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Title: Obama’s fingerprints all over IRS Tea Party scandal
Post by: Dos Equis on October 21, 2013, 12:09:08 PM
This is the luckiest politician of my lifetime.  He is Clinton-like in that nothing sticks to him.  Teflon Man.  But this is a very egregious abuse of power. 

Obama’s fingerprints all over IRS Tea Party scandal
By Jay SekulowPublished October 20, 2013
FoxNews.com

It’s past time for the media to begin asking President Obama tough questions about the IRS conservative targeting scandal.  After all he was involved, publicly, from the beginning.

Last Friday, the American Center for Law and Justice (where I serve as Chief Counsel) filed its Second Amended Complaint against the United States, the IRS, and a legion of IRS officials.  This Complaint, in which we represent 41 organizations in 22 states, presents perhaps the most complete story yet of the IRS conservative targeting scandal.

And it is an ugly story indeed.

What was sold to the American public as a low-level scandal perpetrated by a few rogue employees – a scandal stopped after senior officials became aware and asserted control – is now (to borrow a Watergate phrase) “no longer operative.”

Was Obama involved in the IRS scandal?  He was the one who identified the targets – in the most public manner possible.
Instead, we detail a long-running assault on the Tea Party, beginning shortly after its emergence in 2009, that is empowered, encouraged, and orchestrated not only by senior IRS officials in Washington, but also through outright targeting by the White House, Congressional Democrats, and the mainstream media.

In fact, the IRS was doing little more than focusing its attention exactly where the president of the United States told it to focus – on the groups the president himself identified as a “threat to democracy.”

Consider President Obama’s aggressive public statements – made just as we now know senior IRS officials were intentionally and aggressively scrutinizing conservative groups’ applications for tax exemption.

On August 9, 2010 the president warned of “attack ads run by shadowy groups with harmless-sounding names” during his weekly radio address.  The President said:  We don’t know who’s behind these ads and we don’t know who’s paying for them . . . you don’t know if it’s a foreign controlled corporation. ... The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.”

On September 16, 2010, President Obama once again warned that some unidentified “foreign-controlled entity” could be providing “millions of dollars” for “attack ads.”  Less than one week later, he complained that “nobody knows” the identities of the individuals who support conservative groups.

On September 22, 2010, President Obama warned of groups opposing his policies “pos[ing] as non-for-profit social and welfare trade groups” and he claimed such groups were “guided by seasoned Republican political operatives” and potentially supported by some unidentified “foreign controlled entity.”

On October 14, 2010, President Obama called organizations with “benign sounding” names “a problem for democracy”; the next week he complained about individuals who “hide behind those front groups,” called such groups a “threat to our democracy,” and claimed such groups were engaged in “unsupervised” spending.

Next, consider the IRS’s actions following those statements.  Not only did the IRS continue its targeting, it issued broad questionnaires that made unconstitutionally-intrusive inquiries designed to get answers to exactly the questions President Obama posed.

Who are your donors?

What is the political activity of your family and associates?

What are the passwords for your websites?

After all, according to the president, you’re only afraid to answer these questions if “you’ve got something to hide.”

The demagoguery is breathtaking.  Not only does he raise the wholly-unsubstantiated possibility of shadowy “foreign” involvement in the Tea Party groups, a charge incredible on its face, but he goes the extra mile of calling such groups, a “threat to our democracy.”

When the president of the United States declares these groups a “threat to our democracy” is it any surprise that his enthusiastic supporters (and donors) within the IRS responded with an unprecedented campaign of selective targeting, intimidation, and governmental intrusion?

One grows weary of stating the obvious, but if President Bush had declared a specific category of citizen groups a “threat to democracy” potentially run by “political operatives” or “foreign-controlled,” and the IRS launched an unprecedented campaign of targeting and intrusive questioning, the mainstream media would have been relentless not only in its independent investigations but in its calls for accountability – at the highest levels.

Was the president of the United States involved in the IRS scandal?  He was the one who identified the targets – in the most public manner possible.

A president singling out citizens groups for targeting and intrusive questioning merely because he dislikes their message and fears their political influence?

Now that is a “threat to democracy.”

Jay Sekulow is Chief Counsel of the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ). Follow him on Twitter@JaySekulow.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/20/obamas-fingerpints-all-over-irs-tea-party-scandal/
Title: Re: Obama’s fingerprints all over IRS Tea Party scandal
Post by: Necrosis on October 21, 2013, 12:14:08 PM
I guess the shutdown is old news and you have to find something else to complain about hey? why not bring up a ridiculous issue, both groups or sides where targets, there was no selective process favoring left leaning orgs. As one would expect more corrupt tea party orgs were targeted because of the sheer number of applications.
Title: Re: Obama’s fingerprints all over IRS Tea Party scandal
Post by: Straw Man on October 21, 2013, 12:21:48 PM
I assume the American Center for Law and Justice is also representing Democratic groups who were also "targeted" and who actually were denied 501c4 status

Of course we also all know that given that the IRS guidelines contradict the actual law that it REQUIRES them to make judgements as to whether an organization is "primarily" or "exclusively" engaged in the promotion of social welfare

Again, the cause of the IRS's "failure to reconcile its regulations, which require only that 501(c)(4) organizations be “primarily” engaged in social welfare activities, with the Tax Code itself, which dictates that such groups be organized “exclusively” for the promotion of social welfare."

The bottom line is that NO GROUPS engaged in any kind of political activity should be allowed 501c4 status

Repubs can piss and moan all day long but the facts listed above (the final sentences is my own opinion) can not be denied and the only true scandal is that the IRS has not followed the law by allowing these political groups to have anonymous donors and tax exempt status
Title: Re: Obama’s fingerprints all over IRS Tea Party scandal
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 31, 2013, 11:52:55 AM
http://washingtonexaminer.com/irs-lois-lerner-gave-confidential-tea-party-group-tax-info-to-fec-violating-law/article/2538263


Corrupt beyond words
Title: Re: Obama’s fingerprints all over IRS Tea Party scandal
Post by: Soul Crusher on November 05, 2014, 06:09:43 PM
IRS Admits To Court They Never Even Looked for Lois Lerner E-Mails…
The Conseervative Treehouse ^ | 11/5/2014 | Sundance
Posted on November 5, 2014 8:43:48 PM EST by combat_boots

All of this, ALL OF THIS, is to avoid sunlight upon the reality it was the DOJ who initiated the targeting scheme, and used the IRS to get it done. In addition the White House fully knew what Eric Holder was doing.

(Via Judicial Watch) – Judicial Watch announced today that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) admitted to the court that it failed to search any of the IRS standard computer systems for the “missing” emails of Lois Lerner and other IRS officials.

The admission appears in an IRS legal brief opposing the Judicial Watch request that a federal court judge allow discovery into how “lost and/or destroyed” IRS records relating to the targeting of conservative groups may be retrieved.

The IRS is fighting Judicial Watch’s efforts to force testimony and document production about the IRS’ loss of records in Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) litigation about the IRS targeting of Tea Party and other opponents of President Obama(Judicial Watch v. IRS (No. 1:13-cv-1559)). The lawsuit is before U.S. District Court Judge Emmett G. Sullivan

(Excerpt) Read more at theconservativetreehouse .com ...
Title: Re: Obama’s fingerprints all over IRS Tea Party scandal
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 05, 2014, 06:23:43 PM
I assume the American Center for Law and Justice is also representing Democratic groups who were also "targeted" and who actually were denied 501c4 status

Of course we also all know that given that the IRS guidelines contradict the actual law that it REQUIRES them to make judgements as to whether an organization is "primarily" or "exclusively" engaged in the promotion of social welfare

Again, the cause of the IRS's "failure to reconcile its regulations, which require only that 501(c)(4) organizations be “primarily” engaged in social welfare activities, with the Tax Code itself, which dictates that such groups be organized “exclusively” for the promotion of social welfare."

The bottom line is that NO GROUPS engaged in any kind of political activity should be allowed 501c4 status

Repubs can piss and moan all day long but the facts listed above (the final sentences is my own opinion) can not be denied and the only true scandal is that the IRS has not followed the law by allowing these political groups to have anonymous donors and tax exempt status

Even after the ass kicking last night you still don't get it. Lol.
Title: Re: Obama’s fingerprints all over IRS Tea Party scandal
Post by: 240 is Back on November 05, 2014, 09:38:48 PM
This is the luckiest politician of my lifetime.  He is Clinton-like in that nothing sticks to him.  Teflon Man.  But this is a very egregious abuse of power. 


we are in agreement.  Obama could literally use baby seals to smash orphans to death on the White House lawn...

Dem would be okay with it because MSNBC would censor it and they'd never see it.

Repubs would be cool with it, because they don't want to piss off the anti-Orphan voters for 2016, so impeachment off the table.


we agree obama is teflon - I'm saying this doesn't have to be the case.   Put Holder in a cell, he'll roll over on obama so fast :)
Title: Re: Obama’s fingerprints all over IRS Tea Party scandal
Post by: RRKore on November 06, 2014, 05:07:13 AM
I assume the American Center for Law and Justice is also representing Democratic groups who were also "targeted" and who actually were denied 501c4 status

Of course we also all know that given that the IRS guidelines contradict the actual law that it REQUIRES them to make judgements as to whether an organization is "primarily" or "exclusively" engaged in the promotion of social welfare

Again, the cause of the IRS's "failure to reconcile its regulations, which require only that 501(c)(4) organizations be “primarily” engaged in social welfare activities, with the Tax Code itself, which dictates that such groups be organized “exclusively” for the promotion of social welfare."

The bottom line is that NO GROUPS engaged in any kind of political activity should be allowed 501c4 status

Repubs can piss and moan all day long but the facts listed above (the final sentences is my own opinion) can not be denied and the only true scandal is that the IRS has not followed the law by allowing these political groups to have anonymous donors and tax exempt status

The American Center for Law and Justice representing Democratic groups?  LOL

Highly unlikely, I think:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Center_for_Law_%26_Justice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Center_for_Law_%26_Justice)

American Center for Law & Justice

The American Center for Law & Justice (ACLJ) is a conservative Christian law firm based in the United States in Washington, D.C. and associated with Regent University School of Law in Virginia Beach, Virginia. The ACLJ was founded in 1990 by law school graduate and evangelical minister Pat Robertson. ACLJ generally pursues Constitutional issues and conservative Christian ideals in courts of law.

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