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Title: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 09, 2013, 05:10:15 AM
Hey fellas,

what do you think... how much juice are pro powerlifters like Brandon Lilly, Dan Greene and co. running? I know it's hard to tell but maybe there are some lifters
here on getbig who have an idea of how much drugs you need to pick up those heavy ass weights. 

I am aware that training is number 1 key for success in powerlifting and that genetics, bone structure and all that things play a big role... but to be at an elite level  you got to take your ''supps''.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: youandme on October 09, 2013, 06:54:54 AM
Can't speak for the majority, but I have two friends that compete in powerlifting and they run ridiculous amounts of halo and winny.
One of them is 280lbs and he told me he was running 150mgs of halo in addition to winstrol, kind of sane dosages for semi pros but this amount was done for several weeks at a time before competitions. He'd switch off test bases from cyp to suspension depending on his workout schedule.

Once I started lifting alongside them it was clear that powerlifters are the worst abusers of orals compared to bodybuilders hands down. The shit they would eat too was frightening.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 09, 2013, 10:42:42 AM
Can't speak for the majority, but I have two friends that compete in powerlifting and they run ridiculous amounts of halo and winny.
One of them is 280lbs and he told me he was running 150mgs of halo in addition to winstrol, kind of sane dosages for semi pros but this amount was done for several weeks at a time before competitions. He'd switch off test bases from cyp to suspension depending on his workout schedule.

Once I started lifting alongside them it was clear that powerlifters are the worst abusers of orals compared to bodybuilders hands down. The shit they would eat too was frightening.

Very interesting! Thanks. I also thought that powerlifters are using A LOT of orals ... but 150 mg of Halotest with Winny for a semi pro... sounds pretty crazy to me lol. Just imagine how much of everything the ,,big boys'' are runnning   :D
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Dago_Joe on October 09, 2013, 10:55:24 AM
Can't speak for the majority, but I have two friends that compete in powerlifting and they run ridiculous amounts of halo and winny.
One of them is 280lbs and he told me he was running 150mgs of halo in addition to winstrol, kind of sane dosages for semi pros but this amount was done for several weeks at a time before competitions. He'd switch off test bases from cyp to suspension depending on his workout schedule.

Once I started lifting alongside them it was clear that powerlifters are the worst abusers of orals compared to bodybuilders hands down. The shit they would eat too was frightening.

Fuck me!  I thought I was going to die of liver failure when i was on 50 mg daily!  This dude must look like Markus Ruhl!  The powerlifters I have talked to take amounts that would make gh15 scared.  Some of these guys look like their blood pressure is in the 4 digit range.  Straight up purple faces.  Amazing what the human body can withstand.  anabolichalo needs to get on this guys cycle and then his arms will break 18" unpumped.  and then he will get the girls.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 09, 2013, 01:06:57 PM
Fuck me!  I thought I was going to die of liver failure when i was on 50 mg daily!  This dude must look like Markus Ruhl!  The powerlifters I have talked to take amounts that would make gh15 scared.  Some of these guys look like their blood pressure is in the 4 digit range.  Straight up purple faces.  Amazing what the human body can withstand.  anabolichalo needs to get on this guys cycle and then his arms will break 18" unpumped.  and then he will get the girls.

 Can you post an example of what and how much gear those powerlifters took, pls?
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Wez on October 09, 2013, 01:09:08 PM
Just look at the stack Ryan Kennelly was running when he got busted. There was a thread on here. It was amazing. 
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 09, 2013, 01:34:50 PM
Just look at the stack Ryan Kennelly was running when he got busted. There was a thread on here. It was amazing. 

Yeah, I remember I saw his stack once in a thread. Gramms of testosterona and other shit lol. I suppose many other elite powerlifters do not take much less ;)
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Wez on October 09, 2013, 01:40:19 PM
Most of the guys I used to train with loved mass amounts of Test, EQ, Tren and as stated earlier...lots of orals...Halo especially.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: anabolichalo on October 09, 2013, 02:55:36 PM
Fuck me!  I thought I was going to die of liver failure when i was on 50 mg daily!  This dude must look like Markus Ruhl!  The powerlifters I have talked to take amounts that would make gh15 scared.  Some of these guys look like their blood pressure is in the 4 digit range.  Straight up purple faces.  Amazing what the human body can withstand.  anabolichalo needs to get on this guys cycle and then his arms will break 18" unpumped.  and then he will get the girls.
anabolic halo can reach 18" on 500mg of test

and if not 2-4 grams ought to do it
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Dago_Joe on October 09, 2013, 06:18:16 PM
anabolic halo can reach 18" on 500mg of test

and if not 2-4 grams ought to do it

I like your way of thinking.  Once you hit 18", 22" is just a step away.  2-4 grams of test away like you said.  And then you will get the girls and dominate your twink boss.  If you can afford GH, that would be your next best bet.  No hairloss, so no need for a turkish hairpiece and combined with the test you are taking, you will hit 18-19" no prob.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Dago_Joe on October 09, 2013, 06:25:37 PM
Can you post an example of what and how much gear those powerlifters took, pls?

One guy I was pretty friendly with told me and showed me what he would take daily.  He was doing 200 mg Abombs daily and at least 5 grams weekly test cyp.  This was in the late 90's, so maybe price was a reason for using so much, but he did not look remotely healthy and I can't even imagine what his bloodwork or organs must be doing.  He was legit almost purple when working out.  I wouldn't have believed it if i had not seen him personally take it.  My heart is pounding on 1 gram of test and 50 mg of Abombs, I would straight up die from what he was using.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: BodyMachine on October 09, 2013, 10:27:42 PM
^^correct but dont think oh i'll ride it out since it goes away. bp is no joke. it goes away as your body builds tolerances to aas over time, gradually increasing doses. shit when i first started 500 test/40mg dbol was insane couldn't handle it. today i can tolerate 5g of gear
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Overload on October 10, 2013, 07:27:05 AM
I know a few guys who use up to 300mg of Drol ED for 6-8 weeks at a time.  A few of them take 6-8g's of combined AAS.  These are 300+ pound guys i'm talking about.  One of them squats 800+ and benches 615 raw.

Some of the smaller guys use insane doses as well.  I know a 181 pounder who uses 2g's of Tren a week with some Test and plenty of orals.  He's a strong dude, pulls over 600 at 181 pounds.


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Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 10, 2013, 09:38:21 AM
very interesting ... thanks for those responses guys! :D
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: a_ahmed on October 10, 2013, 09:40:50 AM
^Daymn 2g of tren  :o
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: anabolichalo on October 10, 2013, 02:01:46 PM
is domestic violence commonplace in powerlifting circles?
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 10, 2013, 03:16:36 PM
is domestic violence commonplace in powerlifting circles?

lmao hopefully not 
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: noway55 on October 10, 2013, 09:01:10 PM
Higher level powerlifters are on as much gear as BBers, in most cases they just aren't concerned with looking pretty.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: RRR on October 10, 2013, 09:13:38 PM
Some of the smaller guys use insane doses as well.  I know a 181 pounder who uses 2g's of Tren a week with some Test and plenty of orals.  He's a strong dude, pulls over 600 at 181 pounds.

Layne Norton?
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: noway55 on October 11, 2013, 09:40:19 AM
Layne Norton?
19-norton??
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: anabolichalo on October 11, 2013, 09:42:15 AM
Layne Norton?
thats not impressive at all

i pulled 500pounds natural at 185
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 11, 2013, 11:18:05 AM
Higher level powerlifters are on as much gear as BBers, in most cases they just aren't concerned with looking pretty.

hmmm  :-\ always thought that powerlifters are taking less... just a lot orals but less injectable stuff
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: _aj_ on October 11, 2013, 11:51:23 AM
19-norton??

This is so getbig insider that I LOL'd deeply.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on October 11, 2013, 06:53:44 PM
Brandon Lilly posted the following cycle in his cube method beta test:
Weeks 1-6
Testosterone Cypionate: 500-600mg taken 250/300mg on Monday and Thursday
Nandrolone Decanoate or Boldenone Undecanoate: 300mg taken 150mg on Monday and Thursday
Anavar: 50mg per day

Weeks 7-10
Testosterone Cypionate: 1000-1200mg taken 500/600mg on Monday and Thursday
Nandrolone Decanoate or Boldenone Undecanoate: 600mg taken 300mg on Monday and Thursday

14 days out
Add 50mg Trenbolone Acetate EOD
Add 50mg dianabol a day

This isn't what he ran- but what he recommends people run.
In PL it's a lot about training on high anabolics with high volume then switching to androgens near the meet. High dosages don't really need to be ran, just enough to maintain the muscle mass you need for your weight class and enough to get you into the next class and lean you up after a meet. But lots of androgens are often used near the meet. Clint Darden recommends the following for strongmen:

4 weeks high anabolics
150mg test (low enough for dick function)
deca/dbol/eq

4 weeks high androgens
500-1500mg test
tren/anadrol/halo

4-8 weeks recovery with peptides and PCT
In strength sports you can't really run a cycle and get strength, so it's mainly about supporting a high volume of training with very anabolic compounds. You can't make up for shitty training with hormones and running loads doesn't really help that much at all unless you're peaking
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 12, 2013, 06:31:23 AM
Brandon Lilly posted the following cycle in his cube method beta test:
Weeks 1-6
Testosterone Cypionate: 500-600mg taken 250/300mg on Monday and Thursday
Nandrolone Decanoate or Boldenone Undecanoate: 300mg taken 150mg on Monday and Thursday
Anavar: 50mg per day

Weeks 7-10
Testosterone Cypionate: 1000-1200mg taken 500/600mg on Monday and Thursday
Nandrolone Decanoate or Boldenone Undecanoate: 600mg taken 300mg on Monday and Thursday

14 days out
Add 50mg Trenbolone Acetate EOD
Add 50mg dianabol a day

This isn't what he ran- but what he recommends people run.
In PL it's a lot about training on high anabolics with high volume then switching to androgens near the meet. High dosages don't really need to be ran, just enough to maintain the muscle mass you need for your weight class and enough to get you into the next class and lean you up after a meet. But lots of androgens are often used near the meet. Clint Darden recommends the following for strongmen:

4 weeks high anabolics
150mg test (low enough for dick function)
deca/dbol/eq

4 weeks high androgens
500-1500mg test
tren/anadrol/halo

4-8 weeks recovery with peptides and PCT
In strength sports you can't really run a cycle and get strength, so it's mainly about supporting a high volume of training with very anabolic compounds. You can't make up for shitty training with hormones and running loads doesn't really help that much at all unless you're peaking

awesome! thanks for the info. Do you have more of that on hand?
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: youandme on October 12, 2013, 07:39:38 AM
Fuck me!  I thought I was going to die of liver failure when i was on 50 mg daily!  This dude must look like Markus Ruhl!  The powerlifters I have talked to take amounts that would make gh15 scared.  Some of these guys look like their blood pressure is in the 4 digit range.  Straight up purple faces.  Amazing what the human body can withstand.  anabolichalo needs to get on this guys cycle and then his arms will break 18" unpumped.  and then he will get the girls.

The offseason, bloated, unhealthy looking Markus Ruhl? Yes.

Granted he's very strong and has been in Powerlifting USA numerous times it just seems powerlifting at his level or maybe at any very competitive level is just very unhealthy.  

Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on October 12, 2013, 10:23:13 PM
awesome! thanks for the info. Do you have more of that on hand?

Not with specific dosages no. People tend to keep that quite. Protocols are easy to find though. 4 week blocks of anabolics then androgens is the most common.
Clint Darden is a great resource and will coach you if you have the cash
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2013, 09:22:15 AM
I am wondering how much gear Olympic Weightlifters are using??
(like the worldchampion of Iran with a bodyweight of 170 KG (374 pounds)
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 13, 2013, 12:08:56 PM
Not with specific dosages no. People tend to keep that quite. Protocols are easy to find though. 4 week blocks of anabolics then androgens is the most common.
Clint Darden is a great resource and will coach you if you have the cash

One of my homies was coached (online) by Clint for some months. He also said that Clint is great. (Y)
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 13, 2013, 01:00:53 PM
I am wondering how much gear Olympic Weightlifters are using??
(like the worldchampion of Iran with a bodyweight of 170 KG (374 pounds)

Probably a whole lot of basic stuff along with some GH and Insulina for extra recovery. Btw it is obvious that many weightlifters start pretty early with juicing (while being in their teen years), because they often reach their peak at the beginnings of their 20s.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on October 13, 2013, 04:09:37 PM
I am wondering how much gear Olympic Weightlifters are using??
(like the worldchampion of Iran with a bodyweight of 170 KG (374 pounds)

It's more about recovery for them. When they are younger and building strength then AAS is more important. When they are strong enough though, it's more HGH and low doses. You simply don't need to run that much gear for WL, it's more about training as often as possible
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: AbrahamG on October 13, 2013, 05:24:29 PM
Hey fellas,

what do you think... how much juice are pro powerlifters like Brandon Lilly, Dan Greene and co. running? I know it's hard to tell but maybe there are some lifters
here on getbig who have an idea of how much drugs you need to pick up those heavy ass weights. 

I am aware that training is number 1 key for success in powerlifting and that genetics, bone structure and all that things play a big role... but to be at an elite level  you got to take your ''supps''.

Who really cares?  For the most part, they are fat slobs and assholes to boot.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on October 14, 2013, 11:44:28 AM
Who really cares?  For the most part, they are fat slobs and assholes to boot.
lol this thread is 2 pages so obviously there are people that care.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Dago_Joe on October 14, 2013, 11:58:52 AM
And don't forget the "ancillary" supplements these dudes also use.  Amphetamine, narcotic analgesics, anti-inflammatory, etc.  BBing is an unhealthy sport, but power lifting is in another realm of sickness.  I can actually understand doing all that shit and shortening your life tremendously if you are getting millions of bucks and tons of whores, but to do it in a sport where you LOSE money to compete for the most part, is insane.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 15, 2013, 07:46:28 AM
Who really cares?  For the most part, they are fat slobs and assholes to boot.

I'm a powerlifter, so I do fucking care lol and some other guys on here as well
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 15, 2013, 07:47:48 AM

I dunno.. i'd say many pler's hit their peak at 35+

agree
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: aintitgrand on October 16, 2013, 07:22:37 AM
I don't have many powerlifting friends, but the one I do know am pretty close with.
His test dose does not go lower than a gram, he's a tren junky and loves orals (seems to be a trend from what I'm reading). I remember we were training and he went to take a piss and didn't flush. So when I went in after him it looked like someone dumped liquid rust into the toilet. Shit was scary, his kidneys must be crying for help!
I know only what he tells me, and I never really ask what he takes, I'm more interesting in his training as I'm relatively weak (for my weight) and want to increase my strength.
Compared to him, my gear intake is toddler-level haha. These guys are nuts!
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: aintitgrand on October 16, 2013, 07:12:55 PM
mine only gets like that with tren.. I can run high dose so-called "toxic" orals, and not get the same color piss that even 300mg/wk tren gives me.

Perhaps it is from the tren. I never asked him what it was from, just told him he should get it checked out after his competition. After all, he was on so much shit its hard to tell what did what in there.
Thanks for the info though, I'll be trying tren next year for the first time and will look out for rusty piss. I assume its still taxing your kidneys, so if I get the same reaction as you I'll probably never touch tren again, don't wanna end up like DA.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: aintitgrand on October 17, 2013, 06:59:54 AM
I think DA had a lil more to do with banging IV meth/coke/oxycodone/heroin/morphine.... kidneys gotta filter out all the impurities. same thing happened to tom prince.... i'm amazing chris cormier hasn't had problems. dude had track-marks up and down his arms for years.  never knew craig titus to use IV, only IM out of fear of showing trackmarks for photoshoots and not being marketable. (well, IM and smoking the shit)

Yeah, kidneys will filter out anything whether it was taken orally or via needle, but I would suspect orals strain the kidneys more than injections.
I guess I should be happy I have no interest in rec drugs, if that is in fact what did it for DA and Prince.
As a side note, wasn't Tom Prince a priest or studying to be a priest before he met his current wife and became a bber? You'd think someone of his faith would just leave it at steroids and peptides, and not fuck around with hard rec drugs.

*I'm under no impression that religious people are 'holier than thou' and probably do more fucked up shit behind closed doors than atheists. But just feels weird to hear that an ex/almost priest would fuck around with hard recs.*
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: aintitgrand on October 17, 2013, 12:16:58 PM
yea, but injecting impurities IV (like melting down oxy tabs and meth and coke) goes straight through the kidneys without having to be absorbed through the GI tract. even injecting benedryl iv stresses the kidneys (melted down benedryl, not pharma-injectable benedryl).

I dunno about tom being a priest... he may or may not have been a swinger (I don't know of know of anybody personally who's fucked becca), and he was absolutely a drug addict and was a drug addict for the same reasons anybody 'becomes' a drug addict... whether it's anxiety, depression, social anxiety, fear of inadequacy, ect... and he got high every fucking day allllll day for years. you'd see him every day with HUGE abcesses on his left arm/bicep/crook of his elbow. you don't get that from shooting once or twice a day... you get what he had from shooting 10-15x/day.... everyday. I know, because I had one, and so did a lot of other bbers I know. it's easy to spot if u know what you're looking for, even in 'retouched' photos in mag's.

You know what, I'm thinking of Mike Francois with the whole priest thing. Never knew much of anything about Tom, just that he had kidney failure. Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Dago_Joe on October 18, 2013, 09:02:57 AM
You know what, I'm thinking of Mike Francois with the whole priest thing. Never knew much of anything about Tom, just that he had kidney failure. Thanks for the info!

Yeah, Mike Francois was in a seminary studying to become a Roman Catholic priest before he took the plunge into pro bbing.  He was a pretty freaky looking dude back in the mid 90's.  Tom was a drug addict big time for sure and the massive amounts of NSAIDS he was using would definitely shut down his kidneys on top of the other shit he was using.  He seems to own up to a lot of it, but not all the narcotic usage.  Can't really blame him, I know how shameful it feels to have to admit you are a junky and all the things you do/did to make that habit continue day to day.  NSAIDS are treated like they are these benign drugs that only do good things by doctors.  Any ailment you go in to one of those drug dealers offices with they will tell you to take NSAIDS.  Useless overpaid drug dealers for the most part. 
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Viking11 on October 18, 2013, 04:38:09 PM
thats not impressive at all

i pulled 500pounds natural at 185

Awesome!   I pulled 445 for 4 10 years before I even saw a steroid or used HRT.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Overload on October 19, 2013, 12:09:47 PM
And don't forget the "ancillary" supplements these dudes also use.  Amphetamine, narcotic analgesics, anti-inflammatory, etc.  BBing is an unhealthy sport, but power lifting is in another realm of sickness.  I can actually understand doing all that shit and shortening your life tremendously if you are getting millions of bucks and tons of whores, but to do it in a sport where you LOSE money to compete for the most part, is insane.

Very true as well.

A lot of power lifters that i know have some serious insecurity issues.

I know guys who used to snort coke in the bathroom before lifting heavy weights.  They said it added 20 pounds to all their lifts.  Also know guys who would take a handful of vicodin and some caffeine pills before working out so they could train through injuries.

Crazy shit.  The worst thing i did was huff those ammonia caps before max attempts and use massive dosages of AAS.


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Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: claymore on October 19, 2013, 02:12:46 PM
Hey fellas,

what do you think... how much juice are pro powerlifters like Brandon Lilly, Dan Greene and co. running? I know it's hard to tell but maybe there are some lifters
here on getbig who have an idea of how much drugs you need to pick up those heavy ass weights. 

I am aware that training is number 1 key for success in powerlifting and that genetics, bone structure and all that things play a big role... but to be at an elite level  you got to take your ''supps''.

I'll answer this later, gotta go squat with Stan.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Overload on October 19, 2013, 02:58:53 PM
Claymore trains with some of the top guys in the world.  :)


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Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Dago_Joe on October 19, 2013, 07:21:01 PM
I seriously doubt he used NSAIDS any more than an average soccer-mom. what killed his kidneys was injecting opiates, speed, and coke IV. the "Advil" stuff was an excuse for him to use in the mags.... most of us knew different. Tom was a typical asshole/coward who was bitter about everything all the time... just a real negative person, but face to face he was a pussy and wouldn't even look you in the eye, but behind a keyboard (and after doing a 1cc speedball) he was mister internet-onlympia-genetic-elite-better-everybody. karma is what happened to him. life gave him a realitycheque.

I don't doubt what you say.  I do know that when I was using 800mg ibuprofren 4 times a day as prescribed by my piece of shit drug dealer with a medical degree, my kidneys were in bad shape after 6 months.  Not to mention the ulcer I have now that almost perforated.  I rant about NSAIDS all the time because they are treated like benign beneficial substances.  They are dangerous drugs.  Period.  To top it off, my caring compassionate doctor tried to blame ME for my poor health!!!  He said it was because I ate so much protein and was a "weight lifter"!!  Really?!  This was before I knew what I know now and trusted doctors implicitly.  Fuck them all now.  They are the same as cops - it is a job to them and they could care less if you get better or drop dead.  You are a number in a file to doctors, just another body they are seeing in a day full of trying to cram in as many bodies as they can to maximize profits.  All about money, they don't give a shit about helping you or god forbid improve your health. 
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Sector on October 21, 2013, 02:08:01 AM
I don't doubt what you say.  I do know that when I was using 800mg ibuprofren 4 times a day as prescribed by my piece of shit drug dealer with a medical degree, my kidneys were in bad shape after 6 months.  Not to mention the ulcer I have now that almost perforated.  I rant about NSAIDS all the time because they are treated like benign beneficial substances.  They are dangerous drugs.  Period.  To top it off, my caring compassionate doctor tried to blame ME for my poor health!!!  He said it was because I ate so much protein and was a "weight lifter"!!  Really?!  This was before I knew what I know now and trusted doctors implicitly.  Fuck them all now.  They are the same as cops - it is a job to them and they could care less if you get better or drop dead.  You are a number in a file to doctors, just another body they are seeing in a day full of trying to cram in as many bodies as they can to maximize profits.  All about money, they don't give a shit about helping you or god forbid improve your health. 

Cause there is so much money to be made as a police officer?

Not that I dont fully agree with your opinion of doctors but theres always the good ones, though few in number.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on October 21, 2013, 04:02:23 AM
I'll answer this later, gotta go squat with Stan.

Thanks man! Looking forward your answer since you are like a real insider in this game ;)
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Dago_Joe on October 21, 2013, 08:40:12 AM
Cause there is so much money to be made as a police officer?

Not that I dont fully agree with your opinion of doctors but theres always the good ones, though few in number.

It is not about money at all for pigs.  They are on power trips.  They jerk their tiny cocks at getting to fuck with people and have them cower and plead to not get into trouble.  Just look at how people act around pigs and doctors too for that matter.  They act like pigs and docs are superhuman god-like beings.  And once again here we go with the "they are not all bad" apologists.  I say most are bad and a select few are actually good intentioned people who get caught up in a fucked system.  The entire system is the main problem.  The pigs and drug dealers with medical degrees simply work there.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on October 22, 2013, 07:39:38 PM
I work in the medical industry and there are lots of good doctors
Just need to shop around a little like any other business. One of the few times that I am actually racist but I discriminate against doctors that were trained outside of Australia/EU/USA
Especially when said doctors bring in their laptop saying it has a "virus" when the screen is broken, hope you can tell my arm doesn't have a virus if I ever break it...

I normally go for the stereotypical family doctor, white, male, middle aged, outside the city. Same with a therapist, although I prefer a female to talk to
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: claymore on November 07, 2013, 04:29:35 PM
Claymore trains with some of the top guys in the world.  :)


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LoL Claymore TRAINS with the TOP guys in the world !! lol Stan Efferding is ranked #1 in the world at 275 with a 2,303 RAW total and Eric Spoto is #1 in the bench press with a 722 RAW bench press. We just added Brittany Pryor to the mix she's ranked #2 in the USA with a 1300 RAW total 479.5 sqaut, 292.1 bench and a 529 deadlift...she's pulled 545.5 but they red lighted her yesterday ?? We've trained with Dan "the man" Green as well Oleskii Omelchenko, the reason i say all of this is because I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I"M TALKING ABOUT !!! what i'm about to say isn't opinion...IT'S FACT !!!

Typical Cycle is something like this:

1000mg of Test (Cyp, Enanthate, Blend)
600-1000mg of Deca
600-1000mg of EQ
Some type of oral (D-bol, Anadrol) if not both

Other drugs used:

Tren is used A LOT !!! 700mg-1500mg (just depends on the lifter)
Halotestin is used as well, anywhere from 3-4 weeks out from a meet dosage is really tricky, some people are super sensitive to this drug.
Test Suspension works very well, 3-4 weeks out from meet as well. (dosage is anywhere from 350mg-700mg a week)
Winstrol frees up SHBG, anywhere from 50mg-100mg daily 2-3 weeks at a time. Maybe like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Keep running it like this for the whole cycle.

Point of the story is it's not that hard, EAT A LOT, train your ass off !!! Get plenty of sleep and be consistent and you'll grow like a weed and be strong as FUCK !!!  :-*
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Overload on November 07, 2013, 04:45:13 PM
Thanks claymore!

Sounds similar to what i used back in the day when i was a gorilla.


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Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: anabolichalo on November 07, 2013, 04:47:07 PM
no HGH, insulin, igf1?
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: claymore on November 07, 2013, 05:57:47 PM
No problem "Overload"  ;) As for Insulin, GH, IGF-1 I think there HIGHLY Overrated, especially for powerlifting. If anything slin will help you eat more and that would be my #1 pick out of those three choices.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 08, 2013, 12:29:44 AM
no HGH, insulin, igf1?

Yeah I take insulin but no idea about the pros
It's obvious that Scot Mendelson takes slin.

I like 2ui pre workout, once a week. The day is a full body training day and I just get blood into everywhere. It's enough to notice a difference that's for sure. I'll take 4-6ui post training that day as the pizza comes out the oven then I slice it, put in the second pizza and some fries by then I'm starting to go hypo and ready to tuck in!
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: anabolichalo on November 08, 2013, 03:24:04 PM
high fat pizza and fries probably not the ideal food to eat with slin.
they raise the blood sugar like crazy

diabetics need a double dose at least when they eat a pizza or fries

Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 09, 2013, 04:17:49 AM
they raise the blood sugar like crazy

diabetics need a double dose at least when they eat a pizza or fries


too much fat, try to avoid fat on slin
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Wolfox on November 09, 2013, 03:52:07 PM
they raise the blood sugar like crazy

diabetics need a double dose at least when they eat a pizza or fries



Pizza actually has a low GI.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 09, 2013, 08:20:36 PM
Nice conjecture based on one sentence guys...
I keto diet and use the insulin to assist with the carb up
Also total calories you eat dictates how fat or lean you get. Lets not kid ourselves here. Eating at a caloric deficit 4 days a week with a 2 hour rampage meal with a few ui of insulin won't get you fat when you do 13 heavy sessions a week.

I agree, spiking your insulin and eating a load of fat is generally a bad idea. But in two hours I am only capable of eating roughly 3000-3500kcal and it's simply not going to undo a whole weeks worth of hard dieting. I'm finding quite the opposite actually, it ramps up my metabolic rate and I am pouring with sweat until around midday the next day. The next morning I am bloated by Sat night through until around Monday I look "great"
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 09, 2013, 11:03:00 PM
Nice conjecture based on one sentence guys...
I keto diet and use the insulin to assist with the carb up
Also total calories you eat dictates how fat or lean you get. Lets not kid ourselves here. Eating at a caloric deficit 4 days a week with a 2 hour rampage meal with a few ui of insulin won't get you fat when you do 13 heavy sessions a week.

I agree, spiking your insulin and eating a load of fat is generally a bad idea. But in two hours I am only capable of eating roughly 3000-3500kcal and it's simply not going to undo a whole weeks worth of hard dieting. I'm finding quite the opposite actually, it ramps up my metabolic rate and I am pouring with sweat until around midday the next day. The next morning I am bloated by Sat night through until around Monday I look "great"
no of course not, in your particular case it is just justified, but under regular circumstance general rules should be applied when using slin.

 Eating fat while pre workout slin will cause fat to go directly into the muscle cells, hence actually changing the hardness of the individual muscles being worked in the long run.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 10, 2013, 12:49:28 AM
no of course not, in your particular case it is just justified, but under regular circumstance general rules should be applied when using slin.

 Eating fat while pre workout slin will cause fat to go directly into the muscle cells, hence actually changing the hardness of the individual muscles being worked in the long run.

At the moment I can spike my insulin enough pre workout naturally. I'll have 10 egg whites scrambled no fats used (I save the yolks) and eat at just before I drive to the gym which is 10 mins away. I think this is around 3.5g of leucine and 5g of glutamine peptides and I'll double this up in the protein shake I drink on the way to the gym as well. This actually sends me hypo when I start training lol (tested with glucometer) and I'll have to sit down for 5 minutes then I am ok when the whey starts breaking down and I can continue training. But with the carb up having a few ui pre workout and with my meal helps a lot. I wouldn't want to use insulin pre workout on a non carb day really as I already go slightly hypo. Sometimes I'll have a handful of frozen blueberries in the middle of my workout which gives me 15g of carbs if it's really bad

Also eggs the morning after my carb up drops me into keto pretty much instantly!
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: anabolichalo on November 10, 2013, 05:47:58 AM
Pizza actually has a low GI.
theory and application prove very different in that case

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Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on November 10, 2013, 11:39:02 AM
Nice answers!  :D
Does anybody has an idea what those guys took or if they took less than powerlifters today?

 
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 10, 2013, 03:14:02 PM
theory and application prove very different in that case



There is the glycemic index, then the glycemic load.
Pizza is low GI, but if you're eating 500g of carbs then the LOAD is very high.
Watermelon is a very high GI, doesn't matter as there is fuck all sugar in there and you'd have to eat an ungodly amount to get the same GL as a pizza


Claymore: What are the advantages of TNE leading up to a meet? I usually take sustanon, daily injections with a slin pin. You said they use TNE 4 weeks out but why this far out? I can't think how it would be beneficial over any other form of test. The night before and morning of the meet I can see, MAYBE even the week of the meet but how can you possibly benefit from an instant rise in testosterone that far out? Thanks man. I'll probably be mining a shitload of info out of you in the coming months haha
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 10, 2013, 03:30:14 PM
There is the glycemic index, then the glycemic load.
Pizza is low GI, but if you're eating 500g of carbs then the LOAD is very high.
Watermelon is a very high GI, doesn't matter as there is fuck all sugar in there and you'd have to eat an ungodly amount to get the same GL as a pizza


Claymore: What are the advantages of TNE leading up to a meet? I usually take sustanon, daily injections with a slin pin. You said they use TNE 4 weeks out but why this far out? I can't think how it would be beneficial over any other form of test. The night before and morning of the meet I can see, MAYBE even the week of the meet but how can you possibly benefit from an instant rise in testosterone that far out? Thanks man. I'll probably be mining a shitload of info out of you in the coming months haha
TNE makes you lift lie a monster in the gym immediately after injecting, why wouldn`t this be beneficial to a power-lifter 4 weeks out
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 10, 2013, 07:33:42 PM
TNE makes you lift lie a monster in the gym immediately after injecting, why wouldn`t this be beneficial to a power-lifter 4 weeks out

I've never taken suspension so I didn't really know.
Generally I test maxes 18-21 days out as the Russian research says this is just about right for peaking. So after this, I am not really doing heavy work at all. Mostly in the 70-80% range for doubles and triples.
I know a lot of the equipped guys do circa max phases leading up to a meet and can now see it's benefit there. I've never really seen the need to be a monster that far out though. But I'd like to see what other people say for sure. Maybe it does make that much of a difference I really don't know!
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Christo on November 11, 2013, 12:57:00 PM
LoL Claymore TRAINS with the TOP guys in the world !! lol Stan Efferding is ranked #1 in the world at 275 with a 2,303 RAW total and Eric Spoto is #1 in the bench press with a 722 RAW bench press. We just added Brittany Pryor to the mix she's ranked #2 in the USA with a 1300 RAW total 479.5 sqaut, 292.1 bench and a 529 deadlift...she's pulled 545.5 but they red lighted her yesterday ?? We've trained with Dan "the man" Green as well Oleskii Omelchenko, the reason i say all of this is because I KNOW WHAT THE FUCK I"M TALKING ABOUT !!! what i'm about to say isn't opinion...IT'S FACT !!!

Typical Cycle is something like this:

1000mg of Test (Cyp, Enanthate, Blend)
600-1000mg of Deca
600-1000mg of EQ
Some type of oral (D-bol, Anadrol) if not both

Other drugs used:

Tren is used A LOT !!! 700mg-1500mg (just depends on the lifter)
Halotestin is used as well, anywhere from 3-4 weeks out from a meet dosage is really tricky, some people are super sensitive to this drug.
Test Suspension works very well, 3-4 weeks out from meet as well. (dosage is anywhere from 350mg-700mg a week)
Winstrol frees up SHBG, anywhere from 50mg-100mg daily 2-3 weeks at a time. Maybe like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Keep running it like this for the whole cycle.

Point of the story is it's not that hard, EAT A LOT, train your ass off !!! Get plenty of sleep and be consistent and you'll grow like a weed and be strong as FUCK !!!  :-*

And what is your opinion about the Olympic/World weightlifters? the same dosages?
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 11, 2013, 03:19:20 PM
And what is your opinion about the Olympic/World weightlifters? the same dosages?

It's more about recovery for them as it's technique based and they need to grease the groove very often.
Mostly anabolics, not androgens. Equipoise is right at the top of the positive tests right next to dbol. HGH is very popular also.

http://www.allthingsgym.com/top-10-banned-substances-weightlifters-got-caught-with/
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: claymore on November 12, 2013, 02:18:46 PM
There is the glycemic index, then the glycemic load.
Pizza is low GI, but if you're eating 500g of carbs then the LOAD is very high.
Watermelon is a very high GI, doesn't matter as there is fuck all sugar in there and you'd have to eat an ungodly amount to get the same GL as a pizza


Claymore: What are the advantages of TNE leading up to a meet? I usually take sustanon, daily injections with a slin pin. You said they use TNE 4 weeks out but why this far out? I can't think how it would be beneficial over any other form of test. The night before and morning of the meet I can see, MAYBE even the week of the meet but how can you possibly benefit from an instant rise in testosterone that far out? Thanks man. I'll probably be mining a shitload of info out of you in the coming months haha

There's no right or wrong way, but 4 weeks out is what most would do...the reason being if you've ever used real suspension it'll give you an INSANE pre-workout kick and that leads to really intense workouts which in return builds extreme confidence. Anyone that tells you "You have to use this or you have to take that" is FULL OF SHIT !!!! There's a 100 different ways to skin a cat ;)
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: claymore on November 12, 2013, 02:21:00 PM
And what is your opinion about the Olympic/World weightlifters? the same dosages?

Honestly I wouldn't have a clue ?? If i had to bet, I'm sure they take plenty lol now that i think about it, they probably got some super dooper rocket fuel that we don't know about lol
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 12, 2013, 03:22:55 PM
There's no right or wrong way, but 4 weeks out is what most would do...the reason being if you've ever used real suspension it'll give you an INSANE pre-workout kick and that leads to really intense workouts which in return builds extreme confidence. Anyone that tells you "You have to use this or you have to take that" is FULL OF SHIT !!!! There's a 100 different ways to skin a cat ;)

I train very frequently, very high volume. Think Sheiko but higher intensity.
I peak pretty much identically to Sheiko though. Maxes 18-21 days out then doubles and triples at 70-75% until the meet.
What do you think would be the most cost effective way to run suspension?

I'm poor so for my meet in December 13th I am currently running 500mg/week test enanthate, added in tren ace Nov 10th, 75mg over 2 days pinned daily. Start of December I start orals, take last test E injection on the 2nd and then the next day start sustanon at 1g a week spread out over daily injections.

My next meet after that will be states or nationals and I'd like to run suspension for sure. Sustanon is just so fucking cheap though!
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: OTHstrong on November 13, 2013, 12:56:31 PM
There's no right or wrong way, but 4 weeks out is what most would do...the reason being if you've ever used real suspension it'll give you an INSANE pre-workout kick and that leads to really intense workouts which in return builds extreme confidence. Anyone that tells you "You have to use this or you have to take that" is FULL OF SHIT !!!! There's a 100 different ways to skin a cat ;)
Claymore knows his shit no doubt and has worked out with the best of them. Can you tell us other poundage's Eric has done on other exercise related to the bench press bro? fuck he fucken tossed 500 like nothing, unbelievable, looked like most guys moving 1 plate
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on November 14, 2013, 12:23:24 PM
I train very frequently, very high volume. Think Sheiko but higher intensity.
I peak pretty much identically to Sheiko though. Maxes 18-21 days out then doubles and triples at 70-75% until the meet.
What do you think would be the most cost effective way to run suspension?

I'm poor so for my meet in December 13th I am currently running 500mg/week test enanthate, added in tren ace Nov 10th, 75mg over 2 days pinned daily. Start of December I start orals, take last test E injection on the 2nd and then the next day start sustanon at 1g a week spread out over daily injections.

My next meet after that will be states or nationals and I'd like to run suspension for sure. Sustanon is just so fucking cheap though!

Damn, Oni... dont know why,but somehow I thought you wouldn't take that much  :D
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 14, 2013, 07:25:19 PM
Damn, Oni... dont know why,but somehow I thought you wouldn't take that much  :D

It's only for a few weeks. I am pretty close to breaking the Australian record in my weight class.
I don't see any reason to go over 500mg total the rest of the year. After the meet I'll be doing 4 weeks 500mg test, 4 weeks 400mg deca + 125mg test
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on November 15, 2013, 11:00:33 AM
It's only for a few weeks. I am pretty close to breaking the Australian record in my weight class.
I don't see any reason to go over 500mg total the rest of the year. After the meet I'll be doing 4 weeks 500mg test, 4 weeks 400mg deca + 125mg test

Good luck with the record! Btw are you staying on year around or do you sometimes go off for few months?
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 15, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
I only just started but I don't see why I would come off.
Maybe for a month just to take my tolerance back down a little. DNP clears receptors right out, so I'll probably run that for a week and maintain size with peptides
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Dago_Joe on November 18, 2013, 08:50:32 AM
I only just started but I don't see why I would come off.
Maybe for a month just to take my tolerance back down a little. DNP clears receptors right out, so I'll probably run that for a week and maintain size with peptides

Sure you don't wanna be a bodybuilder?  You seem to have a kamikaze attitude.  DNP is some scary shit.  I know it is not as dangerous as some make it out to be, but it is legit straight up poison.  It interferes with a key step in the Kreb's Cycle which is how you produce ATP in your cells.  Not a great idea to fuck with that too much.  Certainly not a great idea to use DNP to clear out receptors between cycles.  You can accomplish that just by NOT TAKING GEAR!!!!  You may be a bodybuild in disguise oni, a career change may be in your future,
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 18, 2013, 08:05:28 PM
It's 5 days with a low dose
Who gives a shit
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on November 20, 2013, 10:36:54 AM
Sure you don't wanna be a bodybuilder?  You seem to have a kamikaze attitude.  DNP is some scary shit.  I know it is not as dangerous as some make it out to be, but it is legit straight up poison.  It interferes with a key step in the Kreb's Cycle which is how you produce ATP in your cells.  Not a great idea to fuck with that too much.  Certainly not a great idea to use DNP to clear out receptors between cycles.  You can accomplish that just by NOT TAKING GEAR!!!!  You may be a bodybuild in disguise oni, a career change may be in your future,

you guys are talkin about DNP shit and I don't even know what that is lol
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Dago_Joe on November 20, 2013, 11:29:53 AM
you guys are talkin about DNP shit and I don't even know what that is lol

Good keep it that way.  It is fucking crazy to use at any dosage.  People act like it is no big deal but it is in fact POISON.  For Olegoswitch, DNP is a chemical that through a complicated process blocks a step in energy production in cells and that creates a lot of heat and energy loss, so your body needs to utilize stored fat for fuel since it cannot produce enough on its own.  If you take enough you will die.  period.  Not worth fucking with, you will feel like shit on it and you could kill yourself if you dont dose it out correctly.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: oni on November 20, 2013, 05:01:07 PM
Nice scaremongering
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Mr.Olegowitsch on November 22, 2013, 11:32:12 AM
Good keep it that way.  It is fucking crazy to use at any dosage.  People act like it is no big deal but it is in fact POISON.  For Olegoswitch, DNP is a chemical that through a complicated process blocks a step in energy production in cells and that creates a lot of heat and energy loss, so your body needs to utilize stored fat for fuel since it cannot produce enough on its own.  If you take enough you will die.  period.  Not worth fucking with, you will feel like shit on it and you could kill yourself if you dont dose it out correctly.

Thanks for the answer, Dago Joe! Agree with you.
Title: Re: How much gear are pro powerlifters running?
Post by: Christo on November 23, 2013, 04:34:56 AM
Thanks for the answer, Dago Joe! Agree with you.


Pfff i saw the Russian Worldchampion Weightlifitng on Eurosport (clean and jerk 250 KG)he has a bodyweight of 156 KG!!!
He looks very big also. I am asking myself how much gear that guy  is taking...