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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Basti19 on January 22, 2014, 10:00:15 AM
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Hey im new to this forum, sorry for my bad englisch
To you guys who started juicing around the age of 18, if you could go back would you do it again, wait till your older, or start even earlier?
Currently im getting 19 in 2 weeks and i have already ordered all stuff for a good first cycle, just wanted to ask those who started at that age if they regret their decision.
Thanks for accepting me on getbig ;D
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I wouldn't start until you have been training a few years, but if you're hellbent on jumping into it at least educate yourself. There is a lot to learn so be patient and read as much as you can about it before using anything.
Personally, i think at your age you have enough Test in your system to make very good gains with just a good training program. I know i made some very impressive gains up until i was about 21.
I started using at about 23 years old and don't regret it, but i do regret using the high doses that i did in the beginning. I could have easily made the same gains if i had cycled correctly and didn't jump on/off cycle every 8 weeks.
What are your goals? Do you want to compete or just get big?
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Hey im new to this forum, sorry for my bad englisch
To you guys who started juicing around the age of 18, if you could go back would you do it again, wait till your older, or start even earlier?
Currently im getting 19 in 2 weeks and i have already ordered all stuff for a good first cycle, just wanted to ask those who started at that age if they regret their decision.
Thanks for accepting me on getbig ;D
My first cycle of test e (500mg/wk) was at 22, I don't regret the decision. I was on for 12 weeks then was off for over a year before I started my second cycle, and then just stayed on. Been almost a year since I started my "second cycle." Will mostly stay on for life at this point, or at least until I get sick of jabbing needles in my quads.
I'd say don't do it so young, get some more training under your belt. Are you planning on competing? If you are and are serious about being a top amateur or even going pro, then roids are a must. Otherwise wait until you're at least 25.
In the end its all up to you. No one will convince you otherwise if you're already dead set on it. Just remember that chances are you'll end up needing to go on TRT when you're ready to retire the lifestyle.
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Thanks for your quick reply,
Yea i have made some very good gains probably going to post some pictures if i find time, when i was younger i have been cycling(bicycle riding, not juicing) a lot and competing in a lot of national races so i have always been extremely skinny before i started weight training at 16 i was 1,80cm tall and weight 63,5 kg, now im turning 19 and im 84kg at the same height with visible abs.
I have no interest in competing in BB at the moment, i know it sounds stupid but i simply love that look that guys like jaco de bruyn, mike rashid and co have and we all know they are not natural haha :)
I have researched for around a year now, just hoped that some guys who started that early share their experience ;)
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I started at 17.. on my 17th bday actually, after I had a few yrs of training.
I'd wanted to be a 'bodybuilder' since I was 5-6yrs old and read everything I could until I was 14 (my mom finally let me start working out a couple weeks before my 14th bday. lol).. I was 90lbs when I started and put on 30 a year for the next few years. wasn't till I was 15 that I realized the pro's I saw in magazines used steroids. lol... so I started my research at about 15.5/16yrs old.
first cycle was a whopping 1 amp of Sten per week for 12 weeks. lol... the cheapest test you can get in mexico. I think I paid $1.45 a box (two 2ml amps of 75mg cyp and 25mg prop in each box), plus a 100ct bottle of 50mg clomid.. I forget the name, they were pink and looked like skittles.
anyways... my timing was right and I don't regret that at all... my only regret was the dosage. going back I would've upped the dose and done 2 or 3 amps a week.
wasn't till after I'd already started that I got around to meeting the "authorities" on anabolics at the time.. back when duchaine was still alive and milos and Nasser still lived and trained in san diego.
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started when i was 17...in all honesty if i would have waited to use i would have never done it...
bench
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Wish I would have started sooner.
Still haven't even done my first cycle. ;D
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to young. I think you can still break through alot of plateues naturally at 17 years old your body is still producing alot of testosterone at that age so you can make great gains at that age .It is the diet that is important till you hit about 20. Now if you are seriously talented athlete and have a scholorship riding on some sport you might want to use some Test and HGH and even a small dose of insulin even at that age. It could be the diffrence of going to college or not.If that is not the case why rush it? You can still grow and get big just with great diet manipulation and hard training and some OTC supps. Steroids in my eyes should be used when you are totally tapped out naturally and have stuck a strong diet for years with a hard training regimen. I didn't know shit about a real bodybuilder type diet till i was around 20.The diet is key! most of you might think your diet is good but if you talked to a pro BB they might have something else to say about that.
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The ideal time for me to have started was around 23. Seven years of serious lifting under my belt, already quite strong, but stuck on a plateau.
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to young. I think you can still break through alot of plateues naturally at 17 years old your body is still producing alot of testosterone at that age so you can make great gains at that age .It is the diet that is important till you hit about 20. Now if you are seriously talented athlete and have a scholorship riding on some sport you might want to use some Test and HGH and even a small dose of insulin even at that age. It could be the diffrence of going to college or not.If that is not the case why rush it? You can still grow and get big just with great diet manipulation and hard training and some OTC supps. Steroids in my eyes should be used when you are totally tapped out naturally and have stuck a strong diet for years with a hard training regimen. I didn't know shit about a real bodybuilder type diet till i was around 20.The diet is key! most of you might think your diet is good but if you talked to a pro BB they might have something else to say about that.
Exactly.
I actually wanted to start when I was in college. I didn't play any sports but was very serious about lifting and "living the lifestyle." The thing that really turned me off from trying it then was money. Between tuition and scraping a few bucks a day for decent food there was no leftover money for partying/drinking, let alone something as expensive as steroids. Once I graduated and got a job things got a lot easier. I had money to blow and it was the perfect time for me to start.
Thinking back on it, I really wasn't ready anyway. My diet advice came from Flex Magazine and my training advice came from gym bros who were all juicing and had many more years of training under their belts (what worked for them probably wouldn't have worked for me as a beginner/intermediate). After I did a natural body transformation and realized the importance of diet I was ready.
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I didn't start until I was 21 years old. Personally I think that's the right age. I had always been very Interested in trying them but I didn't personally know anyone doing them. I was in college at the time I remember running across a BD website that was selling gear, that was the start of it. I researched for.six months. Got about 80 human grade sustanon amps in the mail along with 1000 Thai anabols. Boy did I blow up.
I trained my ass off for years. Played three sports a year in high school and I was going into my senior year of college football. We did a ton of weight lifting and cardio. I tried harder than anyone else on the team to gain muscle. I tried to eat more and on days when we didn't lift as a team I'd be in there doing curls and other ancillary exercises. I was lean and had a great body but I couldn't put on any size at all. This became extremely frustrating because I was putting a lot of time and energy into it. I'm glad I started now I feel like I actually get the results I deserved.
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Thanks for your answers guys 8)
whitewidow im not 17 i am going to turn 19 in not even 2 weeks, wanted to start at my 19 birthday(kind of a birthday present lol)
The thing is not a weight problem at the moment im 84 kg fairly lean with abs(nowhere near shredded probably 11-12%bf), i could easily be 90kg in a few weeks/months but weight is not a factor that concerns me, in my opinion the mirror is much more important, i simply dont think i can gain much more weight natural and still be lean(that fitness model type).
forgot to poste lifts: Bench 135kg
Squat: 170kg (prob. 180, havent done 1reps in a while, but i do 150kg 5x5)
Deadlift: 190kg
My diet is really on track my brother is nutritionist
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Hey im new to this forum, sorry for my bad englisch
To you guys who started juicing around the age of 18, if you could go back would you do it again, wait till your older, or start even earlier?
Currently im getting 19 in 2 weeks and i have already ordered all stuff for a good first cycle, just wanted to ask those who started at that age if they regret their decision.
Thanks for accepting me on getbig ;D
My first cycle was 16 years old and it was anavar only.. At 17 I used test and deca and I was strong as bull laying people out on the football field.. I do wish I would have waited until I was 25 to start using but I had some great times and learned so much.. I wouldn't take any of it back
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My first cycle was 16 years old and it was anavar only.. At 17 I used test and deca and I was strong as bull laying people out on the football field.. I do wish I would have waited until I was 25 to start using but I had some great times and learned so much.. I wouldn't take any of it back
So why would you wait now till your 25 if you had such a great time? any severe side effects?
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Never touched a weight until I was 35, did my first show as a middle and won my class and the open, currently 41, 42 in april, getting ready for Master Nats. Even starting out late in life I made some great gains, weighed in at 198 for my last show 2 years ago working with Hany
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So why would you wait now till your 25 if you had such a great time? any severe side effects?
At such a young age your natural test levels are pretty high and once you start shutting them down I don't feel they ever come up to where they were before your started...you need to first educate yourself on this shit so you know exactly what your getting yourself into.. If you stay moderate you won't run into very many side effects at all...
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If you go on different boards, they all say start off with 500mgs of Test Enanathate or Cyp for 12-16 weeks. In your opinion what's the best First Cycle for someone with all their ducks in a row(ie.training, diet, age)to put on a decent amount of size without going overboard?
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If you go on different boards, they all say start off with 500mgs of Test Enanathate or Cyp for 12-16 weeks. In your opinion what's the best First Cycle for someone with all their ducks in a row(ie.training, diet, age)to put on a decent amount of size without going overboard?
300-500 test for 6+ months. If you're thinking about using steroids in terms of weeks, don't bother.
As for the question, I started at 23 after seven years of training. I wish I would have started at 19-20. Doesn't take long to "build a foundation" ::) and training changes on the juice so you'll need to re-learn how to train anyways.
Going through college on juice would have been awesome
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Hey im new to this forum, sorry for my bad englisch
To you guys who started juicing around the age of 18, if you could go back would you do it again, wait till your older, or start even earlier?
Currently im getting 19 in 2 weeks and i have already ordered all stuff for a good first cycle, just wanted to ask those who started at that age if they regret their decision.
Thanks for accepting me on getbig ;D
What do you plan on using?
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300-500 test for 6+ months. If you're thinking about using steroids in terms of weeks, don't bother.
As for the question, I started at 23 after seven years of training. I wish I would have started at 19-20. Doesn't take long to "build a foundation" ::) and training changes on the juice so you'll need to re-learn how to train anyways.
Going through college on juice would have been awesome
Thanks PV69! I'm a little older(almost 40) than most of the guys on board. So, I definitely do NOT have a problem staying on for at least 6 months.;D I'm 6'3" 235lbs with single digit bf. I want to hit the 250-255lb range and keep my bf the same.
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Thanks PV69! I'm a little older(almost 40) than most of the guys on board. So, I definitely do NOT have a problem staying on for at least 6 months.;D I'm 6'3" 235lbs with single digit bf. I want to hit the 250-255lb range and keep my bf the same.
Perfect. 500mg with good diet and hard training and TIME will get you to your goals. Any higher dosages and managing side effects becomes tricky.
A suggestion for you, if i may: don't worry about the scale, assuming you are doing this for aesthetic purposes. Chasing a number on the scale will get you fat and make you look worse, more than likely. Just keep training hard and eating enough--but not too much--and you will develop a very nice physique.
If you have questions feel free to start your own thread, we're happy to help
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listen, young one.
imo.
if you dont plan to stay on for as long you train, then leave it be.
if you not ready to dose low enough to stay healthy, leave it be.
me id do many things different if i could go back in time.
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What do you plan on using?
I wanted to use 330mg of test e e5d (462 a week) for 5months eventually 6, novaldex and clomid for possible side effects and pct
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I started at 23 or 24 I believe and had been training with weights religiously since I was 12 years old. I would not judge you by your age per se but ask yourself this. Can you gain another 15-20lb of muscle without juice? can you add 60lb to your bench without juice?
If the answer is yes, those gains are possible then you should not be doing juice.
I was benching 350lb and was having a hard time getting past 200lb in body weight so i decided to juice. Juice IMO should be to break plateaus and not to fast forward your natural gains. Also IMO anyone can reach there natural limitation in 3 years of intense training and eating properly.
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I started at 23 or 24 I believe and had been training with weights religiously since I was 12 years old. I would not judge you by your age per se but ask yourself this. Can you gain another 15-20lb of muscle without juice? can you add 60lb to your bench without juice?
If the answer is yes, those gains are possible then you should not be doing juice.
I was benching 350lb and was having a hard time getting past 200lb in body weight so i decided to juice. Juice IMO should be to break plateaus and not to fast forward your natural gains. Also IMO anyone can reach there natural limitation in 3 years of intense training and eating properly.
yah, get the natural maximum out first before even thinking of gear, the benefit will be much better if maxed out natty.
if not,its a waste and results will disapoint for many.
he wants to do a 5month test cycle and talks about pct, i wouldnt do it.
if one just wants to do one or 2 cycles to check the waters, best to stay away from it.
bast what in the fuck does that mean your brother is nutritonist haha, please.
you need pointers about what to eat but want do steroids?you serious?
also, forget your lifts.
post a pic, i think youre too young for this tbh
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yah, get the natural maximum out first before even thinking of gear, the benefit will be much better if maxed out natty.
if not,its a waste and results will disapoint for many.
he wants to do a 5month test cycle and talks about pct, i wouldnt do it.
if one just wants to do one or 2 cycles to check the waters, best to stay away from it.
bast what in the fuck does that mean your brother is nutritonist haha, please.
you need pointers about what to eat but want do steroids?you serious?
also, forget your lifts.
post a pic, i think youre too young for this tbh
thanks for the answers man,
i dont think im too far away from my genetic potential at 185lbs at 5'11 because im lean like i said i am convinced to easily be 200 but i would not be pleased with bodyfat and look, looked at the stats gh15 posted about whats possible natural and im pretty close
would you really recommend for a beginner to blast and cruise right from the start??? or what is wrong with my cycle? ???
I didnt know if that was the right expression (nutritionist), but he works at (sorry but i dont know how to express im austrian) a nutrition counseling and helps fat people get lean, he does also bb our diet is the same
I have never said i need diet advice man lol ;D
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yah, get the natural maximum out first before even thinking of gear, the benefit will be much better if maxed out natty.
if not,its a waste and results will disapoint for many.
he wants to do a 5month test cycle and talks about pct, i wouldnt do it.
if one just wants to do one or 2 cycles to check the waters, best to stay away from it.
bast what in the fuck does that mean your brother is nutritonist haha, please.
you need pointers about what to eat but want do steroids?you serious?
also, forget your lifts.
post a pic, i think youre too young for this tbh
And please post your lifts, because i dont think its really to bad to deadlift 418lbs at 18 year, gonna post a few pictures soon, just have to warp them
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And please post your lifts, because i dont think its really to bad to deadlift 418lbs at 18 year, gonna post a few pictures soon, just have to warp them
I deadlifted 400lb in my first year of training weighing 135lb
My training was just messing around once or twice a week
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And please post your lifts, because i dont think its really to bad to deadlift 418lbs at 18 year, gonna post a few pictures soon, just have to warp them
It's not bad, because most people don't even lift weights. But if you mention DL, then the DL is obviously your best lift. Thus DLing marginally double bodyweight is not all that impressive. I've had 132-Lb kids do that after less than a year of training.
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I deadlifted 400lb in my first year of training weighing 135lb
My training was just messing around once or twice a week
Beat me to it. ;D If this DL is his ego lift, then I'd guess his bench to be around 185-205 tops. Squat maybe 275. Typical monkey arm ratios. Good at 123, not so hot at 185.
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Beat me to it. ;D If this DL is his ego lift, then I'd guess his bench to be around 185-205 tops. Squat maybe 275. Typical monkey arm ratios. Good at 123, not so hot at 185.
Yeah, at the time I could not bench my body weight.
Personally, I think you should get shredded before you jump on. If you've proved you can get lean and hold an appreciable amount of muscle mass, then you can diet and train effectively.
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Yeah, at the time I could not bench my body weight.
Personally, I think you should get shredded before you jump on. If you've proved you can get lean and hold an appreciable amount of muscle mass, then you can diet and train effectively.
Good advice, just 23 years too late for me. ;D
Or not, because that would mean I would have hopped on after 2 months of lifting weights. :P Fun to think about what could have been, but I'm glad that I didn't.
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;D
post your lifts ;D
brother i lifted heavy enough to blow out a shoulder over time and deform the upper arm bone.
either way how heavy you lift is absolutely not a priority in all this, you will learn that eventualy,if you stick around.
dont worry too much, if you feel your maxed out, do gear, if you wear maxed out and eat right and train good, the gains will be great.
if you werent there yet gains etc will be poor.
good luck, takes plenty of time to get jacked.
but this whole deal with planning going off,well, you will see what i mean :D
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;D
post your lifts ;D
brother i lifted heavy enough to blow out a shoulder over time and deform the upper arm bone.
either way how heavy you lift is absolutely not a priority in all this, you will learn that eventualy,if you stick around.
dont worry too much, if you feel your maxed out, do gear, if you wear maxed out and eat right and train good, the gains will be great.
if you werent there yet gains etc will be poor.
good luck, takes plenty of time to get jacked.
but this whole deal with planning going off,well, you will see what i mean :D
would you still advise trying to max out naturally for someone with low natural test?.
Or better to hop on hrt dose for a good length of time and max out on the hrt dose before considering higher doses?
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would you still advise trying to max out naturally for someone with low natural test?.
Or better to hop on hrt dose for a good length of time and max out on the hrt dose before considering higher doses?
Don't know what the expert will say, but that's exactly what I've been doing for the last 4 months, and I have no regrets. Besides not starting two years earlier, when low test started affecting me.
One thing I need to mention: as alluded to by galeniko earlier, once you pop you won't stop. So the temptation to inject just a bit more each time is very great.
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would you still advise trying to max out naturally for someone with low natural test?.
Or better to hop on hrt dose for a good length of time and max out on the hrt dose before considering higher doses?
How long have you been seriously training? There is little harm in doing 200-250mg though, so I'd probably just get on it i were you
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Don't know what the expert will say, but that's exactly what I've been doing for the last 4 months, and I have no regrets. Besides not starting two years earlier, when low test started affecting me.
I too persisted with the low test symptoms for a few years, regular progress was near impossible and some weeks the warm up weights were impossible.
I Started on monday and read should feel it kick in at around the 3 week mark.
It cant come fast enough, like a kid on cristmas eve waiting to feel it work.
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I too persisted with the low test symptoms for a few years, regular progress was near impossible and some weeks the warm up weights were impossible.
I Started on monday and read should feel it kick in at around the 3 week mark.
It cant come fast enough, like a kid on cristmas eve waiting to feel it work.
You'll feel it in under a week, but significant changes in the gym will come around week 3-4
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would you still advise trying to max out naturally for someone with low natural test?.
Or better to hop on hrt dose for a good length of time and max out on the hrt dose before considering higher doses?
yes, low natural test or normal natural test is all the same joke :D
the maxing out has more to do with learning the diet, getting joints and tendons bit strong, learning muscle mind connection, this all takes a while and is not so much hormone dependent.
and when one got fairly lean after all this, they are ready to go in every aspect.
wastig the first results of first cycles is the biggest error one can do in this quest.
these will sualy be the "poor" responders who take 1g+ and whatnot else to get something like my look.
but! when everythings ready, and you start, its like jetfuel into a yugo car :D
i mean one can start earlier, but since its a lng term decision(i stand by this, theres no going off later on unless ppl stop training and lose interest, when they say off they on 2-500mgs lol), best to do it as good as possible.
once one was where he wants, they can play around with on-of patterns, but to get there, theres no on off.the on-off pattern does bad things and robs much of valueable time.
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You'll feel it in under a week, but significant changes in the gym will come around week 3-4
i know this probaably been asked 100x before but what should feel in the first week?
So far havent felt a thing yet
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You'll feel it in under a week, but significant changes in the gym will come around week 3-4
it goes like this, the usual test e will work immeditely after the shot(how couldnt it)
soon to be followed by bit water retention, which adds to the weights you can lift very soon, this in exchange will lead to more hunger and appetite.
the metabolism gets fired up a bit, the nutritients are used much better compared to when off,ie, seemingly much goes in the muscle ,fat deposits are harder to build up etc.
takes a good 2-3 weeks till the system is fully flooded and adapted, from there, things happen at rather quick pace.
if one eats the right amount of right foods, all will be good.
if one recklessly overeats they will look like a mess.
if one eats a regular joes diet, the results will be nonexistent.
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it goes like this, the usual test e will work immeditely after the shot(how couldnt it)
soon to be followed by bit water retention, which adds to the weights you can lift very soon, this in exchange will lead to more hunger and appetite.
the metabolism gets fired up a bit, the nutritients are used much better compared to when off,ie, seemingly much goes in the muscle ,fat deposits are harder to build up etc.
takes a good 2-3 weeks till the system is fully flooded and adapted, from there, things happen at rather quick pace.
if one eats the right amount of right foods, all will be good.
if one recklessly overeats they will look like a mess.
if one eats a regular joes diet, the results will be nonexistent.
Would test cyp take longer?
Felt nothing yet only difference which may be just coincidence or phsicological but after training in morning muscles trained that day (back and biceps) seemed to still be pumped at bedtime.
Also have nearly zero muscular soreness when normally get quite a bit.
Other than that feel no different.
Diet will be 300 to 350 g protein. Maybe max 200g carbs or less.
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Would test cyp take longer?
Felt nothing yet only difference which may be just coincidence or phsicological but after training in morning muscles trained that day (back and biceps) seemed to still be pumped at bedtime.
Also have nearly zero muscular soreness when normally get quite a bit.
Other than that feel no different.
Diet will be 300 to 350 g protein. Maybe max 200g carbs or less.
As I experienced it recently:
Week 1-2: nothing really, could have been normal fluctuations.
Week 3-4: suddenly started noticing improvements.
Week 5-8: superman time! High libido, high energy, but also high sides (greasy, bloated, snoring, aggressive)
Week 9-...: stability. No more sides, but also no extreme libido. Just how a 40-y.o. should feel.
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As I experienced it recently:
Week 1-2: nothing really, could have been normal fluctuations.
Week 3-4: suddenly started noticing improvements.
Week 5-8: superman time! High libido, high energy, but also high sides (greasy, bloated, snoring, aggressive)
Week 9-...: stability. No more sides, but also no extreme libido. Just how a 40-y.o. should feel.
Sounds awesome cant wait for weeks 3 to 4!
Was starting to worry that gear was fake, i know its early to think that. Reading your experience has put mind at rest.
Wish had gotyon the gear when i was supposed to as would be at week 3 by now, more patient waiting now i guess
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i know this probaably been asked 100x before but what should feel in the first week?
So far havent felt a thing yet
The first thing I have always noticed was increase in sex drive right away within 2 weeks of just test e
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I still feel a rush of euphoria about 10 hours post injection with test enanthate
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As I experienced it recently:
Week 1-2: nothing really, could have been normal fluctuations.
Week 3-4: suddenly started noticing improvements.
Week 5-8: superman time! High libido, high energy, but also high sides (greasy, bloated, snoring, aggressive)
Week 9-...: stability. No more sides, but also no extreme libido. Just how a 40-y.o. should feel.
this is pretty much howo it goes on cyp.e will be a bit faster.
Would test cyp take longer?
Felt nothing yet only difference which may be just coincidence or phsicological but after training in morning muscles trained that day (back and biceps) seemed to still be pumped at bedtime.
Also have nearly zero muscular soreness when normally get quite a bit.
Other than that feel no different.
Diet will be 300 to 350 g protein. Maybe max 200g carbs or less.
yes cyp takes somewhat longer.
the improvement will not be slight or doubtable, it is "boom" kinda sensation.like supercharger kicks in.
be carefull when skin gets oily, bit acne can happen, those are best controled by diet and they go away.
but mood starts getting better imediately.overal i think mood has more to do with personal stuff ,how life is in general, but obviously when one starts cycle they excited and pumped up and looking forward this raises mood.
muscle soreness is not a sound indicator, but recovery for same workouts will be much faster.but if one trains harder than ever before,easy possible, then the recovery might take longer than before, simply bc is not used to such trainings.
after few week,it just goes boom.
yes pay attention to diet, do not pay attention to the ppl who sayyou can eat whatever you want(ofc you can, but its no good), some ppl after many years and lots muscle can eat things at certain times which makes it look like random and sweet diet, but dont mistake it for random they know exactly what they doing.
diet clean, only as much food as needed,its fuel, nothing else.
and the random cheat meal to see what happens.
enjoy it.play around with carbs, one day almost none, other day more, to see whats best.dont be afraid to eat some fats
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Would test cyp take longer?
Felt nothing yet only difference which may be just coincidence or phsicological but after training in morning muscles trained that day (back and biceps) seemed to still be pumped at bedtime.
Also have nearly zero muscular soreness when normally get quite a bit.
Other than that feel no different.
Diet will be 300 to 350 g protein. Maybe max 200g carbs or less.
Sounds like it's already working. An exaggerated sense of well-being is the first thing I notice, usually within a day or two, but I think it's easier to notice once you've been "on"
The first time you juice, it's hard to tell when it's working until it's unmistakable. Now I can feel a shot of test c in 6-12 hours
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Galeniko & PV69, would you recommend anything else in addition to the 500mgs of Test? Would it be ok to add things like NPP, EQ, Anadrol, Dbol, etc... down the line during the 6 month period to see better results?
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Galeniko & PV69, would you recommend anything else in addition to the 500mgs of Test? Would it be ok to add things like NPP, EQ, Anadrol, Dbol, etc... down the line during the 6 month period to see better results?
Of course, by all means, however...
You should add whatever you would like based on your goals. Get familiar with every compound and what they do or how various advantage in your workouts and physique and most importantly how they would make you feel and the side effects in order to make a decision on what you want to add.
Not always as black and white as someone advising you to add something, every compound you decide to add has to play a role or have a reason for your decision. i mean 500mg of test, addin something could prove to be even greater.
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Of course, by all means, however...
You should add whatever you would like based on your goals. Get familiar with every compound and what they do or how various advantage in your workouts and physique and most importantly how they would make you feel and the side effects in order to make a decision on what you want to add.
Not always as black and white as someone advising you to add something, every compound you decide to add has to play a role or have a reason for your decision. i mean 500mg of test, addin something could prove to be even greater.
yes agree.
whatever anyone says, i feel for newcomers, many months on just bit test and patience will do best.
its also the smart way to start things(only use as much as need, never forget coming down in dosage is a real bitchy feeling,and progress is not just halted,its reversed).as in leaving more room towards the sky for later on.
then up to something 500mg test for a long while.
thatll be the point for most where sids like high blood pressure might start.
then from there, one can always run bit test(yes i feel this is very important, bit 100mg week will be needed if you dont want turn eunuch)with additional ped of choice(so to say, cycling).
just dont forget bit test must be in there, one can do 2-3 weeks without,but then things turn to the worse.
competitotrs go off test shortly before contest often, but gymrat shouldnt, i know exactly wh im saying this.. :D
then much later one can add gh, then depending on doses slin will be needed bc the bloodsugar.
now one has to step back and ask themselves how far they want to take it and whatfor.
this puts the conservative test usage at first in different light.
i dont think a gymrat "needs" anything else but test
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Galeniko & PV69, would you recommend anything else in addition to the 500mgs of Test? Would it be ok to add things like NPP, EQ, Anadrol, Dbol, etc... down the line during the 6 month period to see better results?
Yes and no. 500mg test will take you pretty far, I would stick with that at first.
After that, you could try adding different compounds one at a time. Each one has different properties and will give you a certain 'look'. Its a lot of fun to try the different compounds out.
BUT: are they really necessary if you're not going to compete? Probably not. Also, while you're almost certain to get good test from most UGLs, the more exotic compounds and orals are not as guaranteed. Furthermore, test is natural, mild, and not too harsh on the body. But just about every other drug is tougher on the body.
So, you've gotta think carefully. When I first started I was running 1.5-2g, but I was able to get 80% of the results with just 300mg test after galeniko had talked about it. The difference? Strict diet
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yes agree.
whatever anyone says, i feel for newcomers, many months on just bit test and patience will do best.
its also the smart way to start things(only use as much as need, never forget coming down in dosage is a real bitchy feeling,and progress is not just halted,its reversed).as in leaving more room towards the sky for later on.
then up to something 500mg test for a long while.
thatll be the point for most where sids like high blood pressure might start.
then from there, one can always run bit test(yes i feel this is very important, bit 100mg week will be needed if you dont want turn eunuch)with additional ped of choice(so to say, cycling).
just dont forget bit test must be in there, one can do 2-3 weeks without,but then things turn to the worse.
competitotrs go off test shortly before contest often, but gymrat shouldnt, i know exactly wh im saying this.. :D
then much later one can add gh, then depending on doses slin will be needed bc the bloodsugar.
now one has to step back and ask themselves how far they want to take it and whatfor.
this puts the conservative test usage at first in different light.
i dont think a gymrat "needs" anything else but test
I'm now running 125 mg/w test e, 200 mg/w mast e. Feeling great and leaning out. But yes, diet makes an enormous difference. I've always overestimated what roids could do, and underestimated what diet does.
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I'm now running 125 mg/w test e, 200 mg/w mast e. Feeling great and leaning out. But yes, diet makes an enormous difference. I've always overestimated what roids could do, and underestimated what diet does.
excellent statement.
a good diet will realy fire up everything.
a poor diet will lead to disapointing results and sides and its then those ppl who point fingers at other"he must be using a shitton of gear"
Yes and no. 500mg test will take you pretty far, I would stick with that at first.
So, you've gotta think carefully. When I first started I was running 1.5-2g, but I was able to get 80% of the results with just 300mg test after galeniko had talked about it. The difference? Strict diet
another very excelent statement, why run more than needed, why run more than needed too soon.
500 mg test if given enough time,not this baloni 2months on it, will give very good results.1year on 250,next year on 500,non stop.
no worrying about receptor saturationlol.and will stay healthy.
ppl should do this and then come back for more questions.
if one doesnt look good after those 2 years(when lean), then nothing in the world will help, nothing.no gh, no slin.its not hapening bc things are done wrong or most shit genetics amongst population.
ofc if one wants to be extremly huge, fine he will need all things in the world,full buffet, but those 2 years as entry level would still be a good idea.
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Hi bro. Dont know if this helps...
Im gonna start my first ever cycle in some days when ill get 20 and im really looking forward!
Im working out for about 3 years now. Im gonna do pretty much the same cycle u had planned ;)
330 test e/week and nolva and clomid for side effects and pct.
Keep pumping ;D