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Sick pics man , this was in the 90s when diuretics were dropping everyone like hot potatos , I bet Paul never fucked with them again.
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judging from the second pic, paul probably got a handjob to make him feel better..
seriously though, water loss drugs were and are very dangerous.
Paul is very lucky.
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I remember reading pauls take on this. He claimed that he took Lasix prior to prejudging given to him by a well known 'guru'.
As he was inexperianced in contest prep he took them without question (even though he claimed he already looked ready) and duely pissed for 1 hour straight. He claimed that he could not believe how he was able to piss so much and he concluded the water was coming out of his vital organs.
It frightened him to death and I know he was very careful with duretic use after this incident.
Flex Wheelers acount of his own duretic use in his book Flexability is also pretty harrowing.
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Anyone got the video?
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He discusses that show in his last article in Muscle Mag. with Cutler on the cover. He said it was his first time taking 40mg of Lasix (spelling?).
Was hospitalized for that one.
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I was at the show sitting in the same row as Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, and several other top level bodybuilders. Paul was so stiff, the pushed him over and carred him offstage as stiff as a board. Funny thing is, Flex kept yelling "suck it up Paul". If Paul would have made it through the prejudging, he possibly would have won the show. But, did Paul ever make it through a prejudging, at least without almost dying?
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I was at the show sitting in the same row as Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, and several other top level bodybuilders. Paul was so stiff, the pushed him over and carred him offstage as stiff as a board. Funny thing is, Flex kept yelling "suck it up Paul". If Paul would have made it through the prejudging, he possibly would have won the show. But, did Paul ever make it through a prejudging, at least without almost dying?
You are right when you say Paul may well have won that show. It was probably the best he looked in his career. Sad thing was that he did not need the extra duretics that night.
Live and learn
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Im feeling sick just looking at those photos. Just ridiculous.
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MOS
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In other news, this just in!! Mario Bros arcade game manufacturer Nintendo has just released it's first 8-bit in-home game console! Details are still coming in, but it appears Super Mario Bros will be included with the release of the new gaming system...stay tuned!!
MOS
Thats pretty funny. nothing like a trip down memory lane once in a while :D
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Maybe the lasix would've allowed him hold his poses longer without shaking ;D
Great physique, but worst poser of all time.
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Sick pics man , this was in the 90s when diuretics were dropping everyone like hot potatos , I bet Paul never fucked with them again.
Funny shit man
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Hold on to your hats folks, but word has it that Washington has just crossed the Delaware!
MOS
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Hold on to your hats folks, but word has it that Washington has just crossed the Delaware!
MOS
are the Hessians with him?
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I just bodyslammed Andre the Giant in front of 93,000 people.
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Looks healthy, this thing called Bodybuilding.. :P
very healthy.....
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damn look at the titties on that blonde. :o
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:o :o :o :o
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**** Paul i'm wondering who that blonde is.
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Oh yea, congrats to Cutler for winning the Crazy Legs Contest at the Mr. O! ;D
PS: The Blonde would be "Toni Dee" Judge/Expeditor for the IFBB :o
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Sick pics man , this was in the 90s when diuretics were dropping everyone like hot potatos , I bet Paul never fucked with them again.
Potassium imbalance is serious business. Tha's what the lethal injection consists of:Potassium Chloride. You're dead in seconds.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dillet was the most cartoonish bodybuilder ever. He looked like a fuken action figure even had badass calves (no black mans curse). Too bad his posing sucked and his back wasn't as good as the rest of him. He was the 90's version of Sergio.
Makes you think how freaky Oliva would have looked if he was competing in today. It would be scary. Him against Ronnie would be amazing!!
Imagine a callout Dillet, Coleman, Oliva That would be something to see.
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JP Fux always struck me as the most cartoonish, followed by dillett and ronnie.
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Shawn....
did you ever have to use Oxygen back stage like Ronnie is showing in that picture?
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how do u guys find some of these pictures ???
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Can anyone with medical know how discuss what would be the long term repercussions of that for Paul?
Lasix is a 'loop diuretic'....meaning it works on the loop of Henle, a structure in the kidney involved with the reabsorbing of water.
Complicated process but the short version is that Lasix encourages the kidneys to remove water from the blood thus producing more urine....the body keeps the ammount of water in the blood and tissues in balance so as the ammount of water in the blood decreases fluid is drawn out of the tissues to dilute the blood and keep this balance.....this is the effect bodybuilders seek, drawing water out of the tissues....particularly from under the skin for that dry look.
Problems with it....when you take water out of the blood and increase its viscosity you risk a heart attack (EPO users have this same problem but theirs is from an increased red blood cell count making their blood thick)...loop diuretics cause the excretion of sodium and potassium, these elctrolytes are used to convey the electrical signal across your heart for it to beat....no sodium and potassium in your system means a cardiac arrest....
Lasix use can be fatal but an earlier post said Dillet used 40mg....this is not a large ammount, thats a standard adult dose in UK EMS for fluid on the lungs (LVF)....in fact i've seen a Dr whack 80mgs in an old chap in a single dose...i can only assume Dillet was already badly dehydrated before the Lasix went in.
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Maybe this belongs to his posing routine.
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Maybe this belongs to his posing routine.
;D
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Lasix is a 'loop diuretic'....meaning it works on the loop of Henle, a structure in the kidney involved with the reabsorbing of water.
Complicated process but the short version is that Lasix encourages the kidneys to remove water from the blood thus producing more urine....the body keeps the ammount of water in the blood and tissues in balance so as the ammount of water in the blood decreases fluid is drawn out of the tissues to dilute the blood and keep this balance.....this is the effect bodybuilders seek, drawing water out of the tissues....particularly from under the skin for that dry look.
Problems with it....when you take water out of the blood and increase its viscosity you risk a heart attack (EPO users have this same problem but theirs is from an increased red blood cell count making their blood thick)...loop diuretics cause the excretion of sodium and potassium, these elctrolytes are used to convey the electrical signal across your heart for it to beat....no sodium and potassium in your system means a cardiac arrest....
Lasix use can be fatal but an earlier post said Dillet used 40mg....this is not a large ammount, thats a standard adult dose in UK EMS for fluid on the lungs (LVF)....in fact i've seen a Dr whack 80mgs in an old chap in a single dose...i can only assume Dillet was already badly dehydrated before the Lasix went in.
Right on the money. Genius explanation. You did forget to mention, though, that lasix, unlike other diuretics, also flushes Sodium from the body. Nasty stuff.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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judging from the second pic, paul probably got a handjob to make him feel better..
seriously though, water loss drugs were and are very dangerous.
Paul is very lucky.
wasnt that the time he was taking Lasix w/out knowing WTF he was doing?
he locked up like a huge boner...
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nope she gets NO credit for the fake ass rack...
those are not boobs they are plastic bags...
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we need videos man..
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh...........N O! To Both questions :'(
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how do u guys find some of these pictures ???
These were in Flex magazine.
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how much did he weight during the show. He must of been pretty heavy to move, good thing there was bodybuilders to move him just in case those average folk could not
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Oh yea, congrats to Cutler for winning the Crazy Legs Contest at the Mr. O! ;D
PS: The Blonde would be "Toni Dee" Judge/Expeditor for the IFBB :o
well she can expedite my ballsack anyday
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Despite the diuretics ban by the IFBB, I suspect we'll never really get rids of these drugs. They simply work better than Sodium-restriction diets.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Sick pics man , this was in the 90s when diuretics were dropping everyone like hot potatos , I bet Paul never fucked with them again.
what exactly happend he froze how
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I highly doubt this happened to Paul taking just 40mg of Lasix. I have 80mg right here in front of me and I take them about 1 or 2 times a week. Not every week but sometimes. Depending on how bloated I feel. I used to take them more often when I trained harder. I have literally lost 14 lbs. in 3 1/2 hours. I pissed so much. I sometimes piss in a 1 gallon milk jug and then empty it out when it is full. That is about 7lbs or so. Most of the time the y work good but I have had times when nothing comes out. Does anyone know why this is.
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why are you taking so much Lasix Keith?
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh...........NO! To Both questions :'(
Shawn....since your back stage at some of the contests....
whats the percentage of guys that actually use & need oxygen?
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Another pic
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Sick pics man , this was in the 90s when diuretics were dropping everyone like hot potatos , I bet Paul never fucked with them again.
That first pic reminds me of that rape scene from that prision movie that Tom Selleck was in....scary
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That first pic reminds me of that rape scene from that prision movie that Tom Selleck was in....scary
an innocent man
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That first pic reminds me of that rape scene from that prision movie that Tom Selleck was in....scary
The first picture reminds me of Kitty when Kitty wakes up & stretches the paw straight out
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Another pic
Ahh.. Is it morning already?
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:'(
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:'(
did he froze again after the photoshoot?
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:-*
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I remember reading pauls take on this. He claimed that he took Lasix prior to prejudging given to him by a well known 'guru'.
The person isn't really known as a drug guru. It was John Romano.
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I bet Paul never fucked with them again.
Are you kidding? Of course he did them again.
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The person isn't really known as a drug guru. It was John Romano.
I thought John is the wanker from the alley of 43rd St. in New York
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Why would a pro bodybuilder take drug advice from a dumbass like Romano? that boggles the mind.
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NarcissisticDeity , what year did this take place ? Or anyone for that matter ?|
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NarcissisticDeity , what year did this take place ? Or anyone for that matter ?|
94 AC
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very healthy.....
So what pussy! :-*
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Potassium unbalance is serious business. Tha's what the lethal injection consists of:Potassium Chloride. You're dead in seconds.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Potasium helps regulate the heart, if fluids were not immediately delivered he could have gone into Defib...
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Furosemide blocks the NKCC transporter in the ascending loop of Henle thus preventing reabsorption of water (which follows the solutes back into the nephron by osmosis). Very simple mechanism of action.
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You are right when you say Paul may well have won that show. It was probably the best he looked in his career. Sad thing was that he did not need the extra duretics that night.
Live and learn
Agreed.
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Sick pics man , this was in the 90s when diuretics were dropping everyone like hot potatos , I bet Paul never fucked with them again.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50068.0;attach=51244;image)
This is exactly how I get carried out of clubs from consuming too much G
Factory - JP
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I think the guy with the plaid trousers is grabbing Paul's nibblets. ;D
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what exactly happend he froze how
If I remember correctly, he started his posing routine as normal, started hitting poses, but his muscles started cramping and he couldn't "unflex" his muscles. He just froze completely.
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Yep, there's health and fitness for you...
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Wasnt it hypoglycemia that made Paul collapse? :-\
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Wasnt it hypoglycemia that made Paul collapse? :-\
That was another incident years later. Chad took the blame for "not being in his room watching him eat enough".
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Wasnt it hypoglycemia that made Paul collapse? :-\
He almost went into hypoglycaemic coma a few years later from taking too much insulin without enough carbs. I used to quote that years ago on the steroid info board to try and stop young and/or inexperienced BB's thinking about messing with insulin.
Regarding the lasix(frusemide), 40mg is a small dose for a large man so if that's all he took then he must have alreadt taken plenty of other diuretics in the preceeding days and have been very dehydrated. We use it to control high blood pressure and for patient with heart failure. In emergencies when patient can't breathe from so much fluid on their lungd(pulmonary oedema) I have given little old ladies 80mg IV stat and then another 40 to 80 and hour or 2 later.
The Doc ;)
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So is it safe to say that Paul came down with a bad case of the Chad that night?
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50068.0;attach=51244;image)
This is exactly how I get carried out of clubs from consuming too much G
Factory - JP
hahahahahahaha yes
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Is that Bob Bonham on the far left grabbing Paul's calf?
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yes , that was me. I remember two things. his whole body was very stiff making it diffcult to get in good position to move him.
While we were massaging the abs, there was a spot below them,maybe 2" x 3 " that was hard as granite . I told Paul he had a hernia. You can see where he was grabbing in one of the pictures about the spot he was holding. A couple of years later he told me he indeed had one.
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yes , that was me. I remember two things. his whole body was very stiff making it diffcult to get in good position to move him.
While we were massaging the abs, there was a spot below them,maybe 2" x 3 " that was hard as granite
wow, that sounds gay.
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Sick pics man , this was in the 90s when diuretics were dropping everyone like hot potatos , I bet Paul never fucked with them again.
That wasn't from diuretics, it was from insilin. He took way to much before going on stage.
PB
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yes , that was me. I remember two things. his whole body was very stiff making it diffcult to get in good position to move him.
While we were massaging the abs, there was a spot below them,maybe 2" x 3 " that was hard as granite . I told Paul he had a hernia. You can see where he was grabbing in one of the pictures about the spot he was holding. A couple of years later he told me he indeed had one.
Do you think this kind of work is what your parents had in mind for you?
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lol getting close to the dark side of bodybuilding funny
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I remember those pics all to well. It's a shame Paul never pulled himself together and made something of his career instead of always being the one with the potential but never the winner.
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has anyone seen or heard about Paul dillett lately. it seems like he completely backed away from the profession that Fed him
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has anyone seen or heard about Paul dillett lately. it seems like he completely backed away from the profession that Fed him
Seemed he was trying to make a "comeback" a few years back. He did one of those "transformation" thingies for Musclemag or something. I can't remember exactly.
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Anyone that takes lasix without taking corresponding potassium is a moron. Lasix really isn't that dangerous if taken correctly. And you definitely don't use 40mgs if you're already dry as fuck. Again stupidity. Most probodybuilders have no clue about pharmacology. They take shit based on word of mouth or willy nilly. I've witnessed it first hand. They don't even know how many mg's a week they take. It's a few ml's of this a syringe full of this. LOL.
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Anyone that takes lasix without taking corresponding potassium is a moron. Lasix really isn't that dangerous if taken correctly. And you definitely don't use 40mgs if you're already dry as fuck. Again stupidity. Most probodybuilders have no clue about pharmacology. They take shit based on word of mouth or willy nilly. I've witnessed it first hand. They don't even know how many mg's a week they take. It's a few ml's of this a syringe full of this. LOL.
was he a few milligrams short of a fatal dose?
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was he a few milligrams short of a fatal dose?
There is no fatal dose of Lasix per se. The guy that says they inject KCL for lethal injection is correct but that's not the same thing as Lasix. Lasix is a loop diuretic. meaning it depletes your potassium stores and a lack of potassium leads to cardiac arrythmias which can be fatal. 40mgs is an average dose of oral lasix. 20mg is low and 60mg is high. Oral is not as fast acting as IV either. And Lasix lasts 6 hours hence the name LAst SIX hours. Like I said when you are probably already depleted from dieting and getting into contest shape, already have low intravascular and intracellular fluid to take lasix on top is stupid, especially without taking corresponding meq's of K. These guys have no clue how these drugs work. Also mega doses of anabolic steroids can already hamper your electrolyte levels.
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are the Hessians with him?
no he fought the hessians on the other side ::)