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If using a lot of deca is it better to use nolva or arimidex?
I remember reading William levellyn and he said nolva cause it blocks the receptor
He didn't like arimidex cause it blocked aromatase and much of deca isn't converted to estrogen..
Any thoughts?
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If using a lot of deca is it better to use nolva or arimidex?
I remember reading William levellyn and he said nolva cause it blocks the receptor
He didn't like arimidex cause it blocked aromatase and much of deca isn't converted to estrogen..
Any thoughts?
Google what type of ai should be used with nandrolone.
Hope this helps
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Google what type of ai should be used with nandrolone.
Hope this helps
It does not help, thanks!
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Arimidex and Nolva work totally different in reducing estrogen. Arimidex is an aromatise inhibitor therefore effictively killing or substantially reducing the aromoatize enzyme and its difficult to dose it correctly and you can easily crash your E2 on it.
Nolve is a SARM which competes for the same pathways but doesn't totally kill of your estrogen and is far less harsher than Arimidex.
Since deca is not known for its aromatising qualities like test I would run Nolva in your case, however Nolva can cause blood clots.
Also the Arimidex will make you alot drier but will also give you alot of bone pain but guessing since u taking deca that shouldn't be a big problem.
...by the way I have never juiced in my life so I am not a fucking authority or nothing, just regurgitating shit I have read.....just saying.
I love you being honest....lol
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Here's the deal, I'm 35 and on low doses,,, 350 deca and 150 test ( it just works great for me, been doing this cycle for years with no issues).
I have a little gyno... Think it's low enough where I don't need anything?
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I'm just regurgitating shit too, but there's a myth that nolva should be avoided with 19-nors cause it makes gyno worse. Don't know how much truth there is to it but if the gyno is is due to prolactin nolva or adex won't help with it (that I'm not regurgitating).
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I'm just regurgitating shit too, but there's a myth that nolva should be avoided with 19-nors cause it makes gyno worse. Don't know how much truth there is to it but if the gyno is is due to prolactin nolva or adex won't help with it (that I'm not regurgitating).
William levellyn says that whole prolactin bit is overhyped, he says it really is never an issue...
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William levellyn says that whole prolactin bit is overhyped, he says it really is never an issue...
lol yeah people say a lot of things.
When you try to get rid of gyno with adex, letro and only results in achy joints than maybe willian evelyn can tell me what the problem is.
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It does not help, thanks!
That will answer your question homo
Hope that helps
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Fa.g.got is censored but homo is not? They the same damn thang
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the prolactine is very real duh.
adex is no good for deca use.
simple as that.
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the prolactine is very real duh.
adex is no good for deca use.
simple as that.
What's good then?
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What's good then?
stoping the deca.
or that caber stuff.
adex will only be a waste of money and unnecesary joint and muscle pains and feeling terrible.
when ppl say letro adex gonna fix all gyno you know they have no idea what they talking about.a real gyno wil not be fixable by anything cept operation.
but serious, go off the deca, dont use prolactine causing peds, if youre prone to those sides,one day something will go wrong, youll go off one day and then boom, bitch tits and all the work.
why would you stay on something when you know it causes the problems.
find a ped you can run long term without such sides.
deca and tren simply arent for some ppl, these ppl will do better with things like test.
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Use Nova. Add caber at .5 mg every third day if you have any issues. If you plan to stop and PCT, use caber there too.
your doses just too low. 350mg/week is not a lot, 350mg e.O.d.is
Again, as gal said, each one reacts different.
What was the problem again? Gyno? Prolactin??
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Arimidex and Nolva work totally different in reducing estrogen. Arimidex is an aromatise inhibitor therefore effictively killing or substantially reducing the aromoatize enzyme and its difficult to dose it correctly and you can easily crash your E2 on it.
Nolve is a SARM which competes for the same pathways but doesn't totally kill of your estrogen and is far less harsher than Arimidex.
Since deca is not known for its aromatising qualities like test I would run Nolva in your case, however Nolva can cause blood clots.
Also the Arimidex will make you alot drier but will also give you alot of bone pain but guessing since u taking deca that shouldn't be a big problem.
...by the way I have never juiced in my life so I am not a fucking authority or nothing, just regurgitating shit I have read.....just saying.
holy shit dude,lol,you did a good job .
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on the doses you're using, I really wouldn't bother using anything for gyno.
but, since you already have gyno, I'd say try starting with 10mg/day with the nolva and see if it improves.
I've known a lady who started nolva at 10mg/day as part of the first phase in breast cancer prevention/treatment (she didn't have breast cancer, yet, but she had the gene and her sisters/mother/aunts died from it.. it was a preventative measure before her double mastectomy)
she started with watermelon tits, mayne a lil smaller... after a couple months, her tits were down to large grapefruits.. allllllll with 10mg/day nolva. she was pre-menopausal, so no arimidex.
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adex prevents test from coverting to estro so reduces build up,
nolva blocks it at the breast receptor but doesnt prevent excess build up.
nolva was thought to upregulate progesterone receptors in studies so people said avoid using it with 19 nors.
but that study was on women and only upregulated receptors in the uterus.
if you have naturally high estro then gyno maybe a risk with deca, ive used deca alone at over 1.2g and never had any issues.
aromasin at small doses or proviron i would use personally. maybe mast
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on the doses you're using, I really wouldn't bother using anything for gyno.
but, since you already have gyno, I'd say try starting with 10mg/day with the nolva and see if it improves.
I've known a lady who started nolva at 10mg/day as part of the first phase in breast cancer prevention/treatment (she didn't have breast cancer, yet, but she had the gene and her sisters/mother/aunts died from it.. it was a preventative measure before her double mastectomy)
she started with watermelon tits, mayne a lil smaller... after a couple months, her tits were down to large grapefruits.. allllllll with 10mg/day nolva. she was pre-menopausal, so no arimidex.
nolva won't reduce gyno... lol
gyno is breast tissue, stopping estrogen doesn't magically make tissue disappear
ur exampl was simply fat redistributing through lesser estrogen
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nolva won't reduce gyno... lol
gyno is breast tissue, stopping estrogen doesn't magically make tissue disappear
ur exampl was simply fat redistributing through lesser estrogen
you're contradicting yourself.
are her tits fat? or are her tits breast tissue?
and how do you know what HIS gyno is? breast tissue or fat?
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you're contradicting yourself.
are her tits fat? or are her tits breast tissue?
and how do you know what HIS gyno is? breast tissue or fat?
Do you know what gyno is?
Is it fat? or is it breast tissue?
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adex prevents test from coverting to estro so reduces build up,
nolva blocks it at the breast receptor but doesnt prevent excess build up.
nolva was thought to upregulate progesterone receptors in studies so people said avoid using it with 19 nors.
but that study was on women and only upregulated receptors in the uterus.
if you have naturally high estro then gyno maybe a risk with deca, ive used deca alone at over 1.2g and never had any issues.
aromasin at small doses or proviron i would use personally. maybe mast
oh....that's where that myth comes from I had no clue.
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nono, nolva is good for gyno, but not so good for estrogen sides.
gyno is strictly speaking neither fat nor breast tissue,its like a tumour from the gland.
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Nolvadex works great for deca-based gyno, don't believe the broscience.
And this is from personal experience. 10-20mg will fix you up
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cabergoline and pramipexole to reduce prolactin. Pramipexole has a lot of sides though.
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Nolvadex works great for deca-based gyno, don't believe the broscience.
And this is from personal experience. 10-20mg will fix you up
yah, nolvadex helps for all gynos period.
its just not the best anti estrogen.
adex dont help with deca and tren gyno,though.
thats the summary
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yah, nolvadex helps for all gynos period.
its just not the best anti estrogen.
adex dont help with deca and tren gyno,though.
thats the summary
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Folks that use cabergoline/pramiprexole for "prolactin" sides ( ::) ) are in for nasty side effects IMO.....stick to the mild stuff. Nolvadex for gyno, aromasin (or less ideally arimidex) to keep estrogen in range. The AI's are no good long term either, IMO.
Best long term solution is to use a dosage that doesn't necessitate you needing ancillary compounds. For some, that could be grams and grams of gear. For me, it's not much :( Gotta make up the difference with diet
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Folks that use cabergoline/pramiprexole for "prolactin" sides ( ::) ) are in for nasty side effects IMO.....stick to the mild stuff. Nolvadex for gyno, aromasin (or less ideally arimidex) to keep estrogen in range. The AI's are no good long term either, IMO.
Best long term solution is to use a dosage that doesn't necessitate you needing ancillary compounds. For some, that could be grams and grams of gear. For me, it's not much :( Gotta make up the difference with diet
I hated having to resort to cabergoline while using deca, but its the only thing that would stop my nipples from leaking. :-\
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I hated having to resort to cabergoline while using deca, but its the only thing that would stop my nipples from leaking. :-\
How much deca? What else were you taking? Did you try nolva or an AI?
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How much deca? What else were you taking? Did you try nolva or an AI?
First time I used deca at 450mg by itself, I noticed a discharge about the 8th week into the cycle. I had some nolva lying around so figured what the hell...tried it for a week, nothing happened, read online it could make it worse so I got paranoid and just stopped. Maybe had I kept using the stuff it would've helped ??? ...not sure but do yourselves a favor and try it and see if it helps.
Last time I used npp I gradually worked my way up to about 700 a week with about 100mg of test. Somewhere mid cycle I started getting that weird sensation in my nipples again...it feels different than anything I've felt from dbol or test. So I squeeze my nipple and I get a fluid coming out again lol. I tried adex first, and than letro...nothing but achy joints.
That caber shit is expensive, I didn't wanna use it but immediately felt some relief in the sensation and the discharge. I like deca for the look, strength, and its safe on hair so I was willing to put up with any other side effect but man is it a weird drug.
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I'm gonna just get that shit cut out then I don't need nolva, letro, caber and all that shit!
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I'm gonna just get that shit cut out then I don't need nolva, letro, caber and all that shit!
that is what I did 6 years ago and do not need anything for now on. ;)