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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: M1 on January 09, 2006, 12:56:56 PM
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what do you guys think pros like Jay or Ronnie would spend on juice in a year?
Who is the biggest juicer do you think? I reckon its Markus...
I think Ronnie must spend at least $50,000 a year on juice and GH
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what do you guys think pros like Jay or Ronnie would spend on juice in a year?
More than you could possibly imagine, negro.
Beyond your wildest dreams, son.
DIV
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how much Div? come on man you're the steroid guru
are to saying like $80,000 or something insane like that???
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man thats alot, I wish I made that sort of money :o
Doing gay stuff for steroids, man dunno what I think to that :-\
thanks for the answer mindspin
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if a pro obtained raw material and made it himself he could juice heavily pretty cheap. said pro could hit 3g of test per week for a year for around $200-300 and not alot more for various other necessities, gh would be the only expensive factor. lets say he got the gh for say $3iu and does 10iu per everyday, thats around $10g for about a year, insulin is $32 a bottle and a bottle is alot of insulin. it would cost more for a pro to eat 6,000 calories a day then to be juiced to the gills. stories of $50g are stupid, that is unless the pro is that stupid which wouldnt suprise me in some cases.
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The elite are getting much of their stash for free, given to them by wannabies and schmoes who just want to be associated with the pros. Others, are paying a high price, but it comes in the form of rectal penetration. The rest, are paying dealers but often get a break since they are "pros". The cost comes to $20,000 - $60,000 per year.
you read my mind dude, i've known some pro PL'ers and Strongmen and these guys get huge price breaks on their shit and most of these guys sell the stuff as well and dip into their own supply, i knew one dude who had his shit in a huge shoe box.
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The cost comes to $20,000 - $60,000 per year.
Since juice is basically a requirement for competing professionally, they should try to write it off on their income tax return as a cost of doin business. :)
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Oh you people make me laugh.You really have no idea.Yes i paid for mine last year and didnt go over 5,000.I have know idea on your figures.
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Oh you people make me laugh.You really have no idea.Yes i paid for mine last year and didnt go over 5,000.I have know idea on your figures.
yeah, but you say you use very little
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Oh you people make me laugh.You really have no idea.Yes i paid for mine last year and didnt go over 5,000.I have know idea on your figures.
now somebody is gonna call lee a liar about this
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Has anyone heard the commercials on some product that says it guarantees you to get taller. I think short guys should take this.
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Yeah and here is the shocker a little works thats why i am amazed that all the amatures i meet take so much more then the pros i have talked to.More dosen't mean bigger people.Steriods don't equal size and a pro card.Look around your gym how many people do you know using them and look like crap?Yes they will help if you have genetics and the rest.They are no miracle drug.
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LMAO. Tell 'em Lee they must be thinking the Tommy Hilfiger line of gear. 10cc test $300. hgh kit $3000. lol
Oh you people make me laugh.You really have no idea.Yes i paid for mine last year and didnt go over 5,000.I have know idea on your figures.
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Yeah and here is the shocker a little works thats why i am amazed that all the amatures i meet take so much more then the pros i have talked to.More dosen't mean bigger people.Steriods don't equal size and a pro card.Look around your gym how many people do you know using them and look like crap?Yes they will help if you have genetics and the rest.They are no miracle drug.
Lee, you have like amazingly rare and incredible genetics that make you responds to small amounts. Most people, including some pros, have mediocre genetics and need to ingest loads to getbig. Some of us couldn't get biceps as big as you even even if we juiced to the gills :-\
You're right, we'd only get fat and puffy and look like shit :-\
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what ever happened to the good old days when you could get a bottle of Steris or Upjohn test for 30 bucks. :'(
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Oh you people make me laugh.You really have no idea.Yes i paid for mine last year and didnt go over 5,000.I have know idea on your figures.
..so why do the majority of the pro's complain about how much it 'costs them to compete, and I ain't talking bout pasta'? We all know your stance here on your lower than most dosages, but clearly you're the exception. Most pro's who are somewhat candid about their use go on at length about how even if they place top 3 at a show they come out at a loss due to the costs of competing (food, drugs, peripheral costs).
Just pointing that out. But if it's true that the average pro spends even 10 G's a year only on the drug aspect, then that's an amount even the smallest endorsement could cover.
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Well even if they would use twice the amount Lee uses, that would still only be 10k.
So where's the 20-50k figure coming from? That's TEN TIMES the amount Lee talks about.
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$80,000???? I see that number thrown around and it is a number someone came up with out of their ass. I know several people at my gym that take steroids at large amounts and look like fat blobs of crap for lack of a better term. Look at it this way:
1. If the biggest secret to getting huge and ripped was to take large amounts of steroids, then there would be a buttload of new pros everywhere.
2. Like it or not, their are plenty of insure and jealous people out their "especially in bodybuilding" that won't admit to themselves that they just don't have what it takes to put on a bunch of muscle and by human nature look for some way to justify why they can't get that big.
3. Pro cycles vary A LOT; some pros take a lot more than others.
As for Lee, ask yourself one question. Although I don't know him, I ask myself what would he gain with a lie? Maybe he enjoys annoying people. Maybe he knows some super secret stack that he could never disclose because if he did, everyone who took it would look like him so he give a super small dosage to throw people off. From what I have read and heard, I am sure that if he took 5 grams of test a week, he would say something like "I take 5 grams of test a week but you would be foolish to try this without the proper training and genetics." I mean, look at the members picture section on most steroid boards for gods sake. I see some of these cycles and then the few people brave enough to post their pics. Although I have seen some impressive shots, I have seen a lot more where I go WTF? I was bigger and look better than that when I was 20 and didn't even take protein shakes yet.
But I know that no matter how much you preach the truth, many will not believe and go into their "comfort zone" I guess if it makes you feel better to believe that $80,000 a year lie, then go ahead and believe it.
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Oh you people make me laugh.You really have no idea.Yes i paid for mine last year and didnt go over 5,000.I have know idea on your figures.
So what your saying is....
there's a lot of anal pentration going on in your neck of the neighborhood?
;D
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Depends what you're buying....pharmaceutical grade branded stuff tends to be expensive.
....i get mine from an underground dutch lab, own brand gear and cheap....even traditionally expensive gear like Primo is cheap if you're buying homemade.
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Oh you people make me laugh.You really have no idea.Yes i paid for mine last year and didnt go over 5,000.I have know idea on your figures.
Lee,
I have had a question I've been dying to pose directly to you. If one concentrates on non-test cycles, perhaps using tren/deca or eq/primo/winny, how would one prevent the natural crash that comes post cycle? Its my understanding that a basic PCT won't save the person who doesn't use at least a replacement dose of Test?
Thanks in advance
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Lee,
I have had a question I've been dying to pose directly to you. If one concentrates on non-test cycles, perhaps using tren/deca or eq/primo/winny, how would one prevent the natural crash that comes post cycle? Its my understanding that a basic PCT won't save the person who doesn't use at least a replacement dose of Test?
Thanks in advance
I don't know i am no doctor all i know is if the show is over i stop and that's it till next show time.I am off for 6 months at a time.Never loose size or strength.I have never had the mentality that some do that say OH I AM NOT TAKING ANYTHING SO I CAN'T GO HEAVY or shit like that.If you think like that you are set to fail from the start.
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The most I spent on one show was- $2000-00,( even then I felt like shit) and probibly spent around 6 to 10k for the whole year(max)
I know for a fact Priesty spends F@#k all cause he takes F@#k all, thats the gods honest truth guys, shit we had a big debate about increasing his F@#k all dosages by 10%, prehaps thats why lee has been competting for so long with no health issues (except the odd repettive strain injury)and thats why lee has probibly alot more to come !!!also lee dosent use when he is not competting!!!
But in saying that I know first hand of some guys who would easily spend $30k per annum on there gear, some guys take up to 16-18iu of GH per day (thats where there big expence comes in), I know mates whom take up to 30 halo testin per day prior to a show( against my advice)
Heres the kicker though , most amature guys that are just good but not quite good enough are probibly the worst users, some of the doseages these guys take when they come to me is out there, some are taking 2000mg of test a week, and in all honesty they look like crap and sickly, then there is the genetic equation to be factored into it !!!
I also know guys who spend probibly in the area of 10-20k per annum on gear just to look good at the gym and at dance parties ( go figure!!)
I personaly felt like crap when i tried to take larger doseages, so i never did, thats why i didnt spend that much, sure I could have dug deep and gone for it , but for what a failed liver , a dissolved kidney, why ???
Alot of guys in this game sell gear to cover there own use, so to keep there costs down, but then they become dealers and take the risk of paying a higher price, oh the merry go round of takeing the gear!!!
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Lee, you've posted on here many times about how little you take so why get so offended by these types if posts? We all know that you don't use test or GH and only use a little winstrol and Deca for shows. You've said it so much that I'm now a believer. Don't let these post get to you.
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I don't know i am no doctor all i know is if the show is over i stop and that's it till next show time.I am off for 6 months at a time.Never loose size or strength.I have never had the mentality that some do that say OH I AM NOT TAKING ANYTHING SO I CAN'T GO HEAVY or shit like that.If you think like that you are set to fail from the start.
No, Lee...you're better than a doctor because you've got real world experience, not info from a medical book whose publishing was financed by a pharmicutical company.
Do you suffer libido crashes? Do you shut down? I respect you immensely and look up to you. I hold what you've done, especially at this year's olympia in very high regard. I'm trying to pick your brain because the prevailing thought process out there is that test must be the base for every cycle. I'm no so sure about this...and your the best proof of it. Test gains in my opinion are the hardest to maintain. This is my motive for asking you.
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No, Lee...you're better than a doctor because you've got real world experience, not info from a medical book whose publishing was financed by a pharmicutical company.
Do you suffer libido crashes? Do you shut down? I respect you immensely and look up to you. I hold what you've done, especially at this year's olympia in very high regard. I'm trying to pick your brain because the prevailing thought process out there is that test must be the base for every cycle. I'm no so sure about this...and your the best proof of it. Test gains in my opinion are the hardest to maintain. This is my motive for asking you.
Basiclly your saying you want to wear a cape for him ??? I dont think Lee swings that way...comebackkid ::)
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Yeah and here is the shocker a little works thats why i am amazed that all the amatures i meet take so much more then the pros i have talked to.More dosen't mean bigger people.Steriods don't equal size and a pro card.Look around your gym how many people do you know using them and look like crap?Yes they will help if you have genetics and the rest.They are no miracle drug.
notice no response by the boy genius Mindspin ;)
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Oh you people make me laugh.You really have no idea.Yes i paid for mine last year and didnt go over 5,000.I have know idea on your figures.
What exactly did you take, if you care to share. :)
And for the idiots that continually attack Lee or show him disrespect for some reason:
He's a PRO - actually, he's a top 5 pro and he has one of the best physiques on the planet and he chooses to answer questions here and post with us. We should be thankful for that. The guy doesn't have to deal with answering any questions or commenting or spending any time here, but does because he wants to give something back to the body building community. Why not stop attacking him and calling him a liar and start accepting his answers?
He's the most consistent and open and honest pro on ANY of the message boards. Some pros will tell you the truth about a small area of thier life, others will lie about everytyhing. Lee has been open about his training, his personal life (Go pick up the latest issue of MD and read his section if you want a real glimpse into what an amazing man he's turned out to be) and his usage which he doesn't have to talk about AT ALL.
Lay off the attacks. Its useless, and wastes time. Why not just ask a question, then accept his answer?
Having said that - Lee, care to share what you did last year with that $5,000? :)
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No, Lee...you're better than a doctor because you've got real world experience, not info from a medical book whose publishing was financed by a pharmicutical company.
Do you suffer libido crashes? Do you shut down? I respect you immensely and look up to you. I hold what you've done, especially at this year's olympia in very high regard. I'm trying to pick your brain because the prevailing thought process out there is that test must be the base for every cycle. I'm no so sure about this...and your the best proof of it. Test gains in my opinion are the hardest to maintain. This is my motive for asking you.
What exactly are you asking? Do you think there is no HPTA crash when you do test vs purer anabolics or vice versa? ALL steroids shut you down.
Regarding test gains being harder to maintain: the more you gain the more you will lose post cycle. People say anavar or primo gains are easier to maintain. No shit! You didn't gain much in the first place so even if you lose 50% it's hardly noticeable.
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Lee priest should have been in the upcoming superman movie. Instead, they cast a weak homo for the role...lol what a shame
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Yeah and here is the shocker a little works thats why i am amazed that all the armatures i meet take so much more then the pros i have talked to.More dosen't mean bigger people.Steriods don't equal size and a pro card.Look around your gym how many people do you know using them and look like crap?Yes they will help if you have genetics and the rest.They are no miracle drug.
PLEASE read this over and over again, it's coming from someone who knows what he's talking about. All of our wishful thinking that "Being a Pro is 80% steroids" is B.S The top guys can probably get by on $6-$10k per year
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I'd let the Weider's gang rape me for $ 80,000 worth of gear. :-[
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Its shocking that Mr. Lee Creast would even put his two cents in on this topic seeing how he is so genetically gifted and does not have to take much gear to look like he does...if i were him i would try competing with no gear I'm sure he would do well cause his genetics are so super human...it would be pretty interresting to know just how much gear these pros really do use but we will never know thats just how it is...
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Stay off the sauce kids.
MOS
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Oh you people make me laugh.You really have no idea.Yes i paid for mine last year and didnt go over 5,000.I have know idea on your figures.
you r probably the exception to the rule..
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1.5 million dollars CASH!!!!!
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People think the Professionals take $20K worth of gear because:
A. Most dickweeds in the gym just suck.
B. They (the abovementioned) think there must be some sort of "secret" exercises.
C. They buy homemade and/or underdosed, or fake shit and wonder why they only gained 2lbs on 2gms/wk.
D. They get ripped off even when they do happen to find quality gear.
E. They train like pussies.
E. THEY DON"T EAT.
I would say the biggest expense aside from those that overindulge w/ GH is FOOD.
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People think the Professionals take $20K worth of gear because:
A. Most dickweeds in the gym just suck.
B. They (the abovementioned) think there must be some sort of "secret" exercises.
C. They buy homemade and/or underdosed, or fake shit and wonder why they only gained 2lbs on 2gms/wk.
D. They get ripped off even when they do happen to find quality gear.
E. They train like pussies.
E. THEY DON"T EAT.
I would say the biggest expense aside from those that overindulge w/ GH is FOOD.
exactly right.
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My take away from these observations, was that genetics played an undeniable role in determining top level success. You can be juiced to the gills and train/diet like Dorian, but if you are not a mesomorph with aesthetic lines who responds to minute dosages of gear, then you'll never reach the top of this "sport"...
Well said.
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Lee Priest is the man. I love his honesty, what other pro would tell you how much they spend on juice
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The elite are getting much of their stash for free, given to them by wannabies and schmoes who just want to be associated with the pros. Others, are paying a high price, but it comes in the form of rectal penetration. The rest, are paying dealers but often get a break since they are "pros". The cost comes to $20,000 - $60,000 per year.
demayo admitted in an interview tha tit cost him 15000 to do his first pro show
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I'm willing to bet that Lee could compete completley natural and still place in the top 3 at the AC.
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I'm willing to bet that Lee could compete completley natural and still place in the top 3 at the AC.
Then why can't he place top 3 when he's on??
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Then why can't he place top 3 when he's on??
:o
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Its cool a pro Like LEE comes and sheds some light to you tools..(Well, some of you).
Gear doesnt mean crap. If oyu dont have the genetics, youll die, or totally burn out and get nothing form them if your doing insane amounts..these top pros are there because of the fabulous affect a mediocre amount has with their training and dieting.
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Lee's a pro and a very good one. I don't know anything about steroids but this is like people who wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the face. I read that Arnold said he only juiced to not lose any mass when preparing for the contest. Before I didn't belive it. Now it seems possible. Arnold ate like a bottomless pit.
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No, Lee...you're better than a doctor because you've got real world experience, not info from a medical book whose publishing was financed by a pharmicutical company.
Do you suffer libido crashes? Do you shut down? I respect you immensely and look up to you. I hold what you've done, especially at this year's olympia in very high regard. I'm trying to pick your brain because the prevailing thought process out there is that test must be the base for every cycle. I'm no so sure about this...and your the best proof of it. Test gains in my opinion are the hardest to maintain. This is my motive for asking you.
Doctors do have real world experience. You sound like some know it all punk, but realize you don't know a damn thing.
As for the pros. We already established in another thread that 50% of their gains come from juice. If this wasn't the case, they wouldn't shrink down to normal size when they retire. But that's because of their diet right? LMAO.
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half the size? no way. anyway when they retire they let themselves go. what's the point of killing yourself in the gym and having a bodybuilder's diet if you're not going to compete any more? people get tired of doing the same thing for 20 years. schwarzenegger not only got off the juice but he stopped lifting. it's obviuos. he lifted for movies and then also once in a while too. Shawn Ray stopped lifting on purpose for a long time he says in not the same words that he has better things to do. if a pro got off juice but still trained as hard as he can and kept his diet he wouldn't lose as much muscle as people think. it's just common sense. when you retire you dont only retire from drugs you retire from all the other stuff too.
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If you don't think drugs are a HUGE factor - irregardless of what the pros tell you - you are blind to the truth my friend. Just look at the top naturals compared to the top pros to get an idea.
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but remember this... it's the talent pool too. more and more people take steroids so would-be great naturals aren't natural any more. so the top naturals aren't necesarily the best. also what i said about people retiring is true. let's take Yates. Sure he still works out but he probably doesn't follow a great diet and he probably misses workouts all the time because it doesn't matter any more.
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but remember this... it's the talent pool too. more and more people take steroids so would-be great naturals aren't natural any more. so the top naturals aren't necesarily the best. also what i said about people retiring is true. let's take Yates. Sure he still works out but he probably doesn't follow a great diet and he probably misses workouts all the time because it doesn't matter any more.
The genetic difference - and that's only if there is a significant difference - between naturals and pros - wouldn't be huge enough to constitute the tremendous difference in size.
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Almost all top naturals compete at a bodyweight of 190 - 220
Top IFBB pros compete at 240 - 270
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of course juice is the biggest factor between natural and not but a pro who gets off juice can still look good if he keeps training as if for competition but who ever does that?
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I have to agree that the biggest abusers I have met are the fringe amateurs that never seem to breakthrough to the pros. They get quite large but they have no shape...
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Are you still placing ads for guys to but-slam you while your wife watches? How's that working out ???
Considering you were the only one answering them, I decided to stop with the adds and just work out a weekly . . . Are we still on for Friday night?
And don't forget the cowboy hat ;)
Beef :-*