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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Parker on July 21, 2015, 06:42:14 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168758/Sandra-Bland-s-independent-autopsy-completed-family-reveal-dash-cam-footage-details.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3168758/Sandra-Bland-s-independent-autopsy-completed-family-reveal-dash-cam-footage-details.html)
The police stop filmed by a citizen
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Footage from when she was in jail, the place where she died
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/footage-texas-prison-sandra-bland-died-article-1.2298567 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/footage-texas-prison-sandra-bland-died-article-1.2298567)
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Another one bites the dust ;D
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Another one bites the dust ;D
That sucks. She was great in Speed.
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Racist thread will be deleted in 3...2...
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Racist thread will be deleted in 3...2...
Another nut job, Racist Black agitator.
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Doubt it will be anything more than a suicide. She got arrested, realized that she traveled across the country for a job she might lose, and made a bad decision. You'd be crazy as a c.o. to try and murder someone on one of those tiers, you've got the cameras, other c.o.'s of all colors around. You've also got to strangle her, plus rig up a crime scene, etc....
At worst, someone might get in trouble for not watching the plastic bag, if they figure out how she got it.
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Racist thread will be deleted in 3...2...
Actually, I wanted to put this out there. The person died in jail. Fresh eyes. What do any of you think?
There are issues and problems. If the posters of Getbig cannot have a serious convo about this like they can about when it's legal to have to sex with someone, it truly shows that Getbiggers have regressed to the point where they are part of the problem and not the solution.
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Actually, I wanted to put this out there. The person died in jail. Fresh eyes. What do any of you think?
There are issues and problems. If the posters of Getbig cannot have a serious convo about this like they can about when it's legal to have to sex with someone, it truly shows that Getbiggers have regressed to the point where they are part of the problem and not the solution.
Sorry buddy, race baiting thread. Will be deleted and you will be banned in 3..2...1...
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Parker, you should see how many people die in hospitals. Its crazy.
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Saw this over the weekend. She posted on her Facebook about suffering from depression. I believe she killed herself, the only form of foul play that may be involved is how she got the bag in there.
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Saw this over the weekend. She posted on her Facebook about suffering from depression. I believe she killed herself, the only form of foul play that may be involved is how she got the bag in there.
It was a trash bag , why they allowed inmates to have them in cells is mind boggling.
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Jesus Christ, she hung herself in a jail cell and somehow its not her fault? ???
These people are getting ridiculous at this point.
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It was a trash bag , why they allowed inmates to have them in cells is mind boggling.
many times the inmates are not checked thoroughly. I don't know if that was the case or not. Some may still have drugs, and women sometimes have had phones and other things in their body cavities.
Saw this over the weekend. She posted on her Facebook about suffering from depression. I believe she killed herself, the only form of foul play that may be involved is how she got the bag in there.
Her friend and mentor said that she wasn't diagnosed with any mental illness. She was just venting.
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Her friend and mentor said that she wasn't diagnosed with any mental illness. She was just venting.
Her friend and mentor is a psychologist/psychiatrist?
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Her friend and mentor is a psychologist/psychiatrist?
i don't know. He was staring that she had not to his knowledge been diagnosed by a professional for Depression and PTSD. She may have. But, no one has stepped forth and said that she was.
You know how some people go on FB and ramble (like Tbombz)? He was saying she was as doing that.
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Am I missing something here? Cops want to arrest you, shut the fuck up and go and if it was wrongful fight it in court. Otherwise you become another statistic.
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I can promise you this, there will be no riots (protest maybe) but in this neck of the woods you'll see none of this bullshit you see in ferguson or Baltimore.
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Am I missing something here? Cops want to arrest you, shut the fuck up and go and if it was wrongful fight it in court. Otherwise you become another statistic.
Stupid! Police shot an Autistic guy because he wouldn't comply to their stop orders.
AUTISTIC PATIENTS DON'T EVER COMPLY TO ORDERS. ONCE THEY DECIDE TO GO IN ONE DIRECTION, IT'S THAT THE WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. WELL, THE CASKET WHEN IT COMES TO COPS.
(http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2013/10/17/420x_q90_cMC_z/autism-maloneys-zoo.jpg)
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Stupid! Police shot an Autistic guy because he wouldn't comply to their stop orders.
AUTISTIC PATIENTS DON'T EVER COMPLY TO ORDERS. ONCE THEY DECIDE TO GO IN ONE DIRECTION, IT'S THAT THE WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. WELL, THE CASKET WHEN IT COMES TO COPS.
(http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2013/10/17/420x_q90_cMC_z/autism-maloneys-zoo.jpg)
Well that's not entirely accurate , Autism is a spectrum disorder , lots of people fall of opposite ends and in-between.
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Dash cam vid just released
https://www.yahoo.com/news/da-too-early-know-woman-died-texas-jail-071406087.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/da-too-early-know-woman-died-texas-jail-071406087.html)
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More race baiting Parker? Going to have to ban and delete in 3...2..1...
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She got stopped for not signaling. What the fuck? No one in SoCal signals. Wish cops would shoot people here.
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Officer should have given the warning ticket and left rather than try to make her put out her cigarette which was something she didn't have to comply with. Very bad arrest. Even worse was that she was held for 3 days....should have been booked and let go if you're going to do that. Police Supervisor should have reviewed the arrest.
The officer has been pulled off duty and he'll likely be terminated or will resign
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Stupid! Police shot an Autistic guy because he wouldn't comply to their stop orders.
AUTISTIC PATIENTS DON'T EVER COMPLY TO ORDERS. ONCE THEY DECIDE TO GO IN ONE DIRECTION, IT'S THAT THE WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. WELL, THE CASKET WHEN IT COMES TO COPS.
(http://www.post-gazette.com/image/2013/10/17/420x_q90_cMC_z/autism-maloneys-zoo.jpg)
another autistic statistic
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Jesus Christ, she hung herself in a jail cell and somehow its not her fault? ???
These people are getting ridiculous at this point.
Adonis. When I booked people in when I was a detention officer, there's a document you have to fill out and on that document, if you check the part where you have attempted suicide before...you get placed in a protective cell, given a suicide apron, and checked every 15 minutes.
She checked the box where she admitted to attempting suicide before and was placed in a regular jail cell.
Oops.... ::)
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All that drama over a lane change she made because he was behind her. BS pull over and no need for this to escalate.
I have been in a similar situation with a MA State trooper in a much worse mood than that cop. I could tell this lieutenant was in a bad mood and could care less that I was a veteran etc. I kept my mouth shut and yes sir no sir'd him to death. He had that stupid MA nazi uniform on too which is idiotic.
I was calm so he stayed calm.
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Maybe he was being petty but he was still doing what was in the scope of his job description. It's not for her or for us to judge whether it was bullshit. He was perfectly allowed to pull her over. Why the fuck don't people listen to cops nowadays? She was defensive right from the beginning. All she had to do was say "I'm sorry officer I didn't realize I forgot my signal" and he would have sent her on her merry way. No sympathy for this stupid bitch.
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All that drama over a lane change she made because he was behind her. BS pull over and no need for this to escalate.
I have been in a similar situation with a MA State trooper in a much worse mood than that cop. I could tell this lieutenant was in a bad mood and could care less that I was a veteran etc. I kept my mouth shut and yes sir no sir'd him to death. He had that stupid MA nazi uniform on too which is idiotic.
I was calm so he stayed calm.
Awesome uniforms. Hugo Boss approved.
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The pigs whacked her.
Give the killer 40 years.
Next case please.
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Officer should have given the warning ticket and left rather than try to make her put out her cigarette which was something she didn't have to comply with. Very bad arrest. Even worse was that she was held for 3 days....should have been booked and let go if you're going to do that. Police Supervisor should have reviewed the arrest.
The officer has been pulled off duty and he'll likely be terminated or will resign
That's just dumb. If she would have complied, she could have gone home and hung herself.
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All that drama over a lane change she made because he was behind her. BS pull over and no need for this to escalate.
I have been in a similar situation with a MA State trooper in a much worse mood than that cop. I could tell this lieutenant was in a bad mood and could care less that I was a veteran etc. I kept my mouth shut and yes sir no sir'd him to death. He had that stupid MA nazi uniform on too which is idiotic.
I was calm so he stayed calm.
That can't be real. Uniforms look a mix between Chaplin's 'The Great Dictator,' and someone's idea of Orwell's '1984.'
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(http://i.imgur.com/nEwzYcu.jpg)
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I usually take the cops' side, but this one strikes me as a Barney Fife with a Napoleon complex.
(http://www.heyterry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/barney-fife.jpg)
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Black lives dont matter its true and the US would be better without them.
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What a coincidence that a known police agitator got pulled over and the cop knew exactly how to push her buttons.
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Apparently, the cop became irate because she refused to put out her cigarette.
Then came this:
“Would you mind putting out your cigarette, please?” Encinia said.
“I’m in my car, why do I have to put out my cigarette?” Bland answered.
“Well, you can step on out now,” Encinia said.
Within seconds, the two were locked in a physical confrontation — first inside the vehicle, then on the side of the road.
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Apparently, the cop became irate because she refused to put out her cigarette.
Then came this:
“Would you mind putting out your cigarette, please?” Encinia said.
“I’m in my car, why do I have to put out my cigarette?” Bland answered.
“Well, you can step on out now,” Encinia said.
Within seconds, the two were locked in a physical confrontation — first inside the vehicle, then on the side of the road.
Check this out. Caught on Google Street View
https://www.google.co.za/maps/place/31+Junction+Rd,+Johannesburg,+2018/@-26.124078,28.073525,3a,41.2y,83.69h,75.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2ZDVpYxHwb83ElACkE6ARg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26output%3Dthumbnail%26thumb%3D2%26panoid%3D2ZDVpYxHwb83ElACkE6ARg%26w%3D374%26h%3D75%26yaw%3D262%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D120%26ll%3D-26.124078,28.073525!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x1e950d23b0c7940f:0xb58115c9e4320e16!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.co.za/maps/place/31+Junction+Rd,+Johannesburg,+2018/@-26.124078,28.073525,3a,41.2y,83.69h,75.09t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2ZDVpYxHwb83ElACkE6ARg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26output%3Dthumbnail%26thumb%3D2%26panoid%3D2ZDVpYxHwb83ElACkE6ARg%26w%3D374%26h%3D75%26yaw%3D262%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D120%26ll%3D-26.124078,28.073525!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x1e950d23b0c7940f:0xb58115c9e4320e16!6m1!1e1)
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I don't smoke and think it's nasty, but people do it to deal with stress. Getting pulled over is stressful. I didn't think a cop had the right to tell a person not to smoke, in their own vehicle. The cop was the one intruding upon the citizens day here, so he should not be able to deny her the right to smoke that nasty thing.
Cop was wrong to do that imo. None of us have power to tell others not to smoke in their own vehicle.
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Jesus Christ, she hung herself in a jail cell and somehow its not her fault? ???
These people are getting ridiculous at this point.
If it makes you feel any better, you voted for the same president they did.
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I don't smoke and think it's nasty, but people do it to deal with stress. Getting pulled over is stressful. I didn't think a cop had the right to tell a person not to smoke, in their own vehicle. The cop was the one intruding upon the citizens day here, so he should not be able to deny her the right to smoke that nasty thing.
Cop was wrong to do that imo. None of us have power to tell others not to smoke in their own vehicle.
I do agree with this. In the end, she did herself in, but just for a side discussion, why does she have to stop smoking because she got pulled over?
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If it makes you feel any better, you voted for the same president they did.
Liberals are by far the most racist of people.
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All that drama over a lane change she made because he was behind her. BS pull over and no need for this to escalate.
I have been in a similar situation with a MA State trooper in a much worse mood than that cop. I could tell this lieutenant was in a bad mood and could care less that I was a veteran etc. I kept my mouth shut and yes sir no sir'd him to death. He had that stupid MA nazi uniform on too which is idiotic.
I was calm so he stayed calm.
I do that too, but I fucking hate it. There's no reason for fucking cops on traffic detail to be Hard Men. They can just fuck right off with that shit. In my town in NH, we do all budgeting by warrant article. That means that the voters get to decide what's in an what's out. A few years ago, the police chief was asking the budget for another cruiser. When somebody asked why, he replied "traffic enforcement"
He's still looking for that cruiser and his budget has been getting slashed every year. Fuck that guy.
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I do that too, but I fucking hate it. There's no reason for fucking cops on traffic detail to be Hard Men. They can just fuck right off with that shit. In my town in NH, we do all budgeting by warrant article. That means that the voters get to decide what's in an what's out. A few years ago, the police chief was asking the budget for another cruiser. When somebody asked why, he replied "traffic enforcement"
He's still looking for that cruiser and his budget has been getting slashed every year. Fuck that guy.
What a crazy idea... Let the people that are actually paying the bill decide what to buy!
Should be like that everywhere.
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I do that too, but I fucking hate it. There's no reason for fucking cops on traffic detail to be Hard Men. They can just fuck right off with that shit. In my town in NH, we do all budgeting by warrant article. That means that the voters get to decide what's in an what's out. A few years ago, the police chief was asking the budget for another cruiser. When somebody asked why, he replied "traffic enforcement"
He's still looking for that cruiser and his budget has been getting slashed every year. Fuck that guy.
do they have the Ford Crown Vics?
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I do agree with this. In the end, she did herself in, but just for a side discussion, why does she have to stop smoking because she got pulled over?
Because he's a cop and feels the need to exert his "power."
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do they have the Ford Crown Vics?
No, the CV has been trending out for a while. Great car, but expensive. I think we are rocking the POS Impala.
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I don't smoke and think it's nasty, but people do it to deal with stress. Getting pulled over is stressful. I didn't think a cop had the right to tell a person not to smoke, in their own vehicle. The cop was the one intruding upon the citizens day here, so he should not be able to deny her the right to smoke that nasty thing.
Cop was wrong to do that imo. None of us have power to tell others not to smoke in their own vehicle.
This was one of the most disgusting videos I have seen. That cop was so far from right its disturbing.
She should NOT have been told to put out her cigarette.
She should NOT have been arrested and most likely would have been a alive today, sad.
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This was one of the most disgusting videos I have seen. That cop was so far from right its disturbing.
She should NOT have been told to put out her cigarette.
She should NOT have been arrested and most likely would have been a alive today, sad.
The officer should have just ignored the smoking, gave her the warning and told her to have a nice day.
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The officer should have just ignored the smoking, gave her the warning and told her to have a nice day.
100% agree but his actions after she wouldn't put the cig out are disturbing. He should be FIRED
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100% agree but his actions after she wouldn't put the cig out are disturbing. He should be FIRED
If he was going to arrest her for failing to comply with a lawful order, he needed to wait for back up.
You have two people---one trying to assert authority and another who is agitated by being stopped. The incident wasn't going to go well when he asked her to stop smoking...it fell apart after that.
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That's just dumb. If she would have complied, she could have gone home and hung herself.
Exactly, and the police would not be in so much shit. Never bring in people you don't have to and he didn't have to.....
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The midget cop was very quick to put someone in a cage for nickel and dime sh!t.
Now, his midget ass won't be pulling anyone over and will be worried about being put in a cage himself.
Karma's a bitch.
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If he was going to arrest her for failing to comply with a lawful order, he needed to wait for back up.
You have two people---one trying to assert authority and another who is agitated by being stopped. The incident wasn't going to go well when he asked her to stop smoking...it fell apart after that.
I didn't really hear her say anything until the cop asked her what was wrong. Makes me feel more so that he was further out of line and should not be a cop.
We all have had a cop come up on us fast and pulled over to the other lane to let them pass, but in this case she forgot to put on her signal light to get out of his way and gets pulled over, harrassed by the police, and dies. Fucked up to say the least.
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While I agree the cop was being a dick, the fact is this unstable woman killed herself. Anyone blaming the cop is delusional, as she was a time bomb and would've done it anyway. Probably thought she'd be seen as some sort of martyr.
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Welcome to America...land of prisons and self righteous cops who will put u in jail for annoying them
Taxpayer $ wasted and an Americans citizens rights trampled upon over a fucking turn signal.
Too many ego driven macho dudes want to be cops so they can exert THEIR authority, which often times does not coincide with the actual law.
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Because he's a cop and feels the need to exert his "power."
THIS. The cop gains more power and throws her off game by removing her stress-mgmt tool (cigs) during a very stressful time (being pulled over).
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She signed a paper saying she had attempted suicide before...
and the police broke protocol and didn't do the things like apron, 15 minute checks, etc?
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THIS. The cop gains more power and throws her off game by removing her stress-mgmt tool (cigs) during a very stressful time (being pulled over).
There was no reason to have her get out of the car to begin with.
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There was no reason to have her get out of the car to begin with.
Agree. All she did was fail to signal. Inside the car she wasn't breaking the law. She had her belt on, had a valid license, had insurance. There was no evidence she was hiding anything. Absolutely no reason to ask her to get out of the car. The fact a cop can just arrest you if you don't listen to their bullshit requests is an abuse of power.
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Agree. All she did was fail to signal. Inside the car she wasn't breaking the law. She had her belt on, had a valid license, had insurance. There was no evidence she was hiding anything. Absolutely no reason to ask her to get out of the car. The fact a cop can just arrest you if you don't listen to their bullshit requests is an abuse of power.
That's why I described my encounter with a MA lieutenant on page two. Yes sir no sir and be on your way. The cop I was dealing with was so stressed I think he just would have shot me.
Not worth hassle and she was just getting a warning. I got a $300 dollar speeding ticket.
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While I agree the cop was being a dick, the fact is this unstable woman killed herself. Anyone blaming the cop is delusional, as she was a time bomb and would've done it anyway. Probably thought she'd be seen as some sort of martyr.
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Officer should have given the warning ticket and left rather than try to make her put out her cigarette which was something she didn't have to comply with. Very bad arrest. Even worse was that she was held for 3 days....should have been booked and let go if you're going to do that. Police Supervisor should have reviewed the arrest.
The officer has been pulled off duty and he'll likely be terminated or will resign
Jeez F up a good career w/ a seemingly great agency over a freakin' traffic stop that didn't amount to spit! ::) ???
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While I agree the cop was being a dick, the fact is this unstable woman killed herself. Anyone blaming the cop is delusional, as she was a time bomb and would've done it anyway. Probably thought she'd be seen as some sort of martyr.
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I do agree with this. In the end, she did herself in, but just for a side discussion, why does she have to stop smoking because she got pulled over?
I wasn't there and I haven't talked to the officer involved but here is a possible train of thought.. Cops are taught many things can be hazardous to their health. In any street detention, and a traffic stop is a detention, it is standard procedure to have people drop their cigarettes. They can be used as a distraction ploy prior to an attack. In this particular case it is possible he was thinking "Hell, she's pissed off, belligerent, obviously agitated and she's holding a lit cigarette in her right hand.. I have to pass her this ticket book in order to complete this contact and she could easily burn my hand with it. So to be safe.. I'll have her put it out. "
If I got a complaint from a citizen about a rude officer making them put their cigarette out, and I reviewed the video and saw this, and the officer explained to me his concern.. I can't imagine saying to this officer "Officer Smith.. in the future, anytime you are dealing with a belligerent citizen you will NOT ask them to put out their cigarette even if you feel it puts you at any risk"
Just another perspective..
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She signed a paper saying she had attempted suicide before...
and the police broke protocol and didn't do the things like apron, 15 minute checks, etc?
Link to the paper?
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Found the booking sheet.. says She attempted suicide before, she killed her baby by taking pills..
Asked if the arresting officer or any other person thinks she's at risk the answer is "no"
asked if she had thoughts of killing herself in the last year, she said "no"
Are you thinking of killing yourself today.. she said "no"
Does the individual seem confused, pre Occupied, hopeless, sad.. "no"
Are you currently under care of MHMR (Mental Health) "no"
Haven't read their protocol but ours wouldn't require a suicide watch or special care for a past suicide attempt. It's what is going on in the very recent past and present that most places go by. So again, I would have to see their SOP's to see if they actually broke any rules.
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100% agree but his actions after she wouldn't put the cig out are disturbing. He should be FIRED
If I am not correct. I believe he was fired or released from another agency. I believe it was due to racism. Correct me if I am wrong.I didn't really hear her say anything until the cop asked her what was wrong. Makes me feel more so that he was further out of line and should not be a cop.
We all have had a cop come up on us fast and pulled over to the other lane to let them pass, but in this case she forgot to put on her signal light to get out of his way and gets pulled over, harrassed by the police, and dies. Fucked up to say the least.
If he asked her what was wrong, he sensed that she was agitated in some way. Then came the escalation of that.I wasn't there and I haven't talked to the officer involved but here is a possible train of thought.. Cops are taught many things can be hazardous to their health. In any street detention, and a traffic stop is a detention, it is standard procedure to have people drop their cigarettes. They can be used as a distraction ploy prior to an attack. In this particular case it is possible he was thinking "Hell, she's pissed off, belligerent, obviously agitated and she's holding a lit cigarette in her right hand.. I have to pass her this ticket book in order to complete this contact and she could easily burn my hand with it. So to be safe.. I'll have her put it out. "
If I got a complaint from a citizen about a rude officer making them put their cigarette out, and I reviewed the video and saw this, and the officer explained to me his concern.. I can't imagine saying to this officer "Officer Smith.. in the future, anytime you are dealing with a belligerent citizen you will NOT ask them to put out their cigarette even if you feel it puts you at any risk"
Just another perspective..
interesting perspective. But, still I think he should have ignored the lit cigarette, gave her the warning and told her to have a nice day.
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Agree. All she did was fail to signal. Inside the car she wasn't breaking the law. She had her belt on, had a valid license, had insurance. There was no evidence she was hiding anything. Absolutely no reason to ask her to get out of the car. The fact a cop can just arrest you if you don't listen to their bullshit requests is an abuse of power.
cops do this kind os power-trip demands every day. Most people just obey it. I LIKE that she didn't listen to the 'put out the smoke', and I don't even smoke. it's about liberty and rights.
Oddly, so many 'conservatives' are okay with police abusing the shit out of peoples' rights.
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If I am not correct. I believe he was fired or released from another agency. I believe it was due to racism. Correct me if I am wrong.If he asked her what was wrong, he sensed that she was agitated in some way. Then came the escalation of that.interesting perspective. But, still I think he should have ignored the lit cigarette, gave her the warning and told her to have a nice day.
I don't know what he was seeing or what he was thinking.. if it was that the smoke was bothering him then yes, ignore the cigarette, finish the contact and be on your way. I never ask someone what's wrong unless I am ready to address the issue with them. 9 times out of 10 I can guess what's wrong.. ie they are getting a ticket and think they don't deserve it. You're just asking for an argument if you delve any deeper. If someone is ridiculously upset I might inquire as to why they are so upset.. and might make a quick attempt to address their issue but generally speaking.. it rarely helps. Sometimes, after they vent and if you remain cool and say "well I'm sorry you feel that way" they may calm down with the old "I'm just having a bad day.. sorry" but it rarely happens. Oddly enough it's been my experience the jerk contacts are not the norm and the stops typically are cordial. If not, I certainly understand a certain amount of animosity, as no one enjoys getting a ticket but the out and out belligerent ones.. not fun at all.
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cops do this kind os power-trip demands every day. Most people just obey it. I LIKE that she didn't listen to the 'put out the smoke', and I don't even smoke. it's about liberty and rights.
Oddly, so many 'conservatives' are okay with police abusing the shit out of peoples' rights.
It's probably because what is abuse is debated betwinxt liberals and conservatives.. and what you think is abuse, may be reasonable given the situation.. If I stop you on the street at 3 am in a high crime area because you match the description of a auto burglar suspect, would you consider it abuse if I tell you to put out your cigarette while we talk?
How about if I ask you to sit on the curb?
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Other than showing a proper papers she is under no legal obligation to answer any questions She should have politely declined
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In the days leading up to Sandra Bland's death, she wasn't eating and was emotional, a former jail mate said.
Alexandria Pyle , who was in a neighboring cell at the Waller County Jail in Texas, said Bland was upset because her bond was set at $5,000 and no one was returning her jailhouse calls.
"She wasn't eating and when I did talk to her, she was just crying and crying and all I could say was they could not hold you forever," Pyle said.
Citing preliminary autopsy results, the Waller County prosecutor told reporters that the cause of Bland's death was hanging and that she had committed suicide. There were no signs of a struggle.
Prosecutor Warren Diepraam said the early results offered "very overwhelming evidence," but stressed that the case is not closed.
"I feel comfortable that their findings are correct, but there's still a lot of information out there so we're not forming any conclusions at this point," he said. "Nothing is certain."
The results of the preliminary autopsy concur with how the sheriff's office described Bland's death.
Jail personnel found her not breathing and hanging from a trash bag on the morning of July 13. The sheriff's office said it "appears to be self-inflicted asphyxiation."
Waller County Sheriff R. Glenn Smith also weighed in. "There is absolutely no doubt in my mind (Bland committed suicide)," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/24/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-main/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/24/us/sandra-bland-arrest-death-main/index.html)
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None of her friends or family would help bail her out so she killed herself and somehow it's the cops fault ???
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None of her friends or family would help bail her out so she killed herself and somehow it's the cops fault ???
In the near future, whenever a black person commits suicide, it will be the cop's fault. Whenever a black person overdoses, it will be the cop's fault. Whenever a black person gets hit by a train, it will be the cop's fault. Bottom line, nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions anymore. :-\
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http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/do-you-know-why-im-pulling-you-over-being-wildly-a-50916
Good afternoon, sir. Go ahead and roll your window all the way down for me. My name is Officer Daniel McEwen from the Greene County Police Department. Now, do you know why I’m pulling you over today, being overly aggressive, and charging you with a felony count of assaulting a police officer?
I’m going to need to see your driver’s license, vehicle registration, and proof of insurance. Thank you, sir. Now, just sit tight in your car while I take a look here and grow increasingly hostile. I’m just going to start addressing you in an unmistakably threatening tone that is specifically meant to intimidate and provoke, and then drastically escalate the situation so that it quickly gets out of hand.
Are you aware of the speed limit on this road, sir? It’s 35. I had you clocked at 52 miles per hour, which is why I had to stop you and exhibit a nakedly confrontational, antagonistic, and condescending attitude, practically daring you to challenge my authority in any way whatsoever. You can’t be driving that fast around here, so I’m going to have to write you a ticket and then violently place you under arrest the moment you do or say anything that isn’t in complete and utter compliance—or which could even be remotely construed as noncompliant—with every single instruction I give to you.
Do you understand all that, sir?
If you have any questions about this ticket, I’d be happy to wildly overreact to anything you say that shows the slightest hint of resentment, annoyance, or resistance. Really, while you have me here, I can easily interpret any snide remark or frustrated comment as a potential threat to my safety—even so much as an angry look—and respond in a disproportionately combative way by erupting in unwarranted rage, taking out either my 50,000-volt Taser or my handgun, and pointing it directly at you through the driver’s side window.
Now, I have to head back to my patrol car real quick, so please bear with me here for a few minutes. Then you can be on your way to jail in no time as soon as I come back and forcibly remove you from your vehicle, slam you into the asphalt, cuff you, and jam my knee into your back as I radio in that I need backup right away because you’re resisting arrest—all the while both outright ignoring your vocalized concerns for your safety and directing my own petty, barbed insults at you. Just so we’re on the same page here, you’ll be getting three points on your license for speeding and also assault charges that carry a minimum sentence of one year in prison, but you’ll be assumed guilty of both while I automatically receive the benefit of the doubt despite any and all evidence to the contrary.
You know what, why don’t you step out of the car, sir? And put that goddamn cell phone away.
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In the near future, whenever a black person commits suicide, it will be the cop's fault. Whenever a black person overdoses, it will be the cop's fault. Whenever a black person gets hit by a train, it will be the cop's fault. Bottom line, nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions anymore. :-\
The future is now!
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In the near future, whenever a black person commits suicide, it will be the cop's fault. Whenever a black person overdoses, it will be the cop's fault. Whenever a black person gets hit by a train, it will be the cop's fault. Bottom line, nobody wants to take responsibility for their own actions anymore. :-\
There are those that believe that already
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/07/sandra_bland_s_arrest_and_death_are_a_national_scandal_brian_encinia_and.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
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None of her friends or family would help bail her out so she killed herself and somehow it's the cops fault ???
We don't know if they could help. The phrasing of that question is making an assumption that they were able to. Her bond was $5000. Some people don't have the money, and then there is the whole wiring that amount to her. She contacted and left a voicemail on friend's phone.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/listen-sandra-bland-left-voicemail-on-friends-phone-from-prison/ (http://www.mediaite.com/online/listen-sandra-bland-left-voicemail-on-friends-phone-from-prison/)
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The fact is that police officers put themselves in predicaments like this when they try to do too much and then lose their cool....I would not have even engaged in an argument with her...for what???.....pull her over, give her the ticket..let her ramble to herself....get home in time to have dinner and bang my wife....all the other stuff is nonsense and unnecessary
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That sucks. She was great in Speed.
Yes. I also believe Coach lived next door to her and they had BBQ's together.
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I watched the arrest video.
I can only say good riddance, one less bitch in the world
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The fact is that police officers put themselves in predicaments like this when they try to do too much and then lose their cool....I would not have even engaged in an argument with her...for what???.....pull her over, give her the ticket..let her ramble to herself....get home in time to have dinner and bang my wife....all the other stuff is nonsense and unnecessary
cops use their jobs to work out their issue. you're 100% right. Here's your ticket, have a nice day.
he wanted to use that stop to feel secure, to not feel like a little bitch. He walked into her smoky car, he cannot tell her to put it out. He wanted to pwn someone, he wanted to make his 4 inch penis feel better.
if he'd just done his job, ticketed her stank smoking ass, and moved on, everyone wins. Idiot cops being allowed to get their therapy pushing people beyond what is needed for simple law enforcement. You're right - ticket and move on with your day. All this bullshit about controlling her, managing her, making her do his will, eew.
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I've read a good portion of this thread and I see the usual hateful... Racist Devils ... Are out in full force.
I can never comprehend how the mind of some of you racist devils work , but it doesn't faze me , hey if you don't like a certain people hey your opinion your preference.. Cool.
I do have a question for all of those people though, so if your mom or sister got pulled over for not indicating (ha ha ha seriously) and she refused to get out the car.
Is this how you would want her to be treated?
That's the proper way to treat someone who hasn't indicated.
Some of you need to travel more is all I will say
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The cop went overboard, but this whole situation was created by Bland....I f she had acted reasonably and respectfully, nothing would have happened....So typical of Blacks, a horrible attitude....
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I've read a good portion of this thread and I see the usual hateful... Racist Devils ... Are out in full force.
I can never comprehend how the mind of some of you racist devils work , but it doesn't faze me , hey if you don't like a certain people hey your opinion your preference.. Cool.
I do have a question for all of those people though, so if your mom or sister got pulled over for not indicating (ha ha ha seriously) and she refused to get out the car.
Is this how you would want her to be treated?
That's the proper way to treat someone who hasn't indicated.
Some of you need to travel more is all I will say
The problem with your question is that it assumes that any one of our mothers would refuse an lawful ordee from a police officer. Normal citizens don't get into shouting matches with cops. Only those who are looking for trouble and desiring to escalate conflict do things like that. The real question is why so many Hebrews cannot place their well-being, freedom and safety above their fragile egos and just cooperate.
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I've read a good portion of this thread and I see the usual hateful... Racist Devils ... Are out in full force.
I can never comprehend how the mind of some of you racist devils work , but it doesn't faze me , hey if you don't like a certain people hey your opinion your preference.. Cool.
I do have a question for all of those people though, so if your mom or sister got pulled over for not indicating (ha ha ha seriously) and she refused to get out the car.
Is this how you would want her to be treated?
That's the proper way to treat someone who hasn't indicated.
Some of you need to travel more is all I will say
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Impossible, racism is strictly policed on getbig
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The problem with your question is that it assumes that any one of our mothers would refuse an lawful ordee from a police officer. Normal citizens don't get into shouting matches with cops. Only those who are looking for trouble and desiring to escalate conflict do things like that. The real question is why so many Hebrews cannot place their well-being, freedom and safety above their fragile egos and just cooperate.
Stopping and threatening to light someone up.. When the person poses no threat to you whatsoever, who knows she could have been in a bad mood all she wanted to know was what she was being detained for to which the guy refused to answer . Some of you guys need to travel more seriously if you think this is how you speak and treat citizens
I will conclude in saying if that happened to a white Indianon Chinese woman I would be just as disgusted.
Yet we have some of you white folk on here saying good riddance one less bitch or laughing and joking about it
The evil runs deep in some of you ... Devil way of thinking inhuman
Happy to see someone get mistreated and ultimately killed
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Imagine if she would have complied....totally different conversation we'd be having!
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Imagine if she would have complied....totally different conversation we'd be having!
Many Hebrews believe that compliance represents slavery and refusing to comply represents slave rebellion.
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Many Hebrews believe that compliance represents slavery and refusing to comply represents slave rebellion.
Everyone whining about the cop, but nobody wants to talk about what drove her to kill herself. Biggest problem with people today, just want to point the finger and blame instead of facing cold hard facts and dealing with the real issues.
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We don't know if they could help. The phrasing of that question is making an assumption that they were able to. Her bond was $5000. Some people don't have the money, and then there is the whole wiring that amount to her. She contacted and left a voicemail on friend's phone.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/listen-sandra-bland-left-voicemail-on-friends-phone-from-prison/ (http://www.mediaite.com/online/listen-sandra-bland-left-voicemail-on-friends-phone-from-prison/)
In all honesty she was from Chicago w/ little or no local family/friends so bond would have been difficult to secure.
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So the woman has no right to ask what she has being detained for... Is America a communist country? Last time I checked it wasn't. Failing to indicate are you kidding me... Threaten to shoot someone for asking you a question ;D
Wow just wow ....
Like I said some of you need to travel more and I dont mean state to state.
I'll just leave it at that
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The problem with your question is that it assumes that any one of our mothers would refuse an lawful ordee from a police officer. Normal citizens don't get into shouting matches with cops. Only those who are looking for trouble and desiring to escalate conflict do things like that. The real question is why so many Hebrews cannot place their well-being, freedom and safety above their fragile egos and just cooperate.
Very well said.
+1
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So we all want our moms arrested and locked up for non compliance.
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This is w/out a doubt gonna end up costing the taxpayers of that county a helluva lotta cash. All for stupid DPS officer. Jeez these guys used to be damn near Texas Rangers quality. Obviously they've lowered they're hiring standards. ???
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So we all want our moms arrested and locked up for non compliance.
Compliance is the only method under which unarmed policing works. If people can refuse an order because they don't believe the officer has the right to make that order, then the entire system collapses. Failure to comprehend that can only be traced to a low IQ or liberal delusions of a social utopia.
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Everyone whining about the cop, but nobody wants to talk about what drove her to kill herself. Biggest problem with people today, just want to point the finger and blame instead of facing cold hard facts and dealing with the real issues.
Quite true. Also, the fact that the jail had plastic trash bag liners for trash cans in the jail cell. Who does that? And especially have that in a cell where the detainee has indicated on paper that she has tried to attempt suicide last yr.
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Compliance is the only method under which unarmed policing works. If people can refuse an order because they don't believe the officer has the right to make that order, then the entire system collapses. Failure to comprehend that can only be traced to a low IQ or liberal delusions of a social utopia.
You wouldn't bail your own mom out of jail. Congrats.
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Quite true. Also, the fact that the jail had plastic trash bag liners for trash cans in the jail cell. Who does that? And especially have that in a cell where the detainee has indicated on paper that she has tried to attempt suicide last yr.
That's what I found astounding. I've known people who were arrested and couldn't have their sneakers in the cell with them. I'm guessing policy is going to change now.
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Everyone whining about the cop, but nobody wants to talk about what drove her to kill herself. Biggest problem with people today, just want to point the finger and blame instead of facing cold hard facts and dealing with the real issues.
I read she had a 41 yr old loser for a son - an unemployed junkie, who spent his time on internet bodybuilding websites despite having man tits and 30 % body-fat. Fuck, you'd kill yourself too
THE BEEF
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I read she had a 41 yr old loser for a son - an unemployed junkie, who spent his time on internet bodybuilding websites despite having man tits and 30 % body-fat. Fuck, you'd kill yourself too
THE BEEF
I'm surprised you're 41....
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Yea...he writes much older. ;D
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You wouldn't bail your own mom out of jail. Congrats.
I wouldn't have to. She doesn't drive like an idiot, pick fights with cops or resist arrest.
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I wouldn't have to. She doesn't drive like an idiot, pick fights with cops or resist arrest.
haha you'd let your mom rot in jail...I gather this is what people who aren't liberals do?
Fill us in your concept of "social utopias"...these idealized places where people don't want their mothers incarcerated for "non compliance".
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Who ???
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Oh, "Hands up Don't Shoot."
Black Crime Matters.
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Good riddance! :D
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This will make you sick.
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This will make you sick.
Yes, that does make me sick. Completely delusional, racist she is. :-\
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You cannot have a police state without police.
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She was already dead in her mugshot you morons. She was murdered!
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She was already dead in her mugshot you morons. She was murdered!
Very much anti bible lingo ::) :D
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Stopping and threatening to light someone up.. When the person poses no threat to you whatsoever, who knows she could have been in a bad mood all she wanted to know was what she was being detained for to which the guy refused to answer . Some of you guys need to travel more seriously if you think this is how you speak and treat citizens
I will conclude in saying if that happened to a white Indianon Chinese woman I would be just as disgusted.
Yet we have some of you white folk on here saying good riddance one less bitch or laughing and joking about it
The evil runs deep in some of you ... Devil way of thinking inhuman
Happy to see someone get mistreated and ultimately killed
You are so dumb you can't see reality.....
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While the Waller County officials have yet to comment on the “original” photograph, several graphic artists have taken to social media to refute the authenticity of it.
One graphic artist shared views on Facebook.
“First, even for a low res images, the pixel difference in the areas of concern are quite obvious. I have done a lot of retouching and this is a horrible job. The low resolution image is also troubling. Police departments use HD digital and have for sometime, even in the sticks. Why hack an image and down res it? Look at the abrupt way the pixels changes colors in the areas of question. IMO, THIS WAS SHOPPED.”
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2285202/fake-mugshot-photo-complicates-issues-surrounding-sandra-blands-death/#39DrRX72hqwP7gj1.99
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Yes, that does make me sick. Completely delusional, racist she is was. :-\
Fixed
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While the Waller County officials have yet to comment on the “original” photograph, several graphic artists have taken to social media to refute the authenticity of it.
One graphic artist shared views on Facebook.
“First, even for a low res images, the pixel difference in the areas of concern are quite obvious. I have done a lot of retouching and this is a horrible job. The low resolution image is also troubling. Police departments use HD digital and have for sometime, even in the sticks. Why hack an image and down res it? Look at the abrupt way the pixels changes colors in the areas of question. IMO, THIS WAS SHOPPED.”
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2285202/fake-mugshot-photo-complicates-issues-surrounding-sandra-blands-death/#39DrRX72hqwP7gj1.99
the only defense of this reduced quality image and obvious oddities has been:
1) Of course, that's what conspiracy theorists think
2) of course, you don't support the police
3) insert race-baiting statement
Not a lot of logic to the defense. There are a lot of Qs to be answered about this picture. So far, the only defense is to attack the people asking the questions.
It's odd in this day and age for cops to think they could get away with such fakery. Then again, without this becoming a national story, maybe nobody ever notices. Maybe they HAVE done this before lol. I bet a lot of people are digging thru past mugshots to see other instances of this. At the time (if this is faked), the cops were probably thinking fast and didn't realize the floor color would give them away or that anyone would look at the pixelation.
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the only defense of this reduced quality image and obvious oddities has been:
1) Of course, that's what conspiracy theorists think
2) of course, you don't support the police
3) insert race-baiting statement
Not a lot of logic to the defense. There are a lot of Qs to be answered about this picture. So far, the only defense is to attack the people asking the questions.
It's odd in this day and age for cops to think they could get away with such fakery. Then again, without this becoming a national story, maybe nobody ever notices. Maybe they HAVE done this before lol. I bet a lot of people are digging thru past mugshots to see other instances of this. At the time (if this is faked), the cops were probably thinking fast and didn't realize the floor color would give them away or that anyone would look at the pixelation.
Jesus......
Have you ever thought this possibility... the claim is so retarded it doesn't rise to the occasion of a response?
Or
Every in custody death is investigated as a possible homicide until it's completed? Try hiding the fact she was dead 72 hrs before discovering the hanging body from an M.E.
Or.. she had a conversation with a female inmate days after the booking?
or...
The point is.. sometimes things are so stupid.. you don't need to waste breath responding. The earth is 6000 yrs old.. Reptilians that are half human half alien hold high office. these are other claims that don't warrant a response.. that the White house doesn't respond to the Reptilian allegation doesn't lend credibility to the allegation.
Hope this helps
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I read she had a 41 yr old loser for a son - an unemployed junkie, who spent his time on internet bodybuilding websites despite having man tits and 30 % body-fat. Fuck, you'd kill yourself too
THE BEEF
Serious question Beefaroni - Do you think you have a lean muscular physique? Be totally honest - do you honestly think that you look like a man that trains at all?
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you could see that Sandra Bland was nuts......she has a psychiatric issue that was never addressed.....she should have kept her mouth shut, taken the ticket and went on her way.....the officer was an asshole and idiot as well and he should have never engaged with her,...should have written the ticket and went on his way as well...
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you could see that Sandra Bland was nuts......she has a psychiatric issue that was never addressed.....she should have kept her mouth shut, taken the ticket and went on her way.....the officer was an asshole and idiot as well and he should have never engaged with her,...should have written the ticket and went on his way as well...
If she had acted like the first person in the vid she would have been on her way with a warning.
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If she had acted like the first person in the vid she would have been on her way with a warning.
Agreed
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Agreed
I also think the cop got back to his vehicle and checked her details and it came back, "General pain in the arse", maybe this influenced his decision to be a bit less tollerant with her.
You want to be a nuisance to the police then dont be surprised if they do it back
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I also think the cop got back to his vehicle and checked her details and it came back, "General pain in the arse", maybe this influenced his decision to be a bit less tollerant with her.
LMAO
You know, it's possible that both scenarios are correct.
The woman was a nightmare AND the cop is a Barney Fife who let his badge, gun, and taser go to his little head.
And for the younger Getbiggers not familiar with the Barney Fife character:
From Wiki:
"Barney is often overly analytical and alarmist about benign situations, such as the modest Mayberry crime scene. He takes a minor infraction, blows it out of proportion, and then concocts an elaborate solution (sometimes involving inept civilians, like Otis Campbell or Gomer Pyle) to resolve it. In one early episode, where Andy was briefly summoned away, acting sheriff Barney proceeds to book and lock up nearly everyone in town. Despite his shortcomings, Barney is zealous about law enforcement, regularly spouting off penal codes and ordinances to thugs and jaywalkers alike.
Sometimes considered a blowhard with delusions of grandeur, Barney fancies himself an expert on firearms, women, singing, and just about any other topic of conversation brought up while he is around. Conversely, Andy knows that Barney's false bravado is a smokescreen for his insecurities, and low self-confidence."
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I also think the cop got back to his vehicle and checked her details and it came back, "General pain in the arse", maybe this influenced his decision to be a bit less tollerant with her.
You want to be a nuisance to the police then dont be surprised if they do it back
I think that subways video of her in the mall obviously shows there are some issues there...
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I think that subways video of her in the mall obviously shows there are some issues there...
she used some of the same wording like " let's do this" I know there are some "activists" that get their jollies getting into confrontations with authority figures. She obviously enjoyed the confrontations.
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she used some of the same wording like " let's do this" I know there are some "activists" that get their jollies getting into confrontations with authority figures. She obviously enjoyed the confrontations.
I gotta agree with that
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i love it how americans harp on about their "freedoms" and "constitutional rights", gotta keep their guns in case the government tries to run roughshod over them.
then a situation like this arises and all of a sudden 'americans' believe that a citizen should act subserviently when faced with a public servant who is overexerting his authority.
the cop had no right to ask her to put her cigarette out and no right to then escalate the situation because she refused. there was no reason at that point to order her out of the vehicle, the ticket had been written all that was left to do was give it to her and let her go.
he only ordered her out of the car because he was butthurt by her refusal to put out the cigarette. she spoke to him in a civil manner right up to and even beyond the point he started abusing his power. no one is obliged to like the police or act happy if they got stopped by them.
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i love it how americans harp on about their "freedoms" and "constitutional rights", gotta keep their guns in case the government tries to run roughshod over them.
then a situation like this arises and all of a sudden 'americans' believe that a citizen should act subserviently when faced with a public servant who is overexerting his authority.
the cop had no right to ask her to put her cigarette out and no right to then escalate the situation because she refused. there was no reason at that point to order her out of the vehicle, the ticket had been written all that was left to do was give it to her and let her go.
he only ordered her out of the car because he was butthurt by her refusal to put out the cigarette. she spoke to him in a civil manner right up to and even beyond the point he started abusing his power. no one is obliged to like the police or act happy if they got stopped by them.
I agree with your point..I too think he was butthurt over what transpired...but she is obviously anti-authority..and you can tell she was very good at agitating the cop..its something she does a lot...with cops, boyfriends, family, strangers, etc ..she never actually stopped talking, not for a second.....when someone goes on and on and on like her it does tend to get you frustrated...I think we have all had a girlfriend or two like her ;D
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i love it how americans harp on about their "freedoms" and "constitutional rights", gotta keep their guns in case the government tries to run roughshod over them.
then a situation like this arises and all of a sudden 'americans' believe that a citizen should act subserviently when faced with a public servant who is overexerting his authority.
the cop had no right to ask her to put her cigarette out and no right to then escalate the situation because she refused. there was no reason at that point to order her out of the vehicle, the ticket had been written all that was left to do was give it to her and let her go.
he only ordered her out of the car because he was butthurt by her refusal to put out the cigarette. she spoke to him in a civil manner right up to and even beyond the point he started abusing his power. no one is obliged to like the police or act happy if they got stopped by them.
Here's the deal.. it doesn't have to be one or the other. You can be for freedoms.. and you can be reasonable when dealing with police. I've said it before, I'll say it for the ones who joined late..
When you are being detained by the police on a traffic stop, you are not free to go. There are certain "freedoms" the courts have determined you lose. There are certain ones you retain
You do not have the absolute right to light a cigarette and smoke. An officer isn't required to breath in noxious fumes during a traffic stop. An officer who is dealing with a belligerent person isn't required to allow that person to continue to hold an item that is 480 degrees when the officer will be passing something back and forth between them.
We can debate all day whether he should have sucked it up and just gave her the ticket. I probably would have unless I felt strongly she might burn me when I reached in. Ultimately, SHE brought made the decision to see where it went and even when he ordered her out which he has a legal right to do, she refused. With freedoms come personal responsibility. She amped up the encounter with her refusal to follow his direction. If she felt he was out of line, overboard, she should have done what was asked then asked for a supervisor. She could have also filed a formal complaint. Not following his orders was not an option.
There is a time and a place to address a cop who is unprofessional.. on the street is always always always the worst option.
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Here's the deal.. it doesn't have to be one or the other. You can be for freedoms.. and you can be reasonable when dealing with police. I've said it before, I'll say it for the ones who joined late..
When you are being detained by the police on a traffic stop, you are not free to go. There are certain "freedoms" the courts have determined you lose. There are certain ones you retain
You do not have the absolute right to light a cigarette and smoke. An officer isn't required to breath in noxious fumes during a traffic stop. An officer who is dealing with a belligerent person isn't required to allow that person to continue to hold an item that is 480 degrees when the officer will be passing something back and forth between them.
We can debate all day whether he should have sucked it up and just gave her the ticket. I probably would have unless I felt strongly she might burn me when I reached in. Ultimately, SHE brought made the decision to see where it went and even when he ordered her out which he has a legal right to do, she refused. With freedoms come personal responsibility. She amped up the encounter with her refusal to follow his direction. If she felt he was out of line, overboard, she should have done what was asked then asked for a supervisor. She could have also filed a formal complaint. Not following his orders was not an option.
There is a time and a place to address a cop who is unprofessional.. on the street is always always always the worst option.
It's not about how we would've handled the situation. Had I been in that car, it certainly wouldn't have ended that way. Then again, I'm a white male and,growing up, half of my friends fathers were cops.
That said, this is about how that cop handled that situation. He screwed up big time and will pay for it for the rest of his life.
I can assure you there will be a Federal Investigation of this, and in case you haven't seen our Attorney General:
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Oh well, it's not like she was gonna be the next Oprah Winfrey. :-\
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Oh well, it's not like she was gonna be the next Oprah Winfrey. :-\
If you knew how Oprah was when she was younger, nobody would have suspected that she would be where she was.
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i love it how americans harp on about their "freedoms" and "constitutional rights", gotta keep their guns in case the government tries to run roughshod over them.
then a situation like this arises and all of a sudden 'americans' believe that a citizen should act subserviently when faced with a public servant who is overexerting his authority.
the cop had no right to ask her to put her cigarette out and no right to then escalate the situation because she refused. there was no reason at that point to order her out of the vehicle, the ticket had been written all that was left to do was give it to her and let her go.
he only ordered her out of the car because he was butthurt by her refusal to put out the cigarette. she spoke to him in a civil manner right up to and even beyond the point he started abusing his power. no one is obliged to like the police or act happy if they got stopped by them.
Very well said. Agree with everything in your post.
Here's the deal.. it doesn't have to be one or the other. You can be for freedoms.. and you can be reasonable when dealing with police. I've said it before, I'll say it for the ones who joined late..
When you are being detained by the police on a traffic stop, you are not free to go. There are certain "freedoms" the courts have determined you lose. There are certain ones you retain
You do not have the absolute right to light a cigarette and smoke. An officer isn't required to breath in noxious fumes during a traffic stop. An officer who is dealing with a belligerent person isn't required to allow that person to continue to hold an item that is 480 degrees when the officer will be passing something back and forth between them.
We can debate all day whether he should have sucked it up and just gave her the ticket. I probably would have unless I felt strongly she might burn me when I reached in. Ultimately, SHE brought made the decision to see where it went and even when he ordered her out which he has a legal right to do, she refused. With freedoms come personal responsibility. She amped up the encounter with her refusal to follow his direction. If she felt he was out of line, overboard, she should have done what was asked then asked for a supervisor. She could have also filed a formal complaint. Not following his orders was not an option.
There is a time and a place to address a cop who is unprofessional.. on the street is always always always the worst option.
I don't know why it is ... but your posts and the way you come across ... well, it doesn't sit very well with me. Just sayin.
In fact, you come across as a person who's either a police officer themself ( and / or has a friend / family member that is one ) or a person who has had little to no experience with law enforcement.
Not trying to be rude here. Just stating my observations with the many posts of yours that I've read.
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the cop escalated the whole incident
obviously having a bad day
problem is when a cop has a bad day like that they can fuck someones life up
on the other side the woman should just have kept her mouth closed
no point antagonising someone with a taser and a gun
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the cop escalated the whole incidentobviously having a bad day
problem is when a cop has a bad day like that they can fuck someones life up
on the other side the woman should just have kept her mouth closed
no point antagonising someone with a taser and a gun
Agreed, and he only did this after he went to the car with her ID and checked out who she was.
He then discovered she was a royal pain in the arse and decided to mess her around.
Not ethical but understandable.
You make yourself a target and people will take potshots at you.
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Agreed, and he only did this after he went to the car with her ID and checked out who she was.
He then discovered she was a royal pain in the arse and decided to mess her around.
Not ethical but understandable.
You make yourself a target and people will take potshots at you.
Not ethical, but UNDERSTANDABLE ??!! Care to explain that ?? Are you justifying the cop's actions ??
" Hey, man, it's totally cool for a cop to act a certain way. Especially when dealing with people that are labeled as " undesirables ". "
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Not ethical, but UNDERSTANDABLE ??!! Care to explain that ?? Are you justifying the cop's actions ??
" Hey, man, it's totally cool for a cop to act a certain way. Especially when dealing with people that are labeled as " undesirables ". "
No, Im not justifying the cops actions, jesus what is it about peoples comprehension skills on this forum.
I can understand how someone would act that way when his colleagues have had their time wasted by some asswipe.
I have worked with people in law enforcement and I can tell you now, they treat persistant offenders differently than they do people they dont know.
Perhaps bigmc as a former police officer can back me on this.
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No, Im not justifying the cops actions, jesus what is it about peoples comprehension skills on this forum.
I can understand how someone would act that way when his colleagues have had their time wasted by some asswipe.
I have worked with people in law enforcement and I can tell you now, they treat persistant offenders differently than they do people they dont know.
Perhaps bigmc as a former police officer can back me on this.
First and foremost, my comprehension skills are just fine. Secondly, your above post is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read in my life. Or, at the very least, pretty damn close.
Cops are ... say it with me now ... public ... servants. Their job is to ... protect and serve. Not to bully ... not to push ... not to over exert their authority ... and, most certainly not, treat people that they judge and / or assume to be " asswhipes " like garbage.
Again, it is their job. We are to hold them in high regard. The are to hold themselves in high regard. And, in doing so, they are expected to show calmness and professionalism at all times. It does not matter if the so called person is an " asswhipe ". A police officer is expected to treat that person the same way they would anyone. Plain and simple. It is their job. And WE pay them to do it.
And, for your information ( and as a example ), I can name 3 times where I was pulled over and treated like donkey shit for no reason. And I was polite as could be. With a clean record as well. ;)
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First and foremost, my comprehension skills are just fine. Secondly, your above post is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read in my life. Or, at the very least, pretty damn close.
Cops are ... say it with me now ... public ... servants. Their job is to ... protect and serve. Not to bully ... not to push ... not to over exert their authority ... and, most certainly not, treat people that they judge and / or assume to be " asswhipes ".
Again, it is their job. We are to hold them in high regard. The are to hold themselves in high regard. And, in doing so, they are expected to show calmness and professionalism at all times. It does not matter if the so called person is an " asswhipe ". A police officer is expected to treat that person the same way they would anyone. Plain and simple. It is their job. And WE pay them to do it.
And, for your information ( and as a example ), I can name 3 times where I was pulled over and treated like donkey shit for no reason. And I was polite as could be. With a clean record as well. ;)
You are aware cops are human beings right?
Human beings are genetically flawed.
I live in the real world, I dont live in some make believe world where everything is all fine and dandy.
I myself have never had an issue with a police officer where it went tits up, they have always responded in a way that was appropriate to the situation.
People who have issues with cops almost always have initiated the situation when you press them to elaborate, Im not goping to in your case as you come across as holier than thou on here so I dont need to.
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You are aware cops are human beings right?
Human beings are genetically flawed.
I live in the real world, I dont live in some make believe world where everything is all fine and dandy.
I myself have never had an issue with a police officer where it went tits up, they have always responded in a way that was appropriate to the situation.
People who have issues with cops almost always have initiated the situation when you press them to elaborate, Im not goping to in your case as you come across as holier than thou on here so I dont need to.
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Well aware police officers are human beings. Yes, they make mistakes. Conducting oneself properly is not asking too much of a human being. Is it ? Doing your JOB , generally, is not asking too much of a human being. Is it ? Especially when your job is one of pride, that many wear like a BADGE of honor. Again, we hold police officers in high regard, as their job is too, ONCE AGAIN, protect and serve. And only the " best " are chosen to do that job.
And please don't assume I live in a make believe world, BT. I, much like yourself, in the real world as well. Just with my own set of beliefs, opinions, and experiences. Which, OBVIOUSLY lol, differ from yours by a WHOLE LOT lol. I dare say that you are sheltered in some ways ...
In regards to other areas of your post, I, too, have seen police officers respond appropriately in various scenarios. But, I've also seen the opposite ... them abandoning all logic, and running on pure ego and emotions. Very dangerous, given that they posess weapons and the like, as I'm sure you would agree ?
And the whole " People who have issues ... " is such bullshit. It's words like that, that come out of your mouth, that lead me to believe that you haven't really experienced much.
And again with your ASSuming, assuming that I am holier than art thou. Far from it, my friend. I'm not even sure how you come to a conclusion like that. Because I stated that I've been treated like shit for no reason by law enforcement ? I know many that have. Are we ALL " holier than art thou " ? Perhaps, we are all lying ?
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Well aware police officers are human beings. Yes, they make mistakes. Conducting oneself properly is not asking too much of a human being. Is it ? Doing your JOB , generally, is not asking too much of a human being. Is it ? Especially when your job is one of pride, that many wear like a BADGE of honor. Again, we hold police officers in high regard, as their job is too, ONCE AGAIN, protect and serve. And only the " best " are chosen to do that job.
And please don't assume I live in a make believe world, BT. I, much like yourself, in the real world as well. Just with my own set of beliefs, opinions, and experiences. Which, OBVIOUSLY lol, differ from yours by a WHOLE LOT lol. I dare say that you are sheltered in some ways ...
In regards to other areas of your post, I, too, have seen police officers respond appropriately in various scenarios. But, I've also seen the opposite ... them abandoning all logic, and running on pure ego and emotions. Very dangerous, given that they posess weapons and the like, as I'm sure you would agree ?
And the whole " People who have issues ... " is such bullshit. It's words like that, that come out of your mouth, that lead me to believe that you haven't really experienced much.
And again with your ASSuming, assuming that I am holier than art thou. Far from it, my friend. I'm not even sure how you come to a conclusion like that. Because I stated that I've been treated like shit for no reason by law enforcement ? I know many that have. Are we ALL " holier than art thou " ? Perhaps, we are all lying ?
I take it you have never had a position of authority ever in your life
Even managers in business treat fuckwits who work for them differently.
I worked in a position where i was responsible for security, I knew the regular assholes who caused trouble and gave them short shrift, why try and be civil and reasonable when you know from experience it doesn't work
I meet people for the first time and was polite and courteous, if they weren't, they they moved on.
Next time I wasn't polite and courteous , they just go immediately.
And yoiu think its me thats sheltered?
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I take it you have never had a position of authority ever in your life
Even managers in business treat fuckwits who work for them differently.
I worked in a position where i was responsible for security, I knew the regular assholes who caused trouble and gave them short shrift, why try and be civil and reasonable when you know from experience it doesn't work
I meet people for the first time and was polite and courteous, if they weren't, they they moved on.
Next time I wasn't polite and courteous , they just go immediately.
And yoiu think its me thats sheltered?
I managed a large gym ( roughly 700 members or so ) from the time I was 19 -24. Then I went on to become a Union President of a transportation company for roughly 4 year or so. Both jobs required me to deal and manage all types of people and all walks of life.
I'm sorry, you were saying something ?
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Not ethical, but UNDERSTANDABLE ??!! Care to explain that ?? Are you justifying the cop's actions ??
" Hey, man, it's totally cool for a cop to act a certain way. Especially when dealing with people that are labeled as " undesirables ". "
He's not defending it (the behavior) but it is understandable WHY it happened.
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He's not defending it (the behavior) but it is understandable WHY it happened.
Well, that I understand PERFECTLY and agree with 100 %. :)
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When dealing with the police (regardless of where you are in the world), try stay calm and do not try to agitate someone unnecessarily.
Try not to puch any buttons.
It can be a very smooth affair if you comply (within the boundaries of the law).
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When dealing with the police (regardless of where you are in the world), try stay calm and do not try to agitate someone unnecessarily.
Try not to puch any buttons.
It can be a very smooth affair if you comply (within the boundaries of the law).
Can be difficult not to agitate someone who is already agitated to begin with, my friend. As has been seen in various YouTube videos regarding law enforcement.
But I get the gist of what your sayin.
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I agree with your point..I too think he was butthurt over what transpired...but she is obviously anti-authority..and you can tell she was very good at agitating the cop..its something she does a lot...with cops, boyfriends, family, strangers, etc ..she never actually stopped talking, not for a second.....when someone goes on and on and on like her it does tend to get you frustrated...I think we have all had a girlfriend or two like her ;D
Very objective post Andre.
Also, to all of you blaming the cop, I will say it again, this cop being a dick was not the reason she killed herself. Mental illness was the reason.
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I managed a large gym ( roughly 700 members or so ) from the time I was 19 -24. Then I went on to become a Union President of a transportation company for roughly 4 year or so. Both jobs required me to deal and manage all types of people and all walks of life.
I'm sorry, you were saying something ?
Great so as a manager of one of these gyms a member who standing at the counter being a pain in the ass and winding you up, keep asking questions after you had answered them 20 times you would treat exactly the same as a new member?
Take as long as you like to answer.
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Great so as a manager of one of these gyms a member who standing at the counter being a pain in the ass and winding you up, keep asking questions after you had answered them 20 times you would treat exactly the same as a new member?
Take as long as you like to answer.
Yes. Because, I'm a professonal and it is my job to act as such. And, in the end, as annoying as this person may be, they put money both into my paycheck and gym. Which serves a great purpose.
Short story ... had a younger gentlemen give me nothing but lip one day because I wouldn't allow him to workout for free. I kept my cool, spoke to him calmly, and remained non aggressive. Eventually, after the unnecessary drama, he paid. 7 days later the guy walks back into my gym and immediately apologizes for his actions. And that happened quite a few times ( not all the time, mind you ) during my stay there.
Hopefully, that answers your question ? Which took me all of 2 seconds to think about answering.
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Yes. Because, I'm a professonal and it is my job to act as such. And, in the end, as annoying as this person may be, they put money both into my paycheck and gym. Which serves a great purpose.
Short story ... had a younger gentlemen give me nothing but lip one day because I wouldn't allow him to workout for free. I kept my cool, spoke to him calmly, and remained non aggressive. Eventually, after the unnecessary drama, he paid. 7 days later the guy walks back into my gym and immediately apologizes for his actions. And that happened quite a few times ( not all the time, mind you ) during my stay there.
Hopefully, that answers your question ? Which took me all of 2 seconds to think about answering.
I thought you might write that.
Never mind.
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I thought you might write that.
Never mind.
Wonderful ! :)
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Yes. Because, I'm a professonal and it is my job to act as such. And, in the end, as annoying as this person may be, they put money both into my paycheck and gym. Which serves a great purpose.
Short story ... had a younger gentlemen give me nothing but lip one day because I wouldn't allow him to workout for free. I kept my cool, spoke to him calmly, and remained non aggressive. Eventually, after the unnecessary drama, he paid. 7 days later the guy walks back into my gym and immediately apologizes for his actions. And that happened quite a few times ( not all the time, mind you ) during my stay there.
Hopefully, that answers your question ? Which took me all of 2 seconds to think about answering.
That's how a Manager should act in every situation!
Well done ID!
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That's how a Manager should act in every situation!
Well done ID!
See, he met a guy once and he was an asshole, next time he was fine.
Now, lets get back to persistent assholes, which was the point of the thread.
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That's how a Manager should act in every situation!
Well done ID!
Thank you, Kwon. I agree.
It's like my father says, " Excited people don't think. And thinking people don't get excited. " ;)
See, he met a guy once and he was an asshole, next time he was fine.
Now, lets get back to persistent assholes, which was the point of the thread.
Re-read my post, please. Thank you.
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Thank you, Kwon. I agree.
It's like my father says, " Excited people don't think. And thinking people don't get excited. " ;)
Re-read my post, please. Thank you.
So the guy was an asshole and apologised a number of times and you kept letting him back in?
Did you not think about the effect this part time asshole might have on the other members of your gym?
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So the guy was an asshole and apologised a number of times and you kept letting him back in?
Did you not think about the effect this part time asshole might have on the other members of your gym?
And you questioned MY comprehension skills a page back ? Whew ! Pot calling the kettle black, eh ?
Okay ............ let's try this again. The gentlemen was an asshole ONE day ... and not an asshole the next. Was he persistent, however, that day ? Absolutely, he was. Much like a civilian might be towards a police officer. I was hoping you might make the connection in the example that I provided you. Perhaps, I give you too much credit ...
And, as stated in my post, I have dealt with persistent assholes MANY times. I cannot ( and will not ) provide you an example for each. Am hoping you'll just take my word for it.
Okay .... your turn.
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And you questioned MY comprehension skills a page back ? Whew ! Pot calling the kettle black, eh ?
Okay ............ let's try this again. The gentlemen was an asshole ONE day ... and not an asshole the next. Was he persistent, however, that day ? Absolutely, he was. Much like a civilian might be towards a police officer. I was hoping you might make the connection in the example that I provided you. Perhaps, I give you too much credit ...
And, as stated in my post, I have dealt with persistent assholes MANY times. I cannot ( and will not ) provide you an example for each. Am hoping you'll just take my word for it.
Okay .... your turn.
Right, lets relate it to the topic at hand
Sandra Bland had a record on file for being a pain in the ass wasting police time.
Now, do you think it beyond the realms of believability that this cop decided to fuck her around because of that?
Not saying he should, but its understandable.
As such it would be understandable for you to chuck out a persistent asshole in your gym.
Cops do treat persistent offenders differently that the rest of society, its how humans are.
Do door security staff treat persistent trouble makers differently, yes of course.
Did you ever ban anyone from your gym?
If so what for?
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Right, lets relate it to the topic at hand
Sandra Bland had a record on file for being a pain in the ass wasting police time.
Now, do you think it beyond the realms of believability that this cop decided to fuck her around because of that?
Not saying he should, but its understandable.
As such it would be understandable for you to chuck out a persistent asshole in your gym.
Cops do treat persistent offenders differently that the rest of society, its how humans are.
Do door security staff treat persistent trouble makers differently, yes of course.
Did you ever ban anyone from your gym?
If so what for?
With all due respect, I find you to be dull and quite boring. I bow out of this thread.
Take care, my friend :)
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With all due respect, I find you to be dull and quite boring. I bow out of this thread.
Take care, my friend :)
Translated as "Fuck me ,your point has just dawned on me".
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Translated as "Fuck me ,your point has just dawned on me".
I'm not an egotistical nor prideful man. So, no, you are incorrect. I really do find you to be dull and quite boring lol. Sorry, man. I've just grown tired of repeating myself like some Parrot.
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Grand jury decides against indictments in Sandra Bland case
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/us/sandra-bland-no-indictments/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/us/sandra-bland-no-indictments/)
(CNN)—A grand jury has decided not to indict anyone in the case of Sandra Bland, whose death in police custody raised questions of excessive force and the role of race.
The grand jury met for more than eight hours Monday.
"After reviewing all the evidence in the death of Sandra Bland, a Waller grand jury did not return an indictment in the death of Bland, nor were any indictments returned against any employee of the Waller County Jail," said Darrell Jordan, a special prosecutor handling the case.
The grand jury will reconvene in January to consider other indictments.
Bland, an African-American woman, was found dead in her cell three days after she was arrested for allegedly failing to use her turn signal on July 10. She was 28.
Officials in Waller County, Texas, have said she hanged herself with a plastic bag. Her family and others have questioned that account.
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Grand jury decides against indictments in Sandra Bland case
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/us/sandra-bland-no-indictments/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/us/sandra-bland-no-indictments/)
(CNN)—A grand jury has decided not to indict anyone in the case of Sandra Bland, whose death in police custody raised questions of excessive force and the role of race.
The grand jury met for more than eight hours Monday.
"After reviewing all the evidence in the death of Sandra Bland, a Waller grand jury did not return an indictment in the death of Bland, nor were any indictments returned against any employee of the Waller County Jail," said Darrell Jordan, a special prosecutor handling the case.
The grand jury will reconvene in January to consider other indictments.
Bland, an African-American woman, was found dead in her cell three days after she was arrested for allegedly failing to use her turn signal on July 10. She was 28.
Officials in Waller County, Texas, have said she hanged herself with a plastic bag. Her family and others have questioned that account.
about right..
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@ Meso,
The problems are bigger than simple racism. It's stupidity and ignorance. People are stupid enough to believe this can never happen to them and ignorant enough to believe our constitutional rights should be two-tiered.
No one will ever admit the police are out of control until this happens to enough white people.
As for people saying she wouldn't have gone to jail if putting out the cigarette or shutting the fuck up is either not a minority or has never dealt with an asshole cop.
Last week, I was in BedStuy and a guy told me about this. He was leaving a Bodega, drinking diet Pepsi that was bagged. Cop asked to see what was in the bag and he declined. After pushing the issue he complied but commented that the bag's contents were none of the cop's business. Cop saw the Diet Pepsi and arrested him for something along the lines of Obstruction explaining "Now you'll see what happens to wise guys". This was a guy with no criminal record who ended up spending a night in "The Tombs" calling friends and family to get bail. Now he figures showing cops anything they ask for is the only way to limit harassment.... that's bullshit and law abiding American Citizens shouldn't be intimidated into giving up their 4th amendment rights.
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Im confused... why was she pulled over again?
Why was she taken to jail?
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Im confused... why was she pulled over again?
Why was she taken to jail?
I have no clue and no idea where to look to find that info
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I have no clue and no idea where to look to find that info
cool....
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I'm confused. Why did she kill herself and why do dindus think there is some sort of conspiracy afoot?
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I'm confused. Why did she kill herself and why do dindus think there is some sort of conspiracy afoot?
no clue... i was wondering what the stop and arrest was for
i heard it was a blinker... but then i said "shit naw, police have better things to do than pull over someone because of a failure to signal"...
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Although I'm not happy with officer harassing her over a blinker and letting it escalate, I have to say that I really believe Sandra was mentally ill and troubled......when a police officer stops you, you should follow the officer's directions and do what he asks you to do.....The officer should have just given her the ticket and left...who needs this bullshit???????
Sandra Bland escalated the argument by yelling at the officer and questioning his right to stop her.......she refused to get out of the car....you just can't do that...I sympathize with her being dead but I definitely know that officers can turn into assholes and will arrest you just to ge4t back at you for giving them a hard time.
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@ Meso,
The problems are bigger than simple racism. It's stupidity and ignorance. People are stupid enough to believe this can never happen to them and ignorant enough to believe our constitutional rights should be two-tiered.
No one will ever admit the police are out of control until this happens to enough white people.
As for people saying she wouldn't have gone to jail if putting out the cigarette or shutting the fuck up is either not a minority or has never dealt with an asshole cop.
Last week, I was in BedStuy and a guy told me about this. He was leaving a Bodega, drinking diet Pepsi that was bagged. Cop asked to see what was in the bag and he declined. After pushing the issue he complied but commented that the bag's contents were none of the cop's business. Cop saw the Diet Pepsi and arrested him for something along the lines of Obstruction explaining "Now you'll see what happens to wise guys". This was a guy with no criminal record who ended up spending a night in "The Tombs" calling friends and family to get bail. Now he figures showing cops anything they ask for is the only way to limit harassment.... that's bullshit and law abiding American Citizens shouldn't be intimidated into giving up their 4th amendment rights.
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Although I'm not happy with officer harassing her over a blinker and letting it escalate, I have to say that I really believe Sandra was mentally ill and troubled......when a police officer stops you, you should follow the officer's directions and do what he asks you to do.....The officer should have just given her the ticket and left...who needs this bullshit???????
Sandra Bland escalated the argument by yelling at the officer and questioning his right to stop her.......she refused to get out of the car....you just can't do that...I sympathize with her being dead but I definitely know that officers can turn into assholes and will arrest you just to ge4t back at you for giving them a hard time.
Do you think she committed suicide?
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@ Meso,
The problems are bigger than simple racism. It's stupidity and ignorance. People are stupid enough to believe this can never happen to them and ignorant enough to believe our constitutional rights should be two-tiered.
No one will ever admit the police are out of control until this happens to enough white people.
As for people saying she wouldn't have gone to jail if putting out the cigarette or shutting the fuck up is either not a minority or has never dealt with an asshole cop.
Last week, I was in BedStuy and a guy told me about this. He was leaving a Bodega, drinking diet Pepsi that was bagged. Cop asked to see what was in the bag and he declined. After pushing the issue he complied but commented that the bag's contents were none of the cop's business. Cop saw the Diet Pepsi and arrested him for something along the lines of Obstruction explaining "Now you'll see what happens to wise guys". This was a guy with no criminal record who ended up spending a night in "The Tombs" calling friends and family to get bail. Now he figures showing cops anything they ask for is the only way to limit harassment.... that's bullshit and law abiding American Citizens shouldn't be intimidated into giving up their 4th amendment rights.
Has it ever occurred to you that AA's are paranoid and hyper sensitive? These are my observations and I used to be a Liberal who believed that Blacks could do no wrong...
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Do you think she committed suicide?
Yeah I do.....I can't see an officer killing her...for what?...again, she was mentally ill and depressed... I think...its not good for people who are mentally ill and depressed to spend time in a cell....it just exacerbates the mental illness...
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Yeah I do.....I can't see an officer killing her...for what?...again, she was mentally ill and depressed... I think...its not good for people who are mentally ill and depressed to spend time in a cell....it just exacerbates the mental illness...
Wouldn't be the first time cops hung a black person. Happened to a guy I knew.
Just sayin'.
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Wouldn't be the first time cops hung a black person. Happened to a guy I knew.
Just sayin'.
True.. they could have decided to hang her, after all, she did talk back. or, with past suicide history and what is known about her now, she could have hung herself. It's certainly a toughie and a 50/50 proposition. I guess we'll just never know
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True.. they could have decided to hang her, after all, she did talk back. or, with past suicide history and what is known about her now, she could have hung herself. It's certainly a toughie and a 50/50 proposition. I guess we'll just never know
She could have easily done it out of spite. We'll never know.
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She could have easily done it out of spite. We'll never know.
Yes, I put "what really happened to Sandra Bland" alongside the Pyramids and Stonehenge as one of life's mysteries
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They should have had cameras on that cell...
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Yes, I put "what really happened to Sandra Bland" alongside the Pyramids and Stonehenge as one of life's mysteries
Another great mystery! http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/video-released-of-san-diego-officers-shooting-of-transient/ar-BBnQNYC?ocid=spartandhp
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Another great mystery! http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/video-released-of-san-diego-officers-shooting-of-transient/ar-BBnQNYC?ocid=spartandhp
No mystery there