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Source: ABC
BALTIMORE -- The death of Freddie Gray has been ruled a homicide caused by severe trauma.
State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby announced this morning that her office has also found probable cause to pursue criminal charges in connection to the case.
Mosby announced a series of charges now facing the six police officers involved in putting Gray in custody and transporting him in the police wagon on the morning of April 12. The charges vary for each individual, but include several counts of manslaughter, second degree assault, misconduct in office, and false imprisonment among others. A warrant has been issued for the police officer's arrest, Mosby said.
Gray, 25, was taken into police custody in Baltimore on April 12 and sustained a spinal injury during that time that required medical attention. He went into a coma several days later and died a week after his apprehension.
Read more: http://abc7news.com/news/freddie-grays-death-ruled-a-homicide/690829/
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but but but police leaked yesterday that "anonymous inmate in the police van" blamed it all on Gray for injuring himself.
Surely the police wouldn't lie to the public, right?
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but but but police leaked yesterday that "anonymous inmate in the police van" blamed it all on Gray for injuring himself.
Surely the police wouldn't lie to the public, right?
unlike you some people don't jump to conclusions we let the facts come in.and we still don't know what happen but I'm sure you'll tell us your fairy tail ;D
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Source: ABC
BALTIMORE -- The death of Freddie Gray has been ruled a homicide caused by severe trauma.
State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby announced this morning that her office has also found probable cause to pursue criminal charges in connection to the case.
Mosby announced a series of charges now facing the six police officers involved in putting Gray in custody and transporting him in the police wagon on the morning of April 12. The charges vary for each individual, but include several counts of manslaughter, second degree assault, misconduct in office, and false imprisonment among others. A warrant has been issued for the police officer's arrest, Mosby said.
Gray, 25, was taken into police custody in Baltimore on April 12 and sustained a spinal injury during that time that required medical attention. He went into a coma several days later and died a week after his apprehension.
Read more: http://abc7news.com/news/freddie-grays-death-ruled-a-homicide/690829/
The only way to stop the thuggery, fires, looting and violence.
In the end police will be cleared of wrongdoing.
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the trash will be unhappy with this they wanted another day to get free nike's
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FOP calls on prosecutor to recuse herself, defends officers
Source: Baltimore Sun
A Fraternal Order of Police lodge is asking Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby to appoint a special prosecutor to the Freddie Gray investigation because of her personal connection to the Gray family's attorney, William H. "Billy" Murphy Jr., and her marriage to a city councilman.
The letter from Gene Ryan, president of Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 3, also states that none of the six officers involved in Gray's arrest and death were responsible for the 25-year-old West Baltimore man's death that spurred protests and unrest, including rioting and looting on Monday. The letter was released just minutes before Mosby announced charges against the officers.
"Not one of the officers involved in this tragic situation left home in the morning with the anticipation that someone with whom they interacted would not go home that night," the letter states. "As tragic as this situation is, none of the officers involved are responsible for the death of Mr. Gray."
Ryan requests that Mosby appoint a "Special Independent Prosecutor."
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-riots/bs-md-fop-letter-20150501-story.html
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unlike you some people don't jump to conclusions we let the facts come in.and we still don't know what happen but I'm sure you'll tell us your fairy tail ;D
LOL I was screaming loudest, a week ago, that the police were on video dragging his already-limp ass to the van. He didn't do it to himself. I ranted about the bullshit blue shield.
And I called it bullshit when the police "leaked" the "anonymous" prisoner report that he was innocent.
We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something, had an "oh shit!' moment and voila, the pressure hit and one of them blabbed on the other - rightfully so!
LOL @ FOX news, 2 days ago, citing "anonymous sources" that Gray did it to himself:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/30/report-freddie-gray-may-have-intentionally-tried-to-injure-self-in-police-van/
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LOL I was screaming loudest, a week ago, that the police were on video dragging his already-limp ass to the van. He didn't do it to himself. I ranted about the bullshit blue shield.
And I called it bullshit when the police "leaked" the "anonymous" prisoner report that he was innocent.
We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something, had an "oh shit!' moment and voila, the pressure hit and one of them blabbed on the other - rightfully so!
LOL @ FOX news, 2 days ago, citing "anonymous sources" that Gray did it to himself:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/30/report-freddie-gray-may-have-intentionally-tried-to-injure-self-in-police-van/
. Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside of the BPD wagon," she said. not because they beat him, your making shit up again ;D
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So let me this straight. The black communities are going put the pressure to never arrest any black person again or defend themselves if attacked? Yeah, fuck you Sharpton.
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but but but police leaked yesterday that "anonymous inmate in the police van" blamed it all on Gray for injuring himself.
Surely the police wouldn't lie to the public, right?
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LOL I was screaming loudest, a week ago, that the police were on video dragging his already-limp ass to the van. He didn't do it to himself. I ranted about the bullshit blue shield.
And I called it bullshit when the police "leaked" the "anonymous" prisoner report that he was innocent.
We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something, had an "oh shit!' moment and voila, the pressure hit and one of them blabbed on the other - rightfully so!
LOL @ FOX news, 2 days ago, citing "anonymous sources" that Gray did it to himself:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/30/report-freddie-gray-may-have-intentionally-tried-to-injure-self-in-police-van/
I look forward to when you are deposed for your version of what happened because obviously you know what happened. But try to hold back labeling Us all as knowing what happens when the facts have not come out .. When people use terms like "we all know what happened " when they know it's not the case .. Just looks silly.. For example, "we all know The officer planted the Taser at his feet "
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It's a bullshit charge and they know it.
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I look forward to when you are deposed
Getbiggers don't get deposed. They state facts and Courts are required to give deference to getbigger testimony - but don't take my word for it, it's right there, in the Constitution!
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It's a bullshit charge and they know it.
you think slamming the brakes, resulting in killing him, is okay?
And you think them COVERING IT UP is okay?
Shit man, what about the fccking law in America? Cops broke it, period. Slammed on brakes, hurt him, and covered it up.
Fuck politics, fuck race - this is about BAD COPS hurting people.
Shit, I heard mike savage on radio tonight saying same thing, so what he slammed on brakes. Who the fuck is okay with cops abusing americans like this?
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It's a bullshit charge and they know it.
Don't worry coach, the system is corrupt.
Probably a 95% chance these corrupt cops walk. And even if convicted, they'll probably only face a week or so of probation.
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you think slamming the brakes, resulting in killing him, is okay?
And you think them COVERING IT UP is okay?
Shit man, what about the fccking law in America? Cops broke it, period. Slammed on brakes, hurt him, and covered it up.
Fuck politics, fuck race - this is about BAD COPS hurting people.
Shit, I heard mike savage on radio tonight saying same thing, so what he slammed on brakes. Who the fuck is okay with cops abusing americans like this?
I already owned the shit out of you on this on G&O. No need to rehash it.
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you think slamming the brakes, resulting in killing him, is okay?
And you think them COVERING IT UP is okay?
Shit man, what about the fccking law in America? Cops broke it, period. Slammed on brakes, hurt him, and covered it up.
Fuck politics, fuck race - this is about BAD COPS hurting people.
Shit, I heard mike savage on radio tonight saying same thing, so what he slammed on brakes. Who the fuck is okay with cops abusing americans like this?
Uno mas time.... provide the link where they have proven brakes were slammed
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I already owned the shit out of you on this on G&O. No need to rehash it.
LOL @ owned the shit? what are we, 12? You still cannot show us how the stop was legal or the arrest was legal. You still go to bed at night believe there's nothing wrong, in the US of A, with cops arresting and tossing someone in a police van when they've committed ZERO crime.
I'm an american and by golly, that shit isn't legal in my country. You can pretend the USA is a place where the constitution doesn't apply to groups you don't like, but in this case, the bag of shit freddie gray should have never been searched, arrested. That's my USA, the ted cruz USA. Not some bullshit RINO/lib police state.
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LOL @ owned the shit? what are we, 12? You still cannot show us how the stop was legal or the arrest was legal. You still go to bed at night believe there's nothing wrong, in the US of A, with cops arresting and tossing someone in a police van when they've committed ZERO crime.
I'm an american and by golly, that shit isn't legal in my country. You can pretend the USA is a place where the constitution doesn't apply to groups you don't like, but in this case, the bag of shit freddie gray should have never been searched, arrested. That's my USA, the ted cruz USA. Not some bullshit RINO/lib police state.
This. Lost in the noise to these apologists, is the fact that they put out that the arrest was illegal. We've yet to hear anything the guy did wrong. Something may come out, but I'm sure they would know by now if there were outstanding warrants, etc. So it certainly appears that they literally just scooped somebody up for nothing but running away.
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This. Lost in the noise to these apologists, is the fact that they put out that the arrest was illegal. We've yet to hear anything the guy did wrong. Something may come out, but I'm sure they would know by now if there were outstanding warrants, etc. So it certainly appears that they literally just scooped somebody up for nothing but running away.
It seems many "conservatives" believe it's cool to throw the Constittion out the window when they feel like it.
it's america. They saw him run and just decided to grab and search.
They found nothing but a legal knife, and arrested his ass anyway lol - strike 2.
Throwing him in a van and taking him to various stops - and he never broke a law nor gave probable cause.
And they're okay with it. Now, would they be okay if the police saw a 55 year old asian woman running, and threw her in the paddy wagon? Maybe they're okay with muscular men in their 40s and 50s getting thrown into the van for their morning jog and ending up dead.
I think they're okay with it cause the people being arrested illegally don't look like them.
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Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Officers indicted in death of Freddie Gray
Published May 21, 2015
Associated Press
All six officers charged in the police-custody death of Freddie Gray were indicted by a grand jury, a prosecutor said Thursday.
The indictments were very similar to the charges Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby announced about three weeks ago. The most serious charge for each officer, ranging from second-degree "depraved heart" murder to assault, still stood.
Gray suffered a critical spinal injury after police handcuffed, shackled and placed him head-first into a van, Mosby has said. His pleas for medical attention were repeatedly ignored, she said.
Mosby said prosecutors had presented evidence to the grand jury for the past two weeks. Some of the charges were changed based on new information, but she didn't say what that new information was. She also did not take questions.
"As is often the case, during an ongoing investigation, charges can and should be revised based upon the evidence," Mosby said.
In all, three of the officers had additional charges brought against them while three others had one less charge.
Gray was arrested April 12. He died in a hospital a week later and became a symbol of what protesters say was police brutality against blacks.
Two officers, Edward Nero and Garrett Miller, were indicted on second-degree assault, misconduct in office and reckless endangerment.
Caesar Goodson, who drove the transport van, faces manslaughter and second-degree "depraved heart" murder. Sgt. Alicia White, Lt. Brian Rice and officer William Porter are each charged with manslaughter, second-degree assault, misconduct in office and reckless endangerment.
Gray died on April 19, one week after he was critically injured, and his death inspired outrage among Baltimore residents that spawned protests that at least two points gave way to violence, looting and arson. In the wake of the riots, Democratic Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake implemented a curfew for all Baltimore residents, and Republican Gov. Larry Hogan declared a state of emergency.
Gray was arrested in the Sandtown-Winchester neighborhood of West Baltimore. According to court documents, Gray made eye contact with a police officer and took off running. He was apprehended two blocks away and arrested for possession of what Miller wrote in charging documents is illegal under a city ordinance.
Mosby said the arrest was unlawful because the knife is legal under state law.
None of the officers secured Gray's seatbelt in the van, a violation of police policy. Soon after he was placed in the van, Goodson stopped to secure him with leg irons because he had become "irate," police said.
After a ride that included several more stops, including one to pick up a second passenger, the van arrived at the Western District station house. By that time, Gray was non-responsive.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/21/officers-indicted-in-death-freddie-gray/?intcmp=latestnews
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he broke no law. he was arrested. that alone is huge.
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So he must have been murdered. Case closed. Another case quickly solved by our always wrong getbig detective. :)
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So he must have been murdered. Case closed. Another case quickly solved by our always wrong getbig detective. :)
Noooooooooooooooooooooo.
Quite a sick, disgusting step for you to make there.
But if he's illegally imprisoned, and denied medical attention, people on getbig should stop blowing them 24/7 already. They're lawbreaking jerks that wipe ass with constitution: FACT.
Beyond that, anyone defending them might as well be giving handjobs to bin laden, because they hate america equally.
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Yes. This case is clearly over. The officers are obviously guilty. ::)
Some people never get tired of being wrong.
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Yes. This case is clearly over. The officers are obviously guilty. ::)
Some people never get tired of being wrong.
saying he is wrong is implying you know the correct answer, which must be they are innocent. How did you arrive at this conclusion?
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saying he is wrong is implying you know the correct answer, which must be they are innocent. How did you arrive at this conclusion?
That's absurd. I don't know if they are guilty or innocent. Nobody does as this stage. That's the point.
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Noooooooooooooooooooooo.
Quite a sick, disgusting step for you to make there.
But if he's illegally imprisoned, and denied medical attention, people on getbig should stop blowing them 24/7 already. They're lawbreaking jerks that wipe ass with constitution: FACT.
Beyond that, anyone defending them might as well be giving handjobs to bin laden, because they hate america equally.
telling myself why bother as I type this but.... just incase there are rational people reading these remarks..
The arrest itself will likely not be an issue. I say this because there is question as to whether the knife is illegal or not. If it is even remotely questionable, the "good faith" clause will likely cover the officer on that.
Individually, there is likely culpability on the officers parts in varying degrees. I won't be surprised and expect a few of the charges to either be reduced or dropped as the process proceeds and information is forthcoming. Ultimately I expect a couple of the officers who had the most information and the greatest opportunity to recognize the distress and notify medical to be held accountable for it.
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the grand jury looked at the evidence and decided to charge them....
there may be some merit... they have seen a shitload of evidence and statements that we haven't. They DO know more than us, and they say it's time for trial.
Michael Brown/ferguson/exaggerating cop never made it this far. May be something to this one.
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That's absurd. I don't know if they are guilty or innocent. Nobody does as this stage. That's the point.
you said he was wrong, do you not remember what you said. How can you say someone is wrong if you do not know the truth?
Again you are making my point. no one knows, he may very well be right.
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saying he is wrong is implying you know the correct answer, which must be they are innocent. How did you arrive at this conclusion?
great point. the prosecutor and grand jury seem to not think i'm wrong.
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great point. the prosecutor and grand jury seem to not think i'm wrong.
Except that .. The grand jury looks to see if there is enough evidence to support going forward with the trial .. That is a world of difference between a conviction and labeling them lawbreaking scumbags . So I agree with the position that no, you don't know if they are guilty or not and no one at this point does. There is enough evidence to warrant a trial to present the facts to a jury at this point . Seems odd that you are ready to convict on a grand jury indictment however the Ferguson grand jury did not see enough evidence to go forward and do you have a problem with that. You need to make up your mind
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Except that .. The grand jury looks to see if there is enough evidence to support going forward with the trial .. That is a world of difference between a conviction and labeling them lawbreaking scumbags . So I agree with the position that no, you don't know if they are guilty or not and no one at this point does. There is enough evidence to warrant a trial to present the facts to a jury at this point . Seems odd that you are ready to convict on a grand jury indictment however the Ferguson grand jury did not see enough evidence to go forward and do you have a problem with that. You need to make up your mind
i'm ready to convict because these 6 cops' inaction let a man die while he begged repeatedly for medical attention.
the minute it's "okay" to deny prisoners medical care is the minute we no longer live in America.
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i'm ready to convict because these 6 cops' inaction let a man die while he begged repeatedly for medical attention.
the minute it's "okay" to deny prisoners medical care is the minute we no longer live in America.
That's why we don't allow emotions to trump facts and evidence when making decisions like guilt or innocence .. You are ready to convict them all on all charges when you don't know what level of involvement each officer had with the situation or information they had .
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It's a bullshit charge and they know it.
Now we know it's NOT a bullshit charge. He was in the police van unrestrained, and that was not included in the report. Boom, you wanted evidence, now you have it.
Autopsy of Freddie Gray shows 'high-energy' impact
Freddie Gray suffered a single "high-energy injury" — like those seen in shallow-water diving incidents — most likely caused when the police van in which he was riding suddenly decelerated, according to a copy of the autopsy report obtained by The Baltimore Sun.
The state medical examiner's office concluded that Gray's death could not be ruled an accident, and was instead a homicide, because officers failed to follow safety procedures "through acts of omission."
Though Gray was loaded into the van on his belly, the medical examiner surmised that he may have gotten to his feet and was thrown into the wall during an abrupt change in direction. He was not belted in, but his wrists and ankles were shackled, making him "at risk for an unsupported fall during acceleration or deceleration of the van."
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What exactly does this prove?
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What exactly does this prove?
it proves that the pro-zimmerman idiots that reflexively defended the cops were pretty wrong about it.
It proves the indictment saying they brake tested his ass was true.
It proves he truly needed medical attention when 5 or 6 of those cops denied it.
It proves he was not secured in the van as required by law.
And it removes any hope of "accident" and clearly shows "on purpose".
True, there will always be the types that will defend the cops, even as a few of them turn states' evidence, rat on each other, and clearly lay out the case he was denied medical care, tossed in van improperly, and brake tested to teach him not to run. Even then, the hermann-cain believers will still decry the cops innocence. Ever as the cops cry on the stand and admit guilt before sentencing, there will be the silly goofballs on getbig saying they were framed by a big conspiracy.
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it proves that the pro-zimmerman idiots that reflexively defended the cops were pretty wrong about it.
It proves the indictment saying they brake tested his ass was true.
It proves he truly needed medical attention when 5 or 6 of those cops denied it.
It proves he was not secured in the van as required by law.
And it removes any hope of "accident" and clearly shows "on purpose".
True, there will always be the types that will defend the cops, even as a few of them turn states' evidence, rat on each other, and clearly lay out the case he was denied medical care, tossed in van improperly, and brake tested to teach him not to run. Even then, the hermann-cain believers will still decry the cops innocence. Ever as the cops cry on the stand and admit guilt before sentencing, there will be the silly goofballs on getbig saying they were framed by a big conspiracy.
Really? Cool story bro.
I thought you were going to say it proved this:
We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something, had an "oh shit!' moment and voila, the pressure hit and one of them blabbed on the other - rightfully so!
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Really? Cool story bro.
I thought you were going to say it proved this:
it proves the cops lied. Period.
You can try to deterioriate it into "well, HOW did they kill him....?"
But they killed him, they created the injury and they denied him medical help. Undeniable now. Cops lied.
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it proves the cops lied. Period.
You can try to deterioriate it into "well, HOW did they kill him....?"
But they killed him, they created the injury and they denied him medical help. Undeniable now. Cops lied.
So you think this autopsy report proves your invented conclusion that the "police beat his ass, broke something"? Even though the report says an accident caused his injury? And even though the only reason the death was originally ruled a homicide was because the medical examiner was told this dude was not buckled up?
Sheesh. That is the nutty conspiracy theory mind at work right there.
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So you think this autopsy report proves your invented conclusion that the "police beat his ass, broke something"? Even though the report says an accident caused his injury? And even though the only reason the death was originally ruled a homicide was because the medical examiner was told this dude was not buckled up?
Sheesh. That is the nutty conspiracy theory mind at work right there.
Cops killed him and denied him medical attention as he laid dying. No amount of kneepadding can change that. you want them to be innocent so bad, but they're indicted, the autopsy shows homicide... at some point ya gotta accept we have shitty cops lying & breaking the law here, plain and simple.
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I listened to the report yesterday on CNN. They were showing the video of the cops taking him to the van initially. He couldn't walk. If I were the defense lawyer for the cops I would argue that
1. Freddie had a pre-existing injury to that area that was so severe he was on doctors orders to remain on bed rest
2. He was clearly suffering before being placed in the van. His injury most likely occurred when he was tasered and fell. Possibly into that 2 foot brick wall
3. There is no clear evidence the cops "brake tested".
Can't defend them on not getting him medical attention from the get go though.. I've called EMS hundreds of times to check out someone who claimed/or obviously was injured or in distress. It costs me nothing and it removes liability. Someone will likely be held accountable for that and likely not securing him in the van regardless of whether it caused injury or not.
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Cops killed him and denied him medical attention as he laid dying. No amount of kneepadding can change that. you want them to be innocent so bad, but they're indicted, the autopsy shows homicide... at some point ya gotta accept we have shitty cops lying & breaking the law here, plain and simple.
I don't want anyone to be guilty or innocent. Haven't gotten into the details yet. I'll have a position after I've done that.
One thing is certain already though: you are doing what you do, making up facts, lying, and overall being wrong as the day is long.
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I listened to the report yesterday on CNN. They were showing the video of the cops taking him to the van initially. He couldn't walk. If I were the defense lawyer for the cops I would argue that
1. Freddie had a pre-existing injury to that area that was so severe he was on doctors orders to remain on bed rest
2. He was clearly suffering before being placed in the van. His injury most likely occurred when he was tasered and fell. Possibly into that 2 foot brick wall
3. There is no clear evidence the cops "brake tested".
Can't defend them on not getting him medical attention from the get go though.. I've called EMS hundreds of times to check out someone who claimed/or obviously was injured or in distress. It costs me nothing and it removes liability. Someone will likely be held accountable for that and likely not securing him in the van regardless of whether it caused injury or not.
I haven't read a lot about this case. What's the evidence that they broke this back, killed him, etc.?
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I haven't read a lot about this case. What's the evidence that they broke this back, killed him, etc.?
that at some point he suffered a high impact blow.. and that he was in police custody at one point.. and that later he died. Other than that.. it's speculation. No doubt they dropped the ball on medical attention, should have secured him in the van.. but the other allegations, we'll have to wait.
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that at some point he suffered a high impact blow.. and that he was in police custody at one point.. and that later he died. Other than that.. it's speculation. No doubt they dropped the ball on medical attention, should have secured him in the van.. but the other allegations, we'll have to wait.
That's it? And they charged the driver with murder?? I thought there was more to it than that. Sounds awfully weak.
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I, like most if not all the people here are going on news reports of the incident. There have been many situations in my career where information being broadcast, even by fellow officers within the department, turned out not to be accurate and was based on 2nd and 3rd hand information. If at the end of the day they have an investigation that shows a preponderance of evidence that all the allegations are in fact true, I'm good with that as well. I don't know what all happened, but what I can see for myself is the man was already showing trouble standing/walking prior to being placed in the van.
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I, like most if not all the people here are going on news reports of the incident. There have been many situations in my career where information being broadcast, even by fellow officers within the department, turned out not to be accurate and was based on 2nd and 3rd hand information. If at the end of the day they have an investigation that shows a preponderance of evidence that all the allegations are in fact true, I'm good with that as well. I don't know what all happened, but what I can see for myself is the man was already showing trouble standing/walking prior to being placed in the van.
Good man. I try and let the facts come in before forming an opinion. The Zimmerman/Martin and Ferguson matters are prime examples. Initial reports and allegations were not true.
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Good man. I try and let the facts come in before forming an opinion. The Zimmerman/Martin and Ferguson matters are prime examples. Initial reports and allegations were not true.
Really can't go wrong doing that..
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Source: Witness Told Cops That Freddie Gray Hit His Head Against Van
Jun 30, 2015
As seen on The Kelly File
New evidence has emerged in the criminal case against six Baltimore police officers who have been charged in connection with Freddie Gray’s death.
“The Kelly File” has learned that there’s conflicting information surrounding witness Donta Allen’s story.
The Washington Post first reported that Allen, who was the only person in the police van with Gray, reported to authorities that he could hear Gray trying to injure himself.
Allen later denied that story to reporters, claiming that he only heard a little banging and calling the police “crooked.”
Now, a source close to the case tells “The Kelly File” that there’s video of Allen telling police that Gray was hitting his head against the van and “sounded like a madman.”
Watch more from “The Kelly File” above.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/30/source-witness-donta-allen-said-video-he-could-hear-freddie-gray-banging-head-against
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is this the same 'source' that told fox news the cop in ferguson had a fractured orbital?
I remember FOX still had that news story up for months after it was proven false.
Sorry, but the word of a criminal trying to snitch his way out of charges doesn't mean much to me. I trust the coroner much more. LOL - suppose the criminal was telling us there was a brake test, would you believe him then too? No, you only believe this criminal because he says what you want to believe.
Let's see... you believe this criminal over the word of a college-educated medical professional that blamed a sudden impact? I guess the credentials of someone arrested > those of a medical examiner? And yes, that criminal's story keeps changing Megyn Kelly admits? LOL!!!
Sheesh, broscience all the way here.
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I guess this is more evidence that the cops beat this guy up, "broke something," etc.
We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something, had an "oh shit!' moment and voila, the pressure hit and one of them blabbed on the other - rightfully so!
Some folks never get tired of being wrong.
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I guess this is more evidence that the cops beat this guy up, "broke something," etc.
Some folks never get tired of being wrong.
sorry, but conflicting statements from the same incarcerated criminal hardly counts as "evidence" when up against expert analysis from a trained medical worker.
I trust the law, the govt, and the police - and NOT some lying-ass convict trying to fib his way into a plea.
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sorry, but conflicting statements from the same incarcerated criminal hardly counts as "evidence" when up against expert analysis from a trained medical worker.
I trust the law, the govt, and the police - and NOT some lying-ass convict trying to fib his way into a plea.
Damn rational post, what's gotten into you?
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Damn rational post, what's gotten into you?
People on the right dutifully repeated lie after lie from the Ferguson PD, even when these lies about orbital bones and "about 20 or 30 feet" were disproven. They're still repeating them.
In this case, the police/M.E./prosecutor are all saying the same thing - and suddenly republicans are Matlock, doubting everything "the system" has to say, and resorting to the word of some wishy washy convict with multiple versions of the story.
They don't get - it's totally cool to admit from time to time, that some cops do abuse people, and some cops do deny people medical attention. Like in all walks of life, sometimes cops do screw up and lie about it, just like garbagemen knocking over mailboxes and driving off, etc. it happens. Cops are just people.
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sorry, but conflicting statements from the same incarcerated criminal hardly counts as "evidence" when up against expert analysis from a trained medical worker.
I trust the law, the govt, and the police - and NOT some lying-ass convict trying to fib his way into a plea.
The medical examiner said this was an accident. The only eyewitness provides no evidence that the "police beat his ass, broke something." I have seen nothing yet that points to murder.
But I have to keep in mind you are the same person who believes the United States government conspired with foreign terrorists to attack us on 9/11, fake plane crashes, kidnap and murder passengers and secretly dispose of their bodies, etc.
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I have not found where the ME stated the police caused the injury. Please post a link 240
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I have not found where the ME stated the police caused the injury. Please post a link 240
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Again, I would caution that we wait until the investigation is complete before drawing conclusions. Leaks or premature release of bits and pieces for or against the police only muddy the waters and build pre conceived beliefs that may not be based in fact
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People on the right dutifully repeated lie after lie from the Ferguson PD, even when these lies about orbital bones and "about 20 or 30 feet" were disproven. They're still repeating them.
In this case, the police/M.E./prosecutor are all saying the same thing - and suddenly republicans are Matlock, doubting everything "the system" has to say, and resorting to the word of some wishy washy convict with multiple versions of the story.
They don't get - it's totally cool to admit from time to time, that some cops do abuse people, and some cops do deny people medical attention. Like in all walks of life, sometimes cops do screw up and lie about it, just like garbagemen knocking over mailboxes and driving off, etc. it happens. Cops are just people.
Nevermind, dude. Wasn't following the narrative. Same ol' 240, but the irony here might be lost on you. You seem to be doing exactly what you criticize about your adversaries on the right.
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Again, I would caution that we wait until the investigation is complete before drawing conclusions. Leaks or premature release of bits and pieces for or against the police only muddy the waters and build pre conceived beliefs that may not be based in fact
Exactly. It is possible they murdered the guy, but that's what the evidence needs to tell us.
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Exactly. It is possible they murdered the guy, but that's what the evidence needs to tell us.
Unless you really want it to turn out they murdered him, then I suppose you can put words in the examiners mouth and make statements from thin air about how they did.. :)
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Unless you really want it to turn out they murdered him, then I suppose you can put words in the examiners mouth and make statements from thin air about how they did.. :)
Stop attacking 240. >:(
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Stop attacking 240. >:(
Stop attacking Agnostic007
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The medical examiner said this was an accident. The only eyewitness provides no evidence that the "police beat his ass, broke something." I have seen nothing yet that points to murder.
But I have to keep in mind you are the same person who believes the United States government conspired with foreign terrorists to attack us on 9/11, fake plane crashes, kidnap and murder passengers and secretly dispose of their bodies, etc.
Sounds more like you've got your mind made up, or at the very least, you desperately want them let off. The only thing I know of about the ME is that the report hasn't been made public, but the Baltimore Sun presumably got a leaked copy. And according to the ME, this was a homicide and the cops failed to take appropriate care of him.
IF, we are to believe the Baltimore Sun, then they failed to strap him in, gave him a rough ride, and repeatedly failed to provide medical attention when it was clearly obvious he needed it and was asking for it. That's clearly depraved heart murder and that was clearly done by the cops.
I'm willing to accept that could be all wrong and we won't know until the report is released to the public, but I haven't seen yet where it's been characterized as a mere accident.
I also think we can drop any pretense that there will be any fairness in this whole fiasco. The cops are already starting off with the deck stacked in their favor. We've seen it time and again.
-juries favor cops
-judges favor cops
-these cops are being investigated by their cop buddies
And lets not forget that Freddie was poor, Black, used drugs, had priors so all the cop cheerleaders will be bringing that nonsense up.
Chances of an actual conviction = .0000000000000000004%
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Sounds more like you've got your mind made up, or at the very least, you desperately want them let off. The only thing I know of about the ME is that the report hasn't been made public, but the Baltimore Sun presumably got a leaked copy. And according to the ME, this was a homicide and the cops failed to take appropriate care of him.
IF, we are to believe the Baltimore Sun, then they failed to strap him in, gave him a rough ride, and repeatedly failed to provide medical attention when it was clearly obvious he needed it and was asking for it. That's clearly depraved heart murder and that was clearly done by the cops.
I'm willing to accept that could be all wrong and we won't know until the report is released to the public, but I haven't seen yet where it's been characterized as a mere accident.
I also think we can drop any pretense that there will be any fairness in this whole fiasco. The cops are already starting off with the deck stacked in their favor. We've seen it time and again.
-juries favor cops
-judges favor cops
-these cops are being investigated by their cop buddies
And lets not forget that Freddie was poor, Black, used drugs, had priors so all the cop cheerleaders will be bringing that nonsense up.
Chances of an actual conviction = .0000000000000000004%
No, I don't have my mind made up and no I don't desperately want anyone to get off. Nothing I've said in this thread supports those conclusions.
I follow the evidence. I haven't been following this closely, but what I've seen so far does not support a murder charge.
That said, I do believe the rush to charge them was politically motivated and the prosecutor does not appear unbiased. That doesn't make the officers innocent or guilty, but may help explain why at least one was charged with murder.
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No, I don't have my mind made up and no I don't desperately want anyone to get off. Nothing I've said in this thread supports those conclusions.
I follow the evidence. I haven't been following this closely, but what I've seen so far does not support a murder charge.
That said, I do believe the rush to charge them was politically motivated and the prosecutor does not appear unbiased. That doesn't make the officers innocent or guilty, but may help explain why at least one was charged with murder.
Meh...what I've just pointed out is that the ONLY evidence released so far is the supposedly leaked ME report and that supports a depraved heart murder charge. So again, where are you getting that it was a mere accident, and the depraved heart is not supported? Provided we're only going off of what is out in the public.
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Sounds more like you've got your mind made up, or at the very least, you desperately want them let off. The only thing I know of about the ME is that the report hasn't been made public, but the Baltimore Sun presumably got a leaked copy. And according to the ME, this was a homicide and the cops failed to take appropriate care of him.
IF, we are to believe the Baltimore Sun, then they failed to strap him in, gave him a rough ride, and repeatedly failed to provide medical attention when it was clearly obvious he needed it and was asking for it. That's clearly depraved heart murder and that was clearly done by the cops.
I'm willing to accept that could be all wrong and we won't know until the report is released to the public, but I haven't seen yet where it's been characterized as a mere accident.
I also think we can drop any pretense that there will be any fairness in this whole fiasco. The cops are already starting off with the deck stacked in their favor. We've seen it time and again.
-juries favor cops
-judges favor cops
-these cops are being investigated by their cop buddies
And lets not forget that Freddie was poor, Black, used drugs, had priors so all the cop cheerleaders will be bringing that nonsense up.
Chances of an actual conviction = .0000000000000000004%
your synopsis of Dos Equis is 100% correct. He's resorted to trusting the ever-changing word of a convict over the M.E., the prosecutor, etc.
Also you're probably right they'll be let off the hook. Or plead out. Always works out that way. Doesn't mean they didn't brake test him or deny him medical attention when asked, just that they'll beat the rap.
Dos equis probably still thinks OJ is innocent too?
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Meh...what I've just pointed out is that the ONLY evidence released so far is the supposedly leaked ME report and that supports a depraved heart murder charge. So again, where are you getting that it was a mere accident, and the depraved heart is not supported? Provided we're only going off of what is out in the public.
The ME said the only reason his death was classified as a homicide was the ME was told the guy should have been buckled up. That doesn't support a murder charge.
The guy in the van apparently said Gray was banging his head against the wall.
None of the evidence I've heard supports this kind of fabricated crap:
LOL I was screaming loudest, a week ago, that the police were on video dragging his already-limp ass to the van. He didn't do it to himself. I ranted about the bullshit blue shield.
And I called it bullshit when the police "leaked" the "anonymous" prisoner report that he was innocent.
We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something, had an "oh shit!' moment and voila, the pressure hit and one of them blabbed on the other - rightfully so!
Or maybe I just haven't seen it? I'd like to review the video of the police "dragging his already-liimp ass to the van." Has anyone seen it?
Or any evidence the "police his ass, broke something"?
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The ME said the only reason his death was classified as a homicide was the ME was told the guy should have been buckled up. That doesn't support a murder charge.
The guy in the van apparently said Gray was banging his head against the wall.
None of the evidence I've heard supports this kind of fabricated crap:
No, that's just selectively taking one part of it. The ME said there were multiple acts of omission in both not securing him in AND failing to get him help on some 3 or 4 occasions.
Seriously dude - you actually think it's appropriate not to secure somebody in a van when they have no way of stabilizing themselves? Do you seriously think a grown, mature adult should even need a 'formal policy' to exercise that kind of good basic judgement?
We hold people accountable ALL the time. But when it comes to cops, the cheerleaders want to defy even the most basic logic.
Let's not pretend that Freddie Gray was the first person ever that's been a physical pain in the ass. Chances are, it's as old as the Baltimore PD. And it's inexcusable that full grown, mature adults failed to take basic precautions to ensure an 'accident' did not occur.
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No, that's just selectively taking one part of it. The ME said there were multiple acts of omission in both not securing him in AND failing to get him help on some 3 or 4 occasions.
Seriously dude - you actually think it's appropriate not to secure somebody in a van when they have no way of stabilizing themselves? Do you seriously think a grown, mature adult should even need a 'formal policy' to exercise that kind of good basic judgement?
We hold people accountable ALL the time. But when it comes to cops, the cheerleaders want to defy even the most basic logic.
Let's not pretend that Freddie Gray was the first person ever that's been a physical pain in the ass. Chances are, it's as old as the Baltimore PD. And it's inexcusable that full grown, mature adults failed to take basic precautions to ensure an 'accident' did not occur.
Actually, the ME wasn't there and only repeated what he/she was told by the prosecutor's office about Gray not being buckled up, etc.
No, I don't think a person should be handcuffed and placed in the back of a van without being secured. Do I think that fact in and of itself should result in a murder charge? Absolutely not.
Give me facts showing the officers either caused his initial injury or knew he was injured, then intentionally or recklessly drove in a way to cause further injury, then we'll have something that supports a possible murder charge.
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Actually, the ME wasn't there
LOL and the arrested idiot with changing stories, he was there, so he's more credible!??
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LOL and the arrested idiot with changing stories, he was there, so he's more credible!??
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LOL I was screaming loudest, a week ago, that the police were on video dragging his already-limp ass to the van. He didn't do it to himself. I ranted about the bullshit blue shield.
And I called it bullshit when the police "leaked" the "anonymous" prisoner report that he was innocent.
We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something, had an "oh shit!' moment and voila, the pressure hit and one of them blabbed on the other - rightfully so!
Where is the evidence of this?
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Actually, the ME wasn't there and only repeated what he/she was told by the prosecutor's office about Gray not being buckled up, etc.
No, I don't think a person should be handcuffed and placed in the back of a van without being secured. Do I think that fact in and of itself should result in a murder charge? Absolutely not.
Give me facts showing the officers either caused his initial injury or knew he was injured, then intentionally or recklessly drove in a way to cause further injury, then we'll have something that supports a possible murder charge.
Uh yeah dude, just like every single other case in the criminal justice system, the ME was not there. ::)
As for the charge, it's 2nd degree and defined as reckless disregard for a persons life.
Again, full grown, responsible, mature adults put him in the back of van with no means of stabilizing himself. That seems to be a reckless disregard for life.
I have little doubt that if some parent stuck their kid in the back of car who was unable to stabilize themselves and the kid died from getting bounced around, you would zero problem with the charge.
But, cops....gotta cover for them, lol.
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Where is the evidence of this?
Not hard to find, unless you really don't want to...
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I should note though, they've stated his leg was not broken during arrest. I don't think it was broke at all in fact.
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Not hard to find, unless you really don't want to...
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great point. Tough for anyone to deny it, no matter how hard they want to kneepad law enforcement.
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Uh yeah dude, just like every single other case in the criminal justice system, the ME was not there. ::)
As for the charge, it's 2nd degree and defined as reckless disregard for a persons life.
Again, full grown, responsible, mature adults put him in the back of van with no means of stabilizing himself. That seems to be a reckless disregard for life.
I have little doubt that if some parent stuck their kid in the back of car who was unable to stabilize themselves and the kid died from getting bounced around, you would zero problem with the charge.
But, cops....gotta cover for them, lol.
I see. So when you said this:
No, that's just selectively taking one part of it. The ME said there were multiple acts of omission in both not securing him in AND failing to get him help on some 3 or 4 occasions.
you realized that you were not actually citing evidence, but only what the prosecutor told the ME?
No, simply putting a handcuffed person in the back of a police van is not by itself a reckless disregard for human life.
But when you hate the cops and believe we live in a police state, you can fill in those pukas (holes) with whatever facts fits your anti-law enforcement theory.
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I see. So when you said this:
you realized that you were not actually citing evidence, but only what the prosecutor told the ME?
No, simply putting a handcuffed person in the back of a police van is not by itself a reckless disregard for human life.
But when you hate the cops and believe we live in a police state, you can fill in those pukas (holes) with whatever facts fits your anti-law enforcement theory.
Just more distortion. I've been very clear that the only thing we know is what was leaked to the Baltimore Sun. Could be true, could be dead wrong.
Right now, we don't know that's what the prosecutor told the ME, for all we know the ME interviewed the cops themselves.
Yes, putting a handcuffed man in the back of a police van WITHOUT SECURING HIM IN, is a reckless disregard for human life.
But when you're a cop cheerleader, you've got to look for anything to grasp onto.
Damn Cheerleaders and haters, lol.
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Not hard to find, unless you really don't want to...
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First time I've watched this. Had to get past the host, who isn't the most credible person. In any event, two things:
1. It does not show whether he was unable to walk or simply refusing to walk. Didn't the autopsy show he been using multiple drugs?
2. This is not evidence that the "police beat his ass, broke something."
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First time I've watched this. Had to get past the host, who isn't the most credible person. In any event, two things:
1. It does not show whether he was unable to walk or simply refusing to walk. Didn't the autopsy show he been using multiple drugs?
2. This is not evidence that the "police beat his ass, broke something."
Yeah, I think he had like 3 or 4 drugs in his system.
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Just more distortion. I've been very clear that the only thing we know is what was leaked to the Baltimore Sun. Could be true, could be dead wrong.
Right now, we don't know that's what the prosecutor told the ME, for all we know the ME interviewed the cops themselves.
Yes, putting a handcuffed man in the back of a police van WITHOUT SECURING HIM IN, is a reckless disregard for human life.
But when you're a cop cheerleader, you've got to look for anything to grasp onto.
Damn Cheerleaders and haters, lol.
That is such a red herring. Ok. Let's assume it was the cops who told the ME that Gray was not restrained. The fact is the only reason the "ME said there were multiple acts of omission in both not securing him in AND failing to get him help on some 3 or 4 occasions," was because that's what someone told the ME (prosecutor, cops, or whomever). I think it was likely the prosecutor.
If you put a handcuffed man in the back of a police van and speed, make sudden stops, etc., then you are probably displaying a reckless disregard for human life. We don't have those facts. But that won't stop you cop haters from filling in the blanks.
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That is such a red herring. Ok. Let's assume it was the cops who told the ME that Gray was not restrained. The fact is the only reason the "ME said there were multiple acts of omission in both not securing him in AND failing to get him help on some 3 or 4 occasions," was because that's what someone told the ME (prosecutor, cops, or whomever). I think it was likely the prosecutor.
If you put a handcuffed man in the back of a police van and speed, make sudden stops, etc., then you are probably displaying a reckless disregard for human life. We don't have those facts. But that won't stop you cop haters from filling in the blanks.
Yes Beach...EVERY case in the criminal justice system where the ME is doing an investigation like this results in the ME talking to people to find out what happened. The ME is not at every death. So the ME puts in their report the results of the investigation - hence the 'ME said'.
Now you're taking this to a child's level.
Nobody has said we have the facts, I've said the opposite, but you've got nothing left so you're grasping at straws to attack me.
All I've pointed out is that from what's been leaked, it suggests the charge is valid. It could very well turn out otherwise, and I think they have a significant hurdle to overcome if they didn't call for EMS when the guy asked for it (but that too remains to be seen, because maybe one of them did). You're claim of an 'accident' isn't supported anywhere.
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Yes Beach...EVERY case in the criminal justice system where the ME is doing an investigation like this results in the ME talking to people to find out what happened. The ME is not at every death. So the ME puts in their report the results of the investigation - hence the 'ME said'.
Now you're taking this to a child's level.
Nobody has said we have the facts, I've said the opposite, but you've got nothing left so you're grasping at straws to attack me.
All I've pointed out is that from what's been leaked, it suggests the charge is valid. It could very well turn out otherwise, and I think they have a significant hurdle to overcome if they didn't call for EMS when the guy asked for it (but that too remains to be seen, because maybe one of them did). You're claim of an 'accident' isn't supported anywhere.
The point you're missing is the only reason the ME classified this as a homicide is because someone told the ME Gray was not restrained.
You should go back read our exchanges. Who started with the cop lover/anti-cop labeling?
I don't know what happened. I have just started reading about this case. My opinion will take me wherever the facts lead.
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The point you're missing is the only reason the ME classified this as a homicide is because someone told the ME Gray was not restrained.
You should go back read our exchanges. Who started with the cop lover/anti-cop labeling?
I don't know what happened. I have just started reading about this case. My opinion will take me wherever the facts lead.
Well then maybe I'm lost. If you're only saying that he could've been properly restrained in the van and we have to wait for that fact to come out, I would agree 100%.
The knife is a good example. Initially it was claimed that there was nothing illegal about it. From what's being reported now, they dropped the charges against the cops because the knife was in fact illegal.
Alright...interesting discussion. Off to watch Get Hard with Will Ferrel now. :-X
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Well then maybe I'm lost. If you're only saying that he could've been properly restrained in the van and we have to wait for that fact to come out, I would agree 100%.
The knife is a good example. Initially it was claimed that there was nothing illegal about it. From what's being reported now, they dropped the charges against the cops because the knife was in fact illegal.
Alright...interesting discussion. Off to watch Get Hard with Will Ferrel now. :-X
I'm not disputing he wasn't restrained. I'm disputing your contention that being unrestrained, by itself, with nothing more, is a reckless disregard for human life.
Enjoy the movie. :)
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your synopsis of Dos Equis is 100% correct. He's resorted to trusting the ever-changing word of a convict over the M.E., the prosecutor, etc.
Also you're probably right they'll be let off the hook. Or plead out. Always works out that way. Doesn't mean they didn't brake test him or deny him medical attention when asked, just that they'll beat the rap.
Dos equis probably still thinks OJ is innocent too?
U predicted Hernandez would skate.... So lets not get too use to that high horse
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U predicted Hernandez would skate.... So lets not get too use to that high horse
I made up for that by calling the Lebron CLE return during the NBA season. ;D
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your synopsis of Dos Equis is 100% correct. He's resorted to trusting the ever-changing word of a convict over the M.E., the prosecutor, etc.
Also you're probably right they'll be let off the hook. Or plead out. Always works out that way. Doesn't mean they didn't brake test him or deny him medical attention when asked, just that they'll beat the rap.
Dos equis probably still thinks OJ is innocent too?
This sounds MUCH more like you, Rob. Helluva spin there, brother.
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Not hard to find, unless you really don't want to...
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This is evidence that police abused him?
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great point. Tough for anyone to deny it, no matter how hard they want to kneepad law enforcement.
I'm starting to think you're one of the least honest or credible here when it comes to these cases. What does that video show other than a normal arrest, with a suspect dragging his leg and yelling?
You kneepad perps just the same.
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I'm starting to think you're one of the least honest or credible here when it comes to these cases. What does that video show other than a normal arrest, with a suspect dragging his leg and yelling?
You kneepad perps just the same.
nah, I thought Wilson was justified to shoot the brains out that head, when he was reaching into the car. See, I often think BOTH people are scumbags, the perp and the cop, in many situations. I'd like to see them both in prison, ya know? I have no love for bad guys, I've called trayvon a scumbag many times.
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I question the judgment and impartiality of anyone who looks at that video at the 51 second mark and draws the conclusion the cops beat his ass. Complete speculation at that point
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I question the judgment and impartiality of anyone who looks at that video at the 51 second mark and draws the conclusion the cops beat his ass. Complete speculation at that point
I agree.
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I agree.
I'm not saying they didn't I'm just saying that video doesn't show it.
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I'm not saying they didn't I'm just saying that video doesn't show it.
I'm saying the same thing. I don't know whether the cops beat the guy up or murdered him. Maybe they did. That's what the evidence will need to tell us. I don't think the video is evidence of him being beaten up or murdered.
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I'm saying the same thing. I don't know whether the cops beat the guy up or murdered him. Maybe they did. That's what the evidence will need to tell us. I don't think the video is evidence of him being beaten up or murdered.
Thirded. All's I'm saying is this here is a ridiculously biased conclusion:
Tough for anyone to deny it, no matter how hard they want to kneepad law enforcement.
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Thirded. All's I'm saying is this here is a ridiculously biased conclusion:
And another ridiculously biased conclusion from the same person:
LOL I was screaming loudest, a week ago, that the police were on video dragging his already-limp ass to the van. He didn't do it to himself. I ranted about the bullshit blue shield.
And I called it bullshit when the police "leaked" the "anonymous" prisoner report that he was innocent.
We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something, had an "oh shit!' moment and voila, the pressure hit and one of them blabbed on the other - rightfully so!
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And another ridiculously biased conclusion from the same person:
Yeah... 240 really has a blind spot the size of Nevada when it comes to these things...
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Yeah... 240 really has a blind spot the size of Nevada when it comes to these things...
It's not a blind spot. It's just abject dishonesty.
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This is evidence that police abused him?
In and of itself? Probably not, but maybe if he needed medical attention then and they ignored it.
I find it interesting that 'totality of the circumstances' only seems to be applicable when it favors the cops, lol.
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In and of itself? Probably not, but maybe if he needed medical attention then and they ignored it.
Here's the context:
"We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something ..." - 240
"Not hard to find unless you really don't want to." (With video of cops arresting/dragging Gray) - You
"This is evidence that police abused him?" - Me
So now you're contradicting yourself, no? There was no beating in that video was my only point.
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Here's the context:
"We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something ..." - 240
"Not hard to find unless you really don't want to." (With video of cops arresting/dragging Gray) - You
"This is evidence that police abused him?" - Me
So now you're contradicting yourself, no? There was no beating in that video was my only point.
Beach Bum highlighted 2 parts of 240's post. I was responding to: "the police were on video dragging his already-limp ass to the van".
So, if I was misleading you, then my bad. I deny all responsibility and plead the 5th.
I think I've been clear that we don't have all the facts. IF we just go on what's out now, I don't think it looks promising for the cops. That can change in an instant, of course.
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Carcetti fired Burrell today. Daniels waiting in the wings.
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Megyn & Panel Weigh New 'Judge-Shopping' Allegations in Freddie Gray Case
Jul 15, 2015
There are new allegations of misconduct against Baltimore prosecutors in the Freddie Gray case.
According to the defense, prosecutors in State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby's office went "judge-shopping" and are still withholding evidence.
Six police officers are facing criminal charges for Gray's death while in police custody. Defense attorneys claim that prosecutors were denied a search warrant for the officers' phones, with a judge ruling there was not probable cause.
The Baltimore Sun reports:
Three days later, an officer writes in the memo, a prosecutor called and said he or she had found a judge who had agreed to sign the warrants.
It's not clear what, if anything, investigators found on their phones.
The defense attorneys say taking a search warrant application that has been denied to another judge is improper. They want a hearing to determine whether any evidence obtained in the search should be suppressed.
All of the officers have pleaded not guilty and the trials are scheduled to begin in October.
Megyn Kelly discussed the latest twist in the high-profile case with attorneys Mark Eiglarsh and Arthur Aidala.
She noted that if the defense's allegations are true, then "it's blatantly unethical."
Eiglarsh agreed it is "bad" if it's proven that prosecutors went to other judges after one denied a warrant.
"My own children know that when you go to daddy, you better tell me that mommy said 'no' first, or daddy's gonna get pissed. They deserve a timeout for this," he said.
Aidala argued that prosecutors can go to the second judge as long as they disclose their contact with the first judge. He said if prosecutors did not disclose that fact, then the evidence should be thrown out.
Watch the segment below. And coming up tonight on "The Kelly File" at 9p/12a ET, hear from Sen. Ted Cruz on his battle with the New York Times and the Iran nuclear deal.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/15/mosby-accused-misconduct-judge-shopping-gray-case-megyn-kelly-panel-react
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typical alinsky tactics... FOX can't attack the evidence or the charges or the lying cops that denied the man medical care...
so instead FOX attacks the judges and the "system".
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The analogy of going to daddy after mommy said no is funny. Wrong, but funny. Judge shopping is a common occurrence. Some judges are liberal, some are conservative, some have personal reasons for thinking Drunk driving isn't so bad, or domestic abuse is acceptable. Some judges refuse to sign warrants when the law is clear there is more than ample reason to do so. I've had judges that think any drug crime is ridiculous or having your home burglarized is a mere inconvenience. Then there are judges who have had their house broken into or their car burglarized and will gladly sign the warrant and set a high bond. I've had more than one judge tell me to bring it to judge ____, they'll sign it. So it's not unusual or improper in the legal world to judge shop. They all have personal preferences, biases and agendas. If judges all followed the rules and kept personal opinions out, signing warrants based solely on the facts of the case, you wouldn't need to do it. It's not always that the warrant was lacking anything.. in fact, in most cases I would say it's not about the evidence at all.
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The analogy of going to daddy after mommy said no is funny. Wrong, but funny. Judge shopping is a common occurrence. Some judges are liberal, some are conservative, some have personal reasons for thinking Drunk driving isn't so bad, or domestic abuse is acceptable. Some judges refuse to sign warrants when the law is clear there is more than ample reason to do so. I've had judges that think any drug crime is ridiculous or having your home burglarized is a mere inconvenience. Then there are judges who have had their house broken into or their car burglarized and will gladly sign the warrant and set a high bond. So it's not unusual or improper in the legal world to judge shop. If judges all followed the rules and kept personal opinions out, signing warrants based solely on the facts of the case, you wouldn't need to do it.
According to the guys in the clip, it is only permissible if they tell the second judge they already went to a prior judge. Not sure if that happened.
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According to the guys in the clip, it is only permissible if they tell the second judge they already went to a prior judge. Not sure if that happened.
Not sure if that happened either. Bouncing from judge to judge was so common when I was getting warrants signed that hiding that from a judge wouldn't make sense in my case. It's not like they would say "Oh, Judge Bean wouldn't sign it? Then I'm not going to sign it." It would have been more like "That judge Bean... she hates DWI cases..I'll do her job for her..again" But I can't recall any hard fast rule it was required to tell the judge you were just next door. Plus, if the affidavit is sound and all the elements are there.. it shouldn't really matter if another judge refused. The new judge should review it on it's merits.. it either rises to the level of a warrant or not. It wouldn't be uncommon for a judge to refuse to sign a warrant because it was a potential political hot potato either, which may or may not be the case here.
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Not sure if that happened either. Bouncing from judge to judge was so common when I was getting warrants signed that hiding that from a judge wouldn't make sense in my case. It's not like they would say "Oh, Judge Bean wouldn't sign it? Then I'm not going to sign it." It would have been more like "That judge Bean... she hates DWI cases..I'll do her job for her..again" But I can't recall any hard fast rule it was required to tell the judge you were just next door. Plus, if the affidavit is sound and all the elements are there.. it shouldn't really matter if another judge refused. The new judge should review it on it's merits.. it either rises to the level of a warrant or not. It wouldn't be uncommon for a judge to refuse to sign a warrant because it was a potential political hot potato either, which may or may not be the case here.
I think it should matter, because they shouldn't just be "judge shopping" trying to find someone who will agree with them. I'm sure it probably happens a lot, but sounds like the prosecutor in this instance may have just gotten caught.
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I think it should matter, because they shouldn't be just be "judge shopping" trying to find someone who will agree with them. I'm sure it probably happens a lot, but sounds like the prosecutor in this instance may have just gotten caught.
I never thought about it before this discussion, but judge shopping was routine. And if it was about a questionable PC affidavit I could understand, and then you shouldn't judge shop. You should either fix the PC with the judges concerns addressed (which happens) or realize you don't have enough for a warrant. But just from my personal experience of how the system works, the reasons for a judge not signing are sometimes so stupid, in the interest of justice, you find a judge who has some common sense in the matter.
I should have made notes and wrote a book on our municipal, district court judges. They were characters. At one time I could tell you of the 10 available district judges, who disliked spouse abusers, burglars, DWI's, who thought property crime was just a nuisance but hated drug offenses. Who would sign for a certain thing but set the bond low, who had been a victim of a burglary and set bonds high. Who would refuse to sign high profile cases, who asked for 10X more evidence than the law required but hammered them on bonds.. It was quite a circus. It really shouldn't be that way but once they are judges, it takes an act of god to remove them so they pretty much do what they want when they want.
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I never thought about it before this discussion, but judge shopping was routine. And if it was about a questionable PC affidavit I could understand, and then you shouldn't judge shop. You should either fix the PC with the judges concerns addressed (which happens) or realize you don't have enough for a warrant. But just from my personal experience of how the system works, the reasons for a judge not signing are sometimes so stupid, in the interest of justice, you find a judge who has some common sense in the matter.
I should have made notes and wrote a book on our municipal, district court judges. They were characters. At one time I could tell you of the 10 available district judges, who disliked spouse abusers, burglars, DWI's, who thought property crime was just a nuisance but hated drug offenses. Who would sign for a certain thing but set the bond low, who had been a victim of a burglary and set bonds high. Who would refuse to sign high profile cases, who asked for 10X more evidence than the law required but hammered them on bonds.. It was quite a circus. It really shouldn't be that way but once they are judges, it takes an act of god to remove them so they pretty much do what they want when they want.
I can understand that, although it does sort of create a circus environment. I would think folks would try and avoid it in high profile cases.
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Prosecutors Accused of Hiding Evidence in Freddie Gray Case
Aug 11, 2015
As seen on The Kelly File
There are stunning new claims from the defense attorneys representing the six police officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray.
The defense claims that detectives discovered Gray had a history of participating in "crash-for-cash" schemes - in which people hurt themselves to collect settlements - but the prosecutors steered them away from sharing that information with the defense.
Trace Gallagher reported on "The Kelly File" that the defense claims that Assistant State's Attorney Janice Bledsoe told detectives not to do the defense attorneys' jobs for them.
Gallagher explained that the defense attorneys wrote in a motion, "The statement to investigators 'not do the defense attorneys' jobs for them' would seem to indicate some level of knowledge that exculpatory evidence exists which could benefit the officers charged in Mr. Gray's death and that the prosecutor did not want this information uncovered by investigators."
Gallagher said that prosecutors claim that the defense is simply using this information to sway the jury pool and try the case in the media.
Watch the "Kelly File" clip above.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/11/prosecutors-accused-hiding-evidence-freddie-gray-case
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Prosecutors Accused of Hiding Evidence in Freddie Gray Case
Aug 11, 2015
As seen on The Kelly File
There are stunning new claims from the defense attorneys representing the six police officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray.
The defense claims that detectives discovered Gray had a history of participating in "crash-for-cash" schemes - in which people hurt themselves to collect settlements - but the prosecutors steered them away from sharing that information with the defense.
Trace Gallagher reported on "The Kelly File" that the defense claims that Assistant State's Attorney Janice Bledsoe told detectives not to do the defense attorneys' jobs for them.
Gallagher explained that the defense attorneys wrote in a motion, "The statement to investigators 'not do the defense attorneys' jobs for them' would seem to indicate some level of knowledge that exculpatory evidence exists which could benefit the officers charged in Mr. Gray's death and that the prosecutor did not want this information uncovered by investigators."
Gallagher said that prosecutors claim that the defense is simply using this information to sway the jury pool and try the case in the media.
Watch the "Kelly File" clip above.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/11/prosecutors-accused-hiding-evidence-freddie-gray-case
Sad when the TRUTH takes a back seat to winning if that is the case. Wouldn't be the first, won't be the last.
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Sad when the TRUTH takes a back seat to winning if that is the case. Wouldn't be the first, won't be the last.
They're still walking around with their stupid hands up, a year after proving it never happened.
As if truth matters to these assholes.
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Judge refuses to dismiss charges against officers in Freddie Gray case
Published September 02, 2015
Associated Press
BALTIMORE – A Baltimore judge on Wednesday refused to dismiss charges against six police officers in connection with the death of a black man from injuries he suffered while in custody. The judge also refused to remove the prosecutor in the case.
The death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray — who succumbed to injuries sustained after his arrest on April 12 — sparked rioting and unrest that shook Baltimore for days. Protests Wednesday outside the Baltimore courtroom where a pretrial hearing on the charges took place resulted in just one arrest.
Defense attorneys failed to persuade Circuit Judge Barry Williams that what they claimed was prosecutorial misconduct on the part of State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby was reason enough to drop the charges against the police officers — which range from second-degree assault to second-degree murder.
Williams ruled that while Mosby's public comments regarding initial statements made by the officers to investigators were "troubling," they were not likely to prejudice a jury.
Andrew Graham, an attorney representing Officer Caesar Goodson, unsuccessfully argued that Mosby's comments after filing charges against the officers were "reckless and unprofessional," and violated the rules of conduct. He likened Mosby's comments on the case to a "pep rally calling for payback."
Williams also ruled against another defense motion, one that sought to have Mosby removed from the case due to what the defense contended were conflicts of interest. He called the assertion that Mosby's judgment was impacted by the fact that her husband Nick Mosby is a councilman in a district that experienced a disproportionate amount of violence "troubling and condescending."
"Being married to a councilman is not a reason for recusal," he said.
Williams added that allegations of prosecutorial misconduct would have to be addressed by the state Attorney Grievance Commission.
Prosecutors also told Williams they will put into evidence redacted statements that the officers made to investigators. Both sides agreed to ask for an order sealing the statements from public view.
Officers Edward Nero, Garrett Miller, William Porter and Goodson, as well as Lt. Brian Rice and Sgt. Alicia White, face charges in Gray's death. They did not attend the hearing. All six are charged with second-degree assault, reckless endangerment and misconduct in office. Rice, Porter and White also face manslaughter charges, and Goodson faces an additional charge of second-degree murder.
After hearing arguments about whether the officers should be tried together or separately, Williams ruled that they would be tried separately. Defense attorneys had argued their clients' cases would be hurt if they were tried together.
Andrew Graham, Goodson's lawyer, argued that his client — who faces the most serious charge — would face a great risk of "spillover effect and transference of guilt."
Prosecutors wanted to try Goodson, Nero and White together. Prosecutor Jan Bledsoe argued that evidence to be introduced at trial was relevant to all three.
Separately, the judge was scheduled to hear Sept. 10 a defense motion for a change of venue.
Dozens of protesters made their way about six blocks to the Inner Harbor before the pretrial hearing began. Dozens of officers responded and cleared protesters from the streets to keep traffic moving at the end of the morning rush hour.
One person was arrested. Interim Baltimore Police Commissioner Kevin Davis told WBAL-AM that a protester "kicked a police officer in the face, and that's unacceptable."
Police spokesman T.J. Smith said charges are being filed against the man. He did not specify what the charges would be. The man was arrested for blocking the road and ignoring warnings to return to sidewalk, according to a police news release.
The man arrested was identified by witnesses as Kwame Rose, a well-known local activist.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/02/1st-court-hearing-in-freddie-gray-case-slated-to-begin-on-range-topics/?intcmp=hplnws
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No matter the cause of injury, if he asks for medical attention, you must give it to him.
They broke the law, that prt is undeniable. Lock em up.
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No matter the cause of injury, if he asks for medical attention, you must give it to him.
They broke the law, that prt is undeniable. Lock em up.
Which law specifically did they break?
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Which law specifically did they break?
they refused his ass medical attention when he asked for it.
Now, I personally believe they inflicted the injury, but not even arguing that.
Didn't they document his asking for help over and over?
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Judge orders officers charged in Freddie Gray case to be tried separately
By Kevin Rector and Justin Fenton
Hearing in Freddie Gray case plays out in large, wood-paneled courtroom in Baltimore.
A circuit judge ruled Wednesday that the case against six Baltimore police officers charged in the arrest and death of Freddie Gray will go forward in separate trials, with Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby remaining at the helm of the prosecution.
During a day of hearings in a downtown courtroom, Judge Barry Williams swiftly sliced through complex legal arguments in the first motions hearing. In three key rulings issued from the bench, he refused to dismiss the charges or recuse Mosby and decided that the case should be split to ensure that each officer gets a fair trial.
Pastor Westley West leads protesters down Guilford Avenue towards the Inner Harbor where one was arrested as the crowd blocked traffic on Pratt Street.
Pastor Westley West, Faith Empowerment Ministries, joins protestors outside the Baltimore City Courthouse East as the first hearings related to the Freddie Gray case get underway.
Williams said that trying the officers together would not be "in the interest of justice" because key evidence that's admissible with regards to one officer may be inadmissible for another. The officers are charged with a range of offenses, from murder to misconduct, as each played a different role in Gray's arrest and transport.
The case has sparked widespread protests in Baltimore — which continued Wednesday — and has become part of a national dialogue about police treatment of black citizens. Gray, 25, died in April one week after suffering a severe spinal cord injury while in police custody.
Outside the courtroom, dozens of protesters gathered in peaceful demonstrations and marches through downtown that resulted in one arrest and snarled traffic. Even at this early stage of the court proceedings, organizers said they wanted their voices heard.
"It's a step in the right direction," Malcolm Wilson said of Williams' rulings on defense motions to recuse Mosby and dismiss the case. The 23-year-old East Baltimore resident, who said he knew Gray, clutched a white cardboard sign that read, "I am here for Justice for Mr. Gray."
Police, who had been criticized for their response to previous demonstrations and rioting, repeatedly ordered protesters to "remain on the sidewalk" and quickly responded to one tense moment near the Inner Harbor in which a protester was arrested and an officer suffered minor injuries.
Interim Police Commissioner Kevin Davis said police wanted to treat "a protest like a protest," and that "by and large, that's exactly what happened." Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake praised the department, saying she and police "will vigorously defend the First Amendment rights of the protesters, but we will also vigorously enforce the order in our city."
In the courtroom, filled with legal observers and media after months of sharply written legal filings filled with accusations lobbed between the defense and prosecution, Williams sought to maintain order.
He stopped the proceedings to remind those present to turn off all electronics, warning that he would remove everyone but the attorneys. He frequently interrupted the attorneys during their arguments, to seek clarification on a key point, wryly disagree or keep the attorneys on topic.
The officers had waived their rights to attend Wednesday's hearing, and Gray's family did not attend.
While the oral arguments on the dismissal and recusal motions largely reflected those made in written filings — which often centered on Mosby's actions — the arguments over whether to try the officers separately provided new insights into defense and prosecution theories.
Officer Caesar R. Goodson Jr., the driver of the police van in which Gray was injured, is charged with second-degree depraved-heart murder. Sgt. Alicia D. White, Lt. Brian W. Rice and Officer William G. Porter are charged with manslaughter. Officers Edward M. Nero and Garrett E. Miller face lesser charges, including second-degree assault. All six have been charged with misconduct in office.
Partially redacted statements by several of the officers were submitted to the court on Wednesday, though under seal, as were police dispatch tapes.
Prosecutors previously indicated that they wanted to try Goodson, White, Nero and Miller together in one trial, and Porter and Rice together in a second trial.
However, at the hearing Wednesday, they only sought to have Goodson, White and Nero tried together. Deputy State's Attorney Janice Bledsoe argued that much of the evidence in the case was relevant to those three officers.
She said all of the evidence related to what happened to Gray from his arrest to his arrival unresponsive at the Western District police station would be needed to prove reckless endangerment on their part.
But Marc Zayon, Nero's attorney, said Gray's arrest and transport constituted two separate incidents. He said evidence brought to support the felony charges against Goodson and White, including expert witness testimony on Gray's injuries sustained in the van and evidence regarding how Goodson was driving, would be highly prejudicial if introduced in a case against Nero.
Defense attorneys also raised concerns that statements by the officers could incriminate one of the co-defendants, pitting one's right not to take the stand with another's right to confront his or her accuser.
Matthew Fraling, an attorney for Goodson, also said he was concerned about a "transfer of guilt" and a "spillover effect" in the minds of jurors trying to categorize evidence against different defendants.
In denying the state's motion to join the cases, Williams agreed that much of the evidence would not be "mutually admissible." His ruling means there will be six trials.
Arguments over dismissing the charges and recusing Mosby came after a flurry of heatedly written motions over the past four months. In court Wednesday, Williams cautioned both sides to tone down their rhetoric.
"The unnecessary name calling and over-the-top rhetoric to which this court has been required to wade in order to get to the heart of the legal issues in this case is remarkable," Williams said.
Moving forward, he said, attorneys should be mindful of crafting fact-backed arguments in a way that will "assist the court in understanding the legal issues — not to get the best media sound bites."
Many of the most contentious filings have been made over Mosby's actions, particularly when she announced charges against the six officers from the steps of the Baltimore War Memorial on May 1. "To the people of Baltimore and the demonstrators across America, I heard your call for 'no justice no peace,'" she said at the time.
Mosby spoke less than a week after protests turned into clashes with police and rioting, looting and arson across the city, resulting in more than 100 police officers being injured, more than 400 damaged businesses, and hundreds of arrests. Rawlings-Blake responded by imposing a citywide curfew, and Gov. Larry Hogan deployed the National Guard.
Andrew Graham, a defense attorney for Goodson, argued that Mosby "adopted and encouraged the public's cry of 'no justice, no peace,'" and that her statements tainted the jury pool.
"She handled this as though it was some sort of pep rally," Graham told Williams.
Catherine Flynn, a defense attorney for Miller, also argued that prosecutors in Mosby's office became witnesses in the case through their independent investigation of Gray's death, conducted apart from the police investigation.
The defense had asked the judge to dismiss the charges because of "prosecutorial misconduct."
Chief Deputy State's Attorney Michael Schatzow said Mosby's comments at the War Memorial were taken directly from a statement of charges and that Williams should consider the words she spoke and not accept the defense's "gross distortion of what she said." Schatzow said any effort to calm the unrest throughout the city served a "legitimate" law enforcement purpose.
Schatzow also argued that prosecutors had no conflicts of interest, noting prosecutors regularly perform investigative tasks.
Williams disagreed that calming the city was part of Mosby's job, and admonished Mosby for telling the media that some but not all of the officers had cooperated during the investigation. The defense argued that her comments hurt their clients' case.
"It's inappropriate, and you know it," Williams said to Schatzow.
But Williams said it was not within his authority to decide whether Mosby had broken the Maryland Lawyer's Rules of Professional Conduct, which guide attorney behavior. That was for the attorney grievance commission to decide, he said. The commission investigates and prosecutes alleged violations of the rules.
"While the day may come, or may not come, when the words of the state's attorney will be assessed, parsed, and dissected for the purpose of determining if there were violations of the rules of professional conduct, today is not that day," he said.
Williams said the voir dire process of jury selection, in which jurors are asked what they know about the case, would play an important role in assessing the impact of Mosby's statements.
Baltimore attorney J. Wyndal Gordon, who observed Wednesday's motions hearing in the Freddie Gray case, offers his thoughts on the proceedings. Gordon has represented families in the past in assault cases against the city police department. (Kevin Richardson/Baltimore Sun)
While Williams called the defense argument that Mosby suggested the officers are guilty and made herself a witness in the case by reading the statement of charges "mind-boggling," he said the argument that prosecutors had turned themselves into witnesses could have merit. Nonetheless, he said the issue did not merit the prosecutor's recusal and could be handled at a later date.
Williams said the defense claims of conflicts of interests by Mosby and other prosecutors "didn't come close" to meriting their removal from the case.
He chastised lawyers who alleged a conflict on Mosby's part because her husband, Nick Mosby, serves as a city councilman in the district where Gray was arrested. He called that allegation "troubling and condescending."
Williams left open the question of how the trials will be scheduled moving forward. Their timing will likely depend on how the judge rules on another defense motion to have the cases moved out of Baltimore, which is scheduled to be discussed at a second hearing next week.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-freddie-gray-hearing-20150902-story.html
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too bad those sworn to upload the law didn't follow it, and let this man have medical attention.
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too bad those sworn to upload the law didn't follow it, and let this man have medical attention.
Bad uploaders, man. This aggression will not stand.
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they refused his ass medical attention when he asked for it.
Now, I personally believe they inflicted the injury, but not even arguing that.
Didn't they document his asking for help over and over?
are you going to answer the question? which specific law did they violate?
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are you going to answer the question? which specific law did they violate?
I don't know the statute for murder, but I'm pretty sure my ass would be in the slammer if I decided to start gunning people down.
Police officials in Baltimore admitted that their officers should have provided medical attention immediately following the arrest of Freddie Gray.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/04/24/402046909/baltimore-police-freddie-gray-shouldve-gotten-medical-help-at-scene-of-arrest
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I don't know the statute for murder, but I'm pretty sure my ass would be in the slammer if I decided to start gunning people down.
Police officials in Baltimore admitted that their officers should have provided medical attention immediately following the arrest of Freddie Gray.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/04/24/402046909/baltimore-police-freddie-gray-shouldve-gotten-medical-help-at-scene-of-arrest
So we can agree your comment that they "broke the law" and should be in jail was emotional and not based on facts. You do really well in the political arena.. Don't know why you leave that to come here to basically piss all over yourself... but to each his own
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So we can agree your comment that they "broke the law" and should be in jail was emotional and not based on facts. You do really well in the political arena.. Don't know why you leave that to come here to basically piss all over yourself... but to each his own
is your argument really "it's okay for police to deny medical attention to prisoners" because as a florida fat kid on getbig, I cannot list the # of the BAL statute regarding denying prisoners medical access - particularly after the BAL govt has indicted them for it?
I guess I don't know where to go from here.
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is your argument really "it's okay for police to deny medical attention to prisoners" because as a florida fat kid on getbig, I cannot list the # of the BAL statute regarding denying prisoners medical access - particularly after the BAL govt has indicted them for it?
I guess I don't know where to go from here.
My point is that you can't just throw them in jail because you imagine there is a law that says they are required to call an ambulance when someone complains about pain. They most likely violated policy, but policy is not law.
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is your argument really "it's okay for police to deny medical attention to prisoners" because as a florida fat kid on getbig, I cannot list the # of the BAL statute regarding denying prisoners medical access - particularly after the BAL govt has indicted them for it?
I guess I don't know where to go from here.
No law, Rob. Prisoners whine about medical shit all the time; cop's not obligated to jump every time. It's left to their discretion.
Argue this dude required it, fine, but you can't invent some law that doesn't exist.
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No law, Rob. Prisoners whine about medical shit all the time; cop's not obligated to jump every time. It's left to their discretion.
Argue this dude required it, fine, but you can't invent some law that doesn't exist.
Prisoners are constitutionally guaranteed health care before being booked into jail.
True or false?
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-gray-jail-rejections-20150509-story.html
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After arriving at Central Booking, detainees are examined by intake nurses to determine whether they are stable enough for the four- to five-hour booking process, said Gerard Shields, spokesman for the state Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services. If someone is rejected, the responsibility falls on police to get medical care, he added.
"The police are not medical personnel and may not be aware of the severity or presence of all injuries," Shields said. "Our protocol is to assess all detainees at the door to see if they can medically withstand the booking process. We are able to treat many injuries on site so these are determined on a case by case basis. If we can treat them, we will."
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We have the same process here.... prior to booking, if there is complaint of pain or visible injury a nurse assigned to the jail will evaluate the subject to determine if they can be booked in at that time or transported to the hospital to be examined by a doctor. I haven't seen anything yet that would suggest this did not occur with Freddie Gray
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Prisoners are constitutionally guaranteed health care before being booked into jail.
True or false?
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/sun-investigates/bs-md-gray-jail-rejections-20150509-story.html
He was being transported, no? If he'd survived until booking, yes. If he was bitching every five minutes about pain on the ride, they're not obligated to stop and check him every five minutes.
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An overview in general of what happens in many cases.
People who are arrested on a regular basis or who hang in circles where members are arrested on a regular basis know that complaining of illness/injury can deter an arrest to the hospital where the officer weighs the time he will have to spend waiting for the subject to be seen with the seriousness of the violation. For example, Public Intoxication requires the officer to stay with the subject a minimum of 4 hrs before he can issue a citation at the hospital and leave. Females will claim pregnancy complications and it can be hours at a hospital to find out they were likely faking it. So after playing that game many times the empathy fades and some cops are less likely to put the same value to a transient claiming pain vs the average citizen claiming pain and requesting medical.
As I have said more than once, it's clear with 20/20 hindsight that officers dropped the ball on his request for medical attention. It costs the officers nothing to call for an ambulance, and as just an CYA, after repeated/continued requests as the reports seem to indicate, they should have had him checked out. As Chris Rock says in his routine, "I UNDERSTAND it... but I don't condone it"
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An overview in general of what happens in many cases.
People who are arrested on a regular basis or who hang in circles where members are arrested on a regular basis know that complaining of illness/injury can deter an arrest to the hospital where the officer weighs the time he will have to spend waiting for the subject to be seen with the seriousness of the violation. For example, Public Intoxication requires the officer to stay with the subject a minimum of 4 hrs before he can issue a citation at the hospital and leave. Females will claim pregnancy complications and it can be hours at a hospital to find out they were likely faking it. So after playing that game many times the empathy fades and some cops are less likely to put the same value to a transient claiming pain vs the average citizen claiming pain and requesting medical.
As I have said more than once, it's clear with 20/20 hindsight that officers dropped the ball on his request for medical attention. It costs the officers nothing to call for an ambulance, and as just an CYA, after repeated/continued requests as the reports seem to indicate, they should have had him checked out. As Chris Rock says in his routine, "I UNDERSTAND it... but I don't condone it"
Agreed, but it's very likely he/they would complain again after having been cleared by paramedics. Shit happens in jail all the time - whine, whine, whine ... cops can't play that game with every attention-whoring inmate.
Only an issue here because, well, he was hurt. And, oops, he died. Still shouldn't rewrite policy based on one incident.
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Agreed, but it's very likely he/they would complain again after having been cleared by paramedics. Shit happens in jail all the time - whine, whine, whine ... cops can't play that game with every attention-whoring inmate.
Only an issue here because, well, he was hurt. And, oops, he died. Still shouldn't rewrite policy based on one incident.
As an administrator, it's incumbent upon the department to insure reasonable care is afforded those in police custody. So I would encourage the department to review their policy and if they were within policy to ignore the repeated pleas, then they should rewrite them. For example, we have a policy where the normal complaint of pain of handcuffing a subject doesn't rise to the level that an officer should contact a supervisor to document the complaint.. however, if the complaint is continuous then it rises to that level. Most people will complain about pain of cuffs or the process of cuffing initially, but soon they move on to other things like swearing they will find, kill and eat your family dog. But sometimes a person does get hurt during the cuffing process or the cuffs are on too tight. So if someone continues to complain past the point of the initial incident, it warrants further examination to insure they are not unduly in pain.
I can see that if the policy didn't exist for that department, it soon will.
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As an administrator, it's incumbent upon the department to insure reasonable care is afforded those in police custody. So I would encourage the department to review their policy and if they were within policy to ignore the repeated pleas, then they should rewrite them. For example, we have a policy where the normal complaint of pain of handcuffing a subject doesn't rise to the level that an officer should contact a supervisor to document the complaint.. however, if the complaint is continuous then it rises to that level. Most people will complain about pain of cuffs or the process of cuffing initially, but soon they move on to other things like swearing they will find, kill and eat your family dog. But sometimes a person does get hurt during the cuffing process or the cuffs are on too tight. So if someone continues to complain past the point of the initial incident, it warrants further examination to insure they are not unduly in pain.
I can see that if the policy didn't exist for that department, it soon will.
Do you have medical on site, or do they need to get transported?
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Do you have medical on site, or do they need to get transported?
The jail has a jail nurse at the jail.
We call EMS to check on prisoners prior to transport often. If there is visible injury, or they hit their head, or lost consciousness, or chronic complaint of severe pain.. EMS will come check them out before we take them to jail. Even if EMS clears them.. the Jail nurse... who seems to not want to accept anyone will examine them.. 9 times out of 10 she won't want the liability and will have the officers take them to E.R. to have a Doc clear them for jail.
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The jail has a jail nurse at the jail.
We call EMS to check on prisoners prior to transport often. If there is visible injury, or they hit their head, or lost consciousness, or chronic complaint of severe pain.. EMS will come check them out before we take them to jail. Even if EMS clears them.. the Jail nurse... who seems to not want to accept anyone will examine them.. 9 times out of 10 she won't want the liability and will have the officers take them to E.R. to have a Doc clear them for jail.
Ok.
Say, why is it so damn difficult to give a guy a little blankie in that freezing holding cell?
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Ok.
Say, why is it so damn difficult to give a guy a little blankie is in that freezing holding cell?
no idea, our department contracts out to the Sheriffs Dept for jail operations.
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Freddie Gray's family settles with city for $6.4M
Associated Press
By JULIET LINDERMAN
BALTIMORE (AP) — The parents of Freddie Gray reached a tentative $6.4 million settlement with the city of Baltimore, nearly five months after their 25-year-old son was critically injured in police custody, sparking days of protests and rioting.
The deal, announced Tuesday, appeared to be among the largest settlements in police death cases in recent years and happened just days before a judge is set to decide whether to move a trial for six officers charged in Gray's death.
Gray's spine was injured April 12 in the back of a prisoner transport van after he was arrested. Gray, a 25-year-old black man, died at the hospital a week later. In the aftermath, Gray became a symbol of the contentious relationship between the police and the public in Baltimore, as well as the treatment of black men by police in America.
The settlement still needs the approval of a board that oversees city spending. That board will meet Wednesday morning.
"The proposed settlement agreement going before the Board of Estimates should not be interpreted as a judgment on the guilt or innocence of the officers facing trial," Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said in a news release. "This settlement is being proposed solely because it is in the best interest of the city, and avoids costly and protracted litigation that would only make it more difficult for our city to heal and potentially cost taxpayers many millions more in damages."
Rawlings-Blake refused to comment further on Tuesday at an unrelated news conference.
The settlement does not resolve any factual disputes, and expressly does not constitute an admission of liability on the part of the city, its police department or any of the officers. The settlement has nothing whatsoever to do with the criminal proceedings, the press release said.
In July, New York City settled for $5.9 million with the family of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man who died after being put in a white police officer's chokehold. The city of Chicago settled in 2001 a wrongful death lawsuit by the family of LaTanya Haggerty, who was shot to death by police, for $18 million.
The proposed payment in the Gray case is more than the $5.7 million the city of Baltimore paid in total for 102 court judgments and settlements for alleged police misconduct between 2011 and last fall, according to an investigation by The Baltimore Sun. The city paid another $5.8 million for legal fees to outside lawyers who represented officers, the newspaper reported.
Detective Donny Moses, a Baltimore Police Department spokesman, said the agency's public affairs staff was under direct orders Tuesday not to comment. Billy Murphy, an attorney for the Gray family, also declined comment.
The head of the city's police union condemned the agreement and urged the Board of Estimates to reject it.
"To suggest that there is any reason to settle prior to the adjudication of the pending criminal cases is obscene and without regard to the fiduciary responsibility owed to the taxpaying citizens of the city," Lt. Gene Ryan said in a statement.
All six officers, including Edward Nero and Garrett Miller, are charged with second-degree assault, misconduct in office and reckless endangerment. Lt. Brian Rice, Sgt. Alicia White and Officer William Porter also face a manslaughter charge, while Officer Caesar Goodson faces the most serious charge of all: second-degree "depraved-heart" murder.
Three of the officers are black and three are white. Their attorneys have asked the judge in the case to move their trials out of the city. The hearing is set for Thursday.
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Associated Press writer David Dishneau in Hagerstown, Maryland, contributed to this report.
http://news.yahoo.com/freddie-grays-family-settles-city-6-4m-145735914.html
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Trial for six officers charged in Freddie Gray's death to stay in Baltimore
Published September 10, 2015
FoxNews.com
A judge has ruled the trials of six Baltimore police officers charged in connection with the death of Freddie Gray, a 25-year-old black man, will be kept in Baltimore, WBFF reports.
Attorneys for the officers had argued they would be unable to get a fair trial in the city due to media coverage of the case and the city’s $6.4 million settlement with Gray’s family.
According to WBFF, protesters cheered outside the courthouse, "The trial stays here.” At least one protester was arrested.
Chief Deputy State's Attorney Michael Schatzow has called the argument Baltimore residents can’t be impartial “insulting,” and told Judge Barry Williams on Thursday that the only circumstances under which a change of venue is appropriate is in "a small community where you have an armed lynch mob at the door,” the AP reports.
One officer, Caesar Goodson Jr., is accused of second-degree depraved heart murder. The charges against the other officers include misconduct, manslaughter and assault.
Gray died after suffering a spinal injury in custody. His death triggered protests and rioting on the day of his funeral and comes amid national outcry against police brutality and racial profiling.
The trial has been set for October. The officers have pleaded not guilty.
Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/10/trial-for-six-officers-charged-in-freddie-gray-death-to-stay-in-baltimore/?intcmp=hpbt3
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Baltimore Judge: All Statements by Officers in Freddie Gray Trial Admissible
Oct 13, 2015 // 9:50pm
As seen on The Kelly File
The statements made to investigators by two of the six Baltimore police officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray can be used as evidence in their criminal trials, a judge ruled Tuesday.
Baltimore Circuit Judge Barry Williams rejected motions by Sgt. Alicia White and Officer William Porter to suppress statements they made before being charged. The judge said he concluded the officers spoke voluntarily to investigators, and were appropriately advised of their rights.
Lawyers for three of the other officers - Lt. Brian Rice and officers Garrett Miller and Edward Nero - withdrew their motions to keep their clients’ statements from being admitted as evidence in their trials.
Officer Caesar Goodson, the transport van driver who was charged with second-degree murder in Gray’s death, didn’t give police investigators a statement.
Get legal insight from Mark Eiglarsh and Arthur Aidala from "The Kelly File" above.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/10/13/baltimore-judge-all-statements-officers-freddie-gray-trial-admissible
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Freddie Gray case: Hung jury in trial of Baltimore Officer William Porter
By Aaron Cooper, Catherine E. Shoichet and Jason Hanna, CNN
Wed December 16, 2015 | Video Source: CNN
Baltimore (CNN)They're on opposite sides of a controversial case that's sparked protests and left a city on edge.
But Baltimore police Officer William Porter and a lawyer representing Freddie Gray's family seemed to agree on at least one thing after jurors said they were deadlocked and a judge declared a mistrial in the case against Porter Wednesday.
"It's not over yet," Porter told The Baltimore Sun in a brief phone conversation Wednesday evening, according to the newspaper.
Bill Murphy, an attorney for Gray's family, gave a similar assessment to reporters.
"This hung jury does not mean it's the end of Officer Porter's case," he said.
But what happens next is anyone's guess.
Porter was one of six officers charged in connection with the death of Gray, a 25-year-old who died after sustaining a neck injury while in police custody. Prosecutors will decide whether to retry the case.
Freddie Gray case: The charges against six Baltimore officers
Legal analysts described the mistrial as a major setback for the prosecution that could affect the cases of the other five officers.
The judge told the prosecution and defense attorneys to appear in administrative court Thursday morning to set a new trial date.
Gray's family: 'We are calm; you should be calm, too'
A defense attorney declined to comment, saying he was subject to a court gag order.
Gray's family thanked jurors for their service and asked the public to remain calm.
Reading from a statement, Richard Shipley, Gray's stepfather, told CNN he is hopeful Porter will be retried.
"We thank this hard-working jury for their service to the public, their quest for justice, their personal sacrifice of their time and effort. We are not at all upset with them, neither should the public be upset. They did the best that they could," he said.
"We are hopeful that (Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn) Mosby will retry Officer Porter as soon as possible, and that his next jury will reach a verdict. Once again, we ask the public to remain calm and patient, because we are confident there will be another trial with a different jury. We are calm; you should be calm, too."
The police union said Porter and his attorneys will continue to press for his acquittal.
"When Officer Porter began this journey through the judicial process, we asked that everyone allow him his day in court as is promised to all citizens. Today, seven months later, Officer Porter is no closer to a resolution than he was at that time," Baltimore Fraternal Order of Police Lodge #3 President Gene Ryan said in a written statement. "Our legal system, however, allows for outcomes of this nature, and we must respect the decision of the jury, despite the fact that it is obviously frustrating to everyone involved."
'A game changer'
Mosby was in court when the mistrial was declared and looked visibly upset. Prosecutors, who'd planned to use testimony from Porter in their cases against the other officers, appeared exasperated.
"They didn't offer him immunity. So now, they are in a situation where they have this charged defendant hanging out there, and they can't force him to testify against these other officers," CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin said. "And so, I think that this is, in many respects, a game changer for this prosecution."
Tensions flare following Freddie Gray mistrial
Tensions flare following Freddie Gray mistrial 00:53
Prosecutors are in "serious trouble," CNN senior legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said.
"A hung jury is a defeat for the prosecution, especially when they needed Porter to make some of these other cases," Toobin said. "Now, it's not impossible that at least some of these other cases can go to trial without Porter, but his testimony was going to be important."
Bill Murphy, an attorney for the Gray family, stressed that the hung jury doesn't mean Porter's case is over.
"I don't buy the nonsense that this is somehow a victory for either side. It's not," he told reporters. "It's just a bump on the road to justice, and you know, the road to justice has lot of bumps."
But prosecutors now have major strategic decisions to make, Toobin said, like whether to keep prosecuting Porter or offer him immunity.
They haven't spoken to reporters since court adjourned Wednesday.
Mayor calls for calm
Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake issued a statement calling for calm after the mistrial was declared.
"As a unified city, we must respect the outcome of the judicial process. In the coming days, if some choose to demonstrate peacefully to express their opinion, that is their constitutional right. I urge everyone to remember that collectively, our reaction needs to be one of respect for our neighborhoods, and for the residents and businesses of our city," she said.
"In the case of any disturbance in the city, we are prepared to respond. We will protect our neighborhoods, our businesses and the people of our city."
Riots erupted in Baltimore in April after Gray's funeral.
"We will not -- and cannot -- be defined by the unrest of last spring," Rawlings-Blake told reporters Wednesday. "As a community, as a city, we are stronger, and we are united to be better than what some displayed to the world last spring."
Baltimore Police Commissioner Kevin Davis said officers will respect protests, provided they don't turn violent.
"Protesters who are lawfully assembled have a friend in the Baltimore Police Department. ... Folks who choose to commit crimes and hurt people and break things and harm people are no longer protesters," he said. "You lose your ability to call yourself a protester when you choose to harm people and destroy property."
Tessa Hill-Aston, president of the Baltimore chapter of the NAACP, said she expected the group of protesters outside the courthouse and elsewhere in the city would grow.
"It's very sad," she told CNN, "because I think that everybody was very happy that police got indicted, and not to get a conviction is painful. We wanted victory in the sense that officers can't get away with killing someone."
As the possibility of a verdict loomed this week, the city of Baltimore said it activated its emergency operations center Monday "out of an abundance of caution."
Baltimore police canceled leave for officers who had days off from Monday through Friday. Officers will be scheduled to work 12-hour shifts instead of the usual 10 hours.
Involuntary manslaughter among charges officer faces
Gray's injury happened as he was being transported following an April 12 arrest. Prosecutors say Porter, one of three black officers charged in the case, was summoned by the van's driver to check on Gray during stops on the way to a police station.
Prosecutors say he should have called a medic for Gray sooner than one was eventually called and also should have ensured that Gray was wearing a seat belt.
Porter was charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, reckless endangerment and misconduct in office.
Jurors said Wednesday that they couldn't reach a unanimous decision on any of the charges against Porter.
For convictions on some or all of the first three charges, he would face no more than 10 years in prison combined. There is no statutory maximum sentence for the fourth charge, misconduct.
All six officers have been suspended. Porter remains suspended without pay, Davis said Wednesday.
Asked for his response to a mistrial being declared, Davis said it was "part of the process."
"I think we all have to respect the process," he said. "The process is ongoing. It's not the last time we'll talk about it. And I think we just have to be consistent, measured and thoughtful as we go forward."
Prosecution: It only takes a click and a call
During Monday's closing arguments, prosecutor Janice Bledsoe argued that any officer in Porter's situation would have called for medical assistance once Gray complained.
"'I need a medic.' How long does that take?" the prosecutor asked. "How long does it take to click a seat belt and ask for a medic? Is two, three, maybe four seconds worth a life? That's all it would have taken."
Prosecutors also argued that Porter could have prevented the injury by ensuring Gray was wearing a seat belt while he was in the van.
But during his four-hour testimony last week, Porter said that of the roughly 150 prisoners he has placed in police wagons since joining the Baltimore Police Department in 2010, none was secured with a seat belt -- partly out of concern for officers' safety while in the wagon's tight quarters.
Prisoners were never secured with seat belts during field training, and though cadets were instructed to secure prisoners with seat belts, they were not shown how, Porter said.
Controversial police encounters fast facts
During his closing arguments, defense attorney William Murtha said the prosecution's case was full of holes, and that the law requires them to reach a verdict based on the "standard of a reasonable police officer."
Baltimore police officers break silence on riots, murder spike and Freddie Gray
"There is an absolute absence of evidence that officer Porter acted in an unreasonable manner," he said.
Testimony in the trial began December 2.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/16/us/baltimore-police-trial-freddie-gray/
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Maryland's Court of Appeals delays officer's trial in Freddie Gray case
Published February 18, 2016
Associated Press
BALTIMORE – Maryland's highest court has agreed to take up a key issue in the trials for the Baltimore officers charged in the death of Freddie Gray, postponing trial proceedings until it can make a ruling.
The state's Court of Appeals ruled Thursday that it would take up the issue of whether one of the officers, William Porter, whose October trial ended in a mistrial, could be forced to testify against the other officers even though he is awaiting retrial. The issue had previously been pending in the Court of Special Appeals.
The order stalls the trial for Officer Edward Nero, whose trial was scheduled to begin with jury selection Monday.
Nero's attorney, Marc Zayon, could not comment because of a gag order in the case.
The court will hear oral arguments March 3.
Thursday's ruling will streamline the process for resolving the issue of compelling Porter's testimony, which had prompted opposing motions in the Court of Special Appeals.
Baltimore Circuit Judge Barry Williams initially ruled that Porter must testify against two other officers, Sgt. Alicia White and Caesar Goodson. All three are facing assault, reckless endangerment, misconduct in office and manslaughter charges. Porter's attorney appealed the order, and the Court of Special Appeals stalled the trials for Goodson and White until its judges could issue a ruling.
In the meantime, Williams denied a motion from prosecutors to compel Porter's testimony against the three remaining officers, Lt. Brian Rice and Officers Edward Nero and Garrett Miller, on the grounds that prosecutors never indicated their intent to call Porter to the stand in those trials, and accused the state of simply attempting to stall proceedings. Prosecutors appealed the denial to the Court of Special Appeals.
Freddie Gray died April 19, a week after his neck was broken while he was handcuffed and shackled, but unrestrained by a seat belt, in the back of a police transport van. The officers were indicted in connection with his death on May 1, after more than a week of peaceful protests that at times gave way to unrest, arson and looting.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/18/marylands-court-appeals-delays-officers-trial-in-freddie-gray-case.html?intcmp=hplnws
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Freddie Gray Arresting Officer Edward Nero Found Not Guilty On All Charges
May 23, 2016
BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Freddie Gray arresting officer Edward Nero was found not guilty on all counts by Baltimore City Circuit Court Judge Barry Williams Monday morning.
Nero faced second-degree assault, reckless endangerment and two counts of misconduct in office.
Nero waived his right to a trial by jury. His bench trial began May 12 and final arguments were heard Thursday.
WJZ’s Ron Matz says the trial was attended by a group of Baltimore City police officers, most in plain clothes. After the verdict was read, they came up to Nero one by one, embracing him and patting him on the back. Nero was seen with tears in his eyes.
Gray, a 25-year-old black man from the Sandtown area of Baltimore, died on April 19, 2015 of a spinal cord injury he sustained while in police custody.
His death set off more than a week of protests followed by looting, rioting and arson that prompted a citywide curfew.
According to WJZ’s Mike Schuh, who was outside the courthouse, there was a huge “roar of disapproval” that came from the protesters outside.
One of the people leading the charge is Rev. Wesley West.
“I’m angry because this is what we deal with, and when I say ‘we,’ we’re talking about the black community and I’m a part of and represent that community as well, it seems like we have no voice when it comes to these issues,” he said. “When it comes to conversations like this, we’re not involved. This should have been a jury trial where the community had a voice in this case. Of course a system works in a system’s favor, that’s how I look at it. That judge represents the system, and the police officer represents a system, but they’re all one system working together. And again I don’t think case was actually tried fairly when it comes down the community being involved.”
Gray family attorney Billy Murphy also spoke with WJZ outside the courtroom.
“I have to commend Judge Williams on not being influenced by public opinion,” Murphy said. “It’s a very, very difficult job to sit as a judge under these enormously stressful conditions, and once again Barry Williams has shown he is a fair and impartial man… He showed tremendous courage in ruling against public opinion.”
“I don’t think anybody should be upset with this verdict nor do I think anybody should have been elated about a guilty verdict,” he added. “Only the people who sat through this trial and heard all of the evidence have a right to have an opinion about whether his opinion was fair and whether or not it was warranted under the circumstances. So we should all understand that we all have opinions, but unless they’re based on the facts and all of the facts, those opinions are essentially irrelevant to this process.”
Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake shared a similar sentiment in a statement she released shortly after the verdict was handed down.
“Today Judge Barry G. Williams found Officer Edward Nero not guilty of all criminal charges. This is our American system of justice and police officers must be afforded the same justice system as every other citizen in this city, state, and country. Now that the criminal case has come to an end, Officer Nero will face an administrative review by the Police Department. We once again ask the citizens to be patient and to allow the entire process to come to a conclusion. In the case of any disturbance in the city, we are prepared to respond. We will protect our neighborhoods, our businesses and the people of our city.”
Nero is one of six officers who was charged in relation to Gray’s death, and the second to be tried. Officer William Porter’s trial ended in a hung jury and mistrial in December.
“I think to convict a police officer it requires very strong evidence,” University of Maryland Law Professor Doug Colbert told WJZ outside the courthouse Monday. “Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is protection for every accused person, but there have been so few successful prosecutions of police officers … so it’s going to take a lot of evidence that an officer should be held criminally responsible.”
Baltimore City Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 3 also responded to the verdict shortly after it was announced.
Four other officers — Officer Garrett Miller, Lt. Brian Rice, Sgt. Alicia White and Officer Caesar Goodson Jr. — have not yet been tried.
Goodson’s trial, which was already delayed once, is set to begin June 6. He was the driver of the van that transported Gray from the spot where he was arrested to the police station. When the van arrived at the Western District police station, Gray was already critically injured and unresponsive.
Goodson faces charges of second-degree depraved heart murder, manslaughter, second-degree assault, two counts of vehicular manslaughter and misconduct in office.
“Officer Goodson’s case, factually, is a very different case than this one and so Officer Goodson’s attorneys are going to be weighing heavily the question whether they want to go forward with a jury trial or whether they want to go forward with a bench trial,” said Adam Ruther, an attorney with Rosenberg Martin Greenberg LLP.
“This will certainly factor into their decision making as they have had a little bit of a glimpse at the way Judge Williams is looking at the case, but it certainly will not answer the question for them and that question is solely the defendant’s. The lawyers cannot make that decision for the defendant, they can only advise and help the defendant make that decision for himself.”
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/05/23/freddie-gray-arresting-officer-edward-nero-found-not-guilty-on-all-charges/
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I thought it was extremely amusing that Nero's defense basically boiled down to: "Officer Nero, a poor cop on a tough beat, shouldn't be held responsible for failing to secure Mr. Gray per department policy because he didn't read the e-mail that stated that prisoners being transported should be secured with seatbelts!" I was sure the jury would see through such a thin ploy. More evidence that impaneled jurors aren't the brightest bulbs.
All that said, the prosecution did a horrible job.
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I thought it was extremely amusing that Nero's defense basically boiled down to: "Officer Nero, a poor cop on a tough beat, shouldn't be held responsible for failing to secure Mr. Gray per department policy because he didn't read the e-mail that stated that prisoners being transported should be secured with seatbelts!" I was sure the jury would see through such a thin ploy. More evidence that impaneled jurors aren't the brightest bulbs.
All that said, the prosecution did a horrible job.
LOL @ "I didn't know I had to put people in seat belts".
You had ONE JOB, idiot.
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LOL @ "I didn't know I had to put people in seat belts".
You had ONE JOB, idiot.
A man's dead. Funny to you, that's your take-away here?
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A man's dead. Funny to you, that's your take-away here?
I'm mocking the idiotic defense by the officer "I didn't know I was supposed to use seatbelts, I must not have read the memo"
They arrested him for zero reason, they did that brake test thing, they denied him medical attention - they deserve prison.
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I'm mocking the idiotic defense by the officer "I didn't know I was supposed to use seatbelts, I must not have read the memo"
They arrested him for zero reason, they did that brake test thing, they denied him medical attention - they deserve prison.
Why are you mocking the victim, badgelicker?
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So we can agree your comment that they "broke the law" and should be in jail was emotional and not based on facts. You do used to do really well in the political arena.. Don't know why you leave that to come here to basically piss all over yourself... but to each his own
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I thought it was extremely amusing that Nero's defense basically boiled down to: "Officer Nero, a poor cop on a tough beat, shouldn't be held responsible for failing to secure Mr. Gray per department policy because he didn't read the e-mail that stated that prisoners being transported should be secured with seatbelts!" I was sure the jury would see through such a thin ploy. More evidence that impaneled jurors aren't the brightest bulbs.
All that said, the prosecution did a horrible job.
Freddie Gray Arresting Officer Edward Nero Found Not Guilty On All Charges
May 23, 2016
BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Freddie Gray arresting officer Edward Nero was found not guilty on all counts by Baltimore City Circuit Court Judge Barry Williams Monday morning.
Nero faced second-degree assault, reckless endangerment and two counts of misconduct in office.
Nero waived his right to a trial by jury. His bench trial began May 12 and final arguments were heard Thursday.
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details.. details..
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details.. details..
Pesky little things.
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always getting in the way of our preconceived notions...
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always getting in the way of our preconceived notions...
Truth.
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I missed the Judge part. New culpa.
It doesn't invalidate the broader point: the defense basically was: "the Officer didn't do his job according to regulations and claims to not have even known the regulations or the basic fact that people being transported in vehicles should be buckled in according to state law. A man died, but let's not hold this incompetent officer responsible. I'm sure he'll know things next time he has to transport prisoners."
Let's recap: the officer's defense was "I don't know how to do my job so you can't blame me for this!"
What wil it take before a cop is found guilty?
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I missed the Judge part. New culpa.
It doesn't invalidate the broader point: the defense basically was: "the Officer didn't do his job according to regulations and claims to not have even known the regulations or the basic fact that people being transported in vehicles should be buckled in according to state law. A man died, but let's not hold this incompetent officer responsible. I'm sure he'll know things next time he has to transport prisoners."
Let's recap: the officer's defense was "I don't know how to do my job so you can't blame me for this!"
What wil it take before a cop is found guilty?
Was that really his defense? Don't you need to look at what is required to prove second-degree assault, reckless endangerment, and misconduct in office and then see if the evidence supported those charges?
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Dershowitz: 'BLM Is Endangering the Fairness of Our Legal System'
May 24, 2016 // 10:30pm
As seen on The Kelly File
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Alan Dershowitz says that the prosecutor in the Freddie Gray case acted irresponsibly and was politically motivated.
Dershowitz said that Baltimore's state's attorney Marilyn Mosby overcharged the six police officers linked to the case.
"These are officers who may have made a mistake, but they are not guilty of criminal conduct," Dershowitz said.
He said he understands Mosby tried to "stop the mob" but said that the criminal justice system must not be used to solve racial problems.
"She's a symptom of a larger problem. Black Lives Matter is endangering the fairness of our legal system because they're rooting for outcomes based on race."
He said the problem started in 1995 with the O.J. Simpson case (in which he served as part of Simpson's defense team), when many African-Americans wanted an acquittal.
Watch the full interview above.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/24/dershowitz-black-lives-matter-endangering-fairness-our-legal-system
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Was that really his defense? Don't you need to look at what is required to prove second-degree assault, reckless endangerment, and misconduct in office and then see if the evidence supported those charges?
Yes - that was it. His defense boiled down to "Your honor, there was no mens rhea here - Officer Nero was simply doing his job - transporting Mr. Gray. Unfortunately, he didn't know that it's department policy and common sense to use seatbelts to secure those being transported but that's the department's fault. And, although the use of seatbelts is common sense, unfortunately Officer Nero is a bit of a dummy." And that's what the Judge's ruling basically hinged on: he ruled that prosecutors failure to prove that Nero had received proper training and was aware of the policies on the transportation of detainees in police wagons.
Now, I agree that the burden of proof here is on the prosecution - and they botched this case horribly. But the defense arguments - and to a certain extent the Judge's reasoning - stretch the credibility of our Justice system. Here you have someone who gets gravely injured while in custody and in the back of a transport vehicle, and dies as a result of those injuries, and the officer in whose custody all this happened says "well, nobody told me how to do my job, so if someone died while I was doing my job wrong ain't my fault" and then walks away.
A badge has, for all intents and purposes, become a proxy for a "not guilty" verdict in the extremely unlikely event that a cop is actually indicted.
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Yes - that was it. His defense boiled down to "Your honor, there was no mens rhea here - Officer Nero was simply doing his job - transporting Mr. Gray. Unfortunately, he didn't know that it's department policy and common sense to use seatbelts to secure those being transported but that's the department's fault. And, although the use of seatbelts is common sense, unfortunately Officer Nero is a bit of a dummy." And that's what the Judge's ruling basically hinged on: he ruled that prosecutors failure to prove that Nero had received proper training and was aware of the policies on the transportation of detainees in police wagons.
Now, I agree that the burden of proof here is on the prosecution - and they botched this case horribly. But the defense arguments - and to a certain extent the Judge's reasoning - stretch the credibility of our Justice system. Here you have someone who gets gravely injured while in custody and in the back of a transport vehicle, and dies as a result of those injuries, and the officer in whose custody all this happened says "well, nobody told me how to do my job, so if someone died while I was doing my job wrong ain't my fault" and then walks away.
A badge has, for all intents and purposes, become a proxy for a "not guilty" verdict in the extremely unlikely event that a cop is actually indicted.
Doesn't sound like you actually followed the case? Did you?
Here are a couple links that explain what the charges were and why the officer was acquitted, including a transcript of the judge's ruling.
Why Officer Edward Nero was acquitted in the Freddie Gray case
By Emanuella Grinberg, CNN
May 24, 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/23/us/edward-nero-verdict-judge-ruling/
Full transcript: Judge Williams' ruling acquitting Officer Nero in Freddie Gray case
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-williams-nero-transcript-20160523-story.html
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Doesn't sound like you actually followed the case? Did you?
Here are a couple links that explain what the charges were and why the officer was acquitted, including a transcript of the judge's ruling.
Why Officer Edward Nero was acquitted in the Freddie Gray case
By Emanuella Grinberg, CNN
May 24, 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/23/us/edward-nero-verdict-judge-ruling/
Full transcript: Judge Williams' ruling acquitting Officer Nero in Freddie Gray case
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-williams-nero-transcript-20160523-story.html
If by "followed the case" you mean a blow-by-blow, then no. I did however carefully read the verdict - although, admittedly, not Emanuella Grinberg's CNN piece.
Nero was facing multiple charges. Some were more of a stretch than others and I'm unconcerned with them. For me the most interesting charge was whether Nero was responsible for failing to secure Gray with seat dogs per department policy (and common sense). That is the specific issue and charge that I commented on.
I paraphrased Nero's actual defense on this charge: he didn't know it was department policy that prisoners had to be secure and that he didn't know that use of use of seat belts is a common sense precaution one takes when traveling in a vehicle. I left out the part that he claimed that some other officer should have strapped Gray in, but how does that matter? Was he not the person in whose custody Gray was during the drive and did he not owe it Gray (and himself) to deliver Nero safely to the jail? Are the police not responsible for those in their custody?
All that aside, let us look at what the Judge actually wrote - a quote which appears on the CNN piece you quote as well: "The Court is not satisfied that the State has shown that the defendant had a duty to seat belt Mr. Gray and, if there was a duty, that the defendant was aware of the duty."
On the charge in question, the Court basically adopted the position of Nero's counsel (which I paraphrased accurately). The Court, as a trier of both fact and law in this case, is perfectly within its rights to find this. It doesn't mean that the decision is right or that I have to agree with it.
I'm a dispassionate observer - the outcome of this case doesn't really affect me in any direct way and there are only de minimis indirect effects. My position is that:
a) Nero should be aware of the policies of his department that govern his conduct on the job and determine what he is and isn't responsible for;
b) Nero owes a duty to those in his custody;
c) Nero lacked the common sense to secure a prisoner in his custody in the vehicle that Nero would be driving, or to ensure that another officer had done so.
Now, you may thing that I'm wrong. You're entitled to your opinion as much as I am entitled to me. Ultimately neither of our opinions matters in this case.
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The prosecutor should be fired, disbarred, and stripped of her pension and benefits. Mobley or whatever the F her name is has to be one of the most ignorant, incompetent, and grossly inept DA's I have ever seen in my lifetime.
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The prosecutor should be fired, disbarred, and stripped of her pension and benefits. Mobley or whatever the F her name is has to be one of the most ignorant, incompetent, and grossly inept DA's I have ever seen in my lifetime.
The prosecution mishandled this case horribly, no argument there.
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Good points, avxo.
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"Black Lives Matter is endangering the fairness of our legal system because they're rooting for outcomes based on race." -Alan Dershowitz
This is a quote that every american citizen should read and consider.
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"Black Lives Matter is endangering the fairness of our legal system because they're rooting for outcomes based on race." -Alan Dershowitz
Precisely what social justice means. Free pass.
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If by "followed the case" you mean a blow-by-blow, then no. I did however carefully read the verdict - although, admittedly, not Emanuella Grinberg's CNN piece.
Nero was facing multiple charges. Some were more of a stretch than others and I'm unconcerned with them. For me the most interesting charge was whether Nero was responsible for failing to secure Gray with seat dogs per department policy (and common sense). That is the specific issue and charge that I commented on.
I paraphrased Nero's actual defense on this charge: he didn't know it was department policy that prisoners had to be secure and that he didn't know that use of use of seat belts is a common sense precaution one takes when traveling in a vehicle. I left out the part that he claimed that some other officer should have strapped Gray in, but how does that matter? Was he not the person in whose custody Gray was during the drive and did he not owe it Gray (and himself) to deliver Nero safely to the jail? Are the police not responsible for those in their custody?
All that aside, let us look at what the Judge actually wrote - a quote which appears on the CNN piece you quote as well: "The Court is not satisfied that the State has shown that the defendant had a duty to seat belt Mr. Gray and, if there was a duty, that the defendant was aware of the duty."
On the charge in question, the Court basically adopted the position of Nero's counsel (which I paraphrased accurately). The Court, as a trier of both fact and law in this case, is perfectly within its rights to find this. It doesn't mean that the decision is right or that I have to agree with it.
I'm a dispassionate observer - the outcome of this case doesn't really affect me in any direct way and there are only de minimis indirect effects. My position is that:
a) Nero should be aware of the policies of his department that govern his conduct on the job and determine what he is and isn't responsible for;
b) Nero owes a duty to those in his custody;
c) Nero lacked the common sense to secure a prisoner in his custody in the vehicle that Nero would be driving, or to ensure that another officer had done so.
Now, you may thing that I'm wrong. You're entitled to your opinion as much as I am entitled to me. Ultimately neither of our opinions matters in this case.
You're obviously entitled to your opinion as is everyone else.
I read the judge's opinion and it makes sense to me.
Also, not every mistake is a crime. And from a common sense standpoint, I think Freddie Gray is responsible for his own death. Sounds to me like the combination of his drug use, criminality, and throwing himself against the van are the reasons he's dead.
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I'm not seeing evidence of murder here.
Freddie Gray case: Trial of Baltimore officer Caesar Goodson Jr. continues
By Kevin Rector and Justin Fenton - Contact Reporters
The Baltimore Sun
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-goodson-trial-day4-20160614-story.html
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Freddie Gray Van Driver Found Not Guilty On All Charges
June 23, 2016
BALTIMORE (WJZ) — Officer Caesar Goodson, who was driving the police van inside which Freddie Gray incurred his fatal neck injury last April, has been found not guilty of second-degree “depraved heart” murder by Baltimore City Circuit Court Judge Barry Williams.
Goodson, 46, has also been found not guilty on charges of manslaughter, assault, misconduct in office and reckless endangerment.
Goodson waived his right to a trial by jury. His bench trial began June 9 and final arguments were heard Monday.
Gray, a 25-year-old black man from the Sandtown area of Baltimore, died of his injury on April 19, 2015. A week earlier, Baltimore City police officers put him in the back of Goodson’s van, handcuffed and shackled, but unrestrained by a seat belt.
His death set off more than a week of protests followed by looting, rioting and arson that prompted a citywide curfew.
After the verdict was read, protesters began chanting “Murderer!” over and over again outside the courthouse.
WHAT HAPPENED IN THE COURTROOM?
Inside court, with high security present, “People were quiet … There were a few people shaking their heads, some people who were emotionless,” WJZ’s Mike Hellgren reports.
“The judge said that the evidence simply was not there, that there was no way that Officer Goodson would have known that Freddie Gray was injured until that final stop at the Western district, and that’s when a medic was called. He chided the state for using the term ‘rough ride,’ he said that it’s a highly-charged term, they failed to define it.”
Hellgren says “the prosecution’s theory of the case did not fit the facts that they had presented to the judge and he was clearly troubled by this.”
“I find it hard to believe that he would convict any of the officers in any of the four remaining trials to come,” Hellgren says.
WJZ’s Ron Matz reports that Officer Edward Nero, who was found not guilty of all his charges by the same judge last month, was in the front row and was one of the first people to embrace Officer Goodson after the verdict was read, along with Goodson’s family and other officers.
Matz said Judge Williams spent a lot of time focusing on the state’s “rough ride” theory. He called that the centerpiece of the state’s case and also called that an inflammatory term that’s not to be taken lightly.
COMMUNITY REACTION
Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake sent a statement out shortly after the verdict came down.
She urged city residents to “continue to respect the judicial process and the ruling of the court.”
Baltimore’s Democratic Mayoral candidate Catherine Pugh’s office made a similar plea.
“Protests are a vital part of democracy, but to destroy the homes and businesses many people have worked very hard to build is unacceptable,” the statement reads. “Although people may disagree with the verdict, it is important to respect each other and to respect our neighborhoods and our communities.”
Tessa Hill-Aston, president of the Baltimore City Branch of the NAACP, says she’s unhappy with the verdict.
“Everybody in Baltimore that lives in certain neighborhoods know exactly the definition of what a rough ride is…. A lot of them don’t die. But in this case, Freddie Gray is dead, and no one will pay for it,” she says.
NAACP president Cornell Brooks also weighed in.
“There is a long tradition, an ugly tradition of rough rides,” he said. “There’s a long tradition of a very troubled police department, and so the fact of the matter is this is a tragedy not found to be a crime by a judge, but it is a wake-up call to the city of Baltimore: With the new mayor, that police department has got to be upended.”
One local resident told WJZ’s Marcus Washington that he was really disappointed but not surprised, because the charges “required too much more evidence than they had.”
However, “something good came out of this,” he said. “And that’s the fact that it’s not going to be business as usual as far as the police department is concerned.”
Another resident told WJZ the charges were “a ploy” and that the system is rigged.
“Have you ever seen one of these officers on camera look nervous? No, because they already know what the outcome is.”
LEGAL EXPERTS WEIGH IN
“Depraved heart murder is an unusual thing, it’s a kind of murder that a lot of people haven’t heard of,” attorney Adam Ruther of Rosenberg Martin Greenberg, LLP tells WJZ.
“To sum it up, it’s murder without the intent to kill. Normally in order to prove second-degree murder you have to prove the intentional killing of one human being by another. If you don’t have the intent but you have acts that raised to the level of extreme disregard for human life, things like firing a gun into a crowd of people, even though you didn’t intend to kill one specific person, doing that is so reckless it’s so irresponsible that the law says we’re going to hold you accountable as if if you had the specific intent to kill an individual. And so that’s what the state was trying to use in this case. And it’s an unusual application of the law, so it’s not entirely surprising that Judge Williams didn’t agree with the state’s theory of the case of extreme disregard for human life under these circumstances.”
RELATED: Timeline: Freddie Gray’s Arrest to His Fatal Spinal Cord Injury
“This was a tragic event and I think the uncertainty about what really happened is what has given rise to these officers being charged,” Warren Brown, a well-known Baltimore defense attorney, tells WJZ. “These cases are being vetted in the court by a very experienced judge … and so everybody is getting their day in court for there to be some scrutiny. The state has [tremendous] resources applied to this, they’ve had time to delve into this and discover what may or may not have happened, and as the judge indicated in his opinion, they came up woefully short in presenting the evidence. What they offered is that this is a tragedy and therefore someone should be held responsible, but that’s just not the way it works.”
“I don’t think [the verdict] was a huge shock,” University of Baltimore Law Professor David Jaros said. “At the end of the day it’s important for people to recognize this was not a question in the legal sense about whether or not Officer Goodson was unreasonable. The critical question ultimately came down to what was he aware of, did he know the danger that he was placing Mr. Gray in. It is no way an endorsement of Officer Goodson’s actions that he was acquitted today. It doesn’t mean an egregious thing wasn’t done. It doesn’t mean the policies weren’t broken, it doesn’t mean frankly that massive reforms don’t mean to be made. But it just means it was not a crime.”
“Across the country, officers have generally chosen judge trials and there has been criticism for that in concern that judges are sympathetic to the police. I don’t think anybody can say that’s what happened here. If you look at Judge Williams’ history and the way he handled himself in this case, I think frankly he followed the law and followed it closely and this was not an incident where sort of insiders managed the case and took it out of the community’s hand inappropriately,” Jaros added.
WHAT’S NEXT?
Goodson is one of six officers charged in relation to Gray’s death, and the third to be tried. Officer William Porter’s trial ended in a hung jury and mistrial in December, and Officer Edward Nero was found not guilty on all charges in May.
Porter will be retried in September.
Three other officers — Officer Garrett Miller, Lt. Brian Rice and Sgt. Alicia White — have not yet been tried.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/06/23/officer-charged-with-murder-in-freddie-gray-case-learns-his-fate-today/
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This Robin Givens-looking DA kunt needs to resign.
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The mayor too.
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Highest-ranking officer charged in Freddie Gray case acquitted on all counts
Published July 18, 2016
FoxNews.com
A judge in Baltimore Monday acquitted the highest-ranking officer charged in the death of Freddie Gray, marking the fourth trial that prosecutors failed to win.
Lt. Brian Rice faced charges of involuntary manslaughter, reckless endangerment and misconduct in office. He opted for a bench trial by Baltimore Circuit Court Judge Barry Williams.
The judge previously dismissed a second-degree assault charge, and prosecutors dropped a second misconduct charge against the 42-year-old officer, who is white.
Gray died a week after suffering a spinal injury in a police van last year, touching off protests and rioting.
Rice's failure to seatbelt Gray, Williams said, may have been an error in judgment and a violation of updated policy -- but the judge found prosecutors failed to prove it rose to a criminal level.
"The state failed to show that the defendant, even if he was aware of the risk, consciously disregarded that risk," the judge said.
Three earlier trials resulted in two acquittals and a mistrial.
Officers Caesar Goodson and Edward Nero -- both of whom were found not guilty in bench trials -- were also present at the courthouse.
Gray was arrested after he ran from police officers in a high-crime area of the city. He was handcuffed and later shackled in the back of the police van, but officers never buckled him in.
Prosecutors had said Rice was most responsible of the six officers charged for following police procedures to fasten a prisoner in a seat belt, citing his 18 years of experience on the force.
The officer's attorney said police could use discretion, if they believe their safety is at risk. Rice attorney Michael Belsky said officers had concerns because Gray was not cooperative and they weren't sure what onlookers would do if extra time was taken to fasten Gray in the van.
Prosecutors and defense attorneys gave different characterizations of the onlookers. Prosecutors described them as concerned observers, while Belsky said officers heard threatening comments during the arrest.
Three of the charged officers are black, and three are white. Race has not been cited as a direct factor in Gray's death, but his arrest and deadly injury added momentum to the Black Lives Matter movement.
Gray's family received a $6.4 million settlement from the city.
Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby vowed to bring justice to an aggrieved citizenry when she announced the charges last year. But she has yet to find success in court, and is being sued for defamation by five of the officers.
Fox News' Varuna Bhatia and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/18/highest-ranking-officer-charged-in-freddie-gray-case-acquitted-on-all-counts.html
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/freddie-gray/bs-md-ci-rice-verdict-20160718-story.html
Place the dumbest among us in the highest positions of power like Mobley - and this is what happens.
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Oh, dear.......Another officer is found not guilty of contributing to Freddy Gray's death. I wonder why the city paid almost 7 million dollars to the family if nobody in their employ is responsible. What a generous city......
I'm sure that everyone will accept the court's fair and just decision, and that no further attacks against authority will occur. I know my fingers are crossed.
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Oh, dear.......Another officer is found not guilty of contributing to Freddy Gray's death. I wonder why the city paid almost 7 million dollars to the family if nobody in their employ is responsible. What a generous city......
I'm sure that everyone will accept the court's fair and just decision, and that no further attacks against authority will occur. I know my fingers are crossed.
The prosecutor still has a chance to prove what really happened:
We all know what happened, police beat his ass, broke something, had an "oh shit!' moment and voila, the pressure hit and one of them blabbed on the other - rightfully so!
Maybe the judge just doesn't get it? lol
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Well you don't say? Zero convictions. All remaining charges dropped. Another fake race scandal put to bed.
All charges dropped in Freddie Gray case; no convictions
Published July 27, 2016
FoxNews.com
Prosecutors dropped the remaining charges Wednesday against three Baltimore police officers awaiting trial in the death of Freddie Gray, ending the case without any convictions.
Gray was a 25-year-old black man whose neck was broken while he was handcuffed and shackled but left unrestrained in the back of a police van in April 2015. His death added fuel to the growing Black Lives Matter movement, set off massive protests in the city and led to the worst riots the city had seen in decades.
The day started with a pretrial hearing for Officer Garrett Miller -- who had faced assault, misconduct in office and reckless endangerment charges. But instead of pretrial motions, Chief Deputy State's Attorney Michael Schatzow told the judge that prosecutors were dropping the charges against Miller and the rest of the officers.
The decision by prosecutors comes after a judge had already acquitted three of the six officers charged in the case, including the van driver who the state considered the most responsible and another officer who was the highest-ranking of the group. A mistrial was declared for a fourth officer when a jury deadlocked.
The case led the police department to overhaul its use of force policy, and all officers will soon be equipped with body-worn cameras. The U.S. Justice Department has also launched an investigation into allegations of widespread abuse and unlawful arrests by the department, and the officers have sued State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby, saying she intentionally filed false charges against them.
Gray's family received a $6.4 million settlement from the city.
A defiant Mosby held a news conference shortly after the announcement, saying there was "a reluctance" and "an obvious bias" among some officers investigating the case.
"We do not believe Freddie Gray killed himself," she said, standing in the neighborhood where Gray was arrested, a mural of him on a wall over her shoulder. "We stand by the medical examiner's determination that Freddie Gray's death was a homicide."
She walked up to the podium as people chanted "we're with you" and her remarks were punctuated by shouts of support.
Gray's mother, Gloria Darden, stood by Mosby, saying police "lied, I know they lied, and they killed him."
Attorneys for the officers planned a news conference later Wednesday.
Prosecutors had said Gray was illegally arrested after he ran away from a bike patrol officer and the officers failed to buckle Gray into a seat belt or call a medic when he indicated he wanted to go to a hospital.
Mosby wasted little time in announcing charges after Gray's death -- one day after receiving the police department's investigation while a tense city was still under curfew -- and she did not shy from the spotlight. She posed for magazine photos, sat for TV interviews and even appeared onstage at a Prince concert in Gray's honor.
The city's troubles forced Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, who has taken a prominent role on the podium at the Democratic National Convention, to fire her reform-minded police chief and abandon her re-election campaign.
Many feared that the acquittals could prompt more protests and unrest, but that never panned out and the streets appeared mostly calm Wednesday.
Three of the officers who were charged are white and three are black. The victim, judge, top prosecutor and mayor are African-American. At the time of Gray's death, so was the police chief.
No reputations hinged on the case's outcome as much as Mosby and her husband, Nick Mosby, a councilman for Baltimore's west side who announced his mayoral candidacy shortly after Rawlings-Blake pulled out.
Marilyn Mosby spoke so forcefully when she announced the charges against the officers that defense attorneys argued she should recuse herself for bias. She did not let up Wednesday.
"We've all bore witness to an inherent bias that is a direct result of when police police themselves," she said.
Fox News' Guerin Hays and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/27/all-charges-dropped-in-freddie-gray-case-no-convictions.html
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I watched the dueling press conferences by the prosecutor and reps for the police officers. Or more accurately, the public statement by the prosecutor and press conference by the officer reps. Absolutely appalling performance by this Marilyn Mosby. She yelled and shrieked the entire time. Sounded like a biased activist. Was difficult to watch. She should not be the city's top prosecutor.
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Law Prof. John Banzhaf: Marilyn Mosby May Be Disbarred, Sued Just Like Nifong
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by DAN RIEHL
28 Jul 2016
Washington, DC
Public Interest Law Professor John Banzhaf of George Washington University Law School discussed Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby, who recently dropped charges against all officers allegedly involved in Freddie Gray’s death, with Breitbart News Daily SiriusXM host Stephen K. Bannon Thursday. Banzhaf also cited former North Carolina attorney Mike Nifong, who was disbarred and sued after the infamous Duke lacrosse case, as an example of what Mosby may yet be in for, given her conduct during the case.
“Eventually, she’s going to suffer the same kind of fate as Nifong,” said Banzhaf. “She is going to be disbarred, and she’s already being sued. These suits are being strengthened by the fact that she continued to bring [charges], even though she had no case. If not disbarred, at least a very significant sanction,” he added.
Banzhaf stated:
She had a case which, at the very beginning, she couldn’t reasonably believe. Yet there are now three decisions by the judge throwing out each and every one of her legal theories, saying with regard to most of the key facts she has to prove. It wasn’t that there was little evidence. He said, “No evidence. No evidence. No evidence.” Yet she continued to do it. And it was only the pressure of, I think, the threat of disbarment–two complaints against her; one is mine, and the mounting lawsuits which finally forced her to say, “Okay, I’m not going to keep digging this hole any better. I’m going to get out, and I’m now going to claim that I won because all of these victories have occurred.”
He said, “What do you do when you have a runaway prosecutor? You can’t rely upon the press and public pressure. Obviously, it didn’t work in Baltimore.” He went on to say:
She probably has increased her political stature as a result of what she’s done. … So unless prosecutors face either ethical sanctions and/or lawsuits for doing this, we’re going to continue to have runaway prosecutors, prosecutors who bring cases for political reasons, prosecutors who refuse to turn over what we call exculpatory evidence, which is a constitutional violation that happens all too often. And unless there’s some kind of check and balance, you’re going to continue to see it.
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/07/28/law-prof-john-banzhaf-marilyn-mosby-may-be-disbarred-sued-just-like-nifong/
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Great another chick on welfare. ;)
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Law Prof. John Banzhaf: Marilyn Mosby May Be Disbarred, Sued Just Like Nifong
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by DAN RIEHL
28 Jul 2016
Washington, DC
Public Interest Law Professor John Banzhaf of George Washington University Law School discussed Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby, who recently dropped charges against all officers allegedly involved in Freddie Gray’s death, with Breitbart News Daily SiriusXM host Stephen K. Bannon Thursday. Banzhaf also cited former North Carolina attorney Mike Nifong, who was disbarred and sued after the infamous Duke lacrosse case, as an example of what Mosby may yet be in for, given her conduct during the case.
“Eventually, she’s going to suffer the same kind of fate as Nifong,” said Banzhaf. “She is going to be disbarred, and she’s already being sued. These suits are being strengthened by the fact that she continued to bring [charges], even though she had no case. If not disbarred, at least a very significant sanction,” he added.
Banzhaf stated:
She had a case which, at the very beginning, she couldn’t reasonably believe. Yet there are now three decisions by the judge throwing out each and every one of her legal theories, saying with regard to most of the key facts she has to prove. It wasn’t that there was little evidence. He said, “No evidence. No evidence. No evidence.” Yet she continued to do it. And it was only the pressure of, I think, the threat of disbarment–two complaints against her; one is mine, and the mounting lawsuits which finally forced her to say, “Okay, I’m not going to keep digging this hole any better. I’m going to get out, and I’m now going to claim that I won because all of these victories have occurred.”
He said, “What do you do when you have a runaway prosecutor? You can’t rely upon the press and public pressure. Obviously, it didn’t work in Baltimore.” He went on to say:
She probably has increased her political stature as a result of what she’s done. … So unless prosecutors face either ethical sanctions and/or lawsuits for doing this, we’re going to continue to have runaway prosecutors, prosecutors who bring cases for political reasons, prosecutors who refuse to turn over what we call exculpatory evidence, which is a constitutional violation that happens all too often. And unless there’s some kind of check and balance, you’re going to continue to see it.
http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/07/28/law-prof-john-banzhaf-marilyn-mosby-may-be-disbarred-sued-just-like-nifong/
I would prefer to see her behind bars after attempting to destroy all those lives.
Disbarment and law suit should be the absolute minimum.
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I would prefer to see her behind bars after attempting to destroy all those lives.
Disbarment and law suit should be the absolute minimum.
No argument from me. People in her position have too much power over people's lives to allow this kind of abuse of the system.
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No argument from me. People in her position have too much power over people's lives to allow this kind of abuse of the system.
She is Obama at the DA poisition in Baltimore
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Good.
Most of the Officers Charged by Marilyn Mosby Are Now Suing Her
Cortney O'Brien Cortney O'Brien
Posted: Jul 29, 2016
Baltimore State Attorney General Marilyn Mosby's attempt to lock up the officers involved in the death of Freddie Gray has come up short. In a turn of events, she is now the one facing charges.
Last year, after an independent investigation by her office, Mosby announced she was seeking charges against Officers William Porter, Edward Nero, Garrett Miller, Caesar Goodson, Lt. Brian Rice, and Sgt. Alicia White for the death of Freddie Gray, a young black man who died in their custody in a police transport van.
Following the acquittals of Nero, Goodson and Rice and the mistrial of Porter, Mosby announced last week she was dropping the remaining charges. Yet, she made it clear that justice was not served. In a press conference, she sounded more like a protester than a state attorney as she shouted that Gray was a victim of police brutality.
After all is said and done, the five of the six officers Mosby sought punishment for are returning the favor by filing a lawsuit against her, alleging she is guilty of defamation, false arrest, false imprisonment and more.
The complaint filed by Porter and White stated that Mosby "made statements for purposes of quelling the riots rather than prosecuting police officers who had committed a crime," and that Mosby "exceeded her authority" and "brought charges against police officers that were wholly unsupported by evidence and probable cause."
The officers, attorney Michael Glass claimed, were "humiliated" by Mosby. As such, she now has to play the role of defendant.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/07/29/most-of-the-officers-charged-by-marilyn-mosby-are-now-suing-her-n2199938
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Unruled, it seems.
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Law professor goes after Maryland prosecutor for Freddie Gray case
By Perry Chiaramonte
Published August 01, 2016
FoxNews.com
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Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby could face the same fallout from the Freddie Gray case as prosecutor Michael Nifong did after the Duke lacrosse case in 2006. (L- Reuters, R- AP)
A law professor with a history of taking prosecutors to task has set his sights on the Baltimore state’s attorney, who failed in her bid to put six cops in prison in connection with the racially-charged death of Freddie Gray.
George Washington University law professor John Banzhaf has filed complaints against Marilyn Mosby with the Attorney Grievance Commission of Maryland. He alleges Mosby and two deputies committed ethics violations, used “fraudulent or misleading tactics," withheld evidence from the defense and brought charges without probable cause against the Baltimore police officers involved in the April 12, 2015 arrest of Gray, who died of injuries suffered inside a police van.
“My concern is that this will encourage other prosecutors from other large cities to do the same,” Banzhaf told FoxNews.com. “The line she [Mosby] is giving her supporters is that the case was a success and that she has been victimized in just bringing them up on charges. “I think her supporters, which she depends on to be re-elected, support what she did.”
Mosby announced last week all charges against the police officers would be dropped. The bombshell announcement came after three were found not guilty and another’s case declared a mistrial.
In the complaint, Banzhaf alleges that Mosby violated state rules of professional conduct for attorneys. He also alleged that Mosby violated rules of conduct with public statements about the case.
George Washington University law professor John Banzhaf has filed complaints against Baltimore City's State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and two deputy state attorneys involved in the well-publicized Freddie Gray case. Banzhaf cites ethics violations, "fraudulent or misleading tactics," not providing evidence to the defense, and "charg[ing] the officers without probable cause" as the reasons for the complaints.
In addition to being a law professor, Banzhaf is an activist and watchdog when it comes to the actions of those who work in the court of law and public service. During his career, he has filed complaints against Geraldine Ferraro, Barney Frank and former Maryland Gov. Spiro Agnew, who went on to be Richard Nixon’s vice president.
He also threatened to file a complaint against former North Carolina prosecutor Mike Nifong, who was disbarred after his conduct in handling the 2006 Duke lacrosse case, in which three members of the school’s men’s lacrosse team were falsely accused of rape. The charges were eventually dropped by Nifong just days after Banzhaf publicly said that he was considering bring forth a lawsuit against the prosecutor for violating the civil rights of the students. The case sparked a national discussion on due process and led to Nifong’s resignation and subsequent disbarment.
Banzhaf says that he sees similarities between Nifong’s conduct and Mosby’s, and that her career may see the same fate.
“Both of them violated rights of the defendants by not providing exculpatory evidence [to the defense],” he said. “Second, both continued cases long after it was determined who may win.”
The law professor says that in some respects, Mosby’s handling of the Freddie Gray trial may have been the more egregious.
“When Nifong first brought forth the case it was solid, and as time went on, it was not,” he said. “With Mosby, the moment she filed the case, it was known that it couldn’t be brought forward.”
Now that a complaint has been filed, an investigation into the claims will be launched by the state and charges could go forward in 90 days unless it’s determined that the allegations are frivolous. The fallout from the dropped charges in the Freddie Gray case has already sent shockwaves through the State’s Attorney’s office.
Veteran prosecutor Lisa Phelps, who was assigned to try two of the cases against the police officers and had objected to their continued prosecution, resigned from her post on Monday according to the Baltimore Sun.
"Her refusal to continue with a doomed-to-failure criminal case was apparently the straw that forced Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby to finally drop all of the remaining Freddie Gray cop cases," said Banzhaf, "and her reluctance to continue may have been caused by my threat to seek her disbarment if she did."
Mosby did not immediately return calls for comment.
Banzhaf said the State Attorney’s motivations may have been greater than just pursuing justice.
“When Nifong filed his case, it was widely suspected that he brought it forth for political purposes,” he said. “In Mosby’s case she virtually said so.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/08/01/law-professor-goes-after-maryland-prosecutor-for-freddie-gray-case.html
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Law professor goes after Maryland prosecutor for Freddie Gray case
By Perry Chiaramonte
Published August 01, 2016
FoxNews.com
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Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby could face the same fallout from the Freddie Gray case as prosecutor Michael Nifong did after the Duke lacrosse case in 2006. (L- Reuters, R- AP)
A law professor with a history of taking prosecutors to task has set his sights on the Baltimore state’s attorney, who failed in her bid to put six cops in prison in connection with the racially-charged death of Freddie Gray.
George Washington University law professor John Banzhaf has filed complaints against Marilyn Mosby with the Attorney Grievance Commission of Maryland. He alleges Mosby and two deputies committed ethics violations, used “fraudulent or misleading tactics," withheld evidence from the defense and brought charges without probable cause against the Baltimore police officers involved in the April 12, 2015 arrest of Gray, who died of injuries suffered inside a police van.
“My concern is that this will encourage other prosecutors from other large cities to do the same,” Banzhaf told FoxNews.com. “The line she [Mosby] is giving her supporters is that the case was a success and that she has been victimized in just bringing them up on charges. “I think her supporters, which she depends on to be re-elected, support what she did.”
Mosby announced last week all charges against the police officers would be dropped. The bombshell announcement came after three were found not guilty and another’s case declared a mistrial.
In the complaint, Banzhaf alleges that Mosby violated state rules of professional conduct for attorneys. He also alleged that Mosby violated rules of conduct with public statements about the case.
George Washington University law professor John Banzhaf has filed complaints against Baltimore City's State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and two deputy state attorneys involved in the well-publicized Freddie Gray case. Banzhaf cites ethics violations, "fraudulent or misleading tactics," not providing evidence to the defense, and "charg[ing] the officers without probable cause" as the reasons for the complaints.
In addition to being a law professor, Banzhaf is an activist and watchdog when it comes to the actions of those who work in the court of law and public service. During his career, he has filed complaints against Geraldine Ferraro, Barney Frank and former Maryland Gov. Spiro Agnew, who went on to be Richard Nixon’s vice president.
He also threatened to file a complaint against former North Carolina prosecutor Mike Nifong, who was disbarred after his conduct in handling the 2006 Duke lacrosse case, in which three members of the school’s men’s lacrosse team were falsely accused of rape. The charges were eventually dropped by Nifong just days after Banzhaf publicly said that he was considering bring forth a lawsuit against the prosecutor for violating the civil rights of the students. The case sparked a national discussion on due process and led to Nifong’s resignation and subsequent disbarment.
Banzhaf says that he sees similarities between Nifong’s conduct and Mosby’s, and that her career may see the same fate.
“Both of them violated rights of the defendants by not providing exculpatory evidence [to the defense],” he said. “Second, both continued cases long after it was determined who may win.”
The law professor says that in some respects, Mosby’s handling of the Freddie Gray trial may have been the more egregious.
“When Nifong first brought forth the case it was solid, and as time went on, it was not,” he said. “With Mosby, the moment she filed the case, it was known that it couldn’t be brought forward.”
Now that a complaint has been filed, an investigation into the claims will be launched by the state and charges could go forward in 90 days unless it’s determined that the allegations are frivolous. The fallout from the dropped charges in the Freddie Gray case has already sent shockwaves through the State’s Attorney’s office.
Veteran prosecutor Lisa Phelps, who was assigned to try two of the cases against the police officers and had objected to their continued prosecution, resigned from her post on Monday according to the Baltimore Sun.
"Her refusal to continue with a doomed-to-failure criminal case was apparently the straw that forced Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby to finally drop all of the remaining Freddie Gray cop cases," said Banzhaf, "and her reluctance to continue may have been caused by my threat to seek her disbarment if she did."
Mosby did not immediately return calls for comment.
Banzhaf said the State Attorney’s motivations may have been greater than just pursuing justice.
“When Nifong filed his case, it was widely suspected that he brought it forth for political purposes,” he said. “In Mosby’s case she virtually said so.”
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Cool, hope they prosecute this corrupt bitch.
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Cool, hope they prosecute this corrupt bitch.
Me too.
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Lawyers for Freddie Gray’s Family Accept DOJ Decision to Not Charge Cops
by JON SCHUPPE
Lawyers representing Freddie Gray's family said Wednesday that they have accepted the Justice Department's decision not to charge any officers involved in his fatal ride in a Baltimore police van, but dangled a provocative new accusation: that members of the force "sabotaged" local prosecutors' murder investigation.
The lawyers, William H. Murphy and his son, Hassan Murphy, said they were skeptical when they first heard Tuesday that the Justice Department had concluded it could not prove the officers violated Gray's civil rights.
But the family lawyers said they met with DOJ lawyers and left understanding the case's shortcomings: the government's limited jurisdiction over deaths in police custody, and the relatively high burden of proof required to convict officers in such cases.
"We were surprised given what we know about the case," Hassan Murphy told reporters. "But after hearing what we heard, we are satisfied that this particular group of attorneys at the Department of Justice did what they were supposed to do in conducting this investigation."
Related: Justice Dept. Won’t Charge Six Officers in Freddie Gray Death
He called the decision "a bitter pill for all of us to swallow," and said Gray's weary family ─ who received a $6.4 million settlement from the city in 2015 ─ "will have a chance now to really heal and be with themselves."
But the elder lawyer said that the case may still produce new revelations about Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby's unsuccessful attempt to convict the six officers on charges of murder or manslaughter.
"In the future, hopefully before this next election, you will see the extent to which various members of the police department of Baltimore city deliberately obstructed this investigation," William H. "Billy' Murphy said. "Because of my unique role, I have been legally made privy to documents I believe, once they are able to be released to the public, will show without question that in several significant ways her investigation was sabotaged."
The police department declined to comment.
Gray, 25, died of spinal cord injuries on April 19, 2015, five days after his arrest following a foot chase with police that resulted in a summons for possession of a switchblade knife. He was put in a police van shackled but not restrained by a seat belt, and suffered his fatal injuries sometime during the ride.
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Gray's death set off public unrest, including rioting and looting that in turn triggered two investigations by the Justice Department: one civil, one criminal. The civil probe found a pattern of unconstitutional stops, searches and arrests of black residents, and the use of unnecessary force against them. The city agreed to make sweeping changes to its police department in order to avoid a federal lawsuit.
The criminal probe focused on six members of the department: Officers Caesar R. Goodson Jr., Garrett E. Miller, Edward M. Nero and William G. Porter; Lt. Brian W. Rice and Sgt. Alicia D. White.
All six escaped murder or manslaughter charges in state courts last year. Three were acquitted at trial and another case ended in a mistrial before Baltimore States Attorney Marilyn Mosby dropped all remaining charges.
Tuesday's decision by the Justice Department effectively ended all criminal cases against the officers. But several of them still face disciplinary charges that could end their careers.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/freddie-gray-s-family-lawyers-accept-doj-decision-not-charge-n801116