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Title: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: brianX on January 07, 2006, 07:48:17 PM
Anyone who thinks that it is impossible to get big and ripped without drugs is an idiot. This is a photo of Arthur Harris taken in the mid 50's. There is no way that he or anyone else in the US had access to steroids during this time period.

What's amazing is that people think training knowledge has improved since then. They couldn't be more wrong.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 07, 2006, 07:58:50 PM
Are you sure thats from the mid 50s? he looks awesome , and steroids didn't hit the competitive bodybuilding scene until 1960 at earlisest.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Double XL on January 07, 2006, 08:04:23 PM
TESTOSTERONE WAS AVAILABLE IN THE 50'S AND WAS USED BY ATHLETES AND BODYBUILDERS ALIKE.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: benchthis on January 07, 2006, 08:21:30 PM
hes african american wat about us white folk
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 07, 2006, 08:25:05 PM
TESTOSTERONE WAS AVAILABLE IN THE 50'S AND WAS USED BY ATHLETES AND BODYBUILDERS ALIKE.

Yes by Russian atheletes in the mid 50s Olympics and it wasn't synthesized until 1958 when Ciba and Dr Ziegler invented Dianabol , and then he started testing it on weightlifters , anabolic steroids didn't make their way into competitive bodybuilding until 1960.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Double XL on January 07, 2006, 08:35:03 PM
YOU ARE CORRECT, TESTOSTERONE ISNT A STEROID THOUGH.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Getting bigger on January 07, 2006, 09:25:53 PM
YOU ARE CORRECT, TESTOSTERONE ISNT A STEROID THOUGH.

Dude, hit the Caps Lock key...
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: suckmymuscle on January 07, 2006, 09:28:47 PM
Anyone who thinks that it is impossible to get big and ripped without drugs is an idiot. This is a photo of Arthur Harris taken in the mid 50's. There is no way that he or anyone else in the US had access to steroids during this time period.

What's amazing is that people think training knowledge has improved since then. They couldn't be more wrong.

  He was on d-bol.

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: chris_mason on January 08, 2006, 07:46:04 AM
Anyone who thinks that it is impossible to get big and ripped without drugs is an idiot. This is a photo of Arthur Harris taken in the mid 50's. There is no way that he or anyone else in the US had access to steroids during this time period.

What's amazing is that people think training knowledge has improved since then. They couldn't be more wrong.

I could believe he was clean.  Training knowledge hasn't improved since that time.  I know it is fashionable to think it has, but it really hasn't.  I agree with you 100% with the exception of the fact there is a possibility he had access to hormones.  That said, I think it is most likely he was clean.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: sarcasm on January 08, 2006, 07:51:02 AM
he's ripped but honestly not that big.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Mars on January 08, 2006, 07:51:41 AM
If he was juicing he had terrible genetics.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Gord on January 08, 2006, 07:57:27 AM
If he was juicing he had terrible genetics.

Why?
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: 3Dkiller on January 08, 2006, 09:44:27 AM
he used Dbol.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: robocop on January 08, 2006, 09:54:25 AM
also used steroids
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: sean on January 08, 2006, 10:38:48 AM
He's also a brother... nuff said
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: bmacsys on January 08, 2006, 11:02:35 AM
Anyone who thinks that it is impossible to get big and ripped without drugs is an idiot. This is a photo of Arthur Harris taken in the mid 50's. There is no way that he or anyone else in the US had access to steroids during this time period.

What's amazing is that people think training knowledge has improved since then. They couldn't be more wrong.

Brian, I think knowledge of nutrition has advanced considerably.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Karl Kox on January 08, 2006, 11:08:15 AM
he's ripped but honestly not that big.
ya I agree
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: hillbilly on January 08, 2006, 11:23:40 AM
i think training, nutrition and supplementation has improved loads (we know wat they did + all the stuff since obviously!!!!!!!) its interesting that if that was possible back then, now u could acheive so much more. but cus steroids r used so much nowadays if someone claims they r big+ clean they r called a lier i hate that i really do. take skip lacour (and im not saying he is natural just that he might be) if this harris guy did it then why is it not possible that some of these naturals r telling the truth considering all the new stuff we know!
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Pork_Chop on January 08, 2006, 12:03:47 PM
he was probably 5'2
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: gracie bjj on January 08, 2006, 12:51:11 PM
steve reeves and bill pearl were doing dbol in the 50,s so why couldnt this dude be doing it also?im not saying he was but he could of been on
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Hedgehog on January 08, 2006, 01:24:38 PM
steve reeves and bill pearl were doing dbol in the 50,s so why couldnt this dude be doing it also?im not saying he was but he could of been on

How did Steve Reeves do Dbol in the 50's, when Dbol was invented in 1958?

Just as a side note: Steve Reeves won the Mr Universe in 1950, and Mr World in 1948.

YIP
Zack
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: gracie bjj on January 08, 2006, 01:29:50 PM
i thought 1958 was is the 1950,s,maybe you thought i meant his age,i read a bill pearl interveiw and hes aid they would only take small amounts back then,2 tabs a day
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Kaliym73 on January 08, 2006, 02:03:46 PM
Good pic.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: tommywishbone on January 08, 2006, 02:50:13 PM
Close, but dianabol was invented in 1957 by Dr. John Zeigler. It was available to the public in late 1958. FWIW.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: bigdumbbell on January 08, 2006, 02:59:52 PM
Close, but dianabol was invented in 1957 by Dr. John Zeigler. It was available to the public in late 1958. FWIW.

god bless the germans :)
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: tommywishbone on January 08, 2006, 03:13:46 PM
god bless the germans :)

or... Gott segnen die Deutschen.  ;)
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on January 08, 2006, 04:12:43 PM
Steve Reeves never used steroids , D-bol wasn't invented until 8 years after he stopped competing , he retired at 24 , 24 !! he won ever major contest , he was actually opssed to steroids in his book he addresses that issue , he said he never heard of steroids until the 60s.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: timfogarty on January 08, 2006, 04:40:39 PM
testosterone esters were first mentioned in Strength and Health magazine in 1938.  Bodybuilders in the 1950s certainly had access to them.

Steve Reeves was a lot bigger for his movies than he ever was as a competition bodybuilder.  Looking at photos from the time, it certainly appears he was on steroids during the mid to late 1950s.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: deviant on January 08, 2006, 04:41:53 PM
This is a photo of Arthur Harris taken in the mid 50's. There is no way that he or anyone else in the US had access to steroids during this time period.


Thats a pretty sweeping statement. I believe that most guys from the 50's were natural bodybuilders but steroid history goes back further than you think....

...testosterone was first synthesised in the 1930s, was used by the germans during WW2 on malnourished soldiers and POWs and introduced to the sporting arena in the 1940s..

...the reason everyone harps on about the 1950s as being the dawn of the steroid era is because it was at the 1952 olympics that the russians finally nailed steroids as a performance enhancing drug and rewrote the record books in weightlifting and walked away with a shitload of medals.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Tombo on January 08, 2006, 05:43:24 PM
testosterone esters were first mentioned in Strength and Health magazine in 1938.  Bodybuilders in the 1950s certainly had access to them.

Steve Reeves was a lot bigger for his movies than he ever was as a competition bodybuilder.  Looking at photos from the time, it certainly appears he was on steroids during the mid to late 1950s.

i dont think you're right there.. i just think he was always standing next to people with mediocre physiques in his movies and you could tell how big he got.. i always thought he lost alot of his size for his movies i.e. in his legs and arms
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Gunnar R on January 09, 2006, 04:35:00 AM
Thats a pretty sweeping statement. I believe that most guys from the 50's were natural bodybuilders but steroid history goes back further than you think....

...testosterone was first synthesised in the 1930s, was used by the germans during WW2 on malnourished soldiers and POWs and introduced to the sporting arena in the 1940s..

...the reason everyone harps on about the 1950s as being the dawn of the steroid era is because it was at the 1952 olympics that the russians finally nailed steroids as a performance enhancing drug and rewrote the record books in weightlifting and walked away with a shitload of medals.

Correct.
By 1935, Testosterone had been produced synthetically as an anabolic steroid. In 1945 a widely read book called "The Male Hormone" resulted in experimentation amongst athletes and bodybuilders.

Just read
"A brief history of testosterone"
Freeman ER, Bloom DA, McGuire EJ.
Department of Surgery, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA.

Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Beyond Genetics on January 09, 2006, 04:41:49 AM
 Anabolic steroids were first isolated and chemically characterized during the 1930's and in WWII it is rumored that the Germans used steroids to increase the aggressiveness of their troops (Yesalis, 1993). In the 1950's an American physician and weightlifter discovered the use of testosterone by Russian weightlifters. After experimentation on himself, he developed a synthetic steroid. He wrote about his discovery in popular bodybuilding magazines and thus the craze began (Goldman, 1984).
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: WiseGuy on January 09, 2006, 12:00:22 PM
Anyone who thinks that it is impossible to get big and ripped without drugs is an idiot. This is a photo of Arthur Harris taken in the mid 50's. There is no way that he or anyone else in the US had access to steroids during this time period.

What's amazing is that people think training knowledge has improved since then. They couldn't be more wrong.

please...

 that guy was on gear

 ::)
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on January 09, 2006, 12:22:35 PM
lets see his legs
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Bodies on January 09, 2006, 11:56:28 PM
Reeves was on gear.  No Doubt about it.  What exactly?  That's the question.  A testosterone ester 200-400mg/wk?  An earlier than d-bol synthetic?  Something he got from Germany maybe?  Someone (one of the historians) on this board must know or have heard what it was.  Reeves and Park both were obviously cycling something.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: arnold5 on January 10, 2006, 01:31:34 AM
does any one know, who's the  person  , standing next to reeves??
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Van_Bilderass on January 10, 2006, 02:16:08 AM
does any one know, who's the  person  , standing next to reeves??
George Eiferman?
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: The Luke on January 10, 2006, 04:35:17 AM
Does anyone know the highest "natural" bodyweight ever achieved? (approx 10% bf)

I know, but a shiny dime says no one here guesses anywhere close.

The Luke
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: Mars on January 10, 2006, 04:50:59 AM
George Foreskin.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: arnold5 on January 10, 2006, 05:39:06 AM
George Eiferman?

thanks , btw  he looks huge in the picture..amazing.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: gammahydroxy on January 10, 2006, 01:22:52 PM
Does anyone know the highest "natural" bodyweight ever achieved? (approx 10% bf)

I know, but a shiny dime says no one here guesses anywhere close.

The Luke

I'm going to say ronnie coleman had the highest bodyweight at 10% bodyfat..
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: ARTI on January 10, 2006, 01:44:03 PM
Reeves Unflexed Calf is pretty damn big for his size.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: The Luke on January 10, 2006, 01:50:46 PM
Not even close gammahydroxy,

Ronnie doesn't even come close, 300 lbs?? Do I hear higher??

The shiny dime remains mine....


The Luke

PS - I said largest reported "natural" bodyweight at under 10% bodyfat.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: ARTI on January 10, 2006, 02:21:26 PM
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Not even close gammahydroxy,

Ronnie doesn't even come close, 300 lbs?? Do I hear higher??

The shiny dime remains mine....


The Luke

PS - I said largest reported "natural" bodyweight at under 10% bodyfat.


OK, How are you gonna prove someone was/is well over 300 lbs. @ less then 10% bf and completly natural?

You can't know if someone was "lifetime" drug-free or not.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and call BULLSHIT on this one.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: paul84 on January 10, 2006, 03:16:09 PM
YOU ARE CORRECT, TESTOSTERONE ISNT A STEROID THOUGH.

Please delete your account and leave getbig forever.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: timfogarty on January 10, 2006, 04:27:08 PM
here is a much younger Reeves and Eiferman
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: timfogarty on January 10, 2006, 04:27:53 PM
and an older Reeves and Eiferman
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: timfogarty on January 10, 2006, 04:30:33 PM
here is one of Eiferman at his peak
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: sarcasm on January 10, 2006, 04:31:31 PM
monster triceps.
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: suckmymuscle on January 10, 2006, 06:26:04 PM
here is one of Eiferman at his peak

  Today, his physique wouldn't get him an Abercrombie&Fitch commercial. :-\

SUCKMYMUSCLE
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: bigdumbbell on January 10, 2006, 07:33:30 PM
does any one know, who's the  person  , standing next to reeves??

a short jewish guy
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: The Luke on January 11, 2006, 12:09:35 PM
Okay, does evryone give up??

The shiny dime remains mine... pity no one really tried on this one. I know of several men who have weighed over 300 lbs at 10% bodyfat or less without ever utilising steroids.

Below are pictures of:

Captain George Auger                320 lbs (went up to 400) at 8'6'' (photo taken in 1916)
Mr Machnow (Russian)                350 lbs at 8'7'' (photo taken in 1905)
and
Johann K. Petursson                   approx: 450 lbs at 7'10'' (photo taken circa 1950)

The Luke
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
Post by: BroadStreetBruiser on January 11, 2006, 12:13:01 PM
If I was that big I'd beat up people all the time
Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
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Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
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Title: Re: Big, ripped, and NATURAL
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