems to be gaining a lot of popularity.
I don't know how much excess fat you're carrying but if its too much I would take something now, in hopes you don't get gyno flare up once lean. Would suck to have to take an ai forever...
i'm not particularly fat but in my training days as a youngster i always had one sore nipple (left)
i must admit i have quite a strong reaction to test e
i read up a lot about arimidex and aromasin and the latter comes out favourable in regards to gyno so i'm quite interested in your experiences
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i'm not particularly fat but in my training days as a youngster i always had one sore nipple (left)
i must admit i have quite a strong reaction to test e
i read up a lot about arimidex and aromasin and the latter comes out favourable in regards to gyno so i'm quite interested in your experiences
Like I said no experience with aromasin but I've used nolva, adex and letro. The letro you have to be more precise with dosing cause a little too much will have you feeling shitty and with achy joints. Adex I didn't have a good experience with but that could've been the source. Out of all three of those nolva is less harsh on your system and can actually have a positive effect on lipids. Nolva also targets the breast tissue, not reducing estrogen throughout the whole body...can be good or bad depends how you look at it.
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Like I said no experience with aromasin but I've used nolva, adex and letro. The letro you have to be more precise with dosing cause a little too much will have you feeling shitty and with achy joints. Adex I didn't have a good experience with but that could've been the source. Out of all three of those nolva is less harsh on your system and can actually have a positive effect on lipids. Nolva also targets the breast tissue, not reducing estrogen throughout the whole body...can be good or bad depends how you look at it.
cool, i've got nolva and clomiphene as a back up
did you take nolva while using test?
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cool, i've got nolva and clomiphene as a back up
did you take nolva while using test?
Yeah, worked good for test.
Might wanna look into surgery if you're in it for the long term though bro...
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Yeah, worked good for test.
Might wanna look into surgery if you're in it for the long term though bro...
so would you agree with the following statement
arimidex is an aromotase inhibitor and nolvadex is a SERM (Selective estrogen receptor modulator)...
When synthetic testesterone (in your case 250mg of test E) is introduced in our bodies, the compound aromatizes via the aromatize enzyme into dht and estrogen respectively. Both compounds play an important role in facilitating muscle grwoth as well as strength increases during training. However, excessive levels of dht and estrogen has some nasty side effects. High amounts of dht leads to androgenic side effects which include hairloss, aggression, prostarte hypertrophy and acne, while excess estrogen leads to water bloat and the condition known as gynocomastia.
To prevent androgenic side effects one usually makes use of finasteride which relieves the side effects of DHT (hair loss and prostrate hypertrophy) whilst on cycle. Arimidex on the other hand relieves estrogenic side effects by blocking the aromotase enzyme thereby reducing the overall levels of estrogen in the body..
Nolvadex on the other hand does NOT reduce estrogen levels in the body but rather prevents estrogen from binding onto the estrogen receptors in the body, especially those receptors in the breast tissue, thus preventing gyno...
However, nolvadex will do nothing for preventing water retention and is used ONLY when one has signs of gyno...
Arimidex on the other hand will reduce estrogen levels in the body and therefore decrease our chances of retaining water and developing gyno wilst on cycle...
In summary use nolvadex for gyno if it occurs and as a pct, arimidex is best to use on cycle....
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so would you agree with the following statement
Yes! Agreed with the above copy/paste x100
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Yes! Agreed with the above copy/paste x100
This.