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Which is "better"?
I know this is a bit of a hard question
I am a powerlifter and fairly lean. I have the choice of 200mg/ml bold or deca. They are dosed the same and I'll only be able to afford to run 2ml a week of either. It will be stacked on top of testosterone (500mg a week) for a cycle leading up to a major competition next year in July. Yes- I am planning this real fucking early, haha.
I'll want to stay on for about 20 weeks
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Which is "better"?
I know this is a bit of a hard question
I am a powerlifter and fairly lean. I have the choice of 200mg/ml bold or deca. They are dosed the same and I'll only be able to afford to run 2ml a week of either. It will be stacked on top of testosterone (500mg a week) for a cycle leading up to a major competition next year in July. Yes- I am planning this real fucking early, haha.
I'll want to stay on for about 20 weeks
well if you HAVE TO go with one or the other and are only able to run 400mg/week then definitely nandrolone. If it's pharma grade it should give you some benefits, although the dose is pretty low. Bold, especially at that amount, would be a total waste of money for you.
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DECA
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Agreed Deca...you will get the added benefit of nicely lubed joints which is great for PL. I do love me some EQ though.
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I love nandrolone all this talk about it here is driving me nuts.
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Its a no-brainer. Go for the DD. 8)
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Thanks guys
Everything is from a south Asian pharmacy
Looks like I'll be going with the deca then
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Yup EQ is weak imo
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Sorry about another terrible question. Steroids in Australia are really expensive but if I can raise enough cash to increase my dosages what would be the best move?
All vials cost the same, thankfully.
Starting with 500/400 test/deca
+400 deca
+400 boldenone
+250 test +200 deca
+200 deca +200 boldenone
+500 test
What are the relative benefits of each move?
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Confusing question , just do 500 test 400 DECA for as long as you can afford it
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750mg Test 400mg deca would work out better-IMO, Or 750mg Test/ 500mg deca would also work out fine. Try to keep your Test dosage almost double your deca dosage.
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I love EQ but 400 EQ isn't going to do much if anything, and it's going to do even less for a powerlifter. Definitely nandrolone in this case.
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test/deca if you ask me just watch out your diet on deca.
Boldenone is a great component imho if legit just neededs to run it high and long.
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Thanks guys
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750mg Test 400mg deca would work out better-IMO, Or 750mg Test/ 500mg deca would also work out fine. Try to keep your Test dosage almost double your deca dosage.
and whys that? he can be on trt dose of test and 1G deca with great results
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and whys that? he can be on trt dose of test and 1G deca with great results
depends on the person. some guys can get away with using Deca only cycles but most guys get bad side effects when they use more deca then test. Best results I have gotten and most everybody else as using almost .25 more Test then deca.
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I talked to a national level strongman competitor and he recommended that I ran it like this:
Month 1:
Deca 400mg/week
Dbol 30mg/day
Month 2:
Testosterone 500mg/week
Tren 75mg EOD
And alternate back and forth like this making sure the month of my meets is a androgen months (month 2)
I asked about the long esters taking time to kick in and he said it didn't matter. I should point out that this guy is very big and very strong. I watched a video with clint darden recommending something similar also with long esters
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I talked to a national level strongman competitor and he recommended that I ran it like this:
Month 1:
Deca 400mg/week
Dbol 30mg/day
Month 2:
Testosterone 500mg/week
Tren 75mg EOD
And alternate back and forth like this making sure the month of my meets is a androgen months (month 2)
I asked about the long esters taking time to kick in and he said it didn't matter. I should point out that this guy is very big and very strong. I watched a video with clint darden recommending something similar also with long esters
I would double the doses on all that.
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I would double the doses on all that.
Even for a guy who is fairly new to steroids?
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Start small see how u react, each cycle more can be added.
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Even for a guy who is fairly new to steroids?
personally, yes... the "sides" aren't as bad as you'd probably think (what sides?? lol), and the gains would be much, much better.
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Yeah I wasn't concerned about side effects at those dosages for that length of time
Was more concerned about it just being overkill
Having said that though, I was going to do 500/400 which is 900 a week so doubling the doses of test and deca to 1000/800 would be the same amount
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Yeah I wasn't concerned about side effects at those dosages for that length of time
Was more concerned about it just being overkill
Having said that though, I was going to do 500/400 which is 900 a week so doubling the doses of test and deca to 1000/800 would be the same amount
I've never believed (well, at one time, I did... then I smartened up) that you needed to increase the dose with each cycle to keep making gains... this just isn't true.
I use the same amount now.... wait... no, I use LESS now than I did 10years ago and I still make gains.
I think the "prime" spot is around 4-5g's... in the past I've used 7g. but I look better now at about 20-25lbs less bodyweight and about 4% less bodyfat (which I maintain year round) using around 4g/wk than I did back when I used 7+... and back then, my diet was better. eating is a bitch when you're busy all day. i'm lucky if I get 4 training days a week, and since I do FSt7-style shit, my workouts are only about 30mins...... and I get even less done if my girl works out with me.
listen, if more was always better, I have enough stuff to run 20g/wk for years... but I don't. 4-5g or a few months, then back down to 1g for a month or so to "reset", mentally and physically, then back at it.
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I love nandrolone all this talk about it here is driving me nuts.
don't be so sensitive
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don't be so sensitive
I want some :'(
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I've never believed (well, at one time, I did... then I smartened up) that you needed to increase the dose with each cycle to keep making gains... this just isn't true.
I use the same amount now.... wait... no, I use LESS now than I did 10years ago and I still make gains.
I think the "prime" spot is around 4-5g's... in the past I've used 7g. but I look better now at about 20-25lbs less bodyweight and about 4% less bodyfat (which I maintain year round) using around 4g/wk than I did back when I used 7+... and back then, my diet was better. eating is a bitch when you're busy all day. i'm lucky if I get 4 training days a week, and since I do FSt7-style shit, my workouts are only about 30mins...... and I get even less done if my girl works out with me.
listen, if more was always better, I have enough stuff to run 20g/wk for years... but I don't. 4-5g or a few months, then back down to 1g for a month or so to "reset", mentally and physically, then back at it.
Well I'm not sure where this came from man. I didn't say that I needed to increase the dosages each time it was more me not wanting to use more than I needed. I also don't want to waste my time
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Well I'm not sure where this came from man. I didn't say that I needed to increase the dosages each time it was more me not wanting to use more than I needed. I also don't want to waste my time
I tend to ramble when I try to explain things.. sorry. lol
my point was, you'll be happier with the results if you double those dosages, and you can probably stay at the same doses for your next cycle and still continue to make gains.
I've regretted not using more, but never regretted using too much. doubling those dosages won't be overkill... using 7g a week, would (probably) be overkill. if that makes sense.
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Thanks man I'll bear this in mind
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i love nandrolone.
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is it a true story nandrolone surpresses natural test for up to 18 months?
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is it a true story nandrolone surpresses natural test for up to 18 months?
you can pass a dope test for nandrolone (oil based) only after the 3rd month of the last injection so there is no way its circulating in your body after that point of time.
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you can pass a dope test for nandrolone (oil based) only after the 3rd month of the last injection so there is no way its circulating in your body after that point of time.
but does that truly answer the question?
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You're gonna have to do a little reading yourself if interested.
Test levels after a 100mg nandrolone injections....
(http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/281/1/93/F3.medium.gif)
Plasma testosterone concentrations were most rapidly and completely suppressed within the first week after injections of the phenylpropionate ester (fig. 3; tables2 and 6), but this suppression was sustained for the shortest time. The duration of suppression was significantly longest after the gluteal 1-ml injection. Plasma testosterone concentrations returned to base line by day 13 after the phenylpropionate ester but required >20 days to return to base-line levels after the decanoate ester. Among the decanoate ester injections, both injection volume and site significantly influenced plasma testosterone concentrations (tables 3 and 6). Plasma inhibin levels after decanoate ester injections were suppressed to significantly lower nadir levels after 1-ml gluteal injection (fig. 3; table 6). Plasma inhibin was not assayed after nandrolone phenylpropionate (group 1) injection.
http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/content/281/1/93.full
18 months is the amount of time nandrolone has been detectable in drug tests. Own recovery will vary I'm sure but you're a lifer now, no need to concern yourself with these things.
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I'm finally going to use deca at a lower body fat than I've ever been. Using eq now and the only thing that jumps out is vascularity. Nandrolone is truly an awesome healing compound like no other. I still get sore for days on eq, but with deca you forget what being sore actually feels like.
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is it a true story nandrolone surpresses natural test for up to 18 months?
Anecdotally it's harder than other steroids. I think this is just because it shrinks your nuts more than most steroids.
Run some IGF-1, or insulin if you can't get hold of IGF-1 (it's mostly fake but even the fake shit works fairly well- can only imagine what REAL IGF-1 is like haha) - this will hypertrophy your testicles very quickly
Take clomid to bring the balls back and hcg to emulate the balls job
Tamoxifen to stop estrogen running rampant
You can also run something non suppressive like proviron or arimistane
Should get you back up and running very fast, especially if you start this after your last injection
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With the Tren being thrown in the 2nd month, why even bother with either of those - just stick to test/tren throughout cycle.
Bold - a waste IF less than 600mg weekly.
Nandro - stronger and preferred over bold if what you are looking for is strictly strength. It also adds a nice touch to the physique.
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Because strength athletes get better results using them to supplement their training cycles. So you alternate anabolics with androgens
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A little late to this, but it seems like most people will have a strong preference one way or another. Never talked to anyone that liked them both equally.
Deca blows EQ away, in my opinion. Builds muscle, increases strength, and gives me a nice assertive edge while taking it. EQ is just mild all around, both in terms of side effects and results.
I would still like to try Fort Dodge or Peso Pesado EQ sometime...a friend of mine said it blew away any UGL EQ he's ever tried, even at 1/6 of the dosage (Fort Dodge is dosed at 50mg/ml compared to 300mg/ml for UGL stuff)
(http://i.imgur.com/nC5I9yD.jpg)
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depends on the person. some guys can get away with using Deca only cycles but most guys get bad side effects when they use more deca then test. Best results I have gotten and most everybody else as using almost .25 more Test then deca.
I agree.. I had to always use a 2:1 ratio with test and deca otherwise I would be playing pool with a rope