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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: Scimowser on February 25, 2006, 05:58:48 AM
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i was looking at his record and the thing i noticed was the lack of quality MMA opposition he fought against. He mainly had dojo fighters looking to earn some money, although he did beat Ken Shamrock. That said, he was soundly beaten by him IMO in the rematch, but there were no judges so it was announced a draw (reminds me of the second Marco Ruas Vs Oleg Taktarov fight)
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I watched the old ultimate fights when gracie was in them... I think the first time he beat Shamrock he couldn't come back out for the next fight (so really he forfeited). I think he was totally beatable... but then again I hear Benny Urquidez lost to him fair and square... and Benny "the Jet" is probably still tougher than me
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Overrated no he was great back in the day but the sport has evolved and he is no longer the top dog but overrated no imo
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I watched the old ultimate fights when gracie was in them... I think the first time he beat Shamrock he couldn't come back out for the next fight (so really he forfeited). I think he was totally beatable... but then again I hear Benny Urquidez lost to him fair and square... and Benny "the Jet" is probably still tougher than me
he beat Ken in the inaugural UFC and went onto win it. He got injured against Kimo in UFC 3 and couldnt carry on, which prompted Ken to fake injury as he only wanted to fight Royce. Ive never heard about him fighting Benny though, he was undefeated world kickboxing champion but not too skilled on the ground. Where and when was this?
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ive never been a big fan of gracies, but back in the day they brought something new to the table, but it didnt last that long
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yeah, i think that the gracie mystique died when the crap ones kept getting beat down
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I don't think Benny ever fought Royce. I do know in Denver or somewhereBenny was fighting or showed up to watch a fight and the Gracies were there with some others trying to get Benny to fight in the parking lot or something like that. Benny was to old. I know them both and I remember when this happened just not the exact details. But it was something like that.
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which prompted Ken to fake injury as he only wanted to fight Royce.
is that fact?
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is that fact?
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Ken admits to it in his autobiography. Said his dad was pissed at him. As far as Gracie being overrated, we'll find out in a few months if he's evolved as a fighter or not. If he's going no gi against Matt Hughes, he'd better be more than A BJJ player...
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Ken admits to it in his autobiography. Said his dad was pissed at him. As far as Gracie being overrated, we'll find out in a few months if he's evolved as a fighter or not. If he's going no gi against Matt Hughes, he'd better be more than A BJJ player...
True to that but I think Joyce has a 40% chance of beating him
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royces family member,rorion gracie,who invented the ufc was a marketing genius,he created the ufc to show the gjj/bjj was better in one on one self defense situations.ofcourse he would never stay on top for the simple fact that everyone started learning jj and it made it very hard to catch his opponants in submissions,theres no denying that to win in mma today you still have to know the ground game cause even the best sprawler in the game chuck lidell gets takendown once in awhile
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royces family member,rorion gracie,who invented the ufc was a marketing genius,he created the ufc to show the gjj/bjj was better in one on one self defense situations.
The really funny thing...do you know why Royce was picked to compete? Because he's the least imposing looking one of the Gracies (unless they pulled Helio ;D). Figured that really get the message through to people about how superior BJJ was...
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Yes that was exactly why they chose Royce. I used to train with them all at Rorian's house. Royce as you can see from the pic is just a skinny loooking kid. Didn't even shave then I think. Rickson was just to imposing of a figure. There whole mindset was to show that size didn't matter. The GJJ could beat anyone of any size that knew anything about fighting. They spent allot of time doing exhibitions andtaking on all comers. Like I said before I got them there first major exposure in the US when Pat Jordan (the guy who wrote the article on something I did in TimeMagazine) I called to tell him about some guys I know who can kick anyones ass. I remember the call. I kept telling him these guys are unreal. They have never lost a fight. They aren't big but they beat guys bigger than them. He flew in and the article ended up as a feature in Playboy magazine (something like 10 pages).
Has anyone seen the tape when Rorian, Rickson and Royce went to Compton to challenge all comers. There was a local black Karate instructor came. He brought his whole dojo. And he was a big mouth. He got submitted in about a minute. He gets up wants to do it again. Again he gets submitted. He does again and the same thing. It was funny.
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Has anyone seen the tape when Rorian, Rickson and Royce went to Compton to challenge all comers. There was a local black Karate instructor came. He brought his whole dojo. And he was a big mouth. He got submitted in about a minute. He gets up wants to do it again. Again he gets submitted. He does again and the same thing. It was funny.
haven't seen it, but that's funny as hell; whether you like BJJ or not, you can't deny that the Gracies changed martial arts forever.
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patrick smith said it best in his interveiw after one of his fights he won back in ufc 3 i believe,he said(if you cant fight on the ground,you cant fight)
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Oneofthe reasons (main one) why Chuck Norris invites the entire Gracie family to his annual convention is he went down to Brazil to meet Helio. He sparred with Helio and had Chuck tapping in less than a minute. Chuck honestly told me he could not move. When he tried to get out of the hold it hurt him more.
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I don't think he was over rated at all.In the first few ufc's nobody expected him...He shocked everyone. After that everyone started to learn the gaurd because they knew that most fights end up on the ground and if they got there with him they were done.
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The whole philosophy of the GJJ was THAT 95% of all fights end up on the ground. Unless you knock the guy out with the first punch you are going to start grabbing each other. That is where GJJ takes over. If there is anyone out there who actually takes GJJ from a Gracie, do they still have you come to class in different types of clothing. That was something Rorian did way back becuase you never knew when you going to fight. You could be going to church one day and wearing fancy shoes and a long sleeve collared shirt and get in a fight.
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The whole philosophy of the GJJ was THAT 95% of all fights end up on the ground. Unless you knock the guy out with the first punch you are going to start grabbing each other. That is where GJJ takes over. If there is anyone out there who actually takes GJJ from a Gracie, do they still have you come to class in different types of clothing. That was something Rorian did way back becuase you never knew when you going to fight. You could be going to church one day and wearing fancy shoes and a long sleeve collared shirt and get in a fight.
What church do you go to
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True to that but I think Joyce has a 40% chance of beating him
I think there is a 100% chance of you going down on your sister every night in your trailer home.
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I think there is a 100% chance of you going down on your sister every night in your trailer home.
Gee maybe after you finally pass your GED test you will say something clever,but we wont hold our breath
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What church do you go to
Well you never know when you may be groped by a priest
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he dominated in a time when nobody else had any fucking clue what he was doing to them .... basically, he was taking candy from babies .... its akin to mike tyson beating on bodybuilders in a boxing match
that being said, royce is the reason im training bjj right now and as he said he built the house that is MMA ....... so in effect, no, he is not overrated
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he had a style that no 1 knew how to react to. however once people realised that all you have to do is keep moving and work some guard, bjj lost it all. ive noticed a trend in todays mma, and that is that people are starting to use bjj less and less, bjj guys are also become more well rounded and standing up alot more often. when guys are going to the ground, other guys have good defense or just throw bombs or kiks until the other fighter gets up, in my opinion, gracie was not overrated, but bjj is overrated. def a need to know in mma, but i would not want it to be the backbone of my training.
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he had a style that no 1 knew how to react to. however once people realised that all you have to do is keep moving and work some guard, bjj lost it all. ive noticed a trend in todays mma, and that is that people are starting to use bjj less and less, bjj guys are also become more well rounded and standing up alot more often. when guys are going to the ground, other guys have good defense or just throw bombs or kiks until the other fighter gets up, in my opinion, gracie was not overrated, but bjj is overrated. def a need to know in mma, but i would not want it to be the backbone of my training.
A lot more guys are becoming "sprawlers & brawlers" now. If I recall right, at UFC 58, only one match was decided on the ground (Edwards). The rest was pretty much stand up w/ a few takedowns...
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heres a fubby story,you guys remember oleg taktarov?he was a sambo dude with a solid chin,anyway,he was trying to get in ufc 2 and rorion said no for the reason of he knew oleg was a leg lock expert who could do damage to royce,everyone knows that bjj had a weakness and that was leg locks,these days all bjj schools teach leg locks but back then they frowned on them and didnt like them.oleg finally got his shot in the ufc but gracie jiu jitsu was already on the map and royce was the man so at that point it didnt matter if oleg came into the octagon.if you really think about it no one back then had a ground game in ufc except shammy.i got some more good stories about the old ufc,s and some of the recent ones also
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heres a fubby story,you guys remember oleg taktarov?he was a sambo dude with a solid chin,anyway,he was trying to get in ufc 2 and rorion said no for the reason of he knew oleg was a leg lock expert who could do damage to royce,everyone knows that bjj had a weakness and that was leg locks,these days all bjj schools teach leg locks but back then they frowned on them and didnt like them.oleg finally got his shot in the ufc but gracie jiu jitsu was already on the map and royce was the man so at that point it didnt matter if oleg came into the octagon.if you really think about it no one back then had a ground game in ufc except shammy.i got some more good stories about the old ufc,s and some of the recent ones also
that is fubby :P
when someone even toughes my legs when i roll the first thing i do is turn and kick out of it ... then i crank their neck so hard they cant turn their head for a week ... my traiing partner got his knee broken from a leglock so i dont take any chances
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i got some more good stories about the old ufc,s and some of the recent ones also
Start a thread or just keep this one going...I want to hear.
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heres a fubby one ;) remember when chuck ko,d randleman afew years back?right after the ko kev jumps back up and starts going after big john cause he was in denial about the ko,coleman runs in the cage to grab kev and hold him and calm him down,while this is going on tito is next to chuck laughing out loud cause kev got ko,d and the next thing you know is kevin jackson,(olympic gold medalist in wrestling)im sure yous all remember him,starts to go towards tito in a aggressive way and before you know it jacksons being restrained by security.it was nuts.i was sitting about 10 rows back watching it,i ran into don frye walking through the casino doing alittle gambling and bullshitted with him for about 5 minutes or so,hes a really cool cat,he was big as hell also.saw coleman alot of times at the shows but hes always so drunk i dont even approach him,lol
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I just watched that fight on Spike on Monday. Chuck looked a whole lot leaner back then. Wonder why his gut has gotten bigger.? Things that make you say WTF
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The biggest thing I remember about Kevin Jackson is that he was on a good streak in the early days ; then he got HANDLED by mark Kerr in B'ham, AL in about 10-15 secs.
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I just watched that fight on Spike on Monday. Chuck looked a whole lot leaner back then. Wonder why his gut has gotten bigger.? Things that make you say WTF
I saw that same show. Some great KO footage. Who was the bald guy with the giant traps that ko'd some poor bastard in the 1st round? He was HUGE and looked totally juiced. Did he ever fight again?
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I saw that same show. Some great KO footage. Who was the bald guy with the giant traps that ko'd some poor bastard in the 1st round? He was HUGE and looked totally juiced. Did he ever fight again?
I think you mean Ron Waterman and yes he still fights all over. He fought in Pride in 03 aganist Crocop and was destroyed in the 1st round
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i think you mean brad kohler,he was a member of colemans hammer house for awhile,he did have a dbol type of look to him though,lol
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i think you mean brad kohler,he was a member of colemans hammer house for awhile,he did have a dbol type of look to him though,lol
wow, his record is really shit. Until 1999 he had a respectable W/L record but he lost his last 8 fights
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i think you mean brad kohler,he was a member of colemans hammer house for awhile,he did have a dbol type of look to him though,lol
My bad man all those big dudes look alike and have the same fighting style, that being said I would'nt want to fight none of them too damn big.
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that fight is on the ufc tape(their can only be one)i think thats the title,it was when tito fought frank and tito was looking sharp until he gassed,its a pretty good tape,im gonna watch it tonight again cause that tito - frank fight was pretty intense