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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: whitewidow on October 21, 2013, 04:29:46 AM
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I get all my goods ready before bed and hit up the needle later when I wake up and hit the gym later in the night as long as I feel 100%. My back is still not even close to 100%. The HGH helps some.I got some Serostim 4 IU daily, Test depot 200mg Every week sometimes twice a week, 20-30mg dbol daily,50mg anavar daily, 50mg halo pre-workout 30mg 5 days a week,
My pain medication for my discs oxycodone- won't discuss amount, alprazolam(xanax) 1-2mg usually two to three times daily so around 4-6mg a day, 1mg after breakfast,2mg after lunch, 2mg before Bed. Blood work is fine.
I sometimes throw in Insulin but I have a brother with diabetes and my grandpa had Diabetes now he has passed on. so I am trying to stay away from insulin, I like drinking 100% pure grapefruit juice instead of grapefruits. I feel weird eating grapefruits after the kai greene incident. Sometimes I drop the dbol and anavar and just use 200mg Test depot every week and 4Iu serostim daily.
I stay on the Test depot 200mg a week and 4Iu HGh daily all year but the orals I rotate. I stick it out with the back pain meds and the alprazolam(xanax) daily unless I run out early wich has happened a few times. But I have done pretty well considering the length i have used the meds. If I run out of any of my medication I feel pretty sick even if it is just Test or dbol. I have not needed any on cycle anchileries since the doses are so low even when I come off the orals i always feel fine I use some DHEA and a OTC aromatise inhibitor/ estrogen blocker. I think DHEA is unbderrate it seems to work very well for me.
I also like Vitargo CGL but it is very sugary but works very well-IMO.I stick with Test and HGh all year but drop the orals every few months or switch them up. I mainly like running halodex(Halotesten) and oxandrolone.The orals have never put any strain on my liver or kidneys even with the added oxys and xanax. Not 100% my Dbol is authentic british dispensary tabs but they do have dbol in them they might be authentic but I heard the company british dispensary had shutdown so hard to know if they are from british dispensary or just a knockoff with the active drug.
They seem to be the authentic anabol tabs as they carry androlic,anabol 10's,anabol 15's,anabol 20's and the stanazol just like the original company did. Not many people knew the authentic British dispensary made 15mg dbo,and 20mg dbol tabs along with 5mg and 10mg tabs,most just thought British dispensary made 5mg and 10mg anabol tabs. It was just most suppliers did not carry the 15mg tabs and 20mg tabs since they were packed in such small conatiners the 20mg tabs just were packed in 100 tab bottles as I can recall. This source does not carry them so I kind of forget but pretty sure they were just 100tab bottles.
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Woah! Legit pharma 'Var? What does one of those bottles go for?
at the pharmacy without insurance close to 900$ for #60 -10mg tabs at walgreens you can call and ask for a quote. They are really that much with no insurance i have some shitty coverage where I get a little over 50% off sometimes more just depends on the medication.
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The grapefruit juice has properties which inhibit enzymes in the liver making your opiates, benzos, and your gear ever more potent. I'm sure you know this but consider that perhaps doing this day in day out may be putting undue strain on your liver.
In case anyone is interested...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP3A4
If you scroll down to the list and see the "substrates" those are the drugs that involve cyp3a4 metabolism. Taking "inhibitors" will increase their biovailability...I know it sounds extremely awesome but I've come to the conclusion that everything in life comes with a price.
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btw some drugs need cyp induction to work properly but most of the ones of my interest are increased with inhibition. At times I take piperine (another inhibitor) in the form of black pepper since its been proven to increase bioavialability of curcumin (substance in tumeric) by 2000%.
http://www.delano.com/blog/?tag=piperine
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btw some drugs need cyp induction to work properly but most of the ones of my interest are increased with inhibition. At times I take piperine (another inhibitor) in the form of black pepper since its been proven to increase bioavialability of curcumin (substance in tumeric) by 2000%.
http://www.delano.com/blog/?tag=piperine
Yes I know all about the grapefruit juice way before they used to put warning labels on the medication bottles. grapefruit juice100% in fact has a enzyme that increases bioavailability and from what I have also heard it can raise IGF-1 levels and HGH levels. I will read those links,but I have been a fan of post workout 100% grapefruit juice after every workout and it def gets me leaner due to those powerfull enztmes 100% grapefruit juice contains . grapfruits and 100% grapefruit juice are also considered one of the top 5 most anabolic foods, herring fillets are #1 due to all the natural creatine a person gets from herring fillets. I tried to eat a can of herring fillets and I almost threw up. I have no idea why Gh15 would say pineapple juice was better then 100% grapefruit juice. Through all my years I have only heard good things about 100% grapefruit juice. I believe in grapefruits and 100% grapefruit juice but Kai has a whole other idea where you get super human if you start fucking them :-\. I will check that other link out as well. most all this I use for HRT my dose is very low and like i said i switch the orals out except for my pain medication and my anxiety medication those I take daily.
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There's another citrus fruit similar to a grapefruit called bitter orange. Doesn't have the liver enzyme inhibition or anything like that but it does have synephrine which can help in weight loss as a mild stimulant and appetite suppressant. I didn't even know this stuff existed till recently, while I visited a farm my family owns in central america where they have both grapefruits and bitter oranges among other things.
Nature bro...fascinating ;D
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There's another citrus fruit similar to a grapefruit called bitter orange. Doesn't have the liver enzyme inhibition or anything like that but it does have synephrine which can help in weight loss as a mild stimulant and appetite suppressant. I didn't even know this stuff existed till recently, while I visited a farm my family owns in central america where they have both grapefruits and bitter oranges among other things.
Nature bro...fascinating ;D
Isn't synephrine like synthetic adrenaline? or synephrine converts to adrenaline. I was in the supplement business when I was younger and the synephrine was suppose to get your adrenaline glands going correct me if I am wrong?
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Isn't synephrine like synthetic adrenaline? or synephrine converts to adrenaline. I was in the supplement business when I was younger and the synephrine was suppose to get your adrenaline glands going correct me if I am wrong?
I'm not sure exactly how it works. I always just stuck with ephedrine for cutting since its available otc in canada.
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You sparked my curiosity...
http://www.musclepharm.com/article/synephrine-what-it
How does it work?
Synephrine stimulates the sympathetic nervous system, which is activated during excitement or stress. This branch of the nervous system increases heart rate as opposed to the parasympathetic nervous system which decreases heart rate.
At the cellular level, synephrine acts on different receptors through the release of norepinephrine and epinephrine. There are five different classes of receptors: alpha 1, alpha 2, beta 1, beta 2, and beta 3. Although there is ongoing research to confirm exactly which of the receptors synephrine acts upon, most data indicates effects on beta 3 and limited effects on beta 2 and alpha 2.
The beta 3 receptor increases the rate of fat release from body stores, which is known as lipolysis, and increases the resting metabolic rate, which is known as thermogenesis. Research also shows synephrine has limited affects on beta 2 and alpha 2 receptors. The beta 2 receptor is located in heart muscle. It influences heart function and causes dilation of blood vessels in the heart. The alpha 2 receptor is located in adipose tissue and can inhibit lipolysis.
Synephrine is thought to be a safer supplement than ephedrine because of its actions on the receptors. Limited effects on the beta 2 receptors indicates that synephrine should not cause as many heart problems as ephedrine and the limited effect on alpha 2 indicates that the effects of beta 3 will not be inhibited.
Synephrine vs. Ephedrine
After the ban of ephedrine, dietary supplement companies needed a new stimulant to use as an ingredient. Synephrine and ephedrine were found to be chemically similar with similar effects as well. Many companies found synephrine to have the same stimulant properties without some of the harmful side effects ephedrine was argued to have, such as the cause of cardiovascular problems, respiratory problems, and nervous system problems. Continuing research shows that synephrine may be more thermogenic and less stimulatory than ephedrine due to the differences in effects on the beta and alpha receptors. However, there is still a debate as to how safe and effective synephrine really is.
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You sparked my curiosity...
http://www.musclepharm.com/article/synephrine-what-it
How does it work?
Synephrine stimulates the sympathetic nervous system, which is activated during excitement or stress. This branch of the nervous system increases heart rate as opposed to the parasympathetic nervous system which decreases heart rate.
At the cellular level, synephrine acts on different receptors through the release of norepinephrine and epinephrine. There are five different classes of receptors: alpha 1, alpha 2, beta 1, beta 2, and beta 3. Although there is ongoing research to confirm exactly which of the receptors synephrine acts upon, most data indicates effects on beta 3 and limited effects on beta 2 and alpha 2.
The beta 3 receptor increases the rate of fat release from body stores, which is known as lipolysis, and increases the resting metabolic rate, which is known as thermogenesis. Research also shows synephrine has limited affects on beta 2 and alpha 2 receptors. The beta 2 receptor is located in heart muscle. It influences heart function and causes dilation of blood vessels in the heart. The alpha 2 receptor is located in adipose tissue and can inhibit lipolysis.
Synephrine is thought to be a safer supplement than ephedrine because of its actions on the receptors. Limited effects on the beta 2 receptors indicates that synephrine should not cause as many heart problems as ephedrine and the limited effect on alpha 2 indicates that the effects of beta 3 will not be inhibited.
Synephrine vs. Ephedrine
After the ban of ephedrine, dietary supplement companies needed a new stimulant to use as an ingredient. Synephrine and ephedrine were found to be chemically similar with similar effects as well. Many companies found synephrine to have the same stimulant properties without some of the harmful side effects ephedrine was argued to have, such as the cause of cardiovascular problems, respiratory problems, and nervous system problems. Continuing research shows that synephrine may be more thermogenic and less stimulatory than ephedrine due to the differences in effects on the beta and alpha receptors. However, there is still a debate as to how safe and effective synephrine really is.
dosn't sound like the compound I was thinking of there is something out there that stimulates your adenal glands. nothing will match ephedra or ephedrine. I thought people were still allowed to purchase a certain amount of ephedrine a month. Bodybuilding.com used to sell vasopro wich was 25mg of ephedrine and i believe 50-100mg of guaffenesin and people started using ECA stacks with ephedrine instead of ephedra. The whole ephedra ban is so stupid! I remember when Hydroxycutt had Ephedra in it and it was the hottest product for awhile. Even when ephedra was banned and there was just ephedrine wich is supposively a little more potent then ephedra The VPX redline was a pretty strong product same with that lipozene or lipoderm those yellow tabs made by jarrod wheats company.
I think eventually they even stopped people from being able to buy epjedrine wich is sad. I had a hard time even getting prescribed pseudoephedrine for a stuffed up nose.These days you just have to get hard core and use harsh laxative type products wich are awful for your kidneys and liver, plus they banned all the prohormones wich was bullshit and us guys in the supplement business could not buy shit! there was some old twinlabs fat burner that still had ephedra in it and so many people wanted to buy them. They would sell out soon as they came in stock, what made things so shitty was when the FDA banned Ephedra and most all prohormones. alot of us in the supplement game lost alot of money after making record high amounts the last few years,
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dosn't sound like the compound I was thinking of there is something out there that stimulates your adenal glands. nothing will match ephedra or ephedrine. I thought people were still allowed to purchase a certain amount of ephedrine a month. Bodybuilding.com used to sell vasopro wich was 25mg of ephedrine and i believe 50-100mg of guaffenesin and people started using ECA stacks with ephedrine instead of ephedra. The whole ephedra ban is so stupid! I remember when Hydroxycutt had Ephedra in it and it was the hottest product for awhile. Even when ephedra was banned and there was just ephedrine wich is supposively a little more potent then ephedra The VPX redline was a pretty strong product same with that lipozene or lipoderm those yellow tabs made by jarrod wheats company.
I think eventually they even stopped people from being able to buy epjedrine wich is sad. I had a hard time even getting prescribed pseudoephedrine for a stuffed up nose.These days you just have to get hard core and use harsh laxative type products wich are awful for your kidneys and liver, plus they banned all the prohormones wich was bullshit and us guys in the supplement business could not buy shit! there was some old twinlabs fat burner that still had ephedra in it and so many people wanted to buy them. They would sell out soon as they came in stock, what made things so shitty was when the FDA banned Ephedra and most all prohormones. alot of us in the supplement game lost alot of money after making record high amounts the last few years,
Yeah I remember the ban of ephedra in the u.s was after a baseball player died but that was during summer so the heat and preexisting heart troubles didn't help. Screwed things for the rest of you there but in canada pure ephedrine is still available, as much as you want as long as the tabs don't exceed 8mg.
All the good stuff gets banned immediately for otc fat burners I won't even use any of them. Dmaa or whatever looked good but got banned and taken out recently.
Looks like you're dieting btw... no fat burners??
Can't imagine they would be good to mix with the oxys and benzos though...
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oh and what you were thinking of might have been yohimbine. It releases noradrenalin from the adrenal glands and I've seen it stacked with synephrine/caffeine before...somewhere.
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oh and what you were thinking of might have been yohimbine. It releases noradrenalin from the adrenal glands and I've seen it stacked with synephrine/caffeine before...somewhere.
all I hear about yohimbe is it is suppose to make you horny-lol. They also put it in alot of fat burners like nutrex lipo-6 wich used to be americas #1 fat burner they used Yohimbe in lipo-6 and there was anothjer product called mojo that was just yohimbe that was like a libido booster so from what I hear they sell yohimbe as a fat burner and a libido booster.I never had luck selling pure yohimbe but if it was mixed in a fat burner I could sell alot of it like Lipo-6 we sold alot of lipo-6 and that had Yohimbe in it so did nutrex-vitrix.
No I can't really drink coffee or take any fat burners they fuck with my medication. fat burners usually drive me to a upward feeling and my medications make me feel real sedated so it will give me a horrible headache. I don;t need fat burners,even when I was off of meds always lost weight through diet and cardio. I used to run long distance in higschool so I have a my own ways to get lean without touching fat burners or diuretics. I just really watch what I eat and train for weight loss. If I really want to lose weight I stop taking my prescription pills and I don;t eat for days till i get the medication back in my system. It is a sick and harsh way to lose weight but it works. flushes your body of all the toxins. I have gone 9 days with no food before. No bullshit.
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all I hear about yohimbe is it is suppose to make you horny-lol. They also put it in alot of fat burners like nutrex lipo-6 wich used to be americas #1 fat burner they used Yohimbe in lipo-6 and there was anothjer product called mojo that was just yohimbe that was like a libido booster so from what I hear they sell yohimbe as a fat burner and a libido booster.
Getting shredded while having strong erections is a definite plus.
And man, lipo 6 has been around forever...
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That pic is 18days worth of var... that made me laugh
how is that? you don't have to take much of pharma var not like UGl var where you have to take 50-100mg. I rotate orals I stack anavar with halo for short runs and I never use orals for very long. I mainly on the daily just use 4IU of HGH and 200mg of Test cyp a week. just HRT doses. I take more dbol then var and winstrol
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That pic is 18days worth of var... that made me laugh
And $300.
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don't make him show you his whole stash...
cause he has before
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Very informative, I have a few questions- do you feel the grapefruit juice has an effect on lowering hematocrit? Do you still donate or drain at those low doses?
What OTC anti-E have you been using? Thank you.
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And $300.
And what! Its still funny. Sooo cool posting pics of tubs and vials of gear.
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And what! Its still funny. Sooo cool posting pics of tubs and vials of gear.
more then 300$ that is 2,400$ of anavar without insurance. I paid less because my insurance pay over half around 70%. I rotate the anavar I can get by by just taking 30mg -50mg daily so a bottle can last up to 20 days and I only stay on var at longest 30 days I rotate out orals. I don;t really care about the price I just like knowing I am getting the real USA grade stuff same like my medications.
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Getting shredded while having strong erections is a definite plus.
And man, lipo 6 has been around forever...
for sure I think most of us get worked up at our gyms all the hotties wearing those sexy workout clothes. Can't beat a Test boost at the gym caused by looking at some booty.
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Very informative, I have a few questions- do you feel the grapefruit juice has an effect on lowering hematocrit? Do you still donate or drain at those low doses?
What OTC anti-E have you been using? Thank you.
I've been looking into this since I recently started using boldenone and its well known to increase rbc to a greater extent than most steroids. Anyways, I did find a study showing grapefruit normalizing hematocrit levels.
Ingestion of grapefruit lowers elevated hematocrits in human subjects.
Abstract
This study was based on in vitro observations that naringin isolated from grapefruit induced red cell aggregation and evidence that clumped red cells are removed from the circulation by phagocytosis. The effect on hematocrits of adding grapefruit to the daily diet was determined using 36 human subjects (12 F, 24 M) over a 42-day study. The hematocrits ranged from 36.5 to 55.8% at the start and 38.8% to 49.2% at the end of the study. There was a differential effect on the hematocrit. The largest decreases occurred at the highest hematocrits and the effect decreased on the intermediate hematocrits; however, the low hematocrits increased. There was no significant difference between ingesting 1/2 or 1 grapefruit per day but a decrease in hematocrit due to ingestion of grapefruit was statistically significant at the p less than 0.01 level.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3243695
Normal levels in adult males is between 42-54%.
Don't know what effect the grapefruit would have if using high amounts of gear and if whitewidow is experiencing any benefits from it in that sense.
I guess if its a concern the best way to find out is to get bloods on yourself.
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Very informative, I have a few questions- do you feel the grapefruit juice has an effect on lowering hematocrit? Do you still donate or drain at those low doses?
What OTC anti-E have you been using? Thank you.
what do you mean? do I donate blood? Hell no I don't use that much. I use mainly DHEA and gasparis anatropin. my doses are so low the anatropin controls my estrogen. It's a good product -IMO.
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I've been looking into this since I recently started using boldenone and its well known to increase rbc to a greater extent than most steroids. Anyways, I did find a study showing grapefruit normalizing hematocrit levels.
Normal levels in adult males is between 42-54%.
Don't know what effect the grapefruit would have if using high amounts of gear and if whitewidow is experiencing any benefits from it in that sense.
I guess if its a concern the best way to find out is to get bloods on yourself.
do you know why Gh15 vwould promote pineapple juice? I have never read anything anabolic in pineapple juice yet the guy had a bunch of people on getbig drinking it like robots. I have always drunk my 100% grapefruit juice because I have read so many articles supporting how anabolic grapefruit juice is and how great the enzymes also are for getting shredded. just recently in the lat few years I noticed the pharmacy started adding the stickers saying not to drink grapefruit juice with your medicines because it makes them work better from what the pharmacist told me. Makes the medications work better and faster
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do you know why Gh15 vwould promote pineapple juice? I have never read anything anabolic in pineapple juice yet the guy had a bunch of people on getbig drinking it like robots. I have always drunk my 100% grapefruit juice because I have read so many articles supporting how anabolic grapefruit juice is and how great the enzymes also are for getting shredded. just recently in the lat few years I noticed the pharmacy started adding the stickers saying not to drink grapefruit juice with your medicines because it makes them work better from what the pharmacist told me. Makes the medications work better and faster
I don't know. Maybe he owns a few pineapple farms in Thailand ???
Pineapple is good since it helps the body digest protein but other than that I don't know much else about its benefits.
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more then 300$ that is 2,400$ of anavar without insurance. I paid less because my insurance pay over half around 70%. I rotate the anavar I can get by by just taking 30mg -50mg daily so a bottle can last up to 20 days and I only stay on var at longest 30 days I rotate out orals. I don;t really care about the price I just like knowing I am getting the real USA grade stuff same like my medications.
How in the world do you get your insurance company to pay for Anavar? WTF, I couldn't get my doc to even fucking consider a sip of cyp.
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Do you recommend sciroxx orals and injectables? Lately there's been some complaining about one of his domestic distributors/reshipppers.
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Pineapple juice makes your cum taste sweeter. True stores
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Pineapple juice makes your cum taste sweeter. True stores
do you suck dick? gay 4 pay? How would you know that :-X
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Do you recommend sciroxx orals and injectables? Lately there's been some complaining about one of his domestic distributors/reshipppers.
Not from a domestic remailer . from sciroxx direct maybe. sciroxxx sends their remailers the oils in big 50ml/100ml vials with no label and the remailers vial everything up and label everything so you don;t know for sure the remailer is really using the sciroxx oils they could just fill the 10ml vials with sterile oil. sciroxx send the remailers the big vials of oil and a bunch of 10ml vials empty and labels and the remailer has to fill the 10ml vials and put the labels on so fuck-ups can happen or they could even make their own homebrew and label it as sciroxx. same with the tabs they just send the remailer a huge bag of tabs and send the pouches and labels loose and the remailer had to pouch them out in 100 tab pouches and heat seal the labels on the pouch. I know a remailer and see how they get everything. it is alot of work for the remailers to tab everything up in the 100 tab pouches and also distrubute the oils in a 10ml mutli-dose vial and crimp the vial and label it. I could easily see somebody filling the vials with sterile oil or there own homebrew and keep the sciroxx oil for themselves.The tabs have the Id marks so you can tell if the tabs are authentic.
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The tabs have the Id marks so you can tell if the tabs are authentic.
Just make sure to count the tabs. Remailers have to count those out and zip them up in the sciroxx pouches. You'd be surprised that some remailers think 80 is actually 100 count.
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How in the world do you get your insurance company to pay for Anavar? WTF, I couldn't get my doc to even fucking consider a sip of cyp.
because I have a type of insurance that will pay for any medication as long as it has been the right amount of time. one every 30 days they will pay, some meds right about 60% and some meds way up to around 70-90%.
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Just make sure to count the tabs. Remailers have to count those out and zip them up in the sciroxx pouches. You'd be surprised that some remailers think 80 is actually 100 count.
Yeah if you read my post I did mention sciroxx just sends the tabs in a ziplock bag and send you a bunch of cheap foil pocuhes that are real small and send you a bunch of labels and you have to sit there and count them all out in 100 tab pouches and heat seal them shut. The labels stick on nicely but having to heat seal the pouches shut sucks. Now if you do not buy in bulk they send you the pouches already sealed and the vials are crimped by sciroxx so better to buy a small order direct from sciroxx if you don;t trust your domestic sciroxx rep.
Like I said the tabs are all marked with the SX and they have the color to identify but they can short you and put less tabs in the pouch like youandme said but I think buying the oils is sketchier as guys can fill the 10ml vials with sterile oil or just their own homebrew and keep the sciroxx oil for themselves. You woul really have to trust the domestic source. I know guys who remail for sciroxx and have seen the huge envelopes of foil pouches and labels and loose tabs in ziplock bags as well as huge 50ml-100ml vials of oil and 10ml empty vials they have to fill and crimp on their own. Britsh dragon(The original company) never made their remailers do all that work. Only way I would buy sciroxx and the only way I have bought sciroxx was from the direct sales rep.
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How much grapefruit juice do you drink per day to get that benefit from it?
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You drink one 16oz bottle of dole grapefruit juice right after your workout it has to be 100% grapefruit juice, if you can afford it also drink 16oz of 100% grapefruit juice after your workout and remember to eat within 20 minutes after your workout even if you only have access to a protein shake you have to eat something otherwise your workout will mean shit. The 100% grapefruit juice 16oz is very anabolic and will raise IGF-1 and HGH levels, that is what is said but I don;t know if it is proven but i can vouch for the fact that grapefruit juice has some enzymes that will get you shredded and make medications work better and faster plus like i said it is like the #5 most anabolic food/drink. The drink is just as good as a whole grapefruit as long as it is 100% grapefruit juice plus after what kai greene did to the whole grapefruit i can't eat them anymore.
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Don't want to spoil your meal plans so I won't mention what he did with a pineapple :-\
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do you suck dick? gay 4 pay? How would you know that :-X
I give my girlfriend couple loads a day and she knows when i havnt had my pineapple juice lol
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Don't want to spoil your meal plans so I won't mention what he did with a pineapple :-\
you kidding? what did he do? he didn't stick it up his ass did he? That would be fucking nasty! please say no! :-\
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I give my girlfriend couple loads a day and she knows when i havnt had my pineapple juice lol
no way-you serious? she swallows? I usually just pull out and nutt on my girls ass,tties and face is always nice. I usually rather cum on her chin then let her swallow. Not sure if it has made my nutt juice sweeter. I have to ask. I have never heard her say what did you do your nutt juice taste sweeter . not sayin g you are lying but she must swallow alot of nutt juice ;D
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no way-you serious? she swallows? I usually just pull out and nutt on my girls ass,tties and face is always nice. I usually rather cum on her chin then let he swallow. Not sure if it has made my nutt juice sweeter. I have to ask. I have never heard her say what did you do your nutt juice taste sweeter . not sayin g you are lying but she must swallow alot of nutt juice ;D
Ive turned her into a cumslut bro lol.she knows about it because she asked why is it so sweet? And i was like im drinking teh juice de pineapples...now if its ever not sweet shes like drink some pineapple juice lol. im disapointed no one else knows that trick though its standards. Think i came across it on some sluts site who was hosting a bukkake and she was sayin she wants all the dudes to drink pineapple juice before the shoot.
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Not from a domestic remailer . from sciroxx direct maybe. sciroxxx sends their remailers the oils in big 50ml/100ml vials with no label and the remailers vial everything up and label everything so you don;t know for sure the remailer is really using the sciroxx oils they could just fill the 10ml vials with sterile oil. sciroxx send the remailers the big vials of oil and a bunch of 10ml vials empty and labels and the remailer has to fill the 10ml vials and put the labels on so fuck-ups can happen or they could even make their own homebrew and label it as sciroxx. same with the tabs they just send the remailer a huge bag of tabs and send the pouches and labels loose and the remailer had to pouch them out in 100 tab pouches and heat seal the labels on the pouch. I know a remailer and see how they get everything. it is alot of work for the remailers to tab everything up in the 100 tab pouches and also distrubute the oils in a 10ml mutli-dose vial and crimp the vial and label it. I could easily see somebody filling the vials with sterile oil or there own homebrew and keep the sciroxx oil for themselves.The tabs have the Id marks so you can tell if the tabs are authentic.
Thanks for info WW.
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huh? noo.. it's usually a 500ml media bottle with a septa top or a 1l media bottle with a 45mm neck with a bottle top dispenser. shipping 100ml bottles of various products is a pain in the ass... shipping a few 1l bottles is a piece of cake.
depends on how much you order,they don't front. they go as low as 50ml jugs especially of primo, and Test 400 mix because they are not big sellers. I am sure they ship in much bigger 1liter juggs but that would be the main sellers like test esters. I have only seen them just ship in 50ml and 100ml and just ship multiple packs and they make the remailer vial ,crimp and label everything up. I know a sciroxx remailer so I have seen how the packs come the tabs are in big ziplock bags with a shit load of foil pocuhes and the labels to stick on the pouch and then the remailer has to count them all in 100ct pouches and heat seal the pouches shut it is a bitch!Never ordered alot of their oils because they were hit and miss as far as the word on the board goes.
I could see somebody easily counterfeiting their oils because they could put sterile oil in the vials and crimp the vials and put a sciroxx test E lablel on the vial and just keep all the sciroxx oil for themselves and eventually sell it or just use it,a remailer could easily counterfeit all the oils but not the tabs because of the imprint and the color of the tab.They could preten to misscount and shorten the pouch but if they wanted repeat customers most wouldn;t do that. maybe with the oils because they would gain off the orals and might not even know the oils were bunk just maybe underdosed. I am sure this has happened by one of many of their remailers or the remailer could fill the vials with their own UGL gear and label it as sciroxx then most would have no clue especially if they were stacking it with sciroxx's dbol or anadrol.
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that'd work once and the guy would be done. word would get out and the guy who ripped off the supplier would make what? $2k off a 500ml bottle? (assuming they could move it on their own before ppl caught on) wouldn't be worth it, because if I were the supplier i'd put $4k on the guys head just to prove a point... and they'd know it. (and not just necessarily their 'head', but their home, car, ect might have 'electrical problems' or a 'lightening strike'... these people aren't hard to find)
1000ml media bottle with a bottle top dispenser makes quick work of filling and crimping bottles as opposed to 100ml sealed or 500ml bottles with septa-tops.
No I am taking about the could counterfeit the whole oil line with fake sterile oil not just Test E, Or if they wanted to be smart about it they would ho,ebrew their own gear and just sell it as sciroxx. most people get way more for sciroxx oils then for their UGL gear it has a higher resale value. peopole wouldn;t find out if it had something in it maybe not the original sciroxx oil but if they homebrewed and filled it with the fomebrew it would work and they would pay WAY less then what sciroxx xharges for bulk oil prices. Sciroxx even in Bulk is a rip-off.
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Yeah his stuff seems expensive. And everyone says his injectables burn.
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the cost to counterfit anything vs. just making your own legit isn't worth it.
the guy might sell to 4 people before people start complaining about infections and lack of 'results', then his sales would come to a screeching hault.
takes a lot of time to bottle, crimp, print lables, put lables on, box and ship, ect... all for what? a one time hit of $2k? big deal...
unlabeled good shit will move much faster (after a month or so, and word gets around) than nicely labeled "name brand/boxed" UGL.
anybody who counterfits is a fool who has no business running a lemonade stand, let a lone an illegal biz selling controlled substances.
Bro you just do not get it. all sciroxx reps get sent the oil in 50ml jugs or 100ml jugs I have not seen them ship in 1l jugs. But I have not fucked with sciroxx in bulk since they started being under watch. what sciroxx doen is send their remailer all the empty vials and labels and the bulk buyer remailer fills the oils into the smaller 10ml vials the guys from sciroxx already send you all the vials and labels. If you homebrewed some gear for cheap you could fill your homebrewed gear instead of the sciroxx gear so your profit would be alot larger because sciroxx sells for alot more then any UGL lab esoecially a new ugl lab, sciroxx is expensive gear!
Nothing would be counterfeited the lables would be real direct from sciroxx the caps and vials would be the same only thing diffrent is the gear would be diffrent not bunk just not made by sciroxx. It would be very easy to do. Now if you had to make fake labels and vials, and boxes that would be pointless but sciroxx already sends you all that shit the labels ,boxes,vials caps, you don;t have to pay a penny for any of that, basically all that would be diffrent would be the gear wouldn;t be originally the sciroxx gear you were sent it would be whatever you homebrewed, and then the rep could keep all the sciroxx gear and eventually sell it for more or use it as their oesronal so it would be very veasy to counterfeit since sciroxx sends you all the labels,boxes,vials tops.
you get it now? nobody is spending money on rip-off sciroxx labels or boxes,vials or caps! sciroxx sends you all that shit.Nobody would find out if you made decent homebrew wich alot of us could it would be just as good as sciroxx or close.main point is sciroxx's oil line can easily be counterfeited for no extra cost.It isn;t like you have to counterfeit their labels,tops,boxes vials ,sciroxx sends you ll that shit! whats so complicated to figure out about this? only diffrence is what is in the vial it would be gear made by somebody else with just china raws and the quality would be very similar is my guess but sciroxx charges so much it would be worth it,people pay for that sciroxx label not some unknown UGL brand. sciroxx gear is taxed domestic.
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word would get out quick and that remailer would be toast.
I don't see why they bother with 50 and 100ml bottles.. a 50ml bottle would be pointless.. that's only 5 10ml bottles. moving volume they'd go through tons of those little bottles.
at the very, very least a 250ml bottle with a septa top that can be sent back and autoclaved (septa's can be autoclaved).
they send them in multiple packs not just one pack. a 10 grand-20 grand order might be 5-10 packs. How would anybody find out if you had ordered raw material from a good china supplier and were making the same quality of gear maybe even better?
The only diffrence is sciroxx already has the rep and their products are sold for alot of money. say the gear made by a friend and I made was just as good or better it still would not sell as fast if it were not labelled as sciroxx gear but nobody would know because the gear would be in sciroxx vials.
If the gear is just as good or better nobody would know. The thing is it is just hard to get a reputation that fast even if your gear was just as good as sciroxx or even a little better. who would be getting ripped off? nobody because everybody would be getting the same products at the same quality level it is just sciroxx would sell for way more.
nobody would know unless the gear was underdosed wich would not happen it would be overdosed by 10%. So all in all technically somebody has boughten gear labelled as sciroxx when it was just prime UGL gaer and way more money was made BTW sciroxx is just UGL gear! Now the orals it can't be done since they have the Sx stamp on every tab and have a special shade for every product. no reason to mess with their tabs. But since they send you so many extra vials and labels why not brew up the same gear ester and fill the vial with it and sell it for sciroxx prices instead of having to sell it for way less because it is not as known as sciroxx gear? In the end everybody is getting real gear and I bet nobody would figure it out if you used the same raw materials,same sterile oil, same usp powders, nobody would know it would work the exact same,sciroxx is not watson it is just taxed UGL. I am just saying be careful for domestic sciroxx because remailers have been busted doing this.
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Es vs Wids who will win this ultimate battle of wether counterfitting sciroxx is viable? My moneys on ES
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Becarefull with those blues bro... I know you have a bad back but that shit has destroyed a lot of people I know..
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Becarefull with those blues bro... I know you have a bad back but that shit has destroyed a lot of people I know..
Yeah I hear you,I know many who got fucked up on them too, but they were buying them off the blackmarket and had no medical ailment.Of course everybody gets addicted to them if they have been using them for pain management but their is a diffrence from abusing and taking them correctly. No matter what even if taken correctly you will get dependent but if it makes the quality of your life better what else can you do ? go off them and be all miserable and in pain? It is the younger kids fucking it up and the pain clinincs in florida giving them to kids not even 21 and having them abuse the shit out of them and dying.
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counterfitting is not worth the effort.
quality gear moves. if you want name recognition, like a Sciroxx or Geneza, then spend $.02 per box and $.015 per label with hologram..... it'll increase you cost by MAYBE $500. Which is a drop in the bucket in terms of cost, but a pain in the ass as far as production time, and not needed unless you're moving large volume.
figure $20k in raw, plus $5k in 'supplies' (10ml bottles, stoppers, fliptops, oil, ba, bb, an enormous amount of peg300, 30ml bottles, bottle top filters, media bottles, septa tops, ect...) will net you between $240k & $320k, roughly... adding a box and label won't increase your volume all that much, or the price per unit.... it's just not worth it.... and moving easy 1-man op amounts, you can move that in 10 months at the start, 8 months after biz pics up. quality product moves itself.
you make no sense. If you are a sciroxx rep you already get all that shit for free! They send you the vials,the labels, the boxes,everything. all somebody would have to do is buy the raw material from china and brew up some quality oils and fill the vials with just as good quality it will sell faster because it can be sold as sciroxx gear instead of a new UGL. It isn't really counterfeiting if the oild is just as good or better!
Tell me how that is counterfeiting if the oils are just as good or better? sciroxx is nothing special and geneza is hit and miss.In the end the end user gets a legit product that is 10% overdosed. I am just saying this can easily be done if you are a sciroxx rep since they make the remailer vial everything up. as far as the tabs that would be stupid and not worth the time but the oils you would make alot of money! what is the name of your UGL? I bet nobody knows the name of it and if they had to pick they would rather buy the sciroxx because they have heard of the brand even though your gear might be just as good it is all about reputation. hit or miss at least sciroxx has been around for years and a newbie customer would pick sciroxx over some UGL they have never heard of.
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Es vs Wids who will win this ultimate battle of wether counterfitting sciroxx is viable? My moneys on ES
ES makes no sense! he does not see how easy sciroxx remailers could counterfeit their product and make the product just as good or better your product probably would not pass as sciroxx but some guys with a real high dollar lab and a old school powder connection could make the same quality if not better then sciroxx .I am just saying sciroxx remailers have done this and that is why you have to watch buying sciroxx oils domestic like I said on the first page. I never said it was right but it would be easy to do. I have no idea why you think sciroxx is so great ES. check the threads in the past that have been posted most people think the oils are not very good very hit and miss.
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Yeah I hear you,I know many who got fucked up on them too, but they were buying them off the blackmarket and had no medical ailment.Of course everybody gets addicted to them if they have been using them for pain management but their is a diffrence from abusing and taking them correctly. No matter what even if taken correctly you will get dependent but if it makes the quality of your life better what else can you do ? go off them and be all miserable and in pain? It is the younger kids fucking it up and the pain clinincs in florida giving them to kids not even 21 and having them abuse the shit out of them and dying.
Yea man your absolutely right
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you make no sense. If you are a sciroxx rep you already get all that shit for free! They send you the vials,the labels, the boxes,everything. all somebody would have to do is buy the raw material from china and brew up some quality oils and fill the vials with just as good quality it will sell faster because it can be sold as sciroxx gear instead of a new UGL. It isn't really counterfeiting if the oild is just as good or better!
Tell me how that is counterfeiting if the oils are just as good or better? sciroxx is nothing special and geneza is hit and miss.In the end the end user gets a legit product that is 10% overdosed. I am just saying this can easily be done if you are a sciroxx rep since they make the remailer vial everything up. as far as the tabs that would be stupid and not worth the time but the oils you would make alot of money! what is the name of your UGL? I bet nobody knows the name of it and if they had to pick they would rather buy the sciroxx because they have heard of the brand even though your gear might be just as good it is all about reputation. hit or miss at least sciroxx has been around for years and a newbie customer would pick sciroxx over some UGL they have never heard of.
Haven't looked through this back and forth but this pretty much sums it up.
People would rather go with a well known company as long as prices aren't ridiculously higher than an unknown ugl.
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ES makes no sense! he does not see how easy sciroxx remailers could counterfeit their product and make the product just as good or better your product probably would not pass as sciroxx but some guys with a real high dollar lab and a old school powder connection could make the same quality if not better then sciroxx .I am just saying sciroxx remailers have done this and that is why you have to watch buying sciroxx oils domestic like I said on the first page. I never said it was right but it would be easy to do. I have no idea why you think sciroxx is so great ES. check the threads in the past that have been posted most people think the oils are not very good very hit and miss.
WW wins. Honestly I think EFS is a bit slow. I'm being serious.
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I've been reading your posts for a long time WW, and I have come to the conclusion that you are autistic, or a robot.
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ww you ever tried alpha pharma anavar?
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ww you ever tried alpha pharma anavar?
very good stuff
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very good stuff
No.heard it was good though.most of their products are great. Only product I have heard a complaint about was their NPP but it might have been counterfeit since alpha-pharma counterfeits have been going around
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I've been reading your posts for a long time WW, and I have come to the conclusion that you are autistic, or a robot.
No I am no rain man and not robocop.sometimes I post when I am on my meds so I am a little out of it.
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I never said sciroxx is great... I have serious doubts about 95% of all UGL's, which is why I got back into the biz in the first place.
if you get shit from a 'well known' ugl and you suspect it's either underdosed (weak) or dirty (injection pain or infection), what are you gonna do? complain to the guy? what kind of response are you gonna get? I'll tell you... and it's along the lines of "Get fucked".
you don't like my shit? i'll replace it. you think it's weak? i'll replace it.. you get an infection? i'll refilter and rebottle it (even though it's probably your fault for not using sterile technique).
quality control is difficult when you're moving 15 orders a day... shit gets dirty & doses get sloppy. and you get disgruntled customers... and disgruntled customers = liability... guys who are likely to drop a dime on you. and with large UGL's, the 'temptation' to underdose their shit increases because it's more lucrative due to volume.
2kg of tren ace will produce 2000 bottles @ 100mg/ml... at the minimum price of $60/bottle that's $120k, now if a high volume UGL makes it at 85mg/ml that's 2354 bottles at $60/bottle.. that's $141k, $21k is a likely incentive to underdose their shit (same goes for masteron).... and a high volume UGL is likely running more than 2kg tren ace (or tren e, or mast, ect...) that's a lot of extra money..... now a SMALLER UGL might run 1kg tren at a time... and that's 1000 bottles... if you underdose it, you get an extra 100 bottles? or so... an extra $6k? big deal... it's not worth it.
i'll keep doing what I do and put out quality product. if you want QUALITY, would you rather eat at Panda Express? or a nice Sushi restaurant where you know the chef?
Bro what I am saying is if you were a sciroxx remailer and they sent you all the vials and caps, labels,and boxes ,switch the oil you use to match sciroxxs you could make pretty much the same product quality wise! Am I wrong? So you could make way more money if you did that because you and I know making Test esters cost shit and the only compound that cost alot is primo. Deca,Tren,NPP is all cheap but a hair more then Test esters. You and I know you can produce a vial of Test E for 5$ in bulk.That is all I am saying! I do not counterfeit sciroxx gear but it would be a easy lab to counterfeit when the lab sends their remailer the vials,caps,labels,and boxes.Like I said all you would have to buy is some quality china powder and copy the oil they use and the amount of BA and BB. Right?
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I never said sciroxx is great... I have serious doubts about 95% of all UGL's, which is why I got back into the biz in the first place.
if you get shit from a 'well known' ugl and you suspect it's either underdosed (weak) or dirty (injection pain or infection), what are you gonna do? complain to the guy? what kind of response are you gonna get? I'll tell you... and it's along the lines of "Get fucked".
you don't like my shit? i'll replace it. you think it's weak? i'll replace it.. you get an infection? i'll refilter and rebottle it (even though it's probably your fault for not using sterile technique).
quality control is difficult when you're moving 15 orders a day... shit gets dirty & doses get sloppy. and you get disgruntled customers... and disgruntled customers = liability... guys who are likely to drop a dime on you. and with large UGL's, the 'temptation' to underdose their shit increases because it's more lucrative due to volume.
2kg of tren ace will produce 2000 bottles @ 100mg/ml... at the minimum price of $60/bottle that's $120k, now if a high volume UGL makes it at 85mg/ml that's 2354 bottles at $60/bottle.. that's $141k, $21k is a likely incentive to underdose their shit (same goes for masteron).... and a high volume UGL is likely running more than 2kg tren ace (or tren e, or mast, ect...) that's a lot of extra money..... now a SMALLER UGL might run 1kg tren at a time... and that's 1000 bottles... if you underdose it, you get an extra 100 bottles? or so... an extra $6k? big deal... it's not worth it.
i'll keep doing what I do and put out quality product. if you want QUALITY, would you rather eat at Panda Express? or a nice Sushi restaurant where you know the chef?
this makes no sense! I have been in this business along time and no big UGL pays that much for that quantity of Tren. At most they pay 20$ per a 10ml 100mg per ml vial of Tren and that is big UGL's like the Old original British Dragon. Even 7 years later after they vhave been shut down the prices on bulk raws has not gone up you can still buy in super bulk and produce legit 100mg per ml tren for 20$. Test enanthate and Test cypionate made in super bulk costs like 5$ at the most to make. I used to buy amps of alpha-pharma Test enanthate or any Test ester from EM for 1.00$ to 1.50$ when bought in bulk. and it was all lab tested and spot on. It sounds like you are getting fucked on buying raws or just not buying in the quantity needed to get those price breaks. Even though sometimes British Dragons gear might have been right on the money or sometimes a little short people still bought it over almost any lab because it was so widely known even though there might have been some UGL making Test 450.
ES you have been around for awhile you remember how cheap Quality vet,Denkal,Brovell,Animal Power,syd group it was all good fucking gear and really cheap. most all 10ml vials of Test E,cyp,sust were 25$-30$ at most! Tren,Deca,masteron,EQ were a little more but only the primo was a expensive product and it was cheap for primo Enanthate it was 60$. The deca,Tren,Masteron,EQ were between 30-45$. Great gear ,cheap prices and all the brands were owned by the same guy and they charged the same prices. Quality vet was of course the most expensive and this was before all the UGl's popped up of cpurse UGL's were still around but 80% of gear users were using these mexican brands that worked pretty close to human grade. Many pros used these brands.
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it's going around bro. got a shitty cold right now too, sucks
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why the hell is eq 40+. how much does that shit cost
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retail. Every ugl sells this shit for 40+ and it's, as we both know, weak in terms of growth. Though in comparing it to a cycle without it, I'm not as vascular or lean interestingly, so it has it's place for me. But fudge I don't want to spend 40+ for 300mg/ml. I need a min of 1g to get anywhere for many many weeks
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Some UGL's just have a chinese company make all there vials and the bulk prices usually run like this.
Test prop-5$
Test E-7.50$
Test Cyp-7.50$
TRen A- 15$
Tren -E 17$
EQ- 15$
Primo-17.50
sust 7.50$
Masteron 10$
This is higher then if you ordered the raw powder and the vials,caps,holograms,boxes. This just saves alot of time and you get a better looking product plus you don't have to order all the vials,caps,solvents,BB,BA. This is what most chinese bulk labs charge sure it is more then if you went way out of your way and bought the powder yourself,vials ,tops,caps,labels,holograms,boxes. I would rather just have my gear made for me and pay more money but still cheap enough to triple your money on each vial plus you don't have to take the time to produce all the compounds.
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huh? more like $2.45 lol
depends on if you use holograms and boxes and how great your labels are but you would pay about 3-5$. @.45$ is a little low with all the other stuff you have to consider the BB,BA,ethyl oleate,caps,vials, bottom line 3-5$ to make a 10ml vial of high grade Test E. It also depends on how much powder you are buying. If you are buying in serious bulk the cheaper the gear will cost but on average 3-5$
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huh? why would a ugl pay for a bottle of anything? a UGL PRODUCES the stuff, not buying ready made stuff.
it should cost no more than $5 at MOST to produce a 10ml 100mg/ml bottle of tren... at MOST, including everything from raw to bottle to stopper to fliptop.
OK maybe not UGL's but some china super labs just make the gear for a customer and label it under whatever brand they want and usually they charge about 15-20$ for tren but it really depends on the bulk you buy,still you are going to get a price where you can triple your money.Plus you save yourself time.Running a full UGL with all oils and tabs is very rare alot of these guys buy bulk tabs from chinese companys and oils and just label them as their lab,whatever they want to call it
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ugh... dude... it should cost you AT MOST $5 for tren a or tren e, mast p, di-p, or e, and at MOST 2.45 for test e,c,p,a,u... deca should be at most 2.65...
I don't know how you think a 'ugl' paying $20 for a 10ml bottle of tren equates to me getting fucked on my raws... hell, I don't even see how you consider a 'ugl' a UGL if they're paying $20 a bottle of tren.... that's not a UGL.... that's just a middleman... he's making AT MOST %350 profit... whereas my profit margin is in the 1000's.... and i'm getting fucked on raws? lol
I doubt you run a full UGL with every single product and tablet. no way in hell you have a real big UGL. If you know guys who have huge ugl's they do order alot of their press tabs from chinese wholesalers.it is sketch to order tab pressers and press your own tabs and no big UGl has time to cap up that many tabs, and they also order their oils in bulk and just put labels on them they make or have made for them. They may pay more then 5$ for a 10ml vial of tren but the profit is still 300%. It gets sketch importing that much powder so sometimes guys pay more. even if your profit margin was 300% and you sold way more Then a guy making 800% it evens out. Thats because the guy selling it and making 800% is not known on the open source boards. They are not shipping 50 packs a day. It all comes down to a certifictae of analysis if the gear is over by 10% who cares if you made it yourself. In the end the greedy guys sell less gear or get busted.
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btw... i'm sick as fuck right now and didn't bother to read anymore than the $5 thing... i'll reply later when my Dayquil kicks in and i'm not coughing up brown shit an d feeling like death.
... fucking sick clients... wish they'd stay the fuck home when theyre sick. damnit
dude if you were a big hustler and ran a huge UGL you would not have a job or have to deal with clients. The big guys in the business are busy shipping packs and answering emails all day. I won't say who but some of the biggest UGL's that are private get 50-100 emails a day. Don;t act so hard sometimes and keep quiet about what you do. We have been watching you since you started posting. At least your smart enough to use WU with Id waived because some people want your name maybe ron does.
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I have all this stuff on spreadsheets. boxes lables and holograms will only increase the cost by about $.10-12 per bottle max.
i'll refrain from posting my exact price for raws and how much i do at once and use only estimate on per bottle cost... if i post how much i do, you can easily figure out (well, maybe not 'easily'.. i don't sense a lot of math-letes here) what my raw cost is...
i don't know what you consider serious bulk.... but "serious bulk" to me means EVERYTHING in serious bulk.. (my PEG300 cost is fucking brutal, everything else is easy in bulk... try having 29 gallons of PEG300 delivered at once. lol... takes up damn near my whole patio with UPS boxes.).... and in "serious bulk", you should be able to produce a bottle of test for about $2 including everything.... raw, ba,bb, oil, RLS 10ml, buytl stopper, crimper/fliptop... now, you can add about $.25 cents by using a silica stopper and a multicolored fliptop.. another $.06 for a hologram, either a hologram you put on yourself, of a hologram printed on your lable.. whichever... $5 is fucking brutal..
but that's not including 'supplies' like your air-filtration, your hotplate/stirrer, beakers, media bottles, septa's, stir-rods, bottle top filters, pumps, ect... which all total would cost you what?.... $500? roughtly, depending on the amouts of bottle top filters, media bottles, septas, ect...
This is why I am saying instead of having to draw attention to yourself and order a whole bunch of stuff like Vials,Caps, some people have their labels made for them, they don't make them on their own,then you need your BA/BB, ethyl Oleate for some compounds.I have a suspicion your powder supplier is not the best just a average connection if that. The really good powder is expensive you would be amazed at the diffrence at Kilo prices and yes prices are going to be higher if you are ordering by the grams rather then by the kilos.
This is why it is better to have a chinese super lab make your gear for you and they make your labels and boxes and put on your hologram and you can name your lab whatever you want to. The cost of course is going to be higher but it makes everything way easier and maybe you are not the one actually making the gear but as long as you send it off to get a certificate of analysis and it is all 10% above label claim what is the diffrence? You probably have no idea how many big time supposive UGL guys do this, they have nothing to do with the production of their own gear or press tabs.
They buy 10,000 tabs of 10mg dbol for 400$ that is 1,000 10mg tabs for 40$ way easier then pressing them yourself or capping that many tabs out. That is what alot of these companys do just have china take care of everything. I know you are not a huge supplier so making a few vials here and there is no big deal your not running a huge international operation not even on a source board,you just sell to people you work with and local people you know and maybe ship a few packs here and there but you don't have 50 packs going out everyday.
Like I said the more greedy somebody gets the more of a chance they have of getting busted especially if they keep telling people on a open forum with thousands of members they are a drug dealer not a smart way to operate. You have no excuse for that! That is just poor judgement and underestimating who is watching you. and yes if you read threw that thread you got owned buddy, dont go editing shit now to make yourself look better. They owned you pretty bad. They were just saying put up or shut up but since you have made your claims you can't put up, even if you didn't you really think you are bigger then "the revelation"? that guy is huge!
I used to post some stupid pictures so I probably wouldn't post up a picture on getbig plus I got all these Gh15 elfs that hate me because I exposed some shadey shit that was going on. But If I know somebody well i will send them a picture via phone text