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well theoretically if there is no God.... why would anyone need to ever have morals, perform acts of kindness, help others, or have any incentive to be "good"
just live your life as an evil bastard, rob, steal, rape, murder and take whatever you want how you want when you want...
as if there is no God you then have nothing to worry about
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well theoretically if there is no God.... why would anyone need to ever have morals, perform acts of kindness, help others, or have any incentive to be "good"
just live your life as an evil bastard, rob, steal, rape, murder and take whatever you want how you want when you want...
as if there is no God you then have nothing to worry about
People are created in the image on God and as such are imbued with his qualities regardless of whether or not they believe in him.
The image of God is often associated with our physical traits, but in actuality it's aligned with our spiritual qualities....our souls....the essence of who we are when flesh and bone are gone.
Whether theist or atheist, we can exhibit qualities of grace, mercy, love, justice, compassion, anger, jealousy, etc....just like God.
Simple difference between atheist and theist is that their morality is subjectively based via a majority of folks (or a sampling or folks) while theism is objectively based in God. Theism appeals to a higher standard while atheism appeals to a consensus of its adherents for it's conclusions. Yet atheists never acknowledge that the goodness that can be exhibited among their ranks sources not from them. The lasting hell they'll experience in eternity will come when God extracts from those individuals (and the existence they will remain in) all the qualities of himself. They will remain in a Godless state void of his image in any form or fashion.
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well theoretically if there is no God.... why would anyone need to ever have morals, perform acts of kindness, help others, or have any incentive to be "good"
just live your life as an evil bastard, rob, steal, rape, murder and take whatever you want how you want when you want...
as if there is no God you then have nothing to worry about
you mean after you are dead? you won't have worries, it will feel just like the time before you were born remember?
we help others because they are likely to reciprocate, also logic, If I was in a tough spot and someone could help I am sure I would want them to. If the only thing keeping you from raping and murdering people is fear of god, you are a just a terrible person.
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Monkeys are evil and other monkeys shun them, are they doing this for fear of god? what about crows? who single out crows who break social order etc? are the good crows worried about god?
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Monkeys are evil and other monkeys shun them, are they doing this for fear of god? what about crows? who single out crows who break social order etc? are the good crows worried about god?
God created some animals with "soulish" qualities of life…..in Hebrew they are referred to as “nephesh” or more specifically "nephesh chayyah". They can exhibit some moral qualities of humanity.
Man was given dominion over the earth and that includes animal life, but man can also foster emotional bonds with animals and animals can exhibit emotional connections both with man (who is imbued with the qualities of his creator) and within the animal's community. In that same sense animals - the "nephesh chayyah" - although not created equally with man, sources from the same creator and shares "soulish" qualities of the creator in that they can exercise some moral distinctions within their own communities of nephesh.
Despite that I wouldn’t design a system of morality for humanity based upon the code of monkeys or birds. I would appeal to a higher standard.
Still the nephesh chayyah although capable of exhibiting moral characteristics are not capable of violating God's law. They are not born with a proclivity to sin like man is. They were created to glorify their creator and to serve mankind in varying capacities.
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God created some animals with "soulish" qualities of life…..in Hebrew they are referred to as “nephesh” or more specifically "nephesh chayyah". They can exhibit some moral qualities of humanity.
Man was given dominion over the earth and that includes animal life, but man can also foster emotional bonds with animals and animals can exhibit emotional connections both with man (who is imbued with the qualities of his creator) and within the animal's community. In that same sense animals - the "nephesh chayyah" - although not created equally with man, sources from the same creator and shares "soulish" qualities of the creator in that they can exercise some moral distinctions within their own communities of nephesh.
Despite that I wouldn’t design a system of morality for humanity based upon the code of monkeys or birds. I would appeal to a higher standard.
Still the nephesh chayyah although capable of exhibiting moral characteristics are not capable of violating God's law. They are not born with a proclivity to sin like man is. They were created to glorify their creator and to serve mankind in varying capacities.
Yes what they are describing is what we now know, the brain dictates these behaviours, we can see increasing size and connections across the animal kingdom of various brain regions. Humans and primates, humans in particular have a more developed pre frontal cortex, the executive function aspect of our brains. Which explanation is better? Mine can predict based on the brain the behaviours, habits etc of any animal, it explains the differences between species, what pathology would look like etc...
Animals should not serve mankind, we are animals, we look like monkey's how can anyone not clearly see a resemblance?
I like my explanation better, your's add's a whole other level of complexity not needed to explain animal behaviour. You are adding a hypercomplex, non verifiable creator to explain something that has a better explanation. It's like asking "why do things fall down" , why because god pulls them down, well actually it's something called gravity.
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Yes what they are describing is what we now know, the brain dictates these behaviours, we can see increasing size and connections across the animal kingdom of various brain regions. Humans and primates, humans in particular have a more developed pre frontal cortex, the executive function aspect of our brains. Which explanation is better? Mine can predict based on the brain the behaviours, habits etc of any animal, it explains the differences between species, what pathology would look like etc...
Animals should not serve mankind, we are animals, we look like monkey's how can anyone not clearly see a resemblance?
I like my explanation better, your's add's a whole other level of complexity not needed to explain animal behaviour. You are adding a hypercomplex, non verifiable creator to explain something that has a better explanation. It's like asking "why do things fall down" , why because god pulls them down, well actually it's something called gravity.
You like your explanation better? No way....never would've guessed that!! :)
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You like your explanation better? No way....never would've guessed that!! :)
which is more accurate based on reality?
Your argument is basically, we are special creatures, when we open up the head though there is nothing special about us, looks like a monkey brain.
Rat brains even resemble humans, why add in complexity with a special power or spiritual non-sense? Animals are moral in so far as their reasoning allows.
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which is more accurate based on reality?
Your argument is basically, we are special creatures, when we open up the head though there is nothing special about us, looks like a monkey brain.
Rat brains even resemble humans, why add in complexity with a special power or spiritual non-sense? Animals are moral in so far as their reasoning allows.
Our worldviews differ and our perception of reality is based upon our experience and education.
There are aspects of our existence that scientific disciplines simply cannot glean from their methodology.
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Our worldviews differ and our perception of reality is based upon our experience and education.
There are aspects of our existence that scientific disciplines simply cannot glean from their methodology.
No but there is only one true reality, objective reality. Objectively anyone looking at our hypothesis would see which one is testable and which one not. Because it's not testable, ie supernatural, it cannot be pursued. The natural explanation explains things just fine, it tells us why things are the way they are etc.
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No but there is only one true reality, objective reality. Objectively anyone looking at our hypothesis would see which one is testable and which one not. Because it's not testable, ie supernatural, it cannot be pursued. The natural explanation explains things just fine, it tells us why things are the way they are etc.
Would you like to know the reality of God in your life?
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Would you like to know the reality of God in your life?
Not the god of the bible, he is like a insane father. Imagine after you grew up your father could punish you forever for something you did, insane.
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Not the god of the bible, he is like a insane father. Imagine after you grew up your father could punish you forever for something you did, insane.
Problem is your analogy is inconsistent.
You violate my personal rules and little will happen to you.
You violate a police officer's rules and you may spend time in jail.
You violate the President's rules you may spend your life in prison.
You violate a dictator's rules you may lose your life.
You violate the rules of the infinite, righteous, sovereign creator and you will receive justice worthy of that offense.
What's worse is you defy him willfully and knowingly and still spit in his on top of it.
You need to repent and seek forgiveness. His mercy and grace are abundant and his desire for you to come to him is greater than you'll ever know. Don't forsake him anymore. Don't make more excuses. Within yourself you already know his truth and that truth doesn't align with your words.
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theres no such thing as eternal damnation.
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well theoretically if there is no God.... why would anyone need to ever have morals, perform acts of kindness, help others, or have any incentive to be "good"
just live your life as an evil bastard, rob, steal, rape, murder and take whatever you want how you want when you want...
as if there is no God you then have nothing to worry about
YOu serious? I'm nice and polite because I'm not an asshole, no need to have some carrot waved in front of me promising to go to heaven to be nice. Most religious people do and just for that, if there were a hell, they should go there for needing REASON to be nice...
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It depends on what one means by 'evil'. Plenty of construals of the word are consistent with atheism, others not. This seems to me a terminological rather than substantive issue.