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Title: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 08:07:59 AM
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/senator-says-politics-have-reached-civil-war-levels-20130927


So be it.   


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 27, 2013, 08:40:21 AM
Good, that's what I'm hoping for. The status quo needs to be changed


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 08:45:11 AM
What these leftist tyrants do not understand is that there is only so long you can push people before they revolt and wont take their leftist bs any longer and we are close


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: OzmO on September 27, 2013, 09:00:44 AM
ROTFLMAO


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 09:04:09 AM
ROTFLMAO

I already said - I think we should split the country in two at this point - the liberals, communists, progressives, statists and enviro whack jobs, animal rights extremsits, illegals, hipsters, etc on one side

Everyone else on the other.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: AndreaRyc on September 27, 2013, 09:11:40 AM
I already said - I think we should split the country in two at this point - the liberals, communists, progressives, statists and enviro whack jobs, animal rights extremsits, illegals, hipsters, etc on one side

Everyone else on the other.
And where do you put the certifiably insane Nazi wannabes?  You know the type?  They hate liberals, they hate intellectuals, they hate unions, they hate gays, they hate foreigners and they pretty much hate whatever they are told to hate.

Where do they go?



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 09:13:11 AM
And where do you put the certifiably insane Nazi wannabes?  You know the type?  They hate liberals, they hate intellectuals, they hate unions, they hate gays, they hate foreigners and they pretty much hate whatever they are told to hate.

Where do they go?



Nazis were leftists remember?  NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY? 


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 09:14:52 AM
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/senator-says-politics-have-reached-civil-war-levels-20130927


So be it.   

the last civil war didn't work out so well for the side with the rich people who wanted free labor or the fundie christians that used the bible to justify slavery


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: 24KT on September 27, 2013, 09:19:39 AM
And where do you put the certifiably insane Nazi wannabes?  You know the type?  They hate liberals, they hate intellectuals, they hate unions, they hate gays, they hate foreigners and they pretty much hate whatever they are told to hate.

Where do they go?



They go to an Acquafina bottled water factory, ...with really tight lids to occupy their time, ...and their brain power.  :P


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: headhuntersix on September 27, 2013, 09:23:07 AM
And where do you put the certifiably insane Nazi wannabes?  You know the type?  They hate liberals, they hate intellectuals, they hate unions, they hate gays, they hate foreigners and they pretty much hate whatever they are told to hate.

Where do they go?



No we hate Libs who pretend to be intellectuals. There's no need for unions as they're currently constructed. Gays...gay it up, I just don't need to see it on TV, in magazines and in movies on a constant basis. Foreigners...I don't want welfare cases waiting to happen crossing our borders, sucking down tax dollars we don't have. If your gonna ship us 100 Mexican rocket scientists and 200 brain surgeons...go ahead..oh wait those don't exist. You libs and your utopian dreams, at the expense of everybody else.  


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: AndreaRyc on September 27, 2013, 09:31:23 AM
Nazis were leftists remember?  NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY? 
Let's see, Hitler murdered intellectuals, union organizers, gays, foreigners and those not killed were enslaved for cheap labor...I'm sorry, what was your point again?  Oh yes, the word 'socialist' appears in your post.

You do realize that your beliefs intersect with those of the German Nazi party quite well.  You and your slave owning sympaticos down south will get a healthy Northern boot in your tamborines.

Property v. people. 

You fall on the wrong side of that equation.



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 09:38:23 AM
Let's see, Hitler murdered intellectuals, union organizers, gays, foreigners and those not killed were enslaved for cheap labor...I'm sorry, what was your point again?  Oh yes, the word 'socialist' appears in your post.

You do realize that your beliefs intersect with those of the German Nazi party quite well.  You and your slave owning sympaticos down south will get a healthy Northern boot in your tamborines.

Property v. people. 

You fall on the wrong side of that equation.



Stalin pol pot mao and lenin didn't the same shit?   Huh?  Is that your contention - Statism, Leftism, Progressivism, etc are all the same crap


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 09:42:26 AM
Stalin pol pot mao and lenin didn't the same shit?   Huh?  Is that your contention - Statism, Leftism, Progressivism, etc are all the same crap

yes I remember how Stalin, Pol Pot, Lenin, etc.... were all for access to healthcare for everyone, equal pay for women, equal treatment for gays, reduction of nuclear arms, access to student loans, etc....



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 09:57:43 AM
yes I remember how Stalin, Pol Pot, Lenin, etc.... were all for access to healthcare for everyone, equal pay for women, equal treatment for gays, reduction of nuclear arms, access to student loans, etc....



LOL - the level of ignorance you display is amazing.  Communism promised all those things and never delivered. 


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 10:04:57 AM
LOL - the level of ignorance you display is amazing.  Communism promised all those things and never delivered. 

Stalin promised equal pay for women, equal treatment of gays, reductions of nuclear arms?





Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: AndreaRyc on September 27, 2013, 11:02:53 AM
Stalin promised equal pay for women, equal treatment of gays, reductions of nuclear arms?




It's common knowledge that Hitler Of the Big Shoulders and Uncle Joe of the Bleeding Heart were bust out humanitarians just like most liberals in America.  And like most liberals, we enslave and murder other people.



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 27, 2013, 11:06:28 AM
the last civil war didn't work out so well for the side with the rich people who wanted free labor or the fundie christians that used the bible to justify slavery

In all seriousness, the southern states should have been allowed to seperate peacefully.  By conquering the southern states by killing hundreds of thousands of people and crushing all dissent just to maintain control of their resources rather than by allowing states who didnt want to be part of the union anymore seperate in peace, the Federal government basically became the very same tyrannical, physically and culturally remote ruling power that the original founding fathers fought to replace.

The same basic issues that led to the civil war never went away...and since they were kept under Union control at gunpoint, the same problems are again manifesting themselves.

The Federal government needs to have a serious overhaul and downsizing back to the original design laid out by the constitution, for the United States to work smoothly again. But since there is no way the Federal gov will give up any of its powerback to the states, there is only one solution really.

This 'union' needs to seperate.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 11:06:38 AM
It's common knowledge that Hitler Of the Big Shoulders and Uncle Joe of the Bleeding Heart were bust out humanitarians just like most liberals in America.  And like most liberals, we enslave and murder other people.

If you ask 333 I'm sure he believes Obama is preparing slave/extermination camps in preparation for an imminent round up of all political dissidents and probably anyone who isn't a Muslim

I don't know if you had the good fortune to read any of his rants about how Obama is trying to intentionally collapse the country so that he can install himself as dictator for life



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 11:07:37 AM
Nazism and Stalinism were cults of personalities, more like a cult or a religion(especially the nazis) than a rational secular political theory.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: B_B_C on September 27, 2013, 11:11:47 AM
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/senator-says-politics-have-reached-civil-war-levels-20130927
So be it.   

does this mean you have an occasional experience of the absurd?


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 11:11:53 AM
In all seriousness, the southern states should have been allowed to seperate peacefully.  By conquering the southern states by killing hundreds of thousands of people and crushing all dissent just to maintain control of their resources rather than by allowing states who didnt want to be part of the union anymore seperate in peace, the Federal government basically became the very same tyrannical, physically and culturally remote ruling power that the original founding fathers fought to replace.

The same basic issues that led to the civil war never went away...and since they were kept under Union control at gunpoint, the same problems are again manifesting themselves.

The Federal government needs to have a serious overhaul and downsizing back to the original design laid out by the constitution, for the United States to work smoothly again. But since there is no way the Federal gov will give up any of its powerback to the states, there is only one solution really.

This 'union' needs to seperate.

fine by me

Many of the red states get more back in federal assistance than they pay in tax dollars




Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 11:14:01 AM
fine by me

Many of the red states get more back in federal assistance than they pay in tax dollars




To be fair the south has a very large minority population so it's disingenuous to imply its white rednecks who are receiving the bulk of federal assistance. 


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: AndreaRyc on September 27, 2013, 11:18:30 AM
In all seriousness, the southern states should have been allowed to seperate peacefully.  By conquering the southern states by killing hundreds of thousands of people and crushing all dissent just to maintain control of their resources rather than by allowing states who didnt want to be part of the union anymore seperate in peace, the Federal government basically became the very same tyrannical, physically and culturally remote ruling power that the original founding fathers fought to replace.

The same basic issues that led to the civil war never went away...and since they were kept under Union control at gunpoint, the same problems are again manifesting themselves.

The Federal government needs to have a serious overhaul and downsizing back to the original design laid out by the constitution, for the United States to work smoothly again. But since there is no way the Federal gov will give up any of its powerback to the states, there is only one solution really.

This 'union' needs to seperate.
I think that's a facile statement.  The Civil War was about free labor and the lazy ass southerners that wanted the blacks to do their work for them.  The last thing this country needed was another fat assed aristocracy.  We'd just left that in Brit.


The US Constitutions was not authored to limit the size of government.  That meme came about from fatassed southerners that wanted the humane Fed. Gov. to not interfere with their slaving.

Read the constitution...the Federal Gov. is supreme.  Not a colleague of the states...Supreme to the states.

I do agree that we face the same racist issues today that we faced then.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 11:19:43 AM
To be fair the south has a very large minority population so it's disingenuous to imply its white rednecks who are receiving the bulk of federal assistance. 

I never said or even implied anything about race.  Where did you get that from?

But since you brought up the premise maybe you can give an example of a red state where the majority of the population is a minority

keep in mind the most recent census put the black population in the US @ 13% and Hispanic @ 17%  (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html)


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 11:34:31 AM
I never said or even implied anything about race.  Where did you get that from?

But since you brought up the premise maybe you can give an example of a red state where the majority of the population is a minority

keep in mind the most recent census put the black population in the US @ 13% and Hispanic @ 17%  (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html)


Total populations is irrelevant.  What matters is the percentage of recipients within a population group.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 11:43:19 AM
Alabama and Georgia are listed



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 27, 2013, 12:10:19 PM
Alabama and Georgia are listed



Those stats are mindblowing.

DC ....99.4%...just wow lol


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 12:13:07 PM
Those stats are mindblowing.

DC ....99.4%...just wow lol

Caught my eye immediately as well.  These stats are from 08-09 so the numbers may have changed.  I used them because the layout was convenient


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 01:37:12 PM
Alabama and Georgia are listed

here are your Red State Welfare Queens



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
here are your Red State Welfare Queens



I already told you total population numbers aren't relevant.  You need to understand what groups are receiving benefits in those red states.  Those who vote red and thus turn the state red are not the primary beneficiaries of welfare therefore the political leaning of the states in question are irrelevant.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 01:47:05 PM
I already told you total population numbers aren't relevant.  You need to understand what groups are receiving benefits in those red states.  Those who vote red and thus turn the state red are not the primary beneficiaries of welfare therefore the political leaning of the states in question are irrelevant.

feel free to provide explicit detail on your belief that non whites are receiving the majority of the benefits

After that you can explain why it matters (since you're the one that introduced race into the conversation) because if John Matrix get's his wish the red state secede and the entire state stops receiving federal tax dollars and the rest of us will have more of our own tax dollars.  Heck maybe what remains of the US can now have lower tax rates because we won't have all this money going to red states


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 01:48:39 PM
feel free to provide explicit detail on your belief that non whites are receiving the majority of the benefits

After that you can explain why it matters (since you're the one that introduced race into the conversation) because if John Matrix get's his wish the red state secede and the entire state stops receiving federal tax dollars and the rest of us will have more of our own tax dollars.  Heck maybe what remains of the US can now have lower tax rates because we won't have all this money going to red states

We will just send you guys all loafers - black and white since the left loves the welfare mobs


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 01:54:37 PM
We will just send you guys all loafers - black and white since the left loves the welfare mobs

aren't you is blue state

I assume when this happens you would immediately move to the new Confederate States of America.   

why would the New United States take in anyone from the New Confederate States and how exactly to would you "send" people

Maybe go town to town and gather them up and put them in cattle cars ?

That's probably something you'd be fine with...right?


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 01:56:32 PM
aren't you is blue state

I assume when this happens you would immediately move to the new Confederate States of America.   

why would the New United States take in anyone from the New Confederate States and how exactly to would you "send" people

Maybe go town to town and gather them up and put them in cattle cars ?

That's probably something you'd be fine with...right?

No - very simple - We advertise free Obama I-phone and they will all stampede to wherever that is. 


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 01:57:54 PM
No - very simple - We advertise free Obama I-phone and they will all stampede to wherever that is. 

only problem with that plan is that there is no such thing as an Obama phone and even if there were you don't believe people are going to leave the place where they were born and raised, where all their friends live, just for a free phone

try harder


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 02:01:47 PM
only problem with that plan is that there is no such thing as an Obama phone and even if there were you don't believe people are going to leave the place where they were born and raised, where all their friends live, just for a free phone

try harder

For free shit - Obama voters will go over nails, rocks, barbed wire, etc


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 02:03:51 PM
For free shit - Obama voters will go over nails, rocks, barbed wire, etc

we're talking about Red States....remember

you have a hard time staying on point


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 02:04:09 PM
feel free to provide explicit detail on your belief that non whites are receiving the majority of the benefits

After that you can explain why it matters (since you're the one that introduced race into the conversation) because if John Matrix get's his wish the red state secede and the entire state stops receiving federal tax dollars and the rest of us will have more of our own tax dollars.  Heck maybe what remains of the US can now have lower tax rates because we won't have all this money going to red states

It matters because you specifically brought up the topic of red states having the largest numbers of beneficiaries equating a connection between the two.  Red state=republican=white.  You may not have stated this outright but you certainly implied the connection  Otherwise, what is the point of bringing that up?  I already did provide evidence that minorities benefit from welfare to a far greater degree than whites in southern politically red states.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 02:12:01 PM
It matters because you specifically brought up the topic of red states having the largest numbers of beneficiaries equating a connection between the two.  Red state=republican=white.  You may not have stated this outright but you certainly implied the connection  Otherwise, what is the point of bringing that up?  I already did provide evidence that minorities benefit from welfare to a far greater degree than whites in southern politically red states.

I didn't imply shit

where are you getting this nonsense

Here is my entire post......all 20 words

Anything else you're reading into that is coming from you and not me

fine by me

Many of the red states get more back in federal assistance than they pay in tax dollars


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 02:18:24 PM
I didn't imply shit

where are you getting this nonsense

Here is my entire post......all 20 words

Anything else you're reading into that is coming from you and not me


Why didn't you say many states instead of red states?  You intentionally mentioned red states because they were red states.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 02:21:37 PM
Why didn't you say many states instead of red states?  You intentionally mentioned red states because they were red states.

you didn't notice that I wrote "many of the red states"?

Given what you've written I assume when you read "blue state" your brain says "non-white"

You wrote red state = republican= white

obviously red states are republican so no need to say that so I guess you think red state = white and thus blue state = non-white

Is that how your brain is wired?


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 27, 2013, 02:29:23 PM
you didn't notice that I wrote "many of the red states"?

Given what you've written I assume when you read "blue state" your brain says "non-white"

You wrote red state = republican= white

obviously red states are republican so no need to say that so I guess you think red state = white and thus blue state = non-white

Is that how your brain is wired?

Many red states have cities populated w welfare scamming Obama voters - hope that helps 


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 02:40:18 PM
you didn't notice that I wrote "many of the red states"?

Given what you've written I assume when you read "blue state" your brain says "non-white"

You wrote red state = republican= white

obviously red states are republican so no need to say that so I guess you think red state = white and thus blue state = non-white

Is that how your brain is wired?

By the numbers, Republicans are predominantly white, especially in the south.  It's fairly safe to assume that in in the south a republican voter will be a white male. 


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 02:49:55 PM
By the numbers, Republicans are predominantly white, especially in the south.  It's fairly safe to assume that in in the south a republican voter will be a white male. 

ok will accept your premise even though I'm sure there are many black religious types who probably vote Republican too

what does this have to do again with the fact that many red states receive more $'s in federal assistance than they pay in taxes

Wasn't that what we were talking about?

Were you going to show me that all those federal dollars are going primarily to minorities ?


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 02:54:42 PM
ok will accept your premise even though I'm sure there are many black religious types who probably vote Republican too

what does this have to do again with the fact that many red states receive more $'s in federal assistance than they pay in taxes

Wasn't that what we were talking about?

Were you going to show me that all those federal dollars are going primarily to minorities ?

It matters because the numbers indicate that the people receiving the bulk of federal benefits arent the same individuals voting the state red. Therefore the fact the state is red has no relevance on the amount of aid it receives.

I did above.  Check the census data.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 03:09:30 PM
It matters because the numbers indicate that the people receiving the bulk of federal benefits arent the same individuals voting the state red. Therefore the fact the state is red has no relevance on the amount of aid it receives.

I did above.  Check the census data.

you're saying the chart you posted at the top of this page is breaking down who receives federal aid based on race?

I don't see that info on the chart so I was not aware that the chart was giving that information

do I understand that correctly?


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 03:11:07 PM
you're saying the chart you posted at the top of this page is breaking down who receives federal aid based on race?

I don't see that info on the chart so I was not aware that the chart was giving that information

do I understand that correctly?


Yes.  Do you thnk a larger percentage of welfare recipients in red states are white?  By this I mean a larger percentage by population size.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 03:29:14 PM

Yes.  Do you thnk a larger percentage of welfare recipients in red states are white?  By this I mean a larger percentage by population size.

I never even mentioned it...remember

you're the one who brought it up

All I said is that it would be good for blue states if southern red states wanted to secede

After they secede then their residents (whatever their race) are their problem

BTW - can you provide a more complete chart or even better a link to where you found that chart

It doesn't include all of the red states on the list. 

I can't check the stats on the first two states but the third biggest welfare queen state is Alaska and whites get the majority of the assistance (according to your chart)



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 27, 2013, 03:38:18 PM
I never even mentioned it...remember

you're the one who brought it up

All I said is that it would be good for blue states if southern red states wanted to secede

After they secede then their residents (whatever their race) are their problem

BTW - can you provide a more complete chart or even better a link to where you found that chart

It doesn't include all of the red states on the list. 

I can't check the stats on the first two states but the third biggest welfare queen state is Alaska and whites get the majority of the assistance (according to your chart)



I'll post the link to the chart.  I'm on iPad and I took a picture of the chat and cropped it because it was to large.   Yes, whites do in Alaska as they so in other states with a majority population over eighty percent such as Wyoming...I believe.  The percentages are high but total number of recipients are low because the pop is small.  By the way, I support a limited social safety net.  The 2010 numbers are about the same but I don't have a chart as I was looking at the raw data.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 03:53:31 PM
I'll post the link to the chart.  I'm on iPad and I took a picture of the chat and cropped it because it was to large.   Yes, whites do in Alaska as they so in other states with a majority population over eighty percent such as Wyoming...I believe.  The percentages are high but total number of recipients are low because the pop is small.  By the way, I support a limited social safety net.  The 2010 numbers are about the same but I don't have a chart as I was looking at the raw data.

you don't have to post it if you're busy
It doesn't really matter to me and the hypothetical premise we're talking about
If Southern States were to secede then the entire state would lose the net federal dollars they are receiving and their residents would  now be on their dime and not living on the excess of taxes paid by blue states

I'm sure it would be Shangri La for people like Jonhn Matrix.
He can then move to the Southern States of America (assuming he doesn't already live there) and help support his fellow citizens or enjoy the consequences of a low income population who is no longer receiving any federal assistance


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 27, 2013, 03:56:34 PM
the last civil war didn't work out so well for the side with the rich people who wanted free labor or the fundie christians that used the bible to justify slavery

I thought the North was the rich side? ???

The south embodied our founders original ideals on liberty but were crushed by those in favor of taking away the rights of individuals in favor of an all powerful central government.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 27, 2013, 03:57:55 PM
In all seriousness, the southern states should have been allowed to seperate peacefully.  By conquering the southern states by killing hundreds of thousands of people and crushing all dissent just to maintain control of their resources rather than by allowing states who didnt want to be part of the union anymore seperate in peace, the Federal government basically became the very same tyrannical, physically and culturally remote ruling power that the original founding fathers fought to replace.

The same basic issues that led to the civil war never went away...and since they were kept under Union control at gunpoint, the same problems are again manifesting themselves.

The Federal government needs to have a serious overhaul and downsizing back to the original design laid out by the constitution, for the United States to work smoothly again. But since there is no way the Federal gov will give up any of its powerback to the states, there is only one solution really.

This 'union' needs to seperate.

Wow, very good post!


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 27, 2013, 04:06:17 PM
The thing is, in my opinion the right has pretty much stayed the course over the past decades. 

It's the left that's veered off course and become more and more radical and extreme, unwilling to compromise.


I'm just as critical of the Republicans, so don't try and peg me as someone like Coach.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 27, 2013, 04:08:24 PM
I thought Obama looked good too, but I learned my lesson (along with so many others). 

YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR LIBERALS/LEFTISTS/PROGRESSIVES/DEMOCRATS EVER, not at any level.



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Straw Man on September 27, 2013, 04:10:01 PM
I thought the North was the rich side? ???

The south embodied our founders original ideals on liberty but were crushed by those in favor of taking away the rights of individuals in favor of an all powerful central government.

plenty of rich southerners thanks to free labor

It's interesting that you see the south as somehow being the champions of the rights of individuals



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Roger Bacon on September 27, 2013, 04:19:55 PM
plenty of rich southerners thanks to free labor

It's interesting that you see the south as somehow being the champions of the rights of individuals

Most of the north had only recently abolished slavery themselves.  They had a constant stream of poor Europeans that were worked harder than slaves and in worse conditions.  As far as the Civil War goes slavery is a small factor.



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: JBGRAY on September 30, 2013, 05:04:22 AM
I am certain that federal assistance does not just entail welfare benefits and/or foodstamps/EBT/SNAP. Is Medicaid/Medicare, Veterans' benefits, Social Security, and Federal employment pensions not also part of the equation as well? What of federally-funded infrastructure improvements, such as bridges and highways? If you were to account for the amount of people in the US that receive some form of government subsidy, then yes, the overwhelming majority of Americans receive.

While I understand to a certain extent the vitriol hurdled towards welfare recipients, why is there not the same attitudes to a lesser extent extended towards those that receive Medicae/Medicaid and Social Security?  It has been proven that the overwhelming majority of those that receive those benefits do not pay into those programs equivalent to what they get out of them.

Statistics can be bent to serve any purpose. 

As far as a civil war goes, it will not happen.  Americans simply do not have the will to engage in armed conflict in their own homeland unless pushed to the absolute brink(and we are not......not even close).  If such a thing were to actually occur, sorry, but your hunting rifle and pump-action shotgun that you take into the woods with you are no match for Predator Drones, satellite imagery, and Apache Attack Helicopters.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Archer77 on September 30, 2013, 05:31:06 AM


While I understand to a certain extent the vitriol hurdled towards welfare recipients, why is there not the same attitudes to a lesser extent extended towards those that receive Medicae/Medicaid and Social Security?  It has been proven that the overwhelming majority of those that receive those benefits do not pay into those programs equivalent to what they get out of them.

Statistics can be bent to serve any purpose.  


The distinction is matter of ability, choice and personal responsibility.  A young woman on public assistance who continues to have children she can't afford is making a choice to do so.  She is most likely in good physical health with the ability to work and birth control is readily available to prevent pregnancy.  

Seniors on the other hand have many more natural obstacles.  For one, they suffer from more physical ailments that limit their ability to find work. With increased ailments comes greater healthcare costs.  The job market is also extremely hostile toward older workers.  Employers usually prefer younger workers.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: _bruce_ on September 30, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
And where do you put the certifiably insane Nazi wannabes?  You know the type?  They hate liberals, they hate intellectuals, they hate unions, they hate gays, they hate foreigners and they pretty much hate whatever they are told to hate.

Where do they go?



Depends if they're authentic - good deal of today's "bona fide" thinkers are guided drones guiding even lower drones.

Many of the communist blood feuds specifically targeted people who appeared to be intellectual(wearing glasses, publications critical of xyz, etc.).
Rewriting/destroying books is another sign which happens here in Germany/Austria - they're changing children's book which contain words deemed as "hateful".
Hitler, who was a chief collectivist/socialist, burned books, regulated art and of course punished successful businesses(mostly jewish ones of course).


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: AndreaRyc on September 30, 2013, 08:10:42 AM
I thought Obama looked good too, but I learned my lesson (along with so many others). 

YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR LIBERALS/LEFTISTS/PROGRESSIVES/DEMOCRATS EVER, not at any level.


Well that's a well-reasoned, articulated opinion.

IF the US relied on your outlook for politics hitherto, we'd still have the 'every man for himself' slavery cesspool in the south.  Every person, like today's modern right winger, too cowardly or corrupt to become engaged in the society around themselves in any meaningful way.

And this is exactly why we need a very strong progressive, far left, socialist segment to our society:  the bleeding heart of christ will wither and die if left to the infantile, selfish, slavers that put property over the value of people.

For that reason and to improve the smell around here.





Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: AndreaRyc on September 30, 2013, 08:11:44 AM
Depends if they're authentic - good deal of today's "bona fide" thinkers are guided drones guiding even lower drones.

Many of the communist blood feuds specifically targeted people who appeared to be intellectual(wearing glasses, publications critical of xyz, etc.).
Rewriting/destroying books is another sign which happens here in Germany/Austria - they're changing children's book which contain words deemed as "hateful".
Hitler, who was a chief collectivist/socialist, burned books, regulated art and of course punished successful businesses(mostly jewish ones of course).

That is some irony.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 30, 2013, 08:24:06 AM
you don't have to post it if you're busy
It doesn't really matter to me and the hypothetical premise we're talking about
If Southern States were to secede then the entire state would lose the net federal dollars they are receiving and their residents would  now be on their dime and not living on the excess of taxes paid by blue states

I'm sure it would be Shangri La for people like Jonhn Matrix.
He can then move to the Southern States of America (assuming he doesn't already live there) and help support his fellow citizens or enjoy the consequences of a low income population who is no longer receiving any federal assistance

Actually Strawwoman, texas does not need 'federal dollars'. 'Federal dollars' are just dollars that are taken from the people of every state. Texas is doing better economically than any of the blue states, and would be doing even better in a lot of other ways if they weren't forced to submit to the federal gov's authority on everything.

The federal gov needs texas more than texas needs the federal gov.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 30, 2013, 08:25:46 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/north-carolina-voter-id-doj-lawsuit_n_4013976.html


Obama set to sue NC now. 



Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on September 30, 2013, 08:29:07 AM
Holders DOJ has to be the most blatantly partisan in history.
It is critical that their corrupt liberal crusades against the states fail


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: AndreaRyc on September 30, 2013, 08:50:17 AM
Holders DOJ has to be the most blatantly partisan in history.
It is critical that their corrupt liberal crusades against the states fail
I'm just curious about your thinking.

Do you really believe that your political opponents love the State in the abstract to an extent that they will enslave others while destroying this country?

I don't. 

The same old money that tried to overthrow FDR in the first half of the 20th century are the same monied interests that own today's country, government, and population. 

Obama, Reagan, LBJ, Nixon, Clinton, Bush.  They all had the same bosses and those bosses were not the American people.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: Soul Crusher on September 30, 2013, 08:53:49 AM
Yes - that is what 99.9% of leftists, liberals, communists, progressives desire

I'm just curious about your thinking.

Do you really believe that your political opponents love the State in the abstract to an extent that they will enslave others while destroying this country?

I don't. 

The same old money that tried to overthrow FDR in the first half of the 20th century are the same monied interests that own today's country, government, and population. 

Obama, Reagan, LBJ, Nixon, Clinton, Bush.  They all had the same bosses and those bosses were not the American people.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: AndreaRyc on September 30, 2013, 09:07:08 AM
Yes - that is what 99.9% of leftists, liberals, communists, progressives desire

And you know this motivation,how?  I'd offer an answer but I'm plotting your demise so I can give your net worth to the SSA building.

Government is an organizational edifice that is necessary.  It is necessary. 

I don't think you have a very good handle on your real enemy.


Title: Re: Senators warns that politics is now at Civil War levels
Post by: SOMEPARTS on September 30, 2013, 09:22:19 AM
Small govt is necessary, yes. When it becomes 40% of everything in the country there is a problem.