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Title: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on September 20, 2014, 04:05:13 PM
Most people save them for last.

I've been doing them second, right after benches.

This way I'm still pretty fresh, and, I give my delts some time to recover before shoulder presses.

Sure, I'm in some pretty heavy oxygen debt by the last set, but, I get my wind back after a few minutes.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on September 20, 2014, 04:12:13 PM
Most people save them for last.

I've been doing them second, right after benches.

This way I'm still pretty fresh, and, I give my delts some time to recover before shoulder presses.

Sure, I'm in some pretty heavy oxygen debt by the last set, but, I get my wind back after a few minutes.

first leg movement, end of the workout imo
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: jpm101 on September 21, 2014, 09:34:00 AM
The usual protocol of a full body workout is doing the heavier compound exercises, for the larger body parts, first in the workout. The workout should also be short, to the point and done with serious intent.

Something like:  3 to 4 sets of 8-10 reps of each movement. Some will add calf and abs exercises, but those would be placed at the very end of the workout.

Squats
BB rows
bench
overhead press
BB curls

There is also the classic 5X5 full body workout....5 sets of 5 reps.
Squat
BB row
Bench

Many different ways and different exercise for any full body workout. Keep in mind the general rule of thumb of doing the heavier movement first in line. Give the most attention, and effort, to the bigger growing exercise like the full squat. Or even Dl to stat a workout.

Good luck

Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on September 22, 2014, 05:16:40 PM
The usual protocol of a full body workout is doing the heavier compound exercises, for the larger body parts, first in the workout. The workout should also be short, to the point and done with serious intent.

Something like:  3 to 4 sets of 8-10 reps of each movement. Some will add calf and abs exercises, but those would be placed at the very end of the workout.

Squats
BB rows
bench
overhead press
BB curls

There is also the classic 5X5 full body workout....5 sets of 5 reps.
Squat
BB row
Bench

Many different ways and different exercise for any full body workout. Keep in mind the general rule of thumb of doing the heavier movement first in line. Give the most attention, and effort, to the bigger growing exercise like the full squat. Or even Dl to stat a workout.

Good luck




if i squat first the rest of the workout is boned
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: oldtimer1 on September 26, 2014, 09:02:54 PM
I have use a full body routines many times. They are very effective but they are brutal. It's not a beginners routine and split routines are easier.

You should work the largest body parts first when you have the most amount of energy down to the smallest. It's just common sense and that's was always emphasized by Arthur Jones. So squats should be first unless a power exercise is used such as cleans and snatches. An exemption is used if two pressing exercises are back to back.

The whole body routine that I used looked like this. No warm ups listed. Sets to failure done twice to three times a week.

Power cleans 3 x 3
squats 2 x 8 then 1x1
lunges 1 x 8
standing leg curl 2 x 12

flat dumbbell press 2 x 8

pull ups 2 xmax
Low v handle seated cable row 2 x 12

military press 2 x 8
dumbbell laterals 2 x 10

barbell curls 2 x 10
weighted dips 2 x 10

hanging leg raise 2 x max
ab pulley crunches 2 x 25

standing calf raise 2 x 15

neck and grip work.

I would do this workout 6 times. I would see what my goal was at the end of 6 workouts and back off the weight 5lbs to 10lbs a workout from my goal. So if my goal was 300lbs for 8 reps on workout six then the first weight used would be 250lbs. Monday 250lbs, Wednesday 260, and Friday 270.  It wouldn't matter if monday was too light. It will soon get hard enough and proper form and range of motion will make it hard. After the six workouts I would completely change the exercises for another 6 workout goal. Effective but brutal. See how you feel compared to doing a split. Fatigue is systemic and not localized to the muscle worked. It's a superior way to train.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Straw Man on October 20, 2014, 04:46:11 PM
I've been doing full body workouts for about 2 weeks now.
I've worked out for 30 years and have never done full body in one day this is a change

I do legs last in the workout and most days I do just one set of squats after having done 2 sets of leg extensions and 2 sets of leg press (after warm up on both) and then one set of squats for 12-15 reps.

The sequence I do is

Chest/Back - alternate so  a set of incline and then a set of pullups as an example
Delts -
Bis/Tris - supersetted like chest and back
Quads  
Hams  
Calves
Forearms
Abs (this is the one thing I will skip sometimes)


The workout takes about 2 hours but I'm liking it a lot so far
I will usually use rest pause or drop/strip sets on the last set of the last exercise for each bodypart
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Yev33 on October 20, 2014, 05:40:49 PM
Here is how I set mine up

Workout A
Barbell Rows
Db shoulder press
Reverse lunges
Barbell curls
Incline crunches

Workout B
Bench press
Weighted pull ups
Romanian deadlifts
Rope press downs
Standing calf raises

Workout C
Front squats
Close grip incline press
One arm rows
Rear delt raises
Hanging leg raises

I will switch the excercises and the order once I cant make progress anymore.

Its not the traditional full body split but I always do a press, back, and a lower body movement every workout.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Straw Man on October 29, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
After doing 3x per week full body workout for about 3 weeks I switched it to 1 day on (still full body) and 2 days off and this seems to be a perfect rest interval for me (at least for now).   

Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: jpm101 on October 29, 2014, 08:12:34 PM
Yeah, a lot of men will do Monday and Thursday full body workouts. And repeat again the following Monday. Gives that extra boost to rest/recovery time and progress seems more steady from workout to workout. Even keeps the interest higher when hitting the gym again.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: scottt on October 29, 2014, 08:25:51 PM
One on two off full body has worked well for me. I work the same way so its perfect for me.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 31, 2014, 10:38:20 AM
Squats = Power

Power comes first.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Straw Man on October 15, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
Steve Reeves and Leroy Colbert  both put them last.

I've been doing full body 3x a week again and I always do them last

Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Sokolsky on October 18, 2015, 05:28:14 PM

if i squat first the rest of the workout is boned

Depends on how often you squat and how used you are to either volume/intensity. Once you squat frequently and don't go overboard on volume you should be fine. I work-up daily to 420-440 for a single and then drop down to 405-415 for 3x3 working sets. This seems to work for me in building strength (still progressing) and does not have a severe impact on the rest of my training.

Also, keep in mind that the squat is a whole-body exercise, if you do it after having trained for example your back, you run the risk of injury due to tightness or lack of tightness. Might not be relevant for you, but this is what I have found throughout the years.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on October 18, 2015, 06:09:06 PM
Depends on how often you squat and how used you are to either volume/intensity. Once you squat frequently and don't go overboard on volume you should be fine. I work-up daily to 420-440 for a single and then drop down to 405-415 for 3x3 working sets. This seems to work for me in building strength (still progressing) and does not have a severe impact on the rest of my training.

Also, keep in mind that the squat is a whole-body exercise, if you do it after having trained for example your back, you run the risk of injury due to tightness or lack of tightness. Might not be relevant for you, but this is what I have found throughout the years.


It depends for me?

Dumbass
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Sokolsky on October 18, 2015, 06:29:36 PM

It depends for me?

Dumbass

Yea, depends for you too.
Asshole.

Anyways, post was more directed at Lizzy than at you. Just happens I replied to yours.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on October 18, 2015, 06:48:52 PM
Yea, depends for you too.
Asshole.

Anyways, post was more directed at Lizzy than at you. Just happens I replied to yours.


You must be new to the Internet.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Sokolsky on October 18, 2015, 06:54:31 PM

You must be new to the Internet.

You must be used to guzzling cum.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 19, 2015, 08:19:51 AM
Full Body workouts I always alternate Deadlifts with Squats but Both are too much in one workout. Only exception being Squats and Stiff Deads for Hammies if needed. I like..

Incline bench
BB rows(curl grip)
Clean and press
BB Squats

This was my workout today 3 sets per ex 8-10 reps. Strength is getting better.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: chaos on October 20, 2015, 08:06:30 AM
Settle down fellas.

I would do squats first or second in a full body routine. Towards the end seems like you might make yourself more prone to injury.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on October 20, 2015, 03:08:30 PM
Settle down fellas.

I would do squats first or second in a full body routine. Towards the end seems like you might make yourself more prone to injury.


Apparently it depends.

I think somebody's wearing adult Diapers
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 20, 2015, 11:20:17 PM
Donīt buy this theory of doing squats first because you are full of energy..etc. Legs last after say clean and press and upper body. you are warmed up and ready. I think you are LESS prone to injury this way. Infact i like doing leg work after cardio sometimes as blood is pumping round my body and my tendons,ligaments are all ready for leg press/squats.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: chaos on October 21, 2015, 06:55:26 AM
I suppose if you are using pre-teen girl weights you could do squats after your upper body is fatigued, cause there's a really good chance you'll lose form, lean forward and hurt yourself doing squats later in the routine.

But to each his own. :)
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: jpm101 on October 21, 2015, 09:56:09 AM
The more serious heavy compound exercises, like squats or DL's will certainly boost the metabolism greatly, which in return releases growth chemicals/hormones into the blood stream; hence the muscle cells themselves become larger, with strength also increasing.. The squat & DL are whole body movements, from the feet to the neck.

Some have used only the squat or DL as a one exercise workout (no other exercises in that workout) and found muscular gains in the chest, back and even arms. Stimulating  natural HGH are a factor here.  Squats or DL require a lot of expended energy if done with serious intent. Reason why they should be done as a first exercise in any full body, short workout plan, to take full advantage of their benefits. Having them at the end of a full body workout is self defeating, because full justice can not be done to these exercises.

Might be a surprise to some, but even higher reps with the squats and DL's can produce wonderful results. Some of my best gains were with heavy 20 rep breathing squats. Also used this method with DL's, Hack BB squats. The ultimate (my veiw only) is the squat clean and jerk-press, from 12 to 20 reps. Think your in cardio shape, than give this one exercise a serious try.  Might be surprises.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 21, 2015, 10:57:06 AM
I suppose if you are using pre-teen girl weights you could do squats after your upper body is fatigued, cause there's a really good chance you'll lose form, lean forward and hurt yourself doing squats later in the routine.

But to each his own. :)
Steve Reeves did quite well thank you. However thank you for your words of wisdom...
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: chaos on October 21, 2015, 11:58:56 AM
Steve Reeves did quite well thank you. However thank you for your words of wisdom...
I'm happy for him. Any links to videos of his workouts?
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 21, 2015, 12:03:15 PM
I'm happy for him. Any links to videos of his workouts?
do your own research.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: chaos on October 21, 2015, 12:14:26 PM
do your own research.
Rather go with personal experience and common sense, something sorely lacking in this thread recently.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 21, 2015, 12:17:20 PM
Rather go with personal experience and common sense, something sorely lacking in this thread recently.
now donīt start getting upset again. As a mod you should set an example and be mature..
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: chaos on October 21, 2015, 12:20:52 PM
now donīt start getting upset again. As a mod you should set an example and be mature..
I don't get upset, just pointing out common sense says if your upper body is fatigued late in a full body routine, it's highly doubtful you'll be able to lift with significant weight in squats.
It's quite simple really. But I'm sure it will be over complicated as usual.
K.I.S.S. ;)
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 21, 2015, 12:32:42 PM
I don't get upset, just pointing out common sense says if your upper body is fatigued late in a full body routine, it's highly doubtful you'll be able to lift with significant weight in squats.
It's quite simple really. But I'm sure it will be over complicated as usual.
K.I.S.S. ;)
I recommend "Building the classic physique the natural way" by steve reeves. Itīs a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Sokolsky on October 21, 2015, 01:20:08 PM
I don't get upset, just pointing out common sense says if your upper body is fatigued late in a full body routine, it's highly doubtful you'll be able to lift with significant weight in squats.
It's quite simple really. But I'm sure it will be over complicated as usual.
K.I.S.S. ;)

Hence why I said it 'depends', something which the likes of WOOO couldn't grasp. Unless you're used to frequent squatting, and being under load, it's not advisable  to do squats secondary to other exercises, as you're indeed more likely to compromise your form due to fatigue.


Especially with squats, you're more likely to fail due to weakness/fatigue elsewhere than the legs. Hence why (usually) you can legpress a whole lot more than you can squat, highlighting the required involvement of a multitude of other musclegroups. 




Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on October 21, 2015, 04:37:54 PM
Hence why I said it 'depends', something which the likes of WOOO couldn't grasp. Unless you're used to frequent squatting, and being under load, it's not advisable  to do squats secondary to other exercises, as you're indeed more likely to compromise your form due to fatigue.

Especially with squats, you're more likely to fail due to weakness/fatigue elsewhere than the legs. Hence why (usually) you can legpress a whole lot more than you can squat, highlighting the required involvement of a multitude of other musclegroups. 


It depends.



And leg press allows more weight to be used for everyone because you're not lifting it. You're moving it at an angle thereby effectively moving a much smaller percentage... Usually between 40-55 percent.


You're totally out to lunch.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Sokolsky on October 21, 2015, 05:16:46 PM
It depends.



And leg press allows more weight to be used for everyone because you're not lifting it. You're moving it at an angle thereby effectively moving a much smaller percentage... Usually between 40-55 percent.


You're totally out to lunch.

It's alright babe, keep spewing shit cupcake  :-*
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on October 21, 2015, 05:34:24 PM
It's alright babe, keep spewing shit cupcake  :-*


Complete fail. And repeated breaches of training board rules will get you banned.


You've been wrong twice so far in this thread alone and have misposted once.

I'm keeping score for you. Don't trust your ability to count.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Sokolsky on October 21, 2015, 05:49:36 PM

Complete fail. And repeated breaches of training board rules will get you banned.


You've been wrong twice so far in this thread alone and have misposted once.

I'm keeping score for you. Don't trust your ability to count.

Do elaborate with your infinite wisdom which hasn't contributed anything at all.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: jpm101 on October 21, 2015, 06:33:33 PM
The difference between the weight used in full squats and the leg press is that the all important lower and upper back is braced firmly when doing leg presses, as is the total upper body. With the leg press, the legs are the only group actually in motion (ballistics)

With the squat, the lower back, and total upper body does not have the benefit of any support/brace at all.  The question of balance, shifting of weight and control of the bar on the shoulders becomes that more vital. With squats the whole body (upper and lower) is in motion. In this case the body uses a lot of energy fighting inertia, with less actual strength pushing with the legs/hips & butt. In any case, the lower back can be the key to either the leg press (braced/supported) or squat  (non support). The distance of a weight traveled will also have a greater influence on how much weight is used in a exercise. And the benefits obtained..

Some guys who have only done legs press, and never squats, can crack off 2000lbs for reps on the leg press. But might have trouble squatting 400lbs with full squats. Distance and angle of  effort also play a role.

Personal view...please do what you think is best for you: If wanting rapid muscle growth and strength , would always include squats  (in whatever form) in any serious workout. If a pure BB'er, than throw in lighter squats with leg press as a general pumping up and muscle movement.  

Good Luck.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 22, 2015, 04:28:18 AM
Yes...yes... the squat is a great exercise but not a miracle exercise. I myself like volume but i on the other hand like Abbreviated training at times with the squat and deadlift being the nucleus of the workouts. However if we are talking Bodybuilding then itīs not just about exercise selection but also training principles used. I can make 10 kilos feel like 40 if i know what i am doing. A bodybuilder uses his intelligence to overload and TARGET his muscles...adopting a weight lifters attitude will not cut it...
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: chaos on October 22, 2015, 07:17:13 AM
Yes...yes... the squat is a great exercise but not a miracle exercise. I myself like volume but i on the other hand like Abbreviated training at times with the squat and deadlift being the nucleus of the workouts. However if we are talking Bodybuilding then itīs not just about exercise selection but also training principles used. I can make 10 kilos feel like 40 if i know what i am doing. A bodybuilder uses his intelligence to overload and TARGET his muscles...adopting a weight lifters attitude will not cut it...

Spoken like someone that uses youtube to educate himself on how to be a personal trainer.  :-\
As a person progresses, plain old common sense should prevail in figuring out what works for each persons goal and body.

Good luck
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 22, 2015, 07:26:49 AM
Spoken like someone that uses youtube to educate himself on how to be a personal trainer.  :-\
As a person progresses, plain old common sense should prevail in figuring out what works for each persons goal and body.

Good luck
Dude climb down of your high horse.  :D
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 22, 2015, 07:29:45 AM
Chaos i have Qualifications which i am sure you would not understand and also i learned this in a Foreign language. Now go to school in Germany and learn Sport und Fitnesskaufmann and we will talk.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: jpm101 on October 22, 2015, 09:23:35 AM
Pretty much agree with Chaos.

 With donny, not having any actually hands on experience with serious weight training and obtaining  his "knowledge" from Youtube, while sitting in front of a computer 24/7  (still on the dole?) on his well padded  butt, will give Zero credibility to any qualifications he may boast about. Might as well copy and paste, which he probably does any way.

Why his desperate need for notice is beyond most people on here. I neither like or dislike him, I only has pity for him.  Might be better served if he  sought help through mental health professionals.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 22, 2015, 09:37:57 AM
Pretty much agree with Chaos.

 With donny (small d for a small man), not having any actually hands on experience with serious weight training and obtaining  his "knowledge" from Youtube, while sitting in front of a computer 24/7  (still on the dole?) on his well padded fat butt, will give Zero credibility to any qualifications he may boast about. Might as well copy and paste, which he probably does any way.

Why his desperate need for notice is beyond most people on here. I neither like or dislike him, I only has pity for him.  Might be better served if he  sought help through mental health professionals.
made me laugh. tell you what JPM post your Qualifications and i will do the same. Also Martial Arts.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Melkor on October 22, 2015, 09:42:00 AM
Squats = Power

Power comes first.

I agree that power movements should come first in the training session but surely squats are a much better strength training movement?

Jumps, plyometrics, olympic lift variations and maximal effort short sprints are probably better options for training power production. I know that it is good advice anyway to treat the concentric portion of a squat as a power movement (i.e. fast out of the bottom) but unless you are performing dynamic-type speed squat variations, a 5RM in the squat will not be a power movement but largely a strength-based movement.

For me, I find that performing box jumps or broad jumps make me much more explosive out of the bottom of a squat.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 22, 2015, 10:08:13 AM
If Squating for leg development Front squats are better..power back squats.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: chaos on October 22, 2015, 11:13:16 AM
Chaos i have Qualifications which i am sure you would not understand and also i learned this in a Foreign language. Now go to school in Germany and learn Sport und Fitnesskaufmann and we will talk.
Maybe the language barrier is why you don't know what you're talking about  ???
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 22, 2015, 11:17:07 AM
Maybe the language barrier is why you don't know what you're talking about  ???
Language Barrier? Listen you learn what i did in a Foreign language. If you want proof iīll send it to Ron.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: chaos on October 22, 2015, 11:56:16 AM
Language Barrier? Listen you learn what i did in a Foreign language. If you want proof iīll send it to Ron.
Post pics of all your competitive bodybuilding clients. Feel free to black out their faces.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: jpm101 on October 22, 2015, 02:20:58 PM
Would think with all his boasting, and never the shy one about bragging about his successes, donny would be overjoyed showing us lesser humans the pictures and video's of his greatness and his ultimate personal workouts. Perhaps a front and back most muscular pose would do.

 Lets see: trainer of champion's, conferences with former BB'ing legends, master martial arts guru , boxer...king of the ring and war hero. Congrats for these staggering accomplishments.

God bless donny, the family man, with wife and two son..as he has mentioned a few times. Mentioning many more times is the desire of sniffing the dirty panties worn by young girls.  Unless he erased those past and present post...there all on GB. Donny is good at covering up and  erasing some of his past post. Another one of his accomplishments.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on October 22, 2015, 07:38:11 PM
It all depends
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Sokolsky on October 22, 2015, 11:40:22 PM
I agree that power movements should come first in the training session but surely squats are a much better strength training movement?

Jumps, plyometrics, olympic lift variations and maximal effort short sprints are probably better options for training power production. I know that it is good advice anyway to treat the concentric portion of a squat as a power movement (i.e. fast out of the bottom) but unless you are performing dynamic-type speed squat variations, a 5RM in the squat will not be a power movement but largely a strength-based movement.

For me, I find that performing box jumps or broad jumps make me much more explosive out of the bottom of a squat.

Ideally your 1RM squat will look just the same as your 3RM or 5RM. So I don't necessarily agree with squats being largely a strength-based movement, but this is taking into account that in my personal view 'grinding' out reps doesn't contribute much in the long-run to strength training as they're likely to set you up for injuries due to breakdown of form.

Agreed with the rest though.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on October 23, 2015, 03:02:00 AM
Ideally your 1RM squat will look just the same as your 3RM or 5RM. So I don't necessarily agree with squats being largely a strength-based movement, but this is taking into account that in my personal view 'grinding' out reps doesn't contribute much in the long-run to strength training as they're likely to set you up for injuries due to breakdown of form.

Agreed with the rest though.



It really depends
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Donny on October 23, 2015, 03:27:05 AM
Would think with all his boasting, and never the shy one about bragging about his successes, donny would be overjoyed showing us lesser humans the pictures and video's of his greatness and his ultimate personal workouts. Perhaps a front and back most muscular pose would do.

 Lets see: trainer of champion's, conferences with former BB'ing legends, master martial arts guru , boxer...king of the ring and war hero. Congrats for these staggering accomplishments.

God bless donny, the family man, with wife and two son..as he has mentioned a few times. Mentioning many more times is the desire of sniffing the dirty panties worn by young girls.  Unless he erased those past and present post...there all on GB. Donny is good at covering up and  erasing some of his past post. Another one of his accomplishments.
Why are you bringing Panties into this? I thought we were talking about Squats. are you still teaching 1 arm chins for Golf training? Your Senior group... ;D You are like a head shrink.. you write long winded posts about nothing. Blah..Blah...Blah...  tomorrow i have a nice meeting with a very elegant,intelligent woman. I will think of you as i remove her panty... ;)
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Sokolsky on October 23, 2015, 07:23:56 AM


It really depends

It truly does. Had your parents aborted you, we wouldn't have to deal with your dumbass on here.

Yet another great contribution WOOO, keep up the good work. Maybe you'll be released from kindergarten at some stage.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: jpm101 on October 23, 2015, 08:18:32 AM
Wonder how much that women will be charging donny..probably get a cheap rate by the minute for him.

Guess his marriage is a bit shaky when donny has to pay for some time with another women. How much will she charge for the dirty panty's I wonder.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on October 23, 2015, 03:59:50 PM
It truly does. Had your parents aborted you, we wouldn't have to deal with your dumbass on here.

Yet another great contribution WOOO, keep up the good work. Maybe you'll be released from kindergarten at some stage.


 ::)


Wrong board again champ.


Guess it depends.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Sokolsky on October 23, 2015, 04:11:21 PM

 ::)


Wrong board again champ.


Guess it depends.

What is the right board then babe?

Edit:
Actually, scratch that. Nothing useful coming from you.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: WOOO on October 24, 2015, 02:19:16 AM
What is the right board then babe?

Edit:
Actually, scratch that. Nothing useful coming from you.


That also depends.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: plastic on November 02, 2015, 11:11:55 PM
I split upper body mon and thurs, lower body tues and Friday.  Squats and deadlifts in that order on lowerbody day. Useful reading anything by Charles Poliquin. Rest intervals and time under tension both require scrutiny. My general rule is 90 secs (timed with a stop watch) for upper body. 2 min to 3 mjnutes on lower body depending how huffy puffy i feel toward end of sets for squats. They tap me out. Currently doing 8x8 @ 60% of 1 rep max. Following this protocol for 6 weeks then Will be changjng to 5x5 @ 85% of  1 rep max.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: falco on November 03, 2015, 03:58:12 AM
    I can't do a decent full body routine in one workout. If i try, when i go from either upper body to legs or legs to upper body i feel some dizzyness. I only do either upper body or lower body in one session.
 
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Sokolsky on November 06, 2015, 09:59:06 AM
Question regarding recovery time needed;
How long does it take you guys to recover from highbar/lowbar/frontsquat?
And do you alternate between them (if at all?).

I (highbar)backsquat almost daily with a habbit of frontsquatting maybe twice a week. Now I'm somewhat dabbling with the idea of introducing lowbar squats, but I'm not real familiar with the recovery time needed for heavy(ish) workouts?
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: IroNat on September 06, 2016, 03:27:55 PM
Bringing this thread back from the dead...

You could do squats first or later in a full-body routine for a few reasons.

One reason is to do the most difficult exercise first when your energy is high.

Another reason to do them first would be if your legs are sub-par and need priority.

Vice-versa if your legs are great (like Steve Reeves) you might do your squats last and give priority to a weaker body part by putting that first.

Steve Reeves' Mr. America routine: http://www.davidgentle.com/ironindex/reeves.htm (http://www.davidgentle.com/ironindex/reeves.htm)

"For the chest

    Wide grip bench press three x 10 reps.
    Inclined press, arms outward, 3 sets of 12 reps.

For the deltoids (shoulders)

    Front raise 3 to 5 sets x 10 reps.

For lats

    Overhead downward pull on the lats bar 3 x 12 reps.
    Rowing 3 x 12 reps.
    Cable pulley rowing 3 x 15 reps.

For triceps any extension movement

    Using dumbbell with both hands 3 x 10 ,
    Triceps extension 3 x 10, decreasing weights at each set.

For the bicep

    incline preacher bench curl, 5 to 6 sets of 10 reps.

For thighs

    Front squat on a high block 3 x 15 reps
    Hack squat 3 x 15 reps
    Legs curl4 x 10 reps

For Calves

    toe press on the legs machine using high reps and large number of sets and, For lower back

Hyperextensions 4 x 12 reps"
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: Boban on September 10, 2016, 03:43:28 AM
Most people save them for last.

I've been doing them second, right after benches.

This way I'm still pretty fresh, and, I give my delts some time to recover before shoulder presses.

Sure, I'm in some pretty heavy oxygen debt by the last set, but, I get my wind back after a few minutes.
Either leave them last or do the first. But I'd go with first.
Title: Re: Squats in a full body routine. When do you do them?
Post by: jpm101 on September 19, 2016, 09:31:38 AM
General rule of thumb in lifting is to do the heavier compound exercises first, when full attention and more energy is invested in them.

There is more demand on the body when doing  heavier compound movement like squats, DL's,cleans, etc, because they help set up the metabolism for increases in strength and growth. A high functioning metabolism can release natural body homones, and other related chemicals, into the blood stream and into each cell. A very import element for quicker progressive growth and strength. Doing curls or lateral raises go far in not even coming close to the benefit of heavier compound movements.

With a full body workout, most guy's do too many exercise and too many sets in such a program.  You want a brief and to the point workout, which can be very intense, when approached the correct way. Also want enough time between workouts to allow recovery time, for the CNS. A full body workout is generally set up for 2 or 3 days a week, never more. That would be self defeating.

The old Bill Star full body work (several versions of 3 to 5 exercise each workout) which was know as 5X5's gave some pretty good results in a shorter length of time.  Though Bill Star wan not the first, by any means, to come up with this style of program.  If you do more reps, 10-12 with a more moderate weight for example, than decrease the set to 3-4 per workout. BB'ing is not about how many sets for a body area, but how many total reps are done. Sets only break down the total amount of reps into a more manageable number. Quite a different between 5X5=25 reps and doing 25 straight reps in one set.

The original 20 rep breathing squat program was one of the first. Where pullovers (straight/bent arm) were included after the set of squats. This is a brutal way to train, but added a lot of muscle to men over the years. I made some of my best gains with 20-25 rep breathing squat and the bent arm pullover & press.....he only exercise I did in a workout.

A simple full body workout would be...with 5X5's in mind. Also keeping in mind a brief, but intense, workout.

squats
BB  rows
Bench
Up-right row (EZ bar..if handy)

If insecurity's reach a point that you must to do triceps or biceps (or both) and/or calves, than might suggest 2-3 sets max.  And if you could do those arm exercise a few hours after the main workout, so much the better.

Good Luck.