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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: dj181 on October 11, 2013, 02:28:25 AM
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i'm a low volume HIT kinda guy and i usually just do 1 or 2 exercises per muscle group and 1 or 2 sets til failure per exercise while trying to apply progressive overload
but now i'm starting to wonder if pumping the muscle full of blood and nutrients might work better while on the sause?
i'm thinking about maybe focusing on increasing the weight on the 1st exercise per bodypart and then do maybe 2 more exercises but use them to focus on pumping the muscle up
so is it really possible to get bigger without increasing training loads while on?
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You should be going balls to the wall and eating a good bit
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sauce. if you can't spell it maybe you shouldn't do it......
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sauce. if you can't spell it maybe you shouldn't do it......
;D ;D ;D
sorry man, i guess that i was too excited posting this question out, seeing as i forgot the "h" in the as well LOL
You should be going balls to the wall and eating a good bit
what do you mean by "balls to the wall"?
it can mean a few different things actually
i was doing 1 or 2 very heavy sets til failure, but now i'm gonna switch up gears and try some sets of 15-20 reps for 3 or 4 hard sets per exercise and 2 or 3 exercises per bodypart
of course i'll still focus on progressive overload but it will be more like a volume overload since i'll be doing maybe 8-12 work sets per bodypart whereas before i only did maybe 3 or 4 work sets per bodypart
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he prob means 20 sets by 15reps per body part 3hrs aday everyday..... I would def add more sets in your routine.
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Yes Sir
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3 hour workouts ??? ??? ???
are you fellas serious here, or is it just some trolling on your part?
most peeps nowadays recommend not spending more than 1 hour in the gymnasium
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3 hour workouts ??? ??? ???
are you fellas serious here, or is it just some trolling on your part?
most peeps nowadays recommend not spending more than 1 hour in the gymnasium
sorry sheldon, next time i'll hold up a "sarcasm" sign...
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When I was natty I used to go for 2 ed and would work one major body part .....6 exercises 4 sets now days an hour to hour and half and would work ex. chest tris bis , back bis and legs delts I usually work traps with back and then on another day bis tris shoulders
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yeah, 90 minutes max
it seems that the old-school 70's fellas were doing 3 or 4 exercises per bodypart with 4 or 5 working sets per exercise, so that basically ends up being 12-20 sets per bodypart
i'll start at the lower end and then go up if need be, and here's an old-school arm that i'll be "gunning for" ;D
and btw, it feels damn good to finally be looking like a bodybuilder 8)
(http://www.legendaryfitness.com/RBawesomearm.jpg)
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The more hormones you're on the less training matters.
I personally dislike HIT and like higher volume routines.
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Me personally I just go heavier some times will on gear and have more fun. like I will just do things that would hurt my joints more if I wasn't on NPP and test. Like curl 100 pound barbell with perfect form. Or do some crazy leg work outs.... I get my best work outs personally when I just get insanely motivated and go do pyramid sets from heavy weight to the lowest weight I can move. I try to lift heavy for 3 sets of each exercise than I go to failure and usually move the weight down with no rest period what so ever tell I am just curling like 5 pounds. Lol it looks funny as fuck to see a big guy not be able to curl 5 pounds when his muscles are just dead from the work out. Ha ha ha I have pyramided down so low before I had skinny fitness girls lifting more than me who were standing next to me. but Also I have stacked up as much weight as I could find on the gym and have friends stand on top of machines to. To add additional weight. I think it is just a matter of mixing up high reps and low reps. And making sure to mold the muscle to the right shape. I mean you can have the biggest fucking biceps but if you never train to develop a peak even if it is a genetic week point it will never look as good as they could.
I say just mix every thing up do heavy days do light days. Do insane repetitions. Just keep mixing things up and you will find what works and when it stops mix it up more.
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I always train harder when im on than off. Like i do more pyramid seta on should flyes with barbels (dont kbow the english eorf for it). I take 3 diff weighrs barbelsm one light one medium and one par of heavy barbells. Then i go like this : 8reps light, 8reps medium, 8 reps heavy, 8 reps medium, 8 reps light =40 reps that i do for 3 sets. No way i would do so much excercises like that when im off
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The main thing is the intensity level.... on or off you have to push it to your limits it just seems like you are doing it differently when juiced up but in reality it does boast your strength and recovery time so you are able to go heavier and more often but if you work out properly while of your intensity level should be the same " IE TRY AS HARD AS YOU CAN ALL THE TIME" off or on
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IE TRY AS HARD AS YOU CAN ALL THE TIME" off or on
easier said than done
sometimes i think about taking some strong stims before training but that probably ain't the best idea seeing as stims jack up your blood pressure
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That's what TNE is for lol.
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That's what TNE is for lol.
One of the few pre-WOs worth using ;D
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easier said than done
sometimes i think about taking some strong stims before training but that probably ain't the best idea seeing as stims jack up your blood pressure
everything is easier said then done ....... so either get it done or not .... its black and white no grey .... I know so many people that only workout hard while on gear I workout hard on off during a holiday rain or shine except if I'm hungover
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The problem I have with this topic is should I train different while on sauce ? You shouldn't be dmtarining different ever train the same effort all the time... 100% is 100% just while on it gives you 150% results.... remember 45lb plate weighs the same either way
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If that doesn't sink in then we can't help you much ....... I just had a conversation during lunch on what I did to put on size and I leaned in and said TUNA with a grin and what was the reaction I got? A very confused look and disbelief...... was I telling the truth fuck yeah I was but that seem too simple , there has to be some magic trick I know to put on size..... theres no fucking trick its eat big lift big get big and if you are on hormones EAT BIGGER LIFT BIGGER GET BIGGER no easier said then done its what it is
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the point of the question is something like this...
it seems that while on roids one can train kinda light and just pump and pump and make thier muscles more cosmetic ie. look like a bodybuilder
i did chest and tris today and i pumped out 4 sets of 20 reps with a whopping 110 pounds and my pecs were looking damn good
later i did a similar thing for tris with the same result
i look bigger and fuller now since i've started this "light pumping" stuff
i just want to look good ie. have cosmetic muscles and i don't give a fuck about being "strong"
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Well I have no words of enlightenment for your type of thinking ...... I guess do whatever you feel works for whatever goal you want ...... but what your asking now is for a rep by set by exercise suggestion which I believe should go to the training board cause this has nothing to do with steroid/hardcore info
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I just re read your first post and the post with pic..... and I will say that you shouldn't have to use gear to look like a bodybuilder .... the gear comes into play when you max out your natural muscle mass and the training you described is in no disrespect is JUNK for physique I wish someone would chime in other then me
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come on man, you can't look that that fella naturally, no way in hell
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I used to do HIT... I have found that not only does increased volume seem to spare injuries much better, that I see much better results when on low doses.
My opinion is to up the volume when training on...... But I don't have a shitton of experience with juice.
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come on man, you can't look that that fella naturally, no way in hell
I didnt not say that.... I simply said you don't have to be full of gear to look like a bber ...... ah fuck this thread I'm getting nowhere you are difficult so just fucking take your drugs eat your food hit it harder then what you've done and fuck bitches
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I used to do HIT... I have found that not only does increased volume seem to spare injuries much better, that I see much better results when on low doses.
My opinion is to up the volume when training on...... But I don't have a shitton of experience with juice.
i think there's something to volume training while on, coz it causes a much better pump in the muscles and this pump brings the nutrients to the muscles to help them to grow better and even maybe recover faster
and if you do pump training with higher reps and more sets then you don't need to use such a damn heavy weight and it does spare the joints, so that's true
I didnt not say that.... I simply said you don't have to be full of gear to look like a bber ...... ah fuck this thread I'm getting nowhere you are difficult so just fucking take your drugs eat your food hit it harder then what you've done and fuck bitches
i'm difficult? now that's an understatement lol
i'm a stubborn asshole pretty much, but thanks for the input anyways dude and don't take it too personal ;D
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You can always incorporate both the dorian yates style work out and add in volume at the very end once you cant lift heavy anymore. So you get the best of both worlds. I think lifting heavy and intense does give a different look to the muscle. Pump up sets work to grow. But you will reach your limit with them because you are not really pushing your strength to go up. I mean if you do pump up set work outs lets say for 2 weeks and than go heavy for 2 weeks that would be a good starting point. But like said just go all out on every set and every rep on juice or not on juice. And that will really make the biggest difference. Especially when lifting like dorian yates. Because his style only works pretty much if you are on gear for the sake of your joints to have water retention around them for added cushioning plus if you are going all out. I mean that was the point of his work out style was so he could go all out. It is not easy though with a muscle group like legs though I mean any one can go all out on biceps but squats are a different more painful story. I have given up just one short of failure a few times its mentally hard to push through that type of pain. But very rewarding when you go all out and you know you left everything in the gym. Lol and you go home and lay down on the floor and feel like puking and cant eat or drink a shake.
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but the thing is, training til failure each and every set drains the fuck out of ya, even if on the sause
it could be that pumping and getting blood and nutrients into the muscle without the overkill of hitting failure often could be the best method for cosmetic effects
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I do 6 exercises for chest dumbbell presses starting at 70 and finishing at 120 for reps of 10 so about for sets then hammer strength incline 2 plates and up to 4 for sets of 10 then wide grip hammer 3 up to 5 plates for reps of 10 then a drop set till failure then peck deck heavy as hell and good form then decline chest cables the really wide smith incline presses high rep 15 with push ups at an angle ....... after that those pups are flooded then I fuck up tris wooooooooooooo makes my dick hard
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I'm a large fuck but not strict on diet and I'm a drunk so in not cut or pretty but no belly and now in 34's at 6'1" 270
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but the thing is, training til failure each and every set drains the fuck out of ya, even if on the sause
it could be that pumping and getting blood and nutrients into the muscle without the overkill of hitting failure often could be the best method for cosmetic effects
(http://storage.sfd.pl/1/images2006/20060502231843.JPG)
Why do you even bother asking? You just keep changing the question until you get the answer you want, so why even bother asking?
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Why do you even bother asking? You just keep changing the question until you get the answer you want, so why even bother asking?
finally someone says it
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Why do you even bother asking? You just keep changing the question until you get the answer you want, so why even bother asking?
Because it's an opportunity for dj181 to talk about dj181.
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but the thing is, training til failure each and every set drains the fuck out of ya, even if on the sause
You don't know this because you have never been on the sauce before.
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food for thought written by the much maligned, Christian Thibaudeau:
"STEROIDS, REPS AND WEIGHT
I have received some comments how low reps are not optimal to build muscle and how guys who are relying on low reps and heavy weights and who got big probably were using steroids. Nonsense!
If anything, it's the opposite!
From my experience working with a myriad of athletes and bodybuilders, natural and enhanced, individuals who are using steroids might respond better to higher reps and lower loads while naturals will grow more from high-force (heavy weight or explosive lifts) training with low reps.
This is a viewpoint shared by Micheal Gundhil, one of the foremost bodybuilding authority in Europe.
First of all steroids tend to increase muscle mass a lot more than tendon strength, in fact many steroids make the tendons more brittle and fragile. So you have a muscle that is much larger and stronger, but with a weaker attachment.
This both increases the risk of injury and eventually decreases the potential for strength gains because of an inhibitory mechanism due to the weaker tendons (the body will want to protect itself for a tendon tear and will reduce force production).
So ''enhanced'' athletes might progress fast at first from a program based on heavy, low reps lifting, but the risk of injuries will be drastically higher than for a natural trainee.
Not to mention that ''enhanced'' athletes can tolerate and recover from more training volume: they have a much greater rate of protein synthesis and also replenish muscle glycogen to a greater and faster extent. For that reason, they will thrive on doing a lot more work in the gym.
Finally, the increased rate of protein synthesis and constant anabolic state they are in reduces the need for a super powerful growth stimulus. I'm not saying that steroids are an ''easy way out''... to get the most out of it you must still train hard; but a lot of big bodies have been built with ''easy'' workouts when using steroids.
So basically in an "enhanced" athlete you have:
- increased protein synthesis and glycogen storage + lowered cortisol = better tolerance for volume
- constant anabolic state = less need for a powerful growth stimulus
- muscles that get stronger much faster than tendons = greater potential for injury
So this means that an enhanced lifter will respond better to high volume/moderate load training than their natural counterparts.
I'm not saying that low-reps/high force training is not effective for drug-using lifters, it is VERY effective. What I'm saying is that this type of training might be more hazardous for the enhanced and not as necessary to stimulate growth. As such, a steroid-using bodybuilder would be best to use high-force/low reps lifting in short cycles followed by bouts of higher volume training.
A natural lifter doesn't have these "problems". While his muscles will still grow stronger faster than the tendons, the difference is not as pronounced (especially considering that some steroids will make the tendons weaker). So the risk of low reps lifting is much lower for a natural trainee, so he can stay on this type of training for longer.
Actually I believe that high volume training will cause more injuries than high-force training in the natural lifter.
Since the natural lifter's anabolic to catabolic (testosterone, igf-1, GH / cortisol) ratio is not constantly in the positive range, the regulation of training volume is much more important if maximum progress is desired. So a natural lifter who does too much volume can really short-circuit his gains.
And because it is harder for a natural lifter to stimulate growth, he needs a more powerful stimulus... high-force lifting.
This is why I believe that low-reps/high force training, contrary to what some believe, is actually better suited to natural lifters than enhanced ones.
As for frequency for enhanced lifters, here is what I believe:
- TECHNICALLY enhanced lifters are able to train each muscle group more often because of the increased protein synthesis and glycogen storage. In other words the muscles recover faster from training.
- Still IN THEORY enhanced lifters are able to train more often (as in more days per week) for the same reason as above AND because they artificially blunt the action of cortisol at the receptor level.
HOWEVER in reality they should actually train each muscle group LESS OFTEN.
Why? Because...
- although their muscles recover faster their tendons do not. This, once again, increase the risk of injuries because as time goes by the muscles will get stronger while the tendons get progressively (and proportionally) weaker.
- while the increased protein synthesis and glycogen storage will allow the muscle to do more work and recover faster, the nervous system will not recover any faster (in fact some steroids are psychostimulants that might even drain the nervous system even more during a training session). For that reason an enhanced lifter might miss the signs that it's time to give the body a break: the muscles can still do the job, the lifter is still gaining strength and size... so he assumes that everything is fine. But the risk of chronic fatigue is quite real, he just doesn't see it."
Basically... an enhanced lifter CAN train more often. But by doing so he is likely to do more harm than good, especially in the long run.
Not to mention that since AAS basically makes the lifter anabolic 24-7, he requires a lesser frequency of stimulation to gain size and strength, so training at a higher frequency is unecessary.