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Still not seeing much fat loss. Macros around 60 f, 35 p, 5 c
Cals ranging typically from 2600 to 3200. Not alot.
Dont want to start dropping cals to soon and end up early summer having to maintain a 1800 cal diet.
hIIT cardio is 10 min a day (4-5 times a week, treadmill)
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Still not seeing much fat loss. Macros around 60 f, 35 p, 5 c
Cals ranging typically from 2600 to 3200. Not alot.
Dont want to start dropping cals to soon and end up early summer having to maintain a 1800 cal diet.
hIIT cardio is 10 min a day (4-5 times a week, treadmill)
Your HIIT is 10 minutes on the treadmill?
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Your HIIT is 10 minutes on the treadmill?
After lifting yes...My idea was to elevate heart rate rapidly. The idea is to let diet do most of the work.
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2600 to 3200 is a lot of calories if you're cutting. Have you even figured out how much your baseline is? You need to take in less than what you require to lose fat.
How tall are you? how much do you currently weigh?
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After lifting yes...My idea was to elevate heart rate rapidly. The idea is to let diet do most of the work.
Are you sprinting on the TM or doing the Cutler Stroll?
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2600 to 3200 is a lot of calories if you're cutting. Have you even figured out how much your baseline is? You need to take in less than what you require to lose fat.
How tall are you? how much do you currently weigh?
6ft, probably 14 bf. 210 lbs.
3200 is basically maintenence for me according to calculators.
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Maybe do like joon and buy keto sticks and test to see if you are in ketosis. Maybe you need to clean up the diet a little and get rid of some more carbs.
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Are you sprinting on the TM or doing the Cutler Stroll?
Sprinting.
30 sec light jog, 30 second blast from 8-10mph. 10 reps of the blast
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Maybe do like joon and buy keto sticks and test to see if you are in ketosis. Maybe you need to clean up the diet a little and get rid of some more carbs.
My carbs are only coming from greens, one or two serving of nuts or nut butter, and trace dairy stuff like my whey shake. Definitely under 30g a day like the diet calls for
Maybe i just need to give it a solid 2 months before casting judgement
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My carbs are only coming from greens, one or two serving of nuts or nut butter, and trace dairy stuff like my whey shake. Definitely under 30g a day like the diet calls for
Maybe i just need to give it a solid 2 months before casting judgement
How much have you lost in the 38 days?
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Sprinting.
30 sec light jog, 30 second blast from 8-10mph. 10 reps of the blast
8 mph is a jog
For HIIT at that short level of activity to be truly effective, that 30 sec has to be MAX effort.
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How much have you lost in the 38 days?
Interesting enough, no real loss. Id say slightly hardened up with arm veins more pronounced but scale is either same or up a lb or two
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8 mph is a jog
For HIIT at that short level of activity to be truly effective, that 30 sec has to be MAX effort.
Sounds like heart attack levels. 8 mph when your doin reps is hard as shit for me but yeah i typically try for 9-10
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Too many cals, IMO at that weight and bf or are you looking for more of a recomp type thing and not a straight up diet?
Agree on hiit as well. Do that longer or drop cals.
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Too many cals, IMO at that weight and bf or are you looking for more of a recomp type thing and not a straight up diet?
Agree on hiit as well. Do that longer or drop cals.
Intention was a recomp esq to see just how effective hi fat low carb could be. I thought 40 days in the results would be much more evident. Training is great though, tons of energy.
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My carbs are only coming from greens, one or two serving of nuts or nut butter, and trace dairy stuff like my whey shake. Definitely under 30g a day like the diet calls for
Maybe i just need to give it a solid 2 months before casting judgement
You forgot about your cheat day, that I told you would definitely screw up your fat loss plans.
Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale, M.D. was also a world champion Power Lifter. His ANABOLIC DIET wasn't geared to Bodybuilding, it was for building and maintaining over all strength, without accumulating way too much useless body fat. You seem to be confusing the generic word "diet," with fat loss. Not true. "Diet" it is just what you eat. For fat loss, your "diet" must be a "fat loss diet." An Anabolic Diet, with a cheat day once a week, when you pig out on carbs, won't work for body fat loss at all. It will help you maintain weight, while growing muscle, but it won't get rid of appreciable amounts of body fat. To get that done, you have to lose the cheat day, and do the Anabolic Diet 7 days per week, with no cheating at all. Otherwise you are wasting your time.
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Gotcha, always good to experiment. Did the same thing years ago myself when trying to find the "perfect" diet. Came to conclusion that no such thing. It is still essentially get protein/cals in and rest fill with whatever you want. I felt terrible on low carb diets so I don't do them. Prefer higher carb, but if you feel great then that's awesome. Just, like i wrote, I came to conclusion that it's not magic by any means and myself did not perform optimally on it.
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Order a stew smith fitness book, put weight on your back and get outside........you'll lean out no problem.
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You forgot about your cheat day, that I told you would definitely screw up your fat loss plans.
Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale, M.D. was also a world champion Power Lifter. His ANABOLIC DIET wasn't geared to Bodybuilding, it was for building and maintaining over all strength, without accumulating way too much useless body fat. You seem to be confusing the generic word "diet," with fat loss. Not true. "Diet" it is just what you eat. For fat loss, your "diet" must be a "fat loss diet." An Anabolic Diet, with a cheat day once a week, when you pig out on carbs, won't work for body fat loss at all. It will help you maintain weight, while growing muscle, but it won't get rid of appreciable amounts of body fat. To get that done, you have to lose the cheat day, and do the Anabolic Diet 7 days per week, with no cheating at all. Otherwise you are wasting your time.
Ok but what about the calorie intake. AD says my maintence is way higher than even what im doing
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6' 220, 14BF, then 3200 is too much. basically keep track of calories and tweak down a bit until you start noticing a difference. Are you doing the refeeds on the weekend just munching on carbs?
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6' 220, 14BF, then 3200 is too much. basically keep track of calories and tweak down a bit until you start noticing a difference. Are you doing the refeeds on the weekend just munching on carbs?
My refeed is saturday only. Morning till bed. Sugary carbs like protein bars, normal people dinners and lunches and small dessert. Ill probably cut the majority of this junk out like Erik C said
Why are all these maintenece calculators and AD diet instructions saying that my maintenence is like 3200-3600?
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My refeed is saturday only. Morning till bed. Sugary carbs like protein bars, normal people dinners and lunches and small dessert. Ill probably cut the majority of this junk out like Erik C said
I tried that diet. After a big carb breakfast on Sunday I just wanted to sleep all day.
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Ok but what about the calorie intake. AD says my maintence is way higher than even what im doing
Calories don't make you fat. Calories from carbs are what makes you fat. If you don't believe that, then you just don't get what extremely low carb dieting is all about. In my experience, all the people that I have ever known, who counted calories, and included carbs in their daily diet, were fat, and stayed fat, and will probably die fat, because they just don't get why they are fat in the first place: Eating Carbs!
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Calories don't make you fat. Calories from carbs are what makes you fat. If you don't believe that, then you just don't get what extremely low carb dieting is all about. In my experience, all the people that I have ever known, who counted calories, and included carbs in their daily diet, were fat, and stayed fat, and will probably die fat, because they just don't get why they are fat in the first place: Eating Carbs!
Dude i just said im under 30g a day...yet nothing is happening all that much, so calories in and and out definitely have some role. One semi refeed day i doubt is doing any harm. Even pasquale says that. I read his book
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Your HIIT is 10 minutes on the treadmill?
HIIT is fueled by glucose. Shouldn't even be doing HIIT if he's eating low carb like that.
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Calories don't make you fat. Calories from carbs are what makes you fat. If you don't believe that, then you just don't get what extremely low carb dieting is all about. In my experience, all the people that I have ever known, who counted calories, and included carbs in their daily diet, were fat, and stayed fat, and will probably die fat, because they just don't get why they are fat in the first place: Eating Carbs!
10k cals per day all from fat/protein = not get fat? Please explain.
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HIIT is fueled by glucose. Shouldn't even be doing HIIT if he's eating low carb like that.
Thats why i was only doing 10 min, but calories are not super low so i thought it would help with fat loss
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8 mph is a jog
For HIIT at that short level of activity to be truly effective, that 30 sec has to be MAX effort.
You can't possibly be serious. Fuck off dude! Maybe 8mph is fast for him. When you repeat the effort, I gets pretty though!
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Calories don't make you fat. Calories from carbs are what makes you fat. If you don't believe that, then you just don't get what extremely low carb dieting is all about. In my experience, all the people that I have ever known, who counted calories, and included carbs in their daily diet, were fat, and stayed fat, and will probably die fat, because they just don't get why they are fat in the first place: Eating Carbs!
Posting card revoked...
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10k cals per day all from fat/protein = not get fat? Please explain.
Protein and fat don't make you fat, as long as you don't go over 30% protein in your diet. It's carbs, primarily sugars and starches, that make you fat.
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Posting card revoked...
You must be one of those fat Dietitians, that tell other people the "facts" about fat loss. LOL!
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You can't possibly be serious. Fuck off dude! Maybe 8mph is fast for him. When you repeat the effort, I gets pretty though!
Gotta say for that short of an outburst grape is probably right unless your fitness level is really, really low. That's like a 7.5 minute mile and we are talking about sprints here. You really, really have to push it if doing 30 second interval sprints for that short amount of time to get results if doing it for caloric/metabolism boost benefits.
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You must be one of those fat Dietitians, that tell other people the "facts" about fat loss. LOL!
My pics are on here, yours are not, Mr. Atkins.
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HIIT is fueled by glucose. Shouldn't even be doing HIIT if he's eating low carb like that.
If you are on an extremely low carb diet, then your workouts will be fueled by body fat. That's why you lose body fat on an extremely low carb diet, you're burning body fat for energy.
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There is a lot of brahscience ITT.
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Erik, your actually saying that 10k calories of 30 percent protein and minimal/no carbs...a person wouldnt get fat? Come on now...
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Erik, your actually saying that 10k calories of 30 percent protein and minimal/no carbs...a person wouldnt get fat? Come on now...
The human body is made of ingested proteins and fats. Carbs only provide energy, from glucose, if it is used immediately, some glycogen storage, and the rest is stored as body fat. Fats and proteins are what builds and repairs everything in your body. Fats and proteins are useful. Carbs aren't useful. The body works fine using fat for fuel. You don't need to eat carbs. That's why there are NO essential carbohydrates, only essential fatty acids (fats), and essential amino acids (proteins). Eating an extremely low carb diet, means you are only eating the essentials that your body really needs.
The body can only digest, absorb and assimilate only so much fat and protein. So eating a lot of fat (70%), and Protein (30%), won't get you fat, even though your calorie intake is high.
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10k cals per day all from fat/protein = not get fat? Please explain.
What does that even look like? An entire cow?
Diet, train, cardio day in day out. I don't think I even eat cheat meals anymore or refeeds whatever is the name for not having discipline. Works great for me
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The human body is made of ingested proteins and fats. Carbs only provide energy, from glucose, if it is used immediately, some glycogen storage, and the rest is stored as body fat. Fats and proteins are what builds and repairs everything in your body. Fats and proteins are useful. Carbs aren't useful. The body works fine using fat for fuel. You don't need to eat carbs. That's why their are NO essential carbohydrates, only essential fatty acids (fats), and essential amino acids (proteins). Eating an extremely low carb diet, means you are only eating the essentials that your body really needs.
The body can only digest, absorb and assimilate only so much fat and protein. So eating a lot of fat (70%), and Protein (30%), won't get you fat, even though your calorie intake is high.
Basically you'll just die of a heartattack. Didn't Atkins die of a heart attack? Ironic ain't it.
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Basically you'll just die of a heartattack. Didn't Atkins die of a heart attack? Ironic ain't it.
I think the logic is that starch and sugars cause ldl and inflammation to rise. Grassfed beefs, wild fish, oils, niuts and greens is NOT an unhealthy way of eating at all. Im not talkin atkins shit where people eating salami and pork rinds. Gotta use common sense
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You can't possibly be serious. Fuck off dude! Maybe 8mph is fast for him. When you repeat the effort, I gets pretty though!
Well, he said his range of sprint is 8-10 mph, so even for HIM 8 mph is at least 20% less than his max effort.
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Basically you'll just die of a heartattack. Didn't Atkins die of a heart attack? Ironic ain't it.
No. Atkins didn't die of a heart attack. He slipped on ice, and hit his head, went into a coma, and never woke up. While he was on life support, his kidneys shut down and they kept giving him fluids, and he swelled up to over 250lbs, before he died, but in his annual physical, just a few months before his accident, he weighed in at 196lbs. Vegans have been lying about how he was a fat slob when he died, as well as that he died of a heart attack. That's where those false rumors about Dr. Atkins death came from.
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Calories too high. Stop with the nonsense diets and just fill the calories with whatever you want. Try around 2400 if you want to keep it a bit higher but still low enough to lose.
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Calories too high. Stop with the nonsense diets and just fill the calories with whatever you want. Try around 2400 if you want to keep it a bit higher but still low enough to lose.
That is what im gonna do. Love the AD though, i feel great on it
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your probably training to much strength training to lose the fat
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That is what im gonna do. Love the AD though, i feel great on it
And you would feel even better, and get the body fat loss you want, if you really did an Anabolic Fat Loss Diet for bodybuilding correctly, by getting rid of the cheat days, and stick to that diet only, until you achieve the fat loss results that you are looking for. The 38 days aren't entirely wasted. You have gotten used to the AD, now just doing it everyday will give you visible results in another 30 days. You can't look superior by eating like everyone else. You're in training. Bite the bullet, and just do it. Do it right, not half assed, if you want results,
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And you would feel even better, and get the body fat loss you want, if you really did an Anabolic Fat Loss Diet for bodybuilding correctly, by getting rid of the cheat days, and stick to that diet only, until you achieve the fat loss results that you are looking for. The 38 days aren't entirely wasted. You have gotten used to the AD, now just doing it everyday will give you visible results in another 30 days. You can't look superior by eating like everyone else. You're in training. Bite the bullet, and just do it. Do it right, not half assed, if you want results,
I downloaded the pdf and read all of it. He specifically says 24-36hr refeed per week
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Still not seeing much fat loss. Macros around 60 f, 35 p, 5 c
Cals ranging typically from 2600 to 3200. Not alot.
Dont want to start dropping cals to soon and end up early summer having to maintain a 1800 cal diet.
hIIT cardio is 10 min a day (4-5 times a week, treadmill)
210 x 10 = 2100cal. Now break your macros down. Fifth day carbs, 10th day cheat day. In other words, cycle your carbs. HIIT should be worked up to no more than 25min. That's it in a nut shell.
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I downloaded the pdf and read all of it. He specifically says 24-36hr refeed per week
That's not for body fat loss, as I explained above. Doing it with the refeed is to get bigger and stronger without gaining too much useless body fat. If you want to lose the useless body fat that you already have, then you have to cut out the refeed cheat day, or it won't work for body fat loss. It's that simple. I told you that it wouldn't work, the first time you posted that you were going to try AD, unless you didn't cheat at all. 38 days later you didn't lose the body fat. Had you not cheated, then you should have lost a least 15# of body fat by now. So who did you cheat? You cheated yourself.
So do whatever. Go back to counting calories. That won't work either, though it will burn hard earned muscle tissue, and still leave you pudgy looking. GL.
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210 x 10 = 2100cal. Now break your macros down. Fifth day carbs, 10th day cheat day. In other words, cycle your carbs. HIIT should be worked up to no more than 25min. That's it in a nut shell.
Where are you getting the 210x10? Is that cutting calorie formula? If so, is that maintainable ", i.e once i get down that low, can i ride that all summer or will i get "metabolic damage"?
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That's not for body fat loss, as I explained above. Doing it with the refeed is to get bigger and stronger without gaining too much useless body fat. If you want to lose the useless body fat that you already have, then you have to cut out the refeed cheat day, or it won't work for body fat loss. It's that simple. I told you that it wouldn't work, the first time you posted that you were going to try AD, unless you didn't cheat at all. 38 days later you didn't lose the body fat. Had you not cheated, then you should have lost a least 15# of body fat by now. So who did you cheat? You cheated yourself.
So do whatever. Go back to counting calories. That won't work either, though it will burn hard earned muscle tissue, and still leave you pudgy looking. GL.
The Dr. Said the refeeds just shuttle glycogen in the muscle and there is no fat gain if done right and can be implemented during the cutting phase. Did i miss something?
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Drop all cheat/refeed meals..just do keto and stick to it..your body will adapt to the diet the longer you're on it..if you keep refeeding it will mess you up and keep you craving those foods. You have to decide how badly do you want to attain your goal..get serious and you'll see results.
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The Dr. Said the refeeds just shuttle glycogen in the muscle and there is no fat gain if done right and can be implemented during the cutting phase. Did i miss something?
The point that you are missing, is that no fat gain, is not the same as losing body fat, and losing body fat is your main goal. The refeeds only succeed in maintaining your current amount of body fat. To lose your current amount of body fat, you have to give up the refeed/cheat days.
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Drop all cheat/refeed meals..just do keto and stick to it..your body will adapt to the diet the longer you're on it..if you keep refeeding it will mess you up and keep you craving those foods. You have to decide how badly do you want to attain your goal..get serious and you'll see results.
Bingo. No cheats! This is how you make it happen.
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If you are on an extremely low carb diet, then your workouts will be fueled by body fat. That's why you lose body fat on an extremely low carb diet, you're burning body fat for energy.
HIIT is anaerobic. At levels beyond 70% of max heart rate, the pathway is not sufficient to burn bodyfat during the intense exercise. The body will burn mostly glucose. If there is none available the body will make it itself via gluconeogenesis, and that's where it takes it from protein in muscle tissue. There is an HIIT aferburn effect, but if you're on low carb, your best bet to minimize muscle loss is to do steady stream cardio, at levels below 70% max heart rate. I've seen far too many people over the years make the mistake of doing HIIT such as Insanity on ultra low carb diets, and then end up looking like smaller, flabbier versions of their former heavier selves, because they sacrificed too much muscle tissue in their quest to lose 'weight'.
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HIIT is anaerobic. At levels beyond 70% of max heart rate, the pathway is not sufficient to burn bodyfat during the intense exercise. The body will burn mostly glucose. If there is none available the body will make it itself via gluconeogenesis, and that's where it takes it from protein in muscle tissue. There is an HIIT aferburn effect, but if you're on low carb, your best bet to minimize muscle loss is to do steady stream cardio, at levels below 70% max heart rate. I've seen far too many people over the years make the mistake of doing HIIT such as Insanity on ultra low carb diets, and then end up looking like smaller, flabbier versions of their former heavier selves, because they sacrificed too much muscle tissue in their quest to lose 'weight'.
Most people who do extremely low carb, don't increase their fat and protein intake enough. HIIT is anaerobic, Insanity and the other BeachBody garbage is just aerobic, and burns muscle tissue like
crazy. Never heard of anyone in BeachBody doing extremely low carb diet. Their crappy shakes and all their other products are loaded with carbs, and BeachBody is a MLM scam. I full tilt sprint at top speed. I'm not burning muscle tissue, as I eat plenty of protein. Gluconeogenesis is not a bad thing, as it is also a healing, and muscle cell replacing process, that gets rid of old and damaged muscle cells.
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HIIT is anaerobic. At levels beyond 70% of max heart rate, the pathway is not sufficient to burn bodyfat during the intense exercise. The body will burn mostly glucose. If there is none available the body will make it itself via gluconeogenesis, and that's where it takes it from protein in muscle tissue. There is an HIIT aferburn effect, but if you're on low carb, your best bet to minimize muscle loss is to do steady stream cardio, at levels below 70% max heart rate. I've seen far too many people over the years make the mistake of doing HIIT such as Insanity on ultra low carb diets, and then end up looking like smaller, flabbier versions of their former heavier selves, because they sacrificed too much muscle tissue in their quest to lose 'weight'.
Interesting, thanks...so 30 minutes uphill treadmill walk or something?
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Most people who do extremely low carb, don't increase their fat and protein intake enough. HIIT is anaerobic, Insanity and the other BeachBody garbage is just aerobic, and burns muscle tissue like
crazy. Never heard of anyone in BeachBody doing extremely low carb diet. Their crappy shakes and all their other products are loaded with carbs, and BeachBody is a MLM scam. I full tilt sprint at top speed. I'm not burning muscle tissue, as I eat plenty of protein. Gluconeogenesis is not a bad thing, as it is also a healing, and muscle cell replacing process, that gets rid of old and damaged muscle cells.
Insanity falls into the high intensity exercise category, it's anaerobic, not aerobic. It's fueled mostly by glucose. I think you're missing the point here. Bottom line is this: If you are eating an ultra low carbohydrate diet and performing HIIT style training, intervals, Insanity, etc, you are at very high risk of burning away that wonderful muscle tissue you spent years building. If you're ultra low carb, do steady-state cardio only (if you must do cardio at all). Steady-state cardio is aerobic; it requires oxygen and is fueled primarily by bodyfat. Once you crank that shit up beyond 70% max heart rate, you're doing more harm than good if you're eating ultra low carb. Like I've said, I've seen tons of people make this mistake when dieting. keep the cardio sloooooooooooooow when low carb bro.
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Interesting, thanks...so 30 minutes uphill treadmill walk or something?
Do whatever cardio keeps you between 120-150 bpm. You can get away with HIIT for a couple days following your refeeds, but after that, switch back to steady state cardio as your glycogen levels are near depletion.
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low incline on the treadmill. Try to stay between 120-150 bpm. You can get away with HIIT for a couple days following your refeeds, but after that, switch back to steady state cardio as your glycogen levels are near depletion.
that's really well said, logical...
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Insanity falls into the high intensity exercise category, it's anaerobic, not aerobic. It's fueled mostly by glucose. I think you're missing the point here. Bottom line is this: If you are eating an ultra low carbohydrate diet and performing HIIT style training, intervals, Insanity, etc, you are at very high risk of burning away that wonderful muscle tissue you spent years building. If you're ultra low carb, do steady-state cardio only (if you must do cardio at all). Steady-state cardio is aerobic; it requires oxygen and is fueled primarily by bodyfat. Once you crank that shit up beyond 70% max heart rate, you're doing more harm than good if you're eating ultra low carb. Like I've said, I've seen tons of people make this mistake when dieting. keep the cardio sloooooooooooooow when low carb bro.
Anyone who thinks that any product from the BeachBody MLM scam, is anything but a pile of shit, doesn't know anything about fitness. As I told you, if you eat plenty of protein, you don't have to worry about gluconeogenesis. When your insulin levels are low, as they are on an extremely low carb, high fat, high protein diet, it is easily possible to burn fat for energy. Moreover the longer you avoid carbs in your diet, the more your body adapts to burning fat for energy.
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Maybe do like joon and buy ketokebabs sticks and test to see if you are in ketosis. Maybe you need to clean up the diet a little and get rid of some more carbs.
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You forgot about your cheat day, that I told you would definitely screw up your fat loss plans.
Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale, M.D. was also a world champion Power Lifter. His ANABOLIC DIET wasn't geared to Bodybuilding, it was for building and maintaining over all strength, without accumulating way too much useless body fat. You seem to be confusing the generic word "diet," with fat loss. Not true. "Diet" it is just what you eat. For fat loss, your "diet" must be a "fat loss diet." An Anabolic Diet, with a cheat day once a week, when you pig out on carbs, won't work for body fat loss at all. It will help you maintain weight, while growing muscle, but it won't get rid of appreciable amounts of body fat. To get that done, you have to lose the cheat day, and do the Anabolic Diet 7 days per week, with no cheating at all. Otherwise you are wasting your time.
He too copied Vince Gironda diet from 1960 ;)
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Surprise
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Up your tren
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6ft, probably 14 bf. 210 lbs.
3200 is basically maintenence for me according to calculators.
Way too many.
Try 2000
Fuck calculators....bodyweigh t x10 works every time
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Way too many.
Try 2000
Fuck calculators....bodyweight x10 works every time
THIS!!!
HOw about knowing basic shit and going by logic in regards to what works for you??? I feel sorry for people who need to log in their shit, have it calculated by a computer to figure out calories. Flat out pathetic.
YOu should know this shit like the veins on your cock.... No excuses not to know it.
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Anyone watch survivor? They are on the island for 39 days. Eat rice, beans and fruit. All carbs. Almost everyone who started the show fat ends up super skinny after a few weeks. Some are unrecognizable from the fat loss. The reason is the super low calories. Not eating just fat and meat.
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THIS!!!
HOw about knowing basic shit and going by logic in regards to what works for you??? I feel sorry for people who need to log in their shit, have it calculated by a computer to figure out calories. Flat out pathetic.
YOu should know this shit like the veins on your Boyfriend's cock.... No excuses not to know it.
sorry...had to ;D
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Way too many.
Try 2000
Fuck calculators....bodyweigh t x10 works every time
When you say "bodyweight" I assume you mean lean mass and not to include the fat you're trying to lose.
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I can do the low cals, honestly. Ive done it before and effectively, although i end up at the end running a 1600 cal diet and after weeks of looking good...your body on tjat low of cals starts to get fat again, even when that low. Your body basically says enough and 1600 becomes ur baseline.
What appealed to me about AD was the high cals and being able to "cut" at that since ur using fat as fuel. I dont think its that easy as some have said in here.
I am going to drop to 2200 and run that for a while with MILD cardio and GVT training. I just dont want to end up shredded in late april and then not be able to maintain the conditioning if cals get too low.
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I am going to drop to 2200 and run that for a while with MILD cardio and GVT training. I just dont want to end up shredded in late april and then not be able to maintain the conditioning if cals get too low.
Sounds like a good plan.
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GVT training on keto?
Don't do it man, oh shit, that is not gonna work, lol!
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The human body is made of ingested proteins and fats. Carbs only provide energy, from glucose, if it is used immediately, some glycogen storage, and the rest is stored as body fat. Fats and proteins are what builds and repairs everything in your body. Fats and proteins are useful. Carbs aren't useful. The body works fine using fat for fuel. You don't need to eat carbs. That's why their are NO essential carbohydrates, only essential fatty acids (fats), and essential amino acids (proteins). Eating an extremely low carb diet, means you are only eating the essentials that your body really needs.
The body can only digest, absorb and assimilate only so much fat and protein. So eating a lot of fat (70%), and Protein (30%), won't get you fat, even though your calorie intake is high.
Then explain why the OP is not losing weight???
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Then explain why the OP is not losing weight???
I already explained it. Read the whole thread before you post stupid questions.
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I already explained it. Read the whole thread before you post stupid questions.
OK asshole, no more nice guy with your trollish shit no more.
Posting card revoked mother fucker.
You serve no purpose here and have yet to post a pic that you even lift. So suck it fag, you have 0, no voice here whatsoever so how about doing everyone a favor and fuckin' the hell off?
Thanks dipshit.
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Erik, your actually saying that 10k calories of 30 percent protein and minimal/no carbs...a person wouldnt get fat? Come on now...
Dude, fuck this guy, he's trolling, don't seek him for advice, we all know he's a fake. Fuck off fake, you suck.
Bye.
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I knew that bbers were using this type of diet in the 60's and 70's, but I followed this diet to a T when it was first published for 3 months, but it really didn't do much for me... found it impossible to train legs intensely on the 4-5th no carb day.
This diet severely fucks with your insulin level on the carb days... felt lethargic and sleepy, not in the mood to train.
I made modifications that made the diet more effective:
1. 2 carb up days is too much. It took me 4 days to get back into ketosis. Try only 1/2 - 1 day of carbs (mine was Sunday) and I tried not to overdo it.
2. Keeping simple sugars to a minimum... did not feel as tired when I did this.
3. Ingest no more than 3000 cals during the no carb days.
4. Cardio once a day in the morning (30-60 minutes)... train at night.
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Fact is : Nazi concentration camp diet is the best 1 :D
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Fact is : Nazi concentration camp diet is the best 1 :D
I always bring this up when fatsos make excuses like my metabolism is slow etc.
No such thing as fat concentration camp prisoner.
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I always bring this up when fatsos make excuses like my metabolism is slow etc.
No such thing as fat concentration camp prisoner.
No such thing as a well muscled, in shape, concentration camp prisoner either.
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No such thing as a well muscled, in shape, concentration camp prisoner either.
True but skin and bones is still better than fat. Plus concentration campers didn't lift. ;)
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I knew that bbers were using this type of diet in the 60's and 70's, but I followed this diet to a T when it was first published for 3 months, but it really didn't do much for me... found it impossible to train legs intensely on the 4-5th no carb day.
This diet severely fucks with your insulin level on the carb days... felt lethargic and sleepy, not in the mood to train.
I made modifications that made the diet more effective:
1. 2 carb up days is too much. It took me 4 days to get back into ketosis. Try only 1/2 - 1 day of carbs (mine was Sunday) and I tried not to overdo it.
2. Keeping simple sugars to a minimum... did not feel as tired when I did this.
3. Ingest no more than 3000 cals during the no carb days.
4. Cardio once a day in the morning (30-60 minutes)... train at night.
Thanks bro. Yah i was only doing one refeed day. Im definjtely gonna drop the cals quite a bit around the 2100-2200 level for a few weeks and see what happens
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3200? gal would like a word with you :-X
I cut on 1800 a day for months to get under 220 and "lean"
Good to see you're revising that theory
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3200? gal would like a word with you :-X
I cut on 1800 a day for months to get under 220 and "lean"
Good to see you're revising that theory
Right but how long do u stay at 1800? Ive tried that long term and u seriously crash out and your body starts to store again
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Good read:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/222712399/Jamie-Lewis-Issuance-of-Insanity-III-Nutritional-Psycho-1#scribd
http://www.chaosandpain.com/issuance-of-insanity-3-0-nutritional-psycho/
Will get you motivated to get lean!
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I always bring this up when fatsos make excuses like my metabolism is slow etc.
No such thing as fat concentration camp prisoner.
Some of those Nazi JEW guards were little bit chubby & in 1945 almost everyone of them escaped to South Africa & Rhodesia together with other Nazis ;D
Not a single 1 went to Palestine , South African apartheid regime welcome them ;D
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No such thing as a well muscled, in shape, concentration camp prisoner either.
Boiled potatoes & cabbage was very effective Nazi diet ;)
& the best of all nobody was complaining ;D
+ there was no need for protein powders.
:)
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True but skin and bones is still better than fat. Plus concentration campers didn't lift. ;)
True, + free meals & free accommodation up to 3 months.
;)
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Update with bloodwork guys...need assesment here.
253 total
191 LDL (was flagged for possible FH)
46 HDL
80 Triglyceride
206 Non HDL cholesterol
Total test 2100 (pinning 500mg a week, 100mg eD or EOd)
That LdL is pretty bad guys
But the kicker is my H CRP was .6 which is very low (cardiac reactive protein)
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Update with bloodwork guys...need assesment here.
253 total
191 LDL (was flagged for possible FH)
46 HDL
80 Triglyceride
206 Non HDL cholesterol
Total test 2100 (pinning 500mg a week, 100mg eD or EOd)
That LdL is pretty bad guys
But the kicker is my H CRP was .6 which is very low (cardiac reactive protein)
Maybe there is something of value for you here:
http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/the-straight-dope-on-cholesterol-part-i
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Maybe there is something of value for you here:
http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/the-straight-dope-on-cholesterol-part-i
Thanks yeah but that LdL worrying mE
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That's not for body fat loss, as I explained above. Doing it with the refeed is to get bigger and stronger without gaining too much useless body fat. If you want to lose the useless body fat that you already have, then you have to cut out the refeed cheat day, or it won't work for body fat loss. It's that simple. I told you that it wouldn't work, the first time you posted that you were going to try AD, unless you didn't cheat at all. 38 days later you didn't lose the body fat. Had you not cheated, then you should have lost a least 15# of body fat by now. So who did you cheat? You cheated yourself.
So do whatever. Go back to counting calories. That won't work either, though it will burn hard earned muscle tissue, and still leave you pudgy looking. GL.
There is a diet called carbnite by DH Kiefer that has been used with great success. By me. And by many others I know personally.
6 day on 1 day off keto diet. the 1 day is a huge carb up, upwards of 500 grams easily. Same as Body Opus by Duchaine.
Zzzz Old stuff, and yes they work. The refeed day kickstarts "leptin" "ghrelin" and other metabolic hormones into high gear, preventing them from completely shutting down. As they would if you did a fat loss keto diet indefinitely, steadily lowering calories. Eventually you would not be hungry while eating 1,000 cals a day, and also maintain your weight. The huge refeeds prevent this.
This Erik C speaks in an obnoxious manner as if he's some expert, and that there is only 1 concrete way to do things lol. I have looked like this on cyclical keto as well as Adonis Principles at 205lbs. There are many ways to skin a cat.
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2zodcev.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/i3w3lw.jpg)
The second pic was directly after finishing my nightly carb binge on Day 7, the 900 carb refeed day. Mind you I'm not saying I was or am impressive, but I was 205, 210 morning after refeed take from that what you will.
You're doing it right, but you WILL have to drop significant calories to see rapid loss, beware when you come off the diet. Slowly add in carbs over WEEKS. 100...150...200..250 50 a week or you will ballon rebound. Called reverse dieting worked very well for me, got to desired leanness and then maintained that while slowly going from 1,500 cals to 3,000 cals over 6 weeks, 2 lb gain.
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TEMPER, TEMPER, had you read the OP's thread you would know that he did what you recommend, and got zero fat loss results. Doing the same thing over, and over, and expecting different results, is Albert Enstein's definition of insanity. And, you claiming expertise, then posting pictures that appear to disprove that notion of yours, is really stupid.
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Erik, feel like commenting on my bloodwork I posted ?
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Erik, feel like commenting on my bloodwork I posted ?
As Vince Gironda was fond of saying, it isn't the fat that you eat, nor cholesterol, that causes heart disease, it's the carbs, sugars and starches, that you eat, that clog your veins and arteries.
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HIIT is anaerobic. At levels beyond 70% of max heart rate, the pathway is not sufficient to burn bodyfat during the intense exercise. The body will burn mostly glucose. If there is none available the body will make it itself via gluconeogenesis, and that's where it takes it from protein in muscle tissue. There is an HIIT aferburn effect, but if you're on low carb, your best bet to minimize muscle loss is to do steady stream cardio, at levels below 70% max heart rate. I've seen far too many people over the years make the mistake of doing HIIT such as Insanity on ultra low carb diets, and then end up looking like smaller, flabbier versions of their former heavier selves, because they sacrificed too much muscle tissue in their quest to lose 'weight'.
You know your sh*t, brother!
Ever consider posting on the Training and Nutrition boards?
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As Vince Gironda was fond of saying, it isn't the fat that you eat, nor cholesterol, that causes heart disease, it's the carbs, sugars and starches, that you eat, that clog your veins and arteries.
So doctor Erik, an LDL of 190 is fine?
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Right but how long do u stay at 1800? Ive tried that long term and u seriously crash out and your body starts to store again
I've found that long term, the range is ~2200. 1800 and lower can be done for bodybuilding shows or another clear goal, but you have to be very obsessive to stay that low year 'round.
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I've found that long term, the range is ~2200. 1800 and lower can be done for bodybuilding shows or another clear goal, but you have to be very obsessive to stay that low year 'round.
ThTs kind of what i was also thinking. I guess the problem is at even 2200, that soon becomes your baseline since your body adapts, so then any foods over 2200 start becoming stored?
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ThTs kind of what i was also thinking. I guess the problem is at even 2200, that soon becomes your baseline since your body adapts, so then any foods over 2200 start becoming stored?
Yeah, that's about it. I've found the low to mid 2k area is the happy medium where I can enjoy life without my pants size increasing. Would I be leaner eating 1800? Yes. Would I be happier? No.
What we're talking about is the difference between being in good shape and having very low bodyfat.
The average American eats 3700 cals a day. That's why there's so much Diabetes. At that level people are taking in 350-400 grams of carbs a day, without even exercising. That's a sure ticket to clogged arteries.
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HIIT is anaerobic. At levels beyond 70% of max heart rate, the pathway is not sufficient to burn bodyfat during the intense exercise. The body will burn mostly glucose. If there is none available the body will make it itself via gluconeogenesis, and that's where it takes it from protein in muscle tissue. There is an HIIT aferburn effect, but if you're on low carb, your best bet to minimize muscle loss is to do steady stream cardio, at levels below 70% max heart rate. I've seen far too many people over the years make the mistake of doing HIIT such as Insanity on ultra low carb diets, and then end up looking like smaller, flabbier versions of their former heavier selves, because they sacrificed too much muscle tissue in their quest to lose 'weight'.
THIS... :) agree 100% but the HIIT fans won´t listen
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So doctor Erik, an LDL of 190 is fine?
High cholesterol is because of inflammation caused by eating carbs, sugar and starches. Your refeed day (cheat day) is going to exaggerate the inflammation that your body responds too, by creating more cholesterol rapidly. Easy to jack up serum cholesterol levels, when you pig out big time on carbs, on your cheat day. PEDs can also cause inflammation, and therefore higher serum cholesterol levels, too.
It's been what, about two months, and 4 or 5 threads now, about the alleged anabolic, keto, low carb diet, that you were supposed to be doing, and you haven't lost an ounce of fat? You should have lost at least 20# of body fat by now, at a minimum, if you were really doing anything close to an extremely low carb, keto type diet. So, in reality you didn't do the keto right, and it doesn't seem you want to do it for real, either. So just forget about it, and do, and eat, what ever you want, without aggravating yourself about pretending to be on a diet, that you're not really doing anyway.
Count calories, eat small, and get Huge, (not really) like the dopes were telling you to do.
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High cholesterol is because of inflammation caused by eating carbs, sugar and starches. Your refeed day (cheat day) is going to exaggerate the inflammation that your body responds too, by creating more cholesterol rapidly. Easy to jack up serum cholesterol levels, when you pig out big time on carbs, on your cheat day. PEDs can also cause inflammation, and therefore higher serum cholesterol levels, too.
It's been what, about two months, and 4 or 5 threads now, about the alleged anabolic, keto, low carb diet, that you were supposed to be doing, and you haven't lost an ounce of fat? You should have lost at least 20# of body fat by now, at a minimum, if you were really doing anything close to an extremely low carb, keto type diet. So, in reality you didn't do the keto right, and it doesn't seem you want to do it for real, either. So just forget about it, and do, and eat, what ever you want, without aggravating yourself about pretending to be on a diet, that you're not really doing anyway.
Count calories, eat small, and get Huge, (not really) like the dopes were telling you to do.
Lol diet is spot on beside one cheat meal a week. Lost about 5lbs so far. Actually didnt lose any weight till i came to my senses and cut calories. The recommended of 3200-3600 cals does nothing but drop a lil water.
Starting to look good and been following diet well. The LDL is concerning and i highly doubt is from one cheAt meal 3 days before a blood draw.
Why are u so angry btw?
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Why are u so angry btw?
Angry? Really? I don't know, maybe because I sense that I'm wasting my time here.
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Why does anyone need 3200 cals on a Keto diet?
Meal 1: 4 whole eggs & green salad + some red pepper & a few cherry tomatoes
Meal 2: 1/2 lb of chicken w/ meal 1 salad + 2 oz cheese
Meal 3: 1/2 lb chopped beef w/ meal 1 salad + 2 oz cheese
That's a high fat, low carb diet with adequate protein, and no where near 3200 cals.
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Why does anyone need 3200 cals on a Keto diet?
To workout hard, and build muscle tissue. To GetBig, you need to EatBig!
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To workout hard, and build muscle tissue. To GetBig, you need to EatBig!
No, to get real big, you have to take steroids. Without them, you'll gain at most five pounds of muscle. The rest will be fat.
No bodybuilder past the age of 30 has ever put on any additional muscle without upping the dosage.
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No, to get real big, you have to take steroids. Without them, you'll gain at most five pounds of muscle. The rest will be fat.
No bodybuilder past the age of 30 has ever put on any additional muscle without upping the dosage.
You need to study the subjects of Physical Culture, and Old Time Strongmen. They didn't have drugs available, yet they got big and strong.
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Angry? Really? I don't know, maybe because I sense that I'm wasting my time here.
Nah i actually appreciate your insight into all of this, hence why I ask questions.
Interesting enough I have two bloodwork reports both while on 500mg of test.
The first was a balanced paleo esq diet, had sweet potatoes, oats, meats, etc. no dairy no butter.
Cholesterol was 170 total, with 60 hdl, 100 ldl. Also keep in mind I had one cheat day per week here as well.
On the AD, i cut the sweet potato, and oats. And upped fats with butter, steaks, coconut oil on occasion, and my lipids were total shit as I just showed you. One cheat a week. AAS, and weight work outs were the same.
Either way, interesting to say the least so i am not sold on the AD yet as far as long term lifestyle