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Signs 100 million dollar contract and shows up to Spring Training looking like this
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Last three years:
Chase Headley: .262/.352/.429 OPS .781 HR 57 WAR: 13.6 dWar 2.4 4 years / 52M
Pablo Sandoval: .280/.335/.424 OPS .759 HR 42 WAR: 8.2 dWar -.1 5 years / 95M
Both players played in pitcher friendly parks for most of that sample. Sandoval is 2 years younger, and 2 people fatter.
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Signs 100 million dollar contract and shows up to Spring Training looking like this
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reminds me of john "i ain't no athlete lady", kruk.... great conditioning.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Last three years:
Chase Headley: .262/.352/.429 OPS .781 HR 57 WAR: 13.6 dWar 2.4 4 years / 52M
Pablo Sandoval: .280/.335/.424 OPS .759 HR 42 WAR: 8.2 dWar -.1 5 years / 95M
Both players played in pitcher friendly parks for most of that sample. Sandoval is 2 years younger, and 2 people fatter.
Those stats don't show clutch.
I don't think the Giants win two of those world series rings without Pablo. He was that good.
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Those stats don't show clutch.
I don't think the Giants win two of those world series rings without Pablo. He was that good.
He has performed well in the post season. That doesn't not make it any more likely / unlikely that he will again.
Either way, that is a small sample. Over the majority of games played in the last three years, Headley has outperformed Sandoval by a decent margin. The 43M more Sandoval got is crazy, or the Yankess got a huge bargain.
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He has performed well in the post season. That doesn't not make it any more likely / unlikely that he will again.
Either way, that is a small sample. Over the majority of games played in the last three years, Headley has outperformed Sandoval by a decent margin. The 43M more Sandoval got is crazy, or the Yankess got a huge bargain.
The way they throw out long term deals in baseball is moronic.
How hard is it to sign people to 3 or 4 year deals? Why do these front office morons continue to sign 8-10 year deals.
Look at Arod, Pujols, Hamilton etc...... they simply don't end well.
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The way they throw out long term deals in baseball is moronic.
How hard is it to sign people to 3 or 4 year deals? Why do these front office morons continue to sign 8-10 year deals.
Look at Arod, Pujols, Hamilton etc...... they simply don't end well.
Agree completely.
The reason they do is because some owner/GM is always willing to take the risk, so it becomes necessary to procure the player. It's what NY is dealing with now - players on the wrong side of the contract.
We're seeing it shift....a bit. LTDs are given out to younger players in lieu of arb years. Older players aren't fairing as well, although the elite who are older like Scherzer are still going to get paid.
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The way they throw out long term deals in baseball is moronic.
How hard is it to sign people to 3 or 4 year deals? Why do these front office morons continue to sign 8-10 year deals.
Look at Arod, Pujols, Hamilton etc...... they simply don't end well.
giancarlo stanton is the worse right now 315 million for a guy who never hit 40 homers yet and has a hard time staying on the field....early on they said he had bad knees did someone forget something....
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Rangers infielder, former No. 1 prospect Jurickson Profar may miss a second straight season
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Rangers infielder Jurickson Profar, who ranked as one of the elite prospects in baseball before missing all of last season with a shoulder injury, is now in danger of missing a second consecutive season following news that he needs surgery.
Profar initially opted for rest and rehab instead of going under the knife, but now T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com reports that a recent MRI exam showed “increased strain on the subscapularis muscle in his right shoulder.” There’s no official recovery timetable yet, but obviously it’s not good.
Profar debuted for the Rangers in 2012 as a 19-year-old, after which both Baseball America and MLB.com rated him as the No. 1 prospect in baseball. He then played 85 games as a 20-year-old rookie in 2013, but now his future is very much in question and Texas’ incredible injury woes are carrying over to another year.
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He was supposed to be a can't miss - drafted him in my FFB league his first year.
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He was supposed to be a can't miss - drafted him in my FFB league his first year.
2 years ago was the top prospect in baseball and now his career is in question at the age of 21.
Crazy story.
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2 years ago was the top prospect in baseball and now his career is in question at the age of 21.
Crazy story.
It's one of the reasons why, as a Yankee fan, I never cared when they traded prospects for established players.
It's so hard to become a good MLB player.
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It's one of the reasons why, as a Yankee fan, I never cared when they traded prospects for established players.
It's so hard to become a good MLB player.
Yeah that's what the guys on the radio were talking about. Trading for proven players should always be something to think about if a good deal is on the table.
Then the discussion came up about about a big time prospect The Rangers have named Joey Gallo. 6'5 guy built like Josh Hamilton who has been hitting a ton of long distant home runs in Double A.
But the guys weren't too keen at the idea of letting him go. :-\
Sometimes it's easy to get caught up in the hype, no doubt about it.
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Yeah that's what the guys on the radio were talking about. Trading for proven players should always be something to think about if a good deal is on the table.
Then the discussion came up about about a big time prospect The Rangers have named Joey Gallo. 6'5 guy built like Josh Hamilton who has been hitting a ton of long distant home runs in Double A.
But the guys weren't too keen at the idea of letting him go. :-\
Sometimes it's easy to get caught up in the hype, no doubt about it.
I guess it depends on the situation the club is in at the time. If they're a contender, they need to go for the title. If not, best to hold on.
Funny thing about the Yankees though - their rep was always free agents, free agents, free agents.....but, during that time over 40% of the roster was generally from their farm. I guess it just comes down to continuously drafting well to have the balance.
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I guess it depends on the situation the club is in at the time. If they're a contender, they need to go for the title. If not, best to hold on.
Funny thing about the Yankees though - their rep was always free agents, free agents, free agents.....but, during that time over 40% of the roster was generally from their farm. I guess it just comes down to continuously drafting well to have the balance.
What's going on with A-Rod?
Is he going to have any impact whatsoever with The Yankees this year?
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What's going on with A-Rod?
Is he going to have any impact whatsoever with The Yankees this year?
Part of me is holding out hope he'll hit 20-25 HRs because his injuries were degenerative and repaired, and he's had a full year off to get healthy.
The other part of me says he's 39 years old and hasn't played pro baseball in over a year...so.....meh.
Yanks need a lot to click right. If it does, they can contend. A few wrinkles, and they'll be in trouble. ARod performing decently would be nice.
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Part of me is holding out hope he'll hit 20-25 HRs because his injuries were degenerative and repaired, and he's had a full year off to get healthy.
The other part of me says he's 39 years old and hasn't played pro baseball in over a year...so.....meh.
Yanks need a lot to click right. If it does, they can contend. A few wrinkles, and they'll be in trouble. ARod performing decently would be nice.
For some reason that whole story fascinates me more than anything else in this upcoming season.
New York Media. The Fans. His career stats. His past history with PED's. So many factors involved.
Gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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For some reason that whole story fascinates me more than anything else in this upcoming season.
New York Media. The Fans. His career stats. His past history with PED's. So many factors involved.
Gonna be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I don't care for ARod....but it's weird how guys like him and Bonds are vilified, and the most roidy of roiding roiders like Ortiz skate for the most part. I actually see sox fans mocking ARod for PEDs. Unbelievable, since Manny and Ortiz are confirmed users who were major parts of their two titles since their drought.
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Yu Darvish Mulls Tommy John Surgery
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SURPRISE, Ariz. -- Rangers ace Yu Darvish might need season-ending Tommy John surgery after an MRI exam revealed partially torn ligaments in his troublesome right elbow.
Texas general manager Jon Daniels said Saturday that Darvish could try to pitch through the injury, rest it for up to four months or undergo surgery.
Daniels said the club would get a second opinion this weekend but indicated surgery may be the preferred option.
"The concern with the first two options is, are you delaying the inevitable?" Daniels said.
Darvish, a three-time All-Star, was shut down for the final seven weeks last season with inflammation in the same elbow. He underwent an MRI exam around Thanksgiving that came back clean, and had not experienced any trouble in workouts and bullpen sessions.
He first felt tightness while warming up in the bullpen before Thursday's game against Kansas City. He throttled back to protect the elbow while throwing 12 pitches in his only inning. Afterward, Darvish said through a translator he did not think the injury was serious. He had an MRI late Friday.
"I will be disappointed if I have to miss this season, but I want to look at all the options including getting a second opinion before I make a final decision," Darvish said in a statement Saturday. "My heart is with my teammates and our focus remains on accomplishing our goals."
Darvish will remain at camp while a second surgeon studies the MRI exam results. If surgery is required, it would likely happen in the next couple of weeks. That could give Darvish enough time to fully recover before the start of next season.
"Given the news, he's handled it extremely well," Daniels said. "He's very pragmatic about it. He's talking to the people he's close to before making a decision."
The news is a significant blow to the Rangers, who went through a devastating series of injuries last year. The club set a record for most players on a 25-man roster in a single season, and needed 40 pitchers to get through 162 games -- three of them position players. The starting rotation alone required 14 different pitchers, nobody making more than 25 starts.
Darvish was limited to 22 starts between neck stiffness that caused him to miss the beginning of the season the elbow inflammation that caused him to be shut down late in the season.
He was still effective, going 10-7 with a 3.20 ERA. But he seemed to lack the same kind of life on his pitches that he had his first two years, when he was in the running for rookie of the year and then logged more than 200 innings while leading the majors in strikeouts.
"I feel bad for him. I have empathy for him," first-year Rangers manager Jeff Banister said. "No doubt, there's some feeling there. You never feel good about any athlete in any sport that has some obstacles that they need to overcome."
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My word. They should just all get the surgery at 12...
It's insane how many pitchers need this.
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My word. They should just all get the surgery at 12...
It's insane how many pitchers need this.
It's a mechanical issue. To much torque on the shoulder trying to throw harder.
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My word. They should just all get the surgery at 12...
It's insane how many pitchers need this.
Takes so long to recover from too....They are saying up to 18 months in some cases. :-\
It's such a freaky deal too. Last week all I'm hearing is "Yu is getting more into the team, working hard on his English, looking good physically"
A few short days later...Tommy John Surgery.
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Cliff Lee: Surgery could possible end career
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CLEARWATER, Fla. -- Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Cliff Lee is awaiting a second opinion from Dr. James Andrews on his ailing left elbow and says surgery would end his season and possibly his career.
The 36-year-old left-hander didn't pitch after July 31 last year because of a flexor pronator strain in his left elbow. He said the elbow felt normal as he threw two scoreless innings Thursday against Houston in his spring training debut, but he felt discomfort the next day. An MRI on Sunday revealed "very mild inflammation," according to general manager Ruben Amaro Jr.
"Basically, if I have the surgery, this season will be done, possibly my career, I guess," Lee said. "I don't know. We'll have to see."
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Not called Panda for a reason, eh?
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Cliff Lee: Surgery could possible end career
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CLEARWATER, Fla. -- Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Cliff Lee is awaiting a second opinion from Dr. James Andrews on his ailing left elbow and says surgery would end his season and possibly his career.
The 36-year-old left-hander didn't pitch after July 31 last year because of a flexor pronator strain in his left elbow. He said the elbow felt normal as he threw two scoreless innings Thursday against Houston in his spring training debut, but he felt discomfort the next day. An MRI on Sunday revealed "very mild inflammation," according to general manager Ruben Amaro Jr.
"Basically, if I have the surgery, this season will be done, possibly my career, I guess," Lee said. "I don't know. We'll have to see."
Am I the only guy looking at his gamer going 'wow?'
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Last three years:
Chase Headley: .262/.352/.429 OPS .781 HR 57 WAR: 13.6 dWar 2.4 4 years / 52M
Pablo Sandoval: .280/.335/.424 OPS .759 HR 42 WAR: 8.2 dWar -.1 5 years / 95M
Both players played in pitcher friendly parks for most of that sample. Sandoval is 2 years younger, and 2 people fatter.
Headley & Sandoval probably are the two "worst" 3rd basemen in the A.L. East (yet will be the highest paid in 2015.)
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Headley & Sandoval probably are the two "worst" 3rd basemen in the A.L. East (yet will be the highest paid in 2015.)
The pay thing is irrelevant since they're the only two that made it to free agency so far.
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The pay thing is irrelevant since they're the only two that made it to free agency so far.
not when Donaldson was (apparently) available with 4 years of control.
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not when Donaldson was (apparently) available with 4 years of control.
Donaldson cost players. Headley and Sandoval only cost money.
As you've seen the Yankees and the Red Sox are holding on to prospects these days. Either way, Beane liked what Toronto had to offer. Nobody knows if he was openly available.
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Donaldson cost players. Headley and Sandoval only cost money.
As you've seen the Yankees and the Red Sox are holding on to prospects these days. Either way, Beane liked what Toronto had to offer. Nobody knows if he was openly available.
yeah but money is not unlimited ... even (apparently) for the Yankees & Red Sox.
top dollar for Sandoval and top dollar for Ramirez means less $ offered to Lester (who would've helped them more than either Panda or Hanley.)
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yeah but money is not unlimited ... even (apparently) for the Yankees & Red Sox.
top dollar for Sandoval and top dollar for Ramirez means less $ offered to Lester (who would've helped them more than either Panda or Hanley.)
Oh I agree on that font. I get signing one of Ramirez of Sandoval, but not both. Especially when you're taking a injury ridden SS and making him play LF.
If the vaunted sox farm system was so great as we've been hearing ad naseum, those moves wouldn't have been necessary, unless they flip a bunch of prospects for Hamels/someone.
My main point was that for all the hype about Panda up here, a potentially better player was acquired by their rivals for half the cost.
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My main point was that for all the hype about Panda up here, a potentially better player was acquired by their rivals for half the cost.
Yes, that's true.
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Yes, that's true.
I have NY / Tor vying for the top spot, with Boston/Baltimore in the mix for 3-4.
If NY pitchers Tanaka/Pineda get injured, I drop NY down.
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I have NY / Tor vying for the top spot, with Boston/Baltimore in the mix for 3-4.
If NY pitchers Tanaka/Pineda get injured, I drop NY down.
yeah, it's pretty wide open with no obvious beast in the east this season.
the wind came out of Toronto's sails with Marcus Stroman goin' down ...
but MAYBE - after finishing behind NY for 21 CONSECUTIVE YEARS! lol - 2015 will finally be the year that the Blue Jays top the Yankees to begin the post-Jeter era?
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yeah, it's pretty wide open with no obvious beast in the east this season.
the wind came out of Toronto's sails with Marcus Stroman goin' down ...
but MAYBE - after finishing behind NY for 21 CONSECUTIVE YEARS! lol - 2015 will finally be the year that the Blue Jays top the Yankees to begin the post-Jeter era?
They should have done that last year when Jeter WAS at shortstop. They've now improved defensively there.
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OK Joad - waiver wire in FBB opens tonight at nine. I always grab a few minor league guys who could be call ups, and can do one transaction a day.
I have no backup OFs though......I'm thinking of grabbing Dalton Pompey. What say you?
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OK Joad - waiver wire in FBB opens tonight at nine. I always grab a few minor league guys who could be call ups, and can do one transaction a day.
I have no backup OFs though......I'm thinking of grabbing Dalton Pompey. What say you?
well, Pompey's gonna get his ABs this season. They let Rasmus walk and dealt Gose to free up CF for him. The Jays only other CF option is a guy name Pillar (who injured himself sneezing last week lol) but he's more a 4th OF type. Pompey will be hitting ninth and not relied on to do very much with the bat ... just has to play solid D and be a smart baserunner. Who knows how his bat will play this season? My expectations aren't very high. He flew thru a lot of levels of baseball last year and got a taste of the big leagues in Sept ... hit his first HR off of King Felix! At year's end, Pompey could get some Rookie of the Year votes or he could be Jackie Bradley Jr.? Pompey gets extra hype in Toronto because he's the first local kid to be a starter on the team's opening day lineup in Blue Jays history.
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well, Pompey's gonna get his ABs this season. They let Rasmus walk and dealt Gose to free up CF for him. The Jays only other CF option is a guy name Pillar (who injured himself sneezing last week lol) but he's more a 4th OF type. Pompey will be hitting ninth and not relied on to do very much with the bat ... just has to play solid D and be a smart baserunner. Who knows how his bat will play this season? My expectations aren't very high. He flew thru a lot of levels of baseball last year and got a taste of the big leagues in Sept ... hit his first HR off of King Felix! At year's end, Pompey could get some Rookie of the Year votes or he could be Jackie Bradley Jr.? Pompey gets extra hype in Toronto because he's the first local kid to be a starter on the team's opening day lineup in Blue Jays history.
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Boom...that is context you don't get on the 'net.....thank you.....
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Boom...that is context you don't get on the 'net.....thank you.....
I read a couple days ago that A-Rod cranked another homer and is batting around .270.
Maybe the Yankees have found their DH??
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I read a couple days ago that A-Rod cranked another homer and is batting around .270.
Maybe the Yankees have found their DH??
He hit an HR off a 98 mph fastball, so that's good.
But, a season is a long time, not expecting much, but would love it if he's productive.
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Tom Joad - is Castro officially the closer now?