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Title: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 21, 2006, 02:27:45 AM


  Hi Big LEE

 am new here and i wish to get some ideas on my question, i did a show Nov. 05 and my flight was 26hrs to reach L.A from my home!!!!! so HOW TO CONTROL THE WATER INTAKE in this case?!

  (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/smm35wl.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: fathead on January 21, 2006, 07:54:09 AM
eat only protein while on the flight and drink at least a gallon. Also make sure 2 get there wednesday for a saturday show. Start carb loading a soon as you hit the hotel room.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: LLES on January 21, 2006, 09:27:12 AM
Bro, just wanted to say that you look awesome in that pic. How much damage did you do at your show?
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: BigAlski on January 21, 2006, 11:17:16 AM
Hey MuscleMania do you by any chance work out in Ventura?  You look like this guy I talk to and if so you have brought up your wheels bro.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: BigAlski on January 21, 2006, 11:17:51 AM
I am not very good w/faces though so who knows.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: gibberj2 on January 21, 2006, 11:29:36 AM
what does flying mean?
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: onlyme on January 21, 2006, 11:30:24 AM
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Hey MuscleMania do you by any chance work out in Ventura?  You look like this guy I talk to and if so you have brought up your wheels bro.

Hope not cause it took him 26 hours to get to LA which means he must have walked
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Bear03 on January 21, 2006, 12:58:43 PM
What location is a 26 hour flight from LA??  :o
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: BigAlski on January 21, 2006, 01:03:45 PM
Oh well I should have seen that one.  There's a guy I know in passing that was trained up by Dan Mackey.  Have you ever heard of Dan Mackey OnlyMe? 
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 21, 2006, 01:23:44 PM
Drink plenty of water!
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 21, 2006, 02:24:21 PM
MM-Pro You look awesome dude, the trick with flying is to keep your water intake very very high whilst in the air, the more you drink the more you will pass, you have to make sure the body notices the abundance of fluid being taken on board so it doesn't feel dehydrated and starts to hold on to the fluid , you can also take a mild herbal diuretic to keep the fluid flushing, take a herbal every 4 hrs or so.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: gibberj2 on January 21, 2006, 06:33:33 PM
oh, flying on a plane. i thought it menat something like being on some wierd drug.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 21, 2006, 10:42:18 PM
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 HRDCOR , Mr. Intenseone , fathead ,  LLES  

 Thanx alot for the words and advice ;)

gibberj2  

  i thought my english is BAD..!! :P

Bear03  

  i come from BAHRAIN,, its close to Kuwait and DUBAI if u heard of it... and from where i live i cant take one way to L.A so its like that Bahrain to London 7hrs and 5hrs in airport then london to L.A 13hrs ,, with checking out the Bags and Taxi to hotel i guess for sure more than 26hrs... u can do the math  :'(

BigAlski  

 Nop its not me  :-\

LLES  

 i won the Over all in world Pro MuscleMania in Hollywood last Nov.2005 and i was about 202 pounds

(http://tinypic.com/m95bb9.jpg)

  thanx alot every one, in this forum i found when i need in a great timing... :-*

Sam ;)

Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: 24KT on January 22, 2006, 12:36:06 AM
Hi Sami,

Wow, 26 hrs in the air... that's long! I'd go stir crazy.
The longest I can take is a 5hr flight from Toronto to LA.

Drink PLENTY of water enroute, and walk around the plane alot if you are able to.

BTW - Did you ever visit my website http://www.jaguarenterprises.org (http://www.jaguarenterprises.org)?
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: gibberj2 on January 22, 2006, 01:41:13 AM
my english is very good i'll have you know. i've been speaking it since i've been old enough to understand cartoons.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 22, 2006, 02:59:06 AM
MM-pro , just a question isnt the Muscle Mania a Natural show ?????

I could be wrong here but I thought it was !!! :)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 22, 2006, 07:13:38 AM

HRDCOR  

 Yes it is a Natural show and i have been tested 2 times in this show, and i passed  ::)

gibberj2  

 yeah right i can see u got my word FLYING from the start and thought of it as a DRUG..!!! ohhh yeah its kinda a drug u get it in THE PLANE like BEER  :o

jaguarenterprises  

yeah it is toooo long but i got no options, and its worth it.... REALLY thanx for the advice i shall work on it when i am heading Miami this june and i shall VISIT ur web site today....

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/MMfront.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Acerimmer1 on January 22, 2006, 10:23:59 AM
MM-pro , just a question isnt the Muscle Mania a Natural show ?????

I could be wrong here but I thought it was !!! :)

While I was in Venice on holiday there was a South American muscle Mania competitor (from somewhere near Argentina as I recall) staying in the same place as me. He told me that he was allowed to take drugs in the off-season and he told me that he did. I got the feeling he would've told the head judge exactly the same if he had've asked him. So that guy wasn't natural I know that much.

Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 22, 2006, 12:59:49 PM
Mm-pro ------- good answer, I like how you said  "And I passed" which I take it to mean you use the gear(which you do)but you quite easily passed a Epi Testosterone urine analyses !!!

To me that is what I call HYPOCRISY at its best------this is the very reason why these so called natural federations are a scam !!!

I am actualy surprised you got tested as 95% of the so called natural shows do not !!!

I know a National Natural Champ/Muscle mania champ who was useing GH,stanazol and halo testin for the shows .

Now thats what I call CHEATING !!!
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Prime on January 22, 2006, 04:01:46 PM
Mm-pro ------- good answer, I like how you said  "And I passed" which I take it to mean you use the gear(which you do)but you quite easily passed a Epi Testosterone urine analyses !!!

To me that is what I call HYPOCRISY at its best------this is the very reason why these so called natural federations are a scam !!!

I am actualy surprised you got tested as 95% of the so called natural shows do not !!!

I know a National Natural Champ/Muscle mania champ who was useing GH,stanazol and halo testin for the shows .

Now thats what I call CHEATING !!!
Not all natural feds are like that.

If he says he is natural and he passed the test then who really cares.  He looks great.  IF someone really wants to be certian they are competing in a natural fed theres always the WNBF.

Welcome to getbig sami.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 22, 2006, 04:22:42 PM
Thats cool Prime , if it doesn't bother you then you have one less thing to worry about , but me , well it gets under my skin a bit, I mean a little honesty goes a long way , and what about the "True" naturals whom go in these shows hoping for a even playing field !!

Actually allot of people care about this subject as I wrote a article on this very topic for Muscle Mag Intl a while ago and they got more mail over this article than they have ever had !!!
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: BigAlski on January 22, 2006, 06:14:32 PM
Ya I agree Hardcore, I have a friend who's just 50 in '04 so he did the over 50 for the Cal.  But he doesn't do any steroids and it pisses him when he does natural shows that people cheat. 

Shouldn't be called natural if it is not, IMO.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Havenbull on January 22, 2006, 06:39:15 PM
Hi Sami,

Wow, 26 hrs in the air... that's long! I'd go stir crazy.
The longest I can take is a 5hr flight from Toronto to LA.

Drink PLENTY of water enroute, and walk around the plane alot if you are able to.

BTW - Did you ever visit my website http://www.jaguarenterprises.org (http://www.jaguarenterprises.org)?

its disgusting how you are
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 22, 2006, 10:35:50 PM
Acerimmer1  

 what do u mean He been ALLOWED to use drugs.!!! by whom? and who cares what he dose in his offseason? he came to the show clean? if yes then he is clean..! :)

HRDCOR  

 r u acting smart her?!  when i said i passed means i am clean and i guess it pissed u off..!!! i dont want to know why but to be frank with u am not here to argue with no one but to get the best comments which can help my bodybuilding  ;D

Prime  

 THANX

BigAlski  

  i have a friend just turned 60 and he was dieting for a Master show but he DIED  :-*

Havenbull  

 you have to LIVE with it   :D

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/MMwinners.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on January 23, 2006, 12:16:42 AM
MM PRO how much sus 250 are you on a week?
oh my bad you are natural. ::)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 23, 2006, 12:20:18 AM
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what do u mean He been ALLOWED to use drugs.!!! by whom? and who cares what he dose in his offseason? he came to the show clean? if yes then he is clean..



So if he uses Gear in the off season but comes to the show clean that makes it all ok--- that means he is a Natural Athlete, is that what you are saying ???
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 23, 2006, 01:45:39 AM

 HRDCOR

 what i mean is i dont give a Sh-- of what he is doing or any one doing in his off-season.!! how would u know if he is useing or not??!!  by test.. right?  if he or i passed dose it make u happy NO for sure so if u do a test any time in the year for me and i pass would u be happy and belive me NO so the only thing i can say GET LOST and if u r mad coz i am natural then so be it, but if u aske me i will say i am NATURAL and i know by the time u read that word u want to kill me but as i said u have to deal with it man :-*.

jeffrey

  you got that right <I AM NATURAL>  ;D

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Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 23, 2006, 03:29:31 AM
Your a Physco Retard as well as a Lying Cheat---- chezz nice combination big fella , your mum must be really proud of you, not to mention your fellow competitors whom are "honestly natural" whom have just read your posts and thought , "That bastard he bet me by lying and competting as a natural in a natural show" --- phew what a phony.

Oh well I can tell your anger is not really directed at me but at your self for having to lie your way around your Bodybuilding .

For all those whom compete as natural and are natural I applaud you, to those whom don't it must feel good to win a Plastic Trophy via lying and cheating.

Other than that MM-Pro(what ever that means)I dont give a shit either !! :D
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: tony b on January 23, 2006, 04:09:08 AM
Your a Physco Retard as well as a Lying Cheat---- chezz nice combination big fella , your mum must be really proud of you, not to mention your fellow competitors whom are "honestly natural" whom have just read your posts and thought , "That bastard he bet me by lying and competting as a natural in a natural show" --- phew what a phony.

Oh well I can tell your anger is not really directed at me but at your self for having to lie your way around your Bodybuilding .

For all those whom compete as natural and are natural I applaud you, to those whom don't it must feel good to win a Plastic Trophy via lying and cheating.

Other than that MM-Pro(what ever that means)I dont give a shit either !! :D

Well said Marc. Although I do get the feeling that this is perhaps a gimmick acount. Any how if you want to compete as a pro, compete in a non tested event against other guys who are using. Sure you feel like a big fish in a little pond now, go and try yourself against some other big fish. Otherwise what is the point. Of course a guy who has done cycles will look better than a life time natural who has not.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on January 23, 2006, 04:10:33 AM
Your a Physco Retard as well as a Lying Cheat---- chezz nice combination big fella , your mum must be really proud of you, not to mention your fellow competitors whom are "honestly natural" whom have just read your posts and thought , "That bastard he bet me by lying and competting as a natural in a natural show" --- phew what a phony.

Oh well I can tell your anger is not really directed at me but at your self for having to lie your way around your Bodybuilding .

For all those whom compete as natural and are natural I applaud you, to those whom don't it must feel good to win a Plastic Trophy via lying and cheating.

Other than that MM-Pro(what ever that means)I dont give a shit either !! :D
so true.MM PRO why u are on here proclaming to be natural and proud is beyond me.
i remember seeing a past thread where your guru alamani wrote how great he was being able to get u to beat the drug test.
stop being a bitch do some "non natural" shows and see if you win them..........i doubt it. ;D
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: aliamini on January 23, 2006, 09:24:25 AM
tested and not tested … and that is it … there is a test which follows the WADA code and they are the toughest … if u c the list u will be amazed that everything is detectable (except GH and insulin) but when u c the condition of the guys u will be amazed how they pass the test and look like this

The world amateur championship was tested … and take a look at the pix and the results to c the guys who were caught on the test.

http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/officialresults_shanghai2005.pdf
http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/shanghai2005.htm

The tests can minimize the use of drugs but cannot illuminate it … like all the other sports …

So who ever completes have to keep that in mind … cause once he steps on stage there is no mercy and no one will say this guy is on or off .. They’ll just say he looks good or he looks like shit.

jeffrey. U name a natural show and sami will do it … is there even any … the best u can get is a tested show and he did it. 

HRDCOR & tony b I think u guys are jelous or out of shape guys who just envy every successful BBer just cause he is better than u … it is good to respect others and live with the things as they are … do u think u can change anything by being haters.  U can be hated back and that is it … and try not to get involved thing u don’t know anything about it … I mean what do u guys know about how a show is done or how judging goes … do u think being natural or not really effects the judging … the judging is dons and who ever passes the test keeps his placing and who ever doesn’t looses …

I just feel sorry for u guys who don’t know what u are talking about

And just for the record … sami is natural and can be tested anytime … so if u guys can collect the money for the test … he will be more than happy to do it.

“fellow competitors whom are "honestly natural" … damn u really believe that … u are living in the twilight zone … his fellow competitors know everything and lets leave the judging to them


As for hitting the pro rank in the IFBB as I believe u meant … well u just got to wait and c … even better y don’t u read Melvin Anthony’s comment on Sami in the MD ( last month I think or the month b4 that)

P.S. MM pro means Muscle Mania Pro
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: gibberj2 on January 23, 2006, 09:53:45 AM
what i wanna know is this... in tested shows how do people who take steroids pass? for example doesn't the arnold classic test? Cutler and all those guys must pass.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: aliamini on January 23, 2006, 10:04:30 AM
what i wanna know is this... in tested shows how do people who take steroids pass? for example doesn't the arnold classic test? Cutler and all those guys must pass.

IFBB pre shows are not tested ... so they are not clean
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: gibberj2 on January 23, 2006, 10:08:30 AM
if they're not tested what's up with all the supposed rules.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: aliamini on January 23, 2006, 10:26:49 AM
if they're not tested what's up with all the supposed rules.

I think u r mixing the IFBB world amateur championship and the pro shows.  The pro shows have a lot of rules but testing is not one of them … on the other hand the amateurs shows are tested and who fails gets disqualified

Mr. Olympia was testing for diuretics only until 2001 … then they stopped because of legal issue.


Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: gibberj2 on January 23, 2006, 10:59:46 AM
so those guys who get their pro cards at national shows are tested?
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: aliamini on January 23, 2006, 12:07:42 PM
so those guys who get their pro cards at national shows are tested?

No
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 23, 2006, 12:24:37 PM

  THE GAME

  THANX  ALIAMINI for the backup ... you always there as usual... give me a call when u r back in town so we can work on the new plan, its time to PISS some others OFF by doing things NATURALY and SMARTLY ;D

 with Melvin giving me the MASK to use it in my posing when i won the PRO
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/withMelvin.jpg)

 with THE GAME  ALIAMINI
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/withmynutritionistAliAmini.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 23, 2006, 01:33:17 PM
Aliamini , you are starting to beleive in your own distruths as is MM-pro, MM-pro has all but admitted he uses gear but managed to pass the tests !!! Now you come on and say he is natural , which makes you look like his ground worshiping boy whom is prepared to lie for him as well !!!

No matter which way you wish to try and sugar coat the fact, the hard truth is it is cheating !!!

If you knowingly enter a Natural Show, and have been useing steriods/hormaonal additives to enhance your body prior to such a event , then I am afraid you are a CHEAT, thus creating a unevening playing field for those whom are genuine about there Natural stance.

As a IFBB PRO (for which I am one) I compete on a more even playing field than that of MM-pros Muscle manias win, you see as a Pro I cant complain that some one bet me because they took 500mg more suztanon than I , as we all have the same oppertunity as the guy next me ,but in Mm-pro case there are liers and cheaters right down the line ---- I would rather be genuine thank you !!!

Hence the word Natural is a scam !!!

No disrespect to those who are geniune in there natural stance !!
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: tony b on January 23, 2006, 07:10:29 PM
Aliamini , you are starting to beleive in your own distruths as is MM-pro, MM-pro has all but admitted he uses gear but managed to pass the tests !!! Now you come on and say he is natural , which makes you look like his ground worshiping boy whom is prepared to lie for him as well !!!

No matter which way you wish to try and sugar coat the fact, the hard truth is it is cheating !!!

If you knowingly enter a Natural Show, and have been useing steriods/hormaonal additives to enhance your body prior to such a event , then I am afraid you are a CHEAT, thus creating a unevening playing field for those whom are genuine about there Natural stance.

As a IFBB PRO (for which I am one) I compete on a more even playing field than that of MM-pros Muscle manias win, you see as a Pro I cant complain that some one bet me because they took 500mg more suztanon than I , as we all have the same oppertunity as the guy next me ,but in Mm-pro case there are liers and cheaters right down the line ---- I would rather be genuine thank you !!!

Hence the word Natural is a scam !!!

No disrespect to those who are geniune in there natural stance !!

Well said Marc

"the Game" is a muscle schmoe. Why would me being jealous of someone effect my moral stance on an issue. There is no way I could be jealous of someone who lies and cheats to the extent you do. You enter a natural show, you use gear, you cheat the drug test, and then think you have achieved something significant. You are fucking delusional if you believe that all this is fine.

Stop hanging off these guys nuts and actual do something worthwhile in your life. You are able to cheat a drug test so these guys win a $5 trophy against people who are truly natural. Seriously

Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: BigAlski on January 23, 2006, 07:18:01 PM
Well you look great at any rate.  I am sure you worked very hard and you deserve all the positive recognition you get.  Good luck with your upcoming training and shows.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on January 23, 2006, 10:10:09 PM
all the members of "team the game"
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 23, 2006, 10:12:04 PM
BigAlski  

 Well... thanx Alski for the words

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/L.jpg)
tony b  

 for sure u r sick...! ;D

HRDCOR  

  PRO my ass..!!!  if u have a problem to be like me Naturally then say it clear... you and the dumb Tony sound to me very upset.. chill out plz  8)  watch out for TEAM THE GAME in 2006 and try to remember these names coz u will hear alot of news about them:
1- ALI TABRIZI
2-TARIQ ALSOTOHI
3-ME :-*
4-HASSAN SALEH
5-ARAFAT

  NOW its 5 and there r more on the way.. GUESS what they r even better than me and NATRUAL so by the time u see the pix of any of them  will go nuts ;D well this is the game all about....

just a masge to ALIAMINI < try to take care of HRDCOR this year coz he is crezy about beeing Natural> :-X
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on January 23, 2006, 11:53:35 PM
HRDCOR

Hey buddy, don't waste your breath.. this aliamini guy already inferred that the dude was not natural in threads on the G&O Board.  He was bragging about getting him to pass the test earlier on and as usual when directly challenged these guys clam up and start claiming they are 100% natural. 

What a load of crap.. natural.. lolzors.




Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 24, 2006, 12:57:42 AM
Rocket

 do u understand english ???  incase u didnt read it well here what ALIAMINI said in G&O replying on 240 u dumb ass

Who said anything about cheating … people ask and I answered … what conclusions they reach is not my problem … plus everybody talks about everybody on this board … u don’t u guys talk about Jay Cutler when he got caught on Diuretics in 2001 … files a case and the whole test got cancelled … meaning he cheated over all the guys who competed … u odnt call that cheating cause he is 4 time Mr. O runner-up … but u call my athletes cheats cause bunch of no good, BBer critic wanna be say so they are considered as Cheats

Well the thing I am not is a cheat … I told all of u the truth of what is going on … I don’t put my ego ahead of everything … I tell u what is goin on in the sport … so instead of being thankful and learn what u don’t know … u guys are bothered about the judges and the official who visit the board … since when did that make any difference … u think they don’t know …

I hope the judges make it to the boards and read what is going on … cause from the looks of the judges I saw in IFBB world amateur championship … some of them couldn’t even speak English.  So how in hell can they keep up with the evolution of the sport
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on January 24, 2006, 03:50:36 AM
hey sami,it's that time............
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: 24KT on January 24, 2006, 05:10:21 AM

jaguarenterprises  

yeah it is toooo long but i got no options, and its worth it.... REALLY thanx for the advice i shall work on it when i am heading Miami this june and i shall VISIT ur web site today....

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/MMfront.jpg)


<LOL> Sami, I wasn't asking you to visit, I was asking if you had already visited it?
Someone from Bahrain has been going all throughout my website. I was puzzled because I've been wondering how on earth did someone in Bahrain find my site, so when you mentioned you are from there, I thought perhaps it had been you.

Wow, ...VERY impressive physique! Your hard work definitely shows!
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on January 24, 2006, 05:17:39 AM
Rocket

 do u understand english ???  incase u didnt read it well here what ALIAMINI said in G&O replying on 240 u dumb ass

Who said anything about cheating … people ask and I answered … what conclusions they reach is not my problem … plus everybody talks about everybody on this board … u don’t u guys talk about Jay Cutler when he got caught on Diuretics in 2001 … files a case and the whole test got cancelled … meaning he cheated over all the guys who competed … u odnt call that cheating cause he is 4 time Mr. O runner-up … but u call my athletes cheats cause bunch of no good, BBer critic wanna be say so they are considered as Cheats

Well the thing I am not is a cheat … I told all of u the truth of what is going on … I don’t put my ego ahead of everything … I tell u what is goin on in the sport … so instead of being thankful and learn what u don’t know … u guys are bothered about the judges and the official who visit the board … since when did that make any difference … u think they don’t know …

I hope the judges make it to the boards and read what is going on … cause from the looks of the judges I saw in IFBB world amateur championship … some of them couldn’t even speak English.  So how in hell can they keep up with the evolution of the sport

He said a lot of things in a lot of posts and that post is  not what I'm talking about.

I understand english perfectly.  Atleast enough to point out that team "the game" makes no sense and is broken english.

Your friend was very coy and cocky at one stage on the G&O board.

There is no way you are natural, what a load of bullshit.

That is all.

Oh and HRDCOR is a pro.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on January 24, 2006, 05:27:27 AM
Hah, I just had to continue this,  sometimes going back through the past posts is just too funny.

"Cheat their way … well thank you … that’s compliment to me … how to manipulate your way around the doping test is an art of science and that is what I did and I am happy and proud … once you get in my shoes you will know what I mean … but that is too much for you to handle I guess"

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=44134.msg717025#msg717025

"I never said I helped them cheat … I helped them play THE GAME the way it should be … and I don’t like to bullshit like other Natural claimed BBers … the samples were taken and test was done so what more do you want.

The IFBB world Amateur championship is a tested show … and do you think they are all drug free … no they know their way around the test … the WADA has stated several times that they can’t do anything about and that is the best way things can go … so do u expect me to play it differently. "


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=44134.msg718180#msg718180


"Has anyone tried trenbolone pills 25mg ??

How long does it saty detectable in the system??"


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=43276.msg698192#msg698192

"This is a vet Trenbolon + masteron from Australia … I have tried it … worked fine but don’t know if it is as it is mentioned or not.

What bothers me is how did they dissolve 75mg tren + 100 mg masteron in 1 ml.  if it is either of thenm I am happy … I just hope it is not deca … so if anyone has experience on this … shoot"


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=43504.msg703369#msg703369


Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 24, 2006, 05:41:21 AM
jaguarenterprises  

   thanx again.. it was not me who was visiting ur web site but i did after u told me :D

rocket  

  i really dont care what others say or might say man.. and i didnt disrespact u or HRDCOR.. IF he is a PRO he wouldnt say all that....  and if u got any problem with ALIAMINI u can face him not me.. am here to come up with some info for my next long trip show and how to deal with water intake no to face fighters!!  and YES i am Natural now and for the whole year i didnt use any thing coz i was tested befor the show 3 moths and the date of the arrival and after the pre-judging and as i said i dont want to talk about what i did in my PAST but i am free Drugs..... plus i have been training for 14 years.
 
  IF  u have any advice for me just shooot but if u want to attack me plz i had enough :'(

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/SamiAlHadad018.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on January 24, 2006, 05:56:41 AM
jaguarenterprises  

   thanx again.. it was not me who was visiting ur web site but i did after u told me :D

rocket  

  i really dont care what others say or might say man.. and i didnt disrespact u or HRDCOR.. IF he is a PRO he wouldnt say all that....  and if u got any problem with ALIAMINI u can face him not me.. am here to come up with some info for my next long trip show and how to deal with water intake no to face fighters!!  and YES i am Natural now and for the whole year i didnt use any thing coz i was tested befor the show 3 moths and the date of the arrival and after the pre-judging and as i said i dont want to talk about what i did in my PAST but i am free Drugs..... plus i have been training for 14 years.
 
  IF  u have any advice for me just shooot but if u want to attack me plz i had enough :'(

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/SamiAlHadad018.jpg)

Nobody is disrespecting you, we're just saying you're not natural.

And he's your nutritionist who happened to be showing your pics in some of the threads I quoted talking about your victory.  You can't distance yourself here.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 24, 2006, 10:18:55 AM

rocket  

 well .... if my Nutritionist pissed u off do u have to smoke me up...!!  i guess i said i am natural and u didnt like it, still i do respact that but dont disrespact me coz i didnt.... plus u can say what ever u want about ur self and i wont disrespact u but i will tell u what i think in a nice way not calling me some names!!!  any how i am still NATURAL  ;D so  PLZ dont be mad.....
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 24, 2006, 01:05:42 PM
Why wouldn't I make the comments and observations that I have done, due to my Pro status !!!

Just because I am a Pro does not mean I agree with the Hypocrisy that is in our sport!!

Every one has the choice to take gear or not, that is a  moral issue to be decided on a individual basis, and I am for Pro Choice and respect each individuals personal choice !!

But where I draw the line is where individuals like MM-Pro blur the line of choice, thus making the decision of the individual harder to make .

Natural shows evolved based on this line of choice, people wanted to compete on a playing field even to their stance on this matter, but individuals like MM-pro ruining it for these people by there dishonest approach to this subject.

By the actions of people like MM-pro natural body building and its titles will never hold the respect it should do, people simply do not trust the status of Natural , and MM-pro is directly responsable for this type of delema.

By doing what you do MM-pro you show great disrespect to your "true natural" fellow competitors and in fact you seem to be laughing in there face , sure you might say the system is set up to be able to cheat , but only a cheat would want to cheat the system !!!

This is not a jealousy thing for I have no insecurities to be a jealous man, never have , I admire and praise where ever possible (like I did with my fist post with you )but the reality is ,I have a strong opinion about this subject and like most respect a bit of honesty in this dishonest sport of ours !!!

But heres a Question for you MM-pro I have been clean for over 2 years now , plus I also have the knowledge on how to pass a drug test,so If I got myself ready for a show ,say the Muscle Mania as I decided to for go my pro status and "Turn Natural" and I cleaned up and won every thing --- would that be ok in your book ??
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 24, 2006, 01:32:05 PM
HRDCOR  

 i agree for all what u said and i do respact that..... but the question u asked me i want u to asnwer it for me..................! and u know what i mean,, its not that hard to answer it but i want to see ur point of view on this as a PRO
   
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on January 24, 2006, 01:59:45 PM
MM-Pro

I wasn't pissed off by him no, I'm just point out there are contradictions in what has been said here and what was said then.  I'm going to let it go now anyway.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 24, 2006, 02:00:46 PM
I would not do it , no way could I !!! I do not think that after years of using gear and gaining a greater lean muscle mass than that I could have natural , then cleaning out to pass a test ,to be fair and just !!

I don't need another trophy( I won over 30 of them as a armature)and I certainly don't need another title or the lime light, my view's on this subject would not allow me to do it.

Sure the rules would let me do it , but that doesn't make it right in my book !!

Naturals shows evolved for Naturals, and thats the way it should be in my book !!

So whats your veiw ???? honestly!!
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 24, 2006, 02:22:44 PM
HRDCOR  

  i agree with u %100  BUT  can u have a look at any NATRUAL show??!! what do u see? PLZ just answer me... they might be clean but they was having a past... it dosent mean if u was in roids befor u have to be for ever, do show not Natural and be smoked coz its not right in ur boook..! here is one pic from the show that i won as NATRUAL and Dived next to me... he is Natural got 3rd what do u think of him?  is he Natural? he was about 235 pounds??!! to me he is Natural if he passed the test  ??? but i really want ur answer about him.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/MMwinners.jpg)

and here with Morris got 2nd dose he look Natural to u>?

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/morrisandme.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Jr. Yates on January 24, 2006, 02:54:44 PM
thats a tough one to say
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on January 24, 2006, 03:24:21 PM
HRDCOR  

  i agree with u %100  BUT  can u have a look at any NATRUAL show??!! what do u see? PLZ just answer me... they might be clean but they was having a past... it dosent mean if u was in roids befor u have to be for ever, do show not Natural and be smoked coz its not right in ur boook..! here is one pic from the show that i won as NATRUAL and Dived next to me... he is Natural got 3rd what do u think of him?  is he Natural? he was about 235 pounds??!! to me he is Natural if he passed the test  ??? but i really want ur answer about him.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/MMwinners.jpg)

and here with Morris got 2nd dose he look Natural to u>?

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/morrisandme.jpg)

so your point is you are all cheats.
get some balls and enter an npc show ::)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 25, 2006, 04:07:26 AM

  HRDCOR  

  hey man.. No matter what i say and agree with u still u r hard on me.. so i guess u hate me by a human Nature!!  :-\    still fine with me..... regarding the guys in MuscleMania i didnt say they cheats :-X  who ever pass the test means Natural to me, my be its not to u but thats how it goes.. Natural show, guys must be tested under tough commite and who ever pass is clean in the show...

  dont worry am working on doing the NPC this year if things going well with me....

Sam
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on January 25, 2006, 07:33:53 AM
MM-Pro,

Aat some time during this thread you started to tell him you were better than him and you were natural.  He was hardly going to play nice hearing that.  I never said anything in this thread until the taunts started either.  I just came to set the record straight because I had seen what had been said in other threads by your nutritionist. 

Anyway, its fair enough to be against people who are not really clean participating in natural shows.  Now I agree with you that it is also true that almost every one of them are not clean and you are hardly doing something that is not done by everybody else, but the point he (HRDCOR) was making was a little bit more than individually against you.  Its more than you, its every guy up there, and the federations that condone this who force everybody to play the game because they don't enforce this.

Good luck on the NPC stuff, and remember, we didn't say you were not natural for a reason, you have a very good physique.

Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Darren Avey on January 25, 2006, 09:21:35 AM
LMAO yeh im sure you re natural  ::)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 25, 2006, 02:54:37 PM
Darren Avey

  thanx for believing me but what is LMAO means?!!

rocket  

  thanx man i started to like u ;D  and about the NPC do u think its a Natural show?! is it test show? just to let u know one thing that i never been in US ever and this time was my first when i did the Musclemania in L.A and photo shooting in Miami... it was great and i shall come again and again......

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/smm106av.jpg)  (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/smm48jr.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Acerimmer1 on January 26, 2006, 06:32:12 PM
Acerimmer1  

 what do u mean He been ALLOWED to use drugs.!!! by whom? and who cares what he dose in his offseason? he came to the show clean? if yes then he is clean..! :)


Clean yes!

Natural :o


Since you suggest it's okay to do steroids off-season but say you are natural I'm confused.

Have you never used growth drugs (eg steroids)?
If you have then how long had you been clean when the photos were done?
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: nzmusclemonster on January 26, 2006, 07:37:31 PM
MMPRO you aint foolin anyone buddy. your as clean as a piece of used toilet paper
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on January 26, 2006, 09:17:51 PM
MMPRO you aint foolin anyone buddy. your as clean as a piece of used toilet paper

What if it was a holy grail*

*a term I coined to refer to the joyous moment when you "survey the carnage" - that is, view the paper that has been wiped upon your glorious posterior and discover that the virginal white has been upspoiled by your dirty rear end.

Days that start off with holy grails are guaranteed to be good.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: nzmusclemonster on January 26, 2006, 09:27:55 PM
What if it was a holy grail*

*a term I coined to refer to the joyous moment when you "survey the carnage" - that is, view the paper that has been wiped upon your glorious posterior and discover that the virginal white has been upspoiled by your dirty rear end.

Days that start off with holy grails are guaranteed to be good.

ah glorious indeed! however in this case id say this guy is like what remains after diahorrea
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 27, 2006, 05:35:41 AM
Acerimmer1

  i mean the Whole year clean......!!! and as i told u i dont care what other bodybuiler do in the offseason but i am clean the whole time   ;).....

  YES... i did Steroids befor :o and thats was my PAST which i was saying all time i dont want to talk about it coz its behind.. BUT the whole 2005 i did nothing but clean things.. i really dont care if u believe me or not but thats my last reply on this subject regarding clean or not..  and i am not saying i will be clean all time.. i am trying it and its HARD but still there is results, but if i am doing the NPC or any other tough shows i guess i will have to load up my self again.... i cant be more honest than this down here...

  i got a masg from a Pro  top 6 in Mr.O asking me to ignor all the posts and masgs.... he told me why he is not replying on no one here but still some times u need to clear things up to others :-\

nzmusclemonster , rocket  

  i cant LOWER my self to urs coz my family didnt teach me that.!!! but any how its great comments  :-*
and from now on i shall keep reading ONLY ;D and never post nothing in here coz no matter what u say still some others disagree ;)

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/Sami2004.jpg)   (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/withAhmedHaidar.jpg)      (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/SamiDJkuwait.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 27, 2006, 12:04:10 PM
The truth of the matter is MM-pro , you came on getbig trying to get some recognition and all you got was questioned about your ideals and stance to natural bodybuilding, you proved to all that you have no respect for the title and your fellow athletes in the natural federation, it was just a way for you to get a trophy and a title----- but so be it , it is your bed , you made it , so now you lie in it, so as you go about prepearing for next show in the NPC I wish you luck, but I hope you get your arse kicked by someone who was taking 3 x the amount of gear you have been taking , at least then you may know how it kinda feels for the natural guys you bet at the muscle mania !!!

We reap what we sow !!
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 27, 2006, 01:10:30 PM

 HRDCOR  

 i dont know if u r really PRO bodybuilder or not ???   if YES  (do i look better than YOU?!  :o) coz to me and to others it sound like that.................!    if NOT   (did i beat u in any show??)  you seem to me VERY upset on ME personally.... any how, its just a forum and u never know who is under this Nick name HRDCOR.!! my be sex movies director or member in Golds Gym :-X <never know>... whatever it is try to be busy with some thing els ;)

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/inHollywood.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 27, 2006, 01:40:21 PM
I guess you could call it a personal attack as I just dont agree with your stance to this whole thing , but shit if we were buddys I would be telling this to your face , (its not that i dislike you hell I dont know you and i think you bod is great)I just dont like your reasonings on this subject thats all, I think the Naturals should be just that Naturals, thats why they were invented in the first place, and I think alot of people who are reading this agree with me !!!

Take it what ever way you like, but thats just how I see it-----

and as far as me being a Pro , well you will just have to take my word on that , just like the people in the audiance took your word you were natural at the muscle mania !!

Other wise we are cool bro !! ;)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: aliamini on January 27, 2006, 10:44:41 PM
Who cares if u agree or not … do u really think we do give a shit about what u think.

Pro my ass … it is clear that u r a guy somewhere who is pissed of his miserable life and is fed up of being out of shape … so all u can do is mock other good bodybuilders.  Grow up and do something useful with your pathetic life.

I would have took your word for being a pro … but u know nothing about BBing, so nothing personal  but it is pretty tough to believe that … actually its impossible to believe that.

Kick you r ass in the NPC … ya right … keep on dreaming (at least dreaming will be better than the bullshit u r doing at the moment)


Take it what ever way you like, but thats just how I see it-----

Other wise we are cool bro !!   ;)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on January 27, 2006, 11:00:40 PM
Who cares if u agree or not … do u really think we do give a shit about what u think.

Pro my ass … it is clear that u r a guy somewhere who is pissed of his miserable life and is fed up of being out of shape … so all u can do is mock other good bodybuilders.  Grow up and do something useful with your pathetic life.

I would have took your word for being a pro … but u know nothing about BBing, so nothing personal  but it is pretty tough to believe that … actually its impossible to believe that.

Kick you r ass in the NPC … ya right … keep on dreaming (at least dreaming will be better than the bullshit u r doing at the moment)


Take it what ever way you like, but thats just how I see it-----

Other wise we are cool bro !!   ;)

i used to think sarcasm was the biggest dickhead on get big,but with that post suddenly there is a new contender.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on January 27, 2006, 11:03:55 PM
and can someone tell me why that cheat guy has to put a pic on the end of every post????????dude you are not that impressive. :-*
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on January 28, 2006, 06:42:36 AM
Who cares if u agree or not … do u really think we do give a shit about what u think.

Pro my ass … it is clear that u r a guy somewhere who is pissed of his miserable life and is fed up of being out of shape … so all u can do is mock other good bodybuilders.  Grow up and do something useful with your pathetic life.

I would have took your word for being a pro … but u know nothing about BBing, so nothing personal  but it is pretty tough to believe that … actually its impossible to believe that.

Kick you r ass in the NPC … ya right … keep on dreaming (at least dreaming will be better than the bullshit u r doing at the moment)


Take it what ever way you like, but thats just how I see it-----

Other wise we are cool bro !!   ;)


If you watched the board a bit more you would know that he is/was a pro.  Not that that has any real relevance to this topic of course.  Even john smith from down the street could see through this thread to the point.

I sincerly doubt your hasty judgement of the situation is going to be taken badly.  Exactly what facts are you basing your opinion on to assume he is not a pro?
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 29, 2006, 09:18:44 PM
rocket  how did u judge on HRDCOR is a PRO??!! only by reading his posts??!!  and the same way with me, u judge on me that i am not natural coz the way u see it and think??!!  DAMN .....ALIAMINI was right and i guess he smoked u all and he knows how to deal with u guys ;D
HRDCOR
  you better watch what u r saying coz its showing the real picture of u!!  if u r really a pro then its a FUCKED UP PRO, and if not which is am sure is not and agree with ALIAMINI then GOD be with u man.... but u r doing a good job in the forum ;)
jeffrey do u have a problem on showing my pix?? god damn u got nothing els to talk about dumb ass.... i know one thing, the time the HATERS  sees my pix they get more fire in thier ASS  so let them BURN
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/SamiPro.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on January 30, 2006, 04:28:37 PM
MM-Pro , I wouldnt be so concerned about my pro status , I would be more worried about the dishonesty you and your friend aliamini have shown to the Natural Federations you have competed in , mind you I guess we can not expect to much remorse as you and aliamini seem very proud of your selfs by being abel to cheat the system.

You guys just dont get it do you, its not about your body MM-pro its about you and your mates attidudes on this subject--- why dont you try and justify to us your approach to this matter rather than being all "hateing' about it , for that is a justification I would love to hear !!
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on January 31, 2006, 10:17:45 PM
 HRDCOR
i wouldnt be so concern about u beeing a PRO,, but for sure u r a pro in some thing els like beng bong sport or chess coz i dont think Pro bodybuilder would think like that :o
  and when did i said or ALIAMINI that  i beated a drug test?! and wake up man its 2006 and at this time people can say what ever they want and if u dont have any thing to show what they r saying is wrong i guess u have to shut the F--- UP till u got one, about me i got 3 test results, 1# befor the show 40 days,2#  upon my arrival to musclemania in L.A , 3# after the prejuding  ;D
  CAN U TELL ME WHAT THE HELL U CAN USE AT THIS TIME?!!! so that means if i want to use some thing and do that show i have to stop every thing 4-5 months out of the show right?  so can u tell me Mr. Pro how would u manage that?  to me i said it the whole 2005 i am clean NOT 5months. can i ask u small thing to do?!!  i want u to do a test!! NOT a doping test, there is a new test could show and indicate if u r REAL PRO OR FAKE :-X
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/bye.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: aliamini on January 31, 2006, 10:33:26 PM
We are not concerned about your pro status … I have reached to a conclusion that you might be a pro in another sport not BBing … but who cares.

We didn’t cheat the system of the natural federation … we just went with the system and did it the way everyone does it (u should know if u r a pro BBer … guess not)

No one is able to cheat and every one has the same chance o winning and the same chance of passing the test.  You just have to have the right tools. 

The secret of BBing is … there is no secret … and knowledge is the power … so it is fair for everyone and no one is cheating.

My attitude was I answered every question without hesitation and was honest in all my answers … then lightening struck and u  thought that is heating … well if u cant understand the system than … as I always say “don’t hate THE GAME if u r a bad player”   

No one is “hating” about anything we are just answering you the way you ask … so if u are polite we r and if u r not … guess what

And that is the justification to our attitude toward the subject

No hard feelings.

Love Team THE GAME,


Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on January 31, 2006, 10:55:32 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on February 01, 2006, 01:43:44 AM
If HRDCOR himself doesn't feel the need to confirm whether he's a pro I'm not going to do the work.  Shit, it doesn't matter who he is, his opinion is valid.  You don't like it of course but you're just another group of guys turning up to natural comps despite the fact you've been using juice.
Like I said earlier, most guys at that show are undoubtably doing the same (getting around the test) but fact remains its posts like this from your pal that make things quite clear.
"Has anyone tried trenbolone pills 25mg ??
How long does it saty detectable in the system??"

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=43276.msg698192#msg698192
What you're doing is fine by the rules of the competition, but you are not natural and that is the one and only point being made to you here.  No amount of alluding to how you are quite creative with chemical warfare in order to win the competition makes your argument any better.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: liberty on February 01, 2006, 02:59:52 AM
Just my 2 cents
I did 3 Musclemania Atlantic shows as a master (non pro)
All of them were polygraph tested.You had to be drug free for 5 years.
I seen some guys that were not allowed to compete due to test results.
They weren't too pissed off though as there are many other shows around the end of april. I've always been totally natural but have been in may 'tested shows' where not everyone was natural.But isn't  that really bodybuilding??Always trying to beat the system. Don't get me wrong...I respect the guys that use ....its just there choice.
Its pathetic anyways...I been natural for a year...I been natural for two years...I been natural for three years...I'm natural but used andro products.
I took the poly and they didn't ask about clen so I passed....
Won't there always be new methods to beat the tests whether its urine or poly?
To be honest I've done about 6 non tested NPC shows and always done better than the natural tested shows because the judging was much better.
And I agree with the pics man.....one pic or a link would have been enough.
No wonder why Ron's server has been buried.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on February 01, 2006, 04:41:31 PM
Liberty I am not questioning the system as we all know it is flawed ,I am questioning the moral fortitude of individuals whom take advantage of the flawed system thus makeing it near impossible for the natural athlete to have a even playing field,(as you have wittnessed) in fact if the system is so flawed why have a natural show in the first place !!!.I would realy like to beleive the natural movement came togther for the honest naturals to be abel to compete against there pairs !!!
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: hangclean on February 02, 2006, 10:24:35 PM
My question is, why do they even have natural shows when there is always a way around the test?  This guy is not natural and he knows he is a fraud.  If he wants to keep calling himself natural so be it, all the other guys he competes against in these "natural" shows are doing the exact same thing so it doesnt hurt anybody.  In fact I would go so far to say that anyone doing these shows naturally is wasting their time.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: aliamini on February 03, 2006, 01:55:42 AM
Is it a crime to ask about drugs … I asked about something in the Steroids forum … which was relevant … what the catch in that … I am just trying to understand the weird world that u r livin in

Hardcor: u are questioning the moral in the individuals … y don’t u question you morals and don’t get into others business


Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on February 05, 2006, 04:20:27 AM
Is it a crime to ask about drugs … I asked about something in the Steroids forum … which was relevant … what the catch in that … I am just trying to understand the weird world that u r livin in
Hardcor: u are questioning the moral in the individuals … y don’t u question you morals and don’t get into others business
Why resort to playing dumb when you're called out?  On one hand you're trying to come off as someone who is a guru at this type of thing (passing the test) and on the other trying to feed people bullshit when you're called on previous claims.

With this territory you have to accept that there will be people like HRDCOR who have this opinion.  Its foolish to argue with them as they clearly have a point.  Your boy is not natural.  The test given to you to decide whether you can be disqualified is not the be all and end all of the definition of natural.

As soon as you've dipped into the steroid toolkit you're not a natural.  You don't deserve to be in a natural competition.  In a perfect world that would happen - and contests that allowed non naturals to slip through the gaps would have their "natural" status removed but hey, right now we're just a bunch of guys wasting time arguing over semantics.  You know what natural is.

Good luck with the NPC mm
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: HRDCOR on February 08, 2006, 02:03:50 PM
Alamini and MM-pro you are just as bad as each other,

BOTTOM LINE: You both have proved to all that you are dishonest and lack moral fortitude when it comes to this situation of being Natural.

You are well with in rights to make the choices you have made , but do your selfs a favour and stick by your choices like men and take the consiquencies of your actions( you guys came on the forum in the first place) and stop trying to pull the wool over peoples eyes and for goodness sake stop contradicting your selfs in the process.

In regards to my morals , you will find they are very well in check and that I do not/have not attempted to lie and cheat my way to winning a plastic trophy and a tittle and I have won over 32 of them through out my time, all of them have been won on a even playing field with no dishonesty involved what so ever.

It all comes down to the respect one has in one self, and you guys seem to lack respect in your selfs as you have tried to justify your actions with reasoning when I would have never done such actions in the first place and that is probibly the graux of it all right there ,MM-pro is trying to get some respect (hence all the photos he puts up of hymself) as he has found he hasnt gained much respect from his Muscle Mania win due to his dishonest approach to the show, with the help of his ground worshiper Aliamini !!!

That just about covers it realy !!! ;)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on February 11, 2006, 03:02:12 AM
 HRDCOR  let me ask u some thing.. R U NATURAL? if no then get lost coz u know nothing about beeing Natural like me. if yes then u r fucking lier like when u said u r PRO.!!! in which sport? god knows :-X having a problem with posting my pix!!  PLZ do me a favor, why dont u post ur pix next to my pix and let clear to others why u r PAIN IN THE ASS. ;D coz u r a PRO <as u said> and won 100 shows and still i am better than u as a NATURAL MUSCLEMANIA CHAMPION  :)  so it burn ur ass to see my photos ha? well here is some and let me see ur reply on them  ::) by the way you r no body to me to gain ur respact, i got all the respact i need and if u want to make sure Mr. PRO check my web site: www.samialhaddad.com
That just about covers it realy !!!  :P
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/SamiAlHadad029.jpg)
(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/SamiAlHadad025.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on February 11, 2006, 04:21:22 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on February 11, 2006, 09:29:23 AM
jeffrey
  i forgot to ask u .. R U <HRDCOR> BITCH??!! ;D
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on February 11, 2006, 03:54:46 PM
sami and his drug guru..........
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on February 11, 2006, 03:56:31 PM
jeffrey
  i forgot to ask u .. R U <HRDCOR> BITCH??!! ;D
yes i am hardcore,but i'm not marc rainbow ;)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: Sami The Black-smith on February 11, 2006, 10:01:26 PM
 jeffrey :-*
just for the visitors and the readers with the memebrs to know If you're a regular on the Go Figure Bulletin Board then you
might've noticed the name of Marc Rainbow. Marc is an experienced bodybuilder and is passionate about the sport.
He has lots to say about a lot of things.
After all Marc is a legend didn't you know?
38 year old Marc began his contest career as a 20 year old in NZ winning the Southern Classic as a jnr and the South Island Champs
as a jnr before going to Australia. Over the next 7 years in Aus
he competed mainly in the u80kg and won most amateur contests
in Australia in that class. Fake Pro HRDCOR  and his Bitch jeffrey love to keep bullshiting on any thing just coz they r no body and has nothing in hand like others
MARC  competed in 25 shows. His career highlights have been winning
the WPF Mr Australia, and getting runner up IFBB Australia to
Lee Priest. In NZ he won the Cental Nth Is twice and the
Mr NZ title twice ;D
  WELL I WILL BE PROUD TO BE HIM BETTER THAN A BITCH!!!  so u r GAY now ???  <OMG>
  (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/SamiAlHadad015.jpg)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on February 11, 2006, 10:58:36 PM
jeffrey :-*
just for the visitors and the readers with the memebrs to know If you're a regular on the Go Figure Bulletin Board then you
might've noticed the name of Marc Rainbow. Marc is an experienced bodybuilder and is passionate about the sport.
He has lots to say about a lot of things.
After all Marc is a legend didn't you know?
38 year old Marc began his contest career as a 20 year old in NZ winning the Southern Classic as a jnr and the South Island Champs
as a jnr before going to Australia. Over the next 7 years in Aus
he competed mainly in the u80kg and won most amateur contests
in Australia in that class. Fake Pro HRDCOR  and his Bitch jeffrey love to keep bullshiting on any thing just coz they r no body and has nothing in hand like others
MARC  competed in 25 shows. His career highlights have been winning
the WPF Mr Australia, and getting runner up IFBB Australia to
Lee Priest. In NZ he won the Cental Nth Is twice and the
Mr NZ title twice ;D
  WELL I WILL BE PROUD TO BE HIM BETTER THAN A BITCH!!!  so u r GAY now ???  <OMG>
  (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e143/musclemania2005/SamiAlHadad015.jpg)
hey cheat can you get an interpreter before you post again please. ;)
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: aliamini on February 11, 2006, 11:14:05 PM
sami and his drug guru..........

Which 1 am I ??
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: rocket on February 17, 2006, 07:42:03 PM
Ok I've been away for a week now but I'm glad that mm-pro has unveiled the truth of this matter.

I had no idea that this fake pro HRDCOR was marauding as a legend such as Marc Rainbow.

I met Marc Rainbow once and he looked at me and my pants immediately spontaneously combusted with just how awesome he was
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: 240 is Back on February 17, 2006, 09:48:37 PM
Team Game,

You're all disgraces to this sport.  Your pride and ignorance are disgusting. 
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: jeffrey. on February 17, 2006, 10:04:46 PM
hey cheat how did you get that gyno?
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: CQ on February 20, 2006, 08:33:56 AM
Sami & Alamini - Hrdcor is a pro and you are embarrassing yourself with your assertions he is not.

Also Sami - there is no need to post anymore pics thank you.

And, since you are not natural as you have admitted that you have used in the past, why don't you just cut the crap and compete in the NPC.
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: bigforfun on February 22, 2006, 12:49:52 PM
he got the gyno taking natural.....steroids, jajaja,
Title: Re: How to control the Water Retention while flying?!
Post by: tony b on February 22, 2006, 09:59:43 PM
he got the gyno taking natural.....steroids, jajaja,

lol. Marcos you are a funny guy  ;D