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Title: Online or local sources?
Post by: Wolfox on January 14, 2014, 10:01:27 PM
Just curious what most of you use.



Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: Quickerblade on January 15, 2014, 12:33:41 AM
just go to the gym, someone there should help.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: ESFitness on January 15, 2014, 04:15:31 AM
when you buy local, preferably from a guy who makes their own, you can always go back to him if something is bunk.. or dirty... or underdosed. ect...



Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: ESFitness on January 15, 2014, 04:16:35 AM
try doing that with most online ugls and you'll likely get a response of "so what? everybody else likes it" or a general "tough shit".


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: phreak on January 15, 2014, 04:18:29 AM
I use online only. Bigger selection, better prices, no pushing of other drugs.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: _aj_ on January 15, 2014, 04:36:29 AM
There are some well-respected online sources. That said, I would love a local source with good stuff. Almost don't care about price. Just isn't in the cards for me.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: whitewidow on January 15, 2014, 04:40:03 AM
try doing that with most online ugls and you'll likely get a response of "so what? everybody else likes it" or a general "tough shit".

most sources do exactly this, but their are a few sources who will send you a fresh btach of product and also throw in extras for the trouble. I have had a real famous UGL source send me some horribly painfull Test E and he ended up sending me some out of his new btach and also sent me around 900$ in extras! most consider him the top source in the game. Not alot of spources will give you that kind of service though.Another time he sent me a vial of masteron wich was only 8ml and he did admit he does make some vials at 8ml to send out as samples and I must of accidently got one of those and he did ended up sending me the same exact order again for free! pluss he tossed me a few extra vials so I got about 1,000$ of free product at my cost. I would only order gear like Tren esters,Masteron and EQ from this source and it was all like 25mg overdosed. Like I said i did get one real bad batch of Test E from the guy but it usually worked real well.

I have also had other sources send me crashed gear and they made right on it but I never got anything extra except he gave me a more expensive product as a replacement. I have gotten real good service from UGL's when they have sent something not up to par or somehow sent me something other then I ordered , but I have seen and have heard of alot of people who have been treated pretty bad by UGL's, especially if you have no status on the board,it seems the higher status you have the more the source will go out of their way wich is not really that fair.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on January 15, 2014, 06:29:57 AM
You'll usually pay 2-3x as much for gear you buy locally...a bottle of test will go for $30-40 from a good online source, but you'll pay around $70-100 in a gym around here.

Yeah, there's a guy you can go to if the gear sucks, but any ugl worth their salt will replace an order without a second thought


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2014, 06:34:16 AM
I use online only. Bigger selection, better prices, no pushing of other drugs.
this^^^ also what WW said, I have had similar experiences to his with generous ''make it right'' type attitudes online.

Some key points to consider,
1. do not take a single person's word for it on online sources, do your own research and look for reviews on both products and source and 10 reviews means shit, we are talking 100's of them, don't be lazy.

2. rep is everything

3. never use your own address, come on guys be safe, should be common sense.

Now when you buy locally there are less things to worry about and chance are you will pay more but it is convenient and ideal and probably less hassles, so both have there advantages.

either way you still have to take precaution.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: Overload on January 15, 2014, 07:34:05 AM
I agree with OTH.

My first few purchases were in person and then i got in touch with some good online sources.  Once you do some research and find a legit online source you don't have to worry much anymore.  I've been using the same guy for over 3 years for all my AAS.

Don't always trust what people tell you about online sources, there are a lot of sources that suck who many people vouch for.  The best sources i have used were private and you never heard people mention them on any of the open source boards.


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Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: f450 on January 15, 2014, 07:57:26 AM
this^^^ also what WW said, I have had similar experiences to his with generous ''make it right'' type attitudes online.

Some key points to consider,
1. do not take a single person's word for it on online sources, do your own research and look for reviews on both products and source and 10 reviews means shit, we are talking 100's of them, don't be lazy.

2. rep is everything

3. never use your own address, come on guys be safe, should be common sense.

Now when you buy locally there are less things to worry about and chance are you will pay more but it is convenient and ideal and probably less hassles, so both have there advantages.

either way you still have to take precaution.

so you use a p.o. box, or a friends address? I mean theresa fine line between being safe and putting your friends ass on the line right ? ;D


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2014, 08:09:22 AM
so you use a p.o. box, or a friends address? I mean theresa fine line between being safe and putting your friends ass on the line right ? ;D
That is not what I meant, wooooooooooooooosh  ;)  ;D

I guarantee 95 out of 100 people that order still have bottles at their house when they order right? So how would like to put your home address then get your package seized and then all of a sudden (unlikely but possibly) their is a search warrant for your house where you still have some vials in your cupboards, ahhh NOT THAT SMART IS IT 

At least when you use someone's else's address they can play dumb and say ''I have no idea what that is, I want nothing to do with it'' and nothing happens, no risk no problems.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: OTHstrong on January 15, 2014, 08:16:23 AM
I agree with OTH.

My first few purchases were in person and then i got in touch with some good online sources.  Once you do some research and find a legit online source you don't have to worry much anymore.  I've been using the same guy for over 3 years for all my AAS.

Don't always trust what people tell you about online sources, there are a lot of sources that suck who many people vouch for.  The best sources i have used were private and you never heard people mention them on any of the open source boards.


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yup, people vouch for sources when there is something in it for them so a handful of vouches is not enough IMO.

Funny you mentioned at first you went to local sources,I still remember the very first time I bought juice from a local guy and I paid 100 dollars for a bottle of test e and 130 for a bottle of deca, lmao  ;D



Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: dustin on January 15, 2014, 08:36:36 AM
Both have their pros and cons. I used to order around 6 months worth at a time from online sources. But sending multiple money orders and dealing with fresh addresses and deliveries was such a headache. I'd normally pay close to nothing because of how tight I'd get with sources though, and when you have good rapport you'll find extra vials and samples of orals in there all the time. Build a good relationship with your source whether it's in person or online.

I normally don't buy things in person because the selection is usually a bit more limited, and because they've already gone through the trouble of brewing or acquiring their stash you can usually expect a mark up. But if you find a good, honest source in real life sometimes it's worth the extra expense. Sometimes you might just want an extra vial or two and putting in an online order is out of the question. I thankfully have a great local source who always throws me extra vials even if I'm just grabbing one or two items. When my daughter was born he said she was so cute that I had to get bigger and uglier to scare away the boys, so he gave me 6 vials of test and 6 vials of tren. 8)

Always make sure to be a positive and delightful customer. Even if you get poor gear, approach the issue professionally and don't be a fucking whiner. Juicers are the worst recreational drug users in the world. No one's a bigger pussy than a juice pig who's crying because they suspect their gear is bunk. Sometimes there are problems, but sometimes juicers exaggerate and are big drama queens. I've found that as long as you approach and business problems with courtesy and respect, you won't have any problems. I've had a few shitty vials and because I approached it professionally, I was always reimbursed. I usually get an extra few vials for not being a douche about it. Some sources really do care about the quality of their gear, their reputation, and keeping their customers happy. The reason why I've never had huge issues is because if I feel a source is sketchy, I'll simply take my business elsewhere. If someone's a sketch, don't stick around with your business. Pack it up and go to someone else who's going to be more serious whether it's 2 vials or 20 vials.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: phreak on January 15, 2014, 10:00:55 AM
Both have their pros and cons. I used to order around 6 months worth at a time from online sources. But sending multiple money orders and dealing with fresh addresses and deliveries was such a headache. I'd normally pay close to nothing because of how tight I'd get with sources though, and when you have good rapport you'll find extra vials and samples of orals in there all the time. Build a good relationship with your source whether it's in person or online.

I normally don't buy things in person because the selection is usually a bit more limited, and because they've already gone through the trouble of brewing or acquiring their stash you can usually expect a mark up. But if you find a good, honest source in real life sometimes it's worth the extra expense. Sometimes you might just want an extra vial or two and putting in an online order is out of the question. I thankfully have a great local source who always throws me extra vials even if I'm just grabbing one or two items. When my daughter was born he said she was so cute that I had to get bigger and uglier to scare away the boys, so he gave me 6 vials of test and 6 vials of tren. 8)

Always make sure to be a positive and delightful customer. Even if you get poor gear, approach the issue professionally and don't be a fucking whiner. Juicers are the worst recreational drug users in the world. No one's a bigger pussy than a juice pig who's crying because they suspect their gear is bunk. Sometimes there are problems, but sometimes juicers exaggerate and are big drama queens. I've found that as long as you approach and business problems with courtesy and respect, you won't have any problems. I've had a few shitty vials and because I approached it professionally, I was always reimbursed. I usually get an extra few vials for not being a douche about it. Some sources really do care about the quality of their gear, their reputation, and keeping their customers happy. The reason why I've never had huge issues is because if I feel a source is sketchy, I'll simply take my business elsewhere. If someone's a sketch, don't stick around with your business. Pack it up and go to someone else who's going to be more serious whether it's 2 vials or 20 vials.

Agreed. In this digital age the online dealers have a name to lose, and it can be lost almost instantly. Badmouthing your local source is difficult to do, and might result in slashed tires or worse.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: spiro on January 15, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
All my years in the gym I never met a dealer.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: Overload on January 15, 2014, 11:37:29 AM
yup, people vouch for sources when there is something in it for them so a handful of vouches is not enough IMO.

Funny you mentioned at first you went to local sources,I still remember the very first time I bought juice from a local guy and I paid 100 dollars for a bottle of test e and 130 for a bottle of deca, lmao  ;D



Haha, i believe i paid $120 for like 100 20mg Dbols that were some UGL out of New Mexico.  Then i bought some Sust 10ml vials for around $70 each i think, i remember buying 3 of them and then a few more the next month.  Those were the first items i purchased and also some Var, but i don't remember the price.

The guy had HG amps, i think they were Testoviron and they were like $18 each; he had some connections in Europe and had been doing it a long time.  He was a well known guy who a lot of the power lifters i trained with back in the day knew.  He had his own "supplement" shop and dealt all of his gear out of there with his brother.  Guy was really cool and would never rip you off, but he was really hot and people knew the deal with him, so i stopped going to him after a few months.  I'm not sure what happen to him, but i remember his BMW was always seen out front and that's how you knew he was open.  That place closed down 5-6 years ago, so who knows what happen.

Thankfully, a really close friend of mine already knew the deal with the online industry and showed me the ropes.  The rest is history. ;D


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Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: Marlo Stanfield on January 15, 2014, 12:12:45 PM
I think it all comes down to the old adage of "Know thy source" , whether it be online or in person.

Buying in person
Pros:

  • Faster access

  • dont get flagged sending money orders
  • not giving your own address and finding
Cons:
  • more expensive

  • get caught red handed, there is no playing dumb when you get busted reciving vials from some dude
  • if your source gets busted, they will easily rat out people they deal with in person

Buying Online

Pros:
  • Cheaper
  • More selection
  • Better Deals (usually)

  • can play dumb if package gets siezed to your house (unless your being watched for  while to show pattern of delivery of amounts of gear)

Cons:
  • leaving a digital trace
  • coming up with fresh addressess
  • making sure names or aliases you use for money transfer dont get flagged


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: _aj_ on January 15, 2014, 12:26:24 PM

making sure names or aliases you use for money transfer dont get flagged[/li][/list]


All of the in-store Western Union kiosks don't give a shit about your real name. They don't look at licenses. Just give them any old name.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: Marlo Stanfield on January 15, 2014, 12:28:22 PM
All of the in-store Western Union kiosks don't give a shit about your real name. They don't look at licenses. Just give them any old name.

Depends on the amount you're sending...


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: _aj_ on January 15, 2014, 07:12:16 PM
Depends on the amount you're sending...

True, I've been < $1000.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: ESFitness on January 15, 2014, 10:16:26 PM
I think it all comes down to the old adage of "Know thy source" , whether it be online or in person.

Buying in person
Pros:

  • Faster access

  • dont get flagged sending money orders
  • not giving your own address and finding
Cons:
  • more expensive

  • get caught red handed, there is no playing dumb when you get busted reciving vials from some dude
  • if your source gets busted, they will easily rat out people they deal with in person

Buying Online

Pros:
  • Cheaper
  • More selection
  • Better Deals (usually)

  • can play dumb if package gets siezed to your house (unless your being watched for  while to show pattern of delivery of amounts of gear)

Cons:
  • leaving a digital trace
  • coming up with fresh addressess
  • making sure names or aliases you use for money transfer dont get flagged

you dont' get arrested buying from a guy. it's the other way around. you get arrested selling, not buying.

if a source gets busted, the cops don't give two shits about who his customers were. they only care about who HIS supplier is.













Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: Oly15 on January 16, 2014, 03:42:12 AM
All of the in-store Western Union kiosks don't give a shit about your real name. They don't look at licenses. Just give them any old name.

If something goes wrong with the source and you need to get your money back and they ask for your license...then what?


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: _aj_ on January 16, 2014, 03:53:57 AM
If something goes wrong with the source and you need to get your money back and they ask for your license...then what?

LOL @ "getting money back"

If something goes wrong, it's gone. This ain't amazon.com.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on January 16, 2014, 08:13:07 AM
LOL @ "getting money back"

If something goes wrong, it's gone. This ain't amazon.com.

Hey, it's happened to me...I sent it to the wrong receiver and was able to get my money back.  Just say you're sending a charitable donation


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: OTHstrong on January 17, 2014, 04:34:15 AM
If something goes wrong with the source and you need to get your money back and they ask for your license...then what?
you mean at western union? well at this point there has been no mention of product or anything, they wouldn`t know what you were buying, so you would be safe anyway


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: whitewidow on January 17, 2014, 05:36:48 AM
When I first started ordering from overseas and wiring money , the site would always say the success rate was like 99% and that is a very close analysis if you are dealing with a good shipper and they do not ship out of sketch spots. I have def ordered way over 100 packs from overseas some very big orders and some very small and I figure I have ordered around 160 time from overseas and i have seriously only have had 5-6 seizures. I never had any control deliverys but like I said i got that damn 6 page letter about 5-6 times and everytime I faxed the copy to my source and got a re-ship and the re-ship made it. 5-6 seizures out of 160 packs is not bad at all that is definately in the mid 90% range.

As a buyer it is nice to know where the pack is coming from because customs is real alert on thos packs that come from Alin, Alin has alot of seizures so stay away from him not saying he is a bad guy just that whole areais flagged. I personally remember there was a stretch of like 1-2 months where Aling could not get anything past customs and I think he had to switch where the packs got mailed from. any sources who have been in the game that long probably customs knows about the operation and watches packs coming from that area. Same thing has happened to a few other sources.

I love ordering from guys who have a nice domestic set-up bit it is always just decent to poor UGL these days. Some customers are very happy with those slapstick UGL's but those are customers who have not been around since back in the day when you could get great QV,Brovell,TTokyo, Animal Power gear for very cheap 25$ for 10ml for Test products not bad at all but nowasyas people pay 50$ for test products that are not nearly as good and look real cheap looking, of course looks mean shit, but it is nice to have a good looking product as well as have the product be very good quality as well.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2014, 11:19:10 AM
160+ deliveries?! I take it u have absolutely zero concern of being pinched?
why would he be, they take your package = no big deal, I mean only way you are in trouble is if you admit to it being yours. A thousand dollar orders=no investigation. 10 000 dollar orders=playing with fire.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2014, 02:00:31 PM
It's not that simple. Possession alone of a relatively small amount could be a felony, in some cases. If they have electronic evidence connecting u to a source (this could happen relatively easily if your source is compromised) it could be sufficient probable cause to obtain a search warrant. Once that happens, they just wait until u take delivery and then move in. It doesn't even have to be a "controlled delivery" under these circumstances.

Not saying this is likely, but it could happen. It's more likely if u are doing other things that would warrant LE's attention.
but it does not happen, spitting on the side walk and crossing the street are also covered under law but it doesn't work that way. They do not care about people ordering for personal use, they are after dealers


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: dustin on January 18, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
It's not that simple. Possession alone of a relatively small amount could be a felony, in some cases. If they have electronic evidence connecting u to a source (this could happen relatively easily if your source is compromised) it could be sufficient probable cause to obtain a search warrant. Once that happens, they just wait until u take delivery and then move in. It doesn't even have to be a "controlled delivery" under these circumstances.

Not saying this is likely, but it could happen. It's more likely if u are doing other things that would warrant LE's attention.

We live in Canada. Unless you're importing raws, you can import hundreds of packages willy nilly. I know many people who've run the bigger UGLs in Canada and they've very laid back about things. Importing tons and tons of packages all the time with no problems at all. I'm not saying you wouldn't get busted at some point, but he wouldn't be the only person doing that.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: OTHstrong on January 18, 2014, 03:27:39 PM
We live in Canada. Unless you're importing raws, you can import hundreds of packages willy nilly. I know many people who've run the bigger UGLs in Canada and they've very laid back about things. Importing tons and tons of packages all the time with no problems at all. I'm not saying you wouldn't get busted at some point, but he wouldn't be the only person doing that.
oh fuck, the Canadians custom do not fuck around with raws, hell no, that shit is crazy.

My friend got a package opened with raws and they came to the address where it was being delivered to and confiscated all the computers in the house, lol but they got nothing cause the address had nothing to do with anything.



Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: dustin on January 18, 2014, 03:39:31 PM
oh fuck, the Canadians custom do not fuck around with raws, hell no, that shit is crazy.

My friend got a package opened with raws and they came to the address where it was being delivered to and confiscated all the computers in the house, lol but they got nothing cause the address had nothing to do with anything.



You import raws and you're doing time. I'm pretty sure they know these packages are getting across. I've received dozens and dozens of packages, but would never dare to import raws. I've only seen a few guys have them shipped and there were very swift arrests. But on the other hand, you can import literally hundreds of gear packages with no problem at all.

When people ask "why don't you brew your own", the reason is jail time. I can keep a dozen or two vials for personal stash at home. But a powder could easily get me in hot water. I know tons of RCMP members who juice hard and they say that gear is very low on the scheduling list. It's only when you have APIs that you get in trouble. That means conspiracy to distribute and all sorts of other charges that can be bumped up to a federal jurisdiction. Stick with vials. It'll cost more, but think of how shitty it'd be to end up in jail or having your home repossessed because it could be linked to a proceed from crime. Not worth it at all. Saw a dude get his home taken away and it was from his legit day time job. He must have cried for months on end...


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 21, 2014, 08:08:09 AM
why would he be, they take your package = no big deal, I mean only way you are in trouble is if you admit to it being yours. A thousand dollar orders=no investigation. 10 000 dollar orders=playing with fire.

Actually that is a bit incorrect.  Once they may do that.  But multiple seizures going to the same address?  Uh-uh!  If it doesn't result in anything it isn't because they just laughed and threw the box in the detainment room.  Most likely the reason that nothing happen is because they kicked it over to the local po-pos to see if they wanted to do anything with it and the local LE didn't think it would result in anything special.  Most LE don't give a shit about roids and gear users.  If they are going to nail you for roids it is because of three reasons :

1  - recs are involved
2 - guns are involved
3 - there is someone else they want to get their hands on

Big orders for raws... they know there is something more going on there and will bust that simply because they know they have enough charges to actually make it stick.  Unlike personal use where they spend all that time just for the defendant to get mild probation, with a pack of raws they already got possesion, distribution, manufacturing, and other IRS related charges (tax evasion, money laundering, etc..) right there.  A bust resulting in charges and convictions that high is great brownie points for someone in the force looking to move up the ladder. 


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on January 21, 2014, 08:12:32 AM
Oh and if you using your computer to anything that your country or state may find illegal without using a small Bolt Flash Drive with mojo pack installed on it for a self contained portable encrypted mini OS, then you are crazy.  You are leaving a trail behind.  With the Bolt drive you do all your nefarious needs on that and if shit hits the fan you simply destroy the small USB drive and everything you have done on it is gone.  Forever.  Even if they snag your computer, they won't find shit but your bearded tranny porn on it.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: OTHstrong on January 21, 2014, 01:41:55 PM
Actually that is a bit incorrect.  Once they may do that.  But multiple seizures going to the same address?  Uh-uh!  If it doesn't result in anything it isn't because they just laughed and threw the box in the detainment room.  Most likely the reason that nothing happen is because they kicked it over to the local po-pos to see if they wanted to do anything with it and the local LE didn't think it would result in anything special.  Most LE don't give a shit about roids and gear users.  If they are going to nail you for roids it is because of three reasons :

1  - recs are involved
2 - guns are involved
3 - there is someone else they want to get their hands on

Big orders for raws... they know there is something more going on there and will bust that simply because they know they have enough charges to actually make it stick.  Unlike personal use where they spend all that time just for the defendant to get mild probation, with a pack of raws they already got possesion, distribution, manufacturing, and other IRS related charges (tax evasion, money laundering, etc..) right there.  A bust resulting in charges and convictions that high is great brownie points for someone in the force looking to move up the ladder. 
pardon my ignorance and please do not feel insulted for this but only a complete retarded imbecile moran without a brain will use the same address again, lmao @ anything going threw once that address has been flagged, this is fucken hilarious.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: _aj_ on January 21, 2014, 02:01:16 PM
Tell me more about these "forwarding services"...


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: randy841 on January 21, 2014, 04:43:24 PM
this^^^ also what WW said, I have had similar experiences to his with generous ''make it right'' type attitudes online.

Some key points to consider,
1. do not take a single person's word for it on online sources, do your own research and look for reviews on both products and source and 10 reviews means shit, we are talking 100's of them, don't be lazy.

2. rep is everything

3. never use your own address, come on guys be safe, should be common sense.

Now when you buy locally there are less things to worry about and chance are you will pay more but it is convenient and ideal and probably less hassles, so both have there advantages.

either way you still have to take precaution.

Canada post - requires photo idea

For a P.O. Box

What works - UPS? Fed Ex?


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: OTHstrong on January 21, 2014, 04:47:42 PM
Canada post - requires photo idea

For a P.O. Box

What works - UPS? Fed Ex?
I was thinking more along the lines of a friends address, he can play dumb and since he is not associated with juice he would not have any information on his computing devices and not to mention he would not be keeping juice there, hence zero risk, and i mean ZERO


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: _aj_ on January 21, 2014, 05:32:37 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of a friends address, he can play dumb and since he is not associated with juice he would not have any information on his computing devices and not to mention he would not be keeping juice there, hence zero risk, and i mean ZERO

That would be one heck of a friend.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: OTHstrong on January 21, 2014, 06:03:18 PM
That would be one heck of a friend.
why? there is no risk involved at all, zero, all my friends take my packages (only a couple per year) and do not give 2 shits, these are law abiding citizens but they do not care because in reality they have no control over a package coming to there house, nobody does. in fact I can send you a package right now without you even knowing, so how is that a crime.

It is not and the worse that happens is the package gets thrown out and he gets a letter, big deal. This is how the game is played, I have observed this for A DECADE, i HAVE YET TO SEE ANYONE IN TEN YEARS GET NABBED ON ACCOUNT OF PERSONAL USE, AS FOR THE DRUG DEALERS, WELL FUCK IT, THEY ARE DEALING IT SO THEY DESERVE WHAT EVER HAPPENS.

I only order personal use and do not deal and I do not break the law at all, not even when it comes to taxes so why worry, over gear use, don't deal it and things should be OK in the long run.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: Borracho on January 21, 2014, 06:10:34 PM
I would only get a package sent to my grandma's if it was from another country and had to go through customs. Otherwise, I don't see the point in being all paranoid about a little bit of gear for personal use.


Title: Re: Online or local sources?
Post by: phreak on January 22, 2014, 01:41:48 AM
Good to live in Holland and not have to worry about that shit. I can just use unencrypted mail, real name and address. At worst the package would be confiscated -- but this has never happened yet.