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I'm not asking if you think he was God, just if he actually existed. Outside of the Bible, is there any evidence that he was real?
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Ask Coach. It depends on what's in his in-box.
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I'm not asking if you think he was God, just if he actually existed. Outside of the Bible, is there any evidence that he was real?
No
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are you falling into the popular trap of "God isn't real, Jesus was not in a real person in the bible and nobody in the bible was a real person"?
So, it takes until the 21st for people to proclaim Jesus wasn't real...
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I can't believe you're asking this question. How old are you and from what country do you hail?
Your question should be is there evidence that Christ didn't exist. His name aint Jesus. (white people translated it ::) )It's Yahshua. (LIke that's so fucking hard to say. ::) That's his actual Hebrew name in the language he spoke, Hebrew. There's is evidence EVERYWHERE he existed. But he wasn't some white guy as portrayed by Caeser Borgia. He was what is known to this board as a Neegul. They just hate admitting it.
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No
You're a dipshit and an idiot. Leave this thread before you contribute more ignorance. The actual fucking arrogance to say that without any proof or even attempting to provide any proof shows how lost you are.
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I can't believe you're asking this question. How old are you and from what country do you hail?
Your question should be is there evidence that Christ didn't exist. His name aint Jesus. (white people translated it ::) )It's Yahshua. (LIke that's so fucking hard to say. ::) That's his actual Hebrew name in the language he spoke, Hebrew. There's is evidence EVERYWHERE he existed. But he wasn't some white guy as portrayed by Caeser Borgia. He was what is known to this board as a Neegul. They just hate admitting it.
Hehe. So Jesus is Marvin Gaye!? ;D
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I can't believe you're asking this question. How old are you and from what country do you hail?
Your question should be is there evidence that Christ didn't exist. His name aint Jesus. (white people translated it ::) )It's Yahshua. (LIke that's so fucking hard to say. ::) That's his actual Hebrew name in the language he spoke, Hebrew. There's is evidence EVERYWHERE he existed. But he wasn't some white guy as portrayed by Caeser Borgia. He was what is known to this board as a Neegul. They just hate admitting it.
So if "Yahshu" was black, do you still think he was from Israel?
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Hehe. So Jesus is Marvin Gaye!? ;D
Haha. It's all fun and jokes till you're burning in hell...forever. Remember those words.
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I'd say he was probably real.
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Hehe. So Jesus is Marvin Gaye!? ;D
Still to this day, he gets a lot people to procreate. "ohhhhhh, JESUS!"
Yes, Marvin Gaye is the Jesus of the music world.
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Haha. It's all fun and jokes till you're burning in hell...forever. Remember those words.
I'll take the real Marvin and the real 'What's going on?' over any made-up nonsense. You take care, now. *Click* and enlighten yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-5c5o85SGo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-5c5o85SGo)
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You're a dipshit and an idiot. Leave this thread before you contribute more ignorance. The actual fucking arrogance to say that without any proof or even attempting to provide any proof shows how lost you are.
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You're a dipshit and an idiot. Leave this thread before you contribute more ignorance. The actual fucking arrogance to say that without any proof or even attempting to provide any proof shows how lost you are.
What proof outside of the Bible is there though? I am not saying you are wrong; I am just asking the question. I have heard of someone named Josephus mentioned as an additional source, but I am not sure how credible this is considered.
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are you falling into the popular trap of "God isn't real, Jesus was not in a real person in the bible and nobody in the bible was a real person"?
So, it takes until the 21st for people to proclaim Jesus wasn't real...
I don't follow popular trends , so some research for yourself. The evidence for a ' human ' Jesus is almost nil
Hell even in the bible it's next to nothing , the miraculous birth and the death and one mention in between
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I don't follow popular trends , so some research for yourself. The evidence for a ' human ' Jesus is almost nil
Hell even in the bible it's next to nothing , the miraculous birth and the death and one mention in between
Ouch. ;D
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Haha. It's all fun and jokes till you're burning in hell...forever. Remember those words.
Judge not lest ye be judged......? :-\
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a real person cant walk on water or raise up from the dead
ask any doctor
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It seems real to me. The guy's life is talked about, practiced preached and celebrated to this day. He did get beat like a slave, so maybe he was black. Doubtful though.
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You're a dipshit and an idiot. Leave this thread before you contribute more ignorance. The actual fucking arrogance to say that without any proof or even attempting to provide any proof shows how lost you are.
You're melting left-and-right no wonder conspiracy theories are popular with you , you're simple and emotional. and the irony of a believer demanding proof lol
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Haha. It's all fun and jokes till you're burning in hell...forever. Remember those words.
The Lord Bertrand Russell on Jesus
There is one very serious defect to my mind in Christ's moral character, and that is that He believed in hell. I do not myself feel that any person who is really profoundly humane can believe in everlasting punishment. Christ certainly as depicted in the Gospels did believe in everlasting punishment, and one does find repeatedly a vindictive fury against those people who would not listen to His preaching -- an attitude which is not uncommon with preachers, but which does somewhat detract from superlative excellence. You do not, for instance find that attitude in Socrates. You find him quite bland and urbane toward the people who would not listen to him; and it is, to my mind, far more worthy of a sage to take that line than to take the line of indignation
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:) Full LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-5c5o85SGo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-5c5o85SGo)
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I don't follow popular trends , so some research for yourself. The evidence for a ' human ' Jesus is almost nil
Hell even in the bible it's next to nothing , the miraculous birth and the death and one mention in between
you know there was this mention of Ramses in the bible...I guess he didn't exist either...wait, his mummy is in a museum.
And yes, you do follow the popular trends, even if you don't want to admit it.
It's cool, trendy or whatever to say, "God doesn't exist", and now the big thing (or push now) is "Jesus" didn't exist." Next it will be David, King Solomon, Moses (unfortunately, his fate is tied with Ramses)...
I find it curious, they there is big knock on the men, no one really talks about the women of the bible---that they didn't exist...I wonder, could this be helped along by feminists and their sycophantic male supporters and some scientists that want the men of antiquity to fall? Seems plausible.
Beware of agendas, because I think that there is one behind all of this.
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you know there was this mention of Ramses in the bible...I guess he didn't exist either...wait, his mummy is in a museum.
And yes, you do follow the popular trends, even if you don't want to admit it.
It's cool, trendy or whatever to say, "God doesn't exist", and now the big thing (or push now) is "Jesus" didn't exist." Next it will be David, King Solomon, Moses (unfortunately, his fate is tied with Ramses)...
I find it curious, they there is big knock on the men, no one really talks about the women of the bible---that they didn't exist...I wonder, could this be helped along by feminists and their sycophantic male supporters and some scientists that want the men of antiquity to fall? Seems plausible.
Beware of agendas, because I think that there is one behind all of this.
Ha! ;D
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There is some evidence, so barring more info I will have to assume he was as real as L. Ron Hubbard.
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you know there was this mention of Ramses in the bible...I guess he didn't exist either...wait, his mummy is in a museum.
And yes, you do follow the popular trends, even if you don't want to admit it.
It's cool, trendy or whatever to say, "God doesn't exist", and now the big thing (or push now) is "Jesus" didn't exist." Next it will be David, King Solomon, Moses (unfortunately, his fate is tied with Ramses)...
I find it curious, they there is big knock on the men, no one really talks about the women of the bible---that they didn't exist...I wonder, could this be helped along by feminists and their sycophantic male supporters and some scientists that want the men of antiquity to fall? Seems plausible.
Beware of agendas, because I think that there is one behind all of this.
you know there was this mention of Ramses in the bible...I guess he didn't exist either...wait, his mummy is in a museum.
That has NOTHING to do with Jesus. There is NO record of the Roman census that had Mary & Joesph returning to his ancestral homeland. Just because the bible mentions contemporary places & people is NOT proof of Jesus' existence
There was no census of "all the world" (read: the entire Roman Empire) declared by Augustus; at least, if there were, it's not mentioned in any Roman documents that we've uncovered so far. The census was of Judea, Samaria, and Idumaea--not Galilee (where Luke puts Joseph and Mary). Quirinius used the opportunity to also conduct a census of Syria.
The notion that each male would have to register in the home town of a remote ancestor is unbelievable. The entire Roman world would have been turned upside-down. There would surely have been records of such widespread dislocations, and there are none. Augustus was arguably the most rational of the emperors, and would never have ordered such an irrational thing.
Ancient census-takers wanted landowners to be connected to their land, for tax purposes. The census-takers traveled, not those being taxed.
And yes, you do follow the popular trends, even if you don't want to admit it.
It's cool, trendy or whatever to say, "God doesn't exist", and now the big thing (or push now) is "Jesus" didn't exist." Next it will be David, King Solomon, Moses (unfortunately, his fate is tied with Ramses)...
Ummmmmm NO I don't. growing up with a Catholic father and a Born-again Christian mother who used to take us to church , there was NOTHING ' popular ' about saying I'm an atheist. Now there might be more people comfortable saying this in this day & age but try it back in 1980s
And I hate to correct you again , but it's NOT a big thing to say Jesus didn't exist , it's a very old thing, you'd you know this if you did some research on the subject.
I find it curious, they there is big knock on the men, no one really talks about the women of the bible---that they didn't exist...I wonder, could this be helped along by feminists and their sycophantic male supporters and some scientists that want the men of antiquity to fall? Seems plausible.
Beware of agendas, because I think that there is one behind all of this.
The big knock is on ALL the characters of the bible , I don't believe in the virgin Mary or Lucifer or The Archangels. lol irony alert ' Beware of agendas ' yeah because religion has NONE ::)
If there was a first cause of the Universe(s) something people want to call God I don't have a problem with that. But the character God in the bible is a laughable joke and any first cause/God would absolutely be NOTHING like it. The God of the bible reeks of his lowly human authors infused with human emotions , like anger , pettiness , vengeance , racism , fear , and jealousy that's man projecting onto his creator all human emotions
The bible of the New & Old testaments has been OBLITERATED from a scientific & philosophical standpoint. Anyone who can still believe in this bullshit story is willfully stupid or plain lazy
Keep believing in your fairy tales just don't get angry when you get ridiculed for them.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJV2pWFyfn4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJV2pWFyfn4)
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Sad his dad killed him.
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That has NOTHING to do with Jesus. There is NO record of the Roman census that had Mary & Joesph returning to his ancestral homeland. Just because the bible mentions contemporary places & people is NOT proof of Jesus' existence
There was no census of "all the world" (read: the entire Roman Empire) declared by Augustus; at least, if there were, it's not mentioned in any Roman documents that we've uncovered so far. The census was of Judea, Samaria, and Idumaea--not Galilee (where Luke puts Joseph and Mary). Quirinius used the opportunity to also conduct a census of Syria.
The notion that each male would have to register in the home town of a remote ancestor is unbelievable. The entire Roman world would have been turned upside-down. There would surely have been records of such widespread dislocations, and there are none. Augustus was arguably the most rational of the emperors, and would never have ordered such an irrational thing.
Ancient census-takers wanted landowners to be connected to their land, for tax purposes. The census-takers traveled, not those being taxed.
Ummmmmm NO I don't. growing up with a Catholic father and a Born-again Christian mother who used to take us to church , there was NOTHING ' popular ' about saying I'm an atheist. Now there might be more people comfortable saying this in this day & age but try it back in 1980s
And I hate to correct you again , but it's NOT a big thing to say Jesus didn't exist , it's a very old thing, you'd you know this if you did some research on the subject.
The big knock is on ALL the characters of the bible , I don't believe in the virgin Mary or Lucifer or The Archangels. lol irony alert ' Beware of agendas ' yeah because religion has NONE ::)
If there was a first cause of the Universe(s) something people want to call God I don't have a problem with that. But the character God in the bible is a laughable joke and any first cause/God would absolutely be NOTHING like it. The God of the bible reeks of his lowly human authors infused with human emotions , like anger , pettiness , vengeance , racism , fear , and jealousy that's man projecting onto his creator all human emotions
The bible of the New & Old testaments has been OBLITERATED from a scientific & philosophical standpoint. Anyone who can still believe in this bullshit story is willfully stupid or plain lazy
Keep believing in your fairy tales just don't get angry when you get ridiculed for them.
A) so you're rebelling against family, great.
B) yes it is a big thing NOW to say that Jesus didn't exist, it's part of plan, man...
Whether it be religion today, family, or science in the future, the agenda is to get rid of authority, specifically male authority.
C) Ramses does have a lot to do with it. Because, people who proport that God doesn't exist, neither did Jesus exist, go in and say that the bible is nothing but made up stories that are not based on fact, and that everyone in the bible didn't exist...but Ramses did. Which thus, proves people wrong that nobody in the bible existed.
D) you make an assumption that I believe everything in the bible.
When I was a teen, I was arguing with family about the Moses making Red Sea split, and that back in those days we cannot assume the Red Sea is what it is today, and that there are scientific explanations for what may have happened.
The problem lies in the cynical, self centered culture built upon the ideals of the Baby Boomer generation.
"No one can tell me what to do", so therefore all "authority", from God, Jesus, Man, and the father, must be taken down, rediculed, jeered, and abhorred.
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I cannot say for sure if he existed, I do not believe the bible or gospels are infallible records, my own view or what I like to believe is he was a man of enlightenment, a mystic, a yogi of the highest order. Such a one would not believe in an eternal hell or an eternal heaven for that matter besides the eternal spirit that dwells inside and is the Kingdom of Heaven he talked about. I don't think he is the one and only son of god or that one can only be saved accepting him as lord and savoir. Liberation can happen to anyone from any tradition who is willing to surrender ego and undertake deep meditation. No one religion can claim the truth as solely theirs.
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I think he was a real person, if a little overhyped.
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Sad his dad killed him.
Just ordered the Pete Rose 'black ball,' so there's that. ;D
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Just ordered the Pete Rose 'black ball,' so there's that. ;D
Pete got caught rolling the Dice. A great player though and didn't even lift.
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Pete got caught rolling the Dice. A great player though and didn't even lift.
4K+ hits. ;D
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A) so you're rebelling against family, great.
B) yes it is a big thing NOW to say that Jesus didn't exist, it's part of plan, man...
Whether it be religion today, family, or science in the future, the agenda is to get rid of authority, specifically male authority.
C) Ramses does have a lot to do with it. Because, people who proport that God doesn't exist, neither did Jesus exist, go in and say that the bible is nothing but made up stories that are not based on fact, and that everyone in the bible didn't exist...but Ramses did. Which thus, proves people wrong that nobody in the bible existed.
D) you make an assumption that I believe everything in the bible.
When I was a teen, I was arguing with family about the Moses making Red Sea split, and that back in those days we cannot assume the Red Sea is what it is today, and that there are scientific explanations for what may have happened.
The problem lies in the cynical, self centered culture built upon the ideals of the Baby Boomer generation.
"No one can tell me what to do", so therefore all "authority", from God, Jesus, Man, and the father, must be taken down, rediculed, jeered, and abhorred.
A) so you're rebelling against family, great.
According to whom? you? oversimplification. No , I'm actually rebelling against the God story and tradition. You're only a Christian due to geography if you were born in Iran you wouldn't be a Christian. I decided to think for myself hence why I'm an atheist
B) yes it is a big thing NOW to say that Jesus didn't exist, it's part of plan, man...
Whether it be religion today, family, or science in the future, the agenda is to get rid of authority, specifically male authority.
If you really think about instead of just listening what evidence is there for Jesus? even in the bible? ??? There is the miraculous birth and NO mention of him again until he's a boy and than the death. the most important man who ever lived and no history of him? ::) Many contemporary writers in Jerusalem around the time Jesus was supposed to lived and performed miracles yet NOT one single mention of this man who would cure blindness? raise Lazarus back from the dead? Oh gee Lazarus you're alive again but we never hear from him again ::) give me a fucking break
I'll say this I'm open to the idea that Jesus may have lived and was a radical preacher but was just an only human but I just don't see much evidence for it. All the accounts of his life appeared decades after he died ??? Naw like my man Reeves used to say ' Fuck that noise '
C) Ramses does have a lot to do with it. Because, people who proport that God doesn't exist, neither did Jesus exist, go in and say that the bible is nothing but made up stories that are not based on fact, and that everyone in the bible didn't exist...but Ramses did. Which thus, proves people wrong that nobody in the bible existed.
That still doesn't prove the existence of Jesus , We know for a fact that that Pontius Pilate existed , we know there is NO Roman census that had Mary & Joesph return to Bethlehem , lots of historical facts in the Bible but using the bible as proof of Jesus existence is like using New York city , and the Statue of Liberty as proof that Spiderman actually existed
D) you make an assumption that I believe everything in the bible.
When I was a teen, I was arguing with family about the Moses making Red Sea split, and that back in those days we cannot assume the Red Sea is what it is today, and that there are scientific explanations for what may have happened.
There are NO scientific explanations for anything in the bible. And good think for yourself , religion hates that. I started like you as a teen to think for myself and came to the blatantly obvious fact , the bible is a book written by men.
The problem lies in the cynical, self centered culture built upon the ideals of the Baby Boomer generation.
"No one can tell me what to do", so therefore all "authority", from God, Jesus, Man, and the father, must be taken down, rediculed, jeered, and abhorred.
The problem is religion is losing to reason. tradition is losing to independence. Religion has stifled scientific progress at every turn , promoted that myth that humans can't be moral without fear of punishment from a angry God , prevented two adult people of the same sex from enjoying the same freedoms as them , Religion and God are out-dated and no longer needed , their threats eternal torture don't frighten anymore people are calling God on his bluff
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So if "Yahshu" was black, do you still think he was from Israel?
Bro, look at the words under my avatar. THE REAL HEBREWS are Black!
Let me explain some things for you friend. Because many things have been done on purpose to try and change history and cover up the truth. This will get your brain going and probably asking more questions which is a good thing.
Let's go to the Bible directly and read about the legendary Hebrews Israelites of the Bible...And contrary to what is being said, he race does matter. This is how you identify the Israelites today. Now, you may ask what about the word JEW. The JEWS are the chosen people. You are correct. Do you know what a JEW is? The Israelites are made of 12 Tribes...Thus, the 12 Tribes of Israel. The largest of those tribes is JUDAH.
You may ask how did those 12 tribes come to be? Jacob is the father of those 12 tribes. Because the tribes started off with 12 sons of Jacob. Jacob's name was changed to ISRAEL by God. From those 12 sons came the 12 Tribes of Israel. JUDAH is the 4th son. Judah is also the leader of the 12 tribes. The House of Israel was broken into two because it was so numerous. Judah and Benjamin became known as the Southern Kingdom of Judah. The Cohanim (Priests) of the Tribe of Levi were mainly present in the Land of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin, but they (Levi) nor Simeon received land inheritance because of their actions at Shechem (Genesis 49:5-7), but were instead scattered in the midst of both Kingdoms.
Judah
Benjamin
Levi (technically scattered and present in both Kingdoms, but mostly attributed to and present in the Southern Kingdom).
Of the 12 tribes, ten eventually split off at the end of King Solomon's reign and became the Northern Kingdom of Israel. The ten were as follows:
Reuben
Simeon
Dan
Naphtali
Gad
Asher
Issachar
Zebulun
Ephraim
Manasseh
So back to Judah. If you were from the house of Judah, guess what you called yourself......A JEW. NOT JEW-ISH. BUT A JEW. You were a Hebrew Israelite from the Tribe of Judah.
Many of you may wonder how the slaves could have been the nation of Israel when they were captured in Africa? First, let me say that the land of Israel is located at the Northeast corner of Africa on the border of Egypt which is in Africa.
When the Europeans, under the leadership of the Italians or Romans, invaded the land of Israel in 70 A.D., historians say that millions of the Black Israelites fled into Black Africa, especially Egypt, to keep from being captured by the White man.
Even before the Roman invasion, the Prophet Isaiah spoke about how many Israelites were leaving the land of Israel and settling in the African nation of Egypt. Years later, so many Israelites had settled in Africa, until they had formed well established cities there.
Read Isaiah 30:1-3, 31:1-3, and Jeremiah 44:1-30.
By the time the Europeans, under the leadership of the Italians or Romans, invaded Israel, historians say that over half of all Israelites were already living in Africa, mainly in Egypt.
Most of our people, who did not flee, into Africa, when the White man came, and stayed to defend our land, the land of Israel, after loosing the war, were taken as slave to Europe, mainly to Rome, Italy.
Shortly after the invasion of the land of Israel, the Europeans also invaded North Africa (mainly Egypt), and as a result, the Israelites were driven further south into the African mainly to Ethiopia. The Ethiopians started a race war there and drove our people into Northwest Africa.
About 1400 years after the 70 A.D. European invasion of the land of Israel (approximately 1500 A.D.), the Black Africans began capturing the Black Israelites they considered to be illegal aliens in their land and sold them mainly to the Arabs, who, acting as slave wholesalers, sold the Israelite slaves to the Europeans. The Europeans then took our people into slavery, from Africa, to the Americas and the West Indies.
The great secret about the slave trade is that it was not based on Africans capturing other Africans and selling them into slavery. But, rather, it was all African nations that were capturing another Black race who had come down into Africa but was not from Africa.
Both history and the bible prove that the, non-African, Black nation that was captured by the Africans was the original and true nation of Israel - the Israelites.
Now, In the book of Lamentations, (BIBLE) it is a book that mourns the destruction of the Holy Temple and the destruction of the children of Israel. Here is a passage.
Lamentations 4:8
8 Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.
Visage = face.
Lets go to the Song of Solomon. But before we do...Solomon was a great Hebrew King. He was also the son of the famous King David. That is the David through which Christ's genealogy comes from (common knowledge). Solomon built the first temple in Jerusalem. Solomon is the last King of Israel before Israel split into Northern House and Southern House.
Lets see what Solomon says about himself....
Song of Solomon 1
King James Version (KJV)
5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
He says right here. he's black but comely.
Comely = Good looking. Handsome.
He's saying he's black but he's good looking.
Let's have look at another Hebrew, Job. Job (long O., Like bo, not bob) Job was a righteous Hebrew man.
JOB 30:30
"My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned with heat."
No further explanation needed.
In Jeremiah 14:2 talks about Judah as a whole tribe!
2 Judah mourneth, and the gates thereof languish; they are black unto the ground; and the cry of Jerusalem is gone up.
Tribe as Judah were as black as the ground. Nuff said.
And finally, the big man himself. Known to many as Jesus the Christ. KING OF THE JEWS!
REVELATION 1
This is John the Baptist describing when he saw Yashua, aka.......Jesus.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
I've posted this verse more times than I can remember.
So, I can go all day but there you have it in short order. There are plenty of maps that show Hebrew settlements in Africa most recently as 1740s. which show a map of the Kingdom of Judah (my people, so called African Americans today) as the slave trade was happening. The Kingdom of Judah was on the slave coast. Collusion happened for money and fulfulling biblical prophecy was the reason. All involved include, Africans, Europeans, Arabs and of course the people you call Jew-ish today...The Khazars and sons and daughters of Ashkenaz (Europeans). We converted them to Judaism and they stole our identity. Simply put. You average Jew-ish people today will not know this and avoid the subject all together. These are the evils and truths of history.
Read Deuteronomy 28 for the prophecy. You'll know only one group of people on this planet can fit the description and guess who just happens to have no identity and culture prior to the slave trade...us.
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What proof outside of the Bible is there though? I am not saying you are wrong; I am just asking the question. I have heard of someone named Josephus mentioned as an additional source, but I am not sure how credible this is considered.
back 7 or 8 years ago when I was interested in determining for myself whether the bible was true or not I did some reading on the historical Jesus. There is some mention in a few manuscripts of "Jesus".. some of which is thought to be forged at a later date like a qoute from Josephus and some could be attributed to someone else. I concluded that there is not enough support to determine the Jesus character did not exist, however, apart from that, just about everything thing else was made up over time.
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One more thing Mclovin. It is estimated that were a total of 110 MILLION slaves transported over the slave trade time. How would one go about defeating a group of 110 million of God's chosen people or so called Negros? Do you really think dumb fucking Africans could have done it alone? Or even pre-colonial whites? It took a concerted effort and each country took their portion of slaves to make money of them and keep them under control. Hebrews are Royal Priests of the Earth and are supposed to be spreading the word of God. Christianity, Islam and modern Judaism branched from the Hebrew teachings. These teachings are in contrast to the way we live today. If we were out there preaching and people were following, the world would be a very different place.
We have been punished thanks to our forefathers for in essence, pissing off God by breaking his laws and covenant. The bible direct states, God said, I will make the nations forget who you are. What were the Hebrews doing to piss God off? Everything we do today...Homosexuality, idoltry, killing, lying, stealing, breaking the sabbath, eating pork, adultry, fornication, etc...This is our punishment to be brought down to the ground and be destroyed AS A PEOPLE.
This isn't forever in the end times (now) we would be woken up and remember who we are but we must follow the laws a people and repent for what we've done as a people and God will bring us back to our homeland. Until then, the Bible states, there would always be war in Israel with those who occupy it. (surprise). Jesus even states he knows the tribulations of his people but thou art rich. He states he knows the blasphemy of those that call themselves Jews but are not. Yes, all this is in the Bible.
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There's a guy down my street named Jesus.
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There's a guy down my street named Jesus.
Bodega. Natty Lite: 6x:4:55.
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The power of subliminal messages to get information through... ;)
On actual American cable TV...They know
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There's a guy down my street named Jesus.
classic ;D
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rather than debate or be an evangelical about what colour the god mans skin was why not use that energy to pray and meditate or do compassionate deeds.
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I can't believe you're asking this question. How old are you and from what country do you hail?
Your question should be is there evidence that Christ didn't exist. His name aint Jesus. (white people translated it ::) )It's Yahshua. (LIke that's so fucking hard to say. ::) That's his actual Hebrew name in the language he spoke, Hebrew. There's is evidence EVERYWHERE he existed. But he wasn't some white guy as portrayed by Caeser Borgia. He was what is known to this board as a Neegul. They just hate admitting it.
wait a minute.. do you mean that he was black like the ancient egyptians??..
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wait a minute.. do you mean that he was black like the ancient egyptians??..
Yes. That's no longer debated. The Bible states it. Egyptians are from the seed of Ham. Ham is the progenitor of all the dark races including the Egyptians, NOT THE NEGROES. In addition, history shows this. You guys...Arabs invaded in 692 AD. That's when Egypt became lighter and lighter. The remainder of the original Egyptians are in Sudan.
Egyptians enslaving Hebrews is the original black on black crime.
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Real person or not, he definitely pumped iron and was natural.
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A regular man, but unusually charismatic and approachable, a great speaker, philosopher and teacher.
The new world order of that time likely did not like his popularity and growing number of followers, and saw to it that he was dealt with.
But alas, what he had started could not be contained or stopped, and thus the new world order of that time hijacked his ideology, revised it, and turned it into a religion with the purpose of control.
The catholic church of today, churches, moneymakers, priests and popes and all of that was in fact something that Jesus warned would happen, and solely responsible for 800 years of dark ages as the mean of control.
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He sure has a hold on people... 2014 years strong
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He sure has a hold on people... 2014 years strong
except that "he" doesn't. People claim to follow his teachings but very very few do. Instead they cling to the concept of him in a general way as long as it doesn't conflct with their lives too much
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Yes. That's no longer debated. The Bible states it. Egyptians are from the seed of Ham. Ham is the progenitor of all the dark races including the Egyptians, NOT THE NEGROES. In addition, history shows this. You guys...Arabs invaded in 692 AD. That's when Egypt became lighter and lighter. The remainder of the original Egyptians are in Sudan.
Egyptians enslaving Hebrews is the original black on black crime.
serious question, what do you think was the color of adam the first man on earth??..
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there is no proof they were both white or any of them was white or black or whatever.. i think they carried the genes of all colors and they themselves were neither pure white nor pure black..
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there is no proof they were both white or any of them was white or black or whatever.. i think they carried the genes of all colors and they themselves were neither pure white nor pure black..
They were like prisms?
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Christian priests (These sick fucks) bend over children all day and molest them (while the Vatican pays off the victims with their large sums of money) AND Muslims bend over Muhammad five times a day (who raped and molested children just like the Christians)-- all the same shit different god.
Like every other major religious figure Jesus/Muhammad is the figment of a very creative human imagination. If these fockers were live they should have been stoned to death or nailed to a cross (pun intended) for leading such a cult.
What ALL the followers fail to acknowledge in the Christian and Muslim religions is that they are directly contributing to the institutional spread of systemic and systematic pedophilia habitually and consistently throughout known history.
Fuck this noise!
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Christian priests (These sick fucks) bend over children all day and molest them (while the Vatican pays off the victims with their large sums of money) AND Muslims bend over Muhammad five times a day (who raped and molested children just like the Christians)-- all the same shit different god.
Like every other major religious figure Jesus/Muhammad is the figment of a very creative human imagination. If these fockers were live they should have been stoned to death or nailed to a cross (pun intended) for leading such a cult.
What ALL the followers fail to acknowledge in the Christian and Muslim religions is that they are directly contributing to the institutional spread of systemic and systematic pedophilia habitually and consistently throughout known history.
Fuck this noise!
What did Hey-sus do? Chances are today, he wouldn't be stoned per se...
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How do I know if he was real or not? I was not around 2014 years ago. All I was saying is that a LOT of people still talk about him, all of this time later.
Now what do I believe? Zero. No religion. No God. No Gods.
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From a historical perspective the old testament, and its characters, is more accurate.
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Hehe. So Jesus is Marvin Gaye!? ;D
If you want him to be.
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serious question, what do you think was the color of adam the first man on earth??..
He was a black man. And if you give me this "ruddy" business know you will be defeated. There's what "ruddy" means now and there's what "ruddy" used to mean in the words of the white mans dictionaries old and new.
Black Genetics has proven to have the greatest genetic diversity. Why? Because They are dominant and from them comes every characteristic. Blue eyes, Greene Eyes, Hazel Eyes, Brown skin, tan skin, white skin, curly hair, straight hair, broad noses, thin noses, Brown hair, red hair, blonde hair. It's just a matter of mixing and matching and wala, you have a nice bowl of racial harmony.
Us, humans post flood come from Noah, 7th from Adam. Noah was an albino. He passed this genetic trait to his three sons. This is where white people come from it's called leprosy. There are clean lepers = white and black albinos. There are dirty lepers, people afflicted with vitiligo. And albinism can work in various degrees. It's not an all or none sort of situation. You can have the white skin but have pigmented hair and eyes.
Anyway throughout the bible you hear of leprosy well of course white people changed the meaning of leprosy. You can't be the supremely evolved people if how you got that way was a damaged "P" gene. Which in essence that's what it is a damaged melanin gene. So the definition of leprosy today means different that it used to.
This is the hard truths whites don't like thrown in their face but it is indeed the 100% truth backed by science.
So where'd you brown people come from? You came from blacks mixing with various forms of lepers and albinos. The original Aryans are Indo-A r y a n s from India. They are albino with red or white hair and blue eyes. So when people refer to Aryans this is what they are referring to. Albino East Dravidian Indians.
Confirmation that the White (Caucasian) Race is derived from Dravidian Albinos, is documented in the findings from genetic analysis of Y-DNA haplogroup "R".
Some here will think, they should have never taught that ****** to read. ;)
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Lots of proof posted in this thread.
8)
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So is wiggs implying that oeigionally thre were no whites and we all originate from nigs ?
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So is wiggs implying that oeigionally thre were no whites and we all originate from nigs ?
That is backed by science friend.
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That is backed by science friend.
not a fan of history so in im no position to dispute your claim.
Who really knows how everything came about.
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I don't say these things to be thrown in your faces gentlemen. I am a truth seeker and no matter how much it sucks for myself or anyone else, it is time for it to be heard. No more lies, word games, no more nonsense.
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That is backed by science friend.
Doritos + pot /= science.
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not a fan of history so in im no position to dispute your claim.
Who really knows how everything came about.
Wrong answer. I just told you DNA proves. Don't wiggle out of it because you don't like the answer deal with it. That's what has been the problem. It ruins your view of reality so you take a who knows stance. Well I know. And now you and the rest of the board knows. DNA proves it. The bible proves it. No other evidence needed. This is Getbig you know how everyone just loves a race thread. Why don't you think anyone is arguing with me? Because they have no firepower. It's the truth. Deal with it and move on. Just get these lies out.
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I don't say these things to be thrown in your faces gentlemen. I am a truth seeker and no matter how much it sucks for myself or anyone else, it is time for it to be heard. No more lies, word games, no more nonsense.
.Pictures are worth a thousand words.
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Doritos + pot /= science.
Truth hurts?
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.Pictures are worth a thousand words.
I didn't create that. Someone else did. But lol. No sir. You must sometimes be uppercutted with some truth so your eyes are opened. My job here is not to say who is supreme. Just clear truths, then get your white asses saved from hell. lol
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Wrong answer. I just told you DNA proves. Don't wiggle out of it because you don't like the answer deal with it. That's what has been the problem. It ruins your view of reality so you take a who knows stance. Well I know. And now you and the rest of the board knows. DNA proves it. The bible proves it. No other evidence needed. This is Getbig you know how everyone just loves a race thread. Why don't you think anyone is arguing with me? Because they have no firepower. It's the truth. Deal with it and move on. Just get these lies out.
haha i think you got the impression i cared either way.
I dont give a fuck if we really decended from nigs, im white with skin that turns a beutifull brown with a little sun thanks to spanish gran. I dont care if a couple of thousand years ago every one was a nig.
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haha i think you got the impression i cared either way.
I dont give a fuck if we really decended from nigs, im white with skin that turns a beutifull brown with a little sun thanks to spanish gran. I dont care if a couple of thousand years ago every one was a nig.
But you know. Mission complete.
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Truth hurts?
Pretty sure you can't get a Guggenheim, or a MacArthur, sitting on your ass. But let's go for it, eh? :)
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I didn't create that. Someone else did. But lol. No sir. You must sometimes be uppercutted with some truth so your eyes are opened. My job here is not to say who is supreme. Just clear truths, then get your white asses saved from hell. lol
It's all fun and games here wiggs you are a good poster. No matter what haters say. I got to check on Moses. Now I must prepare myself for Notre Dame and Michigan and switch back to Nascar racing now and then.
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So moving on gents. knowing what bass just said, yes, a couple thousand years ago, everything was black. As I stated, every major culture started black and was turned white when whites had the renaissance and white washed everything and tried to deface and destroy all black culture. It still happens today but is falling apart because evidence is being discovered whoever they is got to. Romans started black, Greeks started black, All of Africa including Egypt was black (surprise ::) ) all other major cultures. I have plenty of proof.
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Pretty sure you can't get a Guggenheim, or a MacArthur, sitting on your ass. But let's go for it, eh? :)
;)
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Don't be so racist Wigglet, you're not all black yourself, stud. ;)
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i think they carried the genes of all colors and they themselves were neither pure white nor pure black..
Lol what would this even mean, you dumb camel fucker? If they carried the genes of all colors then what, pray tell, would they look like?
Btw, what is "pure white" or "pure black"? Hint: black & white aren't races or ethnicities....it is outdated nomenclature attempting to make africans and caucasians seem as different as possible.
Go back to sniffing nassers thongs.
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So moving on gents. knowing what bass just said, yes, a couple thousand years ago, everything was black. As I stated, every major culture started black and was turned white when whites had the renaissance and white washed everything and tried to deface and destroy all black culture. It still happens today but is falling apart because evidence is being discovered whoever they is got to. Romans started black, Greeks started black, All of Africa including Egypt was black (surprise ::) ) all other major cultures. I have plenty of proof.
Those statues could just be white people with big lips and afro hair ( they do exist) ;Dw
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I think Jesus was real. Santa has already been proven to be real. Sounds stupid, but really think about it. The real man and the legends that surround him, are two totally different things.
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OK. Coupla tough trivia questions for the Getbig College Bowl thread participants. The Immaculate Reception? Scooped up by Franco and run into the end-zone, right? But who was the pass intended for? Second, MJ always played with #23, but what number did he play with, base-ball-wise?
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Kunta Kinte is still without those Bayer's made tablets ;D ;D ;D
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OK. Coupla tough trivia questions for the Getbig College Bowl thread participants. The Immaculate Reception? Scooped up by Franco and run into the end-zone, right? But who was the pass intended for? Second, MJ always played with #23, but what number did he play with, base-ball-wise?
Not bodybuilding or Jesus related.
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I don't care what color Jesus was or the original Hebrews, it doesn't negate the fact that blacks today act like uncivilized monkeys.
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Don't be so racist Wigglet, you're not all black yourself, stud. ;)
OUTED ;)
You are correct.
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I don't care what color Jesus was or the original Hebrews, it doesn't negate the fact that blacks today act like uncivilized monkeys.
These are the types of posts that make shit racist. Not all blacks act like you suggest. You cant make sweeping claims like that.
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I don't care what color Jesus was or the original Hebrews, it doesn't negate the fact that blacks today act like uncivilized monkeys.
You are 100% correct. You will get no argument with me there. But how do you think a people void of their culture and history and only a culture and history of slavery, violence, oppression and poverty will behave? Like this.
This is why it is important to know what color the real Hebrews are because it is my peoples culture and once a people have a history and a culture, they tend to want to follow it like I don't know, humans?
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I'm not asking if you think he was God, just if he actually existed. Outside of the Bible, is there any evidence that he was real?
Yes I do. Folklore is often based on reality. Jesus was more likely a "real person" then he was the son of God anymore than anyone is.
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OUTED ;)
You are correct.
1/4 of Kunta Kinte's DNA belongs to African savanna tree tribe ;D ;D ;D
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I don't care what color Jesus was or the original Hebrews, it doesn't negate the fact that blacks today act like uncivilized monkeys.
Stop insulting uncivilized monkeys.
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This is evidence? Looks like Squadfather. ???
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Stop insulting uncivilized monkeys.
No shit! I should be up in arms, but the uncivilized monkeys-thingy has me confused. ;D
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Those statues could just be white people with big lips and afro hair ( they do exist) ;Dw
;D ;D ;D
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So moving on gents. knowing what bass just said, yes, a couple thousand years ago, everything was black. As I stated, every major culture started black and was turned white when whites had the renaissance and white washed everything and tried to deface and destroy all black culture. It still happens today but is falling apart because evidence is being discovered whoever they is got to. Romans started black, Greeks started black, All of Africa including Egypt was black (surprise ::) ) all other major cultures. I have plenty of proof.
ahahaha! All worth shit all !
I'm sure there are hundreds of cultures started by blacks, in Africa alone, no doubt.
But the utterly triumphant, glorious, white secular culture, which ended up on top and dominates the world today, and which by the way benefits people all over the world today, was started by let me guess, aliens ,daemons or it too by various "master folks" from Africa?
White mans wizardry is absolutely required to make a culture dominant and lasting. As we now see without science and technology, a culture is little more than the ritual instincts of a lemming, leading nowhere, to no good, serving no purpose, other than the occasional sacrifice. ::)
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They say all life started in Africa. Ok, but they are not referring to homosapiens. They are talking way down the evolutionary tree. Almost monkees. No racist.
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They say all life started in Africa. Ok, but they are not referring to homosapiens. They are talking way down the evolutionary tree. Almost monkees. No racist.
Pretty sure you're a fallen leaf on that tree.
/me, too.
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Those statues could just be white people with big lips and afro hair ( they do exist) ;Dw
Just so you know, "afro" or wooly hair is the strongest genetic trait passed down from Negroid, Congoid or Black African people.
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Congolese Mbuti pygmy with other Africans was featured in an anthropology exhibit at the Louisiana
Purchase Exposition in St.Louis 1904, and in a "human" zoo exhibit in the Bronx Zoo in 1906.
;D ;D ;D
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They say all life started in Africa. Ok, but they are not referring to homosapiens. They are talking way down the evolutionary tree. Almost monkees. No racist.
If so seems evolution is racist how whites are an evolutionary step from black people
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It seems real to me. The guy's life is talked about, practiced preached and celebrated to this day. He did get beat like a slave, so maybe he was black. Doubtful though.
lolz
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If so seems evolution is racist how whites are an evolutionary step from black people
White race is an alien race.
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If Jesus had looked like this no one would have ever listened to him.
I wouldn't even buy a used car from someone who looked like this.
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If so seems evolution is racist how whites are an evolutionary step from black people
This is not proven.
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This is not proven.
let's just hope wiggs doesn't see this thread
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Funny how black people think jesus was black, how asian christians think he was yellow, how wetbacks think he was a wetback. Not sure evangelists thought it would turn that way. Oh well.
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Jesus never existed.
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good player didnt he sign for man city?
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good player didnt he sign for man city?
YES
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Funny how black people think jesus was black, how asian christians think he was yellow, how wetbacks think he was a wetback. Not sure evangelists thought it would turn that way. Oh well.
Wiggs Interdimensional travelers (aliens) J.C. is fluorescent green ;D
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Jesus was white and had a buzzcut.
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They used to say pontius pilot wasn't real but evidence other than the bible has been found.
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I'm not asking if you think he was God, just if he actually existed. Outside of the Bible, is there any evidence that he was real?
Yes Jesus definitely existed and there is proof of this. It's part of history
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Jesus had a white towel and let Mary Magdalene suck his dick under it.
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Jesus had a white towel and let Mary Magdalene suck his dick under it.
Any chance to see Maori version of JC :D
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I'm not asking if you think he was God, just if he actually existed. Outside of the Bible, is there any evidence that he was real?
Yes I think he was real. WE know the apostles were real historical people. So from that I infer that he was real. Either that or they all shared the same "group delusion."
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I think he was real. I also think Peter Pan and Santa Claus exist today. Nobody has seen them, but there around. I know this because there are stories about them in books. ;)
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LOL, you silly theists and your Jesus!! Go read a book about other ancient figures....there's so much more evidence for them than Christ.
Here's a link for whatever, whomever:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ)
Has all the normal back n forth, supporters, opposers, banal blither, yada yada....
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LOL, you silly theists and your Jesus!! Go read a book about other ancient figures....there's so much more evidence for them than Christ.
Here's a link for whatever, whomever:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ)
Has all the normal back n forth, supporters, opposers, banal blither, yada yada....
The problem is that the doctrine of Christ requires something of people. Something that they do not wish to give. Or if we are honest, something they would rather not give up.
And yes, He was and is.
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It's known that he was baptized by John the baptist and that he was crucified under Pilate. The part that's debatable is whether or not you think he's the son of God. His mere existence is not a big mystery though.
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REAL picture of how JESUS really looked like by EXPERTS: (Yes, you can Google this!!!)
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would you buy a used car from this person? ;D
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Maybe a Lada Kalina...
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Jesus had a white towel and let Mary Magdalene suck his dick under it.
You tell that to Him when you are standing in front of Him someday to give an account of your miserable self...
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Yes I think he was real. WE know the apostles were real historical people. So from that I infer that he was real. Either that or they all shared the same "group delusion."
WE know??? How do we know anything absolutely unless we were there.
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You tell that to Him when you are standing in front of Him someday to give an account of your miserable self...
I don't believe in final judgment, but the comment about Jesus and the towel was over-the-top, I agree.
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The problem is that the doctrine of Christ requires something of people. Something that they do not wish to give. Or if we are honest, something they would rather not give up.
And yes, He was and is.
You may not realize, but my response was complete sarcasm LOL!
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You tell that to Him when you are standing in front of Him someday to give an account of your miserable self...
You are going to hell for your lack of personality.
Hope this helps.
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You may not realize, but my response was complete sarcasm LOL!
Believe me my friend, I knew it. But mine was meant to convey something more to those that would rather feign knowing less.
Be well, sir.
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I'm not asking if you think he was God, just if he actually existed. Outside of the Bible, is there any evidence that he was real?
Yes:
Josephus Jewish Antiquities (c.93 C.E.)
(later interpolations in brackets)
"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man [if it be lawful to call him a man], for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. [He was the Messiah.] And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him [for he appeared to them alive again at the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him]. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this date.1
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Pliny the Younger Letter to Trajan (c.111-117 C.E.)
"...they maintained that their fault or error amounted to nothing more than this: they were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before sunrise and reciting an antiphonal hymn to Christ as God, and binding themselves with an oath not to commit any crime, but to abstain from all acts of theft, robbery and adultery, from breaches of faith, from repudiating a trust when called upon to honour it."2
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Tacitus Roman Annals (c.115-117 C.E.)
"They got their name from Christ, who was executed by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius. That checked the pernicious superstition for a short time, but it broke out afresh--not only in Judea, where the plague first arose, but in Rome itself, where all the horrible and shameful things in the world collect and find a home."3
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Sanhedrin 43a (200-500 C.E.)
"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu4 was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf. But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of Passover!"4
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Endnotes
1. Antiquities xviii. 33 (early second century) from F.F. Bruce, Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1974), 37.
2. Pliny, Epistles x.96, from Bruce, p.26.
3. Tacitus, Annals xv, 44, from Bruce, p. 22.
Talmudic designation of Jesus.
4. "Sanhedrin," vol 3 of Nezikin, Babylonian Talmud, edited by Isidore Epstein, reprint (London: Soncino, 1938), 281.
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Josephus on Jesus - Testimonium Flavianum - Arabic Version
"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to themafter his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders."
Arabic summary, presumably of Antiquities 18.63. From Agapios' Kitab al-'Unwan ("Book of the Title," 10th c.).
The translation belongs to Shlomo Pines. See also James H. Charlesworth, Jesus Within Judaism.
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Concerning Albinus Under Whose Procuratorship James Was Slain; As
Also What Edifices Were Built By Agrippa.
1. And now Caesar, upon hearing the death of Festus, sent Albinus
into Judea, as procurator. But the king deprived Joseph of the
high priesthood, and bestowed the succession to that dignity on
the son of Ananus, who was also himself called Ananus. Now the
report goes that this eldest Ananus proved a most fortunate man;
for he had five sons who had all performed the office of a high
priest to God, and who had himself enjoyed that dignity a long
time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high
priests. But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you
already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper,
and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, (23)
who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of
the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus
was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper
opportunity [to exercise his authority]. Festus was now dead, and
Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of
judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was
called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some
of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against
them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but
as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and
such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they
disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa],
desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for
that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some
of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey
from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for
Ananus to assemble a sanhedrim without his consent. (24)
Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in
anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to
punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the
high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and
made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.
Antiquities of the Jews by Flavius Josephus - Book 20, Chapter 9
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He never lifted.
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He never lifted.
Mark 9:27
But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him to his feet, and he stood up.
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He never lifted.
Mark 9:27
But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him to his feet, and he stood up.
AHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Yes:
Josephus Jewish Antiquities (c.93 C.E.)
(later interpolations in brackets)
"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man [if it be lawful to call him a man], for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. [He was the Messiah.] And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him [for he appeared to them alive again at the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him]. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this date.1
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Pliny the Younger Letter to Trajan (c.111-117 C.E.)
"...they maintained that their fault or error amounted to nothing more than this: they were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before sunrise and reciting an antiphonal hymn to Christ as God, and binding themselves with an oath not to commit any crime, but to abstain from all acts of theft, robbery and adultery, from breaches of faith, from repudiating a trust when called upon to honour it."2
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Tacitus Roman Annals (c.115-117 C.E.)
"They got their name from Christ, who was executed by sentence of the procurator Pontius Pilate in the reign of Tiberius. That checked the pernicious superstition for a short time, but it broke out afresh--not only in Judea, where the plague first arose, but in Rome itself, where all the horrible and shameful things in the world collect and find a home."3
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Sanhedrin 43a (200-500 C.E.)
"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu4 was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Any one who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf. But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of Passover!"4
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Endnotes
1. Antiquities xviii. 33 (early second century) from F.F. Bruce, Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1974), 37.
2. Pliny, Epistles x.96, from Bruce, p.26.
3. Tacitus, Annals xv, 44, from Bruce, p. 22.
Talmudic designation of Jesus.
4. "Sanhedrin," vol 3 of Nezikin, Babylonian Talmud, edited by Isidore Epstein, reprint (London: Soncino, 1938), 281.
How do you know that these were not later forgeries? Faith?
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How do you know that these were not later forgeries? Faith?
Ancients manuscripts and writings on papyrus have their age determined via radiometric dating methods.
Josephus was a jewish historian and although it isn't conclusively proven that he was or wasn't a supporter of Christ he did refer to Christianity as "that tribe of Christ's followers" (something like that....not an overwhelmly positive description LOL). His writings are extra-biblical evidence for the happenings of biblical events from a seemingly non-Christian source.
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Josephus never referred to Jesus as the Christ, and more than just a few words were added at a later date.. More was added to Josephus during the 4th century than was added to the Book of Mark
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jesus was a real person.
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Mark 9:27
But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him to his feet, and he stood up.
No, that was a metaphorical lifting of his spirits, achieved via bestowing him with knowledge of his salvation!
Cue centuries of static debate over passage whilst science continues to limn the structure of the universe and advance knowledge.
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GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O SCIENCE!!!!!