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Title: Why run?
Post by: Croatch on January 24, 2006, 10:44:25 AM
I see people running all the time like the next marathon is coming up in Feb?  I'm sure you burn a bit more fat while running, but wouldn't you rather keep more muscle by low intensity cardio...in return increasing your metabolism?  Boring thread, just wondering though.  Not every post can have the flair of the now infamous, gay for pay Derek Anthony.  Classic.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: FreakBB7243 on January 24, 2006, 10:51:08 AM
Some enjoy running maybe?

People are different, different things work for them.

Stupid thread.

Natural express since '84. Croatch on!
ahahahahahaha...croatch on...man o man...but what does that mean... :D
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Bluto on January 24, 2006, 10:51:58 AM
100 miles and runnin NUGGA!

Runnin' with my brothers, headed for the homebase.
With a steady pace on the face that just we raced.
The road ahead goes on and on.
The shit is gettin' longer than the mutherfuckin' marathon.
Runnin' on but never runnin' out.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: 8 INCH not biceps on January 24, 2006, 11:07:23 AM

 I used to marathons and its a lot of fun the only thing was i used to weigh like 138
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 24, 2006, 11:11:54 AM
I see people running all the time like the next marathon is coming up in Feb?  I'm sure you burn a bit more fat while running, but wouldn't you rather keep more muscle by low intensity cardio...in return increasing your metabolism?  Boring thread, just wondering though.  Not every post can have the flair of the now infamous, gay for pay Derek Anthony.  Classic.

Sprint. It's burns fat without sacrificing muscle!
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: 240 is Back on January 24, 2006, 11:19:19 AM
Sprint. It's burns fat without sacrificing muscle!

They also saved me 15% on my long distance phone bill!
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Borracho on January 24, 2006, 11:21:31 AM
We all know Crotch prefers to cycle.  :P
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 24, 2006, 11:23:11 AM
They also saved me 15% on my long distance phone bill!


rimshot........
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: an123 on January 24, 2006, 11:32:43 AM
Running is more of a lifestyle, like bodybuilding.  At least those that really get into it.

Personally I only run to the car when its cold out.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: WiseGuy on January 24, 2006, 12:55:54 PM
croatch makes a good point... why go to the gym to run endless miles on a treadmill....

to look like what?

a stick?

actually if you look at a lot of runner they are the reverse of a bodybuilder with a huge upper and no wheels... the runner has chisled legs but looks like a plague vicitim in the upper body....

 :-\
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: bmacsys on January 24, 2006, 01:24:54 PM
I see people running all the time like the next marathon is coming up in Feb?  I'm sure you burn a bit more fat while running, but wouldn't you rather keep more muscle by low intensity cardio...in return increasing your metabolism?  Boring thread, just wondering though.  Not every post can have the flair of the now infamous, gay for pay Derek Anthony.  Classic.


Running is easily the best way to lose hard earned muscle mass.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Bast000 on January 24, 2006, 01:27:57 PM
Most honkeys want to live long and having a strong heart can help serve that purpose.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Croatch on January 24, 2006, 01:46:21 PM
I've been doing cardio 5x a week at 3.7mph, heart rate @105.  Roughly 55% of my max heart rate.  My legs are smaller in just 2 months.  I can't imagine running? 

You ever see that jacked runner from Kenya?
No?
That's because he doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Mr. Intenseone on January 24, 2006, 02:06:59 PM
croatch makes a good point... why go to the gym to run endless miles on a treadmill....

to look like what?

a stick?




That doesn't happen if you sprint.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: sculpture on January 24, 2006, 02:10:50 PM
I've been doing cardio 5x a week at 3.7mph, heart rate @105.  Roughly 55% of my max heart rate.  My legs are smaller in just 2 months.  I can't imagine running? 

You ever see that jacked runner from Kenya?
No?
That's because he doesn't exist.


This is most unfortunate for you but at the same time smacks of you tryin to justify not running. I run 4 times a week: twice as fast as i can for 20 mins and the other two times for 1 hr straight at a pace where its taxing but not to the point of discomfort. After months of this my legs are better than ever and any leg and back work where reps are high are not limited at all by my breathing capacity. I hate the idea of being muscular but unable to run, cycle or do any form of cardio to a decent standard, sort of like a sports car that looks good but performs like shit.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Double XL on January 24, 2006, 02:17:12 PM
That doesn't happen if you sprint.
for a cutting phase what type of sprinting program would you reccomed? 
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: DIVISION on January 25, 2006, 12:37:25 AM
I see people running all the time like the next marathon is coming up in Feb?  I'm sure you burn a bit more fat while running, but wouldn't you rather keep more muscle by low intensity cardio...in return increasing your metabolism?  Boring thread, just wondering though.  Not every post can have the flair of the now infamous, gay for pay Derek Anthony.  Classic.

For lifters/bodybuilders/powerlifters in general, the best cardio is probably the bike as it can keep the heart rate within the target heart rate, while saving your knees, and joints. 

Alternate that with uphill walking (treadmill).  Uphill walking is not true cardio because the work is done at a lower target heart rate that is optimal for fatburning, but it still works all the stabilizer muscles that the bike doesn't work. 

What I've found is that you can alternate these two every other workout so as to not get burnt out on cardio but still keep your heart healthy, while burning fat and keeping your body in an anabolic state.  Do these after your one hour (hopefully) weight workout, so as to maximize the body's fat burning capabilities. 

100 miles and runnin NUGGA!

"Brothas gettin' shot, comin' back, resurrected!!!  This is that raw shit, nugga, check it!  And I remember what my papa told me, remember what my papa told me: Blasphemy."

if you look at a lot of runner they are the reverse of a bodybuilder with a huge upper and no wheels... the runner has chisled legs but looks like a plague vicitim in the upper body....

^Word.

When I was in the military, no matter how much I ate, I could not keep my strength or lean mass gains.  The running literally stripped of whatever muscle I had on my upper body, essentially had me spinning my wheels. 

Running is a catabolic activity.  Once a week is fine, but anything more than that is probably detrimental to muscle building.



DIV
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Bast000 on January 25, 2006, 12:40:34 AM
I've been doing cardio 5x a week at 3.7mph, heart rate @105.  Roughly 55% of my max heart rate.  My legs are smaller in just 2 months. 



Maybe you measured your legs when you were dehydrated/flat or perhaps you lost body fat in those two months or a combination.    You didn't necessarily lose muscle.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Bast000 on January 25, 2006, 12:43:16 AM
For lifters/bodybuilders/powerlifters in general, the best cardio is probably the bike as it can keep the heart rate within the target heart rate, while saving your knees, and joints. 




DIV

That's the only cardio I do (besides playing basketball occasionally or whatever) because of my knee problem.    It's just a matter of calories.  If you burn too many doing cardio of course you won't be able to gain muscle or retain it.  It doesn't mean that running is bad intrinsically.   Any cardio is good at the right amount.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: DIVISION on January 25, 2006, 01:41:59 AM
That's the only cardio I do (besides playing basketball occasionally or whatever) because of my knee problem.    It's just a matter of calories.  If you burn too many doing cardio of course you won't be able to gain muscle or retain it.  It doesn't mean that running is bad intrinsically.   Any cardio is good at the right amount.

^You truly don't grasp the  point I was making, Sebastian.

In the military you run every day, sometimes one mile, sometimes 6 miles......

Your body is put in to such a catabolic state that it doesn't matter how many calories you take in because whatever muscle mass you build up is burned for energy.  You are always depleted and there is no way to get back to a positive anabolic balance unless you lay off the running or use AAS. 

You haven't been in the military.  I have. 

Read the post next time and comprehend before you comment.



DIV
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Bast000 on January 25, 2006, 12:16:09 PM
I said "Any cardio is good at the right amount."   So how did I miss your point?
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: w8tlftr on January 25, 2006, 12:21:41 PM
It's a lifestyle choice like bodybuilding. I'd rather swim a mile vs run one though - it's a much better workout.

Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: sarcasm on January 25, 2006, 01:25:14 PM
It's a lifestyle choice like bodybuilding. I'd rather swim a mile vs run one though - it's a much better workout.


you couldn't do either with those chicken legs of yours, cluck, cluck, cluck!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: rufjunk on January 25, 2006, 01:43:34 PM
To me, running is like bodybuilding to a certain degree.

Whenever you get a good pump in bodybuilding and you've exerted yourself, you get endorphins released into your blood stream and your on a "high" feeling.

The same holds true for running, if you sprint for a certain period of time, or even just do a form of cardio for a long time (basketball), endorphins are released too. Either way, it's a high feeling. Feels good. I usually feel this way after I've pushed myself, I enjoy doing that in both, running and weights..

Also running can be somewhat detrimental if you over-due it, you don't stand a chance in heck if you lift, don't consume much, and then run all the time, awfully hard to put on quality mass.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: bmacsys on January 25, 2006, 02:03:26 PM
This is most unfortunate for you but at the same time smacks of you tryin to justify not running. I run 4 times a week: twice as fast as i can for 20 mins and the other two times for 1 hr straight at a pace where its taxing but not to the point of discomfort. After months of this my legs are better than ever and any leg and back work where reps are high are not limited at all by my breathing capacity. I hate the idea of being muscular but unable to run, cycle or do any form of cardio to a decent standard, sort of like a sports car that looks good but performs like shit.


Moderate to hard biking after you workout doesn't cause you to lose strength or mass. You can still build very good cardio fitness. Running, ok let me be clear, "jogging" just plain makes you smaller and weaker. I used to sprint 100 meters on soft track, walk back, then sprint it again for 6 cycles when I was younger. That was beneficial. 45 minutes of jogging will kill your strength and mass quickly.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: CAPTAIN MARVEL on January 25, 2006, 02:10:53 PM
Sprinting is superior to both forms of cardio you mentioned Croatch.

Check out this article from Mind and Muscle (used to be called Big guy)

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php?issueID=21&pageID=274     Part 1

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php?issueID=21&pageID=309     Part 2
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Disgusted on January 25, 2006, 02:12:12 PM
I ran once.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: sculpture on January 25, 2006, 02:13:51 PM

Moderate to hard biking after you workout doesn't cause you to lose strength or mass. You can still build very good cardio fitness. Running, ok let me be clear, "jogging" just plain makes you smaller and weaker. I used to sprint 100 meters on soft track, walk back, then sprint it again for 6 cycles when I was younger. That was beneficial. 45 minutes of jogging will kill your strength and mass quickly.

After 50 hrs of this over the last 6 months iv'e decreased my bf, my waist is smaller than ever, vascularity evident in the upper arms again, leg and calf separation improved and overall leaness is apparent accompanied by not  a single ounce of strength loss (although a marginal slowing of gains as expected). The result is my strength to weight ratio is greater than ever, i'm lifting heavier weights at a lower bw than at a higher one. Fullness in my upper body may of taken a slight hit though but i feel by including a cardio component thats roughly comparable to the weight lifting (in terms of time) has been worth it.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: SiteJaws on January 25, 2006, 02:48:32 PM
Running makes you sleep better. I think it keeps your metabolism higher too, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: bmacsys on January 25, 2006, 05:20:20 PM
^You truly don't grasp the  point I was making, Sebastian.

In the military you run every day, sometimes one mile, sometimes 6 miles......

Your body is put in to such a catabolic state that it doesn't matter how many calories you take in because whatever muscle mass you build up is burned for energy.  You are always depleted and there is no way to get back to a positive anabolic balance unless you lay off the running or use AAS. 

You haven't been in the military.  I have. 

Read the post next time and comprehend before you comment.



DIV

Fuck man, when I was in the Marine Corps we ran with our boots on for miles on the pavement. That contributed to the fact at 44 I can barely climb stairs.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: bmacsys on January 25, 2006, 05:24:44 PM
After 50 hrs of this over the last 6 months iv'e decreased my bf, my waist is smaller than ever, vascularity evident in the upper arms again, leg and calf separation improved and overall leaness is apparent accompanied by not  a single ounce of strength loss (although a marginal slowing of gains as expected). The result is my strength to weight ratio is greater than ever, i'm lifting heavier weights at a lower bw than at a higher one. Fullness in my upper body may of taken a slight hit though but i feel by including a cardio component thats roughly comparable to the weight lifting (in terms of time) has been worth it.


I used to run a lot. I took in the same amount of calories so as not to defeat the purpose of the running as I was trying to lose bodyfat. I would estimate I got under 10%, maybe 8%. But my strength took a hit. Maybe its worse on big guys. I don't know. but I do know guys who are serious about size, strength and power tend not to run.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: dontknowit on January 26, 2006, 03:24:20 AM
Running once or twice a week is healthy, but keep it short, 12 to 15 minutes.

Why, it gives a better vascularity, and you will be able to run at least a short mile without dying. Cause the major problem with getting a serious size is to train the hart and vascularity.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: runnerbabe on January 26, 2006, 07:10:41 AM
Running is more of a lifestyle, like bodybuilding.  At least those that really get into it.


Yes, it is a lifestyle but the two are not mutually exclusive.  Many sprinters or middle distance runners are really built with both strong legs and great upper bodies.

It doesn't really work that way for marathon runners since 26.2 mlies is a long way to drag the extra muscle.

You all (of course) know where I stand on the benefits of running-- right? Enough said.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: flaco on January 26, 2006, 10:19:15 AM
Ok so i'm 226lb 6'1 and trying to build some serious muscle. But I run a 10 min mile everytime i step foot in the gym; first thing i do as a warm up. Should I cease, if I'm trying to build hard muscle?
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: sculpture on January 26, 2006, 12:07:17 PM
Ok so i'm 226lb 6'1 and trying to build some serious muscle. But I run a 10 min mile everytime i step foot in the gym; first thing i do as a warm up. Should I cease, if I'm trying to build hard muscle?

Definetly stop. This could spell disaster for your gains and put an end or even reverse them. I'm surprised you dont weigh 126lbs following this regime
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: bmacsys on January 26, 2006, 01:40:42 PM
Ok so i'm 226lb 6'1 and trying to build some serious muscle. But I run a 10 min mile everytime i step foot in the gym; first thing i do as a warm up. Should I cease, if I'm trying to build hard muscle?

I used to do my cardio before I lifted for a long time because I wanted to get it out of the way cause it sucks. Then on a lark I did my lifting first. When the weights felt really light I realized I was making a big mistake doing my cardio which consisted of 32 minutes of the bike or hard walking on the treadmill. The cardio takes time to recover from and keeps you from lifting as heavy as your body is capable of. To get as big as you are capable of you need to lift as heavy as weights as you are capable of.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: dontknowit on January 27, 2006, 02:45:51 AM
Doing cardio for workout makes you spill a lot of potentiel energy. So stop it.

The only exception I use is when it's freezing cold, a short warmup by meaning of cycling or crosstrainer would be recommended.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Bear03 on January 27, 2006, 07:02:02 AM
f**k man, when I was in the Marine Corps we ran with our boots on for miles on the pavement. That contributed to the fact at 44 I can barely climb stairs.

my dad ran three marathons from age 28 to age 34.  Just this last year he had hip replacement surgery, after years of incessant, horrendous, and occasionally crippling hip pain.  Though he played football in college, he blames the hip problem 98% on running outdoors; being a tall guy the compression of/on the pavement was too much.

That being said, running is still a great form of exercise; if you put the treadmill on a 1-degree incline you can still get a good running workout and cut down the risk of injury.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: bmacsys on January 27, 2006, 10:39:23 AM
my dad ran three marathons from age 28 to age 34.  Just this last year he had hip replacement surgery, after years of incessant, horrendous, and occasionally crippling hip pain.  Though he played football in college, he blames the hip problem 98% on running outdoors; being a tall guy the compression of/on the pavement was too much.

That being said, running is still a great form of exercise; if you put the treadmill on a 1-degree incline you can still get a good running workout and cut down the risk of injury.

Running is great. But it has its pitfalls. I have bad knees, sciatica, pinched nerve in my neck. I can't attribute it all to the pounding from running but I know it contributed.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: magikusar on December 10, 2012, 01:20:07 PM
I see people running all the time like the next marathon is coming up in Feb?  I'm sure you burn a bit more fat while running, but wouldn't you rather keep more muscle by low intensity cardio...in return increasing your metabolism?  Boring thread, just wondering though.  Not every post can have the flair of the now infamous, gay for pay Derek Anthony.  Classic.

Shorties like runing and x games because they are things they can do tallies liek me cant easily.

makes em feel a bit of jock

they like that
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: WOOO on December 10, 2012, 04:43:00 PM
why do you insist on resurrecting old topics?
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: magikusar on December 11, 2012, 04:19:35 PM
why do you insist on resurrecting old topics?

why don't you leave me alone?
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 11, 2012, 04:53:27 PM
I run 5 miles a day for weeks. The only problem is that I'm really far away from my house.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: WOOO on December 11, 2012, 06:54:14 PM
why don't you leave me alone?


i like to pick on fat little weak kids
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: magikusar on December 13, 2012, 11:12:50 AM

i like to pick on fat little weak kids

But I am tall buf good looking guy with blue eyes who would just pound you to pulp in real life?

You tard
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Donny on December 13, 2012, 04:23:31 PM
But I am tall buf good looking guy with blue eyes who would just pound you to pulp in real life?

You tard
Do me a favour. Do not write shit on these threads. If you really want to know then show some respect son..then the men on this section of Getbig might just help you.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: DD Holland on December 28, 2012, 10:58:02 AM
running really helps to increase stamina. I can do double the amount f sit-ups after a hard sprint then I can cold without running forts. It's always my warm up, every single time.
Title: Re: Why run?
Post by: Firedrineman on February 09, 2013, 07:04:17 PM
I run 5miles a day in the morning, I find my legs get shredded and more powerful. I'm mentally on a high for the rest of the day. I enjoy working out too but the feeling I get from running nothing compares to. I throw in some wind sprints and shadow fighting and its like a complete body workout.