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never gave this mentally ill man much of a chance. :-\ did he want to attack the cops ?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f4_1426548792
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never gave this mentally ill man much of a chance. :-\ did he want to attack the cops ?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f4_1426548792
Not sure what you mean? He had every opportunity to drop it. He had a choice not to lunge at the officer with it... seems he had an excellent chance. Do you want the officer to wait until he is stabbed before reacting? This kind of public reaction is why Citizen Review Panels are a bad idea
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Not sure what you mean? He had every opportunity to drop it. He had a choice not to lunge at the officer with it... seems he had an excellent chance. Do you want the officer to wait until he is stabbed before reacting? This kind of public reaction is why Citizen Review Panels are a bad idea
I was waiting for your reply.. ;D Thing is did they know he was mentally ill ? Maybe he did not understand the gravity of the situation. Granted a screwdriver is a weapon too but they just blasted him as soon as he moved. It makes me wonder because the German cops here are armed and definitely are not so gun ho like your cops. why not wound him ?
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I was waiting for your reply.. ;D Thing is did they know he was mentally ill ? Maybe he did not understand the gravity of the situation. Granted a screwdriver is a weapon too but they just blasted him as soon as he moved. It makes me wonder because the German cops here are armed and definitely are not so gun ho like your cops. why not wound him ?
These are the same questions asked over and over again in many deadly force situations. "Why not wound him?" this underscores a huge lack of understanding of exactly what is a deadly force situation, knowledge of what damage a human can do when wounded, and reaction time. It would be impossible for me to enlighten someone as to those things via postings. I can't help it if someone with a screw driver, knife, rock, gun, hammer doesn't grasp the gravity of the situation. If they make a move to potentially kill or seriously hurt me, it's irrelevant. We can discuss the what if's and how sad it is after the fact, but at that moment, the results of the attack are the same whether they have a 50 IQ or a 150 IQ.
Tragic? Certainly.. but let's not start blaming the cops when someone lunges at them with a deadly weapon.. I can think of a few people to blame before we get to that point.
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These are the same questions asked over and over again in many deadly force situations. "Why not wound him?" this underscores a huge lack of understanding of exactly what is a deadly force situation, knowledge of what damage a human can do when wounded, and reaction time. It would be impossible for me to enlighten someone as to those things via postings. I can't help it if someone with a screw driver, knife, rock, gun, hammer doesn't grasp the gravity of the situation. If they make a move to potentially kill or seriously hurt me, it's irrelevant. We can discuss the what if's and how sad it is after the fact, but at that moment, the results of the attack are the same whether they have a 50 IQ or a 150 IQ.
Tragic? Certainly.. but let's not start blaming the cops when someone lunges at them with a deadly weapon.. I can think of a few people to blame before we get to that point.
like who can you blame? I understand what you are saying but why do the cops here have much less fatal shootings in situations? ok you see it from a cops point of view and will always argue to that effect. Donīt take it so personal because you tend to.
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like who can you blame? I understand what you are saying but why do the cops here have much less fatal shootings in situations? ok you see it from a cops point of view and will always argue to that effect. Donīt take it so personal because you tend to.
Yeah, I'm a little touchy recently with all the cop haters coming out of the woodwork. Not saying you are, but the scrutiny is getting ridiculous. Even obviously clean shootings, as tragic as almost any deadly force situation is for both sides, are being immediatly questioned with the guilt leaning towards the cops. Getting a little old
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Yeah, I'm a little touchy recently with all the cop haters coming out of the woodwork. Not saying you are, but the scrutiny is getting ridiculous. Even obviously clean shootings, as tragic as almost any deadly force situation is for both sides, are being immediatly questioned with the guilt leaning towards the cops. Getting a little old
itīs cool and as i wrote to you in a pm i am not a cop hater.
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Good riddance. A worthless POS gone from the welfare rolls. Why do you care about shit people dying? It's a plus for humanity.
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Good riddance. A worthless POS gone from the welfare rolls. Why do you care about shit people dying? It's a plus for humanity.
stupid little troll ::)
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itīs cool and as i wrote to you in a pm i am not a cop hater.
Just saw it and responded.
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Just saw it and responded.
Gun ho Cop who panicked. even after it he reacted like he knew he fired too soon. bad Cop, Bad training
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Gun ho Cop who panicked. even after it he reacted like he knew he fired too soon. bad Cop, Bad training
Interesting. How did you conclude he knew he fired to soon? He says "We had to, he was in the doorway, he came at us, we had to"
Again, I have to disagree with your assessment based on the video. It appears to be a justified shooting. He didn't shoot until the guy started coming at him. how is that "too soon"? Are you trolling or are you serious?
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Interesting. How did you conclude he knew he fired to soon? He says "We had to, he was in the doorway, he came at us, we had to"
Again, I have to disagree with your assessment based on the video. It appears to be a justified shooting. He didn't shoot until the guy started coming at him. how is that "too soon"? Are you trolling or are you serious?
Listen i was a Professional . you clearly are not.
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Listen i was a Professional . you clearly are not.
quick question.. when did this become antagonistic and why? Just curious, as I believe two adults should be able to discuss opposing views ...adult like. Would you agree?
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Interesting. How did you conclude he knew he fired to soon? He says "We had to, he was in the doorway, he came at us, we had to"
Again, I have to disagree with your assessment based on the video. It appears to be a justified shooting. He didn't shoot until the guy started coming at him. how is that "too soon"? Are you trolling or are you serious?
Ok. How do police in other countries that they are not armed manage
To deal with these type of situations without killing people.
It clearly works in them countries without the huge number of police
Related deaths as in the usa.
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Ok. How do police in other countries that they are not armed manage
To deal with these type of situations without killing people.
It clearly works in them countries without the huge number of police
Related deaths as in the usa.
I don't know, you tell me how they deal with a man with a screw driver lunging at them.
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I don't know, you tell me how they deal with a man with a screw driver lunging at them.
Well clearly they don't kill him.
Are you cops so poorly trained that your gun is your only saviour.
I many others have worked very dangerous jobs unarmed dealing
With nutters / weirdo's etc & we don't end up Killing them.
Please, reading some of your other posts tonight I was starting to
Think you were thinking & seeing things a little more clearly
Without your Police issue Rose tinted glasses.
I believe you can do it, just have faith.. :)
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Ok. How do police in other countries that they are not armed manage
To deal with these type of situations without killing people.
It clearly works in them countries without the huge number of police
Related deaths as in the usa.
Totally correct and armed police in Germany/Holland do not react like this.
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Well clearly they don't kill him.
Are you cops so poorly trained that your gun is your only saviour.
I many others have worked very dangerous jobs unarmed dealing
With nutters / weirdo's etc & we don't end up Killing them.
Please, reading some of your other posts tonight I was starting to
Think you were thinking & seeing things a little more clearly
Without your Police issue Rose tinted glasses.
I believe you can do it, just have faith.. :)
I appreciate your faith. the reality is I can't answer such a general question. There are likely many facets to it. For example.. there are many many times people are sucessfully arrested here who were armed without using deadly force. There are also cases were officers were killed trying to deal with an armed person. I suspect some officers in those wonderful countries were also killed. Perhaps the culture is different and people aren't as prone to violent behavior. I'd really have to look at it case by case to attempt to conclude it is 1. true, and 2. due to better training.
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I appreciate your faith. the reality is I can't answer such a general question. There are likely many facets to it. For example.. there are many many times people are sucessfully arrested here who were armed without using deadly force. There are also cases were officers were killed trying to deal with an armed person. I suspect some officers in those wonderful countries were also killed. Perhaps the culture is different and people aren't as prone to violent behavior. I'd really have to look at it case by case to attempt to conclude it is 1. true, and 2. due to better training.
you, yourself admitted you took drugs, took drugs of people you bust. Listen i am not shooting morals at you my friend but in my opinion and from my experience in things which are above a cop like you. You are not in any position to shout about morals.
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I appreciate your faith. the reality is I can't answer such a general question. There are likely many facets to it. For example.. there are many many times people are sucessfully arrested here who were armed without using deadly force. There are also cases were officers were killed trying to deal with an armed person. I suspect some officers in those wonderful countries were also killed. Perhaps the culture is different and people aren't as prone to violent behavior. I'd really have to look at it case by case to attempt to conclude it is 1. true, and 2. due to better training.
How would you & other cops cope without your guns.
There is life in many other countries that police & public
Are not armed (well 99.9%).
Are you really saying it's so very difficult to believe
That we can & do work in dangerous volatile environments
Without Guns.
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How would you & other cops cope without your guns.
There is life in many other countries that police & public
Are not armed (well 99.9%).
Are you really saying it's so very difficult to believe
That we can & do work in dangerous volatile environments
Without Guns.
wow...
Ok. If tomorrow cops in the USA were banned from carrying guns, I would guess every cop in any city over 10,000 would quit by noon. there would be some in the smaller cities that would probably try and stay on, thinking they might be able to handle their small town without them but I doubt it. And then, when the first cop gets killed responding to a disturbance, the rest of the force would leave, those that didn't would carry concealed guns. We tend to live in reality, and the reality is, there are bad people here. Thugs care little about the average citizens life and only hesitate shooting cops because of the chance they will get shot in return. I can't speak for the other countries, never lived there, never policed there. But here, there are bad people who carry weapons. Doing this job without a gun would be suicide.
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Druggies like you should not have a Badge let alone a Gun.
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Druggies like you should not have a Badge let alone a Gun.
okay, one more time.. you have me confused with the ex prison guard.. I never took drugs, nor took them from people and smoked them. That is another dude on here.
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wow...
Ok. If tomorrow cops in the USA were banned from carrying guns, I would guess every cop in any city over 10,000 would quit by noon. there would be some in the smaller cities that would probably try and stay on, thinking they might be able to handle their small town without them but I doubt it. And then, when the first cop gets killed responding to a disturbance, the rest of the force would leave, those that didn't would carry concealed guns. We tend to live in reality, and the reality is, there are bad people here. Thugs care little about the average citizens life and only hesitate shooting cops because of the chance they will get shot in return. I can't speak for the other countries, never lived there, never policed there. But here, there are bad people who carry weapons. Doing this job without a gun would be suicide.
Clearly if only the cops were unarmed in America as it is
With guns being freely & legally available to all public & scum bags
It would be totally stupid & suicidal for cops.
Yet also the Reality is there are just as many violent & aggressive people in
Many other countries some with guns most with a weapon of some sort
& they have to be dealt with.
Yes sometimes they are shot dead, generally as a last resort.
Not A First Resort.
It appears the problem is cops & American society are stuck to
The bosom of the gun & cannot be weaned off.
You are playing dumb, clearly your are intelligent enough to know
Police & people in other dangerous jobs deal every day with situations
Almost identical to those that cops deal with in America without
Guns & shooting being the 1st option.
That is also Reality.
For many of us.
There is More than just your type of Reality.
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Clearly if only the cops were unarmed in America as it is
With guns being freely & legally available to all public & scum bags
It would be totally stupid & suicidal for cops.
Yet also the Reality is there are just as many violent & aggressive people in
Many other countries some with guns most with a weapon of some sort
& they have to be dealt with.
Yes sometimes they are shot dead, generally as a last resort.
Not A First Resort.
It appears the problem is cops & American society are stuck to
The bosom of the gun & cannot be weaned off.
You are playing dumb, clearly your are intelligent enough to know
Police & people in other dangerous jobs deal every day with situations
Almost identical to those that cops deal with in America without
Guns & shooting being the 1st option.
That is also Reality.
For many of us.
There is More than just your type of Reality.
This may not paint me in the best light for you but I'm not playing dumb. Statistically, it just doesn't support a "cops shoot everyone" statement. Cops come into contact with people with weapons, including guns on a regular basis. I can think back a few years ago to my patrol time and I probably never went a week without arresting an individual with a gun or weapon, often times they had it in their hands. I was the average cop. I didn't shoot anyone. My partners didn't shoot anyone. We might have had 10 police involved shootings in 5 years of making thousands of arrests... I hardly think that is a "first resort" mentality. I'm open to hearing your opposing view, maybe I'm way off base
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This may not paint me in the best light for you but I'm not playing dumb. Statistically, it just doesn't support a "cops shoot everyone" statement. Cops come into contact with people with weapons, including guns on a regular basis. I can think back a few years ago to my patrol time and I probably never went a week without arresting an individual with a gun or weapon, often times they had it in their hands. I was the average cop. I didn't shoot anyone. My partners didn't shoot anyone. We might have had 10 police involved shootings in 5 years of making thousands of arrests... I hardly think that is a "first resort" mentality. I'm open to hearing your opposing view, maybe I'm way off base
A lot of what you say above is very good & that is how it should be.
If your not playing dumb you are avoiding answering my points
On how the rest of the unarmed world manage to get by.
In similar situations without killing people or dogs that come out
Of people's houses.
Shooting that dog was a 1st resort mentality.
Did he not have CS gas, a baton, or maybe a taser.
It doesn't look like the dog is going to tear him to shreds
Or rip his throat out. ( granted the video is not the best & we don't see the last few seconds.)
What we do know is that cop went for his gun & shot the dog.
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A lot of what you say above is very good & that is how it should be.
If your not playing dumb you are avoiding answering my points
On how the rest of the unarmed world manage to get by.
In similar situations without killing people or dogs that come out
Of people's houses.
Shooting that dog was a 1st resort mentality.
Did he not have CS gas, a baton, or maybe a taser.
It doesn't look like the dog is going to tear him to shreds
Or rip his throat out. ( granted the video is not the best & we don't see the last few seconds.)
What we do know is that cop went for his gun & shot the dog.
I am not avoiding answering, it can't be answered, at least by me because I don't have all the information. I don't even know if the premise of the question is accurate.
I think i mentioned culture, mentality, crime rate, perhaps prison sentences as deterents. I'm guessing because the question is vague
Shooting the dog was a decision made in a very short time with a pit bull lunging at him. . I don't know what alternatives he had but in my opinion, with 10 years as a dog handler/trainer, if the dog was aggressive, in that close proximity, with the PSI bite those dogs have, he made a good choice. Dogs who are intent on attacking fight through OC spray. we have video demonstrations of dogs doing so. If you are wrong, and the dog fights through it.. you risk getting severely injured. A Taser has to have both prongs hit and then penetrate the skin to be effective, one prong that misses such a small area of target, and you might as well have a water gun... and then you risk being severely injured. I can't agree it doesnt seem the dog isnt going to tear him to shreds.. without audio I cant tell. I've seen that behavior before in both non aggressive dogs and aggressive dogs. And again... all I'm saying is how bout we wait till we know all the facts before arbitrarily labeling this cop a dog murderer...
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I am not avoiding answering, it can't be answered, at least by me because I don't have all the information. I don't even know if the premise of the question is accurate.
Ha. And I thought you were making Progress. Of course it is Accurate, and you know it.
It is life day to day in many countries.
I think i mentioned culture, mentality, crime rate, perhaps prison sentences as deterents. I'm guessing because the question is vague.
Again. The only Vague Person is You, Trotting out the same old tired None committal answers
So as not to admit There are a Huge Number Of Bad & Dangerous Cops.
Just like there are a huge number of bad & dangerous scum bags.
In America & in the rest of the world.
Only America is Unique. ::)
Shooting the dog was a decision made in a very short time with a pit bull lunging at him. . I don't know what alternatives he had but in my opinion, with 10 years as a dog handler/trainer, if the dog was aggressive, in that close proximity, with the PSI bite those dogs have, he made a good choice. Dogs who are intent on attacking fight through OC spray. we have video demonstrations of dogs doing so. If you are wrong, and the dog fights through it.. you risk getting severely injured. A Taser has to have both prongs hit and then penetrate the skin to be effective, one prong that misses such a small area of target, and you might as well have a water gun... and then you risk being severely injured. I can't agree it doesnt seem the dog isnt going to tear him to shreds.. without audio I cant tell. I've seen that behavior before in both non aggressive dogs and aggressive dogs. And again... all I'm saying is how bout we wait till we know all the facts before arbitrarily labeling this cop a dog murderer...
It Does Get So tiresome your Cop Arse Licking Protect the cops at any cost.
Grow some back bone & some eye sight.
There is life with out a Gun.
Just call a spade a spade. And a bad cop a bad cop.
I many constantly bring up and say there are many many scum bags,
And deserve what they Get.
You are to Scared or to Brain Washed To Speak out and say The Same About Bad Cops.
Yet Quick to Bash The Scum Bags & Dogs.
I have said it Before & it Applies Very Well To You.
See No Evil.
Hear No evil.
Speak No Evil.
About The Saint Police.
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look dude.. you can have your opinion of the shooting.. that's cool. I have mine. Because mine differs from yours, why am I automatically the bad guy? I could just as easily say you're so blinded by your hatred of authority and cops you wouldn't side with a cop if it involved bank robbers with body armor and automatic weapons shooting up the streets of L.A. I just figure you have a different opinion and perception. It's not unheard of that some people view all police as evil. But I don't feel the need to insult you about it. Is it something you feel you must do, to be insulting about it? I have given you my honest opinion based on my experience and the available information. Accept it or don't. We'll both continue living just fine...
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There are Good Cops and Bad Cops. the question is how are they trained? now you might get a guy in an Academy in Texas who is trained diffrent to say a guy in Hawaii .. now going on the statistics if there is more criminality in one part of the US does this have an effect on their mentality ?
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There are Good Cops and Bad Cops. the question is how are they trained? now you might get a guy in an Academy in Texas who is trained diffrent to say a guy in Hawaii .. now going on the statistics if there is more criminality in one part of the US does this have an effect on their mentality ?
There are a lot of good cops and a few bad cops. 1 bad cop is too many.
I don't know the answer to the mentality question.
As a citizen driving through the country, if I had any concern about police officers, it would be the extremes. Places with so many cops it is difficult to have span and control of the officers. Lack of the ability to provide supervision. The other extreme would be small town USA where cops are normally not trained beyond the bare minimum, low pay, mediocre equipment, questionable screening process for hiring.oh.. and anywhere in Louisiana
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look dude.. you can have your opinion of the shooting.. that's cool. I have mine. Because mine differs from yours, why am I automatically the bad guy? I could just as easily say you're so blinded by your hatred of authority and cops you wouldn't side with a cop if it involved bank robbers with body armor and automatic weapons shooting up the streets of L.A. I just figure you have a different opinion and perception. It's not unheard of that some people view all police as evil. But I don't feel the need to insult you about it. Is it something you feel you must do, to be insulting about it? I have given you my honest opinion based on my experience and the available information. Accept it or don't. We'll both continue living just fine...
If your talking to me.
I do not hate all cops.
I have had dealings with some decent good ones.
I do not trust the system & the corruption within.
That is constantly covered up & made excuses for.
As I stated Scumbags are scumbags whether they be cops or not.
It is your evasive Politically correct replies That are so irksome & tiresome.
You seem unable or unwilling to Straight Talk.
Call a spade a spade.
Clearly you do feel the need to insult me,
By saying I am blinded by my hatred of cops & authority.
That's your opinion.
And it's Very Very Wrong.
I could go into what I think your Hatreds are.....
Only that would be As Wrong as you Were.
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There are a lot of good cops and a few bad cops. 1 bad cop is too many.
I don't know the answer to the mentality question.
As a citizen driving through the country, if I had any concern about police officers, it would be the extremes. Places with so many cops it is difficult to have span and control of the officers. Lack of the ability to provide supervision. The other extreme would be small town USA where cops are normally not trained beyond the bare minimum, low pay, mediocre equipment, questionable screening process for hiring.oh.. and anywhere in Louisiana
I think the police in the US should be trained centrally in 1 or 2 schools which teach a set standard in Firearm training, rules of engagement
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Is it really necessary to continually yell at a dead man who is face down to drop the screwdriver.
LOL at policemen describing dead guy as unconscious.
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This video shows how to tackle a Dangerous criminal in a wheel chair ??? To be fair to the cop if you watch the whole video the man made a feeble attempt to push/hit the cop and then the cop beat him to the ground. The man in the wheelchair i think was drunk or on drugs. Still no need to do this sort of thing. Even later the nurse said the cop reacted aggressive towards her. I do understand that in certain situations cops do need to react with "controlled" force...hell i would to if i was a cop. however sometimes the reactions are just plain criminal...
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If your talking to me.
I do not hate all cops.
I have had dealings with some decent good ones.
I do not trust the system & the corruption within.
That is constantly covered up & made excuses for.
As I stated Scumbags are scumbags whether they be cops or not.
It is your evasive Politically correct replies That are so irksome & tiresome.
You seem unable or unwilling to Straight Talk.
Call a spade a spade.
Clearly you do feel the need to insult me,
By saying I am blinded by my hatred of cops & authority.
That's your opinion.
And it's Very Very Wrong.
I could go into what I think your Hatreds are.....
Only that would be As Wrong as you Were.
You missed my point.. again
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Is it really necessary to continually yell at a dead man who is face down to drop the screwdriver.
LOL at policemen describing dead guy as unconscious.
You sure he was dead then? But yeah.. seems little overkill to continually yell to drop something. while people have played possum in the past, I would probaby just go ahead and remove the screw driver from his grasp cautiously
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You missed my point.. again
Why do you not explain it in plain English.
And you yet again failed to grasp my points.
On most of the threads you post on you are always on the defense
Of cops, sometimes rightly so as they are just being picked for being cops.
Sometimes they are deservedly picked on for being scumbag cops.
That's where you miss the point all the time, not just from me
But everyone.
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You sure he was dead then? But yeah.. seems little overkill to continually yell to drop something. while people have played possum in the past, I would probaby just go ahead and remove the screw driver from his grasp cautiously
Yeah, I am sure he was dead. You police defenders are pathetic, always claiming the Police are the most fearful people in the world, unable to tolerate any fear or danger and any hint of such feelings requires deadly force they later justify, and now you are telling me they can't even tell when someone is dead or no longer a threat. Modern Police most be the most fearful, petrified and unintelligent human beings in our community.
Here is a thought, show SOME FUCKING COURAGE AND STOP BEING AFRAID OF EVERY LITTLE THING. Yes you may die in the line of duty, but this is a risk many men face every day doing non police work, from deep-sea fisherman to miners. The average person faces life threatening dangers everyday without lethal weapons or the power of the state supporting them, WHY CAN'T POLICE?
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Yeah, I am sure he was dead. You police defenders are pathetic, always claiming the Police are the most fearful people in the world, unable to tolerate any fear or danger and any hint of such feelings requires deadly force they later justify, and now you are telling me they can't even tell when someone is dead or no longer a threat. Modern Police most be the most fearful, petrified and unintelligent human beings in our community.
Here is a thought, show SOME FUCKING COURAGE AND STOP BEING AFRAID OF EVERY LITTLE THING. Yes you may die in the line of duty, but this is a risk many men face every day doing non police work, from deep-sea fisherman to miners. The average person faces life threatening dangers everyday without lethal weapons or the power of the state supporting them, WHY CAN'T POLICE?
Sorry sir, only you won't get a rational honest response from him
He is to far gone.
We are all Police Haters.
The Saintly Police are all knowledgeable & all Good.
We are all so hopelessly wrong.
Only the Saintly Police have a very Dangerous job.
We cannot possibly understand.
Ode to the Saintly Police
See No Evil
Hear No Evil
Speak No Evil
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The police don't kill enough mentally illm garbage people. Every time they kill one, it makes the world a better place for real human beings.
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The police don't kill enough mentally illm garbage people. Every time they kill one, it makes the world a better place for real human beings.
I feel the same every time a cop is killed, one less arsehole poisoning his community.
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The cops don't shoot enough mentally ill dirtballs.
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GEEEEEZ...what sort of person does this? and one guy is seen laughing as he walks past the camera ???
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I feel the same every time a cop is killed, one less arsehole poisoning his community.
figured as much...
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figured as much...
at least you are keeping cool.. i donīt think you were a bad cop. you argue your point and maybe a bit stubborn but are level headed. well thatīs what i read into your posts.
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at least you are keeping cool.. i donīt think you were a bad cop. you argue your point and maybe a bit stubborn but are level headed. well thatīs what i read into your posts.
Thanks Donnie. I think the stubborness you refer to is that I believe what I am saying is true. That doesn't always make me right, as I have thought things to be true in the past and have been proven wrong. I then change my opinion when that happens.
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Thanks Donnie. I think the stubborness you refer to is that I believe what I am saying is true. That doesn't always make me right, as I have thought things to be true in the past and have been proven wrong. I then change my opinion when that happens.
Yes & we believe what we are saying is true also.
That also doesn't always make us Right.
The Difference is most of us say that a scum bag is a scum bag
Wether that scum bag is a cop or not.
You cannot, will not say anything against cops.
There are No Scum Bag Cops.
Yet we are Constantly Reading about & Seeing
Video's of Atrocious Cop Behaviour.
Oh let me Guess You Cannot Make A Judgement as you haven't
Seen / Heard all the Evidence.
Then how The Fcuk Do you manage to do you job, when you only see part
Of what you think is a crime or see cctv footage of some thing happening.
Is that Different then Because it's Not A Cop you Have To Make A Decision On.
And it APPEARS like so many other cops
That you are unable or unwilling to deal with People
Unless You Have your Gun.
And Believe America is Unique when it comes to Scumbags
& Policing.
Clearly your Avoiding answering some People on this Thread.
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Yes & we believe what we are saying is true also.
That also doesn't always make us Right.
The Difference is most of us say that a scum bag is a scum bag
Wether that scum bag is a cop or not.
You cannot, will not say anything against cops.
There are No Scum Bag Cops.
Yet we are Constantly Reading about & Seeing
Video's of Atrocious Cop Behaviour.
Oh let me Guess You Cannot Make A Judgement as you haven't
Seen / Heard all the Evidence.
Then how The Fcuk Do you manage to do you job, when you only see part
Of what you think is a crime or see cctv footage of some thing happening.
Is that Different then Because it's Not A Cop you Have To Make A Decision On.
And it APPEARS like so many other cops
That you are unable or unwilling to deal with People
Unless You Have your Gun.
And Believe America is Unique when it comes to Scumbags
& Policing.
Clearly your Avoiding answering some People on this Thread.
I remember winning a bet from another poster who said I never called a cop out on this forum. I always backed the cop. He challenged me to produce an example of this. Loser had to stay off Getbig for a month. I produced about 10 instances in less than 10 minutes searching and posted them... my point is, I call a duck a duck. If a cop screws up or is a criminal I have no problem saying so. Where you may get the impression I don't is, often times some (not saying you ;-) ) will jump to a conclusion about an incident and determine the cop screwed up. I may disagree because I may have experience with that similar situation and realize there are other things at play you may not be aware of. The shooting of the pit bull video is a great and recent example.
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who am I avoiding answering?
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Yeah, I am sure he was dead. You police defenders are pathetic, always claiming the Police are the most fearful people in the world, unable to tolerate any fear or danger and any hint of such feelings requires deadly force they later justify, and now you are telling me they can't even tell when someone is dead or no longer a threat. Modern Police most be the most fearful, petrified and unintelligent human beings in our community.
Here is a thought, show SOME FUCKING COURAGE AND STOP BEING AFRAID OF EVERY LITTLE THING. Yes you may die in the line of duty, but this is a risk many men face every day doing non police work, from deep-sea fisherman to miners. The average person faces life threatening dangers everyday without lethal weapons or the power of the state supporting them, WHY CAN'T POLICE?
What do you say to this post, 007?
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who am I avoiding answering?
In future when I respond to one of your posts
I will Endeavour to Number My responses to each of your points.
Then Hopefully you will Do the Same for My Posts.
That way I may Actually get some Straight answers.
Instead of The Politician Type White Wash Answer.
Let me be the 1st to say That's Great to Hear that in the past
You Have managed to call a Bad Cop A Bad Cop.
Bravo Sir.
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I remember winning a bet from another poster who said I never called a cop out on this forum. I always backed the cop. He challenged me to produce an example of this. Loser had to stay off Getbig for a month. I produced about 10 instances in less than 10 minutes searching and posted them... my point is, I call a duck a duck. If a cop screws up or is a criminal I have no problem saying so. Where you may get the impression I don't is, often times some (not saying you ;-) ) will jump to a conclusion about an incident and determine the cop screwed up. I may disagree because I may have experience with that similar situation and realize there are other things at play you may not be aware of. The shooting of the pit bull video is a great and recent example.
If you are talking about Cleburne police officer Kevin Dupre gunning down a pit bull named Maximus, this was more than justified, as the dog had already menaced the community and was on the loose and there were children playing nearby. The one time a cop actually does the right thing, you think it is wrong. You are one sick twisted bastard and I hope you genuinely aren't a police officer, you pose a greater danger to your community than any criminal does.
Unlike most mentally ill patients with a screwdriver, pitbulls pose a very real threat to innocent people in the community. You care more about a dangerous breed of dog being shot than you do humans, a breed of dog that maims and mauls innocent people (mainly children) everyday and kills someone every two weeks yet every time a human being is shot you justify it. What a sick twisted psyche you have, where you care more about a breed of dog that shouldn't even be allowed in our communities than you do the citizenry of that community. This example just goes to show you don't actually have any idea how to assess a genuine dangerous situation from a non dangerous situation, the mentally ill man with the screwdriver, while from appearances seems dangerous is only a moderate risk, two loose pitbulls who have already menaced and acted threateningly towards children and are loose, while it seems innocent enough, pose a very real and high danger. In terms of danger, things aren't always what they appear. I have faced mentally ill people with real weapons and had to de-esculate the situation and I have also faced two friendly pitbulls, guess which situation led to serious injury and extreme violence?
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If you are talking about Cleburne police officer Kevin Dupre gunning down a pit bull named Maximus, this was more than justified, as the dog had already menaced the community and was on the loose and there were children playing nearby. The one time a cop actually does the right thing, you think it is wrong. You are one sick twisted bastard and I hope you genuinely aren't a police officer, you pose a greater danger to your community than any criminal does.
Unlike most mentally ill patients with a screwdriver, pitbulls pose a very real threat to innocent people in the community. You care more about a dangerous breed of dog being shot than you do humans, a breed of dog that maims and mauls innocent people (mainly children) everyday and kills someone every two weeks yet every time a human being is shot you justify it. What a sick twisted psyche you have, where you care more about a breed of dog that shouldn't even be allowed in our communities than you do the citizenry of that community. This example just goes to show you don't actually have any idea how to assess a genuine dangerous situation from a non dangerous situation, the mentally ill man with the screwdriver, while from appearances seems dangerous is only a moderate risk, two loose pitbulls who have already menaced and acted threateningly towards children and are loose, while it seems innocent enough, pose a very real and high danger. In terms of danger, things aren't always what they appear. I have faced mentally ill people with real weapons and had to de-esculate the situation and I have also faced two friendly pitbulls, guess which situation led to serious injury and extreme violence?
I got to the part where it says "the one time a cop does something right ...you think its wrong" and stopped reading since you are clearly misinformed and the rest of your tirade is pointless as you have no clue what we were talking about or apparently my position on it.
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What do you say to this post, 007?
It's a silly post Jack. While officer do put themselves in dangrous situations due to the nature of the job, it is stupid to expect them to disregard caution at all times. I am NOT fearless nor does the public expect me to be fearless. I overcome that fear in order to carry out the job at hand on ocassion. There is also no expectation from the reasonable public that I disregard my safety with an armed subject and allow myself to be seriously injured. Probably why I didn't respond to this post was I thought it was ridiculous and unreasonable. As I mentioned before, I probably would have removed the screwdriver carefully myself after the 1st and 2nd order went unheeded.
Oh, and he wasn't dead, you can see his head moving..
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Ok. How do police in other countries that they are not armed manage
To deal with these type of situations without killing people.
It clearly works in them countries without the huge number of police
Related deaths as in the usa.
They deal with it very poorly
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They deal with it very poorly
Poorly.? How do You Mean.
At least they are not murdering them for little or no reason.
By all means arrest them take them to court & let judge & jury decide
To lock them up.
When cops are killing, they act as judge jury & executioner.
That cannot be good.
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They deal with it very poorly
Got a couple of good friends in the Glasgow Police, one i shared a room with for a couple of years. Believe me one is a very hard guy, i know i was in a boxing team with him. they are not guys who would beat people up for no reason.
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Got a couple of good friends in the Glasgow Police, one i shared a room with for a couple of years. Believe me one is a very hard guy, i know i was in a boxing team with him. they are not guys who would beat people up for no reason.
Poorly in the sense that they allowed some fuck to (luckily only) severely injure one of their own.
Had the punch landed somewhere else the guy could've lost an eye. Having unarmed police is ridiculous, and creates hazardous situations where time is wasted waiting on an armed response unit. Like the video in which a man is seen wielding a machete and it takes considerable time and organization to take the guy down with use of ample riotshields. Effective in the end? Sure, but very risky, time consuming, and dangerous leading up to the conclusion.
Having no viable way to incapacitate someone from a distance is a major, MAJOR shortcoming.
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Poorly in the sense that they allowed some fuck to (luckily only) severely injure one of their own.
Had the punch landed somewhere else the guy could've lost an eye. Having unarmed police is ridiculous, and creates hazardous situations where time is wasted waiting on an armed response unit. Like the video in which a man is seen wielding a machete and it takes considerable time and organization to take the guy down with use of ample riotshields. Effective in the end? Sure, but very risky, time consuming, and dangerous leading up to the conclusion.
Having no viable way to incapacitate someone from a distance is a major, MAJOR shortcoming.
Yes to all of the above.
Other than the arming of police.. Very bad step.
Poorly is still better than killing people.
They do have tasers, CS gas, extendable batons
And a lot of back up.
It is effective enough to deal with the vast majority
Of incidents.
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Yes to all of the above.
Other than the arming of police.. Very bad step.
Poorly is still better than killing people.
They do have tasers, CS gas, extendable batons
And a lot of back up.
It is effective enough to deal with the vast majority
Of incidents.
you know what i spent tours in N Ireland where i got petrol bombed ..shot at at. I can tell you 100% the British Army/police work differently. the fatal shootings in N Ireland were much,much less than a county of the US. speaks volumes. I refer to N Ireland as it was for us a Policing situation with civilians. We had very strict rules.
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you know what i spent tours in N Ireland where i got petrol bombed ..shot at at. I can tell you 100% the British Army/police work differently. the fatal shootings in N Ireland were much,much less than a county of the US. speaks volumes. I refer to N Ireland as it was for us a Policing situation with civilians. We had very strict rules.
Correct.
Very difficult times over there.
Mind on a different subject.
I had a good laugh about the Safe Deposit Box
Raid in London.
And the Met Failed to go check all was ok
When the security firm alerted them to alarm
Going off. Oops. Ha.