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http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html (http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html)
Surprise surprise ::)
Turns out Michael Brown wasnt the 'innocent boy child harmelss college student' mama said he was. Same shit as trayvon. He wasnt a 'child' he was a large man, and already had a record including robbery and assault.
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http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html (http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html)
Surprise surprise ::)
Turns out Michael Brown wasnt the 'innocent boy child harmelss college student' mama said he was. Same shit as trayvon. He wasnt a 'child' he was a large man, and already had a record including robbery and assault.
I wish the police hadn't shot him, I was looking forward to putting him through half a semester of college with my tax dollars. :-\
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I haven't followed this story at all. Can someone summarize?
Kid robs store, is shot by police. Why the riot? Why the secrecy about cop's identity for so long?
#1) Lock up all the rioters for being idiots
#2) The minute you can "hide" which police officer shoots someone, woah, things are very very very bad.
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I haven't followed this story at all. Can someone summarize?
Kid robs store, is shot by police. Why the riot? Why the secrecy about cop's identity for so long?
#1) Lock up all the rioters for being idiots
#2) The minute you can "hide" which police officer shoots someone, woah, things are very very very bad.
From what I read, law enforcement in Missouri can legally shoot to stop suspect fleeing felonious crime.
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From what I read, law enforcement in Missouri can legally shoot to stop suspect fleeing felonious crime.
I'm not sure how I feel about that. I see police giving "parting shots", firing a mag into a car leaving the scene of a crime. I'm okay with that, if they're gonna use that car as a deadly weapon... if they're driving fast and crazy, they're already committing add'l crimes and endangerment.
A felony, tho... I can steal an XBox from Target, that's $400, that's a felony. I don't think I should be shot 57 times by local police because I had an xbox on foot.
Maybe just violent felonies... then again, that's tricky too... someone might call police and "report" i committed felony assault because my crazy ex brought her new man to the mall to fight me... i punch him once in self defense (voila, reported felony) and I run to protect myself. Mall cops waste me for "assault + fleeing felonious crime".
I'm all for wasting dudes that are a danger, however. Run at a cop, it's lights out.
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Did ochooms say the police acted stupidly yet?
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Did ochooms say the police acted stupidly yet?
the real issue here.... did obama negatively affect the golf industry by taking an hour off the links to speak cluelessly on an issue? If even one caddy had to file for unemployment because of obama's actions, I think it's time to consider not impeaching.
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the real issue here.... did obama negatively affect the golf industry by taking an hour off the links to speak cluelessly on an issue? If even one caddy had to file for unemployment because of obama's actions, I think it's time to consider not impeaching.
lol
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the real issue here.... did obama negatively affect the golf industry by taking an hour off the links to speak cluelessly on an issue? If even one caddy had to file for unemployment because of obama's actions, I think it's time to consider not impeaching.
;D
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240, apparently the guy was approached by police (after robbing a store) and the guy with a record of criminal aggression scuffled with the cop and grabbed at his gun (thus escalating situation to lethal force level) , so cop shot him. Hes a big strong dude full of ghetto african testosterone, so he prob took multiple shots to put down.
Or we can believe the story from the other side, that he was just walking down the street with his friend when the cop pulled over and shot him in the back multiple times for no reason, just because he hated blacks ::)
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the real issue here.... did obama negatively affect the golf industry by taking an hour off the links to speak cluelessly on an issue? If even one caddy had to file for unemployment because of obama's actions, I think it's time to consider not impeaching.
In a humorous note, another article i read yesterday specified that obama left the podium after addressing this and other global crises 'at 2:58 pm and was back at the golf course by 3:07 pm'
;D
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240, apparently the guy was approached by police (after robbing a store) and the guy with a record of criminal aggression scuffled with the cop and grabbed at his gun (thus escalating situation to lethal force level)
#1) I don't care about a record, I don't care about size or race or T-levels.
#2) If you scuffle with a cop and/or grab his gun, you deserve to get shot.
IMO, this is nothing like the zimmerman shooting. Those were 2 CITIZENS. One actually fled 2 blocks to escape the aggressor. Then, the aggressor caught up, the kid felt threatened and protected himself against an armed MMA trained adult, and was killed in the process. It's only a shame trayvon wasn't armed - he could have legally shot zimmerman. "Big MMA fighter with a gun chased me 2 blocks while calling me profane names". Pretty clear cut.
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Those factors are simply corroborating evidence which lends credibility to the polices side of the story. Him having a record of criminal aggression and robbery-and the fact that he was approached IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING A ROBBERY LOL- greatly hurts the narrative of his defenders, who paint him as an innocent, lovable teen college student.
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#1) I don't care about a record, I don't care about size or race or T-levels.
#2) If you scuffle with a cop and/or grab his gun, you deserve to get shot.
IMO, this is nothing like the zimmerman shooting. Those were 2 CITIZENS. One actually fled 2 blocks to escape the aggressor. Then, the aggressor caught up, the kid felt threatened and protected himself against an armed MMA trained adult, and was killed in the process. It's only a shame trayvon wasn't armed - he could have legally shot zimmerman. "Big MMA fighter with a gun chased me 2 blocks while calling me profane names". Pretty clear cut.
Can you say revisionist history? Zimmerman wasn't the aggressor and didn't catch up to Martin. Zimmerman reported suspicious behavior in his neighborhood that has been burgarlized 7 times in one year by black teens.
Martin doubled back to Zimmerman's truck after Zimmerman lost track of him. And Martin apparently beat him up, egged on by his 300+lb gal pal who suggested Zimmerman was gay and trying to rape him.
In the process, the self-identifed "No Limit N---a" got SHOT!!
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http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html (http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html)
Surprise surprise ::)
Turns out Michael Brown wasnt the 'innocent boy child harmelss college student' mama said he was. Same shit as trayvon. He wasnt a 'child' he was a large man, and already had a record including robbery and assault.
And, top it all off, the eyewitness appears to be Brown's accomplice in the robbery. From what I just heard on the radio, they stole some cigars (apparently to get their toke on).
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I'm not sure how I feel about that. I see police giving "parting shots", firing a mag into a car leaving the scene of a crime. I'm okay with that, if they're gonna use that car as a deadly weapon... if they're driving fast and crazy, they're already committing add'l crimes and endangerment.
A felony, tho... I can steal an XBox from Target, that's $400, that's a felony. I don't think I should be shot 57 times by local police because I had an xbox on foot.
Maybe just violent felonies... then again, that's tricky too... someone might call police and "report" i committed felony assault because my crazy ex brought her new man to the mall to fight me... i punch him once in self defense (voila, reported felony) and I run to protect myself. Mall cops waste me for "assault + fleeing felonious crime".
I'm all for wasting dudes that are a danger, however. Run at a cop, it's lights out.
Yeah, I agree with you. I really have a hard time giving a shit though when the police kill some Trayvon. :-\
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Can you say revisionist history? Zimmerman wasn't the aggressor and didn't catch up to Martin. Zimmerman reported suspicious behavior in his neighborhood that has been burgarlized 7 times in one year by black teens.
"He's running away". "These a-holes always get away with it". "Fcking punks". "Wheez, wheez, huff puff".
I don't give a shit if he saw a leprechaun and his Lucky charms were missing - he incorrectly profiled and he directly pursued another private citizen, while he himself was a private citizen. He was NOT following auspices of neighborhood watch which says guns are a no-no and you let police do the confronting.
The only
Martin doubled back to Zimmerman's truck after Zimmerman lost track of him. And Martin apparently beat him up, egged on by his 300+lb gal pal who suggested Zimmerman was gay and trying to rape him.
The only corroborating evidence on this part? Um, zimm's own words, and his own lawyer admitted he lied on some parts. "apparently" = zimm's self serving testimony.
MCWAY, you're the same getbigger that argued Hermann cain was being framed, even as accusers 3,4,5,6,7 were showing up? lol I love your persistent critical eye, but sometimes you just have to call it what it is. Hermann cain had some side pieces. ZImmerman got out of his truck and pursued someone he said was running away.
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I hope Sgt. Darren Wilson is black, ultimate ownage of these racist thugs. ;D
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=54574
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http://conservativetribune.com/michael-brown-robbery
wow
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http://conservativetribune.com/michael-brown-robbery
wow
I hate to say it, but if these people hate being bound by laws, and orderly society so much maybe they should go live in Africa? ???
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(http://i.imgur.com/XUbkeFR.gif)
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I hope Sgt. Darren Wilson is black, ultimate ownage of these racist thugs. ;D
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=54574
Lord that would be so funny..... ;D
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"He's running away". "These a-holes always get away with it". "Fcking punks". "Wheez, wheez, huff puff".
I don't give a shit if he saw a leprechaun and his Lucky charms were missing - he incorrectly profiled and he directly pursued another private citizen, while he himself was a private citizen. He was NOT following auspices of neighborhood watch which says guns are a no-no and you let police do the confronting.
The only
The only corroborating evidence on this part? Um, zimm's own words, and his own lawyer admitted he lied on some parts. "apparently" = zimm's self serving testimony.
Nope! Try the eyewitness who saw the fight take place. Try the forensics on the bullet wounds. Try Zimmerman's injuries. Try the shooting taking place near Zimmerman's truck, which was nowhere near the home of Martin's father.
Your own words betray you. Zimmerman didn't confront Martin; he couldn't catch him (hence, your mocking Zimmerman's wheezing). The confrontation took place because Martin doubled back to face Zimmerman.
MCWAY, you're the same getbigger that argued Hermann cain was being framed, even as accusers 3,4,5,6,7 were showing up? lol I love your persistent critical eye, but sometimes you just have to call it what it is. Hermann cain had some side pieces. ZImmerman got out of his truck and pursued someone he said was running away.
And you're the same Getbigger, revising history even when the facts shoot your revisions to pieces. And, as usual, when all else fails (which it often does) you dredge up Herman Cain which has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. (With that said, you conveniently leave out that facts that Cain was cleared of his harassment charges and that his alleged side pieces were lying their behinds off; one of them even got sued in court and LOST for slander and libel).
As for Zimmerman incorrectly profiling Martin:
- He told the 911 guy that Martin looked to be on drugs; Martin had weed (and perhaps, "purple drank" in his system).
- He suspected he was up to no good; Martin has been caught with stolen property in his locker. Plus, the reason he was in Sanford in the first place is because his mama shipped him up to be with his daddy after Martin got suspended AGAIN for.....FIGHTING.
Try as you might to paint Martin as some innocent lamb, the facts say otherwise. Once Martin lost Zimmerman, why did he double back to beat him up (Hint: Rachel "Brain Surgeon" Jeantel)?
Supposedly violating neighborhood watch protocol isn't a crime. Beating up someone, slamming his head into the concrete, IS A CRIME. And, it didn't take much to get Martin to swing on someone. He just swung on the wrong guy and got popped.
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http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/08/15/watch-surveillance-video-strong-arm-robbery-tied-michael-brown
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Nope! Try the eyewitness who saw the fight take place.
Which eyewitnesses saw the fight start?
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Which eyewitnesses saw the fight start?
Once again, your own words betray you. If you don't know who started the fight, then your whole premise of Zimmerman starting the confrontation gets burned to the ground.
The one eyewitness we had cite Martin attacking Zimmerman.
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Interesting. This is why people need to wait until the facts develop before turning over tables, rioting, etc.
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Lmao now the family's attorney (who also represented trayvons family, coincidently ::)) has come out and said the video of him robbing the store is just a smear campaign by the cops..that it was all lies.
Cant make this shit up ;D
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Lmao now the family's attorney (who also represented trayvons family, coincidently ::)) has come out and said the video of him robbing the store is just a smear campaign by the cops..that it was all lies.
Cant make this shit up ;D
What do you expect? He was all over TV yesterday yelling into the camera about how the eyewitnesses were all telling the truth, etc.
I still don't know what I think about this yet, because I want to know if the cop shot the guy in the back and shot him while he was on his knees with his hands up, as some of the witnesses claimed. Too soon to tell, but all that rioting and protesting crap is crazy.
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The one eyewitness we had cite Martin attacking Zimmerman.
no, the eyewitness shows martin on top during a scuffle. there was ZERO testimony on who threw the first punch, was there? Just zimm's own words in his 3 changing stories?
One could argue that zimmerman created a set of circumtances in which trayvon feared for his life. jumping out of vehicle with a 9mm and advancing on someone you admit it running away lol... pretty cut and clear who was creating the confrontation and who was running 2 blocks to escape it. Two blocks of "I want nothing to do with you, big guy" + 2 blocks of abandoning his vehicle and preferring to let the 9mm do the talking lol.
luckily for him, in FL, that's not a crime lol.
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I still don't know what I think about this yet, because I want to know if the cop shot the guy in the back and shot him while he was on his knees with his hands up, as some of the witnesses claimed. Too soon to tell, but all that rioting and protesting crap is crazy.
The forensics evidence will make it clear where the body was and how positioned when the bullet was fired. If he was on knees with hands up, we should know. personally I believe he was going for the cops gun and it was a justified shoot, but I guess we'll see what forensics says. he was fleeing a robbery which doesn't help his case, but there are times when shaky cops will shoot a man in cuffs/surrendering, BART style.
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Several quotes from protestors have claimed he was 'shot in the face'...some say he was shot in the back...which is it?
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Several quotes from protestors have claimed he was 'shot in the face'...some say he was shot in the back...which is it?
Could be both. But those robbery pictures change everything IMO. Or least the initial narrative.
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no, the eyewitness shows martin on top during a scuffle. there was ZERO testimony on who threw the first punch, was there? Just zimm's own words in his 3 changing stories?
One could argue that zimmerman created a set of circumtances in which trayvon feared for his life. jumping out of vehicle with a 9mm and advancing on someone you admit it running away lol... pretty cut and clear who was creating the confrontation and who was running 2 blocks to escape it. Two blocks of "I want nothing to do with you, big guy" + 2 blocks of abandoning his vehicle and preferring to let the 9mm do the talking lol.
luckily for him, in FL, that's not a crime lol.
How did Martin know Zimmerman was armed, prior to the fight?
Once again, you keep making up crap and using "what if" scenarios to prop up your feeble take.
BTW, the prosecutors tried to make the same arguments you keep suggesting and they got beat up in court. You have NO EVIDENCE that Zimmerman confronted or instigated anything with Martin, other than your predisposition to believe the left's narrative that has long since been shredded to pieces.
You just admitted that Zimmerman couldn't catch Martin. So how and why did the fight start? Answer: Martin returned to beat up this "creepy @$$ cracka" who (thanks to his buddy) he thinks wants to get him in the booty.
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if he was shot in back, while on knees, then it doesn't matter if he robbed a store. he was surrendering.
at that height, it shouldn't be hard to diagnose his position when bullet was fired.
if he was shot while trying to wrestle away gun, i dont care if he was coming home from the soup kitchen volunteer, it's a righteous shoot.
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if he was shot in back, while on knees, then it doesn't matter if he robbed a store. he was surrendering.
at that height, it shouldn't be hard to diagnose his position when bullet was fired.
if he was shot while trying to wrestle away gun, i dont care if he was coming home from the soup kitchen volunteer, it's a righteous shoot.
Problem is the cop got beat up. So, if it's shown that Brown assaulted Wilson....GAME OVER!!!
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Holy smokes. Shades of Trayvon Martin. Remember the initial pictures released of Martin showing an innocent looking little kid, but later pictures showed a much bigger kid acting like a thug.
Here is the first picture I saw of Brown (the one on the right):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuwmVweCcAABG6K.jpg:large)
Here is what I just saw:
(http://youngcons.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mb1.jpg)
(http://youngcons.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mb3.jpg)
And no, Option D, that doesn't mean he deserved to be executed, shot, etc.
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Holy smokes. Shades of Trayvon Martin. Remember the initial pictures released of Martin showing an innocent looking little kid, but later pictures showed a much bigger kid acting like a thug.
Here is the first picture I saw of Brown (the one on the right):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuwmVweCcAABG6K.jpg:large)
Here is what I just saw:
(http://youngcons.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mb1.jpg)
(http://youngcons.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/mb3.jpg)
And no, Option D, that doesn't mean he deserved to be executed, shot, etc.
But, if he assaulted that police officer, all bets are off.
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But, if he assaulted that police officer, all bets are off.
Probably, although if he shot him in the back and while he had his hands in the air, there could be a problem. I want to see what the evidence shows before making up my mind.
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Seems like his favorite color was red. Was he a blood?
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240, apparently the guy was approached by police (after robbing a store) and the guy with a record of criminal aggression scuffled with the cop and grabbed at his gun (thus escalating situation to lethal force level) , so cop shot him. Hes a big strong dude full of ghetto african testosterone, so he prob took multiple shots to put down.
Or we can believe the story from the other side, that he was just walking down the street with his friend when the cop pulled over and shot him in the back multiple times for no reason, just because he hated blacks ::)
I'm curious also if he wasn't full of more than ghetto african test - like maybe some sherm, MD 20/20, crack, or whatever. If he was smokin' sherm, that would probably explain repeated shots needed to stop him.
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He looks like a punk/wanna be thug
But unless it's shown, that the police officer lawfully followed procedure. It doesn't matter what Brown did or didn't do before he got shot.
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And no, Option D, that doesn't mean he deserved to be executed, shot, etc.
;D
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If Michelle Obama had a twin she would look like Brown
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If Michelle Obama had a twin she would look like Brown
LOL
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Ferguson Police Chief Admits Mike Brown Shooting Not Related To Robbery
Aug 15, 2014
By Donovan X. Ramsey
The case around Mike Brown’s killing by a Ferguson police officer is only getting murkier.
After releasing images from a gas station robbery to the press Friday morning with the suggestion Mike Brown was pictured in them, the Ferguson police department is now backtracking. In a second press conference hours later, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson admitted that Brown’s shooting was unrelated to the incident.
Jackson told reporters that Brown and a friend were in fact stopped, “because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic.”
He also admitted that Darren Wilson, the officer who killed Brown, didn’t suspect Brown at the time that he stopped him.
When Chief Jackson was asked by reporters why his department chose to release the robbery tape if it was unrelated to the shooting, he replied that he had to because “the media asked for it.”
http://newsone.com/3045219/ferguson-police-chief-admits-mike-brown-shooting-not-related-to-robbery/.U-5vO9nP4Qo.facebook
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He looks like a pretty big boy. They should have just released the info from the get go.
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Ferguson Police Chief Admits Mike Brown Shooting Not Related To Robbery
Aug 15, 2014
By Donovan X. Ramsey
The case around Mike Brown’s killing by a Ferguson police officer is only getting murkier.
After releasing images from a gas station robbery to the press Friday morning with the suggestion Mike Brown was pictured in them, the Ferguson police department is now backtracking. In a second press conference hours later, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson admitted that Brown’s shooting was unrelated to the incident.
Jackson told reporters that Brown and a friend were in fact stopped, “because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic.”
He also admitted that Darren Wilson, the officer who killed Brown, didn’t suspect Brown at the time that he stopped him.
When Chief Jackson was asked by reporters why his department chose to release the robbery tape if it was unrelated to the shooting, he replied that he had to because “the media asked for it.”
http://newsone.com/3045219/ferguson-police-chief-admits-mike-brown-shooting-not-related-to-robbery/.U-5vO9nP4Qo.facebook
yeah murky.
ATM not looking for officer Wilson
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this is the problem. i just read on AOL feed, the latest version from them, is that he stopped him for being in street THEN realized he was robbery suspect just before shooting him?
Dunno if its evolving, but it makes the police look shady as shit for changing such a major detail. Did they come felony arrest style and have an accidental discharge? and if so, was the cop rattled about stopping a burglar, or just stopping a jaywalker?
fishy as fck on the police end. Wouldn't surprise me to hear it evolve into some 3rd version that clears the cop with "inconclusive" ballistics reports.
They should be able to look at the trajectory and entry point, and see if dude was shot downward from 18 inches away while on knees in back (execution, possibly accidental) OR if he was shot from 4 inches away in gut from beneath, in which case his ass was wrasslin with police and very deserving of the bullet.
Looking fwd to the release of this report. if the story has changed ONCE from police spokeman, then he is no longer credible as he is ill-informed at best, and shady at worst. Show us the bullet entry.
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http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html (http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html)
Surprise surprise ::)
Turns out Michael Brown wasnt the 'innocent boy child harmelss college student' mama said he was. Same shit as trayvon. He wasnt a 'child' he was a large man, and already had a record including robbery and assault.
I could have told you that....his pictures indicate pretty clearly that he may roll or be affiliated with the Bloods however the police stop had nothing to do with the robbery.
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yeah murky.
ATM not looking for officer Wilson
Yeah. I think the alleged robbery is still relevant, but not as important if they didn't know about it.
My somewhat rhetorical question is this: why is it that the victim (if that's what he is) can have his family parade the good parts of his background, calling him a college-bound student etc., but it's taboo to talk about the bad stuff, like a potential criminal history? Isn't it all part of the story?
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Has anyone else noticed that the Civil Rights movement in this Country has become nothing more than a cheer-leading squad for dead, black criminals?
Another grotesque thug met his end violently. Let's declare a national emergency and go looting. ::)
The Mount Rushmore of martyred black criminals: Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin and this fat *uck who got shot in Missouri.
Again, where is the outrage for the innocent black men, women and children who are gunned down in cold blood by their own every single day?
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Has anyone else noticed that the Civil Rights movement in this Country has become nothing more than a cheer-leading squad for dead, black criminals?
Another grotesque thug met his end violently. Let's declare a national emergency and go looting. ::)
The Mount Rushmore of martyred black thugs: Eric Garner, Trayvon Martin and this fat *uck who got shot in Missouri.
Again, where is the outrage for the innocent black men, women and children who are gunned down in cold blood by their own every single day?
There is a book by Howard Bloom called The Lucifer Principle that discusses how social groups and movements degenerate over time. I highly recommend it
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Yeah. I think the alleged robbery is still relevant, but not as important if they didn't know about it.
My somewhat rhetorical question is this: why is it that the victim (if that's what he is) can have his family parade the good parts of his background, calling him a college-bound student etc., but it's taboo to talk about the bad stuff, like a potential criminal history? Isn't it all part of the story?
It only makes a difference to those you are aiming to create sympathy and outrage over it.
Tragic as it is.
In the end it doesn't make a difference whether or not he was all those things or some of them.
What matters is whether or not Wilson deliberately wrongfully shot him.
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simple, stupid people want to focus on the person, if he was a thug or a choir boy.
fact is, none of that matters. the only thing that matters is what happened between those 2 human beings when the shooting took place. Doesn't matter if the kid who got shot just did. All that matters is that confrontation.
It's been a couple of days now. if it's a clean shoot, why the pause, why the changing stories about what the cop knew? Where the heck did that bullet enter the kid's body? Shot in back, well, suspend cop with pay and investigate. Shot in front during struggle, hey, clear the cop and move on.
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DOJ told the police to not release the video of him robbing the store. Missouri senator is now blaming the police for the riots/looting that took place saying they incited the riots by releasing the tape.
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After seeing the vid of him robbing the store and strong-arming that little clerk, there's no doubt he would have ended up dead before long, or at best in jail eventually. It's a shame the clerk didn't shoot him first - then there would be none of this going on. No one would make a federal case out of one black guy shooting another black guy, particularly a much larger black guy who is robbing and strong-arming him.
Guys like that in that environment don't live very long into adulthood, unless they get locked up young and manage to stay alive in the pen.
Oh well, it's not like he was gonna rewrite Beethoven's 9th anyway? ???
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simple, stupid people want to focus on the person, if he was a thug or a choir boy.
fact is, none of that matters. the only thing that matters is what happened between those 2 human beings when the shooting took place. Doesn't matter if the kid who got shot just did. All that matters is that confrontation.
It's been a couple of days now. if it's a clean shoot, why the pause, why the changing stories about what the cop knew? Where the heck did that bullet enter the kid's body? Shot in back, well, suspend cop with pay and investigate. Shot in front during struggle, hey, clear the cop and move on.
It does matter when the media is desperately trying to manufacture a gentle giant myth. The media is attempting to poison the well by tainting public perception.
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It does matter when the media is desperately trying to manufacture a gentle giant myth. The media is attempting to poison the well by tainting public perception.
Agreed. That Richard Fowler idiot was saying yesterday that the ONLY thing that matters is that the cop was armed and the thug wasn't, and that now the thug is dead.
Apparently Fowler and his ilk only see it this way when it's white on black, and it apparently doesn't even matter if it's a 7 foot, 400 pound thug attacking a midget or a woman or whatever and pummelling them to the point their life is in danger - if they're white and armed and he's not, it's apparently "murder", and they should be put to death - even though his type supposedly is against the death penalty. ::)
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It does matter when the media is desperately trying to manufacture a gentle giant myth. The media is attempting to poison the well by tainting public perception.
the "media" is a group of tv channels.
The "media" created riots for beanie babies and tickle my elmo. They report "With value of these items about to skyrocket, all the wise shoppers are fighting each other for this priceless toy!" and thus it happens. They do the same shit with eminem concerts or other manufactured crisis events.
If the public is stupid enough to believe a sesame street doll is worth fighting over, lol.
Well, I don't blame TV channels for anything. I can watch the NFL preseason without tackling my neighor as she checks her mail. The problem here is PEOPLE. It's hot, they're poor, and they look for any reason possible to riot. They have one. We all know the best way to proclaim your interest in a political subject is to loot a liquor and furniture store lol. It's an excuse to steal.
IMO, ANY article that blames the tv station, and not the idiot a-hole morons actually doing the looting, is falling right into their trap. The media doesn't "poison" a well-meaning public. They see idiots getting froggy, they give it coverage, and millions tune in to see riots on american soil. nothing wrong with covering it, just as there's nothing wrong with covering a bon jovi show in 1988 and inciting riots of teenage girls.
sheesh, all these rioters should take responsibility. if you're in the street, and you see a crowd of 200 people robbing stores, go home. Get the megaphone, give them an hour to disperse, then open up the fire hoses. easy enough. let the tv show the riots, or show replays of Friends, it's their call based on ratings. They're not daddy to us, they're not moral compass, they're a damn entertainment channel just like PBS or Oprah network.
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the "media" is a group of tv channels.
The "media" created riots for beanie babies and tickle my elmo. They report "With value of these items about to skyrocket, all the wise shoppers are fighting each other for this priceless toy!" and thus it happens. They do the same shit with eminem concerts or other manufactured crisis events.
If the public is stupid enough to believe a sesame street doll is worth fighting over, lol.
Well, I don't blame TV channels for anything. I can watch the NFL preseason without tackling my neighor as she checks her mail. The problem here is PEOPLE. It's hot, they're poor, and they look for any reason possible to riot. They have one. We all know the best way to proclaim your interest in a political subject is to loot a liquor and furniture store lol. It's an excuse to steal.
IMO, ANY article that blames the tv station, and not the idiot a-hole morons actually doing the looting, is falling right into their trap. The media doesn't "poison" a well-meaning public. They see idiots getting froggy, they give it coverage, and millions tune in to see riots on american soil. nothing wrong with covering it, just as there's nothing wrong with covering a bon jovi show in 1988 and inciting riots of teenage girls.
sheesh, all these rioters should take responsibility. if you're in the street, and you see a crowd of 200 people robbing stores, go home.
Im not blaming tv channels. What I'm arguing is that it is perfectly acceptable and in the interest of the public to release the robbery tape.
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It does matter when the media is desperately trying to manufacture a gentle giant myth. The media is attempting to poison the well by tainting public perception.
That's what the media will always do. Make news, news-ier.
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Im not blaming tv channels. What I'm arguing is that it is perfectly acceptable and in the interest of the public to release the robbery tape.
that's just the local prosecutor and PD playing politics right? that's a local thing. My conservative belief system says we shouldn't interfere with that on a higher level - the locals can vote them out.
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more looting, I wonder if another black leader will condemn the video release of the deceased robbing a store for the way these morons acted again tonight. ::)
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interesting, you can hear the supposed eye witness in the background saying that brown was advancing towards the cop when he opened fire and brown just kept advancing.
He said he thought the cop was missing b/c he kept going toward the cop.
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it's a little fcked up that a cop can execute someone for "advancing on him", but I get it.
I don't like that a cop can make this decision on the fly, shooting someone dead, choosing the gun over other means, unaware of any other factors that could be in play. In this case, sure, dude robbed someone and 'advanced on' the cop... but it's weak. if I'm running FROM an armed bad guy and I ran "at" a cop, I might be just trying to get his help or alert him - I might be injured, scared, shitting my pants, whatever. If he shot me dead for "running at" him, that could be very bad. maybe taze my ass if I don't listen, maybe crack me with a club... no need to shoot my guts out.
but I bet the cop was scared... any pics of him? if he was 5 foot 2 and facing someone 18 inches taller, maybe he did open fire before the other guy laid a finger on him. Maybe that's what all the fuss was about?
Either way, it's been a week now? release the darn bullet entry and show us if bullet entered belly (indicative of an attack/confrontation by bad guy) or if he was shot in back after deciding to flee (very bad for cop).
I guess they just work mon-fri and we'll get it later this week then? seems weird, if they have a report that can DIFFUSE this issue, that they'd let riots keep happening. Show everyone the guy was on top of the cop grabbing gun, shot in belly. Show he wasn't shot in back.
I believe it was a legal shoot... but changing stories like they did, and taking so long for a simple "where did the bullet enter", seems fishy.
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it's a little fcked up that a cop can execute someone for "advancing on him", but I get it.
I don't like that a cop can make this decision on the fly, shooting someone dead, choosing the gun over other means, unaware of any other factors that could be in play. In this case, sure, dude robbed someone and 'advanced on' the cop... but it's weak. if I'm running FROM an armed bad guy and I ran "at" a cop, I might be just trying to get his help or alert him - I might be injured, scared, shitting my pants, whatever. If he shot me dead for "running at" him, that could be very bad. maybe taze my ass if I don't listen, maybe crack me with a club... no need to shoot my guts out.
but I bet the cop was scared... any pics of him? if he was 5 foot 2 and facing someone 18 inches taller, maybe he did open fire before the other guy laid a finger on him. Maybe that's what all the fuss was about?
Either way, it's been a week now? release the darn bullet entry and show us if bullet entered belly (indicative of an attack/confrontation by bad guy) or if he was shot in back after deciding to flee (very bad for cop).
I guess they just work mon-fri and we'll get it later this week then? seems weird, if they have a report that can DIFFUSE this issue, that they'd let riots keep happening. Show everyone the guy was on top of the cop grabbing gun, shot in belly. Show he wasn't shot in back.
I believe it was a legal shoot... but changing stories like they did, and taking so long for a simple "where did the bullet enter", seems fishy.
you know that the cop was assaulted in his vehicle first and choose to leave that out of your scenario saying that if youre running from a criminal towards a cop he shouldnt gun you down.
How about if you just assaulted him and tried to take his gun and then ran at him?
youre such a fucking twat.
I agree they need to start releasing information on this. At the end of the day though it wont matter what they release the protestors and idiots like yourself are never going to be satisfied.
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you know that the cop was assaulted in his vehicle first and choose to leave that out of your scenario saying that if youre running from a criminal towards a cop he shouldnt gun you down.
How about if you just assaulted him and tried to take his gun and then ran at him?
youre such a fucking twat.
I agree they need to start releasing information on this. At the end of the day though it wont matter what they release the protestors and idiots like yourself are never going to be satisfied.
Problem is Tony, you can't seem to see your own bias. One version says the thug assaulted the cop in the car. Another version says the cop pulled the guys head into the car and assaulted him. You've clearly already determined that the first is fact, when in reality, we don't know.
I think the lack of transparency in the investigation is causing more problems than it's helping and the speculation seems to be right down clear ideological beliefs, lol. Maybe not though.
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Turns out the little guy working in the store who the thug choked and threatened was brown, not black.
Just tells me that this kid was not only a thug and a bully, but probably racist as well. Seemed like a hate crime to me.
I wonder if he ever did any of that to any black store clerks?
And of course now some are saying that it's because the police released that vid that that particular store suddenly got looted and vandalized. I love the way they take the blame and responsibility for the criminals' actions away from those criminals and place it all on those evil white cops. ::)
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Problem is Tony, you can't seem to see your own bias. One version says the thug assaulted the cop in the car. Another version says the cop pulled the guys head into the car and assaulted him. You've clearly already determined that the first is fact, when in reality, we don't know.
I think the lack of transparency in the investigation is causing more problems than it's helping and the speculation seems to be right down clear ideological beliefs, lol. Maybe not though.
I have not heard of a version where the cop pulled the guy into the vehicle. Please post a link the article where that is said. There is also a version where the guy after assaulting him was told to stop and turned around and taunted the officer and then tried to bum rush him....that seems to go hand in hand with the eye witness testimony.
From all accounts i have heard the guy pushed the cop into the vehicle and assaulted him.
I think you still for whatever reason think I was defending the cops in the other incident and have let that skew your view of my posts.
I agree that there needs to be a better communication on details of the events. All I am doing it posting what has been said by others. I am not making a judgement of the situation and whether or not the shooting was justified.
That being said I am fairly certain in my assertion that no matter what the facts say if they clear the cop the protestors and idiots like 240 wont accept it.
On the other hand if the facts show this kid was surrendering and was no threat, I will stand up and say this cop needs to be prosecuted.
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Skip there has been a huge rush to judgement on behalf of the protestors. They believe the video release was to incite more tension ::). They believe this was a honest law abiding kid who was just minding his own business when he was gunned down by the police.
The fact is the kid was not law abiding, the fact is the kid had a few minutes earlier robbed a store.
All I am saying is lets get the facts first and by all accounts I have heard the story is the cop was pushed and assaulted into his police car
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I will admit that I sure as hell don't know exactly what happened with the thug and the cop, and I don't know if we'll ever know. I have little faith in those "eyewitness accounts", and of course cops have been known to screw up and cover things up.
But the cop has a clean record in that town for 6 years, and then we see the type of person the thug was on that store vid. Somebody would have killed him sooner or later.
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they couldnt find three better looking chicks for that?
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I prefer the liberal definition of diversity, where everyone is either black or brown. Brown hair, brown eyes, brown skin. :D
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I have not heard of a version where the cop pulled the guy into the vehicle. Please post a link the article where that is said. There is also a version where the guy after assaulting him was told to stop and turned around and taunted the officer and then tried to bum rush him....that seems to go hand in hand with the eye witness testimony.
From all accounts i have heard the guy pushed the cop into the vehicle and assaulted him.
I think you still for whatever reason think I was defending the cops in the other incident and have let that skew your view of my posts.
I agree that there needs to be a better communication on details of the events. All I am doing it posting what has been said by others. I am not making a judgement of the situation and whether or not the shooting was justified.
That being said I am fairly certain in my assertion that no matter what the facts say if they clear the cop the protestors and idiots like 240 wont accept it.
On the other hand if the facts show this kid was surrendering and was no threat, I will stand up and say this cop needs to be prosecuted.
Now you're really coming across as dishonest. C'mon, the conflicting reports about the car have been all over the media.
"A shot was fired inside the police car, Belmar said. After the incident, the officer was taken to an area hospital, where he was treated for a "swollen face," according to Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson.
The story doesn't jibe with at least three witness accounts.
Johnson claims the officer grabbed Brown by his neck, and Brown tried to pull away, but the officer kept pulling Brown toward him, he said.
The officer drew his weapon, and "he said, 'I'll shoot you' or 'I'm going to shoot' " and almost instantaneously fired his weapon, hitting Brown, Johnson said.
Witness Tiffany Mitchell was picking up coworker Piaget Crenshaw for their jobs when she saw Brown and the officer "tussling through the window." Mitchell and Crenshaw said Brown appeared to be trying to pry himself from the officer's grasp. Brown had his hand on the police cruiser, trying to push himself away, Mitchell said"
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-5-things/index.html
I've skewed nothing. These are your exact words: "you know that the cop was assaulted in his vehicle first and choose to leave that out".
As I noted, you've made up your mind already.
I don't know what 240 will do (usually depends on direction of the wind), but how they go about clearing or not clearing the cops is important. At a time where we have prosecutors and judges trying to claim that giving the cops the bird constituted a cry for help so they should be allowed to stop a car, we need honesty and transparency in what's clearly becoming a corrupt system.
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Skip there has been a huge rush to judgement on behalf of the protestors. They believe the video release was to incite more tension ::). They believe this was a honest law abiding kid who was just minding his own business when he was gunned down by the police.
The fact is the kid was not law abiding, the fact is the kid had a few minutes earlier robbed a store.
All I am saying is lets get the facts first and by all accounts I have heard the story is the cop was pushed and assaulted into his police car
I would guess the media is not too happy right now. They're gassing reporters. There's videos showing the cops running in afterwards and pointing the camera's downwards after they gassed them for fucks sake. They're arresting them for being in a fucking fast food joint. This is inane, unacceptable behavior. WTF?
I'm sure this guy was no saint. I don't give a fuck. What matters is what happened during the incident and I don't want cops playing judge, jury, and executioner.
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I prefer the liberal definition of diversity, where everyone is either black or brown. Brown hair, brown eyes, brown skin. :D
When diversity studies are done minorities view diversity as more of their own being part of a group not whether the group contains a variety of different kinds of people. I find this hilarious.
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they couldnt find three better looking chicks for that?
We agree 100% here.
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Now you're really coming across as dishonest. C'mon, the conflicting reports about the car have been all over the media.
"A shot was fired inside the police car, Belmar said. After the incident, the officer was taken to an area hospital, where he was treated for a "swollen face," according to Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson.
The story doesn't jibe with at least three witness accounts.
Johnson claims the officer grabbed Brown by his neck, and Brown tried to pull away, but the officer kept pulling Brown toward him, he said.
The officer drew his weapon, and "he said, 'I'll shoot you' or 'I'm going to shoot' " and almost instantaneously fired his weapon, hitting Brown, Johnson said.
Witness Tiffany Mitchell was picking up coworker Piaget Crenshaw for their jobs when she saw Brown and the officer "tussling through the window." Mitchell and Crenshaw said Brown appeared to be trying to pry himself from the officer's grasp. Brown had his hand on the police cruiser, trying to push himself away, Mitchell said"
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-5-things/index.html
I've skewed nothing. These are your exact words: "you know that the cop was assaulted in his vehicle first and choose to leave that out".
As I noted, you've made up your mind already.
I don't know what 240 will do (usually depends on direction of the wind), but how they go about clearing or not clearing the cops is important. At a time where we have prosecutors and judges trying to claim that giving the cops the bird constituted a cry for help so they should be allowed to stop a car, we need honesty and transparency in what's clearly becoming a corrupt system.
no where in there did it ever say the officer pulled the guy in through the window...where do you get that?
Him trying to leave the officer after the confrontation doesnt mean the officer pulled him in. If the officer was trying to detain him dont you think he would have been trying to keep him from fleeing?
Again please show me a link to an article where it says that the cop pulled him in through the window like you stated.
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Another version says the cop pulled the guys head into the car and assaulted him. You've clearly already determined that the first is fact, when in reality, we don't know.
please give me the link to where you got this.
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I've skewed nothing. These are your exact words: "you know that the cop was assaulted in his vehicle first and choose to leave that out".
As I noted, you've made up your mind already.
As I have stated skip there is nothing to show otherwise on this. I didnt even know that this was being debated.
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no where in there did it ever say the officer pulled the guy in through the window...where do you get that?
Him trying to leave the officer after the confrontation doesnt mean the officer pulled him in. If the officer was trying to detain him dont you think he would have been trying to keep him from fleeing?
Again please show me a link to an article where it says that the cop pulled him in through the window like you stated.
They are talking about inside the car. In the link, the cop tried to open the door, but it richoted back on him.
Again, you've made up something you don't know.
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PS johnson is the kid that was with him as he robbed the store, not some random person who was walking by. No offense but Ill take the word of the guy in the video over his...
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“It looked as if Michael was pushing off and the cop was trying to pull him in,” Tiffany Mitchell told CNN on Wednesday night.
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/witnesses-to-michael-browns-shooting-detail-his-last-minutes/
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“It looked as if Michael was pushing off and the cop was trying to pull him in,” Tiffany Mitchell told CNN on Wednesday night.
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/witnesses-to-michael-browns-shooting-detail-his-last-minutes/
So what.
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“It looked as if Michael was pushing off and the cop was trying to pull him in,” Tiffany Mitchell told CNN on Wednesday night.
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/witnesses-to-michael-browns-shooting-detail-his-last-minutes/
THAT DOESNT MEAN HE INITIATED THE ASSAULT!!!
If he was being assaulted and was trying to detain the perp, would he not try and hold on to him?
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No where in your links does it say anything about him initiating the assault.
You made it seem like the cop just grabbed the guy and pulled him through the window for no fucking reason.
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Dorian Johnson was him, Tony. Here's what he's saying:
Here's the version of events given by Dorian Johnson, a friend of Brown.
- The officer told the two men to get on the sidewalk.
- Officer tried to open his car door, but could not because the two men were so close to his vehicle.
- Officer grabbed Brown by the neck and tried to pull him into the car.
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/08/14/details-witness-accounts-vs-police-version-michael-brown-shooting
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As I noted, you don't know, you can't know.
But hey, he was black, he was a thug, cop version must be right. Afterall, they're so honest, lol.
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As I noted, you don't know, you can't know.
But hey, he was black, he was a thug, cop version must be right. Afterall, they're so honest, lol.
thank you for posting your link.
You do know that johnson was his accomplice in the robbery correct?
I am not saying the cops version is correct, I would point to the bystander on youtube which does not in the least corroborate johnsons story about him surrendering.
He was black, he was a thug, he had just committed a robbery none of that matters if he was surrendering.
But lets be honest for a second skip, who do you think is more credible the man who just committed a crime with the deceased or the bystander who supposedly saw it all happen?
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/14/police_in_ferguson_tear_gas_tv_reporters_al_jazeera_camera_crew_flees.html
Here's those honest, trustworthy cops gassing reporters and taking out the equipment.
I see they're taking out the threat at McD's too!
Can't be too sure, those reporters might start the end of the world. The safety of the cops is in jeopardy!!!
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how is telling the truth character assasination?
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But lets be honest for a second skip, who do you think is more credible the man who just committed a crime with the deceased or the bystander who supposedly saw it all happen?
I think at one time, I would have given deference to the cops. Now...no way. They disgust me just as much as the thugs.
I guess we would have to listen to all sides and make a judgment as with anything else, but I agree with you in the sense that he has everything to gain from lying about the incident.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/14/police_in_ferguson_tear_gas_tv_reporters_al_jazeera_camera_crew_flees.html
Here's those honest, trustworthy cops gassing reporters and taking out the equipment.
I see they're taking out the threat at McD's too!
Can't be too sure, those reporters might start the end of the world. The safety of the cops is in jeopardy!!!
yup that must mean that the guy murdered this college bound law abiding citizen while he was on his knees praying to God with his hands in the air. He was going to use that blunts to raise money for the church dont ya know.
you see how stupid, you accusing me of saying the guy deserved to die in the other thread was now?
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/14/police_in_ferguson_tear_gas_tv_reporters_al_jazeera_camera_crew_flees.html
Here's those honest, trustworthy cops gassing reporters and taking out the equipment.
I see they're taking out the threat at McD's too!
Can't be too sure, those reporters might start the end of the world. The safety of the cops is in jeopardy!!!
What does that have to do with what transpire between the officer and fat Albert?
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I think at one time, I would have given deference to the cops. Now...no way. They disgust me just as much as the thugs.
I guess we would have to listen to all sides and make a judgment as with anything else, but I agree with you in the sense that he has everything to gain from lying about the incident.
the guy on the video is no cop skip he is just some random guy for the area who happend to be there at the time it all went down.
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interesting, you can hear the supposed eye witness in the background saying that brown was advancing towards the cop when he opened fire and brown just kept advancing.
He said he thought the cop was missing b/c he kept going toward the cop.
listen to the video skip
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Gotta take out them reporters. Who the fuck do they think they are trying to get the story? ::)
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if johnson is telling the truth it should be very obvious in my opinion from the autopsy. If the cop stood over him while brown was on the ground and shot him the bullet wounds will show that.
If not I think its more likely this guy is full of shit.
If you were a betting man skip, which one are you putting your money on?
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the guy on the video is no cop skip he is just some random guy for the area who happend to be there at the time it all went down.
I think we're in agreement if we assume everything pans out at a trial, this would probably make for a more credible witness.
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I think we're in agreement if we assume everything pans out at a trial, this would probably make for a more credible witness.
Ill be honest I dont think it makes it to trial.
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interesting, you can hear the supposed eye witness in the background saying that brown was advancing towards the cop when he opened fire and brown just kept advancing.
He said he thought the cop was missing b/c he kept going toward the cop.
Did you listen to the video skip?
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if johnson is telling the truth it should be very obvious in my opinion from the autopsy. If the cop stood over him while brown was on the ground and shot him the bullet wounds will show that.
If not I think its more likely this guy is full of shit.
If you were a betting man skip, which one are you putting your money on?
As a betting man, I think it's going to be hazy and there will be tons to put our time to waste arguing about and discussing on GB - intellectual legal center of the world. 8)
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I think we're in agreement if we assume everything pans out at a trial, this would probably make for a more credible witness.
not would make a more credible witness if it goes to trial, he is a more credible witness when deciding whether or not to go to trial
listen to the video
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As a betting man, I think it's going to be hazy and there will be tons to put our time to waste arguing about and discussing on GB - intellectual legal center of the world. 8)
lol but i thought thats what the getbig politics board was for.
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how is telling the truth character assasination?
Agreed. The truth may be better, but at the end of the day it always tastes better than bullshit.
That's a huge problem in our country these days. People would rather be able to lie and be lied to because sometimes the truth "hurts".
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you know that the cop was assaulted in his vehicle first and choose to leave that out of your scenario saying that if youre running from a criminal towards a cop he shouldnt gun you down.
How about if you just assaulted him and tried to take his gun and then ran at him?
youre such a fucking twat.
I agree they need to start releasing information on this. At the end of the day though it wont matter what they release the protestors and idiots like yourself are never going to be satisfied.
I don't "know" anything about what happened - if the police force CHANGED their position on what the officer knew when he fired the gun, then I already distrust them. I trust the bullet hole much more.
And don't lump me in with the protesters, I've already said if it's a shot to the font, belly, from below or straight on, then yes, I absolutely believe legal shoot.
What I'm saying is, if that bullet hole went into his back when he was on his knees lol, well, then yes, that cops needs to be facing investigation in a big way.
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“It looked as if Michael was pushing off and the cop was trying to pull him in,” Tiffany Mitchell told CNN on Wednesday night.
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/witnesses-to-michael-browns-shooting-detail-his-last-minutes/
Is there a dash cam for this incident? The cop trying to pull him into the car sounds very odd. No doubt the kid was trying to get away, but if he did assault a cop in the car, then yes, you shoot him full of bullets. If he fought to FLEE, and was shot in back, well, that cop could have handled it differently.
If he was running at police, and it's clear they're yelling to stop, and he's not... yes, he gets shot for that and everyone goes home. He's a deadly weapon at that size. I'm okay with that. Just release the bullet hole already. If it's to the front, then yeah, he created that situation and paid the price. If he was trying to flee, and was shot in back, then the cop needs to leave the job.
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I don't "know" anything about what happened - if the police force CHANGED their position on what the officer knew when he fired the gun, then I already distrust them. I trust the bullet hole much more.
And don't lump me in with the protesters, I've already said if it's a shot to the font, belly, from below or straight on, then yes, I absolutely believe legal shoot.
What I'm saying is, if that bullet hole went into his back when he was on his knees lol, well, then yes, that cops needs to be facing investigation in a big way.
LMFAO Illl lump your dumb ass in with any other idiots b/c thats what you are.
where did the police force change their story?
They have let information out at idiotic times and have given incomplete accounts of the event but where did they change their story?
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LMFAO Illl lump your dumb ass in with any other idiots b/c thats what you are.
where did the police force change their story?
They have let information out at idiotic times and have given incomplete accounts of the event but where did they change their story?
I thought they changed whether or not the officer knew he was dealing with the robbery suspect. Like the shooting was more justified because the cop knew who he was dealing with or something.
They have rioters and they're taking a week to do a report on the body? Come on. Just clear it up.
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I thought they changed whether or not the officer knew he was dealing with the robbery suspect. Like the shooting was more justified because the cop knew who he was dealing with or something.
They have rioters and they're taking a week to do a report on the body? Come on. Just clear it up.
Didn't the feds seize the body
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I thought they changed whether or not the officer knew he was dealing with the robbery suspect. Like the shooting was more justified because the cop knew who he was dealing with or something.
They have rioters and they're taking a week to do a report on the body? Come on. Just clear it up.
not to my knowledge they never said that he stopped them as a robbery suspect. They released the video of the robbery and then said the officer didnt know when he made contact that the guy was a suspect.
could be wrong but if so please post a link
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not to my knowledge they never said that he stopped them as a robbery suspect. They released the video of the robbery and then said the officer didnt know when he made contact that the guy was a suspect.
could be wrong but if so please post a link
That's one account. Another is that he DID realize the dude was the robbery suspect from the cigars in his hand. BOTH versions have been released by the police.
Things like that matter.
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tony, you really WANT me to be with the rioting idiots on this. but i'm not.
I think it was probably a justified shoot. However, I dislike police changing stories on something so big, and I dislike when they won't release the autopsy showing where the bullet went in. or dashcam footage would be nice too.
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That's one account. Another is that he DID realize the dude was the robbery suspect from the cigars in his hand. BOTH versions have been released by the police.
Things like that matter.
the version I cited goes hand in hand with yours...fucking idiot...
he didnt know he was a suspect before the stop and and then saw the box of cigars and put 2 and 2 together...
do you have a police statement saying that he was stopped b/c he was a suspect?
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tony, you really WANT me to be with the rioting idiots on this. but i'm not.
I think it was probably a justified shoot. However, I dislike police changing stories on something so big, and I dislike when they won't release the autopsy showing where the bullet went in. or dashcam footage would be nice too.
you havent shown any links to prove that the police changed stories. I agree with you about them if they are changing stories but right now we are just going of your credibility and heres some help boss you have none.
There was no dashcam and the cop did not have a camera on him. I agree they should have them.
The FEDS are doing another autopsy, I am guessing they are going to wait until thats done before they release it.
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again, you want me to back the lib rioters. I think ANY rioter should beaten and locked up.
If it's a bad shoot, then go after the cop. Shouldn't take a week to figure this out, as buildings burn.
If it's a good shoot, let the world know and call it a day.
police incompetence/indecision shuoldn't be tolerated.
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again, you want me to back the lib rioters. I think ANY rioter should beaten and locked up.
If it's a bad shoot, then go after the cop. Shouldn't take a week to figure this out, as buildings burn.
If it's a good shoot, let the world know and call it a day.
police incompetence/indecision shuoldn't be tolerated.
so no statements from the police then that show them changing their story?
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Tony, I'm only going to post this once. The police told BOTH versions of the story. They slightly evolved it while releasing the video because, well, they hoped it would diffuse rioting, right? They made that simple little fudging of the truth "the cop DID actually know he was facing a robbery suspect..." That's bullshit right there.
I think the shoot was LEGAL (barring any bullet in the back in the autopsy)
But I think police changing story about such an item (in order to quell rioting?) is BULLSHIT.
I thought we'd agree on both of these points, tony. It's completely possible to hate rioting idiots AND hate lying cops.
so no statements from the police then that show them changing their story?
Ferguson Police Chief: Cop didn't know unarmed teenager was a robbery suspect when he killed him
VERSION 1 - The officer didn't know
Jackson says the officer who stopped Brown did not stop him in connection with the alleged robbery. Brown was stopped, Jackson says, “Because he was walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic. That was it.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/
Wilson stopped Brown and a friend because "they were in the middle of the street, blocking traffic," Jackson said.
VERSION 2 - The officer did know
Hours later, however, Jackson told a slightly different story to CNN and NBC, saying that Wilson noticed Brown was carrying a box of cigars that had been reported stolen. Wilson, he said, initially stopped Brown for blocking traffic, but as he began driving past Brown, he noticed Brown was holding cigars.
At that point, Wilson "made the connection" that Brown might have been involved in a theft that had just been broadcast on police radio, Jackson said.
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again, you want me to back the lib rioters. I think ANY rioter should beaten and locked up.
If it's a bad shoot, then go after the cop. Shouldn't take a week to figure this out, as buildings burn.
If it's a good shoot, let the world know and call it a day.
police incompetence/indecision shuoldn't be tolerated.
Rob, what would you say the "minimum" reason would be that warrants a police officer taking out the strap and shooting a person?
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Rob, what would you say the "minimum" reason would be that warrants a police officer taking out the strap and shooting a person?
the officer would fear for his life, or the life of others. Be in a position to stop a forcible felony. Be unable to use alternative non-lethal means. And he would have to show investigators, DA, IA, etc that he legit had no other options.
Police have a HIGHER standard of use of deadly force. They're trained. They have BP vests. They have tazers and batons and other means.
I don't know the exact circumstances - if the cop just had dude running at him and felt he NEEDED to shoot, well, he can explain that to his superiors. I'm sure they're doing what they did to zimmerman - let him retell the story over and over. If the story changes, as zimmermans did (getting more embellished each time), then there may be lies there. If it stays the same, and he was legit scared, well, it means the shoot would be legal.
Honestly, I think the cop just say big dude jaywalking and yelled something at him, like "d'fck out the street, man!". Big dude was amped up after a robbery, and rushed the cop... probably not knowing what to do, but knowing a radio call means his ass is going to jail. After a few seconds of struggle, big man drops back for a moment of indecision, and copper draws and fires. Most likely guess, but only a guess. legal shoot. It would be ideal to go for tazer, but for a smaller cop against a big dude, it was already a life/death struggle.
I don't think an equally big/strong copper pulls the trigger. Ronnie coleman 1998 probably doesn't shoot him. But this cop did, and if you rush a cop, you run that risk.
getbiggers want me to be the poster boy for the rioters lol... hardly the case. shoot looks legal but I want to see bullet holes.
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Tony, I'm only going to post this once. The police told BOTH versions of the story. They slightly evolved it while releasing the video because, well, they hoped it would diffuse rioting, right? They made that simple little fudging of the truth "the cop DID actually know he was facing a robbery suspect..." That's bullshit right there.
I think the shoot was LEGAL (barring any bullet in the back in the autopsy)
But I think police changing story about such an item (in order to quell rioting?) is BULLSHIT.
I thought we'd agree on both of these points, tony. It's completely possible to hate rioting idiots AND hate lying cops.
Ferguson Police Chief: Cop didn't know unarmed teenager was a robbery suspect when he killed him
VERSION 1 - The officer didn't know
Jackson says the officer who stopped Brown did not stop him in connection with the alleged robbery. Brown was stopped, Jackson says, “Because he was walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic. That was it.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/
Wilson stopped Brown and a friend because "they were in the middle of the street, blocking traffic," Jackson said.
VERSION 2 - The officer did know
Hours later, however, Jackson told a slightly different story to CNN and NBC, saying that Wilson noticed Brown was carrying a box of cigars that had been reported stolen. Wilson, he said, initially stopped Brown for blocking traffic, but as he began driving past Brown, he noticed Brown was holding cigars.
At that point, Wilson "made the connection" that Brown might have been involved in a theft that had just been broadcast on police radio, Jackson said.
the link you provided says this...Wilson stopped Brown and a friend because "they were in the middle of the street, blocking traffic," Jackson said. not Brown was stopped, Jackson says, “Because he was walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic. That was it.”
a small but very important distinction...which one is it 240?
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dude, stop being a police lapdog. THEY MODIFIED THE REPORT, and it BENEFITED THEM.
they shifted their statement on what happened to try to cover themselves on profiling after all the race shit popped off.
the shoot was legal, but POLICE CHANGING ANY DETAILS ABOUT THEIR STATEMENT is a very bad thing.
Why did they change this? Maybe they thought it'd look like cops opened fire on dude for being big and scary while jaywalking. Adding in the "Oh, he was ACTUALLY pursuing a suspect in a robbery..." makes it look better that he shot a dude who didn't have a weapon, and I"m pretty sure the cop was still in good shape, right?
I can see why the police dept would change it - to cover their asses "How many OTHER "jaywalkers" did this policeman pull over this month, and what color were they?" and "oh, what is the ferguson PD history of violence, oh it's pretty bad huh?"
Now, I don't know NOR DO I CARE about race in this issue. I dont give a shit why the cop stopped him, I dont give a shit why he shot him, he will face music if it's a bad shoot. I DO have a big problem with police "adding" this little detail, changing entire motive for entering a confrontation where civilian is dead and a cop is uninjured.
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Autopsy reveals Michael Brown was shot at least 6 times
A preliminary autopsy has found that Michael Brown, the unarmed black teen who was killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, according to The New York Times.
According to the report, one of the bullets entered Brown’s skull from a trajectory that suggests his head was bent forward when he was struck with the fatal shot. The autopsy was performed by Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former New York City chief medical examiner, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the behest of the Brown family..
In addition to the two shots to his head, Brown was struck four times in his right arm. According to this preliminary autopsy all of the shots were located on the front of Brown’s body, which contradicts some witness accounts which suggested Brown was killed from behind while fleeing police.
There was reportedly no gunpowder on his body, which suggests that bullets weren’t fired at close range. But Baden did not have access to Brown’s clothes, which may have contained some gunpowder residue.
This autopsy will not be the final word on Brown’s death. Ferguson authorities are in the midst of conducting their own autopsy. Meanwhile on Sunday, Attorney General Eric Holder authorized a third autopsy to be conducted by federal authorities. MSN
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Gotta take out them reporters. Who the fuck do they think they are trying to get the story? ::)
You are trying to avoid tony's questions and assertions by bringing up garbage that has nothing to do with the altercartion between the cop and the "gentle giant".
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So he certainly wasnt 'shot in the back while running away'. We can do away with that bullshit. The main witness can now be considered not credible.
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Autopsy seems to fit right in line with the eye witness and the cops version of it
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Autopsy seems to fit right in line with the eye witness and the cops version of it
that's right,they already had an altercation where brown tried to take his gun then he walks away then turns and starts rushing the cop,the cop has every right to shoot brown and if it takes 6 bullets to take him down to fucking bad
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You are trying to avoid tony's questions and assertions by bringing up garbage that has nothing to do with the altercartion between the cop and the "gentle giant".
No, I believe I've responded to what he said.
My posting of the other stuff was not in response to Tony. I'm merely pointing out that the behavior of the cops is just as thuggish and disgusting as anything else in this case.
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Autopsy seems to fit right in line with the eye witness and the cops version of it
That's what I saw. I guess they were saying the one on the arm could be him walking away or could be him facing the cop but his arm raised. All other shots from the front.
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that's right,they already had an altercation where brown tried to take his gun then he walks away then turns and starts rushing the cop,the cop has every right to shoot brown and if it takes 6 bullets to take him down to fucking bad
Agreed!
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"In addition, Brown had marijuana in his system when he was shot and killed by a police officer on Aug. 9 in Ferguson, according to this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-investigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/
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"In addition, Brown had marijuana in his system when he was shot and killed by a police officer on Aug. 9 in Ferguson, according to this person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-investigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/
did they blood test the cop?
I remember them testing trayvon, but did they test zimmerman? LOL
IMO, if you're going to test the dead man, at least test the one pulling the trigger too.
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did they blood test the cop?
I remember them testing trayvon, but did they test zimmerman? LOL
IMO, if you're going to test the dead man, at least test the one pulling the trigger too.
I'm sure the cop underwent regular drug testing as part of his job, but that has nothing to do with this 18-year old kid smoking pot.
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I'm sure the cop underwent regular drug testing as part of his job, but that has nothing to do with this 18-year old kid smoking pot.
it's weird they manage to leak the report about the dead man, but not the police blood test.
And since the blood of ONE of the people in a life/death struggle matters, hence your post, I think the blood of the OTHER would matter too.
Believe me, if it leaked "The cop had a BAC of .12 during the shoot", surely there would be people saying "What about the blood of the victim".
LOL @ Nothing to do with it, huh?
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That's what I saw. I guess they were saying the one on the arm could be him walking away or could be him facing the cop but his arm raised. All other shots from the front.
havent seen that at all, all the reports i have read said all the shots were from the front and the shots on his arms were makes it unlikely his hands were raised.
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that's right,they already had an altercation where brown tried to take his gun then he walks away then turns and starts rushing the cop,the cop has every right to shoot brown and if it takes 6 bullets to take him down to fucking bad
Im sure he didnt walk away but what you just stated fits right in line with the eye witness testimony as well as the cops version of it...
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what will be interesting is the number of shots the cop fired. Does anyone know if that has been released?
A few witnesses including the robbery accomplice said brown was shot in the back as he was being persued by the cop. If the cop only fired 7 shots then that essentially disproves their version.
Even though the robbery accomplices version is pretty much shot to shit right now as it is.
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it's weird they manage to leak the report about the dead man, but not the police blood test.
And since the blood of ONE of the people in a life/death struggle matters, hence your post, I think the blood of the OTHER would matter too.
Believe me, if it leaked "The cop had a BAC of .12 during the shoot", surely there would be people saying "What about the blood of the victim".
LOL @ Nothing to do with it, huh?
Ah the mind of a CT nut. I'll let you worry about that and whatever tangled web you decide to weave about this story.
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that's right,they already had an altercation where brown tried to take his gun then he walks away then turns and starts rushing the cop,the cop has every right to shoot brown and if it takes 6 bullets to take him down to fucking bad
I agree about the use of force if he was rushing the cop.
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Cop's version of the shooting
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/08/18/cnn_source_story_corroborating_officers_account_is_accurate.html
;)
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Maybe they should change their names from the Redskins to the Washington Retards.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/08/19/in-preseason-game-redskins-run-onto-field-with-hands-up-for-michael-brown/
In Preseason Game, Redskins Run Onto Field With Hands Up For Michael Brown
From nearly 1,000 miles away, several Redskins players used the Monday Night Football stage to draw attention to the situation that has been unfolding in Ferguson, Missouri by running onto FedExField with their hands up in the air.
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Maybe they should change their names from the Redskins to the Washington Retards.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/08/19/in-preseason-game-redskins-run-onto-field-with-hands-up-for-michael-brown/
In Preseason Game, Redskins Run Onto Field With Hands Up For Michael Brown
From nearly 1,000 miles away, several Redskins players used the Monday Night Football stage to draw attention to the situation that has been unfolding in Ferguson, Missouri by running onto FedExField with their hands up in the air.
Unreal
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there's plenty of things going on that the people can rally around,but this bum brown isn't one of them, he was a thug
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Maybe they should change their names from the Redskins to the Washington Retards.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/08/19/in-preseason-game-redskins-run-onto-field-with-hands-up-for-michael-brown/
In Preseason Game, Redskins Run Onto Field With Hands Up For Michael Brown
From nearly 1,000 miles away, several Redskins players used the Monday Night Football stage to draw attention to the situation that has been unfolding in Ferguson, Missouri by running onto FedExField with their hands up in the air.
There is no hope for these people...good lord.
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There is no hope for these people...good lord.
If you are a young kid being conditioned your whole life to believe that all these evil cops are out here to get you and then you see your heroes on television doing this, people marching in the streets.... WHY WOULDN'T you be out there being disrespectful towards the police and starting trouble?
Hell, it's all you really know at that point.
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At this point they could show graphic video evidence of michael brown anally violating newborn puppies, smoking crack while machine gunning old ladies, and beating cops to death and these idiots would still 'show solidarity' with him ::)
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Again - dozens upon dozens of black on black shootings weekly - NOT A FUCKING PEEP FROM THESE ASSHOLES.
One thug gets in an altercation w a cop and there is a questionable shooting and the whole place melts down.
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Again - dozens upon dozens of black on black shootings weekly - NOT A FUCKING PEEP FROM THESE ASSHOLES.
Didn't you get the memo?
Negroes shooting negroes don't make headline or raise money. 7 black men got popped the same weekend Brown did.
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If you are a young kid being conditioned your whole life to believe that all these evil cops are out here to get you and then you see your heroes on television doing this, people marching in the streets.... WHY WOULDN'T you be out there being disrespectful towards the police and starting trouble?
Hell, it's all you really know at that point.
Violence becomes a justifiable political act. Its a very sad loop we are stuck in
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Again - dozens upon dozens of black on black shootings weekly - NOT A FUCKING PEEP FROM THESE ASSHOLES.
One thug gets in an altercation w a cop and there is a questionable shooting and the whole place melts down.
It seems that the black community only accepts blacks shooting other blacks. No other race is allowed to shoot a black.
Pretty much the same way in which they believe they are the only ones that can use the "N" word.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/18/Mike-Browns-Grandfather-Criticizes-Obama-I-Voted-for-You-so-Come-Meet-Me
;D
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown
:o
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At this point they could show graphic video evidence of michael brown anally violating newborn puppies, smoking crack while machine gunning old ladies, and beating cops to death and these idiots would still 'show solidarity' with him ::)
Sad but true. :-\
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown
:o
Wow. Precisely why people should let the facts develop before committing themselves to one side or the other.
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Good commentary.
Theater of the Absurd in Ferguson, Missouri
Cal Thomas | Aug 19, 2014
It was in a college theater class that I learned about a genre called "Theater of the Absurd." These were plays written mostly by European playwrights between the 1940s and 1960s, as well as a certain style that flowed from their work.
What reminded me of this is now "playing" in Ferguson, Missouri, following the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, who was -- select one -- a) innocently walking down the street when a police officer shot him to death without provocation, or, b) walking with a friend in the street and told by a police officer to get on the sidewalk, whereupon a physical confrontation occurred and Brown allegedly tried to grab the officer's gun and was shot by the cop, now identified as Darren Wilson. This after Brown allegedly robbed a convenience store of some cigars and was seen on a store camera intimidating the clerk as he walked out, which may, or may not, have been related to the shooting.
The rioting and looting that followed and the pundits who weighed in with the familiar narrative about slavery, discrimination, stereotyping, joblessness, lack of education and absent fathers, are familiar scenes we have watched in incidents dating back to the race riots of the 1960s. Blue ribbon commissions have been appointed to study the "causes," laws have been passed, little has changed.
The Theater of the Absurd, as defined by The American Heritage Dictionary, is "A form of drama that emphasizes the absurdity of human existence by employing disjointed, repetitious, and meaningless dialogue, purposeless and confusing situations, and plots that lack realistic or logical development."
Doesn't this sound like Ferguson, Missouri, in recent days?
The cast of characters has expanded with the introduction of the National Guard, ordered to Ferguson by Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon to quell the unrest, much of it apparently fomented, according to some locals, by outsiders taking advantage of the situation to engage in criminal activity.<
Just how absurd things are getting in the St. Louis suburb and in some of the commentary written before all the facts are known can be seen in these headlines on the Drudge Report: "George Zimmerman attorney urges caution" (Zimmerman was found not guilty in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin); "Iran's Ayatollah weighs in;" "Jesse Jackson: 'state execution.'"
If jumping to conclusions were an Olympic sport, some of these loudmouths who insert themselves where they don't belong and frequently fan flames instead of working to extinguish them would win gold medals.
The shooting galleries in Chicago and other major cities leave hundreds dead each year. Most shooters and victims are black, or Hispanic, but only the local news gives coverage. There are no statements from the president. No FBI or Justice Department investigative task forces are sent from Washington. I have yet to hear a credible explanation for this.
It is the same when a child disappears. A white child, especially a female, gets a lot of attention, a black child, no matter the gender, not so much. Isn't this a form of racism?
One more question that adds to the absurdity: Why is so little attention paid to African-Americans who have overcome difficult circumstances to become responsible citizens and committed husbands and fathers? Possible answer: It doesn't play into the media's stereotypical portrayal of the black man as a frightening, threatening, menace to society. Blacks who loot stores make for more dramatic pictures than those who are law-abiding. (To their great credit, Brown's parents have repeatedly called for calm in Ferguson, to little avail.)
Don't the major media have a bias of their own in these matters?
It's all so absurd.
http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2014/08/19/theater-of-the-absurd-in-ferguson-missouri-n1880177/page/full
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Violence becomes a justifiable political act. Its a very sad loop we are stuck in
stop watching. turn off msnbc and cnn and fox anytime they cover this. won't take long for nielsen and directv ratings to show them that people don't want to see race-baiting and riots.
unfortunately, people DO tune in for this. I waited 9 days until I finally tuned in, and only because I wanted to be somewhat educated on the subject for the sake of getbig debate :)
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stop watching. turn off msnbc and cnn and fox anytime they cover this. won't take long for nielsen and directv ratings to show them that people don't want to see race-baiting and riots.
unfortunately, people DO tune in for this. I waited 9 days until I finally tuned in, and only because I wanted to be somewhat educated on the subject for the sake of getbig debate :)
I'm not referring to TV news. It's a cultural indoctrination that has been going for decades.
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Good commentary.
Theater of the Absurd in Ferguson, Missouri
Cal Thomas | Aug 19, 2014
It was in a college theater class that I learned about a genre called "Theater of the Absurd." These were plays written mostly by European playwrights between the 1940s and 1960s, as well as a certain style that flowed from their work.
What reminded me of this is now "playing" in Ferguson, Missouri, following the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, who was -- select one -- a) innocently walking down the street when a police officer shot him to death without provocation, or, b) walking with a friend in the street and told by a police officer to get on the sidewalk, whereupon a physical confrontation occurred and Brown allegedly tried to grab the officer's gun and was shot by the cop, now identified as Darren Wilson. This after Brown allegedly robbed a convenience store of some cigars and was seen on a store camera intimidating the clerk as he walked out, which may, or may not, have been related to the shooting.
The rioting and looting that followed and the pundits who weighed in with the familiar narrative about slavery, discrimination, stereotyping, joblessness, lack of education and absent fathers, are familiar scenes we have watched in incidents dating back to the race riots of the 1960s. Blue ribbon commissions have been appointed to study the "causes," laws have been passed, little has changed.
The Theater of the Absurd, as defined by The American Heritage Dictionary, is "A form of drama that emphasizes the absurdity of human existence by employing disjointed, repetitious, and meaningless dialogue, purposeless and confusing situations, and plots that lack realistic or logical development."
Doesn't this sound like Ferguson, Missouri, in recent days?
The cast of characters has expanded with the introduction of the National Guard, ordered to Ferguson by Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon to quell the unrest, much of it apparently fomented, according to some locals, by outsiders taking advantage of the situation to engage in criminal activity.<
Just how absurd things are getting in the St. Louis suburb and in some of the commentary written before all the facts are known can be seen in these headlines on the Drudge Report: "George Zimmerman attorney urges caution" (Zimmerman was found not guilty in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin); "Iran's Ayatollah weighs in;" "Jesse Jackson: 'state execution.'"
If jumping to conclusions were an Olympic sport, some of these loudmouths who insert themselves where they don't belong and frequently fan flames instead of working to extinguish them would win gold medals.
The shooting galleries in Chicago and other major cities leave hundreds dead each year. Most shooters and victims are black, or Hispanic, but only the local news gives coverage. There are no statements from the president. No FBI or Justice Department investigative task forces are sent from Washington. I have yet to hear a credible explanation for this.
It is the same when a child disappears. A white child, especially a female, gets a lot of attention, a black child, no matter the gender, not so much. Isn't this a form of racism?
One more question that adds to the absurdity: Why is so little attention paid to African-Americans who have overcome difficult circumstances to become responsible citizens and committed husbands and fathers? Possible answer: It doesn't play into the media's stereotypical portrayal of the black man as a frightening, threatening, menace to society. Blacks who loot stores make for more dramatic pictures than those who are law-abiding. (To their great credit, Brown's parents have repeatedly called for calm in Ferguson, to little avail.)
Don't the major media have a bias of their own in these matters?
It's all so absurd.
http://townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/2014/08/19/theater-of-the-absurd-in-ferguson-missouri-n1880177/page/full
Meh...I haven't talked to anyone who has made up their minds about the shooting itself.
I've come across plenty who are on one side or another regarding how the cops responded to things. And, I think it's the police response that has basically continued to escalate the matter.
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Meh...I haven't talked to anyone who has made up their minds about the shooting itself.
I've come across plenty who are on one side or another regarding how the cops responded to things. And, I think it's the police response that has basically continued to escalate the matter.
You didn't see the huffington post headline saying arrest the cop? Or the CNN interview of the kid's family by Lemon where he was a straight up advocate? What about the NFL players doing the "hands up" demonstration? It's a circus.
I know a number of people who have made up their minds.
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You didn't see the huffington post headline saying arrest the cop? Or the CNN interview of the kid's family by Lemon where he was a straight up advocate? What about the NFL players doing the "hands up" demonstration? It's a circus.
I know a number of people who have made up their minds.
The vast majority of people have totally jumped the gun on this. They believe the bullshit because they want to
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The vast majority of people have totally jumped the gun on this. They believe the bullshit because they want to
I agree. And how do you walk your position back when you have publicly called this an execution? Good lessons again, but only for people willing to learn.
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You didn't see the huffington post headline saying arrest the cop? Or the CNN interview of the kid's family by Lemon where he was a straight up advocate? What about the NFL players doing the "hands up" demonstration? It's a circus.
I know a number of people who have made up their minds.
No, I meant people that I've actually talked to - family, friends, work, etc. No doubt some have, but I think a lot of this is part and parcel to the police response.
It's not like the cop's side is any surprise. He wasn't going to claim that he executed the guy on his knees for a minor skirmish, all of which he wrote down on paper before going to work and acting out the murder. ::)
Of course he's going to claim he was in fear for his life. Acting as though the cop has released some shocking news is just as absurd, IMO.
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havent seen that at all, all the reports i have read said all the shots were from the front and the shots on his arms were makes it unlikely his hands were raised.
yeah, I guess it was the guy who helped with the family's autopsy. He was saying that the one in the forearm could have been Brown with his back turned, or could've been facing the cop with his arm in the air. But they also don't have access to all the other info that the prosecution has, so...remains to be seen.
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where are the blood results for the cop?
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yeah, I guess it was the guy who helped with the family's autopsy. He was saying that the one in the forearm could have been Brown with his back turned, or could've been facing the cop with his arm in the air. But they also don't have access to all the other info that the prosecution has, so...remains to be seen.
You have a link skip? I read an article on the autopsy performed by their guy and it said it shows that all shots where fired from the front
Do we know how many shots the cop fired yet?
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No, I meant people that I've actually talked to - family, friends, work, etc. No doubt some have, but I think a lot of this is part and parcel to the police response.
It's not like the cop's side is any surprise. He wasn't going to claim that he executed the guy on his knees for a minor skirmish, all of which he wrote down on paper before going to work and acting out the murder. ::)
Of course he's going to claim he was in fear for his life. Acting as though the cop has released some shocking news is just as absurd, IMO.
Understood. I don't find either the cop's or kid's family response surprising. The cops are probably always going to say it was a justified use of force, or at a minimum that they're investigating. The family is going to paint the kid as a choir boy.
I do think the orbital fracture was surprising. I didn't expect that.
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The orbital fracturing is just more evidence supporting what everyone but the finger pointing black protestors suspected from the beginning...
Every bit of data that has come out so far has corroborated the cop's account and utterly eviscerated the protestors' narrative.
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Understood. I don't find either the cop's or kid's family response surprising. The cops are probably always going to say it was a justified use of force, or at a minimum that they're investigating. The family is going to paint the kid as a choir boy.
I do think the orbital fracture was surprising. I didn't expect that.
Yes, precisely why I think the response and handling by the cops is the real issue here.
Tony,
This is what I watched that I was referring to.
Start ~ 1:53, he says it's consistent with him walking away, but it's also consistent with him having is arm up and facing the cop.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/17/justice-department-autopsy-brown-ferguson/14196559/
All other shots are conclusively from the front as I understand.
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Yes, precisely why I think the response and handling by the cops is the real issue here.
Tony,
This is what I watched that I was referring to.
Start ~ 1:53, he says it's consistent with him walking away, but it's also consistent with him having is arm up and facing the cop.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/17/justice-department-autopsy-brown-ferguson/14196559/
All other shots are conclusively from the front as I understand.
I don't think the cop mishandled the situation at all. As for the gun shots, the shots are in distinct groupings. If four out of five shots clearly entered from the front but one within the grouping may have come from the back but could have come from the front, since all the shots are from the same grouping you must assume the disputed shot did come from the front.
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I don't think the cop mishandled the situation at all. As for the gun shots, the shots are in distinct groupings. If four out of five shots clearly entered from the front but one within the grouping may have come from the back but could have come from the front, since all the shots are from the same grouping you must assume the disputed shot did come from the front.
the first 4-5 bullets may just spin the dude around lol.
my brother shot a guy in the belly robbing his pharmacy. dude spun like a top lol. just a full 360 degree loopy loop. lots of energy transferred, and who knows what all the body does what parts of it are flying off and being hit at 900 feet per second.
I can imagine 4 bullets in the right arm/ (down or shielding face?) would spin the dude, and the bullets keep coming as long as dude is on his feet, so yeah, some of them may hit him in the back before he drops.
Those 6 rounds came outta the gun FAST. The dude spun around fast. Once you make decision to fire, as a cop, you really don't stop until the other guy is horizontal.
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Yes, precisely why I think the response and handling by the cops is the real issue here.
Tony,
This is what I watched that I was referring to.
Start ~ 1:53, he says it's consistent with him walking away, but it's also consistent with him having is arm up and facing the cop.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/17/justice-department-autopsy-brown-ferguson/14196559/
All other shots are conclusively from the front as I understand.
I call bull shit, if you look at the pattern anybody who is familiar with shooting would say that he started at the hand and as a result of barrel rise his shots continued to go up and to the right.
Could have just as easily hit him from the front or following my scenario above the first shot hit his thumb causing his arm to slightly twist resulting in the placement of the second shot which is the one in question.
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I call bull shit, if you look at the pattern anybody who is familiar with shooting would say that he started at the hand and as a result of barrel rise his shots continued to go up and to the right.
Could have just as easily hit him from the front or following my scenario above the first shot hit his thumb causing his arm to slightly twist resulting in the placement of the second shot which is the one in question.
There is a clear pattern of gun shot entry points and it's only logical to conclude that the so-called disputed shot is part of the grouping that came from the front.
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The evidence being released so far does support the officer's story. I also find it hard to believe that the officer would just execute someone in broad daylight surrounded by numerous witnesses. Anything is possible, but just doesn't make sense at this point.
Really interested to see what the full toxicology report shows. Would like to know the amount of marijuana in his system and whether there are any other drugs present.
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The evidence being released so far does support the officer's story. I also find it hard to believe that the officer would just execute someone in broad daylight surrounded by numerous witnesses. Anything is possible, but just doesn't make sense at this point.
Really interested to see what the full toxicology report shows. Would like to know the amount of marijuana in his system and whether there are any other drugs present.
Really interested to see what the full police officer toxicology report shows. Or do they only test half of the people in a violent confrontation... and not the one under state authority with the gun who is still breathing? LOL weird.
Also, IMO, it looks to be a case of the cop giving the dude grief for not obeying the crosswalk. the dude over-reacting and starting shit, some confusion back and forth about who's gona do what, and after fleeing, the dude came back at the cop and got shot for it. Legal shoot.
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Really interested to see what the full police officer toxicology report shows. Or do they only test half of the people in a violent confrontation... and not the one under state authority with the gun who is still breathing? LOL weird.
Also, IMO, it looks to be a case of the cop giving the dude grief for not obeying the crosswalk. the dude over-reacting and starting shit, some confusion back and forth about who's gona do what, and after fleeing, the dude came back at the cop and got shot for it. Legal shoot.
Yes, you can worry about whether the officer was drunk or high on duty. I doubt that was the case. But I'm sure you'll be one of the few people concerned about it.
You can try and be on all sides of an issue, but it doesn't make you sound very smart. This wasn't a cop giving a "dude grief for not obeying the crosswalk." Why do you constantly make stuff up? The reports are that they were walking down the middle of the street.
I don't know if it was a "legal shoot," and neither does any reasonably intelligent person who is waiting for the facts to develop.
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Yes, you can worry about whether the officer was drunk or high on duty. I doubt that was the case. But I'm sure you'll be one of the few people concerned about it.
Maybe he wasn't amped up on weed. Or drunk.
Maybe he was spiked up on ECA and Adderall and poping no-doz like candy. They had 23,000 warrants among 21,000 citizens in that shitty little town. Sounds like the cops worked a lot.
However, if you doubt this was the case, we can just let it go.
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Maybe he wasn't amped up on weed. Or drunk.
Maybe he was spiked up on ECA and Adderall and poping no-doz like candy. They had 23,000 warrants among 21,000 citizens in that shitty little town. Sounds like the cops worked a lot.
However, if you doubt this was the case, we can just let it go.
Maybe he smoked a pcp-laced cigarette that had been dipped in LSD, after being kept in a bag of cocaine.
I don't recall reading or hearing any credible source saying the cop appeared to be under the influence of anything, other than fear.
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Maybe he smoked a pcp-laced cigarette that had been dipped in LSD, after being kept in a bag of cocaine.
I don't recall reading or hearing any credible source saying the cop appeared to be under the influence of anything, other than fear.
I don't either. But they should still check him. Also who reported Brown appeared to be under the influence of weed?
Most people are required to pee in a cup for a slip-and-fall at work, but not for a shooting?
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I don't either. But they should still check him. Also who reported Brown appeared to be under the influence of weed?
Most people are required to pee in a cup for a slip-and-fall at work, but not for a shooting?
I posted the link to the report about Brown having weed in his system.
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I posted the link to the report about Brown having weed in his system.
Can you please post the report of the police shooter's bloodwork also?
It'd be pretty biased of the police dept to test a dead man, but not the man who shot him.
Given the PD, I'm not hugely surprised, however.
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Can you please post the report of the police shooter's bloodwork also?
It'd be pretty biased of the police dept to test a dead man, but not the man who shot him.
Given the PD, I'm not hugely surprised, however.
No. You can run down that rabbit trail all by your lonesome.
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So what if he had weed in his system? I hardly think that's indicative of violence.
If anything, I would think that would have the effect of making him mellow...
Maybe Wilson thought he was gonna take his donut? ???
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I'm tired of seeing this shit on tv and all these people glorifying this thug.all the evidence so far fits the cops story. the two liars I mean witnesses that said brown turned around and was giving up are full of shit,remember they also said brown was being shot at and hit while walking away and they knew this because his body was jerking when the bullets were hitting him,the autopsy has proven them wrong so you can take the two liars I mean witnesses testimonies and throw them out the window.there are real issues in America and and all these people look like fools rallying around this thug
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Ok, so this is what happened.
The Gentle Giant and his friends (lets call them lil blunt blunt and Curtis) got up early on August 9th. Double G, blunt blunt and Curtis put on their most professional attire and strolled through downtown Ferguson searching for employment or volunteer work.
"Say blunt blunt, all of this walking in my flip flops is making me tired", Curtis said. Blunt blunt replied- " Sure thing pal, let's stop at the smoke shop and pick up some soda pop." As the three men walked into the store, the shop owner immediately offered them free cigars. "Oh boy, that's awful nice of you" said double G. But when he reached out to take the cigars from the shop owner, the shop owner noticed that all three men had violated the stores strict -"No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" policy. Curtis was barefoot. Blunt blunt was wearing bunny slippers. Double G was wearing flip flops. The shop owner announced to the group that he would gladly give them free cigars if they agreed to go home and put on appropriate attire. But by the time the shop owner spoke, the three men were on their way out of the store. The shop owner chased after them and encountered double G by the entrance. double G was startled by the shop owner and thought he was being tickled. Double G politely asked the store owner to stop tickling him, gave him a friendly bear hug and gently walked out of the smoke shop.
The friendly trio continued to stop at local businesses in the area, smoking cigars and seeking full time employment.....
(To be continued)
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So what if he had weed in his system? I hardly think that's indicative of violence.
If anything, I would think that would have the effect of making him mellow...
Maybe Wilson thought he was gonna take his donut? ???
Yea I know what you mean, one look at the video tape from the store sure show he was mellow
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Yea I know what you mean, one look at the video tape from the store sure show he was mellow
My theory is he didn't have enough ganja in his system. I always take two more hits for good luck.
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My theory is he didn't have enough ganja in his system. I always take two more hits for good luck.
Ahh he had just enough to piss him off? Must have been why he was stealing sweets
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Ahh he had just enough to piss him off? Must have been why he was stealing sweets
He must have been coming down. That's what the cigars were for.
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And now, there are reports that this meek and mild "gentle giant" almost knocked Darren Wilson's eye out of socket.
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Ok, so this is what happened.
The Gentle Giant and his friends (lets call them lil blunt blunt and Curtis) got up early on August 9th. Double G, blunt blunt and Curtis put on their most professional attire and strolled through downtown Ferguson searching for employment or volunteer work.
"Say blunt blunt, all of this walking in my flip flops is making me tired", Curtis said. Blunt blunt replied- " Sure thing pal, let's stop at the smoke shop and pick up some soda pop." As the three men walked into the store, the shop owner immediately offered them free cigars. "Oh boy, that's awful nice of you" said double G. But when he reached out to take the cigars from the shop owner, the shop owner noticed that all three men had violated the stores strict -"No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" policy. Curtis was barefoot. Blunt blunt was wearing bunny slippers. Double G was wearing flip flops. The shop owner announced to the group that he would gladly give them free cigars if they agreed to go home and put on appropriate attire. But by the time the shop owner spoke, the three men were on their way out of the store. The shop owner chased after them and encountered double G by the entrance. double G was startled by the shop owner and thought he was being tickled. Double G politely asked the store owner to stop tickling him, gave him a friendly bear hug and gently walked out of the smoke shop.
The friendly trio continued to stop at local businesses in the area, smoking cigars and seeking full time employment.....
(To be continued)
"Meanwhile, officer wilson had just returned home from his morning backwoods Klan meeting and was getting ready to go to work. As he groomed his shaved head and redneck moustache in the mirror using his new vintage ww2 era Nazi-issued razor he purchased at last weekend's gun show, he thought to himself 'gee, i cant wait to kill me some neegars today!' as be smiled with anticipation of his days work. He put on his uniform and walked out to his patrol car, admiring the new Confederate flag he had flying from his house. As he got in his patrol car he turned on the radio for his days' orders. The police chief came on the radio: 'ok wilson, i was looking at the numbers and you are behind on this month's quota of innocent black child execution..you need to step it up son! Now go out there and kill some neegars or else!!' This was news to officer wilson's ears! With a big evil grin on his face he set off down the street looking for the first black person he could find..."
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I'm tired of seeing this shit on tv and all these people glorifying this thug.all the evidence so far fits the cops story. the two liars I mean witnesses that said brown turned around and was giving up are full of shit,remember they also said brown was being shot at and hit while walking away and they knew this because his body was jerking when the bullets were hitting him,the autopsy has proven them wrong so you can take the two liars I mean witnesses testimonies and throw them out the window.there are real issues in America and and all these people look like fools rallying around this thug
I'm on the verge of agreeing with blacken. :o
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I'm on the verge of agreeing with blacken. :o
Me, too!!
Who says there are no such things as miracles? ;D
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Did you hear the Missouri Governor's statement? Absolutely outrageous. Calling for a prosecution. Repeatedly saying there needs to be justice for the kid's family. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear anything about protecting the officer's Constitutional rights. Talk about a lynch mob environment.
It is Zimmerman/Martin part deux.
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Me, too!!
Who says there are no such things as miracles? ;D
lol :D
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Did you hear the Missouri Governor's statement? Absolutely outrageous. Calling for a prosecution. Repeatedly saying there needs to be justice for the kid's family. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear anything about protecting the officer's Constitutional rights. Talk about a lynch mob environment.
It is Zimmerman/Martin part deux.
No kidding. In fact, Brown's family hired the same lawyers that were with Trayvon Martin's family. Didn't they just suffer an embarrassing lost last year?
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Did you hear the Missouri Governor's statement? Absolutely outrageous. Calling for a prosecution. Repeatedly saying there needs to be justice for the kid's family. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear anything about protecting the officer's Constitutional rights. Talk about a lynch mob environment.
It is Zimmerman/Martin part deux.
Hes a democrat. Who needs 'evidence' when you have emotion....
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AAAAAMEN!!!!
That's two for two.
Blacken, you're on a roll!! ;D
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Truth.
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Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source
By Hollie McKay
Published August 20, 2014
FoxNews.com
Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
“The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”
According to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said..
“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face.
The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off – although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"
At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6 foot, 4 inch, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.
Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.
The source also said the dashboard and body cameras, which might have recorded crucial evidence, had been ordered by Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, but had only recently arrived and had not yet been deployed.
St. Louis County police, who have taken over the investigation, did not return requests for comment about possible injuries suffered by Wilson.
Edward Magee, spokesman for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCullough, said the office will not disclose the nature of the evidence it will reveal to a grand jury.
"We'll present every piece of evidence we have, witness statements, et cetera, to the grand jury, and we do not release any evidence or talk about evidence on the case."
Nabil Khattar, CEO of 7Star Industries – which specializes in firearms training for law enforcement and special operations personnel – confirmed that police are typically instructed to use deadly force if in imminent danger of being killed or suffering great bodily injury.
“You may engage a threat with enough force that is reasonably necessary to defend against that danger,” he said.
Wilson is a six-year veteran of the Ferguson police force department, and has no prior disciplinary infringements.
Massive protests have since taken over the St. Louis community, prompting Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon last Thursday to place Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson at the helm of security operations in an effort to calm ongoing tensions. The federal government is also investigating the death, and Attorney General Eric Holder has taken the lead – calling “the selective release of sensitive information” in the case “troubling.”
On Friday, Ferguson police released surveillance video showing Brown stealing cigars from a convenience store just before his death. Jackson came under intense criticism for disclosing the tape and a related police report as he also insisted that the alleged robbery and the encounter with Wilson were unrelated matters. Brown’s family, through their attorney, suggested the tape’s release was a strategic form of “character assassination.”
However, FoxNews.com’s source insisted that there was absolutely no spin agenda behind the tape’s release and that there were a number of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) media requests filed by media outlets seeking it. Tom Jackson is said to have waited on publicly releasing it, and did not want it shown until Brown’s grieving mother first had the chance to see it.
“He defied the FOIAs as long as he could,” noted the insider. “A powerful, ugly spin has completely ruined public discourse on this whole situation.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/
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Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source
By Hollie McKay
Published August 20, 2014
FoxNews.com
Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
“The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”
According to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said..
“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face.
The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off – although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"
At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6 foot, 4 inch, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.
Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.
The source also said the dashboard and body cameras, which might have recorded crucial evidence, had been ordered by Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, but had only recently arrived and had not yet been deployed.
St. Louis County police, who have taken over the investigation, did not return requests for comment about possible injuries suffered by Wilson.
Edward Magee, spokesman for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCullough, said the office will not disclose the nature of the evidence it will reveal to a grand jury.
"We'll present every piece of evidence we have, witness statements, et cetera, to the grand jury, and we do not release any evidence or talk about evidence on the case."
Nabil Khattar, CEO of 7Star Industries – which specializes in firearms training for law enforcement and special operations personnel – confirmed that police are typically instructed to use deadly force if in imminent danger of being killed or suffering great bodily injury.
“You may engage a threat with enough force that is reasonably necessary to defend against that danger,” he said.
Wilson is a six-year veteran of the Ferguson police force department, and has no prior disciplinary infringements.
Massive protests have since taken over the St. Louis community, prompting Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon last Thursday to place Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson at the helm of security operations in an effort to calm ongoing tensions. The federal government is also investigating the death, and Attorney General Eric Holder has taken the lead – calling “the selective release of sensitive information” in the case “troubling.”
On Friday, Ferguson police released surveillance video showing Brown stealing cigars from a convenience store just before his death. Jackson came under intense criticism for disclosing the tape and a related police report as he also insisted that the alleged robbery and the encounter with Wilson were unrelated matters. Brown’s family, through their attorney, suggested the tape’s release was a strategic form of “character assassination.”
However, FoxNews.com’s source insisted that there was absolutely no spin agenda behind the tape’s release and that there were a number of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) media requests filed by media outlets seeking it. Tom Jackson is said to have waited on publicly releasing it, and did not want it shown until Brown’s grieving mother first had the chance to see it.
“He defied the FOIAs as long as he could,” noted the insider. “A powerful, ugly spin has completely ruined public discourse on this whole situation.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/
I'm not surprised. If true, officer Wilson is going to have his career and life turned upside down because fools can't control themselves.
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I'm not surprised. If true, officer Wilson is going to have his career and life turned upside down because fools can't control themselves.
True. He's probably done as a cop in that town. His life will be in danger, regardless of what the facts show.
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The narrative of these idiot protestors will in no way be affected by these new facts :-\
And the missouri gov who made that idiotic statement should be disgraced.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source
Figures
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The narrative of these idiot protestors will in no way be affected by these new facts :-\
And the missouri gov who made that idiotic statement should be disgraced.
He's a former State Attorney General, which makes his comments even more outrageous.
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This man has a point, the hooliganism has to stop, however, in his rant, he makes the mistake of painting ALL Black people with the same broad brush, due to his own priviledged status. Priviledge is the failure to recognize a problem, simply because it is a problem that doesn't directly negatively impact YOU. I'm happy for him that none of his many encounters with police ended negatively, and that he's alive to talk about. i'm sure Eric Garner if he were here today, might have a different take on police encounters. As would Marcus Jeter, the man who was physical assaulted by police AND a 2,000+ pound deadly weapon at the side of the road, and set up for assassination by the cops who were suppose to protect & serve him. When they didn't assassinate him, they instead conspired to wrongfully imprison him on false charges.
The vast majority of peaceful protesters (not only in Ferguson, but around the world) also have a point that a lot of people in this thread are missing completely. No one is glorifying Michael Brown, or vandalism, however his death is a symbol or rallying point from which there is no denying.
The way police conduct themselves these days and particularly aimed at young Black males needs to stop.
Failing to recognize, acknowledge, and address this issue is to be asleep in a state of denial, and it will be an extremely rude awakening when you start to experience what others have been experiencing for decades.
Before when it was only "those other people" experiencing it, you had the luxurious privilege of denying the existence of a problem, ...but slowly, and surely, ...many of you will start to get a small taste of it, ...and you'll lose your minds when you do, ...especially guys like BB (not a dig at BB, just an intuitive premonition)
It's not just Black people who participated in the lawlessness on the streets of Ferguson, and it's not just Black people marching & demonstrating in Ferguson... although American news outlets may give you that impression. When I see footage via US outlets, ...all I see are Black people, and particularly those at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder. Footage from International media outlets however, tend to reveal a more encompassing portrait of all the protestors, ...and hooligans. But for some reason, somebody or something wants Americans to believe this is about Black vs. White. It's not. It's about the Police vs. YOU.
Just like any other war with boots on the ground, they take their territory from town to town.
When their MO has been practiced enough & perfected enough, it will only be rolled out to other cities & towns.
Don't delude yourself into thinking you're fine just because they haven't swept into your town... yet.
The guy in the video was right about one thing tho... CHANGE is required of EVERYONE!!!
ps: His commentary echoes that of Louis Farrakhan's during his all day Million Man gathering in DC in 1994
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Ferguson Exposes the Reality of Militiarized, Racist Profiling
The killing of Michael Brown by a Ferguson, MO police officer, who was identified Friday as Darren Wilson, and the aftermath in which nonviolent protesters and reporters were met with a violent and militarized police force have exposed something that has been building for years. Many have written about the militarization of the police and the disproportionate impact they have on people of color, but now more Americans are seeing this reality and cannot escape it....
see more: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/25645-ferguson-exposes-the-reality-of-militarized-racist-policing
Paul calls for the Demilitiarization of Police
video:
http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/police-militarization-adds-to-ferguson-chaos-319148099539
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Sooner or later this idiot would be dead in the street regardless
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Ferguson, the NRA and the hypocrisy of silence
Why the NRA’s silence in the tear-gas wake of Ferguson, Missouri is so telling
Martin Patriquin
August 14, 2014
Demonstrators raise their hands while protesting the shooting death of teenager Michael Brown, in Ferguson, Missouri August 13, 2014. (Mario Anzuoni/Reuters)
On the morning of Feb. 28, 1993, 80 heavily armed agents from the U.S. law enforcement agency Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms stormed a compound in Waco, Texas, in an attempt to serve a search-and-arrest warrant to David Koresh, a 33-year-old preacher and leader of a religious sect. Four agents and six Koresh followers died in the ensuing gun battle. A little less than two months later, similarly armed FBI agents rammed Koresh’s compound with tanks, shooting some 400 canisters of CS gas into it. Seventy-four people, including Koresh and 25 children, died in the ensuing blaze.
The National Rifle Association came out, if you’ll excuse the pun, guns blazing. “If you have a badge, you have the government’s go-ahead to harass, intimidate, even murder law-abiding citizens,” said Wayne Lapierre, then the NRA’s executive vice-president, calling the agents “jack-booted thugs.” Along with the 1992’s Ruby Ridge assault, in which government agents killed the wife and son of white supremacist Randy Weaver, Waco became a stump issue for the NRA.
It’s easy to see why. Both incidents fuelled the group’s reigning paranoia that Americans are forever under threat from well-armed, Kevlar-wearing government commandos. We see the results in the NRA’s ensuing campaign today: weak gun laws, a lack of comprehensive background checks and a hobbling of the ATF itself through budget restrictions and politically motivated laws.
It’s why the NRA’s silence in the tear-gas wake of Ferguson, Mo., is so telling. The four-day police operation following the police shooting of unarmed teen Michael Brown has essentially shut down the city of 21,000. The resulting images are a gun-obsessed paranoiac’s nightmare made flesh: Phalanxes of flak-jacketed police officers line the streets, firing tear gas and pointing assault weapons at unarmed citizens, often with tank-like police vehicles behind them. Dozens of people have been arrested, including journalists and municipal politicians, and a media camera crew had its camera forcibly turned off and its equipment torn down. The “jack-booted thugs” haven’t just stormed a private residence or seized a compound—they’ve taken over an entire city.
And yet, there hasn’t been a peep from the NRA about the incident. The Gun Owners of America, the NRA’s even more paranoid offshoot, mentions Missouri only to congratulate citizen gun owners there. Former congressman Ron Paul spends much of his time regaling his flock about big-government abuses when he isn’t giving away assault weapons or asking for money. He, too, has been mum. (A blog post on his website, not written by Paul, decries the “militarization of police,” but chides protestors for not remaining calm.)
This seemingly perfect spectacle for NRA outrage—the shooting of an unarmed man, cops with outsized weapons, mass arrests—is flawed for one reason: Michael Brown was African-American. As such, he doesn’t fit the profile of the typical NRA member and, apparently, doesn’t warrant the group’s paranoid rage it has displayed in the case of Randy Weaver, a known racist who was armed to the teeth at the time of the standoff. The NRA’s lack of rhetoric about Michael Brown, like Trayvon Martin before him, speaks volumes about the group’s other reigning paranoia, this one, race-based.
As an 18-year-old black youth, Brown was less an NRA poster boy for the militarized overindulgences of law enforcement than the unspoken reason why many of its members buy guns in the first place. The NRA is too politically savvy to admit its racial bias; thankfully for us, proud Gun Owners of America member Ron Paul isn’t. “Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 per cent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal,” was but one choice nugget from a series of newsletters carrying Ron Paul’s name from the ’80s and ’90s.
There are pro-gun types who have decried police action in Ferguson. Libertarian blogger Will Grigg wrote brilliantly about how Brown’s killing is both a demonstration of law enforcement’s tendency to use unreasonable force and the “low-grade military occupation” of Ferguson’s black residents. Rand “son of Ron” Paul, meanwhile, called for the immediate demilitarization of police.
Yet the NRA’s silence following the shooting of an unarmed American, and the subsequent police takeover of his town, is louder than hell.
http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/ferguson-the-nra-and-the-hypocrisy-of-silence/
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This man has a point, the hooliganism has to stop, however, in his rant, he makes the mistake of painting ALL Black people with the same broad brush, due to his own priviledged status. Priviledge is the failure to recognize a problem, simply because it is a problem that doesn't directly negatively impact YOU. I'm happy for him that none of his many encounters with police ended negatively, and that he's alive to talk about. i'm sure Eric Garner if he were here today, might have a different take on police encounters. As would Marcus Jeter, the man who was physical assaulted by police AND a 2,000+ pound deadly weapon at the side of the road, and set up for assassination by the cops who were suppose to protect & serve him. When they didn't assassinate him, they instead conspired to wrongfully imprison him on false charges.
The vast majority of peaceful protesters (not only in Ferguson, but around the world) also have a point that a lot of people in this thread are missing completely. No one is glorifying Michael Brown, or vandalism, however his death is a symbol or rallying point from which there is no denying.
The way police conduct themselves these days and particularly aimed at young Black males needs to stop.
Failing to recognize, acknowledge, and address this issue is to be asleep in a state of denial, and it will be an extremely rude awakening when you start to experience what others have been experiencing for decades.
Before when it was only "those other people" experiencing it, you had the luxurious privilege of denying the existence of a problem, ...but slowly, and surely, ...many of you will start to get a small taste of it, ...and you'll lose your minds when you do, ...especially guys like BB (not a dig at BB, just an intuitive premonition)
It's not just Black people who participated in the lawlessness on the streets of Ferguson, and it's not just Black people marching & demonstrating in Ferguson... although American news outlets may give you that impression. When I see footage via US outlets, ...all I see are Black people, and particularly those at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder. Footage from International media outlets however, tend to reveal a more encompassing portrait of all the protestors, ...and hooligans. But for some reason, somebody or something wants Americans to believe this is about Black vs. White. It's not. It's about the Police vs. YOU.
Just like any other war with boots on the ground, they take their territory from town to town.
When their MO has been practiced enough & perfected enough, it will only be rolled out to other cities & towns.
Don't delude yourself into thinking you're fine just because they haven't swept into your town... yet.
The guy in the video was right about one thing tho... CHANGE is required of EVERYONE!!!
ps: His commentary echoes that of Louis Farrakhan's during his all day Million Man gathering in DC in 1994
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Ferguson Exposes the Reality of Militiarized, Racist Profiling
The killing of Michael Brown by a Ferguson, MO police officer, who was identified Friday as Darren Wilson, and the aftermath in which nonviolent protesters and reporters were met with a violent and militarized police force have exposed something that has been building for years. Many have written about the militarization of the police and the disproportionate impact they have on people of color, but now more Americans are seeing this reality and cannot escape it....
see more: http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/25645-ferguson-exposes-the-reality-of-militarized-racist-policing
Paul calls for the Demilitiarization of Police
video:
http://www.msnbc.com/andrea-mitchell-reports/watch/police-militarization-adds-to-ferguson-chaos-319148099539
Do you know the statistics on police officer involved shootings? Do you know the statistics on racial crime? No, you don't so just quietly back away and don't enter this thread again. You have no sense of reality and should not interject yourself into conversations you have no clue about.
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Do you know the statistics on police officer involved shootings? Do you know the statistics on racial crime? No, you don't so just quietly back away and don't enter this thread again. You have no sense of reality and should not interject yourself into conversations you have no clue about.
Archer, it doesn't work like that. When you ask a question, you are supposed to wait for a response from the person to whom the question has been posed. You don't get to inject your own wishful thinking in, use that as a substitute response.
As for my knowledge of the stats on police officer involved shootings... Yes, there are too many of them.
Look around you... Look at what your country has become. Look at what you're doing both to yourselves at home, and to others abroad. Is this really who you are, ...how you want to live, ...and if you continue on the same path, how you want to be remembered?
Personally, I think America, and Americans are better than that. The only question is do you have the WILL to create the changes necessary while it is still for the most part "somebody else's problem"
There's a cancer in your society, which is convenient & expeditious for many to deny, but like all cancers that metastasize, ...they eventually consume their host.
Hasn't there already been far too much innocent blood shed, ...on all sides? :'(
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Archer, it doesn't work like that. When you ask a question, you are supposed to wait for a response from the person to whom the question has been posed. You don't get to inject your own wishful thinking in, use that as a substitute response.
As for my knowledge of the stats on police officer involved shootings... Yes, there are too many of them.
Look around you... Look at what your country has become. Look at what you're doing both to yourselves at home, and to others abroad. Is this really who you are, ...how you want to live, ...and if you continue of the same path, how you want to be remembered? Personally, I think America, and Americans are better than that. The only question is do you have the WILL to create the changes necessary while it is still for the most part "somebody else's problem"
There's a cancer in your society, which is convenient & expeditious for many to deny, but like all cancers that metastasize, ...they eventually consume their host.
Hasn't there already been far too much innocent blood shed, ...on all sides? :'(
You have no knowledge about anything. You make no arguments based on facts. You don't even bother to do research. You have have no clue about the number of racial crimes or officer shootings. You live in a fantasy world created by your own paranoia, ignorance and wishful thinking. You are part of the problem.
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I don't think the cop mishandled the situation at all. As for the gun shots, the shots are in distinct groupings. If four out of five shots clearly entered from the front but one within the grouping may have come from the back but could have come from the front, since all the shots are from the same grouping you must assume the disputed shot did come from the front.
Not the cop who did the shooting, we still don't know how he handled the situation.
I'm talking about the aftermath and now. Hell just last night there was cop pointing his gun at a reporter telling him that he would fucking kill him and to go fuck himself.
Their entire overly militant behavior has been nothing but deplorable.
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"Meanwhile, officer wilson had just returned home from his morning backwoods Klan meeting and was getting ready to go to work. As he groomed his shaved head and redneck moustache in the mirror using his new vintage ww2 era Nazi-issued razor he purchased at last weekend's gun show, he thought to himself 'gee, i cant wait to kill me some neegars today!' as be smiled with anticipation of his days work. He put on his uniform and walked out to his patrol car, admiring the new Confederate flag he had flying from his house. As he got in his patrol car he turned on the radio for his days' orders. The police chief came on the radio: 'ok wilson, i was looking at the numbers and you are behind on this month's quota of innocent black child execution..you need to step it up son! Now go out there and kill some neegars or else!!' This was news to officer wilson's ears! With a big evil grin on his face he set off down the street looking for the first black person he could find..."
As lil Blunt Blunt, Curtis and double G pranced through the streets of Ferguson holding hands, the evil redneck Officer Wilson approached in his police car. Officer Wilson was drunk on homemade moonshine and was in an aggressive mood because he spent the earlier part of the day watching Robocop at the station house. He pulled up to the three "youths" and shouted "Arrite you neeggers, start doing jumping jacks or I'm a gonna shoot". Blunt Blunt, Curtis and double G immediately stopped walking and began doing jumping jacks. After a few seconds, Double G noticed that a lost puppy had wandered into the middle of the street. double G continued doing jumping jacks as he valiantly attempted to rescue the puppy. At that point, evil Honky Officer Wilson shot the Gentle Giant 6 times while his hands were raised above his head. As he fired, he yelled "Confederacy Forever!" One of the bullet casings that discharged from the gun struck Officer Wilson in the eye. As a result his orbital bone was broken.
Case Closed.
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The shoot was legal. Dude beat the cop badly.
HOWEVER, the new fox news narrative, from an "insider source", said:
The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off
This total bullshit story - a gun GOING OFF - makes police look like total liars. Of course, there was solid proof they fought - cop had a broken face. But the shoot was rapid emptying of 6+ bullets into the man in rapid succession. Justified.
It was not "the gun went off in a struggle" and I spit on the ignorance of them saying it like that. Trying to appease the crowd, as it'll peel off 5% of the rioters because they heard something about a gun going off.
Stick by your guns, police department. Justified shoot. Cop defending his life. Nothing else. No gun "went off in a struggle". That's horse shit. Just FOX throwing out more possibilities, different versions of the story. Bullshit.
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anybody ever listen to this upstanding citizens version?
He says that brown was shot once in the vehicle, once while running away and then the officer fired 7 more shots as he was over brown while brown was trying to kneel down.
Thats a total of 9 shots fired by his count, brown was hit 6 times one of which was supposedly in the back which never happend. He is saying that the cop missed three times while standing over brown?
this guy is so full of shit
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anybody ever listen to this upstanding citizens version?
He says that brown was shot once in the vehicle, once while running away and then the officer fired 7 more shots as he was over brown while brown was trying to kneel down.
Thats a total of 8 shots fired by his count, brown was hit 6 times one of which was supposedly in the back which never happend. He is saying that the cop missed twice while standing over brown?
this guy is so full of shit
These are the witnesses Mr. Turbo likes bring up.
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You have no knowledge about anything. You make no arguments based on facts. You don't even bother to do research. You have have no clue about the number of racial crimes or officer shootings. You live in a fantasy world created by your own paranoia, ignorance and wishful thinking. You are part of the problem.
I don't live in a fantasy world. I live in a civilized country where police are not soldiers waging war on the very people they are supposed to protect & serve. I live in a world where the police are members OF the communities they protect & serve. Given the militarization so prevalent and accepted in your country tho, I can see where you would be any non- militarized police siege of society to be nothing but fantasy, ...but it exists.
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In fact, not only is their motto "To Protect & Serve", some take it a step further and decide "To Twerk & Serve"
While 6 unprofessional cops in dereliction of their duties were committing manslaughter on Eric Garner in NY, Toronto cops were dancing in the rain alongside revellers at the Beaches Jazz festival, proudly showing off & sharing some of the beauty in his native culture with fellow Torontonians.
An excellent example of what life can be like in a peaceful, civilized, multi-cultural society, where people actually choose to learn about other realities, and the effective policing of a community isn't conducted like a military occupation of a foreign country.
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in this video he says the officer walked toward brown after he got out of the vehicle. The video posted earlier says he ran after brown...
This guys is so full of shit
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Not the cop who did the shooting, we still don't know how he handled the situation.
I'm talking about the aftermath and now. Hell just last night there was cop pointing his gun at a reporter telling him that he would fucking kill him and to go fuck himself.
Their entire overly militant behavior has been nothing but deplorable.
I'm glad to see that someone else gets it. There's hope for your country yet. :)
Ferguson cops threatening to kill journalists
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I just heard from a well connected friend that :
***BREAKING NEWS***
Dorian Johnson has now admitted that Michael Brown attacked
Apparently the police officer is supposedly not going to be charged. This differs from my understanding that the governor has called for a "vigorous prosecution of Darren Wilson"
In any event, whatever they do, charge him or not, ...they really need to handle themselves much better than they have been.
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I just heard from a well connected friend that :
***BREAKING NEWS***
Dorian Johnson has now admitted that Michael Brown attacked
Apparently the police officer is supposedly not going to be charged. This differs from my understanding that the governor has called for a "vigorous prosecution of Darren Wilson"
In any event, whatever they do, charge him or not, ...they really need to handle themselves much better than they have been.
havent heard anything on the new channels, you got a link?
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found a few links that point back to a local radio station.
It supposedly was released yesterday, havent heard anything from the news....
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anybody ever listen to this upstanding citizens version?
He says that brown was shot once in the vehicle, once while running away and then the officer fired 7 more shots as he was over brown while brown was trying to kneel down.
Thats a total of 9 shots fired by his count, brown was hit 6 times one of which was supposedly in the back which never happend. He is saying that the cop missed three times while standing over brown?
this guy is so full of shit
Yeah. His story does not sound credible at all.
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I don't live in a fantasy world. I live in a civilized country where police are not soldiers waging war on the very people they are supposed to protect & serve. I live in a world where the police are members OF the communities they protect & serve. Given the militarization so prevalent and accepted in your country tho, I can see where you would be any non- militarized police siege of society to be nothing but fantasy, ...but it exists.
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Please point out the "urban youth" in your phaggoty photo......because right now you come off as not having a fucking clue about the criminal element that inner city police officers are up against in the U.S.
Another stupid fucking Canadian thinking his small-world, distorted level of self-importance, opinion needs to be heard. ::)
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I just heard from a well connected friend that :
***BREAKING NEWS***
Dorian Johnson has now admitted that Michael Brown attacked
Apparently the police officer is supposedly not going to be charged. This differs from my understanding that the governor has called for a "vigorous prosecution of Darren Wilson"
In any event, whatever they do, charge him or not, ...they really need to handle themselves much better than they have been.
Where have I heard something like this before? Oh I know. Right here:
My understanding is that Hendrix has now been charged for the shooting.
"Georgia man who shot wandering Alzheimer’s patient will not face charges"
http://rt.com/usa/georgia-alzheimers-shot-charges-302/
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Where have I heard something like this before? Oh I know. Right here:
"Georgia man who shot wandering Alzheimer’s patient will not face charges"
http://rt.com/usa/georgia-alzheimers-shot-charges-302/
Near as I can tell, she stole it from a local radio stations FB post and substituted their claim of having a very connected media source with her own claim of having a well connected friend.
http://therightscoop.com/report-key-witness-dorian-johnson-now-admits-that-michael-brown-attacked-officer-wilson/
Lol...Canadian's matter so little that they will do anything to portray themselves as important.
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Please point out the "urban youth" in your phaggoty photo......because right now you come off as not having a fucking clue about the criminal element that inner city police officers are up against in the U.S.
Another stupid fucking Canadian thinking his small-world, distorted level of self-importance, opinion needs to be heard. ::)
Check out this fucking Canadian cringe, naive douchetards who would shit themselves and scream for the police if they were ever trapped by a gang of Michael browns in a dark ferguson alley
(http://halifax.mediacoop.ca/sites/mediacoop.ca/files2/mc/imagecache/bigimg/bvccqveiyaevhz5_0.jpg)
"Hands up don't shoot" the blatant lie the shitbag dead kids shitbag friend told about what happened.. ::)
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Check out this fucking Canadian cringe, naive douchetards who would shit themselves and scream for the police if they were ever trapped by a gang of Michael browns in a dark ferguson alley
(http://halifax.mediacoop.ca/sites/mediacoop.ca/files2/mc/imagecache/bigimg/bvccqveiyaevhz5_0.jpg)
"Hands up don't shoot" the blatant lie the shitbag dead kids shitbag friend told about what happened.. ::)
Just a bunch of brainwashed fools who want to believe the conspiracy theories idiots espouse.
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LMFAO a pro officer Wilson protester came out and was surrounded by the pro rush to judgment protesters and she had her sign snatched from her.
They arrested the pro rush to judgment protester...stand by for my riots and looting
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Near as I can tell, she stole it from a local radio stations FB post and substituted their claim of having a very connected media source with her own claim of having a well connected friend.
http://therightscoop.com/report-key-witness-dorian-johnson-now-admits-that-michael-brown-attacked-officer-wilson/
Lol...Canadian's matter so little that they will do anything to portray themselves as important.
Bwahahaha!! That was too easy. ;D
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Near as I can tell, she stole it from a local radio stations FB post and substituted their claim of having a very connected media source with her own claim of having a well connected friend.
http://therightscoop.com/report-key-witness-dorian-johnson-now-admits-that-michael-brown-attacked-officer-wilson/
Lol...Canadian's matter so little that they will do anything to portray themselves as important.
So maybe she isn't living in a fantasy world of her own making but the fantasy world she protested stole from someone else.
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Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown, says source
By Hollie McKay
Published August 20, 2014
FoxNews.com
Darren Wilson, the Ferguson, Mo., police officer whose fatal shooting of Michael Brown touched off more than a week of demonstrations, suffered severe facial injuries, including an orbital (eye socket) fracture, and was nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun, a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com.
“The Assistant (Police) Chief took him to the hospital, his face all swollen on one side,” said the insider. “He was beaten very severely.”
According to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said..
“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face.
The source claims that there is "solid proof" that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson for the policeman’s firearm, resulting in the gun going off – although it still remains unclear at this stage who pulled the trigger. Brown started to walk away according to the account, prompting Wilson to draw his gun and order him to freeze. Brown, the source said, raised his hands in the air, and turned around saying, "What, you're going to shoot me?"
At that point, the source told FoxNews.com, the 6 foot, 4 inch, 292-pound Brown charged Wilson, prompting the officer to fire at least six shots at him, including the fatal bullet that penetrated the top of Brown's skull, according to an independent autopsy conducted at the request of Brown's family.
Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in the fracas, and was left dazed by the initial confrontation, the source said. He is now "traumatized, scared for his life and his family, injured and terrified" that a grand jury, which began hearing evidence on Wednesday, will "make some kind of example out of him," the source said.
The source also said the dashboard and body cameras, which might have recorded crucial evidence, had been ordered by Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson, but had only recently arrived and had not yet been deployed.
St. Louis County police, who have taken over the investigation, did not return requests for comment about possible injuries suffered by Wilson.
Edward Magee, spokesman for St. Louis County Prosecutor Robert McCullough, said the office will not disclose the nature of the evidence it will reveal to a grand jury.
"We'll present every piece of evidence we have, witness statements, et cetera, to the grand jury, and we do not release any evidence or talk about evidence on the case."
Nabil Khattar, CEO of 7Star Industries – which specializes in firearms training for law enforcement and special operations personnel – confirmed that police are typically instructed to use deadly force if in imminent danger of being killed or suffering great bodily injury.
“You may engage a threat with enough force that is reasonably necessary to defend against that danger,” he said.
Wilson is a six-year veteran of the Ferguson police force department, and has no prior disciplinary infringements.
Massive protests have since taken over the St. Louis community, prompting Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon last Thursday to place Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson at the helm of security operations in an effort to calm ongoing tensions. The federal government is also investigating the death, and Attorney General Eric Holder has taken the lead – calling “the selective release of sensitive information” in the case “troubling.”
On Friday, Ferguson police released surveillance video showing Brown stealing cigars from a convenience store just before his death. Jackson came under intense criticism for disclosing the tape and a related police report as he also insisted that the alleged robbery and the encounter with Wilson were unrelated matters. Brown’s family, through their attorney, suggested the tape’s release was a strategic form of “character assassination.”
However, FoxNews.com’s source insisted that there was absolutely no spin agenda behind the tape’s release and that there were a number of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) media requests filed by media outlets seeking it. Tom Jackson is said to have waited on publicly releasing it, and did not want it shown until Brown’s grieving mother first had the chance to see it.
“He defied the FOIAs as long as he could,” noted the insider. “A powerful, ugly spin has completely ruined public discourse on this whole situation.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/
Seems like one side or the other is lying about the broken eye socket story. I can understand why the pro-Mike Brown side would lie but am not sure why the cops would lie.
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Seems like one side or the other is lying about the broken eye socket story. I can understand why the pro-Mike Brown side would lie but am not sure why the cops would lie.
Which part did the cops lie about, concerning the eye socket injury?
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Seems like one side or the other is lying about the broken eye socket story. I can understand why the pro-Mike Brown side would lie but am not sure why the cops would lie.
Were the cops claiming the eye socket was fractured? I thought it was somebody who knew him as a friend or something to that effect.
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Were the cops claiming the eye socket was fractured? I thought it was somebody who knew him as a friend or something to that effect.
Truthfully, I'm not sure. BB's Foxnews article above says, "...a source close to the department's top brass told FoxNews.com..." but I guess that could mean someone's wife or something.
And, maybe it's too much to expect the police to put out word denying the fractured orbital claim (since it's only been out there a couple of days at most) but Hollie McKay of FoxNews is definitely looking like someone's stenographer if the broken eye socket story turns out to be sheer hogwash.
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Seems like one side or the other is lying about the broken eye socket story. I can understand why the pro-Mike Brown side would lie but am not sure why the cops would lie.
Meh. If his face was swollen it doesn't really matter to me if he had a broken bone. The swelling is pretty solid evidence that he was attacked.
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Meh. If his face was swollen it doesn't really matter to me if he had a broken bone. The swelling is pretty solid evidence that he was attacked.
yup if the dude was punching him, reaching for his gun and then charged him. Whether or not his eye socket was fractured really doesnt mean shit.
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yup if the dude was punching him, reaching for his gun and then charged him. Whether or not his eye socket was fractured really doesnt mean shit.
I agree. On a related note, I saw a pic of several protesters holding signs saying black lives matter. I though to myself, if that were true you wouldn't be abandoning your kids and killing each other.
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Meh. If his face was swollen it doesn't really matter to me if he had a broken bone. The swelling is pretty solid evidence that he was attacked.
Well, I don't know. Depends on your definition of attacked. I'm thinking that if this cop seriously tried to grab and hold onto this truck of kid through his vehicle window, his face easily could have hit the window frame when the kid broke his grip by wrenching away. More plausible than meaningful blows being traded through a vehicle window, if you ask me.
I'm with you, though, in that the exaggeration of the injuries might not have much to do with explaining what really happened but it does provide some sad-ass commentary on the cops and FoxNews.
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I agree. On a related note, I saw a pic of several protesters holding signs saying black lives matter. I though to myself, if that were true you wouldn't be abandoning your kids and killing each other.
Are all blacks abandoning their kids and killing each other?
As a statistics hobbyist and not just a bigoted, race-baiting POS troll, I'm sure you can provide some relevant resources about your claims here, right?
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he was being assaulted, he was fearing for life, the shoot was legal.
Again.
Again we have the police department EXAGGERATING items to make the shoot seem "extra" justified. They can't just say "he sustained several punches and feared he was about to black out, lose gun and die", which would make shoot perfectly legal.
instead they have to exaggerate things. Again. THIS is why people don't trust cops. They can't just make the case. They have to add 10% lies, in order to really make the story great. It's crap. it's not "telephone game" - it's purposeful addition of exaggerated details for pity and public support. you don't "accidentally" say broken orbital bone lol.
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Are all blacks abandoning their kids and killing each other?
As a statistics hobbyist and not just a bigoted, race-baiting POS troll, I'm sure you can provide some relevant resources about your claims here, right?
You're obsessed with me, old man. Finally decided to grace this thread with your senile rambling? What have I said that's' racist, gramps?
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In 2009, 7.8 million children lived with at least one grandparent, a 64 percent increase since 1991 when 4.7 million children lived with a grandparent, according to a new report from the U.S. Census Bureau.
Among children living with a grandparent, 76 percent also were living with at least one parent in 2009, not statistically different from the 77 percent who lived with at least one parent in 1991.
“The people with whom children live affect their well-being,”said Rose Kreider, a family demographer with the U.S. Census Bureau. “These statistics give us a lot of detail about the number of parents children live with, as well as whether they live with siblings, grandparents or other relatives.”
These statistics released today come from the household relationship module of the Survey of Income and Program Participation collected in 2009 and published in the report Living Arrangements of Children: 2009.
In 1991, 5 percent of white, 15 percent of black and 12 percent of Hispanic children lived with at least one grandparent. By 2009, 9 percent of white, 17 percent of black and 14 percent of Hispanic children lived with at least one grandparent, a significant change for white children but not for black or Hispanic children.
Many children who do not live with a parent live with a grandparent. More than half of the children living with no parents were living with grandparents. Percentages for black children (64 percent) and non-Hispanic white children (55 percent) did not differ from Hispanic children (61 percent), but the percentage of Asian children living with no parents who lived with grandparents was lower, at 35 percent.
In 2009, 69 percent of the 74.1 million children under 18 lived with two parents. Four percent (2.9 million) of all children lived with both a mother and father who were not married to each other.
Between 1991 and 2009, children living with only their mother increased from 21 percent to 24 percent.
The percentage of children living with their mother without a father present varied widely among race and origin groups in 2009, from 8 percent for Asian children to 50 percent for black children. Seventeen percent of non-Hispanic white children and 26 percent of Hispanic children also lived with their mother only
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/children/cb11-117.html
Now gladly go back to yelling at kids to get off your yard, gramps.
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You're obsessed with me, old man. Finally decided to grace this thread with your senile rambling? What have I said that's' racist, gramps?
Has he called you "The Grand Wizard of the KKK" yet Archer?
That's when you really know you've won a debate with a liberal.
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Are all blacks abandoning their kids and killing each other?
As a statistics hobbyist and not just a bigoted, race-baiting POS troll, I'm sure you can provide some relevant resources about your claims here, right?
you gotta be shitting us right?
is this another "ppl on welfare are there b/c of bad luck and not personal choices" argument?
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Has he called you "The Grand Wizard of the KKK" yet Archer?
That's when you really know you've won a debate with a liberal.
Not yet. The guy has issues. He once, out of the blue, went on a rant about how he was a better bodybuilder. It was bizarre as that was not the topic of conversation.
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You're obsessed with me, old man. Finally decided to grace this thread with your senile rambling? What have I said that's' racist, gramps?
Obsessed? Bwahaha. You'd like that, wouldn't you? Because as far as I can tell almost every post of yours fairly screams for attention.
And, seriously, what's this "gramps" shit? How old are you again? In your 40's, right?
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Obsessed? Bwahaha. You'd like that, wouldn't you? Because as far as I can tell almost every post of yours fairly screams for attention.
And, seriously, what's this "gramps" shit? How old are you again? In your 40's, right?
Why would anyone want a creepy old man obessed with them? Hey, its fine if its your thing. Im not in my forties, old timer.
Has he called you "The Grand Wizard of the KKK" yet Archer?
That's when you really know you've won a debate with a liberal.
I bet the night he said he was a better bodybuilder he spent a couple extra minutes in front of the mirror flexing while saying, "im a better bodybuilder than archer. I know I am" Hes got a lot of issues.
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Not yet. The guy has issues. He once, out of the blue, went on a rant about how he was a better bodybuilder. It was bizarre as that was not the topic of conversation.
Whateva. Archer is a part-time troll. His favorite subjects to troll about are misogyny and racism. He takes extreme positions to get reactions from folks. Who knows what he really believes. (I choose to believe a black dude stole his wife, btw, lol.)
It's not that big of deal. He just likes to bring the G&O style to this board which ain't so bad because this board gets a little stale sometimes.
I punked him one time (during a thread where he laughably wrote, "Statistics is a hobby of mine", lol) and then he looked all through my post history to find that I'd made no secret of the fact that I'm 50 so he uses ageist insults hoping it will bother me. --- And it really does!! lol
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Whateva. Archer is a part-time troll. His favorite subjects to troll about are misogyny and racism. He takes extreme positions to get reactions from folks. Who knows what he really believes. (I choose to believe a black dude stole his wife, btw, lol.)
It's not that big of deal. He just likes to bring the G&O style to this board which ain't so bad because this board gets a little stale sometimes.
I punked him one time (during a thread where he laughably wrote, "Statistics is a hobby of mine", lol) and then he looked all through my post history to find that I'd made no secret of the fact that I'm 50 so he uses ageist insults hoping it will bother me. --- And it really does!! lol
Oh boy, you really are full of yourself, old fella. You told me your age but memory does go with age. Misogyny? Prove it? Extreme positions? Prove it.
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Why would anyone want a creepy old man obessed with them? Hey, its fine if its your thing. Im not in my forties, old timer.
I bet the night he said he was a better bodybuilder he spent a couple extra minutes in front of the mirror flexing while saying, "im a better bodybuilder than archer. I know I am" Hes got a lot of issues.
One of my many issues is avoiding the use of apostrophes. Thank you for cooperating. lol
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Oh boy, you really are full of yourself, old fella. You told me your age.
That's a lie.
If it's not, prove it.
You like to go through post histories, don't ya? Knock yourself out, there, stats enthusiast.
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One of my many issues is avoiding the use of apostrophes. Thank you for cooperating. lol
You avoid thinking at all. Youre trying your best to make this personal and that demonstrates how serious you take this.
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you gotta be shitting us right?
is this another "ppl on welfare are there b/c of bad luck and not personal choices" argument?
No, Tony. Not at all.
What I object to is Archer trying to make it seem like there are no decent black people when we all know there are.
You don't really think otherwise, do you?
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Whateva. Archer is a part-time troll. His favorite subjects to troll about are misogyny and racism. He takes extreme positions to get reactions from folks. Who knows what he really believes. (I choose to believe a black dude stole his wife, btw, lol.)
It's not that big of deal. He just likes to bring the G&O style to this board which ain't so bad because this board gets a little stale sometimes.
I punked him one time (during a thread where he laughably wrote, "Statistics is a hobby of mine", lol) and then he looked all through my post history to find that I'd made no secret of the fact that I'm 50 so he uses ageist insults hoping it will bother me. --- And it really does!! lol
lol what extreme positions does archer take?
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That's a lie.
If it's not, prove it.
You like to go through post histories, don't ya? Knock yourself out, there, stats enthusiast.
Prove that went through your post history. I didnt by the way and you know it. This is just your pathetic attempt to go off topic and make it personal by attacking me. A man of your advanced years should know better.
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You avoid thinking at all. Youre trying your best to make this personal and that demonstrates how serious you take this.
What about that 5-year old boy that you admitted raping?
Wasn't that serious? As a father, why shouldn't I take that personally?
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No, Tony. Not at all.
What I object to is Archer trying to make it seem like there are no decent black people when we all know there are.
You don't really think otherwise, do you?
I never said that, geezer. The problem of absentee fathers in the black community is well know. Blacks themselves will tell you this. You just dont like me and have a hard time controlling yourself.
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No, Tony. Not at all.
What I object to is Archer trying to make it seem like there are no decent black people when we all know there are.
You don't really think otherwise, do you?
come on now Kore, he didnt mean that anymore than the protestors mean that they feel that people dont think any black life matters...
He points out the truth in a lot of instances Kore. He is not saying all blacks are criminals, welfare users or bad parents.
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What about that 5-year old boy that you admitted raping?
Wasn't that serious? As a father, why shouldn't I take that personally?
That was you. If obama had a son he would look just like the boy you molested.
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Did you really just call Archer a troll??
Lmao, his posts are pretty much the most objective, rational and thought out of anyone on this board. Ive never seen him attack anyone
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lol what extreme positions does archer take?
That's a good question. To be truthful, his positions (pro-rapist and pro-racial prejudice) aren't so extreme on this board.
He did try to say that I'd raped a kid, though.
It was a funny thread where he pretty much got owned and he still seems to be smarting from it.
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That's a good question. To be truthful, his positions (pro-rapist and pro-racial prejudice) aren't so extreme on this board.
He did try to say that I'd raped a kid, though.
It was a funny thread where he pretty much got owned and he still seems to be smarting from it.
How am I smarting. If I were I would be following you from thread to thread. Oh wait, thats what you do. Prove that I'm pro-rape and pro-racial prejudice.
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Prove that went through your post history. I didnt by the way and you know it. This is just your pathetic attempt to go off topic and make it personal by attacking me. A man of your advanced years should know better.
Going through someone's post history isn't exactly a crime. I'm not sure why you're so defensive about it.
It's no big deal; I got the best of you in some nonsensical discussion that you probably didn't even really care much about when you began it and you got a little pissed. Just a little. So, hey, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones if you are.
But I AM the better bodybuilder, I'm pretty sure. lol
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What about that 5-year old boy that you admitted raping?
Wasn't that serious? As a father, why shouldn't I take that personally?
Come on now.
Calm down.
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Going through someone's post history isn't exactly a crime. I'm not sure why you're so defensive about it.
It's no big deal; I got the best of you in some nonsensical discussion that you probably didn't even really care much about when you began it and you got a little pissed. Just a little. So, hey, I'm willing to let bygones be bygones if you are.
But I AM the better bodybuilder, I'm pretty sure. lol
Ive never gotten pissed about anything youve said and I'm not being defensive now. Saying something over and over again doesnt make it true. Prove it is all I'm saying.
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That was you. If obama had a son he would look just like the boy you molested.
Archer, you are making me like you. No homo.
Honestly, we could do some damage if we teamed up and went to this semi-feminist forum:
http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/)
You have to troll subtly there, though; They are some ban-happy biotches.
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come on now Kore, he didnt mean that anymore than the protestors mean that they feel that people dont think any black life matters...
He points out the truth in a lot of instances Kore. He is not saying all blacks are criminals, welfare users or bad parents.
Yeah, OK. If you wanna speak for him, I'll stop tormenting him.
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That's a good question. To be truthful, his positions (pro-rapist and pro-racial prejudice) aren't so extreme on this board.
He did try to say that I'd raped a kid, though.
It was a funny thread where he pretty much got owned and he still seems to be smarting from it.
heres the issue Kore.
If in regards to the "pro racial prejudice" comment youre referring to the stop and frisk law he was arguing for. That has nothing to do with black people. He isnt advocating stopping blacks b/c they are black he is advocating stoping blacks b/c they commit a dispropotionately higher amount of crime. He would advocate stopping of whites if it was the other way around.
It isnt a race thing its a statistics thing
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Did you really just call Archer a troll??
Lmao, his posts are pretty much the most objective, rational and thought out of anyone on this board. Ive never seen him attack anyone
Like qwai-chang (sp?) on Kung Fu, I will answer your question with a question: Is 240 a troll?
Trolling comes in lots of flavors.
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Yeah, OK. If you wanna speak for him, I'll stop tormenting him.
you see this attitude right here...its part of the reason a real honest conversation on race cannot take place.
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Come on now.
Calm down.
Dude, he said that. Really. Ask him, I don't think he'll lie about it.
I didn't GAF because I'm one of those guys who thinks NOTHING is off-limits when it comes to speech but I recognize that lots of folks don't feel that way.
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Like qwai-chang (sp?) on Kung Fu, I will answer your question with a question: Is 240 a troll?
Trolling comes in lots of flavors.
LMFAO Kore 240 and archer are no where near the same.
240 is an absolute troll, sure he makes some honest posts from time to time but the guys flips positions more than the wind changes directions and does so to troll the board.
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heres the issue Kore.
If in regards to the "pro racial prejudice" comment youre referring to the stop and frisk law he was arguing for. That has nothing to do with black people. He isnt advocating stopping blacks b/c they are black he is advocating stoping blacks b/c they commit a dispropotionately higher amount of crime. He would advocate stopping of whites if it was the other way around.
It isnt a race thing its a statistics thing
Ive asked him to prove I'm pro-rape and pro-racism. He called me pro-rape in another thread then denied thats what he meant when I asked him to prove it. Its a personal thing with him.
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Dude, he said that. Really. Ask him, I don't think he'll lie about it.
I didn't GAF because I'm one of those guys who thinks NOTHING is off-limits when it comes to speech but I recognize that lots of folks don't feel that way.
And what I said along with that was that people can accuse anyone of anything but that doesnt make it true.
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you see this attitude right here...its part of the reason a real honest conversation on race cannot take place.
Hmmm, Ok. I'm not trying to interrupt. I still think Acher is mostly trolling on these kinds of threads, though. But if you don't mind, I don't.
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Ive never gotten pissed about anything youve said and I'm not being defensive now. Saying something over and over again doesnt make it true. Prove it is all I'm saying.
Prove that I'm a better bodybuilder? Nice try.
Your misogyny is starting to make sense now, ya twisted little schmoe. lol
You know I'm not black, right?
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RR is a lefty, and they hate it when someone uses data and evidence to form opinions and decisions, instead of emotion.
Archer uses data to objectively form conclusions, conclusions which are inconvenient to the Lefty's ideology.
Therefore lefty does what they always does in this situation...he says archer is racist.
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Prove that I'm a better bodybuilder? Nice try.
Your misogyny is starting to make sense now, ya twisted little schmoe. lol
You know I'm not black, right?
Are you every going to prove Im a misogynist and pro-rape?
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Ive asked him to prove I'm pro-rape and pro-racism. He called me pro-rape in another thread then denied thats what he meant when I asked him to prove it. Its a personal thing with him.
Ahhh, very reasonable. And the part about where you said I'd raped a 5-year old boy came in when? lol
Don't forget to tell the part about the goat, too.
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RR is a lefty, and they hate it when someone uses data and evidence to form opinions and decisions, instead of emotion.
Archer uses data to objectively form conclusions, conclusions which are inconvenient to the Lefty's ideology.
Therefore lefty does what they always does in this situation...he says archer is racist.
He dislikes me and makes it personal. Notice how hes hijacked this entire thread to attack me. Yet he says I'm the one obessed with him. Guy has issues.
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RR is a lefty, and they hate it when someone uses data and evidence to form opinions and decisions, instead of emotion.
Archer uses data to objectively form conclusions, conclusions which are inconvenient to the Lefty's ideology.
Therefore lefty does what they always does in this situation...he says archer is racist.
Kore seems like a good guy. I think he is off base on a few things he believes and there has been more than one occasion when you could accuse him of using emotion rather than facts to create his opinion but Im sure we are all guilty of that.
I dont think this has to do with Archers overall posts but probably one or two that seemed to stick in his craw.
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RR is a lefty, and they hate it when someone uses data and evidence to form opinions and decisions, instead of emotion.
Archer uses data to objectively form conclusions, conclusions which are inconvenient to the Lefty's ideology.
Therefore lefty does what they always does in this situation...he says archer is racist.
JM, do you seriously think Archer isn't racist? Or do you take the position that he might be but we don't know?
I take the 2nd position. To me, he seems to be trolling so you don't really know what his real thoughts on the matter are.
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Are you every going to prove Im a misogynist and pro-rape?
How should I do that?
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Ahhh, very reasonable. And the part about where you said I'd raped a 5-year old boy came in when? lol
Don't forget to tell the part about the goat, too.
I did explain it above. I said that unreported rapes are accusations that havent been proven. Then I said you raped a five year old but it was unreported. The point being, as I explained to you before, being accused doesnt mean its true.
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JM, do you seriously think Archer isn't racist? Or do you take the position that he might be but we don't know?
I take the 2nd position. To me, he seems to be trolling so you don't really know what his real thoughts on the matter are.
what makes you think he is racist?
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How should I do that?
Wouldnt you already know how if you're so sure? Youre essentially admitting you dont have proof
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what makes you think he is racist?
Its personal for him. He believes that calling me a racist and misogynist will put me on the defensive. Hes not trying to have a discussion.
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He dislikes me and makes it personal. Notice how hes hijacked this entire thread to attack me. Yet he says I'm the one obessed with him. Guy has issues.
Hijacked all by myself? Ummm, no. You could have easily disregarded what I've written and continued to lament the fact that blacks in Ferguson are out of line to take the position that their lives matter without simultaneously apologizing for their collective irresponsibility.
Straight up academic discussion that was, lol.
Sorry to derail it. Please carry on.
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Hijacked all by myself? Ummm, no. You could have easily disregarded what I've written and continued to lament the fact that blacks in Ferguson are out of line to take the position that their lives matter without simultaneously apologizing for their collective irresponsibility.
Straight up academic discussion that was, lol.
Sorry to derail it. Please carry on.
I answered your post but you diverted the discussion. Do you believe the riots are about taking the position their lives matter? Killing each other regularly and fathers abandoning their children doesnt indicate that at all. Prove I'm pro-rape and pro-racism. I'm waiting
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what makes you think he is racist?
I don't know that he's racist but I do know that he writes racist shit.
I'm not willing to dig through his post history in an effort to prove it but I'm willing to bet it wouldn't be too hard.
If you or anyone else wants to take that as a sort of tacit admission that I don't think that Archer writes racist shit, I don't have a problem with that.
Let the record reflect, though, that I think that when it come to the subjects of rape and racism, Archer is a racist troll.
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Kore seems like a good guy. I think he is off base on a few things he believes and there has been more than one occasion when you could accuse him of using emotion rather than facts to create his opinion but Im sure we are all guilty of that.
I dont think this has to do with Archers overall posts but probably one or two that seemed to stick in his craw.
Tony thinks for himself and he's right here.
It's why I like him despite being from Texas and all. lol
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JM, do you seriously think Archer isn't racist? Or do you take the position that he might be but we don't know?
I take the 2nd position. To me, he seems to be trolling so you don't really know what his real thoughts on the matter are.
Based on his posts i dont think he is racist at all. Nothing has suggested that.
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I don't know that he's racist but I do know that he writes racist shit.
I'm not willing to dig through his post history in an effort to prove it but I'm willing to bet it wouldn't be too hard.
If you or anyone else wants to take that as a sort of tacit admission that I don't think that Archer writes racist shit, I don't have a problem with that.
Let the record reflect, though, that I think that when it come to the subjects of rape and racism, Archer is a racist troll.
Prove that I am pro-rape and a racist troll. For everyone else, all I said about rape was unreported rapes shouldn't be calculated in the total number of rapes because they cant be verified to have occurred because of lack of evidence. All we have is the word of the accuser. This is his version of being pro-rape.
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Based on his posts i dont think he is racist at all. Nothing has suggested that.
I'm guilty of the crime of noticing.
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He dislikes me and makes it personal. Notice how hes hijacked this entire thread to attack me. Yet he says I'm the one obessed with him. Guy has issues.
I don't really dislike you.
You're kind of wind-baggy and you remind me of one of those guys who holds court when you're among idiots but gets shut down with a quickness when you're around educated people who aren't of your same political stripe.
Basically, one of those little brother kind of guys I've always liked to antagonize (since I am sort of a dick sometimes, lol).
If that means I have issues, well, ok then. lol. I'll try to do better. Sincerely.
Now, I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to the wisdom you were sharing earlier so if you already answered this, my apologies; What percentage of innocent folks of a given group do you think it's acceptable to inconvenience/humiliate/whatever with stop and frisk? If it's a sliding percentage depending on the percentage of folks who are arrested, can you describe the relationship between those 2 percentages?
^^^That question was horribly phrased so if you're not sure what I mean, I'll take another crack at it.
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Based on his posts i dont think he is racist at all. Nothing has suggested that.
Fair enough.
I accept that you're telling the truth.
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I don't really dislike you.
You're kind of wind-baggy and you remind me of one of those guys who holds court when you're among idiots but gets shut down with a quickness when you're around educated people who aren't of your same political stripe.
Basically, one of those little brother kind of guys I've always liked to antagonize (since I am sort of a dick sometimes, lol).
If that means I have issues, well, ok then. lol. I'll try to do better. Sincerely.
Now, I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to the wisdom you were sharing earlier so if you already answered this, my apologies; What percentage of innocent folks of a given group do you think it's acceptable to inconvenience/humiliate/whatever with stop and frisk? If it's a sliding percentage depending on the percentage of folks who are arrested, can you describe the relationship between those 2 percentages?
^^^That question was horribly phrased so if you're not sure what I mean, I'll take another crack at it.
Prove that I'm pro-rape and pro-racism.
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I don't really dislike you.
You're kind of wind-baggy and you remind me of one of those guys who holds court when you're among idiots but gets shut down with a quickness when you're around educated people who aren't of your same political stripe.
Basically, one of those little brother kind of guys I've always liked to antagonize (since I am sort of a dick sometimes, lol).
If that means I have issues, well, ok then. lol. I'll try to do better. Sincerely.
Now, I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to the wisdom you were sharing earlier so if you already answered this, my apologies; What percentage of innocent folks of a given group do you think it's acceptable to inconvenience/humiliate/whatever with stop and frisk? If it's a sliding percentage depending on the percentage of folks who are arrested, can you describe the relationship between those 2 percentages?
^^^That question was horribly phrased so if you're not sure what I mean, I'll take another crack at it.
Your assessment of my character couldn't be more off. I'm always open to new ideas and I admit when I am wrong.
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Prove that I'm pro-rape and pro-racism.
To what end? If you think you're not, that's good enough for me.
Anyway, even if the positions you've taken indicate that you're pro-rape and pro-racism that doesn't necessarily mean you are that way.
You're not bothered, really, are you, Archer?
You're coming off like a bit of a weirdo here. This is the internet, not real life. You haven't been dishonored or challenged to a duel.
So change your freakin' tampon and get back to the subject. You won't have lost face by doing that, I promise.
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Your assessment of my character couldn't be more off. I'm always open to new ideas and I admit when I am wrong.
Admirable and very possibly true. Some folks here seem to like you so there's that, at the very least.
Did you understand by shittily worded question about stop and frisk? Had you already answered that, maybe?.
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To what end? If you think you're not, that's good enough for me.
Anyway, even if the positions you've taken indicate that you're pro-rape and pro-racism that doesn't necessarily mean you are that way.
You're not bothered, really, are you, Archer?
You're coming off like a bit of a weirdo here. This is the internet, not real life. You haven't been dishonored or challenged to a duel.
So change your freakin' tampon and get back to the subject. You won't have lost face by doing that, I promise.
A man of integrity backs up his accusations. You won't or more specifically, you can't. When you originally accused me of being pro-rape I challenged you to prove it but you backed down and claimed that's not what you meant. That makes you a coward and a liar. Every time I have asked you to prove your accusations you deflect by either ignoring the request or by attempting to play some kind of pathetic mental game to get under my skin.
I'm not coming off as a weirdo, you are. You're the one who hijacked this thread for three or so pages for the express purpose of whining about me. When I did post an article and link to your original post you completely ignored it and continued obsessing over me.
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A man of integrity backs up his accusations. You won't or more specifically, you can't. When you originally accused me of being pro-rape I challenged you to prove it but you backed down and claimed that's not what you meant. That makes you a coward and a liar. Every time I have asked you to prove your accusations you deflect by either ignoring the request or by attempting to play some kind of pathetic mental game to get under my skin.
I'm not coming off as a weirdo, you are. You're the one who hijacked this thread for three or so pages for the express purpose of whining about me. When I did post an article and link to your original post you completely ignored it and continued obsessing over me.
You're wrong. I think I can back up my accusations but if you ARE a troll, then spending time digging through your post history is what you want. And regardless of how you try to frame things, I'm not playing that.
The first rule of dealing with trolls is not to feed 'em. If you think that means I lack integrity, I guess I'll have to live with that, lol. (Along with being accused of being a child-rapist, lol.)
Look, if you're not a racist raper, then your future posts will reflect that and I'll have been proven wrong anyway, right?
So, if you have nothing to be defensive about, be patient and it will be apparent to everyone, even me. (Of course, if you do go on to make more racist and misogynistic posts, I'm sure I won't be the only one to notice, lol.)
Now quit trying to make this thread be about you while simultaneously complaining that it's been derailed, lol.
You're OK IRL, aren't you?
Anyway, are you saying you posted an article related to my question about what percentage of a given group of folks subjected to stop and frisk need to be arrested to make the program morally acceptable? Put another way, what percentage of folks would need to be innocent to make you say that the program ISN'T worthwhile? Wondering what your thoughts are on the issue.
If you're still too flustered to answer right now, that's cool. Just answer tomorrow or whenever.
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You're wrong. I think I can back up my accusations but if you ARE a troll, then spending time digging through your post history is what you want. And regardless of how you try to frame things, I'm not playing that.
The first rule of dealing with trolls is not to feed 'em. If you think that means I lack integrity, I guess I'll have to live with that, lol. (Along with being accused of being a child-rapist, lol.)
Look, if you're not a racist raper, then your future posts will reflect that and I'll have been proven wrong anyway, right?
So, if you have nothing to be defensive about, be patient and it will be apparent to everyone, even me. (Of course, if you do go on to make more racist and misogynistic posts, I'm sure I won't be the only one to notice, lol.)
Now quit trying to make this thread be about you while simultaneously complaining that it's been derailed, lol.
You're OK IRL, aren't you?
Anyway, are you saying you posted an article related to my question about what percentage of a given group of folks subjected to stop and frisk need to be arrested to make the program morally acceptable? (Put another way, what percentage of folks would need to be innocent to make you say that the program ISN'T worthwhile?) Wondering what your thoughts are on the issue.
You either can back up your talk or you can't. You can't. This post is nothing more than a cop out.
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You either can back up your talk or you can't. You can't. This post is nothing more than a cop out.
Ouch. You win. lol
I think I just have your mojo. Why? I don't know. lol
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Ouch. You win. lol
I think I just have your mojo. Why? I don't know. lol
No one reading your posts and mine thinks anyone but you comes off as weird and obsessed.
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No one reading your posts and mine thinks anyone but you comes off as weird and obsessed.
This ^^^
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This ^^^
WTF? I feel betrayed.
Aren't you from the Bay Area? Thought we were supposed to stick together but oh well. lol
I'm from Alameda, btw.
(I'll refrain from insulting you because I think I've read good shit from you either on the training board or the steroid board.)
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Insult away, I'm sure I deserve plenty :-\
I'm also in alameda , in the nice part of San Leandro up on the hill. Unfortunately the part down the hill is not so nice thanks to "good boys" and a city council determined to gouge my paycheck to pay for importing a never ending stream of Michael Browns in from Oakland and make endless excuses for them.
My petite black neighbor was recently mugged and pistol whipped by "good boys" (driving a brand new caddy) in Safeway parking lot in broad daylight, the shitbags don't show any loyalty to "their people" but their defenders rabidly close ranks and make it all about race.
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Yeah. His story does not sound credible at all.
That was my first inclination as well. The initial impression I got was that his was a performance for the camera. Despite the veracity of his testimony, or lack thereof which has yet to be determined, it doesn't change the fact that there are serious issues that most definitely need to be addressed.
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Please point out the "urban youth" in your phaggoty photo......because right now you come off as not having a fucking clue about the criminal element that inner city police officers are up against in the U.S.
ChopperRider, I really don't want to seem rude, ...but I think your comment truly illustrates a big part of what is wrong in your society. In answer to your question, I will say there is no need to point out the "urban youth" in that photo. You are looking at them.
Please don't assume I know nothing about the criminal element that inner city police officers are up against in the US. I know much more than you know, and I have seen much more than you could possibly imagine. I am very well aware of what the mean streets of inner city USA are like. I've seen them first hand, up close & personal. Where do you think I learned how to use an Uzi? hint: it wasn't in Tel Aviv or on a film set. ;)
Another stupid fucking Canadian thinking his small-world, distorted level of self-importance, opinion needs to be heard. ::)
Is there really a need to hurl insults? really? For the record he is a she, and my world is pretty encompassing.
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Near as I can tell, she stole it from a local radio stations FB post and substituted their claim of having a very connected media source with her own claim of having a well connected friend.
http://therightscoop.com/report-key-witness-dorian-johnson-now-admits-that-michael-brown-attacked-officer-wilson/
Lol...Canadian's matter so little that they will do anything to portray themselves as important.
I never stole it from anyone. My source told me. If they heard it from the same people that radio station heard it from I don't know, ...but this is the first I'm hearing of that radio station. I'm in Canada remember. The CRTC goes to great lengths to limit the amount of "cultural pollution" (their term, not mine) that makes it across the airwaves from the USA.
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heres the issue Kore.
If in regards to the "pro racial prejudice" comment youre referring to the stop and frisk law he was arguing for. That has nothing to do with black people. He isnt advocating stopping blacks b/c they are black he is advocating stoping blacks b/c they commit a dispropotionately higher amount of crime. He would advocate stopping of whites if it was the other way around.
It isnt a race thing its a statistics thing
I can barely believe the BS circular logic on display, ...even by the likes of you.
Of course any demographic group is going to rate statistically higher in criminal stats when they are disproportionately targeted as in "stop n' frisk" It's a complete violation of the 4th Amendment.
Another set of stats shows Blacks are twice as likely to be searched for drugs and/or weapons than Whites, all the while Whites are twice as likely to be carrying illicit drugs and/or weapons. Of crime stats & conviction rates are going to be skewed by those numbers. Even the most ignorant know that, why doesn't Tony? It's ludicrous.
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I can barely believe the BS circular logic on display, ...even by the likes of you.
Of course any demographic group is going to rate statistically higher in criminal stats when they are disproportionately targeted as in "stop n' frisk" It's a complete violation of the 4th Amendment.
Another set of stats shows Blacks are twice as likely to be searched for drugs and/or weapons than Whites, all the while Whites are twice as likely to be carrying illicit drugs and/or weapons. Of crime stats & conviction rates are going to be skewed by those numbers. Even the most ignorant know that, why doesn't Tony? It's ludicrous.
None of this is accurate. They are searched more often BECAUSE their demographic commits the most gun crimes. Stop and frisk has nothing to do with the disproportionate number of gun crimes comitted by blacks and hispanics. Its a reaction to it. Whites arent twice as likely to have drugs and weapons. This is a pure lie.
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I can barely believe the BS circular logic on display, ...even by the likes of you.
Of course any demographic group is going to rate statistically higher in criminal stats when they are disproportionately targeted as in "stop n' frisk" It's a complete violation of the 4th Amendment.
Another set of stats shows Blacks are twice as likely to be searched for drugs and/or weapons than Whites, all the while Whites are twice as likely to be carrying illicit drugs and/or weapons. Of crime stats & conviction rates are going to be skewed by those numbers. Even the most ignorant know that, why doesn't Tony? It's ludicrous.
so the reason that stop and frisk started was a result of the findings of stop and frisk?
I never said it wasn constitutional ding bat only that it wasnt racist.
link to the study showing whites are more likely to be carrying drugs and guns.
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None of this is accurate. They are searched more often BECAUSE their demographic commits the most gun crimes. Stop and frisk has nothing to do with the disproportionate number of gun crimes comitted by blacks and hispanics. Its a reaction to it. Whites arent twice as likely to have drugs and weapons. This is a pure lie.
LMFAO exactly jagsons dumbass thinks stop and frisk was instituted by findings of stop and frisk...hows that for circular fucking logic?
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LMFAO exactly jagsons dumbass thinks stop and frisk was instituted by findings of stop and frisk...hows that for circular fucking logic?
Dude, I laughed hard after reading her post.
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Dude, I laughed hard after reading her post.
I'm happy for you that you're able to laugh. You should laugh as much as possible while you still can, because I'm pretty darn sure you're gonna be crying soon enough.
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I'm happy for you that you're able to laugh. You should laugh as much as possible while you still can, because I'm pretty darn sure you're gonna be crying soon enough.
Why is that?
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link to the study showing whites are more likely to be carrying drugs and guns.
bump for a link
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bump for a link
She lives in bizarro world. Do you notice the mental gymnastics people will go through to dismiss a problem exists. Its always the fault ofsomeone else, the system is against us, it's racism...... The wheel keeps spinning, nothing changes and the excuses keep coming.
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She lives in bizarro world. Do you notice the mental gymnastics people will go through to dismiss a problem exists. Its always the fault ofsomeone else, the system is against us, it's racism...... The wheel keeps spinning, nothing changes and the excuses keep coming.
whats funny is the dissonance that some people have in terms of race and facts. They seem to be so repulsed by the idea that a certain race commits more crime or that issues within certain communities cause great detriment to those who make up the community.
Is there racism? sure there is, does it keep anyone down that is determined to succeed? 99.99% of the time no it doesnt.
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Meh. If his face was swollen it doesn't really matter to me if he had a broken bone. The swelling is pretty solid evidence that he was attacked.
No, it's just as easily evidence of self-defense, unless your mind is already made up - as yours seems to clearly be.
From everything I've read, they haven't substantiated that he was the thug robbing the store. He had no criminal record. Why would somebody with no criminal record, just start punching a cop?
I suppose it's possible, and may pan out that way when we know all the facts, but it seems unlikely.
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I never stole it from anyone. My source told me. If they heard it from the same people that radio station heard it from I don't know, ...but this is the first I'm hearing of that radio station. I'm in Canada remember. The CRTC goes to great lengths to limit the amount of "cultural pollution" (their term, not mine) that makes it across the airwaves from the USA.
Yeah, you're post and the facebook post just 'happened' to match up, nearly verbatim, lol. ::)
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No, it's just as easily evidence of self-defense, unless your mind is already made up - as yours seems to clearly be.
From everything I've read, they haven't substantiated that he was the thug robbing the store. He had no criminal record. Why would somebody with no criminal record, just start punching a cop?
I suppose it's possible, and may pan out that way when we know all the facts, but it seems unlikely.
Self-defense against what? Brown just robbed a liquor and a cop approached him, raising his anxiety level.
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Self-defense against what? Brown just robbed a liquor and a cop approached him, raising his anxiety level.
ehhhhh
the fact it's been 2 weeks and both city/county police departments PASSED on an actual autopsy, nobody is releasing anything aobut the shooting but we have a dictionary about the robbery lol..
I'm betting there will be some big discrepancy that cannot be quite explained away... Maybe the robber beat up the cop, turned to flee, and the cop regained his poise and fired a round... dude attacked again and got wasted. totally understanable, but questionable on the legality side of it, to plug a dude running away with no clear felony other than eluding on the menu.
IMO, that's why it's been silent on that front. Do I think the cop should be charged? NO NO NO. Do I think he was dazed and pissed off royally and embarassed? Of course. Do I think cop probably shot a dude fleeing with bullet #1? yep. But he shoudln't go to jail for it. Real life shit is real life shit. Brown had no choice by to charge or catch rounds in the back, and at that point, he was lights out either way.
Brown charges and catches the rest of the bullets and maybe gets "one for good measure"... clear headshot from above at the end.
Cop might be a cold blooded dude, he may never deserve to ever walk the beat again if he did issue a headshot to a dude after wasting him. But after getting his ass whopped, he probbaly wasn't thinking clearly. Again, it's real life.
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ehhhhh
the fact it's been 2 weeks and both city/county police departments PASSED on an actual autopsy, nobody is releasing anything aobut the shooting but we have a dictionary about the robbery lol..
I'm betting there will be some big discrepancy that cannot be quite explained away... Maybe the robber beat up the cop, turned to flee, and the cop regained his poise and fired a round... dude attacked again and got wasted. totally understanable, but questionable on the legality side of it, to plug a dude running away with no clear felony other than eluding on the menu.
IMO, that's why it's been silent on that front. Do I think the cop should be charged? NO NO NO. Do I think he was dazed and pissed off royally and embarassed? Of course. Do I think cop probably shot a dude fleeing with bullet #1? yep. But he shoudln't go to jail for it. Real life shit is real life shit. Brown had no choice by to charge or catch rounds in the back, and at that point, he was lights out either way.
Brown charges and catches the rest of the bullets and maybe gets "one for good measure"... clear headshot from above at the end.
Cop might be a cold blooded dude, he may never deserve to ever walk the beat again if he did issue a headshot to a dude after wasting him. But after getting his ass whopped, he probbaly wasn't thinking clearly. Again, it's real life.
You have no evidence of the cops state of mind. You used this same pop psychology to create an elaborate scenario for the zimmerman case. One shot while fleeing is unlikely. There is a pattern of shots and your theoretical one shot from behind clearly belongs to the grouping of shots from the front. The shot at the top of Browns head resulted from his body being in motion. You need to simplify the way you look at situations and stick to facts instead of creating unnecessary and overblown psycho-dramas.
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Self-defense against what? Brown just robbed a liquor and a cop approached him, raising his anxiety level.
Against a cop grabbing him by the neck and trying to jerk him into the car. And the robbery hasn't been substantiated yet, so maybe, maybe not, IDK.
I'll pose the same question to you. Why would somebody who had no criminal record suddenly decide one day to rob a store and beat up a cop?
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Against a cop grabbing him by the neck and trying to jerk him into the car. And the robbery hasn't been substantiated yet, so maybe, maybe not, IDK.
I'll pose the same question to you. Why would somebody who had no criminal record suddenly decide one day to rob a store and beat up a cop?
The video clearly shows its him. His accomplice admits they stole the cigars. Are you out of your mind? Not having a criminal record doesnt mean the person isn't violent or hasnt previously comitted a crime, it only means they hadn't been caught. Every criminal has a clean record at some point.
He stole the cigars, the cop approached him shortly afterwards. His adrenaline and anxiety levels were up and he reacted. He didnt want to get caught.
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The video clearly shows its him. His accomplice admits they stole the cigars. Are you out of your mind? Not having a criminal record doesnt mean the person isn't violent or hasnt previously comitted a crime, it only means they hadn't been caught. Every criminal has a clean record at some point.
He stole the cigars, the cop approached him shortly afterwards. His adrenaline and anxiety levels were up and he reacted. He didnt want to get caught.
No, I was not aware that an admission has been made - so be it.
It is not common for someone to be violent and make it to 18 without getting caught. That's not to say it doesn't happen, just I'm not ready to jump the gun.
Hell, I don't even mind if the cop shoots someone in the back - depending on circumstances - as I'm not big on this bullshit of trying to break down every micro-second of what occurred. I'm just seeing one assumption after another, with very little facts being released.
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You have no evidence of the cops state of mind.
Cop just got his face smashed in.
I'm actually EXCUSING him, *IF* he pulled piece and opened fire as Brown tried to flee.
technically, unless brown is about to hurt another, he can't put a bullet his way. He can't read minds either. No forcible felony in just runnning.
But IF he did, hey, he's human and getting face smashed in had to hurt. He'd look very weak to other cops & society if he just took a whooping then had to call it in.
So I'm saying - given we had a HIGHLY detailed robbery report quickly and 2 weeks, neither agency did a report or an actual autopsy - there is something in the situation that would piss off the rioters more.
Look, 99% of cops do a great job, and this guy seems like a good cop too. If he shot someone fleeing and/or issued headshot after all that, hey, I don't see prison time. State of mind, etc. But if that's the case, dude isn't cut out for police work. Put him on a desk. Can't handle himself, can't control weapon.
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Cop just got his face smashed in.
I'm actually EXCUSING him, *IF* he pulled piece and opened fire as Brown tried to flee.
technically, unless brown is about to hurt another, he can't put a bullet his way. He can't read minds either. No forcible felony in just runnning.
But IF he did, hey, he's human and getting face smashed in had to hurt. He'd look very weak to other cops & society if he just took a whooping then had to call it in.
So I'm saying - given we had a HIGHLY detailed robbery report quickly and 2 weeks, neither agency did a report or an actual autopsy - there is something in the situation that would piss off the rioters more.
Look, 99% of cops do a great job, and this guy seems like a good cop too. If he shot someone fleeing and/or issued headshot after all that, hey, I don't see prison time. State of mind, etc. But if that's the case, dude isn't cut out for police work. Put him on a desk. Can't handle himself, can't control weapon.
Buddy, next time I'm in Florida we need to have a drink a shoot the breeze. I have a feeling we could talk for hours.
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Buddy, next time I'm in Florida we need to have a drink a shoot the breeze. I have a feeling we could talk for hours.
this is true. There would be 275 IQ points at the table between us.
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No, it's just as easily evidence of self-defense, unless your mind is already made up - as yours seems to clearly be.
From everything I've read, they haven't substantiated that he was the thug robbing the store. He had no criminal record. Why would somebody with no criminal record, just start punching a cop?
I suppose it's possible, and may pan out that way when we know all the facts, but it seems unlikely.
My mind isn't clearly made up. Where are you getting that from? I'm one of the few who is actually waiting for the evidence to come in.
I also think things usually are as they appear to be. The scenario described by the alleged eyewitnesses doesn't make sense and isn't adding up. The kid wasn't shot in the back. I seriously doubt he was on his knees with his hands up saying I surrender when he was shot. Yes it's possible the cop just executed the kid in broad daylight in front of everyone, but that doesn't make sense to me.
I also seriously doubt a cop would try and pull a 6'3" 300 pound "kid" into his police car through the window. Does that really make sense to you?
I also think the fact this kid had just robbed a store and was probably high are important factors.
And we don't know if the kid has a criminal record, because he was only 18. Juvenile records are usually not made public.
In any event, no I haven't made up my mind, but I am leaning based on the information that has been coming out.
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Yeah, you're post and the facebook post just 'happened' to match up, nearly verbatim, lol. ::)
Did it? I wouldn't know. I didn't see the link.
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My mind isn't clearly made up. Where are you getting that from? I'm one of the few who is actually waiting for the evidence to come in.
I also think things usually are as they appear to be. The scenario described by the alleged eyewitnesses doesn't make sense and isn't adding up. The kid wasn't shot in the back. I seriously doubt he was on his knees with his hands up saying I surrender when he was shot. Yes it's possible the cop just executed the kid in broad daylight in front of everyone, but that doesn't make sense to me.
I also seriously doubt a cop would try and pull a 6'3" 300 pound "kid" into his police car through the window. Does that really make sense to you?
I also think the fact this kid had just robbed a store and was probably high are important factors.
And we don't know if the kid has a criminal record, because he was only 18. Juvenile records are usually not made public.
In any event, no I haven't made up my mind, but I am leaning based on the information that has been coming out.
From your posts, of course, lol.
I don't really buy that this kid just stuck his body in the cop car and started punching the cop only to be seen by multiple witnesses as trying to push himself away from the car. Maybe, but that doesn't come across as reasonable to me. If the officer initiated and escalated the fight, then I've got a problem with that.
But, we'll see where the rabbit hole goes.
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From your posts, of course, lol.
I don't really buy that this kid just stuck his body in the cop car and started punching the cop only to be seen by multiple witnesses as trying to push himself away from the car. Maybe, but that doesn't come across as reasonable to me. If the officer initiated and escalated the fight, then I've got a problem with that.
But, we'll see where the rabbit hole goes.
whats more likely to you skip. The guy who just got done robbing a store assaults a cop with his friend right next to him or a cop with no record of abusing his authority tries to pull a oversized kid through his car window with his friend as a witness standing right there?
if you had to put your money on one of them where is your money going?
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From your posts, of course, lol.
I don't really buy that this kid just stuck his body in the cop car and started punching the cop only to be seen by multiple witnesses as trying to push himself away from the car. Maybe, but that doesn't come across as reasonable to me. If the officer initiated and escalated the fight, then I've got a problem with that.
But, we'll see where the rabbit hole goes.
I suspect that the confrontation started the way the kid's friend said, with the cop trying to open his door and the "gentle giant" pushing the door shut. What happened after that? I don't really know. But I don't believe those people who said he was shot in the back (the autopsy confirmed he was not). Those same people are the ones who said he was on his knees with his hands up when he was shot, so you have to question their credibility.
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whats more likely to you skip. The guy who just got done robbing a store assaults a cop with his friend right next to him or a cop with no record of abusing his authority tries to pull a oversized kid through his car window with his friend as a witness standing right there?
if you had to put your money on one of them where is your money going?
I think this is what we're stuck with Tony:
"Witnesses have given investigators conflicting accounts of what occurred. The biggest differences have arisen in describing what happened after Brown ran away from Wilson’s car, as the New York Times reported:
Some witnesses say that Mr. Brown, 18, moved toward Officer Wilson, possibly in a threatening manner, when the officer shot him dead. But others say that Mr. Brown was not moving and may even have had his hands up when he was killed….
Several witnesses have told investigators that Mr. Brown stopped and turned around with his arms up. According to his account to the Ferguson police, Officer Wilson said that Mr. Brown had lowered his arms and moved toward him, law enforcement officials said. Fearing that the teenager was going to attack him, the officer decided to use deadly force. Some witnesses have backed up that account. Others, however — including Mr. Johnson — have said that Mr. Brown did not move toward the officer before the final shots were fired."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/21/here-is-everything-police-and-witnesses-said-happened-when-michael-brown-was-killed/
And the truth is muddled somewhere in the middle, lol.
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I think this is what we're stuck with Tony:
"Witnesses have given investigators conflicting accounts of what occurred. The biggest differences have arisen in describing what happened after Brown ran away from Wilson’s car, as the New York Times reported:
Some witnesses say that Mr. Brown, 18, moved toward Officer Wilson, possibly in a threatening manner, when the officer shot him dead. But others say that Mr. Brown was not moving and may even have had his hands up when he was killed….
Several witnesses have told investigators that Mr. Brown stopped and turned around with his arms up. According to his account to the Ferguson police, Officer Wilson said that Mr. Brown had lowered his arms and moved toward him, law enforcement officials said. Fearing that the teenager was going to attack him, the officer decided to use deadly force. Some witnesses have backed up that account. Others, however — including Mr. Johnson — have said that Mr. Brown did not move toward the officer before the final shots were fired."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/21/here-is-everything-police-and-witnesses-said-happened-when-michael-brown-was-killed/
And the truth is muddled somewhere in the middle, lol.
completely agreed with you.
That being said you didnt answer my question. Those who have said he was shot while his hands in the air also said that he was shot in the back one of which was his accomplice in the robbery that took place minutes before the the shooting.
Your stance right now is that its more likely that a cop with no record of abuse even though he has worked 4 years in a predominately black community without provacation attempted to pull an oversized male through a car window. As opposed to a person who had minutes before robbed a store of sweets to roll blunts with assaulting an officer who was stopping them.
I mean come on man, it really sounds like you have your mind made up.
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completely agreed with you.
That being said you didnt answer my question. Those who have said he was shot while his hands in the air also said that he was shot in the back one of which was his accomplice in the robbery that took place minutes before the the shooting.
Your stance right now is that its more likely that a cop with no record of abuse even though he has worked 4 years in a predominately black community without provacation attempted to pull an oversized male through a car window. As opposed to a person who had minutes before robbed a store of sweets to roll blunts with assaulting an officer who was stopping them.
I mean come on man, it really sounds like you have your mind made up.
I think my problem is I would give both stories equal weight at this point. Cop could've gotten too aggressive, Brown could've gotten too aggressive.
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the fact that it's been 2 weeks...
the local city and county PASSED on delivering an autopsy...
the failure of them to issue any report, while the robbery report had an instant awesome report...
Well, let's just say, if they had their ducks in a row 100%, we would have seen it very quickly. ANY time the police are 100% in the right, they let you know quick, and loudly lol.
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the fact that it's been 2 weeks...
the local city and county PASSED on delivering an autopsy...
the failure of them to issue any report, while the robbery report had an instant awesome report...
Well, let's just say, if they had their ducks in a row 100%, we would have seen it very quickly. ANY time the police are 100% in the right, they let you know quick, and loudly lol.
the robbery took like 3 or 4 days to come out and was released the same day the ID of the officer was.
Why do you constantly need to make shit up?
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More White House officials at Michael Brown's funeral than Thatcher's | Fox News
FOXNEWS.COM ^ | 2014-08-25
Posted on August 25, 2014 at 9:11:07 PM EDT by FreeAtlanta
The White House sent three officials to attend Monday's funeral for Michael Brown in St. Louis -- three more than it sent for former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's funeral last year.
Article Link: More White House officials at Michael Brown’s funeral than Thatcher’s | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/25/more-white-house-officials-at-michael-browns-funeral-than-thatchers/)
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the robbery took like 3 or 4 days to come out and was released the same day the ID of the officer was.
Why do you constantly need to make shit up?
sorry, it's been what, 3 weeks? they still can't get shooting straight.
dude,, you know if it was crystal clear (like that St Louis shooting), we'd hear about it the next day.
I tell ya man - it's possible to consider brown to be a piece of shit AND not lapdog the shitty police dept there at the same time. You dont have to choose a side lol.
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sorry, it's been what, 3 weeks? they still can't get shooting straight.
dude,, you know if it was crystal clear (like that St Louis shooting), we'd hear about it the next day.
I tell ya man - it's possible to consider brown to be a piece of shit AND not lapdog the shitty police dept there at the same time. You dont have to choose a side lol.
LMFAO whos choosing a side?
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More White House officials at Michael Brown's funeral than Thatcher's | Fox News
FOXNEWS.COM ^ | 2014-08-25
Posted on August 25, 2014 at 9:11:07 PM EDT by FreeAtlanta
The White House sent three officials to attend Monday's funeral for Michael Brown in St. Louis -- three more than it sent for former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's funeral last year.
Article Link: More White House officials at Michael Brown’s funeral than Thatcher’s | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/25/more-white-house-officials-at-michael-browns-funeral-than-thatchers/)
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Michael Brown was an American who died on American soil at the hands of the people charged with protecting him... Thatcher wasn't.
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Michael Brown was an American who died on American soil at the hands of the people charged with protecting him... Thatcher wasn't.
Youre bending the narrative. The police are charged with protecting the public from the likes of people like Michael Brown.
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the fact it's been 2 weeks and both city/county police departments PASSED on an actual autopsy, nobody is releasing anything aobut the shooting but we have a dictionary about the robbery lol..
I'm betting there will be some big discrepancy that cannot be quite explained away... Maybe the robber beat up the cop, turned to flee, and the cop regained his poise and fired a round... dude attacked again and got wasted. totally understanable, but questionable on the legality side of it, to plug a dude running away with no clear felony other than eluding on the menu.
IMO, that's why it's been silent on that front. Do I think the cop should be charged? NO NO NO. Do I think he was dazed and pissed off royally and embarassed? Of course. Do I think cop probably shot a dude fleeing with bullet #1? yep. But he shoudln't go to jail for it. Real life shit is real life shit. Brown had no choice by to charge or catch rounds in the back, and at that point, he was lights out either way.
Brown charges and catches the rest of the bullets and maybe gets "one for good measure"... clear headshot from above at the end.
Cop might be a cold blooded dude, he may never deserve to ever walk the beat again if he did issue a headshot to a dude after wasting him. But after getting his ass whopped, he probbaly wasn't thinking clearly. Again, it's real life.
THE PAUSE. Is that the reason?
Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown shot
(CNN) -- Could a newly released audio provide more clues on what led up to Michael Brown's shooting death?
The FBI has questioned a man who says he recorded audio of gunfire at the time Brown was shot by Ferguson police on August 9, the man's attorney told CNN.
In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots.
Forensic audio expert Paul Ginsberg analyzed the recording and said he detected at least 10 gunshots -- a cluster of six, followed by four.
"I was very concerned about that pause ... because it's not just the number of gunshots, it's how they're fired," the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon. "And that has a huge relevance on how this case might finally end up."
The man, who asked that his identity not be revealed, lives near the site of the shooting and was close enough to have heard the gunshots, his attorney said.
He was speaking to a friend on a video chat service and happened to be recording the conversation at the same time Brown was shot, Blumenthal said.
The attorney said she learned of the man's recording late last week from a mutual friend.
"I had to get his consent before I could reach out to the FBI," Blumenthal said.
The meaning of the pause
It's difficult to prove from the audio why the pause took place or whose narrative it supports.
Attorney Chris Chestnut said he was surprised by the gap in shots.
"It's the pause that gives most concern in a police shooting, especially with an unarmed victim, because at this point Mr. Brown is defenseless -- he has no weapon," said Chestnut, who represented the family of Jonathan Ferrell.
cnn
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THE PAUSE. Is that the reason?
Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown shot
(CNN) -- Could a newly released audio provide more clues on what led up to Michael Brown's shooting death?
The FBI has questioned a man who says he recorded audio of gunfire at the time Brown was shot by Ferguson police on August 9, the man's attorney told CNN.
In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots.
Forensic audio expert Paul Ginsberg analyzed the recording and said he detected at least 10 gunshots -- a cluster of six, followed by four.
"I was very concerned about that pause ... because it's not just the number of gunshots, it's how they're fired," the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon. "And that has a huge relevance on how this case might finally end up."
The man, who asked that his identity not be revealed, lives near the site of the shooting and was close enough to have heard the gunshots, his attorney said.
He was speaking to a friend on a video chat service and happened to be recording the conversation at the same time Brown was shot, Blumenthal said.
The attorney said she learned of the man's recording late last week from a mutual friend.
"I had to get his consent before I could reach out to the FBI," Blumenthal said.
The meaning of the pause
It's difficult to prove from the audio why the pause took place or whose narrative it supports.
Attorney Chris Chestnut said he was surprised by the gap in shots.
"It's the pause that gives most concern in a police shooting, especially with an unarmed victim, because at this point Mr. Brown is defenseless -- he has no weapon," said Chestnut, who represented the family of Jonathan Ferrell.
cnn
Very interesting.
Are the police still claiming there was one shot fired from inside the vehicle?
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Very interesting.
Are the police still claiming there was one shot fired from inside the vehicle?
Not sure. Not sure if this recording is legit. We'll have to wait until the investigation is over if we are really interested in the facts of what happened.
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Not sure. Not sure if this recording is legit. We'll have to wait until the investigation is over if we are really interested in the facts of what happened.
I agree. Did Wilson wrongfully shoot him?
How do the protesters feel if it comes out Wilson's actions were justified under the law and Police code?
What should happen if it comes out that he wrongfully shot him? What should his punishment be?
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I agree. Did Wilson wrongfully shoot him?
How do the protesters feel if it comes out Wilson's actions were justified under the law and Police code?
What should happen if it comes out that he wrongfully shot him? What should his punishment be?
A few thuggies got some free OE and Colt 45's - nothing else matters.
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Youre bending the narrative. The police are charged with protecting the public from the likes of people like Michael Brown.
Lol...owned
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Youre bending the narrative. The police are charged with protecting the public from the likes of people like Michael Brown.
;D
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Youre bending the narrative. The police are charged with protecting the public from the likes of people like Michael Brown.
ouch.
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6 rapid shots... then a pause... then 4 rapid shots.... last one was a headshot from above, down on the dome.
Now, if this new evidence ends up being very different from the original cop's account (If we ever get that lol), I suppose some will just blame clerical error, etc.
But IMO, they KNEW some camera out there would be recording something, even just audio... and they did receive this recording at some point... the original story wasn't gonna hold water anymore, and you can't walk it back once it's written down.
Guys, at some point, it'll be 4 weeks, 5 weeks, 6 weeks... with more and more tapes and witnesses and other empirical evidence that really counters the original tale... and we'll have to ask... does any department really make this many mistakes (particularly when the mistakes benefit the police and reduce their culpability every time)? OR at some point, do we admit they're lying?
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Not sure. Not sure if this recording is legit. We'll have to wait until the investigation is over if we are really interested in the facts of what happened.
100% true.
Did you hear the recording, though?
It's hilarious in that the dude sounds like he's creepily semi-harassing some (probably foreign) woman; "You are SO pretty". lol
On that basis alone, the tape is probably real. lol
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Have not heard the tape, but the pause sounds consistent with someone saying he kept advancing after being shot.
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I agree. Did Wilson wrongfully shoot him?
How do the protesters feel if it comes out Wilson's actions were justified under the law and Police code?
What should happen if it comes out that he wrongfully shot him? What should his punishment be?
sounds like Brown may have been daring him after their initial scuffle.
They tusseled... cop got punched in the face, and fired wildly, possibly hitting Brown with that one bullet in the arm.
Brown retreats, cop yells stop. Brown turns around. Bleeding but very much alive. Daring the cop to shoot him again. At this point, against a bleeding, unarmed man, they are trained not to issue headshots lol. But in the heat of the moment, he's just a man, he's hurt, and maybe he does see brown move an inch and he shoots him four more times.
And the headshot, they might have been pure emotion/anger at the end. Brown probably dies without that final "coup de grace", but many men have gone to prison for that one final headshot to really wrap things up.
Any cop that issues a headshot shouldn't be a cop anymore. Maybe not a life sentence - he did get his ass whooped, he was in a scary situation. But he shouldn't ever be armed with life/death decision making ability again. the headshot... I really wanna see details/ballistics of that. Maybe he did it with a weird lucky shot as Brown fell, and really just got lucky... but wow, dome from above.... yikes.
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If 6-4, 290 lb thug is bullrushing me im gonna empty as many rounds as i can into him. You have to. This isnt the movies where one handgun bullet instantly knocks down/kills anyone. A man that size who is determined isnt going to be immediately stopped with a 9mm with anything other than a headshot. If he reaches you, chances are you get severely beaten, maybe critically, and hes gonna get your gun out of your hand and probably use it.
All accounts brown attacked/rushed him. Cop did exactly what he was trained to do. If brown was a white kid, or an asian kid, or a civilized black kid, he probably would have not escalated the situation and hed be alive today. But he wanted to be a punk neegar and stupidly attack a cop. Thats why he got shot.
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If 6-4, 290 lb thug is bullrushing me im gonna empty as many rounds as i can into him. You have to. This isnt the movies where one handgun bullet instantly knocks down/kills anyone. A man that size who is determined isnt going to be immediately stopped with a 9mm with anything other than a headshot. If he reaches you, chances are you get severely beaten, maybe critically, and hes gonna get your gun out of your hand and probably use it.
All accounts brown attacked/rushed him. Cop did exactly what he was trained to do. If brown was a white kid, or an asian kid, or a civilized black kid, he probably would have not escalated the situation and hed be alive today. But he wanted to be a punk neegar and stupidly attack a cop. Thats why he got shot.
And if it was 6'4 290lb white guy shot by a black cop would be OK for white people to protest, riot, loot and compare it too white Jesus getting crucified on the cross?
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If 6-4, 290 lb thug is bullrushing me im gonna empty as many rounds as i can into him. You have to. This isnt the movies where one handgun bullet instantly knocks down/kills anyone. A man that size who is determined isnt going to be immediately stopped with a 9mm with anything other than a headshot. If he reaches you, chances are you get severely beaten, maybe critically, and hes gonna get your gun out of your hand and probably use it.
All accounts brown attacked/rushed him. Cop did exactly what he was trained to do. If brown was a white kid, or an asian kid, or a civilized black kid, he probably would have not escalated the situation and hed be alive today. But he wanted to be a punk neegar and stupidly attack a cop. Thats why he got shot.
If he rushed the cop, then I agree with everything you said. They are trained to shoot to stop the threat, and if the guy was still advancing, he was still a threat.
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If 6-4, 290 lb thug is bullrushing me im gonna empty as many rounds as i can into him. You have to. This isnt the movies where one handgun bullet instantly knocks down/kills anyone. A man that size who is determined isnt going to be immediately stopped with a 9mm with anything other than a headshot. If he reaches you, chances are you get severely beaten, maybe critically, and hes gonna get your gun out of your hand and probably use it.
All accounts brown attacked/rushed him. Cop did exactly what he was trained to do. If brown was a white kid, or an asian kid, or a civilized black kid, he probably would have not escalated the situation and hed be alive today. But he wanted to be a punk neegar and stupidly attack a cop. Thats why he got shot.
All accounts? WTF?
BTW, how big is Wilson (the cop)?
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And if it was 6'4 290lb white guy shot by a black cop would be OK for white people to protest, riot, loot and compare it too white Jesus getting crucified on the cross?
The purpose of these riots has nothing to do with protesting injustice. They are intended as a method of intimidation and extortion. We've written this community a blank check and they cashed it.
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The purpose of these riots has nothing to do with protesting injustice. They are intended as a method of intimidation and extortion. We've written this community a blank check and they cashed it.
Cashed on white guilt?
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Cashed on white guilt?
Yes, its a strategy that has been employed for over fifty years. One only needs to look at the way the media has provided cover by justifying the actions of the rioters. There is rarely if ever any repercussions for this kind of behavior.
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All accounts? WTF?
BTW, how big is Wilson (the cop)?
This says 5'7" 170. I don't know if that's accurate, but in looking at his picture, I'd peg him at a buck 70 max.
http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/2014/08/ferguson-police-officer-darren-wilson-hosed-by-black-racists-and-agitators.html
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I agree. Did Wilson wrongfully shoot him?
How do the protesters feel if it comes out Wilson's actions were justified under the law and Police code?
What should happen if it comes out that he wrongfully shot him? What should his punishment be?
1. I don't know if he wrongfully shot him, or if he justifiably shot him. I suspect no one here does
2. The facts aren't what most protesters are after. They want the officer prosecuted. Anything short of an indictment and conviction will be viewed as a cover up by the man
3. If it is found he wrongfully shot him he should be indicted and go to trial. The punishment should be what the jurors/judge decide based on the totality of the circumstances and facts.
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This says 5'7" 170. I don't know if that's accurate, but in looking at his picture, I'd peg him at a buck 70 max.
http://www.onecitizenspeaking.com/2014/08/ferguson-police-officer-darren-wilson-hosed-by-black-racists-and-agitators.html
I don't think it says that. Those stats seem to be for "Frankie Estrada" a perpetrator who beat the shit out the cop who was arresting him in an unrelated incident. (The article seems to be citing Frankie's unimpressive stats as a way to point out that folks of all sizes are dangerous to cops, I think.)
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1. I don't know if he wrongfully shot him, or if he justifiably shot him. I suspect no one here does
2. The facts aren't what most protesters are after. They want the officer prosecuted. Anything short of an indictment and conviction will be viewed as a cover up by the man
3. If it is found he wrongfully shot him he should be indicted and go to trial. The punishment should be what the jurors/judge decide based on the totality of the circumstances and facts.
All of this seems fair to me.
You are or were a LEO, right? I'm assuming you know some/most of the known specifics about this incident.
Does it seem at all irregular to you in the way it's been handled by the Ferguson and St. Louis Police departments?
Whether Wison is or isn't in the wrong here, do you think it's fair to say that the Ferguson and St. Louis Police departments suck at dealing with this kind of thing?
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I don't think it says that. Those stats seem to be for "Frankie Estrada" a perpetrator who beat the shit out the cop who was arresting him in an unrelated incident. (The article seems to be citing Frankie's unimpressive stats as a way to point out that folks of all sizes are dangerous to cops, I think.)
It's not clear. Regardless, the cop looks like he is about that weight, at most, anyway.
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1. I don't know if he wrongfully shot him, or if he justifiably shot him. I suspect no one here does
2. The facts aren't what most protesters are after. They want the officer prosecuted. Anything short of an indictment and conviction will be viewed as a cover up by the man
3. If it is found he wrongfully shot him he should be indicted and go to trial. The punishment should be what the jurors/judge decide based on the totality of the circumstances and facts.
I agree with #1 & #3
I think the protestors wanted answers, and were met with armored trucks, tear gas, bullets, police dogs, and guns in their faces. And as fmr. Seattle Police Chief stated, (read his yellow highlighted text from page 1) many came back as wounded warriors, some chose to riot.
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Another future looter and robber and liberal voter dead - yeah huge loss. ::)
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I agree with #1 & #3
I think the protestors wanted answers, and were met with armored trucks, tear gas, bullets, police dogs, and guns in their faces. And as fmr. Seattle Police Chief stated, (read his yellow highlighted text from page 1) many came back as wounded warriors, some chose to riot.
The riots started first. Stop making excuses for these thieves.
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The riots started first. Stop making excuses for these thieves.
Actually, no they did not. The militarized police presence occured. they tried to breakup a lawful crowd's right to assembly. that's when all hell broke loose.
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Actually, no they did not. The militarized police presence occured. they tried to breakup a lawful crowd's right to assembly. that's when all hell broke loose.
No one gives a shit about looters and thugs
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Actually, no they did not. The militarized police presence occured. they tried to breakup a lawful crowd's right to assembly. that's when all hell broke loose.
You're wrong. The riots and stealing began first. You're giving these thieves way to much credit. You want to turn this into some kind of civil rights issues when its a bunch of opportunists who wanted to steal.
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No one gives a shit about looters and thugs
That's the problem SC. Those who dismiss this entire town as looters & thugs, are ignoring some very real issues, about the way police are operating these days. You yourself have stated "the NYPD are nothing more than a bunch of thugs... the biggest gang in NYC, ...bigger than the Bloods or the Crips" Either they are or they aren't? Or is it that they are, ...but you don't give a poop, as long as they are hassling blacks, you're ok with it, and willing to turn a blind eye?
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You're wrong. The riots and stealing began first. You're giving these thieves way to much credit. You want to turn this into some kind of civil rights issues when its a bunch of opportunists who wanted to steal.
I don't give a shit about thieves. I'm talking about the residents of Ferguson.
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I don't give a shit about thieves. I'm talking about the residents of Ferguson.
The riots were about thievery not civil unrest. Protesting has nothing to do with stealing the latest Jordans from the shoe store or a flat screen tv.
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The riots were about thievery not civil unrest. Protesting has nothing to do with stealing the latest Jordans from the shoe store or a flat screen tv.
I'm not concerned about thieves.
My concern is with the protestors and the way they were treated by the police.
Journalists being threatened at gunpoint, tear gassed... it's ludicrous.
If that's the way they conduct themselves against law abiding citizens while the whole world watches, ...what do they do when the camera isn't on them? Whether you like it or not, the spotlight is theirs, and this can be a teaching moment, ...or you can prepare to bend over, and take a billy club up the ass!
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I'm not concerned about thieves.
My concern is with the protestors and the way they were treated by the police.
Journalists being threatened at gunpoint, tear gassed... it's ludicrous.
If that's the way they conduct themselves against law abiding citizens while the whole world watches, ...what do they do when the camera isn't on them? Whether you like it or not, the spotlight is theirs, and this can be a teaching moment, ...or you can prepare to bend over, and take a billy club up the ass!
This will not be a teaching moment because that would require them to learn something and that is unlikely to happen. Learning involves a modicum of self reflection and for a community with a long history of externalizing problems this is a lot to hope for.
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Another future looter and robber and liberal voter dead - yeah huge loss. ::)
What is the worst one in your mind. Being a looter and robber or the fact he was a liberal voter? :)
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I agree with #1 & #3
I think the protestors wanted answers, and were met with armored trucks, tear gas, bullets, police dogs, and guns in their faces. And as fmr. Seattle Police Chief stated, (read his yellow highlighted text from page 1) many came back as wounded warriors, some chose to riot.
The protesters should have been smart enough to understand answers come after an investigation. We've already got people on this board crying cover up because some information released early on has been corrected. And the protest itself indicates a rush to judgment in and of itself. It assumes a bad shooting
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The protesters should have been smart enough to understand answers come after an investigation. We've already got people on this board crying cover up because some information released early on has been corrected. And the protest itself indicates a rush to judgment in and of itself. It assumes a bad shooting
Exactly.
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Yea, cause cops investigating themselves shouldn't be an issue, lol. ::)
Brown was shot on the 9th.
There was a memorial on the 10th and a group of bad people used it as an opportunity to loot.
Rather than chill-out, the cops went militant and escalated the entire situation.
A lack of transparency and completely deplorable behavior by the cops are what made the protests the "protests".
Naturally...it's always somebody else's fault. Not the cops. ::)
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No one gives a shit about looters and thugs
No love in that statement, 33.
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Yea, cause cops investigating themselves shouldn't be an issue, lol. ::)
Brown was shot on the 9th.
There was a memorial on the 10th and a group of bad people used it as an opportunity to loot.
Rather than chill-out, the cops went militant and escalated the entire situation.
A lack of transparency and completely deplorable behavior by the cops are what made the protests the "protests".
Naturally...it's always somebody else's fault. Not the cops. ::)
I'm no fan of the police, but GMAFB. Are you seriously trying to argue that the protests were all guitar circles and hand holding until the police escalated everything?
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The protesters should have been smart enough to understand answers come after an investigation. We've already got people on this board crying cover up because some information released early on has been corrected. And the protest itself indicates a rush to judgment in and of itself. It assumes a bad shooting
Like too many people have seen in the past, ...including the protestors, far too often, these investigations lead no where, or to a coverup.
A good clean shoot, if there is even such a thing involving an unarmed child is rather transparent. I've seen nothing that suggests transparency on the part of the Ferguson PD. Not now, and certainly not in the days immediately following the shooting. Infact, we've seen the exact opposite, with deliberate attempts at racist character assassinations of the victim by members of the Ferguson PD, along with their civil right to assemble and/or petition for address of grievances.
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Yea, cause cops investigating themselves shouldn't be an issue, lol. ::)
Brown was shot on the 9th.
There was a memorial on the 10th and a group of bad people used it as an opportunity to loot.
Rather than chill-out, the cops went militant and escalated the entire situation.
A lack of transparency and completely deplorable behavior by the cops are what made the protests the "protests".
Naturally...it's always somebody else's fault. Not the cops. ::)
^^^^^^THIS
BINGO!!!!
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I'm no fan of the police, but GMAFB. Are you seriously trying to argue that the protests were all guitar circles and hand holding until the police escalated everything?
No, what I'm saying is the cops over-reacted to a small group of hooligans, went militant and escalated the entire situation.
BTW, Captain Johnson, who restored order, pointed out the need for de-escalation of force, and it seems to me he's had some pretty damn good results.
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What exactly were blacks protesting during Hurricane Katrina?
(http://race.iheartsociology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/looters2.jpg)
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No, what I'm saying is the cops over-reacted to a small group of hooligans, went militant and escalated the entire situation.
BTW, Captain Johnson, who restored order, pointed out the need for de-escalation of force, and it seems to me he's had some pretty damn good results.
Come on Skip while yes there were instances where they over reacted there was also instances when they did nothing. Like when they allowed the people to loot the stores and burn down the gas station where brown and his accomplice robbed the swisher sweets from.
They should have prevented that bull shit from happening and instead they sat their and watched it all go down.
You cant simply blame the cops in this situation the people commiting the crimes also are to blame for the escalation.
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Come on Skip while yes there were instances where they over reacted there was also instances when they did nothing. Like when they allowed the people to loot the stores and burn down the gas station where brown and his accomplice robbed the swisher sweets from.
They should have prevented that bull shit from happening and instead they sat their and watched it all go down.
You cant simply blame the cops in this situation the people commiting the crimes also are to blame for the escalation.
Exactly. No riots= no escalation
Personally, I would have called animal control.
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I'd ask all of Ferguson's crackers to leave town and then nuke it.
Problem solved.
Since OJ got off on multiple technicalities I cannot stand blacks who feel they have a right to do as they please just because 20 generations ago their family members were enslaved.
Indians are fiscally exempt. Now blacks pretend they ought to be given judicial exemption.
Even if they rob, intimidate and assault a store owner.
You are black, living in what was a radically racially divided part of the country where "don't let the sun set on your black ass in this town" was everywhere up until the late 70s... And, once accepted, you go around robbing stores and assaulting people? And then, to top it all off, you expect a racist cop to actually ask you to stop and put your hands behind your back instead of shooting you? Which was always his first choice mind you...
That's suicide. Same as me walking into Bed-Stuy at 4 in the morning wearing all my gold and looking for crack. It's not racism, it's stupidity.
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What exactly were blacks protesting during Hurricane Katrina?
(http://race.iheartsociology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/looters2.jpg)
If your home was flooded due a dam breaking and you had to get out fast with nothing ....you would prob go and grab....hmmmm food, water,......and clothes ::)
Looting and violence
Further information: Effects of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans
A Border Patrol Special Response Team searches a hotel room-by-room in New Orleans in response to Hurricane Katrina.
Shortly after the hurricane moved away on August 30, 2005, some residents of New Orleans who remained in the city began looting stores. Many were in search of food and water that were not available to them through any other means, as well as non-essential items.[93] Additionally, there were reports of carjacking, murders, thefts and rapes in New Orleans. Some sources later determined that many of the reports were inaccurate, greatly exaggerated or completely false, leading news agencies printed retractions.[94]
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If your home was flooded due a dam breaking and you had to get out fast with nothing ....you would prob go and grab....hmmmm food, water,......and clothes ::)
Looting and violence
Further information: Effects of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans
A Border Patrol Special Response Team searches a hotel room-by-room in New Orleans in response to Hurricane Katrina.
Shortly after the hurricane moved away on August 30, 2005, some residents of New Orleans who remained in the city began looting stores. Many were in search of food and water that were not available to them through any other means, as well as non-essential items.[93] Additionally, there were reports of carjacking, murders, thefts and rapes in New Orleans. Some sources later determined that many of the reports were inaccurate, greatly exaggerated or completely false, leading news agencies printed retractions.[94]
And a TV set too! ;D
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If your home was flooded due a dam breaking and you had to get out fast with nothing ....you would prob go and grab....hmmmm food, water,......and clothes ::)
Looting and violence
Further information: Effects of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans
A Border Patrol Special Response Team searches a hotel room-by-room in New Orleans in response to Hurricane Katrina.
Shortly after the hurricane moved away on August 30, 2005, some residents of New Orleans who remained in the city began looting stores. Many were in search of food and water that were not available to them through any other means, as well as non-essential items.[93] Additionally, there were reports of carjacking, murders, thefts and rapes in New Orleans. Some sources later determined that many of the reports were inaccurate, greatly exaggerated or completely false, leading news agencies printed retractions.[94]
my home was flooded twice growing up once by Ike and we like most of houston did not have power for weeks. We didnt go out looting and taking shit that didnt belong to us.
Dont you fucking dare come on here and excuse that shit behavior just b/c you think you need to defend them b/c they are black. You feel like youre bringing them up when youre defending them but the truth is they are dragging you down.
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I miss this guy..... gave us all some good photoshop laughs......
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Good For Kevin Sorbo!!!
Finally people are waking up to this crap....
https://www.facebook.com/KevinSorbo/photos/a.127534470619961.10880.117383481635060/814285861944815/
(https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10600622_814285861944815_1021395386467104704_n.jpg)
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my home was flooded twice growing up once by Ike and we like most of houston did not have power for weeks. We didnt go out looting and taking shit that didnt belong to us.
Dont you fucking dare come on here and excuse that shit behavior just b/c you think you need to defend them b/c they are black. You feel like youre bringing them up when youre defending them but the truth is they are dragging you down.
Fuck you...the saying is is
If you white, you alright
If you black, you can't relax
Fuck you again for good measure
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Fuck you...the saying is is
If you white, you alright
If you black, you can't relax
Fuck you again for good measure
LMFAO and what does that have to do with looting and you justifying it?
bad behavior should not be justified even if it means youre sticking up for your cohorts. Blacks most of all should be going out of their way to condemn this stupidity.
Like I said you feel like your defending blacks and bringing them up but the truth as a person who doesnt partake in their stupidity and ignorance you are being dragged down by them.
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Are you drinking?
Fuck you...the saying is is
If you white, you alright
If you black, you can't relax
Fuck you again for good measure
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Good For Kevin Sorbo!!!
Finally people are waking up to this crap....
https://www.facebook.com/KevinSorbo/photos/a.127534470619961.10880.117383481635060/814285861944815/
(https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10600622_814285861944815_1021395386467104704_n.jpg)
plenty of white folks looting in the picture as well
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plenty of white folks looting in the picture as well
The security guard trying to stop the plunder?
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The security guard trying to stop the plunder?
LOL... give up... you will have better luck talking to a wall...
thats like saying all the white media camera man and reporters are also looting in Ferguson
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Mid-Missouri man describes repeated lies by witness in Michael Brown Shooting Case
POSTED 10:40 PM, SEPTEMBER 2, 2014, BY CHRIS HAYES
JEFFERSON CITY, MO (KTVI) – We`re looking deeper into the criminal cases against a witness in the Michael Brown shooting. Dorian Johnson pleaded guilty to lying to police in a 2011 theft case and a warrant still remains for his arrest. FOX2`s Chris Hayes went to Jefferson City to talk to a man who says he caught Johnson stealing and then listened to his repeated lies.
It started behind the Jefferson City YMCA, where a maintenance man said he saw someone, later identified as Dorian Johnson, carrying a FedEx box from a nearby apartment complex.
Kelly Lewis said, ‘He picked the package up off D section, which I knew the lady that lived there, so I knew it wasn`t his package.’
Lewis said he followed and called police as he watched Johnson dump the box behind the Y. A Jefferson City police report documents 19-year-old Dorian Johnson saying his ‘name was Derrick’ then claiming ‘he was 16.’ Next police said he gave a ‘date of birth’ which ‘would mean he was 17′ and told police ‘he had no identification.’
Lewis remembered, ‘He never told them the truth,’ and described watching the runaround for about one hour. Lewis added, ‘I looked down at his sock. I remember that`s where people carry IDs. I told the police officer that. I said I think his ID is in his sock, so the police officer checked it. He got out his ID and found out who he was.”
The Lincoln University student ID reportedly read ‘Dorian J Johnson,’ but the police report states Johnson ‘said he was holding the ID card for someone else.’
Lewis said, ‘To me it was a just a petty little thing that if he would`ve just stood up and told the truth, it would`ve been over.’
The police report shows it continued at the jail where Johnson signed a ‘court summons’ with his false name ‘Derrick.’
Then a Lincoln University police officer reportedly walked in the room. The report states, ‘Due to previous contacts with Johnson, he immediately recognized him as Dorian J. Johnson.’
Johnson pleaded guilty to making false statements. The theft case remains open – with an active arrest warrant for failing to appear.
Johnson`s attorney, Freeman Bosley Jr., declined to respond on camera, but wrote that his client`s reported deception has ‘..nothing to do with a police officer shooting an unarmed man six times, two times in the head. This is called using excessive force.’ Bosley Jr. added that he`s filed an appearance on behalf of Johnson in Jefferson City, asking for a Judge to recall the arrest warrant.
It`s unclear, if this could impact the Michael Brown shooting investigation. Other witnesses, including Piaget Crenshaw, also described Brown putting his hands up before a Ferguson officer shot him. At least one witness appears to describe Brown charging the officer before the shooting. Since it appears nothing was captured on camera, jurors will be relying solely on who they believe, along with the physical evidence.
http://fox2now.com/2014/09/02/mid-missouri-man-describes-repeated-lies-by-witness-in-michael-brown-shooting-case/
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Come on Skip while yes there were instances where they over reacted there was also instances when they did nothing. Like when they allowed the people to loot the stores and burn down the gas station where brown and his accomplice robbed the swisher sweets from.
They should have prevented that bull shit from happening and instead they sat their and watched it all go down.
You cant simply blame the cops in this situation the people commiting the crimes also are to blame for the escalation.
Yes, we can simply blame the cops. Not all 'escalation' is the same. They could've escalated a little, instead they chose to behave like a bunch tyrants.
And considering the Captain in charge came in with a policy of de-escalating the force, and had successful results, I think it's a fairly good indicator - not scientific, of course - but you get the point.
The cops, like the criminals, are more than capable of choosing their actions.
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Yes, we can simply blame the cops. Not all 'escalation' is the same. They could've escalated a little, instead they chose to behave like a bunch tyrants.
And considering the Captain in charge came in with a policy of de-escalating the force, and had successful results, I think it's a fairly good indicator - not scientific, of course - but you get the point.
The cops, like the criminals, are more than capable of choosing their actions.
No you cant b/c the cops actions were in response to the rioting etc....you can argue that it was excessive but you cant simply blame them b/c the idiots who rioted caused the situation in which the escalation happend.
Without A you dont have B
Where the cops acting excessively when they sat there and watched the protestors loot nearby stores and burn down the gas station?
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No you cant b/c the cops actions were in response to the rioting etc....you can argue that it was excessive but you cant simply blame them b/c the idiots who rioted caused the situation in which the escalation happend.
Without A you dont have B
Where the cops acting excessively when they sat there and watched the protestors loot nearby stores and burn down the gas station?
? I think you're clearly lost. You can't point to me saying that an escalation of force wasn't justified.
We're talking about whether or not it was excessive.
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? I think you're clearly lost. You can't point to me saying that an escalation of force wasn't justified.
We're talking about whether or not it was excessive.
ahh I see, I definetly think there were times when it was excessive just like there were times though that they were basically non existent.
The entire handling of the situation from the information released to the press to the handling of the rioters has been shitty.
Seriously though these fucks sat there and watched while some criminals looted stores and burned down the gas station. If I was a store owner I would sue the shit of out the police force for not doing their job in that instance.
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ahh I see, I definetly think there were times when it was excessive just like there were times though that they were basically non existent.
The entire handling of the situation from the information released to the press to the handling of the rioters has been shitty.
Seriously though these fucks sat there and watched while some criminals looted stores and burned down the gas station. If I was a store owner I would sue the shit of out the police force for not doing their job in that instance.
Ha...that would be nice, but they're protected from that as well, lol. It's lose lose.
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Ha...that would be nice, but they're protected from that as well, lol. It's lose lose.
I know those fucks would claim if they got involved it would have made the situation worse. I would have loved to see a few store owners on the roof picking off people who were robbing their stores.
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CLAYTON, Mo. (AP) - The 18-year-old fatally shot by a suburban St. Louis police officer didn't face any juvenile charges at the time of his death and never was charged with a serious felony such as murder, robbery or burglary, a juvenile court system lawyer said Wednesday.
Those details emerged at a hearing in which two media organizations sought the release of any possible juvenile records for Michael Brown.
Cynthia Harcourt, the St. Louis County juvenile office's attorney, offered the most specific public details on whether Brown faced legal trouble before his 18th birthday - a subject of intense speculation in a case that has garnered global attention. The 45-minute hearing before a St. Louis County family court judge didn't reveal whether Brown had ever been charged with lesser offenses as a juvenile.
Juvenile records are confidential in Missouri, but under state law, being charged with certain violent crimes removes those juvenile privacy protections. Police have said Brown had no adult criminal record.
Joe Martineau, an attorney for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, cited an overriding public right to know Brown's history after his early August shooting death by Ferguson officer Darren Wilson sparked more than a week of sometimes-violent protests and drew international scrutiny.
"There is interest in knowing Michael Brown's background," Martineau said. "What we're asking for here is just verification, one way or the other ... We're acting in a vacuum here."
Harcourt that "simple curiosity" doesn't trump the state's legal interest in protecting minors accused of crimes.
"The court of public opinion does not require the release of juvenile records," she said.
Brown family attorney Anthony Gray attended the hearing and sat next to Harcourt but did not speak in court. Afterward, he called the requests by the St. Louis newspaper and a northern California online journalist "shameful."
"The true motivation for the request of the records is character assassination," he said.
Gray argued that even if Brown did have a brush with the juvenile court system - including for such low-level offenses as truancy - those details are irrelevant to the question of whether Wilson acted with excessive force.
"I don't know what would be the relevance of that ... after this young man was executed in broad daylight," he said.
The civil lawsuit by Charles C. Johnson of Fresno, California, cites a 1984 Missouri Court of Appeals ruling that allowed the release of the juvenile records of an 18-year-old who was killed by a security guard while shoplifting at a supermarket in 1979.
That man's mother challenged a trial court's decision to release the records to defendants who were hoping to determine the 18-year-old's lost earning capacity.
Johnson is editor-in-chief of the website GotNews.com. He also attended the hearing.
Judge Ellen Levy Siwack did not indicate how long she would take before releasing a ruling.
Also on Wednesday, a grand jury was scheduled to meet for the third time since Brown's death to consider evidence in a possible criminal case. The police shooting is also being investigated by the U.S. Justice Department's Civil Rights Division.
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I keep reading "no serious felony charges" which isn't exactly the same thing as a clean record
Have they actually released them so we can judge what's serious and what isn't?
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I keep reading "no serious felony charges" which isn't exactly the same thing as a clean record
Have they actually released them so we can judge what's serious and what isn't?
I agree. Sounds like he does have a record, but maybe not for murder. Somebody is going to leak it eventually.
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I agree. Sounds like he does have a record, but maybe not for murder. Somebody is going to leak it eventually.
The original Gentle Giant stories at daily kos and huffpo were very specific in quoting his family that he'd never so much as been in trouble with the police for anything.
It's almost as if people have been lying about this story since the start.
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The original Gentle Giant stories at daily kos and huffpo were very specific in quoting his family that he'd never so much as been in trouble with the police for anything.
It's almost as if people have been lying about this story since the start.
People have been lying about this from the start. The first comments I heard was that the kid was shot in the back and was on his knees with his hands up when he was shot. Those statements really gave me pause, but it looks like they were not true either.
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i hope that cracked orbital, cheekbone is healing.
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New Claims Made by Grand Jury Witness Who Says He Saw Shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson From Start to Finish
Oct. 16, 2014
Jason Howerton
An Ohio resident has reportedly revealed new details to the grand jury currently weighing a case against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. The unidentified witness claims to have seen the Brown shooting from start to finish.
In an interview with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the eyewitness recalled four key details:
• After an initial scuffle in the car, the officer did not fire until Brown turned back toward him.
• Brown put his arms out to his sides but never raised his hands high.
• Brown staggered toward Wilson despite commands to stop.
• The two were about 20 to 25 feet apart when the last shots were fired.
The man’s account differs some with other Ferguson residents who have claimed that Brown’s hands were up in the air when he was shot and that he was running away from the officer the entire time.
The witness, who is reportedly black, said he saw Wilson’s police vehicle stop near Brown and his friend Dorian Johnson as they walked in the middle of the street. He said he heard the officer say something to the pair, but he wasn’t sure what was said. He said officer Wilson then drove past them and proceeded to back his vehicle up.
Looking at the scene unfold from the right side of the police SUV, the witness claims he saw a “tussle going on” and recalled seeing Wilson’s hat come off.
The “tussle” was allegedly followed by a gunshot, sending Brown running away from the officer. The witness said Wilson then drew his firearm and yelled, “Stop! Stop! Stop!”
More from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:
The witness said Brown did stop, mumbled something he could not clearly hear and took a step toward Wilson.
“When he stepped foot on that street, the officer told him to stop again, and he fired three shots,” the witness recalled. “When he (Brown) got hit, he staggered like, ‘Oh,’ and his body moved. Then he looked down.
“His hands were up like this (he gestures with arms out to the side and palms upward), and he was looking at the officer and was coming toward him trying to keep his feet and stand up. The officer took a few steps back and yelled, ‘Stop,’ again, and Michael was trying to stay on his feet.
“He was 20 to 25 feet from officer, and after he started staggering, he (Wilson) let off four more rounds. As he was firing those last rounds, Michael was on his way down. We were thinking, ‘Oh my God, oh my God, brother, stop, stop.’ He was already on his way down when he fired those last shots.”
After going over the entire incident in his head, the witness said he believes that Wilson is guilty of murder.
“It went from zero to 100 like that, in the blink of an eye. … What transpired to us, in my eyesight, was murder. Down outright murder,” he added.
Read the full report here.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/16/new-claims-made-by-grand-jury-witness-who-says-he-saw-shooting-of-michael-brown-in-ferguson-from-start-to-finish/
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So the witness pretty much backs up that the Gentle Giant attacked the cop and was shot as a result, and 'hands up don't shoot' never happened.
but still thinks it was murder.
"The witness, who is reportedly black"
yeah no kidding.
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So the witness pretty much backs up that the Gentle Giant attacked the cop and was shot as a result, and 'hands up don't shoot' never happened.
but still thinks it was murder.
"The witness, who is reportedly black"
yeah no kidding.
His description certainly doesn't sound like murder.
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His description certainly doesn't sound like murder.
He was doing calisthenics at the time of the shooting.
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Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MATT APUZZO and JULIE BOSMAN OCT. 17, 2014
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
WASHINGTON — The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.
The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.
The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.
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The struggle is something we all agree on. I think the issue is...
AFTER the struggle, when Brown had committed his felony and was already due prison time...
AFTER he ran 20 to 25 feet and was told "FREEZE" by the cop who finally got over his ass whooping...
AFTER all that, did the cop execute his ass at 20+ feet? If someone is 20 feet away, EMPTY hands, can a cop blast his ass for not obeying? NORMALLY, no... but in this case, the cop had a busted face and was pissed, hurt, not thinking straight.
it's becoming clear now.
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If someone is 20 feet away, EMPTY hands, can a cop blast his ass for not obeying? NORMALLY, no... but in this case, the cop had a busted face and was pissed, hurt, not thinking straight.
it's becoming clear now.
Yes they can. A person who doesn't comply is still a threat.
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The gentle giant likely didn't need those final shots but he was a big, fat buck and Wilson had no way of knowing how many rounds had hit the target
What caliber was Wilson's sidearm ? 6 rounds of 9mm is about average for police shootings since it doesn't have much stopping power
The only objective facts to come out of this are that "tha community" are liars and anyone who protested for the po Chile is retarded
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Yes they can. A person who doesn't comply is still a threat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
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Yes they can. A person who doesn't comply is still a threat.
eh, but it's some weak ass soup.
if cops start executing people who disobey them, unarmed, at 20 feet away, we no longer live in America, lol.
Imagine cops summarily shooting 700 drunks every night in NYC because they didn't obey an order fast enough.
Imagine cops shooting speeders that don't pull over immediately.
Imagine cops blasting you in the face at 20 feet because your hearing aid doesn't work and he tells you to do something.
No, sorry, I gotta disagree. Cop took a whooping and Brown was headed for prison no matter what.
Him turning around - and standing - that's an execution. Charge cop with murder.
Outside of that, if he's advancing, I'm okay with the cop making a judgment call. And that's because of the prior confrontation - cop know ass whooping #2 is coming. Either way, he's too weak to be a cop, most likely. Don't take his pension if he shot an advanving Brown, but move him to a desk. I don't want him in my town shooting people.
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Also, IMO they're releasing this "blood found on cop car" info because something big is coming on other end.
Maybe ISIS and Ebola ran their course, and CNN is about to drop that interview with 2 witnesses saying it was an execution for an ass-whooping. They want to remind everyone that yes, the kid beat on the cop first.
I'm not upset about the shooting. I think any punk willing to bloody a cop needs a bullet. Cool. To me, it's the timing - you can't wait 15 seconds... let kid walk away, stop him, then shoot him while standing there. Cause 15 seconds can then be 15 hours or 15 days or 15 years. Can't let police execute like that, once heat of moment is over. Brown was running away. Cop could have used radio, it was a police state town, they were everywhere.
he reacted with primal instinct. Hurt the person that just fcked you up. But he was already facing decades in prison for that. He wasn't a threat anymore.
Anyway, the timing seems weird. We already knew and agreed the whooped the cops ass first then ran. Then the shooting happened. This seems like more is on the way?
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Also, IMO they're releasing this "blood found on cop car" info because something big is coming on other end.
Anyway, the timing seems weird. We already knew and agreed the whooped the cops ass first then ran. Then the shooting happened. This seems like more is on the way?
"according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed."
Who is more likely to withhold releasing this information, Holder and the Feds or the police department. As I told you before, Holder and his Brown Skins threw a hissy fit after the video of Brown robbing the liquor store was released. Shortly after the video the release of information slowed to a trickle. Besides, the grand jury deposition happened not long ago. The testimony from the witness and officers Browns testimony came out around the same time and relatively soon after the deposition.
What is most likely to have happened is that the flow of information was intentionally stopped by the Feds in order to further prevent inciting the fools. This was the reason for condemning the video release and the same reasoning used to limit the release of any new information. No conspiracy theory.
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The struggle is something we all agree on. I think the issue is...
AFTER the struggle, when Brown had committed his felony and was already due prison time...
AFTER he ran 20 to 25 feet and was told "FREEZE" by the cop who finally got over his ass whooping...
AFTER all that, did the cop execute his ass at 20+ feet? If someone is 20 feet away, EMPTY hands, can a cop blast his ass for not obeying? NORMALLY, no... but in this case, the cop had a busted face and was pissed, hurt, not thinking straight.
it's becoming clear now.
The clip below is said to be part of the Ferguson Police Department's training materials about when to use your service weapon:
Another clip (not seen here) called "Stop resisting!" concerns the use of non-lethal force.
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More from the New York Times
"The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.
The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.
The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.
This is the first public account of Officer Wilson’s testimony to investigators, but it does not explain why, after he emerged from his vehicle, he fired at Mr. Brown multiple times. It contradicts some witness accounts, and it will not calm those who have been demanding to know why an unarmed man was shot a total of six times.
Mr. Brown’s death continues to fuel anger and sometimes-violent protests.In September, Officer Wilson appeared for four hours before a St. Louis County grand jury, which was convened to determine whether there is probable cause that he committed a crime. Legal experts have said that his decision to testify was surprising, given that it was not required by law. But the struggle in the car may prove to be a more influential piece of information for the grand jury, one that speaks to Officer Wilson’s state of mind, his feeling of vulnerability and his sense of heightened alert when he killed Mr. Brown. Police officers typically have wide latitude to use lethal force if they reasonably believe that they are in imminent danger.
The officials said that while the federal investigation was continuing, the evidence so far did not support civil rights charges against Officer Wilson. To press charges, the Justice Department would need to clear a high bar, proving that Officer Wilson willfully violated Mr. Brown’s civil rights when he shot him.
The account of Officer Wilson’s version of events did not come from the Ferguson Police Department or from officials whose activities are being investigated as part of the civil rights inquiry."
FPD and the FBI are still officially silent and I believe t his lends credence to my opinion on the release of info.
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"according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed."
Who is more likely to withhold releasing this information, Holder and the Feds or the police department. As I told you before, Holder and his Brown Skins threw a hissy fit after the video of Brown robbing the liquor store was released. Shortly after the video the release of information slowed to a trickle. Besides, the grand jury deposition happened not long ago. The testimony from the witness and officers Browns testimony came out around the same time and relatively soon after the deposition.
What is most likely to have happened is that the flow of information was intentionally stopped by the Feds in order to further prevent inciting the fools. This was the reason for condemning the video release and the same reasoning used to limit the release of any new information. No conspiracy theory.
Well, the Ferguson PD have been the ones fueling the conspiracy theory ;)
They've been the ones issuing fake reports about fractured orbital bones, to a thirsty fox news lol.
I don't see any kind of conspiracy theory here. Cop took an ass whooping, period. Kid ran away. Cop regained his bearings, drew gun, said FREEZE or POLICE or whatever. Kid turned and faced cop.
NOW all of that is agreed upon. What is debated now, is, was Brown moving fwd, and how fast, when cop blasted him?
No real conspiracy theory. All of that is agreed upon. We know Brown was 20 to 25 feet away when shot. No gun in hand. Cop made a judgment call. Eventually, the cop will explain it, or he won't, who knows.
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Well, the Ferguson PD have been the ones fueling the conspiracy theory ;)
They've been the ones issuing fake reports about fractured orbital bones, to a thirsty fox news lol.
I don't see any kind of conspiracy theory here. Cop took an ass whooping, period. Kid ran away. Cop regained his bearings, drew gun, said FREEZE or POLICE or whatever. Kid turned and faced cop.
NOW all of that is agreed upon. What is debated now, is, was Brown moving fwd, and how fast, when cop blasted him?
No real conspiracy theory. All of that is agreed upon. We know Brown was 20 to 25 feet away when shot. No gun in hand. Cop made a judgment call. Eventually, the cop will explain it, or he won't, who knows.
20-25 feet is nothing. Wilson already knew the Brown was capable of attacking him. Having a gun or not is totally irrelevant. Brown was willing to attack and therefore was still a threat. I think you uncomplicated the issue by letting your imagination run away from you.
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20-25 feet is nothing. Wilson already knew the Brown was capable of attacking him. Having a gun or not is totally irrelevant. Brown was willing to attack and therefore was still a threat. I think you uncomplicated the issue by letting your imagination run away from you.
Then just tell us that. Have the cop tell us he was scared and fired his gun at 25 feet. That's that.
Dragging this shit out with misinformation, leaked to FOX? not cool.
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Then just tell us that. Have the cop tell us he was scared and fired his gun at 25 feet. That's that.
Dragging this shit out with misinformation, leaked to FOX? not cool.
Releasing information through official channels was probably stopped by the feds.
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Releasing information through official channels was probably stopped by the feds.
but the shit they released wasn't even true!
There was no fractured orbital bone, but they released it anyway.
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but the shit they released wasn't even true!
There was no fractured orbital bone, but they released it anyway.
Who did?
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Who did?
Ann coulter and FOX reported the story a great deal:
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/21/right-wing-media-caught-lie-darren-wilson-suffer-eye-fracture.html
The blogger, who calls himself “The Gateway Pundit,” based his report on two unnamed sources, including one “within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/cnn-source-unequivocally-disputes-report-that-ferguson-officer-suffered-broken-bone/
nnamed source has “unequivocally” knocked down the anonymous report that Officer Darren Wilson suffered broken bones near his eye socket before shooting unarmed teenager Michael Brown.
The deadly shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, provoked international outrage as police in military gear confronted protesters demanding answers from authorities in ongoing – and frequently violent – demonstrations.
Little information about the investigation has been officially released, although at least a dozen sources close to the officer or authorities have refuted witness statements about the incident.
Conservative blogger Jim Hoft – known in some quarters as “the dumbest man on the Internet” – reported Tuesday that the officer suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.”
The blogger, who calls himself “The Gateway Pundit,” based his report on two unnamed sources, including one “within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.”
Hoft’s claims have been widely reported, despite his dubious reputation.
But CNN’s Don Lemon reported Thursday afternoon that he had spoken to another “source close to the investigation” who strongly denied the blogger’s claims.
“The officer, Darren Wilson, did go the hospital after the altercation and the shooting death of Michael Brown,” Lemon reported, based on the source’s claims. “He did have X-rays done, he had a swollen face, but the X-rays for a broken or a torn eye socket came back negative.”
“That source says it is not true at all, he did not have a torn eye socket,” Lemon continued, “and so, he’s saying that unequivocally — he unequivocally denies that, saying that it did not happen, but he did have a swollen face, he did go for X-rays.”
The CNN reporter said there was obviously “some sort of scuffle” that caused facial injuries to the officer, but Wilson did not suffer any tears, ruptures, or fractures to his orbital socket.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
Thank you for posting this. I was surprised to learn this from my cop friends years ago.
"Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds."
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He was doing calisthenics at the time of the shooting.
Probably too tired to raise his arms over his head anyway after robbing a convenience store and pummeling a cop.
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Probably too tired to raise his arms over his head anyway after robbing a convenience store and pummeling a cop.
Just think, all that destruction and stealing for nothing. Just a bunch of thieves looking for an excuse to steal. Now they are resorting to attacking people at sporting events. What a sad bunch.
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Just think, all that destruction and stealing for nothing. Just a bunch of thieves looking for an excuse to steal. Now they are resorting to attacking people at sporting events. What a sad bunch.
Yep. And they have people all over the country giving them cover. Very sad.
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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/20/former-police-chief-speaks-on-latest-michael-brown-information-released
Oh boy - da looting gonna start again
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Yep. And they have people all over the country giving them cover. Very sad.
Facts don't matter. In a fair world, news outlets would be brought up on charges of inciting a riot. If this wasn't an example of yelling fire in a crowded movie theater I don't know what is.
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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/20/former-police-chief-speaks-on-latest-michael-brown-information-released
Oh boy - da looting gonna start again
"Fitch calls the information from the investigation coming out as phase two – to “coordinate leaks to the media, and to start getting some of the facts out there to kind of let people down slowly,” he says. “When I say this is phase two – phase one was really Eric Holder’s announcement how they were going to basically do a complete review and take over the Ferguson Police Department.”
What I've been saying
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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/20/former-police-chief-speaks-on-latest-michael-brown-information-released
Oh boy - da looting gonna start again
I agree with everything he said in the article.
FERGUSON, Mo. (KMOX) – Information about the Michael Brown fatal police shooting is beginning to leak out, and former St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch says it’s no accident the feds are allowing the information.
Fitch discussed a New York Times article indicating, according to federal investigators, there was a struggle that led up to the fatal police shooting of Brown, with KMOX’s Mark Reardon on Monday.
Fitch calls the information from the investigation coming out as phase two – to “coordinate leaks to the media, and to start getting some of the facts out there to kind of let people down slowly,” he says. “When I say this is phase two – phase one was really Eric Holder’s announcement how they were going to basically do a complete review and take over the Ferguson Police Department.”
Fitch says he thinks the feds recognize that it’s “probably very unlikely” that there’s going to be charges against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.
“There was a struggle over the weapon. Law enforcement, we know that about half the officers killed every year with firearms are killed with their own,” he says. “So the fact that he didn’t have his own doesn’t mean there wasn’t a weapon there available that could be used in deadly force use.”
Fitch is a strong proponent of believing physical evidence over eye-witness evidence.
“Physical evidence has no reason to lie. It doesn’t see things differently,” he says, and it is that kind of evidence he thinks could make or break the case.
“If there was a struggle inside that car over a firearm, it sounds to me like Officer Wilson would have been justified in taking the action he did if he pulled the trigger and actually shot Michael Brown in the vehicle area,” Fitch says.
He notes that the other key piece to the investigation is what happened after Wilson and Brown were out of the police vehicle.
“If Michael Brown was truly turned around and basically charging the officer, he already went for round one fighting over his handgun. Are you going to go for round two and take the chance of losing it this time?” Fitch asks. “I think that would be a more logical explanation as to why Officer Wilson would have discharged his firearm at Michael Brown.”
He says police officers are given lawful authority to use force, and according to the law, they are under no obligation to retreat when someone resists arrest. Fitch adds that with that authority comes some gray areas.
Fitch believes the New York Times story is just a preview of what’s to come over the next few weeks.
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Facts don't matter. In a fair world, news outlets would be brought up on charges of inciting a riot. If this wasn't an example of yelling fire in a crowded movie theater I don't know what is.
Agree. The media is full of a bunch of race baiters.
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FERGUSON (CBS St. Louis/AP) — Tensions are rising in Ferguson as new details about the fatal shooting of Michael Brown emerge.
The New York Times reported Friday evening that Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson told authorities that Michael Brown reached for the gun during a scuffle. The officer’s account to authorities did not explain why he fired at Brown multiple times after emerging from his vehicle, according to the newspaper.
The Times reported that the account of Wilson’s version of events came from government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the Aug. 9 shooting that sparked racial unrest and weeks of protests, some of which turned violent. Wilson is white and Brown black.
Following The Times report, two protesters were arrested Monday by the St. Louis County Police, including Missouri State Sen. Jamilah Nasheed, while protesting outside the Ferguson Police Department.
KMOV-TV reports Nasheed had a gun on her at the time of her arrest.
As the fate of Wilson lies in the hand of a grand jury, people are beginning to worry what might happen next.
“Everybody is planning for whatever the grand jury decides,” Amy Hunter, YWCA’s racial justice director, told CNN. “Certainly there are lots of us that are planning peaceful protests should it not be indicted. Certainly there are other people that have other ideas at hand.”
One protester warned to CNN about what would happen if Wilson is set free.
“If there is not an indictment, excuse my French, all hell is going to break loose,” the protester revealed.
Wilson confronted Brown and a friend while they were walking back to Brown’s home from a convenience store on Aug. 9. After the shooting, Brown died at the scene. Some witnesses have told authorities and news media that Brown had his hands raised when Wilson approached with his weapon and fired repeatedly. An independent autopsy commissioned by the family says that Brown was shot at least six times, including twice in the head.
Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Brown’s parents, told The Associated Press on Saturday that the officer’s account of what happened was “self-serving.”
“The officer is going to say whatever he has to say to try to justify killing an unarmed teenager,” Crump said. “And certainly, his statement should not be taken above independent eye witnesses who are completely unbiased when he has every reason to be biased.”
Crump also said that because there were reports that Michael Brown was shot while he ran away, it “doesn’t matter” what happened in the car beforehand.
“He was definitely not in fear of threat when Michael Brown was running away from him,” Crump said.
The Times reported that Wilson has told investigators that he was trying to leave his SUV when Brown pushed him back in and that once inside the vehicle the two began to fight. Wilson told authorities that Brown punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck, the Times reported.
Wilson, who had been patrolling Ferguson for nearly three years, was placed on leave after the shooting. A state grand jury is considering charges against him.
Wilson is being represented by James P. Towey, general counsel for the Missouri Fraternal Order of Police and a former general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association. Towey didn’t immediately respond to an email Saturday seeking comment, and his work phone system wasn’t accepting voicemail.
The Justice Department is investigating the Ferguson Police Department for possible civil rights violations, including whether officers there use excessive force and engage in discriminatory practices. Two-thirds of Ferguson’s 21,000 residents are black but only three of its more than 50 police officers are black.
Brian Schellman, a spokesman for St. Louis County Police, which has taken control of Ferguson security, said in an email that the department doesn’t comment on active investigations.
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http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/State-Senator-arrested-outside-Ferguson-Police-Department-279860142.html
Jesus H Christ. WTF!
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Autopsy, toxicology report on Michael Brown reportedly reveal marijuana ... (and vindicates the cop)
Fox News ^ | October 22, 2014
Posted on 10/22/2014 8:51:01 AM by Zakeet
Complete Headline: Autopsy, toxicology report on Michael Brown reportedly reveal marijuana, cast doubt on witness claims he was running away
Michael Brown, the 18-year-old black man whose fatal shooting by a white police officer in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson in August touched off weeks of racially-charged rioting, had marijuana in his system, was initially shot at close range and does not appear to have been killed while running away, according to experts who reviewed the official autopsy and toxicology report.
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The newspaper had St. Louis medical examiner Dr. Michael Graham, who is not part of the official investigation, review the autopsy report, and he determined that it “does support that there was a significant altercation at the car” including a shot that hit Brown’s right hand. Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco who also reviewed the documents, concurred that the autopsy “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun" and that it did not support claims Brown was shot while running away from Wilson, or with his hands up.
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The shots fired outside of the vehicle hit Brown in the forehead, upper right arm and twice in the chest, Melinek said. The fatal shot to the top of Brown’s head indicates he was falling forward or in a lunging position toward the shooter, she said. The fact that a sixth shot hit his forearm and traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm shows Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said.
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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/10/22/new-information-released-on-michael-brown-case
The racist blacks in Da community are gonna shit when they read this - more of their garbage and bs turns out to be false.
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Autopsy, toxicology report on Michael Brown reportedly reveal marijuana ... (and vindicates the cop)
Fox News ^ | October 22, 2014
Posted on 10/22/2014 8:51:01 AM by Zakeet
Complete Headline: Autopsy, toxicology report on Michael Brown reportedly reveal marijuana, cast doubt on witness claims he was running away
Michael Brown, the 18-year-old black man whose fatal shooting by a white police officer in the St. Louis suburb of Ferguson in August touched off weeks of racially-charged rioting, had marijuana in his system, was initially shot at close range and does not appear to have been killed while running away, according to experts who reviewed the official autopsy and toxicology report.
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The newspaper had St. Louis medical examiner Dr. Michael Graham, who is not part of the official investigation, review the autopsy report, and he determined that it “does support that there was a significant altercation at the car” including a shot that hit Brown’s right hand. Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco who also reviewed the documents, concurred that the autopsy “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun" and that it did not support claims Brown was shot while running away from Wilson, or with his hands up.
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The shots fired outside of the vehicle hit Brown in the forehead, upper right arm and twice in the chest, Melinek said. The fatal shot to the top of Brown’s head indicates he was falling forward or in a lunging position toward the shooter, she said. The fact that a sixth shot hit his forearm and traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm shows Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said.
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Definitely starting to sound like a justified use of deadly force.
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Of course it is, and was. Its only the delusional black racist failures who refuse to acknowledge that oversized FNG thugs will be put down , justifiably so - when they threaten others.
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Probably too much to ask that they stick to looting and burning down each other's homes next time?
I wouldn't object to them home invading any white guilt progressives who joined in the kumbaya but please leave the poor bastards who have to earn a living in your filthy shithole alone , did the media ever reveal what happened to the little Indian man whos "tussle" started this?
I can't think of a bigger cancer in this country than ghetto trash :(
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Probably too much to ask that they stick to looting and burning down each other's homes next time?
I wouldn't object to them hitting any white guilt progressives who joined in the kumbaya but please leave the poor bastards who have to earn a living in your filthy shithole alone
Throwing rocks at Chris Hayes and insulting the Jews live on air was pretty funny. I'm not pro-antisemitism but it was hilarious to see the looks on the faces of the bleeding hearts when their favorite pets said very inappropriate things. I saw another video the other day of protesters where a fine upstanding black youth came up to the news women and launched into a screed against zionist jews.
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Throwing rocks at Chris Hayes and insulting the Jews live on air was pretty funny. I'm not pro-antisemitism but it was hilarious to see the looks on the faces of the bleeding hearts when their favorite pets said very inappropriate things. I saw another video the other day of protesters where a fine upstanding black youth came up to the news women and launched into a screed against zionist jews.
I don't really get that, the Jews have done more than any other group to guilt the rest of America into coddling these degenerates.
Living in a formerly nice little town that is becoming Oakland jnr has not increased my love of these people , I only hope the Mexicans outbreed them and chase them out the way they're doing in LA, they can all move into Ferguson's of their own and indulge in annual riots
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I don't really get that, the Jews have done more than any other group to guilt the rest of America into coddling these degenerates.
Living in a formerly nice little town that is becoming Oakland jnr has not increased my love of these people , I only hope the Mexicans outbreed them and chase them out the way they're doing in LA
They owe the Jews a lot. I posted a study on a thread here a while back that showed that blacks were the most antisemitic group of any race. It is true that Jews were heavily involved in the slave trade but I doubt that is where the animosity comes from. Jealousy perhaps.
Hispanics are going to wiped out blacks. I'm not referring to genocide but in ever metric that measures success Hispanics will pole vault right over blacks. And they won't be taking anybody with them. The coalition of minorities trying to pass Amnesty is tentative and convenient. Blacks who support open borders and amnesty are ushering in their own ruination. The moment Hispanics make up a large enough percentage of the population they will cast off blacks and focus entirely on their interests. Blacks are useful idiots until that day arrives.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/22/report-autopsy-analysis-shows-michael-brown-may-have-gone-for-darren-wilsons-gun
And like that - its over. F you - FNG idiots who tried to pimp this.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/22/report-autopsy-analysis-shows-michael-brown-may-have-gone-for-darren-wilsons-gun
And like that - its over. F you - FNG idiots who tried to pimp this.
I can't shoot someone who doesn't need shooting at close range? Point is... don't be like the other side and jump to a conclusion without waiting to hear and see all the facts gathered during the investigation.
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I can't shoot someone who doesn't need shooting at close range? Point is... don't be like the other side and jump to a conclusion without waiting to hear and see all the facts gathered during the investigation.
I knew from Day 1 this was mostly likely a case of a thug and worthless animal attacking a cop. Didn't take a genius to figure that out
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It's the boy who cried wolf. Eventually you stop paying attention to the boy after he has yelled wolf a thousand times and there is no wolf.
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It's the boy who cried wolf. Eventually you stop paying attention to the boy after he has yelled wolf a thousand times and there is no wolf.
Exactly - I lhave learned to discount 99% of what "the community" claims as utter garbage - just like Trayvon, This, tawan brawly, etc.
F them
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Evidence supports officer’s account of shooting in Ferguson
Washington Post ^ | October 22, 2014 | Kimberly Kindy and Sari Horwitz
Posted on 10/22/2014 4:06:30 PM by ConservingFreedom
Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson and Michael Brown fought for control of the officer’s gun, and Wilson fatally shot the unarmed teenager after he moved toward the officer as they faced off in the street, according to interviews, news accounts and the full report of the St. Louis County autopsy of Brown’s body.
Because Wilson is white and Brown was black, the case has ignited intense debate over how police interact with African American men. But more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilson’s account of events of Aug. 9, according to several people familiar with the investigation who spoke with The Washington Post.
Some of the physical evidence — including blood spatter analysis, shell casings and ballistics tests — also supports Wilson’s account of the shooting, The Post’s sources said, which cast Brown as an aggressor who threatened the officer’s life. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they are prohibited from publicly discussing the case. [...]
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Of course it is, and was. Its only the delusional black racist failures who refuse to acknowledge that oversized FNG thugs will be put down , justifiably so - when they threaten others.
Sums it up perfectly.
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They owe the Jews a lot. I posted a study on a thread here a while back that showed that blacks were the most antisemitic group of any race. It is true that Jews were heavily involved in the slave trade but I doubt that is where the animosity comes from. Jealousy perhaps.
Hispanics are going to wiped out blacks. I'm not referring to genocide but in ever metric that measures success Hispanics will pole vault right over blacks. And they won't be taking anybody with them. The coalition of minorities trying to pass Amnesty is tentative and convenient. Blacks who support open borders and amnesty are ushering in their own ruination. The moment Hispanics make up a large enough percentage of the population they will cast off blacks and focus entirely on their interests. Blacks are useful idiots until that day arrives.
Truth.
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And they are still threatening violence after all the evidence. TA said this in another thread and since then I have described the situation in exactly the same terms. It's pure extortion and blackmail. They are using fear of violence to get something. It's a strange kind of protection racket. Give us something and we won't burn anything down. This has been the strategy since the sixties.
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Im not sure they are even capable, as a group, of rising above such a state of existance.
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And they are still threatening violence after all the evidence. TA said this in another thread and since then I have described the situation in exactly the same terms. It's pure extortion and blackmail. They are using fear of violence to get something. It's a strange kind of protection racket. Give us something and we won't burn anything down. This has been the strategy since the sixties.
They are a bunch of worthless lazy slugs who live a life believing in utter garbage and lies. F em
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And they are still threatening violence after all the evidence. TA said this in another thread and since then I have described the situation in exactly the same terms. It's pure extortion and blackmail. They are using fear of violence to get something. It's a strange kind of protection racket. Give us something and we won't burn anything down. This has been the strategy since the sixties.
I dont get it. beat them down, lock them up. Repeat. I don't get how there are still rioters out there. They should be limping or imprisoned right now. Pass a bill outlawing it, and lock them up daily until there's none left.
All this victimization about "these mean protesters".... police have the law, the guns, the power on their side. lock these hippies up.
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I dont get it. beat them down, lock them up. Repeat. I don't get how there are still rioters out there. They should be limping or imprisoned right now. Pass a bill outlawing it, and lock them up daily until there's none left.
All this victimization about "these mean protesters".... police have the law, the guns, the power on their side. lock these hippies up.
The gist of the protest has been about the militarization of the police force. While I'm pro-arrest and agree with you, the fear from officials might be that any show of police authority might exacerbate the violence. From what I read and Ill have to provide a source link later, is the police are forgiving arrest warrants like its going out of style.
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Michael Brown’s Granny & Mother Brawl in Street Over T-Shirts & Swag
thegatewaypundit.com ^ | 10-23-2014 | Jim Hoft
Posted on 10/23/2014 12:03:01 PM by servo1969
This explains a lot.
Michael Brown’s mother, grandmother and auntie brawled on the corner of Canfield and West Florissant late Saturday over the rights to T-shirt sales.
mike brown tshirts
T-shirts for sale at Michael Brown’s funeral.
The brawl was captured by surveillance cameras.
FOX 2 reported:
In a recent statement, Michael Brown’s mother asked that her son not be part of self-serving business or political actions as she pleaded that he be remembered for the good. A reported assault and theft this past weekend may dramatically underscore that sentiment.
It happened Saturday night, October 18th, at about 8:15 pm in the parking lot of Red’s BBQ. It`s the corner of Canfield and West Florissant, just blocks from where Michael Brown was shot and killed.
Police sources tell us Brown`s Grandmother, Pearlie Gordon, along with Brown`s Cousin Tony Petty, were selling t-shirts and other Michael Brown merchandise.
A police report describes a car pulling up and several people getting out. One of those people, was reported to be Michael Brown`s Mom, Lesley McSpadden. A witness described McSpadden yelling ‘You can`t sell this s%$&” One of the relatives, who was selling, reportedly demanded McSpadden show a document proving she had a patent.
The police report says that`s when an unidentified person with McSpadden assaulted Petty so violently that it resulted in a 911 call. A witness tells Fox 2 that the weapon was a metal pipe or pole. The suspect reportedly struck Petty in the face. Medics then took him to Christian Northeast Hospital. The witness said the assault suspect grabbed merchandise and a box of cash believed to contain about $1,400.
It appears surveillance cameras could have captured the fight and be part of police evidence. Police report no arrests at this time.
Seriously? “Police sources tell us Brown`s Grandmother, Pearlie Gordon, along with Brown`s Cousin Tony Petty,… http://t.co/CPACN6qhNB
— Chris Arps (@carps) October 23, 2014
More… This article was just posted today.
How ironic is this in light of the Saturday night fight?
Michael Brown’s family attorneys said Brown family members in no way advocate or condone any type of violence in their son’s name.
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Michael Brown’s Granny & Mother Brawl in Street Over T-Shirts & Swag
thegatewaypundit.com ^ | 10-23-2014 | Jim Hoft
Posted on 10/23/2014 12:03:01 PM by servo1969
This explains a lot.
Michael Brown’s mother, grandmother and auntie brawled on the corner of Canfield and West Florissant late Saturday over the rights to T-shirt sales.
mike brown tshirts
T-shirts for sale at Michael Brown’s funeral.
The brawl was captured by surveillance cameras.
FOX 2 reported:
In a recent statement, Michael Brown’s mother asked that her son not be part of self-serving business or political actions as she pleaded that he be remembered for the good. A reported assault and theft this past weekend may dramatically underscore that sentiment.
It happened Saturday night, October 18th, at about 8:15 pm in the parking lot of Red’s BBQ. It`s the corner of Canfield and West Florissant, just blocks from where Michael Brown was shot and killed.
Police sources tell us Brown`s Grandmother, Pearlie Gordon, along with Brown`s Cousin Tony Petty, were selling t-shirts and other Michael Brown merchandise.
A police report describes a car pulling up and several people getting out. One of those people, was reported to be Michael Brown`s Mom, Lesley McSpadden. A witness described McSpadden yelling ‘You can`t sell this s%$&” One of the relatives, who was selling, reportedly demanded McSpadden show a document proving she had a patent.
The police report says that`s when an unidentified person with McSpadden assaulted Petty so violently that it resulted in a 911 call. A witness tells Fox 2 that the weapon was a metal pipe or pole. The suspect reportedly struck Petty in the face. Medics then took him to Christian Northeast Hospital. The witness said the assault suspect grabbed merchandise and a box of cash believed to contain about $1,400.
It appears surveillance cameras could have captured the fight and be part of police evidence. Police report no arrests at this time.
Seriously? “Police sources tell us Brown`s Grandmother, Pearlie Gordon, along with Brown`s Cousin Tony Petty,… http://t.co/CPACN6qhNB
— Chris Arps (@carps) October 23, 2014
More… This article was just posted today.
How ironic is this in light of the Saturday night fight?
Michael Brown’s family attorneys said Brown family members in no way advocate or condone any type of violence in their son’s name.
If and I mean IF I were racist I might say the banana doesn't fall far from the tree.
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If and I mean IF I were racist I might say the banana doesn't fall far from the tree.
:)
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Justice Department condemns Ferguson leaks as effort to influence opinion
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 23, 2014 | By MATT PEARCE
Posted on 10/23/2014 1:30:58 PM by Oldeconomybuyer
With a grand jury decision looming on whether a white police officer should face charges in the killing of an unarmed black 18-year-old in Ferguson, Mo., the investigation has sprung a few leaks.
New details from the inquiry into Michael Brown’s Aug. 9 death — all provided by unidentified sources and which seem to support Officer Darren Wilson’s story of what happened that day — have emerged in St. Louis and national news outlets in recent days.
The U.S. Department of Justice condemned the leaks Wednesday as “irresponsible and highly troubling” and said, “There seems to be an inappropriate effort to influence public opinion about this case.”
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Justice Department condemns Ferguson leaks as effort to influence opinion
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 23, 2014 | By MATT PEARCE
Posted on 10/23/2014 1:30:58 PM by Oldeconomybuyer
With a grand jury decision looming on whether a white police officer should face charges in the killing of an unarmed black 18-year-old in Ferguson, Mo., the investigation has sprung a few leaks.
New details from the inquiry into Michael Brown’s Aug. 9 death — all provided by unidentified sources and which seem to support Officer Darren Wilson’s story of what happened that day — have emerged in St. Louis and national news outlets in recent days.
The U.S. Department of Justice condemned the leaks Wednesday as “irresponsible and highly troubling” and said, “There seems to be an inappropriate effort to influence public opinion about this case.”
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Oh the irony
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Missouri Police Preparing For Grand Jury Decision
AP ^ | 10-24-2014 | DAVID A. LIEB and JIM SALTER
Posted on 10/24/2014 8:33:24 AM by blam
By DAVID A. LIEB and JIM SALTER
October 24, 2014
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — Missouri police have been brushing up on constitutional rights and stocking up on riot gear to prepare for a grand jury's decision about whether to charge a white police officer who fatally shot a black 18-year-old in suburban St. Louis.
The preparations are aimed at avoiding a renewed outbreak of violence during the potentially large demonstrations that could follow an announcement of whether Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson will face a criminal trial for the Aug. 9 death of Michael Brown.
Police and protesters have repeatedly clashed since the shooting, which prompted a national conversation about race and police tactics. Images of officers in riot gear and armored vehicles confronting protesters have drawn widespread criticism.
Many protesters want Darren Wilson indicted for murder. Grand jury proceedings are secret, but legal analysts say recently leaked information about Wilson's testimony to investigators may be an attempt to prepare the public for the possibility that he might not be charged.
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Missouri Police Preparing For Grand Jury Decision
AP ^ | 10-24-2014 | DAVID A. LIEB and JIM SALTER
Posted on 10/24/2014 8:33:24 AM by blam
By DAVID A. LIEB and JIM SALTER
October 24, 2014
FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — Missouri police have been brushing up on constitutional rights and stocking up on riot gear to prepare for a grand jury's decision about whether to charge a white police officer who fatally shot a black 18-year-old in suburban St. Louis.
The preparations are aimed at avoiding a renewed outbreak of violence during the potentially large demonstrations that could follow an announcement of whether Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson will face a criminal trial for the Aug. 9 death of Michael Brown.
Police and protesters have repeatedly clashed since the shooting, which prompted a national conversation about race and police tactics. Images of officers in riot gear and armored vehicles confronting protesters have drawn widespread criticism.
Many protesters want Darren Wilson indicted for murder. Grand jury proceedings are secret, but legal analysts say recently leaked information about Wilson's testimony to investigators may be an attempt to prepare the public for the possibility that he might not be charged.
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Here's a practical solution. Guard entry in and out of Ferguson and let them burn it to the ground.
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They might as well call in the National Guard now. :-\
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What exactly were blacks protesting during Hurricane Katrina?
(http://race.iheartsociology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/looters2.jpg)
You mean in addition to a wholely inadequate FEMA response, and what they perceived to be negligence, and a lack of concern for the residents of the 9th ward by the Bush Administration who chose to sing songs, play the guitar and enjoy birthday cake with John McCain while 9 ward residents died from drowning, dehydration, hunger, suicides, lack of sanitary conditions etc., ???
Probably the same thing this white looter was protesting in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy... rising flood waters
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/30/article-2225192-033B9A8A0000044D-366_634x419.jpg)
Or the same thing these white looters were protesting after Hurricane Katrina...
(http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=73280,filename=444077-looters.jpg)
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=73280,filename=444077-looters.jpg (http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?2,file=73280,filename=444077-looters.jpg)
Well, maybe not the same thing. The people in your picture were salvaging clean dry clothing... whereas these guys below were making sure they could still get their drunk on. One has to have their priorities right? ::)
(http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=73426,filename=White_20Trash_20Survival_20Kit-772407.jpg)
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=73426,filename=White_20Trash_20Survival_20Kit-772407.jpg (http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=73426,filename=White_20Trash_20Survival_20Kit-772407.jpg)
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If and I mean IF I were racist I might say the banana doesn't fall far from the tree.
You would also question whether Black people even had souls too.
That's assuming black people have souls.
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Federal Civil Rights Charges Reportedly will NOT be Filed Against Officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson
EURWeb ^ | November 3, 2014 | Judy Kent and EURWeb Staff
Posted on 11/3/2014 11:52:44 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
Conservative Black Activists Comment on Washington Post Report that Federal Civil Rights Charges Will Not Be Filed Against Darren Wilson in Death of Michael Brown.
Washington, DC - Activists with the Project 21 black leadership network say a new Washington Post report that the Eric Holder-led Department of Justice will not charge Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson with federal civil rights charges in the shooting death of Michael Brown is evidence that the time has come for healing.
“Protestors called for the Eric Holder-led Justice Department to investigate this case. It seems to have concluded its investigation. What more is there to protest?” asked Project 21’s Christopher Arps, who lives near Ferguson and attended perhaps the first prayer vigil related to the shooting. “It is now time to begin the healing process.”
Although the Justice Department will not confirm it, a law enforcement official said to have been briefed on the federal investigation told Sari Horwitz and Kimberly Kindy of the Washington Post: “The evidence at this point does not support civil rights charges against Officer Wilson.” Another unnamed source in law enforcement told the Post: “The evidence we have makes federal civil rights charges unlikely.”
“Eric Holder’s ‘Department of Injustice’ has concluded its civil rights investigation into Darren Wilson. Like the phony civil rights case against George Zimmerman, it should never have commenced,” said Project 21 Co-Chairman Horace Cooper, a legal commentator who taught constitutional law at George Mason University and is a former U.S. House of Representatives leadership legal counsel. “A civil rights investigation isn’t a political stunt or a chit to be used whenever convenient. The lives of too many Americans were given in order for its genesis. Shame on Eric Holder for abusing it this way.”
“National civil rights and black street activists raised expectations in the police shooting of black teenager Michael Brown. Nearly pathological in their insistence that Brown was shot in cold blood, despite no real evidence, black leaders and protesters now demand Officer Darren Wilson be arrested, sentenced and convicted for murder. Their rallying cry is ‘hands up, don’t shoot,” alongside “No Justice, No Peace” – a chant made infamous by Al Sharpton,” noted Project 21’s Joe Hicks, a former executive director for the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Southern Christian Leadership Conference. “We now know, from leaked testimony and forensic evidence presented to the grand jury, that the young Mr. Brown was likely not shot in the act of surrendering and that Officer Wilson’s description of events will most likely result in no criminal charges. Then what? Protesters have been led, by a series of race-hustlers, to believe that they ‘deserve’ the justice they insist on and to demand nothing less than a proverbial lynching of Officer Wilson irregardless of the evidence. This sets the stage for more violence in this small suburb of St. Louis.”
Hicks added: “We’ve seen a version of this play itself out before in Florida after the shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman. If the grand jury refuses to hand down an indictment and the Justice Department has no grounds on which to bring charges, Michael Brown – a small-time local thug – will be elevated into the pantheon of civil rights heroes alongside figures such as Rosa Parks and Emmitt Till. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. must be spinning in his grave.”
To successfully bring charges against Officer Wilson, federal prosecutors must prove Wilson used deadly force against Brown because of Brown’s race. Witness reports, Officer Wilson’s reported testimony and forensic reports indicate a struggle in which Brown may have been the aggressor. Testimony that Officer Wilson feared for his life and acted in self-defense also makes it difficult to prove a civil rights claim.
The news about federal civil rights charges comes as the local grand jury is said to be wrapping up its work. Leaked reports predict it will not charge Officer Wilson. Local communities, having already endured months of violence and unrest, are bracing for renewed violence if no charges are filed.
This could be the second time this year that the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division has chosen not to bring charges in a high-profile investigation. In October, reports said the federal agency will not file charges against George Zimmerman in the 2012 death of Trayvon Martin.
Project 21 members have completed over 150 radio and television interviews on the death of Michael Brown and unrest in Ferguson, Missouri in addition to being interviewed or cited by the media over 1,500 other times in 2014 – including TVOne, the Philadelphia Inquirer, Fox News Channel, Westwood One, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, SiriusXM satellite radio, Conservative Commandos and the 50,000-watt radio stations WBZ-Boston, WHO-Des Moines, KDKA-Pittsburgh, KOA-Denver and WJR-Detroit – on issues that include civil rights, entitlement programs, the economy, race preferences, education and corporate social responsibility. Project 21 has participated in cases before the U.S. Supreme Court regarding race preferences and voting rights, defended voter ID laws at the United Nations and provided regular commentary during the Trayvon Martin judicial proceedings in 2013. Its volunteer members come from all walks of life and are not salaried political professionals.
Project 21, a leading voice of black conservatives for over two decades, is sponsored by the National Center for Public Policy Research, a conservative, free-market, non-profit think-tank established in 1982. Contributions to the National Center are tax-deductible and greatly appreciated.
source:
Judy Kent Project 21 jkent@nationalcenter.org
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You would also question whether Black people even had souls too.
I don't believe anyone has a soul. I do however question whether you have a brain. Actually I don't, you clearly don't have a brain.
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Federal Civil Rights Charges Reportedly will NOT be Filed Against Officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson
EURWeb ^ | November 3, 2014 | Judy Kent and EURWeb Staff
Posted on 11/3/2014 11:52:44 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
Conservative Black Activists Comment on Washington Post Report that Federal Civil Rights Charges Will Not Be Filed Against Darren Wilson in Death of Michael Brown.
Washington, DC - Activists with the Project 21 black leadership network say a new Washington Post report that the Eric Holder-led Department of Justice will not charge Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson with federal civil rights charges in the shooting death of Michael Brown is evidence that the time has come for healing.
“Protestors called for the Eric Holder-led Justice Department to investigate this case. It seems to have concluded its investigation. What more is there to protest?” asked Project 21’s Christopher Arps, who lives near Ferguson and attended perhaps the first prayer vigil related to the shooting. “It is now time to begin the healing process.”
Although the Justice Department will not confirm it, a law enforcement official said to have been briefed on the federal investigation told Sari Horwitz and Kimberly Kindy of the Washington Post: “The evidence at this point does not support civil rights charges against Officer Wilson.” Another unnamed source in law enforcement told the Post: “The evidence we have makes federal civil rights charges unlikely.”
“Eric Holder’s ‘Department of Injustice’ has concluded its civil rights investigation into Darren Wilson. Like the phony civil rights case against George Zimmerman, it should never have commenced,” said Project 21 Co-Chairman Horace Cooper, a legal commentator who taught constitutional law at George Mason University and is a former U.S. House of Representatives leadership legal counsel. “A civil rights investigation isn’t a political stunt or a chit to be used whenever convenient. The lives of too many Americans were given in order for its genesis. Shame on Eric Holder for abusing it this way.”
“National civil rights and black street activists raised expectations in the police shooting of black teenager Michael Brown. Nearly pathological in their insistence that Brown was shot in cold blood, despite no real evidence, black leaders and protesters now demand Officer Darren Wilson be arrested, sentenced and convicted for murder. Their rallying cry is ‘hands up, don’t shoot,” alongside “No Justice, No Peace” – a chant made infamous by Al Sharpton,” noted Project 21’s Joe Hicks, a former executive director for the Greater Los Angeles chapter of the Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s Southern Christian Leadership Conference. “We now know, from leaked testimony and forensic evidence presented to the grand jury, that the young Mr. Brown was likely not shot in the act of surrendering and that Officer Wilson’s description of events will most likely result in no criminal charges. Then what? Protesters have been led, by a series of race-hustlers, to believe that they ‘deserve’ the justice they insist on and to demand nothing less than a proverbial lynching of Officer Wilson irregardless of the evidence. This sets the stage for more violence in this small suburb of St. Louis.”
Hicks added: “We’ve seen a version of this play itself out before in Florida after the shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman. If the grand jury refuses to hand down an indictment and the Justice Department has no grounds on which to bring charges, Michael Brown – a small-time local thug – will be elevated into the pantheon of civil rights heroes alongside figures such as Rosa Parks and Emmitt Till. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. must be spinning in his grave.”
To successfully bring charges against Officer Wilson, federal prosecutors must prove Wilson used deadly force against Brown because of Brown’s race. Witness reports, Officer Wilson’s reported testimony and forensic reports indicate a struggle in which Brown may have been the aggressor. Testimony that Officer Wilson feared for his life and acted in self-defense also makes it difficult to prove a civil rights claim.
The news about federal civil rights charges comes as the local grand jury is said to be wrapping up its work. Leaked reports predict it will not charge Officer Wilson. Local communities, having already endured months of violence and unrest, are bracing for renewed violence if no charges are filed.
This could be the second time this year that the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division has chosen not to bring charges in a high-profile investigation. In October, reports said the federal agency will not file charges against George Zimmerman in the 2012 death of Trayvon Martin.
Project 21 members have completed over 150 radio and television interviews on the death of Michael Brown and unrest in Ferguson, Missouri in addition to being interviewed or cited by the media over 1,500 other times in 2014 – including TVOne, the Philadelphia Inquirer, Fox News Channel, Westwood One, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, SiriusXM satellite radio, Conservative Commandos and the 50,000-watt radio stations WBZ-Boston, WHO-Des Moines, KDKA-Pittsburgh, KOA-Denver and WJR-Detroit – on issues that include civil rights, entitlement programs, the economy, race preferences, education and corporate social responsibility. Project 21 has participated in cases before the U.S. Supreme Court regarding race preferences and voting rights, defended voter ID laws at the United Nations and provided regular commentary during the Trayvon Martin judicial proceedings in 2013. Its volunteer members come from all walks of life and are not salaried political professionals.
Project 21, a leading voice of black conservatives for over two decades, is sponsored by the National Center for Public Policy Research, a conservative, free-market, non-profit think-tank established in 1982. Contributions to the National Center are tax-deductible and greatly appreciated.
source:
Judy Kent Project 21 jkent@nationalcenter.org
Riots to follow.
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M Brown's mother accused in armed robbery of Ferguson vendors selling t-shirts
Mail Online ^ | 11/6/2014
Posted on November 7, 2014 4:24:23 AM EST by Altura Ct.
Michael Brown's mother has been named as one of the 'attackers' who assaulted and robbed vendors selling t-shirts commemorating the youngster's death.
A report from Ferguson police identified Lesley McSpadden, 34, as one of a group of up to 30 people that ran into the tent and ransacked the stall in the Missouri city on Saturday October 18.
Pearlie Gordon, 54, Brown's mother-in-law, and two men were selling 'Justice for Mike Brown' merchandise when the subjects 'jumped out of vehicles and rushed them' during what police are classifying as an armed robbery.
According to the document obtained by the Smoking Gun, Gordon told police that McSpadden approached her and said, 'You can't sell this s****.'
In response, Gordon reiterated that she was Michael's mother-in-law and said that unless McSpadden had a patent with her son's name on it, she would continue to sell the merchandise.
Then McSpadden's mother, Desureia Harris, began to rip down t-shirts hanging on a line, Gordon told officers.
While doing it she said: 'You don't know my grandson like that.'
Then other members of the group joined in and also began 'tearing her booth apart.'
Gordon told the authorities that she was repeatedly struck in the head and knocked to the ground.
More than $1500 in merchandise and $400 in cash 'was stolen by unknown subjects' who managed to escape before police arrived.
A witness who saw the alleged assault while waiting at a red signal said that she saw subjects 'punching' the t-shirt vendors.
The investigation into the incident - which has been classed as an armed robbery - is ongoing.
Two days ago it was announced that McSpadden and the slain youngster's father Michael Brown Senior would be speaking at a human rights conference in Switzerland.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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M Brown's mother accused in armed robbery of Ferguson vendors selling t-shirts
Mail Online ^ | 11/6/2014
Posted on November 7, 2014 4:24:23 AM EST by Altura Ct.
Michael Brown's mother has been named as one of the 'attackers' who assaulted and robbed vendors selling t-shirts commemorating the youngster's death.
A report from Ferguson police identified Lesley McSpadden, 34, as one of a group of up to 30 people that ran into the tent and ransacked the stall in the Missouri city on Saturday October 18.
Pearlie Gordon, 54, Brown's mother-in-law, and two men were selling 'Justice for Mike Brown' merchandise when the subjects 'jumped out of vehicles and rushed them' during what police are classifying as an armed robbery.
According to the document obtained by the Smoking Gun, Gordon told police that McSpadden approached her and said, 'You can't sell this s****.'
In response, Gordon reiterated that she was Michael's mother-in-law and said that unless McSpadden had a patent with her son's name on it, she would continue to sell the merchandise.
Then McSpadden's mother, Desureia Harris, began to rip down t-shirts hanging on a line, Gordon told officers.
While doing it she said: 'You don't know my grandson like that.'
Then other members of the group joined in and also began 'tearing her booth apart.'
Gordon told the authorities that she was repeatedly struck in the head and knocked to the ground.
More than $1500 in merchandise and $400 in cash 'was stolen by unknown subjects' who managed to escape before police arrived.
A witness who saw the alleged assault while waiting at a red signal said that she saw subjects 'punching' the t-shirt vendors.
The investigation into the incident - which has been classed as an armed robbery - is ongoing.
Two days ago it was announced that McSpadden and the slain youngster's father Michael Brown Senior would be speaking at a human rights conference in Switzerland.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
Armed robbery?
I thought she was about to give a speech before The United Nations?? ???
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Armed robbery?
I thought she was about to give a speech before The United Nations?? ???
She needed some new outfits to wear in NY, so.....
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In the end..I think Mike Brown will be a less profitable cause than Trayvon Martin...but there's still some money to be made there.
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Sounds like they are anticipating no charges.
St. Louis city, county officials urge calm ahead of Ferguson grand jury announcement
Published November 12, 2014
Associated Press
CLAYTON, Mo. – Top St. Louis city and county officials are urging residents to remain calm once a grand jury decision in the Michael Brown case is announced.
St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley and St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said at a joint news conference Wednesday that while protesters' civil rights will be respected, looting and violence will not be tolerated. They say they're ready for whatever happens.
Dooley says much progress in regional race relations has been made in the three months since Brown, who was black, was shot by Ferguson police Officer Darren Wilson, who is white.
The grand jury weighing whether to charge Wilson is expected to make a decision this month, raising concerns that protests could turn violent as they sometimes did in the days after the Aug. 9 shooting.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/12/st-louis-city-county-officials-urge-calm-ahead-ferguson-grand-jury-announcement/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fnational+%28Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text%29
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Michael Brown's Parents Plan News Conference To Discuss New Autopsy Details
AP | By ALAN SCHER ZAGIER
11/13/2014
CLAYTON, Mo. (AP) — Attorneys for the family of Michael Brown are urging restraint by both protesters and police once a grand jury decides whether the suburban St. Louis officer who shot him should face charges.
Attorneys Anthony Gray and Benjamin Crump held a press conference Thursday outside the St. Louis County Justice Center, where the grand jury is meeting and Dr. Michael Baden, who performed a private autopsy on the family's behalf, was scheduled to testify. Brown's parents, who were in Geneva this week as the U.N. Committee Against Torture heard testimony about U.S. policies, did not attend.
Their attorneys echoed Gov. Jay Nixon's call for protesters to avoid rioting, looting and violence, but faulted him for not also calling on police to exercise restraint.
Police were widely criticized for using armored vehicles and tear gas to respond to mostly peaceful but occasionally violent protests in the days after Ferguson Officer Darren Wilson shot Brown, who was 18 and unarmed, after telling him and a friend to stop walking in the street.
Wilson told investigators he felt threatened while fighting with Brown from inside a police SUV, where an initial shot was fired, according to information provided to news outlets by people described as familiar with the investigation, but not otherwise identified.
Those same accounts said Wilson told investigators that after Brown fled the vehicle, he turned around in a threatening manner, prompting Wilson to fire the fatal shots. But some witnesses said Brown had his hands up.
Crump said attorneys would not talk about Baden's testimony, except to say he had identified one additional entry wound in Brown's chest after seeing results of an autopsy by the St. Louis County medical examiner. Crump did not elaborate on what that might mean.
Baden had earlier said Brown was shot at least six times, while the county autopsy determined he was shot six to eight times. A third autopsy conducted for the U.S. Department of Justice has not been released.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/13/michael-brown-autopsy_n_6151822.html
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President Obama fears potential Ferguson fallout
Politico ^ | November 13, 2014 | Jennifer Epstein
Posted on 11/13/2014 3:04:33 PM by C19fan
President Barack Obama has privately conveyed “real heart-driven concern” about the prospect of another round of violence in Ferguson, Missouri, in the coming days. Accordingly, he has directed federal agencies to do all they can to lay the groundwork to help authorities in Missouri, especially if there is unrest. But the administration has limited power and has faced some resistance from state and local officials, highlighting the limits of Obama’s role even as he’s likely to face criticism should tensions flare.
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President Obama fears potential Ferguson fallout
Politico ^ | November 13, 2014 | Jennifer Epstein
Posted on 11/13/2014 3:04:33 PM by C19fan
President Barack Obama has privately conveyed “real heart-driven concern” about the prospect of another round of violence in Ferguson, Missouri, in the coming days. Accordingly, he has directed federal agencies to do all they can to lay the groundwork to help authorities in Missouri, especially if there is unrest. But the administration has limited power and has faced some resistance from state and local officials, highlighting the limits of Obama’s role even as he’s likely to face criticism should tensions flare.
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All Obama has to do is stop the race-baiting and tell the fools to stand down. They have no legitimate reason to riot. Any violence or destruction of property is the fault of the people rioting.
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Michael Brown Shooting: Darren Wilson Radio Call Segment Missing
A call for backup that a police officer claims to have made seconds before he killed Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, reportedly cannot be found in police recordings. The officer blames the problem on his radio.
Darren Wilson has told investigators he radioed “shots fired, send all cars” after a struggle at his SUV with Brown, an unarmed 18-year-old, following the officer’s stop of Brown and a friend for jaywalking in Ferguson on 9 August, according to the St Louis Post-Dispatch.
Yet a set of recordings released to the newspaper by police did not include the call. Wilson is reported to have stated that “during the struggle his radio had been jarred and the channel changed”, meaning it was not broadcast to his fellow officers in the St Louis suburb.
“At least one channel on the Ferguson police radio is ‘receive-only,’ meaning that the call may not have been broadcast,” the newspaper said in its report on Friday evening. Wilson shot Brown repeatedly soon after allegedly making the request for assistance.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/special/darren-wilson-s-radio-calls-show-fatal-encounter-was-brief/html_79c17aed-0dbe-514d-ba32-bad908056790.html
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/345-justice/26987-michael-brown-shooting-darren-wilson-radio-call-segment-missing
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Obama Met With Ferguson Activists – Said He’s Concerned They “Stay on Course”
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, November 16, 2014, 7:38 PM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/obama-meets-with-ferguson-activists-says-hes-concerned-they-stay-on-course
President Obama met with Ferguson protest leaders on November 5th, the day after the midterm elections. The meeting was not on his daily schedule. He was concerned that the protesters “stay on course.”
What does that mean?
And why is the president meeting with the violent Mike Brown protesters before a verdict is reached in the court case?
ferguson market looting
The Ferguson protesters have looted over 100 businesses in the St. Louis area.
The New York Times hid this in the 21st paragraph of their report:
But leaders here say that is the nature of a movement that has taken place, in part, on social media and that does not match an earlier-era protest structure where a single, outspoken leader might have led the way. “This is not your momma’s civil rights movement,” said Ashley Yates, a leader of Millennial Activists United. “This is a movement where you have several difference voices, different people. The person in charge is really — the people. But the message from everyone is the same: Stop killing us.”
At times, there has been a split between national civil rights leaders and the younger leaders on the ground here, who see their efforts as more immediate, less passive than an older generation’s. But some here said relations have improved in recent weeks.
Some of the national leaders met with President Obama on Nov. 5 for a gathering that included a conversation about Ferguson.
According to the Rev. Al Sharpton, who has appeared frequently in St. Louis with the Brown family and delivered a speech at Mr. Brown’s funeral, Mr. Obama “was concerned about Ferguson staying on course in terms of pursuing what it was that he knew we were advocating. He said he hopes that we’re doing all we can to keep peace.”
Obama wants the protesters to stay on course?
Unbelievable.
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Obama Met With Ferguson Activists – So that people will talk about Ferguson, Gruber, Ebola, and ANYTHING but amnesty
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Obama Met With Ferguson Activists – Said He’s Concerned They “Stay on Course”
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, November 16, 2014, 7:38 PM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/obama-meets-with-ferguson-activists-says-hes-concerned-they-stay-on-course
President Obama met with Ferguson protest leaders on November 5th, the day after the midterm elections. The meeting was not on his daily schedule. He was concerned that the protesters “stay on course.”
What does that mean?
And why is the president meeting with the violent Mike Brown protesters before a verdict is reached in the court case?
ferguson market looting
The Ferguson protesters have looted over 100 businesses in the St. Louis area.
The New York Times hid this in the 21st paragraph of their report:
But leaders here say that is the nature of a movement that has taken place, in part, on social media and that does not match an earlier-era protest structure where a single, outspoken leader might have led the way. “This is not your momma’s civil rights movement,” said Ashley Yates, a leader of Millennial Activists United. “This is a movement where you have several difference voices, different people. The person in charge is really — the people. But the message from everyone is the same: Stop killing us.”
At times, there has been a split between national civil rights leaders and the younger leaders on the ground here, who see their efforts as more immediate, less passive than an older generation’s. But some here said relations have improved in recent weeks.
Some of the national leaders met with President Obama on Nov. 5 for a gathering that included a conversation about Ferguson.
According to the Rev. Al Sharpton, who has appeared frequently in St. Louis with the Brown family and delivered a speech at Mr. Brown’s funeral, Mr. Obama “was concerned about Ferguson staying on course in terms of pursuing what it was that he knew we were advocating. He said he hopes that we’re doing all we can to keep peace.”
Obama wants the protesters to stay on course?
Unbelievable.
Is this legit? If so, he has no business inserting himself in a local matter with a sitting grand jury. What is wrong with that dude??
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Mike Brown shooting radio calls reveal less than 90-second encounter
Published November 15, 2014
FoxNews.com
Police radio calls obtained by the St. Louis Post Dispatch show the deadly police shooting in Ferguson, Mo., occurred within a brief time span of less than 90 seconds.
The Aug. 9 shooting of Michael Brown, 18, sparked nationwide protests, calls for revamped police procedures and a grand jury investigation that is reportedly close to a decision on the fate of Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson.
The newspaper said the radio dispatch recordings it obtained under Missouri's open records law show Wilson encountered Brown and another man at 12:02 p.m. "Put me on Canfield (Drive) with two. And send me another car," he tells the dispatcher. Before the encounter a dispatcher had put out a call for a "stealing in progress" at the Ferguson market with descriptions of the two suspects. The paper said that the description of one of the suspects in the Ferguson market theft match Brown's.
The paper said that based on its calculations Brown was killed less than 61 seconds after the dispatcher acknowledged Wilson's call.
The paper also said that 84 seconds after the call there was a radio transmission that was only a burst of static and an unintelligible utterance. A dispatcher responded, "10-4" on Canfield.
At 12:07, five minutes after Wilson's call to the dispatcher, an officer said on the radio, "Get us several more units over here. There's gonna be a problem." In the background during the officer's call woman can be heard wailing.
The newspaper also said that the response to its record request included video surveillance of Wilson, who has avoided the public's eye since the shooting, leaving for the hospital two hours after the shooting with his union lawyer and other officers.
Wilson returned to the station about two and one-half hours later.
The paper said that the description of one of the suspects in the Ferguson market theft match Brown’s. The teen allegedly attacked Wilson prompting the officer to fire upon Brown.
After calling for backup, Wilson reportedly continued his search on foot, but claimed Brown charged at him prompting more gun fire.
Dallas-area teacher fired after posting racially charged tweets about killing of Michael Brown
Witness accounts vary.
The family of Michael Brown released a statement Saturday that called the leaking of the audio tapes an attempt to 'vilify the victim' by the Ferguson Police Dept.
"Furthermore, the audio clearly demonstrates that the initial interaction with the officer and Brown had nothing to do with the incident at the convenience store," the statement said
Dorian Johnson, Brown's friend who was with him at the time, claims Wilson grabbed Brown by the throat and attempted to put him in the SUV Wilson was driving. He also has said the fatal shot came when Brown's hands were up.
The grand jury could come up with a decision any day.
Protesters in Missouri are reportedly planning to shut down Clayton, Mo. after the verdict.
The protesters want to financially hurt Clayton, a city of roughly 15,000 residents that borders St. Louis, where organizers met late Thursday to hopefully attract hundreds if not thousands of people to show up on the first workday after the grand jury reaches a decision, KTVI reports.
The protesters will meet in public spaces and may spread out in small groups, possibly to take part in civil disobedience like shutting down roads.
"We want people to know these meeting are about non-violence direct action," said Michael McPherson, co-chair of the Don't Shoot Coalition. "Some of it will be people talking to people, expressing themselves. There's nothing we’re doing to try to create violence. We don't want to diminish tension without there being change."
Attorney General Eric Holder said Justice Department officials have been working with local officials to make sure the law enforcement response to any protests is appropriate.
"Certainly we want to ensure that people who have First Amendment rights have the ability to protest as they deem appropriate while at the same time making sure that we protect people in law enforcement and that we minimize the chances that any legitimate protest devolves into violence," he said.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/15/mike-brown-shooting-radio-calls-reveal-less-than-0-second-encounter/?intcmp=latestnews
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At least he didn't call for a "vigorous prosecution" of the cop this time. ::)
Nixon Activates Missouri National Guard
November 17, 2014
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. – Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon released the following news release:
“Gov. Jay Nixon today signed an executive order activating the Missouri National Guard to support law enforcement during any period of unrest that might occur following the grand jury’s decision concerning the investigation into the death of Michael Brown. The Governor said the Guard will provide support for law enforcement’s objectives of maintaining safety and protecting constitutional rights.
“As part of our ongoing efforts to plan and be prepared for any contingency, it is necessary to have these resources in place in advance of any announcement of the grand jury’s decision,” Gov. Nixon said. “These additional resources will support law enforcement’s efforts to maintain peace and protect those exercising their right to free speech. The National Guard is well-suited to provide security at command posts, fire stations and other locations as well as perform other functions that will free up law enforcement officers to remain focused on community policing and protecting constitutional rights.”
Gov. Nixon’s executive order also establishes that the Missouri State Highway Patrol, St. Louis County Police Department and St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department will operate as a unified command to keep members of the public safe and protect property, while allowing citizens to exercise their constitutional rights. Under the executive order, the St. Louis County Police Department will have command and operational control over security in the City of Ferguson in areas of protests and acts of civil disobedience, should such activities occur.
“All people in the St. Louis region deserve to feel safe in their communities and to make their voices heard without fear of violence or intimidation,” said Gov. Nixon. “Public safety demands that we are fully prepared for any contingency, regardless of what the St. Louis County grand jury or the U.S. Department of Justice decides.”
The St. Louis County prosecutor has said publicly that an announcement of the grand jury’s decision will be made later this month. The United States Department of Justice, which is conducting both civil and criminal investigations of the death of Michael Brown, has not announced when its investigations will be concluded.
“Our department, like other police departments in the region, has a full time job keeping our neighborhoods safe. We are used to working with other agencies in times of necessity,” said St. Louis Metropolitan Police Chief Sam Dotson. “Having the support of the National Guard available will enable local officers to continue to respond promptly to calls for service.”
“We have taken tremendous strides over the past three months, as our officers have undergone thousands of hours of additional training and reached out to build strong relationships across the community,” said St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar. “These additional resources will enhance our ability to achieve our key responsibilities: keeping the public safe, protecting property and enabling people to exercise their constitutional rights.”
Requests from local law enforcement for duties to be performed by the Guard will be handled through the Missouri State Highway Patrol.
“These past three months have been challenging for our community but we have come together in many measurable ways,” said Captain Ron Johnson, commander of Missouri State Highway Patrol Troop C. “The power of communication within the community has allowed us to take steps toward peaceful change that demonstrate the true character of North County. The availability of the National Guard will ensure that law enforcement has the resources to protect three things vital to our community: public safety, property and the constitutional rights of all.”
The Missouri National Guard has been deployed a total of 32 times since 2001 to assist local communities with emergency preparedness and response, from shoring up levees during floods to providing security following the Joplin tornado. The Guard will be commanded by Brigadier General Gregory Mason, a retired 30-year veteran of the Missouri State Highway Patrol.
St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay is holding a press conference at any moment to address the State of Emergency.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/17/nixon-activates-missouri-national-guard/
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its odd they are going through all this and the decision hasnt come out yet, i think they know its going to be a no charges decision.
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its odd they are going through all this and the decision hasnt come out yet, i think they know its going to be a no charges decision.
Fools are chomping at the bit to get rampaging. What a waste of time. Youd think with all those organizations mobilizing a knigga could get a ride to pick up a photo ID
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Fools are chomping at the bit to get rampaging. What a waste of time. Youd think with all those organizations mobilizing a knigga could get a ride to pick up a photo ID
HAHAHHA nahhh mang that shit be hella tough yo
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Fools are chomping at the bit to get rampaging. What a waste of time. Youd think with all those organizations mobilizing a knigga could get a ride to pick up a photo ID
They need to hold off on the announcement until it gets about 8 degrees outside.
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They need to hold off on the announcement until it gets about 8 degrees outside.
Cold and early in the morning is the right moment to render the verdict. Announcing the verdict when the EBT is recharged would also help keep the rioting down. Like they say, never go grocery shopping hungry. A man with a full belly of fried chicken and purple drank is less likely to rampage.
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/ferguson-protest-leader-has-car-stolen-during-the-fck-the-police-rally
ha ha ha ha ha FNG animaLS
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/ferguson-protest-leader-has-car-stolen-during-the-fck-the-police-rally
oh crap, that's funny!
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/ferguson-protest-leader-has-car-stolen-during-the-fck-the-police-rally
ha ha ha ha ha FNG animaLS
;D
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/ferguson-protest-leader-has-car-stolen-during-the-fck-the-police-rally
ha ha ha ha ha FNG animaLS
Doh! lol
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/ferguson-protest-leader-has-car-stolen-during-the-fck-the-police-rally
ha ha ha ha ha FNG animaLS
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/ferguson-protest-leader-has-car-stolen-during-the-fck-the-police-rally
ha ha ha ha ha FNG animaLS
It was obviously stolen by a white Tea Party supporter.
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Weighing the Evidence in the Shooting Death of Michael Brown
ABC News By MEGHAN KENEALLY
November 17, 2014
The town of Ferguson, Missouri, is braced for a grand jury decision on the Aug. 9 shooting in which unarmed teenager Michael Brown was shot and killed by police officer Darren Wilson.
The shooting led to weeks of protests that at times turned violent, and authorities fear a resumption of the angry protest when the jury's verdict is released.
Here is what you need to know about how the grand jury works and what they are considering:
What is the grand jury being asked to decide about?
"A grand jury is just asked two questions: is there probable cause to believe a crime was committed? Is there some evidence, according to the 'more likely than not' standard, that the person accused was involved with the crime?" civil rights attorney and adjunct Washington University St. Louis law professor Bob Herman told ABC News.
The grand jury's ruling will determine whether Wilson is charged with a crime and faces a trial. The charge could range from manslaughter to murder, he said. The jury could also decide that no criminal act was committed by Wilson.
The U.S. Attorney General's office is also investigating the incident and they could determine if the officer violated Brown's civil rights.
What evidence are they considering?
Most grand juries hear from just a few witnesses, including individuals with authority in the specific case, but not everyone involved. That is not the case in this grand jury. State prosecutor Robert McCulloch has said that he was planning on presenting "absolutely everything" to the jury.
"If it was a homicide case, the lead investigator may come in and tell what evidence exists. They may talk about the medical examiner’s report, maybe the grand jury will have a copy of it, but this [Michael Brown grand jury] is an unusual event because he [McCulloch] has called every witness and present every piece of evidence that exists,” civil rights attorney Steve Ryals told ABC News.
"I think in part because he wants to be able to say 'Look, you've accused me of being biased.' There is a concern that the grand jury will do whatever the prosecutor will tell the grand jury to do... He now can say ‘Look, I didn’t hold anything back. I presented everything. They [the jurors] had an option to ask for more if they wanted," Ryals said.
Do we know any of the witnesses that were asked to testify?
Officially, the list of witnesses is kept sealed, but through leaks, some of the witnesses have been reported. One whose testimony was widely publicized was the Brown family’s forensics expert, former New York City Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Baden.
Another controversial witness was the officer, Darren Wilson. Ryals said the fact that the man at the center of the case was called in was "in and of itself unusual."
Ryals said that if the prosecutor kept his promise to include everything, Ryals suspects that the jury received testimony from “all of the witnesses at the scene, they would have heard from the police investigators. Aside from the witnesses, there would be a whole body of information around the forensic investigation -- where the shell casings landed, the blood spatter, that kind of thing,” Ryals said.
Is there one central conflict between the two sides of the case?
The most crucial disagreement was claims by bystanders that Brown had his hands up when the final shots were fired, while the officer and the police department claims the cop feared for his life as Brown kept advancing.
The police union and the Ferguson Police Department said that Wilson initially stopped Brown and a friend and told them to stop walking in the street and blocking traffic. It is not clear whether Wilson at some point became aware that Brown matched the description of a suspect in the theft of cigars from a nearby convenience store.
Police said that Wilson was assaulted by Brown while the officer was still sitting in his car. They claimed there was a struggle over the officer’s gun and that Wilson fired at least one shot inside the patrol car.
Brown ran off and the officer exited the patrol car. Dorian Johnson, who was with Brown at the time of the shooting, said the teenager did not attempt to grab the cops gun and that Brown ran from the officer.
What did the autopsies tell about the shooting?
Two autopsies have been conducted on Brown’s body, one by the St. Louis County coroner and one by Dr. Michael Baden at the request of Brown’s family. The U.S. Department of Justice has also ordered an autopsy.
Baden’s autopsy concluded that Brown was shot at least six times and that the final bullet struck Brown in the top of the head.
The county autopsy, according to the St. Louis Post Dispatch which obtained a copy of the document, suggested that Brown was shot in the hand at such a close range that there may have been gun powder burns, which could support Wilson’s description of a struggle over his gun.
Experts have said that the autopsy and forensic report are unlikely to be able to determine whether Brown’s hands were raised when he was shot.
Did Darren Wilson suffer any injuries during the incident?
Police have said Wilson was taken to the hospital with a serious facial injury. Hospital and police records show that Wilson was taken to the hospital. A video of Wilson taken the night of the shooting show no obvious facial injuries.
Who is on the grand jury?
The 12-person jury is made up of a group of St. Louis residents who would have been selected from the normal subset of people who turned up for jury duty. The make up of the jury is officially kept secret.
The decision to charge Wilson with a crime does not need to be unanimous, Ryals said, noting that only nine jurors are needed to come to a conclusion.
What has their life been like since joining the grand jury?
Unlike certain criminal trials, the grand jury has not been sequestered, meaning that they have inevitably been exposed to the coverage and debate over the case. Part of the reason for the lack of sequestration is the fact that the grand jury reportedly only meets about once a week, usually on Wednesdays.
http://news.yahoo.com/weighing-evidence-shooting-death-michael-brown-174900668--abc-news-topstories.html;_ylt=A0SO8yksyWtUnLIAFo9XNyoA
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This is nuts. Going to be a whole of wailing and gnashing of teeth of cop isn't indicted.
Lawyers descend on Ferguson ahead of grand jury decision
BY TIM REID
FERGUSON Mo Fri Nov 21, 2014
(Reuters) - Hundreds of civil rights lawyers from across America are descending on Ferguson, Missouri as police and protesters prepare for a grand jury decision on whether to charge the officer who killed an unarmed black teenager in August.
The attorneys are arriving in Ferguson as talks between protest groups and police have stalled over a refusal by officials to rule out the use of riot gear, tear gas and militarized equipment if demonstrations turn violent should a grand jury decide not to indict police officer Darren Wilson, protest leaders say.
Wilson, who is white, shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown in a Ferguson street on August 9. The death sparked weeks of sometimes violent protests, and hundreds of arrests. The grand jury decision on whether to indict Wilson is imminent and police fear another wave of violence if he is not charged. Tensions in Ferguson and the St. Louis area are running high.
The lawyers, some from as far afield as New York and California, have responded to calls from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and protest groups in Ferguson to monitor police behavior in the wake of the grand jury decision. They will also take an aggressive legal posture, the attorneys said, filing quick fire lawsuits to fight potentially shoddy jail conditions, onerous bail bonds and civil rights abuses.
"We will be using the sword as well as the shield," said Justin Hansford, a St. Louis University law professor who is part of the legal team. "We have lawyers from Washington, New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. They won't just be observing. They will be filing lawsuits."
Prominent civil rights lawyer Vince Warren, executive director of the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) has been in Ferguson since Monday. Nicole Lee, an international human rights lawyer from Washington, arrived on Wednesday.
Warren said 280 lawyers and law students had answered emails and have volunteered to travel to Ferguson. The lawyers are taking instructions from the CCR, the National Lawyers Guild, the Missouri Chapter of the ACLU and the NAACP Legal defense Fund.
"We are in a crisis situation and we are here to ensure police let people voice their anger and frustration and don't crack down on protesters as hooligans," Warren said.
Diane Balogh, of the Missouri ACLU, said the organization had held a dozen training sessions with 100 legal observers in recent weeks. The ACLU is providing them with a mobile phone app allowing them to upload video of police behavior to a secure central database. Ferguson police have been wearing video devices since September.
Protest leaders have held meetings, and conference calls, with John Belmar, the St. Louis County Police chief, Captain Ron Johnson of the Missouri State Highway Patrol, and St. Louis City police chief Sam Dotson since mid-October, protest leaders and police say.
The focus of the talks has been on 19 "rules of engagement" proposed by the Don't Shoot Coalition, an umbrella group of 50 community and protest groups. The police have agreed to about a dozen of the rules, but have stayed silent on the use of tear gas and riot gear.
"The area we are most concerned about is the militarized response, and we are still waiting to hear on that," said Denise Lieberman, a lawyer and co-chair of the Don't Shoot Coalition.
Tory Russell, a founder of the protest group Hands Up United, said he had only been asked to one meeting with police officials, in late October, which he attended.
"All they wanted to know was where we are going to be after the grand jury decision," Russell said. "They didn't tell us where they were going to be. It was just a dig for information. We don't trust them at all."
The St. Louis County Police, city police, and the Missouri Highway Patrol, did not respond to requests for comment.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/21/us-usa-missouri-shooting-idUSKCN0J51P420141121
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I figured this was coming. No way he could safely continue working in that town.
Ferguson officer Darren Wilson in talks to resign; grand jury decision nears
By Evan Perez and Shimon Prokupecz, CNN
Fri November 21, 2014
Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- As a grand jury gets closer to deciding whether or not to indict Officer Darren Wilson, the man who fatally shot Michael Brown is in the final stages of negotiations with Ferguson city officials to resign, sources close to the talks said.
The grand jury was in session Friday, as it has been for weeks. A decision on whether to formally charge Wilson in Brown's death could come the same day, law enforcement officials have said.
Wilson has maintained he's done nothing wrong, and the resignation talks have hinged on whether he is indicted, the sources said.
While Wilson has told associates he would resign to help ease pressure and protect his fellow officers, he has expressed concern about resigning while the grand jury was still hearing evidence for fear it would appear he was admitting fault.
Officer Wilson negotiates resignation Attorney Gen. announces new guidelines Ferguson chief: 'I can see this through' Police families fear for their safety
The Ferguson officer could announce his plans to resign as soon as Friday, the same day a St. Louis County grand jury meets to deliberate and possibly decide on an indictment.
What charges could Officer Wilson face?
The talks could still collapse, the sources close to the talks said. Wilson doesn't know what the grand jury will do and, if they opt to charge him, he could change his mind.
Wilson, who has six years on the force with no disciplinary issues on his record, is currently on paid administrative leave. If he returns to duty, he will have to undergo two psychological evaluations, authorities have said.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/21/us/ferguson-grand-jury-ruling/index.html
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Typical - mob justice rules the day
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Wilson deserves a huge pay out. Holder and the media ruined his life and career.
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Ferguson Officer Who Shot Michael Brown Marries
Monday, 24 Nov 2014
The police officer who fatally shot an unarmed 18-year-old in Ferguson, Missouri, setting off weeks of ongoing protests, has gotten married.
Records at the St. Louis County Recorder of Deeds office show that 28-year-old Darren Wilson married Barbara Spradling on Oct. 24. A municipal judge performed the ceremony in Overland, Missouri.
A grand jury is deciding whether to indict Wilson for killing Michael Brown. Wilson, who is white, fatally shot Brown, who was black, on Aug. 9 following a scuffle inside Wilson's police SUV that spilled onto the street.
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Several media organizations, citing sources they didn't identify, have reported Wilson told grand jurors Brown was coming at him aggressively. Witnesses have said Brown had his hands raised and was trying to surrender.
Wilson and his first wife divorced in 2013.
http://www.Newsmax.com/US/US-Ferguson-Wilson-Married/2014/11/24/id/609250/#ixzz3K0tZntZ6
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I see it on my FB page from some blacks I know how they bought into all the hype w this nonsense,. Typical
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Ferguson grand jury decision expected today
CNN ^ | November 24, 2014 | Josh Levs
Posted on 11/24/2014 1:40:47 PM by C19fan
A decision is expected Monday from the grand jury in Ferguson, Missouri, that is weighing evidence in the Michael Brown shooting, U.S. and local law enforcement officials told CNN. The announcement will come from the St Louis County Prosecutor, the sources said. The sources did not know what decision will be announced.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grand-jury-reaches-decision-in-case-of-ferguson-officer/2014/11/24/de48e7e4-71d7-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html
Grand jury reaches decision in case of Ferguson officer
A grand jury has reached a decision on whether to indict Darren Wilson, the white Ferguson, Mo. police officer whose fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager sparked days of turbulent protests, sources close to the process said.
Sources said that press conferences are being prepared by the county prosecutors’ office and the Missouri governor. Those press conferences will likely come later today.
The announcement gave no indication of whether Wilson, 28, will face state charges in the August shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, which triggered a frank conversation about race and police interaction with African-Americans.
Althought a parallel federal civil rights investigation of the shooting is continuing, federal investigators have all but concluded they don’t have a case against Wilson, law enforcement officials have said. Federal investigators are also conducting a broader probe of the Ferguson Police Department.
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I've said all along that I think the shoot was legal.
I've also said I believe there is way more to it than a clean, simple shoot. More like, cop took a few licks, stopped the prick, shot him at a bit of a distance without considering anything besides the bullets - and maybe a headshot when all was said and done.
The cop is human, and he probably just hurt like crazy and wanted to punish the dude, hey, totally understandable. But IMHO, it's going to be something along the lines of "he didn't have to shoot, probably should not have, some details a little fishy, but no charges".
Just seems like there was SO much friendly info leaked, but that moment of the shooting, they were silent on.
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Looks like 95'ers aint gonna wait for the BLACK Friday 5 Finger Discount - they be looting to-day!
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Ferguson Grand Jury 'Unfair,' Michael Brown Family Lawyer Says
ABC News ^ | Nov 23, 2014, 1:48 PM ET | By JAMES HILL and DEAN SCHABNER
Posted on 11/24/2014 9:26:15 AM by Red Badger
A lawyer for the family of the black 18-year-old fatally shot by a white police officer said today the grand jury process playing out in Missouri is unlike anything he's seen before and is unfair.
The St. Louis County prosecuting attorney, Robert McCulloch, has said that, unlike with a typical grand jury, he would present to this grand jury all the evidence gathered in the police investigation and offer the jurors the opportunity to hear from any witness with relevant information.
The target of the investigation, Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, was among those who testified.
A spokesman for McCulloch has indicated that the prosecutor's office will not likely make a specific recommendation about charges, but would give the grand jurors a range of charges to consider, from involuntary manslaughter up to first-degree murder.
The grand jury investigating the killing of Michael Brown by Wilson is not meeting this weekend and will reconvene Monday, sources told ABC News.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grand-jury-reaches-decision-in-case-of-ferguson-officer/2014/11/24/de48e7e4-71d7-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grand-jury-reaches-decision-in-case-of-ferguson-officer/2014/11/24/de48e7e4-71d7-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html)
Will be announced today, in a couple Hours
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Ferguson Grand Jury 'Unfair,' Michael Brown Family Lawyer Says
ABC News ^ | Nov 23, 2014, 1:48 PM ET | By JAMES HILL and DEAN SCHABNER
Posted on 11/24/2014 9:26:15 AM by Red Badger
A lawyer for the family of the black 18-year-old fatally shot by a white police officer said today the grand jury process playing out in Missouri is unlike anything he's seen before and is unfair.
The St. Louis County prosecuting attorney, Robert McCulloch, has said that, unlike with a typical grand jury, he would present to this grand jury all the evidence gathered in the police investigation and offer the jurors the opportunity to hear from any witness with relevant information.
The target of the investigation, Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, was among those who testified.
A spokesman for McCulloch has indicated that the prosecutor's office will not likely make a specific recommendation about charges, but would give the grand jurors a range of charges to consider, from involuntary manslaughter up to first-degree murder.
The grand jury investigating the killing of Michael Brown by Wilson is not meeting this weekend and will reconvene Monday, sources told ABC News.
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
Actually, what happened in Florida with George Zimmerman was unfair, where you had a prosecutor bypass the grand jury and just submit an affidavit (and a misleading one at that).
This process is much more fair, where they present all of the evidence to the grand jury, where I understand the officer even testified, and let them make a decision.
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LEAKED>>> Prosecutor’s Office: NO INDICTMENT in #MikeBrown Case
thegatewaypundit.com ^ | 11-24-2014 | Jim Hoft
Posted on 11/24/2014 3:58:30 PM by servo1969
From a source close to the case—
NO INDICTMENT IN MIKE BROWN CASE—
brown wilson
From a source inside the Prosecutor’s Office – NO INDICTMENT in the Michael Brown case.
Heard from a separate source same news – No Indictment.
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No indictment in Ferguson case
Yamiche Alcindor and William M. Welch, USA TODAY
November 24, 2014
FERGUSON, Mo. -- A white police officer will not face charges for fatally shooting an unarmed black teenager in a case that set off violent protests and racial unrest throughout the nation, an attorney close to the case said Monday night.
A St. Louis County grand jury declined to indict officer Darren Wilson, 28, for firing six shots in an August confrontation that killed 18-year-old Michael Brown, said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the family. The decision had been long awaited and followed rioting that resembled war-zone news footage in this predominantly black suburb of St. Louis.
"The jury was not inclined to indict on any charges,'' Crump said after being informed of the decision by authorities. Prosecutors scheduled an news conference to announce the decision.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/24/ferguson-grand-jury-deliberations/19474907/
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No surprise
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he came back toward the officer.
Body found 150 something feet from the officer car, browns blood found 170 something feet from the car....
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Holy shit anybody listening to these friggen idiot reporters and their questions. These guys are retards. Apparently no research into MO law.....The grand jury came back with no indictment. That's it...evidence to go to trial is remarkably lower then conviction. They want a riot with this shit. Wife has family in St Louis...her uncle is well armed.
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Listened to the entire presentation by the DA. Sounds like the grand jury heard all of the evidence and made the right decision.
A number of witnesses testified that Brown was moving toward the officer when he was shot.
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He did a great job,.......wife had the Ferguson police scanner on...shots fired at Police station..bricks at cop car... etc etc. I bet by tomorrow this will be s shit show.
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Listened to the entire presentation by the DA. Sounds like the grand jury heard all of the evidence and made the right decision.
A number of witnesses testified that Brown was moving toward the officer when he was shot.
They didnt see the evidence 240 did
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MO guard will have to go in....this will be a disaster. If they do a good job it will be a blue print for this kind of shit. Pray for the cops...long night tonight.
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They didnt see the evidence 240 did
But he said it was a "legal shoot" (while arguing against a "legal shoot"), so he's covered.
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MO guard will have to go in....this will be a disaster. If they do a good job it will be a blue print for this kind of shit. Pray for the cops...long night tonight.
I hope not, but the comments from people who are condemning the verdict will probably just add fuel to the fire. Pray for the cops indeed.
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The people looting Ferguson could give a fuck about Mike Brown....he's just another spook to them as much as he was to any cop...they just want to steal and riot.
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they just want to steal and riot.
agreeed
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Of course. ::)
Brown Family Attorney: If Wilson’s Not Indicted, We Will Still Pursue Action Against Him
BY JENNIFER VAN LAAR
No matter what the outcome of the grand jury investigation in Ferguson is, Officer Darren Wilson’s legal troubles will not be over.
Attorney Ben Crump, who represents the Brown family, appeared on MSNBC’s Reid Report Monday and was asked about the family’s plans after the grand jury announcement.
“They’re trying to put their faith in the justice system, that it will work for their child too, equally, like it will work for everybody else.
And if there’s no indictment, the federal government is investigating the matter, so they will want to know if there’s any federal charges, but if not then the only remedy they will have left is a legal civil matter, and so we are going to explore every legal avenue to get them some sense of justice.”
Crump said the family also had some advice for protesters in Ferguson. “They want everybody to be peaceful, non-violent, because they don’t think you can address issues of violence by being violent.”
The Brown family responded to the news that a grand jury did not find probable cause for charging him for wrongfully shooting Michael Brown Jr.:
Of course, the Brown family and its attorney was also instrumental in breaking the news ahead of the grand jury announcement that Officer Darren Wilson would not be charged – as was covered by IJReview.com.
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/11/207336-brown-family-attorney-wilsons-indicted-will-still-pursue-action/
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Witnesses Told Grand Jury That Michael Brown Charged at Darren Wilson, Prosecutor Says
By ERIK ECKHOLMNOV. 24, 2014
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The most credible eyewitnesses to the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., said he had charged toward Police Officer Darren Wilson just before the final, fatal shots, the St. Louis County prosecutor said Monday night as he sought to explain why a grand jury had not found probable cause to indict the officer.
The accounts of several other witnesses from the Ferguson neighborhood where Mr. Brown, 18 and unarmed, met his death on Aug. 9 — including those who said Mr. Brown was trying to surrender — changed over time or were inconsistent with physical evidence, the prosecutor, Robert P. McCulloch, said in a news conference.
“The duty of the grand jury is to separate fact and fiction,” he said in a statement watched by a tense nation. “No probable cause exists to file any charges against Darren Wilson.”
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Mr. McCulloch praised the grand jurors, who met on 25 days over a three-month period and heard 60 witnesses, for pouring “their hearts and souls into this process” and said that only by hearing all the evidence, as they had, could one fairly judge the case.
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Tweeting the Grand Jury's Decision
The task facing the St. Louis County grand jury was not to determine whether Officer Darren Wilson was guilty of a crime, but whether there was evidence to justify bringing charges, which could have ranged from negligent manslaughter to intentional murder.
The fact that at least nine members of the 12-member panel could not agree to indict the officer indicates that they accepted the narrative of self-defense put forth by Officer Wilson in his voluntary, four hours of testimony before the grand jury. Mr. McCulloch, in his summary of the months of testimony, said it was supported by the most reliable eyewitness accounts — from African-Americans in the vicinity of the shooting — as well as physical evidence and the consistent results of three autopsies.
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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/25/report-body-of-black-male-found-shot-to-death-set-on-fire-near-apartment-complex-where-michael-brown-died/
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from ted nugent,not a big fan of his but what he said is true
Here’s the lessons from Ferguson America- Don’t let your kids growup to be thugs who think they can steal, assault & attack cops as a way of life & badge of black (dis)honor. Don’t preach your racist bullsh*t “no justice no peace”
"When a cop tells you to get out of the middle of the street, obey him & don't attack him as brainwashed by the gangsta assholes you hang with & look up to. It's that simple unless you have no brains, no soul, no sense of decency whatsoever."
"And dont claim that "black lives matter" when you ignore the millions you abort & slaughter each & every day by other blacks. Those of us with a soul do indeed believe black lives matter, as all lives matter. So quit killin each other you fuckin idiots. Drive safely."
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from ted nugent,not a big fan of his but what he said is true
Here’s the lessons from Ferguson America- Don’t let your kids growup to be thugs who think they can steal, assault & attack cops as a way of life & badge of black (dis)honor. Don’t preach your racist bullsh*t “no justice no peace”
"When a cop tells you to get out of the middle of the street, obey him & don't attack him as brainwashed by the gangsta assholes you hang with & look up to. It's that simple unless you have no brains, no soul, no sense of decency whatsoever."
"And dont claim that "black lives matter" when you ignore the millions you abort & slaughter each & every day by other blacks. Those of us with a soul do indeed believe black lives matter, as all lives matter. So quit killin each other you fuckin idiots. Drive safely."
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lol
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13 Facts About Ferguson the Media Will Never Tell You
Tuesday, 25 Nov 2014
By Jim Meyers
According to protesters who erupted in violence after a grand jury declined to indict Officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., this was the case of a white policeman shooting an unarmed black teenager with his hands in the air in a community plagued by racial tension.
That's an account promoted by many in the mainstream media as well. But here are several facts about the case that are harder to find:
1. Surveillance video showed that shortly before the confrontation, 18-year-old Brown stole cigarillos from a convenience store and shoved a clerk who tried to stop him.
2. The autopsy report showed that Brown had marijuana in his system when he died.
3. Officer Wilson, driving to the call of a medical emergency, first encountered Brown walking in the middle of a street and told Brown and his friend to walk on the sidewalk. Brown responded with an expletive.
4. Wilson chose to confront Brown only after he saw the cigarillos in his hand and recalled the radio report of a robbery at the convenience store.
5. Wilson said when he tried to open his car door, Brown slammed it back shut, then punched Wilson in the face.
6. Fearing another punch could knock him out, Wilson drew his gun, he told the grand jury, and Brown grabbed the gun, saying "you are too much of a pussy to shoot me."
7. An African-American witness confirmed that Brown and Wilson appeared to be "arm-wrestling" by the car.
8. Another witness saw Brown leaning through the car's window and said "some sort of confrontation was taking place."
9. After Wilson fired a shot that struck Brown's hand, Brown fled and Wilson gave chase. Brown suddenly stopped. An unidentified witness told the grand jury that 6-foot-4, 292-pound Brown charged at Wilson with his head down. Wilson said Brown put his hand under the waistband of his pants as he continued toward Wilson. That's when Wilson fired.
10. A witness testified that Brown never raised his hands.
11. Gunpowder found on the wound on Brown's hand indicated his hand was close to the gun when it fired. According to a report, the hand wound showed foreign matter "consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm."
12. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist who reviewed the autopsy for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, said the gunpowder "supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has particulate matter in the wound."
13. Wilson said Brown was physically uncontrollable and "for lack of a better word, crazy." He said that during the confrontation, he was thinking: "He's gonna kill me. How do I survive?" Legal experts say police officers typically have wide latitude to use deadly force when they feel their safety is threatened.
http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/ferguson-shooting-13-facts/2014/11/25/id/609483/#ixzz3KD4u8hgu
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This is a waste of time and resources. I haven't seen any evidence that the officer shot this kid because of his race.
Holder: Civil rights charges still possible
By Justin Sink
November 24, 2014
The federal government’s investigation into the shooting death of Michael Brown “remains ongoing,” Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday after a grand jury decided against indicting the officer who shot and killed the Ferguson teenager.
Calling Brown’s death “a tragedy,” Holder said his department is still examining the possibility of bringing civil rights charges against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.
“Though we have shared information with local prosecutors during the course of our investigation, the federal inquiry has been independent of the local one from the start, and remains so now,” Holder said.
Holder said the Justice Department was also continuing to invest allegations of unconstitutional policing patterns and practices by the Ferguson Police Department.
“This incident has sparked a national conversation about the need to ensure confidence between law enforcement and the communities they protect and serve,” Holder said. “While constructive efforts are underway in Ferguson and communities nationwide, far more must be done to create enduring trust.”
Holder, who has served as the Obama administration’s point person for examining the case — which has become a flashpoint for frustration over police treatment of minorities — also echoed President Obama’s call for peace in the aftermath of the decision.
“Though there will be disagreement with the grand jury's decision not to indict, this feeling should not lead to violence,” Holder said.
The attorney general said it did not honor Michael Brown’s memory “to engage in violence or looting.”
“In the coming days, it will likewise be important for local law enforcement authorities to respect the rights of demonstrators, and deescalate tensions by avoiding excessive displays — and uses — of force,” he said.
To that point, Holder pledged the Justice Department would continue to work with civil rights, faith, and community leaders to improve relationships with law enforcement — a charge Obama also mentioned in his brief remarks following the grand jury’s decision.
“I’ve instructed Attorney General Holder to work with cities across the country to help build better relations between communities and law enforcement,” Obama said. “That means working with law enforcement officials to make sure their ranks are representative of the communities they serve.”
Holder’s involvement in the case has included coordinating directly with Brown’s family, and briefing them on the federal civil rights investigation. In August, he traveled to the town to receive an on-the-ground briefing and meet with local officials.
The Justice Department has also offered technical assistance to police in Ferguson to help conduct crowd control without extreme use of force. And Holder’s team has attempted to bring law enforcement and civic leaders together to preempt violence.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/225265-holder-civil-rights-charges-still-possible
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This whole situation kills me ... the left wanted an unarmed child, surrendering himself maliciously gunned down that they make up facts. The truth as established in court says no Brown wasn't shot for felony strong arm robbery but was shot after committing felony capital attempted murder and assault of a peace officer. The cigars had nothing to do with it, The second Brown went for the gun, his life was over. Minimum he was looking at 30-50 years in the pen and of course should have been and was killed. The left is full of shit, as usual.
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13 Facts About Ferguson the Media Will Never Tell You
1. Surveillance video showed that shortly before the confrontation, 18-year-old Brown stole cigarillos from a convenience store and shoved a clerk who tried to stop him.
LOL @ in what world hasn't "the media" shown this video about 10,000 times? LOL
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Moral of the story= Assaulting and attempting to disarm a police officer isn't the wisest thing to do.
Case closed.
Throw the rioters a few bananas and send the National Guard in.
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why wont they just declare marshal law and send everyone home???
they can do this for a huge city like Boston hunting for one skinny dude but cant for small riots??
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why wont they just declare marshal law and send everyone home???
they can do this for a huge city like Boston hunting for one skinny dude but cant for small riots??
Of course not ... the left still hold firm to the gentle giant theory and this kid did nothing more than shoplift a few cigars. To "militarize" the police is out of the question according to Obama because the police were wrong in the first place.
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why wont they just declare marshal law and send everyone home???
they can do this for a huge city like Boston hunting for one skinny dude but cant for small riots??
Obama and Holder met with Ferguson authorities to ensure the police backed down. Obama and Holder both mentioned this in recent speeches.
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On a related note, the NYT is trying to push the narrative by referring to Zimmerman as white. Even when the man considering himself Hispanic. He also has black ancestry so according to the one drop rule advocates on getbig hes actually black. He's gone from a white Hispanic to white. The only place for him to go next is albino. If there are still naive dolts on getbig that can't recognize an agenda is being pushed your absolutely delusional. It's all a farce.
… For a person of color, she said, it is difficult not to view the Ferguson shooting as part of a continuum: the 2012 shooting of Trayvon Martin, an African-American man, by a white Florida man who was later acquitted of murder; the 2009 fatal shooting of an Oakland black man by a white transit officer who was found guilty of manslaughter instead of murder.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/us/after-ferguson-announcement-a-racial-divide-remains-over-views-of-justice.html?_r=1
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What's really odd about the whole Ferguson situation is that many are using it as a clear example of police brutality and racism when it all points out to the fact that Brown was an absolute shithead who deserved to get shot.
What's even more odd is that there are an infinite number of cases in which the police REALLY fucked up and no one is saying anything about them. At least they have not raised the same level of public disgrace as Ferguson.
Another fact that may explain the real reason behind Ferguson: It used to be a sundown town up until the late 70s/early 80s. Meaning no blacks allowed in town after dark.
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Even if you agree with the verdict in the George Zimmerman trial, it’s easy to feel some sympathy for Trayvon Martin. Here was a 17 year old kid who wasn’t doing anything wrong, who was being followed. It’s easy to see how that could freak him out. Unfortunately, that led to his making a bad decision. He attacked an armed man, fought well enough that he put Zimmerman in fear of his life and then got shot for it. It was a tragic case not only for Martin, who died, but for Zimmerman whose life seems to have been ruined by that day.
Although it’s sad to see anyone lose his life, Michael Brown isn’t nearly as sympathetic of a victim. He robbed a convenience store, assaulted a police officer, ignored his order to stop and then ran at the cop when he had a gun on him. What do you say about someone who gets shot under those circumstances other than he brought it on himself?
There are lessons we can learn from how these cases panned out and they’re not the ones liberals always seem to be pushing in these situations (If someone who isn’t Christian or conservative is offended, he must be right! We need another government program! Even though we have a black President, racism is everywhere in America!)
1) The initial story you hear is probably a lie: If Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton show up somewhere claiming that a wonderful black kid who was going to college was shot for no reason and nobody is doing anything about it because of racism, you can safely assume you’re being taken for a ride. The police do make mistakes. The Akai Gurley case is a great example of that. There are also bad cops out there. The cops who tortured Abner Louima in New York City fit that description. But, it's better to let a court sort through the details under oath to get the facts rather than relying on rumors and people who see dollar signs in their eyes every time someone yells "racism."
2) The Left has zero interest in discussing why black Americans are really more likely to be shot by police officers: The numbers can vary depending on whose statistics you’re looking at, but using the best estimate available, black Americans seem to be 3 times more likely to die at the hands of the police than white Americans. Could there be a possible explanation for this that goes beyond racism? Actually, yes.
Today blacks are about 13 percent of the population and continue to be responsible for an inordinate amount of crime. Between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the United States. The black arrest rate for most offenses — including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes — is still typically two to three times their representation in the population. Blacks as a group are also overrepresented among persons arrested for so-called white-collar crimes such as counterfeiting, fraud and embezzlement.
Percentage-wise, black Americans are much more likely to commit crimes and so, it’s not a surprise that they’re more likely to end up in potentially dangerous conflicts with police officers. Encouraging black Americans to be hostile to police officers, which is sadly all too common, only exacerbates the problem by making cops more suspicious and by making black Americans more likely to do potentially dangerous things around the police. The vast majority of black Americans are decent, law-abiding people and it’s sad that some of them are afraid of the police. That’s an issue that police departments should do much more to address, but unless they’re met halfway by community leaders who are willing to work with the cops, any effort is doomed to fail.
3) It’s time for cops to start wearing body cameras: If Darren Wilson had been wearing a body camera, the bogus “hands up, don’t shoot” meme would have never gotten any traction. Not only would body cameras help eradicate fears of abuse from officers, it would protect cops from the sort of false charges we saw in the Michael Brown case. Body cameras wouldn’t be a panacea, but they would probably make life better for both the cops and the people they’re policing.
4) You better arm yourself because you can’t count on the police to protect you: It was widely speculated that there would be riots in Ferguson if the Grand Jury didn’t indict Darren Wilson. Yet, the governor of Missouri refused to deploy the National Guard in Ferguson on the first night. Without the help of the National Guard, the police weren’t able to contain the mayhem and there was rioting, looting, assaults and arson. Even though the state of Missouri officials knew it was coming, even though they could have prevented it – they didn’t. Take that lesson to heart, get your own gun and learn how to use it so if trouble comes knocking on your doorstep, you won’t be waiting for help from the state that never comes.
5) The mainstream media is more interested in promoting the idea that America is a racist country than the truth: The mainstream media helped create the angst over Trayvon Martin and the riots in Ferguson. NBC falsely claimed George Zimmerman used a racial slur and edited his call to the police to make him sound bad while the whole media used an old picture of Trayvon Martin that made people think he was 12. On the eve of the Grand Jury verdict in the Michael Brown case, the New York Times published THE STREET Darren Wilson lives on with his new wife. Beyond those egregious offenses, the mainstream media helped create many of the initial myths about both cases, was slow to correct the facts and habitually slanted its news coverage to portray Zimmerman and Wilson as guilty, even when it didn’t fit the facts. Everyone knows the mainstream media is biased, but when its coverage plays a role in getting people’s businesses burned to the ground, it has gone too far.
6) Most people on the “Left” care more about the narrative than the truth: One of the most amazing things about both the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown caseswas how many people didn’t change their minds one bit about what happened even after the initial stories in both cases proved to be false. Instead, many people cared more about the narrative, “White people in general and white cops in particular are shooting black people for no reason,” than what really happened. It was as if Zimmerman and Wilson had to go to jail not because they did anything wrong, but because to proclaim them innocent was a slam against black Americans.
7) “Black Leaders” are looking to ratchet up the tension, not ease it: It’s extremely ironic that most of the businesses that burned in Ferguson were minority-owned because black leaders like Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, the New Black Panthers and, yes, Eric Holder and Barack Obama helped make it happen. Yes, they gave bloodless, CYA condemnations of violence, and then went back to hyping people up instead of calming them down. See, when people get mad, they give donations. Peace doesn’t make money. Peace doesn’t get your name in the newspaper. Peace doesn’t get anyone on TV.
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama will discuss the situation in Ferguson, Missouri, with his Cabinet, civil rights leaders, law enforcement officials and others Monday.
The White House says Obama's Cabinet meeting will focus on his administration's review of federal programs that provide military-style equipment to law enforcement agencies.
The president will also meet with young civil rights leaders to discuss the challenges posed by "mistrust between law enforcement and communities of color." He'll then meet with government and law enforcement officials, as well as other community leaders, to discuss how to strengthen neighborhoods.
Protests have continued in Ferguson, but have been more muted than the violence sparked last week by a grand jury's decision not to indict a police officer in the shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown.
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What's really odd about the whole Ferguson situation is that many are using it as a clear example of police brutality and racism when it all points out to the fact that Brown was an absolute shithead who deserved to get shot.
What's even more odd is that there are an infinite number of cases in which the police REALLY fucked up and no one is saying anything about them. At least they have not raised the same level of public disgrace as Ferguson.
Another fact that may explain the real reason behind Ferguson: It used to be a sundown town up until the late 70s/early 80s. Meaning no blacks allowed in town after dark.
It doesn't have to BE right, it has to FEEL right.
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What's really odd about the whole Ferguson situation is that many are using it as a clear example of police brutality and racism when it all points out to the fact that Brown was an absolute shithead who deserved to get shot.
What's even more odd is that there are an infinite number of cases in which the police REALLY fucked up and no one is saying anything about them. At least they have not raised the same level of public disgrace as Ferguson.
Another fact that may explain the real reason behind Ferguson: It used to be a sundown town up until the late 70s/early 80s. Meaning no blacks allowed in town after dark.
Good points. People don't care about the facts.
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Again, who cares about the facts? ::)
St. Louis police group demands punishment for Rams players in Ferguson protest
Published December 01, 2014
FoxNews.com
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November 30, 2014: Members of the St. Louis Rams raise their arms in awareness of the events in Ferguson, Mo., as they walk onto the field during introductions before an NFL football game against the Oakland Raiders. (AP Photo/L.G. Patterson)
A St. Louis police officers' group called on the NFL to punish five Rams players who stood with their hands raised before trotting onto the field for pregame introductions Sunday.
The St. Louis Police Officers' Association said it was "profoundly disappointed" with what it called a "display that police officers around the nation found tasteless, offensive and inflammatory." It called for the players involved to be disciplined and for both the league and team to issue a "very public apology."
The so-called "hands up, don't shoot" gesture has been commonly used by demonstrators protesting the decision of a St. Louis County grand jury to not indict Officer Darren Wilson in the August 9 shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in suburban Ferguson. Some witnesses said Brown, who was black, had his hands up before being fatally shot by Wilson, who is white.
Prior to kickoff of their game against the Oakland Raiders, Rams wide receivers Tavon Austin and Kenny Britt came out together and raised their hands, but the move was obscured by a smoke machine in the upper reaches of the Edward Jones Dome. Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey and Chris Givens then came out and stood together with hands raised in the fog.
"I just think there has to be a change," Cook said after the Rams' 52-0 win. "There has to be a change that starts with the people that are most influential around the world.
"No matter what happened on that day, no matter how the whole situation went down, there has to be a change."
Coach Jeff Fisher said he'd not been aware the gesture had been planned by the players, all of them black.
Cook said players have been too busy to go to Ferguson, plus "it's kind of dangerous down there and none of us want to get caught up in anything."
"It takes some guts, it takes some heart, so I admire the people around the world that have been doing it," he added.
SLPOA Business Manager Jeff Roorda was quoted in a statement released by the organization as saying " All week long, the Rams and the NFL were on the phone with the St. Louis Police Department asking for assurances that the players and the fans would be kept safe from the violent protesters who had rioted, looted, and burned buildings in Ferguson ... then, as the players and their fans sit safely in their dome under the watchful protection of hundreds of St. Louis's finest, they take to the turf to call a now-exonerated officer a murderer, that is way out-of-bounds, to put it in football parlance."
Across the street from the stadium, about 75 protesters gathered in the second half as about 30 police wearing riot gear watched from a distance. Protesters chanted "Hands up, don't shoot!" ''No justice, no football!" ''This is what democracy looks like," and "We're here for Mike Brown."
James Weaver of St. Louis was among the protesters outside the stadium and argued with two fans leaving. They were separated by police.
"People don't understand what this is about," Weaver said. "This is about a young man lying on the street for four hours. People are mad."
Weaver added that police are "clicking their boots like the Gestapo."
The Rams had additional security measures in place for the game, including armed personnel from the National Guard. The team has wanded fans outside entrances all season.
Roorda also played down the notion that the players were exercising their right to free speech, saying ""I know that there are those that will say that these players are simply exercising their First Amendment rights. Well I've got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours.
"I'd remind the NFL and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products," Roorda added. "It's cops and the good people of St. Louis and other NFL towns that do. Somebody needs to throw a flag on this play. If it's not the NFL and the Rams, then it'll be cops and their supporters."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/01/st-louis-police-group-demands-punishment-for-rams-players-in-ferguson-protest/
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Again, who cares about the facts? ::)
St. Louis police group demands punishment for Rams players in Ferguson protest
Published December 01, 2014
FoxNews.com
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November 30, 2014: Members of the St. Louis Rams raise their arms in awareness of the events in Ferguson, Mo., as they walk onto the field during introductions before an NFL football game against the Oakland Raiders. (AP Photo/L.G. Patterson)
A St. Louis police officers' group called on the NFL to punish five Rams players who stood with their hands raised before trotting onto the field for pregame introductions Sunday.
The St. Louis Police Officers' Association said it was "profoundly disappointed" with what it called a "display that police officers around the nation found tasteless, offensive and inflammatory." It called for the players involved to be disciplined and for both the league and team to issue a "very public apology."
The so-called "hands up, don't shoot" gesture has been commonly used by demonstrators protesting the decision of a St. Louis County grand jury to not indict Officer Darren Wilson in the August 9 shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in suburban Ferguson. Some witnesses said Brown, who was black, had his hands up before being fatally shot by Wilson, who is white.
Prior to kickoff of their game against the Oakland Raiders, Rams wide receivers Tavon Austin and Kenny Britt came out together and raised their hands, but the move was obscured by a smoke machine in the upper reaches of the Edward Jones Dome. Jared Cook, Stedman Bailey and Chris Givens then came out and stood together with hands raised in the fog.
"I just think there has to be a change," Cook said after the Rams' 52-0 win. "There has to be a change that starts with the people that are most influential around the world.
"No matter what happened on that day, no matter how the whole situation went down, there has to be a change."
Coach Jeff Fisher said he'd not been aware the gesture had been planned by the players, all of them black.
Cook said players have been too busy to go to Ferguson, plus "it's kind of dangerous down there and none of us want to get caught up in anything."
"It takes some guts, it takes some heart, so I admire the people around the world that have been doing it," he added.
SLPOA Business Manager Jeff Roorda was quoted in a statement released by the organization as saying " All week long, the Rams and the NFL were on the phone with the St. Louis Police Department asking for assurances that the players and the fans would be kept safe from the violent protesters who had rioted, looted, and burned buildings in Ferguson ... then, as the players and their fans sit safely in their dome under the watchful protection of hundreds of St. Louis's finest, they take to the turf to call a now-exonerated officer a murderer, that is way out-of-bounds, to put it in football parlance."
Across the street from the stadium, about 75 protesters gathered in the second half as about 30 police wearing riot gear watched from a distance. Protesters chanted "Hands up, don't shoot!" ''No justice, no football!" ''This is what democracy looks like," and "We're here for Mike Brown."
James Weaver of St. Louis was among the protesters outside the stadium and argued with two fans leaving. They were separated by police.
"People don't understand what this is about," Weaver said. "This is about a young man lying on the street for four hours. People are mad."
Weaver added that police are "clicking their boots like the Gestapo."
The Rams had additional security measures in place for the game, including armed personnel from the National Guard. The team has wanded fans outside entrances all season.
Roorda also played down the notion that the players were exercising their right to free speech, saying ""I know that there are those that will say that these players are simply exercising their First Amendment rights. Well I've got news for people who think that way, cops have first amendment rights too, and we plan to exercise ours.
"I'd remind the NFL and their players that it is not the violent thugs burning down buildings that buy their advertiser's products," Roorda added. "It's cops and the good people of St. Louis and other NFL towns that do. Somebody needs to throw a flag on this play. If it's not the NFL and the Rams, then it'll be cops and their supporters."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/01/st-louis-police-group-demands-punishment-for-rams-players-in-ferguson-protest/
Apparently some people are immune to facts
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2855715/Obama-hold-White-House-meetings-Ferguson.html
Unreal - Ghettobama doing what he always does
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Apparently some people are immune to facts
Tell me about it. I was just having a discussion with someone who insists the cop should have used a taser or shot him leg, etc. Tried to explain use of force training and guidelines, etc. Didn't matter. Tried to put that aside and just use common sense, by looking at the size of this kid and the fact he had already tried to take the cop's gun. Didn't matter. That's why some people feel emboldened to say and do stupid stuff after an incident like this.
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Tell me about it. I was just having a discussion with someone who insists the cop should have used a taser or shot him leg, etc. Tried to explain use of force training and guidelines, etc. Didn't matter. Tried to put that aside and just use common sense, by looking at the size of this kid and the fact he had already tried to take the cop's gun. Didn't matter. That's why some people feel emboldened to say and do stupid stuff after an incident like this.
It's like dealing with the insane or a 911 truther. This is some whacked out shit.
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It's like dealing with the insane or a 911 truther. This is some whacked out shit.
not another Pete Carroll thread.
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It's like dealing with the insane or a 911 truther. This is some whacked out shit.
Hey watch it now. 240 is my personal whipping boy. You leave him alone. :)
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Hey watch it now. 240 is my personal whipping boy. You leave him alone. :)
hahaha. It is like 911 truthers, man. The two are eerily similar. I'm already hearing stories of cover-ups and government take overs.
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hahaha. It is like 911 truthers, man. The two are eerily similar. I'm already hearing stories of cover-ups and government take overs.
Now that I think about it, you are absolutely correct. I quit arguing with 911 Troofers a long time ago. Pointless exercise. I see the same unreasonableness with these Ferguson people.
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Jesse Lee Peterson: Michael Brown's Death His Own Fault
Monday, 01 Dec 2014
By Bill Hoffmann
A prominent African-American minister has come out swinging against the parents of Michael Brown, after his incensed father labeled the police officer who fatally shot his son "a murderer."
"I may be the only one in America who does not grieve for Michael Brown's parents," the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson said Monday on "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.
"The reality is Michael Brown is dead because of Michael Brown. It's not Officer Darren Wilson's fault."
In an interview with CNN, Brown's parents were asked about Wilson's declaration that he has a "clear conscience" about shooting their son in Ferguson, Mo. — an event that triggered weeks of racial unrest last summer.
"He’s a murderer," Michael Brown Sr. shot back. "He understood exactly what he was doing. You know, he didn’t have a second thought, a pushback thought or nothing. He was intending to kill someone."
But Peterson — president and founder of the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny (BOND) and host of the syndicated radio program, "The Jesse Lee Peterson Show" — tore into that scenario.
"[Brown] attacked the police officer in his car, tried to take his gun, the gun went off, and Michael's blood is all over the place," Peterson said.
"According to the report and witnesses, Michael, after running away from the officer, came back after him with a full force charge toward him. Michael Brown is dead because of Michael Brown.
"His parents are also hypocrites because they didn't raise Michael in the right way. They failed him. They failed to raise a decent citizen. They are in part responsible for the death of Michael Brown as well. [They] should be made to feel embarrassed for the way they raised their son."
Wilson was exonerated by a grand jury last week. He has quit the Ferguson police force in a bid to help the racially torn community heal.
But the Rev. Al Sharpton said Sunday that "the fight ain't over" in the wake of the grand jury declining to indict a white police officer in the killing of a black teenager.
Speaking at the Friendly Temple Missionary Baptist Church in St. Louis where Brown's funeral was held in August, Sharpton said Wilson's resignation is not enough.
Peterson told Steve Malzberg:
"America has set up situations like this all over the country because these thugs are going to feel as though they could go out and harass officers, fight with them, call them racists and get away with it.
"No one in the black community, for the most part, [is] telling the truth about what really happened there."
http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/Jesse-Lee-Peterson-Michael-Brown-Ferguson-parents/2014/12/01/id/610331/#ixzz3Kh2FWSeH
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he will be labeled an Uncle Tom by 99% of his Community and libs of all colors will join in the pile on
Did it get mentioned that the Oath Keepers have been banned from guarding stores in Ferguson and might be prosecuted for 'vigilantism' ? I wonder where that came from ::)
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http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/lawmakers-ferguson-hands-up-113254.html
you got to be kidding me >:(
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http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/lawmakers-ferguson-hands-up-113254.html
you got to be kidding me >:(
Nothing but fools swept up in a wave of irrational drooling stupidity.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/lawmakers-ferguson-hands-up-113254.html
you got to be kidding me >:(
Im just surprised you're suprised
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Nothing but fools swept up in a wave of irrational drooling stupidity.
Exactly.
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I disagree with his comments about Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, but he is spot on about Ferguson.
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BREAKING: #Ferguson Activist Who Met With Obama in White House – Arrested for Assaulting Guard
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, December 4, 2014, 1:42 PM
From street mob activist to White House guest—
sean aldridge
20 year-old Ferguson activist Rasheen Aldridge met with Barack Obama this week in the White House to discuss Ferguson. He was the president’s guest. No Ferguson business owners or Ferguson police officers were invited to the publicized event.
Several local Ferguson protest leaders were invited by Barack Obama to the White House.
Torch a town – Get invited to White House!
obama ferguson activists
On Monday several Ferguson protest leaders met with Barack Obama in the White House.
Attendees included:
** Ashley Yates, Millennial Activists United
** Rasheen Aldridge, Young Activists St. Louis
** Brittany Packnett, St. Louis educator and activist
** T-Dubb-O, St. Louis hip-hop artist
** James Hayes, Ohio Students Association
** Phillip Agnew, Dream Defenders
** Jose Lopez, Make the Road New York
After meeting with President Obama this week Rasheen told reporters.
“We want [the president] to come out and have accountability for police, we want him to acknowledge our pain, and that we have been peaceful.“
In September Rasheed tweeted out the Ferguson police chief’s Social Security Number.
rasheed ss number
Now this…
Rasheen Aldridge was just charged with assaulting a security guard at St. Louis City Hall.
KMOV reported:
Rasheen Aldridge, the youngest member of the newly-established Ferguson Commission, was arrested in November for allegedly assaulting a guard at City Hall during Ferguson-related protests.
According to court records, Aldridge, 22, was one of several protesters who marched outside St. Louis City Hall on November 26. During the protests, City Hall went on lockdown and several protesters, including Aldridge, tried to gain entry, prosecutors said.
While trying to gain access, the group began chanting and shouting at a security guard who was blocking the doorway before Aldridge allegedly shoved him.
Aldridge is charged with 3rd degree assault.
Aldridge is a member of Young Activists United. He told News 4 at the time of his appointment that he was somewhat hesitant to accept an appointment to the commission.
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BREAKING: #Ferguson Activist Who Met With Obama in White House – Arrested for Assaulting Guard
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, December 4, 2014, 1:42 PM
From street mob activist to White House guest—
sean aldridge
20 year-old Ferguson activist Rasheen Aldridge met with Barack Obama this week in the White House to discuss Ferguson. He was the president’s guest. No Ferguson business owners or Ferguson police officers were invited to the publicized event.
Several local Ferguson protest leaders were invited by Barack Obama to the White House.
Torch a town – Get invited to White House!
obama ferguson activists
On Monday several Ferguson protest leaders met with Barack Obama in the White House.
Attendees included:
** Ashley Yates, Millennial Activists United
** Rasheen Aldridge, Young Activists St. Louis
** Brittany Packnett, St. Louis educator and activist
** T-Dubb-O, St. Louis hip-hop artist
** James Hayes, Ohio Students Association
** Phillip Agnew, Dream Defenders
** Jose Lopez, Make the Road New York
After meeting with President Obama this week Rasheen told reporters.
“We want [the president] to come out and have accountability for police, we want him to acknowledge our pain, and that we have been peaceful.“
In September Rasheed tweeted out the Ferguson police chief’s Social Security Number.
rasheed ss number
Now this…
Rasheen Aldridge was just charged with assaulting a security guard at St. Louis City Hall.
KMOV reported:
Rasheen Aldridge, the youngest member of the newly-established Ferguson Commission, was arrested in November for allegedly assaulting a guard at City Hall during Ferguson-related protests.
According to court records, Aldridge, 22, was one of several protesters who marched outside St. Louis City Hall on November 26. During the protests, City Hall went on lockdown and several protesters, including Aldridge, tried to gain entry, prosecutors said.
While trying to gain access, the group began chanting and shouting at a security guard who was blocking the doorway before Aldridge allegedly shoved him.
Aldridge is charged with 3rd degree assault.
Aldridge is a member of Young Activists United. He told News 4 at the time of his appointment that he was somewhat hesitant to accept an appointment to the commission.
We are six years in and I'm still wondering if this President is capable of doing anything without looking like a complete fool?
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Networks Spread False 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot' Narrative 140 Times Since Ferguson
By Kristine Marsh | March 5, 2015
“Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” has been the rallying cry of Ferguson protesters since officer Darren Wilson fatally shot Michael Brown on a Missouri street last August. Brown, the “gentle giant,” was shot while trying to surrender or de-escalate his encounter with Wilson. It was an article of faith on the left, and the three networks used the phrase 140 times in their coverage of Ferguson.
Now, the DOJ report and Attorney General Eric Holder have admitted that the catch phrase was based on false witness accounts. None of the networks apologized or admitted their own reporting spread that false narrative. Instead, they focused on DOJ’s assertions of racism in the Ferguson police department.
In a press conference yesterday, AG Holder admitted that a false account of events had mysteriously gained popularity with the public, but he wouldn’t admit the media had some small part in this. “I recognize that the findings in our report may leave some to wonder how the department’s findings can differ so sharply from some of the initial, widely reported accounts of what transpired,” he said, “It remains not only valid – but essential – to question how such a strong alternative version of events was able to take hold so swiftly, and be accepted so readily.”
Er, it might have something to do with people in the media and government (Holder very much included) being all too eager to believe, or at least cynically parrot that “alternative version.” For example, the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” phrase was mentioned 34 times by NBC, 51 by ABC and 55 by CBS from August 9, 2014 to March 3, 2015.
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But only the CBS Evening News, which gave 42 seconds to clearing Wilson, noted that there was “no credible evidence Brown had his hands up attempting to surrender.”
Passive language and skeptical tone characterized the report from anchor Charlie Rose, who said the DOJ “found no evidence to disprove Wilson's contention he acted in self-defense.” Reporter Mark Strassmann also called Brown “an unarmed teenager” during the segment, which spent another minute and 20 seconds discussing the racial tensions in Ferguson and hyping “racist emails” found on officers’ computers. The segment was immediately followed by a civil rights poll.
ABC’s World News Tonight was even worse. Anchor David Muir teased the segment by not even mentioning that Wilson was cleared by the DOJ or that the protesters were wrong, but instead leading with the racist emails, saying: “Breaking tonight: the Ferguson police department, coming before the cameras at this hour, responding. After the justice department reveals racist e-mails, and alleged excessive force.” In the nearly two minute long segment, just five seconds were given to the fact that Wilson was cleared by the DOJ. The rest of the segment was devoted to the emails.
NBC Nightly News followed in the pattern of casting a skeptical tone on Wilson’s clearing. Investigative reporter Ron Allen said: "Despite months of passionate demands from protesters in Ferguson, federal investigators decided not to charge former police officer Darren Wilson saying he feared for his life, acted in self-defense killing the unarmed teenager Michael Brown."
Nowhere in the two minute, 20 second long segment did anchor Lester Holt or reporter Ron Allen find time to mention that the report also found the “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative was a lie.
It’s not just the broadcast news that was complicit in spreading false information and adding fuel to the fire in the Ferguson case. Shockingly, a CNN panel even participated in siding with the protesters by hosting their own, “Hands Up” protest after the grand jury found Wilson not guilty of any criminal charges in December.
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It doesn’t seem to matter to the media that no jury, judge, or government office has found anything showing Officer Wilson was not acting in self-defense. The media and the Obama administration will continue to aid the race-baiting narrative from the left as long as no one holds them accountable.
Methodology: MRC Culture counted 140 mentions between ABC, NBC and CBS on their morning and evening news broadcasts. NBC had 34 mentions, ABC had 51 and CBS had 55 mentions, from Aug.9, 2014 to March 3, 2015.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kristine-marsh/2015/03/05/nets-fail-acknowledge-they-spread-false-hands-dont-shoot-140x#sthash.41wk0V1y.dpuf
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http://twitchy.com/2015/03/12/really-pathetic-obama-gets-backlash-for-tweeted-reaction-to-shooting-of-officers-in-ferguson/
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Fox Highlights MRC Study on Media Promoting 'Hands Up, Don't Shoot' Myth
By Jeffrey Meyer | March 24, 2015
On Monday's The Kelly File, Fox News’ Trace Gallagher highlighted an analysis from the Media Research Center which examined the number of times the "big three" (ABC, CBS, and NBC) networks promoted the "hands up, don't shoot" myth in the wake of the shooting death of Michael Brown by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.
Gallagher detailed how “[t]he conservative Media Research Center finds that NBC, ABC, and CBS mentioned hands up don't shoot combined 140 times, only CBS declares that the DOJ report says the narrative was untrue.”
Host Megyn Kelly introduced the report by explaining how “the mainstream media and some very public personalities helped push a lie about racially charged events in Ferguson, Missouri. Now, some in the media after being publicly shamed are starting to come around.”
Gallagher went on to explain that much of the media falsely jumped onto the false “hands up, don’t shoot” line surrounding the Michael Brown case was the result of “a basic failure to tell both sides of the story.” He went on to note that when Fox would bring on guests to present both sides of the Darren Wilson story, the network was accused of having a pro-cop bias:
A cold-blooded murder said CNN's top legal analyst, an execution says MSNBC. Where was the information about Dorian Johnson having a lengthy criminal record including a conviction for lying to police? And where were the eyewitness accounts that fully backed up Officer Darren Wilson? They were here on The Kelly File, which was still accused of bias.
Click here to read the full MRC study on the liberal media’s continued promotion of the “hands up don’t shoot” myth.
Fox News’ The Kelly File
March 23, 2015
MEGYN KELLY: New reaction now to a disastrous public relations move by Starbucks intended to encourage conversations about race. That idea that created about a week of controversy before hitting the trash can with the latest batch of French roast grounds. Ironically almost none of those people is reporting on Starbucks -- none of those people is focusing on another conversation, like how the mainstream media and some very public personalities helped push a lie about racially charged events in Ferguson, Missouri. Now, some in the media after being publicly shamed are starting to come around. Trace Gallagher details the story tonight from Los Angeles. Trace.
TRACE GALLAGHER: Megyn, the very same reason that much of the media got the Duke Lacrosse and Trayvon Martin cases wrong is also why they got the Michael Brown case wrong. A basic failure to tell both sides of the story. In fact, the "Hands Up, Don't Shoot" mantra was born from the eyewitness account of Dorian Johnson, the man who was with Michael Brown when they were confronted by Officer Darren Wilson. Watch
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GALLAGHER: A cold-blooded murder said CNN's top legal analyst, an execution says MSNBC. Where was the information about Dorian Johnson having a lengthy criminal record including a conviction for lying to police? And where were the eyewitness accounts that fully backed up Officer Darren Wilson? They were here on The Kelly File, which was still accused of bias.
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GALLAGHER: And while the accusations rang from coast-to-coast to Capitol Hill, the apology bandwagon is moving slow and silent. The conservative Media Research Center finds that NBC, ABC, and CBS mentioned hands up don't shoot combined 140 times, only CBS declares that the DOJ report says the narrative was untrue. So the media was called on the carpet. Watch.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We saw members of congress on the steps of the US Capitol, hands in the air saying hands up, don't shoot. And if one of them has so far apologized for misleading America, we haven't heard it. Enough is enough.
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GALLAGHER: And only after did The Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart admit it was a lie. CNN is also re-evaluating based on unreliable eyewitness accounts, the very same eyewitness accounts they had earlier relied on, Megyn.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2015/03/24/fox-highlights-mrc-study-media-promoting-hands-dont-shoot-myth#sthash.c6paL3kp.dpuf
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Family of black Ferguson teen killed by police sues city
Apr 23, 2015
(Reuters) - The family of Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old killed in Ferguson last summer by a white police officer, filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the city on Thursday, seeking unspecified punitive damages, $75,000 in compensation and changes in policing.
The civil lawsuit filed in St. Louis County, Missouri, names the city of Ferguson, former Police Chief Thomas Jackson and former police officer Darren Wilson as defendants.
The suit calls for a court order prohibiting the use of police techniques "that demean, disregard, or underserve its African-American population".
The shooting last August sparked a wave of angry demonstrations and unrest over police violence, particularly against minorities in Ferguson and around the country.
The filing has been expected since the family said last month it would file the civil case.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/23/us-usa-police-missouri-idUSKBN0NE0F620150423
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Federal government sues Ferguson, Missouri
Published February 10, 2016
Associated Press
FERGUSON, Mo – The federal government sued Ferguson on Wednesday, one day after the City Council voted to revise an agreement aimed at improving the way police and courts treat poor people and minorities in the St. Louis suburb.
Attorney General Loretta Lynch said Ferguson's decision to reject the deal left the Justice Department no choice except to file a civil-rights lawsuit.
"The residents of Ferguson have waited nearly a year for the city to adopt an agreement that would protect their rights and keep them safe. ... They have waited decades for justice. They should not be forced to wait any longer," Lynch told a Washington news conference.
The Justice Department complaint accuses Ferguson of routinely violating residents' rights and misusing law enforcement to generate revenue — a practice the government alleged was "ongoing and pervasive."
Ferguson leaders "had a real opportunity here to step forward, and they've chosen to step backward," Lynch said.
Ferguson spokesman Jeff Small declined to comment. Messages left with Mayor James Knowles III were not returned.
Ferguson has been under Justice Department scrutiny since 18-year-old Michael Brown, who was black and unarmed, was fatally shot by white officer Darren Wilson 18 months ago. A grand jury and the Justice Department declined to prosecute Wilson, who resigned in November 2014.
But a scathing Justice Department report was critical of police and a profit-driven municipal court system. Following months of negotiations, an agreement between the federal agency and Ferguson was announced in January.
A recent financial analysis determined the agreement would cost the struggling city nearly $4 million in the first year alone. The council voted 6-0 Tuesday to adopt the deal, but with seven amendments.
Hours before the lawsuit was announced, Ferguson leaders said they were willing to sit down with Justice Department negotiators to draw up a new agreement.
That seemed unlikely from the outset. Within hours of the Tuesday vote, Vanita Gupta, head of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, said in a statement that the department would take "the necessary legal actions" to ensure Ferguson's police and court practices comply with the Constitution and federal laws.
Knowles said the seven amendments were formulated after the analysis showed the deal was so expensive it could lead to dissolution of Ferguson. The analysis suggested that the first-year cost of the agreement would be $2.2 million to $3.7 million, with second- and third-year costs between $1.8 million and $3 million in each year.
Ferguson has an operating budget of $14.5 million and already faces a $2.8 million deficit. Voters will be asked to approve two tax hikes in April, but approval of both would still leave the city short.
A big part of the cost was the requirement that Ferguson raise police salaries to attract better candidates, including more minority officers. Removal of the pay-raise clause was among the seven amendments.
Ferguson resident Bob Hudgins, 52, applauded the lawsuit.
"I'm proud of my federal government today," said Hudgins, who says he plans to run for City Council. "Ferguson does not have the option to modify the agreement to the extent they have sent back."
Another new provision states that the agreement will not apply to any other governmental entity that might take over duties currently provided by Ferguson. That means, for example, that St. Louis County would not be beholden to the agreement if it takes over policing in Ferguson.
St. Louis County police spokesman Brian Schellman said if the county were ever asked to take over policing in Ferguson, "we would consider the implications of the consent decree before entering into such an agreement."
Knowles doesn't believe neighboring municipal departments would agree to cover Ferguson under the Justice Department's requirements.
Defiance has often defined Ferguson since Brown's death.
Days after the shooting, then-Police Chief Tom Jackson released surveillance video showing Brown's involvement in a theft at a small grocery store shortly before his death, with the burly teenager pushing the store owner. The video's release only heightened anger among protesters.
Knowles has vigorously defended Ferguson. Even as protesters and civil rights leaders called for reforms, the mayor noted that Ferguson was already making changes to municipal courts aimed at easing the burden on people accused of minor violations. In fact, city revenue from court fees and fines has declined by hundreds of thousands of dollars since the shooting.
It's not uncommon for local governments to seek changes to agreements even after negotiations, but the overwhelming majority of investigations still end up in a settlement.
The Justice Department has initiated more than 20 civil rights investigations into law enforcement agencies in the last six years, including in Baltimore and Chicago. In the last 18 months, the department has reached settlements with police departments that included Cleveland and Albuquerque.
There have been occasional disagreements.
In 2012, the Justice Department sued Maricopa County, Arizona, after failing to reach agreement on allegations that the sheriff's office targeted Latinos with discriminatory stops and arrests. County officials voted in July to settle parts of that lawsuit.
The federal government also sued North Carolina's Alamance County following an investigation that alleged biased policing practices against Latinos there. But a federal judge last August ruled in the county's favor, saying the Justice Department failed to prove the sheriff ordered deputies to target Hispanic residents. That case is on appeal.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/10/federal-government-expected-to-sue-ferguson-missouri.html?intcmp=hplnws
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