I am 3 minutes into the video. This thread will be brutal!Doubtful. Nobody really cares.
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That Gif needs some closed captioning , ( bunny suit or something)
Kids? This why you stay in school.
And this is why
No amount of school is going to change him lol I honestly believe he's mentally ill and should be in therapy
Fear seeks out artificial salvation.
I hope you're doing well tbombz.
As you already know, I always wish you the very best and keep you in my thoughts.I'm glad you've found something that you feel incredibly passionate about.Tbombz, you're insane.
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I hope you're doing well tbombz.
As you already know, I always wish you the very best and keep you in my thoughts.
I'm glad you've found something that you feel incredibly passionate about.
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mental illness.
Not sure what to think about what was just seen.
He gave his son for us bitches!
Serious mental illness.
Put him on suicide watch.
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Are you saying tbombz oozes fear? That was my reaction.He probably fears his mortality at this point. Might also suffer from guilt about his past.
Tbombz is good kid8)
Just made some mistakes in life
But solid poster
tbombz is a minister now?Jesus is somewhere facepalming.
This video sure escalates around 06:00
stopped after the "god gave up his one and only son" part.
He needs green tea and meditation, not 'Jeebus'..
What a mess.
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Anyone check on ironMeister? Hope he didn't spontaneously combust from joy.
lol. He did a photoshop already but it was not pertaining to the video. I hope he does something specifically related to the video.
I have been in dialogue with ironmeister, and we have agreed to go easy on tbombz. His current state is just sad.
We wish him the best.
Wiggs is clearly puzzled!
Tell em tbombz!!God wouldn't care how loud a person shouts. God wouldn't care if the person ever spoke a word.
A man on fire for the Lord.....I love it and I understand your passion!!
Has a definite passion for the young earth creation, old earth creation, theistic evolution, atheistic evolution, macro/micro evolution discussion.....it's important to understand and consider these issues. I've read and studied these issues myself and continue to do so.
God bless you brother!
God wouldn't care how loud a person shouts. God wouldn't care if the person ever spoke a word.
A real god would be able to read your innermost thoughts.
Tell em tbombz!!
A man on fire for the Lord.....I love it and I understand your passion!!
Has a definite passion for the young earth creation, old earth creation, theistic evolution, atheistic evolution, macro/micro evolution discussion.....it's important to understand and consider these issues. I've read and studied these issues myself and continue to do so.
God bless you brother!
Bat Shit Crazy.
Tell em tbombz!!
A man on fire for the Lord.....I love it and I understand your passion!!
Has a definite passion for the young earth creation, old earth creation, theistic evolution, atheistic evolution, macro/micro evolution discussion.....it's important to understand and consider these issues. I've read and studied these issues myself and continue to do so.
God bless you brother!
Another mentally ill person.
tbombz is just showing his love for Christ and his love for others.
tbombz is just showing his love for Christ and his love for others.
Like me, he just desires for everyone to understand the reality of Christ in their lives.
Most of y'all love the entertainment factor that came with the man tbombz used to be and have no concept of what it means to become a changed man by and for Christ.
The mocking, the ridicule, the claims of mental illness are all things I can handle with no issue. I don't prefer it but I expect it, I live it, it's scriptural......believer s will be ridiculed, some cast out and some will face worse.
Y'all have a blessed day.
No, he is not. His history of drug abuse, stealing from his parents, pimping himself out, steroid addiction, HIV status has clearly has had some emotional impact on him. I am sorry, but if you cannot see this, and thinks he is doing just fine, then you're religion has totally blinded you.
The difference between you and tbombz regarding mental illness, is the extent to which your histories differ. I do not know your life story, but from what I know, you do not have the same history as tbombz. That is the fundamental difference. I do not think you are mentally ill because you love God. But I do think tbombz has problems because of his past, INDEPENDENT of his religion. And if your religion has blinded you to this, then I truly feel sorry for you that you think tbombz is doing just fine and is not in need of some additional help.
My position is super simple.....he's a man changed by and for Christ. I'm a believer in Christ....I get it, I recognize the Holy Spirit all over him. Nonbelievers either respond to his witness and desire the same relationship with God for themselves or they choose to take the change in tbombz (or myself) and justify it away and press on. You either want to know the reality of God or you don't.
tbombz is pleading with others to consider his testimony....I've done the same.
My position is super simple.....he's a man changed by and for Christ. I'm a believer in Christ....I get it, I recognize the Holy Spirit all over him. Nonbelievers either respond to his witness and desire the same relationship with God for themselves or they choose to take the change in tbombz (or myself) and justify it away and press on. You either want to know the reality of God or you don't.
tbombz is pleading with others to consider his testimony....I've done the same.
You're a good dude and I know your faith is honest. However, all I see in the tbombz video is fear and despair, a drowning man panicking
No, tbombz would also benefit from seeing a therapist, specifically someone who specializes in working with people who have just been diagnosed with a possible terminal illness (HIV). This, coupled with his extremely shady past. If you cannot see all of this behind the veil of his religion, then you are blinded. Its quite shocking that you actually believe tbombz may not benefit from seeing someone and talking about his difficulties (in my opinion, this is what you indirectly implied although you did not directly state it). What may appear as him sharing his love of Christ, I also see a broken man, who is dealing with an HIV status, which is life altering, and someone who may be trying to come to terms with his past. Thus, perhaps the need to seek out some additional services (support groups, therapist, etc.). The fact that you only see religion proves one thing: religion totally blinds people to the obvious.
Tbombz has always tried to put on a good show for people. I don't buy it for a second that he is not hurting deeply inside, based on the video, and would benefit from seeking additional services.
You're focus is only on the temporary nature of this life.....you believe there is only this life hence rising above it and perceiving and realizing the transcendent nature of God is both foreign and foolish to you. For you, far better for tbombz to seek the council of men than the saving grace of Christ.
Um, no. He should do BOTH! Whether or not there is an afterlife, tbombz still has to live in this life for another 50-60 years.
Its fine that tbombz has sought religion, but there are people who specialize in treating people with terminal illness. If you think he would not benefit from seeking the council of "man" then you are blinded. In fact, its not out of the ordinary for priests to make recommendations for people in their church to seek out support groups or therapists. The fact that you think its one or the other is very strange.
Forgive me, but you're missing it....tbombz has not sought religion.....tbombz sought Christ......ENORMOUS difference.
Religion is powerless and often infected with the foolishness of men. Christ is truth. Christ is law. Christ is life and he reveals himself to those who surrender to him.
I guess those parents who child died of diabetes because they would not give the child one insulin shot is justified. Instead, they just prayed. Why seek out the council of a doctor when they can just pray to Jesus Christ for their childs diabetes to go away? I am glad these parents were charged with manslaughter.
Sorry, but any smart religious person will tell a person to seek out appropriate council from man when deemed necessary (medical, mental, dental, etc).
Forgive me, but you're missing it....tbombz has not sought religion.....tbombz sought Christ......ENORMOUS difference.MOS I USUALLY STEER AWAY FROM THESE THREADS ,BUT WHERE DO I STAND IF I GO TO CHURCH WEEKLY AND MY CHILD IS IN A CCD PROGRAM AND RECIEVING SACREMENTS'AM I RELIGIOUS OR SEEKING CHRIST'OR AM I JUST SKIMMING THE SURFACE OF FAITH..
Religion is powerless and often infected with the foolishness of men...forget the generic notion of "religion". Christ is truth. Christ is law. Christ is life and he reveals himself to those who surrender to him.
Again, you're straw man'ing me with the notion that I'm anti-medicine, therapy, dentistry, etc.....this is not the case. My family is full of nurses of all sorts and my own father has practiced dentistry for decades and is a believer to boot!
I'm trying to convey to you that the ills of the mind and body can be overcome in Christ. It appears that you want tbombz to be mentally-ill or in need of pyscho-therapy because it aligns with your preferred worldview. The fact remains that at some point tbombz or myself or you may seek the council of a therapist and there's nothing wrong with that, but some men are made whole in mind and body through Christ and remain as such because of Christ.
Same Ole Tbombz: mentally and spiritually unhinged. Where to begin? This is a sermon in masquerade (sans bunny suit). On the surface, it's supposed to look like a good act: Born-Again wastrel is out to help save others from their sinful ways; however, below the surface, like the ass-hole of his infamous costume, we can make out the contours and attributes of its true nature, namely, T’s inability to resist his desires – in this case, an uncontrollable desire fill hisassvacuous ego. Tbombz knows, and you don't. He's smart (not); he's a savior (no). It's part of his now chronic psychological pathology.
Still,PAsster Tbombz, if you're reading this, keep preaching to your webcam. If not, there's always a possible (if not probable) return to the cooler or to the no-tell motel, from where you can always give a really good sermon from the mounted position.
Same Ole Tbombz: mentally and spiritually unhinged. Where to begin? This is a sermon in masquerade (sans bunny suit). On the surface, it's supposed to look like a good act: Born-Again wastrel is out to help save others from their sinful ways; however, below the surface, like the ass-hole of his infamous costume, we can make out the contours and attributes of its true nature, namely, T’s inability to resist his desires – in this case, an uncontrollable desire fill hisassvacuous ego. Tbombz knows, and you don't. He's smart (not); he's a savior (no). It's part of his now chronic psychological pathology.
Still,PAsster Tbombz, if you're reading this, keep preaching to your webcam. If not, there's always a possible (if not probable) return to the cooler or to the no-tell motel, from where you can always give a really good sermon from the mounted position.
MOS I USUALLY STEER AWAY FROM THESE THREADS ,BUT WHERE DO I STAND IF I GO TO CHURCH WEEKLY AND MY CHILD IS IN A CCD PROGRAM AND RECIEVING SACREMENTS'AM I RELIGIOUS OR SEEKING CHRIST'OR AM I JUST SKIMMING THE SURFACE OF FAITH..
I guess those parents who child died of diabetes because they would not give the child one insulin shot is justified. Instead, they just prayed. Why seek out the council of a doctor when they can just pray to Jesus Christ for their childs diabetes to go away? They sought Christ. Their child still died. I am glad these parents were charged with manslaughter.
Sorry, but any smart religious person will tell a person to seek out appropriate council from man when deemed necessary (medical, mental, dental, etc).
I won't at all judge what you have or haven't done because that would be arrogant and foolish of me.THANKS ...
Now, if you desire to know Christ and want to follow Christ in your own life then declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead and you will be saved.....it is that simple.
Believers in Christ are saved by grace through faith in Christ and thereby deemed righteous before the very throne of God.
We are saved from the judgment and wrath of God because of our sin that creates a gulf between us and God. It's through Christ's shed blood on Calvary's cross that our sins are forgiven....all we must do is believe. That belief can often begin with a leap of faith, but that faith will mature and solidify as the reality of God is made present in your life.....you will have the full assurance in the heart and know his reality without a doubt.
Believers are literally filled with the Holy Spirit of God and live our lives according to the will of the one we claim as Savior, Lord and God in Christ Jesus.
Religion is literally of no consequence. Salvation is through Christ alone.
You can tell he is just regurgitating stuff he's heard from pastors and likely doesn't even believe it himself.
How can you tell he doesn't believe it?
Almost 100% of what I know about God, scripture and theology is based upon what I've learned and then regurgitated from others that came before me.
Odd that the wildly reckless gloryholing tweaker in the easy-access bunny suit was the saner T.
MoS, if our friend soon relapses, runs legally afoul, harms himself or another, is "hospitalized," revisits the bathhouses and pickle parks or otherwise starts to resemble his old self, would it at all affect how you've interpreted his behavior here?
Point being, if this is truly the Holy Spirit and all, he should be permanently healed, correct?
This is the rationale of religious thinking:
Gets better = Saved by God
Screws up = Man has Free Will
A convenient way to excuse your God from any wrongdoing. ::) ::)
Odd that the wildly reckless gloryholing tweaker in the easy-access bunny suit was the saner T.
MoS, if our friend soon relapses, runs legally afoul, harms himself or another, is "hospitalized," revisits the bathhouses and pickle parks or otherwise starts to resemble his old self, would it at all affect how you've interpreted his behavior here in the vid?
Point being, if this is truly the Holy Spirit and all, he should be permanently healed, correct?
Yes, God makes starving children in Africa so they can use the free will to learn a lesson, whatever that is. Everything happens for a reason. It's all part of gods plan. ::)
I would certainly be disappointed if he fell back into his previous ways; although, I belief him to be a believer today and would encourage him if he allowed sin to compromise him once again.
If sinners were barred from churches, churches would be empty.
Believers aren't yet made perfect (or free of sin) through salvation in Christ, but we are sanctified by the Holy Spirit so that we may live in accordance with righteousness. Although that neither means that believers are infallible nor does it mean they're given a ticket to continue on in sin.....the exact opposite is true.
The believer in Christ should desire to turn completely away from their sin, but sin is a powerful, corrupting agent that is ever-present in this life. The believer will spend a lifetime seeking to overcome it.....it's a spiritual battle and if it were easy everyone would do it LOL.
What I continue to see on these boards is that folks are rooting for tbombz to fail because that failure would somehow vindicate their preferred worldview.
However there is a ton of good life knowledge and morales and values in religion. Not joking.
Yes, God makes starving children in Africa so they can use the free will to learn a lesson, whatever that is. Everything happens for a reason. It's all part of gods plan. ::)
It's just very typical of somone who messed up their life and turned to God ::)
Kind of like most people in prison.
I was messing up my life and turned to God and I give him the praise because he righted my path.I wonder if when we die, we are able to harvest our deepest thoughts relative to our lives, and basically turn on an eternal dream state.
Christ came to free mankind from sin and make mankind a slave to righteousness. You'll typically find the worst sinners in prison. No need to fix what isn't broken.
Or perhaps it's the case that God entrusted the whole of creation to his primary creation in humanity and we've squandered or stockpiled our resources and we've neglected to be the instruments of change we were meant to be. We criticize God, but the fact remains that a country like the U.S. could eradicate world hunger in a month and yet we don't. Heck the largest corporations in the U.S. could eradicate hunger in the world in a month if they chose to, but they don't. We put God on trial and blame him for our shortcomings when the world is amply established to be provide for all. We refuse accountability of our poor management of earthly resources. "I can't send money to hunger associations or give of my time because I've been waiting 24 months for my new flat screen tv....I've earned that tv!"
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Similar to major corporations, the church is a multi-billion dollar industry and can cure world hunger. Why don't they? ??? ???Good point. Why don't all of these rich and famous televangelists, represent the house of god that they benefit from?
We are not rooting for him to fail. We think he needs other help, besides the religious kind.
Plus, people have warned tbombz for YEARS!! SOOOOO many people told tbombz, like they told DA, that he was going down a dangerous path. DA failed to listen and he died. Tbombz did not listen, now he has HIV. Both cases are sad. But behind getsbigs ball-breaking attitude, A LOT of people told him to get his shit together. He didn't, now he has a life-threatening illness. So, don't play the whole, "we want him to fail." ::) ::)
There's nothing wrong with encouraging folks to get help, but you're clinging to this notion that "tbombz needs therapy" to make your argument work.Would god cure his aids if he prayed hard enough, or made more Youtube videos?
You have no belief in God hence you have no belief that mental and physical ills can be cured by God.
Yes, tbombz contracted AIDS and he's receiving medical treatment for it as he should, but you're insistence that he also needs psychotherapy is rooted in the desire to both "make your argument work", eliminate any necessity for God and conform the entire situation to your preferred worldview.
Here's the reality....this isn't about you LOL.
I think it's noble that folks cared about tbombz and wanted to encourage him to not engage in the reckless behaviors he'd now abandoned....I did the same back then.
What you appear to dislike is that he abandoned those behaviors via God's impact on his life and because he hasn't needed traditional therapy you want to forcefit a continued need for that therapy onto him.
That said, if you genuinely care for his well being you won't partake in mocking or insulting him again.
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
Would god cure his aids if he prayed hard enough, or made more Youtube videos?
Would god cure his aids if he prayed hard enough, or made more Youtube videos?
There's nothing wrong with encouraging folks to get help, but you're clinging to this notion that "tbombz needs therapy" to make your argument work.
You have no belief in God hence you have no belief that mental and physical ills can be cured by God.
Yes, tbombz contracted AIDS and he's receiving medical treatment for it as he should, but you're insistence that he also needs psychotherapy is rooted in the desire to both "make your argument work", eliminate any necessity for God and conform the entire situation to your preferred worldview.
Here's the reality....this isn't about you LOL.
I think it's noble that folks cared about tbombz and wanted to encourage him to not engage in the reckless behaviors he'd now abandoned....I did the same back then.
What you appear to dislike is that he abandoned those behaviors via God's impact on his life and because he hasn't needed traditional therapy you want to forcefit a continued need for that therapy onto him.
That said, if you genuinely care for his well being you won't partake in mocking or insulting him again.
Similar to major corporations, the church is a multi-billion dollar industry and can cure world hunger. Why don't they? ??? ???
I assume you're approaching my comments based upon the notion that I'm only referencing the population of unbelievers? Not so. Again, the "whole of creation" is entrusted....that includes you, me, believers, unbelievers, etc.....we are all accountable. This includes corporations, churches, governments....you name it.
He can do both!! You realize there are many therapists who practice from a religious perspective? Thus, he can get both forms of help. For tbombz I do think he also needs other forms of help. He clearly has issues.
And yet for all the preaching the church does they have not cured world hunger, although the they could. What a disgusting organization.
We are not rooting for him to fail. We think he needs other help, besides the religious kind.
Plus, people have warned tbombz for YEARS!! SOOOOO many people told tbombz, like they told DA, that he was going down a dangerous path. DA failed to listen and he died. Tbombz did not listen, now he has HIV. Both cases are sad. But behind getsbigs ball-breaking attitude, A LOT of people told him to get his shit together. He didn't, now he has a life-threatening illness. So, don't play the whole, "we want him to fail." ::) ::)
Could God cure his AIDS? Yes. Will he? Don't know.
Did the faith of others cause Christ to impart healing to them in scripture? Yes. Does every faithful believer get healed? No. Is that wrong? No.
I haven't been healed of everything and my faith isn't shaken either. The trials I've suffered through and continue to suffer through have been the best aspects of my life and drawn me closer to God than anything else.
you have outed yourself as a mental retard. Hope this helps.
Have a blessed day FitnessFrenzy! God loves you more than you know!
I have nothing against you personally, but I allowed to question the logic of your argumentation. :)
A nice evening to you too.
Are non-religious associations, corporations and governments with similar and ample resources also disgusting?
As I've told you before atheists haven't cornered the market on asking questions.
Again, you're straw man'ing me with the notion that I'm anti-medicine, therapy, dentistry, etc.....this is not the case. My family is full of nurses of all sorts and my own father has practiced dentistry for decades and is a believer to boot!
I'm trying to convey to you that the ills of the mind and body can be overcome in Christ. It appears that you want tbombz to be mentally-ill or in need of pyscho-therapy because it aligns with your preferred worldview. The fact remains that at some point tbombz or myself or you may seek the council of a therapist and there's nothing wrong with that, but some men are made whole in mind and body through Christ and remain as such because of Christ.
Have we seen 100% proof that Tbombz:
1. Even has HIV (I know we saw pills, but that doesn't prove anything)
2. Has ever had gay buttsex
I watched a few minutes of this video, and I swear there were a few moments that he almost busted out laughing.
What if all of this has been master trolling?
Have we seen 100% proof that Tbombz:
1. Even has HIV (I know we saw pills, but that doesn't prove anything)
2. Has ever had gay buttsex
I watched a few minutes of this video, and I swear there were a few moments that he almost busted out laughing.
What if all of this has been master trolling?
Point 1) Religion and its affiliated organizations make DIRECT statements about preaching Jesus Christ's name and helping people. In fact, they often state that is there sole duty in life and their main mission (to help and love others). Yet, they do nothing to cure world hunger, despite having the resources to do it.
Point 2) Non-religious associations and corporations usually do not make similar statements. Microsoft corporation never stated that there sole aim is to help out man. They are a company to make money. Sure, they give to charity, but their mission is not similar to the churches mission, which makes it a sole focus to help people.
Think of it this way. The cops sole mission is to help and save others. Now, as a citizen, if I see a crime happening, I can definitely step in and help another human being out. However, cops are held to a higher standard to help and save others because that is their specific position the hold. Although I may help, it is not expected of me for various reasons. Similarly, the church often states that one of their MAIN missions is to love and help others. Microsoft corporation never stated that was their position. So, it is odd that an organization would state that this is their MAIN mission, yet allow hunger to continue.
To answer to your question: Both are disgusting, just not as equally as disgusting. Religious organizations are more disgusting because they make DIRECT statements about this sort of stuff, yet sit back and allow hunger to rampantly continue. If you're going to preach the teachings of JC, at least follow through! Basically, your actions should back up what you speak. Major corporations never outright state a similar mission as the church, therefore, any help they give is better than no help. But when you outright state a particular mission, then allow a problem to persist, thats a huge issue.
he wrote to ALL his facebook friends that he has HIV.Yeah you are right. He is just crazy then.
Do you think a troll would do that?
Nothing personal but I feel that someone like Tbomz who is now saved so to speak but obviously has not become serene, stress free and peaceful has adopted a new mental illness. All sorts of maniac preachers have voiced their commitment to Christ and peach the gospel but remain fully perturbed. This is not living in and for Christ from my perspective. Can Tbomz sit in a dark room alone for an hour and be at peace with himself? that's more of a test for how close one is to the Divine than ones apostolic vigour.
Corps, govts, churches, schools, states, countries, etc....are made up of people. People are entrusted with the whole of humanity. The corp mission statement may not be to help end hunger....it was merely an example of excess resources available to resolve issues today.
The ability and resources are there....the willingness and accountability is not.
My actions should back up what I preach about Christ. Agreed.
Despite that statement being true it doesn't translate into my actions don't represent Christ....that I don't practice what I preach.
My desire to help others and my actual giving of my personal resources is not put on public display....I have one audience in the Lord....all I need.
Our ability to govern the resources of the world is more practically accomplished collectively (IMHO), but we should desire to do so individually.....we will be judged individually. This world has ample resources and ample governance at its disposal.
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Oh brother, another way to take the burden off of the church. ::) ::) Plain and simple: The churches main position is to help people. They have an abundance of resources. Yet, world hunger still exists. Therefore, the church and its followers suck. Do other corporations with an abundance of resources also suck? Yes. But that doesnt take away from the fact that the church sits idly by and allows people to go hungry while its a billion dollar industry. Yet, they preach the words of Jesus Christ. Oh brotha. Can't get more hypocritical than that!
Trust me, if I made a video I'd probably speak as loud as tbombz and be equally as moved while doing it. My wife often has to settle me down when I get going in these types of discussions LOL.
Apparently around these parts passion for others equals mental illness.....it's a strange dichotomy to say the very least.
Never once today have I taken any responsibility away from anyone on this planet. You love to straw man.
Repeatedly I have stated "all of humanity" and the "whole of creation".....this includes everyone.
Done for now....have a good night.
I can understand that passion, its one of the best feelings to have genuine love and compassion for others. I just don't like evangelicals trying to convert me saying I need to accept Jesus as the one and only son of God and that he died for my sins. I don't need any belief system to be saved.
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Yet, when you ask a religious person "Why" they will just say, "God is love" or something without providing you with an answer as to why you need to be saved. Perhaps the only reason is to spare oneself from a lifetime of eternal damnation in Hell. Other than that, they can provide no conceivable reason as to why someone should be saved or have JC in their life.
I wouldn't make such a sweeping generalization myself about religion. What is religion anyway? the word means to unite, same as yoga means union. Obviously somethings out of alignment but I wouldn't blame religion per say in the literal definition of the word but would blame the human ego for latching on to this or that and creating absolutist creeds and dogmas. That kind of religion is another expression of mental illness.
But that IS the issue. You are commanded by God to accept the bible as it is written. Therefore, everything in the bible must be true. You can't separate the literal meaning of the bible from the believer because they are intertwined. Its religions fault for setting it up this way and mans fault for not seeing beyond the fairy tales.
tbombz is just showing his love for Christ and his love for others.in scientific terms taylor is going thru a maniacal, psychotic phase but because it s portrayed as a spiritual thingy it is somewhat accepted -but will less and less be in the future as science debunks the phenomenons at work in the brain-. Fact is there is no god, god is man invention, a delirium coming from an animal brain and none of what he says makes sense. We are animals and the strong survives preying on the weak. It s pretty binary and simple to understand.
Like me, he just desires for everyone to understand the reality of Christ in their lives.
Most of y'all love the entertainment factor that came with the man tbombz used to be and have no concept of what it means to become a changed man by and for Christ.
The mocking, the ridicule, the claims of mental illness are all things I can handle with no issue. I don't prefer it but I expect it, I live it, it's scriptural......believer s will be ridiculed, some cast out and some will face worse.
Y'all have a blessed day.
I've shed the same tears as tbombz. He's a man possessed by Christ now and he's literally shouting for others to not make the same mistakes as he did, to turn from their sin, reconcile with God and be brought into righteousness.dude. Please. WTF.
in scientific terms taylor is going thru a maniacal, psychotic phase but because it s portrayed as a spiritual thingy it is somewhat accepted -but will less and less be in the future as science debunks the phenomenons at work in the brain-. Fact is there is no god, god is man invention, a delirium coming from an animal brain and none of what he says makes sense. We are animals and the strong survives preying on the weak. It s pretty binary and simple to understand.
A schizophrenic talks to an imaginary person = CrazyWe are all "mentally ill" as we all built subconsciously systems of beliefs that are intrinsically wrong, magical, biased, wicked, twisted, cynical, hypocrits...We are all the product of our environment, we have all been conditionned , and we all think we deserve the best odds of survival at the expense of others. We re all spwaned into a race , struggle for survival without choosing it. We in fact are all animals who pretends they arent animals and who constantly try to hide their bestiality and will to dominate others. We are all looking after fame, success, domination, power, because it means better odds of survival. And we all spend an awful lot of time pretending we are not, trying to dissimulate our will to dominate.
A person talks to an imaginary God = religious
A religious parent prays for their child's diabetes to go away, but the child dies = parents are deeply religious and love God
A parent prays for their child's diabetes to go away, but the child dies = the parent is crazy
As you can see, you can justify any erratic behavior with religion. :-\
If only sf1900 had some other area in his life to channel all this anti religion energy. :D
I old you guys it would be 10 pages easy :D
Anything related to tbombz, goodrum, or uncle junior reaches close, if not more than 10 pages.Nah, Goodrum doesn't even come close these days.
Nah, Goodrum doesn't even come close these days.
We are all "mentally ill" as we all built subconsciously systems of beliefs that are intrinsically wrong, magical, biased, wicked, twisted, cynical, hypocrits...We are all the product of our environment, we have all been conditionned , and we all think we deserve the best odds of survival at the expense of others. We re all spwaned into a race , struggle for survival without choosing it. We in fact are all animals who pretends they arent animals and who constantly try to hide their bestiality and will to dominate others. We are all looking after fame, success, domination, power, because it means better odds of survival. And we all spend an awful lot of time pretending we are not, trying to dissimulate our will to dominate.Can you list your favorite authors? I see some Freud touch, a bit of Nietzsche nihilism and thus ideas that roams around Darwin evolution theory. Your last messages are brutal and I agree with some parts of them.
The rich , lucky and strong are psychologically violent, while the weak, unlucky is often physically violent. Violence is everywhere, all relaitonships between all lifeforms are based on dominating and dominated individuals. Everything in life is about sex, reproduction, domination, and death, failure, slavery. Everything is fucking binary.
Some are just luckier than others, some just have a stronger will to kill than others. Really, there are only two kinds of lifeforms both in the vegetal and animal kingdoms; weak, and strong ones. The strong ones just happen to live longer at the expense of the weak. The only purpose of every single lifeform that has a brain is to calculate how to survive, access the limited ressources at the expense of other lifeforms which are randomly spawned into the vicinity. "Life" is a constant battle, struggle, competition between lifeforms that blindly try to adapt and dominate fearing to be defeated by the opponents that were randomly spawned in their surrouding. We ally with those who think or look like us automatically, subconsciously, and we fight those who are wired, conditionned differently automatically.
Look at kids "playing" -play in all animals species is learning how to dominate, kill, competition when adults- in any kindergarten; the strongest, smartest, wise kids always ally together and make fun of the weaker ones. You see the same happening in other animal species. Morality , spirituality, are bullshit. Our inner, deep nature is to exploit , enslave, play with the weak. Ever noticed that all jokes, all laughs, are always made AT THE EXPENSE of someone's idea, or someone weaknesses?
Only the strong survives, but even he, at some point, even if he "lasts" longer than the weak, will die. It is also interesting to notice the strong needs to constantly cultivate, produce, weak ones in order to survive at their expense. Basically humans are animals who produce weak animals in order to survive at their expense.
We only exist to kill instead of being killed. Being succesful at killing makes one feel good and confident, failing to do so makes one depressed and desperate. Strong people can smell fear and weakness in others, and will either eliminate them or dominate them if they have any interest in keeping them alive for their own benefit.
No "god" "created" this, it just is. There is no need for a creator to create something for this something to exist. If any intelligent lifeform created this, he, it, actually would be a complete sadistic asshole. Just because we humans/animals create things to better our odds of survival doesnt mean there has to be something that created life. Life , this monstruosity when you really think about it, just happen where there s sunlight and water. Then the cruel butchery starts, "evolves" until it implodes. The more time i spend on this planet, the more i believe life is actually exactly the oposite of what it is portrayed to be...by the strong ones who dominate this planet and who need the weak, the suckers to believe in to keep exploiting them. Life is all about strong ones having fun at the expense of the weaker ones. And the weak ones always want, "hope" to become stronger in order to have its share of fun too. Except many wont have any chance of accessing it and were just randomly spawned to suffer and make stronger lifeforms feel better when they re looking at them.
We all finally understand the true nature of existence at some point, some just understand it sooner than others.
Where else would I channel it to? There is no other place. You can't do it at a job. My friends don't give enough shit about religion to discuss it. Family either. Getbig is the only place you can truly let loose. Perhaps the gym, but thats only for about an hour per day.You seem overly obsessed with religion, it's unhealthy that it has that effect on you.
You seem overly obsessed with religion, it's unhealthy that it has that effect on you.
A robust conversation about religion going on here
tbagz = winning
Same FALSE GOSPEL that tbombz is teaching. You do not turn from sin to be saved. Turning from sin = works.GymTime I can assure you that the few words you've bolded and pulled from the greater context do not represent my false theology.
All one must do to be saved is put all of their faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ. You do not turn from sin, give up sin, forsake sin, or anything related to it. You simply believe. Anything other than faith for salvation is a works based salvation that will land you in hell when you die.
John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
dude. Please. WTF.
He probably been abused by family members, became completely fucked up, got ill and now is trying to create a meaning to a sad existence that has intrinsically none. The only moral of the stroy is that dude is weak and has been buttfucked -no pun intended- by everyone surrounding him since he s born. He s a sucker. He didnt choose any of it. There is no justice, no explanation, no meaning to any of this. He might convince himslf, brainwash himself thru religion to give a meaning to what has none; life is innerently absurd, cruel, and there are only two main forces at work; RANDOMNESS, and the law of nature, the jungle, the strongest, IE evolution and darwinism.
Randomness and brutal law of nature are the only things that dictates the way vegetal and animal lifeforms survive. There is no need for a god or gods.
He will suffer, regret, then die and there wont be any miracle happening. He might make himself feel better reading the bible and propagating its bullshits , but in the end it doesnt change anything to what happened to him or what is waiting for him, he also probably doesnt help anyone, and there will still be poor suckers going the path he went. It will keep going on, life is just like that, it constantly creates randomly inequalities and suffering. Spirituality is just doing mental gymnastic to convince yourself that life isnt as absurd and random it intriscially is. IT s pure bullshit tho, but it is reasuring. It is highly hypocritical too, because it creates a completely artificial meaning , reason as to why you have to kill someone else -who is different, acts differents, think different- to access limited ressources. Religions, spirituality, are a defense mecahnism developed by our brains, to cope with the intrinsical random absurdity of life, of death. All human animals developed the same kind of belief system everywhere in the world and copied each others to create their own thing. But all of them are bullshit. All religions are false, wrong. At best they help people to unite together...to FIGHT other people with different beliefs systems...to secure the access to limited ressources. We are animals first and foremost, this is the ultimate nature of reality, and religions, spirituality are just a byproduct of our animality. Whatever the way you sugarcoat it, life was, is and will always be about killing instead of being killed until one day you cant fight anymore and..die. All adaptations at some point fail and become a burden that hinders a lifeform's survival, become counterproductive. Everything that lives is doomed to fail, die, disapear. Truth is, there is no reincarnation, and no heaven, or hell. People, animals, plants just reproduce, struggle for survival, fight, adapt, evolve, until at some point they cant anymore and disapear.
Buddha; God, allah, krishna; Zeus, jesus; philosophies etc, its all bullshit and none of them existed and there is no valhala, heaven, but only hell on earth for all living being who were randomly and blindly spwaned into life without choosing it and have no other choice but to kill instead of being killed to insure their survival until they can reproduce. If you re lucky to be born strong and dominant or access that status after steping on others people heads, surviving at the expense of their own survival, then maybe life can be bearable. Yet, everything you build, gain, conquer, will decay , everything you win, you will lose anyway.
We are machines, animals generated by a blind evolution where every life form develops based on how it interacts with other lifeforms that threaten its survival or exploit its weaknesses; we are programmed to fight, kill, eat fuck and die and we are all convinced our own survival is more important than the other assholes survival. Life is a giant cruel butchery that goes nowhere and constantly repeats itself. To say it like it is, life is constant suffering and the only way to end this suffering is to end life. The only pleasure we get from life is when we re able to kill, dominate, others. Life is only worth living when you can dominate others. Hope is envisionning yourself dominating others in the future or seeing your kids being able to do so in the future. Life is all about domination, hapiness is all about being able to dominate or envisioning yourself dominating in the future. When one s realize he cannot dominate in the future, he has no will to live anymore.
We re just animals, this is the ultimate truth, the sum of all truths.
HEaven doenst exist, neither does hell. We are animals who created these concepts. We create meaning, where there is none. They ve been created in all religions btw. And there is nothing after death. We re just animals randomly killing each others for limited ressources until our species disapear because it destroys itslef or cant adapt anymore.
Go to a fucking hospital, retirement home, looney bin or jail ; you will understand there is no fucking god. Just strong, lucky, people who prey on weaker, unlucky, people and exploit their weaknesses to insure their own survival. Every single life forms has to exploit other life forms to insure its own survival. For every winner, there has to be a loser. No one is innocent, purity, perfection, dont exist. There are just lifeforms that spawn, replicate, adapt and fight each others randomly. Many lifeforms, vegetal, or animal, many blind and random creations of evolution, species, failed at some point to survive. At some point the human species itself will disapear COMPLETELY. Nothing has a purpose or meaning, other than the one humans create with their brains. But this meaning is always false, an illusion, that tries to avoid, hide, the reality; we re just animals killing each others randomly and indefinitly until we disapear. And the same shit probably goes on and on in the universe everywhere there s some sun, some water and bacterias. There is no meaning or purpose to it, it just is.
Buy, kill, fuck, die. Life.
All due respect to believers, how did this whole deal evolve into a big ol' Hide 'n' Seek?Quoted in case he deletes it when he sobers up.
Say you're God. You created man because you were lonely and wanted to experience unforced, reciprocal love. This explains the impetus for creation, if I'm not mistaken (Judeo-Christian God, I mean, please correct me if I'm wrong).
Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah - ALL the Biblical heroes, these folks never needed faith in God's existence, right? They were simply required to carry out His will. Fair enough, but difficult task in itself. Yet God communicated with them directly; they never had to question whether or not He was really there. And some STILL failed.
Now here we are thousands of years later. On top of the behavior commandments and fulfilling God's will, we're also deligated the task of having faith in His existence, when He's completely excused Himself from further direct communication. Considering how far we've come with the various branches of science (which He certainly knew we would) that ALL cast suspicion and/or doubt on His existence, and explanation for ours, why on earth would He add this extra hurdle?
Yes, I know you can't see or hear Me in this age of science, reason, skepticism, and whatnot, but you BETTER believe I'm here.
So, again, say you're God. Modern day God. More than anything you still want to experience reciprocal love and obedience from your free-willed creation: WHAT F'N SENSE DOES IT MAKE TO ADD FAITH IN EXISTENCE TO AN ALREADY DIFFICULT EQUATION?
The ultimate deal-breaker for me, yet Christians accept the task like it's not so unnecessary or unreasonable.
We are likewise expected to love and obey our parents - again, difficult in itself at times, and we often fall short. But we are never expected to suspend disbelief and play some childish Hide 'n' Seek bullshit, trying to reassure ourselves that they're really there. We KNOW they're there.
As God then, when/why did you decide that highly improbable riddles were more important than your original need for love and obedience?
And, of course, the penalty for not excelling at Hide 'n' Seek: eternal torture.
(TLDR, I know. Had to get it off my thick, striated chest, though. I'll probably delete this bullshit in the morning.)
Quoted in case he deletes it when he sobers up.
Having faith is more often than not, a challenge. I used to be able to honestly say that I could evidence of God in the faces around me...
Now all I notice is the stupidity of what one might term, "reverse evolution". People in general are getting mo' dumber. ;D
I constantly question my faith and God. I don't care for the "that's just God's will" style of ministering. I despise it. If God made me in His image then He made me able to question not only the world around me but the existence of the one who created it. Test the spirits indeed.
I have no religion. I have faith. And in faith, I have hope for more. The best way to share that faith, that hope, is to live it.
And I rarely do so to the best of my abilities. But I refuse to lie about it.
Would god cure his aids if he prayed hard enough, or made more Youtube videos?
Have we seen 100% proof that Tbombz:
1. Even has HIV (I know we saw pills, but that doesn't prove anything)
2. Has ever had gay buttsex
I watched a few minutes of this video, and I swear there were a few moments that he almost busted out laughing.
What if all of this has been master trolling?
If medical science finds a cure for HIV during Tbombz lifetime, then one could say that God cured him (along with millions of others) of this virus. If you're thinking of an old fashioned laying of hands type cure, this is highly unlikely. Still there is power in believing and positive thinking that few are able to fully tap.yeah because it takes a "mental health professional" to figure taylor is mentally unstable. Btw, the DSM is free to dl on the internet. And that's all psys are using before randomly administering drugs to people.
For those of you who continue to analyze Tbombz as if you are trained mental health professional and can figure out what ails him from a Youtube video, you are seriously misguided.
This is a dead end discussion.
You've got that right. These types of discussions almost never resolve anything. Heck, wars are fought over such matters and have been since the beginning of time. That we humans can't just live and let live is a crying shame.animals dont just live and let live, they re not designed to do so by nature. They kill instead of being killed for access to limited ressources.
Corps, govts, churches, schools, states, countries, etc....are made up of people. People are entrusted with the whole of humanity. The corp mission statement may not be to help end hunger....it was merely an example of excess resources available to resolve issues today.
The ability and resources are there....the willingness and accountability is not.
My actions should back up what I preach about Christ. Agreed.
Despite that statement being true it doesn't translate into my actions don't represent Christ....that I don't practice what I preach.
My desire to help others and my actual giving of my personal resources is not put on public display....I have one audience in the Lord....all I need.
Our ability to govern the resources of the world is more practically accomplished collectively (IMHO), but we should desire to do so individually.....we will be judged individually. This world has ample resources and ample governance at its disposal.
animals dont just live and let live, they re not designed to do so by nature. They kill instead of being killed for access to limited ressources.
dude. Please. WTF.
He probably been abused by family members, became completely fucked up, got ill and now is trying to create a meaning to a sad existence that has intrinsically none. The only moral of the stroy is that dude is weak and has been buttfucked -no pun intended- by everyone surrounding him since he s born. He s a sucker. He didnt choose any of it. There is no justice, no explanation, no meaning to any of this. He might convince himslf, brainwash himself thru religion to give a meaning to what has none; life is innerently absurd, cruel, and there are only two main forces at work; RANDOMNESS, and the law of nature, the jungle, the strongest, IE evolution and darwinism.
Randomness and brutal law of nature are the only things that dictates the way vegetal and animal lifeforms survive. There is no need for a god or gods.
He will suffer, regret, then die and there wont be any miracle happening. He might make himself feel better reading the bible and propagating its bullshits , but in the end it doesnt change anything to what happened to him or what is waiting for him, he also probably doesnt help anyone, and there will still be poor suckers going the path he went. It will keep going on, life is just like that, it constantly creates randomly inequalities and suffering. Spirituality is just doing mental gymnastic to convince yourself that life isnt as absurd and random it intriscially is. IT s pure bullshit tho, but it is reasuring. It is highly hypocritical too, because it creates a completely artificial meaning , reason as to why you have to kill someone else -who is different, acts differents, think different- to access limited ressources. Religions, spirituality, are a defense mecahnism developed by our brains, to cope with the intrinsical random absurdity of life, of death. All human animals developed the same kind of belief system everywhere in the world and copied each others to create their own thing. But all of them are bullshit. All religions are false, wrong. At best they help people to unite together...to FIGHT other people with different beliefs systems...to secure the access to limited ressources. We are animals first and foremost, this is the ultimate nature of reality, and religions, spirituality are just a byproduct of our animality. Whatever the way you sugarcoat it, life was, is and will always be about killing instead of being killed until one day you cant fight anymore and..die. All adaptations at some point fail and become a burden that hinders a lifeform's survival, become counterproductive. Everything that lives is doomed to fail, die, disapear. Truth is, there is no reincarnation, and no heaven, or hell. People, animals, plants just reproduce, struggle for survival, fight, adapt, evolve, until at some point they cant anymore and disapear.
Buddha; God, allah, krishna; Zeus, jesus; philosophies etc, its all bullshit and none of them existed and there is no valhala, heaven, but only hell on earth for all living being who were randomly and blindly spwaned into life without choosing it and have no other choice but to kill instead of being killed to insure their survival until they can reproduce. If you re lucky to be born strong and dominant or access that status after steping on others people heads, surviving at the expense of their own survival, then maybe life can be bearable. Yet, everything you build, gain, conquer, will decay , everything you win, you will lose anyway.
We are machines, animals generated by a blind evolution where every life form develops based on how it interacts with other lifeforms that threaten its survival or exploit its weaknesses; we are programmed to fight, kill, eat fuck and die and we are all convinced our own survival is more important than the other assholes survival. Life is a giant cruel butchery that goes nowhere and constantly repeats itself. To say it like it is, life is constant suffering and the only way to end this suffering is to end life. The only pleasure we get from life is when we re able to kill, dominate, others. Life is only worth living when you can dominate others. Hope is envisionning yourself dominating others in the future or seeing your kids being able to do so in the future. Life is all about domination, hapiness is all about being able to dominate or envisioning yourself dominating in the future. When one s realize he cannot dominate in the future, he has no will to live anymore.
We re just animals, this is the ultimate truth, the sum of all truths.
HEaven doenst exist, neither does hell. We are animals who created these concepts. We create meaning, where there is none. They ve been created in all religions btw. And there is nothing after death. We re just animals randomly killing each others for limited ressources until our species disapear because it destroys itslef or cant adapt anymore.
Go to a fucking hospital, retirement home, looney bin or jail ; you will understand there is no fucking god. Just strong, lucky, people who prey on weaker, unlucky, people and exploit their weaknesses to insure their own survival. Every single life forms has to exploit other life forms to insure its own survival. For every winner, there has to be a loser. No one is innocent, purity, perfection, dont exist. There are just lifeforms that spawn, replicate, adapt and fight each others randomly. Many lifeforms, vegetal, or animal, many blind and random creations of evolution, species, failed at some point to survive. At some point the human species itself will disapear COMPLETELY. Nothing has a purpose or meaning, other than the one humans create with their brains. But this meaning is always false, an illusion, that tries to avoid, hide, the reality; we re just animals killing each others randomly and indefinitly until we disapear. And the same shit probably goes on and on in the universe everywhere there s some sun, some water and bacterias. There is no meaning or purpose to it, it just is.
Buy, kill, fuck, die. Life.
This is the rationale of religious thinking:
Gets better = Saved by God
Screws up = Man has Free Will
A convenient way to excuse your God from any wrongdoing. ::) ::)
This is a very real possibility, not just with Tbombz but with pretty much everyone on Getbig, you included. Even those of us who believe we are being completely honest, subconsciously color what we write in order to make a point or have ourselves appear better. This is just human nature at work.What have I ever written here that has made me look better? :D
this is the fundametal problem with religion
its a win win and doesnt worrry about logic
everything good that happens is down to god
everything bad that happens is down to free will
what a load of shit
All due respect to believers, how did this whole deal evolve into a big ol' Hide 'n' Seek?
Say you're God. You created man because you were lonely and wanted to experience unforced, reciprocal love. This explains the impetus for creation, if I'm not mistaken (Judeo-Christian God, I mean, please correct me if I'm wrong).
Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah - ALL the Biblical heroes, these folks never needed faith in God's existence, right? They were simply required to carry out His will. Fair enough, but difficult task in itself. Yet God communicated with them directly; they never had to question whether or not He was really there. And some STILL failed.
Now here we are thousands of years later. On top of the behavior commandments and fulfilling God's will, we're also deligated the task of having faith in His existence, when He's completely excused Himself from further direct communication. Considering how far we've come with the various branches of science (which He certainly knew would happen), that ALL cast suspicion and/or doubt on His existence and explanation for ours; why on earth would He add this extra hurdle?
Yes, I know you can't see or hear Me in this age of science, reason, skepticism, and whatnot, but you BETTER believe I'm here.
So, again, say you're God. Modern day God. More than anything you still want to experience reciprocal love and obedience from your free-willed creation: WHAT F'N SENSE DOES IT MAKE TO ADD FAITH IN EXISTENCE TO AN ALREADY DIFFICULT EQUATION?
The ultimate deal-breaker for me, yet Christians accept the task like it's not particularly unnecessary and/or unreasonable.
We are likewise expected to love and obey our parents - again, difficult in itself at times, and we often fall short. But we are never expected to suspend disbelief and play some childish Hide 'n' Seek bullshit, trying to reassure ourselves that they're really there. We KNOW they're there.
As God then, when/why did you decide that highly improbable riddles were more important than your original need for love and obedience?
And, of course, the penalty for not excelling at Hide 'n' Seek: eternal torture.
(TLDR, I know. Had to get it off my thick, striated chest, though. I'll probably delete this bullshit in the morning.)
As believers in Christ we are saved by grace through faith and thereby justified and deemed righteous….like the innocents who are inherently righteous we become like the them through Christ. Anyone who comes to God and desires forgivenessness and righteousness will be deemed as such. Even before Christ came to earth as the incarnate son and perfect sacrifice for our sin, there was Abraham and he “believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith."”
You are correct that Jesus never claimed to forgive everyone's sins, but those that come to him faithfully will be forgiven. Believers are saved from the judgement of God by the grace of God through faith in him and thereby deemed righteous and justifed before God and indwelt by the Holy Spirit and sanctified for his will and purposes for our lives. It's our faith in who he is and what he did that that makes the difference. As I mentioned previously, it was because of Abraham's faith that righteousness was credited to him. This goes for all others that came to God before Jesus came as the incarnate son, while Jesus was here as the incarnate Son and after he ascended to his divine throne.
The only problem with SF's post is that it isn't correct.
SF loves to straw man and folks eat that up because the argument presented is "a straw man" LOL.
I've answered his questions over and over (ad nauseum) and despite the answer given he will literally press on with the opposite of what I gave him typically via a straw man position. Not because he's correct or loves the issue, but because he loves to argue.
I like SF, but he's admitted to me that often he doesn't read my responses to his questions (or he skims them at best).....what can I do with that LOL?
I admire tbombz's passion in his beliefs but damn, he came as across as borderline insane during parts of that video. What was up with all those tears and emotion? :-\he s full of regrets, of anger , is affraid of death and suffering, and to redeem himself he suddenly feels the need to help, purify, other people ''spreading the ultimate truth'' ...hoping it will change anything in his own failed life... Truth is we are animals and he is a weak one that failed at life because his caregivers misled him and didnt protect him or made him strong enough to face the competition of others in life. Again dude probably been sexually abused by a father figure in his youth to go the gay route at some point in his life.
I'm as summing that his own words were possibly hitting too close to home. Perhaps, while tbombz is interested in spreading his faith to others, he fears eternal damnation for himself because of all the faggotry he participated in prior to his conversion.
I wish him all the best though. He seems like a good dude with sincere intentions. :)
The responses you give are religious babble
I read your entire response, but after this point there's nothing else to say. Especially since I've said the same things hundreds and hundreds of times....maybe thousands of times previously in multiple threads, across multiple boards, in multiple years. There comes a point when I just have to stop with a particular line of discussion with folks. I don't mean that as insult either....just means we're so far beyond a simple impasse that pressing any point further (yours or mine) is fruitless. Not angry with you in the least....care a great deal about everyone on the board actually.
All things equal, my answers about my faith will - for the rest of my days - remain the same religious babble to you. It won't be perceived differently unless at some point you desire to know the reality of God in your own life and seek his will for your life. Only then will things change. I hope for that. I pray for that. I share my faith because of that. Otherwise probably best that this be the end of that.
Thats the issue Your answers are based on faith, which is almost impossible to debate logically. Thats like me saying that I know unicorns exist, then you say , "prove it," and I say, "ITS MY FAITH." The debate/argument/conversation ends there. You can't debate faith in a logical manner. This is why I press the issue because just because you provide an answer based on faith, it doesn't mean I have to be satisfied with the answer, nor does it mean I have to accept it.
In that regard, people will just have to agree to disagree then.
1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fearAmen! This why Christians share their faith and become emotional about their faith.
Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek
1 Corinthians 1:17 - For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Amen! This why Christians share their faith and become emotional about their faith.
Like the words beneath my avatar:
Isaiah 40:28-31 - waiting patiently on and drawing strength from the Lord
Romans 10:9 - how to be saved and enter into righteousness with Lord
1 Peter 3:15 - sharing our faith with others about the Lord
1 Peter 3:15 - But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear
Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek
1 Corinthians 1:17 - For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Amazing they translated it so perfectly to get the point across in a clear way.
Ever seen the other books of the bible translated? Why were those left out?
Seems odd that a man got to pick which parts of the bible to publish and which ones to conceal. Also how a King gets to alter the version of the bible to fit his ideals. Nothing bad could come of this.
I've read the bible a few times, it's got some great stories in it. The King James version differs from the others. Why is the KJB the "authorized" version?
Facinating stuff, so many translations, so many possibilities. One truth, one faith. Created by man. Holy ghosts, magic, rivers of blood...all makes perfect sense. I wonder how all of this would be viewed by today's standards?
Have faith people, it's all fun and games until the Messiah returns to kill everyone.
If the end of days comes and it's Tbombz, who whould take him seriously? What if the Messiah already came and got locked up in the loony bin for doing some crazy terrorist shit?
Would the Messiah come to America or Jerusalem?
8)
I'm not concerned about Jesus returning and murdering me as much as I am the Muslim hordes. I know the Muslims hordes are real.
tell me , MOS, is it ok to step on atheist heads to get where you want to, in your daily life, at work, because you are a christian and deserve the best spots and opportunities because god chose you because you re a believer and they are not?
Fucking hypocrit. Fact is you ally with like minded people to fuck people who think differently and think that it happens thanks to god, when you re just an animal doing what he has to do to insure his own survival just like the rest of us.
We are animals before being spiritual. Spirituality is a result, product, of our animality.
mos
do you accept that the meek will never inherit the earth
your post above is the tale of a meek man being fucked over by others not so encumbered
So I'm a hypocrite who steps on atheists to get where I want to be in life because I deserve the best spots in life because God chose me? Alright.yes, that s what you do, how you justify, explain, give a meaning to random events between other animals and you that are fighting for limited resources. You self convince yourself that you are in the right, and others are in the wrong. And most people on the planet do the same.
If the meek were the inherit the Earth the first thing they would do is abuse their new power. Some of the "meek" are only so because they lack the opportunity to be cruel.this. Beautiful, rich powerful people are ALL assholes, because they dont NEED to be nice. The weak IS FORCED TO BE NICE TO SURVIVE by submiting to the strong. Most people are just being nice because they have no other choice to insure their survival or the survival of their offspring, so they are submissive. And once the weak become strong, he becomes an asshole too. And the cycle repeats itself over and over generation after generation. People, kids, rise the ladder, earn, win, then lose, fail over and over and over again. Just like in all other animal species. Lifeforms try to adapt to the competition, survive to random life threatening events. We are toyed around by randomness and try to keep our heads above the water until one day we cant anymore. This is how things work, everything else is fairytales sugarcoating the true reality.
Do you personally desire to know the reality of God in your life? Do you want to know him?
Good man(http://25.media.tumblr.com/a08f955150ffe6606083dabad2fc2d2b/tumblr_mxcqcy4lCR1qivd1ao1_500.gif)(http://i.imgur.com/SCNLyPY.gif)
this thread would put an insomniac to sleep.
mos
do you accept that the meek will never inherit the earth
your post above is the tale of a meek man being fucked over by others not so encumbered
yes, that s what you do, how you justify, explain, give a meaning to random events between other animals and you that are fighting for limited resources. You self convince yourself that you are in the right, and others are in the wrong. And most people on the planet do the same.
If you re really a true believer, why dont you leave the city, the overcompetition, the capitalist way of life, and go settle with mormons?
I think you know my answer to that.
No win discussion.
I'm perfectly fine with the world keeping this world and all it has to offer them.....I choose to be with my savior where he dwells.our ancestors who invented god(s) didnt know of the sun, the universe. They didnt know the sun would explodes and destroy all planets earth included. They didnt know of evolution, of space, of time. They invented mystical creatures and humans that decided of how, why, when things would happen. Nowadays, we know better. We know things happen without a meaning or purpose to them having to exist. They simply are.
This world is not meant for the body of Christ. The "army of meek" will inherit the earth, but after it is made new. It sounds hokey to some I know....I'm fine with it.
I post in these types of threads not to win the discussion.dont worry, we ll all ''lose'' in the end as we re all condemned to die at some point. Gee, our whole species is condemned at some point, whatever the amount or quality of offsprings we produce. We are the animal species that will destroy itself and all other animals species in the process. The pinnacle of the blind, absurd, pointless, random process called evolution. Lifeforms only spawn and exist to... disapear.
I post in these threads because I care about others and want to win them for Christ.
Fact of the matter is I'm typically declared the delusional loser in every single one of these threads.
our ancestors who invented god(s) didnt know of the sun, the universe. They didnt know the sun would explodes and destroy all planets earth included. They didnt know of evolution, of space, of time. They invented mystical creatures and humans that decided of how, why, when things would happen. Nowadays, we know better. We know things happen without a meaning or purpose to them having to exist. They simply are.
God didnt know the earth would be destroyed by asteroids , pandemics or the sun 's explosion? Nobody will ''inherit the earth and live in peace forever '', it will not happen. We will destroy ourselves or be destroyed. Because we re just an animal species that at some point wont be able to adapt anymore.
That promise that a group, someone, will inherit -access to power, peace and tranquility- forever ALL THE RESSOURCES is just another animal desire, a desire for life, domination, strenght and eternity. Human animals desire access to resources just like dogs, lions, ants, fishes, birds, plants. We re not different and share trhe same brains. All lifeforms are designed to get the best access to limited resources to insure their own survival and the survival or their offspring. In the process, you kill the competition or ally with it if needed. There is nothing else to understand. Life is a butchery that will end in a giant bloodbath. Humans tend to make it a polite butchery, codifying it with bullshit rules only the weak have to follow while the strong constantly modify them to suit their needs and position of power.
But that idea that some group of men will inherit eveyrything will not happen because to prevent it, some other group will prefer to destroy everything so there s no ultimate winner at all. And even if one race dominate all the others and eradicate them, and somehow find a way to ''live in perfect peace on earth for millions, billions of years'' at some point the earth would STILL BE DESTROYED by the sun's explosion. And we wont leave the earth as we re not adapted to live in space or on other planets.
Rational, scientific, cold analysis says we re just a blind animal species conditionned to search for domination that falsely convince itself of different magical beliefs that are reasuring but intrinsically absurd.. Mankind is an animal specie that is born, evolved, aged, adapted, and then will decline, die and disapear , and will bring all of what it invented , god(s) included with it when doing so.
Nobody will believe in god(s) anymore when there s no more life at all anymore on earth. The concept of eternity itself, doesnt exist and is simply a man made invention just like god(s). Nothing lives forever. Everything appear due to randomness, evolves due to the law of nature, then reach a wall, boundaries, then decay, decline, and disapear, and it all start over and over again where there s light and water. There is no meaning, or purpose to it, it just is.
dont worry, we ll all ''lose'' in the end as we re all condemned to die at some point. Gee, our whole species is condemned at some point, whatever the amount or quality of offsprings we produce. We are the animal species that will destroy itself and all other animals species in the process. The pinnacle of the blind, absurd, pointless, random process called evolution. Lifeforms only spawn and exist to... disapear.
(http://static.awkwardfamilyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/2014/10/27/2494654217.jpg)LOOK AT AUNT EDNA LOOKING CLOSELY IN A DATED PHOTO,,,
I post in these types of threads not to win the discussion.Mos I like you and admire your morals etc but this statement makes you sound like Tbombz.
I post in these threads because I care about others and want to win them for Christ.
Fact of the matter is I'm typically declared the delusional loser in every single one of these threads.
^^^Fucking great. ;D
he s full of regrets, of anger , is affraid of death and suffering, and to redeem himself he suddenly feels the need to help, purify, other people ''spreading the ultimate truth'' ...hoping it will change anything in his own failed life... Truth is we are animals and he is a weak one that failed at life because his caregivers misled him and didnt protect him or made him strong enough to face the competition of others in life. Again dude probably been sexually abused by a father figure in his youth to go the gay route at some point in his life.
When a tool is damaged beyond repair, you have no use for it anymore and you throw it in the garbage bin and replace it with another, new, better one. It is the same with animal lives; when someone is useless to other, has nothing to provide , bring to them to help insure or improve their odds of survival, people reject, abandon him or her. Sometimes people are so damaged they arent of any use anymore and simply have no reasons to live anymore. Taylor is probably realizing progressively the true animal nature of people , how brutal and unfair life is, and tries to give a nice reassuring meaning to life just like many people do when they realize their lives are ruined and that they got owned without having been able to do anything about it.
What have I ever written here that has made me look better? :D
Mos I like you and admire your morals etc but this statement makes you sound like Tbombz.
My favorite debate, religion. And it all started with Tbombz.
What if Tbombz is the new Jesus? Anybody ever thought of that? What if this guy starts turning water into wine and shit?
Prepare for the rapture friends.
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Have you ever noticed that when people believe they are on to something good, they want to share it with others?
I try not to introduce Getbig to others.
thanks daddy waddy.. :) i wish you would go back on some steroids and get that killer body back.. if you do.. i can deep throat 12 inches.. :)
Are you saying that Getbig isn't something good? ;D
I think it's good, I doubt normal people would agree.
I resent the implication that I am not normal.... ;D I'm about as normal as they come. Oh, do you mean people who aren't into social networking? Some would say they are abnormal.
It takes a pretty deviant sense of humor to wanna hang around this shit hole.
:-X
Genesis 15:6
6 And Abram believed the Lord, and the Lord counted him as righteous because of his faith.
I probably have two dozen other posts I've written in threads like this about this exact thing. Will anyone here read it LOL?
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AS this escalates into more pages and its starting to get more deeper ,the religious board is awaiting ..No, that's what we don't need around here. Popular threads should stay on the G&O where they belong. None of us are forced to click on a thread.
Man what in the hell is going on in here
I always read your responses to me, but you misunderstood my post. In those verses, faith is synonymous with trust, as in "Have faith that your father's decision is for the best."
Not at all what faith in God means anymore.
I know you do...no worries...that was more of a general reply. I've been told by multiple folks that they don't read my replies even if they asked me something.
What would you say faith mean today?
Man what in the hell is going on in here
From exploded, swirling stardust were we formed in the cosmos and by exploding stars will we again be reduced to dust within the cosmos that is also ever-expanding bringing us closer and closer to an inevitable cold, dark death. Our existence is random, our purpose is nothing and our value is worthless.
That cover it?
can we not have faith without having faith in something definable, just stay open to the mystery? When one says with conviction that they are saved because they accepted Jesus in to their hearts it seems more like the need to feel safe and secure rather than dwell in the state of unknowing which takes real faith and trust. Likewise the materialist and nihilist trys to find a sense of security and relief in their worldview by repeating it over and over to themselves and others.
Seems like a good compromise to me.
Tbomz need the fairy tale as he's going to die of aids, and praying to a million gods won't save him or change that fact.
MOS may see a love of Christ but I see a scared and desperate boy. It's written all over his face.
Most people 'want' to believe in fairy tales.
MOS 'needs' to believe.
Hey man, whatever gets you through the long years. At least he comes across as a gentleman.
A random unseen 'god' whispered a few words and everything jumped into existence, fully formed. Dinosaurs dropped out of the sky and fish appeared in the sea. Eventually some dude wakes up under a tree somewhere, gets chatting to a snake, starts feeling a bit peckish and bites into a magic apple, but not before he loses a rib in order for a girl to suddenly stumble out of a cave.You forgot the dude that lived in a whale's belly for days. Had a lantern and a good book.
Does that cover it in your world?
11 pages of shit when the first and only reply should have been 'fuck off aids ridden fag'
MOS may see a love of Christ but I see a scared and desperate boy. It's written all over his face.
xlooks like he's trying to figure out how to fit that in and not be in pain the following day.
A random unseen 'god' whispered a few words and everything jumped into existence, fully formed. Dinosaurs dropped out of the sky and fish appeared in the sea. Eventually some dude wakes up under a tree somewhere, gets chatting to a snake, starts feeling a bit peckish and bites into a magic apple, but not before he loses a rib in order for a girl to suddenly stumble out of a cave.
Does that cover it in your world?
You forgot the dude that lived in a whale's belly for days. Had a lantern and a good book.
Most people 'want' to believe in fairy tales.
MOS 'needs' to believe.
Hey man, whatever gets you through the long years. At least he comes across as a gentleman.
You forgot the dude that lived in a whale's belly for days. Had a lantern and a good book.gepetto?
Tbombz is the modern-day Jesus. People just need to accept this fact.
He is a preacher as sane as this one:
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can we not have faith without having faith in something definable, just stay open to the mystery? When one says with conviction that they are saved because they accepted Jesus in to their hearts it seems more like the need to feel safe and secure rather than dwell in the state of unknowing which takes real faith and trust. Likewise the materialist and nihilist trys to find a sense of security and relief in their worldview by repeating it over and over to themselves and others.what you call faith is instinct of survival and all animals have it.
what you call faith is instinct of survival and all animals have it.
So atheists and agnostics have simply accepted their fate thereby defying their baser instincts for survival?
Put another way, theists prefer the matrix while atheists prefer the real world (or Zion)?
Nice way to take Uberman comments and generalize them to ALL atheist by saying, "so atheists and agonistics have simply..."
You should have said, "so uberman has simply accepted his fate..."
I never knew uberman was the spokesperson for all atheists/agnositcs. Second, its obvious hes trolling. 8 months ago he was a die hard christian. Now hes an atheist. ::) ::)
And yet you claim not to be biased toward atheists haha lol. Typical fundie. :D :D
I don't believe 99% of the stuff that Uberman puts forth.
So uberman you have simply accepted your fate thereby defying your baser instincts for survival?
Put another way, theists prefer the matrix while you prefer the real world (or Zion)?
This is the rationale of religious thinking:
Gets better = Saved by God
Screws up = Man has Free Will
A convenient way to excuse your God from any wrongdoing. ::) ::)
The energy expended to go nowhere is amusing.
Reworded my post so uberman doesn't speak for all atheists/agnostics.
Let me know if you require other revisions for my discussion with uberman. :)
On a sidenote, please refrain from speaking on behalf of "the religious".....you don't speak for theists.
:)
That's the thing. We do know that many religious people hold CERTAIN core values and truth, that are often widely believed as a general rule. Sure, there are minor deviations, but most Christians believe relatively the same thing, especially those that follow the bible.
Its not the same with atheism, since there is no one book (something like the bible) telling us what to believe. Thus, there are greater variations of what we believe and do not believe.
I'll be honest, I'm an atheist but I wish I believed in god. I know that sounds weird but I think it would be cool to believe and I wouldn't mind taking on a lot of their good values. Plus the social aspect of church interests me.
I don't agree with the value part, since there are many people who have good morals and values independent of religion.
However, I do agree with the social aspects of church. The churches, not all of them, but many of them do a good job at creating a close-knit community. I am a strong proponent of community, and I believe America has lost its way with this "individualistic" idea of life, which is so contrary to who we are are humans. The church definitely does a good job of creating a community where people are looked after and cared for. Sort of like a "communal home."
That's the thing. We do know that many religious people hold CERTAIN core values and truth, that are often widely believed as a general rule. Sure, there are minor deviations, but most Christians believe relatively the same thing, especially those that follow the bible.
Its not the same with atheism, since there is no one book (something like the bible) telling us what to believe. Thus, there are greater variations of what we believe and do not believe.
I've seen Ricky Gervais make this same comment in a number of interviews, but it's just not universally applicable for all atheists.
For example, The Atheist Community of Austin is a big atheist organization that has hosted the National Atheist Conference in 2013 and has broadcasted the Atheist Experience show for many, many years now both on public television and now youtube.
http://www.atheist-community.org/library/positions/ (http://www.atheist-community.org/library/positions/)
They profess the following beliefs or "position statements" as they prefer:
Position Statements
The Atheist Community of Austin is a non-profit, educational organization involved in community outreach and activism. Our various media outreach programs and activities afford us the opportunity to speak out on a number of issues. Atheism is misunderstood and misrepresented and we feel it is important that our community has official, public positions on a number of issues.
Atheism is a singular position about the existence of a god or gods and the beliefs of individual atheists on other issues are diverse. These statements represent the official positions of this organization and do not represent the position of all atheists or ACA members. Acceptance of these positions is not required for membership in the ACA.
Primary Positions
Church-State Separation
The ACA understands:
Article VI of the United States Constitution prohibits any religious test for public office
The First Amendment necessarily requires that our government remain neutral with regard to religion
The Fourteenth Amendment extends amendments to the US Constitution to the state governments
We believe that this neutral position ensures that no religion receives preferential treatment over another religion, or the lack of religion.
We support the right of each individual to believe or disbelieve as they choose. We support the right of individuals to practice their religious beliefs to the extent that such practice does not inhibit or infringe upon the rights and freedoms of others.
Human Rights
The ACA opposes legislation that seeks to discriminate against individuals on the basis of sex, race, religious belief, sexual orientation or other status. We believe that laws and regulations which limit or deny freedoms and rights must have a valid, secular foundation.
Secondary Positions
The ACA considers the following positions to be logical extensions of our primary position statements.
Religious Displays
The ACA believes that religious displays on public property violate the establishment clause of the First Amendment and therefore should be banned. These displays represent favoritism toward a particular religion or group of religions and serve as an implicit endorsement. Additionally, they represent a divisive mechanism which marginalizes that segment of the population, religious or not, which does not subscribe to the represented beliefs.
The ACA believes that religious messages included in anthems, mottos and pledges are also violations of the First Amendment.
Creationism and Intelligent Design
Creationism is the religious assertion that life on Earth was created by a supernatural entity. While we support the right of any individual to hold this belief, it is unsupported by science, and the Supreme Court of the United States has rightly determined that creationism violates the "Lemon Test." As such, creationism constitutes promotion of religion and cannot be taught in public schools.
Intelligent Design is the assertion that the current theory of evolution and natural selection is insufficient to properly explain the complexity of life on Earth. While that objection may be reasonable, Intelligent Design proponents advance the additional claim that the correct explanation must include intervention by an intelligent entity. While they staunchly refuse to identify this entity, the general view among most advocates is that this entity is "God".
The Intelligent Design movement has been unable to support their assertions with scientific evidence and has often been called "Creationism in a lab coat" or "Creationism in disguise".
The ACA supports the various legal rulings which prohibit teaching these unproven assertions and religious opinions in public school science classes.
Public Education
The ACA believes that public education is absolutely essential to the future welfare of our nation, and the world. We support efforts to improve the quality of the public education by:
Encouraging the development of critical thinking skills
Instilling appreciation for the arts and humanities
Maintaining the integrity of science
Providing a safe, healthy and productive learning environment
As a government institution which serves citizens of many different social, economic and religious backgrounds, public education must remain neutral with regard to religion.
We believe that we must strive to provide all students with the equal opportunity to receive a robust and diverse education.
Reproductive Rights
The ACA holds that individual human rights necessarily include the premise of individual sovereignty with regard to decisions that affect one's person. In support of this premise, the ACA supports:
The right of all consenting adults, of all sexual preferences, to responsibly manage their own sexual activities without unnecessary interference or restriction
Robust and properly informative education regarding human sexuality, birth control, family planning, sexually transmitted disease and pregnancy termination
The ACA strongly opposes "abstinence-only" sex education. Abstinence-only sex education is a naive concept which ignores the reality of human sexuality and fails to properly educate individuals; often resulting in increased rates of unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease.
The ACA strongly opposes the "Global Gag Rule", and any similar legislation or restrictions which seeks to limit or provide preferential funding to health organizations based on the inclusion of abortion and abortion-education services in their programs. These actions represent the worst sort of manipulation; forcing clinics to jeopardize the health of many patients in order to receive much needed funding.
Madalyn Murray O'Hair who once resided in Austin, Texas founded and presided over the American Atheists organization. They profess the following beliefs or "Aims and Principles" as they prefer:
http://atheists.org/about-us/aims-and-purposes (http://atheists.org/about-us/aims-and-purposes)
AIMS AND PRINCIPLES
American Atheists, Inc. is a nonprofit, nonpolitical, educational organization dedicated to the complete and absolute separation of state and church, accepting the explanation of Thomas Jefferson that the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States was meant to create a "wall of separation" between state and church.
American Atheists, Inc., is organized
to stimulate and promote freedom of thought and inquiry concerning religious beliefs, creeds, dogmas, tenets, rituals, and practices;
to collect and disseminate information, data, and literature on all religions and promote a more thorough understanding of them, their origins, and their histories;
to advocate, labor for, and promote in all lawful ways the complete and absolute separation of state and church;
to advocate, labor for, and promote in all lawful ways the establishment and maintenance of a thoroughly secular system of education available to all;
to encourage the development and public acceptance of a humane ethical system stressing the mutual sympathy, understanding, and interdependence of all people and the corresponding responsibility of each individual in relation to society;
to develop and propagate a social philosophy in which humankind is central and must itself be the source of strength, progress, and ideals for the well-being and happiness of humanity;
to promote the study of the arts and sciences and of all problems affecting the maintenance, perpetuation, and enrichment of human (and other) life;
to engage in such social, educational, legal, and cultural activity as will be useful and beneficial to the members of American Atheists and to society as a whole.
Atheism may be defined as the mental attitude which unreservedly accepts the supremacy of reason and aims at establishing a life-style and ethical outlook verifiable by experience and scientific method, independent of all arbitrary assumptions of authority and creeds.
Materialism declares that the cosmos is devoid of immanent conscious purpose; that it is governed by its own inherent, immutable, and impersonal laws; that there is no supernatural interference in human life; that humankind -- finding their resources within themselves -- can and must create their own destiny. Materialism restores dignity and intellectual integrity to humanity. It teaches that we must prize our life on earth and strive always to improve it. It holds that human beings are capable of creating a social system based on reason and justice. Materialism's "faith" is in humankind and their ability to transform the world culture by their own efforts. This is a commitment which is in its very essence life-asserting. It considers the struggle for progress as a moral obligation that is impossible without noble ideas that inspire us to bold, creative works. Materialism holds that our potential for good and more fulfilling cultural development is, for all practical purposes, unlimited.
Put 20 atheists in a room and you'll get about 5-6 different definitions of atheism. Same with theists.
I don't care how, what, why an atheist defines or doesn't define their position......I know exactly what/who a person without God is.
What I enjoy about Sam's comment is how he begins by stating that the term "atheism" need not exist as the identity of "atheists" need not be defined by words and then concludes with redefining the term "atheism" with different words.
That said, just enjoy Dawkins' lecture/discussion LOL. ;D
Not a problem.....just a person that chooses to have no belief in God....simple as that. Reasons why vary from person to person. You'll most likely give me a different spin....fine. It'll still come back to what I just wrote.
I agree with Sam, don't need the term "atheist" or "atheism". I just found it funny that he still redefined it.
The energy expended to go nowhere is amusing.
am I without God?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.Ordinary claims require ordinary evidence (this statement in reference to the natural world/universe we live in).
There is no God, no Heaven, no Hell.
It was all created by man.
Religion is a way to control people and make them be "good" people and give them hope and comfort about death and bad things that happen in the world.
In conclusion:
Alice and Bob are two friends talking after school. Alice tells Bob that she watched a movie the previous evening. Bob believes her easily, because he knows that movies exist, that Alice exists, and that Alice is capable and fond of watching movies. If he doubts her, he might ask for a ticket stub or a confirmation from one of her friends. If, however, Alice tells Bob that she flew on a unicorn to a fairy kingdom where she participated in an ambrosia-eating contest, and she produces a professionally-printed contest certificate and a friend who would testify to the events described, Bob would still not be inclined to believe her without strong evidence for the existence of flying unicorns, fairies and ambrosia-eating contests.
You're welcome and have a great day.
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Man of Steel:
I know exactly what/who a person without God is.
An extremely arrogant statement. I didn't know you knew the innermost thoughts and being of all people who don't believe in God.
Again, the condescending and arrogant attitude of theists.
Ordinary claims require ordinary evidence (this statement in reference to the natural world/universe we live in).
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (this statement in reference to the divine God of the bible).
You've now transcended naturalism with the addition given the discussion on God so the addition of "extra" is insufficient.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and are also subject to extraordinary providence that may require proactivity by examiners in order to receive special revelation of extraordinary evidence.
In other words the scientific method works for the natural world, but once you step into the divine you're on God's terms. Refuse to submit to his will and you'll remain in the ordinary.
According to MOS, he knows exactly who you are without God.
Oh, this ought to be good. We get to find out who we are because MOS has some special knowledge about everyone who doesn't believe in a God. Oh, I cannot wait!
Sounds like a bittered guy because of the shape of his noggin.Schmoetoppa! :D
Putting aside all that intellectual dribble. It all comes down to this:
Its about faith. You can't test faith in a lab (this is what basically you said). Thus, you cannot prove or disprove God in 100% certainty. Though no amount of evidence from naturalistic means is going to change your mind, thus your faith.
Refuse to submit to his will and you'll remain in the ordinary.
I don't know what this means. Remain in the "ordinary." This makes no sense.
Yes, it is about faith and as I've told you faith doesn't remain blind when you experience the reality of Christ in your life. Faith matures and grows rock solid....you have full assurance in the heart about the reality of God when you come to him on his terms as defined in scripture.
Can't reproduce supernatural qualities in a natural laboratory.....you're out of your depth the moment you attempt to do so.
Want to know God, then listen to the personal testimonies of believers (natural evidence) that have experienced him and decide whether or not you would like to know him also. Then you must engage in faith as outlined in scripture (yes, you must first belief to know God). Do so with an earnest, humble desire to submit to his will in faith and he will reveal himself to you (extraordinary evidence).
Overload spoke of the extraordinary (supernatural), but its root is the ordinary (natural). The extraordinary is God's realm. Deny God and refuse his terms and all you'll understand is the ordinary (natural world).
Schmoetoppa! :D
These convos are funny to me cause people like sf1900 are putting just as much, if not more, energy into convincing people something doesn't exist as the believers are into defending their beliefs.
Nobody will change because of either argument. :D
On this topic, has anyone looked into the scientific studies done that confirm passages, events and people from the Bible?
These threads get thousands and thousands of views. I make sure and take the opportunity to represent my beliefs as best I'm able.
I'm never under any delusion whatsoever that the atheists of this board will convert to Christianity because of our discussions. I post for the sake of the viewer not replying that may not have made a decision for Christ.
Those who challenge my beliefs simply allow the platform to share Christ to continue on an on until eventual thread death.
I hope and occassionally receive PMs from folks who ask me questions privately about my faith because of these amusing threads that expend energy to go nowhere. :)
Christians believe relatively the same thing, especially those that follow the bible.Huh? Very weird line and doesn't make sense in reference to the term Christian.
Eh, I will pass. I do not need to experience any of the above experiences you have outlined. I prefer to live in the "ordinary" though I think the naturalistic world is pretty extraordinary. I don't need the metaphysical to experience the extraordinary. Every day I am alive I experience the extraordinary. Different experiences elicit different responses.I understand.
Hey, but if you want to believe in the metaphysical, more power to you! To each their own!
Gentlemen, please, let's not lose sight of the horror before our eyes:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=477973.0;attach=517796)
Yes, it is about faith and as I've told you faith doesn't remain blind when you experience the reality of Christ in your life. Faith matures and grows rock solid....you have full assurance in the heart about the reality of God when you come to him on his terms as defined in scripture.When did God reveal himself to you?
Can't reproduce supernatural qualities in a natural laboratory.....you're out of your depth the moment you attempt to do so.
Want to know God, then listen to the personal testimonies of believers (natural evidence) that have experienced him and decide whether or not you would like to know him also. Then you must engage in faith as outlined in scripture (yes, you must first believe to know God). Do so with an earnest, humble desire to submit to his will in faith and he will reveal himself to you (extraordinary evidence).
Overload spoke of the extraordinary (supernatural), but its root is the ordinary (natural). The extraordinary is God's realm. Deny God and refuse his terms and all you'll understand is the ordinary (natural world).
your philosophical essays are interesting, but your photoshopping skills could use some training. :)
When did God reveal himself to you?
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Eh, I will pass. I do not need to experience any of the above experiences you have outlined. I prefer to live in the "ordinary" though I think the naturalistic world is pretty extraordinary. I don't need the metaphysical to experience the extraordinary. Every day I am alive I experience the extraordinary. Different experiences elicit different responses.In other words you just trolled for 12 pages on a topic you don't really care about?
Hey, but if you want to believe in the metaphysical, more power to you! To each their own!
In other words you just trolled for 12 pages on a topic you don't really care about?
atheists and religious people will never have a fruitful discussion, so why spend 50 pages on Getbig on it?Exactly.
Man of Steel, Tbombz said that we are sinning by watching certain movies or listening to certain types of music. What movies/televisions shows should we watch and what type of music should we listen to? Should we leave on the Christian channel and radio 24/7? ??? ???
I'll let him answer that if he chooses, but I'd say the blatantly obvious tv to avoid is pornography. People are free to watch whatever they want.
I enjoy Christian tv and radio....it's not on 24/7 in my home, but it's on often. Not all secular materials are bad, sinful or anti-God.
Me personally I avoid the majority of tv and movies about the occult and Satanism. I don't like to bring attention or glorify that stuff in my own life.
Again, people are free to watch whatever they want. If you feel inside that something you're watching is not right then I'd stop watching it.
Ordinary claims require ordinary evidence (this statement in reference to the natural world/universe we live in).
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence (this statement in reference to the divine God of the bible).
You've now transcended naturalism with the addition given the discussion on God so the addition of "extra" is insufficient.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and are also subject to extraordinary providence that may require proactivity by examiners in order to receive special revelation of extraordinary evidence.
In other words the scientific method works for the natural world, but once you step into the divine you're on God's terms. Refuse to submit to his will and you'll remain in the ordinary.
What about horror movies that deal with the supernatural? Like, movies about ghost hauntings. Would these be considered movies about the occult? You don't watch those movies anymore?
But do you think God will care that you watched a movie about a ghost? What about the movie, "Ghost" with Patrick Swayze?
There is no God's terms, only what man has created and chose to believe in his own mind.
It's all based on faith in something that simply does not exist.
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The horror genre I don't watch anymore. Ultra-violent stuff I often avoid too. I just don't give my attention or glorify things that are overtly anti-God. Fictional stuff depicting magical characters and all that I'm fine with, but if it digresses it overt demonic or anti-God stuff I'll probably turn the channel.
The movie Ghost I've seen before, but is it sinful to watch it? I suppose that depends on how you respond to it. There are depictions of heaven and hell in some scences, physic abilities (occultish in nature), etc....do I endorse it for Christians? No. Should they avoid it at all costs? No.
For believers I'd say follow how the Holy Spirit leads you. I've started programs and turned them off within 5 minutes because it was foul or occultish or pornographic. I didn't care to see all that and sometimes felt lead to turn the channel....it's a believer thing.
But that doesn't make sense. If the movie Ghost with Swayze depicts heaven and hell, isn't that an accurate representation of the bible (heaven and hell)? The depictions of heaven and hell in the movie capture where people will go when they die. I would think that religious people would LOVE movies that accurately depict their religion.
Also, you don't watch shows that depict physical abilities. Does that mean you do not like "The X-Files?" How can you not like Mulder and Scully? :o :o
It's a depiction yes. Is it accurate? No. Not gonna waste time arguing over Ghost.
Like I said, do I endorse it for Christians? No. Should they avoid it at all costs? No.
So, if I ever visited you at your home, you wouldn't watch Mulder and Scully solve some supernatural crimes with me? :-\ :'( :'(
what about the accounts of Jesus miracles, psychic prophecy etc should we avoid that too because it is occult?
I don't attribute the miracles of Christ or prophetic scripture to be part of the occult.
It was the Pharisees who attributed Christ's miracles to be sourced from demonic power and most everyone knows how that story ends.
but if someone else healed, read minds, levitated etc you would consider it occult (or in other words it seems, demonic) ? Is that not committing the same sin the Pharisees did? Or maybe not if it had the stamp of Christ/Christian on it like Saint Francis of Assisi?
There was a time where anyone of you could of had this for 20 or 30 bucks if you so desired.
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That is a very reasonable price for that lamp.
Miracles within other faiths are absolutely demonic in nature even if that faith doesn't necessarily espouse demonology.
says who? Jesus? Is Christ not all pervading? therefore His power could manifest through a tibetan buddhist as much as a born againer?
I think your still on the surface of the matter.
It looks like a bra strap except it's on the back of his thong.
What's that all about?
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but God is all pervading even if your rigid belief is not. God is not only accessible to born again Christians. This is such narrow thinking!
Matthew 7:13-14
The Narrow Gate
13 “You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell[a] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it.
Jesus Christ is the narrow gate.
I knew that one was coming lol
To me an accurate translation of narrow here would mean the exclusive mental concentration needed to break through to the kingdom of god not narrowness of belief.
The horror genre I don't watch anymore. Ultra-violent stuff I often avoid too. I just don't give my attention or glorify things that are overtly anti-God. Fictional stuff depicting magical characters and all that I'm fine with, but if it digresses it overt demonic or anti-God stuff I'll probably turn the channel.Funny cause God seemed to be pretty "ultra-violent" when he wanted to be.
The movie Ghost I've seen before, but is it sinful to watch it? I suppose that depends on how you respond to it. There are depictions of heaven and hell in some scences, physic abilities (occultish in nature), etc....do I endorse it for Christians? No. Should they avoid it at all costs? No.
For believers I'd say follow how the Holy Spirit leads you. I've started programs and turned them off within 5 minutes because it was foul or occultish or pornographic. I didn't care to see all that and sometimes felt lead to turn the channel....it's a believer thing.
Funny cause God seemed to be pretty "ultra-violent" when he wanted to be.
Can you point that theology to me in biblical scripture?
no I cannot, its how yogis and such interpret it.
Was he justified?I don't believe in the bible, so you are asking the wrong person :-*
no I cannot, its how yogis and such interpret it.
I don't believe in the bible, so you are asking the wrong person :-*
Bigro, do you think the meditative state and enlightenment achieved by Tibetan Monks is similar to the Christian finding/being saved by God?
depends what kind of Christian, the christian monks who meditate and who live very simple lives and have hours of silence in their days yes. Otherwise not really. But to me Jesus is an enlightened yogi and there is no conflict between him and other spiritual paths.
And that is the main issue with you. The only difference between a yogi and you, if God is real, is that you get to go to heaven and they don't. Other than that, there existence can be exactly like yours, maybe even better. Thus, it seems like the only reason to be aligned with JC is to get your free ticket into heaven, since you and the nonbeliever can both lead similar existences on earth. The only difference MAY be after we die. But I am not going to believe in JC just based on the assumption that I may or may not get into heaven. In my opinion, my heart breaks for people like you. I feel sorry for someone like you, and I am sure you feel sorry for someone like me.
Believers in Christ want to align with Christ and be with Christ because they love him for what he did for them on Calvary's cross.
We desire to know God and be made righteous....no earthly work or attitude can achieve that level of righteousness. It's only through Christ.
Can we change the thread title to "SF1900 vs. Man of Steel" ?
Can we change the thread title to "SF1900 vs. Man of Steel" ?
But do you believe the typical tales in the bible of heaven and hell, etc?
Well, would you rather listen to me or crazy Uberman? ;D ;D
Wrong. I do not need to believe in a higher power to be that righteous. I can achieve that with or without Christ in my life. In fact, I believe many Tibetan Monks achieve that level of righteousness. Again, there is no evidence to suggest that one must believe in god or JC to achieve that level of righteousness. This is another area we are going to have to agree to disagree on.
LOL!! "Wrong". Ok, I'm wrong then.....I give.
Have a blessed day!
15 pages! You all have done Tbombz proud.
it is our humble duty to please the pastor.
I'm thinking I should watch his whole video. ;D
I watch the whole video every morning as I drink my green tea and sit in a meditative position.
I'm thinking I should watch his whole video. ;D
Well, let me rephrase. Your "wrong" according to my subjective view based on my life, but you're right according your subjective view point. You think you can only lead a righteous existence via JC and I disagree. So, you're not really "wrong," as I stated. Poor choice of words on my part.
The righteous acts of men cannot bridge the gulf between man and God only Christ can do that on our behalf.
but asking Jesus to save us is somehow the only righteous act that is outside the realm of personal willpower? Its like we can command the grace of God to act and save, like God has no choice in the matter. Convenient.
If I got down on my knees right now and said Lord Jesus come in to my life, none but you are Lord and Savoir, save me a worthless sinner!...well nothing would happen really lol.
In other words you just trolled for 12 pages on a topic you don't really care about?everyone is trolling according to you.
The righteous acts of men cannot bridge the gulf between man and God only Christ can do that on our behalf.
but asking Jesus to save us is somehow the only righteous act that is outside the realm of personal willpower? Its like we can command the grace of God to act and save, like God has no choice in the matter. Convenient.
If I got down on my knees right now and said Lord Jesus come in to my life, none but you are Lord and Savoir, save me a worthless sinner!...well nothing would happen really lol.
if I took a shit load of mushrooms I might be seeing Jesus everywhere.
from Pascal Boyer's Religion Explained (pp. 1-2)
A neighbor in the village tells me that I should protect myself against witches. Otherwise they could hit me with invisible darts that will get inside my veins and poison my blood. A shaman burns tobacco leaves in front of a row of statuettes and starts talking to them. He says he must send them on a journey to distant villages in the sky. The point of all this is to cure someone whose mind is held hostage by invisible spirits.
A group of believers goes around, warning everyone that the end is nigh. Judgement Day is scheduled for October 2. This day passes and nothing happens. The group carries on, telling everyone the end is nigh (the date has been changed). Villagers organize a ceremony to tell a goddess she is not wanted in their village anymore. She failed to protect them from epidemics, so they decided to "drop" her and find a more efficient replacement.
An assembly of priests finds offensive what some people say about what happened several centuries ago in a distant place, where a virgin is said to have given birth to a child. So these people must be massacred. Members of a cult on an island decide to slaughter all their livestock and burn their crops. All these will be useless now, they say, because a ship full of goods and money will reach their shores very shortly in recognition of their good deeds.
My friends are told to go to church or some other quiet place and talk to an invisible person who is everywhere in the world. That invisible listener already knows what they will say, because He knows everything. I am told that if I want to please powerful dead people—who could help me in times of need—I should pour the blood of a live white goat on the right hand side of a particular rock. But if I use a goat of a different color or another rock, it will not work at all.
You may be tempted to dismiss these vignettes as just so many examples of the rich tapestry of human folly. Or perhaps you think that these illustrations, however succinct (one could fill volumes with such accounts), bear witness to an admirable human capacity to comprehend life and the universe. Both reactions leave questions unanswered. Why do people have such thoughts? What prompts them to do such things? Why do they have such different beliefs? Why are they so strongly committed to them?
Happy Thursday!!!
Lol @ Drunken Donny ;Djust talking the truth about you. Cranium freak. you can ban me from the training section but you can´t stop me saying my opinion
I gave watching Tbombz' video a decent try. I just couldn't do it without skipping forward. He seems very passionate, that's for sure. It's a passion that borders on fanaticism. I wonder what the next big addiction will be in his life. In the short time he's been around, he's done more crazy stuff than most people get into in a lifetime. Being around him must be very difficult. Fanatics frighten me. There is always the possibility he's putting everyone on. If that's the case, he's quite the actor.
I highly doubt he is putting everyone on. Just look at his facebook. :-\ :-\
I highly doubt he is putting everyone on. Just look at his facebook. :-\ :-\
how does he have 'relations' with his wife without you know what? condoms are unbiblical...
Bigro, we all know Christians cherry pick parts of the bible they want to follow and ignore other parts. Hes probably just ignoring that part. OR, he is having unprotected sex with her. :-X
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I'm not sure a female can make tbombz achieve an erection.
Bigro, we all know Christians cherry pick parts of the bible they want to follow and ignore other parts. Hes probably just ignoring that part. OR, he is having unprotected sex with her. :-X
Bigro, we all know Christians cherry pick parts of the bible they want to follow and ignore other parts. Hes probably just ignoring that part. OR, he is having unprotected sex with her. :-X(https://i.imgflip.com/eqna4.jpg)
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Who won? Jesus or SF?Jesus has billions of followers, how many does sf1900 have?
Who won? Jesus or SF?
MOS is the Father and Tbomz is the Son
MOS is the Father and Tbomz is the Son
Not too happy. Spent last night and today in ICU. Should get sprung tomorrow.You’re old, hospitals happen. Back off the booze.