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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Uncle Junior on January 07, 2014, 04:34:29 AM
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Short answer. Yes 1/2 tab will help.
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Fix the Diet.
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You will be fine with 0.25 mg per day or 0.50mg EOD
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Excellent thank you.
One final question, supposing the above mentioned individual decides to continue with Growth Hormone Therapy at around anywhere between 4-7IU a day of script human grade GH, would the administration of half a tab of arimidex (while NOT taking testosterone) adversely interfere or downgrade this individuals IGF-1 levels.
since GH makes IGF-1 levels go up
and Arimidex makes IGF-1 levels go down.
Would this be an issue at 1/2 a tab of arimidex EOD?
Thanks
hmm, I am not sure on this one, I will email a friend of mine (a pro) and see was his take is on this, I remember him mentioning something along these lines, but I think he was saying the the gh alters the effects of the Adex, so that the Adex is less effective. Maybe someone else here has an input.
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Excellent thank you.
One final question, supposing the above mentioned individual decides to continue with Growth Hormone Therapy at around anywhere between 4-7IU a day of script human grade GH, would the administration of half a tab of arimidex (while NOT taking testosterone) adversely interfere or downgrade this individuals IGF-1 levels.
since GH makes IGF-1 levels go up
and Arimidex makes IGF-1 levels go down.
Would this be an issue at 1/2 a tab of arimidex EOD?
Thanks
Damn dude. I saw you on the thread about the offseason myth.
You think waaaaay too much about D, E, F, and G without learning the A's, B's, and C's first.
I'm not trying to criticize you but the veteran posters on that thread have you pegged to a T.
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adex is for when you want get rid of the very last fats.ie 5% and lower.
it shouldnt be used to get away with worse foods, bc it WILL make your cholesterol go bad even on clean diet.
the other use is when one runs very high amounts of estrogen convertibles.
itds just for the last polish.imo.
it def weakens the effect of gear when used too long.
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Even clomifine citrate can be used as a good anti-e.
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Even clomifine citrate can be used as a good anti-e.
Clomid would most likely make his estrogen higher so it would not be a good choice.. If you look at all these guys doing clomid therapy they are also running into high estrogen and need to take arimidex with it..I too am currently using clomid therapy and it has raised my test to the complete top of the range in 6 weeks but also has raised my estrogen a bit
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Clomid would most likely make his estrogen higher so it would not be a good choice.. If you look at all these guys doing clomid therapy they are also running into high estrogen and need to take arimidex with it..I too am currently using clomid therapy and it has raised my test to the complete top of the range in 6 weeks but also has raised my estrogen a bit
Wait...clomid actually does what all of these bullshit "testosterone boosters" claim to do?
Next you'll tell me that Alex23 is GH15 ::)
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Wait...clomid actually does what all of these bullshit "testosterone boosters" claim to do?
Next you'll tell me that Alex23 is GH15 ::)
There is plenty of studies to prove that it boosts testosterone and maintains fertility which is why I'm taking it...it's especially good for guys with secondary hypogonadism... Actually a lot of guys are doing it these days.. I'm curious to see how high my levels will stick when I actually discontinue it..there are a bunch of guys who have been putting their results up on other forums if you do a search
http://www.ergo-log.com/clomid-testosterone.html
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I am so fucking confused about everything.
I have a doctor who will give me what ever I want on script.
Here is the way I see it.
If I take test my hair will start falling out and my estrogen will go up so I have to take finsteride (propecia) + arimidex to control that even though finsteride will make estrogen go up too.
Now the arimidex will make my IGF-1 levels down and may conteract my GH which is supposed to make my IGF-1 go up.
Now the GH will make my blood sugar go up so I have to take metformin for that and the GH will make my thyroid go down which mean I have to take T4 on top.
Now with the test prop I can't cycle more than 8 weeks without having to come off for 8 weeks cos my natty test levels might not recover and then I have to shoot HCG + take Nolva and Clomid for PCT.
Fuck my life this shit is so complicated.
So it this proposed first cycle ok:
100 mg Test Prop EOD
1/2 arimidex tab EOD
4-6 IU GH ED
100mcg T4 ED
1mg Propecia (finasteride) every day for hairloss
3 x 500 Metformin tabs to control blood sugard
GH + T4 to be run all the time year around + metformin
Test Prop to be run for 8 weeks on 8 weeks off.
after I come off 8 weeks of test prop I should run HCG + Nolva + clomid.
now do I need to take anything for possible acne on the test?
Have I finally got it right and is above fine or overkill?
everything you wrote sounds logical but you are over thinking everything. I take nothing to counter act any side, I simply take my dosages and live with it as long as it does not get out of hand or effect my health.
I mean if it is bearable why bother making things complicated. If you counter everything at the same time it will be overkill and willsimply make matters worse.
keep it simple, I do believe in PCT but I keep it simple, do your cycle, then when done do some PCT to fast forward the process. I think people who use compounds that give water retention and then to only counter it with an ancillary is silly, just use compounds that minimize the water retention so you do not have to use the ancillary to combat the water, keep-it simple.
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everything you wrote sounds logical but you are over thinking everything. I take nothing to counter act any side, I simply take my dosages and live with it as long as it does not get out of hand or effect my health.
I mean if it is bearable why bother making things complicated. If you counter everything at the same time it will be overkill and willsimply make matters worse.
keep it simple, I do believe in PCT but I keep it simple, do your cycle, then when done do some PCT to fast forward the process. I think people who use compounds that give water retention and then to only counter it with an ancillary is silly, just use compounds that minimize the water retention so you do not have to use the ancillary to combat the water, keep-it simple.
Agreed..
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Steroids don't play by 'your' rules.
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Don't play then.
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Steroids don't play by 'your' rules.
yeah they do stuff randomly.
no pct gonna fit everyone.
etcetc.
theres few rules that will apply to everyone, for example adex will kill off estrogen very harshly but thats about it.
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Gal bro if my hair starts falling off from the test will it come back if I stop the test or is it gone forever? That's why i think its better if I take the GH and propecia to be on the safe side no?
going bald is NOT an option
Once you start shedding hair it's over man.
I have MPB in my family and I have a very slight receeding hair line. My brother is about 50% bald and has never used AAS, but i've used shitloads.
It's a crapshoot man, but once you lose it, you will not grow it back.
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OK if you had a straight choice between test prop & deca, lets imagine those were the only two compounds available in the world for one second which one would you choose IF:
1) Your goal was to look like a phsique type model, you weren't overtly concerned with having enormous amounts of muscle mass but just wanted to be above avearge shape for a gym rat with less than 10% BF
2) You didn't want to lose any hair or get acne or any unwanted side effects etc.
which one would you choose?
Would your cock have to work?
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OK if you had a straight choice between test prop & deca, lets imagine those were the only two compounds available in the world for one second which one would you choose IF:
1) Your goal was to look like a phsique type model, you weren't overtly concerned with having enormous amounts of muscle mass but just wanted to be above avearge shape for a gym rat with less than 10% BF
2) You didn't want to lose any hair or get acne or any unwanted side effects etc.
which one would you choose?
Test all the way. Keep it at a low dose and you will be fine.
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OK if you had a straight choice between test prop & deca, lets imagine those were the only two compounds available in the world for one second which one would you choose IF:
1) Your goal was to look like a phsique type model, you weren't overtly concerned with having enormous amounts of muscle mass but just wanted to be above avearge shape for a gym rat with less than 10% BF
2) You didn't want to lose any hair or get acne or any unwanted side effects etc.
which one would you choose?
bro, it is not wise to do any compound that is not test without test. So test alone or test with...
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Bro will deca make me drier than test?
no but deca will shut down your test levels and without any test in your body say hello to all kinds of problems, wise to always keep test in there when using another compound. If you are after dryness, NPP is what you replace deca with, way less water retention
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OK here are my two proposed cycle. I can only get Test Prop and Deca & GH (but I ain't doing GH no more cos it was waste of money)
Ok here goes: Which one should I do?
Option 1:
Verimon Test Prop 100 EOD (400 a week)
1 tab arimidex EOD
Propecia 1mg a day
Option 2:
Verimon Test Prop 250 a week
Deca: 250 a week
1 tab arimidex EOD
Both cycles to be run for 8 to 12 weeks followed by 8-12 weeks PCT (Nolva + Clomid + HCG)
Now here is the important thing:
I DONT WANT TO GAIN ANY FUCKING WEIGHT, I'LL BE PISSED IF I GO OVER 180LBS.
I will be dieting on 1300-1500 calories, very low carb, I just want to come dry and shredded while not looking anorexic.
Is above ok.
Thanks
I don't think you're getting shredded on either cycle. You can look decent compared to people in a grocery store. But don't expect anything astonishing.
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Is that you in the pics?
Just try 250 mg of test for the first month w propecia.
Then if feel you good bump it to 400mg by week 5.
Very simple and very easy.
If what you say is true. Then the test will prevent you from losing muscle while being able to lose fat. Period
Side note- the moment you used GH is when you popped your natty cherry.
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bro, it is not wise to do any compound that is not test without test. So test alone or test with...
I agree.. I have always felt like complete shit the few times I tried using no test.. My mgs of test need to be higher than everything else otherwise my libido crashes..
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More drugs than your willing to take.
Plus. That's not a realistic build for 95% of the population. Dude might be on a lot of drugs he wouldn't cop to but he is genetically gifted no doubt.
You have a very good base. Just lose fat. Test alone will help you do that with the diet you outlined.
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Bro first off THANK YOU so much for answering these questions totally appreciate and I promise after this I ain't gonna bug you.
Here is the situation.
I have an appointment with my "specialist endo" this guy is hard to get an appointment with but will write me script for whatever I want no questions asked.
The problem is here in the UK you can only get the following products human grade via script from a legit high street pharmacy and I ain't got time and patience to play the underground game.
I can only get as follows:
Genotropin GH
Verimon Test Prop
Deca
Nebido (some shit you inject once every 3-4 months)
...also all the PCT stuff I can get like nolva, arimidex, hcg, clomid etc
Now based on above what would you have me do, what doses etc.
Now here are my rules and objectives:
1) Look like a phsique model. I just wanted to look shredded and well proportioned I don't care about being a mass monster etc
2) MY HAIR CANNOT FALLOUT (I have propecia at hand, no family history of MPB and me and my whole family actually have really thick bushy hair)
Below is pic of kinda where I am at right now which is pretty fat (I think maybe 15% ish)
3) AM I too fat to be doing steroids?
Never done any cycles in my life, total noob and natty. Just did 45 days of GH which I stopped cos it did nothing for me and was too expensive anyway.
I REALLY DONT WANNA GET TO BIG and I DONT WANNA GO OVER 180LBS ( I do lots of sports, mma and cardio, need to stay light)
Thanks bro, cos I really want to get this nailed down for Monday.
First, do not stop asking questions, this is the beauty of getbig, we don't judge and respect all levels and besides others read too, so more questions the better.
before I answer your main question, I have to say this; you need to watch your diet. Compounds do not get you ripped, dieting does. So stick to these foods and watch your carbs,keep them low
Egg whites
Chicken breast
lean Turkey
Cod
Haddock
Salmon
Tuna
Talipia
Shrimp
Liver
Protein shake ( find one with less then 4 grams of carbs per serving)
Now the following protein sources are kept to once a day;
Lean steak
Lean ground beef
Lean roast beef
Veal
Here are your vegetable source;
Asparagus
Broccoli/purple sprouting broccoli
Cabbage
Cucumber
Onion
Spinach
Romaine lettuce
Tomatoes
Green Peppers
As for your question, keep things as simple as possible, its your first time out so stick to one compound test prop at 100mg EOD and no ancillaries or AI's or nothing, Basics is key to the least amount of side effects. You do not need anything other then test prop for your first time out.
follow these types of food with 150 grams of carbs per day and the prop and you will be lean and dry in no time.
as for the your next question of being to fat to do steroids, whoever is spewing that HS is an imbecile. Now there are certain compounds you should never take if you are over weight such as winstrol or anavar or even a few others.
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I don't believe in this genetic gifted bullshit but I ain't no expert. For me the only thing that genetics affects is how tall you are and your bone structure, but forget this argument for now.
Give me your best shot as to what drugs to take to look like above.
Even something like this is fine.
Hold on man. You are definitely just a troll and I'm positive of it now.
In the offseason thread when you were getting golden advice from people who seemed to actually care. All you kept saying was how your genetics just wouldn't allow for this this and that (basically just rebuffing anything that anybody had to offer). And I can promise you it wasn't in relation to height or bone structure..
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Ahh man, thank you so much once again, you are one seriously awesome guy onetimehard, that's why I came on Getbig in the first place cos I was looking up info about steroids cos I got so sick and disappointed about being natty. Thank you man means alot to me.
Ok awesome, I am gonna do exactly what you say, I am gonna diet real hard, low carb's keto style and do test prop only at 100 EOD.
Are you sure I don't need and AI like Arimidex? My current E2 levels are 109 nmol/l, the reference range is 50 to 150 nmol/l
would it not be prudent just to take say 1/2 tab dex EOD with the prop?
Also I wanna add propecia at 1mg a day only just to be safe ( think I am worry too much about the hairloss cos I have really thick hair anyway but still)
I am gonna go on from Tuesday (doctors appointment is on Monday) and I will do transformation thread with progress pictures.
Thanks once again for all your help brother.
Peace
with the hair thing that is fine, take proper measures but for adex, I would hold on to that thought for now, start without for 2 weeks and see how things are from there, you can always throw it in if you need to later, My guess is you won't be needing it at this dose
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Thanks Onetimehard, decision has been made and I am going on from Tuesday exactly like you said.
Will keep the dex on hand in case I need it but won't take it from the off like you said.
Cheers
Perfect