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Wow.
Bundy Ranch Militia Considered Using Women As Human Shields
The Blaze, the conservative news site affiliated with Glenn Beck, flagged the comments made Monday by Richard Mack, identified as a former Arizona sheriff who had joined more than 1,000 other protesters alongside Cliven Bundy, who has been feuding with BLM over his use of federal land to graze his cattle.
“We were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front,” Mack said in a Fox News clip pulled by The Blaze. “If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers.”
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quite the gentlemen. women to the front of the line
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I read that too.
Cowardly, but it would be extremely politically effective to show the feds firing on unarmed women.
I have mixed feelings about it. I personally could never put an unarmed women between myself and the line of fire for political gain.
BUT, I see the point... it would have shown the whole country that the feds didn't give a fuck about killing unarmed women protesters. (Obviously they did, not only did the feds have no way to win, but the agents themselves surely were grumbling about refusing to pull the trigger on some bullshit orders by their bosses who were effectively bullying some civilians.)
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I would like to say I'm surprised,but I'm not.no better than saddam hussein
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I would like to say I'm surprised,but I'm not.no better than saddam hussein
No - you are not any better than Saddam Hussein - correct.
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Just another right wing crybaby who can't deal with the fact that the federal government has certain rights regarding federally owned land
and then, after losing in court, turned to what appears to be terrorism and "thuggish" behaviour (bombing, armed intimidation,etc..)
the only reason the government backed down for now was for the safety of their employees from these nuts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-long-fight-between-cliven-bundy-and-the-federal-government/
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Just another right wing crybaby who can't deal with the fact that the federal government has certain rights regarding federally owned land
and then, after losing in court, turned to what appears to be terrorism and "thuggish" behaviour (bombing, armed intimidation,etc..)
the only reason the government backed down for now was for the safety of their employees from these nuts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-long-fight-between-cliven-bundy-and-the-federal-government/
Yeah, I'm sure that's the only reason. I'm sure it had nothing to do with shooting women and civilian protesters on live TV. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the agents in the field not wanting to blast their own people.
I'm sure it was 'only' for their guys 'safety' (clearly you've never worked for the Fed/Military)
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Yeah, I'm sure that's the only reason. I'm sure it had nothing to do with shooting women and civilian protesters on live TV. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the agents in the field not wanting to blast their own people.
I'm sure it was 'only' for their guys 'safety' (clearly you've never worked for the Fed/Military)
I guess you haven't seen the videos of the violent and aggressive behaviour of the so called protesters ?
It would make perfect sense to avoid ANYONE getting injured in the short term over this
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I guess you haven't seen the videos of the violent and aggressive behaviour of the so called protesters ?
It would make perfect sense to avoid ANYONE getting injured in the short term over this
Trust me when I tell you that the people actually calling the shots give exactly 0 fuck about the boots on the ground.
It's all political for 99% of them.
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Trust me when I tell you that the people actually calling the shots give exactly 0 fuck about the boots on the ground.
It's all political for 99% of them.
why exactly would I trust you on that?
from the link I posted (and this seems like a perfectly reasonable response given these cattle grazing is not a life-threatening situation worthy of violence and it seems like the nutters were trying to incite violence)
BLM decides not to enforce their court order: "Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public."
sorry, I'm not going to buy into the nut job conspiracy theorists ( and I have seen the videos of the "protesters" acting very aggressive and violent and some of them are armed)
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http://scgnews.com/bundy-ranch-what-youre-not-being-told (http://scgnews.com/bundy-ranch-what-youre-not-being-told)
This sums things up pretty well
"It wasn't the greatest atrocity of the decade or even of the year. I wish people had felt this moved by the NSA's domestic spying program, or the secret kill list, or the drone program, or the Libyan war, or the Iraq war or the Afghan war. I wish people had been activated by something bigger than the plight of a cattle rancher. But you know what? We don't get to pick the breaking point."
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no shit. great points guys.
this rancher is starting to look like a bum. the protesters are starting to look like terr'ists... putting the WOMEN up front so they'd be beaten by the govt.
Unreal. Might as well toss some newborns into the front line so we can get some really good coverage, huh? DISGUSTING. Put the women out front, so they're the ones hurt in this battle we're initiating by BLOCKING THE ROAD and refusing to move to the protest zone NOT ON THE HIGHWAY.
Maybe a few cars can run over the ladies you placed in the street. That's be great national press. You fcking IDIOT.
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why exactly would I trust you on that?
from the link I posted (and this seems like a perfectly reasonable response given these cattle grazing is not a life-threatening situation worthy of violence and it seems like the nutters were trying to incite violence)
sorry, I'm not going to buy into the nut job conspiracy theorists ( and I have seen the videos of the "protesters" acting very aggressive and violent and some of them are armed)
I dont give a fuck what you believe, but if you think they backed down because they were scared their boots on the ground were going to get hurt...
Well, I have some Oceanview property in Idaho to sell you, cheap.
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If anyone thinks the heavily armed police didn't "take on" the protesters because they were "scared", you're not that bright.
They didn't want to murder a bunch of people who were protesting. That's great. Sure, ask them to move their asses from the road, that's reasonable. You can protest without holding up traffic.
They were smart not to fire on the crowd. But now they know who the crowd is. Their faces, names, cells, license plates - they've played their cards. They wanted to get their asses (rather, the women in the crowds' asses) beaten so they could go on TV and play the victim.
The police were smart enough NOT to engage their terrorist tactic - and YES, it was a fcking shady move that terrorists do. If you want to be a protester and take an ass-whooping for your cause and show america what kind of jack booted thugs the police are - YES, you do that. But to strategically send WOMEN to the front line so they can take the beatdown for you?
total punk move. Disgusting. I can see why the Blaze hid the story.
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I dont give a fuck what you believe, but if you think they backed down because they were scared their boots on the ground were going to get hurt...
Well, I have some Oceanview property in Idaho to sell you, cheap.
the feeling is mutual and of course there is absolutely no reason why I should just "trust you" or your opinion just because you say so
just looking at the facts without getting emotional clearly supports the premise to not escalate with a bunch of nuts (many who are armed and have already been aggressive and are itching for a confrontation) over a bunch of cattle
of course I would not expect the average right wing "GetBigger" to understand that
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(many who are armed and have already been aggressive and are itching for a confrontation) over a bunch of cattle
I dont think they really wanted to mix it up with the feds. I'm not sure they wanted to fight.
Otherwise they would have been at the front of the line.
Rather, they wanted to see women beaten. Maybe some lose teeth. Maybe even get a few of them killed. Cause dead/beaten women would further their agenda. They admitted they were cool with that. Crowd was organized so the most women could be beaten or even killed.
Maybe they can load up the front line with children next time. Or handicapped people. Oh, maybe handicapped children. Female handicapped children. Maybe those cowards would get the most political mileage out of that.
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the feeling is mutual and of course there is absolutely no reason why I should just "trust you" or your opinion just because you say so
just looking at the facts without getting emotional clearly supports the premise to not escalate with a bunch of nuts (many who are armed and have already been aggressive and are itching for a confrontation) over a bunch of cattle
of course I would not expect the average right wing "GetBigger" to understand that
that's not at all what you argued originally. You completely changed the argument. But whatever, I'm certainly beyond wasting my breath arguing with you.
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that's not at all what you argued originally. You completely changed the argument. But whatever, I'm certainly beyond wasting my breath arguing with you.
I've said the same thing a few times over
First Post
Just another right wing crybaby who can't deal with the fact that the federal government has certain rights regarding federally owned land
and then, after losing in court, turned to what appears to be terrorism and "thuggish" behaviour (bombing, armed intimidation,etc..)
the only reason the government backed down for now was for the safety of their employees from these nuts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-long-fight-between-cliven-bundy-and-the-federal-government/
Second Post
I guess you haven't seen the videos of the violent and aggressive behaviour of the so called protesters ?
It would make perfect sense to avoid ANYONE getting injured in the short term over this
you can read the rest of them for yourself as they are all pretty much the same
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i watched the video last night. it really was women on the front line. and the protesters weren't protesters - they were instigators - begging for a fight.
no doubt about it. You know protesters... they hold signs, chant some lame phrases, and stay in one spot. This crowd was clearly advancing, with yes, the women in the front line, just begging the BLM workers to do anything so they could fall on the ground and cry about federal brutality.
Seeing as they were blocking the road - already they deserve an ass-whooping. I'm sorry, but ANYONE who blocks a road to protest deserves to be run over by a car, I dont give a shit which party you're for. Protest on the side of the road. We can still see you, and you dont have to prevent people from getting where they're going.
I lost a lot of respect when I saw the video. Feds trying to just stand still as the protesters were literally kicking a dog, with women up front, aggressively pushing at feds while blocking roads, begging for a beatdown so they could wear their scars on Hannity like they're some kind of heros.
Get. The fuckk. out of the street. Seriously. Protest 12 inches off the road so people can get home. it's not all about you.
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i watched the video last night. it really was women on the front line. and the protesters weren't protesters - they were instigators - begging for a fight.
no doubt about it. You know protesters... they hold signs, chant some lame phrases, and stay in one spot. This crowd was clearly advancing, with yes, the women in the front line, just begging the BLM workers to do anything so they could fall on the ground and cry about federal brutality.
Seeing as they were blocking the road - already they deserve an ass-whooping. I'm sorry, but ANYONE who blocks a road to protest deserves to be run over by a car, I dont give a shit which party you're for. Protest on the side of the road. We can still see you, and you dont have to prevent people from getting where they're going.
I lost a lot of respect when I saw the video. Feds trying to just stand still as the protesters were literally kicking a dog, with women up front, aggressively pushing at feds while blocking roads, begging for a beatdown so they could wear their scars on Hannity like they're some kind of heros.
Get. The fuckk. out of the street. Seriously. Protest 12 inches off the road so people can get home. it's not all about you.
exactly
that's the video that I saw too
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exactly
that's the video that I saw too
it's one thing if jacked booter thugs are mowing people down who are just exercising their constitutional rights. but look at the video. Govt police are standing still. it's the protesters that at putting their hands toward them, acting very aggressive, really looking to incite violence.
NOBODY can watch this and say the crowd was non-violent peaceful protesters who were just there to make their point or have their voices heard. Heck, they ADMITTED ON FOX NEWS that their mission was to get the govt agents to assault them. Their actual stated goal was to incite violence (on women).
I have a serious problem when LEO abuse their authority and believe life in prison is more than fair for crooked cops. But these folks are very open about their goal being one thing - to instigate a violent confrontation with law enforcement in which women will be the first group injured.
It's tough to respect them at all. They have a good point about the govt having too much power... But I look at that video - a bunch of people with cell phones, trying to get some women punched by cops, blocking the road, screaming insults and daring police to hurt them...
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LOL @ the protesters putting the women, and 5 feet of space, between them and the police.
If you want to fight cops, do it. But standing behind women, shouting insults and waving your arms while begging police to smash up those women on video...
Ugh, I didn't care less about this issue other than "Dude wants to chill on fed lands but doesn't agree to their rules".
Now? Now I am realizing this protest was pretty one-sided. The police stood still. They didn't want to fight, they didn't crack any skulls.
The protesters hid behind women and tried to instigate a violent confrontation on US soil. They wanted to hurt american women to help their political cause. There are a lot of names for people openly admitting their desire to kill/injure american women in order to reach their political goals :( :( :(
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“If they are going to start shooting, it’s going to be women that are going to be televised all across the world getting shot
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that is what real American Rebels do
just like our founding fathers
we all know that
Great pictures! Thanks
Good to know there are still real American rebels out there like our founding fathers.
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Cowardly, but it would be extremely politically effective to show the feds firing on unarmed women.
I have mixed feelings about it. I personally could never put an unarmed women between myself and the line of fire for political gain.
Since when... you not only put women in the line of fire here on GetBig for political gain,
...half the time you're pulling the damn trigger yourself. Hypocrite! ::)
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Just another right wing crybaby who can't deal with the fact that the federal government has certain rights regarding federally owned land
and then, after losing in court, turned to what appears to be terrorism and "thuggish" behaviour (bombing, armed intimidation,etc..)
the only reason the government backed down for now was for the safety of their employees from these nuts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/04/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-long-fight-between-cliven-bundy-and-the-federal-government/
They backed down because they didn't want to see the start of a 2nd American Revolution just yet.
And the title of the article you posted is misleading. There's much more to this than that scant treatment offers.
Federal Judge Slams BLM Criminal Conspiracy (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=531849.0)
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Give the dude enough time, and yep, people will see what he's all about.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/us/politics/rancher-proudly-breaks-the-law-becoming-a-hero-in-the-west.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0
I'm not even going to paste what he said, involving race.
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Bundy can fit right in with all the racist democrats.
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yeah, give him a mic long enough and we see what he's really about.
this isn't about his cattle. This is about his hatred for federal govt and people with different skin :(
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yeah, give him a mic long enough and we see what he's really about.
this isn't about his cattle. This is about his hatred for federal govt and people with different skin :(
He doesn't make a very good case for himself or his character
Fortunately for his position on his right to graze, the evidence he needs has previously been compiled.
He may have lost touch with reality as far as people with different skin is concerned, but his battle goes back to 1993, and Obama's Feds were not present at the time.
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He doesn't make a very good case for himself or his character
Fortunately for his position on his right to graze, the evidence he needs has previously been compiled.
He may have lost touch with reality as far as people with different skin is concerned, but his battle goes back to 1993, and Obama's Feds were not present at the time.
it's like he undermines the point he's making.
Now, the left CAN very accurately point out "this racist doesn't feel he should have to pay land fees".
And it's not just them being slanderous...
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it's like he undermines the point he's making.
Now, the left CAN very accurately point out "this racist doesn't feel he should have to pay land fees".
And it's not just them being slanderous...
Agreed, but sadly, people keep bringing political allegiance into the mix.
Who he votes for in elections, or if he even votes as well as his warped ideas on race, is and should be completely irrelevant to his claim of rights to the land, or his not having to pay grazing fees.
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Judging by what happened at the Waco siege, the US government doesn't seem to care about women and children human shields.
Bundy is not a racist. He hates racist people...and black people too.
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Bundy's on the government welfare and the right thinks he's a hero
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Bundy's on the government welfare and the right thinks he's a hero
if EVERYONE did what Bundy did - our military would collapse.
No more fed dollars = no more defense to keep NKorea, china, russia, etc from taking over this place.
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Now people are complaining that the militia is stopping them, and demanding to see their "papers".
Is this much better than the govt they're protesting?
Concerns growing about militia members at Bundy ranch
Source: CBS - Las Vegas
LAS VEGAS -- Concerns are growing about members of the militia surrounding rancher Cliven Bundy.
Democratic Rep. Steven Horsford, sent a letter to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie about the safety of residents in the Bunkerville area. Horsford says his constituents have "expressed concern" over the presence of armed militia groups from out of state.
According to Horsford, his constituents say the militia have set up checkpoints where residents must prove they live in the area before they are allowed to pass and have set up a "persistent presence" along federal highways, and state and county roads. They also claim some have established an armed presence in the community.
Horsford told the sheriff that the militia are making people feel unsafe.
Armed people from across the country arrived in Bunkerville weeks ago to support Bundy in his fight with the Bureau of Land Management over cattle the agency says are illegally grazing on federally managed lands.
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Now people are complaining that the militia is stopping them, and demanding to see their "papers".
Is this much better than the govt they're protesting?
Concerns growing about militia members at Bundy ranch
Source: CBS - Las Vegas
LAS VEGAS -- Concerns are growing about members of the militia surrounding rancher Cliven Bundy.
Democratic Rep. Steven Horsford, sent a letter to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie about the safety of residents in the Bunkerville area. Horsford says his constituents have "expressed concern" over the presence of armed militia groups from out of state.
According to Horsford, his constituents say the militia have set up checkpoints where residents must prove they live in the area before they are allowed to pass and have set up a "persistent presence" along federal highways, and state and county roads. They also claim some have established an armed presence in the community.
Horsford told the sheriff that the militia are making people feel unsafe.
Armed people from across the country arrived in Bunkerville weeks ago to support Bundy in his fight with the Bureau of Land Management over cattle the agency says are illegally grazing on federally managed lands.
Here's where the FEDs are getting legs on which to stand. This could very well justify a strong use of force.
Not good. :-\
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Here's where the FEDs are getting legs on which to stand. This could very well justify a strong use of force.
Not good. :-\
And at that point, i WOULD support a use of force against those individuals. This is AMERICA - and the thought of being stopped and denied my constitutional right by this group that
- leader makes racist statements on TV
- pushes women to front of protest and admits they wanted to see injuries for TV time
- blocks road while protesting
Now, whether he's right or wrong about paying his bills, suddenly they're denying Americans their right to just drive down the road, stopping them for PAPERS. Sheeit, anyone pulls me out of my car and demands papers... I'm calling a lawyer/ACLU, if its a cop. I'm pulling my fcking gun if some random citizen decides to yank me out of car and pat me down.
Getbig has been silent... 2 weeks ago, they were ready to elect Bundy President. Now, it's quiet. Have yall changed your mind on the guy? Or are you cool with his crew forcing people to show their papers?
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Seems like two of these idiots just made the news, in the worst possible way :(
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BREAKING NEWS: Bundy son arrested on criminal contempt charges
Source: KLAS TV
BREAKING NEWS: Bundy son arrested on criminal contempt charges
Posted: Aug 05, 2014 12:58 PM PDT
Updated: Aug 05, 2014 12:58 PM PDT
By Natalie Cullen, Online Editor - email
Cliven Lance Bundy
LAS VEGAS -- The son of a Nevada rancher, who faced off with the Bureau of Land Management earlier this year, has been arrested.
Cliven Lance Bundy, 34, was arrested Monday on criminal contempt and probation violation charges. In July, a warrant was issued for his arrest because Bundy did not appear before a Clark County District Court judge who oversees a drug diversion program.
He could face two to eight years in state prison, if he is found in violation of terms of the five years’ probation imposed after he pleaded guilty in February 2013 to felony burglary and weapon theft charges.
Bundy has blamed his issues on an addiction to pain killers.
Read more: http://www.8newsnow.com/story/26203914/breaking-news-bundy-son-arrested-on-criminal-contempt-charges
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Lawsuit: Cliven Bundy's Wandering Cows Allegedly Caused Car Crash
woman sued Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy for negligence since a cattle he let roam on public land caused her to crash her car, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported.
In April, the Bureau of Land Management let Bundy use federal land for his cattle even though he hasn't paid grazing fees in years after an intense standoff between the rancher's militia and the federal government.
Just two days after the BLM released Bundy's cattle, multiple cows wandered onto an interstate highway, where one collided with a car. The crash killed the cow and seriously injured a Las Vegas woman. Danielle Beck filed a lawsuit on Sunday and said Bundy "recklessly, carelessly and negligently allowed his cows to enter onto Interstate 15 through an area where he had no grazing or other rights."
"It’s a state problem. It’s not our problem," Bundy told the Review-Journal. "We really feel bad when it happens. We sure don’t want it to happen. But we’re not liable."