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Just heard Dave say u can not grow your legs after the age of 40; only maintane what u have.
Is this accurate? ???
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Just heard Dave say u can not grow your legs after the age of 40; only maintane what u have.
Is this accurate? ???
what about 39?
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I'm not sure how old, but Don Youngblood didn't start training until he was mid thirties or early fourties.
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Totally depends on how long you been lifting or if you start PED's after 40. If you been lifting for 20 yrs then you prob maxed out leg growth but if you start in your mid-late thirties this will prob not be the case.
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Just heard Dave say u can not grow your legs after the age of 40; only maintane what u have.
Is this accurate? ???
Very inaccurate.
Depends on the gear you use and the intensity of your workouts. Your genetic make-up is key too.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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The world is not black and white
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The world is not black and white
Yeah, but very few people can see grey.
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Very inaccurate.
Depends on the gear you use and the intensity of your workouts. Your genetic make-up is key too.
DOC
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Exactly!
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Thing here is 99.9% of the people dave has dealt with personally have pretty much never trained without drugs and were already on them for 10-25 years before the age of 40 including himself and already tapped out.
2 things that annoy me, people who have never used AAS(including those who have done 1 8-12 week cycle in their life) giving advice on drugs, and people who have spent 99.9% of their training life on drugs giving drug free people advice.
That's also another reason palumbo is so fucked up with his joints etc, because he was a 120lbs twink marathon runner who abused the fuck out of juice the day he walked into the gym and was basically putting 285lbs on a frame meant to hold 120lbs of twink.
Look at some of those pics of him when he was sick and off the juice, especially his stick legs in that one wheelchair pick. Guy basically had the frame of zane trying to hold the size of marcus ruhl
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I'm not sure how old, but Don Youngblood didn't start training until he was mid thirties or early fourties.
And died quickly.
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He's correct. Nerve function in the legs declines faster in the lower body.
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Someone whose name is the foundation of the condition recognized as "Palumboism" should know from own experience that it is not just age.
(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/palumb06.jpg) (http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/8/2//822d3_ORIG-post_2813_1222277748.jpg)
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He's correct. Nerve function in the legs declines faster in the lower body.
While nerve loss may be greater in the lower extremities in CNS or PNS pathological states-- like peripheral neuropathy or myelopathy (spinal cord involvement ), because longer axons are more vulnerable to various types of pathology (eg. As in blood glucose changes in diabetes):
In normal healthy folks this is not the case. The likelihood that any 40 year old healthy BBer has nerve loss in the legs as a reason for poor muscle growth is bogus, unless there is some disease causing axonal loss.
Age has no effect on axonal loss in peripheral nerve except maybe when you hit 80-90 years.
DOC
Lift , fuck, make money
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And died quickly.
He did die for us bitches.
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That's also another reason palumbo is so fucked up with his joints etc, because he was a 120lbs twink marathon runner who abused the fuck out of juice the day he walked into the gym and was basically putting 285lbs on a frame meant to hold 120lbs of twink.
Can you imagine the gear he was running to hit a lean 320 lbs?
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/16/e8a7u5u4.jpg)
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Dead wrong. What about those who started training at 35, 40, 45, 50? Think their legs didn't grow? My thing after trying what Palumbo advocates is to take it and do the exact opposite.
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While nerve loss may be greater in the lower extremities in CNS or PNS pathological states-- like peripheral neuropathy or myelopathy (spinal cord involvement ), because longer axons are more vulnerable to various types of pathology (eg. As in blood glucose changes in diabetes):
In normal healthy folks this is not the case. The likelihood that any 40 year old healthy BBer has nerve loss in the legs as a reason for poor muscle growth is bogus, unless there is some disease causing axonal loss.
Age has no effect on axonal loss in peripheral nerve except maybe when you hit 80-90 years.
DOC
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I didn't say nerve loss as I don't believe there is such a thing as "loss" and bbers are not normal. Yes in a "normal" adult you will not see shrinkage as such as you will see on bbers. You will not notice this so much on bbers who really are not know for their leg mass but more on the freaks and it usually starts to happen around age 40. It doesn't mean you are diseased or at least in the way you speak of unless you want to call aging a disease as some do. Bottom line is nerve "function" declines more so in the lower body than the upper body.
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It can be done, you just have to eat a lot of calories and train with high reps.
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Dead wrong. What about those who started training at 35, 40, 45, 50? Think their legs didn't grow? My thing after trying what Palumbo advocates is to take it and do the exact opposite.
Not wrong at all. Sure someone who is 40 can grow bigger thighs if he starts lifting at that age, but someone who started at age 20 would have much bigger thighs to begin with. We need to compare apples to apples. What you are stating is correct but not what is being discussed here.
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Dexter is over 40 and still has great legs minus calves but he's rare in general, to stay competitive this long is an anamoly these days esp at the high level
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Someone whose name is the foundation of the condition recognized as "Palumboism" should know from own experience that it is not just age.
(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/palumb06.jpg) (http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/8/2//822d3_ORIG-post_2813_1222277748.jpg)
Italian/Jew genetics....
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Does Palumbo have an opinion on GH gut growth after 40?
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what about 39?
Nope Belgian genetics cut of muscle progress at 37 :P
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Someone whose name is the foundation of the condition recognized as "Palumboism" should know from own experience that it is not just age.
(http://www.darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/palumb06.jpg) (http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/8/2//822d3_ORIG-post_2813_1222277748.jpg)
he could win Nabba U. (unfortunately :P)
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Palumbo is mildly retarded.
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Does Palumbo have an opinion on GH gut growth after 40?
Gut growth is not caused by GH ;)
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lol he hasnt been off in 3 decades, what does he know about the normal functioning of the human body.
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Can you imagine the gear he was running to hit a lean 320 lbs?
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/16/e8a7u5u4.jpg)
looks better than this year's top 5 olympia
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Man that shit is SICK. Haven't seen too many pics from that era of Palumbo.
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1st set age 45- 16 years of weight training (13 totally natural)
2 set age 53- 24 years of weight training
I would say my legs grew in the interval between 46 and 53, invalidating the theory unless I am an anomoly.
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Ps on far left
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Dexter is over 40 and still has great legs minus calves but he's rare in general, to stay competitive this long is an anamoly these days esp at the high level
As soon as he lowers the dose his legs are the first to go. Look what happen 2 yrs ago when he didn't place well.
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Totally depends on how long you been lifting or if you start PED's after 40. If you been lifting for 20 yrs then you prob maxed out leg growth but if you start in your mid-late thirties this will prob not be the case.
This is correct. I have seen it many of times.
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As soon as he lowers the dose his legs are the first to go. Look what happen 2 yrs ago when he didn't place well.
Vic's legs are another one that is declining bad
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Vic's legs are another one that is declining bad
You see it all the time in the Master Class. Look at Tony's legs also.
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/16/e8a7u5u4.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4cYXlWCQAAKboz.jpg) PIP
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I didn't say nerve loss as I don't believe there is such a thing as "loss" and bbers are not normal. Yes in a "normal" adult you will not see shrinkage as such as you will see on bbers. You will not notice this so much on bbers who really are not know for their leg mass but more on the freaks and it usually starts to happen around age 40. It doesn't mean you are diseased or at least in the way you speak of unless you want to call aging a disease as some do. Bottom line is nerve "function" declines more so in the lower body than the upper body.
Bro whose cool aide you been drinking?
Nerve function is normal unless you're diseased or extremely aged. The lower extremities are usually affected more, because the longest axons are in lower extremity nerves and therefore more vulnerable to insult. That easy. If you have muscle atrophy you will see that whether or not someone is a bodybuilder. The fact the individual is a bodybuilder has nothing to do with it. Nerve function does NOT decline "more so in the lower body than the upper body."
Trust me neuromuscular is one subsubspecialty I do know something about.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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Bro whose cool aide you been drinking?
Nerve function is normal unless you're diseased or extremely aged. The lower extremities are usually affected more, because the longest axons are in lower extremity nerves and therefore more vulnerable to insult. That easy. If you have muscle atrophy you will see that whether or not someone is a bodybuilder. The fact the individual is a bodybuilder has nothing to do with it. Nerve function does NOT decline "more so in the lower body than the upper body."
Trust me neuromuscular is one subsubspecialty I do know something about.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
Nerve function declines with age what don't you get about this!!!!! It's a normal part of aging!!! The lower extremities are affected more therefore muscle growth is affected. Those with extreme leg hypertrophy will notice more atrophy in that region as they age. Trusting you has nothing to do with it. Go back to school. Better yet get your money back.
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Nerve function declines with age what don't you get about this!!!!! It's a normal part of aging!!! The lower extremities are affected more therefore muscle growth is affected. Those with extreme leg hypertrophy will notice more atrophy in that region as they age. Trusting you has nothing to do with it. Go back to school. Better yet get your money back.
M
You got issues bro.
You think you can do better than Johns Hopkins? Lol
Better bone up on your internet education mate.
I know this site makes you feel important. You seem needy for adulation.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
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dont discredit the value of getting body work done. How much scar tissue and knots play a role in performance and "growth" is way under-rated in this thread. the longer you've been at it, the more you'll have. Don't do anything about it, ie, getting deep tissue massage work on amongst other therapies, will affect everything.
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You got issues bro.
You think you can do better than Johns Hopkins? Lol
Better bone up on your internet education mate.
I know this site makes you feel important. You seen needy for adulation.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
Good come back, DOC ::)
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We can't argue with an informed doctor.
There are two issues here. Do bodybuilders decline in size as they age? Almost all do....sooner or later. Part of this is because motivation changes and training legs hard is usually avoided so size decreases.
Can guys over the age of 40 increase hypertrophy in their bodies and especially their legs? I see no reason why not. Forget about the drugs, it is still possible to adapt to stresses put on the muscular system.
Size can still increase at 70 or more. Actually doing so is not so common simply because few old men train hard enough and long enough to accumulate gains.
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If your dick can still grow regularly, so can your muscles. Right, Vince?
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I was wondering who responds to those dick enhancement ads on the net!
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Just heard Dave say u can not grow your legs after the age of 40; only maintane what u have.
Is this accurate? ???
Well, it depends who you will listen. A monkey who have never been training without gear, and has burn his body out with all those chemicals, or science. Science says, according the studies, that you never will loss your ability to gain muscle mass. There has been studies where they have take old geezers to the gym, and with same exercises than younger naturals, and same food, they gain same amount of muscle mass. For himself Dave could be right, because one more cycle and his kidneys explode, and sofore he can't grow leg size.
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i call bs
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I assume Palumbo is talking about someone who has brought their leg development as far as humanly possible before the age of 40. Which really would only be a handful of people in the world.
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He's right.
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He's right.
All you can claim is that you haven't been able to get bigger legs at your age.
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The only thing I could grow after 40 was a belly. Fuck 40.
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The only thing I could grow after 40 was a belly. Fuck 40.
My 6 pack is better than i't's ever been, can only see it getting better into my mid-late 40's. Also my quads/calves are FINALLY starting to fill out. All nutrient timing & heme iron. Just ask Falcon.
Put the fork down & back away.... son.
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All you can claim is that you haven't been able to get bigger legs at your age.
Haven't tried.
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Bro whose cool aide you been drinking?
Nerve function is normal unless you're diseased or extremely aged. The lower extremities are usually affected more, because the longest axons are in lower extremity nerves and therefore more vulnerable to insult. That easy. If you have muscle atrophy you will see that whether or not someone is a bodybuilder. The fact the individual is a bodybuilder has nothing to do with it. Nerve function does NOT decline "more so in the lower body than the upper body."
Trust me neuromuscular is one subsubspecialty I do know something about.
DOC
Lift, fuck, make money
The point being, at a certain age muscle mass decreases, this is no secret you're a doc and you know this. Legs specifically will be the first to atrophy. Know way in hell you can train at the same intensity, using the same weight or otherwise. If Platz wanted to make a comeback, he still might have the biggest legs on stage but they would be a shadow of his former self.
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The main limitation to hypertrophy in old age are injuries. Otherwise I believe hypertrophy is still possible.
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The main limitation to hypertrophy in old age are injuries. Otherwise I believe hypertrophy is still possible.
And you proved it didn't you... oh wait.
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The main limitation to hypertrophy in old age are injuries. Otherwise I believe hypertrophy is still possible.
Whats the definition of old age Vince? Anyone else who knows this answer ( I know the answer) please don't say it. Let Vince figure it out. I"m not putting him on the spot, there is an answer to this.
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1st set age 45- 16 years of weight training (13 totally natural)
2 set age 53- 24 years of weight training
I would say my legs grew in the interval between 46 and 53, invalidating the theory unless I am an anomoly.
You got the proof, so why not get your competitor stars?
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Do you believe that Kevin Levrone took 600 mg test - 400 mg deca 6-8 weeks out from shows ... lots of bullshit out there
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You got the proof, so why not get your competitor stars?
How does one do that?
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Do you believe that Kevin Levrone took 600 mg test - 400 mg deca 6-8 weeks out from shows ... lots of bullshit out there
Walking around in parking lost at night.
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How does one do that?
Look and compete like a BB.
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Where Palumbo makes the mistake is that not all 40 year old's are created equal. It's not like 100% of humans turn 40 years old and than everything changes...
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How does one do that?
Email the guy that runs this site...if you go to homepage (getbig.com) and look at the bottom of the page, there is his email address...he will verify you...you look very good for any age, by the way...props to you
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The main limitation to hypertrophy in old age are injuries. Otherwise I believe hypertrophy is still possible.
How the hell would you know, didn't you try to prove this? Maybe you can refresh our memories with your post-experiment pics.
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I think most guys are at 20 years of training when they hit 40... and thus reaching their natural ceiling.
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Where Palumbo makes the mistake is that not all 40 year old's are created equal. It's not like 100% of humans turn 40 years old and than everything changes...
Correct.
Jay cutler just turned 40 and he's the 6th best bodybuilder on Planet Earth.
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I think most guys are at 20 years of training when they hit 40... and thus reaching their natural ceiling.
Yes, and metabolism takes an incredible shit. I think I kept it up 'til maybe 41/42, then the wheels fell off. Injuries, strength loss, fat creeping up. Fuck, it was totally new territory.
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Correct.
Jay cutler just turned 40 and he's the 6th best bodybuilder on Planet Earth.
Yes, and his legs shrunk but only because he only worked out half ass and only on machines. I'm sure his drug regimen was still around 10 grams of week leading up to the big show so that wasn't the issue...
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The main limitation to hypertrophy in old age are injuries. Otherwise I believe hypertrophy is still possible.
What are you doing with the knife Basile? lol. Not my work but thought it needed a repost :D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=472841.0;attach=539950;image)
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Yes, and metabolism takes an incredible shit. I think I kept it up 'til maybe 41/42, then the wheels fell off. Injuries, strength loss, fat creeping up. Fuck, it was totally new territory.
i'm 37. nutrition suddenly matters more than anything. one week of eating crap and it looks like i haven't lifted in 6 months. i gotta passs on those mcgriddles these days. if i do get mcbreakfast, it's a sausage/egg burrito 2x a month, maybe, if i'm out and hungry and it's that or miss breakfast.
definitely more difficult than it was at 30.
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i'm 37. nutrition suddenly matters more than anything. one week of eating crap and it looks like i haven't lifted in 6 months. i gotta passs on those mcgriddles these days. if i do get mcbreakfast, it's a sausage/egg burrito 2x a month, maybe, if i'm out and hungry and it's that or miss breakfast.
definitely more difficult than it was at 30.
30 was when I first noticed it, that I had to work harder for the same results. 40, it didn't matter, work hard, diet down, body still wasn't responding very well. Then the injuries kicked in. Years of lifting heavy had just destroyed my joints and tendons. Looking back, I would have approached it differently. I would have stuck with lighter weights. But I bought into Dorian's heavy weight/intensity thing. Didn't end well.
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30 was when I first noticed it, that I had to work harder for the same results. 40, it didn't matter, Work hard, diet down, body still wasn't responding very well. Then the injuries kicked in. Years of lifting heavy had just destroyed my joints and tendons. Looking back, I would have approached it differently. I would have stuck with lighter weights. But I bought into Dorian's heavy weight/intensity thing. Didn't end well.
I've done that a few times, when I had training buddies. But I think volume works best for me. When I show up in the gym and train for 60 minutes... not 59, but at least 60... I can get in 30+ sets with moderate intensity. I'm not maxing out on bench or squats like I was ten years ago. But I'm going heavy for 8 sets, moderate for 8 sets, then light to wrap things and focus on stamina. I've focused a lot on core... an opportunity as a corporate dance partner arrived and i gotta be able to bend & twist in all sorts of new ways, pick my partner up, go down pretty close to a split... i'm feeling my age haha. I should go read up on core and stamina training, but the WYHI threads are way more interesting :)
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And you proved it didn't you... oh wait.
Last weekend Paul Graham promoted another Ifbb Australian & NSW Championship,around 5000 people attended.
8 category winners will be representing Australia at Arnold Classic '14.
Vince must be pissed in jealousy (again) ;D.
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Correct.
Jay cutler just turned 40 and he's the 6th best bodybuilder on Planet Earth.
And dexter is 44 and top 5 and won the AC earlier this yr
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And dexter is 44 and top 5 and won the AC earlier this yr
Dex has exceptional genetics, though. He's an aberration.
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Dex has exceptional genetics, though. He's an aberration.
That and I believe he was "smarter" with his usage, didn't play the size game and probably didn't "abuse" the shit out of drugs. Still abuse at that level but compared to Coleman, Kai, Phil, who played the mass monster game will burn out sooner or later quickly. Phil better nab as many titles before health and age decline
Dexs longevity proves he slowly added mass over the yrs and if u look when he does his back double bi or front most muscular, he's one of the only few who still has striations all over his delts
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Just heard Dave say u can not grow your legs after the age of 40; only maintane what u have.
Is this accurate? ???
You certainly cant do heavy squats ( I WOULD not recomen it) I'm 40 and been training since age 15...
If you want to keep your hips,knees,lower back healthy stay away from it.
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH
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Two names that immediately come to mind as having bigger legs in their 40s than in their 20s or 30s are Francis Benfatto and Lou Ferrigno.
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Two names that immediately come to mind as having bigger legs in their 40s than in their 20s or 30s are Francis Benfatto and Lou Ferrigno.
Yes, but so were their upper bodies which indicates more overall drug use.
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Most gbers don't train legs.