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Title: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: OzmO on November 25, 2013, 09:42:32 AM
So I am driving around Downtown Eugene, OR this weekend and there are little parking lots, i saw 2 of them, large enough to fit maybe 20-30 cars.  They converted them to "tent lots" where homeless people have their tents and sleep each night with a sign in the front saying:  "We have the right to sleep"

When i saw it I just thought:  You also have the the right go into the forest and build yourself a shelter out of wood.  Maybe you will leanr that hard work will get you something and then be motivated to get out of your predicament instead of being whiny lazy bums.

Why is it that these homeless people feel they have a right to force people or the city to take of them?  Why do they think they need to act as if it society's fault they are homeless and therefore is the working man's burden?


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: 240 is Back on November 25, 2013, 09:49:21 AM
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Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: loco on November 25, 2013, 10:54:35 AM
So I am driving around Downtown Eugene, OR this weekend and there are little parking lots, i saw 2 of them, large enough to fit maybe 20-30 cars.  They converted them to "tent lots" where homeless people have their tents and sleep each night with a sign in the front saying:  "We have the right to sleep"

When i saw it I just thought:  You also have the the right go into the forest and build yourself a shelter out of wood.  Maybe you will leanr that hard work will get you something and then be motivated to get out of your predicament instead of being whiny lazy bums.

Why is it that these homeless people feel they have a right to force people or the city to take of them?  Why do they think they need to act as if it society's fault they are homeless and therefore is the working man's burden?

You Nazi, Neo-Con, Capitalist, Republican, Racist, Anti-Obama, coke sniffing, insensitive Jerk.  How dare you speak like that of the bums.    >:(


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: Dos Equis on November 25, 2013, 11:03:39 AM
Interesting.  I was running the other morning and ran by a bunch of homeless people.  Almost stepped on one who was sleeping on the ground on a piece of cardboard.  Then I ran by multimillion dollar oceanfront homes, a world class golf course, and the most exclusive country club on the island.  The difference between the haves and have nots is just a mile or two. 

I came away with a much greater appreciation for my station in life and much more sympathetic to people whose only earthly possessions are the clothes on their backs. 


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: OzmO on November 25, 2013, 11:33:10 AM
Interesting.  I was running the other morning and ran by a bunch of homeless people.  Almost stepped on one who was sleeping on the ground on a piece of cardboard.  Then I ran by multimillion dollar oceanfront homes, a world class golf course, and the most exclusive country club on the island.  The difference between the haves and have nots is just a mile or two. 

I came away with a much greater appreciation for my station in life and much more sympathetic to people whose only earthly possessions are the clothes on their backs. 

Should they be able to take over public parking lots and turn them into tent shelters by right?

That's my issue. 

Staying homeless (able bodied and mind) is a choice.  Should that be those who work for a living responsibility? 

PS:  Being homeless in Hawaii almost doesn't count.  (Sleeping in a tent on the beach)  ;D


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: Dos Equis on November 25, 2013, 11:37:34 AM
Should they be able to take over public parking lots and turn them into tent shelters by right?

That's my issue. 

Staying homeless (able bodied and mind) is a choice.  Should that be those who work for a living responsibility? 

PS:  Being homeless in Hawaii almost doesn't count.  (Sleeping in a tent on the beach)  ;D

I'd say no to taking over an entire parking lot, but are we really going to spend resources kicking them out of a public parking lot after hours? 

I'm not sure what the circumstances of the people are, but I agree some of them are homeless by choice.  Some have mental problems.  Some might be a product of hard times. 

I used to think that about Hawaii too, but running right by them at about 4 in the morning puts a different light on it, at least for me.  Pretty sad.  And it gets cold at night.  Seventy here can feel like forty on the mainland.   :)


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: 24KT on November 25, 2013, 11:42:13 AM
Should they be able to take over public parking lots and turn them into tent shelters by right?

That's my issue. 

Staying homeless (able bodied and mind) is a choice.  Should that be those who work for a living responsibility? 

PS:  Being homeless in Hawaii almost doesn't count.  (Sleeping in a tent on the beach)  ;D

I'd say the operative word in your rant is PUBLIC.

I would argue, if it's a PUBLIC parking lot, ...are they not members of the public?
Why not consider it this way: They are members of the public who chose to park their asses in the lot for the night.  :P


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: loco on November 25, 2013, 12:53:31 PM
Should they be able to take over public parking lots and turn them into tent shelters by right?

That's my issue. 

Staying homeless (able bodied and mind) is a choice.  Should that be those who work for a living responsibility? 

PS:  Being homeless in Hawaii almost doesn't count.  (Sleeping in a tent on the beach)  ;D

I wish I were homeless in Hawaii.    :'(


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: OzmO on November 25, 2013, 01:53:25 PM
I'd say the operative word in your rant is PUBLIC.

I would argue, if it's a PUBLIC parking lot, ...are they not members of the public?
Why not consider it this way: They are members of the public who chose to park their asses in the lot for the night.  :P

It stays that way 24/7.  The whole parking lots is used.  So the tents are always up and i saw one of these in Portland, OR, a few weeks back; It had a make shift barrier around it.


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: OzmO on November 25, 2013, 01:56:30 PM
I'd say no to taking over an entire parking lot, but are we really going to spend resources kicking them out of a public parking lot after hours? 

I'm not sure what the circumstances of the people are, but I agree some of them are homeless by choice.  Some have mental problems.  Some might be a product of hard times. 

I used to think that about Hawaii too, but running right by them at about 4 in the morning puts a different light on it, at least for me.  Pretty sad.  And it gets cold at night.  Seventy here can feel like forty on the mainland.   :)
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lol rrrrrrrright  :D


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: Dos Equis on November 25, 2013, 01:59:04 PM
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lol rrrrrrrright  :D

It's true. When it drops below 70 at night it's freezing.   :)


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: Archer77 on November 25, 2013, 01:59:49 PM
I wish I were homeless in Hawaii.    :'(

Tent cities there as well.


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: Jack T. Cross on November 25, 2013, 04:57:30 PM
You Nazi, Neo-Con, Capitalist, Republican, Racist, Anti-Obama, coke sniffing, insensitive Jerk.  How dare you speak like that of the bums.    >:(

I thought you were a Christian, loco.

Bad day, or what?


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: headhuntersix on November 25, 2013, 04:59:44 PM
Can't Nike pay to house all those people..or give them old ducks jerseys to wear?


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: 24KT on November 25, 2013, 06:14:26 PM
It's true. When it drops below 70 at night it's freezing.   :)

You sure wouldn't want to be handling Toronto weather, ...especially these past few days.

We went from a mild, balmy 13 degrees Celsius, to a massive blast of arctic air, 50km per hour wind gusts, and snow. The temps plunged down to minus 10 degrees Celsius, which felt like minus 40 degrees with the windchill factored in, ...all within a span of less than 12 hours.


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: Dos Equis on November 25, 2013, 06:24:59 PM
You sure wouldn't want to be handling Toronto weather, ...especially these past few days.

We went from a mild, balmy 13 degrees Celsius, to a massive blast of arctic air, 50km per hour wind gusts, and snow. The temps plunged down to minus 10 degrees Celsius, which felt like minus 40 degrees with the windchill factored in, ...all within a span of less than 12 hours.

Don't know Celsius.  We use Fahrenheit.   


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: OzmO on November 25, 2013, 06:36:33 PM
Celsius is actually a little warmer  :D ;D


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: loco on November 26, 2013, 05:59:07 AM
I thought you were a Christian, loco.

Bad day, or what?

Nah, OzmO is alright by me and I've got nothing against him, and he knows that.  Just trolling.  Christians have a sense of humor too...at least some of us do.   ;D


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: jjbones on November 28, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Obama is the king of victims.  You didn't succeed ... no problem it wasn't your fault, its not fair.  The system was designed for you to fail ... you never had a chance to succeed.  Obama says the same thing about himself.  So, yes in todays US you have a right to squat on public and private property and do what ever the fuck you want.  You didn't see this sort of bullshit when Reagan was around.


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: 24KT on November 29, 2013, 07:52:03 AM
Don't know Celsius.  We use Fahrenheit.   


Technical Translation for the Metricly Challenged:

We went from a balmy 55 degrees Fahrenheit to 14 degrees Fahrenheit, which with the winds factored in, felt like minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit in less than 12 hours.

Universal Translation:

It was bloody freaking cold!!!


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: 24KT on November 29, 2013, 08:04:38 AM
Obama is the king of victims.  You didn't succeed ... no problem it wasn't your fault, its not fair.  The system was designed for you to fail ... you never had a chance to succeed.  Obama says the same thing about himself.  So, yes in todays US you have a right to squat on public and private property and do what ever the fuck you want.  You didn't see this sort of bullshit when Reagan was around.

We're you even alive when Reagan was around?   ::)

I was living in the USA while Reagan was president, ...and I can assure you it wasn't pretty.

And yes, the system IS designed for you to fail. Those of us who recognized that early on are the ones who escape the traps laid out, and succeed. And OzmO's reference is not a reference to private property.

But if you want to take a step back in history, your country wouldn't exist if it weren't for a bunch of people who decided to squat on someone else's land. Not content with just squatting, they then proceeded to orchestrate wholesale genocide against them.

Perhaps it's this unspoken truth of their ow history that scares the heck out of some people, ...either that, or the fear that they will soon be joining their ranks.


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: tonymctones on November 29, 2013, 09:13:02 AM
And yes, the system IS designed for you to fail. Those of us who recognized that early on are the ones who escape the traps laid out, and succeed. And OzmO's reference is not a reference to private property.
LMFAO well its a shitty design then b/c the majority of people do succeed within the system


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: bears on November 29, 2013, 09:51:31 AM
We're you even alive when Reagan was around?   ::)

I was living in the USA while Reagan was president, ...and I can assure you it wasn't pretty.

And yes, the system IS designed for you to fail. Those of us who recognized that early on are the ones who escape the traps laid out, and succeed. And OzmO's reference is not a reference to private property.

But if you want to take a step back in history, your country wouldn't exist if it weren't for a bunch of people who decided to squat on someone else's land. Not content with just squatting, they then proceeded to orchestrate wholesale genocide against them.

Perhaps it's this unspoken truth of their ow history that scares the heck out of some people, ...either that, or the fear that they will soon be joining their ranks.

please shut the fuck up. 

do me a favor.  name me ONE.  ONE FUCKING COUNTRY in the world that was not conquered by someone else at some point and whose indigenous people were not treated horribly.  ONE FUCKING COUNTRY.  that's all I ask. 

i'm so sick and fucking tired of asshats like you thinking that they're saying something profound when they talk about the US kicking the native americans off of their land, like it had never been done before anywhere in the world.  read a fucking book for christs sake.


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: 24KT on November 29, 2013, 12:25:19 PM
please shut the fuck up. 

do me a favor.  name me ONE.  ONE FUCKING COUNTRY in the world that was not conquered by someone else at some point and whose indigenous people were not treated horribly.  ONE FUCKING COUNTRY.  that's all I ask. 

i'm so sick and fucking tired of asshats like you thinking that they're saying something profound when they talk about the US kicking the native americans off of their land, like it had never been done before anywhere in the world.  read a fucking book for christs sake.

Hmmm... quite the angry little boy aren't we?

The only people angered by truth are those living a lie.  :)


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: bears on November 29, 2013, 01:02:17 PM
Hmmm... quite the angry little boy aren't we?

The only people angered by truth are those living a lie.  :)

like I said just name one country and i'll shut up. 

that rhetoric may work with young impressionable college kids but that mickey mouse shit doesn't cut the mustard with adults who actually know what they're talking about. 



Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: Dos Equis on November 29, 2013, 02:22:37 PM

Technical Translation for the Metricly Challenged:

We went from a balmy 55 degrees Fahrenheit to 14 degrees Fahrenheit, which with the winds factored in, felt like minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit in less than 12 hours.

Universal Translation:

It was bloody freaking cold!!!

Nobody cares about the metric system. 

Pretty big cold front.  Never heard of a wind chill of minus 40 when its 14 degrees out. 


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: Dos Equis on November 29, 2013, 02:27:15 PM
We're you even alive when Reagan was around?   ::)

I was living in the USA while Reagan was president, ...and I can assure you it wasn't pretty.

And yes, the system IS designed for you to fail. Those of us who recognized that early on are the ones who escape the traps laid out, and succeed. And OzmO's reference is not a reference to private property.

But if you want to take a step back in history, your country wouldn't exist if it weren't for a bunch of people who decided to squat on someone else's land. Not content with just squatting, they then proceeded to orchestrate wholesale genocide against them.

Perhaps it's this unspoken truth of their ow history that scares the heck out of some people, ...either that, or the fear that they will soon be joining their ranks.

UN Urged To Declare Canada's Treatment Of Aboriginals 'Genocide'
The Huffington Post Canada  |  By Michael Bolen   
Posted: 10/18/2013 4:53 pm EDT  |  Updated: 10/19/2013

FOLLOW: Idle No More, Genocide Aboriginals, Genocide Canada, Genocide Canada First Nations, Genocide Canada Natives, Genocide First Nations, Genocide Natives, Genocide Un Canada, United Nations Canada, United Nations Canada Genocide, Canada Politics News
A fresh campaign is underway to push the United Nations to label Canada's treatment of First Nations people "genocide."

On Monday, former National Chief Phil Fontaine, elder Fred Kelly, businessman Dr. Michael Dan and human rights activist Bernie Farber sent a letter to James Anaya, UN special rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, arguing that several specific crimes against aboriginal people in Canada qualify as genocide under the post-Second World War Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG)

Article 2 of the Convention states that "genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The letter writers assert that at least three actions on the part of Canadian governments constitute genocide under those rules.

1. Sir John A. MacDonald's policy of deliberately starving First Nations people to make way for settlers in the Canadian west.

2. The residential school system and especially the decision of Department of Indian Affairs chief Duncan Campbell Scott not to address rampant tuberculosis among students.


3. The forcible removal of aboriginal children from their homes for the purpose of adoption by white families, a practice known as the "Sixties Scoop." Estimates put the number of children removed between the 1960s and the mid 1980s at around 20,000.

Farber and Dan have previously argued that the recently revealed nutrition experiments performed on children at residential schools also qualify as genocide.

The genocide argument has been criticized by Sun News pundit Ezra Levant, who wrote this summer that "Canada does not and never has had a policy of exterminating Indians. Genocides donít normally include billions of dollars a year in government grants to the group in question, affirmative action hiring quotas, land reserves and other privileges."

Levant accuses Dan of hiring Faber to curry favour with First Nations people so his Gemini Power Corp. can get permission to build power plants on reserves.

Farber told HuffPost Canada in an email that Levant's characterization is inaccurate.

"Ezra, as usual, gets it wrong."

The letter from Farber and company was sent as special rapporteur Anaya concluded a visit to Canada. He said Canada faces a "crisis" regarding its indigenous people and called for an inquiry into missing and murdered aboriginal women.

The Conservative government pledged to renew efforts to address the issue of murdered and missing aboriginal women in its throne speech Wednesday.

Earlier this year, former prime minister Paul Martin referred to residential schools as "cultural genocide." In 2012, Justice Murray Sinclair, the chairman of Canada's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, said the removal of children from their homes to residential schools was an act of genocide, but that it didn't necessarily qualify under the UN Convention.

There have only ever been two successful prosecutions under the Genocide Convention, former Rwandan prime minister Jean Kambanda and ex-mayor Jean-Paul Akayesu for crimes during the 1994 slaughter in that country. The UN's highest court cleared the government of Serbia of genocide charges in 2007, but found it breached international law in failing to stop the killing and by not handing over officials accused of war crimes.

The push for action from the UN comes amid renewed violence between authorities and aboriginal peoples. On Thursday, police cars were torched during an attempt by the RCMP to enforce an injunction to end a demonstration against shale gas exploration in eastern New Brunswick. The Mounties said at least 40 people were arrested

The violence has sparked a renewal of the cross-country protests seen during the Idle No More movement last winter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/18/genocide-first-nations-aboriginals-canada-un_n_4123112.html


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: 24KT on November 29, 2013, 02:33:48 PM
Nobody cares about the metric system.  

Pretty big cold front.  Never heard of a wind chill of minus 40 when its 14 degrees out.  

ahem... the majority of the world is on the metric system.

It was a wicked arctic front, and the winds were pretty bad.
Thank Goodness for the snowfall that warmed things up somewhat.


Title: Re: "We have a right to sleep"....
Post by: 24KT on November 29, 2013, 02:46:16 PM
UN Urged To Declare Canada's Treatment Of Aboriginals 'Genocide'
The Huffington Post Canada  |  By Michael Bolen   
Posted: 10/18/2013 4:53 pm EDT  |  Updated: 10/19/2013

FOLLOW: Idle No More, Genocide Aboriginals, Genocide Canada, Genocide Canada First Nations, Genocide Canada Natives, Genocide First Nations, Genocide Natives, Genocide Un Canada, United Nations Canada, United Nations Canada Genocide, Canada Politics News
A fresh campaign is underway to push the United Nations to label Canada's treatment of First Nations people "genocide."

On Monday, former National Chief Phil Fontaine, elder Fred Kelly, businessman Dr. Michael Dan and human rights activist Bernie Farber sent a letter to James Anaya, UN special rapporteur on the rights of indigenous peoples, arguing that several specific crimes against aboriginal people in Canada qualify as genocide under the post-Second World War Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG)

Article 2 of the Convention states that "genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The letter writers assert that at least three actions on the part of Canadian governments constitute genocide under those rules.

1. Sir John A. MacDonald's policy of deliberately starving First Nations people to make way for settlers in the Canadian west.

2. The residential school system and especially the decision of Department of Indian Affairs chief Duncan Campbell Scott not to address rampant tuberculosis among students.


3. The forcible removal of aboriginal children from their homes for the purpose of adoption by white families, a practice known as the "Sixties Scoop." Estimates put the number of children removed between the 1960s and the mid 1980s at around 20,000.

Farber and Dan have previously argued that the recently revealed nutrition experiments performed on children at residential schools also qualify as genocide.

The genocide argument has been criticized by Sun News pundit Ezra Levant, who wrote this summer that "Canada does not and never has had a policy of exterminating Indians. Genocides donít normally include billions of dollars a year in government grants to the group in question, affirmative action hiring quotas, land reserves and other privileges."

Levant accuses Dan of hiring Faber to curry favour with First Nations people so his Gemini Power Corp. can get permission to build power plants on reserves.

Farber told HuffPost Canada in an email that Levant's characterization is inaccurate.

"Ezra, as usual, gets it wrong."

The letter from Farber and company was sent as special rapporteur Anaya concluded a visit to Canada. He said Canada faces a "crisis" regarding its indigenous people and called for an inquiry into missing and murdered aboriginal women.

The Conservative government pledged to renew efforts to address the issue of murdered and missing aboriginal women in its throne speech Wednesday.

Earlier this year, former prime minister Paul Martin referred to residential schools as "cultural genocide." In 2012, Justice Murray Sinclair, the chairman of Canada's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, said the removal of children from their homes to residential schools was an act of genocide, but that it didn't necessarily qualify under the UN Convention.

There have only ever been two successful prosecutions under the Genocide Convention, former Rwandan prime minister Jean Kambanda and ex-mayor Jean-Paul Akayesu for crimes during the 1994 slaughter in that country. The UN's highest court cleared the government of Serbia of genocide charges in 2007, but found it breached international law in failing to stop the killing and by not handing over officials accused of war crimes.

The push for action from the UN comes amid renewed violence between authorities and aboriginal peoples. On Thursday, police cars were torched during an attempt by the RCMP to enforce an injunction to end a demonstration against shale gas exploration in eastern New Brunswick. The Mounties said at least 40 people were arrested

The violence has sparked a renewal of the cross-country protests seen during the Idle No More movement last winter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/18/genocide-first-nations-aboriginals-canada-un_n_4123112.html

The list of attrocities is appalling. The horror & abuse that took place in some of those native schools was simply shocking. From routine sexual abuse of children to all out torture as punishment for simple infractions like speaking their own native language.

The official lyrics to Canada's National anthem Oh Canada go:

Oh Canada, Our home and Native land...

but alot of Canadians have taken to singing:

Oh Canada, Our home on Native land.

Many Canadians have no clue about the attrocities committed by our own government over the years.
It's only when our government gets high & mighty with others and they throw the hypocrisy in our faces when most Canadians get a wake up call. Like back in the 80's when Canada spoke out against S. Africa's system of apartheid, and Botha shot back "what about your reservations?", ...or when First Nations people start blockading roads. Govs freak out when they start that, because the public starts asking why, ...and the answers often don't cast the government in a very favourable light.