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Title: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 05:34:22 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2434278/Kenya-mall-attack-torture-claims-emerge-soldiers-Eyes-gouged-bodies-hooks-fingers-removed.html


Religion of Peace . . . . . .
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 05:36:56 AM
'Eyes gouged out, bodies hanging from hooks, and fingers removed with pliers': Horrific claims of torture emerge as soldiers reveal gory Kenyan mall massacre details

Kenyan soldiers claim to find scenes of torture by mall terrorists

They say children found dead in food fridges with knives still in bodies

Men were said to have been castrated and had fingers removed

By Paul Bentley

PUBLISHED: 17:56 EST, 26 September 2013  | UPDATED: 05:16 EST, 27 September 2013 


 
 
 
 
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Soldiers told of the horrific torture meted out by terrorists in the Nairobi mall massacre yesterday with claims hostages were dismembered, had their eyes gouged out and were left hanging from hooks in the ceiling.

Men were said to have been castrated and had fingers removed with pliers before being blinded and hanged.


Children were found dead in the food court fridges with knives still embedded in their bodies, it was claimed.


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Soldiers told of the horrific torture meted out by terrorists in the Nairobi mall massacre yesterday with claims hostages were dismembered, had their eyes gouged out and were left hanging from hooks in the ceiling
Soldiers have told of the horrific torture meted out by terrorists in the Nairobi mall massacre yesterday as the first pictures of inside the centre have emerged




Most of the defeated terrorists, meanwhile, were reportedly discovered ‘burnt to ashes’, set alight by the last extremist standing to try to protect their identities.

The horrifying details came yesterday as the first pictures emerged from within the wreckage of the building, showing piles of bodies left strewn across the floor.


A third of the mall was destroyed in the battle between terrorists and Kenyan troops.



 


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Lying in the rubble are feared to be the bodies of as many as 71 civilians who have been declared missing by the Kenyan Red Cross.

With detectives, including the FBI and the Metropolitan Police, still unable to reach the wrecked part of the mall for fear of setting off explosives, it could take up to a week to determine exactly who is still inside.

   




Security forces storm Kenya mall as building burns in siege

 
 
 



Men were said to have been castrated and had fingers removed with pliers before being blinded and hanged during the four day siege 
Men were said to have been castrated and had fingers removed with pliers before being blinded and hanged during the four day siege



Pictured is the aftermath at Westgate Shopping Mall where the roof of the car park collapsed crushing three floors 
Pictured is the aftermath at Westgate Shopping Mall where the roof of the car park collapsed crushing three floors




Yesterday, soldiers and doctors who were among the first people into the mall after it was reclaimed on Tuesday, spoke of the horrifying scenes inside.

‘You find people with hooks hanging from the roof,’ said one Kenyan doctor, who asked not to be named.

‘They removed eyes, ears, nose. They get your hand and sharpen it like a pencil then they tell you to write your name with the blood.

‘They drive knives inside a child’s body.


'Actually if you look at all the bodies, unless those ones that were escaping, fingers are cut by pliers, the noses are ripped by pliers. Here it was pain.’

A soldier, who took pictures at a bread counter and at the ArtCaffe, said he was so traumatised by what he saw he has had to seek counselling.

Bomb disposal experts with sniffer dogs were yesterday painstakingly combing the part of the building still standing for explosives before clearing forensic officers, police and troops to search for bodies.


 




Footage shows full extent of destruction to Westgate mall

 
 
 



Yesterday, soldiers and doctors who were among the first people into the mall after it was reclaimed on Tuesday, spoke of the horrifying scenes inside
Yesterday, soldiers and doctors who were among the first people into the mall after it was reclaimed on Tuesday, spoke of the horrifying scenes inside



Bomb disposal experts with sniffer dogs were yesterday painstakingly combing the part of the building still standing for explosives before clearing forensic officers, police and troops to search for bodies
Bomb disposal experts with sniffer dogs were yesterday painstakingly combing the part of the building still standing for explosives before clearing forensic officers, police and troops to search for bodies



The collapse happened on Monday when government troops launched a massive assault on the mall where up to 150 people are thought to have been killed
The collapse happened on Monday when government troops launched a massive assault on the mall where up to 150 people are thought to have been killed


Images also emerged yesterday revealing the true extent of the destruction caused to the centre during the four-day battle between Kenyan forces and Islamic militants.


The first pictures taken inside the site show a gaping hole in the mall's roof after three storeys collapsed when Kenyan soldiers fired rocket-propelled grenades inside the complex, knocking out a support column, a government official said.


Children's buggies are left abandoned just metres from the yawning pit, as cars hang precariously over the edge. Beneath many more vehicles lie on top of each other, smashed to pieces.

The collapse happened on Monday when government troops launched a massive assault on the mall where up to 150 people are thought to have been killed.

During the firefight, hostages reportedly had their throats slashed from ear to ear and were thrown screaming from third-floor balconies as the siege came to a bloody end. Forensics teams, still sifting through the mountains of rubble, fear many more bodies are yet to be found.


Shell-shocked Kenyan troops said the inside of the Israeli-run mall resembled a ‘scene from a horror movie’ with blood spattered everywhere and dead bodies strewn across the floor.



Between 10 and 15 terrorists are thought to have stormed the mall on Saturday, according to Kenyan officials. The police said five insurgents were killed in the battle and at least 10 taken into custody
Between 10 and 15 terrorists are thought to have stormed the mall on Saturday, according to Kenyan officials. The police said five insurgents were killed in the battle and at least 10 taken into custody


The main thrust of the operation began at 6am on Monday when troops and helicopters surrounded the building, but their efforts were hampered by an Al Shabaab sniper who managed to pin them back for nearly 24 hours.


As tear gas was used to try to flush him out, another terrorist reportedly blew himself up. It is believed the resulting fire may have killed dozens of shoppers in a supermarket. 


The following day, the soldiers were ordered to adopt a 'shoot to kill' policy and launched their final attack on the terror group on the roof of the mall at 5pm.

The mall was retaken about half an hour later.



 


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Between 10 and 15 terrorists are thought to have stormed the mall on Saturday, according to Kenyan officials.


The police said five insurgents were killed in the battle and at least 10 taken into custody.


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Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 27, 2013, 07:05:59 AM
Oh those 'youths', they are such rascals!
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 10:18:54 AM
http://totallycoolpix.com/2013/09/graphic-the-westgate-shopping-center-shootings-in-kenya


Obama Islamic buddies
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 10:20:24 AM
http://totallycoolpix.com/2013/09/graphic-the-westgate-shopping-center-shootings-in-kenya


Obama Islamic buddies

you have more in common with these people than Obama
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 10:22:56 AM
you have more in common with these people than Obama


LOL - has the Imam in Chief ever one denounced these animals and maggots?
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 10:29:55 AM

LOL - has the Imam in Chief ever one denounced these animals and maggots?

only all the time

even if you saw a video of him saying so you still wouldn't be able to "see" it due to you well known mental health problems
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 10:32:17 AM
only all the time

even if you saw a video of him saying so you still wouldn't be able to "see" it due to you well known mental health problems

3 of these somalian jackals were from this country.   We keep importing this filth why?    Should close the damn country to these muslim shit stains
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Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 10:35:51 AM
3 of these somalian jackals were from this country.   We keep importing this filth why?    Should close the damn country to these muslim shit stains

brilliant statements like this show why you're such a successful attorney

Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 11:24:39 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10333477/After-Kenya-no-more-turning-the-other-cheek-to-those-who-hate-us.html


boooommm   -dead on. 


Leftists are cowards and scared to death to call out the muslim filth for what they are. 
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 27, 2013, 11:43:18 AM
Oh those 'youths', they are such rascals!

lol

so true
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 11:52:04 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10333477/After-Kenya-no-more-turning-the-other-cheek-to-those-who-hate-us.html


boooommm   -dead on. 


Leftists are cowards and scared to death to call out the muslim filth for what they are. 

I agree with this.  The left is so afraid of being called racist, intolerant or islamaphobic that they go out of their way to embrace a group of people with an ideology in contradiction with the western values of democracy and equality.   This kind of self delusion is most evident in feminists and gays, two groups who would certainly not receive tolerance in the Muslim world.
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 12:01:05 PM
I agree with this.  The left is so afraid of being called racist, intolerant or islamaphobic that they go out of their way to embrace a group of people with an ideology in contradiction with the western values of democracy and equality.   This kind of self delusion is most evident in feminists and gays, two groups who would certainly not receive tolerance in the Muslim world.

are you suggesting that any statement in support of religious tolerance for Muslims is somehow to be construed as "embracing" terrorists or condoning terrorist actions?
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Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 12:04:42 PM
are you suggesting that any statement in support of religious tolerance for Muslims is somehow to be construed as "embracing" terrorists or condoning terrorist actions?

In a way but not necessarily.   Personally I think all religion has elements of sexism and fascism. 
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Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 27, 2013, 12:07:53 PM
I agree with this.  The left is so afraid of being called racist, intolerant or islamaphobic that they go out of their way to embrace a group of people with an ideology in contradiction with the western values of democracy and equality.   This kind of self delusion is most evident in feminists and gays, two groups who would certainly not receive tolerance in the Muslim world.

Epic truth
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 12:07:59 PM
are you suggesting that any statement in support of religious tolerance for Muslims is somehow to be construed as "embracing" terrorists or condoning terrorist actions?

Yes.  If the so called "moderate mmoooooosssliimmss" refuse to denounce roundly the minute by minute acts of barbarism done in the name of the pedophile prophet - then they condone it.  
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 12:10:41 PM
Epic truth

Yet they never feel the same urge to refrain from criticizing white male Christians.   As an atheist I can recognize this is happening.
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Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 12:14:02 PM
Yes.  If the so called "moderate mmoooooosssliimmss" refuse to denounce roundly the minute by minute acts of barbarism done in the name of the pedophile prophet - then they condone it.  

You're claiming you've never seen a Muslim denounce terrorism and violence committed by other Muslims

I agree with you that if they don't denounce it then they are condoning it but unlike you I don't ignore the fact that many in fact do denounce it
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 12:20:04 PM
Yet they never feel the same urge to refrain from criticizing white male Christians.   As an atheist I can recognize this is happening.

Most leftists and libs believe white males are more of a danger to society than radical muslim butchers
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Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 12:31:04 PM
Most leftists and libs believe white males are more of a danger to society than radical muslim butchers

It's a strange contradiction I find troubling.  They will find any excuse to rationalize the actions of any other group.  It's never Islam but someone who misinterpreted Islam that is the problem.  However, western civilization is a collective entity for which we are all a part and who actions we are responsible for.

Whites are collectively responsible for slavery for example. They would never employ the same logic they use to defend their own western civilization that they use to defend Islam.  It's never a group of people who happened to be white males who misinterpreted or abused democracy.
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 27, 2013, 01:20:30 PM
The libs' War on Whites has been going on full force lately.
In their ideology, every problem in society and worldwide can be blamed on white men. Its always their fault.
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 01:31:59 PM
The libs' War on Whites has been going on full force lately.
In their ideology, every problem in society and worldwide can be blamed on white men. Its always their fault.

Which is so ironic because it the very system created by western white thought that allows them the freedoms to have a voice.  The concepts of democracy and equality are entirely western in nature.  It may have taken a while for certain groups to obtain that voice but they did and only could have within the context of a system like our own.   I guarantee accomplishing such a feat in any other system of government, past or present, would be impossible.
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Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 27, 2013, 01:35:35 PM
Which is so ironic because it the very system created by western white thought that allows them the freedoms to have a voice.  The concepts of democracy and equality are entirely western in nature.  It may have taken a while for certain groups to obtain that voice but they did and only could have within the context of a system like our own.   I guarantee accomplishing such a feat in any other system of government, past or present, would be impossible.

Exactly..liberalism is a self-hating, self destructive ideology. It causes societies and nations to undermine themselves
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Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 04:11:41 PM
Exactly..liberalism is a self-hating, self destructive ideology. It causes societies and nations to undermine themselves

care to share some recent examples of this?
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Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 04:17:26 PM
care to share some recent examples of this?

I believe the push to allow millions of illegal immigrants to live and work in this country undermines the existing population, particularly native born low skill workers like blacks or rural whites.  With millions unemployed allowing cheap labor into a country seems like a real FU. 
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Gonuclear on September 27, 2013, 06:01:48 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10333477/After-Kenya-no-more-turning-the-other-cheek-to-those-who-hate-us.html


boooommm   -dead on.  


Leftists are cowards and scared to death to call out the muslim filth for what they are.  

You sure are 'ruff n 'tuff.

But aren't you the guy who lied about being in the Navy?  It's usually the case that bloodthirsty "kill 'em all" types like you have never come close to serving in the military.
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Fury on September 27, 2013, 08:27:28 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2434278/Kenya-mall-attack-torture-claims-emerge-soldiers-Eyes-gouged-bodies-hooks-fingers-removed.html


Religion of Peace . . . . . .

Islam is a disease.
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 08:41:31 PM
Islam is a disease.

It is a disease that will destroy Europe if they continue on the path they are on. 
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: andreisdaman on September 28, 2013, 12:06:20 AM
only all the time

even if you saw a video of him saying so you still wouldn't be able to "see" it due to you well known mental health problems

The weird thing is he has actually gotten worse since he realized his 10 minutes of fame were over.......now that the spotlight is off he has gone back to his disgusting racist anti-obama rants and now has no restraint whatsoever in what he posts...and the mods do nothing, yet when you attack his stupid insane rants, the mods protect him and admonish you for going after him and calling him names....or rather calling him for what he is
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: andreisdaman on September 28, 2013, 12:09:08 AM
I agree with this.  The left is so afraid of being called racist, intolerant or islamaphobic that they go out of their way to embrace a group of people with an ideology in contradiction with the western values of democracy and equality.   This kind of self delusion is most evident in feminists and gays, two groups who would certainly not receive tolerance in the Muslim world.


sigh... :-[
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 28, 2013, 03:52:45 AM
The weird thing is he has actually gotten worse since he realized his 10 minutes of fame were over.......now that the spotlight is off he has gone back to his disgusting racist anti-obama rants and now has no restraint whatsoever in what he posts...and the mods do nothing, yet when you attack his stupid insane rants, the mods protect him and admonish you for going after him and calling him names....or rather calling him for what he is

STFU cry baby.   
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Gonuclear on September 28, 2013, 04:11:54 AM
STFU cry baby.   

How scary, fake tough guy.
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 28, 2013, 04:38:09 AM
How scary, fake tough guy.

And like clock work the clown show arrives to makes excuses and deflect from the post and instead troll.
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Necrosis on September 28, 2013, 10:48:32 AM
I agree with this.  The left is so afraid of being called racist, intolerant or islamaphobic that they go out of their way to embrace a group of people with an ideology in contradiction with the western values of democracy and equality.   This kind of self delusion is most evident in feminists and gays, two groups who would certainly not receive tolerance in the Muslim world.

Wouldn't really call it delusion.

Listen, if the solution is segregation so be it, but the people pushing this agenda will find the world become a much more hostile place. equality breeds peace.

Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Tightskin on September 28, 2013, 11:09:47 AM
You're claiming you've never seen a Muslim denounce terrorism and violence committed by other Muslims

I agree with you that if they don't denounce it then they are condoning it but unlike you I don't ignore the fact that many in fact do denounce it

If muslims do condemn shit like this we don't hear much about it   Why are so many terrorists Muslims?  Is the Koran written so badly the followers can't figure out what it says?  Or does it really direct it's followers to do shit like this?
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Post by: Archer77 on September 28, 2013, 11:28:50 AM
Wouldn't really call it delusion.

Listen, if the solution is segregation so be it, but the people pushing this agenda will find the world become a much more hostile place. equality breeds peace.



Equality may encourage peace but all evidence suggest diversity does not.  Allowing an oppositional groups into ones country for the sake of diversity is lunacy and suicidal.
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Post by: andreisdaman on September 28, 2013, 12:30:02 PM
Equality may encourage peace but all evidence suggest diversity does not.  Allowing an oppositional groups into ones country for the sake of diversity is lunacy and suicidal.

agreed....the American Indians found this to be quite true
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: dr.chimps on September 28, 2013, 12:56:49 PM
Politics != cut&paste.
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Archer77 on September 28, 2013, 01:16:46 PM
agreed....the American Indians found this to be quite true

Native Americans were pretty good at killing and enslaving other tribes too.  Just like the Africans tribes.  Neither of them wanted to diversity either.  

Politics != cut&paste.

All your opinions are cut and paste.
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Post by: dr.chimps on September 28, 2013, 01:23:11 PM
Native Americans were pretty good at killing and enslaving other tribes too.  Just like the Africans tribes.  Neither of them wanted to diversity either.  

All your opinions are cut and paste.
Got it. I'll check back here in another couple of years.  :-X
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: chadstallion on September 28, 2013, 04:27:12 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10333477/After-Kenya-no-more-turning-the-other-cheek-to-those-who-hate-us.html


boooommm   -dead on. 


Leftists are cowards and scared to death to call out the muslim filth for what they are. 
butt, you had your 15 minutes of fame on various TV programs; that was your chance to carefully turn the topic to this subject.
you had a golden opportunity and blew it.  [ blew it - get it??? !! ]
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Post by: andreisdaman on September 29, 2013, 07:40:42 AM
Native Americans were pretty good at killing and enslaving other tribes too.  Just like the Africans tribes.  Neither of them wanted to diversity either.  

All your opinions are cut and paste.

whites too....remember the Romans???????????????????
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 29, 2013, 10:26:12 AM
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/359729/unbelievable-savagery-kenya-mall-terrorists-alec-torres


What a great combo - African muslim fanatics.   ::)  ::)  ::)
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 29, 2013, 10:35:28 AM
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21586832-west-thought-it-was-winning-battle-against-jihadist-terrorism-it-should-think-again


I thought Obama decimated Al Queada?
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 29, 2013, 10:37:58 AM

Al-Qaeda returns

The new face of terror

The West thought it was winning the battle against jihadist terrorism. It should think again
 Sep 28th 2013  |From the print edition




Back from the dead

It all looked different two years ago. Even before the killing of Osama bin Laden in 2011, al-Qaeda’s central leadership, holed up near the Afghan border in Pakistan’s North Waziristan, was on the ropes, hollowed out by drone attacks and able to communicate with the rest of the network only with difficulty and at great risk. Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), its most capable franchise as far as mounting attacks on the West is concerned, was being hit hard by drone strikes and harried by Yemeni troops. The Shabab was under similar pressure in Somalia, as Western-backed African Union forces chased them out of the main cities. Above all, the Arab spring had derailed al-Qaeda’s central claim that corrupt regimes supported by the West could be overthrown only through violence.

All those gains are now in question. The Shabab is recruiting more foreign fighters than ever (some of whom appear to have been involved in the attack on the Westgate). AQAP was responsible for the panic that led to the closure of 19 American embassies across the region and a global travel alert in early August. Meanwhile al-Qaeda’s core, anticipating the withdrawal of Western troops from Afghanistan after 2014, is already moving back into the country’s wild east.

Above all, the poisoning of the Arab spring has given al-Qaeda and its allies an unprecedented opening. The coup against a supposedly moderate Islamist elected government in Egypt has helped restore al-Qaeda’s ideological power. Weapons have flooded out of Libya and across the region, and the civil war in Syria has revived one of the network’s most violent and unruly offshoots, al-Qaeda in Iraq, now grandly renamed the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham.

The struggle to depose the Assad regime has acted as a magnet for thousands of would-be jihadists from all over the Muslim world and from Muslim communities in Europe and North America. The once largely moderate and secular Syrian Free Army has been progressively displaced by better-organised and better-funded jihadist groups that have direct links with al-Qaeda. Western intelligence estimates reckon such groups now represent as much as 80% of the effective rebel fighting force. Even if they fail to advance much from the territory they now hold in the north and east of the country, they might end up controlling a vast area that borders an ever more fragile-looking Iraq, where al-Qaeda is currently murdering up to 1,000 civilians a month. That is a terrifying prospect.

No more wishful thinking

How much should Western complacency be blamed for this stunning revival? Quite a bit. Mr Obama was too eager to cut and run from Iraq. He is at risk of repeating the mistake in Afghanistan. America has been over-reliant on drone strikes to “decapitate” al-Qaeda groups: the previous defence secretary, Leon Panetta, even foolishly talked of defeating the network by killing just 10-20 leaders in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. The general perception of America’s waning appetite for engagement in the Middle East, underlined by Mr Obama’s reluctance to support the moderate Syrian opposition in any useful way has been damaging as well.

A second question is how much of a threat a resurgent al-Qaeda now poses to the West. The recently popular notion that, give or take the odd home-grown “lone wolf”, today’s violent jihadists are really interested only in fighting local battles now looks mistaken. Some of the foreign fighters in Syria will be killed. Others will be happy to return to a quieter life in Europe or America. But a significant proportion will take their training, experience and contacts home, keen to use all three when the call comes, as it surely will. There is little doubt too that Westerners working or living in regions where jihadism is strong will be doing so at greater risk than ever.

The final question is whether anything can be done to reverse the tide once again. The answer is surely yes. When Mr Bush declared his “war on terror”, his aim was the removal of regimes that sponsored terrorism. Today, the emphasis should be supporting weak (and sometimes unsavoury) governments in Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Mali, guy and elsewhere that are trying to fight al-Qaeda. Even Kenya and Nigeria could do with more help. That does not mean a heavy bootprint on the ground, but assistance in intelligence, logistics and even special forces and air support. Most of all, it means more help to train local security forces, to modernise administrations and to stabilise often frail economies.

The most dismaying aspect of al-Qaeda’s revival is the extent to which its pernicious ideology, now aided by the failures of the Arab spring, continues to spread through madrassas and mosques and jihadist websites and television channels. Money still flows from rich Gulf Arabs, supposedly the West’s friends, to finance these activities and worse. More pressure should be brought to bear on their governments to stop this. For all the West’s supposedly huge soft power, it has been feeble in its efforts to win over moderate Muslims in the most important battle of all, that of ideas.
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Post by: Soul Crusher on September 29, 2013, 11:34:23 AM
http://truthreportus.com/breaking-news-islamic-terrorists-murder-50-students-attack-nigerian-college


Islam is for barbarians
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 29, 2013, 02:11:36 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/29/nigera-militants-sleeping-murder


What do these animals think its Chicao or detroit? 
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: Gonuclear on September 29, 2013, 10:00:34 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/29/nigera-militants-sleeping-murder


What do these animals think its Chicao or detroit? 

"Chicao or detroit", eh?

You sure you went to Lew scool?
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 30, 2013, 07:50:59 AM
Equality may encourage peace but all evidence suggest diversity does not.  Allowing an oppositional groups into ones country for the sake of diversity is lunacy and suicidal.

Archer laying down the facts as usual!!
Title: Re: Eyes gouged, bodies hooked, fingers removed . . . . .
Post by: _bruce_ on September 30, 2013, 08:34:17 AM
It is a disease that will destroy Europe if they continue on the path they are on. 

Partially - Europe will end up as greater Yugoslavia with intense feuds between Islamists and Europeans. The (Social) Marxists in chief have successfully weakened us forever - which of course was the plan.
Same with the US though the racial factor will be the ultimate detonator.