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Title: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Damios on June 20, 2014, 11:19:12 PM
What are for You the biggest myths and facts about Trenbolone which apear on Steroids Boards?


One of the MYTH? - Tren is awesome Carbohydrates burner. With Low Fat diet ( ~max 50g ) you can eat a lot of Carbs and a lot of people will be have better results with High Carb/Low Fat diet than Low Carb/High Fat diet while using Tren.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: OTHstrong on June 21, 2014, 12:19:06 AM
What are for You the biggest myths and facts about Trenbolone which apear on Steroids Boards?


One of the MYTH? - Tren is awesome Carbohydrates burner. With Low Fat diet ( ~max 50g ) you can eat a lot of Carbs and a lot of people will be have better results with High Carb/Low Fat diet than Low Carb/High Fat diet while using Tren.

I was having trouble with this one, having my doubts because when I get off of tren I almost immediately look fater without changing my diet so i thought it was just a change in water retention and some texture of the muscle.

 So many say it burns fat and swear by it but I as someone who is constantly up and down in bodyfat understand the illusion the texture of the muscle can make and how less water under the skin, especially with a compound that is so androgenic. So it transforms your look incredibly fast despite your bodyfat which is why so many say it burns fat, or so I thought.

However on the other hand, fat cells do have androgen receptors and it is highly androgenic compound so maybe it does burn fat.

One thing is for certain, animals have kept their same diet and have become leaner so it has to for them. I say it does burn fat or at least burn more carbs marginally but the bulk of the dramatic change in appearance is not due to this.   :-\


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: whitewidow on June 21, 2014, 01:01:34 AM
Tren is not that great of a fat burner. Tren will cause nitrogen retention,make you more vascular,bring out some striations,boost your strength a bit while your dieting but it is not really a fat burner. For those people who say Tren is the best fat burner to them I say bullshit! DNP is actually the strongest fat burner. I think all AAS compounds are hyped up a little bit.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: falco on June 21, 2014, 01:02:29 AM
For competitive bodybuilding is a great steroid. For recreational use isn't worth the negative sides.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: _aj_ on June 21, 2014, 03:54:47 AM
Galeniko would say, "abs in a bottle  ::) "


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Damios on June 21, 2014, 04:45:44 AM
For competitive bodybuilding is a great steroid. For recreational use isn't worth the negative sides.

But we can see a lot of gym rats who are staying with Tren year round... You know... TRT like 100mg test + 100mg tren  :o



I think a lot of myths about Tren is created by GH15... but maybe any truth is in that what he ( or she... who knows  ;D ) was saying becouse people, even competitors, not only gym rats often say this same about Tren.  ???


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: falco on June 21, 2014, 06:32:32 AM
You are right. Kids "magic" formula is tren and dianabol around here.
Soon to be castrated mofos of peace  ::).


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: OTHstrong on June 21, 2014, 10:07:02 AM
It is simply a strong compound, that is it, you still have to have everything else in check.

As for tren cough, that is fucken nothing compared to nicking a vain with TNE, oh man I did that and thought I was going to die, my lord. Took 15 minutes to come back to life


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on June 21, 2014, 10:33:31 AM
Tren cough was way over rated to me. Also the fat burning I believe is a myth since when I ran it i was(am) on strict diet and cardio regime I think it help with hunger and strength made me look made of rock but if I didn't diet good I just think it would've gave me strength and not sleep good.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: f450 on June 21, 2014, 12:04:23 PM
I dont know why people say tren doesnt burn fat. It absolutely does. I have seen it too many times...

you lose fat when you are on tren, abdominal fat especially. Adding var to that seems to accelerate and intensify the effect. I suppose its because tren ramps up your metabolism like crazy hence the increased sweating, heart rates and body temp. Its not a myth.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Shockwave on June 21, 2014, 07:20:42 PM
But we can see a lot of gym rats who are staying with Tren year round... You know... TRT like 100mg test + 100mg tren  :o



I think a lot of myths about Tren is created by GH15... but maybe any truth is in that what he ( or she... who knows  ;D ) was saying becouse people, even competitors, not only gym rats often say this same about Tren.  ???
I run 200mg test TRT+ 225mg tren pretty much all the time.... only because I bought a wbole bunch of it about 4-5 months ago and running low doses lasts a long time. I went up to 600mg for a bit, but the sides starting overtaking the pros.

Right now im running 200mg test + 225 tren + 400mg EQ. I run test year round and switch other compounds in and out as I can afford them/decide I want a break. Ive been pretty much constantly dieting and though and since I was obese as fuck about a year ago, ive only gotten to around 15%, but ive completely changed the way I look even though im still fairly fat. Ive probably added 20+ lbs solid muscle in the last year while dieting.... I run a very shallow deficit and sometimes ill stay at the same weight cor weeks, even as im obviously leaning out, so I think its completely possible to add muscle while burning fat if you do it slowly enough

I like running gear year round, its easy since im prescribed test.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: millineum man on June 21, 2014, 09:17:00 PM
Would you recommend a beginner to use Tren A at a low dose with Test Prop? If so, what dose? You always hear guys say "No Tren on a first cycle". But if it's meant for you to get Tren sides, it's going to happen on the 1st, 5th, or 10th cycle is my frame of thought.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Damios on June 21, 2014, 11:08:29 PM
I run 200mg test TRT+ 225mg tren pretty much all the time.... only because I bought a wbole bunch of it about 4-5 months ago and running low doses lasts a long time. I went up to 600mg for a bit, but the sides starting overtaking the pros.

Right now im running 200mg test + 225 tren + 400mg EQ. I run test year round and switch other compounds in and out as I can afford them/decide I want a break. Ive been pretty much constantly dieting and though and since I was obese as fuck about a year ago, ive only gotten to around 15%, but ive completely changed the way I look even though im still fairly fat. Ive probably added 20+ lbs solid muscle in the last year while dieting.... I run a very shallow deficit and sometimes ill stay at the same weight cor weeks, even as im obviously leaning out, so I think its completely possible to add muscle while burning fat if you do it slowly enough

I like running gear year round, its easy since im prescribed test.

Thanks Shockwave. Of course, stay on gear year round, not only on Test is nothing strange but i was saying about stay on Tren year round. What was Your longest time on Tren?  :)


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: whitewidow on June 22, 2014, 01:13:33 AM
I dont know why people say tren doesnt burn fat. It absolutely does. I have seen it too many times...

you lose fat when you are on tren, abdominal fat especially. Adding var to that seems to accelerate and intensify the effect. I suppose its because tren ramps up your metabolism like crazy hence the increased sweating, heart rates and body temp. Its not a myth.

some of what you say is true but it isn;t stronger then DNP or other drugs that are made for fat loss. I think it helps burn fat but all the Tren write-ups or very glamorized. Yes adding var would def help. comparing Tren to a drug like DNP is a joke though.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: oni on June 22, 2014, 01:56:53 AM
Would you recommend a beginner to use Tren A at a low dose with Test Prop? If so, what dose? You always hear guys say "No Tren on a first cycle". But if it's meant for you to get Tren sides, it's going to happen on the 1st, 5th, or 10th cycle is my frame of thought.

Nah it's just completely unnecessary


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Shockwave on June 22, 2014, 03:47:37 AM
Thanks Shockwave. Of course, stay on gear year round, not only on Test is nothing strange but i was saying about stay on Tren year round. What was Your longest time on Tren?  :)
Ive been on tren ranging from 150 to 600mg weekly for about 6-8 months now, wirh maybe some week long breaks in there


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: BigRo on June 22, 2014, 06:44:01 AM
Shockwave I guess being on low test year round you are not concerned about the supressive effects of long term tren use...


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Shockwave on June 22, 2014, 09:02:44 AM
Shockwave I guess being on low test year round you are not concerned about the supressive effects of long term tren use...
Correct, since I have low test anyway, im basically going to be on test for the rest my life, so eff it. Whenever I start feeling to beat up I back off the tren and tale a week or 2 off, but I run pretty low tren anyway.

The only reason is because ive been dieting the whole time and I hadnt used a lot of other compounds... ive thrown mast in with it, and now im playing with EQ, so I may drop the tren for a while as I find I like my mood/sleep a lot better when im not running tren.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: spiro on June 22, 2014, 03:14:44 PM
I like the way your cycles sound shockwaves decently healthy.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: spiro on June 22, 2014, 03:19:27 PM
I see all these young guys running a gram of tren all year long you would have to be crazy unless you get zero sides. Tren really messed me up back in the day when I didn't know what I was doing. I ran it on and off for over a year mostly on. When I tried to come off boy did I look fat! I was running high test like almost a gram. This is before I new about masteron or keeping estrogen in check. I should of ran way less test moderate masteron and then the tren.

My blood pressure got reeeally high I felt like shit all of the time. It took me a year to correct the issues I created. I was having bad chest pain and other problems. I didn't even look that good because my estrogen was solo high I was so bloated! Masteron literary changed everything for me for the better.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: jon cole on June 22, 2014, 04:57:15 PM
Four years ago I planned a 8 week test e cycle/deca, i discovered later that the test e was in fact tren e.


On week 3 i noticed something was wrong with my "test e", night sweat, incredible fat loss on abs, insomnia, i was horny all day long.

Finally tren e is a very good stuff, but because of the side (hair loss, high bp, anxiety) low dose are better.

Tren e + deca wasn't a good idea, recovery was really hard.





Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: phreak on June 22, 2014, 11:58:13 PM
some of what you say is true but it isn;t stronger then DNP or other drugs that are made for fat loss. I think it helps burn fat but all the Tren write-ups or very glamorized. Yes adding var would def help. comparing Tren to a drug like DNP is a joke though.
Thmat is something I have now found out the hard way. Have been on it for 5 weeks, and it really is a step down for me compared to the same dose of masteron. Mast had me harder, stronger, fuller, more veiny and feeling more calm, and it didn't mess with my cardio this badly. Tren seems to be giving me all the downsides with none of the upsides. Hell, last week two people have called me fat! So 8 days ago was my last inject with tren, I now switched to some anavar I had lying around for the wife. :P The difference is night and day even in the four days I've been taking var. So when the var runs out I'm back on the mast. Fuck tren. Maybe it works well in high dosages, but at 200 mg/w for me it did nothing positive.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: falco on June 23, 2014, 01:47:24 AM
Four years ago I planned a 8 week test e cycle/deca, i discovered later that the test e was in fact tren e.


On week 3 i noticed something was wrong with my "test e", night sweat, incredible fat loss on abs, insomnia, i was horny all day long.

Finally tren e is a very good stuff, but because of the side (hair loss, high bp, anxiety) low dose are better.

Tren e + deca wasn't a good idea, recovery was really hard.





I had to re-run pregnyl/dufine at the end of the cycle and even after things weren't working the same as before, so after some endocrinal studies e runned dostinex (half a pill) twice a week for eight weeks. My prolactin levels got normal and boners returned to the way they were before.



Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: ESFitness on June 23, 2014, 01:00:12 PM
I really can't stand to use tren ace anymore do to #1 the cough, and #2 the constant injects.

so when switching to tren enan, I HAVE noticed that mg per mg, it's about 70% as effective as tren ace.. and take sabout 2 wks to kick in.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: nasum on June 23, 2014, 03:04:57 PM
All steroids burn fat guys.

All visceral fat cells have androgen receptors, the more androgenic the steroid, the more pronounced the effect of the lipolysis. Hence tren and masteron are the kings of cutting due to the extreme androgen activity.

However, I must agree with onetimehard, tren will not give you abs in the absence of correct diet and training methods. Diet is numero uno for fat loss. And yes, even something like clenbuterol would be superior to trenbolone for fat loss.



Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: OTHstrong on June 23, 2014, 03:08:18 PM
All steroids burn fat guys.

All visceral fat cells have androgen receptors, the more androgenic the steroid, the more pronounced the effect of the lipolysis. Hence tren and masteron are the kings of cutting due to the extreme androgen activity.

However, I must agree with onetimehard, tren will not give you abs in the absence of correct diet and training methods. Diet is numero uno for fat loss. And yes, even something like clenbuterol would be superior to trenbolone for fat loss.


makes sense ^^^ ;)


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on June 23, 2014, 03:34:49 PM
makes sense ^^^ ;)
Yes it does


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: stavios on June 25, 2014, 02:55:04 PM
It is simply a strong compound, that is it, you still have to have everything else in check.

As for tren cough, that is fucken nothing compared to nicking a vain with TNE, oh man I did that and thought I was going to die, my lord. Took 15 minutes to come back to life

same for me

everything on my body was burning, my eyes, my tongue
coughing for 20 minutes straight and almost puking

haven't take tren A since then


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: a_ahmed on June 25, 2014, 06:49:52 PM
It is simply a strong compound, that is it, you still have to have everything else in check.

As for tren cough, that is fucken nothing compared to nicking a vain with TNE, oh man I did that and thought I was going to die, my lord. Took 15 minutes to come back to life

That sounds nuts lol.. i rarely get tren cough.. but when i do it sucks existing for a minute straight... damn.. never tried TNE so woah.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: OTHstrong on June 25, 2014, 10:36:28 PM
That sounds nuts lol.. i rarely get tren cough.. but when i do it sucks existing for a minute straight... damn.. never tried TNE so woah.
TNE is way worse then tren ace, you breath that shit out instantly, sheer fire. I mean it is in your throat and I literally have to brush my teeth after a shot and if it hits a vain your body feels like its going to seize up, but fuck man in the gym you are an animal, 10 sets of 4 plates deadlifts for 10 reps each set in 45 minutes, pure adrenaline.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Simple Simon on June 26, 2014, 11:44:34 AM
Mix your tren with mast and eq
Nice cocktail.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Shockwave on June 26, 2014, 12:02:39 PM
Mix your tren with mast and eq
Nice cocktail.
Im hitting the tren/EQ cocktail right now. (Low dose tren)

It's killer combo for fullness, strength, and endurance.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: ESFitness on June 26, 2014, 02:26:02 PM
TNE is way worse then tren ace, you breath that shit out instantly, sheer fire. I mean it is in your throat and I literally have to brush my teeth after a shot and if it hits a vain your body feels like its going to seize up, but fuck man in the gym you are an animal, 10 sets of 4 plates deadlifts for 10 reps each set in 45 minutes, pure adrenaline.

thanks for the warning... fucker. lol.. I was JUST about to brew up some 100mg/ml TNE to use preworkout.

now after hearing it's similar to tren ace, i'll pass. haha.

seriously... I dunno how I used to do it with the tren ace and not get the cough... now, it seems I get it 75% of the time and it's fucking brutal.. forehead on the ground, fetal position, coughing and gasping for breath, pouring sweat, heart pounding, wanting to puke, eyes bulging out of face, ect... I've never had a heart attack, but I can't imagine it being any worse than a 2cc 200mg/cc tren injection.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Shockwave on June 26, 2014, 04:25:10 PM
thanks for the warning... fucker. lol.. I was JUST about to brew up some 100mg/ml TNE to use preworkout.

now after hearing it's similar to tren ace, i'll pass. haha.

seriously... I dunno how I used to do it with the tren ace and not get the cough... now, it seems I get it 75% of the time and it's fucking brutal.. forehead on the ground, fetal position, coughing and gasping for breath, pouring sweat, heart pounding, wanting to puke, eyes bulging out of face, ect... I've never had a heart attack, but I can't imagine it being any worse than a 2cc 200mg/cc tren injection.
Most i've ever injected was 200mg. Never got the cough. Not sure what causes it but I've never gotten it.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: aintitgrand on June 27, 2014, 07:07:42 AM
Most i've ever injected was 200mg. Never got the cough. Not sure what causes it but I've never gotten it.
Same. I've done tren a and tren e and never got a cough. I was so scared I would though, so I was extremely careful with every injection. I never "lubricate" the needle by letting some oil out before jabbing it, maybe that's why I never got the cough, cause even though I may have nicked a vein the oil never actually touched anything until the needle was fully inserted, at which point I aspirate.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: OTHstrong on June 27, 2014, 07:23:56 AM
thanks for the warning... fucker. lol.. I was JUST about to brew up some 100mg/ml TNE to use preworkout.

now after hearing it's similar to tren ace, i'll pass. haha.

seriously... I dunno how I used to do it with the tren ace and not get the cough... now, it seems I get it 75% of the time and it's fucking brutal.. forehead on the ground, fetal position, coughing and gasping for breath, pouring sweat, heart pounding, wanting to puke, eyes bulging out of face, ect... I've never had a heart attack, but I can't imagine it being any worse than a 2cc 200mg/cc tren injection.
;D lol

Ya I am scared to do a full ml of TNE and it stinks big time, the wife yells at me lately lol  ''you better not do that shot up stairs'' I have to go to the basement  :D


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on June 27, 2014, 10:27:17 AM
Same. I've done tren a and tren e and never got a cough. I was so scared I would though, so I was extremely careful with every injection. I never "lubricate" the needle by letting some oil out before jabbing it, maybe that's why I never got the cough, cause even though I may have nicked a vein the oil never actually touched anything until the needle was fully inserted, at which point I aspirate.
U think not lubing the pin helps? Or u just getting lucky? I have been getting cough everytime I inject my left glute and only left glute I may try not lubing.. any body else think this helps


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: aintitgrand on June 27, 2014, 12:48:26 PM
U think not lubing the pin helps? Or u just getting lucky? I have been getting cough everytime I inject my left glute and only left glute I may try not lubing.. any body else think this helps
I have no idea if it helps. All I know is I never lubricate it and never get coughs. Maybe I'm just getting lucky and it really makes no difference, but that's all I know that I do differently from others. I also leave a small air bubble in the barrel so when I pin it makes a small hiss and I get every last drop of oil in  :D


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Shockwave on June 27, 2014, 02:44:48 PM
U think not lubing the pin helps? Or u just getting lucky? I have been getting cough everytime I inject my left glute and only left glute I may try not lubing.. any body else think this helps
I've noticed, for whatever reason, I manage to knick my vein on the left glute a LOT, whereas I never hit a vein on my right glute. Probably has something to do with the way i twist around, dunno.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on June 27, 2014, 03:48:35 PM
I've noticed, for whatever reason, I manage to knick my vein on the left glute a LOT, whereas I never hit a vein on my right glute. Probably has something to do with the way i twist around, dunno.
Yea thats a wierd spot to hit my back tries to cramp and then u get cough the cough is annoying to me but not overwhelming. Also im not injecting tren or atleast I think im hitting mast and test. So its test mast cough. Ha the vial sais mast any way thats another story


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: oni on June 28, 2014, 12:21:41 AM
250/400/525 test/equi/tren here
Day 5 of the tren and I look better already lol. 75mg a day. Never had a tren cough but I get a great rush after I inject and get warm.
Going to be on the tren for 40 days total, can't wait to see what I look like in a months time! Eating plenty of food as I never get fat and my waist looks nice and tight and my delts / traps are insane


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Damios on June 28, 2014, 06:14:57 AM
Next strange thing which repeat a lot of people is that they get better results while using Tren when they eat more cals than less. You know... eating above maintenance and still reduce body fat while increasing lean mass ( without GH )...  ???


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Simple Simon on June 28, 2014, 06:53:26 AM
Next strange thing which repeat a lot of people is that they get better results while using Tren when they eat more cals than less. You know... eating above maintenance and still reduce body fat while increasing lean mass ( without GH )...  ???

 ??? Indeed


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: millineum man on June 28, 2014, 07:53:01 AM
Next strange thing which repeat a lot of people is that they get better results while using Tren when they eat more cals than less. You know... eating above maintenance and still reduce body fat while increasing lean mass ( without GH )...  ???
Tren is some potent stuff from what everyone says.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Mad-scientist on June 28, 2014, 09:12:09 AM
I feel like whenever I start taking any steroid I start to lose fat if I haven't been on cycle for a while.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: oni on June 29, 2014, 02:44:41 AM
Tren doesn't burn fat it just decreases sub-q water somehow
Most of the steroids burning fat thing is vastly overblown lol. We are talking a few grams here and there


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Core on June 29, 2014, 07:20:51 AM
thanks for the warning... fucker. lol.. I was JUST about to brew up some 100mg/ml TNE to use preworkout.

now after hearing it's similar to tren ace, i'll pass. haha.

seriously... I dunno how I used to do it with the tren ace and not get the cough... now, it seems I get it 75% of the time and it's fucking brutal.. forehead on the ground, fetal position, coughing and gasping for breath, pouring sweat, heart pounding, wanting to puke, eyes bulging out of face, ect... I've never had a heart attack, but I can't imagine it being any worse than a 2cc 200mg/cc tren injection.

That's your problem. Brew it at 100mg/ml and you won't have nearly the same issues. Tren is something you gotta use at 100mg/ml, at least acetate. I mean cmon, 400mg of tren in one shot is going to make you cough like a bitch. Last 4 weeks ending yesterday I was doing daily 100mg tren ace shots, into the glutes delts and arms. I coughed ONCE and it was not even a cough really, just a tickling in my throat. I also found that instad of doing EOD shots, ED shots once you get past 500mg weekly helps a lot with the feeling like shit thing, because say your doing 200mg EOD, that's 200mg of tren ace straight up into your blood stream. Uneven blood levels with EOD shots like that, 100mg ED is much easier to handle. I would still do 100mg EOD though, I'm not sticking myself for less than 1cc hell no less than 2cc usually..


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Simple Simon on June 29, 2014, 07:38:29 AM
That's your problem. Brew it at 100mg/ml and you won't have nearly the same issues. Tren is something you gotta use at 100mg/ml, at least acetate. I mean cmon, 400mg of tren in one shot is going to make you cough like a bitch. Last 4 weeks ending yesterday I was doing daily 100mg tren ace shots, into the glutes delts and arms. I coughed ONCE and it was not even a cough really, just a tickling in my throat. I also found that instad of doing EOD shots, ED shots once you get past 500mg weekly helps a lot with the feeling like shit thing, because say your doing 200mg EOD, that's 200mg of tren ace straight up into your blood stream. Uneven blood levels with EOD shots like that, 100mg ED is much easier to handle. I would still do 100mg EOD though, I'm not sticking myself for less than 1cc hell no less than 2cc usually..

Really, its into your muscle and it dissipates, unless you're shooting it in a vein, if you are, then you are doing it wrong.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Core on June 29, 2014, 08:11:17 AM
No it gets into your blood stream very quickly, because of the short ester. What I meant was that 200mg of tren ace in one shot is a lot different than 200mg of tren e in one shot, since it releases very quickly. The same dose but of enanthate is less harsh that way, but then you get the build up of hormone release overlapping over the weeks and that's why they say to use acetate is your inexperienced with tren.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: OTHstrong on June 29, 2014, 08:30:42 AM
Really, its into your muscle and it dissipates, unless you're shooting it in a vein, if you are, then you are doing it wrong.
Tren ace releases 5 times quicker then Tren E so what he was trying to get a cross is that it has a dramatically harder punch in one shot


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Core on June 29, 2014, 08:36:39 AM
Tren is some potent stuff from what everyone says.

reason being is that it does up your metabolic rate to a certain degree. I have a rule of thumb that for every 100mg of tren that's an extra 100 cals you can eat and not gain fat, or even lose fat. You have to eat more on tren, carbs especially I find since going low carbs on tren for extended periods WILL flatten you out and make you look small. Shredded, but small. Gotta find that balance. If anyoen ever has issues with fullness on trenbolone, I highly recommend upping the carbs, and if still no luck with it, a small dose of NPP will help tremendously- it will push out the muscle fibers and make for a very 'tight' look, especially when pumped. This is something I have noticed even after just one shot of 100mg of NPP.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Simple Simon on June 29, 2014, 12:00:07 PM
Gotcha both, cheers,


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on June 29, 2014, 12:56:40 PM
My first shot of tren I took before work at 5 am bout 8am that day I had alot of energy and could tell that something was in my system by 5th day libido was theough the roof.  So the first day I am absolutely positive I felt it . So ide agree it gets in and going fast


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Core on June 29, 2014, 04:31:59 PM
My first shot of tren I took before work at 5 am bout 8am that day I had alot of energy and could tell that something was in my system by 5th day libido was theough the roof.  So the first day I am absolutely positive I felt it . So ide agree it gets in and going fast

Yup. No such thing as placebo if you know what to look for when taking trenbolone.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: OTHstrong on June 29, 2014, 06:02:57 PM
Gotcha both, cheers,
BTW yours is a tren hex, which is in between ace and enenthate for absorption rate. Most will find tren hex (parabolan) the best in terms of side effects.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on June 30, 2014, 01:39:48 PM
For those of you who shoot tren ace ED....do you use slin pin 29G or regular 25g ones?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on June 30, 2014, 01:42:58 PM
For those who use more than 500mg tren ace/week.....do you keep your test dose at trt levels? i.e. 150-200mg/week? Would that reduce side effects of tren ace significantly?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on June 30, 2014, 04:04:59 PM
For those who use more than 500mg tren ace/week.....do you keep your test dose at trt levels? i.e. 150-200mg/week? Would that reduce side effects of tren ace significantly?
Not what u asked but I ran test 80mg and tren 100 eod and only side effects were horny as fuck got on my nerves at times, extreme self confidence, full and strong as an ox on low carbs and had little insomnia 1st 2 weeks. If I run it ed I would use 29s for the less scar tissue. Plus if I wanted to get in upwards of 500 a week I would run ed shots. 100mgs at once is plenty of tren in one day for me.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Core on June 30, 2014, 05:14:21 PM
For those who use more than 500mg tren ace/week.....do you keep your test dose at trt levels? i.e. 150-200mg/week? Would that reduce side effects of tren ace significantly?

Many say it does but I never run my test higher than 1cc usually so I can't really comment on the truthfullness of that statement.. I wanna try it higher soon, but when I do my tren will only be at 100mg EOD.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: oni on June 30, 2014, 07:17:49 PM
250/400/525 test/bold/tren

I shoot the tren with the slin pin yeah, unless it's a Sunday or a Wednesday when I take my test/bold and just put it in the same pin
My libido is off the charts honestly, I usually get dick issues whenever I change anything and have to wait a while before it's back to normal but it's crazy lol.

No sides as of yet, but today will only be my 7th injection. I did almost get tren cough for the first time yesterday though, throat sort of closed up I had pinned my lateral delt. I imagine if I had shot 1.5ml instead of 0.75ml in EOD shots instead of daily the cough would have been BAD!


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: a_ahmed on June 30, 2014, 09:01:48 PM
I only tried to shoot trenA with a slin pin once and never again. Did it in bicep.. disabled my bicep for half a week lol. Tried it in delts, killed my delts for a week and a half (and I have nice solid strong delts -- plenty spots to inject all around).

Sticking to glutes for life lol. Used to do quads too, but don't bother no more, too many nerves. My glutes have veins too but I know approximately where they all are and rotate hah.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: ESFitness on June 30, 2014, 10:38:13 PM
I have no problem shooting tren in delts... however, I can't really shoot anything in bis anymore without being disabled for 2 weeks.

last time I could shoot bi's without a problem was back in '03 with Brovel/Tornel T200 and Denkall (or PetPharma?) EQ when I'd put 2cc in each one every sunday.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 01, 2014, 07:33:30 AM
Not what u asked but I ran test 80mg and tren 100 eod and only side effects were horny as fuck got on my nerves at times, extreme self confidence, full and strong as an ox on low carbs and had little insomnia 1st 2 weeks. If I run it ed I would use 29s for the less scar tissue. Plus if I wanted to get in upwards of 500 a week I would run ed shots. 100mgs at once is plenty of tren in one day for me.

Thanks for response. Have you ever run it ED? And if you have, do you find any difference in regards with lesser side effects due to stable blood level or something?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 01, 2014, 07:37:30 AM
250/400/525 test/bold/tren

I shoot the tren with the slin pin yeah, unless it's a Sunday or a Wednesday when I take my test/bold and just put it in the same pin
My libido is off the charts honestly, I usually get dick issues whenever I change anything and have to wait a while before it's back to normal but it's crazy lol.

No sides as of yet, but today will only be my 7th injection. I did almost get tren cough for the first time yesterday though, throat sort of closed up I had pinned my lateral delt. I imagine if I had shot 1.5ml instead of 0.75ml in EOD shots instead of daily the cough would have been BAD!

Thanks. When one gets tren cough, I wonder if he gets it while still pinning oil into muscle or after he is done with pinning. But I guess that depends. What if one gets while still pinning.....how will he still pin while coughing badly then?  :'( ???


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 01, 2014, 07:45:41 AM
I only tried to shoot trenA with a slin pin once and never again. Did it in bicep.. disabled my bicep for half a week lol. Tried it in delts, killed my delts for a week and a half (and I have nice solid strong delts -- plenty spots to inject all around).

Sticking to glutes for life lol. Used to do quads too, but don't bother no more, too many nerves. My glutes have veins too but I know approximately where they all are and rotate hah.

Thanks Ahmed. When you say disabled the muscle....what do you mean?
I shot 500mg of deca in my left delt last sunday and I still cant do overhead press with left hand and there is this slight pain in the delt.
Does that mean I disabled my left delt with that shot?
Sorry man if that sounds too stupid of a question  ;D


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on July 01, 2014, 08:35:42 AM
Thanks for response. Have you ever run it ED? And if you have, do you find any difference in regards with lesser side effects due to stable blood level or something?
No I have not ran it ed in fact ive only ran it one time at eod.  it started at 50mgs eod then 75 then 100 I tried 125 and 150 mgs a couple pins but I noticed alot more irritabilty with even 125mgs at once and I realized I was getting fantastic results with 100 eod so didnt bother trying to go up any more. Which is why ide say if I went ed shots ide probly start at 50 then ide assume 75 would b a sweet spot for ed injects but to me 100 mgs at once is plenty for me to handle.... mayb im just a bitch lol I will probly go ed next time but use 29gs I have a box full of 25gs


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on July 01, 2014, 08:42:44 AM
Thanks. When one gets tren cough, I wonder if he gets it while still pinning oil into muscle or after he is done with pinning. But I guess that depends. What if one gets while still pinning.....how will he still pin while coughing badly then?  :'( ???
Its about 30 seconds after the pin for me. mayb less but I felt in in my throat and just braced my self my is always just deep coughs about 5 Seconds apart slows down lasts about 5 mins


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: ESFitness on July 01, 2014, 09:27:35 AM
Thanks Ahmed. When you say disabled the muscle....what do you mean?
I shot 500mg of deca in my left delt last sunday and I still cant do overhead press with left hand and there is this slight pain in the delt.
Does that mean I disabled my left delt with that shot?
Sorry man if that sounds too stupid of a question  ;D

for me, it means the arm (when I shoot bi's or tris or lats) is swollen and so sore and stiff that I can't move it.. fucking painfull for 10-14days. no "slight" pain.. it's legit "I think I need vicodin 4x a day to do daily things" type pain.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 01, 2014, 01:39:34 PM
for me, it means the arm (when I shoot bi's or tris or lats) is swollen and so sore and stiff that I can't move it.. fucking painfull for 10-14days. no "slight" pain.. it's legit "I think I need vicodin 4x a day to do daily things" type pain.

Thanks ESFitness. You attribute this PIP to higher concentration of your gear (200mg/ml tren ace) or to hitting a nerve or something?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 01, 2014, 01:43:11 PM
Its about 30 seconds after the pin for me. mayb less but I felt in in my throat and just braced my self my is always just deep coughs about 5 Seconds apart slows down lasts about 5 mins

I wonder if it happens more frequently with tren ace only....as I dont hear guys getting cough after injecting gear other than tren. Few examples of getting cough after test injections but not as many as tren ace by long shot.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on July 01, 2014, 02:06:25 PM
I wonder if it happens more frequently with tren ace only....as I dont hear guys getting cough after injecting gear other than tren. Few examples of getting cough after test injections but not as many as tren ace by long shot.
Yes more frequently with tren since its taken more often and theres something about it that does it. Ive never got a cough through several cycles until I went on tren its no big deal if u expect it not fun but u know whats coming when it sets in so u just stand there try to chill and let it pass for what it does its worth it imo unless u got it everyday that shit would get old. So.etimes I could feel my lungs felt funny for several hours after the cough had passed.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 01, 2014, 02:11:42 PM
Yes more frequently with tren since its taken more often and theres something about it that does it. Ive never got a cough through several cycles until I went on tren its no big deal if u expect it not fun but u know whats coming when it sets in so u just stand there try to chill and let it pass for what it does its worth it imo unless u got it everyday that shit would get old. So.etimes I could feel my lungs felt funny for several hours after the cough had passed.

Thanks mate. How has been your tren experience? How do you rate it for aiding in fat loss at the dose you are running? 300mg/week?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: ESFitness on July 01, 2014, 02:13:49 PM
Thanks ESFitness. You attribute this PIP to higher concentration of your gear (200mg/ml tren ace) or to hitting a nerve or something?

honestly? shit.. I dunno... I've done bicep shots within the past couple years with normal concentration stuff.. 1/2cc 150mg/ml tren ace and 1/2cc 200mg test cyp and it had the same effect.

I could barely use my arm, much less train it... delts are no problem, I can put 1cc eat 400mg enan, 400mg deca and 200mg tren ace in one dose with no problem.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on July 01, 2014, 08:11:04 PM
Thanks mate. How has been your tren experience? How do you rate it for aiding in fat loss at the dose you are running? 300mg/week?
Tren was awesome my favorite cycle. Gained strength great libido  hardness and when I stopped felt run down for like 2 weeks stayef on cutting with mast e and upped test to 400mga a week. I ran sust 80mgs eod with tren 100mgs eod it worked great.  First 6 weeks of cycle was basically test 700mgs a week with epi which I didnt notice and 600mgs of eq which I dropped and traded in for tren. Made me motivated for cutting I feel it helped me with appetite control 2.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Damios on July 02, 2014, 08:10:37 AM
Color of Tren - myth?  :)


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on July 02, 2014, 08:45:38 AM
Color of Tren - myth?  :)
Good one ide like to know too. The tren I ran wasnt all rusty looking just mildly yellow. It may have to do with how or what method was used to make it for the color.??


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: OTHstrong on July 02, 2014, 08:48:22 AM
Color of Tren - myth?  :)
I think it is not a myth, I have yet to see clear tren, in 10 years have only seen yellowish, gold tren


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: residue on July 02, 2014, 09:06:50 AM
not so much a myth but a general tren question. this is my 2nd even tren cycle.

i'm running 110mg eod his is my 6th week of it and while i'm still gaining strength and my dick feels like it's gonna bust out of my skin. i've found myself all out of aggression. when i'm about to deal-lift I'm lackadaisical as opposed to the 1st time around i was just full of aggression and i wanted to rip the weights off the floor. has this ever happened to anyone?





Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Damios on July 02, 2014, 09:10:30 AM
For example, three UGLs. Red vs yellow color.

(http://www.alpha-pharma.com/images/rsz_trenarapid.jpg)
(http://chemicalsupplyltd.com/product_images/u/436/cyberlab001__74817.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=221623.0;attach=259641)


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: OTHstrong on July 02, 2014, 09:16:56 AM
For example, three UGLs. Red vs yellow color.

(http://www.alpha-pharma.com/images/rsz_trenarapid.jpg)
(http://chemicalsupplyltd.com/product_images/u/436/cyberlab001__74817.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=221623.0;attach=259641)
ya I have seen it red too but never clear


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: a_ahmed on July 02, 2014, 04:54:22 PM
not so much a myth but a general tren question. this is my 2nd even tren cycle.

i'm running 110mg eod his is my 6th week of it and while i'm still gaining strength and my dick feels like it's gonna bust out of my skin. i've found myself all out of aggression. when i'm about to deal-lift I'm lackadaisical as opposed to the 1st time around i was just full of aggression and i wanted to rip the weights off the floor. has this ever happened to anyone?


I get great sex/libido with tren. More aggressive/driven than test in every way including libido lol. So I don't bother with running high test anymore. I use other compounds for gains for size (deca, tbol, dbol, etc...)

I love my sex life on tren. Deca though.. This cycle I just got on.. well.. I am using AIs and prolactin reducing drugs and I'm okay but I notice I am less. Tren + mast oh boy...  I wana (and can) do it every hour lol. Add in test prop and I seriously need more than one wife lol.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: oni on July 02, 2014, 05:40:44 PM
Rusty tren is from it being overcooked and oxidised


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: WillGrant on July 03, 2014, 01:43:46 AM
I think it is not a myth, I have yet to see clear tren, in 10 years have only seen yellowish, gold tren
Oxidization.
Tren powder gets darker with age.

Fresh Tren powder is slightly yellow but not overly dark yellow like "older" raws , this will come out close to clear when cooked yet still light yellowish but not dark/rusty.
The darker yellow tren that most are used to is from older/oxidized powders.

I Have seen clear legit Hex.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Shockwave on July 03, 2014, 12:24:06 PM
I hate/love tren. Its killing my hair and makes me feel like ass. Im going to start using significantly less as im not really lean anyway, im not competing,  and the sides are becoming too irritating.

Im really loving the EQ tren test combo though.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: ESFitness on July 03, 2014, 12:56:12 PM
cut my test down to about between 600-900 past few weeks with about 800 tren e and I fucken love it. I've dropped about 10lbs (which is most likely a kcal issue as I've missed a ton of meals the past couple weeks.. few days only had 1 'meal'), but my strength is wayyyy up and my waist is down to about 32 from 34.

zero injection pain and zero cough. I could probably shoot a full 3cc syringe of the 300mg/ml cyp and 200mg/ml tren e every day with no issues.

I dunno why I didn't make the switch from tren Ace long ago.

not much anxiety from this stuff either.. and when I have noticed anxiety, it's been when I've gone 7-10days between test doses (shit comes up and I skip shots)... sleep the past few days has been odd though. typical tren "go to bed at 3/4am and wake at 730am wide awake" type shit, but not feeling tired.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: spiro on July 03, 2014, 01:51:12 PM
Anyone get ridiculously high bps from tren?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: ESFitness on July 03, 2014, 07:22:09 PM
Anyone get ridiculously high bps from tren?

that's common.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: aintitgrand on July 04, 2014, 05:19:02 AM
Anyone get ridiculously high bps from tren?
Yep. Was on 600mg/wk of tren at one point, got my bp taken at a pharmacy and it was 121/90. I've always had low bp as a natty and normal when on 500mg/wk test and 500mg/wk deca. But as soon as I put tren e in, bp went up. Didn't come down for 3 weeks after stopping. 121/90 isn't crazy, but still concerning I think.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Simple Simon on July 04, 2014, 06:49:12 AM
Yep. Was on 600mg/wk of tren at one point, got my bp taken at a pharmacy and it was 121/90. I've always had low bp as a natty and normal when on 500mg/wk test and 500mg/wk deca. But as soon as I put tren e in, bp went up. Didn't come down for 3 weeks after stopping. 121/90 isn't crazy, but still concerning I think.
Is it fuck
120/80 is perfect.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: aintitgrand on July 04, 2014, 07:18:28 AM
Is it fuck
120/80 is perfect.

I know, but according to the chart at the bp station I have mild hypertension. Again, not a crazy change, but then again I was at a gram of total gear which isn't a crazy number. But even at 1g my bp went up. Can't imagine what's happening with guys pusing 3g+ especially when tren is so high.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: ESFitness on July 04, 2014, 05:37:35 PM
Yep. Was on 600mg/wk of tren at one point, got my bp taken at a pharmacy and it was 121/90. I've always had low bp as a natty and normal when on 500mg/wk test and 500mg/wk deca. But as soon as I put tren e in, bp went up. Didn't come down for 3 weeks after stopping. 121/90 isn't crazy, but still concerning I think.

at the pharmacy? did you fit your arm into those machines?? or did somebody take it with a cuff. if the nurse uses a normal cuff on me, my bp is wayyy high and the cuff usually pops off, but when the dr uses an extra large cuff or obese cuff and I'm back in the upper normal/borderline area (usually after a couple cups of coffee.. and I'm usually irritated about some billing issue with the dr.. so it's up a few points).


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: OTHstrong on July 04, 2014, 05:44:57 PM
at the pharmacy? did you fit your arm into those machines?? or did somebody take it with a cuff. if the nurse uses a normal cuff on me, my bp is wayyy high and the cuff usually pops off, but when the dr uses an extra large cuff or obese cuff and I'm back in the upper normal/borderline area (usually after a couple cups of coffee.. and I'm usually irritated about some billing issue with the dr.. so it's up a few points).
lol  I can't get my arm in those thing, lol, not even my forarm


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on July 04, 2014, 07:12:19 PM
lol  I can't get my arm in those thing, lol, not even my forarm
Fuck now I gotta go to the store tomorrow and see if my arm fits in that bitch.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: ESFitness on July 05, 2014, 12:27:04 AM
Fuck now I gotta go to the store tomorrow and see if my arm fits in that bitch.

I put my left arm in one about 6 months ago when I was down around 210 and thought it was stuck.. started to kinda panic since it was 1am at walmart and who knew how long it'd be till somebody walked by, cuz I sure as hell wasn't gonna call out for help. lol.. I pulled the skin cm by cm till I I had wiggle room to get it out... and at 210 my left arm was still about 17, so there's no way I'd try it now.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: mazrim on July 05, 2014, 03:57:35 AM
Kind of a myth from what I'm seeing in the cattle studies, etc. Don't know where the phrase that is used about tren working better in a low estrogen environment and that estrogen was added in to make the meat more marbleized came from.

The charts show less marbleizing with the tren/estrogen combo then tren alone. Added in to significantly increase size of cattle over just tren by itself, etc. and trade-off is a reduction in marbleizing which I would guess is more then made up for financially with the fact that they are much bigger,imo.

Maybe better to run nolva with it instead of ai's to prevent issues if they arise.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: mazrim on July 05, 2014, 03:58:37 AM
cut my test down to about between 600-900 past few weeks with about 800 tren e and I fucken love it. I've dropped about 10lbs (which is most likely a kcal issue as I've missed a ton of meals the past couple weeks.. few days only had 1 'meal'), but my strength is wayyyy up and my waist is down to about 32 from 34.

zero injection pain and zero cough. I could probably shoot a full 3cc syringe of the 300mg/ml cyp and 200mg/ml tren e every day with no issues.

I dunno why I didn't make the switch from tren Ace long ago.

not much anxiety from this stuff either.. and when I have noticed anxiety, it's been when I've gone 7-10days between test doses (shit comes up and I skip shots)... sleep the past few days has been odd though. typical tren "go to bed at 3/4am and wake at 730am wide awake" type shit, but not feeling tired.
Agreed. Ran ace for years but now much prefer the eth version.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: oni on July 05, 2014, 04:22:05 AM
People are not cattle


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: mazrim on July 05, 2014, 05:39:32 AM
People are not cattle
Great post.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: pestosterone on July 05, 2014, 05:40:17 AM
I put my left arm in one about 6 months ago when I was down around 210 and thought it was stuck.. started to kinda panic since it was 1am at walmart and who knew how long it'd be till somebody walked by, cuz I sure as hell wasn't gonna call out for help. lol.. I pulled the skin cm by cm till I I had wiggle room to get it out... and at 210 my left arm was still about 17, so there's no way I'd try it now.
Haha.. swole problems.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 05, 2014, 11:30:51 AM
Kind of a myth from what I'm seeing in the cattle studies, etc. Don't know where the phrase that is used about tren working better in a low estrogen environment and that estrogen was added in to make the meat more marbleized came from.

The charts show less marbleizing with the tren/estrogen combo then tren alone. Added in to significantly increase size of cattle over just tren by itself, etc. and trade-off is a reduction in marbleizing which I would guess is more then made up for financially with the fact that they are much bigger,imo.

Maybe better to run nolva with it instead of ai's to prevent issues if they arise.

I've come across atleast one example of very well reputed member on other forum where he talks about (either injecting estradiol or taking contraceptive pills to increase estrogen level) to get proper benefit of tren.
If at all this particular study holds any weight in terms of humans, isnt 250mg/week test enough to raise estrogen level while running tren?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: aintitgrand on July 05, 2014, 01:57:54 PM
Haha I should have mentioned it was taken by a nurse. The pharmacy is has a walk in clinic at the back that I used. I've never used those machines to measure bp. I'm sure my arms could fit in them though, my arm's aren't that big haha, maybe 17" without a pump. Having long limbs makes it a bitch to build size.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Mawse on July 05, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
I've come across atleast one example of very well reputed member on other forum where he talks about (either injecting estradiol or taking contraceptive pills to increase estrogen level) to get proper benefit of tren.
If at all this particular study holds any weight in terms of humans, isnt 250mg/week test enough to raise estrogen level while running tren?

Will you also be eating fifty lbs of corn daily with those birth control pills, and standing in a metal pen all day, almost unable to move?

I swear tren brings out the inner Brotard online..

Here's what I know, based on many many blood tests

Tren raises bp and negatively impacts lipids

Tren apparently halts dht conversion after a few months (why there was a study to see if it would be ok for TRT because DHT is "bad"  ::))

Tren seems to remove all the SHBG from my body

Tren lowers igf1 AND igfbp3 ,"but bro tren raises Igf". Ok.

Prolactin is BAD

Prami sucks at theraputic doses for lowering prolactin

Cabergoline works well at reducing prolactin but also lowers my igf1 even more. Yay.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: oni on July 05, 2014, 06:33:14 PM
Will you also be eating fifty lbs of corn daily with those birth control pills, and standing in a metal pen all day, almost unable to move?

I swear tren brings out the inner Brotard online..

Here's what I know, based on many many blood tests

Tren raises bp and negatively impacts lipids

Tren apparently halts dht conversion after a few months (why there was a study to see if it would be ok for TRT because DHT is "bad"  ::))

Tren seems to remove all the SHBG from my body

Tren lowers igf1 AND igfbp3 ,"but bro tren raises Igf". Ok.

Prolactin is BAD

Prami sucks at theraputic doses for lowering prolactin

Cabergoline works well at reducing prolactin but also lowers my igf1 even more. Yay.

haha, good post


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 06, 2014, 02:00:29 AM
Will you also be eating fifty lbs of corn daily with those birth control pills, and standing in a metal pen all day, almost unable to move?

I swear tren brings out the inner Brotard online..

Here's what I know, based on many many blood tests

Tren raises bp and negatively impacts lipids

Tren apparently halts dht conversion after a few months (why there was a study to see if it would be ok for TRT because DHT is "bad"  ::))

Tren seems to remove all the SHBG from my body

Tren lowers igf1 AND igfbp3 ,"but bro tren raises Igf". Ok.

Prolactin is BAD

Prami sucks at theraputic doses for lowering prolactin

Cabergoline works well at reducing prolactin but also lowers my igf1 even more. Yay.

Good informative post. Thanks.

Regarding birth control pills consumption, that was to increase estrogen level to get the benefit of tren/estrogen ratio as per the cattle study.
Now, we cant simply disregard it just because it seems idiotic to inject exogenous estrogen in our body. There are almost no studies on tren usage in humans, we have to take reference from cattle studies only. Why do you think this particular fact (estrogen/tren ratio to optimize tren benefits) is bro science when there is a study proving it?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Complex Carbs on July 06, 2014, 04:14:26 AM
Good informative post. Thanks.

Regarding birth control pills consumption, that was to increase estrogen level to get the benefit of tren/estrogen ratio as per the cattle study.
Now, we cant simply disregard it just because it seems idiotic to inject exogenous estrogen in our body. There are almost no studies on tren usage in humans, we have to take reference from cattle studies only. Why do you think this particular fact (estrogen/tren ratio to optimize tren benefits) is bro science when there is a study proving it?
Are you following the thread?

It has been said that cattle and humans are much different.

It is not sound to rely on animal studies for humans.

Sure, if you want to believe, go ahead and inject estrogen.

Be the study yourself and let everyone know how that went.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: phreak on July 06, 2014, 04:38:07 AM
Are you following the thread?

It has been said that cattle and humans are much different.

There is a bit of cognitive dissonance here. If a cattle steroid works positively in humans, then that is normal. If an interaction with that same hormone works in cattle, then that warrants very serious investigation, not ridicule.


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It is not sound to rely on animal studies for humans.
... except when they say what we want or expect to hear?

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Sure, if you want to believe, go ahead and inject estrogen.
We have absolute proof that it works in cattle, nothing to say it definitely will not work in humans. So Occam's razor suggests it has potential.

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Be the study yourself and let everyone know how that went.
Not a bad idea.


In fact I now wonder if this isn't behind the broscience of tren burning fat: fat people taking tren usually also take test, and generally aromatize more -- so they have higher estrogen to accompany the tren. Perhaps the purported fat burning effects are claimed mostly by fatties?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Complex Carbs on July 06, 2014, 06:30:27 AM
Phreak, you are thinking too much into it.

It's just one of the stronger steroids out there.

The fat burning could be because people run it while on a cutting diet.

There is no Occam razor, compare the diet of cattle and that of humans.

Clearly this cheetaboraker fellow is just looking for some magic solution which doesn't exist.
Instead of just training and all that.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: phreak on July 06, 2014, 06:38:55 AM
Phreak, you are thinking too much into it.
My job is questioning assumptions, so please forgive me. :D



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There is no Occam razor, compare the diet of cattle and that of humans.
Yes, wildly different. Yet tren works the same for both. That actually suggests it is more likely that estrogen could have the same effect in humans as well. Without any studies to go by we are all just guessing.

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Clearly this cheetaboraker fellow is just looking for some magic solution which doesn't exist.
Instead of just training and all that.
Doesn't matter, as long as the right questions get asked and answered along the way.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Damios on July 06, 2014, 07:56:35 AM
In my country people competitors belive in; low estrogen environment ( low test or use AI ) + less than ~50g fat + very high carb diet ( i mean even 300g+ carbs daily ) = shredded as fuck. You know... something like trenbolone can utilize/burn carbs in amazing way.  ???

Disgusted or Overload said that only with peptides like GH or Insulin you need carbs. Tren + T3 don't need them, but a lot of people disagree with it.



Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Mawse on July 06, 2014, 10:22:10 AM
Jesus fucking Christ , do you wannabe Victor Contes know what high estrogen in combination with high prolactin actually does to a human male?

I'll give you a clue, it'll give you something in common with these cows you want to emulate - big milky udders.

 ::)


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Cal_Lifter on July 06, 2014, 12:04:29 PM
Will you also be eating fifty lbs of corn daily with those birth control pills, and standing in a metal pen all day, almost unable to move?

I swear tren brings out the inner Brotard online..

Here's what I know, based on many many blood tests

Tren raises bp and negatively impacts lipids

Tren apparently halts dht conversion after a few months (why there was a study to see if it would be ok for TRT because DHT is "bad"  ::))

Tren seems to remove all the SHBG from my body

Tren lowers igf1 AND igfbp3 ,"but bro tren raises Igf". Ok.

Prolactin is BAD

Prami sucks at theraputic doses for lowering prolactin

Cabergoline works well at reducing prolactin but also lowers my igf1 even more. Yay.

Vitamin b6 dosing at 1 250mg pill twice a day has been effective at reducing prolactin for me


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Core on July 06, 2014, 01:52:48 PM
In my country people competitors belive in; low estrogen environment ( low test or use AI ) + less than ~50g fat + very high carb diet ( i mean even 300g+ carbs daily ) = shredded as fuck. You know... something like trenbolone can utilize/burn carbs in amazing way.  ???

Disgusted or Overload said that only with peptides like GH or Insulin you need carbs. Tren + T3 don't need them, but a lot of people disagree with it.



I'm with you on that man tren needs carbs otherwise you will be in a terrible mood all day and you will flatten out wayyyy to much. You can pack on the carbs when using tren and still get lean down to 7% but from there gonna take a bit more determination lol

I also wanted to mention, that I get terrible acne coming off tren does anyone else get this? I don't get it while on, only in the couple weeks when coming off. I HAVE to shower 2-3x a day otherwise i look like I got chickenpox all over my back and delts


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 06, 2014, 03:40:02 PM
There is a bit of cognitive dissonance here. If a cattle steroid works positively in humans, then that is normal. If an interaction with that same hormone works in cattle, then that warrants very serious investigation, not ridicule.

 ... except when they say what we want or expect to hear?
We have absolute proof that it works in cattle, nothing to say it definitely will not work in humans. So Occam's razor suggests it has potential.
Not a bad idea.


In fact I now wonder if this isn't behind the broscience of tren burning fat: fat people taking tren usually also take test, and generally aromatize more -- so they have higher estrogen to accompany the tren. Perhaps the purported fat burning effects are claimed mostly by fatties?

Phreak covers all points very well.
ComplexCarbs, If we use a hormone meant for cattles.....and all the related studies are on cattles....how do you justify/decide its usage and application in humans?
All the effects of tren like increase lean mass, increased feed efficiency...have been studied in cattles only. Still we confidently quote those effects while praising tren. But comes to estrogen/tren ratio study....all hell breaks loose?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 06, 2014, 03:47:43 PM
Phreak, you are thinking too much into it.

It's just one of the stronger steroids out there.

The fat burning could be because people run it while on a cutting diet.

There is no Occam razor, compare the diet of cattle and that of humans.

Clearly this cheetaboraker fellow is just looking for some magic solution which doesn't exist.
Instead of just training and all that.

Just looking for anecdotal evidences (if any) and opinions about the probable effect of tren/estrogen ratio.
If you dont have one, I can understand. But if you are going to question the theory, you should have a reason to do so. And no, cattle and humans are different is not good enough.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: chetanbarokar on July 06, 2014, 03:51:10 PM
Jesus fucking Christ , do you wannabe Victor Contes know what high estrogen in combination with high prolactin actually does to a human male?

I'll give you a clue, it'll give you something in common with these cows you want to emulate - big milky udders.

 ::)

Nolva and cabergoline can pretty much take care of this.
Is this the reason you think the theory of tren/estrogen ratio is bro science? Really?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Damios on July 06, 2014, 06:47:53 PM
I'm with you on that man tren needs carbs otherwise you will be in a terrible mood all day and you will flatten out wayyyy to much. You can pack on the carbs when using tren and still get lean down to 7% but from there gonna take a bit more determination lolm

I also wanted to mention, that I get terrible acne coming off tren does anyone else get this? I don't get it while on, only in the couple weeks when coming off. I HAVE to shower 2-3x a day otherwise i look like I got chickenpox all over my back anntd delts0

But about how many carbs are you saying? Something like 100-150g or amazing amount like even more than 300?


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: residue on July 06, 2014, 07:14:22 PM
how long is too long?
i'm on my 6th week at 400mg a week along with 275 mg test and i have 0 side effects. no rage, no insomnia, no night sweats. strength is good, dick is rock hard all the time.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: Simple Simon on July 07, 2014, 11:20:06 AM
how long is too long?
i'm on my 6th week at 400mg a week along with 275 mg test and i have 0 side effects. no rage, no insomnia, no night sweats. strength is good, dick is rock hard all the time.
Suspect bunk gear.


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: oni on July 07, 2014, 06:29:09 PM
Good informative post. Thanks.

Regarding birth control pills consumption, that was to increase estrogen level to get the benefit of tren/estrogen ratio as per the cattle study.
Now, we cant simply disregard it just because it seems idiotic to inject exogenous estrogen in our body. There are almost no studies on tren usage in humans, we have to take reference from cattle studies only. Why do you think this particular fact (estrogen/tren ratio to optimize tren benefits) is bro science when there is a study proving it?

They added oestradiol because tren alone made the cattle too lean and it fucked up the marbling


Title: Re: Trenbolone - the biggest myths and facts
Post by: residue on July 07, 2014, 08:20:30 PM
Suspect bunk gear.

sorry minimal night sweats, my deadlift and squat have both gone up 90lbs and i'm winded after 2 flights of stairs