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This thread is for all things having to do with the man, the myth, the mullet...Harley...
Post your favorite Harley memory here.
Mine was back in 1992 we went to a Michael Bolton look alike contest, where he one first place and two free tickets to see Michael perform in concert. Greatest concert I've ever been to. I personally celebrate the mans entire collection.
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Dear Irongrip400
Thanks for starting this thread.
Rascal full
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Dear Irongrip400
Thanks for starting this thread.
Rascal full
10 pages by tomorrow ;D
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My favorite memory was when Harley was oiling Craig Richardsons glutes backstage, and Basile and myself were peeking behind the curtain watching.
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Bow tie warrior of peace
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My favorite memory was when Harley was oiling Craig Richardsons glutes backstage, and Basile and myself were peeking behind the curtain watching.
Did you ask him to "peel"?
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Bow tie warrior of peace
(http://www.northjersey.com/polopoly_fs/1.1050368.1405184148!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_650/071314-breite-dngcm-jpg.jpg)
hahahah
this one is classic
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Dear Irongrip400,
Given that I don't drink, I am pretty sure I would've remembered both you and the Michael Bolton affair.
Having said that, I am more than happy to answer and questions or give my opinions should anyone ask.
Given that I have been both friend and Training Partner to IFBB Pro Craig Richardson for the past continuous 17 years,
I've seen quite a few things from the other side of the "yellow tape."
The fact that I have no affiliation with any judges or supplement companies should elevate my level of truthfulness as I don't sit
prostrate to anyone in the world of bodybuilding. I am not here to promote Craig or myself and I have nothing for sale.
I even created a post inviting everyone here for a free Craig Richardson Training Session, Seminar and Lunch. Yes, all of it for free, including lunch.
It's been my privilege to see all that I have since becoming fascinated with the sport at the age of 12. I've trained with many top competitors
before meeting Craig and I was fortunate enough to stay quiet, learn as much as I could and ask just enough questions.
I came to Get Big because I love bodybuilding and wanted to learn more. Your insights, practice and knowledge are quite helpful and interesting.
I thought I could contribute in a somewhat unique yet brutally honest way.
I hope to be well received and stay a very long time and make some great associations.
Sincerely,
Harley
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hahahah
this one is classic
check out goodrum trying to listen in on the gossip to inform getbig first before the interview ends
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Dear Irongrip400,
Given that I don't drink, I am pretty sure I would've remembered both you and the Michael Bolton affair.
Having said that, I am more than happy to answer and questions or give my opinions should anyone ask.
Given that I have been both friend and Training Partner to IFBB Pro Craig Richardson for the past continuous 17 years,
I've seen quite a few things from the other side of the "yellow tape."
The fact that I have no affiliation with any judges or supplement companies should elevate my level of truthfulness as I don't sit
prostrate to anyone in the world of bodybuilding. I am not here to promote Craig or myself and I have nothing for sale.
I even created a post inviting everyone here for a free Craig Richardson Training Session, Seminar and Lunch. Yes, all of it for free, including lunch.
It's been my privilege to see all that I have since becoming fascinated with the sport at the age of 12. I've trained with many top competitors
before meeting Craig and I was fortunate enough to stay quiet, learn as much as I could and ask just enough questions.
I came to Get Big because I love bodybuilding and wanted to learn more. Your insights, practice and knowledge are quite helpful and interesting.
I thought I could contribute in a somewhat unique yet brutally honest way.
I hope to be well received and stay a very long time and make some great associations.
Sincerely,
Harley
Are there things?
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Bow tie warrior of peace
(http://www.northjersey.com/polopoly_fs/1.1050368.1405184148!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_650/071314-breite-dngcm-jpg.jpg)
Robbie Robinson looks pissed here.
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Did you ask him to "peel"?
Yes, I asked Basile to peel for me and he did.
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I'm not even sure of what's going on. So, a gimmick is pretending to be some semi-famous lawyer?
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Harley ever used roid rage as a defence strategy in a murder case?
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I am not pretending to be anything and I am not a semi-famous lawyer.
I never once posted a pic of me as a lawyer. I just came on board to talk bodybuilding.
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I'm not even sure of what's going on. So, a gimmick is pretending to be some semi-famous lawyer?
Indeed
he is stating he is this lawyer, that is defending the man that killed his friend by beating him to death with a dumbell so says the story below
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/n-man-admits-beating-friend-death-dumbbell-article-1.2312728 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/n-man-admits-beating-friend-death-dumbbell-article-1.2312728)
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Harley ever used roid rage as a defence strategy in a murder case?
LMAO!!! ;D ;D
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Dear Rascal Full,
I never saw the defense of "roid rage" as a viable option for any of my clients.
First, I would have to concede that my client engaged in the purchase and use of an illegal substance (provided he
didn't have a prescription). Once you concede that, you lose quite a bit of credibility with a jury.
Also, I never really wanted to inject my client's use of steroids into a defense once the public went crazy after the whole
A-Rod incident. The general public is just not ready to accept the hard cold truths of science and the realization of the dilapidation of the
human body as we age.
One day, society will become more enlightened and the drug companies will better produce the substances that will help defray the detriments
of aging, injury, muscle decay and decreased libido.
Harley
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Indeed
he is stating he is this lawyer, that is defending the man that killed his friend by beating him to death with a dumbell so says the story below
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/n-man-admits-beating-friend-death-dumbbell-article-1.2312728 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/n-man-admits-beating-friend-death-dumbbell-article-1.2312728)
Oh I see. Got it.
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Dear Nails,
It has already been concluded that I am in fact, the lawyer who represented that guy who killed his boyfriend with the 25 pound dumbbell.
I was hoping to move on to more interesting bodybuilding topics but you can do the research here on GetBig.
Still can't figure out why anyone would go on a site, claim they are someone else (someone who isn't famous or even has a good physique) when
all you guys are computer and internet experts and can expose the imposter in seconds.
If I were going to pose as someone else, it would be a guy with a great build who leads a stress free life.
Harley
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Harley, why are you wearing a pink tanktop?
(http://s28.postimg.org/b8u2dwyrx/Screen_Shot_2015_08_18_at_11_20_47_PM.png)
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I am not pretending to be anything and I am not a semi-famous lawyer.
I never once posted a pic of me as a lawyer. I just came on board to talk bodybuilding.
I'm not trying to offend you. but we have so many fake profiles on here... it's unbelievable.
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Dear SF1900,
I really don't worry about the color of my tank tops too much. When I reached down into my drawer and grabbed it,
I didn't think the pink meant anything but that it was clean and ready to wear for that day.
I wear pink ties sometimes. My MMA Coach (Sean "Shorty Rock" Santella) dyes his hair pink.
I don't judge a man by the color of his clothes or hair. I don't give it much thought.
Also, when I go to the gym I don't think much about my sense of fashion. I dress like a bum but that was a video shoot
and they asked that I wear a tank top.
Harley
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Harley, why are you wearing a pink tanktop?
(http://s28.postimg.org/b8u2dwyrx/Screen_Shot_2015_08_18_at_11_20_47_PM.png)
Pink tank Pink bow tie of peace
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Dear El Numero Uno,
I wasn't offended but we went through this on the first thread about my client killing his lover with the dumbbell.
I even received a call from one of the site's owners.
All these guys have verified it or by now, I would have been completely annihilated and crushed.
I am a computer idiot and give full disclosure and am "audit ready" at any time.
You need thick skin to write on this site so I am prepared to do my best.
I presume you speak Spanish. My first language was German. I speak Spanish and Portuguese. I have an interest in learning languages too.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
I really don't worry about the color of my tank tops too much. When I reached down into my drawer and grabbed it,
I didn't think the pink meant anything but that it was clean and ready to wear for that day.
I wear pink ties sometimes. My MMA Coach (Sean "Shorty Rock" Santella) dyes his hair pink.
I don't judge a man by the color of his clothes or hair. I don't give it much thought.
Also, when I go to the gym I don't think much about my sense of fashion. I dress like a bum but that was a video shoot
and they asked that I wear a tank top.
Harley
Harley, I think you look very sophisticated with your long grey/white hair and pink tanktop.
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Dear El Numero Uno,
I wasn't offended but we went through this on the first thread about my client killing his lover with the dumbbell.
I even received a call from one of the site's owners.
All these guys have verified it or by now, I would have been completely annihilated and crushed.
I am a computer idiot and give full disclosure and am "audit ready" at any time.
You need thick skin to write on this site so I am prepared to do my best.
I presume you speak Spanish. My first language was German. I speak Spanish and Portuguese. I have an interest in learning languages too.
Harley
Awesome. As you said, you need thick skin if you're planning to stay on here for a while. It's really cool you can speak 4 languages, I barely speak 2, :D I've been practicing french but I'm not really motivated right now.
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Dear El Numero Uno,
At the risk of opening a bad can of worms, I can also read and write Hebrew.
Learning a language is a difficult task and there are different levels of fluency.
Once you have the motivation, it is akin to achieving any other goal in that it requires time
and practice and the discipline to provide yourself with those elements.
I wish I had more discipline to achieve all my goals. I've been struggling with the piano for the past 6 years.
I will include all my struggles in the documentary I am filming about me, Craig and Sean Santella.
Harley
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Harley, have you ever met the Mayor of Bodybuilding?
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Harley I read that you got mad at Dorian and tried to fight him. Sounded like an awkward situation.
What precisely was it that upset you so much?
In hindsight, what would you do differently if anything at all?
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Harley, have you ever met the Mayor of Bodybuilding?
I think Harley indirectly answered this
Harley, you are at a well known hotel in Las Vegas, the receptionist sees you and gives you the choice of 2 rooms, room 6 and room 7, which do you choose?
Dear Army of One,
You asked me a question "Harley, you are at a well known hotel in Las Vegas, the receptionist sees you and gives you the choice of 2 rooms, room 6 and room 7, which do you choose?"
I must admit your question spooked me a bit as I just now returned home from Las Vegas, where I took my family for a short vacation. I thought perhaps GetBig had cameras in the
Check In section of the hotel. What a coincidence.
To answer your question in what I would imagine is true GetBig format, I respond by saying, "Listen wench, I need both rooms. Room 6 is where you will meet me in 20 minutes to bath me, satisfy me and bring me a sandwich when I am finished.
Room 7 is where you will lay out my clothes, turn my tv on and then leave me alone.
Harley
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who might you back for president, harley? most likely
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So harley what is tve crazyest roid schedule you have ever heard of a pro doing?
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Harley is a stand up guy , a man of substance and action,a global citizen and renaissance man.
Harley, take all these getbig shenanigans with a 50kg sack of salt.
getbig should be appreciative that a guy with your BB experience and knowledge is here and hopefully you will stay and give us more "inside" stories and knowledge!
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Harley seems like a good dude, glad he's here. :)
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Lord Jesus,
I pray that a situation never arises on getbig, whereby Harely Breite has a difference of opinion to Pellius. Amen.
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Black Lives would truly matter if they were represented by Harley!
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Dear El Numero Uno,
At the risk of opening a bad can of worms, I can also read and write Hebrew.
Learning a language is a difficult task and there are different levels of fluency.
Once you have the motivation, it is akin to achieving any other goal in that it requires time
and practice and the discipline to provide yourself with those elements.
I wish I had more discipline to achieve all my goals. I've been struggling with the piano for the past 6 years.
I will include all my struggles in the documentary I am filming about me, Craig and Sean Santella.
Harley
Dear Harley,
Just to add to the Getbig confusion, "Hebrew" is a synonym for "African American" here. Blame Wiggs, and his insistance that blacks are the original Israelites.
When you said that you "spoke Hebrew", most people just assumed that meant that you could speak and understand (no writing) Ebonics to better serve your diverse clientele.
_aj_
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Harley is an interesting guy - it's good to have him here!
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Dear AJ,
Thank you for helping me with my confusion over the word "Hebrew".
My ability to read and write the language of a people from over 5,700 years ago is of no help in my professional
career.
However, speaking Spanish and Portuguese is of great service to many of my clients.
Mr. Turbo asked why I had issue with Dorian and I would prefer to just have you find that old post rather than my
having to type out that whole thing again. I am not unwilling to discuss it if you like but it's a long story to re-type.
Mr. Turbo also asked if I would do anything differently in that Dorian situation. While I am not a proponent for street-
fighting and I vehemently oppose bullying, I wish I could be more mature and say if it happened again I would for sure not
challenge him to walk outside. I am older now and hopefully a bit more mature and wiser so I would like to think I would just
verbally insult him in front of all those guys and then get up and leave the table. It was really my own Father's experiences that
led me to have such a visceral reaction to Dorian's opinions and the foul mouth, disrespectful and ignorant way in which he
expressed them.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
While I am hesitant to discuss politics, I did promise to answer all reasonable questions and yours was "Who would
you back for President?"
I am not a fan of labels but if you had to put my views somewhere, I guess I would be a Libertarian.
As I previously wrote, I hate and distrust the government. They cheat, lie and are racist. They interfere in any manner they
can with one's ability to enjoy a quiet and peaceful existence. They require a license or permit to practically take oxygen into our lungs.
I am disgusted with all politicians, especially those who serve one term and then receive a life-long pension.
So, to answer your question, if left with no other choice, I would vote for Donald Trump in the hope that he would stick it China's ass
with taxes and embargos. I would hope he wouldn't sign dangerously stupid deals with Iran and most of all, I would hope our President
isn't more concerned with collateral damage and political correctness than he is with killing anyone who is exercising or planning serious harm to America.
Harley
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Harley, why are you wearing a pink tanktop?
(http://s28.postimg.org/b8u2dwyrx/Screen_Shot_2015_08_18_at_11_20_47_PM.png)
Harley looks Native American Indian in some pics like the one above.
Good head of hair no doubt.
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Harley
You have replaced goodrum as the industry insider
We are happy you are here
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É uma honra ter o Harley Breite no Getbig.
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Every true getbigger needs to own the 2004 BFTO DVD
Harley trains chest with Craig Richardson. When I watch it; I pretend that Harley is the one that is training for the Olympia (not Craig).
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I wouldn't say I have "replaced" anyone.
There are so many different people gathering information in different manners that
we all end up helping each other.
I was disappointed in having to reveal that Gaspari hasn't paid Frankie Edgar because Frankie
is a very kool and humble guy. I believe he will be in my documentary if all goes well.
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Harley,
As a German Jew, how do you feel about the propensity of members on this site to post pics of Der Führer?
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Hey Guys,
The BFTO shoots are really kind of fun. Craig used to tell the Japanese guy who did it (his nickname escapes me right now but he was very nice)
that we weren't going to change anything in the workout. This shocked him as he confessed to all the little things the other pros did to make themselves
look better just for the shoot.
My favorite BFTO was the one we shot at Bev Francis' Gym in Long Island in which we did legs. Steve's weights, the metal ones, are actually just a tad
heavier than they read. It's true. No excuses as to our poundages, just a little true fact.
Harley
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Dear Irongrip400,
Technically, my Dad was a Polish Jew which in Poland, was even lower than the lowest class.
I never really understood why a bodybuilding site spends so much time discussing and posting homosexual and racist topics
but I support the right to do so as we live in America.
It has little interest to me as I am not going to change anyone's opinion nor do I even want to try. Each person should think and
live as he chooses provided he doesn't trample the free living of others.
If someone were truly interested in Hitler and WWll, I would offer William Shire's "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich" and Winston Churchill's
"The Gathering Storm" as two of the most incredible and informative books on those subject matters. They were both spell-binding. And they even discuss
homosexuality and racism so it should appeal to everyone.
Harley
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They were both spell-binding. And they even discuss
homosexuality and racism so it should appeal to everyone.
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(http://movie-dude.co.uk/Iron%20Eyes%20Cody%20%20'The%20Crying%20Indian'%20(1975).jpg)
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(http://movie-dude.co.uk/Iron%20Eyes%20Cody%20%20'The%20Crying%20Indian'%20(1975).jpg)
Harley is about to shape shift in this picture, Jacob is in danger.
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I like this Harley dude.
Don't agree with everything he says, but so what? He's intelligent, measured in his communication and friendly.
Cheers to Harley.
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Harley, do you know if that video of Craig's training session from the other week is online yet?
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Dear AJ,
Thank you for helping me with my confusion over the word "Hebrew".
My ability to read and write the language of a people from over 5,700 years ago is of no help in my professional
career.
However, speaking Spanish and Portuguese is of great service to many of my clients.
Mr. Turbo asked why I had issue with Dorian and I would prefer to just have you find that old post rather than my
having to type out that whole thing again. I am not unwilling to discuss it if you like but it's a long story to re-type.
Mr. Turbo also asked if I would do anything differently in that Dorian situation. While I am not a proponent for street-
fighting and I vehemently oppose bullying, I wish I could be more mature and say if it happened again I would for sure not
challenge him to walk outside. I am older now and hopefully a bit more mature and wiser so I would like to think I would just
verbally insult him in front of all those guys and then get up and leave the table. It was really my own Father's experiences that
led me to have such a visceral reaction to Dorian's opinions and the foul mouth, disrespectful and ignorant way in which he
expressed them.
Harley
Pardon me Harley, I'm going to give you the education of your life today so hold on tight.
The real biblical Hebrew Israelites today are in America. You know them as African American and Native Americans. They are the so called "Lost Tribes". African Americans being "Judah" tribe. Meaning Craig Richardson is a real Hebrew.
The people that call themselves "Jew-ish " today are converts. They have no rights to the land of Israel. The original Hebrews are black. Fact! Most of these converts are of European origin. The so called ethnic "Jew-ish" people are the biblical Edomites.
This is all 100% factual info. Hope this helps. I'm sure you may have heard or seen these bearded Hebrews preaching on street corners in Jersey.
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Pardon me Harley, I'm going to give you the education of your life today so hold on tight.
The real biblical Hebrew Israelites today are in America. You know them as African American and Native Americans. They are the so called "Lost Tribes". African Americans being "Judah" tribe. Meaning Craig Richardson is a real Hebrew.
The people that call themselves "Jew-ish " today are converts. They have no rights to the and of Israel. The original Hebrews are black. Fact! Most of these converts are of European origin. The so called ethnic "Jew-ish" people are the biblical Edomites.
This is all 100% factual info. Hope this helps. I'm sure you may have heard or seen these bearded Hebrews preaching on street corners in Jersey.
LMAO!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Pardon me Harley, I'm going to give you the education of your life today so hold on tight.
The real biblical Hebrew Israelites today are in America. You know them as African American and Native Americans. They are the so called "Lost Tribes". African Americans being "Judah" tribe. Meaning Craig Richardson is a real Hebrew.
The people that call themselves "Jew-ish " today are converts. They have no rights to the and of Israel. The original Hebrews are black. Fact! Most of these converts are of European origin. The so called ethnic "Jew-ish" people are the biblical Edomites.
This is all 100% factual info. Hope this helps. I'm sure you may have heard or seen these bearded Hebrews preaching on street corners in Jersey.
Not Africa?
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Not Africa?
There are many there as well. Lets keep in mind that Israel is on the continent of Africa. Israel is in Africa. People like to forget this obvious fact. Same goes for Egypt as well. Africa.
Northeast Africa in particular.
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There are many there as well. Lets keep in mind that Israel is on the continent of Africa. Israel is in Africa. People like to forget this obvious fact. Same goes for Egypt as well. Africa.
Northeast Africa in particular.
What about Asians?
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Dear Irongrip400,
Technically, my Dad was a Polish Jew which in Poland, was even lower than the lowest class.
I never really understood why a bodybuilding site spends so much time discussing and posting homosexual and racist topics
but I support the right to do so as we live in America.
It has little interest to me as I am not going to change anyone's opinion nor do I even want to try. Each person should think and
live as he chooses provided he doesn't trample the free living of others.
If someone were truly interested in Hitler and WWll, I would offer William Shire's "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich" and Winston Churchill's
"The Gathering Storm" as two of the most incredible and informative books on those subject matters. They were both spell-binding. And they even discuss
homosexuality and racism so it should appeal to everyone.
Harley
I've read The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich, it was awesome. The chapter "The Warsaw Ghetto is no more" makes me feel bad for your people, the Edomite as Wiggs said.
I will now get Churchill's book that you suggested.
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There are many there as well. Lets keep in mind that Israel is on the continent of Africa. Israel is in Africa. People like to forget this obvious fact. Same goes for Egypt as well. Africa.
Northeast Africa in particular.
Do you consider what is a Hebrew in your eyes to be any less of a Hebrew if they breed with another race?
Very poorly worded question, I mean the offspring.
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There are many there as well. Lets keep in mind that Israel is on the continent of Africa. Israel is in Africa. People like to forget this obvious fact. Same goes for Egypt as well. Africa.
Northeast Africa in particular.
Israel is Middle East is it not? That's Asia.
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What about Asians?
What would you like to know about them biblically? Who is who? Asians are Japhetic. Japhath was the third son of Noah. The youngest. From Japhath came Europeans and Asians. You all are Japhetic. Fake Jews, real Hebrews and real Arabs are Shemitic and Africans are Hamitic.
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What would you like to know about them biblically? Who is who? Asians are Japhetic. Japhath was the third son of Noah. The youngest. From Japhath came Europeans and Asians. You all are Japhetic. Fake Jews, real Hebrews and real Arabs are Shemitic and Africans are Hamitic.
Fuck yeah! Thanks! Now I can PIP.
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Do you consider what is a Hebrew in your eyes to be any less of a Hebrew if they breed with another race?
Very poorly worded question, I mean the offspring.
No, no. I totally understand your question. Would a "half breed" be considered Hebrew? I don't like to get mixed up in percentages and I definitely would never turn on a brother or a sister because they were less Hebrew. I don't look at that way. I look at it as anyone willing to follow those 10 Commandments and dietary laws and walk this walk in Christ, they are my brother and sister. I'm not going make anything more divisive.
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No, no. I totally understand your question. Would a "half breed" be considered Hebrew? I don't like to get mixed up in percentages and I definitely would never turn on a brother or a sister because they were less Hebrew. I don't look at that way. I look at it as anyone willing to follow those 10 Commandments and dietary laws and walk this walk in Christ, they are my brother and sister. I'm not going make anything more divisive.
I just wonder, because creationists believe we all descend from 2 people. So if anyone is Hebrew we must all be.
Evolutionists believe we all originate from Africa, so if anyone is Hebrew we all must be.
Or if watering down the bloodlines does in fact reduce Hebrew lineage surely a lot of African Americans aren't true Hebrews, since America was colonised, has immigrants of a wide range of races and much mixed race breeding has occurred with African Americans.
I'm left unsure what the parameters for 'true Hebrew' are...
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Pardon me Harley, I'm going to give you the education of your life today so hold on tight.
The real biblical Hebrew Israelites today are in America. You know them as African American and Native Americans. They are the so called "Lost Tribes". African Americans being "Judah" tribe. Meaning Craig Richardson is a real Hebrew.
The people that call themselves "Jew-ish " today are converts. They have no rights to the and of Israel. The original Hebrews are black. Fact! Most of these converts are of European origin. The so called ethnic "Jew-ish" people are the biblical Edomites.
This is all 100% factual info. Hope this helps. I'm sure you may have heard or seen these bearded Hebrews preaching on street corners in Jersey.
This guy is our token black Harvey
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Israel is Middle East is it not? That's Asia.
You are forgetting Pangea. It's all Africa, all the way down.
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I just wonder, because creationists believe we all descend from 2 people. So if anyone is Hebrew we must all be.
Evolutionists believe we all originate from Africa, so if anyone is Hebrew we all must be.
Or if watering down the bloodlines does in fact reduce Hebrew lineage surely a lot of African Americans aren't true Hebrews, since America was colonised, has immigrants of a wide range of races and much mixed race breeding has occurred with African Americans.
I'm left unsure what the parameters for 'true Hebrew' are...
Depends on who's posting. ::)
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Israel is Middle East is it not? That's Asia.
What is the middle east? Where is the middle west, middle south and middle north? This is political.
Taking out the political B.S. and looking at just the facts. Israel and Egypt is on the continent of Africa. In addition, in that so called "Middle East" the original inhabitants are black as well. Not black in the sense of Negro a.k.a. Hebrew (although some of us are there as well from slavery).
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You might have some credibility if you weren't unemployed and a drug user wiggs
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You might have some credibility if you weren't unemployed and a drug user wiggs
I'm not unemployed and I don't use drugs. That's funny coming from a human pin cushion.
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I'm not unemployed and I don't use drugs. That's funny coming from a human pin cushion.
You admitted being a marijuana user
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What is the middle east? Where is the middle west, middle south and middle north? This is political.
Taking out the political B.S. and looking at just the facts. Israel and Egypt is on the continent of Africa. In addition, in that so called "Middle East" the original inhabitants are black as well. Not black in the sense of Negro a.k.a. Hebrew (although some of us are there as well from slavery).
Any thoughts on the Ta-Nehisi Coates' book?
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You admitted being a marijuana user
I'll come at this from two ways. First, marijuana isn't a drug, it's a plant. What you take, that's drugs. Next, I don't smoke pot even close to what I used to. Not even a blip on the map. I'm entirely too busy to do that.
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Any thoughts on the Ta-Nehisi Coates' book?
Never heard of this person or their book.
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Wiggs; Quick question
When your detractors ask you about the lost tribe of Israel, how do you explain to them that this group has been "found". The bible identify's this group (tribe) as being "lost". How do you explain that the "lost tribe" is no longer "lost"?
How do explain the "finding" process? When did the lost Tribe of Israel stop being "lost".
The how & when of the "finding" process must be discussed here at getbig.
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Any thoughts on the Ta-Nehisi Coates' book?
I actually have and have had for some time now, a window on my phone about this guy. I can never get a chance to finish reading it. Fuck him.
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Pardon me Harley, I'm going to give you the education of your life today so hold on tight.
The real biblical Hebrew Israelites today are in America. You know them as African American and Native Americans. They are the so called "Lost Tribes". African Americans being "Judah" tribe. Meaning Craig Richardson is a real Hebrew.
The people that call themselves "Jew-ish " today are converts. They have no rights to the land of Israel. The original Hebrews are black. Fact! Most of these converts are of European origin. The so called ethnic "Jew-ish" people are the biblical Edomites.
This is all 100% factual info. Hope this helps. I'm sure you may have heard or seen these bearded Hebrews preaching on street corners in Jersey.
OY VEY here we go again.
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What is the middle east? Where is the middle west, middle south and middle north? This is political.
Taking out the political B.S. and looking at just the facts. Israel and Egypt is on the continent of Africa. In addition, in that so called "Middle East" the original inhabitants are black as well. Not black in the sense of Negro a.k.a. Hebrew (although some of us are there as well from slavery).
So silly.
Look at this photograph of a first century, Middle Eastern Israeli/Hebrew. Now, honestly, does he look black to you?
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Dear Wiggs,
I apologize for my misunderstanding of "Hebrews" causing so much strife.
"Hebrews," "Blacks," "Asians," to me it's all the same. I don't judge a man by the color of his
skin or from where his great grandparents came.
I prefer to look a person in the eye, hear their words and watch their actions.
I thank you for the history lesson.
Harley
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Dear Wiggs,
I apologize for my misunderstanding of "Hebrews" causing so much strife.
"Hebrews," "Blacks," "Asians," to me it's all the same. I don't judge a man by the color of his
skin or from where his great grandparents came.
I prefer to look a person in the eye, hear their words and watch their actions.
I thank you for the history lesson.
Harley
uh oh, get ready for a wall of text from wiggs. ;D ;D
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Dear Wiggs,
I apologize for my misunderstanding of "Hebrews" causing so much strife.
"Hebrews," "Blacks," "Asians," to me it's all the same. I don't judge a man by the color of his
skin or from where his great grandparents came.
I prefer to look a person in the eye, hear their words and watch their actions.
I thank you for the history lesson.
Harley
Yeah, that's all good and great but these people the African Americans as we're called in our land of captivity don't know our own history...Because it's been hidden from us. You studied a language in which you didn't even know the people on of the descendants being one of your pals being Mr. Richardson.
This has nothing to do with being racist and everything to do with restoring the history, culture and language to a people it was hijacked from. So yes, it's very important. You should pass that onto Craig unless he already knows.
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I thought this was a bodybuilding site
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Dear Wiggs,
I didn't come to GetBig to tell you about all my big fancy diplomas from big fancy schools and all the big fancy books I've read.
I too, know a little bit about history and the lineage of Ethiopian Jews to which you constantly implicitly refer.
Anybody want to talk about bodybuilding?
Harley
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Dear Wiggs,
I didn't come to GetBig to tell you about all my big fancy diplomas from big fancy schools and all the big fancy books I've read.
I too, know a little bit about history and the lineage of Ethiopian Jews to which you constantly implicitly refer.
Anybody want to talk about bodybuilding?
Harley
what do you think of rick collins?
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Yeah, that's all good and great but these people the African Americans as we're called in our land of captivity don't know our own history...Because it's been hidden from us. You studied a language in which you didn't even know the people on of the descendants being one of your pals being Mr. Richardson.
This has nothing to do with being racist and everything to do with restoring the history, culture and language to a people it was hijacked from. So yes, it's very important. You should pass that onto Craig unless he already knows.
I believe it's actually "so called" African Americans. When referring to any group of people make sure and say "so called" before each one. ;D
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Dear Schmoff,
I apologize, but I don't know who Rick Collins is.
Harley
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Dear Schmoff,
I apologize, but I don't know who Rick Collins is.
Harley
http://www.rickcollins.com/
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It seems to me that you're getting very bothered about what I'm talking about and I know why. So lets put our cards on the table.
Your diplomas are meaningless in this exchange.
We are the real Jews and you are the fake ones. So I know why you get all defensive. I wasn't even going there but now I am. I don't care what you read or what school you went to. The truth is the truth even coming from a peasant.
This has nothing to do with Ethiopean Jews. They weren't and aren't the only ISRAELITES in Africa. They we're Israelites in Ethiopia just like we're Israelites in America. They were strangers in that land. They were called Falasha, or "stranger". Same goes for the Lemba, Ashanti and the Heeboes in Nigeria which is where the so called African Americans came from. Slave trade headed up by who? The so called "Jew-ish" people today. Yes! They ran the slave trade, a fact the most don't know. Why? Because it's hidden of course. So they helped to enslave us, then took our identity. This is a fact....There were others in on it as well. Arabs, Africans and Europeans. Everyone benefited.
So while my people maybe physically free, we are still mentally enslaved, why? Because you people persist in keeping our identity as your own at the cost of my people.
I'm pretty sure you didn't learn that in your fancy schmancy schools.
So, you can continue to dodge all my factual statements but know, we know the truth and we're taking our identity back, like it or not. You people are European converts which means you're Japhetic not even Shemitic.
Lets talk bodybuilding.
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Dear Schmoff,
I was unaware of Rick Collins until you sent me his link.
He seems like a very accomplished person in many different fields.
I bet he doesn't sleep more than 6 hours per night.
Harley
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Harley, you are an evil piece of shit because of the color of your skin.... that is what 'Wiggs' would like you to know.
You are the devil - admit it.... and we can all move on.
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Dear Wiggs,
I don't want to mentally enslave you or anyone else.
I apologize if you took offense to any of my comments.
Harley
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Harley, you are an evil piece of shit because of the color of your skin.... that is what 'Wiggs' would like you to know.
You are the devil - admit it.... and we can all move on.
lol
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Dear Wiggs,
I don't want to mentally enslave you or anyone else.
I apologize if you took offense to any of my comments.
Harley
lol...I'll quit trolling you Harley, though everything I said was factual.
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Dear Zillotch,
Would Wiggs consider me only half evil while I am penetrating my wife, who is black?
Harley
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Dear Zillotch,
Would Wiggs consider me only half evil while I am penetrating my wife, who is black?
Harley
I'll tell you this, I'd consider you totally evil if you didn't tell your wife who is black or any children you might have what their true history, culture etc was if you knew. And you now know...
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Dear Wiggs,
I promise to tell my Black Brazilian wife her true history.
Hopefully, we can move on from this in good will.
Harley
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Dear Wiggs,
I promise to tell my Black Brazilian wife her true history.
Hopefully, we can move on from this in good will.
Harley
They are descendants of the transatlantic slave trade as well. How do you think they got there? Lol.
I won't hold my breath.
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So silly.
Look at this photograph of a first century, Middle Eastern Israeli/Hebrew. Now, honestly, does he look black to you?
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We are the real Jews and you are the fake ones. So I know why you get all defensive. I wasn't even going there but now I am. I don't care what you read or what school you went to. The truth is the truth even coming from a peasant.
This has nothing to do with Ethiopean Jews. They weren't and aren't the only ISRAELITES in Africa. They we're Israelites in Ethiopia just like we're Israelites in America. They were strangers in that land. They were called Falasha, or "stranger". Same goes for the Lemba, Ashanti and the Heeboes in Nigeria which is where the so called African Americans came from. Slave trade headed up by who? The so called "Jew-ish" people today. Yes! They ran the slave trade, a fact the most don't know. Why? Because it's hidden of course. So they helped to enslave us, then took our identity. This is a fact....There were others in on it as well. Arabs, Africans and Europeans. Everyone benefited.
So while my people maybe physically free, we are still mentally enslaved, why? Because you people persist in keeping our identity as your own at the cost of my people.
I'm pretty sure you didn't learn that in your fancy schmancy schools.
So, you can continue to dodge all my factual statements but know, we know the truth and we're taking our identity back, like it or not. You people are European converts which means you're Japhetic not even Shemitic.
(http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-o-rly-really-skeptical-yeah-right-GIF.gif)
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Even if European Jews did steal their identity, I'd say the fact that 3-4 million of them getting killed 70 years ago gives them the reason to gripe.
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It seems to me that you're getting very bothered about what I'm talking about and I know why. So lets put our cards on the table.
Your diplomas are meaningless in this exchange.
We are the real Jews and you are the fake ones. So I know why you get all defensive. I wasn't even going there but now I am. I don't care what you read or what school you went to. The truth is the truth even coming from a peasant.
This has nothing to do with Ethiopean Jews. They weren't and aren't the only ISRAELITES in Africa. They we're Israelites in Ethiopia just like we're Israelites in America. They were strangers in that land. They were called Falasha, or "stranger". Same goes for the Lemba, Ashanti and the Heeboes in Nigeria which is where the so called African Americans came from. Slave trade headed up by who? The so called "Jew-ish" people today. Yes! They ran the slave trade, a fact the most don't know. Why? Because it's hidden of course. So they helped to enslave us, then took our identity. This is a fact....There were others in on it as well. Arabs, Africans and Europeans. Everyone benefited.
So while my people maybe physically free, we are still mentally enslaved, why? Because you people persist in keeping our identity as your own at the cost of my people.
I'm pretty sure you didn't learn that in your fancy schmancy schools.
So, you can continue to dodge all my factual statements but know, we know the truth and we're taking our identity back, like it or not. You people are European converts which means you're Japhetic not even Shemitic.
Lets talk bodybuilding.
No one here does stupid like Wiggs does stupid.
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No. As far as "what difference would it make anyway": Wiggs is in the right. I don't know enough to make judgment on it, because I don't trust studying distant history, but you can't say "what difference would it make, anyway". That's ridiculous.
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Dear Las Vegas,
While I am hesitant to discuss politics, I did promise to answer all reasonable questions and yours was "Who would
you back for President?"
I am not a fan of labels but if you had to put my views somewhere, I guess I would be a Libertarian.
As I previously wrote, I hate and distrust the government. They cheat, lie and are racist. They interfere in any manner they
can with one's ability to enjoy a quiet and peaceful existence. They require a license or permit to practically take oxygen into our lungs.
I am disgusted with all politicians, especially those who serve one term and then receive a life-long pension.
So, to answer your question, if left with no other choice, I would vote for Donald Trump in the hope that he would stick it China's ass
with taxes and embargos. I would hope he wouldn't sign dangerously stupid deals with Iran and most of all, I would hope our President
isn't more concerned with collateral damage and political correctness than he is with killing anyone who is exercising or planning serious harm to America.
Harley
Could you explain the "racist" part, Harley?
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Could you explain the "racist" part, Harley?
Obviously referring to current administration's staunch anti-Caucasianism.
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How long before he is outed as a gimmick?
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How long before he is outed as a gimmick?
Almost zero chance.
He is Harley, I am sure.
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just wanted to pipe in here and say Harley is an absolute rock star--im a fan
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Dear IronGrip400.
Why would you write "How long before he is outed as a gimmick?" if you yourself created this thread?
It's me, and believe me, no one would fake being me. My life is nothing extraordinary.
Someone just asked me what I meant about the government being "racist" and my answer pertains to
some of the police practices of some of the law enforcement officers in this country. There are also quite a few
prosecutors who know that by focusing on low level dealers of crack cocaine, they are only securing the arrest of
a certain type of people and not the ones importing the cocaine either. The things cops say during their arrests and interrogations
that the public never hears are very often shocking and repugnant. Most of them never make an arrest on their own intelligence. They
have to get other people to incriminate others and then they pick up the easy pieces.
Harley
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Harley,
What do you think of the guy? I like him and his advice.
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Dear IronGrip400.
Why would you write "How long before he is outed as a gimmick?" if you yourself created this thread?
It's me, and believe me, no one would fake being me. My life is nothing extraordinary.
Someone just asked me what I meant about the government being "racist" and my answer pertains to
some of the police practices of some of the law enforcement officers in this country. There are also quite a few
prosecutors who know that by focusing on low level dealers of crack cocaine, they are only securing the arrest of
a certain type of people and not the ones importing the cocaine either. The things cops say during their arrests and interrogations
that the public never hears are very often shocking and repugnant. Most of them never make an arrest on their own intelligence. They
have to get other people to incriminate others and then they pick up the easy pieces.
Harley
Doesn't this come by way of the people being poor, though?
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Dear IronGrip400.
Why would you write "How long before he is outed as a gimmick?" if you yourself created this thread?
It's me, and believe me, no one would fake being me. My life is nothing extraordinary.
Someone just asked me what I meant about the government being "racist" and my answer pertains to
some of the police practices of some of the law enforcement officers in this country. There are also quite a few
prosecutors who know that by focusing on low level dealers of crack cocaine, they are only securing the arrest of
a certain type of people and not the ones importing the cocaine either. The things cops say during their arrests and interrogations
that the public never hears are very often shocking and repugnant. Most of them never make an arrest on their own intelligence. They
have to get other people to incriminate others and then they pick up the easy pieces.
Harley
I just wanted you to start off another reply with "Dear Irongrip" ;D
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Dear Irongrip,
You only need to ask.
Harley
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Perhaps Harley could get Titus freed from prison ???
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Until this thread, I was pretty sure Harley Breite was a cleaning product used by bikers. I stand humbly corrected.
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Dear Tommy,
I have represented members of the Hell's Angels and Satan's Soldiers but have
nothing to do with cleaning products.
I enjoy reading your threads as you very often talk about old school bodybuilders from what
I remember.
Harley
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Thank you HB. The pleasure is all mine sir.
I had some legal issues a long long time ago. Tony Serra came to see me in County and we spoke for an hour or so. He wasn't quite right for my situation but he made a nice referral. Perhaps earlier in your career you and Tony crossed paths.
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I've heard that HB is the new Vince G in terms of industry insider news except for the distinction that he knows his ass from a whole in the ground.
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Dear Tommy,
I am probably way off base, but for some reason I inferred that you
lived or still live in California.
I have previously been critical of Alan Klein's "Little Big Men."
For some reason, I always guessed that you also shared quite a bit of time in the
Gold's Gym in Venice and knew all those guys as well.
If that were true, your book would, minus the prolific amount of academic pomposity shoveled out by Klein,
would be most fascinating to hardcore fans.
Any truth to any of my inferences?
Harley
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Dear Tommy,
I am unfamiliar with Tony Serra. When you say "County" did you mean NY or NJ?
Harley
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Dear Tommy,
I am unfamiliar with Tony Serra. When you say "County" did you mean NY or NJ?
Harley
San Francisco County. Tony Serra represented numerous Hells Angels in the late 70's through the early 90's I believe. The Tony Serra Wiki page is an entertaining read.
Strangely enough, I never read this book. I should try and find it and give it a looksee.
HB, I currently live in San Francisco.
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can you pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee say "Dear Josh, Congratualtions on 22 years of sobriety"
it would make my night :D
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Dear Josh,
I actually read your thread and wanted to write to you to congratulate you on your accomplishment but thought you might find it silly.
I admire anyone who has the discipline you demonstrated. Temptation is a cruel mistress serving to expose our frailties and fallibilities.
You are to be commended for your strength of character.
I wish I had more of what you demonstrate.
Sincerely,
Harley
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Harley,
Is Craig Richardson still regularly training? How old is he now?
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Dear Tommy,
I read Klein's book many years ago when I was a full-time Ph.D. student.
His is an ethnography focused in large part of members of Gold's Gym in the late 80's or early 90's.
One of the things I most detested in his book was his refusal to give specific names or examples of
virtually every point he wished to make. His academic arrogance was also very unflattering.
At the time, I thought it would be helpful in that my dissertation focused on an ethnography of my time
with the East Coast's largest steroid dealer (his life, business, excesses, etc.). I had a good time with my
subject especially when he purchased a Lamborghini Diablo ($280K cash) just to basically park in front of clubs
at the NJ shore and get laid. He was just 4 days older than I and lived like a rock star for a very long time.
Harley
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can you pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee say "Dear Josh, Congratualtions on 22 years of sobriety"
it would make my night :D
We know this will make your night, Josh. ;) :)
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(http://We know this picture will make your night, josh
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(http://newdogworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Pug-Puppy-Babies.jpg)
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Dear Josh,
I actually read your thread and wanted to write to you to congratulate you on your accomplishment but thought you might find it silly.
I admire anyone who has the discipline you demonstrated. Temptation is a cruel mistress serving to expose our frailties and fallibilities.
You are to be commended for your strength of character.
I wish I had more of what you demonstrate.
Sincerely,
Harley
I literally cried a tear of joy---thank you for this
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(http://We know this picture will make your night, josh
[img width=351 height=550]http://justcuteanimals.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/cute-pug-puppy-dog-pics-beautiful-animal-pictures.jpg)
(http://newdogworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Pug-Puppy-Babies.jpg)
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oooooooooooooo love
k i dont wanna hijack this cool thread
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Dear Josh,
If that were all it took to make someone happy, I would quit my job and write the whole world.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
You ask if Craig Richardson is still currently training and how old he is.
He turned 41 in July and yes, he trains.
In fact, he won the Winds of Strength Chicago Pro 212 Show this past July 3rd.
He also took 3rd place 2 weeks prior to that in Dallas.
Craig and I have trained together for 17 continuous years.
He looks great and is competing in the 212 Olympia in Vegas. I will be there with him as always so
I hope all the GetBiggers come up and introduce themselves to us.
Ok, I am not going to say more positive things about Craig as this will cause people to say I am bias in my opinions.
Odd, that no one asks about our training, dieting, cardio or supplements.
No big deal. I am enjoying this tour of GetBig and wish to thank everyone, even Wiggs for being so nice and even tolerant of me.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
You ask if Craig Richardson is still currently training and how old he is.
He turned 41 in July and yes, he trains.
In fact, he won the Winds of Strength Chicago Pro 212 Show this past July 3rd.
He also took 3rd place 2 weeks prior to that in Dallas.
Craig and I have trained together for 17 continuous years.
He looks great and is competing in the 212 Olympia in Vegas. I will be there with him as always so
I hope all the GetBiggers come up and introduce themselves to us.
Ok, I am not going to say more positive things about Craig as this will cause people to say I am bias in my opinions.
Odd, that no one asks about our training, dieting, cardio or supplements.
No big deal. I am enjoying this tour of GetBig and wish to thank everyone, even Wiggs for being so nice and even tolerant of me.
Harley
Harley,
You obviously live in NYC. Where does Craig live?
I also live in NYC (born and raised).
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Dear SF1900,
Craig and I both live in NJ but NOT TOGETHER.
So we can expect you at the Craig Richardson Day of Training.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
Craig and I both live in NJ but NOT TOGETHER.
So we can expect you at the Craig Richardson Day of Training.
Harley
Hmm, depends where in Jersey.
And is this going to be filmed? :D :D
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Dear SF1900,
Are there some parts of NJ you won't enter?
I imagine we will film some parts of the Seminar and anyone attending
can film and record it if they like.
Here, anyone can film, take notes, etc.
We can make sure you aren't captured on film if that is your concern.
One time while I was in Brasil competing, I trained with Rickson Gracie who wouldn't permit anyone to take notes or film it. I didn't very much care for that.
In my humble opinion (this time I didn't type "Personally, in my opinion" as someone on GetBig blasted me for doing that) Rickson Gracie
is the greatest MMA fighter to have ever lived.
Harley
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SF1900 cannot be filmed or recorded under any circumstance.
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Dear Las Vegas,
If that is what it takes to get SF1900 to the seminar, then SF1900 shall not be filmed or
recorded under any circumstance.
Harley
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SF1900 cannot be filmed or recorded under any circumstance.
;D ;D ;D ;D
I don't want to break the camera. :-\ :-\ :'( :'(
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Dear Las Vegas,
If that is what it takes to get SF1900 to the seminar, then SF1900 shall not be filmed or
recorded under any circumstance.
Harley
Thank you!
As it gets closer, we will work out the details :) :)
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Dear Las Vegas,
If that is what it takes to get SF1900 to the seminar, then SF1900 shall not be filmed or
recorded under any circumstance.
Harley
Thank you for understanding, H. (It's a long story.)
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;D ;D ;D ;D
I don't want to break the camera. :-\ :-\ :'( :'(
And the whole "witness protection" thing. It wouldn't be a good idea. Could get messy.
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;D ;D ;D
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And the whole "witness protection" thing. It wouldn't be a good idea. Could get messy.
Ive already said too much. :-X :-X
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Ive already said too much. :-X :-X
Have you ever met Soul Crusher, SF?
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Have you ever met Soul Crusher, SF?
Nope. Ive met other getbiggers:
Coach, Natural Wonder, Chaos, Skorpio.
Trying to make a date with Onemorerep :D :D And maybe meet Andreisdaman.
Soulcrusher doesn't live too far from me. But he rarely posts any more.
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Nope. Ive met other getbiggers:
Coach, Natural Wonder, Chaos, Skorpio.
Trying to make a date with Onemorerep :D :D And maybe meet Andreisdaman.
Soulcrusher doesn't live too far from me. But he rarely posts any more.
I went to NY a while back and would've definitely liked to have taken him to lunch or something (N.H.), but it must have been around the time he stopped posting.
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Naturalwonder is a real person?
Ill be damned
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Naturalwonder is a real person?
Ill be damned
100%. Ive trained with him in CT about 3-4 times. Why do so many people think hes a gimmick? lol When I tell people he is real, they are shocked haha lol. Why? :) :)
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Naturalwonder is a real person?
Ill be damned
I bet sf1900 had to pay for dinner.
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I went to NY a while back and would've definitely liked to have taken him to lunch or something (N.H.), but it must have been around the time he stopped posting.
Yes, Soul Crusher could have told you all about politics. ::) :-\
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10 pages by tomorrow ;D
Sorry... Only 6.
Still very respectable.
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I bet sf1900 had to pay for dinner.
lol!! We went out to lunch after our workout and split the bill!
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I'll come at this from two ways. First, marijuana isn't a drug, it's a plant. What you take, that's drugs. Next, I don't smoke pot even close to what I used to. Not even a blip on the map. I'm entirely too busy to do that.
Well, since we are getting technical, AAS are hormones. They all derive from the hormone testosterone.
So what are you doing now? I also thought you were unemployed.
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It seems to me that you're getting very bothered about what I'm talking about and I know why. So lets put our cards on the table.
Your diplomas are meaningless in this exchange.
We are the real Jews and you are the fake ones. So I know why you get all defensive. I wasn't even going there but now I am. I don't care what you read or what school you went to. The truth is the truth even coming from a peasant.
This has nothing to do with Ethiopean Jews. They weren't and aren't the only ISRAELITES in Africa. They we're Israelites in Ethiopia just like we're Israelites in America. They were strangers in that land. They were called Falasha, or "stranger". Same goes for the Lemba, Ashanti and the Heeboes in Nigeria which is where the so called African Americans came from. Slave trade headed up by who? The so called "Jew-ish" people today. Yes! They ran the slave trade, a fact the most don't know. Why? Because it's hidden of course. So they helped to enslave us, then took our identity. This is a fact....There were others in on it as well. Arabs, Africans and Europeans. Everyone benefited.
So while my people maybe physically free, we are still mentally enslaved, why? Because you people persist in keeping our identity as your own at the cost of my people.
I'm pretty sure you didn't learn that in your fancy schmancy schools.
So, you can continue to dodge all my factual statements but know, we know the truth and we're taking our identity back, like it or not. You people are European converts which means you're Japhetic not even Shemitic.
Lets talk bodybuilding.
This very interesting to me and I like to keep an open mind and you seem very well read and knowledgeable.
When you say your people are mentally enslaved how does this manifest itself in real life? What are the traits of someone that is mentally enslaved and one that is not? What does the "you people" specifically have to do in practical terms to return the identity that has presumably been stolen from you?
And I'm still not clear on the enslaved concept? Being enslaved means to me forcing someone to do something they don't want to do or preventing them from doing something they do want to do. They are deprived of their freedoms and rights.What are the Hebrews as defined by you prevented from doing or not doing by the "you people".
And just to be clear, when you say "you people" do you mean White people in general or the people who identify as ethnic Jews such as those in Israel?
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I'll tell you this, I'd consider you totally evil if you didn't tell your wife who is black or any children you might have what their true history, culture etc was if you knew. And you now know...
Is there a link or site that one can look up that will give a brief history from start to finish of this history. Say Harley wanted to do this in an organized and coherent fashion. Where can he go to get it straight from start to finish?
You've been preaching this for some time now and I've always just dismissed it as crazy talk. Like those conspiracy theorist/flat earth crowd. But now, well it's not like I believe it, but I do want to know more about it.
I'm sure you've posted links before but I don't know where to look. As a Christian, the Jews, Judaism and Israel plays a very important role in our beliefs and we are forever interconnected.
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Is there a link or site that one can look up that will give a brief history from start to finish of this history. Say Harley wanted to do this in an organized and coherent fashion. Where can he go to get it straight from start to finish?
You've been preaching this for some time now and I've always just dismissed it as crazy talk. Like those conspiracy theorist/flat earth crowd. But now, well it's not like I believe it, but I do want to know more about it.
I'm sure you've posted links before but I don't know where to look. As a Christian, the Jews, Judaism and Israel plays a very important role in our beliefs and we are forever interconnected.
Yes you are absolutely right, great post
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I wish wiggs would fuck off with the hebrew shit. Harley is a great addition to our board and that crap doesn't belong in this thread (or any tbh)
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Bow tie warrior of peace
(http://www.northjersey.com/polopoly_fs/1.1050368.1405184148!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_650/071314-breite-dngcm-jpg.jpg)
;D
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Bow tie warrior of peace
(http://www.northjersey.com/polopoly_fs/1.1050368.1405184148!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_650/071314-breite-dngcm-jpg.jpg)
Goodrum lost weight?
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Sorry... Only 6.
Still very respectable.
That's because I didn't shamelessly bump the thread by answering every post individually...
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Dear SF1900,
Are there some parts of NJ you won't enter?
I imagine we will film some parts of the Seminar and anyone attending
can film and record it if they like.
Here, anyone can film, take notes, etc.
We can make sure you aren't captured on film if that is your concern.
One time while I was in Brasil competing, I trained with Rickson Gracie who wouldn't permit anyone to take notes or film it. I didn't very much care for that.
In my humble opinion (this time I didn't type "Personally, in my opinion" as someone on GetBig blasted me for doing that) Rickson Gracie
is the greatest MMA fighter to have ever lived.
Harley
I use to train with Rickson when he broke off from Rorian in 1991. I went to classes 3 times a week and had an hour private one and one session once a week. His private lessons were $50/hr at the time and I was able to do this for 3 years until he started traveling more for seminars and his stock really started to climb. Last I heard people were paying $400/hr but this was like ten years ago.
Fabio Gurgel, the founder of Alliance, flew to Cali to have a go at Rickson. Fabio at the time was the Mundial champ and dominating the BJJ world. Rickson schooled him. Tapped him at will. Fabio said he has never been dominated like that ever in his life by the time he was a Blue Belt.
I hate to say this, but I don't think Rickson challenged himself in MMA. I never understood why he never stepped up to fight Sakuraba when it mattered. Sakaruba was the first to dispel the Gracie aura and was defeating Gracie after Gracie that he was now known as the "Gracie Killer." Rickson was the only one left and I'm sure Rickson was offered a lot of money to fight Saku. He was already the highest paid MMA fighter in Japan. I just don't understand why he never stepped up to defend the family name as all the rest did both in his time and throughout their history. His father Helio would have stepped up and I remember saying at the time when people were questioning whether Rickson would step up to fight Sakuraba that he has to whether he wants to or not. His father would command it to be so.
Not fighting Sakuraba when it mattered has forever tarnished his reputation and most don't consider him a major force in MMA. Just one fight, and I believe he would have won easily (he toyed with Royce, Royler, Renzo and the rest that fought Saku) as they were both ground fighters, was the difference between a legend and an also ran.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3544/3504703005_634b8c4d15_b.jpg)
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Dear Pellius,
I must say I am quite jealous of the incredible experience you must have had during your 3 years of private lessons with Rickson. Very few
people in the world can say they were so fortunate to have had that opportunity. Your BJJ must be incredible.
As I mentioned before, I am a Royler Gracie student but also have the privilege of being his close friend and attorney. I negotiated the contract
when he fought Eddie Bravo for Metamoris (Royler became the highest paid BJJ competitor in the history of BJJ for one match) in California. I was
actually responsible for "Pantsgate." Eddie Bravo turned out to be nothing but a great guy and a true gentleman.
I have represented Royler and many other Gracies and Rickson was my least favorite in terms of personality. However, his BJJ was like nothing
I ever saw. In fact, I now understand why they call it "Invisible."
Harley
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I hate to say this, but I don't think Rickson challenged himself in MMA. I never understood why he never stepped up to fight Sakuraba when it mattered. Sakaruba was the first to dispel the Gracie aura and was defeating Gracie after Gracie that he was now known as the "Gracie Killer." Rickson was the only one left and I'm sure Rickson was offered a lot of money to fight Saku. He was already the highest paid MMA fighter in Japan.
I just don't understand why he never stepped up to defend the family name as all the rest did both in his time and throughout their history. His father Helio would have stepped up and I remember saying at the time when people were questioning whether Rickson would step up to fight Sakuraba that he has to whether he wants to or not. His father would command it to be so.
Maybe he felt he had more money than he needed and the japanese offer wasn't that important for him at the time.
Maybe he also felt there was a 1-5 % chance that Saku would have won and didn't want to destroy his legacy.
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Harley taking control on live TV
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Dear Army of One,
You guys are incredible with this computer stuff. That is one reason I have to leave myself open to complete audit.
That case you pulled up was interesting in that my client, a 72 year old woman was charged with helping to clean up the
mess after her son chopped his "model" girlfriend.
My client tried to persuade me that the blood found on my client's bed sheets which she was discarding when the police arrived
was not in fact, the blood of the victim, but rather, blood from my client's own menstrual cycle. Again, my client was 72 years old at
the time.
Part of that Discovery (the evidence in a case) revealed a 911 call in which you actually hear the victim's throat being cut wide open
as she screams, gasps for breath and then gurgles blood.
For the record, I was much heavier then and am still in the process of losing weight. Nothing hurts more than having your own obesity
shown on television.
Harley
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Dear Army of One,
You guys are incredible with this computer stuff. That is one reason I have to leave myself open to complete audit.
That case you pulled up was interesting in that my client, a 72 year old woman was charged with helping to clean up the
mess after her son chopped his "model" girlfriend.
My client tried to persuade me that the blood found on my client's bed sheets which she was discarding when the police arrived
was not in fact, the blood of the victim, but rather, blood from my client's own menstrual cycle. Again, my client was 72 years old at
the time.
Part of that Discovery (the evidence in a case) revealed a 911 call in which you actually hear the victim's throat being cut wide open
as she screams, gasps for breath and then gurgles blood.
For the record, I was much heavier then and am still in the process of losing weight. Nothing hurts more than having your own obesity
shown on television.
Harley
Wow, can't have been pleasant hearing that recording in court.You dont look obese Harley in the clip, only getbiggers would be able to tell you were off season.There are tons of other clips of yourself on YouTube, all uploaded by bruno670, is that you or your comp guy?
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Dear Army of One,
You guys are incredible with this computer stuff. That is one reason I have to leave myself open to complete audit.
That case you pulled up was interesting in that my client, a 72 year old woman was charged with helping to clean up the
mess after her son chopped his "model" girlfriend.
My client tried to persuade me that the blood found on my client's bed sheets which she was discarding when the police arrived
was not in fact, the blood of the victim, but rather, blood from my client's own menstrual cycle. Again, my client was 72 years old at
the time.
Part of that Discovery (the evidence in a case) revealed a 911 call in which you actually hear the victim's throat being cut wide open
as she screams, gasps for breath and then gurgles blood.
For the record, I was much heavier then and am still in the process of losing weight. Nothing hurts more than having your own obesity
shown on television.
Harley
I didn't realize you could talk about cases like that. Does it ever bother you to defend someone openly lying to you?
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I wish wiggs would fuck off with the hebrew shit. Harley is a great addition to our board and that crap doesn't belong in this thread (or any tbh)
He's a stupid black bastard
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Dear Army of One,
You guys are incredible with this computer stuff. That is one reason I have to leave myself open to complete audit.
That case you pulled up was interesting in that my client, a 72 year old woman was charged with helping to clean up the
mess after her son chopped his "model" girlfriend.
My client tried to persuade me that the blood found on my client's bed sheets which she was discarding when the police arrived
was not in fact, the blood of the victim, but rather, blood from my client's own menstrual cycle. Again, my client was 72 years old at
the time.
Part of that Discovery (the evidence in a case) revealed a 911 call in which you actually hear the victim's throat being cut wide open
as she screams, gasps for breath and then gurgles blood.
For the record, I was much heavier then and am still in the process of losing weight. Nothing hurts more than having your own obesity
shown on television.
Harley
And none of this bothers you? All about the evil establishment dotting its is and crossing its ts, you say. You seem like a cool cat, Harley, enjoy your posts. But, man, you have a twisted take on justice.
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lol!! We went out to lunch after our workout and split the bill!
lets try to train again
I won't cancel I promise and we'll do lunch after
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Dear The Ugly,
Of course people cutting up other people for no damn good reason bothers me. But I didn't cause that and from those people
who actually commit those crimes, you shouldn't expect more.
The government however, well, that's something else.
Just today, a judge who was recently appointed to our higher court just 2 months ago started a war with me for no reason.
There are times when I don't wear a shirt and tie to court.
Today, I wore black leather shoes, black denim jeans (extremely clean and nice bought at Neiman Markus), a yellow t-shirt (Land's End)
and a black corduroy sport coat (Ralph Lauren). I only mention the brand names so as to show I wasn't disheveled or sloppy.
Not one single judge has ever had a problem with that attire and it does fit within the Rules of Court although Judges do have discretion as to
what attorneys can wear.
This uptight judge questions my attire in open court. I suggest a meeting in chambers. In chambers he says I can't wear that to his court and I
tell him that no other judge has a problem and I am within the Rules. He says otherwise and warns me not to do it again.
I respond with, "Respectfully Your Honor, I have heard what you have said." Our meeting ends.
Of course, he then calls in another judge to discuss this matter while this news spreads throughout the courthouse and all the Assistant Prosecutors
are now laying odds as to whether or not I will wear a shirt and tie to my next appearance before him.
What I can't understand is why a guy who has lived off the public trough his whole life, who has just got done checking in on his last big political favor
wants to start a war less than 2 months into his judgeship. He was a Municipal Court Judge for quite a few years and I regularly appeared before him there
as well. He had the same temperament there as he does here.
While the letter of the law is a bit vague on this issue, one thing you should do before picking a fight with someone is ask yourself the following:
1) Am I in the right?
2) Is this guy going to back down or fight back?
3) Is this really worth fighting about?
I may have mentioned before that I graduated High School weighing just 88 pounds and that the idea of anyone bullying me anymore was just not going to fly
with me.
I didn't ask for this fight but I sure as hell am not going to back down from a newly appointed criminal judge who has NEVER once even tried a criminal case before
a jury. I am fed up with any system in which political affiliations trump merit.
This fight is on!!!
I hope to have the support of all GetBig.
Harley
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Dear The Ugly,
Of course people cutting up other people for no damn good reason bothers me. But I didn't cause that and from those people
who actually commit those crimes, you shouldn't expect more.
The government however, well, that's something else.
Just today, a judge who was recently appointed to our higher court just 2 months ago started a war with me for no reason.
There are times when I don't wear a shirt and tie to court.
Today, I wore black leather shoes, black denim jeans (extremely clean and nice bought at Neiman Markus), a yellow t-shirt (Land's End)
and a black corduroy sport coat (Ralph Lauren). I only mention the brand names so as to show I wasn't disheveled or sloppy.
Not one single judge has ever had a problem with that attire and it does fit within the Rules of Court although Judges do have discretion as to
what attorneys can wear.
This uptight judge questions my attire in open court. I suggest a meeting in chambers. In chambers he says I can't wear that to his court and I
tell him that no other judge has a problem and I am within the Rules. He says otherwise and warns me not to do it again.
I respond with, "Respectfully Your Honor, I have heard what you have said." Our meeting ends.
Of course, he then calls in another judge to discuss this matter while this news spreads throughout the courthouse and all the Assistant Prosecutors
are now laying odds as to whether or not I will wear a shirt and tie to my next appearance before him.
What I can't understand is why a guy who has lived off the public trough his whole life, who has just got done checking in on his last big political favor
wants to start a war less than 2 months into his judgeship. He was a Municipal Court Judge for quite a few years and I regularly appeared before him there
as well. He had the same temperament there as he does here.
While the letter of the law is a bit vague on this issue, one thing you should do before picking a fight with someone is ask yourself the following:
1) Am I in the right?
2) Is this guy going to back down or fight back?
3) Is this really worth fighting about?
I may have mentioned before that I graduated High School weighing just 88 pounds and that the idea of anyone bullying me anymore was just not going to fly
with me.
I didn't ask for this fight but I sure as hell am not going to back down from a newly appointed criminal judge who has NEVER once even tried a criminal case before
a jury. I am fed up with any system in which political affiliations trump merit.
This fight is on!!!
I hope to have the support of all GetBig.
Harley
I think you should wear your Gi next time.
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Karate or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu?
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Karate or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu?
If your bjj one has badges on, that one. I think they add a touch of class.
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Ive met
Coach, Natural Wonder, Chaos, Skorpio.
Creepier than Basile :-X
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Harley Breite
Use a Karate-Gi with White jacket and Black trousers.
Or even the Cobra Kai-outfit from the movie "Karate Kid".
(http://www.chasingthefrog.com/t-shirts/karatekid/miygi-bg.jpg)
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Dear Kwon_2,
You seldom ever see chicks who look like that in martial arts, or at least in the places I've trained.
I don't have any "badges" on my BJJ gi but I do have some patches (American Flag, Brazilian Flag, Royler Gracie, David Adiv and Sean Santella patches).
I could wear the medals around my neck like Mr. T and yell obnoxious phrases in Portuguese.
In the end, these political hacks who sit with so much power just never get what it means to go out and struggle to make a living.
Harley
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Dear Kwon_2,
You seldom ever see chicks who look like that in martial arts, or at least in the places I've trained.
I don't have any "badges" on my BJJ gi but I do have some patches (American Flag, Brazilian Flag, Royler Gracie, David Adiv and Sean Santella patches).
I could wear the medals around my neck like Mr. T and yell obnoxious phrases in Portuguese.
In the end, these political hacks who sit with so much power just never get what it means to go out and struggle to make a living.
Harley
Badges, patches, yes it's what I meant. Go for that. The Mr T with medals idea is great. What's Portuguese for 'I pity the fool that just got choked out'? ;D
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Eu tenho pena de bobo que ficou estangulado.
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Eu tenho pena de bobo que ficou estangulado.
Háblanos un poquito de español Harley. 8)
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Hola el numero uno,
Usted puede hablar comigo
Harley
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Dear The Ugly,
Of course people cutting up other people for no damn good reason bothers me. But I didn't cause that and from those people
who actually commit those crimes, you shouldn't expect more.
The government however, well, that's something else.
Just today, a judge who was recently appointed to our higher court just 2 months ago started a war with me for no reason.
There are times when I don't wear a shirt and tie to court.
Today, I wore black leather shoes, black denim jeans (extremely clean and nice bought at Neiman Markus), a yellow t-shirt (Land's End)
and a black corduroy sport coat (Ralph Lauren). I only mention the brand names so as to show I wasn't disheveled or sloppy.
Not one single judge has ever had a problem with that attire and it does fit within the Rules of Court although Judges do have discretion as to
what attorneys can wear.
This uptight judge questions my attire in open court. I suggest a meeting in chambers. In chambers he says I can't wear that to his court and I
tell him that no other judge has a problem and I am within the Rules. He says otherwise and warns me not to do it again.
I respond with, "Respectfully Your Honor, I have heard what you have said." Our meeting ends.
Of course, he then calls in another judge to discuss this matter while this news spreads throughout the courthouse and all the Assistant Prosecutors
are now laying odds as to whether or not I will wear a shirt and tie to my next appearance before him.
What I can't understand is why a guy who has lived off the public trough his whole life, who has just got done checking in on his last big political favor
wants to start a war less than 2 months into his judgeship. He was a Municipal Court Judge for quite a few years and I regularly appeared before him there
as well. He had the same temperament there as he does here.
While the letter of the law is a bit vague on this issue, one thing you should do before picking a fight with someone is ask yourself the following:
1) Am I in the right?
2) Is this guy going to back down or fight back?
3) Is this really worth fighting about?
I may have mentioned before that I graduated High School weighing just 88 pounds and that the idea of anyone bullying me anymore was just not going to fly
with me.
I didn't ask for this fight but I sure as hell am not going to back down from a newly appointed criminal judge who has NEVER once even tried a criminal case before
a jury. I am fed up with any system in which political affiliations trump merit.
This fight is on!!!
I hope to have the support of all GetBig.
Harley
Sorry about the shitty judge, but no clue how it relates. He disgraces the position, therefore ... what?
As to the bold: Of course you didn't cause it, but you're doing everything in your power to mitigate punishment, or even get these monsters off. I know you've reconciled this with your conscience, but any consideration at all for the victims, their loved ones, or the evil you release on society if court goes well?
Justice, morality, compassion, reason - all this forfeited to the competence of a prosecutor?
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Dear The Ugly,
I wrote earlier, perhaps in the thread about the NJ Man Who Killed His Friend (boyfriend) With a 25 Pound Dumbbell how I
justify what I do.
I am merely here to ensure that the government doesn't cheat in its prosecution of each and every individual. In my opinion,
without that over their heads, prosecution turns into persecution.
If anyone believes that the Prosecutors are less competent (Marcia Clark, Christopher Darden, etc) then simply pretend you are in the
private sector and hire those most qualified and pay them what they deserve. If the government doesn't practice meritocracy, it's not
my fault if I win a case every now and then.
I never "unleashed evil on society". I think that is a bit harsh to throw at any defense counsel.
You don't honestly believe that EVERY single person charged with a crime on bail, in jail or in prison is guilty of that charged do you?
I hope and pray that the day never comes when you or your loved ones are falsely charged with a crime. I am not being facetious. I am
being very serious. It's a terribly terrifying predicament to go against the infinite resources of the government and its cowardly employees who
sometimes worry more about protecting their tenure and pensions that ensuring justice is me, even if justice means doing something "unpopular."
Harley
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Was probably the t-shirt that set him off, Harley. The fact that it lacks a collar jumped into his vision and caused him to lose his sorry excuse for a mind.
I could see it if he handled it quietly, but instead he wants to make an entire production over it. Shows he doesn't understand the bigger picture. He is a weakling at heart.
Funny thing is, he insists that your attire is somehow disrespectful, yet him stopping the show over inconsequential things for a temper tantrum is perfectly OK.
He will only get worse over time, too. I don't know where a guy like that belongs, but it isn't where he's at.
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Yes, Soul Crusher could have told you all about politics. ::) :-\
;D No, I think he's probably a pretty cool guy. But when he stopped posting, he didn't fuck around. He stopped.
Going 100 to 0 like that must've had a strong impact on him. I've often wondered about the circumstances surrounding it, and what he channeled that energy into afterward.
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To be fair, can't forget that everything is based on the idea that the cops' word is gold, which we all know is absolute total bullshit.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Wow!!! Your insight is profound!!! It's almost as if you knew this judge and or practiced law before.
The most important factors in being a good judge are demeanor and fairness.
Judges who worry about whether the shirt has a collar are in fact, missing the bigger picture.
Just a couple of weeks ago, I was featured on the front page of our local Sunday newspaper in an article
about bow ties. It's not as if I always dress without a shirt and tie.
He also fails to realize that the system is not controlled him or his calendar. Defense attorneys can cause havoc
upon a court's schedule and make things very difficult for the judge and staff if they want to.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
Why not show your respect for the court and put a suit on? You look pretty boss in that bow tie.
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DearHarley,
Why not show your respect for the court and put a suit on? You look pretty boss in that bow tie.
What he says and does is where the respect comes in.
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Dear The Ugly,
I wrote earlier, perhaps in the thread about the NJ Man Who Killed His Friend (boyfriend) With a 25 Pound Dumbbell how I
justify what I do.
I am merely here to ensure that the government doesn't cheat in its prosecution of each and every individual. In my opinion,
without that over their heads, prosecution turns into persecution.
If anyone believes that the Prosecutors are less competent (Marcia Clark, Christopher Darden, etc) then simply pretend you are in the
private sector and hire those most qualified and pay them what they deserve. If the government doesn't practice meritocracy, it's not
my fault if I win a case every now and then.
I never "unleashed evil on society". I think that is a bit harsh to throw at any defense counsel.
You don't honestly believe that EVERY single person charged with a crime on bail, in jail or in prison is guilty of that charged do you?
I hope and pray that the day never comes when you or your loved ones are falsely charged with a crime. I am not being facetious. I am
being very serious. It's a terribly terrifying predicament to go against the infinite resources of the government and its cowardly employees who
sometimes worry more about protecting their tenure and pensions that ensuring justice is me, even if justice means doing something "unpopular."
Harley
Not at all, but you've mentioned a few here that you acknowledge (if not suspected) were guilty, and their crimes heinous. That's ALL I was talking about - in fact, my critique quoted a post addressing one such case.
I've been in trouble plenty, so I understand the need for a good attorney. Without one, you're just another of the DA's faceless files, who deserves the absolute max. But we're talking bullshit misdemeanors versus senseless murder. Just didn't think I should lose my house/career over a non-violent, victimless offense is all; never pretended to be innocent.
And "unpopular" is an interesting choice of words, must admit. Anyway, wasn't trying to be disrespectful, not deliberately. Just trying to understand the mindset, always baffled me. Always will, I guess.
(For the record, it was "release," not unleash ... though "evil" was pretty dramatic. Even though it fit.)
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Yes, Harley. So many mentally-sick people end up as judges, it should scare the living shit out of any sane person.
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Not at all, but you've mentioned a few here that you acknowledge (if not suspected) were guilty, and their crimes heinous. That's ALL I was talking about - in fact, my critique quoted a post addressing one such case.
I've been in trouble plenty of times, so I understand the need for a good attorney. Without one, you're just another of the DA's faceless files, who deserves the absolute max. But we're talking bullshit misdemeanors versus senseless murder. Just didn't think I should lose my house/career over a non-violent, victimless offense is all; never pretended to be innocent.
Anyway, wasn't trying to be disrespectful, not deliberately. Just trying to understand the mindset, always baffled me. Always will, I guess.
(For the record, it was "release," not unleash, though I do admit "evil" was pretty dramatic. Even though it fit.)
I definitely understand your point. But there is a place for guys like Harley, and overall he is fighting the good fight. No question about it. But your point is very good, and you are in the right for raising it.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Wow!!! Your insight is profound!!! It's almost as if you knew this judge and or practiced law before.
The most important factors in being a good judge are demeanor and fairness.
Judges who worry about whether the shirt has a collar are in fact, missing the bigger picture.
Just a couple of weeks ago, I was featured on the front page of our local Sunday newspaper in an article
about bow ties. It's not as if I always dress without a shirt and tie.
He also fails to realize that the system is not controlled him or his calendar. Defense attorneys can cause havoc
upon a court's schedule and make things very difficult for the judge and staff if they want to.
Harley
The world revolving around HIM. Everything is about HIM. You will bow to HIM.
Fuck HIM.
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;D
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Not at all, but you've mentioned a few here that you acknowledge (if not suspected) were guilty, and their crimes heinous. That's ALL I was talking about - in fact, my critique quoted a post addressing one such case.
I've been in trouble plenty, so I understand the need for a good attorney. Without one, you're just another of the DA's faceless files, who deserves the absolute max. But we're talking bullshit misdemeanors versus senseless murder. Just didn't think I should lose my house/career over a non-violent, victimless offense is all; never pretended to be innocent.
And "unpopular" is an interesting choice of words, must admit. Anyway, wasn't trying to be disrespectful, not deliberately. Just trying to understand the mindset, always baffled me. Always will, I guess.
(For the record, it was "release," not unleash ... though "evil" was pretty dramatic. Even though it fit.)
Dear The Ugly,
I didn't take your comments to be disrespectful at all. In fact, I thought they were well made. I merely wanted to pose my point as a question which
you honestly answered.
As to knowing or suspecting my own clients' guilt, that happens quite often but is irrelevant to me for the reasons I previously mentioned. Many times the matter is about diminishing
a client's exposure (risk) and trying to negotiate the best "deal" possible. Remembering that 95% of all criminal cases result in a plea bargain, trial experience is hard to come by. However,
those attorneys with experience and actual skill at conducting a trial do in fact, obtain the best "deals" for a plethora of reasons.
I most certainly agree that people shouldn't lose careers or homes due to petty crimes or "Victimless Crimes." Why does the State keep prosecuting prostitutes and taking away the cars of those
who seek their services? "Civil Forfeiture" in criminal cases is just another way the government takes a hold of your possessions. Do you know how many "prostitutes" I have represented in 22 years?
As far as "unpopular" decisions a judge must make, take for example, the judge who will hear my application to Renew My Permit To Carry A Firearm. He has already implied he isn't going to
grant the renewal despite my having it for 6 years already without a single incident. He is more worried about risking his tenure or making the papers if I have to defend myself with my own legal gun.
The Judge cites the Assault charge brought against me. That charge was made by a racist who called me a dirty Jew and lied about a fight he and I allegedly had in which I put him in the hospital. My legal team eventually had the case dismissed.
Judges are sometimes asked to make difficult and perhaps "unpopular" decisions but this is one of their most important functions and one in which we trust they will uphold.
I wish I saw more of that.
Harley
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Dear HarleyBreite ,
I spent some time in jail for a crime I didn't commit , do you think prosecutors should be responsible for destroying the lives of those wrongfully convicted, and do you think they should pay for it.
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Dear The Ugly,
I didn't take your comments to be disrespectful at all. In fact, I thought they were well made. I merely wanted to pose my point as a question which
you honestly answered.
As to knowing or suspecting my own clients' guilt, that happens quite often but is irrelevant to me for the reasons I previously mentioned. Many times the matter is about diminishing
a client's exposure (risk) and trying to negotiate the best "deal" possible. Remembering that 95% of all criminal cases result in a plea bargain, trial experience is hard to come by. However,
those attorneys with experience and actual skill at conducting a trial do in fact, obtain the best "deals" for a plethora of reasons.
I most certainly agree that people shouldn't lose careers or homes due to petty crimes or "Victimless Crimes." Why does the State keep prosecuting prostitutes and taking away the cars of those
who seek their services? "Civil Forfeiture" in criminal cases is just another way the government takes a hold of your possessions. Do you know how many "prostitutes" I have represented in 22 years?
As far as "unpopular" decisions a judge must make, take for example, the judge who will hear my application to Renew My Permit To Carry A Firearm. He has already implied he isn't going to
grant the renewal despite my having it for 6 years already without a single incident. He is more worried about risking his tenure or making the papers if I have to defend myself with my own legal gun.
The Judge cites the Assault charge brought against me. That charge was made by a racist who called me a dirty Jew and lied about a fight he and I allegedly had in which I put him in the hospital. My legal team eventually had the case dismissed.
Judges are sometimes asked to make difficult and perhaps "unpopular" decisions but this is one of their most important functions and one in which we trust they will uphold.
I wish I saw more of that.
Harley
Apologies, misread the context of "unpopular." Makes perfect sense.
As for your hookers (:)) - as with so many other 'no business being a crime' crimes - I'm 180 there, my friend, but that's a whole other thread. Pretty Liberatarian in that regard and would love to see the petty stuff legalized in a heartbeat. Regulated where necessary, of course, and all contingent on the participant taking full accountability for potential risks, troubles, and/or costs. Again, separate thread.
Thanks for responding, Harley, hope you stick around.
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Dear Che,
I hold Prosecutors and Judges accountable for the prosecution and incarceration of the innocent but only
when it becomes patently clear that either or both of them abused their respective discretions and continued
with an unjust prosecution or sentence.
A prosecutor's job is to seek justice, not necessarily a conviction. He reads the file and reports initially generated by
the police and then has his own investigators to either corroborate it or dispel it as something less than the truth or something
not rising to the level of "beyond a reasonable doubt." Believing someone committed a crime and believing that you can
prove the commission of that crime beyond a reasonable doubt are two different entities.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
I must say I am quite jealous of the incredible experience you must have had during your 3 years of private lessons with Rickson. Very few
people in the world can say they were so fortunate to have had that opportunity. Your BJJ must be incredible.
As I mentioned before, I am a Royler Gracie student but also have the privilege of being his close friend and attorney. I negotiated the contract
when he fought Eddie Bravo for Metamoris (Royler became the highest paid BJJ competitor in the history of BJJ for one match) in California. I was
actually responsible for "Pantsgate." Eddie Bravo turned out to be nothing but a great guy and a true gentleman.
I have represented Royler and many other Gracies and Rickson was my least favorite in terms of personality. However, his BJJ was like nothing
I ever saw. In fact, I now understand why they call it "Invisible."
Harley
When I first started at the Gracie Academy in Carson, CA I would take a private lesson with Royce one day and a private with Royler later in the week. You had to take at least 10 privates before you could join the group class in those days. It was only $20 dollars a class so it was worth it. Rorion wanted to be sure you had the basics down before joining the group class.
I never really got along with Royce. He was impatient, would get mad and had a chip on his shoulder. Some years later I would understand why.
It was the exact opposite with Royler. I came out of his classes so happy and enthusiastic. If everybody took their first BJJ lesson from Royler or Renzo they will love Jui-Jitsu forever.
Royler made training just so much fun as well as a learning experience. In those days, Jiu-Jitsu was new and we never saw anything like it. With Royler's charming, engaging, and playful personality; I never really thought of him as a fighter per se. He almost seemed like a boy playing when he rolled. Always joking around and making funny comments playfully wrestling as he'd submit and tap opponent after opponent.
After one of our privates he told me he would be fighting later that week. This was during the time of the "Gracie Challenge" in which they would award anybody that could defeat them $10,000 dollars. The challenger didn't have to pay anything if they lost. So we had guys coming in all the time to fight and win the prize.
I was not happy when Royler told me this. Royler was a fantastic grappler but the game changes considerably when there are strikes. And Royler was tiny. Maybe 135 lbs. But what bother me most was that I didn't want to see him fight. Like I said, I didn't think of him as a fighter as such. When he did Jiu-Jitsu it was fun and games. Just learning a new skill. It didn't seem like fighting.
Royler just didn't seem to have the disposition of a fighter.
Boy, was I wrong. He became a completely different person when it came to NHB fighting. He was like a Tasmanian Devil and just tore though his opponents with a ferocious intensity that I didn't see in the other Gracies.
I only got to train with him for around six months. I was heart broken when he told me after one of our privates that he was moving back to Brasil. He said his wife was just not happy and didn't want to live in the US. I would find out later that he just wanted to get out of Rorion's control. There was a big rift going on in the family and Rickson had just recently left to start his own dojo. Royler and Rickson are extremely close and when he left Royler saw the writing on the wall. He would forever be Rorion's
employee getting paid by Rorion as Rorion saw fit.
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Maybe he felt he had more money than he needed and the japanese offer wasn't that important for him at the time.
Maybe he also felt there was a 1-5 % chance that Saku would have won and didn't want to destroy his legacy.
I don't think anybody feels they have enough money. And it's not like MMA fighters made a ton of dough. They don't even today unless you are the top of the top.
And the career of an MMA fighter is short and you better cash in while you can. I heard that Rickson was offered one million dollars to fight Saku. A million dollars is always the magic number for someone in the middle class as it implies you are set for life. Rickson's school probably had maybe fifty students tops. BJJ just wasn't very popular or well known in the US and the though the Gracies were big in Brasil they were nobodies in the US. And Rickson charged $60/month for group classes and had an assistant instructor he also had to pay.
And as far as not wanting to destroy his legacy. That would be the worse case scenario. That would mean he back down from a challenge. That he was afraid of losing. That was contrary to the Gracie tradition of anyone, anytime, anywhere.
Also, the Gracies always preached family honor and always avenged a Gracie defeat. When a 43 year old Helio lost to his 26 year old former student, Valdemar Santana, after a 3 hour and 43 minute fight (I can't even go that long without having to pee) his nephew, Carlson stepped up and defeated Santana twice.
As the family champion, it was incumbent upon him to defend the Gracie name as has always been their tradition. He ended up tarnishing his reputation by not fighting Saku. No one doubted Saku's willingness to fight Rickson. The fight never happened because of Rickson. No one takes Rickson seriously when it comes to MMA.
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Dear Kwon_2,
You seldom ever see chicks who look like that in martial arts, or at least in the places I've trained.
HarleyBreite
What chicks are you talking about?
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Dear Kwon_2,
I swear to you that the photo in the Kobra Kai post originally had a blonde chick.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
You could not be more correct about Royler Gracie. Royler and I are very close but that doesn't stop me from recognizing
just how different he is than most of the Gracie Family.
When Royler and I go to Brasil together and enter Gracie Humaita (the Academy in Rio), it really is as if Moses has arrived.
People literally come from all over Brasil and even different parts of Brasil to train at the Academy in Rio with Royler. I can tell you
infinite stories of just how gracious and humble Royler is and even today, he is like a rock star in Brasil.
Whenever Royler is on the East Coast, I am obliged to bake my homemade cheesecake as it is his favorite. Although he always eats
incredibly clean (we always fight about my drinking Diet Coke) he will never turn down my cheesecake and I always make an extra one
for him to take with him.
As great as he is as a Professor and Fighter, he is even more so as a human being.
Your experiences and knowledge of BJJ and MMA are most interesting to me.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
Why were you hiding behind a plant, and what were you looking at?
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Dear Harley,
Why were you hiding behind a plant, and what were you looking at?
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;D
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What a boring match and a waste of time, but not because of you, Harley. I had to scroll through most of it because I've seen this so many times before and knew what kind of guy you were dealing with. Plus it was just too boring to watch straight through. What the hell was up with that guy? Was he injured or something? I just never understood guys like that. Here he is competing in the biggest most prestigious Jiu-Jitsu tournament in the world, paying the entrance fee (What is it now? $85?) and just runs away the whole match. He didn't want to engaged and you had to chase him for the entire match.
I've had guys like that before and I knew what was coming up. And just like clock work when the time was running out here it came, he pulls guard. Oh brother. I never like the "pull guard" tactic even though it got things going pretty quick so you don't wind up dancing for half the match like what you had to endure for majority of the time. I just feel that pulling guard is contrary to what suppose to be a martial art. Being in the guard, though that's where most of the advance Jiu-Jitsu is, it's still a defensive position in a fight. Helio didn't like the way tournament Jiu-Jitsu has evolved with people exploiting the gi so much to tie their opponent up and fighters going for points instead of submissions and stalling when they're ahead on points and have a good position. Jiu-Jitsu is suppose to be a Martial Art and a Martial Art is useless if you can't fight. Tournament Jiu-Jitsu has move away from being a Martial Art. Nothing is more frustrating than just having someone holding you in close guard or laying on you like a fat lump holding on for dear life waiting for the clock to run out.
Rickson would yell at you if he saw you stalling. Notice when his son Kron fought in the Abu Dhabi he submitted all his opponents even in his last fight where his opponent just ran from him. You could hear Rickson in the background making chicken sounds to mock the coward.
If you're competing in Abu Dhabi or the Mundials, the biggest most prestigious tournaments in the world, at least fight FFS!
You did good. You tried to engage. You were there to fight. There's only so much you can do when your opponent just runs away.
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Dear Harley,
Why were you hiding behind a plant, and what were you looking at?
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What a boring match and a waste of time, but not because of you, Harley. I had to scroll through most of it because I've seen this so many times before and knew what kind of guy you were dealing with. Plus it was just too boring to watch straight through. What the hell was up with that guy? Was he injured or something? I just never understood guys like that. Here he is competing in the biggest most prestigious Jiu-Jitsu tournament in the world, paying the entrance fee (What is it now? $85?) and just runs away the whole match. He didn't want to engaged and you had to chase him for the entire match.
I've had guys like that before and I knew what was coming up. And just like clock work when the time was running out here it came, he pulls guard. Oh brother. I never like the "pull guard" tactic even though it got things going pretty quick so you don't wind up dancing for half the match like what you had to endure for majority of the time. I just feel that pulling guard is contrary to what suppose to be a martial art. Being in the guard, though that's where most of the advance Jiu-Jitsu is, it's still a defensive position in a fight. Helio didn't like the way tournament Jiu-Jitsu has evolved with people exploiting the gi so much to tie their opponent up and fighters going for points instead of submissions and stalling when they're ahead on points and have a good position. Jiu-Jitsu is suppose to be a Martial Art and a Martial Art is useless if you can't fight. Tournament Jiu-Jitsu has move away from being a Martial Art. Nothing is more frustrating than just having someone holding you in close guard or laying on you like a fat lump holding on for dear life waiting for the clock to run out.
Rickson would yell at you if he saw you stalling. Notice when his son Kron fought in the Abu Dhabi he submitted all his opponents even in his last fight where his opponent just ran from him. You could hear Rickson in the background making chicken sounds to mock the coward.
If you're competing in Abu Dhabi or the Mundials, the biggest most prestigious tournaments in the world, at least fight FFS!
You did good. You tried to engage. You were there to fight. There's only so much you can do when your opponent just runs away.
Dear Pellius,
I thank you very much for your most honest and insightful opinion.
I just spent a few days with Royler going with him from one seminar to the next and he continued his haurrange on "Sport Jiu-Jitsu."
Royler is very upset that the self defense aspect of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is being so ignored in favor of competitive BJJ. And this is coming from
literally the most successful BJJ competitor in the history of the Gracie Family.
As per the match you posted above, my opponent was from Russia and said that he had previously taken 3rd Place at Abu Dhabi.
He did NOT want to fight that day with me. You are correct in that I spent the whole damn match chasing him. I too, hate when guys
pull guard with no time left and that is when I tried to quickly pass him and win by points.
After the match, all he did was complain that he had been robbed. He asked me where I was training while in Brasil and when I told him I
was at Gracie Humaita he said he would show up on Monday night to fight me again. I told him I had just forfeited the Finals of the Absolute Division
due to hurting my back and would not be training for my remaining time in Brasil.
The guy still shows up on Monday night and when I am sitting on the sidelines not able to train, he becomes more enraged and bad mouths me to
all the Brazilians who are training who actually know who I am through my years of training there. He then challenges a Brazilian who proceeds to tap
him out without mercy. Throughout the roll, I can still hear him telling everyone how he got robbed at the tournament.
The Brazilians at Gracie Humaita did not appreciate that very much and then began tapping him out with fury and anger.
He got up and left before class ended.
Harley
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What a boring match and a waste of time, but not because of you, Harley. I had to scroll through most of it because I've seen this so many times before and knew what kind of guy you were dealing with. Plus it was just too boring to watch straight through. What the hell was up with that guy? Was he injured or something? I just never understood guys like that. Here he is competing in the biggest most prestigious Jiu-Jitsu tournament in the world, paying the entrance fee (What is it now? $85?) and just runs away the whole match. He didn't want to engaged and you had to chase him for the entire match.
I've had guys like that before and I knew what was coming up. And just like clock work when the time was running out here it came, he pulls guard. Oh brother. I never like the "pull guard" tactic even though it got things going pretty quick so you don't wind up dancing for half the match like what you had to endure for majority of the time. I just feel that pulling guard is contrary to what suppose to be a martial art. Being in the guard, though that's where most of the advance Jiu-Jitsu is, it's still a defensive position in a fight. Helio didn't like the way tournament Jiu-Jitsu has evolved with people exploiting the gi so much to tie their opponent up and fighters going for points instead of submissions and stalling when they're ahead on points and have a good position. Jiu-Jitsu is suppose to be a Martial Art and a Martial Art is useless if you can't fight. Tournament Jiu-Jitsu has move away from being a Martial Art. Nothing is more frustrating than just having someone holding you in close guard or laying on you like a fat lump holding on for dear life waiting for the clock to run out.
Rickson would yell at you if he saw you stalling. Notice when his son Kron fought in the Abu Dhabi he submitted all his opponents even in his last fight where his opponent just ran from him. You could hear Rickson in the background making chicken sounds to mock the coward.
If you're competing in Abu Dhabi or the Mundials, the biggest most prestigious tournaments in the world, at least fight FFS!
You did good. You tried to engage. You were there to fight. There's only so much you can do when your opponent just runs away.
7 minutes of two men holding each others lapels and one declared the winner.
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So is this Harley guy legit or what?
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Dear Chaos,
I am not sure what you mean by "legit" but we have already established the following:
1) I am who I claim to be and am not a "gimmick."
2) I am a Criminal Defense Attorney by profession.
3) I have terrible computer/internet skills.
4) I am a Purple Belt Royler Gracie BJJ student. Some of my matches are extremely boring. I am a 2-Time World Champion.
5) I am IFBB Pro Craig Richardson's Training Partner for the past 17 years.
6) I personally, am sponsoring a COMPLETELY FREE opportunity for ANY AND ALL GetBiggers to train with Craig,
take part in a seminar and have lunch with Craig at a gym in NJ sometime in October. There are NO fees, costs or selling
of any products.
7) My hair is something I am holding onto tighter than the last passenger falling off The Titanic.
Harley
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Harley how much do you spend per month on digital marketing?
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Dear Chaos,
I am not sure what you mean by "legit" but we have already established the following:
1) I am who I claim to be and am not a "gimmick."
2) I am a Criminal Defense Attorney by profession.
3) I have terrible computer/internet skills.
4) I am a Purple Belt Royler Gracie BJJ student. Some of my matches are extremely boring. I am a 2-Time World Champion.
5) I am IFBB Pro Craig Richardson's Training Partner for the past 17 years.
6) I personally, am sponsoring a COMPLETELY FREE opportunity for ANY AND ALL GetBiggers to train with Craig,
take part in a seminar and have lunch with Craig at a gym in NJ sometime in October. There are NO fees, costs or selling
of any products.
7) My hair is something I am holding onto tighter than the last passenger falling off The Titanic.
Harley
What other disciplines do you train?
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Dear Saint Anger,
I don't spend any money on "digital marketing" although I'm not even sure
what it is. I don't spend any money on advertising. I never claimed to be good
with technology as I don't very much like it. I have very strong views on that stuff but
my business seems to have survived just ok.
Harley
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Good stories, Harley. (But not good about gun.)
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What other disciplines do you train?
Dear Chaos,
I mentioned earlier that I have a Black Belt in Kickboxing and how I came to earn that rank.
I am a Brown Belt in Shotokan Karate and did, for a period of years, own my own Karate/Kickboxing School just
as a side hobby.
I am a 2 stripe Purple Belt in BJJ under Royler Gracie/David Adiv.
I train MMA and BJJ under MMA Pro Sean "Shorty Rock" Santella.
I am not very good but I very much enjoy the training, much more so than the competition. I pride myself
on being a great Training Partner, whether it be for Craig in the gym or in the cage or on the mat for someone
getting ready for a fight or tournament.
I always wished to emulate the "tough guys" I saw in the movies and television when I was a kid. Like many little
skinny runts who were picked upon, I had grandiose dreams of kicking back the sand in the faces of those who
humiliated me. My 30 year High School Reunion approaches and the kid who bullied me most is set to attend. Who
knows.
Harley
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Good stories, Harley. (But not good about gun.)
I am not sure what you mean? The issue of the renewal of my Permit To Carry A Firearm?
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Hey Guys,
Tonight was the first Victor Martinez Bodybuilding Show in the Bronx.
Rumor had it that Kai was going to appear. I don't know anything more.
Harley
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I am not sure what you mean? The issue of the renewal of my Permit To Carry A Firearm?
Yes.
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Yes.
Did you not like the fact that I was public about it or that you feel I should be denied the permit?
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Dear Chaos,
I mentioned earlier that I have a Black Belt in Kickboxing and how I came to earn that rank.
I am a Brown Belt in Shotokan Karate and did, for a period of years, own my own Karate/Kickboxing School just
as a side hobby.
I am a 2 stripe Purple Belt in BJJ under Royler Gracie/David Adiv.
I train MMA and BJJ under MMA Pro Sean "Shorty Rock" Santella.
I am not very good but I very much enjoy the training, much more so than the competition. I pride myself
on being a great Training Partner, whether it be for Craig in the gym or in the cage or on the mat for someone
getting ready for a fight or tournament.
I always wished to emulate the "tough guys" I saw in the movies and television when I was a kid. Like many little
skinny runts who were picked upon, I had grandiose dreams of kicking back the sand in the faces of those who
humiliated me. My 30 year High School Reunion approaches and the kid who bullied me most is set to attend. Who
knows.
Harley
The last paragraph reeks of small man syndrome. ;D
When was the last time you were in a street fight? You can use a hypothetical situation if it helps.
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The last paragraph reeks of small man syndrome. ;D
When was the last time you were in a street fight? You can use a hypothetical situation if it helps.
Dear Chaos,
I am not shy to admit that my feelings from being small, weak and picked upon have caused me some issues
in my life but they have also inspired me and motivated me to achieve more than anyone thought I could. I took
those feelings of inadequacy and used them as fuel to attain goals in areas of life that were supposedly not meant for me.
Had I listened to the voices of others, I never would have found my own voice and my own peace of mind.
You can mock me if you want, but I turned something negative into a self fulfilling life that has hopefully given back to some others.
Harley
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Did you not like the fact that I was public about it or that you feel I should be denied the permit?
No and no. I think you need to have that permit, and it probably concerns you to think of losing it.
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Dear Chaos,
I mentioned earlier that I have a Black Belt in Kickboxing and how I came to earn that rank.
I am a Brown Belt in Shotokan Karate and did, for a period of years, own my own Karate/Kickboxing School just
as a side hobby.
I am a 2 stripe Purple Belt in BJJ under Royler Gracie/David Adiv.
I train MMA and BJJ under MMA Pro Sean "Shorty Rock" Santella.
I am not very good but I very much enjoy the training, much more so than the competition. I pride myself
on being a great Training Partner, whether it be for Craig in the gym or in the cage or on the mat for someone
getting ready for a fight or tournament.
I always wished to emulate the "tough guys" I saw in the movies and television when I was a kid. Like many little
skinny runts who were picked upon, I had grandiose dreams of kicking back the sand in the faces of those who
humiliated me. My 30 year High School Reunion approaches and the kid who bullied me most is set to attend. Who
knows.
Harley
I was at my 40th high school reunion and grabbed the guy who stepped on my blue suede shoes back in 1957 or so.
He shit himself and apologized profusely but I was just kidding him! Have fun at your reunion. It will be a shock to see
everyone looking older, especially the gals. If you have the event over two days everyone will look normal again by
the end of the reunion. Amazing what the brain does updating reality.
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Dear Chaos,
You asked about the last time I was in a street fight.
I would note 3 things in response to your question:
1) I never claimed to be a good fighter
2) It is much easier fighting a non-trained, probably drunk, stamina ridden jerk in the street
than it is to walk on a mat with a guy who trains just for this particular circumstance.
3) I had written earlier that I was charged with having put a guy in a hospital as a result of a street
fight just last year. Given that my legal team had the charges eventually dismissed, I remind you of this
only in the "hypothetical" as you put it.
I am no tough guy. I just won't stand for bullies anymore.
Harley
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No and no. I think you need to have that permit, and it probably concerns you to think of losing it.
Dear Las Vegas,
I thank you for your support. Trust me, I am far less likely to shoot anyone with my legal permit to carry
than those who carry without a permit. Remember, those guys know almost nothing about gun safety and can't
practice shooting anywhere. I could tell you stories about clients who accidentally killed their own friends and babies
because they didn't know how to handle their illegal guns, just in pulling them out of their pockets.
I would support your position if it opposed me carrying just as well but I am glad we see eye to eye on this one.
Harley
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Dear Chaos,
You asked about the last time I was in a street fight.
I would note 3 things in response to your question:
1) I never claimed to be a good fighter
2) It is much easier fighting a non-trained, probably drunk, stamina ridden jerk in the street
than it is to walk on a mat with a guy who trains just for this particular circumstance.
3) I had written earlier that I was charged with having put a guy in a hospital as a result of a street
fight just last year. Given that my legal team had the charges eventually dismissed, I remind you of this
only in the "hypothetical" as you put it.
I am no tough guy. I just won't stand for bullies anymore.
Harley
1) I didn't make that assumption.
2) Of course it is!
3) I'm not completely up to date on the new stud in town so I've got questions. Link to the story? Or point me to a thread/page number?
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1) I didn't make that assumption.
2) Of course it is!
3) I'm not completely up to date on the new stud in town so I've got questions. Link to the story? Or point me to a thread/page number?
Dear Chaos,
"Stud", no. I think the story is in the thread about my client who killed his lover with a 25 pound dumbbell.
Since you guys were kind enough to start this thread, I have pretty much stayed here as it is much less
confusing to me.
Harley
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7 minutes of two men holding each others lapels and one declared the winner.
Because Harley was the aggressor. You can't have a fight when someone runs away. He essentially forfeited the match.
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Because Harley was the aggressor. You can't have a fight when someone runs away. He essentially forfeited the match.
When the referee actually hit me with a warning for stalling, I turned to him and spoke Portuguese asking him if he was kidding.
I am thinking about competing September 12th at the Newbreed East Coast Championships but it is a far ride to Long Island from
where I live.
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So is this Harley guy legit or what?
Yes. Placing 2nd in the Mundials is no joke. And he had to forfeit the gold due to injury.
I've never heard of him before this thread but this fella is an extremely accomplished individual. I just marvel at guys like him. Where do they find the time and energy to do so much? Just running his law firm alone is more than most people can handle.
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When the referee actually hit me with a warning for stalling, I turned to him and spoke Portuguese asking him if he was kidding.
I am thinking about competing September 12th at the Newbreed East Coast Championships but it is a far ride to Long Island from
where I live.
LOL@ Stalling. I don't think you stepped backwards once in the match. He kept retreating out of bounds the whole fight. He traveled all the way from Russia to do this. What a waste.
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Dear Pellius,
Thanks for the compliments. Time is one of my most precious assets and I hate when people take it for granted. I have so many different interests in life
and that is for sure one reason why I never fully excel at any one of them in particular. I wish my piano playing was better.
Why the guy came from Russia only to refuse to engage is odd to me too.
After the match before we received our medals I tried to engage him in pleasant conversation by telling him how much I admire and enjoy the
great Russian authors. He gave me a quizzical look and in a challenging tone, asked me if I ever read any of them. I have and I responded honestly and
he couldn't hide his surprise so I pressed further and attempted to engage him in talk of Solzhenitsyn seeing as he asked which was my favorite. He continued to be
an arrogant jerk and then told me what whores ALL Brazilian women were because his Brazilian wife stole all his money but he was still very rich. He then said, "the dark ones
are the worse."
I told him that my wife was both black and Brazilian and that I was only a stupid, poor American lawyer but smart enough to have her sign a Prenuptial Agreement in both
Portuguese and English. I then left him alone.
Harley
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Dear Chaos,
I am not sure what you mean by "legit" but we have already established the following:
1) I am who I claim to be and am not a "gimmick."
2) I am a Criminal Defense Attorney by profession.
3) I have terrible computer/internet skills.
4) I am a Purple Belt Royler Gracie BJJ student. Some of my matches are extremely boring. I am a 2-Time World Champion.
5) I am IFBB Pro Craig Richardson's Training Partner for the past 17 years.
6) I personally, am sponsoring a COMPLETELY FREE opportunity for ANY AND ALL GetBiggers to train with Craig,
take part in a seminar and have lunch with Craig at a gym in NJ sometime in October. There are NO fees, costs or selling
of any products.
7) My hair is something I am holding onto tighter than the last passenger falling off The Titanic.
Harley
Dear Chaos
Harley is indeed very legit
just watch any of the BFO videos from 2004 on and you will see what sort of person Harley is.
he is what many getbiggers wish they were/ or pretend to be lol
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Thanks for the praise but I'm not sure I would completely agree.
I think I am just in a very unique and fortunate position and that is the true
reason I starting to post on GB because I wanted to share some of the stories, the real
truths about the sport, drugs, persons, training, diet, etc.
I felt I owed it to all of us "normal" guys who just got lucky and for those
who can just enjoy joining me for the ride.
I'm very hopeful that you guys will come up and introduce yourselves at the Mr. O
this year. Craig is competing in the 212 Division.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I really would like to learn how to send some photos that I have as emails on my computer, in my phone and
photos I have in my computer.
Yes, I have virtually no computer skills as I previously mentioned but would be happy to learn if any of you
could provide IDIOT SIMPLE directions for this idiot. I think one of you was kind enough to do that somewhere on
this site but I can't find where.
I thought perhaps you might enjoy seeing photos of Craig's progress, training stuff, BJJ, MMA (or even cars) behind the scenes stuff or whatever you might
request that has nothing to do with gay porn, racism, politics or other weird stuff which I wouldn't have anyway.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I really would like to learn how to send some photos that I have as emails on my computer, in my phone and
photos I have in my computer.
Yes, I have virtually no computer skills as I previously mentioned but would be happy to learn if any of you
could provide IDIOT SIMPLE directions for this idiot. I think one of you was kind enough to do that somewhere on
this site but I can't find where.
I thought perhaps you might enjoy seeing photos of Craig's progress, training stuff, BJJ, MMA (or even cars) behind the scenes stuff or whatever you might
request that has nothing to do with gay porn, racism, politics or other weird stuff which I wouldn't have anyway.
Harley
hey all you computer whizzes on getbig
please help Harley here, im sure he has some great pics to share
some shots of you with Craig, and other pros from seminars, training etc would be great and much appreciated
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Dear Chaos
Harley is indeed very legit
just watch any of the BFO videos from 2004 on and you will see what sort of person Harley is.
he is what many getbiggers wish they were/ or pretend to be lol
Link?
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from MD
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sorry guys don't know how to imbed
im terrible with computers
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sorry guys don't know how to imbed
im terrible with computers
This we can help you with.
Simply copy the link...
Hit the youtube button up there
You will get something that looks like "youtube][/youtube"
Paste in between the ] [
remove the S from https://
You should be good
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This we can help you with.
Simply copy the link...
Hit the youtube button up there
You will get something that looks like "youtube][/youtube"
Paste in between the ] [
remove the S from https://
You should be good
thanks Tu
but no "youtube'button is appearing?
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How has Harley's identity been verified on Getbig?
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How has Harley's identity been verified on Getbig?
His posting style hasnt changed since 2008.
If someone has been pulling off a gimmick that long its likely they are more like Harley than Harley
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His posting style hasnt changed since 2008.
If someone has been pulling off a gimmick that long its likely they are more like Harley than Harley
remember that imposter who said he was a famous bodybuilder? He even had blue stars on Getbig. I can't remember his user name,.
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remember that imposter who said he was a famous bodybuilder? He even had blue stars on Getbig. I can't remember his user name,.
Uncle Junior
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remember that imposter who said he was a famous bodybuilder? He even had blue stars on Getbig. I can't remember his user name,.
If anyone shows up to Craig Richardson's seminar you can meet Harley in person.
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thanks Tu
but no "youtube'button is appearing?
When you reply it's right above the smiley faces on the left.
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Harley, with your schedule how often are you able to train with
Craig? Also, do you do the exact same routine as he does?
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Harley,
Would you be willing to fight Uncle Junior? He claims a 5-0 MMA record and really needs a good ass-beating, if not an outright crippling. He'll likely whimper a lot and threaten to "out" you on this board (you're already "out"), then he might wave a few hundred British pounds under your nose in the hopes you'll take it and take a dive.
He claims to train at a place called "Shootfighters" ( ::)) somewhere in London. Getbig will arrange for travel.
If not, can you kick Darren Avey's ass instead?
Thanks,
_aj_
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Dear Pellius,
I guess because this is the only site on which I've participated and that the facts most obviously speak for themselves
after all this time (and my own persona phone call from OneMoreRep) it's hard to believe that people still ask if I am a "gimmick".
As to your questions- For the past 17 years, Craig and I have trained together for 5 days per week.
One thing I find to ensure consistency, in any aspect of life, is to enforce a strict schedule.
Given that I work for "myself" I have a bit more flexibility but Craig works from 7:00 am to 3:30 pm everyday at a 4,500 student High School where
he is both the Truant Officer and Attendance Officer.
We therefore set a schedule where we train on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 4:00 pm.
We also train on Saturday at 10:30 am and Sunday at 11:00 am.
A successful tool in achieving results is to schedule everything possible AROUND your set gym times. And before you guys go nuts, yes, it can, to a great
deal, be done. Oh, it takes sacrifice and you must be adamant about it (no bullshit social affairs, no wife telling you to go somewhere during gym time, no
having to watch your daughter practice field hockey, no "I have to catch up on my work.")
If you set this schedule and begin to live by it, others will work around your schedule, believe me.
Of course, life creates difficulties and emergencies so there are exceptions but they are few.
As per "routine," yes, I do everything Craig does but with less weight. LOL. When he is close to a contest, he will add lunges in between sets but I don't
do those. We do the same machines and exercises. I spot him and then he spots me. It helps create a rhythm as well.
Harley
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Harley,
Would you be willing to fight Uncle Junior? He claims a 5-0 MMA record and really needs a good ass-beating, if not an outright crippling. He'll likely whimper a lot and threaten to "out" you on this board (you're already "out"), then he might wave a few hundred British pounds under your nose in the hopes you'll take it and take a dive.
He claims to train at a place called "Shootfighters" ( ::)) somewhere in London. Getbig will arrange for travel.
If not, can you kick Darren Avey's ass instead?
Thanks,
Dear AJ,
I don't know who these guys are. I apologize.
I enjoy training much more than the actual competition as I have problems calming my nerves. I do compete but it's not fun.
If I were to "fight" someone, I would want it to be where all the proceeds go to my charity for Mentally and Physically Challenged Kids.
Harley
_aj_
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Hey Guys,
I really would like to learn how to send some photos that I have as emails on my computer, in my phone and
photos I have in my computer.
Yes, I have virtually no computer skills as I previously mentioned but would be happy to learn if any of you
could provide IDIOT SIMPLE directions for this idiot. I think one of you was kind enough to do that somewhere on
this site but I can't find where.
I thought perhaps you might enjoy seeing photos of Craig's progress, training stuff, BJJ, MMA (or even cars) behind the scenes stuff or whatever you might
request that has nothing to do with gay porn, racism, politics or other weird stuff which I wouldn't have anyway.
Harley
Once you do it the first time, that will be all you need to keep doing it. Just keep that fact in mind and it's no big deal (it is much much easier to do than you think, probably).
Is it possible for you to use Windows on your first run (normal desktop computer)?
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Harley,
Would you be willing to fight Uncle Junior? He claims a 5-0 MMA record and really needs a good ass-beating, if not an outright crippling. He'll likely whimper a lot and threaten to "out" you on this board (you're already "out"), then he might wave a few hundred British pounds under your nose in the hopes you'll take it and take a dive.
He claims to train at a place called "Shootfighters" ( ::)) somewhere in London. Getbig will arrange for travel.
If not, can you kick Darren Avey's ass instead?
Thanks,
_aj_
Shootfighters is actually a very good gym. A friend of mine (himself a 5 or 6 time world champion kickboxer) is friends with one of their guys, Michael 'Venom' Paige. He often has him come down to his gym or to feature on events he puts on.
If you enjoy MMA have a look at Paige on youtube, he's got a unique style and is working his way toward the UFC. He's also a really nice guy.
Some highlights
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Shootfighters is actually a very good gym. A friend of mine (himself a 5 or 6 time world champion kickboxer) is friends with one of their guys, Michael 'Venom' Paige. He often has him come down to his gym or to feature on events he puts on.
If you enjoy MMA have a look at Paige on youtube, he's got a unique style and is working his way toward the UFC. He's also a really nice guy.
Some highlights
I am sure it is, it was the "Joon + Shootfighters" that gets the ::)
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I am sure it is, it was the "Joon + Shootfighters" that gets the ::)
I get the feeling you don't quite believe him... odd :D
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Once you do it the first time, that will be all you need to keep doing it. Just keep that fact in mind and it's no big deal (it is much much easier to do than you think, probably).
Is it possible for you to use Windows on your first run (normal desktop computer)?
Once I get directions, I can try it right away. I do have Windows on my computer.
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Dear Pellius,
I guess because this is the only site on which I've participated and that the facts most obviously speak for themselves
after all this time (and my own persona phone call from OneMoreRep) it's hard to believe that people still ask if I am a "gimmick".
Harley
Does One sound as sexy on the phone as I imagine? :P
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Dear Chaos,
I was taken by surprise when my phone rang, I answered it and it was OneMoreRep.
He could not have been more polite and accomodating.
I inferred he was a very nice, successful and busy person.
I hope he calls again. As for him sounding "sexy" I go down a different road so my sensors were not "in tune" to his voice, that
being of a man's.
Harley
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Dear Chaos,
I was taken by surprise when my phone rang, I answered it and it was OneMoreRep.
He could not have been more polite and accomodating.
I inferred he was a very nice, successful and busy person.
I hope he calls again. As for him sounding "sexy" I go down a different road so my sensors were not "in tune" to his voice, that
being of a man's.
Harley
Translation: yes, it was trés sexy!
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Once I get directions, I can try it right away. I do have Windows on my computer.
Harley, best way to start is to have a tab open to the thread to communicate, and another tab open to the thread to post pictures.
Are you good w that part (any problems)?
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So you can change back and forth between tabs during the process, as you need.
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Where is the thread to post pictures?
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Where is the thread to post pictures?
Can do right here, if you want. I don't think anyone will mind.
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Harley, way to start is to simply open two tabs to this thread.
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I think I am confused by the term "tab."
I did mention this wouldn't be fun for you.
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I think I am confused by the term "tab."
I did mention this wouldn't be fun for you.
No trouble at all, Harley. Like I said, as soon as you do it successfully you will have it for good so it's worth it to get through the initial barrier.
Do you know what browser you are using? (If not, describe the symbol you click on to get online...what color is it)
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I go to Internet Explorer and then type in GetBig in the AOL searcher thing and it brings me to this website.
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I go to Internet Explorer and then type in GetBig in the AOL searcher thing and it brings me to this website.
Look in upper left for 'file', then click 'new tab'... let me know if any problems
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The MSN browser came up
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The MSN browser came up
That's probably your home page. So if you look near the top of your screen, you should see two sideways rectangles that you can click back and forth on...one will open MSN and the other will open this thread. Is that right so far?
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Yes, I understand that. I can go back and forth because there are tabs on top of my computer
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(http://media.giphy.com/media/vjwACwDxB0hZ6/giphy.gif)
:D
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Yes, I understand that. I can go back and forth because there are tabs on top of my computer
Click on the MSN tab and get to this thread however you are used to doing (quickest way is to copy-paste from the getbig address bar into the MSN address bar, but any way you want to do it is OK)
Then when you do that, use the new tab to look for something that says "new topic".. is near the upper right.
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While I admit this must be the most boring thread ever, perhaps Las Vegas could be inspired as this will be a valuable
tool for all future GetBiggers?
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I only see "Reply" "Notify", etc.
I don't see New Topic
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I found new topic.
It's only on the front page of Gossips and Opinions but I found it.
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I found it and hit New Topic but is that how I am going to put my pictures in this thread that already exists?
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While I admit this must be the most boring thread ever, perhaps Las Vegas could be inspired as this will be a valuable
tool for all future GetBiggers?
Not at all boring, Harley... yes, you can bet there are other people that haven't posted pics because they thought it's too much trouble.
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I found new topic.
It's only on the front page of Gossips and Opinions but I found it.
Yes, each board has a 'new topic' clicker to post new thread on it (gossip and opinions, general, political, nutrition, sports etc)
And I forgot we were going to do it on this thread for now instead of starting new thread, so just go back and click reply on this thread (lower right).
Let me know if any troubke
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I can picture Harley using the 'hovering finger' typing technique. ;D
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I can picture Harley using the 'hovering finger' typing technique. ;D
Only for the first time, though ;D
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I know how to hit Reply. It displays a whole bunch of pictured icons.
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I know how to hit Reply. It displays a whole bunch of pictured icons.
ok so now you have two tabs that you can click back and forth as needed... both tabs are on getbig... one tab you are communicating on, the other you are attempting to post pic with.
do you know if you have a pic that is relatively small, by any chance? you can get your first pic up almost immediately if so
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I have a picture ready to go for test purposes.
If you write out the directions, I'll try it
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I see the Insert Image icon.
Now it's frustrating as I can't figure it out by myself.
I have a photo from inside my computer and I have this icon but I can't seem to transfer
the photo into this Reply Box.
I have to be the only idiot who can't do this.
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I promise that once I learn how to do this, you guys will be sorry. However, seeing as the photos will be on this
thread, I won't pollute all of GetBig with photos of bodybuilders, MMA, BJJ, cars, and strippers.
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I have a picture ready to go for test purposes.
If you write out the directions, I'll try it
OK... look to the lower left underneath the white box you post in and click 'additional options"... then you will see something saying 'attach' with a button that says 'browse'... do you see that?
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I see the Insert Image icon.
Now it's frustrating as I can't figure it out by myself.
I have a photo from inside my computer and I have this icon but I can't seem to transfer
the photo into this Reply Box.
I have to be the only idiot who can't do this.
Click on "additional options" under the white test input box and use "attach image" there.
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I see the Insert Image icon.
Now it's frustrating as I can't figure it out by myself.
I have a photo from inside my computer and I have this icon but I can't seem to transfer
the photo into this Reply Box.
I have to be the only idiot who can't do this.
What you describe is for posting images that already exist somewhere on the internet. That is a super-simple way to post those kind of images, but you are trying to post your own. That is the difference.
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OK... look to the lower left underneath the white box you post in and click 'additional options"... then you will see something saying 'attach' with a button that says 'browse'... do you see that?
The above is for after you click 'reply' (lower right), of course.
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(http://)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=642275;image)
Harley looking SWOLE!
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Dear Las Vegas,
Wow!! Thanks.
Before you guys go hating on the photos, I am just learning how to do this.
One question: Before it lets me Post the photo, it reads "Message Box Empty" and won't send it.
Is there something to hit as sometimes I won't have anything to say but to send the photo?
And thanks again. I promise to become more proficient.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Wow!! Thanks.
Before you guys go hating on the photos, I am just learning how to do this.
One question: Before it lets me Post the photo, it reads "Message Box Empty" and won't send it.
Is there something to hit as sometimes I won't have anything to say but to send the photo?
And thanks again. I promise to become more proficient.
Harley
you can just put period or smiley or whatever...if you're posting the other way (existing pics from internet) it won't do that
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at some point you'll get 'file size too large' if pic is too big... will give you a pre-emptive solution for that in a sec
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Almost every photo in my computer I try to send is rejected as being "too large"
There is some sort of 500 mgb limit?
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Almost every photo in my computer I try to send is rejected as being "too large"
There is some sort of 500 mgb limit?
500 kb per pic
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I hope the feeling of accomplishment in successfully posting pictures to getbig, shadows all others in life.
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I am so use to measuring everything by "mg" or "iu" I didn't realize.
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I am so use to measuring everything by "mg" or "iu" I didn't realize.
Haha!
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Hahaha Harley letting his hair down in this thread.
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Once I get past that stupid size limit, it will be much kooler.
Sort of sounds like the story of my life.
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Harley, looks like the best site to use for those kind of files is postimage dot org
choose your favorite pic that's too large, and go to the above site (open a third tab to do that) and do the same thing (click browse, then choose file etc)... then keep that tab open for now and will show you how to post pic that way
let me know if you have any trouble
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Dear Las Vegas,
I can't thank you enough. Now, it just got complicated for my small mind.
I am going to run out to court now (I'm only 40 minutes late- as if they actually start on time) and
look to tackle this issue when I get back.
I didn't want you to think I was ignoring you or was unappreciative.
Thanks.
Harley
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...I mean don't close (x out of) that tab with postimage dot org after you load the pic, btw. you'll see why as you go.
Just click back on your communication tab when ready (just saw your latest post, Harley... yes we can pick this up later... but you see it's all good and not complicated.. excellent pics so far)
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Craig and I
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(http://)
Swole Harley!
what do you weigh in that pic Harley?
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That picture in the pool was in Las Vegas a day after one of the Mr. O's in which Craig competed.
I was probably around 190 lbs but not terribly cut at all. At that time, I was trying to get some
size. I'm only 5'7 tall.
That picture of me standing there with Craig I weighed exactly 170 lbs.
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Craig and I
looking good there Harley
did you ever compete in BB?
how long have you been weight training?
and how long have you been doing BJJ?
and WHERE do u find the time to do both??!! and work as an attorney and help intellectually disabled kids and spend time with your wife??!!
quite amazing :D
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That picture in the pool was in Las Vegas a day after one of the Mr. O's in which Craig competed.
I was probably around 190 lbs but not terribly cut at all. At that time, I was trying to get some
size. I'm only 5'7 tall.
That picture of me standing there with Craig I weighed exactly 170 lbs.
A lean and mean 170, no doubt!
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also who were the 3 largest BB pro's you met in person?
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At the risk of severe criticism, I now try to post my favorite picture of myself.
The reason for this is a bit long but any of you old-school bodybuilding fans (circa 1980's)
might remember a certain Cybergenics magazine ad. If you do, you already know half the story.
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;D
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At the risk of severe criticism, I now try to post my favorite picture of myself.
The reason for this is a bit long but any of you old-school bodybuilding fans (circa 1980's)
might remember a certain Cybergenics magazine ad. If you do, you already know half the story.
Oh god. Las Vegas... what have you done?
Hahaha, looking good Harley. No homo.
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At the risk of severe criticism, I now try to post my favorite picture of myself.
The reason for this is a bit long but any of you old-school bodybuilding fans (circa 1980's)
might remember a certain Cybergenics magazine ad. If you do, you already know half the story.
Shades of johnnynoname, very erotic Harley
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Oh god. Las Vegas... what have you done?
Hahaha, looking good Harley. No homo.
;D ;D yes, looking like a getbigger now 100 percent, harley!
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did you take that pic to get into acting/modeling harley
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looking good there Harley
did you ever compete in BB?
how long have you been weight training?
and how long have you been doing BJJ?
and WHERE do u find the time to do both??!! and work as an attorney and help intellectually disabled kids and spend time with your wife??!!
quite amazing :D
Dear Old School Lifter,
Thank you for the compliment and here are my again, honest answers;
1) I have never competed in a BB competition because I am unqualified to do so. I could never put on that type of size and get that ripped.
I have no calves. And when I say I have no calves, it's not like when you guys bust Dennis Wolf or whomever it is, I actually don't have muscular
development around my calves. In my defense, 1) You don't need calves to get laid 2) I entered a Hot Body Contest in Daytona Beach during Spring Break and it was probably the most
awesome thing I ever did on a number of levels and 3) No one ever won a fight by having big calves.
One day, if anyone cares, I will tell what I think was a very funny story regarding my desire to get calf implants and the G4P (that's gay for pay I think)
that they wanted with it.
2) I was introduced to bodybuilding just shy of my 13th birthday. A friend of my family used to travel to some place in Ohio, by himself, once a year to go watch
"some bodybuilding show." Everyone thought he was strange because he got huge and he was, at that time, in his mid 30's. As a Bar Mitvah gift, I got a training lesson
from him and he advised my parents to buy me a home bench press with the leg extension on the end and some skinny York plates, barbell and dumbbells. I thought I
was going to look like Franco Columbo only because I too, was short. Hey, I was 12, what did I know? I read the magazines and would train but stop and then train but
stop. The day I graduated High School weighing only 88 pounds, I turned to everyone and said, "You will never bully me again" and then I devoted myself to serious
weight training and martial arts.
3) I had been training karate and kickboxing for perhaps 18 years and then realized that I was missing a ground game and began training BJJ with Mike Mrkulic, David Adiv and Royler
Gracie and then continued and moved on with others and quickly turned it into MMA as well.
4) As far as "finding time," I consider time my most valuable asset. I took up painting 2 years ago, I study languages, I took up piano 7 years ago and those things, along with my gym
time with Craig and my BJJ/MMA time leave me hard pressed for "free time." I do own my own law practice to which I devote about 60 hours per week. And yes, I do run my own charity for mentally and physically challenged kids. As far as my wife, I am fairly recently married. My wife is Brazilian (I only speak Portuguese to her but she is learning English of course) and she is very understanding. The first day I met her, I spelled out all my flaws and "proclivities" which I could not or was not willing to change. She said she could accept them and thus, I continued to be with her. Interesting note, before meeting my wife, I was technically engaged to her sister, a 5 year younger version of my wife who is practically an identical twin. My wife, understanding men and my own issues, has no issues when the 3 of us get together. Yes, that is what I am saying- just what you are thinking- NO issues.
5) Lastly, "the 3 biggest bodybuilders I've ever met" is a difficult one to answer because they were all huge in the 80's and off season did not mean "off" season if you know what I mean.
In an effort to answer the question, I know Paul Dillet was a frighteningly massive person. He was just like a dinosaur. Another guy you wouldn't think was an off season Lee Priest. Now before
you guys go nuts, Lee Priest was one of the biggest short guys I've ever seen in my entire life. He "appeared" to weigh 280 at 5'4 feet tall. The other guy was Paul DeMayo. He stood up to greet
me and his hand swallowed my whole arm. He was huge, dense and thick. He had dimension to him and if you guys ever see what I mean by "dimension", you know that few bodybuilders, especially of
today, have "dimension."
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I never had delusions that I could be a model. I took the photo to memorialize a dream, a goal of mine which
no one but Craig thought I could achieve.
Harley
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Well that should be enough for you all to question my heterosexuality.
Just remember, if you come to Vegas for the Mr. O, you are invited to hang with us afterward too.
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Dear Las Vegas,
I never had delusions that I could be a model. I took the photo to memorialize a dream, a goal of mine which
no one but Craig thought I could achieve.
Harley
what was yiur weight there (around 170, too?)
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HARLEY WAS LEAN AND MEAN; RIPPED AS STEEL!
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Here is my MMA Coach/BJJ Professor Sean Santella actually breaking my rib in this moment. The film crew from the documentary we
are making was able to make a photo from that frame.
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Thank you for the compliment and here are my again, honest answers;
1) I have never competed in a BB competition because I am unqualified to do so. I could never put on that type of size and get that ripped.
I have no calves. And when I say I have no calves, it's not like when you guys bust Dennis Wolf or whomever it is, I actually don't have muscular
development around my calves. In my defense, 1) You don't need calves to get laid 2) I entered a Hot Body Contest in Daytona Beach during Spring Break and it was probably the most
awesome thing I ever did on a number of levels and 3) No one ever won a fight by having big calves.
One day, if anyone cares, I will tell what I think was a very funny story regarding my desire to get calf implants and the G4P (that's gay for pay I think)
that they wanted with it.
2) I was introduced to bodybuilding just shy of my 13th birthday. A friend of my family used to travel to some place in Ohio, by himself, once a year to go watch
"some bodybuilding show." Everyone thought he was strange because he got huge and he was, at that time, in his mid 30's. As a Bar Mitvah gift, I got a training lesson
from him and he advised my parents to buy me a home bench press with the leg extension on the end and some skinny York plates, barbell and dumbbells. I thought I
was going to look like Franco Columbo only because I too, was short. Hey, I was 12, what did I know? I read the magazines and would train but stop and then train but
stop. The day I graduated High School weighing only 88 pounds, I turned to everyone and said, "You will never bully me again" and then I devoted myself to serious
weight training and martial arts.
3) I had been training karate and kickboxing for perhaps 18 years and then realized that I was missing a ground game and began training BJJ with Mike Mrkulic, David Adiv and Royler
Gracie and then continued and moved on with others and quickly turned it into MMA as well.
4) As far as "finding time," I consider time my most valuable asset. I took up painting 2 years ago, I study languages, I took up piano 7 years ago and those things, along with my gym
time with Craig and my BJJ/MMA time leave me hard pressed for "free time." I do own my own law practice to which I devote about 60 hours per week. And yes, I do run my own charity for mentally and physically challenged kids. As far as my wife, I am fairly recently married. My wife is Brazilian (I only speak Portuguese to her but she is learning English of course) and she is very understanding. The first day I met her, I spelled out all my flaws and "proclivities" which I could not or was not willing to change. She said she could accept them and thus, I continued to be with her. Interesting note, before meeting my wife, I was technically engaged to her sister, a 5 year younger version of my wife who is practically an identical twin. My wife, understanding men and my own issues, has no issues when the 3 of us get together. Yes, that is what I am saying- just what you are thinking- NO issues. 5) Lastly, "the 3 biggest bodybuilders I've ever met" is a difficult one to answer because they were all huge in the 80's and off season did not mean "off" season if you know what I mean.
In an effort to answer the question, I know Paul Dillet was a frighteningly massive person. He was just like a dinosaur. Another guy you wouldn't think was an off season Lee Priest. Now before
you guys go nuts, Lee Priest was one of the biggest short guys I've ever seen in my entire life. He "appeared" to weigh 280 at 5'4 feet tall. The other guy was Paul DeMayo. He stood up to greet
me and his hand swallowed my whole arm. He was huge, dense and thick. He had dimension to him and if you guys ever see what I mean by "dimension", you know that few bodybuilders, especially of
today, have "dimension."
Harley
Harley the fact you pulled that off suggests you are a very skilled man, if I ever get charged with murder I want you in my corner!
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what was yiur weight there (around 170, too?)
It was exactly 167 for those photos on that day.
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My beloved Bruno
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1st Place- World Championships- Brazil
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Well that should be enough for you all to question my heterosexuality.
Just remember, if you come to Vegas for the Mr. O, you are invited to hang with us afterward too.
A slight resemblance to Kevin Durand when you have lean face.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=642508;image)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/01/49/d6/0149d60a88f776f537b9dc425ab5959d.jpg)
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Well that should be enough for you all to question my heterosexuality.
Just remember, if you come to Vegas for the Mr. O, you are invited to hang with us afterward too.
now this definitely looks like it was done for promo reasons (of the non-legal kind)
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Here is my MMA Coach/BJJ Professor Sean Santella actually breaking my rib in this moment. The film crew from the documentary we
are making was able to make a photo from that frame.
this one didnt upload harley
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I also lecture to young kids in school to avoid problems
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My Coach breaking my rib
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how long did you have beard harley (or am i seeing things?)
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(http://)
That star around your neck has nothing to do with David. It's a satanic star. The star of Moloch.
SYNOGOGUE OF SATAN. Just thought I'd let you know in case you didn't know. You're welcome.
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That star around your neck has nothing to do with David. It's a satanic star. The star of Moloch.
SYNOGOGUE OF SATAN. Just thought I'd let you know in case you didn't know. You're welcome.
Dear Wiggs,
If it's any consolation, I'm not really friends with David, he's just a guy I met a few times.
Harley
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Dear Wiggs,
If it's any consolation, I'm not really friends with David, he's just a guy I met a few times.
Harley
You've met King David? Lets not act dim Mr. Breite...
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how long did you have beard harley (or am i seeing things?)
The beard was when I decided to leave my job and everything else and throw myself into MMA training for 4 months. I literally left everything on my desk
and trained 3 times per day like a pro fighter. I grew the beard to help keep me isolated and remind everyone that I just didn't give a fuck about anything but
my training. It was pretty damn kool. Then I came back to the real world. But it was fun.
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You've met King David? Lets not act dim Mr. Breite...
Dear Wiggs,
Other than perhaps Waller, Las Vegas, SF1900, Irongrip and AJ, there is no man alive to whom I would address the title of
"King."
I don't want to fight with you about any of your beliefs. My religious, political and historical beliefs are not at all important to anyone here and
in fact, most of the time, they do little to move my direction in life.
I'm just here to hang out with the guys who still want to be guys and don't get dragged to baby showers.
Harley
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Dear Wiggs,
Other than perhaps Waller, Las Vegas, SF1900, Irongrip and AJ, there is no man alive to whom I would address the title of
"King."
I don't want to fight with you about any of your beliefs. My religious, political and historical beliefs are not at all important to anyone here and
in fact, most of the time, they do little to move my direction in life.
I'm just here to hang out with the guys who still want to be guys and don't get dragged to baby showers.
Harley
You're very efficient at dodging questions you don't want to address Breite. You've been taught well.
It doesn't work with me Breite. You obviously feel some way about it wearing a demonic star around your neck.
Fine. Hangout and kickback. The truths of history will still be told by yours truly. Nothing personal. BTW, great physique when you're in shape.
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The beard was when I decided to leave my job and everything else and throw myself into MMA training for 4 months. I literally left everything on my desk
and trained 3 times per day like a pro fighter. I grew the beard to help keep me isolated and remind everyone that I just didn't give a fuck about anything but
my training. It was pretty damn kool. Then I came back to the real world. But it was fun.
bet it was weird after you shaved.. not only the weird physical feeling on your face but the shock looking into the mirror the first few times when you almost forget that you lost beard
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Harley,
After reading this thread, I must affirm that you are a man of good looks, personality, intelligence, and a good physique.
Our resident "Uncle Junior" would be jealous of you.
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Competing
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Harley,
After reading this thread, I must affirm that you are a man of good looks, personality, intelligence, and a good physique.
Our resident "Uncle Junior" would be jealous of you.
Superior Edomite Genetics.
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Superior Edomite Genetics.
:D :D :D :D
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You're very efficient at dodging questions you don't want to address Breite. You've been taught well.
It doesn't work with me Breite. You obviously feel some way about it wearing a demonic star around your neck.
Fine. Hangout and kickback. The truths of history will still be told by yours truly. Nothing personal. BTW, great physique when you're in shape.
I just wonder, because creationists believe we all descend from 2 people. So if anyone is Hebrew we must all be.
Evolutionists believe we all originate from Africa, so if anyone is Hebrew we all must be.
Or if watering down the bloodlines does in fact reduce Hebrew lineage surely a lot of African Americans aren't true Hebrews, since America was colonised, has immigrants of a wide range of races and much mixed race breeding has occurred with African Americans.
I'm left unsure what the parameters for 'true Hebrew' are...
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I still need to answer this. I apologize.
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Karate
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I still need to answer this. I apologize.
Apology accepted, my good man.
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Thank you for the compliment and here are my again, honest answers;
1) I have never competed in a BB competition because I am unqualified to do so. I could never put on that type of size and get that ripped.
I have no calves. And when I say I have no calves, it's not like when you guys bust Dennis Wolf or whomever it is, I actually don't have muscular
development around my calves. In my defense, 1) You don't need calves to get laid 2) I entered a Hot Body Contest in Daytona Beach during Spring Break and it was probably the most
awesome thing I ever did on a number of levels and 3) No one ever won a fight by having big calves.
One day, if anyone cares, I will tell what I think was a very funny story regarding my desire to get calf implants and the G4P (that's gay for pay I think)
that they wanted with it.
2) I was introduced to bodybuilding just shy of my 13th birthday. A friend of my family used to travel to some place in Ohio, by himself, once a year to go watch
"some bodybuilding show." Everyone thought he was strange because he got huge and he was, at that time, in his mid 30's. As a Bar Mitvah gift, I got a training lesson
from him and he advised my parents to buy me a home bench press with the leg extension on the end and some skinny York plates, barbell and dumbbells. I thought I
was going to look like Franco Columbo only because I too, was short. Hey, I was 12, what did I know? I read the magazines and would train but stop and then train but
stop. The day I graduated High School weighing only 88 pounds, I turned to everyone and said, "You will never bully me again" and then I devoted myself to serious
weight training and martial arts.
3) I had been training karate and kickboxing for perhaps 18 years and then realized that I was missing a ground game and began training BJJ with Mike Mrkulic, David Adiv and Royler
Gracie and then continued and moved on with others and quickly turned it into MMA as well.
4) As far as "finding time," I consider time my most valuable asset. I took up painting 2 years ago, I study languages, I took up piano 7 years ago and those things, along with my gym
time with Craig and my BJJ/MMA time leave me hard pressed for "free time." I do own my own law practice to which I devote about 60 hours per week. And yes, I do run my own charity for mentally and physically challenged kids. As far as my wife, I am fairly recently married. My wife is Brazilian (I only speak Portuguese to her but she is learning English of course) and she is very understanding. The first day I met her, I spelled out all my flaws and "proclivities" which I could not or was not willing to change. She said she could accept them and thus, I continued to be with her. Interesting note, before meeting my wife, I was technically engaged to her sister, a 5 year younger version of my wife who is practically an identical twin. My wife, understanding men and my own issues, has no issues when the 3 of us get together. Yes, that is what I am saying- just what you are thinking- NO issues.
5) Lastly, "the 3 biggest bodybuilders I've ever met" is a difficult one to answer because they were all huge in the 80's and off season did not mean "off" season if you know what I mean.
In an effort to answer the question, I know Paul Dillet was a frighteningly massive person. He was just like a dinosaur. Another guy you wouldn't think was an off season Lee Priest. Now before
you guys go nuts, Lee Priest was one of the biggest short guys I've ever seen in my entire life. He "appeared" to weigh 280 at 5'4 feet tall. The other guy was Paul DeMayo. He stood up to greet
me and his hand swallowed my whole arm. He was huge, dense and thick. He had dimension to him and if you guys ever see what I mean by "dimension", you know that few bodybuilders, especially of
today, have "dimension."
Harley
thanks for the lengthy reply Harley!
great stuff to hear about how it all began for you!
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Well that should be enough for you all to question my heterosexuality.
Just remember, if you come to Vegas for the Mr. O, you are invited to hang with us afterward too.
looking like a leaner harder brett the hitman hart ;D
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At the risk of severe criticism, I now try to post my favorite picture of myself.
The reason for this is a bit long but any of you old-school bodybuilding fans (circa 1980's)
might remember a certain Cybergenics magazine ad. If you do, you already know half the story.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=642498;image)
Outed!!
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Would love to see what's under that white blanket.
No really.
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Outed!!
Dear Chaos,
Again, being new to this site, I am going to infer that "outed" means that there is now some inarguable proof that I am homosexual.
While I have nothing against homosexuality (especially 2 hot chicks with implants and g strings wrestling in jello) I am just not homosexual.
My long history with strippers will vouch for that (as well as the other stupid things men do in order to bang hot chicks). Oh the receipts I have for
supporting single moms.
Well, I promise to send better pictures once I resolve this 500 size limit.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Is it hard to learn how to take pictures from my Email Folders and send them here?
I can't seem to get the box on bottom to let me send my pictures that are saved from emails I have received.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Is it hard to learn how to take pictures from my Email Folders and send them here?
I can't seem to get the box on bottom to let me send my pictures that are saved from emails I have received.
Harley
Upload to tinypic and post the links here.
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Upload to tinypic and post the links here.
harley.. you can try this or go to postimage dot org in a third tab (behind this and the two getbig tabs from before)..
when you upload, it will give you an address to copy or cut...
then click the pic icon like you did before, and paste between the sets of brackets (will see two bracketed IMG tags)
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last step is back on the getbig tab you're posting on
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Dear Las Vegas,
Is it hard to learn how to take pictures from my Email Folders and send them here?
I can't seem to get the box on bottom to let me send my pictures that are saved from emails I have received.
Harley
harley, for this just open the picture and save it to whatever folder you've so far been uploading from..
that's the quickest way to a solution (and those last couple posts are the way to put any pic on here w-o having a size problem)
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Harley,
You are a man of respect, integrity and intelligence.
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2003 Ferrari 575M
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2003 Ferrari 575M
nice
u owned this car Harley?
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Harley,
You are a man of respect, integrity and intelligence.
So what on earth are you doing here?!?!
(Just kidding, I'm in the HB fan club myself too) :) :)
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Yes it's mine and if I could figure this damn computer stuff out, I could prove it as I am sure to be audited.
I am trying to learn how to send the kooler pics I have.
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Me and Anderson Silva in Brasil
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Harley, please answer me a few questions:
1) What is your favorite television show?
2) What type of shampoo do you use on that beautiful, lustrous, grey mane of yours?
3) What is your favorite food (italian, mexican, indian, etc)?
4) What is your favorite genre of movies?
5) What is your favorite color?
6) How many hours do you sleep per night?
7) How often do you brush your teeth per day?
8 ) What type of books do you like to read?
9) What is your favorite snack to eat?
10) Do you sleep on your back, side or stomach?
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A Hard Day Training
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Harley, please answer me a few questions:
1) What is your favorite television show?
Twilight Zone, Taxi, Family Guy
2) What type of shampoo do you use on that beautiful, lustrous, grey mane of yours?
Paul Mitchell and then a special combination of conditioner and cream mixed together
3) What is your favorite food (italian, mexican, indian, etc)?
Italian by far
4) What is your favorite genre of movies?
I collect classic movie posters mostly from the 1930's and 1940's so anything black and white with great dialogue. I like classic old horror too.
I am assuming you meant, after porn
5) What is your favorite color?
Purple and mahogany
6) How many hours do you sleep per night?
Honestly, no more than 5
7) How often do you brush your teeth per day?
I am a bit obsessive on that- probably 8 times per day but I try and eat 5 times a day so that may be why
8 ) What type of books do you like to read?
Classic literature. Usually American from say 1800's to 1978
9) What is your favorite snack to eat?
Is pepperoni pizza a snack for you? It is for me. I am a food addict. I crave sweets, cheese and bread.
I would kill right now for a bagel or grilled cheese sandwich. Bacon cheeseburgers also curse me
10) Do you sleep on your back, side or stomach?
I'm not sure as I am not awake to notice but my bet is on my side with a handgun under my pillow and my Benelli M4 tricked out shotgun against the corner of my wall.
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I am building a 1963 Corvette Pro Street
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Harley, I am concerned about your brushing habits. I don't think its too good to brush your teeth that many times per day. The American Dental Association recommends brushing teeth 2-3x per day.
My favorite food is also italian. What is your favorite dish? Mine is chicken parm.
By the way, I absolutely love cheese!!
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This is the all aluminum 540 motor going into the 1967 Pro Street Chevelle I am building
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veal parm from Carmine's in NYC
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Off the grid
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Harley getbiggering it up in this thread.
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The engine for my 1971 TA I am building
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My surprise birthday gift to my Dad
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One of my parties
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I suck at this
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One of my parties
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One of my best friends who recently passed away. I was there the day they opened his
"Group Home" and he and 3 other "Special Persons" moved in.
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Taken about 2 weeks ago
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Craig winning the 2015 Chicago Pro 212 Class
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Being awarded my Purple Belt in Brasil at Gracie Humaita.
Some of you will recognize just what an honor that is for an American.
That is Rolker Gracie and Vitor Terra. Vitor Terra is one of my best friends and BJJ Professors.
He is a 9 Time Rio BJJ Champion among many other high achievements. His matches are worth
watching on the internet.
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What is amazing about this picture is just how many Black Belts are training in the same class.
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What is amazing about this picture is just how many Black Belts are training in the same class. they give out like toffees
fixed
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Me in Brasil
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Dear Las Vegas,
I wanted to thank you once again for your time and patience in attempting to teach me
how to post pictures here on this thread.
I have an appointment with my Computer Guy Friday at 8:00 am to teach me how to post
pictures which don't fit, from my phone, etc.
Again, thanks to you and everyone else.
Initially, I thought I should send some photos of different things just to ensure that you guys
finally believe that this is me and not a "gimmick."
I will be happy to post photos of Craig, Dorian and all the others I have once I learn a bit more
as to how this all works.
Harley
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You can add more than one image to a post.
If you look to the right of the little "attachments" button, you'll see a link that says "more attachments" and it allows you to add up to 4 images at a time.
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I am building a 1963 Corvette Pro Street
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=642765;image)
That is crazy nice, man.
Did your father always want a Bentley?
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Dear TuHolmes,
Thank you. I was unaware you could post more than 1 picture at a time.
I wasn't trying to add pages which I have inferred is some sort of bragging point in that
having more pages is equal to having a better thread. I could be wrong, it was just my own
inference.
Still learning the argot and ways of GetBiggers.
Harley
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That is crazy nice, man.
The Vette or the Bentley?
Did your father always want a Bentley?
My Dad, whose story I told on this thread or the one about my client killing his lover with a 25 pound dumbbell, came to this country at age
13 not even knowing the language and grew up very poor.
He worked all his life for his family and never felt the need to acquire material things for himself. But, as a kid, he would sometimes say that if
he ever won the lottery, he would buy himself a Bentley.
When he turned 70 years old, I had it waiting for him at the bottom of the driveway with a "Happy Birthday Pop" banner in the window.
It was probably the best day of MY life seeing him cry tears of joy not in receiving the car itself, but finally having to feel comfortable that his son
was ok and wouldn't starve or be poor like he was.
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Dear TuHolmes,
Thank you. I was unaware you could post more than 1 picture at a time.
I wasn't trying to add pages which I have inferred is some sort of bragging point in that
having more pages is equal to having a better thread. I could be wrong, it was just my own
inference.
Still learning the argot and ways of GetBiggers.
Harley
No problem.
Just trying to help.
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Dear Las Vegas,
I wanted to thank you once again for your time and patience in attempting to teach me
how to post pictures here on this thread.
I have an appointment with my Computer Guy Friday at 8:00 am to teach me how to post
pictures which don't fit, from my phone, etc.
Again, thanks to you and everyone else.
Initially, I thought I should send some photos of different things just to ensure that you guys
finally believe that this is me and not a "gimmick."
I will be happy to post photos of Craig, Dorian and all the others I have once I learn a bit more
as to how this all works.
Harley
Harley, look back in the thread and you'll see I put up directions for both of those (file too large problem and email folder problem).
Any time you want to get walked through either problem, though, just say so. It's only a couple steps, like what you did today.
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My Dad, whose story I told on this thread or the one about my client killing his lover with a 25 pound dumbbell, came to this country at age
13 not even knowing the language and grew up very poor.
He worked all his life for his family and never felt the need to acquire material things for himself. But, as a kid, he would sometimes say that if
he ever won the lottery, he would buy himself a Bentley.
When he turned 70 years old, I had it waiting for him at the bottom of the driveway with a "Happy Birthday Pop" banner in the window.
It was probably the best day of MY life seeing him cry tears of joy not in receiving the car itself, but finally having to feel comfortable that his son
was ok and wouldn't starve or be poor like he was.
That is really something to hear, Harley. That is such a great story and what a memory it must be.
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Hey Guys,
I thought I should try to educate myself a bit with some of the more common GetBig topics so I watched a bit of a video
with some guy named Rich Piana and another fellow named Viking whose face is quite filled with tattoos.
Are these guys heroes on GetBig?
I don't like to judge anybody but they are a little hard to watch, even for me.
His girlfriend and wonderful implants but for me, the idea of having to wear eye liner to hit that, just makes me
want to walk away.
Again, I am not being judgmental, I just didn't know if you guys support Rich Piana the way you do some other folks.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I thought I should try to educate myself a bit with some of the more common GetBig topics so I watched a bit of a video
with some guy named Rich Piana and another fellow named Viking whose face is quite filled with tattoos.
Are these guys heroes on GetBig?
I don't like to judge anybody but they are a little hard to watch, even for me.
His girlfriend and wonderful implants but for me, the idea of having to wear eye liner to hit that, just makes me
want to walk away.
Again, I am not being judgmental, I just didn't know if you guys support Rich Piana the way you do some other folks.
Harley
His act is a big running joke on here, Harley.
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Then I can candidly say, Wow, what a relief.
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He's probably OK IRL, but he's so extreme with everything that people like to post his videos and discuss them (usually about the things he's doing with the filler material and other crazy shit).
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You're get big approved harley, you're a good dude
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You're get big approved harley, you're a good dude
Lol, getbig approval, now theres an achievement. ::)
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Lol, getbig approval, now theres an achievement. ::)
Well everyone on here hates you and you still post here so that shows how lonely you are
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A Hard Day Training
you look like a slimmer version of that double rainbow guy in that pic
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Harley have you ever tought of moving to north korea? We could need a skilled lawyer like you cause those bastards in the south are lying that we have appologized dor accidently putting two mines btw best and south korea so two soliders from the south step on them and got killed (lål)
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My surprise birthday gift to my Dad
Your dad is Rich Piana?
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Well everyone on here hates you and you still post here so that shows how lonely you are
Hates me?
If people cared that much about a poster on the internet that says more about them than it does about me.
I never give log ons here a second thought, most of them dont even exist as real people FFS.
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Me in Brasil
Holy shit! Great shape there. What year was that?
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If you only knew, my friend. BJJ is one of the few Martial Arts where your rank is based solely on performance. How you handle yourself on
the mat with a variety of opponents. No matter how knowledgeable you are or how well you can do a move and technique, in the end none of that matters unless you can apply it during "free training" sessions. None of this "Kata" or being there long enough that they just give it to you so you don't quit and stop paying dues. And even if you beat others on the mat that still doesn't guarantee promotion. There was a guy who was a Blue Belt who could crush a lot of the higher belts but still wasn't promoted. Rickson recognized that his much greater size and strength advantage is what made him victorious and not his skill and knowledge in Jiu-Jitsu and therefore he did not merit a promotion.
I remember Rickson once telling me that it's the strong guys that are the hardest to teach and the slowest to learn because they depend so much on strength.
Back in the day, I was training in Jiu-Jitsu six days a week. Classes, private lessons, and meeting with friends on Sunday for "garage training." It took me 5 years to go from Blue Belt to Purple Belt.
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Hey Guys,
I thought I should try to educate myself a bit with some of the more common GetBig topics so I watched a bit of a video
with some guy named Rich Piana and another fellow named Viking whose face is quite filled with tattoos.
Are these guys heroes on GetBig?
I don't like to judge anybody but they are a little hard to watch, even for me.
His girlfriend and wonderful implants but for me, the idea of having to wear eye liner to hit that, just makes me
want to walk away.
Again, I am not being judgmental, I just didn't know if you guys support Rich Piana the way you do some other folks.
Harley
One thing about GetBig that I like is that we sniff out the poseurs, liars and phonies and see right through guys like Piana, Dana Lynn Bailey and the rest. Piana and DLB may be nice people irl but one is just a mass of synthol and PMMA and the other is just an unrepentant liar about her natural status.
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Hey Guys,
I thought I should try to educate myself a bit with some of the more common GetBig topics so I watched a bit of a video
with some guy named Rich Piana and another fellow named Viking whose face is quite filled with tattoos.
Are these guys heroes on GetBig?
I don't like to judge anybody but they are a little hard to watch, even for me.
His girlfriend and wonderful implants but for me, the idea of having to wear eye liner to hit that, just makes me
want to walk away.
Again, I am not being judgmental, I just didn't know if you guys support Rich Piana the way you do some other folks.
Harley
errr...you are.
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One thing about GetBig that I like is that we sniff out the poseurs, liars and phonies and see right through guys like Piana, Dana Lynn Bailey and the rest. Piana and DLB may be nice people irl but one is just a mass of synthol and PMMA and the other is just an unrepentant liar about her natural status.
And the gh15's ;)
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hey harley i do believe rickson was offered more than a million to fight sakuraba- at that time pride was huge in japan and sakuraba
ive read he was offered 5 million to fight sakuraba- that would have been the biggest fight of all time pretty sure would have sold
90k tickets and been a huge ratings draw on tv.
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Harley is like the ultimate Getbigger, has every base covered.Would make a great story for an eighties-esque tv show, something like Magnum.
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If you only knew, my friend. BJJ is one of the few Martial Arts where your rank is based solely on performance. How you handle yourself on
the mat with a variety of opponents. No matter how knowledgeable you are or how well you can do a move and technique, in the end none of that matters unless you can apply it during "free training" sessions. None of this "Kata" or being there long enough that they just give it to you so you don't quit and stop paying dues. And even if you beat others on the mat that still doesn't guarantee promotion. There was a guy who was a Blue Belt who could crush a lot of the higher belts but still wasn't promoted. Rickson recognized that his much greater size and strength advantage is what made him victorious and not his skill and knowledge in Jiu-Jitsu and therefore he did not merit a promotion.
I remember Rickson once telling me that it's the strong guys that are the hardest to teach and the slowest to learn because they depend so much on strength.
Back in the day, I was training in Jiu-Jitsu six days a week. Classes, private lessons, and meeting with friends on Sunday for "garage training." It took me 5 years to go from Blue Belt to Purple Belt.
Dear Pellius,
I guess Be There believes there is some way to "fix" how many black belts appear in a class to train. I just noted the amount as here in America it is difficult to accumulate so many
high level BJJ Black Belts but that is not the fault of Americans. There are far too many reasons for this, most of which would bore too many others.
I don't think he meant to imply that my promotion was "fixed."
You, however, have quite the distinction as real, true life Rickson student (in some way, aren't we all Rickson's students?) who received one of the most legitimate promotions I
could only dream of. You have much of which to be proud.
I wasn't terribly smitten by Rickson when we met so it is a bit easier for me to accept the criticisms launched against him in terms of not fighting Sakuraba. However, Pride was notorious
for faking the amounts paid to fighters. Actually, they very often paid cash, seriously. While in Brasil, I also trained with Murilo Bustamante at Brazilian Top Team and he can tell you
quite the stories of Pride.
Harley
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And yes, before I get hit with the audits from others, I have pictures of me actually training with Murilo, privately, at
BTT in Rio. Once I figure this whole downsizing thing, I will post better pictures.
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And yes, before I get hit with the audits from others, I have pictures of me actually training with Murilo, privately, at
BTT in Rio. Once I figure this whole downsizing thing, I will post better pictures.
I think you've proven enough to satisfy people that you aren't a bullshitter.
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The Vette or the Bentley?
Both. (didn't see this before, Harley. It was in another quote.)
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And the gh15's ;)
Touche. I'll never live that down.
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Harley, you are a great addition to Getbig.
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Harley, you are a great addition to Getbig.
absolutely! this board desperately needed something worth reading other than the usual b.s on here lately
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Harley, you are doing great things by posting quality material here. But beware....soon you will be running 100 gimmicks and arguing over the Adonis principles.
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Harley is like the ultimate Getbigger, has every base covered.Would make a great story for an eighties-esque tv show, something like Magnum.
I could definitely see him starring in a show like Miami Vice
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Bow tie warrior of peace
(http://www.northjersey.com/polopoly_fs/1.1050368.1405184148!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_650/071314-breite-dngcm-jpg.jpg)
Some sound advice: Get a traditional short haircut, throw some gel in it, and buy yourself some power ties. You'll thank me later.
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Dear Pellius,
I guess Be There believes there is some way to "fix" how many black belts appear in a class to train. I just noted the amount as here in America it is difficult to accumulate so many
high level BJJ Black Belts but that is not the fault of Americans. There are far too many reasons for this, most of which would bore too many others.
I don't think he meant to imply that my promotion was "fixed."
You, however, have quite the distinction as real, true life Rickson student (in some way, aren't we all Rickson's students?) who received one of the most legitimate promotions I
could only dream of. You have much of which to be proud.
I wasn't terribly smitten by Rickson when we met so it is a bit easier for me to accept the criticisms launched against him in terms of not fighting Sakuraba. However, Pride was notorious
for faking the amounts paid to fighters. Actually, they very often paid cash, seriously. While in Brasil, I also trained with Murilo Bustamante at Brazilian Top Team and he can tell you
quite the stories of Pride.
Harley
I wasnt sure if you had been trolling earlier.
Now Im positive.
nice work.
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I wasnt sure if you had been trolling earlier.
Now Im positive.
nice work.
Dear Be There,
I apologize but I don't even understand what that means.
You and I certainly don't have to agree on martial arts (by the way, what style was it that you said and showed pictures in which you train?)
OR how bad a fighter I am (I missed your pictures of you yourself getting on a mat in a foreign country or inside a cage)
OR how I should dress for my job (I didn't catch what you did for a living but I'm sure your Mom approves of your Baywatch T-Shirt every
she comes down to the basement to refresh your bowl of Cheese Doodles)
Actually, I am just kidding and having fun with you. I laugh at my clothes and my hair all the time. If you can't laugh at yourself,
life can be quite unbearable.
Harley
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Dear Be There,
I apologize but I don't even understand what that means.
You and I certainly don't have to agree on martial arts (by the way, what style was it that you said and showed pictures in which you train?)
OR how bad a fighter I am (I missed your pictures of you yourself getting on a mat in a foreign country or inside a cage)
OR how I should dress for my job (I didn't catch what you did for a living but I'm sure your Mom approves of your Baywatch T-Shirt every
she comes down to the basement to refresh your bowl of Cheese Doodles)
Actually, I am just kidding and having fun with you. I laugh at my clothes and my hair all the time. If you can't laugh at yourself,
life can be quite unbearable.
Harley
Delete the last paragraph.
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Dear Be There,
I apologize but I don't even understand what that means.
You and I certainly don't have to agree on martial arts (by the way, what style was it that you said and showed pictures in which you train?)
OR how bad a fighter I am (I missed your pictures of you yourself getting on a mat in a foreign country or inside a cage)
OR how I should dress for my job (I didn't catch what you did for a living but I'm sure your Mom approves of your Baywatch T-Shirt every
she comes down to the basement to refresh your bowl of Cheese Doodles)
Actually, I am just kidding and having fun with you. I laugh at my clothes and my hair all the time. If you can't laugh at yourself,
life can be quite unbearable.
Harley
I have no interest in martial arts, I have no interest in your ability in martial arts, I have no interest in your hair or your job.
You post like a gimmick account, if its really you and its genuine then , just wow.
HTH.
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Dear Be There,
I apologize but I don't even understand what that means.
You and I certainly don't have to agree on martial arts (by the way, what style was it that you said and showed pictures in which you train?)
OR how bad a fighter I am (I missed your pictures of you yourself getting on a mat in a foreign country or inside a cage)
OR how I should dress for my job (I didn't catch what you did for a living but I'm sure your Mom approves of your Baywatch T-Shirt every
she comes down to the basement to refresh your bowl of Cheese Doodles)
Actually, I am just kidding and having fun with you. I laugh at my clothes and my hair all the time. If you can't laugh at yourself,
life can be quite unbearable.
Harley
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Harley, may I ask how you came across that 'vette? What condition was it in, and was body as straight as it looks now?
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My surprise birthday gift to my Dad
very nice ride Harley
your dad is a lucky man to have a son like you!
good job!
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re BJJ
have you ever trained with Eddie Bravo and what are your thoughts on his "rubber guard" technique?
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re BJJ
have you ever trained with Eddie Bravo and what are your thoughts on his "rubber guard" technique?
LOL! I remember Eddie back in the Rickson days during the early 1990s and then we both moved over to train with the Machado brother's when Rickson pretty much stopped teaching as he was travelling so much. Back then Eddie worked in a strip club and always struck me as a bit sleazy. But he was very serious about Jiu-Jitsu training and was super flexible and innovative. Always trying new things. Back then I would crush him because I was about 35 lbs heavier and he was just so goddamn physically weak. There was a girl a the Machado's that was stronger than he was.
He use to compete all the time. Every tournament he was there. Literally built a career out of beating Royler at the Abu Dhabi. Never competed after that. Just built a successful business and living the dream.
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Dear Be There,
I apologize but I don't even understand what that means.
You and I certainly don't have to agree on martial arts (by the way, what style was it that you said and showed pictures in which you train?)
OR how bad a fighter I am (I missed your pictures of you yourself getting on a mat in a foreign country or inside a cage)
OR how I should dress for my job (I didn't catch what you did for a living but I'm sure your Mom approves of your Baywatch T-Shirt every
she comes down to the basement to refresh your bowl of Cheese Doodles)
Actually, I am just kidding and having fun with you. I laugh at my clothes and my hair all the time. If you can't laugh at yourself,
life can be quite unbearable.
Harley
LOL! HB trying his hand at owning. Not bad but chaos is right. You can't show mercy on this board. If you get a kill shot take it and move on no regrets. It's a jungle here and Being There is one of the top predators. He just recently broke the will of one of the top tier owners on this board. Never would have predicted Sev to meltdown and leave this board after over a decade.
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Harely what is your middle name? Please say Michael or Matthew or Mark.
That would make your initials: HMB
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Harely what is your middle name? Please say Michael or Matthew or Mark.
That would make your initials: HMB
Understanding that I am disappointing you again, my middle name is Daniel.
My first name comes from a famous street in London where very successful doctors and lawyers live or practice.
My parents wanted me to be a doctor or a lawyer.
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LOL! HB trying his hand at owning. Not bad but chaos is right. You can't show mercy on this board. If you get a kill shot take it and move on no regrets. It's a jungle here and Being There is one of the top predators. He just recently broke the will of one of the top tier owners on this board. Never would have predicted Sev to meltdown and leave this board after over a decade.
Dear Pellius,
Thank you for informing me of Being There's prowess and how to better "own" someone.
I'm just not that good at cruelty, unless I am paying her a rate of $350 per hour.
Harley
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Harley, may I ask how you came across that 'vette? What condition was it in, and was body as straight as it looks now?
Dear Las Vegas,
My builder, Jason Pratt, of J&E Pro Streets came across a perfectly straight, original Vette in Ohio and told me if I were ever
going to build my dream 63 Pro Street, this was it.
The car was expensive and then it was converted to Pro Street and EVERYTHING else is brand new and updated.
One of the reasons few ever convert a 60's Vette into Pro Street is the absurd cost.
The car came straight and never in an accident. It should be done with paint by next week.
Harley
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re BJJ
have you ever trained with Eddie Bravo and what are your thoughts on his "rubber guard" technique?
Dear Old School Lifter,
Initially, because I was Royler's lawyer who negotiated the contract for his match in Metamoris against Eddie Bravo, people thought I didn't like
Eddie. I never met Eddie during the 1.5 years of negotiating. It was all about business. I did however have words with Ralek Gracie and told him to
tell Eddie's Instructor, Machado to go fuck himself. The issue of "Pants-Gate" had heated up and I wasn't going to let anyone insult my client.
After the match, I met Eddie and he could not have been more of a gentleman and nice guy. He took some very funny photos of him pulling on my
pants in reference to the whole controversy.
I will say this, without revealing some behind the scenes Royler information of pre-fight, I can tell you that Eddie Bravo is an extremely gifted BJJ
competitor. He is tough, well trained and extremely educated in the world of BJJ. My admiration for him reached its height when we met and he was
so nice and humble and friendly and even complemented my loyalty to Royler and my legal skills. But, having watched him compete just before we met,
I already thought of him as a world class BJJ guy.
People can say he made a living over tapping out Royler and if he did, well, that's just great business and marketing. But don't be mislead, he is a shark
on the mat.
His "rubber guard" is way beyond what my flexibility can muster. He is quite proficient using it but I am not sure it is good for everyone and I am not sure
it would work so well against the very best in the world. However, he uses it as well as anyone I've ever seen. I enjoyed watching him on the Joe Rogan
video where Rickson Gracie shows up. He was very respectful towards Rickson and Rickson, to my surprise, was overly deferential and obviously impressed
by Eddie's techniques as he actually showed them on Rickson. Of course, I was 2 feet away when Royce was running around "trying to" find Eddie and fight him
for the all-important offense of "disrespecting the family." Grow up.
Harley
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I'd like to spend some time in Harleys "guard".
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I'd like to spend some time in Harleys "guard".
Wouldn't we all :P
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Perhaps it's time for someone to post a picture of a woman I think is hot before this goes into an area
that doesn't have anything to do with me.
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Harley where are you training at these days?
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Initially, because I was Royler's lawyer who negotiated the contract for his match in Metamoris against Eddie Bravo, people thought I didn't like
Eddie. I never met Eddie during the 1.5 years of negotiating. It was all about business. I did however have words with Ralek Gracie and told him to
tell Eddie's Instructor, Machado to go fuck himself. The issue of "Pants-Gate" had heated up and I wasn't going to let anyone insult my client.
After the match, I met Eddie and he could not have been more of a gentleman and nice guy. He took some very funny photos of him pulling on my
pants in reference to the whole controversy.
I will say this, without revealing some behind the scenes Royler information of pre-fight, I can tell you that Eddie Bravo is an extremely gifted BJJ
competitor. He is tough, well trained and extremely educated in the world of BJJ. My admiration for him reached its height when we met and he was
so nice and humble and friendly and even complemented my loyalty to Royler and my legal skills. But, having watched him compete just before we met,
I already thought of him as a world class BJJ guy.
People can say he made a living over tapping out Royler and if he did, well, that's just great business and marketing. But don't be mislead, he is a shark
on the mat.
His "rubber guard" is way beyond what my flexibility can muster. He is quite proficient using it but I am not sure it is good for everyone and I am not sure
it would work so well against the very best in the world. However, he uses it as well as anyone I've ever seen. I enjoyed watching him on the Joe Rogan
video where Rickson Gracie shows up. He was very respectful towards Rickson and Rickson, to my surprise, was overly deferential and obviously impressed
by Eddie's techniques as he actually showed them on Rickson. Of course, I was 2 feet away when Royce was running around "trying to" find Eddie and fight him
for the all-important offense of "disrespecting the family." Grow up.
Harley
By "built a career" defeating Royler in Abu Dhabi I should have said that it put him on the map. He was still a Brown Belt and relatively unknown at the time. His stock really went up that year.
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Dear Big Ant,
Craig and I train at Get Fit in Fairfield, NJ and at Diamond Gym in Maplewood, NJ.
I train BJJ at Gracie New Jersey with David Adiv in Clinton, NJ
I also train BJJ and MMA with Sean Santella at Miller Brothers in Sparta, NJ
And then I train in Brasil when I have the chance to go there.
Harley
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Why did you tell Ralek to tell Jean-Jacques to go fuck himself?
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By "built a career" defeating Royler in Abu Dhabi I should have said that it put him on the map. He was still a Brown Belt and relatively unknown at the time. His stock really went up that year.
Dear Pellius,
While I liked Eddie when we met, I would be one of those that after he beat Royler and got on a plane and didn't finish the tournament, he did,
in fact, BUILD A CAREER on that one match alone. I think he created a website for himself called "I tapped Royler.com"
Royler got caught, plain and simple. Who hasn't been caught (other than Rickson?) Who hasn't lost a BJJ match (other than Rickson?).
Eddie caught a great deal of criticism from the Gracie Family by making that one win into a business but hey, that's life and who are the Gracie
Family or anyone else to tell someone how to make a living. They don't have to agree or like it, but here in America, we have a right to pursue a
way to make our own living.
The are other aspects of Eddie's lifestyle (the pot smoking) which he doesn't deny that some find questionable.
Me, I say live and let live as long as it doesn't interfere with my quiet enjoyment.
Harley
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Why did you tell Ralek to tell Jean-Jacques to go fuck himself?
Dear Pellius,
It had to do with the controversy Eddie's people started with regard to whether or not he was going to wear gi pants. He kept
changing his mind after the contract was signed and after each time Royler agreed to Eddie's change of heart. Well, 3 weeks into
Royler's training camp, that was enough. He had to know if Eddie was wearing pants which he could grab or he wasn't.
Ralek told me that Jean-Jacques said Royler was afraid, making excuses and shouldn't worry about it. That was untrue and insane.
Then Jean-Jacques said he was going to cancel the fight, sue Royler and tell the world it was Royler's fault.
At that point I had had enough. I told Ralek to tell the guy to go fuck himself and if I found 1 untrue word about Royler published
in any manner in any forum by Jean-Jacques or his people, I would bring a lawsuit and wouldn't let go until after a jury found them all
liable for defamation. I told him to tell the guy that I would bury him in a courtroom and would bankrupt him in terms of legal fees.
About 20 minutes later, after Ralek spoke to him, the fight was on and so were Eddie's pants.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
While I liked Eddie when we met, I would be one of those that after he beat Royler and got on a plane and didn't finish the tournament, he did,
in fact, BUILD A CAREER on that one match alone. I think he created a website for himself called "I tapped Royler.com"
Royler got caught, plain and simple. Who hasn't been caught (other than Rickson?) Who hasn't lost a BJJ match (other than Rickson?).
Eddie caught a great deal of criticism from the Gracie Family by making that one win into a business but hey, that's life and who are the Gracie
Family or anyone else to tell someone how to make a living. They don't have to agree or like it, but here in America, we have a right to pursue a
way to make our own living.
The are other aspects of Eddie's lifestyle (the pot smoking) which he doesn't deny that some find questionable.
Me, I say live and let live as long as it doesn't interfere with my quiet enjoyment.
Harley
I didn't know about the website. Jeeze. Talk about twisting the knife and salting the wound. But as I remember it, after his match with Royler, Eddie got destroyed by Leo Viera and that was it for him as far as the tournament.
I believe the majority of the BJJ fans, including myself, thought beating Royler was a fluke. Anybody can get caught just like anybody can get caught with a punch or a kick and it's lights out. Remember GSP's lost to Serra? A total fluke as GSP dominated him in the rematch.
I just never understood why they didn't have a rematch sooner. I didn't know what was going on behind the scenes at that time because I had lost touch with Royler and Eddie started training with Jean-Jacques when he broke off and started his own school. I stayed with Rigan but I would have prefer to train with JJ. But Rigan's school was in Redondo Beach and was about a mile from where I lived. JJ moved to the Valley and it just wasn't practical.
If I was Royler I would have wanted a rematch asap. If I was Eddie, I'd delay it as long as I could. But I remember at the time reading on the internet (intheguard.com) that Eddie did want rematch as well. Maybe just not now. I really don't know why it took so long to happen. Over ten years!
Eddie did kind of milk it at the time and it must have infuriated Royler.
As easy going and charming Royler is, when it came to Jiu-Jitsu he was a different person. You don't get to where he got without being a fierce competitor.
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Dear Pellius,
It had to do with the controversy Eddie's people started with regard to whether or not he was going to wear gi pants. He kept
changing his mind after the contract was signed and after each time Royler agreed to Eddie's change of heart. Well, 3 weeks into
Royler's training camp, that was enough. He had to know if Eddie was wearing pants which he could grab or he wasn't.
Ralek told me that Jean-Jacques said Royler was afraid, making excuses and shouldn't worry about it. That was untrue and insane.
Then Jean-Jacques said he was going to cancel the fight, sue Royler and tell the world it was Royler's fault.
At that point I had had enough. I told Ralek to tell the guy to go fuck himself and if I found 1 untrue word about Royler published
in any manner in any forum by Jean-Jacques or his people, I would bring a lawsuit and wouldn't let go until after a jury found them all
liable for defamation. I told him to tell the guy that I would bury him in a courtroom and would bankrupt him in terms of legal fees.
About 20 minutes later, after Ralek spoke to him, the fight was on and so were Eddie's pants.
Harley
You sound just like joon.(but hes trolling)
A bit of advice.
Getbig is a place where people with a semblence of an interesting life can ride the waves of the hopeless basement dwellers desperatly wanting to live their lives through others because they themselves dont have one.
But beware, they are a fickle bunch, and whilst now you are getting posts of admiration and envy , the envy soon turns to hatred.
See joon.
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My years with the Machado's I grew to really admire Jean-Jacques. Of all the Machado's he was the most disciplined and mentally and physically the toughest of them all. Also, I love his style of Jiu-Jitsu. Very smooth and technical. Always in motion and ALWAYS going for the submission. Even if it meant he might lose on points he wasn't going to hold you and run out the clock. He was always going to try to submit you. And can you imagine what it must be like to be in a grappling sport without any fingers?
But that sounds like Jean-Jacques. Another one that when it comes to Jiu-Jitsu and his "flag" as Rickson likes to refer to all the factions within the family, he's going to defend it to the the death. Even if it means going against his own cousin.
JJ was generally a serious no nonsense person but he also had his light joking side. The way he made fun of Royce and that what a fool Rorion was to put Royce in a special match with Wallid Ismail for all of Brasil to see. He knew the real story behind Royce.
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Dear Be There,
I very much appreciate your advice. You seem to be a long time and well respected GetBigger.
I often say that in my professional life, "I am not in the Appreciation Game."
I didn't come to GetBig to be appreciated, but rather, to see if there was any interest in talking
bodybuilding, diet, training, supplements, cardio and even other stuff I think is kool (cars, MMA, etc.).
Of course, it's always nice to be well received but no one can please everyone so I understand that
my recent bout of interest to a small few will probably precipitously wane in the very near future.
But, if there is conversation to be had about what really goes on in Bodybuilding and there is real information
that can benefit my training, diet and cardio, then it's worth being on GetBig.
Would also be nice if some of the guys introduced themselves at the shows. Say what you will about The Mayor
of Bodybuilding, but Craig and I met him along with his friends well over 10 years ago at a NY show and he couldn't
have been a nicer guy. I promised to mail him some Craig Richardson t-shirts he had requested and when they arrived
he seemed genuinely shocked but also pleased. He's just a big fan who as far as I know, never hurt or even insulted anyone.
I like guys who are really fans of the sport as they are the ones most eager to trade information and not hoard it for
themselves like many of the pro bodybuilders, specifically Dexter Jackson, but don't get me started on him.
Harley
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Dear Be There,
I very much appreciate your advice. You seem to be a long time and well respected GetBigger. I often say that in my professional life, "I am not in the Appreciation Game."
I didn't come to GetBig to be appreciated, but rather, to see if there was any interest in talking
bodybuilding, diet, training, supplements, cardio and even other stuff I think is kool (cars, MMA, etc.).
Of course, it's always nice to be well received but no one can please everyone so I understand that
my recent bout of interest to a small few will probably precipitously wane in the very near future.
But, if there is conversation to be had about what really goes on in Bodybuilding and there is real information
that can benefit my training, diet and cardio, then it's worth being on GetBig.
Would also be nice if some of the guys introduced themselves at the shows. Say what you will about The Mayor
of Bodybuilding, but Craig and I met him along with his friends well over 10 years ago at a NY show and he couldn't
have been a nicer guy. I promised to mail him some Craig Richardson t-shirts he had requested and when they arrived
he seemed genuinely shocked but also pleased. He's just a big fan who as far as I know, never hurt or even insulted anyone.
I like guys who are really fans of the sport as they are the ones most eager to trade information and not hoard it for
themselves like many of the pro bodybuilders, specifically Dexter Jackson, but don't get me started on him.
Harley
No, no Im not.
And as for Dexter, Im sure your little name drop will get one of these lickspittles foaming at the mouth for info.
Nice touch.
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My years with the Machado's I grew to really admire Jean-Jacques. Of all the Machado's he was the most disciplined and mentally and physically the toughest of them all. Also, I love his style of Jiu-Jitsu. Very smooth and technical. Always in motion and ALWAYS going for the submission. Even if it meant he might lose on points he wasn't going to hold you and run out the clock. He was always going to try to submit you. And can you imagine what it must be like to be in a grappling sport without any fingers?
But that sounds like Jean-Jacques. Another one that when it comes to Jiu-Jitsu and his "flag" as Rickson likes to refer to all the factions within the family, he's going to defend it to the the death. Even if it means going against his own cousin.
JJ was generally a serious no nonsense person but he also had his light joking side. The way he made fun of Royce and that what a fool Rorion was to put Royce in a special match with Wallid Ismail for all of Brasil to see. He knew the real story behind Royce.
I would love to know "the real story behind Royce"
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No, no Im not.
And as for Dexter, Im sure your little name drop will get one of these lickspittles foaming at the mouth for info.
Nice touch.
Dear Be There,
It's good to see you are still following this thread.
I'm glad we could be friends.
Harley
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No, no Im not.
And as for Dexter, Im sure your little name drop will get one of these lickspittles foaming at the mouth for info.
Nice touch.
Dexter? Please get started. I'm foaming at the mouth.
Sorry Be There.
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Dear Pellius,
It's almost 2:30 am here and I have to go to court tomorrow morning but I promise
to relay the Dexter stuff. I have a few issues with him.
Harley
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Perhaps it's time for someone to post a picture of a woman I think is hot before this goes into an area
that doesn't have anything to do with me.
Hoping to wake up tomorrow with some motivating photos so as to set down my hot cup of coffee and continue
speaking with you guys.
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Dear Pellius,
It's almost 2:30 am here and I have to go to court tomorrow morning but I promise
to relay the Dexter stuff. I have a few issues with him.
Harley
I have no interest in rumours about Dexter.
I would rather you didnt talk about someone who isnt here to defend himself.
I bet Dexter stays awake at night over the "issues" you two have. ::)
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Dear Be There,
It's good to see you are still following this thread.
I'm glad we could be friends.
Harley
I follow threads, its what happens on a forum, its never personal regardless of the way things go.
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Dear Pellius,
It's almost 2:30 am here and I have to go to court tomorrow morning but I promise
to relay the Dexter stuff. I have a few issues with him.
Harley
Understand.
I'm back in Hawaii now and always the last one up. Only UK guys keep me up past my bed time.
I'm not a fan of Dexter as a person either but think he is one of the greatest bbers ever. Can't believe he's still around and has even improved judging by the Arnold.
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I have no interest in rumours about Dexter.
I would rather you didnt talk about someone who isnt here to defend himself.
I bet Dexter stays awake at night over the "issues" you two have. ::)
Would love to have Dex here. Along with DLB and Piana and Bostin.
But it's all gossip and opinions. And though Dex may not care about me or HB specifically if I was a celeb I'd be interested in knowing how I am coming across to the fans.
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Would love to have Dex here. Along with DLB and Piana and Bostin.
But it's all gossip and opinions. And though Dex may not care about me or HB specifically if I was a celeb I'd be interested in knowing how I am coming across to the fans.
Thing is there are no bodybuilding fans on this board.
So why would they care what a few morons on here think?
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What pen do you carry? What pen sits at your desk?
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I made it out to train last night
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Should definitely rock the bow tie with gi.
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Should definitely rock the bow tie with gi.
;D
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Harley should not only wear his bowtie with his gi, but also tie his belt as a big bowtie!
Harley Breite = King of Kings!
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Harley has anyone ever told you that you look like John Romero? The dude that created the PC games Doom/Quake/etc.
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Dear Neither Animal,
I didn't know who this was until you posted the photo.
It's been said I look similar to a lot worse than that so I take it as a compliment.
I don't know anything about PC games but I assume this is probably a really wealthy
guy to whom every one of his high school teachers said he should stay in shop class and that
he would never amount to anything.
I commend him.
Harley
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This client of mine was charged with driving cross country, entering a church during Sunday morning's sermon
and killing his wife, a good Samaritan trying to save people and then paralyzing his wife's aunt.
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This client was charged with cutting the throat, from one side to the next of his hooker girlfriend just 5 months
after being released from a 6 year prison sentence for Aggravated Assault. While in prison he slashed the face of
an inmate so badly that he spent 1 year in solitary confinement.
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This client was charged with cutting the throat, from one side to the next of his hooker girlfriend just 5 months
after being released from a 6 year prison sentence for Aggravated Assault. While in prison he slashed the face of
an inmate so badly that he spent 1 year in solitary confinement.
Will he ever change his ways or did prison change him forever?
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Craig and I in Vegas
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Craig at the 1997 USA
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Craig took 2nd place in the Lt. Heavy Class in a tie-breaker with Jason Arntz
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Craig weighed 188 lbs here
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Craig weighed 188 lbs here
Harley, does Craig take the sport(?) serious? he seems to have amongst the best potential out there. is his health too much of a concern for him to ramp it up to todays levels?
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What color and type of paint etc do you plan for Vette Harley?
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Harley, does Craig take the sport(?) serious? he seems to have amongst the best potential out there. is his health too much of a concern for him to ramp it up to todays levels?
Dear Hazbin,
Craig doesn't take the "sport" seriously, however, he takes the training and dieting seriously. He is never going to blow you away
with his size so he does his best to accentuate the best part of his physique which is more along the lines of aesthetics than mass.
Craig competes in the 212 Division but usually sees his weight crash low the day before a show. You might see him compete at 209, but
no more than 212. In the off season he can get as heavy as 232 pounds which is not bad for a guy 5 foot 7 inches tall.
Craig has been married about 20 years, has 3 children and a grand-daughter. He has a full time job. He is a "sponsored" athlete of MHP.
Craig's priorities are not exactly those of the very top bodybuilders in the world nor should they be. He can't get big enough to compete with
them so there is no reason for him to literally kill himself early in such a vain attempt.
While you guys might think that the steroids are the most dangerous part of pro bodybuilding, I would be to differ.
The insulin, DNP, Clenbuterol and diuretics are what, in my opinion, lead to the most devastation and actual death of these guys. I wouldn't
stand by and let Craig kill himself like that. Those guys can keep the trophy. I'll take my friend in old age.
Harley
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What color and type of paint etc do you plan for Vette Harley?
Dear Las Vegas,
The color is Reflex Silver (I think it comes from Volkswagen. It's a base coat with clear coat as well.
It was sanded down literally 15 times. I am putting a 1967 Big Block Stinger Hood with black trim on the front.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I am scooping all news sources in telling you that on December 10th, in Las Vegas,
the headline fight will be Jim Miller vs. Michael Chiesa.
Harley
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The Vette is a Pro Street so it should look pretty kool. It was horrible trying to decide on rims. I'm not even sure
I like the ones I bought. Once the car is done and we mount the tires, I will make a final decision.
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Dear Hazbin,
Craig doesn't take the "sport" seriously, however, he takes the training and dieting seriously. He is never going to blow you away
with his size so he does his best to accentuate the best part of his physique which is more along the lines of aesthetics than mass.
Craig competes in the 212 Division but usually sees his weight crash low the day before a show. You might see him compete at 209, but
no more than 212. In the off season he can get as heavy as 232 pounds which is not bad for a guy 5 foot 7 inches tall.
Craig has been married about 20 years, has 3 children and a grand-daughter. He has a full time job. He is a "sponsored" athlete of MHP.
Craig's priorities are not exactly those of the very top bodybuilders in the world nor should they be. He can't get big enough to compete with
them so there is no reason for him to literally kill himself early in such a vain attempt.
While you guys might think that the steroids are the most dangerous part of pro bodybuilding, I would be to differ.
The insulin, DNP, Clenbuterol and diuretics are what, in my opinion, lead to the most devastation and actual death of these guys. I wouldn't
stand by and let Craig kill himself like that. Those guys can keep the trophy. I'll take my friend in old age.
Harley
cool, I figured he must have been too smart to take the road to bloat. (just made that up, lol, I gotta remember that!!). but looking at his physique, I would imagine without abuse (relative) he could compete at 230 and really challenge for the top spot in the entire sport. ( I already believe he is superior to heath).
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Dear Hazbin,
Believe it or not, there does come a point, no matter what the dosages, where your body just won't get any bigger.
I believe that each person has a maximum point of growth and then there is no more. Granted, each person's limit
is different and some can achieve their limit relatively easier than others and some, for a number of reasons, will never
achieve their ultimate size potential.
I don't have a good eye for judging, but I first saw Shawn Ray on the cover of Flex Magazine when I think he was 19 or 20 years old.
He was wearing a tank top and holding a book talking to a girl as if he were still (or ever) in school. The photo was mezmerising to me.
I then remember him winning the overall Nationals against Phil Hill who I had seen guest pose just 1 week before they battled it out in
Atlantic City for the Overall Title.
I never thought Shawn Ray was ever any bigger than when he won the Nationals. I'm sure I am wrong on this but he never seemed to me
to have a huge gain in size his whole pro career. I only make that observation as it relates to this issue of ultimate personal size.
Harley
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Dear Hazbin,
Believe it or not, there does come a point, no matter what the dosages, where your body just won't get any bigger.
I believe that each person has a maximum point of growth and then there is no more. Granted, each person's limit
is different and some can achieve their limit relatively easier than others and some, for a number of reasons, will never
achieve their ultimate size potential.
I don't have a good eye for judging, but I first saw Shawn Ray on the cover of Flex Magazine when I think he was 19 or 20 years old.
He was wearing a tank top and holding a book talking to a girl as if he were still (or ever) in school. The photo was mezmerising to me.
I then remember him winning the overall Nationals against Phil Hill who I had seen guest pose just 1 week before they battled it out in
Atlantic City for the Overall Title.
I never thought Shawn Ray was ever any bigger than when he won the Nationals. I'm sure I am wrong on this but he never seemed to me
to have a huge gain in size his whole pro career. I only make that observation as it relates to this issue of ultimate personal size.
Harley
Groundbreaking information indeed.
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Dear Hazbin,
Believe it or not, there does come a point, no matter what the dosages, where your body just won't get any bigger.
I believe that each person has a maximum point of growth and then there is no more. Granted, each person's limit
is different and some can achieve their limit relatively easier than others and some, for a number of reasons, will never
achieve their ultimate size potential.
I don't have a good eye for judging, but I first saw Shawn Ray on the cover of Flex Magazine when I think he was 19 or 20 years old.
He was wearing a tank top and holding a book talking to a girl as if he were still (or ever) in school. The photo was mezmerising to me.
I then remember him winning the overall Nationals against Phil Hill who I had seen guest pose just 1 week before they battled it out in
Atlantic City for the Overall Title.
I never thought Shawn Ray was ever any bigger than when he won the Nationals. I'm sure I am wrong on this but he never seemed to me
to have a huge gain in size his whole pro career. I only make that observation as it relates to this issue of ultimate personal size.
Harley
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Groundbreaking information indeed.
why be a dick to a guy who has been so awesome in answering questions on here.
geezus you need a kick in the face, but, you and your bitch are already ugly as sin so a kick in the face would probably improve
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why be a dick to a guy who has been so awesome in answering questions on here.
geezus you need a kick in the face, but, you and your bitch are already ugly as sin so a kick in the face would probably improve
A dick?
Im just pulling his leg, I thought this was getbig, not bodybuilding.com
This site has gone down the shitter of late.
Im pretty sure the getbig brethren will get bored of Harley soon and tear him a new asshole, it happened with joon.
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A dick?
Im just pulling his leg, I thought this was getbig, not bodybuilding.com
This site has gone down the shitter of late.
Im pretty sure the getbig brethren will get bored of Harley soon and tear him a new asshole, it happened with joon.
all u do i say how bad the site is and how you hate it,...yet you are still here
go entertain pancake face, she seems lonely
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why be a dick to a guy who has been so awesome in answering questions on here.
geezus you need a kick in the face, but, you and your bitch are already ugly as sin so a kick in the face would probably improve
Having trained BJJ myself, under Renzo Gracie, starting in 1996, and getting to the Purple Belt level. I saw a lot of Bodybuilders come in. They were all very polite and a lot less cocky than what you read on the Internet. Be There would be the same way after signing a release form and being in a situation where someone can legally break your arm.
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all u do i say how bad the site is and how you hate it,...yet you are still here
go entertain pancake face, she seems lonely
I might go and have sex with her later.
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I might go and have sex with her later.
at least one of us is getting laid
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Having trained BJJ myself, under Renzo Gracie, starting in 1996, and getting to the Purple Belt level. I saw a lot of Bodybuilders come in. They were all very polite and a lot less cocky than what you read on the Internet. Be There would be the same way after signing a release form and being in a situation where someone can legally break your arm.
Jeez, grow up.
Why on earth would a grown man want to roll around play fighting on the floor with another man?
I left all that behind when I was a child.
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Hey Guys,
No need for personal attacks on each other or our ladies. It's ok.
I understand you need thick skin to be here and I am ok with that for the most part.
I never said my idea was novel but sometimes the general public thinks that the higher the dosage,
the bigger the arms.
Harley
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Jeez, grow up.
Why on earth would a grown man want to roll around play fighting on the floor with another man?
I left all that behind when I was a child.
What's gayer... rolling around in the floor "play fighting" or putting on a thong, oiling up, and letting gay men stare at you?
Just wondering.
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What's gayer... rolling around in the floor "play fighting" or putting on a thong, oiling up, and letting gay men stare at you?
Just wondering.
They are the same.
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Hey Guys,
No need for personal attacks on each other or our ladies. It's ok.
I understand you need thick skin to be here and I am ok with that for the most part.
I never said my idea was novel but sometimes the general public thinks that the higher the dosage,
the bigger the arms.
Harley
The general public dont post here Harley ;D
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Jeez, grow up.
Why on earth would a grown man want to roll around play fighting on the floor with another man?
The same reason a grown man would want to don panties, get up on stage, and pose in front of creepy homosexuals.
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The same reason a grown man would want to don panties, get up on stage, and pose in front of creepy homosexuals.
I dont see that behaviour any differently.
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They are the same.
You didn't give that up as a child though...
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Jeez, grow up.
Why on earth would a grown man want to roll around play fighting on the floor with another man?
I left all that behind when I was a child.
Maybe you should take it up, toughen yourself up a little. Then you wouldn't have to leave a gym because of chilly draft. :D
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You didn't give that up as a child though...
I know, I still have a teddy as well.
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Dear Hazbin,
Believe it or not, there does come a point, no matter what the dosages, where your body just won't get any bigger.
I believe that each person has a maximum point of growth and then there is no more. Granted, each person's limit
is different and some can achieve their limit relatively easier than others and some, for a number of reasons, will never
achieve their ultimate size potential.
I don't have a good eye for judging, but I first saw Shawn Ray on the cover of Flex Magazine when I think he was 19 or 20 years old.
He was wearing a tank top and holding a book talking to a girl as if he were still (or ever) in school. The photo was mezmerising to me.
I then remember him winning the overall Nationals against Phil Hill who I had seen guest pose just 1 week before they battled it out in
Atlantic City for the Overall Title.
I never thought Shawn Ray was ever any bigger than when he won the Nationals. I'm sure I am wrong on this but he never seemed to me
to have a huge gain in size his whole pro career. I only make that observation as it relates to this issue of ultimate personal size.
Harley
I still have that issue!!
I myself did ridiculous low doses my whole career and only competed every few years. everybody said if I would up the ante I would be a good pro ( even top six pros told me I could beat them without much problem if I used the esoteric products you mentioned). now i'm fifty, and wish I would have pushed the envelope a bit. nothing crazy as I always had a strong respect/fear of the drugs. but then again I don't have a wife and kids.
here's me at twenty three and forty two, weighing 233 and 242 at a bit over 5'9
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Maybe you should take it up, toughen yourself up a little. Then you wouldn't have to leave a gym because of chilly draft. :D
A draft can kill you, you cant regulate your body temp in a draft.
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This site has gone down the shitter of late.
you average 21.621 posts per day here...
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you average 21.621 posts per day here...
This is an example in which correlation DOES equal causation.
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Dear Hazbin,
Your moniker is grossly misplaced!!!! Wow!!! You look incredible!!!
The discipline it takes to look like that now is amazing. You should
be very proud of yourself. I can't even drive by a Burger King or pizza joint
without fighting my conscience.
Harley
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Me in Brasil
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Me in Brasil
You look pretty darn good back when you looked pretty darn good.
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You look pretty darn good back when you looked pretty darn good.
Before he gained bulk you mean?
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Getting older is not as fun as I had thought and dieting becomes much more difficult but
I am working my way down again.
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Before he gained bulk you mean?
Well, yeah. Time, you know. Age. Food. Same as me.
How'd you make out?
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Reflex Silver:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/59/30/ac/5930acaf91c47ae8303eaaca905b58f1.jpg)
Will look classic on the Vette. Very good choice. What color interior, Harley.. what will inside be like all way around?
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Getting older is not as fun as I had thought and dieting becomes much more difficult but
I am working my way down again.
Same here.
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wäs it running when you got it? if not, did it have all windows available in shape to use (including back)?
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how long had it been stored?
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no, i guess you'd have to get safety glass
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Sorry... Only 6.
Still very respectable.
Ha ha ha, ho ho ho, sucka! ;D
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Dear Las Vegas,
When I bought the car, I ripped out the original 327 motor, trans and rear and have them for sale.
I replace all the glass on all the cars I build. This will not have safety glass as I have a modest 454 motor (only about 450 bhp)
newly built for this car. All my cars have EFI as those days of carberators following all the plugs every time the humidity rises are all over.
The interior is all brand new but exactly as it was and is black in color. There is a stereo and iPod adaptor built into a classic stock
looking radio.
The car is a Pro Street as well with 33 by 19.5 inch tires. It has a new automatic transmission and AC. This is a driver, not a race car.
In fact, even the Nova which is a true beast, is being built to sustain regular driving. That car is insane.
Harley
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How much do you spend on cars etc. each year?
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Training MMA. That's Jim Miller on the left outside the cage
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This is Craig about 2 weeks ago at a video shoot for NPC Online.
My cousin who just had a heart attack was invited by Craig to join us for the day.
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I took up painting 2 years ago.
Here, I found a photo of Venice, Italy which I liked and thought I would try paint
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This is a picture from one of our recent Halloween Party for The Kids.
My charity is affectionately referred to as "Harley's Kids".
I refused to register it with the State for 3 reasons:
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I didn't register my charity with the State for 3 reasons:
1) I don't need the Government telling me what I can do with my free time or my money
2) Not only am I not looking for a tax write off but I never ask for nor accept donations. I just want
people to come and experience it for themselves and teach their own children just how fortunate they are.
3) In New Jersey, you must register and call your beneficiaries by the specific term "retarded." The State
of New Jersey needs to become a bit more enlightened.
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My beloved Bruno who passed away last October at the age of 13.
No one is a tough guy when they have to put their own dog down.
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This is a picture from one of our recent Halloween Party for The Kids.
My charity is affectionately referred to as "Harley's Kids".
I refused to register it with the State for 3 reasons:
Breite , don't overexpose yourself here , it won't take long before some Getbiggers start hating you ,I've seen that happening many times here.
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My beloved Bruno who passed away last October at the age of 13.
No one is a tough guy when they have to put their own dog down.
Your late dog pulls the same facial expression as my dog.
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Breite , don't overexpose yourself here , it won't take long before some Getbiggers start hating you ,I've seen that happening many times here.
I told him this a few pages back ::)
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My beloved Bruno who passed away last October at the age of 13.
No one is a tough guy when they have to put their own dog down.
BIP :(
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Hey Guys,
I am trying to generate some conversation so seeing as this is a bodybuilding site, I offer this picture
of Craig 7 weeks out from the Mr. Olympia 212 Division.
From now on, I will be more cautious about over exposing myself.
Harley
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I took up painting 2 years ago.
Here, I found a photo of Venice, Italy which I liked and thought I would try paint
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=644800;image)
Man, Harley. That is good work.
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Breite , don't overexpose yourself here , it won't take long before some Getbiggers start hating you ,I've seen that happening many times here.
It's impossible to hate Harley.
He is a gentleman and a scholar.
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It's impossible to hate Harley.
He is a gentleman and a scholar.
Are you new here?
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My beloved Bruno who passed away last October at the age of 13.
No one is a tough guy when they have to put their own dog down.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=644804;image)
RIP Bruno
You can tell by looking at him that he was smart, too.
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Are you new here?
Been a member on Getbig since 2003.
This was my first account.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=1633
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Hey Guys,
It just seemed that Che and BeThere were tired of me (although they kept checking in thankfully)
so I thought it best to bring this back to bodybuilding seeing as cars and MMA were not drawing much conversation.
We are all here on GetBig to be engaged and interested by a topic or photo (you now know my favorite 2 persons for photos)
and if my posts were not interesting, then it's time to get a new topic.
I hope this one of Craig is better. 7 weeks out!!!
No insulin and no gut from the front or rear.
Harley
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RIP Bruno
You can tell by looking at him that he was smart, too.
You can?
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Harley
You have a large fan base on the east coast
-gene
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Harley, how come no one has done anything about prison rapes?
How come no one has sued prisons for liability?
Filt!
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Harley
You have a large fan base on the east coast
-gene
Dear Gene,
Thank you. That's nice to hear. I hope I can answer any questions, give some insight or make a point
to any topic of interest to you.
Harley
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Harley, how come no one has done anything about prison rapes?
How come no one has sued prisons for liability?
Filt!
Dear SaintAnger,
"Prison Rape" is one of the most exaggerated topics in the popular culture.
You would be shocked as to how many gay men there are in prison who either do it for free because
they like to and will also do it and keep quiet about it so they don't expose the other prisoner. Gay guys
are not in any shortage in prisons.
The other fact that might surprise some is how many guys who are straight when they enter, end up
engaging in homosexual activity but will not consider the act nor themselves "gay." They justify it by
saying that there is no other alternative and only because there are no women, they themselves are not gay.
Also, female guards and correction officers are more times than you would believe, paid to have sex with inmates.
One of my friends spent 17 years in one of NJ's worst prisons and for more than 2 years, he was dating a female guard
who would give him sex for free. He told me that other female guards were paid between $300 and $500 to have sex
with an inmate.
Harley
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Dear SaintAnger,
"Prison Rape" is one of the most exaggerated topics in the popular culture.
You would be shocked as to how many gay men there are in prison who either do it for free because
they like to and will also do it and keep quiet about it so they don't expose the other prisoner. Gay guys
are not in any shortage in prisons.
The other fact that might surprise some is how many guys who are straight when they enter, end up
engaging in homosexual activity but will not consider the act nor themselves "gay." They justify it by
saying that there is no other alternative and only because there are no women, they themselves are not gay.
Also, female guards and correction officers are more times than you would believe, paid to have sex with inmates.
One of my friends spent 17 years in one of NJ's worst prisons and for more than 2 years, he was dating a female guard
who would give him sex for free. He told me that other female guards were paid between $300 and $500 to have sex
with an inmate.
Harley
No wonder Goodrum used to be a prison guard.
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You can?
Yes.
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Harley, you haven't mentioned much about the Chevelle, the Nova or the TA. I hope you haven't given up on the car pics and info.
Everyone in this thread enjoys reading what you say. Trust me on that: it is the absolute truth. A few people will try to see if they can make you mad, but that's it (most posters here are used to the game and just tune-out that energy, and soon you will too). You've got one of the best threads the site has seen, and the craziest thing is that it has just started.
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Harley, you haven't mentioned much about the Chevelle, the Nova or the TA. I hope you haven't given up on the car pics and info.
Everyone in this thread enjoys reading what you say. Trust me on that: it is the absolute truth. A few people will try to see if they can make you mad, but that's it (most posters here are used to the game and just tune-out that energy, and soon you will too). You've got one of the best threads the site has seen, and the craziest thing is that it has just started.
X2. Its amazing to see how many things Harley has been involved with.
Harley, How do you find enough time in the day for all of your hobbies/passions, and have you found yourself burnt out from time to time?
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Harley, you have a kitchen like a bause! How much is your NJ home with if I may ask?
Also, how much student loan debt did you graduate with? How long did it take you to pay it off?
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Harley, you have a kitchen like a bause! How much is your NJ home with if I may ask?
Also, how much student loan debt did you graduate with? How long did it take you to pay it off?
Dear Saint Anger,
I'm not sure what a "bause" is but my "NJ home" is my only home and it is far from a large or ostentatious home.
It's comfortable for me and thankfully I never lived a "compete with the Jones'" lifestyle. Would it be nice to have a "Cribs"
type home with many garages and endless space? Sure, but not at the cost of being miserable in having to work just to attempt
to pay a mortgage. I'm not sure happiness for those who measure happiness in terms of square feet can ever be achieved. I'm
not a "hater" as some of my friends are incredibly wealthy and I have no resentment, jealous or envy. It's just not something I chose
to chase.
I spent 5 years in college (Rutgers College- B.A. in Philosophy and B.S. in Bio-Chemistry), 3 years at New York Law School and then afterwards went
for a Masters of Law at Temple University Law School (Trial Advocacy) and after earning that degree I then became a full time Ph.D. candidate at the Rutgers Graduate School of Criminal Justice.
I was fortunate enough not to have to take student loans so there was nothing for me to pay off but the moral and ethical debt I then acquired towards my parents for paying
for all that formal education.
Harley
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Harley, you haven't mentioned much about the Chevelle, the Nova or the TA. I hope you haven't given up on the car pics and info.
Everyone in this thread enjoys reading what you say. Trust me on that: it is the absolute truth. A few people will try to see if they can make you mad, but that's it (most posters here are used to the game and just tune-out that energy, and soon you will too). You've got one of the best threads the site has seen, and the craziest thing is that it has just started.
Dear Las Vegas,
I very much thank you for the kind words. You guys have been great and I enjoy the discourse and photos (although no one sent me my 2 favorites yet as a bribe for any real
insider information).
As far as the cars, I didn't want to seem as if I were bragging. I build and collect cars because I love cars and I believe life is short and fragile and what I don't do today, I may
never be able to do. I buy and build only the cars I love or have some personal connection to. While I like many cars, I am a very particular buyer/builder.
Most guys lie or actually have no idea as to the true specifications of their motors or other components. I chose a different route. I am personally involved with every aspect of these
builds.
The Nova has a 632 cubic inch motor (all chrome) with a 10-71 Blower. It has methane injection and is EFI (electronic fuel injection). It has 250 hp of NOS if needed.
When this motor was placed on the dyno (I have the video to verify), it did 1,095 bhp at 6,200 rpm with 1,051 lbs. ft. of torque. That was without the NOS.
The Chevelle has a custom built all aluminum 540 cubic inch motor. It too is EFI with 175 hp of NOS.
When the Chevelle motor was placed on the dyno (I have the video to verify), it did 782 bhp and 707 lbs. ft. of torque. With the NOS it did 980 bhp and 948 lbs. ft. of torque.
Both these cars are Pro Street and have been built to drive on the street with reliability. The both have custom built entire roll cages.
The Corvette is actually a 1965 body with a '63 Corvette Split Window modification. It is also a Pro Street but has a mild 454 cubic inch EFI motor putting out about 450 bhp.
The Trans Am is a 1971 especially being made for everyday driving. It has a built up 350 cubic inch (about 450 bhp) and is just going to be a very clean, reliable car.
I am not one of those guys who keeps his cars as museum pieces. I drive them. I drive the Ferrari and Bentley as often as possible.
Harley
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Also, female guards and correction officers are more times than you would believe, paid to have sex with inmates.
One of my friends spent 17 years in one of NJ's worst prisons and for more than 2 years, he was dating a female guard
who would give him sex for free. He told me that other female guards were paid between $300 and $500 to have sex
with an inmate.
Harley
Holy hell!!
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X2. Its amazing to see how many things Harley has been involved with.
Harley, How do you find enough time in the day for all of your hobbies/passions, and have you found yourself burnt out from time to time?
Dear Shizzo,
You have touched upon the Achilles Heel of my life: Too many interests and not enough devotion to one in particular.
As I mentioned, I train with Craig 5 days per week. I train BJJ/MMA 3 times per week. My hobbies include piano, painting and languages.
Added to that, I run a charity for Mentally & Physically Challenged kids and by the way, have my own law practice in an attempt to fund all this.
I am a person who is fascinated by the concept of "Greatness." For terms of clarity, I should use the phrase "Relative Greatness" as my opinion
as to what is great can be vastly different from another's opinion. Some achievements are perceived as "greater" than others by almost all of us while
some give preference to achievements that would initiate debate as to the qualification or even presence of "greatness."
Perhaps this will better clarify what I mean: Almost every human being would consider the feat of man walking on the moon and returning to earth as
"great." We pretty much all share in our awe and appreciation of this feat.
Now, take running a marathon for example. I would not consider everyone who finishes a marathon to have achieved something "great." However, for each
and every person who crossed that finish line, they themselves might believe (and rightfully so) that they have achieved greatness. This "greatness" is therefore
a Relative Greatness (what I refer to as an "RG").
Another example might be my own paintings. Obviously, they are not great and no serious student of art (and that whole concept is for another time) would ever
think my paintings are great. But, to me, they are great only because I've far exceeded my expectations as to what I could paint. RG permits me to feel that my
work is great while not having to compare it to a Van Gogh.
Back to your question. In order to achieve anything of substance, I believe you must practice what I call "Polite Selfishness" (PS).
Polite Selfishness is seen in the practice of those aspiring to achieve greatness by not allowing others to dictate his actions or beliefs.
For example. You are training for a bodybuilding show. You must diet. Your friend invites you to his BBQ. If you are the type of person, like me,
who simply can't even be around food while dieting, then you have to decline your friend's invite. His possible scorn is less important than your
ultimate goal. You must politely explain why it is you can't go. You have to politely tell your wife why you aren't bringing her somewhere. You have to
ignore others when they tell you where you need to be (a social event) or how you need to do something. You just can't attend every social function if
you are truly aspiring to achieve greatness.
I am an awful piano player. However, if I quit my other interests and didn't see my friends or family, I could spend the necessary time practicing piano. I choose
not to do that.
We are all making calculations as to the value of our time, energy and resources. I can't take every client that calls me if I want to achieve my own RG. I can't train
for the BJJ World Championships if I spend 2 hours a day at the piano. Everything is a sacrifice. And no one achieves their goal without sacrifice.
The hardest part is not spending time with your loved ones when you are on the path of your own RG. We all feel this and we all battle with the difficulties confronting
us as we try to continue on our own respective paths towards our own RG.
Harley
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RG + PS = CSN MFT.
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RG + PS = CSN MFT.
Sorry, I don't understand.
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Harley surely brings Breitness to our board!
While The Falcon (Marty) soars, Harley shines like a Star!(http://www.picgifs.com/glitter-gifs/s/stars/picgifs-stars-4190891.gif)(http://www.picgifs.com/glitter-gifs/s/stars/picgifs-stars-4190891.gif)(http://www.picgifs.com/glitter-gifs/s/stars/picgifs-stars-4190891.gif)
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Sorry, I don't understand.
Nothing, sorry.
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Sorry, I don't understand.
It's a Goodrum-esque inside joke here on Getbig. Stay a few more years here on the forums and you'll understand these nuances and intricasies of Peace.
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Dear Shizzo,
You have touched upon the Achilles Heel of my life: Too many interests and not enough devotion to one in particular.
As I mentioned, I train with Craig 5 days per week. I train BJJ/MMA 3 times per week. My hobbies include piano, painting and languages.
Added to that, I run a charity for Mentally & Physically Challenged kids and by the way, have my own law practice in an attempt to fund all this.
I am a person who is fascinated by the concept of "Greatness." For terms of clarity, I should use the phrase "Relative Greatness" as my opinion
as to what is great can be vastly different from another's opinion. Some achievements are perceived as "greater" than others by almost all of us while
some give preference to achievements that would initiate debate as to the qualification or even presence of "greatness."
Perhaps this will better clarify what I mean: Almost every human being would consider the feat of man walking on the moon and returning to earth as
"great." We pretty much all share in our awe and appreciation of this feat.
Now, take running a marathon for example. I would not consider everyone who finishes a marathon to have achieved something "great." However, for each
and every person who crossed that finish line, they themselves might believe (and rightfully so) that they have achieved greatness. This "greatness" is therefore
a Relative Greatness (what I refer to as an "RG").
Another example might be my own paintings. Obviously, they are not great and no serious student of art (and that whole concept is for another time) would ever
think my paintings are great. But, to me, they are great only because I've far exceeded my expectations as to what I could paint. RG permits me to feel that my
work is great while not having to compare it to a Van Gogh.
Back to your question. In order to achieve anything of substance, I believe you must practice what I call "Polite Selfishness" (PS).
Polite Selfishness is seen in the practice of those aspiring to achieve greatness by not allowing others to dictate his actions or beliefs.
For example. You are training for a bodybuilding show. You must diet. Your friend invites you to his BBQ. If you are the type of person, like me,
who simply can't even be around food while dieting, then you have to decline your friend's invite. His possible scorn is less important than your
ultimate goal. You must politely explain why it is you can't go. You have to politely tell your wife why you aren't bringing her somewhere. You have to
ignore others when they tell you where you need to be (a social event) or how you need to do something. You just can't attend every social function if
you are truly aspiring to achieve greatness.
I am an awful piano player. However, if I quit my other interests and didn't see my friends or family, I could spend the necessary time practicing piano. I choose
not to do that.
We are all making calculations as to the value of our time, energy and resources. I can't take every client that calls me if I want to achieve my own RG. I can't train
for the BJJ World Championships if I spend 2 hours a day at the piano. Everything is a sacrifice. And no one achieves their goal without sacrifice.
The hardest part is not spending time with your loved ones when you are on the path of your own RG. We all feel this and we all battle with the difficulties confronting
us as we try to continue on our own respective paths towards our own RG.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I enjoyed seeing Fonzie Jump The Shark but it made me ponder:
What does it really take to say or post a photo of something BeThere actually likes?
Which bodybuilder is a fan of? What are his interests or hobbies? Which women does he find hot?
It would be nice to engage him as well seeing as he is a big part of GetBig.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I enjoyed seeing Fonzie Jump The Shark but it made me ponder:
What does it really take to say or post a photo of something BeThere actually likes?
Which bodybuilder is a fan of? What are his interests or hobbies? Which women does he find hot?
It would be nice to engage him as well seeing as he is a big part of GetBig.
Harley
Im a pussy cat compared to whats coming......
Dont worry about me Harley, Im fine.
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Craig Richardson today, at 20 days out weighing 227.5 lbs.
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Im a pussy cat compared to whats coming......
Dont worry about me Harley, Im fine.
Dear BeThere,
To be "worried" about someone on a website is a bit ridiculous.
I'm just here to enjoy bodybuilding and other topics. No need for threats
or ominous warnings. It's all good.
Harley
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Dear BeThere,
To be "worried" about someone on a website is a bit ridiculous.
I'm just here to enjoy bodybuilding and other topics. No need for threats
or ominous warnings. It's all good.
Harley
Threats?
Not from me Harley
This site has a habit of turning on people who are successful and seem to have a good life.
Che already advised you against laying yourself bare here yet you continue to do it.
Last post from me Harley, dont say you weren't told.
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Thing is there are no bodybuilding fans on this board.
So why would they care what a few morons on here think?
A dick?
Im just pulling his leg, I thought this was getbig, not bodybuilding.com
This site has gone down the shitter of late.
Im pretty sure the getbig brethren will get bored of Harley soon and tear him a new asshole, it happened with joon.
Im a pussy cat compared to whats coming......
Threats?
Not from me Harley
This site has a habit of turning on people who are successful and seem to have a good life.
Che already advised you against laying yourself bare here yet you continue to do it.
Last post from me Harley, dont say you weren't told.
I've noticed that the only asshole in this thread towards Harley has been you.
This is not a threat, but a promise to you. If you keep trying to fuck up every single thread with your damn negativity, you will be permanently removed.
First and last warning. If you don't like the site, get the fuck out of here. I'd much rather have people like Harley here that have something to share besides negativity and incessant trolling. At least the guy does something more with his life than to shit on everyone's sunshine.
I've called Harley directly at his law offices and the man is 100% legit and has decided to share bits and pieces of his life with us. He is a breath of fresh air and I'd much rather have people like that here that can bring the right kind of energy with them. Stuntmovie is another guy that I truly appreciate.
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I've noticed that the only asshole in this thread towards Harley has been you.
This is not a threat, but a promise to you. If you keep trying to fuck up every single thread with your damn negativity, you will be permanently removed.
First and last warning. If you don't like the site, get the fuck out of here. I'd much rather have people like Harley here that have something to share besides negativity and incessant trolling. At least the guy does something more with his life than to shit on everyone's sunshine.
I've called Harley directly at his law offices and the man is 100% legit and has decided to share bits and pieces of his life with us. He is a breath of fresh air and I'd much rather have people like that here that can bring the right kind of energy with them. Stuntmovie is another guy that I truly appreciate.
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Im not going to comment further on this thread just to say I know Harley is a good guy.
See PM.
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You sound just like joon.(but hes trolling)
A bit of advice.
Getbig is a place where people with a semblence of an interesting life can ride the waves of the hopeless basement dwellers desperatly wanting to live their lives through others because they themselves dont have one.
But beware, they are a fickle bunch, and whilst now you are getting posts of admiration and envy , the envy soon turns to hatred.
See joon.
Oh the irony! :D
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Dear Las Vegas,
I very much thank you for the kind words. You guys have been great and I enjoy the discourse and photos (although no one sent me my 2 favorites yet as a bribe for any real
insider information).
As far as the cars, I didn't want to seem as if I were bragging. I build and collect cars because I love cars and I believe life is short and fragile and what I don't do today, I may
never be able to do. I buy and build only the cars I love or have some personal connection to. While I like many cars, I am a very particular buyer/builder.
Most guys lie or actually have no idea as to the true specifications of their motors or other components. I chose a different route. I am personally involved with every aspect of these
builds.
The Nova has a 632 cubic inch motor (all chrome) with a 10-71 Blower. It has methane injection and is EFI (electronic fuel injection). It has 250 hp of NOS if needed.
When this motor was placed on the dyno (I have the video to verify), it did 1,095 bhp at 6,200 rpm with 1,051 lbs. ft. of torque. That was without the NOS.
The Chevelle has a custom built all aluminum 540 cubic inch motor. It too is EFI with 175 hp of NOS.
When the Chevelle motor was placed on the dyno (I have the video to verify), it did 782 bhp and 707 lbs. ft. of torque. With the NOS it did 980 bhp and 948 lbs. ft. of torque.
Both these cars are Pro Street and have been built to drive on the street with reliability. The both have custom built entire roll cages.
The Corvette is actually a 1965 body with a '63 Corvette Split Window modification. It is also a Pro Street but has a mild 454 cubic inch EFI motor putting out about 450 bhp.
The Trans Am is a 1971 especially being made for everyday driving. It has a built up 350 cubic inch (about 450 bhp) and is just going to be a very clean, reliable car.
I am not one of those guys who keeps his cars as museum pieces. I drive them. I drive the Ferrari and Bentley as often as possible.
Harley
Man, that Nova almost sounds like too much (just almost, though ;D ;D ;D). Very nice.
71 TA is awesome. Yes. How about the Chevelle and the Nova (what years)?
Quite interesting that the Vette is a modified 65, and it seems stock on those is/was actually Sebring Silver... so this paint will give it a little extra umph! without people necessarily knowing why. I like it.
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Im not going to comment further on this thread just to say I know Harley is a good guy.
See PM.
Solid PM and very fair in your response.
By the way, my stance isn't just particular to Be There, he and I also go way back. My stance is with regards to everyone.
Harley, Stuntmovie & Tony Doherty are absolute treasures in my eyes. These guys have a world of knowledge and experience to share with everyone. Those are the kind of men that should be allowed to share without the incessant trolling that occurs here every day.
Let them share and those that appreciate and have questions, feel free to comment. If there is nothing positive to say in their particular threads, just leave it be.
There are hundreds, if not thousands of threads, all over the site where free trolling can occur with any major consequence.
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One could NEVER hate Harlem Breite, there is ONLY love and appreciation for what he has done!
He is not only a gentleman but also a scholar!
Also a very compassionate soul helping the lesser fortunate!
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Great delts on Craig.
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This client was charged with cutting the throat, from one side to the next of his hooker girlfriend just 5 months
after being released from a 6 year prison sentence for Aggravated Assault. While in prison he slashed the face of
an inmate so badly that he spent 1 year in solitary confinement.
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Dear Harley
Do you have problems when you have to deal with those kind of criminals? I mean, I'de bet some of those morons threat their own lawyer.
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Threats?
Not from me Harley
This site has a habit of turning on people who are successful and seem to have a good life.
Che already advised you against laying yourself bare here yet you continue to do it.
Last post from me Harley, dont say you weren't told.
You're the only one who's been talking trash about him in this thread.
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I've noticed that the only asshole in this thread towards Harley has been you.
This is not a threat, but a promise to you. If you keep trying to fuck up every single thread with your damn negativity, you will be permanently removed.
First and last warning. If you don't like the site, get the fuck out of here. I'd much rather have people like Harley here that have something to share besides negativity and incessant trolling. At least the guy does something more with his life than to shit on everyone's sunshine.
I've called Harley directly at his law offices and the man is 100% legit and has decided to share bits and pieces of his life with us. He is a breath of fresh air and I'd much rather have people like that here that can bring the right kind of energy with them. Stuntmovie is another guy that I truly appreciate.
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With words this eloquent I would let you open mouth kiss me, no tongue, movie style. Not ready to commit.
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I've called Harley directly at his law offices
OMR channeling his inner Fitness Frenzy stalker in this thread.
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Dear SaintAnger,
"Prison Rape" is one of the most exaggerated topics in the popular culture.
You would be shocked as to how many gay men there are in prison who either do it for free because
they like to and will also do it and keep quiet about it so they don't expose the other prisoner. Gay guys
are not in any shortage in prisons.
The other fact that might surprise some is how many guys who are straight when they enter, end up
engaging in homosexual activity but will not consider the act nor themselves "gay." They justify it by
saying that there is no other alternative and only because there are no women, they themselves are not gay.
Also, female guards and correction officers are more times than you would believe, paid to have sex with inmates.
One of my friends spent 17 years in one of NJ's worst prisons and for more than 2 years, he was dating a female guard
who would give him sex for free. He told me that other female guards were paid between $300 and $500 to have sex
with an inmate.
Harley
How does an inmate get a hold of $300-$500?
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How does an inmate get a hold of $300-$500?
Family , gambling , selling drugs , offering protection , ..................
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Dear Be There,
I very much appreciate your advice. You seem to be a long time and well respected GetBigger.
I often say that in my professional life, "I am not in the Appreciation Game."
I didn't come to GetBig to be appreciated, but rather, to see if there was any interest in talking
bodybuilding, diet, training, supplements, cardio and even other stuff I think is kool (cars, MMA, etc.).
Of course, it's always nice to be well received but no one can please everyone so I understand that
my recent bout of interest to a small few will probably precipitously wane in the very near future.
But, if there is conversation to be had about what really goes on in Bodybuilding and there is real information
that can benefit my training, diet and cardio, then it's worth being on GetBig.
Would also be nice if some of the guys introduced themselves at the shows. Say what you will about The Mayor
of Bodybuilding, but Craig and I met him along with his friends well over 10 years ago at a NY show and he couldn't
have been a nicer guy. I promised to mail him some Craig Richardson t-shirts he had requested and when they arrived
he seemed genuinely shocked but also pleased. He's just a big fan who as far as I know, never hurt or even insulted anyone.
I like guys who are really fans of the sport as they are the ones most eager to trade information and not hoard it for
themselves like many of the pro bodybuilders, specifically Dexter Jackson, but don't get me started on him.
Harley
Harley
thanks for all the great inside info on BJJ and bravo
please tell us more insider stories on dexter Jackson?
I thought he was actually quite helpful to Craig- as I recall on one of the 2004 or 05 BFO videos Craig mentioning Dexter had helped him with diet/drug advices?
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Family , gambling , selling drugs , offering protection , ..................
America is such a great country. Even prisoners can get a hold of drugs and sex. How can you not succeed if you are willing to just get out of bed in the morning?
America! Fu ck yeah!
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America is such a great country. Even prisoners can get a hold of drugs and sex. How can you not succeed if you are willing to just get out of bed in the morning?
America! Fu ck yeah!
It's even worse in other countries. Just take a look at El Chapo.
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Harley
thanks for all the great inside info on BJJ and bravo
please tell us more insider stories on dexter Jackson?
I thought he was actually quite helpful to Craig- as I recall on one of the 2004 or 05 BFO videos Craig mentioning Dexter had helped him with diet/drug advices?
Yes, Dexter and your experience with Bustamante? Also, any experience with Belfort? Huge fan as he's the very last of the original UFC first generation fighters.
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Hey Guys,
I am trying to generate some conversation so seeing as this is a bodybuilding site, I offer this picture
of Craig 7 weeks out from the Mr. Olympia 212 Division.
From now on, I will be more cautious about over exposing myself.
Harley
jeez!
7 weeks out
Craig looks almost ready to step on stage! just holding small amount of water
looks great
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Harley
if $ was no object, what would be your dream car to own ?
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Harley if you had been Titus's lawyer, do you think he'd be competing at the Olympia this year?
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Hey Guys,
I really appreciate all the kinds words and support and will stay on this site as long as there is interest and discourse
among us.
I don't believe everyone need agree with me and America is the symbol for free discourse among those who can agree and even
disagree. I am interested in hearing opposing views but I prefer them in a coherent, sincere and non-racist fashion. BeThere is
certainly entitled to dislike me or disagree with me, my lifestyles and my philosophies. I would just hope we could engage in a more
friendly manner.
I thank you again for all the support and will now get back to answering your specific questions.
Oh, by the way, I thought you guys would kill me regarding my court appearance yesterday on behalf of a Muslim fellow who tried to light
up a synagogue (the exact one in which I learned to read and write Hebrew as a kid). The Press was perplexed by the whole thing.
Harley
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Man, that Nova almost sounds like too much (just almost, though ;D ;D ;D). Very nice.
71 TA is awesome. Yes. How about the Chevelle and the Nova (what years)?
Quite interesting that the Vette is a modified 65, and it seems stock on those is/was actually Sebring Silver... so this paint will give it a little extra umph! without people necessarily knowing why. I like it.
Dear Las Vegas,
The Nova is a serious car but still intended for reliable street use. I purposely left off the parachute and wheelie bars so I could actually use the car.
The Chevelle and Nova are both from 1967, the year I was born. I previously owned a 67 Chevelle in the same color I am doing this one but it was far
from the one being built. It had a 71 Camaro 350 LT1 motor with 360 bhp and solid lifters.
The reason I modified a 65 Vette is that 65 has my favorite body style sans the 63 Split Window. There is a company out there that produces the
"Split Window" for conversion to specific year Vettes, 65 being one of them. Therefore, the solution seemed simple. I was debating between painting it
black or this silver and then opted for something with a bit more class and to accentuate the lines of the car.
Harley
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Great delts on Craig.
Dear Neither Animal,
That is quite a compliment coming from you. I have seen some of your responses on the site and you have quite an
eye and way with words.
Harley
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Dear Harley
Do you have problems when you have to deal with those kind of criminals? I mean, I'de bet some of those morons threat their own lawyer.
Dear el number uno,
I have discussed some of the issues I've had with clients and death threats from various different gang members.
I believe I mentioned some of this in my rant about the government now attempting to take away my Permit To Carry
A Handgun.
If you read that stuff but would like some further comment just ask me something specific and I will respond.
Most of these clients resent their own lawyer because they have to pay them. It's not like going to a doctor who gets paid
by some insurance company.
I can tell you something that might surprise you. The nicest, most polite and easiest of all my clients are the Sex Offenders. The Murderers
are the next friendly and polite. If all my clients treated me like those 2 groups, I would be elated. The absolute worst to deal with are the drug
dealers. They are the most arrogant, selfish and rude people.
Harley
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How does an inmate get a hold of $300-$500?
Dear Pellius,
It is very common for family members to put money into the "account" of an inmate so that he can buy more food.
However, in paying for sex, the inmates friends on the outside or family members would drop off or mail a Money Order
to someone. Once the guard knows the money order is received, she engages in the sex.
Sometimes, but oh so rarely, a gang member will put up some money but this is not as common as the movies make it to be.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
Do black lives matter?
Schnauzer
Hey Guys,
For future reference, I am not going to spend any time responding to questions of this nature.
My work and my lifestyle are evidence of my position on racism.
Harley
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Yes, Dexter and your experience with Bustamante? Also, any experience with Belfort? Huge fan as he's the very last of the original UFC first generation fighters.
Hey Guys,
I have been asked about several people in terms of my own experiences with them. I offer the following as only MY experiences and MY opinions which,
are just mine, limited and not exhaustive. However, here they are:
1) You are correct in that Dexter did give Craig advice on dieting for his first show after bombing out at his first Night of Champions (Victor won that his first time).
Craig ended up taking 3rd place in Orlando. Dexter did not compete in that show.
Craig then offered to pay Dexter to help him for the next show and Dexter refused with a bullshit response that Craig was competition for him and he couldn't do that
to himself. Complete bullshit. Dexter was at this point rising to the top and Craig was a mid-level pro at best. Dexter could've been honest with his "friend". Or, he could've
offered to help but not to as much time as would interfere with his own schedule. Bottom line is, he just didn't care enough to help someone else.
I also had a debate with Dexter after an Olympia contest where ALL competitors MUST appear at a Banquet IMMEDIATELY after the actual night show ends. I somehow, always sneak
in. Actually, Robin Chang sits at the door and checks attendance and welcomes me and lets me right in. It is closed to the fans. Well, Dexter had a 16 button Steve Harvey yellow
as a bee suit on and insisted his suits were better than mine. Craig informed Dexter that he was wrong but Dexter insisted on rubbing me further. Finally, Craig told him that I
own 82 custom made suits with a thread count of at least 160. Dexter didn't even understand that. I just laughed an walked away.
I will say this about Dexter. I spent some time with him immediately after he had just won the Mr. O and he was genuinely elated and humbled. He felt honored and carried himself
very well that night. He was gracious with the fans for photos and comported himself well the entire year.
2) Murilo Bustamante was, in the end, another stereotypical Brazilian in the sense that he was ungrateful and had a sense of entitlement.
I went to him for private lessons at his Brazilian Top Team academy in Rio. That is not something most Gracie guys do but to me, Jiu-Jitsu is an open book and I am free to study
with anyone whom I choose. Well, I went and the very first thing is that he doesn't take me seriously until I mention I will pay more than his usual fee. Now he has all the time for me.
I begin every single first private lesson with whomever I am training with the same question: You are me. I can not get away from a guy and I know we are going to fight.
What is MY first move? Remember, I am 5 foot 7 inches tall with NO reach. Bustamante tells me to throw a right cross to the face!!! Really!!! Have you seen the reach on Bustamante?
I express my doubts and ask him why he took up BJJ if his first move is what every idiot on the planet can do after never training a single minute. I don't get a coherent answer. In
attempting to have him assess my physical attributes and discuss what I feel comfortable doing, I still get nowhere with him.
Let me say this; he was very nice. The training was very good.
The following Christmas I had someone deliver to him and one of his students who lived in a favela a very nice Michael Cross watch.
Did he ever email me a thank you? No. In fact, he was right there at the World Championships the next summer while I was competing, saw me, saw I had no
coach or anyone with me and never even came up to me. That sealed the deal on my opinion of Bustamante.
3) Vitor Belfort: I have never had any interaction with him at all. I only know of the omnipresent rumors in Brasil that he is bi-sexual. I don't like rumors about me and that
is why I don't usually follow up on rumors about others. I really don't know anything about him.
Harley
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Harley, what is your honest opinion about the "ghetto" crisis in America with the non-stop violent crime, heaps of children out of wedlock, no fathers, etc? Oh, the agony!
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Harley,
What is your carry-gun of choice? I know there are some funky laws in NJ about mag capacity and ammunition (no HP, I think). What do you carry in NJ, and what would you carry if you lived in the United States of America?
Thanks.
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Harley, what is your honest opinion about the "ghetto" crisis in America with the non-stop violent crime, heaps of children out of wedlock, no fathers, etc? Oh, the agony!
Dear Saint Anger,
Oh, I have very strong opinions on those related topics.
Here goes: This is a CULTURAL issue!!! Teachers don't teach young kids morals and good decision making; that comes from within the home or probably never
comes at all. Don't blame the teachers when the parents don't read to their own kids. I often see parents actually swearing at their young children. What is even
more disturbing to me yet goes untouched is how frequently parents are yelling at their young kids. I see mothers screaming in public at their 5 year old kids. Isn't someone
going to tell them that there are serious consequences to a young child's psyche, self esteem, learning model, social development and intellectual development when a parent
insists on screaming at their own kid, especially in public? The raised voice of a parent has serious implications on the mindset of any young child. Because these "parents" are
themselves too young to be considered "mature adults" their child rearing skills are mostly dreadful. Children need positive reinforcement at a very young age along with
discriminatory discipline and yelling. Constant yelling serves only to diminish all of the necessary development skills, both psychological and physical which a child needs
nurtured, not destroyed over time.
My big issue is role models and "babies having babies." This is NOT a color issue. This, for me, applies to all socio-economically challenged persons.
Role models such as basketball stars, NASCAR drivers and rappers serve very little purpose except to perpetuate a lower class left entirely without options as a result of their
own failure to seize opportunities. I am affronted by those who don't teach their children that role models are of the Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice version, not tattoo faced rappers
like Lil' John or whatever that fool's name might be.
Young children devoid of at least a high school education or a full-time trade should be taught NOT to procreate until such time as they can afford to raise a child. This is a situation
which can not have a pleasant ending. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy and a Circle of Social Suicide" which, if not remedied, will serve only to widen the chasm between the lower class
and every other class.
Now of course, you can always find exceptions to the rule but that only serves to prove the actual rule itself. Do you want your child to have to be lucky enough to be the "exception?"
Of course not. This all begins in the home and then continues, not originates, in the schools.
These are just my honest views to a question posed to me.
Harley
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Harley,
What is your carry-gun of choice? I know there are some funky laws in NJ about mag capacity and ammunition (no HP, I think). What do you carry in NJ, and what would you carry if you lived in the United States of America?
Thanks.
Dear AJ,
While I have a modest collection of firearms, Craig Richardson is actually very knowledgable about guns and extremely proficient in shooting. He goes to the practice range quite often.
Keeping in mind that I have very small hands and have twice broken my right hand, I only carry "sub compact" guns. I like a .45 caliber for the stopping power. The guys coming after me
are well armed, sometimes have bullet proof vests and are often very high, sometimes on PCP.
My favorite brand is Kahr. It's not a popular brand but I buy what I like and feels good, not what is in vogue. My Kimber 1911 is well equipped and most comfortable too.
I have an FNX -45 Tactical which holds 15 plus one in the chamber. It's a nice gun for me too.
Harley
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Harley
if $ was no object, what would be your dream car to own ?
Dear Old School Lifter,
That is a great question which some of my "car guys" and I sit around and discuss over some good food when their wives let them out.
I very much wished to own a 1992 Ferrari F-40, a 1964 Ferrari 250 GT Lusso, a 1989 Anniversary Lamborghini Countach, a 1968 "Bullitt" Mustang.
There are so many but those are dream cars for me.
Harley
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Harley if you had been Titus's lawyer, do you think he'd be competing at the Olympia this year?
Dear V Man,
The honest, but boring answer to that is, without actually knowing the entire file, it would be impossible to say.
One thing I would've immediately been all over is making sure that his girlfriend didn't get too much of a better deal and if
she did, I would whip that over and over again to a jury.
His crime was vicious but perhaps not as premeditated as the State might like. I don't think he would do less than 15 years unless
winning a trial but losing on a much lower charge.
I don't know if Craig hired private counsel or not.
Harley
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Mr Breite this is one of the best thread since i'm here, thanks a lot for the great and interesting stories, hope you're here to stay... Loved the part about your freaky cars, congrats, although i'm more into euro stuff, i have a M3 E46 currently, had the CSL for awhile, not mine, and other BMWs slightly tuned... Regarding bb, have you ever met Paul Dillett? Have you some interesting stories regarding the freaks of the 90s? Did you know some greats in boxing and MMA? Thanks in advance...
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Dear AJ,
While I have a modest collection of firearms, Craig Richardson is actually very knowledgable about guns and extremely proficient in shooting. He goes to the practice range quite often.
Keeping in mind that I have very small hands and have twice broken my right hand, I only carry "sub compact" guns. I like a .45 caliber for the stopping power. The guys coming after me
are well armed, sometimes have bullet proof vests and are often very high, sometimes on PCP.
My favorite brand is Kahr. It's not a popular brand but I buy what I like and feels good, not what is in vogue. My Kimber 1911 is well equipped and most comfortable too.
I have an FNX -45 Tactical which holds 15 plus one in the chamber. It's a nice gun for me too.
Harley
Kahr makes a nice compact gun. Their .45 ACP must kick like a mule. I would probably use a .45 also if I was relegated to using ball ammo and not HP ammo.
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I believe Harley represents America.
We should replace the 50 stars on the flag with Harleys face.
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Harley,
Thanks for your response. I understand it is a culture issue. Where do you see this ending for black folks? I wonder how many killings they can have on the south side of Chicago before a stray bullet kills an innocent white person. Then what? Are we on the verge of a tipping point? Economically, what about gentrification? What will happen to them? Where will they go as the gap between them and us spreads wider (for whatever reason, responsibility, etc)? I'm seriously interested in this sort of thing. Thank you and law on!
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A 25 page appreciation thread? That's a lot of motherfucking appreciation.
I hear-by declare this thread closed. Anyone posting in this thread will be beaten, severely.
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A 25 page appreciation thread? That's a lot of motherfucking appreciation.
I hear-by declare this thread closed. Anyone posting in this thread will be beaten, severely.
Dear TommyWishbone,
I'm a big fan of your responses on so many different topics.
I was sad to see that you have had your fill of this thread.
By responding to you, I do hope that you won't start a fight with me at the Mr. O.
Your views and experiences really interested me.
Sincerely,
Harley
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I bet the 67 Novas are rare, too. Sounds crazy, but I don't recall ever seeing one. Looking at google images, I notice the overall body style isn't unlike the Chevelle, either. (but probably a little smaller?)
Your vehicle collection sounds like it will be bad ass. When you start taking car pics, I hope you won't forget us on GB.
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Sorry, Tommy! (don't let that stop you from severely beating my dick, though - nh)
;D
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Harley, in your experience seeing and hearing things with BBing: What would your judgment tell you is a reasonable way to successfully perform PCT?
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Dear Las Vegas,
At the risk of sounding ignorant, I don't know what PCT is?
If you tell me what it is, I might have an opinion.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
At the risk of sounding ignorant, I don't know what PCT is?
If you tell me what it is, I might have an opinion.
Harley
PCT is post-cycle therapy, but overall it refers to the treatment of raised estrogen from using gear, usually done as an attempt to stop negative effects before they happen (that's the main part of it).
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Dear SaintAnger,
"Prison Rape" is one of the most exaggerated topics in the popular culture.
You would be shocked as to how many gay men there are in prison who either do it for free because
they like to and will also do it and keep quiet about it so they don't expose the other prisoner. Gay guys
are not in any shortage in prisons.
The other fact that might surprise some is how many guys who are straight when they enter, end up
engaging in homosexual activity but will not consider the act nor themselves "gay." They justify it by
saying that there is no other alternative and only because there are no women, they themselves are not gay.
Also, female guards and correction officers are more times than you would believe, paid to have sex with inmates.
One of my friends spent 17 years in one of NJ's worst prisons and for more than 2 years, he was dating a female guard
who would give him sex for free. He told me that other female guards were paid between $300 and $500 to have sex
with an inmate.
Harley
EXACTLY !!!!!
I say this all the time, rapes do happen but not as much as people seems to think.
Same thing with people thinking pedos get beat up in prison.
They don't. If inmates can make some money with them nothing will happen to them the whole time they are there.
As far as female CO fucking inmates for money, I'd say the ones who do it do it for free simply because they have deep emotional and psychological issues. It happens quite often that a female CO fall in love with an inmate
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PCT is post-cycle therapy, but overall it refers to the treatment of raised estrogen from using gear, usually done as an attempt to stop negative effects before they happen (that's the main part of it).
Dear Las Vegas,
We call it "changing cycles." LOL.
It's very important especially given that receptors become less operative faster than we would like.
Also, the "crash" back down doesn't do anyone any good.
Assuming a person hasn't had the gland removed (a surgery I highly recommend and done by all pros), they need to be concerned with gynocomastia.
Nolvadex and Arimidex are critical. If the gland is removed, no need for Nolvadex but keep the Arimidex.
When the person "switches," HCG is great.
Harley
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Dear TommyWishbone,
I'm a big fan of your responses on so many different topics.
I was sad to see that you have had your fill of this thread.
By responding to you, I do hope that you won't start a fight with me at the Mr. O.
Your views and experiences really interested me.
Sincerely,
Harley
Harley! I'm not being serious! That's called humor.
Post away you delightful lunatics.
Love, Tommy
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Harley! I'm not being serious! That's called humor.
Post away you delightful lunatics.
Love, Tommy
Dear Tommy,
I too, was kidding. I am still not very good at communicating my thoughts or sarcasm through the computer.
I've read a great deal of your stuff and it's really kool.
I remember looking forward to your stuff and some other guy who everyone thought was around the pros long ago for a very long time.
I can't remember his name but he was really old school and people sought his opinions as they still do yours.
I do hope to have you on board and wish to hear your take on things.
Harley
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Harley, what things stood out to you or maybe shocked you when you visited South America?
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Harley, what things stood out to you or maybe shocked you when you visited South America?
Dear Las Vegas,
I am running out to do a consult (Maintaining a Drug Manufacturing Facility) but let me answer your question as per Brasil:
1) The pervasive feeling of lawlessness
2) The realization that the police are not very interested in your overall safety and will not conduct a serious
investigation should you become "missing."
3) The abject poverty of the Brazilian favelas. I have the fairly rare privilege of not only entering a Rio favela but
having lunch with a member who lives there. Great photos.
4) The lack of respect for human life.
5) The attitude that working like a dog leaves you less fortunate than an actual dog.
6) No one dares yell "fuck you" to someone without knowing 100% that a real fight will ensure. Not like the cowards here
who yell and speed off in their cars, the same cars that just cut you off.
Harley
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I am running out to do a consult (Maintaining a Drug Manufacturing Facility) but let me answer your question as per Brasil:
1) The pervasive feeling of lawlessness
2) The realization that the police are not very interested in your overall safety and will not conduct a serious
investigation should you become "missing."
3) The abject poverty of the Brazilian favelas. I have the fairly rare privilege of not only entering a Rio favela but
having lunch with a member who lives there. Great photos.
4) The lack of respect for human life.
5) The attitude that working like a dog leaves you less fortunate than an actual dog.
6) No one dares yell "fuck you" to someone without knowing 100% that a real fight will ensure. Not like the cowards here
who yell and speed off in their cars, the same cars that just cut you off.
Harley
Harley
Yes, that's what I was thinking. I'm sure it's a beautiful place with its scenery, too, which probably makes all those things seem so displaced. It can't be good when the most common sentiment is utter desperation... something's definitely wrong.
I would really like to see those pics.
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Hey Guys,
I have been asked about several people in terms of my own experiences with them. I offer the following as only MY experiences and MY opinions which,
are just mine, limited and not exhaustive. However, here they are:
1) You are correct in that Dexter did give Craig advice on dieting for his first show after bombing out at his first Night of Champions (Victor won that his first time).
Craig ended up taking 3rd place in Orlando. Dexter did not compete in that show.
Craig then offered to pay Dexter to help him for the next show and Dexter refused with a bullshit response that Craig was competition for him and he couldn't do that
to himself. Complete bullshit. Dexter was at this point rising to the top and Craig was a mid-level pro at best. Dexter could've been honest with his "friend". Or, he could've
offered to help but not to as much time as would interfere with his own schedule. Bottom line is, he just didn't care enough to help someone else.
I also had a debate with Dexter after an Olympia contest where ALL competitors MUST appear at a Banquet IMMEDIATELY after the actual night show ends. I somehow, always sneak
in. Actually, Robin Chang sits at the door and checks attendance and welcomes me and lets me right in. It is closed to the fans. Well, Dexter had a 16 button Steve Harvey yellow
as a bee suit on and insisted his suits were better than mine. Craig informed Dexter that he was wrong but Dexter insisted on rubbing me further. Finally, Craig told him that I
own 82 custom made suits with a thread count of at least 160. Dexter didn't even understand that. I just laughed an walked away.
I will say this about Dexter. I spent some time with him immediately after he had just won the Mr. O and he was genuinely elated and humbled. He felt honored and carried himself
very well that night. He was gracious with the fans for photos and comported himself well the entire year.
2) Murilo Bustamante was, in the end, another stereotypical Brazilian in the sense that he was ungrateful and had a sense of entitlement.
I went to him for private lessons at his Brazilian Top Team academy in Rio. That is not something most Gracie guys do but to me, Jiu-Jitsu is an open book and I am free to study
with anyone whom I choose. Well, I went and the very first thing is that he doesn't take me seriously until I mention I will pay more than his usual fee. Now he has all the time for me.
I begin every single first private lesson with whomever I am training with the same question: You are me. I can not get away from a guy and I know we are going to fight.
What is MY first move? Remember, I am 5 foot 7 inches tall with NO reach. Bustamante tells me to throw a right cross to the face!!! Really!!! Have you seen the reach on Bustamante?
I express my doubts and ask him why he took up BJJ if his first move is what every idiot on the planet can do after never training a single minute. I don't get a coherent answer. In
attempting to have him assess my physical attributes and discuss what I feel comfortable doing, I still get nowhere with him.
Let me say this; he was very nice. The training was very good.
The following Christmas I had someone deliver to him and one of his students who lived in a favela a very nice Michael Cross watch.
Did he ever email me a thank you? No. In fact, he was right there at the World Championships the next summer while I was competing, saw me, saw I had no
coach or anyone with me and never even came up to me. That sealed the deal on my opinion of Bustamante.
3) Vitor Belfort: I have never had any interaction with him at all. I only know of the omnipresent rumors in Brasil that he is bi-sexual. I don't like rumors about me and that
is why I don't usually follow up on rumors about others. I really don't know anything about him.
Harley
fantastic insights and stories Harley
thanks for sharing these!
but really it comes as no surprise that Dexter would not help Craig, generally speaking I would say that 99 % of pros would probably have done the same as Dexter- they are a selfish bunch
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Harley,
Thanks for your response. I understand it is a culture issue. Where do you see this ending for black folks? I wonder how many killings they can have on the south side of Chicago before a stray bullet kills an innocent white person. Then what? Are we on the verge of a tipping point? Economically, what about gentrification? What will happen to them? Where will they go as the gap between them and us spreads wider (for whatever reason, responsibility, etc)? I'm seriously interested in this sort of thing. Thank you and law on!
If the individuals in question are poor, then the same thing will happen to them as all poor people (doesn't matter what color skin).
If they aren't poor, then maybe they can buy themselves a little time relative to their wealth. God willing, of course.
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Dear Harley,
What do you think the meaning of life is?
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Hey Guys,
I am here remotely with my Computer Guy and we are trying to figure out how to post pictures. Whenever we try to post images with a .jpeg extension, they are rejected. We get an error message saying that only pictures with jpg or gif extensions can be posted. How can we post .jpeg photos? Most of our photos are .jpeg.
The other problem we are having is that it says that a picture exceeds 500 kb. How do we get around that?
I really appreciate your help and my Computer Guy will read your instructions, fix it and then explain it to me in Idiot Simple terms so I myself can
begin to post better pictures.
Thanks so much.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I am here remotely with my Computer Guy and we are trying to figure out how to post pictures. Whenever we try to post images with a .jpeg extension, they are rejected. We get an error message saying that only pictures with jpg or gif extensions can be posted. How can we post .jpeg photos? Most of our photos are .jpeg.
The other problem we are having is that it says that a picture exceeds 500 kb. How do we get around that?
I really appreciate your help and my Computer Guy will read your instructions, fix it and then explain it to me in Idiot Simple terms so I myself can
begin to post better pictures.
Thanks so much.
Harley
http://www.picresize.com/ (http://www.picresize.com/)
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Hey Guys,
I am here remotely with my Computer Guy and we are trying to figure out how to post pictures. Whenever we try to post images with a .jpeg extension, they are rejected. We get an error message saying that only pictures with jpg or gif extensions can be posted. How can we post .jpeg photos? Most of our photos are .jpeg.
The other problem we are having is that it says that a picture exceeds 500 kb. How do we get around that?
I really appreciate your help and my Computer Guy will read your instructions, fix it and then explain it to me in Idiot Simple terms so I myself can
begin to post better pictures.
Thanks so much.
Harley
You need to get another computer guy. These issues are ridiculously simply but just hard to explain. Having someone show you is really best way. Next time you see a kid on his Iphone offer him $20 and he'll take you through it easy.
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Harley, do you have any insights into the death of Rickson's son, Rockson, and also Renzo's brother, Ryan?
Rockson was no angel but Ryan, by all accounts, was just an evil cruel person? Even Ralph was a hot head. It's amazing how Renzo turned out to be such an exceptional, personable and charming human being.
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Dear Saint Anger,
Oh, I have very strong opinions on those related topics.
Here goes: This is a CULTURAL issue!!! Teachers don't teach young kids morals and good decision making; that comes from within the home or probably never
comes at all. Don't blame the teachers when the parents don't read to their own kids. I often see parents actually swearing at their young children. What is even
more disturbing to me yet goes untouched is how frequently parents are yelling at their young kids. I see mothers screaming in public at their 5 year old kids. Isn't someone
going to tell them that there are serious consequences to a young child's psyche, self esteem, learning model, social development and intellectual development when a parent
insists on screaming at their own kid, especially in public? The raised voice of a parent has serious implications on the mindset of any young child. Because these "parents" are
themselves too young to be considered "mature adults" their child rearing skills are mostly dreadful. Children need positive reinforcement at a very young age along with
discriminatory discipline and yelling. Constant yelling serves only to diminish all of the necessary development skills, both psychological and physical which a child needs
nurtured, not destroyed over time.
My big issue is role models and "babies having babies." This is NOT a color issue. This, for me, applies to all socio-economically challenged persons.
Role models such as basketball stars, NASCAR drivers and rappers serve very little purpose except to perpetuate a lower class left entirely without options as a result of their
own failure to seize opportunities. I am affronted by those who don't teach their children that role models are of the Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice version, not tattoo faced rappers
like Lil' John or whatever that fool's name might be.
Young children devoid of at least a high school education or a full-time trade should be taught NOT to procreate until such time as they can afford to raise a child. This is a situation
which can not have a pleasant ending. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy and a Circle of Social Suicide" which, if not remedied, will serve only to widen the chasm between the lower class
and every other class.
Now of course, you can always find exceptions to the rule but that only serves to prove the actual rule itself. Do you want your child to have to be lucky enough to be the "exception?"
Of course not. This all begins in the home and then continues, not originates, in the schools.
These are just my honest views to a question posed to me.
Harley
How much of a role do you think the government plays in the creation of the welfare state where they incentivized fatherless
families?
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Harley, I'm about to hit the hay, but will make post tomorrow that will show you how to do it. You'll see it's all worth it and I'll be glad to answer any questions. It's just a few steps and you shouldn't need to convert those jpegs or resize anything. It should be very easy (fairly sure about the jpeg issue, but in the worst case the entire process is still only a few steps).
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Hey Guys,
I am here remotely with my Computer Guy and we are trying to figure out how to post pictures. Whenever we try to post images with a .jpeg extension, they are rejected. We get an error message saying that only pictures with jpg or gif extensions can be posted. How can we post .jpeg photos? Most of our photos are .jpeg.
The other problem we are having is that it says that a picture exceeds 500 kb. How do we get around that?
I really appreciate your help and my Computer Guy will read your instructions, fix it and then explain it to me in Idiot Simple terms so I myself can
begin to post better pictures.
Thanks so much.
Harley
.jpeg and .jpg are synonyms. Rename the file from "foo.jpeg" to "foo.jpg" and the brain-dead file extension matcher will post it.
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Harley,
Please weigh in with legal advice in the threads about the big steroid busts in AZ.
Thanks,
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Mr Breite, check out my message at page 24, thanks...
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Harley
You breiten my day!
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Mr Breite this is one of the best thread since i'm here, thanks a lot for the great and interesting stories, hope you're here to stay... Loved the part about your freaky cars, congrats, although i'm more into euro stuff, i have a M3 E46 currently, had the CSL for awhile, not mine, and other BMWs slightly tuned... Regarding bb, have you ever met Paul Dillett? Have you some interesting stories regarding the freaks of the 90s? Did you know some greats in boxing and MMA? Thanks in advance...
Dear Alucard,
Thanks so much and I am glad you like this thread. You have asked quite a few questions so here goes:
1) I am not as big a fan of the European cars as per their aesthetics. However, my friend had, back in the day, a 1997 M3 in a gorgeous pearl black with chrome Bugatti rims.
At that time, I was still in school so he used to lend it to me for first dates. Back then, I had a decent game so I didn't a second date. The car was one of my all time favorites on every single
level. I bought my Dad a 2004 Bentley Arnage Turbo as a surprise 70th Birthday present and although he passed away almost 2 years ago, I won't ever sell the car. If that is considered "Euro"
then I do own 1 Euro (maybe 2 if you consider Ferrari Euro).
2) I did meet Paul Dillett twice and he wasn't the friendliest guy. He didn't do anything wrong to me but he was far from congenial. He was one of the largest human beings I've ever seen.
I know you guys crush him, but when you think of a bodybuilder walking down the street in a tank top, not many guys have ever been so damn impressive. I know people who claim that he owes them
quite a bit of money.
3) As far as knowing "greats" in MMA, I've mentioned that I train under Royler Gracie and am his, as well as many in his family, attorney. I met Ken Shamrock when I worked the door of an all nude
strip club in 1992-1993 but I didn't know who he was at the time. He was HUGE, red as a tomato, snorting cocaine like he was breathing and just an intimidating guy. I once told Royce the story and he laughed and said that he too thought Shamrock could break a tree.
Harley
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I met Ken Shamrock when I worked the door of an all nude strip club in 1992-1993 but I didn't know who he was at the time.
He was HUGE, red as a tomato, snorting cocaine like he was breathing and just an intimidating guy.
I once told Royce the story and he laughed and said that he too thought Shamrock could break a tree.
Great story Harley! :D
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Harley,
Thanks for your response. I understand it is a culture issue. Where do you see this ending for black folks? I wonder how many killings they can have on the south side of Chicago before a stray bullet kills an innocent white person. Then what? Are we on the verge of a tipping point? Economically, what about gentrification? What will happen to them? Where will they go as the gap between them and us spreads wider (for whatever reason, responsibility, etc)? I'm seriously interested in this sort of thing. Thank you and law on!
Dear Saint Anger,
I don't see this as a "Black" issue. It's about a culture promulgated by a lack of basic education, an unwillingness to commit to high school and babies having babies. There are thousands
of white communities stuck in their own social mire as well.
I don't see it ending until the economy crashes into a true depression and their "idols" are reduced to penniless paupers who have never had any idea of money management to begin with.
There will need to be what I refer to as a "Reverence for Scholarship" and the realization that having a baby does not make you an adult.
I don't see a race war or those kinds of events as realistic. This country has become a welfare state and even the rich are too liberal to take such a tough stance.
One thing that has to be created is the belief, through action, that the poor and disenfranchised can NOT prey upon those who "have." I believe home defense will become a very big
and lucrative topic for small industries as those who "have" will need to take more serious steps to protect what they have when those who don't "have" attempt to take it from them. And if you
wait for the police to come and save you, you are already dead.
Harley
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fantastic insights and stories Harley
thanks for sharing these!
but really it comes as no surprise that Dexter would not help Craig, generally speaking I would say that 99 % of pros would probably have done the same as Dexter- they are a selfish bunch
Dear Old School Lifter,
To that, I would respond, "Do what is right and not necessarily the rest of the world does."
Harley
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Dear Harley,
What do you think the meaning of life is?
Dear SF1900,
I am no one who could answer that with any authority but in my opinion, Peace of Mind without hurting others is true happiness.
What is it that lifts your spirit? What is it that makes you smile when no one is around? What makes you feel proud to be yourself?
The answers need not be noble concepts. A bit of honest introspection leads us all to who we really are. Part of the problem is that true
introspection is incredibly difficult as it erodes the many layers of defense we have created to shield our egos from pain and embarrassment.
We may introspect and then not completely like what we find, conclude or even who we are. But no one could possibly completely like himself.
True introspection might help us better find the real path, the true road each of us as individuals must choose to find our own respective happiness.
Harley
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Harley, do you have any insights into the death of Rickson's son, Rockson, and also Renzo's brother, Ryan?
Rockson was no angel but Ryan, by all accounts, was just an evil cruel person? Even Ralph was a hot head. It's amazing how Renzo turned out to be such an exceptional, personable and charming human being.
Dear Pellius,
I once had a wonderful lunch at Renzo's home in NJ with a few other Gracies and we talked a great deal about the family's history, both good and bad.
One of my best friends and one of my Professors is a guy named Vitor Terra. I would definitely suggest watching his stuff on YouTube as he is 9-Time Rio Open
Champion and the top rated Black Belt at his weight class. He was the youngest Professor to ever run the Academy at Gracie Humaita before he left.
Vitor's wife is one of Renzo's sisters. We have talked a great deal.
Renzo's Dad, Robson (the 2nd son of Carlos) for some odd reason, has taken me in as a friend and confidant. He requests my presence for lunch every time I am in Rio. We have spent
quite some time together and all I do is get him to tell me of his life and the life of his family.
The word is that Ryan might have become the greatest Gracie fighter of all time. He was truly fearless and his street fighting is of legendary status. The police no doubt killed him
while he was in custody.
Rickson's son died too and that is a very sensitive situation. He was also a model in NYC I believe at the time of his "death" which I believe was also in police custody.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
I once had a wonderful lunch at Renzo's home in NJ with a few other Gracies and we talked a great deal about the family's history, both good and bad.
One of my best friends and one of my Professors is a guy named Vitor Terra. I would definitely suggest watching his stuff on YouTube as he is 9-Time Rio Open
Champion and the top rated Black Belt at his weight class. He was the youngest Professor to ever run the Academy at Gracie Humaita before he left.
Vitor's wife is one of Renzo's sisters. We have talked a great deal.
Renzo's Dad, Robson (the 2nd son of Carlos) for some odd reason, has taken me in as a friend and confidant. He requests my presence for lunch every time I am in Rio. We have spent
quite some time together and all I do is get him to tell me of his life and the life of his family.
The word is that Ryan might have become the greatest Gracie fighter of all time. He was truly fearless and his street fighting is of legendary status. The police no doubt killed him
while he was in custody.
Rickson's son died too and that is a very sensitive situation. He was also a model in NYC I believe at the time of his "death" which I believe was also in police custody.
Harley
Sir,
Why do Brazilians hate the letter H?
Thanks, Rarely.
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The word is that Ryan might have become the greatest Gracie fighter of all time. He was truly fearless and his street fighting is of legendary status. The police no doubt killed him
while he was in custody.
Dear Harley aka Your Breitness
Did they inject him with drugs in custody Harley?
The first report on the death of Ryan Gracie states that he died due to a combination of illegal drugs and prescription medication.
Two months after his body was found in a Sao Paulo jail cell, the "Fantastico" television program on Rede Globo in Brazil cited a toxicology report conducted by experts that indicated Gracie had consumed marijuana and cocaine.
He also had the following anti-anxiety medications in his system: Midazolam, Alprazolan, Prometazina, Clozapine and Haloperidol.
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Dear Kwon_2,
I give no credibility to a Brazilian "Autopsy Report" which is State controlled and completely aware of the public relations mess as the police
bring in the body and "convince" the Medical Examiner what he will find.
Ryan was no angel and he liked to surf and smoke pot but there are many many ways the police can kill you while in custody without injecting
anything into you. They can do what they want and then have an ME type out whatever he feels keeps his job.
Harley
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Dear Kwon_2,
I give no credibility to a Brazilian "Autopsy Report" which is State controlled and completely aware of the public relations mess as the police
bring in the body and "convince" the Medical Examiner what he will find.
Ryan was no angel and he liked to surf and smoke pot but there are many many ways the police can kill you while in custody without injecting
anything into you. They can do what they want and then have an ME type out whatever he feels keeps his job.
Harley
I fully understand.
And are you 100 % convinced that such was the case?
If so, why?
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I can't be convinced 100% as I don't have access to all the files but I have enough experience in Brasil, dealing with Brazilians,
attempting to get things done in Brasil and with the Gracies to fully distrust the police and government.
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I can't be convinced 100% as I don't have access to all the files but I have enough experience in Brasil, dealing with Brazilians,
attempting to get things done in Brasil and with the Gracies to fully distrust the police and government.
And judging by how Ryan was and acted in the end, you assume that something he said/did in custody must have angered the police to that degree that they killed him.
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Dear Captain Freedom,
Thank you for remembering that I am anticipating bringing home a new dog.
The puppy should've been born this week already. I haven't called as I am awaiting to hear the good news of a healthy birth.
I very much appreciate all your wisdom and advice you offered and I really do continue to think about what you said.
Just the other day, some guy came through the front door of a home in my town and attempted to sexually assault a 15 year old boy.
Home invasions are something I have first hand experience with as a victim and they are REAL.
A giant pitbull (or as you note, cross breed) stops the notion of Home Break In and if it doesn't, it brings it to a very justified and
violent end. No one survives breaking into my home, whether it's my 23 guns, rifles and shotguns, 19,000 rounds of ammunition or
a Giant Pitbull.
I would rather by tried by 12 than carried by 6 and I am not going to the funeral of my Mom at the hands of some guy breaking in trying to
support his pill habit. I am no tough guy but I will protect my home and family just like you guys would. No difference.
Harley
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And judging by how Ryan was and acted in the end, you assume that something he said/did in custody must have angered the police to that degree that they killed him.
Ryan had personally beaten up several cops at different times when they tried to break up his street fights. The cops were known to go out looking for him.
That is undisputed.
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Cops like to bait people into getting angry, so they (cops) will have an apparently legit reason to react.
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Hi Harley,
Question: Why the pitbull over a breed like the Rottweiler or Bullmastiff?
Reason for question: Don't need any type of large guard dogs, but curious as for justification to own a pitbull over other breeds.
Thank you,
"1"
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Ryan had personally beaten up several cops at different times when they tried to break up his street fights. The cops were known to go out looking for him.
That is undisputed.
Dear Harley, The star that shines so breite.
That was most assumedly the case then.
Do you know anything about why Kron never got the attention Rockson got from their dad?
How are things with Kron now?
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Harley - When you have a few seconds to spare, please upload one of those too-large jpeg files online (postimage.org is one, or you can look on google for 'upload image' and pick any site you want). It will work just the same as what you do here ('browse', choose file, 'upload').
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By doing that, you will be able to display image here.
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Harley, other option is to alter the pics. Let me know if you'd rather do that.
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Dear Alucard,
Thanks so much and I am glad you like this thread. You have asked quite a few questions so here goes:
1) I am not as big a fan of the European cars as per their aesthetics. However, my friend had, back in the day, a 1997 M3 in a gorgeous pearl black with chrome Bugatti rims.
At that time, I was still in school so he used to lend it to me for first dates. Back then, I had a decent game so I didn't a second date. The car was one of my all time favorites on every single
level. I bought my Dad a 2004 Bentley Arnage Turbo as a surprise 70th Birthday present and although he passed away almost 2 years ago, I won't ever sell the car. If that is considered "Euro"
then I do own 1 Euro (maybe 2 if you consider Ferrari Euro).
2) I did meet Paul Dillett twice and he wasn't the friendliest guy. He didn't do anything wrong to me but he was far from congenial. He was one of the largest human beings I've ever seen.
I know you guys crush him, but when you think of a bodybuilder walking down the street in a tank top, not many guys have ever been so damn impressive. I know people who claim that he owes them
quite a bit of money.
3) As far as knowing "greats" in MMA, I've mentioned that I train under Royler Gracie and am his, as well as many in his family, attorney. I met Ken Shamrock when I worked the door of an all nude
strip club in 1992-1993 but I didn't know who he was at the time. He was HUGE, red as a tomato, snorting cocaine like he was breathing and just an intimidating guy. I once told Royce the story and he laughed and said that he too thought Shamrock could break a tree.
Harley
Thanks a lot for your time and response... I think all in all, both the E46 and the earlier M3 version are some of the best cars ever made... I love muscle cars too obviously, i always had a thing for the Ford Falcon used to made Mad Max... Actually Paul Dillett is my favorite bodybuilder of all time, freakiest genetic ever, perfect structure, muscle bellies and tall... I know he owed money to people, didn't pay when he changed locations, but i'm sure today he's pretty wealthy being WBFF's ceo and president... He wisely made a career outside bodybuilding, and stopped everything in time... Ken Shamrock, i remember his pancrase days, guy was thick and huge like a bodybuilder, intimidating figure for sure... I see that you're a firearms enthusiast, i have handguns and rifles, currently i'm in long range shooting, have some customs too...
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[quote author=HarleyBreite link=topic=578368.
I would rather by tried by 12 than carried by 6 and I am not going to the funeral of my Mom at the hands of some guy breaking in trying to
support his pill habit
Harley
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fantastic line there Harley
this thread is gold, pure gold!
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Harley
you mentioned you worked the door @ all nude strip club in NJ?
this must've been an experience and a half.
did you ever have any run in's with the Mafia during your work there?
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Harley
there is a lot of conjecture and doubts about the dosages of steroids pros use.
having been in the iron game for over 20 years and trained in hardcore gyms like Diamond and known and associated with many pros I hypothesize that you would have much knowledge on the topic.
can you verify that the the average testosterone dose MOST pros use per week would run between 3-5 grams?
this is not including other steroids, just some form of testo.
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Hi Harley,
Question: Why the pitbull over a breed like the Rottweiler or Bullmastiff?
Reason for question: Don't need any type of large guard dogs, but curious as for justification to own a pitbull over other breeds.
Thank you,
"1"
Dear OneMoreRep,
My proclivity towards pitbulls stems from a multitude of reasons:
1) They truly are wonderful dogs with PEOPLE. Some fail to realize that when the breed would fight, there would be 3 persons in the pit itself, right
along side the 2 dogs fighting to the death. Both owners and the referee were in the pit next to the dogs yet never attacked. Pitbulls are not genetically
engineered to attack persons. Now, they are NOT good with other DOGS. I have never brought any of my previous 3 pitbulls to a dog park or even around
other dogs walking down the street. Pitbulls are notoriously good with children, even allowing infants to pull on their eyes and poke at them without ever
retaliating. We've had at least 1 United States President keep a pitbull in the White House.
2) The breed has been branded with a brutally unfair reputation due to the breeding and parenting habits of ill-motivated persons and drug dealers.
3) There is NO better specific deterrent in the ghetto than a live pitbull. I've commented before about people in the ghetto willing to shoot one another
without any reservations but walk your pitbull in the ghetto and no one will shoot you. I've collected large sums of cash from alleged drug dealers in broad
daylight with my pitbull at my side and easily walked away while 12 guys just watched.
4) They are good looking, strong and masculine. I like to think that a dog takes after its owner. LOL
Harley
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Ryan had personally beaten up several cops at different times when they tried to break up his street fights. The cops were known to go out looking for him.
That is undisputed.
Dear Harley, The star that shines so breite.
That was most assumedly the case then.
Do you know anything about why Kron never got the attention Rockson got from their dad?
How are things with Kron and Rickson now?
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Dear Harley, The star that shines so breite.
That was most assumedly the case then.
Do you know anything about why Kron never got the attention Rockson got from their dad?
How are things with Kron and Rickson now?
Dear Kwon_2,
As I had written to Pellius before, after my interaction with Rickson, I am not a big fan. I also took issue with him after he read a long note I wrote in Portuguese to
Royler asking to set up a private lesson for me with Rickson or even Kron. I copied both Rickson and Kron and wrote it in Portuguese so that there could not be
any misunderstanding. Neither one responded. Well, if the great Rickson and soon to be great Kron can't muster up the good manners to respond to an email sent from both
Rickson's brother and a dear friend (and attorney) to the family, well honestly, fuck them both. There are other qualities in other persons just as admirable as being able to beat
up guys.
Rickson is busy promoting Kron's MMA career. Kron fought (maybe a year ago) in Japan. He quickly disposed of his opponent and then was blasted for fighting weak competition.
Being the son of Rickson is going to result in a great deal of unfair criticism and comparison.
I did see Kron and Rolker have a big issue at a Gracie Humaita Christmas Party in Rio which I regularly attended even though I am not Brazilian.
Harley
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Dear Kwon_2,
As I had written to Pellius before, after my interaction with Rickson, I am not a big fan. I also took issue with him after he read a long note I wrote in Portuguese to
Royler asking to set up a private lesson for me with Rickson or even Kron. I copied both Rickson and Kron and wrote it in Portuguese so that there could not be
any misunderstanding. Neither one responded. Well, if the great Rickson and soon to be great Kron can't muster up the good manners to respond to an email sent from both
Rickson's brother and a dear friend (and attorney) to the family, well honestly, fuck them both. There are other qualities in other persons just as admirable as being able to beat
up guys.
Rickson is busy promoting Kron's MMA career. Kron fought (maybe a year ago) in Japan. He quickly disposed of his opponent and then was blasted for fighting weak competition.
Being the son of Rickson is going to result in a great deal of unfair criticism and comparison.
I did see Kron and Rolker have a big issue at a Gracie Humaita Christmas Party in Rio which I regularly attended even though I am not Brazilian.
Harley
Gotcha, seems like bad manners of peace from both of them.
Looks like Kron has taken over Rocksons mantle now then. I didnt think he'd get any support at all.
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Dear OneMoreRep,
My proclivity towards pitbulls stems from a multitude of reasons:
1) They truly are wonderful dogs with PEOPLE. Some fail to realize that when the breed would fight, there would be 3 persons in the pit itself, right
along side the 2 dogs fighting to the death. Both owners and the referee were in the pit next to the dogs yet never attacked. Pitbulls are not genetically
engineered to attack persons. Now, they are NOT good with other DOGS. I have never brought any of my previous 3 pitbulls to a dog park or even around
other dogs walking down the street. Pitbulls are notoriously good with children, even allowing infants to pull on their eyes and poke at them without ever
retaliating. We've had at least 1 United States President keep a pitbull in the White House.
2) The breed has been branded with a brutally unfair reputation due to the breeding and parenting habits of ill-motivated persons and drug dealers.
3) There is NO better specific deterrent in the ghetto than a live pitbull. I've commented before about people in the ghetto willing to shoot one another
without any reservations but walk your pitbull in the ghetto and no one will shoot you. I've collected large sums of cash from alleged drug dealers in broad
daylight with my pitbull at my side and easily walked away while 12 guys just watched.
4) They are good looking, strong and masculine. I like to think that a dog takes after its owner. LOL
Harley
8)
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Harley
you mentioned you worked the door @ all nude strip club in NJ?
this must've been an experience and a half.
did you ever have any run in's with the Mafia during your work there?
I worked at a place called Hurrah's in Paterson as my first Karate Instructor was 1 of the 3 owners. It was, at that time, the hottest place in NJ.
It was private membership to get in and had over a few thousand members. It was all nude and bring your own booze.
Most people who ask me about those times never ask about the Mob. Interesting question.
In my opinion, by 1992, the Mob was seriously over exaggerated unless you were Martin Scorcesse and prepared to make stupid ridiculous films with all the
same sycophantic actors playing the same characters. Pardon my bias, but I came very close to actually beating up Robert DeNiro in Italy in 2010. His "people stopped it.
He and I hate each other but that is whole other story.
The Mob by that time was on its way to total collapse in part due to the behavior of John Gotti and Rudy Guilliani.
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Now you have a crush on Harley because he likes pitbulls.
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Haha, almost beat up Dorian and Deniro.
Do tell...
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Dear OneMoreRep,
My proclivity towards pitbulls stems from a multitude of reasons:
1) They truly are wonderful dogs with PEOPLE. Some fail to realize that when the breed would fight, there would be 3 persons in the pit itself, right
along side the 2 dogs fighting to the death. Both owners and the referee were in the pit next to the dogs yet never attacked. Pitbulls are not genetically
engineered to attack persons. Now, they are NOT good with other DOGS. I have never brought any of my previous 3 pitbulls to a dog park or even around
other dogs walking down the street. Pitbulls are notoriously good with children, even allowing infants to pull on their eyes and poke at them without ever
retaliating. We've had at least 1 United States President keep a pitbull in the White House.
2) The breed has been branded with a brutally unfair reputation due to the breeding and parenting habits of ill-motivated persons and drug dealers.
3) There is NO better specific deterrent in the ghetto than a live pitbull. I've commented before about people in the ghetto willing to shoot one another
without any reservations but walk your pitbull in the ghetto and no one will shoot you. I've collected large sums of cash from alleged drug dealers in broad
daylight with my pitbull at my side and easily walked away while 12 guys just watched.
4) They are good looking, strong and masculine. I like to think that a dog takes after its owner. LOL
Harley
The problem with pitbulls is that if they do bite they tend to do a massive amount of damage, most other dogs that bite tend to just bite out of fear and then let go and cease the attack.
Pitbulls on the other hand dont stop.
Pitbulls should NEVER be left alone with a child in ANY circumstances regardless of how well behaved you think the dog is.
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Pardon my bias, but I came very close to actually beating up Robert DeNiro in Italy in 2010. His "people stopped it.
He and I hate each other but that is whole other story.
Dear Harley
This is a story that needs to be told.
Why was there animosity between you and DeNiro?
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Haha, almost beat up Dorian and Deniro.
Do tell...
Hey Coffeed,
I'm not really sure I like your tone.
My issue with Dorian is old news and can be verified by several other people. We're over it.
If I wanted to come on this site and talk like some idiot tough guy, I would've immediately mentioned my issue
with DeNiro but I don't think situations like that are matters of which to brag or be proud of.
Why do you have such initial doubt? Does me making up a story about DeNiro elevate me to Tough Guy status?
From all that I have going on in my life (meaning that I am a bit busy) does it really sound as if I need to come on a site,
make up a juvenile story about almost fighting someone famous to feel good about myself?
He's Robert DeNiro, he's not Jesus incarnate. Just because people like his movies that doesn't mean he is, in real life, that guy whom
he portrays (over and over again in every film).
I don't think walking around acting like a tough guy or being a bully is kool and if I wanted to sound like a tough guy, then I would
be a bigger jerk than all those jerks to whom my scorn is directed because, I should know better.
Once you have fought in a cage or on a mat against someone who has trained for that particular fight, you quickly realize that you
yourself are no tough guy and that anybody can get knocked out, hurt or worse in any sort of physical confrontation.
The DeNiro "issue" came up as a side in an answer to an unrelated question just because it reminded me of the situation.
Don't worry about it, I am no tough guy but if you want to audit me on something, DeNiro was in Rome in Sept/October of 2010 receiving
some award and filming a small movie. You are an internet genius, go audit that.
Harley
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Hey Coffeed,
I'm not really sure I like your tone.
My issue with Dorian is old news and can be verified by several other people. We're over it.
If I wanted to come on this site and talk like some idiot tough guy, I would've immediately mentioned my issue
with DeNiro but I don't think situations like that are matters of which to brag or be proud of.
Why do you have such initial doubt? Does me making up a story about DeNiro elevate me to Tough Guy status?
From all that I have going on in my life (meaning that I am a bit busy) does it really sound as if I need to come on a site,
make up a juvenile story about almost fighting someone famous to feel good about myself?
He's Robert DeNiro, he's not Jesus incarnate. Just because people like his movies that doesn't mean he is, in real life, that guy whom
he portrays (over and over again in every film).
I don't think walking around acting like a tough guy or being a bully is kool and if I wanted to sound like a tough guy, then I would
be a bigger jerk than all those jerks to whom my scorn is directed because, I should know better.
Once you have fought in a cage or on a mat against someone who has trained for that particular fight, you quickly realize that you
yourself are no tough guy and that anybody can get knocked out, hurt or worse in any sort of physical confrontation.
The DeNiro "issue" came up as a side in an answer to an unrelated question just because it reminded me of the situation.
Don't worry about it, I am no tough guy but if you want to audit me on something, DeNiro was in Rome in Sept/October of 2010 receiving
some award and filming a small movie. You are an internet genius, go audit that.
Harley
Harley I am not sure his question was designed to insult you, I may be wrong but it didn't apear that way to me. I can only imagine what DeNiro did to upset you if you are still annoyed by it to this day...he has put in some fantastic performances but I bet his ego is hugely over inflated and he probably thinks he can get away with anything. Did he make a disrespectful remark to you or your wife? I wonder if he has still got some stand up striking skills left over from his days training to be a boxer (parlayed into his depiction of Jake LaMotta in Raging Bull) or if you would have choked him unconscious in seconds. How did you see the fight unfolding in your head? Be interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
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Perhaps I replied too fast before confirming the tone of Coffeed.
I had awoken after just 2 hours of sleep and was perhaps a bit too quick to draw such a negative inference.
If that is true, than I shall publicly apologize to Coffeed with all sincerity.
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Harley,
You'll have to excuse the membership. We are used to putting up with braggart liar fantasists like "Uncle Junior" (look at any one of his posts) and we have a hair-trigger on this kind of stuff. That is not to say that we disbelieve you, it's just that as a collective, we tend to be more wary than other groups.
To be clear, none of us have reason to doubt anything you say, other than having to endure years of Uncle Junior foisted on us by inexplicable mod/management decisions to allow him to continue to fill pages of purple-fonted bullshit.
_aj_
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Dear AJ,
I always appreciate when you guys educate me on the ways of GetBig as I am prone to make mistakes
in judgment as I sometimes am unsure how to interpret some of the comments. I did have a bad experience years
ago when I first tried to come on and I left with a bad memory.
I am thrilled that you guys have been so nice and like I have always said, please audit everything I can with all of your
computer and internet skills. I am no one special and am not important but I've been lucky to have had a myriad of wonderful
life experiences and also spent a great deal of time attempting to learn and asking many questions.
I am sure someone can find out why DeNiro was in Rome at that time. It is well known he is a hound for black women and although
I don't wish to talk about my wife, I have already mentioned she is both Black and Brazilian and she is fluent in Italian as she lived in
Rome for 8 years which was all of interest to DeNiro.
I have no qualms apologizing for my behavior if it was indeed, unwarranted.
Harley
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Hey Coffeed,
I'm not really sure I like your tone.
My issue with Dorian is old news and can be verified by several other people. We're over it.
If I wanted to come on this site and talk like some idiot tough guy, I would've immediately mentioned my issue
with DeNiro but I don't think situations like that are matters of which to brag or be proud of.
Why do you have such initial doubt? Does me making up a story about DeNiro elevate me to Tough Guy status?
From all that I have going on in my life (meaning that I am a bit busy) does it really sound as if I need to come on a site,
make up a juvenile story about almost fighting someone famous to feel good about myself?
He's Robert DeNiro, he's not Jesus incarnate. Just because people like his movies that doesn't mean he is, in real life, that guy whom
he portrays (over and over again in every film).
I don't think walking around acting like a tough guy or being a bully is kool and if I wanted to sound like a tough guy, then I would
be a bigger jerk than all those jerks to whom my scorn is directed because, I should know better.
Once you have fought in a cage or on a mat against someone who has trained for that particular fight, you quickly realize that you
yourself are no tough guy and that anybody can get knocked out, hurt or worse in any sort of physical confrontation.
The DeNiro "issue" came up as a side in an answer to an unrelated question just because it reminded me of the situation.
Don't worry about it, I am no tough guy but if you want to audit me on something, DeNiro was in Rome in Sept/October of 2010 receiving
some award and filming a small movie. You are an internet genius, go audit that.
Harley
Must have been something prior that influenced your state of mind... because I was genuine in asking! You seem like a stand up person with some very unique experiences.
I know your Dorian story as well. It's famous 'round here and I have no reason to doubt it.
Also, I wrote you a PM the other day.
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Now you have a crush on Harley because he likes pitbulls.
No, now I have a crush on Harley cause he's just like you, except he has long hair, is taller, looks like he lifts, gets laid, drives fast cars, shoots guns, likes pitbulls...
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I am sure someone can find out why DeNiro was in Rome at that time. It is well known he is a hound for black women and although
I don't wish to talk about my wife, I have already mentioned she is both Black and Brazilian and she is fluent in Italian as she lived in
Rome for 8 years which was all of interest to DeNiro.
So one may assume he went after her a bit too much, which is where you stepped in.
That's where the animosity began.
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Must have been something prior that influenced your state of mind... because I was genuine in asking! You seem like a stand up person with some very unique experiences.
I know your Dorian story as well. It's famous 'round here and I have no reason to doubt it.
Also, I wrote you a PM the other day.
Dear Coffeed,
I wish you to accept my most sincere apology for my rude and inappropriate behavior. My response was not warranted and certainly
undeserved.
My mistake has taught me to pause just a bit longer before I respond as tones, intonations and intents are sometimes not what they
appear to be when left only in the written form.
I shall continue to make mistakes my entire life but now hope that this one leads only to your acceptance of my genuine apology.
Sincerely,
Harley
offend
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OK OK. Earlier I declared that this appreciation thread had exceeded the limit of appreciation. It now appears we are all ODing on motherfucking appreciation. The next person to post in this thread will be beaten and sodomized.
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OK OK. Earlier I declared that this appreciation thread had exceeded the limit of appreciation. It now appears we are all ODing on motherfucking appreciation. The next person to post in this thread will be beaten and sodomized.
We can skip the beating of you're ok with that.
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OK OK. Earlier I declared that this appreciation thread had exceeded the limit of appreciation. It now appears we are all ODing on motherfucking appreciation. The next person to post in this thread will be beaten and sodomized.
Where's Tbombz when you need him?
Harley, are you a practicing Jew? If so, Orthodox, Conservative, or Reformed?
Be gentle with me, Tommy. Well, just in the beginning. Then you can go rough. I still fantasize about that brutal neck back in the day when you were at Gold's in the early 1990s.
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We can skip the beating of you're ok with that.
:D Thank you sir. I was hoping for such a response.
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We can skip the beating of you're ok with that.
Shit! How did you get ahead of me? It was clear when I started my post. Abusing mod privileges again.
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Where's Tbombz when you need him?
Oh man, I remember that guy. He very much didn't like me although I never said anything about what appeared to be his unabashed
willingness to post nauseatingly homosexual pictures of himself. I hope I am not compared to him.
Harley, are you a practicing Jew? If so, Orthodox, Conservative, or Reformed?
For me, Judaism is an ethnicity. Many people have difficulty understanding that Judaism is both, an ethnicity (there existed an original blood line) and a religion.
The religious part I have virtually no use for. I am an atheist. However, I don't condone anti Semitism or any hatred of religion, race or color (extremists on all parts
are of course excluded)
Be gentle with me, Tommy. Well, just in the beginning. Then you can go rough. I still fantasize about that brutal neck back in the day when you were at Gold's in the early 1990s.
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Haha, almost beat up Dorian and Deniro.
Do tell...
;D
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I am sure you guys are already all over this, but it appears that Kai Greene has finalized a deal with Blackstone to produce and market
his own brand of supplements. Again, not saying this is a scoop, but I have good reason to believe the deal is already done.
Also, "people" are very angry with Kai as he has not yet signed his Olympia contract. The IFBB pays a competitor's flight and short hotel stay at the
ever exclusive Orleans Hotel.
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I am sure you guys are already all over this, but it appears that Kai Greene has finalized a deal with Blackstone to produce and market
his own brand of supplements.
His own signature series ?
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I am sure you guys are already all over this, but it appears that Kai Greene has finalized a deal with Blackstone to produce and market
his own brand of supplements. Again, not saying this is a scoop, but I have good reason to believe the deal is already done.
Also, "people" are very angry with Kai as he has not yet signed his Olympia contract. The IFBB pays a competitor's flight and short hotel stay at the
ever exclusive Orleans Hotel.
I'm sorry Harley but Kai is not signing any deal with Blackstone/Prime Nutrition. Aaron's only involvement in the project is consulting and that's pretty much it from what he told me.
Its possible that there may be an agreement in the future but the new Blackstone/Prime Nutrition Facility is still under construction
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VinceG vs HarleyB.....one man, one poofster enter....who will walk out victorious???
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VinceG vs HarleyB.....one man, one poofster enter....who will walk out victorious???
The REAL hebrew (Your Breitness) will of course emerge victorious!
He is everything MC Beepollen aka The Bitcoin Sultan, ever wanted to be.
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Dear Vince,
Your status here on GetBig is legendary and your cutting edge news reporting is far superior than mine.
It is odd though, that Kai would take a flight to Florida so close to competing in the Olympia after he left MHP (where he made several hundred thousand per year)
and just "consulted" with them. He also hasn't signed his Olympia contract which also creates speculation and perhaps in Kai's mind gives him so leverage although
no rational "Advisor" would permit him to pass on the Olympia. Nor do I think Kai wants to pass on the contest as contest dieting is not for fun.
Kai need only to read the walls of history to see where "High In Demand" athletes end up once their performance days are over.
In my opinion, IF Kai ends up having a "fall", it will be much more devastating and farther than the fall just waiting to catch Victor Martinez.
These are only my opinions.
Harley
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Clash of the Titans.
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Dear Coffeed,
I wish you to accept my most sincere apology for my rude and inappropriate behavior. My response was not warranted and certainly
undeserved.
My mistake has taught me to pause just a bit longer before I respond as tones, intonations and intents are sometimes not what they
appear to be when left only in the written form.
I shall continue to make mistakes my entire life but now hope that this one leads only to your acceptance of my genuine apology.
Sincerely,
Harley
offend
No problem.
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No problem.
Man up and tell him to fuck off and never speak to you disrespectfully like that again, you spineless twat. "Coffeed" hahaa oh brother, sounds like that kind of guy that drinks his frizzy latte covered in whip cream with his pinkie in the air. ::)
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Man up and tell him to fuck off and never speak to you disrespectfully like that again, you spineless twat. "Coffeed" hahaa oh brother, sounds like that kind of guy that drinks his frizzy latte covered in whip cream with his pinkie in the air. ::)
Coming from the guy that ordered a double latte with a shot of espresso, whip cream, and drizzled with caramel sauce, when we went to get coffee together. ::) ::)
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Coming from the guy that ordered a double latte with a shot of espresso, whip cream, and drizzled with caramel sauce, when we went to get coffee together. ::) ::)
Very homoerotic fantasy you have there.
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Very homoerotic fantasy you have there.
What's wrong with drizzling caramel sauce on top of whip cream?
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I appreciate Coffeed being the bigger man.
Craig mocks me all the time because I would kill for a Coffee or Orange Coolatta right now.
I try to remind Craig that you only need to look kool when trying to get laid, not when you are drinking sugar juice from heaven.
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I appreciate Coffeed being the bigger man.
Craig mocks me all the time because I would kill for a Coffee or Orange Coolatta right now.
I try to remind Craig that you only need to look kool when trying to get laid, not when you are drinking sugar juice from heaven.
Harley,
Id love to get a latte with you and Craig some day.
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Why not just come train with us one day and then we can go out to eat and talk bodybuilding.
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We've taken quite the fagtacular turn here.
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Craig and I today discussed the Over/Under of the number of GetBiggers who will come up and introduce themselves as such during the Olympia weekend.
He said "1".
I have more faith in GetBig than that.
I said "2".
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We've taken quite the fagtacular turn here.
"Training" does not equal "Sex".
Trust me, I once trained Davana Medina (at her request) and NO, we did NOT have sex. Just friends.
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Dear Vince,
Your status here on GetBig is legendary and your cutting edge news reporting is far superior than mine.
It is odd though, that Kai would take a flight to Florida so close to competing in the Olympia after he left MHP (where he made several hundred thousand per year)
and just "consulted" with them. He also hasn't signed his Olympia contract which also creates speculation and perhaps in Kai's mind gives him so leverage although
no rational "Advisor" would permit him to pass on the Olympia. Nor do I think Kai wants to pass on the contest as contest dieting is not for fun.
Kai need only to read the walls of history to see where "High In Demand" athletes end up once their performance days are over.
In my opinion, IF Kai ends up having a "fall", it will be much more devastating and farther than the fall just waiting to catch Victor Martinez.
These are only my opinions.
Harley
Kai will complete in the Olympia as he's already prepping for the show. I would doubt if the promoters would keep him out of it...contract or not as it would be devastating to revenue and piss off a lot of people.
I think Kai is looking to make 7 figures now instead of just 6 figures which is why he's consulting with Aaron who has done just that. Just speculation on what I know and what I've been told.
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Ah, perfect timing.
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Dear Vince G,
I don't believe Kai will receive any salaried contract for 7 figures for a number of reasons which are not very
flattering to Kai.
Harley
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Why not just come train with us one day and then we can go out to eat and talk bodybuilding.
Ill come and train with you guys, but I dont want to train under a seminar or anything like that. I can just come and train.
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That's fine.
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That's fine.
Harley , be careful with SF1900 bro .
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Dear Vince G,
I don't believe Kai will receive any salaried contract for 7 figures for a number of reasons which are not very
flattering to Kai.
Harley
Kai isn't looking for a contract. He's creating his own supplement company like Ronnie Coleman did. He went to Boca Raton to consult with Aaron. He may produce the products but ultimately, its up to Kai to decide who produces his products.
He wants to be the owner and president rather than be just the athlete. Its a huge risk but worth it.
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Harley
Would u and Craig ever come out to ct to train with me at powerhouse gym new haven?? I'd put u guys up in a hotel?
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Harley , be careful with SF1900 bro .
Harley, do not listen to Che. He is trolling, i.e., being an asshole.
:D :D
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That's fine.
Harley,
Where in NJ do you and Craig train?
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Kai isn't looking for a contract. He's creating his own supplement company like Ronnie Coleman did. He went to Boca Raton to consult with Aaron. He may produce the products but ultimately, its up to Kai to decide who produces his products.
He wants to be the owner and president rather than be just the athlete. Its a huge risk but worth it.
Dear Vince,
If I were Kai's Advisor, and I am not saying I am qualified to be, however, I respectfully disagree with you and that it is not worth it for Kai.
Harley
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Harley , be careful with SF1900 bro .
Dear Che,
I appreciate that and I do exercise caution with any stranger I meet, including when I do a consult for a prospective client.
I don't think SF1900 is going to cause Craig and I any harm in public gym (Get Fit, in Fairfield or at Longhorn in Parsippany where would eat afterwards).
Harley
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Harley
Would u and Craig ever come out to ct to train with me at powerhouse gym new haven?? I'd put u guys up in a hotel?
Thank you for the invite but we probably wouldn't stay over night. How far is New Haven from my office in Paterson, NJ and if it's
not too far, perhaps we would consider coming up there for a workout.
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Thank you for the invite but we probably wouldn't stay over night. How far is New Haven from my office in Paterson, NJ and if it's
not too far, perhaps we would consider coming up there for a workout.
i don't think it's far
Great gym and we could have lunch after
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Dear Vince,
If I were Kai's Advisor, and I am not saying I am qualified to be, however, I respectfully disagree with you and that it is not worth it for Kai.
Harley
Harley, Esq., Why is it not worth it for Kai to take the risk and invest in himself and his future? Why shouldn't he take control of his own destiny?
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Dear Che,
I appreciate that and I do exercise caution with any stranger I meet, including when I do a consult for a prospective client.
I don't think SF1900 is going to cause Craig and I any harm in public gym (Get Fit, in Fairfield or at Longhorn in Parsippany where would eat afterwards).
Harley
Harley, I am only about 35 miles from Fairfield, NJ. I can get there in about 45 minutes. :D :D
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Dear Che,
I appreciate that and I do exercise caution with any stranger I meet, including when I do a consult for a prospective client.
I don't think SF1900 is going to cause Craig and I any harm in public gym (Get Fit, in Fairfield or at Longhorn in Parsippany where would eat afterwards).
Harley
Dear Harley
I just want to give you a heads up bro , SF likes to meet getbiggers in person , I heard a lot of bad things about him , I know Chaos has a restraining order against him, very creepy individual.
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Man up and tell him to fuck off and never speak to you disrespectfully like that again, you spineless twat. "Coffeed" hahaa oh brother, sounds like that kind of guy that drinks his frizzy latte covered in whip cream with his pinkie in the air. ::)
No
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Harley, Esq., Why is it not worth it for Kai to take the risk and invest in himself and his future? Why shouldn't he take control of his own destiny?
Dear SaintAnger,
I am all for people striving to find their own "Ubermensch" but to have your own product and make it successful requires a great many things that Kai
simply does not possess nor is willing to do.
You asked so here it is:
1) You have to genuinely like your fans.
2) You have to make appointments on time. The world, the real world and the people who have money to purchase for delivery your product, are NOT
going to wait 2 to 3 hours for someone to show up late to a meeting.
3) You can not shun traveling and meeting new persons. You must be willing to travel and meet new people and be friendly to them and appreciate their
status as your fans or potential business mates.
4) You should not continue to perform homo-erotic/S&M routines dressed in what can be perceived as a frightening, Devil image.
None of this makes for good business sense and if you think you can control everyone else and you don't work for anyone else, your are wrong!!!
I have my own business and I answer to more "bosses" than the guy in a cubicle. That is the business world and like it or not, there are some rules and
manners in which you must comport yourself IF AND ONLY IF you want to be successful.
Harley
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Dear Harley
I just want to give you a heads up bro , SF likes to meet getbiggers in person , I heard a lot of bad things about him , I know Chaos has a restraining order against him, very creepy individual.
haha, Ive only met 4:
Chaos
Coach
Natural Wonder
Skorpio
Chaos would never get a restraining order against me!
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haha, Ive only met 4:
Chaos
Coach
Natural Wonder
Skorpio
Chaos would never get a restraining order against me!
Chaos does the restraining himself.
;)
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Chaos does the restraining himself.
;)
Yes, I loved when he restrained me in his garage when we were alone.
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I have to state that Harley is the real deal and a stand up guy. The interaction I have had with him behind the scenes and off of GetBig has been 100% accurate with who he is and the things he states about himself.
He is an asset to the board and never bullshits or exaggerates.
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Harley
there is a lot of conjecture and doubts about the dosages of steroids pros use.
having been in the iron game for over 20 years and trained in hardcore gyms like Diamond and known and associated with many pros I hypothesize that you would have much knowledge on the topic.
can you verify that the the average testosterone dose MOST pros use per week would run between 3-5 grams?
this is not including other steroids, just some form of testo.
Harley
can you please comment on this if you are able to?
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Harley
can you please comment on this if you are able to?
I have posted what I have known for fact that some pros use.
Basically it all comes down to how well the person responds to the chemicals. Paul Baker used the least about of AAS that I know of. Fucking Kenny Jones - yes THAT Kenny Jones - used the most I have ever known. He was a chemical wasteland. Now there may be some other people out there that use more, but I can't say I am 100% certain that they do like I can for a few.
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Craig and I today discussed the Over/Under of the number of GetBiggers who will come up and introduce themselves as such during the Olympia weekend.
He said "1".
I have more faith in GetBig than that.
I said "2".
It's entirely possible that there are only 2 real people behind all of these accounts, so be prepared to be disappointed.
As much as I would probably enjoy going to the Olympia, I am not sure that I could weather the shame of admitting that I was going to see the Olympia. I would have to concoct another excuse less embarrassing for my presence in Vegas.
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Dear Vince,
If I were Kai's Advisor, and I am not saying I am qualified to be, however, I respectfully disagree with you and that it is not worth it for Kai.
Harley
There's really nothing to agree and disagree on, Harley. This is what Kai is doing already. He wants to have his own company like Ronnie, control the products that he makes, control where he goes, and control his own destiny. He could make a lot of money or he can lose his shirt on a venture like this but that's really his decision.
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There's really nothing to agree and disagree on, Harley. This is what Kai is doing already. He wants to have his own company like Ronnie, control the products that he makes, control where he goes, and control his own destiny. He could make a lot of money or he can lose his shirt on a venture like this but that's really his decision.
Dear Vince,
You wrote, "It's a huge risk but worth it." That can only mean you believe Kai will be successful in this new venture of self-ownership.
So there actually is a point on which one could agree or disagree. I disagree. That's all.
But let me be clear, I am hoping Kai is met with only the greatest of success and fortune. I don't root against people who haven't hurt others.
I do hope this new endeavor is everything he hopes it to be.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Would you mind telling me what "Bumping A Thread" means?
I don't want to commit a violation resulting in a permanent ban.
Harley
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There's really nothing to agree and disagree on, Harley.
I disagree.
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Hey Guys,
Would you mind telling me what "Bumping A Thread" means?
I don't want to commit a violation resulting in a permanent ban.
Harley
Harley,
Its when you go way back to threads that are years old and reply in them. Thus, bumping them back to the front page.
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I disagree.
A agree with your disagreement.
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Harley,
Its when you go way back to threads that are years old and reply in them. Thus, bumping them back to the front page.
Dear SF1900,
Unless the thread has pictures of really hot chicks (and again, you guys are the kings of finding those), I am not sure why people would want to do that.
That should be a fairly easy rule for me not to break.
I wonder why the owners of this site don't offer t-shirts for sale.
You guys are all pretty friendly, knowledgeable and funny. No shame in wearing this site's t-shirt.
I would've worn one for any of those BFTO videos.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
Unless the thread has pictures of really hot chicks (and again, you guys are the kings of finding those), I am not sure why people would want to do that.
That should be a fairly easy rule for me not to break.
I wonder why the owners of this site don't offer t-shirts for sale.
You guys are all pretty friendly, knowledgeable and funny. No shame in wearing this site's t-shirt.
I would've worn one for any of those BFTO videos.
Harley
Just imagine the possibilities for the t-shirts! Ron are you reading this?
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Harley,
Be honest. When you first started your practice, did you actively search for a Davidson to firm up?
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Harley,
Be honest. When you first started your practice, did you actively search for a Davidson to firm up?
No. I actually take my practice of law quite seriously although I am probably one of the least uptight and arrogant lawyers you will meet.
Never wanted to work for another lawyer. Not too fond of lawyers in general but I do have a small few friends who practice law. They are sort of
outsiders also so we seem to have a similar spirit.
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No. I actually take my practice of law quite seriously although I am probably one of the least uptight and arrogant lawyers you will meet.
Never wanted to work for another lawyer. Not too fond of lawyers in general but I do have a small few friends who practice law. They are sort of
outsiders also so we seem to have a similar spirit.
What could have been, though, right?
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Some of you noted the irony of my representing a Muslim fellow who attempted to deface the exact Jewish synagogue where I learned to read and write
Hebrew (Wiggs- I already concede I am not a real Hebrew but just let me write it that way for the sake of brevity) as a young boy.
Last night, I received a nasty phone message from an elderly Jewish man in Montreal who went on a tirade as to my character in choosing to represent the Muslim
fellow. Not only did the guy leave a long message, but he left me his phone number too, as if he wanted me to call him back and argue with him.
I understand his ire, but respectfully maintain my position, even in the past when the Neo-Nazi Party crucified me on their website for a very similar client (although that case
was far worse).
There is no clear line for some as to whom they should or could represent and I understand that.
But some people feel so strongly the need to convince others that they have adopted the wrong position that they go to calling and leaving nasty messages to those in other countries.
I felt sorry for the man's internal anguish but wish he didn't tie up my line like that. A GetBigger might have been calling with a real problem.
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What could have been, though, right?
I do own a motorcycle though.
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I do own a motorcycle though.
Yeah, but a Goldwing, right?
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Dear Vince,
You wrote, "It's a huge risk but worth it." That can only mean you believe Kai will be successful in this new venture of self-ownership.
So there actually is a point on which one could agree or disagree. I disagree. That's all.
But let me be clear, I am hoping Kai is met with only the greatest of success and fortune. I don't root against people who haven't hurt others.
I do hope this new endeavor is everything he hopes it to be.
Harley
Its worth it for Kai because right now he's considered the 2nd best bodybuilder in the world and that can't last long. I think he will be successful because he has a huge following. The time is now for Kai to either do something like this because his career will be ending pretty soon.
Now or never and he chose now.
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Yeah, but a Goldwing, right?
Sorry to disappoint you. I went a bit old-school and unpopular- 1984 Honda Nighthawk S
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Its worth it for Kai because right now he's considered the 2nd best bodybuilder in the world and that can't last long. I think he will be successful because he has a huge following. The time is now for Kai to either do something like this because his career will be ending pretty soon.
Now or never and he chose now.
There is still a point on which one could agree or disagree on.
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Sorry to disappoint you. I went a bit old-school and unpopular- 1984 Honda Nighthawk S
Oh, man.
C'mon, moneybags, put down for an old Heritage or something. You're better than this, friend. Respect your G-d dang name for Moses's sake!
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Dear SF1900,
Unless the thread has pictures of really hot chicks (and again, you guys are the kings of finding those), I am not sure why people would want to do that.
That should be a fairly easy rule for me not to break.
I wonder why the owners of this site don't offer t-shirts for sale.
You guys are all pretty friendly, knowledgeable and funny. No shame in wearing this site's t-shirt.
I would've worn one for any of those BFTO videos.
Harley
We have been trying to get Ron to make some getbig tshirts for years but he has not come through yet. I know I have a thread about it on the comments and suggestions board; there are likely others as well.
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Oh, man. C'mon, moneybags, put down for an old Heritage or something. You're better than this, friend. Respect your G-d dang name for Moses's sake!
I appreciate your passion for the Harley Davidson brand but I buy what I like, not what Madison Ave makes some people (not you) think they like or even need to be happy.
This was the bike I dreamed about owning when I was in High School and college. I started riding a motorcycle when I was 13 and drove it on the street as if it
were my car and I was 17. I used to ride a motorcycle, completely illegally to and from High School until I was old enough for a license. Back then, the cops would just
call a tow truck half the time and being a juvenile and a decent talker, they never pressed charges.
I use to cut last period Physics class with a friend and we would get on our bikes (we were legal by that time) and exit the school parking lot not caring about a thing. Bikes
can have that affect on you. We were 17 and the year was 194-1985 and my friend's dad converted a 1970 Honda into a chopper for him. That was before OCC and choppers
became corporate and customized 6 figure bragging tools.
I am a small guy and Harley Davidson bikes are quite big and just not the ones to which I am attracted. Just a matter of personal preference.
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I appreciate your passion for the Harley Davidson brand but I buy what I like, not what Madison Ave makes some people (not you) think they like or even need to be happy.
This was the bike I dreamed about owning when I was in High School and college. I started riding a motorcycle when I was 13 and drove it on the street as if it
were my car and I was 17. I used to ride a motorcycle, completely illegally to and from High School until I was old enough for a license. Back then, the cops would just
call a tow truck half the time and being a juvenile and a decent talker, they never pressed charges.
I use to cut last period Physics class with a friend and we would get on our bikes (we were legal by that time) and exit the school parking lot not caring about a thing. Bikes
can have that affect on you. We were 17 and the year was 194-1985 and my friend's dad converted a 1970 Honda into a chopper for him. That was before OCC and choppers
became corporate and customized 6 figure bragging tools.
I am a small guy and Harley Davidson bikes are quite big and just not the ones to which I am attracted. Just a matter of personal preference.
Just riding you, Harley.
(See it?)
Of course, whatever you enjoy. Put it in the wind. Btw, chops were cool long before OCC turned 'em into idiotic parade floats. Ask chaos.
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Those are awesome looking bikes. See, you guys are big enough to hold them up. I'm short with short legs. Which one is you?
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Those are awesome looking bikes. See, you guys are big enough to hold them up. I'm short with short legs. Which one is you?
You're not that small Harley.
5'9" isn't small.
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Those are awesome looking bikes. See, you guys are big enough to hold them up. I'm short with short legs. Which one is you?
Just some strangers with cool bikes.
(Left, it evolved.)
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I am only 5 foot 7 inches tall. I would love to own a low chopper with flake metallic paint, and a sissy bar off the back seat. Something truly 70's but not
corporate like Orange County Choppers. Damn, their bikes all looked similar to me, smelled of Madison Avenue and never seemed built "in-shop." All that success and for what?
To separate a father and son? I lost respect for all of them. Money over your own dad or son? Disgusting.
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I am only 5 foot 7 inches tall. I would love to own a low chopper with flake metallic paint, and a sissy bar off the back seat. Something truly 70's but not
corporate like Orange County Choppers. Damn, their bikes all looked similar to me, smelled of Madison Avenue and never seemed built "in-shop." All that success and for what?
To separate a father and son? I lost respect for all of them. Money over your own dad or son? Disgusting.
You'd sit perfect on one of Indian Larry's old chops, it's sort of what you're describing. NYC, too, but everyone's since gone outta business (and Larry outta life). Might still be able to track one down.
His stuff was cool as hell - no stretch or oversized forks. Real old school chop/bob kinda deal. Think Brad Pitt still rides his around L.A.
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Hey Guys,
Would you mind telling me what "Bumping A Thread" means?
I don't want to commit a violation resulting in a permanent ban.
Harley
Pretty much the rule being enforced currently is exposing other peoples personal info. That would result in a ban. Other than that, you'll get too many warnings before something is done about a violation.
BTW, you could pick up a sportster and a custom low slung seat frame for a reasonable price. If a 5' woman could ride one, I'm sure your 5'3" self could. 8)
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Pretty much the rule being enforced currently is exposing other peoples personal info. That would result in a ban. Other than that, you'll get too many warnings before something is done about a violation.
BTW, you could pick up a sportster and a custom low slung seat frame for a reasonable price. If a 5' woman could ride one, I'm sure your 5'3" self could. 8)
That was a whole 5'7" pal. LOL
I like the forks extended a bit and monkey grips are kool but probably unrealistic for me.
I like the way Ugly's handlebars are very bare
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You'd sit perfect on one of Indian Larry's old chops, it's sort of what you're describing. NYC, too, but everyone's since gone outta business (and Larry outta life). Might still be able to track one down.
His stuff was cool as hell - no stretch or oversized forks. Real old school chop/bob kinda deal. Think Brad Pitt still rides his around L.A.
i can't even see a throttle cable on the first pic???
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i can't even see a throttle cable on the first pic???
Internal.
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Sorry to disappoint you. I went a bit old-school and unpopular- 1984 Honda Nighthawk S
awesome bike!! I recently bought a 1974 Honda 750four. my uncle had one when I was a kid and I stared at it for hours when we would visit my grandmother.
Harley, we are probably similar age, judging by that bike being around when you were in high school. funny how once you are successful the things you wished for as a kid are still prominent; I've heard, lol.
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Internal.
cool
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That was a whole 5'7" pal. LOL
I like the forks extended a bit and monkey grips are kool but probably unrealistic for me.
I like the way Ugly's handlebars are very bare
Why unrealistic? You've obviously got connections in the custom car scene, surely one of those guys could point you in the direction of a custom bike shop. Absolutely no reason you can't get the bike you want.
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Why unrealistic? You've obviously got connections in the custom car scene, surely one of those guys could point you in the direction of a custom bike shop. Absolutely no reason you can't get the bike you want.
You should build it for him, CH!
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Harley:
I have no idea what state you are in. Are you able to represent people in a different country? Like, if/when I committed a crime in Saskatchewan, Canada, would you be able to come up here and represent me or are there limits and laws that apply?
thanks
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I meant unrealistic because my arms are so damn short. My reach is a big disadvantage of which I am constantly reminded every time
I get hit in the face and can't even touch my opponent. LOL
Ape bars are definitely kool in my eyes but not very comfortable for longer rides.
I do think as we get older we romanticize about the things we had as kids or even the things we wanted to have as kids.
I swear I had a purple Bruce Lee t-shirt when I was in the 5th grade and can't find it anywhere on Ebay but if I did, I would write a stupid check.
Same thing with a Walt Frazier poster from the 70's I can't find on Ebay. But when I do, I will be a most serious bidder. Another item that peaks my
interest are concert t shirts or 3/4 sleeve jerseys. I went to see everyone when I was younger and always bought a shirt. I've looked and sometimes they
make reproductions which are fine by me but they don't look like nor have the same image as the real one I remember. I've really seen some great concerts going far back
and the shirts from those shows still elude me. Well, maybe one day.
I have a whole category on my iPod entitled "Workout Music" and I like to hear it when I train MMA/BJJ.
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Harley:
I have no idea what state you are in. Are you able to represent people in a different country? Like, if/when I committed a crime in Saskatchewan, Canada, would you be able to come up here and represent me or are there limits and laws that apply?
thanks
Dear Potatank,
I have represented people from all over the U.S. without any issue. I don't know about other countries but I would imagine I could sit at Counsel Table as an Advisor to the Accused.
Sometimes lawyers hire me but run the whole case and just have me there just in case the matter does end up in a trial before a jury.
When I hired my Portuguese Professor, I told him my goal was to be able to learn Portuguese well enough to conduct a trial before a jury in Rio.
Harley
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Harley,
When is the last time you used the N-word and why?
Sincerely,
SA
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awesome bike!! I recently bought a 1974 Honda 750four. my uncle had one when I was a kid and I stared at it for hours when we would visit my grandmother.
Harley, we are probably similar age, judging by that bike being around when you were in high school. funny how once you are successful the things you wished for as a kid are still prominent; I've heard, lol.
Dear Hazbin,
I find your last point quite interesting. I think about that quite a bit.
As far as cars, I would today, without any hesitation, buy a 1970 Volvo 144 S if I could find one in great mechanical and running condition. I would paint it black and have gray
interior as that was the car I remember my Dad driving when I was a very young kid. I look and look for the car and my Builder, Jason Pratt thinks I am either nuts or just
pulling his leg.
Sometimes we look for things that evoke a certain feeling or mood within us solely because of our relationship with that item to our own past. That feeling is priceless.
Harley
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Sometimes we look for things that evoke a certain feeling or mood within us solely because of our relationship with that item to our own past. That feeling is priceless.
Harley
Beautifully stated...
Sometimes I go out for a nice jog around NYC (mostly Tribeca, Meat packing district, Hell's Kitchen or the South Street Seaport) around 4-5am in the morning and listen to Billy Joel's Just The Way You Are and realize that a great part of what makes us who we are, are these memories, toys and sometimes people that remain in our lives. These individuals and sometimes objects are what brings us back to who we truly are.
"1"
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Harley,
When is the last time you used the N-word and why?
Sincerely,
SA
Dear SaintAnger,
I use that word all the time when I am quoting parts of a case's Discovery (any and all evidence in a case).
Other than that, I don't use it as I find it offensive.
I also find it offensive when others, blacks or whites, use it amongst themselves even as a term of endearment or greeting.
Again, another example I point to of a cultural cancer.
Harley
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Dear SaintAnger,
I use that word all the time when I am quoting parts of a case's Discovery (any and all evidence in a case).
Other than that, I don't use it as I find it offensive.
I also find it offensive when others, blacks or whites, use it amongst themselves even as a term of endearment or greeting.
Again, another example I point to of a cultural cancer.
Harley
Sometimes, you intrigue me. Others, not so much. But then that is true of all of us. As for your supposition on memories, there are times when we miss just the feelings evoked and not the one(s) who elicit them.
Be well.
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Sometimes, you intrigue me. Others, not so much. But then that is true of all of us. As for your supposition on memories, there are times when we miss just the feelings evoked and not the one(s) who elicit them.
Be well.
One is well reminded of that when one runs into one's old flame. The trouble with old flames is that old flames have become even older.
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Beautifully stated...
Sometimes I go out for a nice jog around NYC (mostly Tribeca, Meat packing district, Hell's Kitchen or the South Street Seaport) around 4-5am in the morning and listen to Billy Joel's Just The Way You Are and realize that a great part of what makes us who we are, are these memories, toys and sometimes people that remain in our lives. These individuals and sometimes objects are what brings us back to who we truly are.
"1"
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Dear GetBiggers,
I have a serious question for you:
What do you do when you want to put yourself in a calm and reflective mood after a troubling day?
I'm serious. How do you cope when things get a bit more chaotic than perhaps you can handle? Everyone has
stress and we all need to develop ways to ameliorate its detrimental effects especially when it comes in a massive
tidal wave-like manner.
Tonight, I went back to something I used to do when I was in high school and college. I would sit in a room not too overly
lit with a drink of my choosing. Back then it might have been a 7 & 7 or Gin and tonic. Tonight it's actually coffee.
I would then, from beginning to end, listen to, on vinyl, the first 4 Dire Straits albums, in order (Dire Straits, Communique, Making Movies and Love Over Gold).
I'm not sure how many of you were or are willing to listen to them in their entirety but they really are as close to Masters as are any other albums I've heard. They
are intimate in the sense you feel you are the only listener. They are simple in that Mark Knopfler's guitar and voice don't beat you down while at the same time his virtuosity leaves you in awe.
The songs are intricate yet easy to enjoy and emote a sincerity that makes you feel much closer to Knopfler than say you could ever be to Mick Jagger.
Listening to them inspires me to achieve greatness. As we discussed earlier, that is a theme about which I often think. I wish more people would examine that theme.
Harley
In my opinion, those albums are truly great just for what they did and can still do for me. Great artists have that ability to innervate a nerve within you thereby releasing an emotion
or a tension that had been itching to surface but need the proper stimuli.
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normally through extreme amounts of cardio for me, and valium as a rare indulgence when i'm particularly struggling to sleep. Normally benadryl tends to do the trick though. Gin and tonic and coffee are also my two favorite drinks. you should check out Peter Green is you like that sort of guitar music; i like to chill out and play a bit of blues guitar now and again. Jumping at shadows is one of those blues songs by him that leaves me in awe.
I've lately been really feeling a strong urge to compete in boxing again as work is particularly stressful and i've been missing the buzz of it quite a bit recently.
Dear CaptainFreedom,
Thank you for your insight.
Boxing is a great pursuit. Sometimes I tell my MMA Coach that "I need to get hit today" and he understands. Sometimes the stress we have from life can be filtered from
the Fat Suit Bastards who seek to denigrate any of their subordinates down to the basic release of just being a "man" and fighting for something, getting hit, taking a risk, losing
in something that physically hurts. Men don't need to be "men" anymore which is a big topic of thought for me.
I've been working on an Essay entitled "Greatness" to which I alluded to earlier and I would love to write an essay entitled "Why Men Are No Longer Men."
Harley
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Dear GetBiggers,
I have a serious question for you:
What do you do when you want to put yourself in a calm and reflective mood after a troubling day?
I'm serious. How do you cope when things get a bit more chaotic than perhaps you can handle? Everyone has
stress and we all need to develop ways to ameliorate its detrimental effects especially when it comes in a massive
tidal wave-like manner.
Tonight, I went back to something I used to do when I was in high school and college. I would sit in a room not too overly
lit with a drink of my choosing. Back then it might have been a 7 & 7 or Gin and tonic. Tonight it's actually coffee.
I would then, from beginning to end, listen to, on vinyl, the first 4 Dire Straits albums, in order (Dire Straits, Communique, Making Movies and Love Over Gold).
I'm not sure how many of you were or are willing to listen to them in their entirety but they really are as close to Masters as are any other albums I've heard. They
are intimate in the sense you feel you are the only listener. They are simple in that Mark Knopfler's guitar and voice don't beat you down while at the same time his virtuosity leaves you in awe.
The songs are intricate yet easy to enjoy and emote a sincerity that makes you feel much closer to Knopfler than say you could ever be to Mick Jagger.
Listening to them inspires me to achieve greatness. As we discussed earlier, that is a theme about which I often think. I wish more people would examine that theme.
Harley
In my opinion, those albums are truly great just for what they did and can still do for me. Great artists have that ability to innervate a nerve within you thereby releasing an emotion
or a tension that had been itching to surface but need the proper stimuli.
You help me with "ameliorate," and I'll help you with decompression.
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You help me with "ameliorate," and I'll help you with decompression.
To assuage, palliate or diminish
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I appreciate your passion for the Harley Davidson brand but I buy what I like, not what Madison Ave makes some people (not you) think they like or even need to be happy.
This was the bike I dreamed about owning when I was in High School and college. I started riding a motorcycle when I was 13 and drove it on the street as if it
were my car and I was 17. I used to ride a motorcycle, completely illegally to and from High School until I was old enough for a license. Back then, the cops would just
call a tow truck half the time and being a juvenile and a decent talker, they never pressed charges.
I know that feel Harley , when I was a kid I used to have this poster in my room , I dreamed of one day owning it ,I still have the bike and I wouldn't change it for any other bike.
(http://www.classicmotorads.com/Honda%20Magna%201987.jpg)
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To diminish
Ok, smartypants: favorite bottle of red, 1-2 Norco 10/325, Miles Davis's 'Kind of Blue,' headphones required.
Enjoy.
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Dear GetBiggers,
I have a serious question for you:
What do you do when you want to put yourself in a calm and reflective mood after a troubling day?
I'm serious. How do you cope when things get a bit more chaotic than perhaps you can handle? Everyone has
stress and we all need to develop ways to ameliorate its detrimental effects especially when it comes in a massive
tidal wave-like manner.
Tonight, I went back to something I used to do when I was in high school and college. I would sit in a room not too overly
lit with a drink of my choosing. Back then it might have been a 7 & 7 or Gin and tonic. Tonight it's actually coffee.
I would then, from beginning to end, listen to, on vinyl, the first 4 Dire Straits albums, in order (Dire Straits, Communique, Making Movies and Love Over Gold).
I'm not sure how many of you were or are willing to listen to them in their entirety but they really are as close to Masters as are any other albums I've heard. They
are intimate in the sense you feel you are the only listener. They are simple in that Mark Knopfler's guitar and voice don't beat you down while at the same time his virtuosity leaves you in awe.
The songs are intricate yet easy to enjoy and emote a sincerity that makes you feel much closer to Knopfler than say you could ever be to Mick Jagger.
Listening to them inspires me to achieve greatness. As we discussed earlier, that is a theme about which I often think. I wish more people would examine that theme.
Harley
In my opinion, those albums are truly great just for what they did and can still do for me. Great artists have that ability to innervate a nerve within you thereby releasing an emotion
or a tension that had been itching to surface but need the proper stimuli.
I don't. I eat and I go to sleep. Truth.
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Dear GetBiggers,
I have a serious question for you:
What do you do when you want to put yourself in a calm and reflective mood after a troubling day?
Lift heavy shit
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Lift heavy shit
So what are your heaviest lifts?
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I know that feel Harley , when I was a kid I used to have this poster in my room , I dreamed of one day owning it ,I still have the bike and I wouldn't change it for any other bike.
(http://www.classicmotorads.com/Honda%20Magna%201987.jpg)
I remember when the Yamaha V-Max came out and they said it had 135 bhp and that you couldn't get insurance. That terrified us young guys.
Only a real "tough guy" could ride that bike. I loved it in purple and a beautiful candy wine color they offered.
That bike inspired stories and became legendary. Then the Ninja took over and it hasn't looked any different in 35 years.
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Dear GetBiggers,
I have a serious question for you:
What do you do when you want to put yourself in a calm and reflective mood after a troubling day?
I'm serious. How do you cope when things get a bit more chaotic than perhaps you can handle? Everyone has
stress and we all need to develop ways to ameliorate its detrimental effects especially when it comes in a massive
tidal wave-like manner.
Tonight, I went back to something I used to do when I was in high school and college. I would sit in a room not too overly
lit with a drink of my choosing. Back then it might have been a 7 & 7 or Gin and tonic. Tonight it's actually coffee.
I would then, from beginning to end, listen to, on vinyl, the first 4 Dire Straits albums, in order (Dire Straits, Communique, Making Movies and Love Over Gold).
I'm not sure how many of you were or are willing to listen to them in their entirety but they really are as close to Masters as are any other albums I've heard. They
are intimate in the sense you feel you are the only listener. They are simple in that Mark Knopfler's guitar and voice don't beat you down while at the same time his virtuosity leaves you in awe.
The songs are intricate yet easy to enjoy and emote a sincerity that makes you feel much closer to Knopfler than say you could ever be to Mick Jagger.
Listening to them inspires me to achieve greatness. As we discussed earlier, that is a theme about which I often think. I wish more people would examine that theme.
Harley
In my opinion, those albums are truly great just for what they did and can still do for me. Great artists have that ability to innervate a nerve within you thereby releasing an emotion
or a tension that had been itching to surface but need the proper stimuli.
1500mg gabapentin and smoke a bowl..
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What about shooting a few rounds at the range? I'm not much a "range" guy.
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I remember when the Yamaha V-Max came out and they said it had 135 bhp and that you couldn't get insurance. That terrified us young guys.
Only a real "tough guy" could ride that bike. I loved it in purple and a beautiful candy wine color they offered.
That bike inspired stories and became legendary. Then the Ninja took over and it hasn't looked any different in 35 years.
I love the V-max too , have you seen the new V-max ?
174hp
(http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/photogallerys/09_vmax_v_wide.jpg)
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Ok, smartypants: favorite bottle of red, 1-2 Norco 10/325, Miles Davis's 'Kind of Blue,' headphones required.
Enjoy.
Listening right now. Through my uncomfortable Grado 225s but that discomfort is a small price to pay for the magic of Miles.
After this I may queue up "Chet Baker Sings". I am a fan of his vocalizations as well as his playing. West Coast Cool, one might call it.
Miles is The Man. Chet is a variation of the theme of real Jazz. Coltrane and Hartman too. I am a devotee of the art of Americas gift to the world. Real Jazz. Nancy Wilson gives me chills. I am rambling...
Thanks, brother.
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What about shooting a few rounds at the range? I'm not much a "range" guy.
Yours or the ranges?
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Listening right now. Through my uncomfortable Grado 225s but that discomfort is a small price to pay for the magic of Miles.
After this I may queue up "Chet Baker Sings". I am a fan of his vocalizations as well as his playing. West Coast Cool, one might call it.
Miles is The Man. Chet is a variation of the theme of real Jazz. Coltrane and Hartman too. I am a devotee of the art of Americas gift to the world. Real Jazz. Nancy Wilson gives me chills. I am rambling...
Thanks, brother.
Dear The Scott,
I never "got" jazz music but it could be in part because I can't very well play an instrument and I also am a "melody" guy and jazz appears to care less about repeated melody.
Does Teri Thornton's "Ill Be Seeing You" count? If so, that is my style of "jazz" music.
Harley
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Yours or the ranges?
Those are some of mine. I take them to certain places outside the house on a rare occasion. Those are mostly for some help here
inside the home.
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Dear The Scott,
I never "got" jazz music but it could be in part because I can't very well play an instrument and I also am a "melody" guy and jazz appears to care less about repeated melody.
Does Teri Thornton's "Ill Be Seeing You" count? If so, that is my style of "jazz" music.
Harley
When they go off on a tangent (essentially playing scales) I too, can be underwhelmed if that foray into phalangeal flourish continues for more than a minute before returning to the melody. Miss Thornton sings beautifully and yes, it is Jazz.
As you enjoy Miss Thornton might I recommend Shirley Horn?
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I would appreciate any recommendation of that sort of music.
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Those are some of mine. I take them to certain places outside the house on a rare occasion. Those are mostly for some help here
inside the home.
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I would appreciate any recommendation of that sort of music.
A few more and then I must take my medicine and retire for the evening. Sophie Milman, Stacey Kent and Nancy Wilson. And of course, Lady Time, Ella.
I have zero talent and I suppose that is the main reason I so admire it as well as refuse to view anything as pedestrian as American Idio...errrr...Idol. All time favorite vocalist? Francis Albert Sinatra.
I heartily recommend the album - Francis A. and Edward K.
I hope you enjoy these talented artists. I am certain The Ugly also has a great many excellent recommendations for you too.
Goodnight and be well.
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Me & Jim Miller training together
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Training and yes, I am a fan of Luke, hence the shirt.
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I don't. I eat and I go to sleep. Truth.
Exact same for me. When I get home, I just have something to eat, lie down and either sleep or drift into that awake/almost asleep mode.
Doing nothing is the best way for me to relax. As I get older I am finding that remaining motionless and doing nothing is getting easier and easier for me. I guess it my body's way of slowing dying.
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A few more and then I must take my medicine and retire for the evening. Sophie Milman, Stacey Kent and Nancy Wilson. And of course, Lady Time, Ella.
I have zero talent and I suppose that is the main reason I so admire it as well as refuse to view anything as pedestrian as American Idio...errrr...Idol. All time favorite vocalist? Francis Albert Sinatra.
I heartily recommend the album - Francis A. and Edward K.
I hope you enjoy these talented artists. I am certain The Ugly also has a great many excellent recommendations for you too.
Goodnight and be well.
Love jazz, but not too familiar with vocalists, Scott. My interest is mainly instrumental: traditional, ragtime, BEBOP (!), and all the Miles-inspired 'bops' that followed (hard, cool, etc.). Also, whatever it is that Brubeck followed with later, love it. Never been much of a big band or jazz vocalist fan, though. Late 40s/50s, not my fave.
One exception: Louis. I can listen to Armstrong all f'n day - trumpet, cornet, vocals, whatever. He's jazz's Babe Ruth, no question.
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What's he got there? looks like a p90 or variant of one?
Lol, its sad that I know what many guns look like from playing Call of Duty :D
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Ok, smartypants: favorite bottle of red, 1-2 Norco 10/325, Miles Davis's 'Kind of Blue,' headphones required.
Enjoy.
For years when I was single, I used to chill out after work with a glass of decent Cabernet and Kind of Blue. It really is Miles Davis at his best.
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What's he got there? looks like a p90 or variant of one?
The P90 is the full auto SBR, the SP90 is the semi with the longer barrel. Both of them take that horrid little 5.7mm round that's almost impossible to source.
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Yeah the SP90 is the civvy version isn't it? is that what it is in the pic? hard to tell. We have the MP7 over here as a similar sort of weapon.
Yes. I have a friend that owns a real P90. He is a "07/SOT" which is a technical term for a civilian manufacturer of full-auto and suppressed weapons. It's a pleasant weapon to shoot, if you can find the ammo for it. The SP90 is stupid: weak-ass pistol round in a semi-auto rifle bullpup format with a dumb long barrel.
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Love jazz, but not too familiar with vocalists, Scott. My interest is mainly instrumental: traditional, ragtime, BEBOP (!), and all the Miles-inspired 'bops' that followed (hard, cool, etc.). Also, whatever it is that Brubeck followed with later, love it. Never been much of a big band or jazz vocalist fan, though. Late 40s/50s, not my fave.
One exception: Louis. I can listen to Armstrong all f'n day - trumpet, cornet, vocals, whatever. He's jazz's Babe Ruth, no question.
Satchelmouth rules, my friend. The father of real Jazz and a fine, distinctive vocalist on his own.
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Any of you cats dig Brubeck? ...Le Souk? ...A Train? ....etc., etc.?
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I'd post some, but I don't want to hijack Harley's thread (great thread!!)
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Benelli M4 with the usual idiot bells and whistles added on.
Mossberg 500
.40 caliber rife
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1967 Nova (SS), for anyone who hasn't seen one:
(http://wayneschevys.tripod.com/bobbie-nova1.jpg)
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Rare 1967 Nova wagon:
(http://www.autotraderclassics.com/images/b/2012/06/13/63911997/0_67_Nova_Wagon_001.jpg)
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1967 Nova (SS), for anyone who hasn't seen one:
(http://wayneschevys.tripod.com/bobbie-nova1.jpg)
Nice!
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One more wagon-style 1967 Nova.
(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af75/emonteith/1967%20Nova%20Wagon/front5.jpg)
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That silver wagon is in Sebring, just a touch different than the Reflex. Reflex has a little more bang in its character.
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Someone's been taking right care of this 1967 Chevelle (SS).
(http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/05/1967ChevroletChevelleSS_02_700.jpg)
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If I knew how to find and cut and paste pictures of my cars in their Pro Street version, I would find them on the internet and show you.
"Pro Street" offers a very different look. Also, the Nova has a blower coming out the front.
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If I knew how to find and cut and paste pictures of my cars in their Pro Street version, I would find them on the internet and show you.
"Pro Street" offers a very different look. Also, the Nova has a blower coming out the front.
Let me know if you want to open a second tab (keep this one to communicate), and find a picture on it. I'll tell you how to put it up. Is easier than what you did before.
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Both those wagons are choice, but something about that second one is almost hypnotic.
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No way someone would drive it on that surface, though.. lol, can you imagine driving that on gravel?
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Harley, 1967 Chevelle (Pro Street).
(https://home.comcast.net/~ratdog42/Chevelle-Pro-Street.jpg)
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How is this for some 1967 Nova Pro Street game:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3c/e6/b8/3ce6b87f361a60bcb4b1c34594086074.jpg)
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That Nova is virtually identical to mine but mine has a blower coming out the hood and the rest of the hood is just flat with a whole for the blower.
That is a gorgeous car.
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You can come across a 67 Nova in Pro Street and even a 67 Chevelle in Pro Street, but I've
never seen too many 63 Vettes in Pro Street. That is the car people really want to see. It's hard having
4 built at the same time as you keep waiting for major changes in something but it all takes so much time to get it right.
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Harley, when you are on any website and you see a picture, you can generally right-click (on Windows) and choose to 'view image'. The picture will stand alone, and the address bar will have what you cut or copy (just like any webpage has an address).
And do you remember before, when you clicked on the image/picture icon when you were trying to post a pic? Just click that and paste what you just cut/copied. That's it.
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You can come across a 67 Nova in Pro Street and even a 67 Chevelle in Pro Street, but I've
never seen too many 63 Vettes in Pro Street. That is the car people really want to see. It's hard having
4 built at the same time as you keep waiting for major changes in something but it all takes so much time to get it right.
There is no way I could have four built at once. I would be too concerned about having to divide attention between them.
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This one is probably closer, big H:
(http://www.topicars.com/wp-content/uploads/1967-chevy-nova-pro-street-20150519103152-555aaea83d567.jpg)
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A dropped ProMax 1967 Nova.
(http://www.cars-on-line.com/slideshow72286/67chev72286-1.jpg)
This one is too beautiful to go without show. 1967 Nova Pro Street.
(http://www.dumontduneriders.com/invision/uploads/monthly_01_2012/post-7912-0-04442400-1327888194.jpg)
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Those are some crazy cars. Only men could invest their attention, effort and heartache into building cars.
You can meet some nice people while building cars but it's difficult to find those who can actually build quality as opposed
to making promises.
If you guys were going to build some cars, what would they be?
By the way, I will offer commission on anyone who can procure for me a 1970 Volvo 144 S in excellent running condition.
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1963 Corvette Pro Street.. I would like to see more of this car.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8307/7867476698_70fc32797f_b.jpg)
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Gorgeous car and crazy paint scheme. Very subdued.
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Hey Guys,
I heard from the Breeder the other day and Hulk and Fessa's pups were born.
There were 3 girls but my pick will be one of the males, of which 4 were born.
They appear to be black, black brindle and perhaps there is one which is Blue Brindle which is the color I am seeking.
It's a very very difficult color to find in a pit bull.
She says that you don't really know their colors until about 4 weeks.
I just learned however that a black male has passed. It's odd that this news shook me a bit as I didn't even
see a photo of the dog who passed and the fact that I do what I do for a living without any pause.
I know that in acquiring a new dog, you can't replace the previous one who passed but in some way, it eases the missing.
Few things are as comforting as coming home from a brutal day in which everyone is yelling at you and expressing their
lack of appreciation and displeasure in you and then being greeted at the top of the stairs by a 4 legged friend who is just so
happy to see you and could care less how much you have in the bank, what car you drive, how far back your hair is fading, etc.
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normally through extreme amounts of cardio for me, and valium as a rare indulgence when i'm particularly struggling to sleep. Normally benadryl tends to do the trick though. Gin and tonic and coffee are also my two favorite drinks. you should check out Peter Green is you like that sort of guitar music; i like to chill out and play a bit of blues guitar now and again. Jumping at shadows is one of those blues songs by him that leaves me in awe.
I've lately been really feeling a strong urge to compete in boxing again as work is particularly stressful and i've been missing the buzz of it quite a bit recently.
Shit....thanks for posting some Peter Green. The first time I heard that song his guitar haunted me, the feeling he puts into it.
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Didn't he leave Fleetwood Mac and promise to give away all of his possessions?
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Hey Guys,
I heard from the Breeder the other day and Hulk and Fessa's pups were born.
There were 3 girls but my pick will be one of the males, of which 4 were born.
They appear to be black, black brindle and perhaps there is one which is Blue Brindle which is the color I am seeking.
It's a very very difficult color to find in a pit bull.
She says that you don't really know their colors until about 4 weeks.
I just learned however that a black male has passed. It's odd that this news shook me a bit as I didn't even
see a photo of the dog who passed and the fact that I do what I do for a living without any pause.
I know that in acquiring a new dog, you can't replace the previous one who passed but in some way, it eases the missing.
Few things are as comforting as coming home from a brutal day in which everyone is yelling at you and expressing their
lack of appreciation and displeasure in you and then being greeted at the top of the stairs by a 4 legged friend who is just so
happy to see you and could care less how much you have in the bank, what car you drive, how far back your hair is fading, etc.
It shook you because you were thinking of Bruno?
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Harley.. I understand what you're saying. I know, bro.
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I hope your departure from your dog is short and flies by quickly.
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I'm thinking of changing the thread title to "Hand jobs for Harley"
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I'm thinking of changing the thread title to "Hand jobs for Harley"
;D
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Hey, no one has told me about the cars you would build.
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Gorgeous car and crazy paint scheme. Very subdued.
They probably got the pic right before that cop cut across all the traffic lanes to shake them down.
;D
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Love those Novas and the Chevelle but hate the paint job on the Vette. :(
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Hey, no one has told me about the cars you would build.
Harley, there are notification systems you can set to search for that Volvo. If I can think of something that will help you like that, will mention it.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks. I did the typical Ebay Motors search but there was nothing there.
What are you top 5 fantasy cars?
Harley
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Love those Novas and the Chevelle but hate the paint job on the Vette. :(
Those Novas have a vibe to them.
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When thinking of feeling the actual force and speed of a car, I always look to 2 factors:
1) Horsepower to Weight Ratio
2) "Hook Up Power"- the actual ability for the car's power to be laid directly, or as much as possible into the ground itself.
There are so many fast cars built that can't transfer the power the ground and thus, just get stuck a bit when trying to take off.
You can plan a great deal but only until is the car done and you test it, will you know if it really sits, grabs and launches.
When I was in college, I used to go on Saturday nights to watch guys race in the streets. It was obviously illegal and these guys
made a business out of it. If the money was big enough, they would leave the normal 1/4 mile spot and take it to the highway, stop traffic
(although at 2:00 am or 3:00 am, there wasn't much of it), lay down the bleach and race. I saw a guy come up from Virginia in a Pontiac with
a parachute. They put down about $10,000 plus side money and led about 21 cars down to do the race.
It all ended when a crash led to the death of one of the drivers which I personally witnessed from just about 20 feet away. I will never forget the
furious sound of it all and the speed in which the chaos ensued.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks. I did the typical Ebay Motors search but there was nothing there.
What are you top 5 fantasy cars?
Harley
I love most of them, Harley. Too difficult to envision a top 5, but I have to admit the 67 Nova has become a very recent favorite (because of this thread). And the 71 TA is a favorite, too. So I must say you have great taste in transportation.
Stock-looking 71 TA:
(https://img.mecum.com/auctions/DA0912/DA0912-135295/images/DA0912-135295_9.jpg)
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That TA is mine except mine is in "Buccaneer Red" (original red color) and has the Honeycomb rims on new, bigger BF Goodrich TA tires.
I have the beige interior color.
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When thinking of feeling the actual force and speed of a car, I always look to 2 factors:
1) Horsepower to Weight Ratio
2) "Hook Up Power"- the actual ability for the car's power to be laid directly, or as much as possible into the ground itself.
There are so many fast cars built that can't transfer the power the ground and thus, just get stuck a bit when trying to take off.
You can plan a great deal but only until is the car done and you test it, will you know if it really sits, grabs and launches.
When I was in college, I used to go on Saturday nights to watch guys race in the streets. It was obviously illegal and these guys
made a business out of it. If the money was big enough, they would leave the normal 1/4 mile spot and take it to the highway, stop traffic
(although at 2:00 am or 3:00 am, there wasn't much of it), lay down the bleach and race. I saw a guy come up from Virginia in a Pontiac with
a parachute. They put down about $10,000 plus side money and led about 21 cars down to do the race.
It all ended when a crash led to the death of one of the drivers which I personally witnessed from just about 20 feet away. I will never forget the
furious sound of it all and the speed in which the chaos ensued.
Now they have "side shows", where they'll do donuts in the middle of the intersection surrounded by a crowd. Usually it's the bystanders that killed.
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When thinking of feeling the actual force and speed of a car, I always look to 2 factors:
1) Horsepower to Weight Ratio
2) "Hook Up Power"- the actual ability for the car's power to be laid directly, or as much as possible into the ground itself.
There are so many fast cars built that can't transfer the power the ground and thus, just get stuck a bit when trying to take off.
You can plan a great deal but only until is the car done and you test it, will you know if it really sits, grabs and launches.
When I was in college, I used to go on Saturday nights to watch guys race in the streets. It was obviously illegal and these guys
made a business out of it. If the money was big enough, they would leave the normal 1/4 mile spot and take it to the highway, stop traffic
(although at 2:00 am or 3:00 am, there wasn't much of it), lay down the bleach and race. I saw a guy come up from Virginia in a Pontiac with
a parachute. They put down about $10,000 plus side money and led about 21 cars down to do the race.
It all ended when a crash led to the death of one of the drivers which I personally witnessed from just about 20 feet away. I will never forget the
furious sound of it all and the speed in which the chaos ensued.
speaking of hook up, I am sure you are familiar with the hellcat series dodge has put out. I have heard they are doing a Jeep Cherokee Hellcat. 700+ hp and all wheel drive will have to make it one of the fastest stock 1/4 miler's out there.
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That TA is mine except mine is in "Buccaneer Red" (original red color) and has the Honeycomb rims on new, bigger BF Goodrich TA tires.
I have the beige interior color.
Was the red and beige a stock combo?
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Now they have "side shows", where they'll do donuts in the middle of the intersection surrounded by a crowd. Usually it's the bystanders that killed.
True. Here, however, this was just serious racing in the hood by really top notch buys and ONLY for money.
They didn't have time for stupid tricks. It really was great entertainment and I was only 18-22 years old those years.
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speaking of hook up, I am sure you are familiar with the hellcat series dodge has put out. I have heard they are doing a Jeep Cherokee Hellcat. 700+ hp and all wheel drive will have to make it one of the fastest stock 1/4 miler's out there.
I think all car guys are excited about the Hellcat. Look where cars are today. You can buy a STOCK car, drive it EVERY day, have AC and HEAT and run in the 12's, 11's in
the quarter mile. Amazing. EFI is a big factor.
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Was the red and beige a stock combo?
I believe so as they are both stock colors. I chose beige because that is what I had in my 74 Trans Am which my Dad had done for me. That car was beautifully
painted in black and was all stock except for the Pro Trac N-50 tires sticking out the sides. You guys are all too young to have seen a Pro Trac N-50 tire but it was a sight
of beauty. Oh, the good old days. I was driving "The Love Machine" during my college years sporting a real, completely shaven Mohawk at a time when no one really wore them.
This is circa 1985-1986. And no, there was no love in The Love Machine but I did have black fur Playboy seat covers which were hysterical.
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speaking of hook up, I am sure you are familiar with the hellcat series dodge has put out. I have heard they are doing a Jeep Cherokee Hellcat. 700+ hp and all wheel drive will have to make it one of the fastest stock 1/4 miler's out there.
:o :o :o
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I think all car guys are excited about the Hellcat. Look where cars are today. You can buy a STOCK car, drive it EVERY day, have AC and HEAT and run in the 12's, 11's in
the quarter mile. Amazing. EFI is a big factor.
I can't imagine how hard it would be to keep these new high horsepower rear wheel drives hooked up. I have a 2002 viper GTS. that year only had 455 hp, and it breaks loose like nothing.
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I can't imagine how hard it would be to keep these new high horsepower rear wheel drives hooked up. I have a 2002 viper GTS. that year only had 455 hp, and it breaks loose like nothing.
I once drove a friend's Viper, an early edition, and it was a full time job to drive it. There is no drinking coffee while commandeering that animal.
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I once drove a friend's Viper, an early edition, and it was a full time job to drive it. There is no drinking coffee while commandeering that animal.
yup, doesn't even have a drink holder!! or glove box, or cruise control.
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1971 TA (just a little different than yours, though, Harley... but this must be the Buccaneer Red)
(https://img.mecum.com/auctions/DA0914/DA0914-193726/images/DA0914-193726_1.jpg)
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It's got the honeycombs, too.
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I could be mistaken, but I believe that is a Pontiac "Formula" based upon the hood, vinyl roof and lack of badges.
Coincidentally, because I love that hood so much, I have one being painted the same color as the car just to switch if I get bored.
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The side vents and lack of rear spoiler add to my guess that it is the "Formula".
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I could be mistaken, but I believe that is a Pontiac "Formula" based upon the hood, vinyl roof and lack of badges.
Coincidentally, because I love that hood so much, I have one being painted the same color as the car just to switch if I get bored.
It is, and a 455. That particular car is 1 of 166, too.
(But I always thought they were a type of TA ??? and I can see now it is not... that is 100% news to me for the first time)
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I appreciate that, Harley. You know the Firebird and knew immediately what to spot.
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This one should be no doubt about the Buccaneer Red. It's a 455 (among the few other obvious differences). 1971 Trans Am:
(http://www.cruisenewsonline.com/BeachBlast17/1971PontiacTransAm.jpg)
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455s are nice, but I'm sure you'll appreciate the better mileage on yours. It will give you more reason to drive. ;D
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Great song isn't it. Peter green and Hendrix are two guys that for me, seem to have been able to really put across their individual personalities through their guitar playing.
Yeah i think he has a long history of mental illness/depression. You can hear it in his music.
I know what you mean. Hopefully your new one arrives in good health. I'm getting ready to leave mine for a few months soon and it leaves me feeling like shit for a while every single time.
From my understanding it was schizophrenia.....the meds he was put on made him lose any desire to play music. In the 80's or 90's he stopped taking his meds and started playing again and made a few albums. Not sure what he's up to these days.
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Hey Guys,
I like this thread because I feel we can talk about a multitude of issue that may not be directly related to bodybuilding
but have a tangential relationship.
One of those topics is certainly mental illness. When I was a child, mental illness was not talked about in a public manner.
It was like the Scarlet Letter and those who suffered from mental illness were "crazy."
Well, we now know that is far from true and we have evolved enough to openly discuss the topic.
I see 2 major problems with the topic;
1) It is far too "over-diagnosed."
2) Prescription medicine to completely "Zombie-atize" the patient is not the answer for everyone.
My clients who have committed the most heinous of murders are quite often mentally ill and shortly after their incarceration they
become a different person in the sense that they are completely numbed and desensitized and would have difficulty even raising their voices
in anger.
My area of interest on such a topic is more so in "eating disorders" upon which I would love to hear you views but mental illness is something
we have seen in bodybuilders taken to a dangerous level (perhaps Craig Titus, Bertil Fox, the GF of a former pro named Ray who killed him,
the Mentzer Brothers, Benny Poda, etc.)
Harley
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Hi Harvey,
Some of us are just wired differently. People who know mexactly closely would say I'm the nicest kindest guy ever but I couldleave the house for ten minutes now to get milk or something and get in a fight. Its a combination or the unwillingness to take shit off people in a shit world, alpha male ego, no fear of consequences and the like. I see Josh as a si.liar version of me? Someone who doesn't care or worry about things and just does what he feels
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I like those Trans Ams you posted, but my dream car is a 1970 Boss 429. My goal is to within two years have a Boss 302 Acapulco Blue. The 429 will be for later. 8)
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Hi Harvey,
Some of us are just wired differently. People who know mexactly closely would say I'm the nicest kindest guy ever but I couldleave the house for ten minutes now to get milk or something and get in a fight. Its a combination or the unwillingness to take shit off people in a shit world, alpha male ego, no fear of consequences and the like. I see Josh as a si.liar version of me? Someone who doesn't care or worry about things and just does what he feels
Dear Wizard of Truth,
I certainly agree that some persons are "wired" differently and that appears to me very much to be the case with my clients who are accused of sexual crimes
against children. In reading about and watching their behavior and then in speaking with them, your theory of "wiring" is spot on. They are wired differently but in
my opinion, it is an "addiction" issue and the miscue in wiring is in the "addiction" part of the brain.
The fact that you are not incarcerated right now lends some proof to the notion that you are not a sociopath completely devoid of fear of consequences. That, by the way, is a
compliment.
Harley
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I like those Trans Ams you posted, but my dream car is a 1970 Boss 429. My goal is to within two years have a Boss 302 Acapulco Blue. The 429 will be for later. 8)
Dear Irongrip400,
Doesn't it such how Barrett-Jackson Car Auction being aired on television led to the overall ridiculous state of the collector car market?
Now, everyone wants a Cobra or a Copo Camaro. I don't buy into it. These auctions are filled with all sorts of scams and many of the cars
are not actually ever sold. There is a great deal of deception going on.
And since when are all 1960's Vettes with a great paint job worth at least $60,000? The auctions have super-inflated the "value" of these cars.
I never met a single person in all my years of being passionate about cars who wanted a Copo Camaro but now they are so coveted and worth no less
than $150,000? Fraudulent, as I think you guys say on here.
That color blue, by the way, is my favorite color for those Mustangs.
Harley
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Dear Irongrip400,
Doesn't it such how Barrett-Jackson Car Auction being aired on television led to the overall ridiculous state of the collector car market?
Now, everyone wants a Cobra or a Copo Camaro. I don't buy into it. These auctions are filled with all sorts of scams and many of the cars
are not actually ever sold. There is a great deal of deception going on.
And since when are all 1960's Vettes with a great paint job worth at least $60,000? The auctions have super-inflated the "value" of these cars.
I never met a single person in all my years of being passionate about cars who wanted a Copo Camaro but now they are so coveted and worth no less
than $150,000? Fraudulent, as I think you guys say on here.
That color blue, by the way, is my favorite color for those Mustangs.
Harley
Do you have a small collection, or just one great old car?
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Dear Irongrip400,
Doesn't it such how Barrett-Jackson Car Auction being aired on television led to the overall ridiculous state of the collector car market?
Now, everyone wants a Cobra or a Copo Camaro. I don't buy into it. These auctions are filled with all sorts of scams and many of the cars
are not actually ever sold. There is a great deal of deception going on.
And since when are all 1960's Vettes with a great paint job worth at least $60,000? The auctions have super-inflated the "value" of these cars.
I never met a single person in all my years of being passionate about cars who wanted a Copo Camaro but now they are so coveted and worth no less
than $150,000? Fraudulent, as I think you guys say on here.
That color blue, by the way, is my favorite color for those Mustangs.
Harley
Having been to that auction, what they show on tv is absolutely the cream of the crop. Hundreds of cars there in various states of disarray, and a few that were impeccable.
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I like those Trans Ams you posted, but my dream car is a 1970 Boss 429. My goal is to within two years have a Boss 302 Acapulco Blue. The 429 will be for later. 8)
Real nice Irongrip. Here's one in Grabber Blue:
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Fi2A4ePk3NM/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Do you have a small collection, or just one great old car?
I don't want to speak for H, but I believe he's driving the Bentley and his Ferrari. He is currently building the Vette, the Nova, the Chevelle and the TA. (I still can't believe that type of Nova since discovering it for myself in this thread. A new favorite for me, and the wagon is perfectly complimentary to that.)
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Dear Las Vegas,
Actually, I am getting ready to go train some BJJ/MMA tonight.
Harley
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Dear Wizard of Truth,
I certainly agree that some persons are "wired" differently and that appears to me very much to be the case with my clients who are accused of sexual crimes
against children. In reading about and watching their behavior and then in speaking with them, your theory of "wiring" is spot on. They are wired differently but in
my opinion, it is an "addiction" issue and the miscue in wiring is in the "addiction" part of the brain.
The fact that you are not incarcerated right now lends some proof to the notion that you are not a sociopath completely devoid of fear of consequences. That, by the way, is a
compliment.
Harley
Dear Harley
Sometimes you just see red and for that timespan you feel anything you do is justifiable and righteous
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Dear Wizard of Truth,
That is certainly a dangerous state of being not only for those around you, but in thinking of long-lasting
potential consequences, but you too.
I sincerely hope you never run into a serious difficulty with that situation.
Harley
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Yet in normal society i can function. Once nobody tries to take liberties. 99% of the time I'm very easy going. I genuinely think 10+years of steroids have altered my mind
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Dear Las Vegas,
Actually, I am getting ready to go train some BJJ/MMA tonight.
Harley
;D kick someone's ass for getbig, Harley!
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Dear Las Vegas,
Almost all of my training consists of Private Sessions with my Coach/Professor Sean Santella.
Interesting thing about Sean is that the UFC said if he wins his next fight, they will sign him to the 125 pound division.
But of course, no one wants to fight him and risk their precious record. Either guys don't make weight or in his last match, the
kid cried foul and wouldn't continue.
It's very frustrating.
It's also frustrating having a pro fighter kick your ass every session but it sure beats yoga or going to watch others play sports
while you sit there cheering for them and then claiming "we won!"
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Almost all of my training consists of Private Sessions with my Coach/Professor Sean Santella.
Interesting thing about Sean is that the UFC said if he wins his next fight, they will sign him to the 125 pound division.
But of course, no one wants to fight him and risk their precious record. Either guys don't make weight or in his last match, the
kid cried foul and wouldn't continue.
It's very frustrating.
It's also frustrating having a pro fighter kick your ass every session but it sure beats yoga or going to watch others play sports
while you sit there cheering for them and then claiming "we won!"
Harley
X2, Harley. I go as far as to have NO interest in things like NFL. (NFL in particular has become strange as hell in recent years, but I know that's another story...)
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Sunday Night Training
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Good evening Harley. ;D
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Dear Neither Animal,
It wasn't a bad evening after all.
Took a ride by myself with my iPod filling the car.
Trained some BJJ. Didn't lose any blood today.
After training, my Coach and I went to eat.
Although there was not much taste, I had a salad, grilled chicken and steamed carrots and I know I didn't screw up my diet.
I am on the road to recovery.
Tomorrow I will spend the day drafting legal papers (Motions) to shove up the ass of some feminist bitch prosecutor attempting
to penalize my "Special Needs" client who was attacked at his own house by another classmate.
Harley
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Say,
Have you seen this? Choke, about your boy Rickson. From the documentary thread in General Topics.
Good stuff.
Would you say he's one of the best ever?
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Dear The Ugly,
I have written on this thread my feelings and opinions about Rickson from training with him, meeting him, speaking with him and writing to him.
Pellius is actually one of the luckiest men alive of whom I am most envious as he is a direct Rickson Gracie student and trained privately with him and
other Gracies before anyone in America knew what a Gracie was. Now I am sure, Pellius could write a great book and his BJJ must be awesome too.
Harley
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Dear The Ugly,
I have written on this thread my feelings and opinions about Rickson from training with him, meeting him, speaking with him and writing to him.
Pellius is actually one of the luckiest men alive of whom I am most envious as he is a direct Rickson Gracie student and trained privately with him and
other Gracies before anyone in America knew what a Gracie was. Now I am sure, Pellius could write a great book and his BJJ must be awesome too.
Harley
Haven't paid close attention to your BJJ posts, I'm afraid, and I sometimes confuse my Gracies. Which did you say was sort of an asshole, and which is considered a god in Brazil?
Also, which did you say was your close friend - are they all the same guy?
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Royler Gracie is "my favorite Gracie" LOL. He and I are extremely close.
I met Rickson in Brasil while at one of his seminars and he was less than friendly.
I had an incredible lunch at Renzo's home one day with a long table full of Gracies and he was just very nice. You did get the feeling that
Renzo was the most unstable in terms of willingness to risk it all on a street fight.
Vitor Terra is one of my closest friends and Professors and
he is a brother in law of Renzo.
I've met and trained with Royce and I have represented almost all these guys too.
When I go to Brasil, I train at Gracie Humaita and Rolker is just great with me.
There are many others but it will bore you to go through them all.
The Gracies are an incredible family but in most respects they are just like every other family. They have their inner disputes. They are
competitive. They fight and most of the time make up. They stand up for one another.
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Royler Gracie is "my favorite Gracie" LOL. He and I are extremely close.
I met Rickson in Brasil while at one of his seminars and he was less than friendly.
I had an incredible lunch at Renzo's home one day with a long table full of Gracies and he was just very nice. You did get the feeling that
Renzo was the most unstable in terms of willingness to risk it all on a street fight.
Vitor Terra is one of my closest friends and Professors and
he is a brother in law of Renzo.
I've met and trained with Royce and I have represented almost all these guys too.
When I go to Brasil, I train at Gracie Humaita and Rolker is just great with me.
There are many others but it will bore you to go through them all.
The Gracies are an incredible family but in most respects they are just like every other family. They have their inner disputes. They are
competitive. They fight and most of the time make up. They stand up for one another.
Thanks for clarifying. Until that doc, I'd only seen Royce and Renzo fight. Rickson seemed most impressive, though. You also said one had a son who passed; gues I should go back and read up a bit.
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Dear The Ugly,
I have written on this thread my feelings and opinions about Rickson from training with him, meeting him, speaking with him and writing to him.
Pellius is actually one of the luckiest men alive of whom I am most envious as he is a direct Rickson Gracie student and trained privately with him and
other Gracies before anyone in America knew what a Gracie was. Now I am sure, Pellius could write a great book and his BJJ must be awesome too.
Harley
LOL! I'm waaay past my prime and I haven't trained with a gi in over ten years. It's a young man's sport and your physicality does matter.
And I wonder how Rickson, now closing in on 57 years old, would fair against the likes of Roger Gracie and Buchecha.
So often others would refer to Rickson as a god. He was just so much more advance than even the top competitors of the day like Gurgel and Nino. I mean, he grew up in pretty much the same environment
as his brothers and cousins but yet he was the one emerge to the top. I really don't think it's because he was smarter than everybody else or that he trained harder than the rest. They all trained hard.
He just had that certain "something-something" as Quentin Tarantino would call it.
Rickson's no god but he sure was touched by the hand of God.
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Rickson's BJJ and MMA prowess, for all its greatness, is, to me, overshadowed by his arrogance and unwillingness to bring such simple yet great
pleasure to those who consider themselves fortunate to just meet him.
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Rickson's BJJ and MMA prowess, for all its greatness, is, to me, overshadowed by his arrogance and unwillingness to bring such simple yet great
pleasure to those who consider themselves fortunate to just meet him.
It's disappointing for me to hear about your experience with Rickson. When I knew him he was always joking around and laughing. No matter how serious the discussion got with us, and we had plenty during my private lessons with him, he'd always end it with some joke to lighten mood. He would tell these lame and corny jokes that were funny only because of the way he would tell it and act it out.
I remember once telling him that in America a tough guy would say to someone, "I can take you with one arm tied behind my back." I told him that I've been training practically everyday now for three years and I can tap all the blues and most of the purples. "You think you can tap me with "one arm tied behind your back?"
He looked at me and smiled and then walked out into the middle of the mat and I followed. He started to put his left hand under his belt and then stopped, smiled, took it out and put his right hand under his belt. Then he looked at me, kind of rolled his eyes, and put his other hand under his belt so that both hands were tied up.
I then smiled and said "That is very generous of you and I will return the favor and allow us to start inside your guard." So he lies down and as I am about to get in his guard he says, "Pellius, I even give you the mount."
I just shook my head and laughed and said, "Say good-bye to your undefeated record." So I mount him, my knees and hips pinning his hands to his body and say, "OK, on the count of three."
Now, in my mind, I was going to cheat not because I wanted to beat him but because I just wanted to save him some embarrassment and give him an excuse as to why he lost. We both realized it was all in good fun but still he would have to tap to me. So told him we'll start at the count of three. My plan was that as soon as I said "one" I would attack. My favorite attack from the mount was a modified cross choke. I would snake my right arm behind his neck, grab the sleeve of my left hand which would be across his neck and squeeze for dear life. I like this choke better than the tradition cross choke because I could generate much more power and also by having my right arm behind his neck I could hold him in close and tight and just lock it in. With the cross choke I find it much harder to hold him in tight and close.
Anyway, I say, "One..." and then just pounce and try to snap it in.
With just pure hip movement he escapes the mount, and since I knew I was in trouble I start to back out and stand hoping I can pass his guard and get side control. He just uses his feet to hook me behind my knees, I swear his legs had the same mobility as his arms, and pulls me back in and snaps a triangle on me.
I just shook my head in disbelief.
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BTW, I use to train and work at the same gym with Benny Podda for a few years when he was there. It was called Barlow's and later Casey's gym in Torrance, CA. Small and old school, as most gyms were in the 1980s. He was probably the most dynamic and intense personality I have ever met. He was also one of the most good humored and funniest person as well. I have never seen anyone match his training intensity. Those guys at Gold's seemed to sleep walk through their training compared to Benny, especially Paul Dillet -- the most freaky bber I have ever seen in person.
I once commented on his freaky forearms and calves and he told me he got them from his mother. "Your mom?" I asked. He said, "Yes, she had a good build. Very powerful. When she took me to the zoo as a kid the gorillas use to whistle at her."
He was very well read and intelligent but just such a dynamic and powerful personality.
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Harley
there is a lot of conjecture and doubts about the dosages of steroids pros use.
having been in the iron game for over 20 years and trained in hardcore gyms like Diamond and known and associated with many pros I hypothesize that you would have much knowledge on the topic.
can you verify that the the average testosterone dose MOST pros use per week would run between 3-5 grams?
this is not including other steroids, just some form of testo.
Harley
can u please comment on this if you are able to?
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BTW, looking back, I'm not so sure how great an instructor Rickson was. When you are talented, have a quality that you are simply born with, you might be somewhat less than perceptive as to the trouble or obstacles your students may have. After all, so much came to you naturally and without as much effort as one less gifted. It should be noted that Rickson has never produced a single champion that he trained from the ground up except his son, Kron. Anyone that ever distinguished themselves were already advance when they came to Rickson. You get guys like Renzo, Royler and Ceasar Gracie (who is not even a real Gracie) producing several world class champions but not Rickson. I'm especially in awe of Ceasar who never even competed at a high level, if at all, yet produced several top MMA fighters and BJJ/ADCC competitors like David Terrell, Jake Shields, Gilbert Melendez, the Diaz brothers. I mean, it's hard to believe that somewhat grim area of Central CA. would just happen to be a hot bed of MMA talent. Ceasar must be doing something right.
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A female friend of mine (who does bjj) met Royce and said he was kind of "rude" and she wasn't too fond of him. I could tell she was trying to downplay it. Is he a womanizer or something?
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Harley, ever have an issue with your hair being pulled in a match? and how is that viewed by the fighters? I would think it is as low as it gets, but recall Royce ripping out a huge chunk of Kimo Leopold's hair one match.
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It's disappointing for me to hear about your experience with Rickson. When I knew him he was always joking around and laughing. No matter how serious the discussion got with us, and we had plenty during my private lessons with him, he'd always end it with some joke to lighten mood. He would tell these lame and corny jokes that were funny only because of the way he would tell it and act it out.
I remember once telling him that in America a tough guy would say to someone, "I can take you with one arm tied behind my back." I told him that I've been training practically everyday now for three years and I can tap all the blues and most of the purples. "You think you can tap me with "one arm tied behind your back?"
He looked at me and smiled and then walked out into the middle of the mat and I followed. He started to put his left hand under his belt and then stopped, smiled, took it out and put his right hand under his belt. Then he looked at me, kind of rolled his eyes, and put his other hand under his belt so that both hands were tied up.
I then smiled and said "That is very generous of you and I will return the favor and allow us to start inside your guard." So he lies down and as I am about to get in his guard he says, "Pellius, I even give you the mount."
I just shook my head and laughed and said, "Say good-bye to your undefeated record." So I mount him, my knees and hips pinning his hands to his body and say, "OK, on the count of three."
Now, in my mind, I was going to cheat not because I wanted to beat him but because I just wanted to save him some embarrassment and give him an excuse as to why he lost. We both realized it was all in good fun but still he would have to tap to me. So told him we'll start at the count of three. My plan was that as soon as I said "one" I would attack. My favorite attack from the mount was a modified cross choke. I would snake my right arm behind his neck, grab the sleeve of my left hand which would be across his neck and squeeze for dear life. I like this choke better than the tradition cross choke because I could generate much more power and also by having my right arm behind his neck I could hold him in close and tight and just lock it in. With the cross choke I find it much harder to hold him in tight and close.
Anyway, I say, "One..." and then just pounce and try to snap it in.
With just pure hip movement he escapes the mount, and since I knew I was in trouble I start to back out and stand hoping I can pass his guard and get side control. He just uses his feet to hook me behind my knees, I swear his legs had the same mobility as his arms, and pulls me back in and snaps a triangle on me.
I just shook my head in disbelief.
Dear Pellius,
Wow!! That is seriously, one of the greatest stories I have ever read and makes me wonder how many of them are lost out there just waiting to be told only by those rare and infinitely
lucky persons to have been in the right spot at the same time. Rickson is no God (I am an atheist) but watching him on the mat leaves me not only wondering what he just did, but wondering
if he and I are actually involved in the same martial art. His talents are in part, a gift from the cosmos and a thing of utter beauty to watch.
Thank you for telling me that story.
And just for the rest of the GetBiggers, I am telling you, with my 25 years of martial arts training, that Pellius is the most humble person here and can seriously wreck ALL of us
if he so choose. In the hope of having the privilege of meeting Pellius in person, I will hide my neck and buy him as many drinks and steaks as he would like.
Harley
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Please don't think I am ignoring your question.
It is what I would've thought was the very first question you guys would've asked me and it is, the one
which will provoke the most disbelief and argument.
Let me get myself feeling a little better today (I practiced guillotine escapes last night and honestly, my throat is closed and in a
great deal of pain- Yes, I know I sound like a little bitch but I promised to be honest at all times while on GetBig).
When I feel a bit better, I am going to answer this with all seriousness no matter how pissed you guys get.
But remember, I don't have horse in the race. I am not sponsored by anyone, I don't compete and I don't make any money
by coming here and expressing what are only my views and no one else's.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
Wow!! That is seriously, one of the greatest stories I have ever read and makes me wonder how many of them are lost out there just waiting to be told only by those rare and infinitely
lucky persons to have been in the right spot at the same time. Rickson is no God (I am an atheist) but watching him on the mat leaves me not only wondering what he just did, but wondering
if he and I are actually involved in the same martial art. His talents are in part, a gift from the cosmos and a thing of utter beauty to watch.
Thank you for telling me that story.
And just for the rest of the GetBiggers, I am telling you, with my 25 years of martial arts training, that Pellius is the most humble person here and can seriously wreck ALL of us
if he so choose. In the hope of having the privilege of meeting Pellius in person, I will hide my neck and buy him as many drinks and steaks as he would like.
Harley
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Harley, ever have an issue with your hair being pulled in a match? and how is that viewed by the fighters? I would think it is as low as it gets, but recall Royce ripping out a huge chunk of Kimo Leopold's hair one match.
Dear Hazbin,
My hair is ALWAYS being "caught" when I compete in BJJ. Guys love to put their knee down and hold my head while moving forward. They know I am stuck at that point.
There are guys who have purposely pulled it out from the ponytail and then grabbed it to yank it out or step on it with bad intention.
My opinion on that as you asked? I think it's just downright pussy!!! A BJJ match is NOT a street fight. If you can't beat me within the spirit of the sport or
at least on your own talent and work ethic and feel the need to pull my hair, you can have the stupid medal. I'm there primarily to prove to myself that I wouldn't
back down anymore if someone wanted to bully me. The other reason I am there is that I want to learn how to better protect myself and putting myself in that "controlled"
situation goes a long way for me to know what I might and might not be able to do in a street situation. Winning, is never my serious objective. I have the worst attitude
of any "competitor." I never think about the matches I won. I keep thinking about the times I tapped out and examined if I did so too fast or what I might have been able to
do better. I think it's bullshit and cowardice to pull hair in a BJJ match. I'm 48 years old next week. C'mon, does a guy really have to pull my hair to beat me?
As far as a Street Fight- all bets are off!!! That is a situation where you could literally have one bad misstep and end up dead. I have represented persons who have unintentionally
killed others in a street fight. Hitting your head on the concrete is one way you are going to die or wish you were dead afterward. Me, personally, there are no rules in a street fight
and I would always look to stick my finger deep into the eye of my opponent. The pain is immense and if you can't see me, you can't hurt me. You MUST think about your life and
your health, even in what you think is just a "small, silly little street fight." Real street fights are NOTHING like the movies.
Harley
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Harley, the most basic thing you should have set is the ebay searcher. It will notify you by email if one of those 144s appear in an ebay listing or store:
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Never-Ever-Miss-Out-Again-On-The-Item-You-Really-Want-/10000000000767264/g.html
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Had you already looked into this one, Harley?
http://www.autorestorationice.com/2015/04/super-clean-1970-volvo-144s.html
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And just for the rest of the GetBiggers, I am telling you, with my 25 years of martial arts training, that Pellius is the most humble person here and can seriously wreck ALL of us
if he so choose.
Harley
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He must have intimate knowledge after representing him in one of his cases...
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Had you already looked into this one, Harley?
http://www.autorestorationice.com/2015/04/super-clean-1970-volvo-144s.html
Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks for the help.
Harley
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Hahahahahaha yes Chaos, are you suggesting that Master Splinter taught him well?
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He must have intimate knowledge after representing him in one of his cases...
Trust me, you just don't train with a guy like Rickson, for as long as Pellius did and the manner in which he was able to train without becoming
a very dangerous person yourself.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks for the help.
Harley
Harley, while you're here...a quick question (if you have time).
My friend has separated from his wife, and now lives in his own rented place. They have 3 young boys (all under 5) and currently they have informal arrangements for time with the kids.
My wife told me yesterday that the mother is planning to move to Scotland (without telling the father), and that he can fly up and see the kids once per month (currently sees them weekly).
Surely he can prevent this from happening beforehand? I'm guessing that it will have to go to court, and then it be decided on what is 'reasonable' in terms of distance and times to see his kids.............
(No violence or adultery or anything like that, they just separated because it wasn't working out)
Any quick advice appreciated!
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Trust me, you just don't train with a guy like Rickson, for as long as Pellius did and the manner in which he was able to train without becoming
a very dangerous person yourself.
*sigh* because training for 25 years makes someone a badass.
You've competed, you've been at the top. Pellius rolled around from gym to gym because he enjoyed being manhandled by other men.
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There's a fine line between interesting and weird. This thread has officially tumbled into the weird.
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Harley, while you're here...a quick question (if you have time).
My friend has separated from his wife, and now lives in his own rented place. They have 3 young boys (all under 5) and currently they have informal arrangements for time with the kids.
My wife told me yesterday that the mother is planning to move to Scotland (without telling the father), and that he can fly up and see the kids once per month (currently sees them weekly).
Surely he can prevent this from happening beforehand? I'm guessing that it will have to go to court, and then it be decided on what is 'reasonable' in terms of distance and times to see his kids.............
(No violence or adultery or anything like that, they just separated because it wasn't working out)
Any quick advice appreciated!
Dear Big Cyp,
The mother is not permitted under law to move with children to another country, almost always, not even another state, without a Court Order.
Your friend should consider an emergent motion (Order to Show Cause) to not only prevent her from leaving, but to demonstrate to the Court
that strict rules need to be implemented now, that he be granted Temporary Residential Custody, that the mother can not be trusted and that the father is not going to violate rules of Court.
Harley
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There's a fine line between interesting and weird. This thread has officially tumbled into the weird.
Weirdest thread ever.........almost like asking questions of the "All Knowing King of Oz" !!
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*sigh* because training for 25 years makes someone a badass.
You've competed, you've been at the top. Pellius rolled around from gym to gym because he enjoyed being manhandled by other men.
Chaos,
1) I never said I was a badass.
2) If my life were threatened in the street, I would prefer it to be from a guy who never trained than a guy who trained something for
a long time. That's just good old common sense.
3) I, along with millions of people have competed. It's not a rarity but it gives me just a little better of an insight into how a fight goes.
4) I NEVER once said that I was or am "at the top." If you read carefully, you would see that I don't claim my BJJ to be very good at all.
Harley
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Weirdest thread ever.........almost like asking questions of the "All Knowing King of Oz" !!
Isn't this the site where people ask one another questions? I have asked a ton of questions on several different topics
during this thread. Asking and answering questions isn't weird unless you want it to be.
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:)
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Chaos,
1) I never said I was a badass.
2) If my life were threatened in the street, I would prefer it to be from a guy who never trained than a guy who trained something for
a long time. That's just good old common sense.
3) I, along with millions of people have competed. It's not a rarity but it gives me just a little better of an insight into how a fight goes.
4) I NEVER once said that I was or am "at the top." If you read carefully, you would see that I don't claim my BJJ to be very good at all.
Harley
Chaos knows you're modest, so he's making the claim for you. It's the quickest way to get pellius into perspective. :D
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Isn't this the site where people ask one another questions? I have asked a ton of questions on several different topics
during this thread. Asking and answering questions isn't weird unless you want it to be.
How can any one person be versed on the total gamut of questions asked in this thread ?
Nothing personal mind you.
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How can any one person be versed on the total gamut of questions asked in this thread ?
Nothing personal mind you.
;D
What's been the strangest serious question in your opinion, wes?
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How can any one person be versed on the total gamut of questions asked in this thread ?
Nothing personal mind you.
Harley = Getbig's version of "The Most Interesting Man In The World" :)
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What's been the strangest serious question in your opinion, wes?
I`m not reading the whole thread bro...........carry on.
I`m not one to throw monkey wrenches just seems a bit weird like an all knowing Oracle or some shit. ;D
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Harley = Getbig's version of "The Most Interesting Man In The World" :)
YES LOL ;D
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I`m not reading the whole thread bro...........carry on.
I`m not one to throw monkey wrenches just seems a bit weird like an all knowing Oracle or some shit. ;D
How about Las Vegas dick sucking skills? either he is a Harley's gimmick or the biggest ass kisser I have ever seen in this site.
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How about Las Vegas dick sucking skills? either he is a Harley's gimmick or the biggest ass kisser I have ever seen in this site.
Lol... fuck off, ghe. You are one of the biggest fags on this site (and that takes effort!)
:D
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How about Las Vegas dick sucking skills? either he is a Harley's gimmick or the biggest ass kisser I have ever seen in this site.
Che,
Harley is legit. I called his law offices and spoke to this man directly. He is a good guy.
He has been around and lived an interesting life.
"1"
P.S. We have many other interesting individuals on this site, but some of them prefer to stay quiet.
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Funny how the bitches that claim to be so upset about the thread, can't stay off it. (not you, wes)
;D
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Che,
Harley is legit. I called his law offices and spoke to this man directly. He is a good guy.
He has been around and lived an interesting life.
"1"
P.S. We have many other interesting individuals on this site, but some of them prefer to stay quiet.
I know Harley is legit and I do enjoy his posts , I was taking about (ass kissing ) Las Vegas.
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I'm just trying to get in the interesting reading while I can. You never know what might happen tomorrow.
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Harley = Getbig's version of "The Most Interesting Man In The World" :)
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BTW, I use to train and work at the same gym with Benny Podda for a few years when he was there. It was called Barlow's and later Casey's gym in Torrance, CA. Small and old school, as most gyms were in the 1980s. He was probably the most dynamic and intense personality I have ever met. He was also one of the most good humored and funniest person as well. I have never seen anyone match his training intensity. Those guys at Gold's seemed to sleep walk through their training compared to Benny, especially Paul Dillet -- the most freaky bber I have ever seen in person.
I once commented on his freaky forearms and calves and he told me he got them from his mother. "Your mom?" I asked. He said, "Yes, she had a good build. Very powerful. When she took me to the zoo as a kid the gorillas use to whistle at her."
He was very well read and intelligent but just such a dynamic and powerful personality.
Interesting stories about Dillett, i remember he always thanked his jamaican mother for the calves, not his white father... Dear mr Breite, any inside stories regarding fixed matches in MMA? UFC or Pride... I'm friend with a known Renzo's student, nothing but good and nice things for him, seems really a great guy...
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"Harley Breite Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu World Championship - Fight for 2nd Place"
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Chaos,
1) I never said I was a badass.
2) If my life were threatened in the street, I would prefer it to be from a guy who never trained than a guy who trained something for
a long time. That's just good old common sense.
3) I, along with millions of people have competed. It's not a rarity but it gives me just a little better of an insight into how a fight goes.
4) I NEVER once said that I was or am "at the top." If you read carefully, you would see that I don't claim my BJJ to be very good at all.
Harley
My post was aimed at you pumping up pellius as some sort of tough guy, badass because he's trained for 25 years, I only mentioned you because you have competed, pellius has not. Wouldn't you agree there is a huge difference between training in a gym and being in a competition/street fight where the other person is legitimately trying to hurt you?
You came in second at that tournament in the video posted above, that's about as close to the top as you can get without being #1.
Reading comprehension could use some work. ;)
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My post was aimed at you pumping up pellius as some sort of tough guy, badass because he's trained for 25 years, I only mentioned you because you have competed, pellius has not. Wouldn't you agree there is a huge difference between training in a gym and being in a competition/street fight where the other person is legitimately trying to hurt you?
You came in second at that tournament in the video posted above, that's about as close to the top as you can get without being #1.
Reading comprehension could use some work. ;)
I was more suckerpunched by "humble."
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How about Las Vegas dick sucking skills? either he is a Harley's gimmick or the biggest ass kisser I have ever seen in this site.
Shut up or I'll start another Arm Don thread.
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Shut up or I'll start another Arm Don thread.
;D i missed that one.. will look it up
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I was more suckerpunched by "humble."
You mean the 24/7 name dropping isn't the epitome of humble?
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You mean the 24/7 name dropping isn't the epitome of humble?
The self-proclaimed brilliance and moral superiority, mostly. Which accompanied the pedo meltdowns, ironically enough.
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Hahah... poor pellius.
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Hey Guys,
Let's take a deep breath. I in no way, shape or means am even within the same universe as "knowing everything."
I actually pride myself amongst lawyers as being the most willing to respond, in open court, with "I don't know." I've asked numerous questions of you guys too.
If I have what some might perceive as a bit wider breadth of experience or knowledge it can be attributed to my age (I am probably
older than most of you), I spent a great deal of time in "formal education" (because I didn't want to go out and actually work), I've read a few books
and more than anything, my Dad was somewhat of a true Renaissance Man who used breakfast and dinner to lecture to the family in a Socrates like manner.
We were discussing politics, history, religion, classical music, and any other serious topic (nothing to do with how narrow you guys think Phil Heath is). We never spoke
about "normal" stuff. It was as if you were in a small, private college class at a table with a professor who was giving you a lecture.
The fact, if it is indeed a fact, that Pellius hasn't competed is only a reflection of his desire not to deal with the crap that goes along with competing and nothing else. I was
honest when I listed the 2 reasons why I compete and once I prove to myself what it is I need to prove, I doubt I will continue to compete.
I wrote that I was the one who has been training for 25 years. I would surmise that Pellius has more time in than do I.
And Che, just so you and I are clear, I am a 2-Time World Champion in BJJ for whatever that is worth.
Harley
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That really made me laugh aloud. You guys are very funny. Perhaps it's a joke that GetBiggers don't have much game
with the ladies but a sense of humor goes a very long way with the ladies.
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That really made me laugh aloud. You guys are very funny. Perhaps it's a joke that GetBiggers don't have much game
with the ladies but a sense of humor goes a very long way with the ladies.
I'd bet a few here have more restraining orders against them than they have game.
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I'd bet a few here have more restraining orders against them than they have game.
A restraining order only means you are trying.
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I found something that I must've previously written in response to a question from Old School Lifter when I first tried to come onto the site.
I wrote about my interaction and thoughts regarding Nasser.
I was educated about "bumping" so I guess you can find it somewhere out there.
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Hey Guys,
Let's take a deep breath. I in no way, shape or means am even within the same universe as "knowing everything."
I actually pride myself amongst lawyers as being the most willing to respond, in open court, with "I don't know." I've asked numerous questions of you guys too.
If I have what some might perceive as a bit wider breadth of experience or knowledge it can be attributed to my age (I am probably
older than most of you), I spent a great deal of time in "formal education" (because I didn't want to go out and actually work), I've read a few books
and more than anything, my Dad was somewhat of a true Renaissance Man who used breakfast and dinner to lecture to the family in a Socrates like manner.
We were discussing politics, history, religion, classical music, and any other serious topic (nothing to do with how narrow you guys think Phil Heath is). We never spoke
about "normal" stuff. It was as if you were in a small, private college class at a table with a professor who was giving you a lecture.
The fact, if it is indeed a fact, that Pellius hasn't competed is only a reflection of his desire not to deal with the crap that goes along with competing and nothing else. I was
honest when I listed the 2 reasons why I compete and once I prove to myself what it is I need to prove, I doubt I will continue to compete.
I wrote that I was the one who has been training for 25 years. I would surmise that Pellius has more time in than do I.
And Che, just so you and I are clear, I am a 2-Time World Champion in BJJ for whatever that is worth.
Harley
it is funny that this is a thread about you, and in it you have expressed your interests, hobbies and the like. people are asking you questions about the specific things that you have shown interest in. and of course you are going to have a greater than average knowledge/awareness of these subjects; as you seem like someone who (whom, that?) gets deeply into subjects that interest you. so answering questions on these subjects would far from make you a know-it-all. just a benevolent person that is willing to share his life experience.
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it is funny that this is a thread about you, and in it you have expressed your interests, hobbies and the like. people are asking you questions about the specific things that you have shown interest in. and of course you are going to have a greater than average knowledge/awareness of these subjects; as you seem like someone who (whom, that?) gets deeply into subjects that interest you. so answering questions on these subjects would far from make you a know-it-all. just a benevolent person that is willing to share his life experience.
Yeah, no one's dissin Harley (yet). Just pellius. ;D
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it is funny that this is a thread about you, and in it you have expressed your interests, hobbies and the like. people are asking you questions about the specific things that you have shown interest in. and of course you are going to have a greater than average knowledge/awareness of these subjects; as you seem like someone who (whom, that?) gets deeply into subjects that interest you. so answering questions on these subjects would far from make you a know-it-all. just a benevolent person that is willing to share his life experience.
Dear Hazbin,
Thank you very much.
And to answer your grammatical question: Any time you refer to a person, you NEVER use "that" but rather, who or whom.
Your sentence would read "...like someone who..."
Harley
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Yeah, no one's dissin Harley (yet). Just pellius. ;D
May be a first for getbig.
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Dear Chaos,
You guys ask the right questions and you will "diss" me as per my answers.
Harley
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May be a first for getbig.
Hard to diss a guy that's straight up honest and backs his shit up. :(
Dear Chaos,
You guys ask the right questions and you will "diss" me as per my answers.
Harley
Someone will ask the right question eventually..... :D
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My favorite bodybuilders of all time are:
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Mohamed Makkawy
Paul Jean Guillaume
Rory Leidelmeyer
Flex Wheeler
Lee Labrada
Kevin Levrone
Paul Dillett
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Rory and Levrone... good list!
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Mohamed Makkawy
Paul Jean Guillaume
Rory Leidelmeyer
Flex Wheeler
Lee Labrada
Kevin Levrone
Paul Dillett
Screenshotted and sent to Craigs email...
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Screenshotted and sent to Craigs email...
Craig is pretty secure with himself and laughs all the time when I joke about how Paul Jean would crush him on stage. Craig just responds with,
"And how much did he weigh on stage?"
Our "favorites" have as much to do with when we became a fan of bodybuilding and some to do with how we see ourselves. I was introduced to
bodybuilding at age 12 so the magazines I first saw were much different than those of today in that many of the photos I saw of bodybuilders were
taken in more natural settings. The guys weren't dressed up in work boots and crazy clothes. Pictures of Frank Zane showed how he looked just
walking around the gym or even in his house or on the street walking around. He wasn't "pumped" for every photo and he didn't appear to be screaming
during each rep. The gym shots made you feel as if you were doing just what they were doing. The magazines were also not dominated by advertising
that all appeared the same. Today, how many different ways can they photograph a gallon of whey?
Bodybuilding just seemed simpler back then and the guys seemed like they trained together a bit more, were friendlier with one another and just more
approachable.
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My post was aimed at you pumping up pellius as some sort of tough guy, badass because he's trained for 25 years, I only mentioned you because you have competed, pellius has not. Wouldn't you agree there is a huge difference between training in a gym and being in a competition/street fight where the other person is legitimately trying to hurt you?
You came in second at that tournament in the video posted above, that's about as close to the top as you can get without being #1.
Reading comprehension could use some work. ;)
You know I've never competed, how? Beginning from the mid 1990s I've competed 3-4 times a year over a period of ten years. A few of these were actual NHB matches held on Indian Reservations. The rules were a lot looser than than the already liberal rules of the UFC at that time.
Never did the Mundials but did do the Pan Ams.
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Just when I thought my admiration of Pellius had reached its height, we get this.
Pellius is exactly correct about the fights that were made on those Indian Reservations back in the early days. You were lucky to be
paid $300 for the fight and the rules, or should I say, lack thereof, were rarely enforced. That was for guys who really wanted to test themselves.
Uriah Faber talks about that scene in his book which is part Joel Osteen, part Tony Robbins and part really kool.
I keep telling you guys, Pellius is no joke. And to compete in the BJJ Pan Ams? Many say those are even more difficult than the Mundials.
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Please don't think I am ignoring your question.
It is what I would've thought was the very first question you guys would've asked me and it is, the one
which will provoke the most disbelief and argument.
Let me get myself feeling a little better today (I practiced guillotine escapes last night and honestly, my throat is closed and in a
great deal of pain- Yes, I know I sound like a little bitch but I promised to be honest at all times while on GetBig).
When I feel a bit better, I am going to answer this with all seriousness no matter how pissed you guys get.
But remember, I don't have horse in the race. I am not sponsored by anyone, I don't compete and I don't make any money
by coming here and expressing what are only my views and no one else's.
Harley
Dear Harley
hope your throat is recovering and eagerly wait your no holds barred reply on steroid use/'amounts/doses by pros.
also what is this Bruce Lee T Shirt you speak of?
I thought you only wear the "T Michel " tanks ;D
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Just when I thought my admiration of Pellius had reached its height, we get this.
Pellius is exactly correct about the fights that were made on those Indian Reservations back in the early days. You were lucky to be
paid $300 for the fight and the rules, or should I say, lack thereof, were rarely enforced. That was for guys who really wanted to test themselves.
Uriah Faber talks about that scene in his book which is part Joel Osteen, part Tony Robbins and part really kool.
I keep telling you guys, Pellius is no joke. And to compete in the BJJ Pan Ams? Many say those are even more difficult than the Mundials.
Harley
real life accomplishments hold little weight on here in comparison to 'owning' someone from a keyboard.
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Dear Harley
hope your throat is recovering and eagerly wait your no holds barred reply on steroid use/'amounts/doses by pros.
also what is this Bruce Lee T Shirt you speak of?
I thought you only wear the "T Michel " tanks ;D
Dear Old School Lifter,
I came across a response I wrote to you in regard to you asking me about Nasser. I must have typed it first as a file and then copied and pasted it
onto GetBig during my first tour.
My throat is a damn mess and it's my fault for practicing guillotine escapes last night.
Oh, the legendary Bruce Lee T-Shirt? Big bucks when I find it. It was purple with his image and nothing is kooler than purple and Bruce Lee.
T Michael clothes represent a by gone era when bodybuilders had their own look and you dressed like that if you trained seriously. It was comfortable too.
I am working on a Motion on behalf of my Juvenile Special Needs client as a result of some Prosecutor being a rude bitch to me. I told her I would do this and
I am keeping my word.
Your question will soon be addressed, I promise.
Harley
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Interesting stories about Dillett, i remember he always thanked his jamaican mother for the calves, not his white father... Dear mr Breite, any inside stories regarding fixed matches in MMA? UFC or Pride... I'm friend with a known Renzo's student, nothing but good and nice things for him, seems really a great guy...
Actually, I was talking about Benny.
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Just when I thought my admiration of Pellius had reached its height, we get this.
Pellius is exactly correct about the fights that were made on those Indian Reservations back in the early days. You were lucky to be
paid $300 for the fight and the rules, or should I say, lack thereof, were rarely enforced. That was for guys who really wanted to test themselves.
Uriah Faber talks about that scene in his book which is part Joel Osteen, part Tony Robbins and part really kool.
I keep telling you guys, Pellius is no joke. And to compete in the BJJ Pan Ams? Many say those are even more difficult than the Mundials.
I'm in my fifties now and hardly a beast on the mat these days. I can literally start from my big toe and work my way up to my head and practically every part of me has been injured in some way: ankles, knees, torn quad, broken ribs (about four to five times each side)....
It's the knees, lower back, and shoulders that give me the most and constant problems.
I once had my shoulder come completely out of my socket with my hand hanging down to past my knee. Shockingly, Rickson knew exactly what to do and popped it right back in. With the surgery and rehab I was out for about a year. I also used that time to fixed a torn menicus that I've been putting off. I figure if you are going to do the shoulder might as well do the knee. :)
And thanks for the compliments but you are just putting a target on my back. This board is great in that you get to talk about anything but there is a lot of negativity here. Most people are not living the lives they had imagine and it makes them resentful and deal with it by bringing others done. They really resent other people's success. Believe me, there are people on this thread right now just waiting and hoping to see you fall. Then they will all come out of the wood work. Notice many of chaos remarks ("no one is dissing you (yet)). He's just waiting and hoping to pounce He's one of those that literally lives on this board, really does nothing else in his life, and just takes pot shots at people.
He'll leave you alone until he feels the tide is turning against you. Then he'll hop on the band wagon. Meanwhile, you'll just a lot of these: ::)
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Harley
real life accomplishments hold little weight on here in comparison to 'owning' someone from a keyboard.
That was actually funny as hell. ;D
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Dear Old School Lifter,
I came across a response I wrote to you in regard to you asking me about Nasser. I must have typed it first as a file and then copied and pasted it
onto GetBig during my first tour.
My throat is a damn mess and it's my fault for practicing guillotine escapes last night.
Oh, the legendary Bruce Lee T-Shirt? Big bucks when I find it. It was purple with his image and nothing is kooler than purple and Bruce Lee.
T Michael clothes represent a by gone era when bodybuilders had their own look and you dressed like that if you trained seriously. It was comfortable too.
I am working on a Motion on behalf of my Juvenile Special Needs client as a result of some Prosecutor being a rude bitch to me. I told her I would do this and
I am keeping my word.
Your question will soon be addressed, I promise.
Harley
Dear Harley
greatly appreciate your input on getbig.
I know you are a very busy guy so wait patiently for your valued replies.
and yes, your insights into Nasser were very interesting!
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I'm in my fifties now and hardly a beast on the mat these days. I can literally start from my big toe and work my way up to my head and practically every part of me has been injured in some way: ankles, knees, torn quad, broken ribs (about four to five times each side)....
It's the knees, lower back, and shoulders that give me the most and constant problems.
I once had my shoulder come completely out of my socket with my hand hanging down to past my knee. Shockingly, Rickson knew exactly what to do and popped it right back in. With the surgery and rehab I was out for about a year. I also used that time to fixed a torn menicus that I've been putting off. I figure if you are going to do the shoulder might as well do the knee. :)
And thanks for the compliments but you are just putting a target on my back. This board is great in that you get to talk about anything but there is a lot of negativity here. Most people are not living the lives they had imagine and it makes them resentful and deal with it by bringing others done. They really resent other people's success. Believe me, there are people on this thread right now just waiting and hoping to see you fall. Then they will all come out of the wood work. Notice many of chaos remarks ("no one is dissing you (yet)). He's just waiting and hoping to pounce He's one of those that literally lives on this board, really does nothing else in his life, and just takes pot shots at people.
He'll leave you alone until he feels the tide is turning against you. Then he'll hop on the band wagon. Meanwhile, you'll just a lot of these: ::)
Dear Pellius,
The injuries and pain of which you speak are shared here too. Age is no one's friend, especially if you've taken your body to its respective limit either in the gym, mat or cage. My feet are perhaps the ugliest
on the planet after breaking all my toes so many times, I don't even count anymore. All of my ribs, both sides have been broken and I proudly display my hospital wrist band after barely surviving my
Kick-Boxing Black Belt Test. My right hand has been broken twice, once on a guy's elbow and once on someone's shin. My knees ache and my back feels as if it has been run over.
BUT!!! You did it!!!! You lived part of your dream!!! You took the road less traveled and you can't deny the pride you have in that.
I don't mean to "put a target" on your back. Why don't people embrace what you've done and ask about it? It's not a failure on their part that you have done what you've done. Not everyone is given
that opportunity or put in the right place at the right time. It's not an indictment against those who did NOT do what you've done but merely recognizing what you DID accomplish.
Very few of us live the lives to which we aspired and that does cause some internal resentment but the resentment should remain just that, internal. It shouldn't be directed at others who have nothing to do
with your own circumstances. Also, they shouldn't let that resentment eat them up. Life is too short, too fragile. There are just too many things to accomplish. Also, accomplishments are relative to those
achieving them. Me getting on stage in a hot body contest on Spring Break when I was 23 is for me, like having won Mr. Olympia. I am just thrilled with that and I don't resent Phil Heath for his titles.
If anyone really is "waiting and hoping to see me fall" then they need not wait any longer. I fall everyday. I hurt everyday. I lost my Dad, 3 dogs, I stress to make money, I hate my current physical condition, etc.
But falling is also relative. I go spend an afternoon with one of my "Harley's Kids" and I can't help but again realize that my worst fall is nothing compared to the unfair hardships life deals out to so many who
are so much less fortunate than myself.
We are all fighting our own demons and battles especially when we leave the house and have to deal with idiotic bosses, bitches, etc. I would like to think that we can better recognize our shared fight
and have a bit more empathy for one another. That is one reason it's so kool to have this site and come and interact with people who love bodybuilding, wished they looked like Flex Wheeler. love cars, love
motorcycle and do kool things that make me smile by posting pictures of chicks so hot they could melt the sun.
Just my random thought.
Harley
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two quotes I wish I heard before I turned 50
Failure is a bruise, not a tattoo
Regret for things you have done are tempered with time, regrets for things we did not do are inconsolable.
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Dear Pellius,
The injuries and pain of which you speak are shared here too. Age is no one's friend, especially if you've taken your body to its respective limit either in the gym, mat or cage. My feet are perhaps the ugliest
on the planet after breaking all my toes so many times, I don't even count anymore. All of my ribs, both sides have been broken and I proudly display my hospital wrist band after barely surviving my
Kick-Boxing Black Belt Test. My right hand has been broken twice, once on a guy's elbow and once on someone's shin. My knees ache and my back feels as if it has been run over.
BUT!!! You did it!!!! You lived part of your dream!!! You took the road less traveled and you can't deny the pride you have in that.
I don't mean to "put a target" on your back. Why don't people embrace what you've done and ask about it? It's not a failure on their part that you have done what you've done. Not everyone is given
that opportunity or put in the right place at the right time. It's not an indictment against those who did NOT do what you've done but merely recognizing what you DID accomplish.
Very few of us live the lives to which we aspired and that does cause some internal resentment but the resentment should remain just that, internal. It shouldn't be directed at others who have nothing to do
with your own circumstances. Also, they shouldn't let that resentment eat them up. Life is too short, too fragile. There are just too many things to accomplish. Also, accomplishments are relative to those
achieving them. Me getting on stage in a hot body contest on Spring Break when I was 23 is for me, like having won Mr. Olympia. I am just thrilled with that and I don't resent Phil Heath for his titles.
If anyone really is "waiting and hoping to see me fall" then they need not wait any longer. I fall everyday. I hurt everyday. I lost my Dad, 3 dogs, I stress to make money, I hate my current physical condition, etc.
But falling is also relative. I go spend an afternoon with one of my "Harley's Kids" and I can't help but again realize that my worst fall is nothing compared to the unfair hardships life deals out to so many who
are so much less fortunate than myself.
We are all fighting our own demons and battles especially when we leave the house and have to deal with idiotic bosses, bitches, etc. I would like to think that we can better recognize our shared fight
and have a bit more empathy for one another. That is one reason it's so kool to have this site and come and interact with people who love bodybuilding, wished they looked like Flex Wheeler. love cars, love
motorcycle and do kool things that make me smile by posting pictures of chicks so hot they could melt the sun.
Just my random thought.
Harley
Thank you for your very thoughtful response.
Most people aren't living their ideal life -- living their dream. But I learned early on that this world isn't about keeping me happy and fulfilled. Coming from a big family and being religiously grounded helps a lot. In a big family you learn that from the get go that you're nothing special and it's not all about you. With religion you believe that most of things that you think are so important in life mean little or nothing on your death bed. Your judgment day.
“God will not look you over for medals, degrees or diplomas but for scars.”
― Elbert Hubbard
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Thank you for your very thoughtful response.
Most people aren't living their ideal life -- living their dream. But I learned early on that this world isn't about keeping me happy and fulfilled. Coming from a big family and being religiously grounded helps a lot. In a big family you learn that from the get go that you're nothing special and it's not all about you. With religion you believe that most of things that you think are so important in life mean little or nothing on your death bed. Your judgment day.
“God will not look you over for medals, degrees or diplomas but for scars.”
― Elbert Hubbard
Dear Pellius,
Yours is quite an insightful perspective. I am glad that your religious beliefs have given you both strength and comfort.
I cannot derive those benefits from the same source as you, as I am an atheist but that doesn't mean I can't agree on some of the basic tenets.
I will respectfully differ on the notion that we ourselves are nothing special. The concept of "special" can denote different ideals and some of them are
admittedly, self aggrandizing and self centered but it can also serve to inspire thought, question, progress and individuality in some who think that they
are, in some way, "special." Special need not mean better, but rather, different.
As far as the quote from Hubbard, as long as he is correct about the presence of God and God's concern for any of us when this all ends, I seem to have
all of what he mentioned covered for better or worse.
Harley
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Regret for things you have done are tempered with time, regrets for things we did not do are inconsolable.
That is the best thing I have read in a very long time.
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^Yes, great quote.
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Dear Pellius,
Yours is quite an insightful perspective. I am glad that your religious beliefs have given you both strength and comfort.
I cannot derive those benefits from the same source as you, as I am an atheist but that doesn't mean I can't agree on some of the basic tenets.
I will respectfully differ on the notion that we ourselves are nothing special. The concept of "special" can denote different ideals and some of them are
admittedly, self aggrandizing and self centered but it can also serve to inspire thought, question, progress and individuality in some who think that they
are, in some way, "special." Special need not mean better, but rather, different.
As far as the quote from Hubbard, as long as he is correct about the presence of God and God's concern for any of us when this all ends, I seem to have
all of what he mentioned covered for better or worse.
Harley
I don't mean special in the sense that you are better than others. That you are entitled to be treated as special. And I want to be emphasized the word "entitled". There are some out there for various reason should be treated as special. I mean, when they carted Reagan into the hospital after being shot I'm sure everyone was on high alert. I showed Rickson more reverence (for lack of a better word) as my instructor and how he has distinguished himself in his field more than I would a classmate. I always made sure that I stood up when I greeted him.
But that would be different if Rickson walked around like he was some god and that people should bow down to him. That he felt entitled to be treated special.
I have a feeling life has embittered him somewhat and he has grown distrustful of people. With you, I am very surprised because you are a friend of the family and a friend to one that is closest to Rickson -- his brother, Royler.
We are all unique and special in a sense that there is nobody else like you or me. But when you step on the mat for some free training you're just like everybody else and if you think that just because you were this or that colored belt is going to get you special treatment, well it reminds me of a friend when he got his Black Belt from Rickson. After the ceremony and the hugs, high fives and back slapping he whispered to me, "Now I have a target on my back."
Everyone wants a shot at tapping or at least "hanging" with a Black Belt.
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Dear Pellius,
I like to think of competing as "The Great Equalizer" in that, at that very moment when the referee lets you go, nothing external matters.
The car I drive is irrelevant. How many languages I speak is irrelevant. My bank is irrelevant. The watch I wear is irrelevant. How many gorgeous woman with whom I have
struck out is irrelevant.
All that stuff that gives us comfort, that gives us "respect" from others, all of it just flies out the window.
I despise all these guys at the gym who HAVE TO walk up to every other guy and shake his hand and ask, "how are you doing"? What is it about these guys
that makes them so insecure that they need that validation from other guys in the gym to make them feel as if they are kool, accepted or actually accomplishing
something during their time at the gym? I find it pathetic.
Strip away all the material things and see how comfortable you (not you, Pellius, I mean "you" in the general sense) feel about yourself. Do you like yourself?
Are you proud of yourself? Is it your car or your watch or your big house that makes you proud of yourself and gives you self esteem? If it is, that is ok, too.
But that doesn't work for all of us. It's just not enough for some of us.
When I compete in Brasil, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not Craig's Training Partner, I'm not wealthy. I'm nothing but the same potential as my opponent.
I wish I could better explain just how cathartic that makes me feel. Color, race, occupation, wealth, possessions, having or not having a hot chick don't matter at all.
It is so liberating to be cut down to your primordial base and see exactly how you feel and respond to stress.
Once I conquered that fear, I was good to go. I silently laugh at judges and others who yell at me because I feel as if I have already conquered my inner self, or at least
I am further down that road than those who are yelling at me will ever be.
Harley
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“God will not look you over for medals, degrees or diplomas but for scars.”
― Elbert Hubbard
Cute quote but how does he know this ???
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The Harley/pellius novels are going to be epic....if we could just get them to post in purple.
Harley, don't pay no mind to pellius, he's still sore from his days of being raped as a jedi elf wizard thingy. Unlike pellius you've proven your words over and over, gets major kudos to put it out there like you have, pellius on the other hand just talks a mean game and has never proven a single claim.
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Dear Chaos,
I think you are mistaken. I have great respect for Pellius and all that he has accomplished.
I appreciate his well-thought and sincere responses and the way he provokes me to think.
I most appreciate the fact that he doesn't force his religion or any other beliefs upon me in some effort to convince me and others
to think the way he does. So many other people on the planet feel the need to convince others that their own opinion must be correct.
Pellius seems to live and let live and he hasn't been antagonistic to any of my claims, ideas, theories, or even my lifestyle.
I appreciate that in any one.
I would like to buy him a drink at the Olympia but I am sure he would not attend such a scene in need of utter repair as is that weekend.
For that matter, I would like to buy any GetBigger a drink at the Olympia Weekend as a sign of friendship and appreciation.
And yes, I picked up on the GetBig thing that I should write "no homo" when making any such invitation. Of course, if there were a GetBigger who
looked like my favorite Random Pics chicks, the "no homo" would go without say.
Harley
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Far too much pellius history to rehash here.
Careful with those random pic chicks, they may come with an extra package if you know what I mean. ;)
Edit: Favorite cigar and whiskey?
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Far too much pellius history to rehash here.
To each his own. Live and let live
Careful with those random pic chicks, they may come with an extra package if you know what I mean. ;)
The ones I like have no package. Baggage, I'm sure, but package, no.
Edit: Favorite cigar and whiskey?
I don't smoke or drink whiskey which is only sure to draw more of your ire.
I have too many vices to pick up smoking and drinking.
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Cute quote but how does he know this ???
Faith, my friend, faith. Belief in a God or belief in no God cannot be proven. These are issues of faith.
But I do know that on my death bed I won't be thinking about things I've acquired in life. What kind of car I had, or house, or watch, or shoes, how much money is in my pocket....
It keeps things in perspective for me when I determine what's important in life and the decisions I make.
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Harley, this may be an inappropriate and/or awkward question for you
so no problem if you want to give this one a pass but, in your opinion, why do you think Jews are so disproportionately successful and intelligent?
As a fair warning, this board is primarily anti-semitic.
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More of my ire? No, not at all! I commend you for putting yourself out there 100%, for your patience in answering questions, learning to post pics, sharing your videos and experiences here. I have zero emotion in my posts, so there is no ire. Quite the opposite, Harley. I am only asking questions like all the others. I myself, do enjoy a nice Cuban cigar several nights a week.
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Harley, this may be an inappropriate and/or awkward question for you
so no problem if you want to give this one a pass but, in your opinion, why do you think Jews are so disproportionately successful and intelligent?
As a fair warning, this board is primarily anti-semitic.
Do you really think this is true?
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Do you really think this is true?
Well, at least they are the most vocal.
As far as I can tell, only Coach and myself has been open about our support of Israel.
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More of my ire? No, not at all! I commend you for putting yourself out there 100%, for your patience in answering questions, learning to post pics, sharing your videos and experiences here. I have zero emotion in my posts, so there is no ire. Quite the opposite, Harley. I am only asking questions like all the others. I myself, do enjoy a nice Cuban cigar several nights a week.
Are these available now without all the sneaky-sneaky?
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More of my ire? No, not at all! I commend you for putting yourself out there 100%, for your patience in answering questions, learning to post pics, sharing your videos and experiences here. I have zero emotion in my posts, so there is no ire. Quite the opposite, Harley. I am only asking questions like all the others. I myself, do enjoy a nice Cuban cigar several nights a week.
ho ho ho ... never any ire or emotion. put you well in your place stud.. :D
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Harley, this may be an inappropriate and/or awkward question for you
so no problem if you want to give this one a pass but, in your opinion, why do you think Jews are so disproportionately successful and intelligent?
As a fair warning, this board is primarily anti-semitic.
Dear Pellius,
When I returned to GetBig recently, I promised that if I felt I were treated just fairly, I would try to answer almost every question without turning away
from the hard or uncomfortable ones and always answer honestly. Your question centers on a topic I will not shy from IF asked so here goes;
My answer is that the reason for the disproportionate amount of success and intelligence from Jewish people stems from a combination of culture and genetics.
Let's take genetics first as it is the most hostile position of my two part answer. I do believe there is a genetic component to intelligence and a people who have
been around for over 5,700 years (and again, this is not meant to start a debate with Wiggs as I do respect his beliefs) who have been nothing but a target for total
evisceration from majority to majority must have some element of genetic intelligence in order to continually survive. Coming to grips with the fact that a certain race,
ethnicity or people from a particular part of the world hold some genetic advantage to others from different parts of the world shouldn't shock the rational mind. If you lived
in the middle of Africa you had better develop the ability to run faster and longer and go longer distances without water. If you lived in the Arctic like an Eskimo you had better
develop some trait to help you adapt to the environment quicker than those who live in Aruba. Every one has different genetic and biological advantages with which they are born
and we need to embrace and maximize them, rather than exploit them as marks of differentiation or even alleged superiority. Darwin's "Origin of Species" is seminal in explaining
and demonstrating the importance of adaptation in order to survive. Darwin did not say, "the strongest survive." He said that those who are best at adaptation (the ability to change
over time to better survive circumstance and environment) will survive as a species.
As for culture well, that is easy. Jews for the most part don't encourage or even accept their children having dreams of become professional athletes, rappers, singers, actors, etc.
In my household, it was always said that I would become a doctor, dentist or lawyer and that was the hierarchy of prestige. My sister would become a teacher like my Mom. It's a culture
that rewards and promotes a reverence for scholarship, not home runs in little league. Don't for a moment think that the idea of doing worse than my first cousins on my SAT didn't petrify my poor
mom who was unfortunately caught up in the senseless competition of all that. Of course there are exceptions within the few million Jews who live in America but that only serves to
prove the rule. Positive reinforcement and ego development are based upon scholastic achievement and that is the culture. People are free to argue if it is for the better or for the worse.
Having said that, I do always like to joke that Christians place their faith in a Jewish "only son" who left his mother to become a carpenter. Of course, I kid when I say that but the idea relates
more to what Jewish people have attempted to achieve over the years and where they place their efforts. Nobel Prizes just mean more to them than Grammy's or Super Bowl rings.
Harley
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Well, at least they are the most vocal.
As far as I can tell, only Coach and myself has been open about our support of Israel.
Go back and read some of the old threads. You two are hardly the only ones.
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Are these available now without all the sneaky-sneaky?
I don't know, I have some friends bring them by the box, never been stopped or confiscated.
ho ho ho ... never any ire or emotion. put you well in your place stud.. :D
My place? Maybe you should scram back to oldtimer1's sack where you're comfortable, the men are talking up here.
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I don't know, I have some friends bring them by the box, never been stopped or confiscated.
My place? Maybe you should scram back to oldtimer1's sack where you're comfortable, the men are talking up here.
you were trying to be the big man as normal and a better man put you in your place. Deal with it Chaos. I know you think you are "God" on here but you are in that Man's shadow. I certainly have respect for him although BJJ is not my style. i understand Judo though very well.
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you were trying to be the big man as normal and a better man put you in your place. Deal with it Chaos. I know you think you are "God" on here but you are in that Man's shadow. I certainly have respect for him although BJJ is not my style. i understand Judo though very well.
Once again you have no idea what you're talking about and this is not the thread for this.
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Please don't ruin Harleys thread with this childish stuff, Donny. :)
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How's Craig doing Harley? Has he brought his triceps up?
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Dear Pellius,
When I returned to GetBig recently, I promised that if I felt I were treated just fairly, I would try to answer almost every question without turning away
from the hard or uncomfortable ones and always answer honestly. Your question centers on a topic I will not shy from IF asked so here goes;
My answer is that the reason for the disproportionate amount of success and intelligence from Jewish people stems from a combination of culture and genetics.
Let's take genetics first as it is the most hostile position of my two part answer. I do believe there is a genetic component to intelligence and a people who have
been around for over 5,700 years (and again, this is not meant to start a debate with Wiggs as I do respect his beliefs) who have been nothing but a target for total
evisceration from majority to majority must have some element of genetic intelligence in order to continually survive. Coming to grips with the fact that a certain race,
ethnicity or people from a particular part of the world hold some genetic advantage to others from different parts of the world shouldn't shock the rational mind. If you lived
in the middle of Africa you had better develop the ability to run faster and longer and go longer distances without water. If you lived in the Arctic like an Eskimo you had better
develop some trait to help you adapt to the environment quicker than those who live in Aruba. Every one has different genetic and biological advantages with which they are born
and we need to embrace and maximize them, rather than exploit them as marks of differentiation or even alleged superiority. Darwin's "Origin of Species" is seminal in explaining
and demonstrating the importance of adaptation in order to survive. Darwin did not say, "the strongest survive." He said that those who are best at adaptation (the ability to change
over time to better survive circumstance and environment) will survive as a species.
As for culture well, that is easy. Jews for the most part don't encourage or even accept their children having dreams of become professional athletes, rappers, singers, actors, etc.
In my household, it was always said that I would become a doctor, dentist or lawyer and that was the hierarchy of prestige. My sister would become a teacher like my Mom. It's a culture
that rewards and promotes a reverence for scholarship, not home runs in little league. Don't for a moment think that the idea of doing worse than my first cousins on my SAT didn't petrify my poor
mom who was unfortunately caught up in the senseless competition of all that. Of course there are exceptions within the few million Jews who live in America but that only serves to
prove the rule. Positive reinforcement and ego development are based upon scholastic achievement and that is the culture. People are free to argue if it is for the better or for the worse.
Having said that, I do always like to joke that Christians place their faith in a Jewish "only son" who left his mother to become a carpenter. Of course, I kid when I say that but the idea relates
more to what Jewish people have attempted to achieve over the years and where they place their efforts. Nobel Prizes just mean more to them than Grammy's or Super Bowl rings.
Harley
I'm not one for reading long, drawn out responses but this one is spot on, agree 100%
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Please don't ruin Harleys thread with this childish stuff, Donny. :)
Why are you threatening with a Ban ?(per PM) i was commenting on a post.
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What do you know about Martial arts to call me a Troll ?
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Actually, I was talking about Benny.
LOL, interesting that Dillett said the same regarding his calves, i got derailed... Great list of bodybuilders mr Breite, i can relate, especially with Freakenstein and Leidelmeyer...
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What do you know about Martial arts to call me a Troll ?
Solid PM and very fair in your response.
By the way, my stance isn't just particular to Be There, he and I also go way back. My stance is with regards to everyone.
Harley, Stuntmovie & Tony Doherty are absolute treasures in my eyes. These guys have a world of knowledge and experience to share with everyone. Those are the kind of men that should be allowed to share without the incessant trolling that occurs here every day.
Let them share and those that appreciate and have questions, feel free to comment. If there is nothing positive to say in their particular threads, just leave it be.
There are hundreds, if not thousands of threads, all over the site where free trolling can occur with any major consequence.
"1"
This is not a threat, but a promise to you. If you keep trying to fuck up every single thread with your damn negativity, you will be permanently removed.
First and last warning. If you don't like the site, get the fuck out of here. I'd much rather have people like Harley here that have something to share besides negativity and incessant trolling. At least the guy does something more with his life than to shit on everyone's sunshine.
"1"
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who is trolling ? I pointed out a fact that chaos knows nothing about martial arts and wrote about drinking whisky and cigars. This fact was pointed out to him and he answered. IF Chaos has no understanding of martial arts why his dumb comments?
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who is trolling ? I pointed out a fact that chaos knows nothing about martial arts and wrote about drinking whisky and cigars. This fact was pointed out to him and he answered. IF Chaos has no understanding of martial arts why his dumb comments?
Shhhhhhhh.
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Go back and read some of the old threads. You two are hardly the only ones.
Lol, exactly. What site are you thinking of, pellius? Not this one.
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Dear Gentlemen,
Today was another victory for the Accused. The State had charged my 15 year old "Special Needs" client with shooting another "Special Needs" 15
year old 3 times in the arm with a soft air gun and then throwing him in a lake and not permitting him to come out of the water.
During our First Appearance approximately 2 weeks ago, I was met by an obnoxious and conceited female Assistant Prosecutor who sought a guilty plea
and probation from my client. I suggested we dismiss the case provided there are no additional problems within the next 6 months. That offer was rudely
rejected. What pissed me off more than her believing she was beautiful and could get any guy in the building (no implants so not even a thought came to my mind)
was the fact that she knew I was coming to court while caring for my Mom in the hospital pre-surgery and she never once asked how my Mom was doing. In fact,
the Assistant Prosecutor would not mail nor fax me the 2 pages of Discovery and thus forced me to leave the hospital and appear in court.
I told her that if she didn't accept my counter offer I would appear next time with Motions (requests to the court) to provide every single school, DYFS, medical, psychiatric and
behavioral record of the "victim." In addition, I would come to court with legal briefs already done and prepared for the Judge's review. She scoffed and said the motions would never
be granted. I said, "Well that is why we have judges to decide those issues."
I stayed up for 2 nights and did all the work I promised her I would do. When I showed up in Court today, I could barely speak due to my throat having been repeatedly crushed the other
night at BJJ (I was specifically working Guillotine Defenses). I whispered to her "Has your plea offer changed?" to which she responded "no." I then handed her a stack of motions along with
a legal brief and walked away. After 5 minutes of reading, she approached me and countered with "If your client pleads guilty I will offer him just probation." I said, "No. He isn't pleading guilty
to anything." She said, "fine" and walked away. As the case was called, she then offered me no guilty plea, no criminal record and only a letter of apology from my client. My client accepted.
Once again, when you stand up to a bully and do the work they aren't willing to do, you can get unexpectedly good results.
Harley
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Trained at Super Training Gym in West Sacramento today. It was 105. 105 is hot, beastly hot.
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Lol, exactly. What site are you thinking of, pellius? Not this one.
Just the typical self-righteous horseshit. Many here have supported Israel over the years.
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How's Craig doing Harley? Has he brought his triceps up?
Dear Neither Animal,
Craig is doing well as he prepares to compete in the 212 Mr. Olympia.
He has been holding his condition for quite some time and actually started his diet 9 months ago. After competing twice already this year
and holding his condition for so long, he is quite tired and ready to get the contest going. Next year will be different in that there won't be
so long a diet. He won't do it and doesn't have to now that Chris Aceto knows his body and has been able to dial him in. Chris has all the top 212
guys in the Mr. Olympia this year so it will be interesting.
As far as Craig's triceps, I think he has brought them up a bit but everyone's body hits its limit and that is all you are going to get out of it.
I talked about this before and I always allude to Shawn Ray. He hit his absolute potential and was not going to get any bigger. That goes for
everybody. Once your body hits its limit, you can take 10,000 mg of test a week and you are not going to get any bigger!!!
I think Craig will be competitive if he can fight off the resistance his body is now giving him for making it hold such a tight condition for so long.
That was probably the one thing I would've changed but it's hard psychologically to get these guys to come off their diets for even a few days once they are
in condition. I just feel that you need to give your body what it needs and if it needs junk food for a short period of time so it doesn't revolt against you, then
you give it several days or even a week. Most guys can recover and their bodies will thank them for the break in the punishment of dieting. But hey, I'm no expert.
Harley
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Trained at Super Training Gym in West Sacramento today. It was 105. 105 is hot, beastly hot.
Was it "Leg Day"?
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No sir. Some cats do squat on Tuesdays at STG but it's officially a deadlift day.
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That is still a very tough day. You seldom see guys doing deadlifts or pull ups.
And when I say "pull ups," I don't mean that swinging around the bars with more momentum than a Tyson upper cut.
I see guys just swinging using no muscle and then acting as if they have done something significant.
Bodybuilding must start with inertia and end in kinetic energy. Not swinging around like a baboon.
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That is still a very tough day. You seldom see guys doing deadlifts or pull ups.
And when I say "pull ups," I don't mean that swinging around the bars with more momentum than a Tyson upper cut.
I see guys just swinging using no muscle and then acting as if they have done something significant.
Bodybuilding must start with inertia and end in kinetic energy. Not swinging around like a baboon.
That makes sense (am I the only person who hasn't heard it put like this before?)
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I just now thought of it in that way. Nothing profound.
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I just now thought of it in that way. Nothing profound.
I think the swinging method alters a person's body in unintended ways. Guys who use that method tend to get a certain look to them, especially arms, and it isn't necessarily complimentary.
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Go back and read some of the old threads. You two are hardly the only ones.
Perhaps, but I've been on this board for almost 15 years and this is the impression I get. Whenever the Israeli/PLO conflict comes up I pretty much stand alone. I'm sure there are some that agree with me. After all, America is one the few nations that openly support Israel (though not so much with Obama and Carter). But they remain larger silent. At least in the threads that I'm on and I always jump in on threads dealing with this topic.
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Dear Gentlemen,
Today was another victory for the Accused. The State had charged my 15 year old "Special Needs" client with shooting another "Special Needs" 15
year old 3 times in the arm with a soft air gun and then throwing him in a lake and not permitting him to come out of the water.
During our First Appearance approximately 2 weeks ago, I was met by an obnoxious and conceited female Assistant Prosecutor who sought a guilty plea
and probation from my client. I suggested we dismiss the case provided there are no additional problems within the next 6 months. That offer was rudely
rejected. What pissed me off more than her believing she was beautiful and could get any guy in the building (no implants so not even a thought came to my mind)
was the fact that she knew I was coming to court while caring for my Mom in the hospital pre-surgery and she never once asked how my Mom was doing. In fact,
the Assistant Prosecutor would not mail nor fax me the 2 pages of Discovery and thus forced me to leave the hospital and appear in court.
I told her that if she didn't accept my counter offer I would appear next time with Motions (requests to the court) to provide every single school, DYFS, medical, psychiatric and
behavioral record of the "victim." In addition, I would come to court with legal briefs already done and prepared for the Judge's review. She scoffed and said the motions would never
be granted. I said, "Well that is why we have judges to decide those issues."
I stayed up for 2 nights and did all the work I promised her I would do. When I showed up in Court today, I could barely speak due to my throat having been repeatedly crushed the other
night at BJJ (I was specifically working Guillotine Defenses). I whispered to her "Has your plea offer changed?" to which she responded "no." I then handed her a stack of motions along with
a legal brief and walked away. After 5 minutes of reading, she approached me and countered with "If your client pleads guilty I will offer him just probation." I said, "No. He isn't pleading guilty
to anything." She said, "fine" and walked away. As the case was called, she then offered me no guilty plea, no criminal record and only a letter of apology from my client. My client accepted.
Once again, when you stand up to a bully and do the work they aren't willing to do, you can get unexpectedly good results.
Harley
Congratulations and sorry about your mother.
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Just the typical self-righteous horseshit. Many here have supported Israel over the years.
Hmm, seems you and Vegas took offense to my comment about this board being somewhat anti-semetic. As I said, I'm pretty sensitive to these issues and keep a close look out for it. That's the impression I get from my years on this board. Just like the impression I get that this board is preoccupied with homosexuality. Since I've been very active on this board for over a decade it seems pointless to tell me to just go back and review previous threads. Which ones? Perhaps you can direct me to threads where both you and Vegas has made the case for Israel. I would be very interested in reading your views.
Here's a recent debate where both your names are lacking. Again, that in an of itself doesn't mean much as it's just one thread but I am always on the look out for supporters of Israel as it's one of the litmus test I use to judge a person's character (love of dogs is another ;D )
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=543888.50
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Dear Pellius,
When I returned to GetBig recently, I promised that if I felt I were treated just fairly, I would try to answer almost every question without turning away
from the hard or uncomfortable ones and always answer honestly. Your question centers on a topic I will not shy from IF asked so here goes;
My answer is that the reason for the disproportionate amount of success and intelligence from Jewish people stems from a combination of culture and genetics.
Let's take genetics first as it is the most hostile position of my two part answer. I do believe there is a genetic component to intelligence and a people who have
been around for over 5,700 years (and again, this is not meant to start a debate with Wiggs as I do respect his beliefs) who have been nothing but a target for total
evisceration from majority to majority must have some element of genetic intelligence in order to continually survive. Coming to grips with the fact that a certain race,
ethnicity or people from a particular part of the world hold some genetic advantage to others from different parts of the world shouldn't shock the rational mind. If you lived
in the middle of Africa you had better develop the ability to run faster and longer and go longer distances without water. If you lived in the Arctic like an Eskimo you had better
develop some trait to help you adapt to the environment quicker than those who live in Aruba. Every one has different genetic and biological advantages with which they are born
and we need to embrace and maximize them, rather than exploit them as marks of differentiation or even alleged superiority. Darwin's "Origin of Species" is seminal in explaining
and demonstrating the importance of adaptation in order to survive. Darwin did not say, "the strongest survive." He said that those who are best at adaptation (the ability to change
over time to better survive circumstance and environment) will survive as a species.
As for culture well, that is easy. Jews for the most part don't encourage or even accept their children having dreams of become professional athletes, rappers, singers, actors, etc.
In my household, it was always said that I would become a doctor, dentist or lawyer and that was the hierarchy of prestige. My sister would become a teacher like my Mom. It's a culture
that rewards and promotes a reverence for scholarship, not home runs in little league. Don't for a moment think that the idea of doing worse than my first cousins on my SAT didn't petrify my poor
mom who was unfortunately caught up in the senseless competition of all that. Of course there are exceptions within the few million Jews who live in America but that only serves to
prove the rule. Positive reinforcement and ego development are based upon scholastic achievement and that is the culture. People are free to argue if it is for the better or for the worse.
Having said that, I do always like to joke that Christians place their faith in a Jewish "only son" who left his mother to become a carpenter. Of course, I kid when I say that but the idea relates
more to what Jewish people have attempted to achieve over the years and where they place their efforts. Nobel Prizes just mean more to them than Grammy's or Super Bowl rings.
Harley
Thank you for your thoughtful and honest (maybe even courageous) response. Most seem willing to accept that virtually all human traits have some genetic influence taking into account everything has it's exceptions. But when it comes to intelligence that's when many balk.
I do think that these genetic traits do evolve among races and ethnicities. I don't think dark skinned people just happened to live in hot sunny climates.
One thing I've noticed with Jewish families is that they love to talk, discuss and debate. I use to love having dinner with a Jewish family I knew when I was living in Cali. Inevitably something would come up and we'd spend hours discussing, debating and arguing (often heated) about it. Politics, popular culture, religion, who was the best boxer, Vietnam, how Bruce Lee would fare in his prime in MMA if he also added BJJ to his skill set.... It was endless.
I feel a lot stems from their religion, ever though these were secular Jews. With Christianity it's the "word of God." You can argue about perceived inconsistencies and injustices but in the end it's because God says so. Not with the Jews. They are constantly battling the finer points of the Talmud and Torah. It seems like they were born and bred to question and debate everything.
I think this fosters critical thinking and independent and creative thought.
Also their reverence for education. It's just expected that you will do well in school and that you will go on to college and the parents plan for it before you are even born. And it's not to major in Ethnic Studies or Art History.
Also, I did note some competitiveness within the immediate family as well as other relatives. The parents seem to feel a real personal stake in how their children do in life, especially compared to how the other children of their relatives do. This seems to foster a drive and discipline that I also see in Asian cultures.
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With Christianity it's the "word of God." You can argue about perceived inconsistencies and injustices but in the end it's because God says so. Not with the Jews. They are constantly battling the finer points of the Talmud and Torah. It seems like they were born and bred to question and debate everything.
I think this fosters critical thinking and independent and creative thought.
Also their reverence for education. It's just expected that you will do well in school and that you will go on to college and the parents plan for it before you are even born. And it's not to major in Ethnic Studies or Art History.
Also, I did note some competitiveness within the immediate family as well as other relatives. The parents seem to feel a real personal stake in how their children do in life, especially compared to how the other children of their relatives do. This seems to foster a drive and discipline that I also see in Asian cultures.
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Dear Pellius,
These are remarkably astute observations especially from someone outside the Jewish religion/culture. I couldn't agree with you more and no Jewish person with whom I
was raised would disagree.
Let me say however, that there is a price to be paid for this and that has a great deal to do with social pressures and failure to assimilate.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
thanks for this quite interesting read.
Which person in bodybuilding impressed you the most and why?
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Dear Harley,
thanks for this quite interesting read.
Which person in bodybuilding impressed you the most and why?
Dear OB1,
I know you won't like my answer but it is my Training Partner Craig Richardson for a plethora of reasons, including, but not limited to, his humbleness,
lack of ego and commitment to his family.
HOWEVER, I will take away my own bias and answer the question as if Craig's name had to be omitted.
I am not sure in what respect you mean "impressed" so I will take the question in this manner:
1) Physique- Paul Dillett and Dennis James. When we all first fell in love with bodybuilding, we were all captivated by physiques which were bigger than life.
We were looking at real-life super-heroes. We wanted to be the mountain of muscle we were looking at. Well, I saw Dillett live, in his prime and he was as if
Stan Lee had created a new character. You had to stare (NO HOMO). Your mouth dropped. How could a human being be so massive and so massive everywhere
(do I really have to write "No Homo" every time on every response?) He just looked inflated but not with oils, insulin or fat. He was "muscle exaggerated."
And Dennis James, well, he really is Mr. Tank Top Olympia. He and I got along ok, not great, but that is for a different question. Craig once competed in Charlotte
and Dennis walked around the whole time in a tank top and basically just convinced everyone he had won the show before he ever hit the stage.
For me, when I think of what I would give to look like one of my favorite bodybuilders, it is frightening, sad and pathetic. Having said that, if I could make the deal,
I would want a physique which, if displayed at a coffee house in any country in the entire world, would draw the awe of men and the sexual desire of women. Dennis
James just might be the king of that (except of course, for Flex Wheeler in his absolute prime). One more point in that I see some heavy debate as to whether or not
women are really sexually attracted to bodybuilders. Please stop fooling yourselves, the answer is YES. If you just want to get laid for the night by a hot girl, the answer is
yes. If you are looking for a quality woman to be there for the long run, then NO.
2) As A Person- If you asked me who impressed me the most as a person, than it is without doubt Nasser. I just found my response to Old Time Lifter from many years ago
as to his asking about my encounters with Nasser. I read it again and was reminded just why he impressed me as a person. He was unique for a bodybuilder.
Harley
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Thank you for your detailed answer.
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I would re-print my "Nasser Response" but was advised about "bumping."
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Where can I read it?
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Hey Guys,
If this is "bumping" I apologize but I did write this myself:
Dear old-school-lifter,
You asked me to share my thoughts on Nasser. Again, I met him only a few times but here they are:
Nasser immediately struck me as different from most bodybuilders in that he didn't need to announce he was the biggest man in the room, he just let nature speak for him. But for his Leviathan physique, his quiet introverted nature would have caused him to become lost in the crowd.
Somehow it came up that my sister was born in Germany and apparently, so was he. I mentioned that I was born in Switzerland and then he took a curiosity as to what my parents were doing in Europe and how I became an American. I explained to him that my Father survived being in Hitler's death camps and actually saw Hitler live, twice. This fascinated Nasser and he asked me all about it. I told him my grandfather was shot at point blank range by a rifle held by an SS member and left for dead. When I told him my grandfather survived and wrote a book, he asked me if I could get him a copy. I joked and said, "You read funny books for a coal-miner." This is a line from W. Somerset Maugham's "The Razor's Edge" and when Nasser said he was familiar with Maugham, he immediately had my complete admiration.
I asked Nasser how many languages he spoke and he joked, "That is a funny question for an American." I told him my Dad spoke 11 languages and played 9 instruments and Nasser was astute enough to state that this is almost always a result of being born in a place in which nations conquer, merge and then dissolve. Nasser talked about the troubles that plagued Egypt but more so of Yugoslavia. He seemed surprised that I even knew where it was. I told Nasser I enjoy studying languages and culture and he laughed when I told him my Godparents live in Pakistan. Ironically, we talked about the Sunni/Shiite issues.
Nasser was a prodigious eater. His plates of food were enormous. I just don't understand how these guys can eat and digest all that food.
Nasser laughed and made fun of guys and seemed to really despise the transparent people in bodybuilding. He complained that there were many fake people and that they would lie to your face just to steal some money or drugs. The topic of gay for pay came up and he heartily laughed at those who sold themselves like that. I got the impression that while bodybuilding was important to him, it remained only part of his lifestyle. He didn't seem to taken in by cars or fancy items, but rather, he seemed intrigued by anyone who claimed to know something about anything. I got the impression that he was looking through you at first and then, if you had any real substance to you, he would look at you and then speak with you.
I found him soft-spoken, polite and intelligent. I don't know who on GetBig hates or likes what bodybuilders but for me, Nasser stood out, both in physical stature and humble intellect.
Harley
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Thank You.
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I would re-print my "Nasser Response" but was advised about "bumping."
Bumping is fine. It's a way to bring back an old topic with renewed interest.
Threads die on their own accord. People move on to other topics and the old threads just drift further and further down the line. Look at some threads like the Random Pictures and Cross Fit girls. They have been going on and getting bumped for years as there is always an interest.
TA has been bumping his Super Bowl thread every year for years now.
No rule against bumping. And if there is a problem the Mods will just lock it.
Bump away.
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Hmm, seems you and Vegas took offense to my comment about this board being somewhat anti-semetic. As I said, I'm pretty sensitive to these issues and keep a close look out for it. That's the impression I get from my years on this board. Just like the impression I get that this board is preoccupied with homosexuality. Since I've been very active on this board for over a decade it seems pointless to tell me to just go back and review previous threads. Which ones? Perhaps you can direct me to threads where both you and Vegas has made the case for Israel. I would be very interested in reading your views.
Here's a recent debate where both your names are lacking. Again, that in an of itself doesn't mean much as it's just one thread but I am always on the look out for supporters of Israel as it's one of the litmus test I use to judge a person's character (love of dogs is another ;D )
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=543888.50
No. You won't see me commenting in those threads, because I'm not going to act as though the situation is clear.
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Bumping is fine. It's a way to bring back an old topic with renewed interest.
Threads die on their own accord. People move on to other topics and the old threads just drift further and further down the line. Look at some threads like the Random Pictures and Cross Fit girls. They have been going on and getting bumped for years as there is always an interest.
TA has been bumping his Super Bowl thread every year for years now.
No rule against bumping. And if there is a problem the Mods will just lock it.
Bump away.
Someone was recently banned or timed-out doing that. But it was for bumping in a way that's different thsn what you did, Harley. Just try to have a legit reason for doing it (no one expects you to have to rewrite that, for instance), and it will be fine.
The guy that got into trouble bumped a lot of threads one right after the next, without cohesive explanation.
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Great stories about El Sonbaty and Dillett mr Breite... I don't want to be disrespectful or too curious, but can i ask about your father's experience in Nazi's death camps? I have few questions...
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Bumping is fine. It's a way to bring back an old topic with renewed interest.
Threads die on their own accord. People move on to other topics and the old threads just drift further and further down the line. Look at some threads like the Random Pictures and Cross Fit girls. They have been going on and getting bumped for years as there is always an interest.
TA has been bumping his Super Bowl thread every year for years now.
No rule against bumping. And if there is a problem the Mods will just lock it.
Bump away.
Dear Pellius,
You are one of my all time favorites but Random Pics, when done properly, will always get my support as it has the most amazing women on the planet and should be left to continue for the ages.
I will say this though, sometimes, I don't understand why people put such disgusting photos on there. The ones of nature are wonderful too.
Harley
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Great stories about El Sonbaty and Dillett mr Breite... I don't want to be disrespectful or too curious, but can i ask about your father's experience in Nazi's death camps? I have few questions...
Dear Alucard,
Thanks for the compliment.
I have no issue in speaking about my Dad's experiences surviving Nazi Germany. He lived in Poland and on September 1, 1939, when Germany invaded,
nothing would ever be the same. My Grandfather would not separate himself from my Dad which was unheard of in those situations and almost always resulted in
the deaths of both dad and son. My Grandfather, Jakob Breitowicz wrote a book which I talked about earlier here I think. It is called "Through Hell To Life" and no, I am not here to pitch
the book. It is not written by a professional writer. Rather, it has to be one of the very earliest accounts of the atrocities committed in Hitler's Death Camps.
My Grandfather was shot by a 19 year old SS soldier named Josef Wurst who shot about 51 prisoners during an evacuation march from the Flossenburg Concentration Camp on April 23, 1945.
He was later tried for war crimes and hanged on October 3, 1947. He shot my Grandfather at point blank range, in the head, with a rifle and left him for dead. My Grandfather got up after he left, swam up a freezing river and hid in a barn until American troops came by on their way to liberate the camps. In the hospital, he began writing his book. I helped him translate it from Polish to English when I was a teenager. He was left blind in one eye and deaf in one ear.
He and his step uncle who was sent to Siberia during the war, met up after the war and were walking down the rubble streets of Germany when there was no more government but only black market economics. All of a sudden, walking down the street, my Grandfather recognizes one of the guards from the concentration camp who killed many people. My grandfather and my uncle grabbed the guy,
took him down the alley and killed him. I understand some may not approve of such vigilante justice but I cite this to mark a true historical event.
My father was present in the camp when my Grandfather had a fight with a guard and boiling hot water flew in the air and left a scar on my Dad's leg for his entire life. My Dad saw Hitler live, on
2 occasions. My father was also hid in a basement in Austria by a Christian family at the risk of losing all their lives. I met the children of those people who by the time I met them were very old.
I know this may sound like a pussy, but the came from Vienna to stay at our home when I was about 21 years old. Upon meeting them, I couldn't help but hug them hello and start crying like a little
girl. They didn't speak English and didn't know why I was crying. My Dad explained to them it was just an uncontrollable outburst of my gratitude and they were very touched.
My grandfather had "KL" tattoed on his forearm by the Nazis. That is the real reason I will never get a tattoo. Nothing against those who have one it's just that no one is tattooing another member
of my family ever again.
The book was never written to sell big volumes but rather, to memorialize what had happened to my family. I sure am glad it exists in writing and pictures. It's almost too hard to believe.
Having written that, feel free to ask me any question you like.
Harley
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Dear Alucard,
Thanks for the compliment.
I have no issue in speaking about my Dad's experiences surviving Nazi Germany. He lived in Poland and on September 1, 1939, when Germany invaded,
nothing would ever be the same. My Grandfather would not separate himself from my Dad which was unheard of in those situations and almost always resulted in
the deaths of both dad and son. My Grandfather, Jakob Breitowicz wrote a book which I talked about earlier here I think. It is called "Through Hell To Life" and no, I am not here to pitch
the book. It is not written by a professional writer. Rather, it has to be one of the very earliest accounts of the atrocities committed in Hitler's Death Camps.
My Grandfather was shot by a 19 year old SS soldier named Josef Wurst who shot about 51 prisoners during an evacuation march from the Flossenburg Concentration Camp on April 23, 1945.
He was later tried for war crimes and hanged on October 3, 1947. He shot my Grandfather at point blank range, in the head, with a rifle and left him for dead. My Grandfather got up after he left, swam up a freezing river and hid in a barn until American troops came by on their way to liberate the camps. In the hospital, he began writing his book. I helped him translate it from Polish to English when I was a teenager. He was left blind in one eye and deaf in one ear.
He and his step uncle who was sent to Siberia during the war, met up after the war and were walking down the rubble streets of Germany when there was no more government but only black market economics. All of a sudden, walking down the street, my Grandfather recognizes one of the guards from the concentration camp who killed many people. My grandfather and my uncle grabbed the guy,
took him down the alley and killed him. I understand some may not approve of such vigilante justice but I cite this to mark a true historical event.
My father was present in the camp when my Grandfather had a fight with a guard and boiling hot water flew in the air and left a scar on my Dad's leg for his entire life. My Dad saw Hitler live, on
2 occasions. My father was also hid in a basement in Austria by a Christian family at the risk of losing all their lives. I met the children of those people who by the time I met them were very old.
I know this may sound like a pussy, but the came from Vienna to stay at our home when I was about 21 years old. Upon meeting them, I couldn't help but hug them hello and start crying like a little
girl. They didn't speak English and didn't know why I was crying. My Dad explained to them it was just an uncontrollable outburst of my gratitude and they were very touched.
My grandfather had "KL" tattoed on his forearm by the Nazis. That is the real reason I will never get a tattoo. Nothing against those who have one it's just that no one is tattooing another member
of my family ever again.
The book was never written to sell big volumes but rather, to memorialize what had happened to my family. I sure am glad it exists in writing and pictures. It's almost too hard to believe.
Having written that, feel free to ask me any question you like.
Harley
http://www.amazon.com/Through-Hell-Life-Jakob-Breitowicz/dp/0884000915/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1441836998&sr=8-1&keywords=Through+Hell+To+Life%22 (http://www.amazon.com/Through-Hell-Life-Jakob-Breitowicz/dp/0884000915/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1441836998&sr=8-1&keywords=Through+Hell+To+Life%22)
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Dear Alucard,
Thanks for the compliment.
I have no issue in speaking about my Dad's experiences surviving Nazi Germany. He lived in Poland and on September 1, 1939, when Germany invaded,
nothing would ever be the same. My Grandfather would not separate himself from my Dad which was unheard of in those situations and almost always resulted in
the deaths of both dad and son. My Grandfather, Jakob Breitowicz wrote a book which I talked about earlier here I think. It is called "Through Hell To Life" and no, I am not here to pitch
the book. It is not written by a professional writer. Rather, it has to be one of the very earliest accounts of the atrocities committed in Hitler's Death Camps.
My Grandfather was shot by a 19 year old SS soldier named Josef Wurst who shot about 51 prisoners during an evacuation march from the Flossenburg Concentration Camp on April 23, 1945.
He was later tried for war crimes and hanged on October 3, 1947. He shot my Grandfather at point blank range, in the head, with a rifle and left him for dead. My Grandfather got up after he left, swam up a freezing river and hid in a barn until American troops came by on their way to liberate the camps. In the hospital, he began writing his book. I helped him translate it from Polish to English when I was a teenager. He was left blind in one eye and deaf in one ear.
He and his step uncle who was sent to Siberia during the war, met up after the war and were walking down the rubble streets of Germany when there was no more government but only black market economics. All of a sudden, walking down the street, my Grandfather recognizes one of the guards from the concentration camp who killed many people. My grandfather and my uncle grabbed the guy,
took him down the alley and killed him. I understand some may not approve of such vigilante justice but I cite this to mark a true historical event.
My father was present in the camp when my Grandfather had a fight with a guard and boiling hot water flew in the air and left a scar on my Dad's leg for his entire life. My Dad saw Hitler live, on
2 occasions. My father was also hid in a basement in Austria by a Christian family at the risk of losing all their lives. I met the children of those people who by the time I met them were very old.
I know this may sound like a pussy, but the came from Vienna to stay at our home when I was about 21 years old. Upon meeting them, I couldn't help but hug them hello and start crying like a little
girl. They didn't speak English and didn't know why I was crying. My Dad explained to them it was just an uncontrollable outburst of my gratitude and they were very touched.
My grandfather had "KL" tattoed on his forearm by the Nazis. That is the real reason I will never get a tattoo. Nothing against those who have one it's just that no one is tattooing another member
of my family ever again.
The book was never written to sell big volumes but rather, to memorialize what had happened to my family. I sure am glad it exists in writing and pictures. It's almost too hard to believe.
Having written that, feel free to ask me any question you like.
Harley
I hope he knew he could be 100% sure.
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I hope he knew he could be 100% sure.
Dear Las Vegas,
I assure you, if any man were put under those conditions, he would be sure to remember the faces of all those who
perpetrated such inhumanity upon other men.
Harley
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Dear Dr. Chimps,
I really appreciate you finding the site to buy my Grandfather's book. I didn't know that even existed.
That was very nice of you.
Sincerely,
Harley
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I hope he knew he could be 100% sure.
Dear Las Vegas,
I assure you, if any man were put under those conditions, he would be sure to remember the faces of all those who
perpetrated such inhumanity upon other men.
Harley
Yes, I would imagine so.
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Karma gets those bastards eventually.
Your story is the proof.
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Hey Guys,
If this is "bumping" I apologize but I did write this myself:
Dear old-school-lifter,
You asked me to share my thoughts on Nasser. Again, I met him only a few times but here they are:
Nasser immediately struck me as different from most bodybuilders in that he didn't need to announce he was the biggest man in the room, he just let nature speak for him. But for his Leviathan physique, his quiet introverted nature would have caused him to become lost in the crowd.
Somehow it came up that my sister was born in Germany and apparently, so was he. I mentioned that I was born in Switzerland and then he took a curiosity as to what my parents were doing in Europe and how I became an American. I explained to him that my Father survived being in Hitler's death camps and actually saw Hitler live, twice. This fascinated Nasser and he asked me all about it. I told him my grandfather was shot at point blank range by a rifle held by an SS member and left for dead. When I told him my grandfather survived and wrote a book, he asked me if I could get him a copy. I joked and said, "You read funny books for a coal-miner." This is a line from W. Somerset Maugham's "The Razor's Edge" and when Nasser said he was familiar with Maugham, he immediately had my complete admiration.
I asked Nasser how many languages he spoke and he joked, "That is a funny question for an American." I told him my Dad spoke 11 languages and played 9 instruments and Nasser was astute enough to state that this is almost always a result of being born in a place in which nations conquer, merge and then dissolve. Nasser talked about the troubles that plagued Egypt but more so of Yugoslavia. He seemed surprised that I even knew where it was. I told Nasser I enjoy studying languages and culture and he laughed when I told him my Godparents live in Pakistan. Ironically, we talked about the Sunni/Shiite issues.
Nasser was a prodigious eater. His plates of food were enormous. I just don't understand how these guys can eat and digest all that food.
Nasser laughed and made fun of guys and seemed to really despise the transparent people in bodybuilding. He complained that there were many fake people and that they would lie to your face just to steal some money or drugs. The topic of gay for pay came up and he heartily laughed at those who sold themselves like that. I got the impression that while bodybuilding was important to him, it remained only part of his lifestyle. He didn't seem to taken in by cars or fancy items, but rather, he seemed intrigued by anyone who claimed to know something about anything. I got the impression that he was looking through you at first and then, if you had any real substance to you, he would look at you and then speak with you.
I found him soft-spoken, polite and intelligent. I don't know who on GetBig hates or likes what bodybuilders but for me, Nasser stood out, both in physical stature and humble intellect.
Harley
Harley
I was fortunate enough to be good friends with Nasser after he had retired from pro BB.
your thoughts on Nasser are REMARKABLY accurate and insightful
in fact, i'm sure Nasser and you would have been great friends- you are very similar in many ways- high achievers who make their own path,self-made, intelligent, extremely well read and educated and men of the world.
as you know, Nasser had Masters degrees in history and political science and loved to discuss and debate many issues
thankyou for remembering my friend Harley
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http://www.amazon.com/Through-Hell-Life-Jakob-Breitowicz/dp/0884000915/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1441836998&sr=8-1&keywords=Through+Hell+To+Life%22 (http://www.amazon.com/Through-Hell-Life-Jakob-Breitowicz/dp/0884000915/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1441836998&sr=8-1&keywords=Through+Hell+To+Life%22)
Man, that's something else.
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Dear the_swami,
That is very high praise you gave me but Nasser did ALL that and achieved a Herculean physique.
I was glad to get to the point with him where I didn't feel as if he was looking through me, but at and with me.
He also did not appear to be a zealot of any kind. We did speak of history as I was reading quite a bit at that time as
one of my best friends was earning his Ph.D. in History at New York University and I was trying to slurp up as much free
learning and education as I could get.
Nasser was a nice man and that above all else, is perhaps the best praise.
Harley
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Man, that's something else.
Dear The Ugly,
Thanks. It really is a great read if you like action and subterfuge and it ends up all being non-fiction.
There are some good pictures as well. Again, it's not Faulkner, but it captures the reader.
Harley
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Harley
I was fortunate enough to be good friends with Nasser after he had retired from pro BB.
your thoughts on Nasser are REMARKABLY accurate and insightful
in fact, i'm sure Nasser and you would have been great friends- you are very similar in many ways- high achievers who make their own path,self-made, intelligent, extremely well read and educated and men of the world.
as you know, Nasser had Masters degrees in history and political science and loved to discuss and debate many issues
thankyou for remembering my friend Harley
I met Nasser several times over the course of many years. I always found him to be kind, humble, and a perfect gentleman. I never understood the "bad press" he got back in the day.
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I met Nasser several times over the course of many years. I always found him to be kind, humble, and a perfect gentleman. I never understood the "bad press" he got back in the day.
We now have an explanation for his wonky eye.
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We now have an explanation for his wonky eye.
:-\ That hideous eh ???
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:-\ That hideous eh ???
chaos is just being mean.
Unless he's stalking you, he doesn't know what you look like either.
Wait...
Nevermind... He probably is stalking you.
Fuckin' chaos.
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:-\ That hideous eh ???
I was insinuating that you rode him so hard you knocked his eye wonky. ::)
chaos is just being mean.
Unless he's stalking you, he doesn't know what you look like either.
Wait...
Nevermind... He probably is stalking you.
Fuckin' chaos.
In the bushes again. ....fuckin chaos.
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Dear Pellius,
You are one of my all time favorites but Random Pics, when done properly, will always get my support as it has the most amazing women on the planet and should be left to continue for the ages.
I will say this though, sometimes, I don't understand why people put such disgusting photos on there. The ones of nature are wonderful too.
Harley
I was using Random Pics as an example of good bumping.
I don't mind too much the disgusting pics. Hard to believe what's out there. But none of that bad bumping from me.
"I ain't gonna bump no more no big fat woman"
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Pellius bring the knowledge plus the funny! ;)
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Harley, your stories..., your life experiences....
Wow. Just wow.
Amazing how much you get out of life.
Many, like me, seem to sleep walk through life compare to those like you.
"Compared to what we ought to be, we are only half awake."
-- William James, The Energies of Men
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Dear Pellius,
Your modesty doesn't do you enough justice.
My philosophy on life and how I've chosen to live my own has cost me a great deal and I often wonder
if those who were more prudent, cautious and conservative than was I, were in deed, much better off than I, who tasted fruit from so many
different vine but yet never mastered the taste of any.
"A little bit of learning is a dangerous thing, Drink deep or taste not of the Pierian Spring (Spring of Knowledge)- Alexander Pope
Harley
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Do you like any video games, Harley?
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Do you like any video games, Harley?
Dear Las Vegas,
I despise video games for what they represent to me as the quintessential symbol of why today's youth have no sense of
priority or reverence for scholarship.
They play hours of games every day rather than read, study or do anything productive.
Parents wait outside a store all night so a kid can have the game at 6:00 am the first day? Maybe my values are askew and that's
fine but you ask me how I feel about something that consumes today's young people to a point of turning them into idiots and that is how I fee.
Trust me, the freshman class at Harvard or MIT did not spend hours every day after school texting and playing video games.
Sorry for the rant. I have strong feelings on this topic.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I despise video games for what they represent to me as the quintessential symbol of why today's youth have no sense of
priority or reverence for scholarship.
They play hours of games every day rather than read, study or do anything productive.
Parents wait outside a store all night so a kid can have the game at 6:00 am the first day? Maybe my values are askew and that's
fine but you ask me how I feel about something that consumes today's young people to a point of turning them into idiots and that is how I fee.
Trust me, the freshman class at Harvard or MIT did not spend hours every day after school texting and playing video games.
Sorry for the rant. I have strong feelings on this topic.
Harley
;D I understand.
They can be good for hand-eye coordination, and that's why I sometimes play them. But stuff like the GTA series (Grand Theft Auto, which I'll admit to having played extensively in the past), makes me wonder wtf they're thinking. No way that doesn't threaten to have a negative influence on impressionable kids.
The camping-out to "be the first" to buy products seems really idiotic, yeah. The media loves to cover that bullshit, too... probably as an attempt to recruit people into that stupid mindset.
But no one's learning anything by playing video games. Can't argue with that.
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Harley, do you completely dismiss any idea that Nasser may be living?
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Dear Alucard,
Thanks for the compliment.
I have no issue in speaking about my Dad's experiences surviving Nazi Germany. He lived in Poland and on September 1, 1939, when Germany invaded,
nothing would ever be the same. My Grandfather would not separate himself from my Dad which was unheard of in those situations and almost always resulted in
the deaths of both dad and son. My Grandfather, Jakob Breitowicz wrote a book which I talked about earlier here I think. It is called "Through Hell To Life" and no, I am not here to pitch
the book. It is not written by a professional writer. Rather, it has to be one of the very earliest accounts of the atrocities committed in Hitler's Death Camps.
My Grandfather was shot by a 19 year old SS soldier named Josef Wurst who shot about 51 prisoners during an evacuation march from the Flossenburg Concentration Camp on April 23, 1945.
He was later tried for war crimes and hanged on October 3, 1947. He shot my Grandfather at point blank range, in the head, with a rifle and left him for dead. My Grandfather got up after he left, swam up a freezing river and hid in a barn until American troops came by on their way to liberate the camps. In the hospital, he began writing his book. I helped him translate it from Polish to English when I was a teenager. He was left blind in one eye and deaf in one ear.
He and his step uncle who was sent to Siberia during the war, met up after the war and were walking down the rubble streets of Germany when there was no more government but only black market economics. All of a sudden, walking down the street, my Grandfather recognizes one of the guards from the concentration camp who killed many people. My grandfather and my uncle grabbed the guy,
took him down the alley and killed him. I understand some may not approve of such vigilante justice but I cite this to mark a true historical event.
My father was present in the camp when my Grandfather had a fight with a guard and boiling hot water flew in the air and left a scar on my Dad's leg for his entire life. My Dad saw Hitler live, on
2 occasions. My father was also hid in a basement in Austria by a Christian family at the risk of losing all their lives. I met the children of those people who by the time I met them were very old.
I know this may sound like a pussy, but the came from Vienna to stay at our home when I was about 21 years old. Upon meeting them, I couldn't help but hug them hello and start crying like a little
girl. They didn't speak English and didn't know why I was crying. My Dad explained to them it was just an uncontrollable outburst of my gratitude and they were very touched.
My grandfather had "KL" tattoed on his forearm by the Nazis. That is the real reason I will never get a tattoo. Nothing against those who have one it's just that no one is tattooing another member
of my family ever again.
The book was never written to sell big volumes but rather, to memorialize what had happened to my family. I sure am glad it exists in writing and pictures. It's almost too hard to believe.
Having written that, feel free to ask me any question you like.
Harley
Thanks a lot for your memories mr Breite, some of the darkest days of human history... Now, if i may ask, was it Flossenburg the death camp? Or they were in others also? Were there gas chambers/ovens? Did your father remember something about religious/catholic activities or statues, emblems, writings and similar stuff? Was he a jew? Did he talk about other prisoners being protestant, orthodox, and others? Thanks again...
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Thanks a lot for your memories mr Breite, some of the darkest days of human history... Now, if i may ask, was it Flossenburg the death camp? Or they were in others also? Were there gas chambers/ovens? Did your father remember something about religious/catholic activities or statues, emblems, writings and similar stuff? Was he a jew? Did he talk about other prisoners being protestant, orthodox, and others? Thanks again...
Buy the book. Link above
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You should create an ebook version, Harley. It's easy enough to do.
(Do you know who posted the current version on Amazon? Who is profiting from the sales?)
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I guess it's Shengold.
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Harrley, I just ordered your grandfather's book and plan to bring it to the Thursday evening O Meet the Olympians with the hope that you will autograph it for me.
I hate standing in line so you may hear me yelling , "Hey,, Harley!!".
New subject ... I have NOT read all of this thread so I may be 'remiss' in mentioning this but someone just asked n anoyher thread how much a pro would spend getting ready for the O.
The last time I asked that question more than ten years back, the response was approximately $10,00 a month ... but that may be far off base in either direction nowadays.
I am an avid reader and look forward to read ing your zayde's book.
I hope it arrives before you get here.
Todah and shalom, Stunt
(Any incorrect Jewish pronunciations are simply because I am Swedish)
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Harrley, I just ordered your grandfather's book and plan to bring it to the Thursday evening O Meet the Olympians with the hope that you will autograph it for me.
I hate standing in line so you may hear me yelling , "Hey,, Harley!!".
New subject ... I have NOT read all of this thread so I may be 'remiss' in mentioning this but someone just asked n anoyher thread how much a pro would spend getting ready for the O.
The last time I asked that question more than ten years back, the response was approximately $10,00 a month ... but that may be far off base in either direction nowadays.
I am an avid reader and look forward to read ing your zayde's book.
I hope it arrives before you get here.
Todah and shalom, Stunt
(Any incorrect Jewish pronunciations are simply because I am Swedish)
Back to your OG account?
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Harley, do you completely dismiss any idea that Nasser may be living?
Dear Las Vegas,
Nasser was a person with curiosity, meaning that if he were still alive, he would feel compelled to ask questions, to question things
and to increase his knowledge and life-experiences. You can't do that in hiding, so no, I dismiss the idea that he may still be living.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
It was very nice of you to post that picture. You guys can find anything!!! That is how I know Jimmy Hoffa really is dead.
The irony of that picture is that when it ran on the front page of the newspaper a few weeks ago, not everyone recognized
by Black Belt draped over me. I liked the contrast of Japanese letters on the belt along with the background of books written
in Arabic and Hebrew (also English and German).
Harley
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Thanks a lot for your memories mr Breite, some of the darkest days of human history... Now, if i may ask, was it Flossenburg the death camp? Or they were in others also? Were there gas chambers/ovens? Did your father remember something about religious/catholic activities or statues, emblems, writings and similar stuff? Was he a jew? Did he talk about other prisoners being protestant, orthodox, and others? Thanks again...
Dear Alucard,
My Grandfather and Father were in more than just Flossenburg. Yes, they both witnesses people "being asked" to walk into a brick building which omitted a terribly black smoke
(I really hope that doesn't invite Wiggs to make one of his points- that would be very insensitive as not just Jews were being gassed and burned alive) and then an odor of which no one
was previously familiar but would then never forget. My Dad saw very young children walk in but never walk out.
My Father was hidden at some point by a Catholic family and became an alter boy and took communion. Of course, he didn't know what it all meant but he knew to do it or he would be
exposed and taken away to die. This imbedded within him a very deep rooted appreciation for people of other faiths who were willing to risk their lives and the lives of their family for a "Jew."
My Father did not speak too much of all this as an adult but Steven Spielberg founded a company that records and preserves the stories of Holocaust survivors. They came (no, not Steven)
to our house and conducted a video interview with my family, first without my Dad and then with my Dad alone. They gave us a complimentary tape from their library in California and watching
my own Dad, in our own living room speak the way he did, was quite moving.
And then I mentioned that I met the children of the Austrian family who saved my Dad's life. I wrote about how and why I cried like a little girl just a bit earlier in this thread I believe.
Thanks for asking and I hope this helps.
Harley
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You should create an ebook version, Harley. It's easy enough to do.
(Do you know who posted the current version on Amazon? Who is profiting from the sales?)
Dear Las Vegas,
I must profess my ignorance in not knowing what an "ebook version" even is.
My Grandfather paid Shengold to publish it and never thought about a profit. I can tell you that no one in my
family ever saw a royalty check and we never asked. We just wanted the story and pictures preserved until the day
some extremist blows up the earth in its entirety and then history will become completely irrelevant.
Until that day, my Grandfather's goal of people not completely forgetting or not even knowing has been fulfilled and
continues to be by you guys too.
I really want to try to express my gratitude to ALL of you for finding the site to his book and asking such honest and thoughtful
questions. Please know that I am not making any money from any of this. I am just touched by your interest and the lack of
racism about the topic. I remember GetBig being a much less tolerant site which was a large part I had left. Today, I feel that
while it is an open and free site to exchange ideas, and that means ideas of which we disagree on very sensitive and serious issues,
GetBig has evolved a bit to host intelligent, thought provoking questions evincing a desire to learn about a host of different things.
This is a nice place to be.
Harley
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Harrley, I just ordered your grandfather's book and plan to bring it to the Thursday evening O Meet the Olympians with the hope that you will autograph it for me.
I hate standing in line so you may hear me yelling , "Hey,, Harley!!".
New subject ... I have NOT read all of this thread so I may be 'remiss' in mentioning this but someone just asked n anoyher thread how much a pro would spend getting ready for the O.
The last time I asked that question more than ten years back, the response was approximately $10,00 a month ... but that may be far off base in either direction nowadays.
I am an avid reader and look forward to read ing your zayde's book.
I hope it arrives before you get here.
Todah and shalom, Stunt
(Any incorrect Jewish pronunciations are simply because I am Swedish)
Dear Stuntmovie,
I was so touched that you went and ordered the book that I told my Mom last night and it was the best birthday gift she received all day. Thank you so much.
I would be honored to sign the book for you. Somehow, I usually sneak my way behind Craig's table at the Meet The Olympians and sit with him for the hour.
That is how I struck out with Christine Pomponio Pate, but that is a whole other story.
There won't be any line of people waiting for Craig to sign his photos which I think might even be free. The lines are for Kai and people like that DLB girl.
I hope that you and any GetBigger come and say hello and whatever Craig has there, is yours.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I promise that tomorrow, Saturday, I will sit down and write my opinion as to how much gear the pros use.
Again, I warn you, you will not believe or like my opinion but having been asked, I will offer it in return.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I promise that tomorrow, Saturday, I will sit down and write my opinion as to how much gear the pros use.
Again, I warn you, you will not believe or like my opinion but having been asked, I will offer it in return.
Harley
Harley you are a good dude. Its great to have you here.
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Harley you are a good dude. Its great to have you here.
+1
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Harley, do you have access to the pictures from the book? (I understand they aren t electronic/computer pictures.)
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Hey Guys,
I promise that tomorrow, Saturday, I will sit down and write my opinion as to how much gear the pros use.
Again, I warn you, you will not believe or like my opinion but having been asked, I will offer it in return.
Harley
I have a feeling this will be good!
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Harrley, I just ordered your grandfather's book and plan to bring it to the Thursday evening O Meet the Olympians with the hope that you will autograph it for me.
I hate standing in line so you may hear me yelling , "Hey,, Harley!!".
New subject ... I have NOT read all of this thread so I may be 'remiss' in mentioning this but someone just asked n anoyher thread how much a pro would spend getting ready for the O.
The last time I asked that question more than ten years back, the response was approximately $10,00 a month ... but that may be far off base in either direction nowadays.
I am an avid reader and look forward to read ing your zayde's book.
I hope it arrives before you get here.
Todah and shalom, Stunt
(Any incorrect Jewish pronunciations are simply because I am Swedish)
Where did you find it, stunt? That Amazon link says out of print.
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Dear Alucard,
My Grandfather and Father were in more than just Flossenburg. Yes, they both witnesses people "being asked" to walk into a brick building which omitted a terribly black smoke
(I really hope that doesn't invite Wiggs to make one of his points- that would be very insensitive as not just Jews were being gassed and burned alive) and then an odor of which no one
was previously familiar but would then never forget. My Dad saw very young children walk in but never walk out.
My Father was hidden at some point by a Catholic family and became an alter boy and took communion. Of course, he didn't know what it all meant but he knew to do it or he would be
exposed and taken away to die. This imbedded within him a very deep rooted appreciation for people of other faiths who were willing to risk their lives and the lives of their family for a "Jew."
My Father did not speak too much of all this as an adult but Steven Spielberg founded a company that records and preserves the stories of Holocaust survivors. They came (no, not Steven)
to our house and conducted a video interview with my family, first without my Dad and then with my Dad alone. They gave us a complimentary tape from their library in California and watching
my own Dad, in our own living room speak the way he did, was quite moving.
And then I mentioned that I met the children of the Austrian family who saved my Dad's life. I wrote about how and why I cried like a little girl just a bit earlier in this thread I believe.
Thanks for asking and I hope this helps.
Harley
Thanks a lot for your stories mr Breite... Interesting that you mention "burned alive", because that's what they did, "gassing" was only for putting them asleep before the fire sacrifice... Obviously people don't make the connection still today, just the word holocaust means burnt offering... Being myself some sort of historian, i did lot of research on WW1-WW2 and the Holocaust in particular since i was young, there's much much more than only a racial extermination, in fact it wasn't about race at all, but religion... As they said, all roads lead to Rome... I'll try to check out your father's book...
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Where did you find it, stunt? That Amazon link says out of print.
Really? It's out of print and can't even be ordered? Wow, that makes me sad.
As far as access to those pictures in the book, I imagine my Father has them somewhere in the house but I would have to go
through is desk and I'm not really ready to do that.
As far as Alucard, I appreciate your response but disagree with you just a bit on some of your historical assertions. There were in fact, death camps with ovens which
were used to burn people alive. The problem for the Nazis' "Final Solution" (Hitler’s verbal command to Goering, Himmler, and Heydrich in the summer of 1941 for the extermination of all Jews)
was that the “Vernichtungslager” (Extermination Camp) could not burn enough people fast enough. Auschwitz alone had 4 huge gas chambers and an adjoining crematoria. At the end of the war, it was gassing 6,000 persons a day. In 46 days during the summer of 1944 between 250,000 and 300,000 Hungarian Jews alone were killed there. The Red Army overran it in January 1945.
Also, Hitler was indeed interested in exterminating race as he saw Czechs and Yugoslavs (and all the other "foreigners") not as religious targets, but rather, as racial or national targets. He sought
to exterminate all the homosexuals as well, regardless of religion. Hitler's madness, in my opinion which appears a bit different than yours, was not in fact targeted against religion, but rather,
ethnicities, sexual proclivities and persons of other nations.
Sorry, I didn't mean to go off on a history rant.
Harley
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It's interesting, Harley, because there were copies available when you made your recent post mentioning the book on this thread. That included at least two used copies, so it would be good to know whether Stunt chose a used copy or what the supply looked like when he made the buy.
But the idea behind an ebook is to make a title instantly available to anyone for download. It is as simple as typing it onto a file and uploading it. If your goal isn't to make money, you can even offer it for free.
If you wrote to Shengold from your professional email account, and explained to them who you are and that you want to keep your granddad's writing alive, they would most likely be glad to create an ebook or certainly turn everything over to you (including any copies of pictures they may have on file).
From what I saw with Shengold, though, they don't seem too active at this moment. They have an electronic Jewish Encyclopedia at their web address, and that's the only current sign of publishing that I can see. But there is almost certainly contact information if you want to do that.
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Let me know if you want help with any of that, H. I will be happy to assist.
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Dear Las Vegas,
I really appreciate your help. I would like to contact Shengold and ask them if they have any more hardcopies for sale in that I myself, would buy
them up. I have about 2 small boxes full here at my house but that is it. I actually give them to people as gifts if the people are sincere or I really like
them.
I am one of those guys who doesn't like that whole Kindle thing or reading a book on the computer. I am old school and want to hold the book in my hand,
I want to feel the page as I turn each one, I want that page turned only as a symbol of it having achieved its goal of imparting knowledge and most of all, I actually
highlight things in each and every book I read and then type up whatever I've highlighted into a Word File so that I can always see it and use it as a reference or just
remember a sentence or thought that was well written.
I have a feeling Shengold went out of business and doesn't have any more hard copies but maybe we can ask them.
Thanks so much.
Harley
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That is how I struck out with Christine Pomponio Pate, but that is a whole other story.
Dear Harley
What, you dated Christine few years ago?
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Contact forms are notorious for being nothing but black holes, but you can ping them for a gamble:
http://shengold.com/editorial/
If you do try and the form didn't work, let me know and I'll see about a working email or phone number somewhere. Either a person is at the helm at Shengold or not.
If not, and you have the pictures plus a copy of the book, you can DIY easily enough.
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Dear Harley
What, you dated Christine few years ago?
Dear Kwon_2,
Oh no, let there be no confusion or mistake. I did NOT date her. I struck out by asking her out and she politely refusing.
Please don't for a second think that she came even remotely close to going on a date with me.
I strike out at the plate but hey, you can't hit a home run if you don't swing at the pitch.
Harley
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Dear Kwon_2,
Oh no, let there be no confusion or mistake. I did NOT date her. I struck out by asking her out and she politely refusing.
Please don't for a second think that she came even remotely close to going on a date with me.
I strike out at the plate but hey, you can't hit a home run if you don't swing at the pitch.
Harley
At least you struck out, which is more you can say about many others.
Good for you Harley "Shining So" Breite!
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Dear Las Vegas,
I really appreciate your help. I would like to contact Shengold and ask them if they have any more hardcopies for sale in that I myself, would buy
them up. I have about 2 small boxes full here at my house but that is it. I actually give them to people as gifts if the people are sincere or I really like
them.
I am one of those guys who doesn't like that whole Kindle thing or reading a book on the computer. I am old school and want to hold the book in my hand,
I want to feel the page as I turn each one, I want that page turned only as a symbol of it having achieved its goal of imparting knowledge and most of all, I actually
highlight things in each and every book I read and then type up whatever I've highlighted into a Word File so that I can always see it and use it as a reference or just
remember a sentence or thought that was well written.
I have a feeling Shengold went out of business and doesn't have any more hard copies but maybe we can ask them.
Thanks so much.
Harley
No, there's someone behind Shengold, still. Someone is paying for the name and adding stuff to the encyclopedia. If you don't have success with the contact page (probably give it 48 hours or so), let me know. Meanwhile, will let you know if anything related comes across my path.
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I promise to tell that story too as it came up only because someone mentioned the Meet The Olympians which I attend with Craig.
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UGLY, Doc Chimp posted the link and I clicked on it and ordered it....
I intend to take it to the O and have Harley autograph it for me.
Here is the same link that Doc Chimp provided and the same link I used to order it from..
http://www.amazon.com/Through-Hell-Life-Jakob-Breitowicz/dp/0884000915/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1441836998&sr=8-1&keywords=Through+Hell+To+Life%22
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HARLEY, Thanks and it's great to hear that it gave your mom some happiness.
Please anticipate some questions from me once I finish reading it.
It's unbelievable the torment that so many millions went through while Hitler was alive.
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Harley, Stunt's link is to Amazon. If you create an ebook, it will no longer say "unavailable". It will allow people to have a copy to read on any device they want. It is 100% free to publish, and you can make it 100% free to all interested people.
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Dear Stuntmovie,
Thanks so much for buying the book. Trust me, I don't make any money from this.
I am happy to sign a book for anyone and answer any questions about the topic whether or not they bought the book too.
Not just Jews were murdered, but so many other people. Yes, I know it's said that Russia lost 10 million people as well just at
the hands of Stalin and fighting against Hitler. Those 2 guys sure have a great deal of blood on their hands.
I like the part where Stalin ruins his wife's life by refusing to negotiate for the return of his captured son and then the Germans
offer him back and he still says no.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
If we make it an EBook, will they still be able to see all the photos in the book?
I would do it as I said, I am not trying to make money. I would be happier to have kids in school read it as
an assignment for free.
Harley
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And then I mentioned that I met the children of the Austrian family who saved my Dad's life. I wrote about how and why I cried like a little girl just a bit earlier in this thread I believe.
Thanks for asking and I hope this helps.
Harley
Dear Harley,
This might sound a bit wussy for GetBig but I've now read just about everything you've posted and I've decided I have to say it. My job is protecting vulnerable adults & children from harm (I have to keep it vague), so over the years I've built up quite a thick skin (to survive and not bring it home every night). Even so, I have to tell you your recent posts have really moved me and reminded me of the shared humanity that we all have and why I do what I do (even though it means I'll never drive a Ferrari LOL!) Please accept my sincere thanks for your brave honesty
Taf :)
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The pictures are the iffy part, because you want them to be as high quality as possible in the new book. So scanning them from an existing book wouldn't be the greatest, compared to scanning them directly,
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Sorry, but I must have purchased the last copy as Amazon says it is no longer available.
Please note that it is sole by Yankee Clipper Books through Amazon.
Arriving Thu, Sep 17 - Fri, Oct 2 by 8pm
Shipped
Track package
Through Hell to Life
Breitowicz, Jakob
Sold by: Yankee Clipper Books
$13.20
Harley, If I receive it after you depart LV, I''ll send it East for you autograph.
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Dear Stunt Movie,
If you send me the book, I will send it back inscribed any way you like free of shipping.
If there is anything else I can do, please let me know.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
This might sound a bit wussy for GetBig but I've now read just about everything you've posted and I've decided I have to say it. My job is protecting vulnerable adults & children from harm (I have to keep it vague), so over the years I've built up quite a thick skin (to survive and not bring it home every night). Even so, I have to tell you your recent posts have really moved me and reminded me of the shared humanity that we all have and why I do what I do (even though it means I'll never drive a Ferrari LOL!) Please accept my sincere thanks for your brave honesty
Taf :)
Dear Taffin,
Your response means a great deal to me and I am most appreciative. GetBiggers are far more intelligent, open-minded and sensitive than some of the threads would have you believe.
I would love to have 3 guesses as to your profession but I respect your privacy and will use it only in my mind as an intellectual challenge.
Believe it or not, I too, like to believe that I am "protecting vulnerable adults and children from harm." That may sound ridiculous coming from a criminal defense lawyer but I do protect people,
especially minority and socio-economically deprived people from governmental and law enforcement abuse. Assuming you work for the State, you and I can still do the same but from different
perspectives and for different "victims." I too, have a thick skin and am impervious to the disgusting and heinous things I read when going through the Discovery (the evidence). I think I previously
mentioned that there are a few cases still burned in my memory and photos I've seen which are truly unspeakable.
"Shared Humanity" crosses all borders; religious, sexual orientation, nationality, color, etc. To see others risk their lives to save someone from a different religion speaks volumes as to what
we can do for one another when we aren't blinded by extremism and a parochial perspective.
I am thankful that somehow this thread has reminded you of just why you chose to help so many people despite the hardships you must encounter. And yes, while it is nice to own a Ferrari, it
doesn't define who you are unless you are a narcissistic, shallow person whose accomplishments are measured only by what you can monetarily afford. Clearly, you have defined yourself in a class
well above what any car could ever do for you.
Thank you very much.
Sincerely,
Harley
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Harley, was 9/11 an inside job?
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Dear Harley,
Im not sure if you answered this in other posts, but what is your general opinion of prosecutors and judges you have dealt with over the years?
Are prosecutors really seeking justice? Are they just looking to further their career with no care given to the accused? What about judges?
I know not all are the same, but is there a general personality type that seeks to be a prosecutor or seeks to be a judge?
On the flip side, what are most private defense attorneys like? Money grubbers? Seekers of justice? Combination of both?
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Harley, was 9/11 an inside job?
Dear Saint Anger,
While I am very much anti-government, I am sorry to perhaps disappoint you by saying that I don't believe
any of the conspiracies regarding 9/11. Over 2,000 lives were lost at the hands of radical extremists. The economy
suffered immensely. No one, world wide, benefits, in my opinion, from such an American tragedy.
But again, my political views are not important and carry the same exact weight as do yours when we each enter the
voting booth. That is one of the beautiful things about America.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
Im not sure if you answered this in other posts, but what is your general opinion of prosecutors and judges you have dealt with over the years?
Are prosecutors really seeking justice? Are they just looking to further their career with no care given to the accused? What about judges?
I know not all are the same, but is there a general personality type that seeks to be a prosecutor or seeks to be a judge?
On the flip side, what are most private defense attorneys like? Money grubbers? Seekers of justice? Combination of both?
Dear Oliolioli,
That is a big question to which I have referenced before on the "NJ Man Pleads Guilty To Killing Friend With 25 Pound Dumbbell" and on this thread
BUT, it is a very important question to me and I feel it should be answered here on this thread which you guys were kind enough to create.
I promise to answer that question but first, I must fulfill my promise of answering the question as to how much gear the pros use IN MY OPINION.
I will answer your question too, I promise.
Harley
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You have asked me just how much gear a professional bodybuilder might take on a particular cycle. I will answer that but I must provide the following caveat first. All top-level bodybuilders share 3 characteristics which separate them from everyone else on the planet. Without these 3 characteristics, it doesn't matter how much gear you take, you will not achieve that type of physique:
1) You must be able to consume and process massive amounts of food while avoiding any gastro-intestinal issues. This may sound ridiculous but normal people can not eat and process, let alone prevent themselves from vomiting, the massive amount of food professional bodybuilders eat and just how often they eat.
2) You must respond to gear as if you had the Midas Touch. Gear, even real gear, works better on some than it does on others. Trust me, almost nobody can do what we've seen Kevin Levrone do in terms of leaving behind a less than average small physique and turning back into a perennial Mr. Olympia contender. You need receptors and synapses made of gold that work incredibly well together.
3) You need a discipline for diet which is simply rare and incredible to watch. Diet is so important to a bodybuilder yet people often ask why diet gurus get paid so much. My B.S. in Bio-Chemistry does not make me a diet guru. My friendship with Craig does not make me a diet guru. I am not a diet guru and neither is almost everyone else who is even interested in bodybuilding. And no, being a former competitor does not necessarily make you a diet guru. The pain and sacrifice professional bodybuilders demonstrate in their diets are beyond imagination and beyond what most of us can endure. It is awe inspiring and yet also, frustrating to witness.
The answer to your question is soon to follow later today. I wanted these points to sink in a bit before all the chaos and criticism rush in.
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Dear Harley,
This might sound a bit wussy for GetBig but I've now read just about everything you've posted and I've decided I have to say it. My job is protecting vulnerable adults & children from harm (I have to keep it vague), so over the years I've built up quite a thick skin (to survive and not bring it home every night). Even so, I have to tell you your recent posts have really moved me and reminded me of the shared humanity that we all have and why I do what I do (even though it means I'll never drive a Ferrari LOL!) Please accept my sincere thanks for your brave honesty
Taf :)
Care to share?
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interesting stuff, harley... sounds reasonable so far... looking forward to more!
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plus, they have a super-balanced response to the drugs in their physical forms that 99% of others couldn't begin to hope for.
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Hey Guys,
Despite being sick as a dog all week, I woke up today and decided to compete in the New Breed East Coast Grappling Championships.
I took the 2 hour ride to Long Island by myself only to arrive, register, weigh in and find that they could not find another opponent in my
Division, weight class or age group.
That happens sometimes. Sorry, I tried.
Harley
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When is the training seminar with the afro-American pro bodybuilder?
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Hey Guys,
As promised, but let's start with the stuff that is NOT killing bodybuilders.
A typical professional bodybuilder DOES take more than the average person!!! THEY are NOT average. Their bodies, through the
good grace of whatever higher being you wish to choose and superior genetics, absorb and process anabolic steroids infinitely better than
any of us could. Most guys will look at cycles consisting of 12 week blocks.
So here goes:
1) Testosterone- 1,500 mg per week
2) Equipoise- 1,000 mg per week
3) Tren- 800- 1,000 mg per week (remember- Tren is 100 mg/cc)
4) Masterone- 800-1,000 mg per week
5) HGH- There are pros who can afford to do 9IU per day and will do it forever.
That is a typical cycle but when the contest comes, things change:
1) Add Winstrol Depot- 800-1,000 mg per week (Remember- many guys simply take it in a sublingual manner so no shots)
2) Winstrol- In pill form they will do 200-400 mg per day
3) Anavar- 200 to 400 mg per day
4) Arimedex- 1 pill per day
5) Primobolan- 6 to 10 ccs per week.
Now, that is the stuff that is NOT killing them. Here lies the problem:
1) Clenbuterol- 40 mcg pills - Up to 5 pills a day is not uncommon
2) DNP- 3-5 pills per day but sustained use
3) Insulin- There are guys who actually take 15 IU per day
4) Diuretics- Dyazide or Lasix - Guys usually just use this a week out before a show but some rely too heavily upon it and think it will
replace strict dieting and hard cardio
I don't think you guys will be shocked by any of this. BUT, remember, these pros NEVER come off so these dosages accumulate to astonishing sums very
quickly and when you think about today's pros who have been winning National level shows since they were literally teenagers, think about how much gear
they have taken. The pros who have died have almost always died at contest time. There are reasons for that.
I hope this answers your questions and provokes many more which I would be happy to try and answer if in fact, I know the answer.
Harley
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When is the training seminar with the afro-American pro bodybuilder?
Unfortunately, with the question framed that way, I must retract your invitation.
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Harley,
I love sodomizing my girlfriend. Heck, it's always been my preference for every chick I've been with. What's wrong with me?
Sincerely,
- SA
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Harley,
I love sodomizing my girlfriend. Heck, it's always been my preference for every chick I've been with. What's wrong with me?
Sincerely,
- SA
Dear SA,
Without knowing whether or not, during the act, you force them to cry and say, "I'm Sorry" I can not comment on the proficiency
in which you practice the act.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I strongly recommend this for your office and homes.
In fact, I personally endorse this, if you know what I mean.
Harley
http://www.covertcabinets.com/
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Dear SA,
Without knowing whether or not, during the act, you force them to cry and say, "I'm Sorry" I can not comment on the proficiency
in which you practice the act.
Harley
Dumb question, I'm sure, but following up: How does the law even define sodomy?
I don't think it means what we think it means, right?
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Dear Harley,
How do you feel about taking Goodrums place on getbig?
Sf1900
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Dear Harley,
How do you feel about taking Goodrums place on getbig?
Sf1900
Dear SF1900.
I am sorry but I don't know who Goodrum is.
Harley
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Dear SF1900.
I am sorry but I don't know who Goodrum is.
Harley
;D
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Care to share?
It reminds me of those precious few that are True Believers.
Most are motivated by money, fame, revenge, status... but some
are simply motivated by ideology. They believe in what they are doing. It's what motivates and gives meaning to their lives.
Why else would a Patrick Tillman give up a lucrative pro football contract to fight for his country? Or, on the flip side, drive a plane into a building.
It's like answering a higher calling. They do what they do because they believe in it. They are the True Believers.
When I think of all those unsung heroes that we will never know or hear about sacrificing so much -- even giving up their identities -- to help make the world a better place it gives me pause and humbles me and hopefully inspires me to be a better person.
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You have asked me just how much gear a professional bodybuilder might take on a particular cycle. I will answer that but I must provide the following caveat first. All top-level bodybuilders share 3 characteristics which separate them from everyone else on the planet. Without these 3 characteristics, it doesn't matter how much gear you take, you will not achieve that type of physique:
1) You must be able to consume and process massive amounts of food while avoiding any gastro-intestinal issues. This may sound ridiculous but normal people can not eat and process, let alone prevent themselves from vomiting, the massive amount of food professional bodybuilders eat and just how often they eat.
2) You must respond to gear as if you had the Midas Touch. Gear, even real gear, works better on some than it does on others. Trust me, almost nobody can do what we've seen Kevin Levrone do in terms of leaving behind a less than average small physique and turning back into a perennial Mr. Olympia contender. You need receptors and synapses made of gold that work incredibly well together.
3) You need a discipline for diet which is simply rare and incredible to watch. Diet is so important to a bodybuilder yet people often ask why diet gurus get paid so much. My B.S. in Bio-Chemistry does not make me a diet guru. My friendship with Craig does not make me a diet guru. I am not a diet guru and neither is almost everyone else who is even interested in bodybuilding. And no, being a former competitor does not necessarily make you a diet guru. The pain and sacrifice professional bodybuilders demonstrate in their diets are beyond imagination and beyond what most of us can endure. It is awe inspiring and yet also, frustrating to witness.
The answer to your question is soon to follow later today. I wanted these points to sink in a bit before all the chaos and criticism rush in.
The first point was something I never considered until I had to force feed myself to put on weight quickly. It was far more difficult, eating when you don't want to, than dieting and not eating when you want to. I know both ends because I once had to drop 30 pounds in two months.
I first heard this from the late Trevor Smith when he mentioned this trait. He was using Jay Cutler as an example as they would spend a lot of time together. He said he marveled at Jay's ability to eat. He would get up several times at night just to get his ten meals in.
I was reminded of this when Jay mentioned in one of his videos how he gets no pleasure in eating. Like it's just part of the job and something he has to do and just goes through the motions.
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Hey Guys,
As promised, but let's start with the stuff that is NOT killing bodybuilders.
A typical professional bodybuilder DOES take more than the average person!!! THEY are NOT average. Their bodies, through the
good grace of whatever higher being you wish to choose and superior genetics, absorb and process anabolic steroids infinitely better than
any of us could. Most guys will look at cycles consisting of 12 week blocks.
So here goes:
1) Testosterone- 1,500 mg per week
2) Equipoise- 1,000 mg per week
3) Tren- 800- 1,000 mg per week (remember- Tren is 100 mg/cc)
4) Masterone- 800-1,000 mg per week
5) HGH- There are pros who can afford to do 9IU per day and will do it forever.
That is a typical cycle but when the contest comes, things change:
1) Add Winstrol Depot- 800-1,000 mg per week (Remember- many guys simply take it in a sublingual manner so no shots)
2) Winstrol- In pill form they will do 200-400 mg per day
3) Anavar- 200 to 400 mg per day
4) Arimedex- 1 pill per day
5) Primobolan- 6 to 10 ccs per week.
Now, that is the stuff that is NOT killing them. Here lies the problem:
1) Clenbuterol- 40 mcg pills - Up to 5 pills a day is not uncommon
2) DNP- 3-5 pills per day but sustained use
3) Insulin- There are guys who actually take 15 IU per day
4) Diuretics- Dyazide or Lasix - Guys usually just use this a week out before a show but some rely too heavily upon it and think it will
replace strict dieting and hard cardio
I don't think you guys will be shocked by any of this. BUT, remember, these pros NEVER come off so these dosages accumulate to astonishing sums very
quickly and when you think about today's pros who have been winning National level shows since they were literally teenagers, think about how much gear
they have taken. The pros who have died have almost always died at contest time. There are reasons for that.
I hope this answers your questions and provokes many more which I would be happy to try and answer if in fact, I know the answer.
Harley
When you say 12 week cycles and then say they never come off what do you mean? You were very specific with their "on" cycles
so what would their "off" cycle be like? And say they have just completed their 12 week "cycle" but it happen to fall two months before the Olympia? Will they still go "off"?
You were very specific in the compounds and the amounts use. How did you come to that?
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When you say 12 week cycles and then say they never come off what do you mean? You were very specific with their "on" cycles
so what would their "off" cycle be like? And say they have just completed their 12 week "cycle" but it happen to fall two months before the Olympia? Will they still go "off"?
You were very specific in the compounds and the amounts use. How did you come to that?
Dear Pellius,
The "cycle" is really just a time frame established after the pro decides on his competition schedule.
For example, Phil only does the Mr. O so his "cycles" are easing to map out.
He just counts back from the day of the competition and maps out what he needs to take.
After 12 weeks you have to mix your compounds otherwise you will simply destroy the receptors from constant abuse.
Of course, normal peoples' receptors can't keep coming back and performing the way the receptors of the pros do.
There is no "off" cycle for a pro as he has no natural testosterone which he can generate. After a show, a pro will
immensely slow down for a month while taking HCG. However, many pros believe that the absolute best time to put on quality
muscle is just after they finish a show and go from completely depleted to filling up with quality food, HGH and insulin to really add weight and size.
I know of the compounds and their amounts from being in the "game" for the past 28 years, interacting with people, being a full time Ph.D. candidate
whose area of study was Anabolic Steroids and training with many different top National and Professional bodybuilders and talking privately to all of them.
If somebody wanted my legal opinion or help, I would barter for information or the opportunity to watch and learn how certain things are mixed, done, etc.
Harley
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Harley is spot on per usual. The pros were born with something most of us were not. I think that's the problem: the average bodybuilder cannot accept such a reality that they are... well, average.
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Dear SA,
Without knowing whether or not, during the act, you force them to cry and say, "I'm Sorry" I can not comment on the proficiency
in which you practice the act.
Harley
Whoa. Things just got weird.
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Dear Pellius,
The "cycle" is really just a time frame established after the pro decides on his competition schedule.
For example, Phil only does the Mr. O so his "cycles" are easing to map out.
He just counts back from the day of the competition and maps out what he needs to take.
After 12 weeks you have to mix your compounds otherwise you will simply destroy the receptors from constant abuse.
Of course, normal peoples' receptors can't keep coming back and performing the way the receptors of the pros do.
There is no "off" cycle for a pro as he has no natural testosterone which he can generate. After a show, a pro will
immensely slow down for a month while taking HCG. However, many pros believe that the absolute best time to put on quality
muscle is just after they finish a show and go from completely depleted to filling up with quality food, HGH and insulin to really add weight and size.
I know of the compounds and their amounts from being in the "game" for the past 28 years, interacting with people, being a full time Ph.D. candidate
whose area of study was Anabolic Steroids and training with many different top National and Professional bodybuilders and talking privately to all of them.
If somebody wanted my legal opinion or help, I would barter for information or the opportunity to watch and learn how certain things are mixed, done, etc.
Harley
A few things stand out. It seems the main difference between off season and on is the addition of orals. There is nobody, including myself during my juicing years, that didn't include orals in and out during a gaining/blasting cycle. Also, because you were very specific in the compounds mentioned, it seems odd that very common compounds like Deca, Anadrol, Dbol are not even mentioned. Usually they would included like EQ/Deca 1000mg/wk, Drol/Dbol 100mg/50mg/wk. In other words, they would be included substituting one for the other or using both except with orals.
Also, the amount of Testosterone. Now, this is assuming one is the typical, "non-rich" bodybuilder; one often goes heavy on the Test as it is the cheapest, least faked, and is a good "big and strong" compound.
I remember Trevor Smith publishing an intermediate cycle for the serious gym rat that just wants to get jacked. Now when I read this I keep in mind that this is published for the public and that Trevor knows many will take what he says and practice it, literally word for word. Also, I keep in mind because it's a publication open to everyone his incentive is to understate things.
1,000mg/wk of Testosterone
600mg/wk of Deca or EQ
100mg/day of Anadrol or 50mg/day of Dbol
100mg/3x/wk Tren Acetate
This would be for 8 weeks. Again, this is just for the non competitor gym rat that wants to bulk up.
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Dear Pellius,
The other drugs you mention, like Deca are in fact used but more so in the non-competition cycle as it really helps alleviate joint pain and the off season
is when you feel it the most. Remember, there has to be a rotation so I gave a hypothetical cycle with real stuff and real amounts. Much of it is inter-changeable.
As far as Anadrol, you will not be able to convince me that there is any real Anadrol out there nor has there been for a century.
"Real" Anadrol requires but just one pill a day, 2 a day and your nose will bleed. Today's Anadrol is all fake and filled with either test or DBol like compounds
and salt. Yes, salt.
There are 2 of the greatest drugs ever made that you can NOT find in their real make up today and they are Anadrol and Parabolan.
Let any old timer tell you about either of those drugs back when they were real and then show him a guy taking the new versions. It's a joke.
Harley
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Harley, if you go to a grappling tournament and there are no competitors in your weight/age class or let's say just one other competitor, do you feel any sense of pride in "winning" or "taking second place" or any obligation to insert an asterisk next to such victories or runner up placings? I ask because I once entered a natural powerlifting competition and was the only competitor in my weight/age group and was awarded the title of national natural champion. However, I feel like a bit of a fraud publicly claiming to be the U.S. Natural Powerlifting champion knowing that no one else showed up to beat my 670lb total.
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As far as Anadrol, you will not be able to convince me that there is any real Anadrol out there nor has there been for a century.
"Real" Anadrol requires but just one pill a day, 2 a day and your nose will bleed. Today's Anadrol is all fake and filled with either test or DBol like compounds
and salt. Yes, salt.
There are 2 of the greatest drugs ever made that you can NOT find in their real make up today and they are Anadrol and Parabolan.
Let any old timer tell you about either of those drugs back when they were real and then show him a guy taking the new versions. It's a joke.
Harley
With all due respect, this is complete BS. There is plenty real Anadrol and the tren is just as real. Look at any 80s bodybuilder's pics and then look at today's bodybuilders, there is a huge difference in "graininess" which is due to tons more tren used today. The 80's guys look soft as hell in one way, though today's guys look a bit more watery at the same time due to so high test use along with the GH and insulin.
I have gotten nosebleeds from UG Anadrol after 1 or 2 days of use, and I know others who experience the same.
Of course the oldtimers think the steroids were better before, they were younger and fresher then! No steroid is going to work the same in a 50 year old vs a fresh 20 year old.
Anadrol is made by real pharma companies in several countries, for example Iran and Turkey, Thailand had Androlic too though that may be sort of a UG, depending on who you ask. They can't get ahold of real "oxymetholone" or can't synthesize it? LOL, listen to how ridiculous that sounds. This isn't the same as making weapons grade plutonium or some shit.
Real tren and Anadrol :D
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/drryan33a.jpg)
Fake tren and Anadrol :D
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/18082/2/d/img_51461299365129.jpg)
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Dear Pellius,
The other drugs you mention, like Deca are in fact used but more so in the non-competition cycle as it really helps alleviate joint pain and the off season
is when you feel it the most. Remember, there has to be a rotation so I gave a hypothetical cycle with real stuff and real amounts. Much of it is inter-changeable.
As far as Anadrol, you will not be able to convince me that there is any real Anadrol out there nor has there been for a century.
"Real" Anadrol requires but just one pill a day, 2 a day and your nose will bleed. Today's Anadrol is all fake and filled with either test or DBol like compounds
and salt. Yes, salt.
There are 2 of the greatest drugs ever made that you can NOT find in their real make up today and they are Anadrol and Parabolan.
Let any old timer tell you about either of those drugs back when they were real and then show him a guy taking the new versions. It's a joke.
Harley
Odd you should say that about anadrol. William Lewellyn and others have lab tested various compounds and real anadrol is out there and in use. It doesn't make sense to me why that one compound, often considered one the best and therefore in demand, would be discontinued around the world. Where there is a demand there will be a supply.
And, lol, my friend, I am an old timer. I am 55 years old and my serious juicing days were in the 1980s where you would be handed vials of Deca and Dbol/Drol bottles as you walked out of the office.
I soon realized that response to gear is also genetic. A friend and I went to the same doc, got the same compounds, and used the same amount. Being roommates we even pretty much ate the same food.
He blew up. Me not so much.
The one product that I got the most response with was the Syntex anadrol. I took two 50mg/tabs/day and within 3 weeks I actually looked like I lifted weights. The only problem is that it shot up my liver values and I couldn't be on it for more than 8 weeks max. Then I lost everything by the 4th week. I also believe that tolerance to gear is genetic.
Also, I never got nose bleeds and knew others that were gunning for pro level (like Benny Podda) took 200mgs/wk of anadrol but I think he understated the amount of gear he used.
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Odd you should say that about anadrol. William Lewellyn and others have lab tested various compounds and real anadrol is out there and in use. It doesn't make sense to me why that one compound, often considered one the best and therefore in demand, would be discontinued around the world. Where there is a demand there will be a supply.
It doesn't make sense since it's BS. There are still studies being done by the medical community with oxymetholone, would they use fake oxy? Of course not. It's available, both HG and UG.
It's just fond memories of being a pimply faced teen taking Anadrol all fresh. Of course it blew you up.
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With all due respect, this is complete BS. There is plenty real Anadrol and the tren is just as real. Look at any 80s bodybuilder's pics and then look at today's bodybuilders, there is a huge difference in "graininess" which is due to tons more tren used today. The 80's guys look soft as hell in one way, though today's guys look a bit more watery at the same time due to so high test use along with the GH and insulin.
I have gotten nosebleeds from UG Anadrol after 1 or 2 days of use, and I know others who experience the same.
Of course the oldtimers think the steroids were better before, they were younger and fresher then! No steroid is going to work the same in a 50 year old vs a fresh 20 year old.
Anadrol is made by real pharma companies in several countries, for example Iran and Turkey, Thailand had Androlic too though that may be sort of a UG, depending on who you ask. They can't get ahold of real "oxymetholone" or can't synthesize it? LOL, listen to how ridiculous that sounds. This isn't the same as making weapons grade plutonium or some shit.
Real tren and Anadrol :D
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/drryan33a.jpg)
Fake tren and Anadrol :D
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/contest_media/18082/2/d/img_51461299365129.jpg)
Harley, don't take offense at Van B's tone. He's usually very measured and never gets into the pissing matches that go on here. He also has little tolerance for what he perceives as B.S. But is always open to honest debate and argument. Also, in my opinion, and this is from being on the boards since boards started in the 1990s and talking with the various gurus at Gold's Venice where I trained for many years beginning in the early 1990s, Van B is one of the most knowledgeable persons I have ever read, easily the most knowledgeable person on this board when it comes to this topic.
Also, he makes one of the arguments I made about real drol not being available. It just does not comport with common sense. I mean, what is so special about drol that it cannot be synthesized?
Again, if there is a demand for something there is going to be a supply. And I've use Parabolin in the 1980s but found the Tren Acetate much harder hitting. That makes sense when you consider
that Parabolin is a combination of various esters, each longer acting than the acetate ester. It's similar to 300 Test Prop hitting you harder and faster than 300mg of Sustanon.
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It doesn't make sense since it's BS. There are still studies being done by the medical community with oxymetholone, would they use fake oxy? Of course not. It's available, both HG and UG.
It's just fond memories of being a pimply faced teen taking Anadrol all fresh. Of course it blew you up.
Well, I don't think Harley is BSing us as that implies he is intentionally trying to mislead us. I believe he is sincere in his
belief but just simply wrong. It is proven by lab tests/assays, and you are right about studies still be done on anadrol. Also, as I said,
it just does not comport with common sense. Why only drol, a popular hormone, not able or willing to be produce.
Some may rightly say that there is no legit Parabolan anymore but that's because Parabolin is a brand. It's like saying there is no legit
Syntex anadrol. That's also true but, like Tren, oxymethone is still available.
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Harley, don't take offense at Van B's tone. He's usually very measured and never gets into the pissing matches that go on here. He also has little tolerance for what he perceives as B.S. But is always open to honest debate and argument.
I said "with all due respect" as I think Harley seems like a good guy. :D
Don't mean to fight him, I just think this idea is BS. The first steroid I took was Russian dbol. It worked better than anything since. Of course it did, I was young and fresh. Same thing with this Para and Drol thing.
Anyone can look at pics of bodybuilders of decades past and compare to today's guys. It doesn't look like today's guys are doing fake steroids to me. Sure the GH and insulin made a difference but without good steroids they are worthless.
Well, I don't think Harley is BSing us as that he implies he is intentionally trying to mislead us.
No no, didn't mean to imply he did. I know he's sincere but I don't think he thought it through, why steroids in general seemed better "back then".
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Unfortunately, with the question framed that way, I must retract your invitation.
So it was all a final fiction? Like your tax returns, which the IRS is looking into?
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Harley, if you go to a grappling tournament and there are no competitors in your weight/age class or let's say just one other competitor, do you feel any sense of pride in "winning" or "taking second place" or any obligation to insert an asterisk next to such victories or runner up placings? I ask because I once entered a natural powerlifting competition and was the only competitor in my weight/age group and was awarded the title of national natural champion. However, I feel like a bit of a fraud publicly claiming to be the U.S. Natural Powerlifting champion knowing that no one else showed up to beat my 670lb total.
Dear SquidVicious,
Terrific question!!
Success in life can be correlated to how many times you actually "show up." Of course, no one wins EVERY time he shows up (here I go again- except Rickson Gracie) but that depends
on how you define "winning."
I notice that most of the guys who mock winning by forfeit or not having an opponent, do NOT themselves train, diet, sweat, fight, deal with the nervous tension a week before the fight, etc.
Competitors don't have control over who shows up. Does anyone really think I woke up sick as a dog and drove 2 hours by myself to find out I wasn't going to fight? Did I come on GetBig
boasting about "winning" the Gold Medal? Of course not.
However, I took one step closer to learning how to manage my anxiety when competing. The better I can control that, the better I can control other areas of my life.
If you are not extrapolating your victories from one area into other areas of your life, your victories are hollow. I go off and daydream when judges start yelling at me.
Why? Because I've shown up and fought guys from all over the world. And sometimes I showed up when no one else did. Maybe I wanted it more. Maybe it was just coincidence.
One thing is for sure, it is so damn easy to make excused NOT to go, NOT to do my hour of cardio in the morning, not to train BJJ in a gi late at night when I'm tired and fight my
terrible claustrophobia. What is NOT easy is to show up. I don't measure people by their "failures" but rather by their honest "attempts." I am an over-achiever and that comes
only from my willingness to dream big and show up. I lose all the time but by merely showing up, I walk away proud of myself. Forget the Haters.
Harley
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Dear Van_Bilderass,
I am not offended by your response. This is a forum for discussion and you didn't much personally attack me.
I never said there is NO real Anadrol around. If that is what I wrote, I am mistaken. What I meant to write is that Anadrol is the one
drug in particular that consistently comes up fake here in the East Coast's Tri-State area. Yes, I am aware of the Turkish pills and those too
have been faked.
I have personal professional experience representing Medical Doctors who have been and are currently under federal prosecution for there prescription
practices. Even the ones who work with a lab and have you order from them with their own prescriptions are unable to procure Anadrol.
I am not romanticizing the gear from the 80's. There was plenty of fake gear then too and I witnessed some of America's largest gear dealers dish out
both fake and real gear from homes literally filled with cases of everything you could dream of. The homes were storage homes in which there was no room to live.
The Dbol from the Middle East and even Russia works, of course. That is if you want to blow up and hold more water than the Titanic. Even the fake stuff can work
but I am taking about efficacy. The Syntex 2902 Anadrol would crush anything from Turkey and that is not just because I Love The 80's.
Companies do of course produce steroids but the control factor is ridiculous compared to the 80's and they must justify production costs to profit margins. While the
proliferation of AIDS helps that calculation, the stringent anti-steroid laws and public hysteria deter many companies from manufacturing the products.
I am glad this has stirred conversation and some of the differences may be due to geography but I did NOT intend to "bullshit" anyone. These are simply my thoughts
based upon years of observation.
Harley
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As far as Anadrol, you will not be able to convince me that there is any real Anadrol out there nor has there been for a century.
I never said there is NO real Anadrol around.
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The Dbol from the Middle East and even Russia works, of course. That is if you want to blow up and hold more water than the Titanic. Even the fake stuff can work
but I am taking about efficacy. The Syntex 2902 Anadrol would crush anything from Turkey and that is not just because I Love The 80's.
Wasn't my intention to attack you at all. I just don't agree with the idea here. Here's the problem: either it's dbol or Anadrol or it is not. If it's fake yet blows you up, then what is the compound in the product? I know there are reported differences between generic and brand name drugs. Some people may prefer a certain brand of Xanax for example, even if the different brands of alprazolam were coming from the same pharmacy, all made by real FDA approved manufacturers. It's also known that some generics are made on the same production line as the brand name, yet people still have a preference for a certain brand! Same raw ingredient, just a different looking tab and bottle.
Athletes are failing drug tests all the time for methandrostenolone for example... but it's not the same compound as the Ciba Dianabol used to be? It obviously is based on highly sophisticated lab analyses. Recently an IFBB pro told me British Dispensary Androlic blew Turkish Anapolon away, whereas I thought the Androlic was the worst Anadrol I'd taken.:D I think both probably have been legit, it was just a different situation.
I think psychological factors affect perceived effects. Here's another example: I've seen people rave about Theramex testosterone heptylate, just an amazing testosterone product that was popular years ago. No water retention, just awesome lean gains :D What these fellas didn't know is that heptylate is just another name for the enanthate ester. How do you make test enanthate that doesn't cause water retention? :D So I think it was perceived as unusual and exclusive and that affected perceived results. I can't think of another reason for the rave reviews. Not even Milos Sarcev seemed to know heptylate is enanthate. :D
I know there are lots of fakes and misdosed products on the market but there are real drugs as well, black market anabolic steroids have been tested by government labs in many countries many times after drug busts, there has been real methandrostenolone, oxymetholone, tren, everything
I haven't seen any good explanations for the reported differences between different brands of the same drugs except psychological factors. Can anyone here offer an alternate explanation?
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Wasn't my intention to attack you at all. I just don't agree with the idea here. Here's the problem: either it's dbol or Anadrol or it is not. If it's fake yet blows you up, then what is the compound in the product? I know there are reported differences between generic and brand name drugs. Some people may prefer a certain brand of Xanax for example, even if the different brands of alprazolam were coming from the same pharmacy, all made by real FDA approved manufacturers. It's also known that some generics are made on the same production line as the brand name, yet people still have a preference for a certain brand! Same raw ingredient, just a different looking tab and bottle.
Athletes are failing drug tests all the time for methandrostenolone for example... but it's not the same compound as the Ciba Dianabol used to be? It obviously is based on highly sophisticated lab analyses. Recently an IFBB pro told me British Dispensary Androlic blew Turkish Anapolon away, whereas I thought the Androlic was the worst Anadrol I'd taken.:D I think both probably have been legit, it was just a different situation.
I think psychological factors affect perceived effects. Here's another example: I've seen people rave about Theramex testosterone heptylate, just an amazing testosterone product that was popular years ago. No water retention, just awesome lean gains :D What these fellas didn't know is that heptylate is just another name for the enanthate ester. How do you make test enanthate that doesn't cause water retention? :D So I think it was perceived as unusual and exclusive and that affected perceived results. I can't think of another reason for the rave reviews. Not even Milos Sarcev seemed to know heptylate is enanthate. :D
I know there are lots of fakes and misdosed products on the market but there are real drugs as well, black market anabolic steroids have been tested by government labs in many countries many times after drug busts, there has been real methandrostenolone, oxymetholone, tren, everything
I haven't seen any good explanations for the reported differences between different brands of the same drugs except psychological factors. Can anyone here offer an alternate explanation?
Can anyone comment on this?
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Can anyone comment on this?
I do think it is mainly psychological . Like with many products, there are pre-conceived notions about their quality, etc.... Like champion x takes French steroid xyz, so xyz must be the best. Or Chinese made xyz is made by shoeless, lead loving heathens, so it can't be as good as European xyz, and so on. Tons of old school steroid counterfeiters have commented on this effect over the years. If a product isn't selling, change the origin or attach some mythical thing to it, and suddenly it's back to being the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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I do think it is mainly physiological. Like with many products there are pre-conceived notions about their quality, etc.... Like champion x takes French steroid xyz, so xyz must be the best. Or Chinese made xyz is made by shoeless, lead loving heathens, so it can't be as good as European xyz, and so on. Tons of old school steroid counterfeiters have commented on this effect over the years. If a product isn't selling, change the origin or attach some mythical thing to it, and suddenly it's back to being the greatest thing since sliced bread.
It's a funny story about the heptylate, but so predictable.
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Hey Guys,
I attempted to correct the confusion that I alone caused regarding my stance on Anadrol. Of course there are countries producing real Anadrol and of course
there are guys in basement labs making Anadrol. Is it the same quality and strength as Syntex was back when it was produced by a massive company seeking only
to make profit? I don't think so. And again, there are many times when the stuff is just fake. Do I know what they put into fake gear? No, but we've all read and heard
the rumors. In the 80's, a bad dealer would just sell you oil and tell you it was the greatest testosterone ever.
I am of the opinion that the American companies that produced and manufactured Anadrol, Anavar, Winstrol, etc just don't do it remotely close to what they did in the past.
And again, here in the Tri-State area, Anadrol has been faked for a long time.
One other thing: It's hard to know what is truly real and how strong or weak it is when guys are doing 4-5 different things at the same time.
Harley
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It's a funny story about the heptylate, but so predictable.
And here is a perfect example of the different reactions experienced by different people from the same batch of gear.
I personally know a guy who took Heptylate and it resulted in a purple swelling which oozed the dirtiest and foulest product when punctured.
The guy had a scar for years and knew it was from that particular drug.
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Hey Guys,
I attempted to correct the confusion that I alone caused regarding my stance on Anadrol. Of course there are countries producing real Anadrol and of course
there are guys in basement labs making Anadrol. Is it the same quality and strength as Syntex was back when it was produced by a massive company seeking only
to make profit? I don't think so. And again, there are many times when the stuff is just fake. Do I know what they put into fake gear? No, but we've all read and heard
the rumors. In the 80's, a bad dealer would just sell you oil and tell you it was the greatest testosterone ever.
I am of the opinion that the American companies that produced and manufactured Anadrol, Anavar, Winstrol, etc just don't do it remotely close to what they did in the past.
And again, here in the Tri-State area, Anadrol has been faked for a long time.
One other thing: It's hard to know what is truly real and how strong or weak it is when guys are doing 4-5 different things at the same time.
Harley
Yes, this is the thing.
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I do think it is mainly psychological . Like with many products, there are pre-conceived notions about their quality, etc.... Like champion x takes French steroid xyz, so xyz must be the best. Or Chinese made xyz is made by shoeless, lead loving heathens, so it can't be as good as European xyz, and so on. Tons of old school steroid counterfeiters have commented on this effect over the years. If a product isn't selling, change the origin or attach some mythical thing to it, and suddenly it's back to being the greatest thing since sliced bread.
And none of us are really immune to the placebo or nocebo effect. Even with me writing what I did above I might still prefer a certain brand, maybe just because I liked the way it was packaged or the sound of the name or the taste, shape or color of the pill or whatever. :D
I seem to remember Duchaine selling some "East German" rare steroid which he had in fact brewed himself with common steroids. People thought it was magic. :D
Ric Drasin said on one of his shows how they used 1-2cc of EQ a week and were blowing up. That's 50-100mg. Must have been some strong shit, nowadays most feel you need at least 800mg to even notice it. Nah, selective memory, placebo etc.
Craig Titus said there's no tren on the market period. Only Negma Para was tren, all this new "tren" was just relabeled EQ. :D
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And none of us are really immune to the placebo or nocebo effect. Even with me writing what I did above I might still prefer a certain brand, maybe just because I liked the way it was packaged or the sound of the name or the taste, shape or color of the pill or whatever. :D
I seem to remember Duchaine selling some "East German" rare steroid which he had in fact brewed himself with common steroids. People thought it was magic. :D
Yeah. You will genetically prefer one brand or thing over another.
You can't really do anything.
:D
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So what about all these chicks thinking they're doing types of gear with lower risk for masculinity, but they turn into men anyway. How can anyone in that position place even a hint of trust in what they're doing? That must be one of the riskiest games going.
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I am of the opinion that the American companies that produced and manufactured Anadrol, Anavar, Winstrol, etc just don't do it remotely close to what they did in the past.
I hear what you're saying. But how could the quality have gone down even with real american companies still making brand name Anadrol, Oxandrin etc? I know you don't have an explanation but it doesn't make sense to me, unless there's some type of conspiracy going on. :D
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I hear what you're saying. But how could the quality have gone down even with real american companies still making brand name Anadrol, Oxandrin etc? I know you don't have an explanation but it doesn't make sense to me, unless there's some type of conspiracy going on. :D
When it comes to hormones, nothing would surprise me.
It seems like we're being bombarded with estrogen through products, etc., for one thing.
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When it comes to hormones, nothing would surprise me.
It seems like we're being bombarded with estrogen through products, etc., for one thing.
sad fact.
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I hear what you're saying. But how could the quality have gone down even with real american companies still making brand name Anadrol, Oxandrin etc? I know you don't have an explanation but it doesn't make sense to me, unless there's some type of conspiracy going on. :D
I meant that they were not producing the quantity in the same way.
But let me ask you this: Why are practically all doctors who prescribe gear so unwilling to prescribe Anadrol? That can't just be an East Coast phenomena.
What American company currently produces Anadrol? I am just curious so that I can see if that is even available.
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I meant that they were not producing the quantity in the same way.
But let me ask you this: Why are practically all doctors who prescribe gear so unwilling to prescribe Anadrol? That can't just be an East Coast phenomena.
What American company currently produces Anadrol? I am just curious so that I can see if that is even available.
I'm not in the US myself but seems like the company is Alaven?
www.anadrol.com
I think it has such a narrow indication list, just anemia, they just can't write it off-label without fear. I'm sure a small amount ends up on the black market anyway, perhaps stolen etc.
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I'm not in the US myself but seems like the company is Alaven?
www.anadrol.com
I think it has such a narrow indication list, they just can't write it off-label without fear.
Avalen got bought out, here is the new info -
http://www.thepmd.com/anadrol-50/directoryproduct/1934/ .
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Avalen got bought out, here is the new info -
http://www.thepmd.com/anadrol-50/directoryproduct/1934/ .
Alright, thanks.
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These products are being much more tightly controlled than in the past, I'd bet.
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And none of us are really immune to the placebo or nocebo effect. Even with me writing what I did above I might still prefer a certain brand, maybe just because I liked the way it was packaged or the sound of the name or the taste, shape or color of the pill or whatever. :D
I seem to remember Duchaine selling some "East German" rare steroid which he had in fact brewed himself with common steroids. People thought it was magic. :D
Ric Drasin said on one of his shows how they used 1-2cc of EQ a week and were blowing up. That's 50-100mg. Must have been some strong shit, nowadays most feel you need at least 800mg to even notice it. Nah, selective memory, placebo etc.
Craig Titus said there's no tren on the market period. Only Negma Para was tren, all this new "tren" was just relabeled EQ. :D
Bolasterone. I used it back in the 1980s once. When it was told to me
me in a guarded, hushed tone that it was smuggled in from East Germany I knew I finally found something that would bust through my genetic limitation.
It did not.
The only compounds that I noticeably respond to is tren and drol. I even use to convert the fina pellets and they worked great. But tren
just killed my cardio and I was more interested in athletic performance than muscles. Drol's gains were short lived and too liver toxic. I could feel the lethargy and loss of appetite.
Since my main purpose in using PEDS was not to pose on stage but to enhance functional ability and improve quality of life it just didn't seem worth it to use those very effective, in terms of muscle hypertrophy, compounds.
I'm at peace with my twinkish physique.
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Hey Guys,
As promised, but let's start with the stuff that is NOT killing bodybuilders.
A typical professional bodybuilder DOES take more than the average person!!! THEY are NOT average. Their bodies, through the
good grace of whatever higher being you wish to choose and superior genetics, absorb and process anabolic steroids infinitely better than
any of us could. Most guys will look at cycles consisting of 12 week blocks.
So here goes:
1) Testosterone- 1,500 mg per week
2) Equipoise- 1,000 mg per week
3) Tren- 800- 1,000 mg per week (remember- Tren is 100 mg/cc)
4) Masterone- 800-1,000 mg per week
5) HGH- There are pros who can afford to do 9IU per day and will do it forever.
That is a typical cycle but when the contest comes, things change:
1) Add Winstrol Depot- 800-1,000 mg per week (Remember- many guys simply take it in a sublingual manner so no shots)
2) Winstrol- In pill form they will do 200-400 mg per day
3) Anavar- 200 to 400 mg per day
4) Arimedex- 1 pill per day
5) Primobolan- 6 to 10 ccs per week.
Now, that is the stuff that is NOT killing them. Here lies the problem:
1) Clenbuterol- 40 mcg pills - Up to 5 pills a day is not uncommon
2) DNP- 3-5 pills per day but sustained use
3) Insulin- There are guys who actually take 15 IU per day
4) Diuretics- Dyazide or Lasix - Guys usually just use this a week out before a show but some rely too heavily upon it and think it will
replace strict dieting and hard cardio
I don't think you guys will be shocked by any of this. BUT, remember, these pros NEVER come off so these dosages accumulate to astonishing sums very
quickly and when you think about today's pros who have been winning National level shows since they were literally teenagers, think about how much gear
they have taken. The pros who have died have almost always died at contest time. There are reasons for that.
I hope this answers your questions and provokes many more which I would be happy to try and answer if in fact, I know the answer.
Harley
thanks very much for this info Harley
I believe it to be relatively accurate - of course there are some pros who would be using more, some less but on average it sounds accurate (compared to what I have heard /seen from others "in the know")
but laughing @ Yates and levrone, stating they only used 1-2 grams of test and some 600mg deca and some d bol and laughing even more @ those who would believe that
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Dear Old School Lifter,
I was happy to answer your question. I thought the dissension would be as to the amounts, not to my side note that finding
real Anadrol on the East Coast was extremely difficult.
I thought the list of what I believe actually kills the guys would provoke more discussion. It's scary what insulin, Clenbuterol,
cytomel and DNP can do in those amounts.
Thanks again for asking me about it.
Harley
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Dear Big Cyp,
The mother is not permitted under law to move with children to another country, almost always, not even another state, without a Court Order.
Your friend should consider an emergent motion (Order to Show Cause) to not only prevent her from leaving, but to demonstrate to the Court
that strict rules need to be implemented now, that he be granted Temporary Residential Custody, that the mother can not be trusted and that the father is not going to violate rules of Court.
Harley
Thank you brother, much appreciated.
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Harley, has Craig's training session that you told us about been posted online to watch yet?
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Dear Old School Lifter,
I was happy to answer your question. I thought the dissension would be as to the amounts, not to my side note that finding
real Anadrol on the East Coast was extremely difficult.
I thought the list of what I believe actually kills the guys would provoke more discussion. It's scary what insulin, Clenbuterol,
cytomel and DNP can do in those amounts.
Thanks again for asking me about it.
Harley
Has there ever been a case where a pro bodybuilder killed himself using/abusing insulin and cytomel? If so, what were the circumstances?
I'm surprise you didn't mention diuretics where there have been documented cases of bodybuilders dying due to the electrolyte imbalance. It was only a couple of years ago where a bodybuilder died of a heart attack competing in a local contest due to Lasix dropping his potassium levels too low
You're not off the hook yet regarding the amounts. ;)
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Thank you brother, much appreciated.
Anytime I can offer some legal advice, it's no problem.
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Harley, has Craig's training session that you told us about been posted online to watch yet?
I believe so far they have just posted his "tips of the day" on the NPC website.
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Has there ever been a case where a pro bodybuilder killed himself using/abusing insulin and cytomel? If so, what were the circumstances?
I'm surprise you didn't mention diuretics where there have been documented cases of bodybuilders dying due to the electrolyte imbalance. It was only a couple of years ago where a bodybuilder died of a heart attack competing in a local contest due to Lasix dropping his potassium levels too low
You're not off the hook yet regarding the amounts. ;)
I DID mention diuretics in the list of items I believe are attributable to actually killing these guys.
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Anytime I can offer some legal advice, it's no problem.
Bless you for that.
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Bless you for that.
It's no big deal to give advice to someone in some need. If however, I don't know the answer, I will go to one of my lawyer friends who should know
but if I can't find the answer I will just let you know that I just don't know the answer rather than give some erroneous advice just to sound smart.
I have tried to do the same to those who have sent me a PM in regard to a private legal matter. Those are matters which I can never discuss.
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It's no big deal to give advice to someone in some need. If however, I don't know the answer, I will go to one of my lawyer friends who should know
but if I can't find the answer I will just let you know that I just don't know the answer rather than give some erroneous advice just to sound smart.
I have tried to do the same to those who have sent me a PM in regard to a private legal matter. Those are matters which I can never discuss.
This is great of you Harley.
Thank you for this , you are a true asset to Getbig.
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It's no big deal to give advice to someone in some need. If however, I don't know the answer, I will go to one of my lawyer friends who should know
but if I can't find the answer I will just let you know that I just don't know the answer rather than give some erroneous advice just to sound smart.
I have tried to do the same to those who have sent me a PM in regard to a private legal matter. Those are matters which I can never discuss.
Thank you for this.
Much appreciated.
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I DID mention diuretics in the list of items I believe are attributable to actually killing these guys.
How much diuretics though Harley? My mother is on two lasix 40mg a day for cancer and there'sno Iill effects from these
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How much diuretics though Harley? My mother is on two lasix 40mg a day for cancer and there'sno Iill effects from these
Dear Wizard of Truth,
First and foremost, I am sorry your Mom is under the ravages of cancer. This country sends billions of dollars to help countries house those
who commit acts of terrorism or continue to claim they have no idea of our MIAs but we don't do enough to research this horrible plague.
I am no medical doctor but depending on what treatment and or medication your Mom receives, she may indeed by experiencing a concomitant of
ill effects, each of which would be hard to differentiate the exact cause.
Also, pro bodybuilders take much higher dosages in a shorter period of time. Diazide is sucked down several times a day when the body fat percentage
is so low that it has all but destroyed the resistance and immune system of these guys. Remember too, that your Mom still drinks while taking the pills.
I've seen bodybuilders go without water for the last 24 hours while still ingesting Diazide every couple of hours.
Harley
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This is great of you Harley.
Thank you for this , you are a true asset to Getbig.
Considering some of those photos you guys post on Random Pics, it is the least I could do.
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Hey Guys,
We are just 2 days from the 212 Mr. Olympia weigh-ins and my Training Partner, Craig Richardson is getting ready.
Here he is this morning on his 3rd day of only 40 grams of carbs per day. The water is slowing coming off.
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Craig this morning
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Considering some of those photos you guys post on Random Pics, it is the least I could do.
What photos are your favorites?
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Craig looks great. Good luck to him. The 212's are stacked.
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What photos are your favorites?
Oh no, I am not answering that question. But there is one girl who is simply out of this world.
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Oh no, I am not answering that question. But there is one girl who is simply out of this world.
Ok, how about this, who posted the girl? :D
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Craig looks great. Good luck to him. The 212's are stacked.
Dear Ronnie Rep,
Thanks. You are right in that one could argue that the 212 is a tighter race than the Open.
I tell you this prediction, the level of conditioning in the 212 will be better than that of the Open.
Harley
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CRAIGS legs are always outstanding,,he looks great,knock on him hi lats/tris,he seasoned competitior and never played size game..props good luck to him..
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Dear Old School Lifter,
I was happy to answer your question. I thought the dissension would be as to the amounts, not to my side note that finding
real Anadrol on the East Coast was extremely difficult.
I thought the list of what I believe actually kills the guys would provoke more discussion. It's scary what insulin, Clenbuterol,
cytomel and DNP can do in those amounts.
Thanks again for asking me about it.
Harley
Alright, here's a question. Without naming names, are there pros who use DNP and are the known top gurus who recommend its use? There hasn't been a single pro who admitted they used it publicly nor has there been a guru who admitted they worked with it. What's more, several pros have said they do not even know any other pro who tried it, that its use is basically nonexistant in the pro ranks. :D
Thanks for your thoughts 8)
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Alright, here's a question. Without naming names, are there pros who use DNP and are the known top gurus who recommend its use? There hasn't been a single pro who admitted they used it publicly nor has there been a guru who admitted they worked with it. What's more, several pros have said they do not even know any other pro who tried it, that its use is basically nonexistant in the pro ranks. :D
Thanks for your thoughts 8)
I know someone that used it yrs ago for a local show ,he soaked through sheets and clothes like no tomorrow,,and flattened himself out and wasted muscle..
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Ok, how about this, who posted the girl? :D
I don't want to continue this line but Herne sure must clock in the hours at the computer and I, for one, am
thankful that he does. He gets free legal advice from me whenever he likes.
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I know someone that used it yrs ago for a local show ,he soaked through sheets and clothes like no tomorrow,,and flattened himself out and wasted muscle..
I think it's great when used at low dosage. Only thing that scares me is the eye cataract thing. Rare, but still... and yeah, the potential allergic reaction.
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college (6135).jpg is a personal favorite:
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Alright, here's a question. Without naming names, are there pros who use DNP and are the known top gurus who recommend its use? There hasn't been a single pro who admitted they used it publicly nor has there been a guru who admitted they worked with it. What's more, several pros have said they do not even know any other pro who tried it, that its use is basically nonexistant in the pro ranks. :D
Thanks for your thoughts 8)
Dear Van_Bilderass,
Are you kidding? DNP is one of the hottest and biggest selling drugs out there!!! Guys buy it in large amounts as it runs out quickly!!! I personally know more than a handful
of pros who use it and I don't even bother to ask them if their guys or friends use it because it's so rampant.
And the gurus you ask? They aren't going to let their clients have a distinct disadvantage to another guru's client, especially when gurus are "stealing" client away from other
gurus. You don't want the guru next to you to supplant you as the "next hot and best guru."
There are many guys finishing in the top 10 of the Mr. O this year that wouldn't get on that stage without it. I know this for a fact and have seen it with my own eyes.
Harley
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Dear Van_Bilderass,
Are you kidding? DNP is one of the hottest and biggest selling drugs out there!!! Guys buy it in large amounts as it runs out quickly!!! I personally know more than a handful
of pros who use it and I don't even bother to ask them if their guys or friends use it because it's so rampant.
And the gurus you ask? They aren't going to let their clients have a distinct disadvantage to another guru's client, especially when gurus are "stealing" client away from other
gurus. You don't want the guru next to you to supplant you as the "next hot and best guru."
There are many guys finishing in the top 10 of the Mr. O this year that wouldn't get on that stage without it. I know this for a fact and have seen it with my own eyes.
Harley
I hear you. I wanted to see how honest you were ;D
Unfortunately most gurus and forum experts have this "we have to protect the kids from harmful information" thing going on.
IMO the truth is never a bad thing. 8)
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Dear Van_Bilderass,
I didn't mean to write "Are you kidding?" as if to imply you were not knowledgeable.
I meant it to over-score just how prevalent DNP is.
Harley
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Dear Oliolioli,
That is a big question to which I have referenced before on the "NJ Man Pleads Guilty To Killing Friend With 25 Pound Dumbbell" and on this thread
BUT, it is a very important question to me and I feel it should be answered here on this thread which you guys were kind enough to create.
I promise to answer that question but first, I must fulfill my promise of answering the question as to how much gear the pros use IN MY OPINION.
I will answer your question too, I promise.
Harley
Dear HarleyBreite,
Any update on this please?
Oliolioli
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I promise to respond to that specific question. I am just trying to get over this cold which is trying to wipe me out before the Olympia.
I didn't forget.
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I promise to respond to that specific question. I am just trying to get over this cold which is trying to wipe me out before the Olympia.
I didn't forget.
You have to rest when you're sick, Harley! Going out to get beaten-up by your fight trainer won't help you to get well.
:)
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No, I can do that as I will be helping Craig in Vegas with his final push for the 212 Mr. Olympia. He can't have
anyone around him who happens to be sick.
So how many GetBiggers are actually coming to see the show?
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No, I can do that as I will be helping Craig in Vegas with his final push for the 212 Mr. Olympia. He can't have
anyone around him who happens to be sick.
So how many GetBiggers are actually coming to see the show?
Yes, that's probably the biggest problem with YOU being sick right now, is having it transfer to Craig. The worst possible timing.
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Dear Get Biggers,
Craig really appreciates just how nice you guys have been and has asked me to make sure that all GetBiggers identify themselves and come up and meet him.
I am now going to announce that unlike everyone else at Meet The Olympians, any GetBigger who introduces himself to me and Craig does NOT
pay for an autographed photo of Craig (if you even want one). And unlike Lou Ferrigno (with whom I had 2 altercations at 2 different Olympias)
ALL photos you take of and with Craig are of course, free.
Craig has held his condition perhaps a bit too long and is concerned about getting that last bit of water out. Your body fights change especially after
punishing it so long with a diet like that. If that waters comes out, LOOK OUT!!! Putting politics aside, if that water comes out, Craig could possibly make
the top 3 in my opinion- - and yes, I know I am biased.
I posted pictures of Craig this morning on this thread and hope you like them.
Harley
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Im curious how the Jhymiere Moore case will turn out. I couldnt find any more info beyond the fact he turned himself in over a year ago.
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Hey Guys,
We are just 2 days from the 212 Mr. Olympia weigh-ins and my Training Partner, Craig Richardson is getting ready.
Here he is this morning on his 3rd day of only 40 grams of carbs per day. The water is slowing coming off.
Looking good. Solid legs!!
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dear Harley
please tell us about your altercations with Louie Ferrigno
I have heard many stories that Lou is an absolute douchebag
did you choke him out and rip off his toupe?
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dear Harley
please tell us about your altercations with Louie Ferrigno
I have heard many stories that Lou is an absolute douchebag
did you choke him out and rip off his toupe?
I must be the only person to have a decent experience with Lou. Met him in Golds Venice in 94, he took a pic with me (for free) and then we talked about Edmonton for about 20 minutes which is where I was living at the time. Was super nice to me. On the opposite end of the spectrum, Paul Dillett and Gary Strydom were Complete assholes
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Dear Potatank,
My client, "J" as I like to call him was indicted for the murder of 12 year old Genesis Rincon.
Shortly after his turning himself in on that matter, he was,, while sitting in jail, indicted on another, separate murder case.
Thus, he has 2 current, pending Murder indictments.
I've been screaming for a trial but the system is not in a hurry to hear justice.
J has been offered a plea deal in which the State would kindly recommend "40 Years" on each case. Laughable.
The punishment for Murder in New Jersey is 30 years minimum with a maximum of Life. The sentence carries an 85% Parole Disqualifier,
meaning you must serve 85% of your sentence before you can even be considered for parole.
J will turn 21 years old this November. Few people live for 40 years in state prison. Trust me, you just don't read about it.
Harley
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Dear Potatank,
My client, "J" as I like to call him was indicted for the murder of 12 year old Genesis Rincon.
Shortly after his turning himself in on that matter, he was,, while sitting in jail, indicted on another, separate murder case.
Thus, he has 2 current, pending Murder indictments.
I've been screaming for a trial but the system is not in a hurry to hear justice.
J has been offered a plea deal in which the State would kindly recommend "40 Years" on each case. Laughable.
The punishment for Murder in New Jersey is 30 years minimum with a maximum of Life. The sentence carries an 85% Parole Disqualifier,
meaning you must serve 85% of your sentence before you can even be considered for parole.
J will turn 21 years old this November. Few people live for 40 years in state prison. Trust me, you just don't read about it.
Harley
damnnnnnnnnn
thanks for the answer, appreciate it.
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Craig Richardson this morning weighing 212 lbs.
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Craig Richardson this morning weighing 212 lbs.
HIS DELTS LOOK INSANE THERE,HE LOOKS DRY,,NICE JOB,,JUST SOME THICKNESS AROUND LATS TO NIT PICK'ITS HIS STRUCTURE FROM REAR 'HI LATS..HOPE HE DOES WELL TOP 5 WOULD BE NICE...TOUGH CLASS..HE'S 5'7 GOING AGAINST 5'4-5'5 GUYS THERE..
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Dear NJFLEX,
Thank you from both me and Craig for your constant support. It is a stacked class and there are some guys who Craig and I really
hope don't come ahead of him but we are there for him to do his best and that will be just fine.
Harley
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Dear Potatank,
My client, "J" as I like to call him was indicted for the murder of 12 year old Genesis Rincon.
Shortly after his turning himself in on that matter, he was,, while sitting in jail, indicted on another, separate murder case.
Thus, he has 2 current, pending Murder indictments.
I've been screaming for a trial but the system is not in a hurry to hear justice.
J has been offered a plea deal in which the State would kindly recommend "40 Years" on each case. Laughable.
The punishment for Murder in New Jersey is 30 years minimum with a maximum of Life. The sentence carries an 85% Parole Disqualifier,
meaning you must serve 85% of your sentence before you can even be considered for parole.
J will turn 21 years old this November. Few people live for 40 years in state prison. Trust me, you just don't read about it.
Harley
Did he do the crimes or not?
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Dear NJFLEX,
Thank you from both me and Craig for your constant support. It is a stacked class and there are some guys who Craig and I really
hope don't come ahead of him but we are there for him to do his best and that will be just fine.
Harley
YOUR WELCOME MAN...this guy is a great pro ,consistent,people fail to realize in 90's early on as teen this guy looked leaps ahead of guys in there 20's doing the new jersey/suburban shows ,he was like beau matlock,jason arntz,,look like a potential pro at 20 insane,,he still does it that's awesome,and he's a great guy to boot...
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Harley, why don't people live for 40 years in state prisons?
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Hey Guys,
I don't work on my birthday so tomorrow, I promise to devote as much time as it takes to respond to all the questions I've yet to respond to.
Some guy was nice enough to start a 2015 Craig Richardson and Harley Breite Appreciation Thread and what happens? There is now some
conspiracy that Craig said on one of the BFTO dvds that he and I sleep together.
Really? Why do people have to turn normal stuff into homosexual threats and accusations. One guy threatened me if I didn't come clean and admit to
some ridiculous notion that Craig and I are gay.
I thought America was still a place where guys could be guys and not immediately attacked as gay. We train together and are friends. What is so complicated?
Yet, guys play in softball leagues and aren't accused of such ridiculous things. I can see why you guys lose your patience some times.
Harley
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Harley, why don't people live for 40 years in state prisons?
Probably the food and the stress.
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Hey Guys,
I don't work on my birthday so tomorrow, I promise to devote as much time as it takes to respond to all the questions I've yet to respond to.
Some guy was nice enough to start a 2015 Craig Richardson and Harley Breite Appreciation Thread and what happens? There is now some
conspiracy that Craig said on one of the BFTO dvds that he and I sleep together.
Really? Why do people have to turn normal stuff into homosexual threats and accusations. One guy threatened me if I didn't come clean and admit to
some ridiculous notion that Craig and I are gay.
I thought America was still a place where guys could be guys and not immediately attacked as gay. We train together and are friends. What is so complicated?
Yet, guys play in softball leagues and aren't accused of such ridiculous things. I can see why you guys lose your patience some times.
Harley
You're above that stuff, guy. Shrug it off.
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You are right. Damn, how many strippers does a guy have to bang before he can get a little love around here?
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Harley, why don't people live for 40 years in state prisons?
Everyday is the same day.
Nothing is new.
Always the same experience over and over.
They die of boredom.
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Harley, I just read the article on Craig's "48-hours leading to" the 2011 Toronto Pro.
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Here's for some luck for Craig at the O:
(http://bodybuilding-blog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SNAG-0044_03-972x1024.jpg)
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Here's for some luck for Craig at the O:
(http://bodybuilding-blog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SNAG-0044_03-972x1024.jpg)
MOMEMT of VICTORY!
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MOMEMT of VICTORY!
Great catch!
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It is a stacked division even though less exciting because the guys are much smaller.
The 2 Korean guys are incredibly impressive and Kang is huge. So much so, that upon seeing him on stage,
I respectfully referred to him as King Kong.
Let's see if Craig's conditioning comes in at the right time and if it does, let's see who else has glutes and just
how the judges reward that type of freakish conditioning.
Guy Sisternino has, for years, been running his mouth about how much better he is than Craig and how Guy is always
the real winner of every show but the judges rip him off.
I am anxious to see what Craig can do about that constant mouth running of Guy's.
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It is a stacked division even though less exciting because the guys are much smaller.
The 2 Korean guys are incredibly impressive and Kang is huge. So much so, that upon seeing him on stage,
I respectfully referred to him as King Kong.
Let's see if Craig's conditioning comes in at the right time and if it does, let's see who else has glutes and just
how the judges reward that type of freakish conditioning.
Guy Sisternino has, for years, been running his mouth about how much better he is than Craig and how Guy is always
the real winner of every show but the judges rip him off.
I am anxious to see what Craig can do about that constant mouth running of Guy's.
JERSEY VS JERSEY..AGAIN CRAIG WAS BETTER AMATEUR AS WELL...
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Harley, have Craig and you discussed this whole Kai situation? If so, what are both of yours take on this? Really disappointed that Kai is out. I really think this was his last chance to win with Ramy in the wings.
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Hey Guys,
So I promised to use today to answer all outstanding questions.
I will do as much as I can. And again, I thank you for all the questions (except those few guys who keep
claiming that Craig said he and I sleep together- - very frustrating sometimes).
Harley
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Happy Birthday, Harley!
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Here's a funny question for you...
Do you drink coffee?
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Harley, have Craig and you discussed this whole Kai situation? If so, what are both of yours take on this? Really disappointed that Kai is out. I really think this was his last chance to win with Ramy in the wings.
Dear Pellius,
As per Craig, he doesn't get too involved with other things or persons in the bodybuilding world. He is what you might consider a "blue-collar" bodybuilder. He shops for all his own
food. He himself, cooks all his own food. He comes to the gym and only talks to others as much as I permit and we train. After we train, he leaves the gym immediately to go home and
spend time with his wife, kids and granddaughter with whom he lives. He is very humble and gets embarrassed when people stare at him. He lives the dream while also living in the "real world"
and maintaining a family and real job.
Me, on the other hand, my mind and perspectives on life have plagued me into a life of constant thinking. This is perhaps one reason one of my college degrees is in Philosophy. I am always thinking.
One of the things I think most about is "business." As you know, I have run my own law firm for 22 years and run my own charity for mentally and physically challenged kids. I am always thinking
about how to improve these 2 areas. This leads me into looking into other areas of life which I like and ponder, "How would I run and improve that business if someone gave me the reigns?"
I often think about how I would love to work with the UFC and have a high position role in their promotions and operations.
So, as to Kai, I had previously respectfully disagreed with some guy here Vince G as to just how good idea it was for Kai to have his own supplement line. I had written my opinion as to why
Kai was exactly the type of person who should NOT have his own product or business.
It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to realize that the best manner in which to launch your own product, with your own name and your own image is at the sport's biggest event of the year.
Imagine if Kai had won the Olympia and the amount of publicity generated from that and to be applied to promote his brand new product. If in fact, Kai does not compete, I could not
believe he could've created a more disastrous start to his new business. What kind of Advisor would even permit him to do this? If I were going into business with him, even as just producing
his product, my contract with him would mandate that he compete in the Mr. O.
Also, are you a professional bodybuilder or not? If so, you compete at the highest level you can if you can afford to do it. Kai can afford to take the gear, eat the food and not have a
conventional job. Therefore, he should be competing in the Mr. O. Perhaps he doesn't care to put it all on the line. Perhaps he doesn't want to be considered "The Best." That is a personal choice for him and that is fine BUT as per BUSINESS, this is yet another example of someone wanting to run their own business who should never have his own business. He is in for a rude awakening and his "Advisors"
are not his friends nor are they doing him the correct service.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
So I promised to use today to answer all outstanding questions.
I will do as much as I can. And again, I thank you for all the questions (except those few guys who keep
claiming that Craig said he and I sleep together- - very frustrating sometimes).
Harley
It's people testing you to see if you'll get angry.. just roll with it, Harley (nh)
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Here's a funny question for you...
Do you drink coffee?
Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks for the birthday wish.
I am addicted to coffee and don't even speak until sipping that first hot cup in the morning.
I prefer Brazilian coffee and have been caught smuggling it back to America on more than one occasion.
I never had coffee from Kenya but would like to try it just once.
When I do a consult, I usually try to have a Dunkin' Donuts Ice Coffee with me at the table. I hate their hot coffee and hate Starbucks too.
I am not a coffee snob so I drink coffee from 7-11 or at a diner. New Jersey is famous for its diners and their coffee is notoriously awesome.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
As per Craig, he doesn't get too involved with other things or persons in the bodybuilding world. He is what you might consider a "blue-collar" bodybuilder. He shops for all his own
food. He himself, cooks all his own food. He comes to the gym and only talks to others as much as I permit and we train. After we train, he leaves the gym immediately to go home and
spend time with his wife, kids and granddaughter with whom he lives. He is very humble and gets embarrassed when people stare at him. He lives the dream while also living in the "real world"
and maintaining a family and real job.
Me, on the other hand, my mind and perspectives on life have plagued me into a life of constant thinking. This is perhaps one reason one of my college degrees is in Philosophy. I am always thinking.
One of the things I think most about is "business." As you know, I have run my own law firm for 22 years and run my own charity for mentally and physically challenged kids. I am always thinking
about how to improve these 2 areas. This leads me into looking into other areas of life which I like and ponder, "How would I run and improve that business if someone gave me the reigns?"
I often think about how I would love to work with the UFC and have a high position role in their promotions and operations.
So, as to Kai, I had previously respectfully disagreed with some guy here Vince G as to just how good idea it was for Kai to have his own supplement line. I had written my opinion as to why
Kai was exactly the type of person who should NOT have his own product or business.
It doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to realize that the best manner in which to launch your own product, with your own name and your own image is at the sport's biggest event of the year.
Imagine if Kai had won the Olympia and the amount of publicity generated from that and to be applied to promote his brand new product. If in fact, Kai does not compete, I could not
believe he could've created a more disastrous start to his new business. What kind of Advisor would even permit him to do this? If I were going into business with him, even as just producing
his product, my contract with him would mandate that he compete in the Mr. O.
Also, are you a professional bodybuilder or not? If so, you compete at the highest level you can if you can afford to do it. Kai can afford to take the gear, eat the food and not have a
conventional job. Therefore, he should be competing in the Mr. O. Perhaps he doesn't care to put it all on the line. Perhaps he doesn't want to be considered "The Best." That is a personal choice for him and that is fine BUT as per BUSINESS, this is yet another example of someone wanting to run their own business who should never have his own business. He is in for a rude awakening and his "Advisors"
are not his friends nor are they doing him the correct service.
Harley
Funny how no one seems to know who is advising Kai. That's a real stumper (not even so much who it is, but why no one knows)...
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Hey Guys,
So I promised to use today to answer all outstanding questions.
I will do as much as I can. And again, I thank you for all the questions (except those few guys who keep
claiming that Craig said he and I sleep together- - very frustrating sometimes).
Harley
It is unfortunate that you have to deal with such libel.
Happy birthday HB!
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks for the birthday wish.
I am addicted to coffee and don't even speak until sipping that first hot cup in the morning.
I prefer Brazilian coffee and have been caught smuggling it back to America on more than one occasion.
I never had coffee from Kenya but would like to try it just once.
When I do a consult, I usually try to have a Dunkin' Donuts Ice Coffee with me at the table. I hate their hot coffee and hate Starbucks too.
I am not a coffee snob so I drink coffee from 7-11 or at a diner. New Jersey is famous for its diners and their coffee is notoriously awesome.
Harley
Can you pin down what it is you dislike about Starbucks, Harley?
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Can you pin down what it is you dislike about Starbucks, Harley?
Starbucks to me always tastes very "burnt", if that makes sense.
I'm told they do it like this on purpose because it's very easy to control the taste from store to store (so that a coffee from Starbucks always tastes like a coffee from Starbucks).
Not a bad idea I suppose, if you're into that taste. I prefer to brew my own at home (French press, no homo) but don't often have the time in the morning.
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Starbucks to me always tastes very "burnt", if that makes sense.
I'm told they do it like this on purpose because it's very easy to control the taste from store to store (so that a coffee from Starbucks always tastes like a coffee from Starbucks).
Not a bad idea I suppose, if you're into that taste. I prefer to brew my own at home (French press, no homo) but don't often have the time in the morning.
I like a starbucks Verona black 1 splenda,,I drink black coffee usually or add non fat hazelnut creamer 'no homo'..
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Starbucks to me always tastes very "burnt", if that makes sense.
I'm told they do it like this on purpose because it's very easy to control the taste from store to store (so that a coffee from Starbucks always tastes like a coffee from Starbucks).
Not a bad idea I suppose, if you're into that taste. I prefer to brew my own at home (French press, no homo) but don't often have the time in the morning.
Often times I totally agree. Seems that Starbucks make their coffee too fast and under too high heat. That "burnt" taste is exactly that.
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Dear Harley,
Im not sure if you answered this in other posts, but what is your general opinion of prosecutors and judges you have dealt with over the years?
Are prosecutors really seeking justice? Are they just looking to further their career with no care given to the accused? What about judges?
I know not all are the same, but is there a general personality type that seeks to be a prosecutor or seeks to be a judge?
On the flip side, what are most private defense attorneys like? Money grubbers? Seekers of justice? Combination of both?
Dear Oliolioli,
Let me answer you question in 3 parts so as not to create a terribly long response.
Prosecutors- Let me begin by saying that I am reluctant to draw labels on others or to create stereotypes. I despise when others do that to me.
But, in order to answer your question, I will give my general thoughts.
Too few Prosecutors believe that a Defendant is innocent. The charge itself, to them, is too overwhelming to overcome. They feel that if you are charged,
then you are guilty. They don't take into account whether or not Law Enforcement abided by all the rules or cheated and cut corners or just flat out lied.
The power they yield is frightening. There needs to be a bit more compassion towards those with addictions. Drug addicts need something more than just long
prison sentences. Also, "Victimless Crimes" like prostitution and gambling need to be given a closer examination.
Rather than attempting to appear "tough on crime" in order to move up the ladder or seek a judgeship, why not take more of a humanitarian look at the file. If they
would just stop with that "well, that is the office policy" nonsense and make a decision which is sincere and could actually help people I would have much more respect for them. It's as
if they all come from perfect homes, never dealt with mental illness or drug addiction and have some code of moral superiority they feel they must impose upon others.
Harley
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It is unfortunate that you have to deal with such libel.
Happy birthday HB!
There are enough strippers who can show cashed checks for rent, cars and education to corroborate my heterosexuality. LOL
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Starbucks to me always tastes very "burnt", if that makes sense.
I'm told they do it like this on purpose because it's very easy to control the taste from store to store (so that a coffee from Starbucks always tastes like a coffee from Starbucks).
Not a bad idea I suppose, if you're into that taste. I prefer to brew my own at home (French press, no homo) but don't often have the time in the morning.
No, it makes perfect sense... but you find that's the norm instead of the exception?
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Can you pin down what it is you dislike about Starbucks, Harley?
Dear Las Vegas,
I agree, and further stress that its only "taste" is that of burnt coffee.
Also, as a matter of principle, why so expensive? Is it twice as good as the $1.49 cup at 7-11 which you can make to your own liking.
Harley
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Often times I totally agree. Seems that Starbucks make their coffee too fast and under too high heat. That "burnt" taste is exactly that.
Yes, it is exactly that. I've always thought it's because they overestimated demand that morning.
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Dear Harley,
Im not sure if you answered this in other posts, but what is your general opinion of prosecutors and judges you have dealt with over the years?
Are prosecutors really seeking justice? Are they just looking to further their career with no care given to the accused? What about judges?
I know not all are the same, but is there a general personality type that seeks to be a prosecutor or seeks to be a judge?
On the flip side, what are most private defense attorneys like? Money grubbers? Seekers of justice? Combination of both?
Dear Oliolioli,
Judges- I have a massive issue with most judges as they believe the robe is a license to bully. I always say, "It's easy to be a bully while wearing a robe. Take it off, walk down the
streets of Paterson and act the very same way." It would never happen.
While some counties in some states actually elect their judges in public elections, most are appointed by a politician. Now, just imagine what this does to the idea of
a "meritocracy." Most judges are not qualified to become judges. They work for big political firms and receive favors and become judges thanks to donations to politicians. You
would be amazed as to how many judges become judges yet have NEVER ONCE tried a single case before a jury!!! That is absurd.
We have a United States Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who became a U.S. Supreme Court Justice and yet NEVER tried a case before a jury. And if you think I am
not being sincere in my belief, Justice Kagan is actually my cousin!!!! And I still feel this way.
The most important quality in a judge is "Demeanor." How he treats the litigants, the lawyers, the public and his staff is most indicative of how qualified he really is to have
that job. Loss the arrogance and sense of entitlement and remember what it's like for those lawyers before the Court who have 5-10 other cases on that same day and same time and
are just trying to make a living by keeping their clients happy. I've had huge public fights with judges who thought they could try to embarrass me in open court or in front of a jury without
any consequences. Not in my lifetime. I've also been held in contempt many times and have the checks I had to write in a file just to laugh about it.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I agree, and further stress that its only "taste" is that of burnt coffee.
Also, as a matter of principle, why so expensive? Is it twice as good as the $1.49 cup at 7-11 which you can make to your own liking.
Harley
Yes, and at 7-11 you can tell beforehand whether it's burnt, too. They usually have a good pot somewhere on the burners that you can use, and you're free to toss anything that's been overheated.
But if you hold up a clear cup of 7-11 coffee beside a clear cup of Starbucks, there's no doubt the SB has much more coffee vs. water than the 7-11. (That's not much good if it isn't worth drinking, though, I know.)
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Dear Oliolioli,
Let me answer you question in 3 parts so as not to create a terribly long response.
Prosecutors- Let me begin by saying that I am reluctant to draw labels on others or to create stereotypes. I despise when others do that to me.
But, in order to answer your question, I will give my general thoughts.
Too few Prosecutors believe that a Defendant is innocent. The charge itself, to them, is too overwhelming to overcome. They feel that if you are charged,
then you are guilty. They don't take into account whether or not Law Enforcement abided by all the rules or cheated and cut corners or just flat out lied.
The power they yield is frightening. There needs to be a bit more compassion towards those with addictions. Drug addicts need something more than just long
prison sentences. Also, "Victimless Crimes" like prostitution and gambling need to be given a closer examination.
Rather than attempting to appear "tough on crime" in order to move up the ladder or seek a judgeship, why not take more of a humanitarian look at the file. If they
would just stop with that "well, that is the office policy" nonsense and make a decision which is sincere and could actually help people I would have much more respect for them. It's as
if they all come from perfect homes, never dealt with mental illness or drug addiction and have some code of moral superiority they feel they must impose upon others.
Harley
Great post, H.
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Dear Oliolioli,
Let me answer you question in 3 parts so as not to create a terribly long response.
Prosecutors- Let me begin by saying that I am reluctant to draw labels on others or to create stereotypes. I despise when others do that to me.
But, in order to answer your question, I will give my general thoughts.
Too few Prosecutors believe that a Defendant is innocent. The charge itself, to them, is too overwhelming to overcome. They feel that if you are charged,
then you are guilty. They don't take into account whether or not Law Enforcement abided by all the rules or cheated and cut corners or just flat out lied.
The power they yield is frightening. There needs to be a bit more compassion towards those with addictions. Drug addicts need something more than just long
prison sentences. Also, "Victimless Crimes" like prostitution and gambling need to be given a closer examination.
Rather than attempting to appear "tough on crime" in order to move up the ladder or seek a judgeship, why not take more of a humanitarian look at the file. If they
would just stop with that "well, that is the office policy" nonsense and make a decision which is sincere and could actually help people I would have much more respect for them. It's as
if they all come from perfect homes, never dealt with mental illness or drug addiction and have some code of moral superiority they feel they must impose upon others.
Harley
Gambling can not only ruin the life of the gambler but his entire family who may become homeless or in debt because of his actions, surely they are victims of the persons addiction.
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Dear Oliolioli,
Judges- I have a massive issue with most judges as they believe the robe is a license to bully. I always say, "It's easy to be a bully while wearing a robe. Take it off, walk down the
streets of Paterson and act the very same way." It would never happen.
While some counties in some states actually elect their judges in public elections, most are appointed by a politician. Now, just imagine what this does to the idea of
a "meritocracy." Most judges are not qualified to become judges. They work for big political firms and receive favors and become judges thanks to donations to politicians. You
would be amazed as to how many judges become judges yet have NEVER ONCE tried a single case before a jury!!! That is absurd.
We have a United States Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who became a U.S. Supreme Court Justice and yet NEVER tried a case before a jury. And if you think I am
not being sincere in my belief, Justice Kagan is actually my cousin!!!! And I still feel this way.
The most important quality in a judge is "Demeanor." How he treats the litigants, the lawyers, the public and his staff is most indicative of how qualified he really is to have
that job. Loss the arrogance and sense of entitlement and remember what it's like for those lawyers before the Court who have 5-10 other cases on that same day and same time and
are just trying to make a living by keeping their clients happy. I've had huge public fights with judges who thought they could try to embarrass me in open court or in front of a jury without
any consequences. Not in my lifetime. I've also been held in contempt many times and have the checks I had to write in a file just to laugh about it.
Harley
Wow, that is interesting about Kagan. Have you ever met her? (I know she's your cousin, but that doesn't necessarily mean you've met her... certain people may be confused by that.)
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Gambling can not only ruin the life of the gambler but his entire family who may become homeless or in debt because of his actions, surely they are victims of the persons addiction.
On a personal level, I think he shares that idea w you... he's mentioned it before.
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Dear Harley,
Im not sure if you answered this in other posts, but what is your general opinion of prosecutors and judges you have dealt with over the years?
Are prosecutors really seeking justice? Are they just looking to further their career with no care given to the accused? What about judges?
I know not all are the same, but is there a general personality type that seeks to be a prosecutor or seeks to be a judge?
On the flip side, what are most private defense attorneys like? Money grubbers? Seekers of justice? Combination of both?
Dear Oliolioli,
Private Defense Attorneys- The truth is, I don't have much in common with most Private Defense Attorneys (PDAs). Most practice law as a business. I fully understand the "business"
end of it and I am not bashful to making money but there are ways to do it and ways not to do it. First, you can practice compassion and patience while also making money. The number
1 complaint about attorneys is that you can't get them on the phone. It's true!!! I'm an attorney and other attorneys won't call me back. Don't take the case if you don't have the time
to answer calls concerning the case. Many attorneys take on cases they know are a bit out of their reach and then have the arrogance to ignore advice to bring on other counsel to assist them.
I find most attorneys quote excessive fees, scare people at their consults and spend too little time on the file.
Few too many attorneys begin thinking about true trial strategy when the case comes in. This is a product of many things, among them laziness and an unwillingness to actually try the
case before a jury as well as a true absence of knowledge and experience as to how to try an actual case.
Having said all that, there are, in fact, many hard working PDAs and it is a very competitive business. NJ alone has over 60,000 lawyers. And some people are not smart enough or willing to
pay for the best or even a quality lawyer.
Most attorney consults last 15 minutes with 10 minutes devoted to promises and the remaining 5 minutes devoted to the price.
My consults last at least 1 hour and explain the charges, the potential penalties and the process by which I would handle the matter and my consults are
FREE. I tell people, "Your money doesn't motivate me to win. I'm a winner. I am not retiring off your case and if you don't hire me, that is understandable but I will still
have food to eat. I am only interested in representing people who are going to help me win the case and if you choose another attorney, you can always call me and ask
me a question for free. You should only hire the person whom you feel is best for you and I may not be that person. However, if you want the best, you are here."
I think it's important to be realistic at consults and not make promises as to results that you can't keep. I lose a great deal of money to less scrupulous attorneys who
promise the client exactly what they want to hear despite knowing full well that they can't deliver that result when the case comes to its end.
I, unlike every other attorney, do NOT charge extra for a trial. None of my clients will feel forced to take a plea simply because they couldn't financially afford the trial they
would've preferred. That may not be good business but I don't want any of my clients to ever make a decision which impacts their freedom based solely upon money.
When I am trying a case before a jury I sleep no more than 4 hours per night and the rest of my work gets put on hold and I can't take in any new clients. That is an awfully
big sacrifices and one large reason why most attorneys discourage their clients from pursuing a trial. However, if you try cases and are good at it, Prosecutors know that when you
say, "Ok, let's just try the case' that you mean it and you could actually win. That leads to much better plea offers. It's like sitting on your porch with your dog next to you. If you dog
barks but never bites, people will walk onto your porch, enter your house and piss in your kitchen. If however, your dog bites, different story.
Harley
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Gambling can not only ruin the life of the gambler but his entire family who may become homeless or in debt because of his actions, surely they are victims of the persons addiction.
I made that same exact argument on a thread about Nick Diaz being suspended and got called out for it but technically, under definition, it is a Victimless Crime.
I think Gambling is horrendous and ruins entire families and generations as much as does crack.
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I made that same exact argument on a thread about Nick Diaz being suspended and got called out for it but technically, under definition, it is a Victimless Crime.
I think Gambling is horrendous and ruins entire families and generations as much as does crack.
agreed, but isnt society as a whole the real victim?
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agreed, but isnt society as a whole the real victim?
That's the idea, anyway, and why it tends to be illegal.
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Wow, that is interesting about Kagan. Have you ever met her? (I know she's your cousin, but that doesn't necessarily mean you've met her... certain people may be confused by that.)
I could've gone to Washington, DC for her swearing in but I find the whole thing so political and hypocritical that I just can't bring myself to go to such events.
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agreed, but isnt society as a whole the real victim?
Wonderful. Outlaw it, then, based on the idiots who let it ruin their lives; meanwhile, ignoring the millions who gamble in moderation, just enjoying a little harmless escape. Never spending more than what they can reasonably afford to lose.
But why stop there? Let's allow these "addicts" to dictate policy for everyone across the board: gambling, alcohol, weed, junk food, tobacco, etc. Thankfully steroids are already illegal, so no lives ruined there.
Nanny State to the rescue, yay!
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agreed, but isnt society as a whole the real victim?
No one could ever convince me that society as a whole benefits from legalized gambling. There are no real tax dollars going to real, meaningful, sustaining jobs
or other governmental programs designed to help the less fortunate.
Just walk through any casino and you are watching the living dead.
I suppose the Libertarian side of me says why should the government protect people from themselves but there really is something about the effects of gambling
that make it viscerally different for me. Now, prostitution, that's easy.
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Dear The Ugly,
Yours is the point I keep returning to as it sits most comfortably with my ideologies of life.
I am as anti-government as you can find within the law itself.
I guess my answer would be to legalize ALL of it but not make me have to walk through a casino to see it.
Sometimes, we hold to our ideas but are ideologically tested by the other side of the coin. I think that is a healthy way for a person
to think through his position and test it against competing thoughts of view.
That is what you just helped me do and I am better off for that experience.
Thanks.
Harley
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Jeff, maybe "victimless" in the sense that it isn't punching someone in the gut and taking their belongings, for instance.
But you are absolutely right.
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Wonderful. Outlaw it, then, based on the idiots who let it ruin their lives; meanwhile ignoring the millions who gamble in moderation, just enjoying a little harmless escape, never spending more what they can reasonably afford to lose.
But why stop there? Let's allow these "addicts" to dictate policy for everyone, across the board: gambling, alcohol, weed, junk food, tobacco, etc. Thankfully steroids are already illegal, so no lives ruined there.
Nanny State to the rescue, yay!
Well said, and it is the exact trend we are on with every single thing in this "new world"... holding everyone responsible for the lowest behavior, to the point everyone may as well be guilty.
Fucking bullshit, is what.
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dear Harley
please tell us about your altercations with Louie Ferrigno
I have heard many stories that Lou is an absolute douchebag
did you choke him out and rip off his toupe?
Dear Old-School-Lifter,
My first run in with Lou was at the 1998 Arnold Classic Expo. I went there with my then Training Partner, Vinnie Galanti who was working the Universal booth.
I was on line to meet Lou and was about 5 rows from his table with a middle age guy and his perhaps 6 year old son in front of me. The young kid was so excited and
kept saying, "Daddy, Daddy, it's The Hulk!" Well, the guy took out his camera (back then we used Sony Snapshots and not phones) and from about 4 rows away took a photo
of Lou sitting at the table. Lou saw the flash, stood up in anger and yelled "Who did that?" It scared the young kid. Lou began to yell at the Dad that all photos were $20. The Dad
didn't know how to respond and was taken by surprised and embarrassed. The kid began to cry.
I was right behind the guy so I saw and heard the whole thing. I was much younger and impulsive then so I entered the mix.
I just yelled from where I was "Hey Lou, what the hell is wrong with you?" Lou responded, "You shut up"
I then pushed my way forward and while approaching the table I yelled, "What the fuck did you say you piece of shit? I will end you"
Lou had people next to him behind the table who stood up next to him and I yelled "You gonna try to save him?"
Lou's people formed around him in an attempt to appear as if they were holding him back. He began yelling at me and calling for security to remove me..
I told him that he was a "fucking disgrace to make a young kid cry" and that "if you were half the man Arnold was, you wouldn't hide behind that table and call
security like a little bitch."
Well, security came and that was the end of my Arnold Classic Expo time.
Harley
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My second run in with Lou was perhaps the second time Craig competed at the Mr. Olympia but the very first year it was held at The Orleans Hotel (the worst in all of Vegas).
Lou was walking down the corridor from the hotel to the auditorium, draped with handlers and fans. I happened to be standing there as he walked by. By then, it had become
public knowledge about Lou charging for photos so I yelled, "Louie, Louie, show 'em ya amms (trying to imitate his Dad from Pumping Iron) all the time while I am holding up my camera.
Lots of people laughed at the impersonation but when Lou turned and saw me holding up my camera he flipped. He yelled, "You can't do that!!!"
I responded in his Dad's accent, "But Louie this is America... Louie, don't cry, don't cry Louie... I have 20 dollaas for you"
He had some trouble stopping as the momentum to get him to the auditorium was all around him but he tried.
I then gave him the finger and said "Fuck you asshole" and I just stood there. He never broke from his crowd, turned and continued to the auditorium.
Harley
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Dear Old-School-Lifter,
My first run in with Lou was at the 1998 Arnold Classic Expo. I went there with my then Training Partner, Vinnie Galanti who was working the Universal booth.
I was on line to meet Lou and was about 5 rows from his table with a middle age guy and his perhaps 6 year old son in front of me. The young kid was so excited and
kept saying, "Daddy, Daddy, it's The Hulk!" Well, the guy took out his camera (back then we used Sony Snapshots and not phones) and from about 4 rows away took a photo
of Lou sitting at the table. Lou saw the flash, stood up in anger and yelled "Who did that?" It scared the young kid. Lou began to yell at the Dad that all photos were $20. The Dad
didn't know how to respond and was taken by surprised and embarrassed. The kid began to cry.
I was right behind the guy so I saw and heard the whole thing. I was much younger and impulsive then so I entered the mix.
I just yelled from where I was "Hey Lou, what the hell is wrong with you?" Lou responded, "You shut up"
I then pushed my way forward and while approaching the table I yelled, "What the fuck did you say you piece of shit? I will end you"
Lou had people next to him behind the table who stood up next to him and I yelled "You gonna try to save him?"
Lou's people formed around him in an attempt to appear as if they were holding him back. He began yelling at me and calling for security to remove me..
I told him that he was a "fucking disgrace to make a young kid cry" and that "if you were half the man Arnold was, you wouldn't hide behind that table and call
security like a little bitch."
Well, security came and that was the end of my Arnold Classic Expo time.
Harley
Many of these guys are prepared like that, to have their assistants/security do this exact thing.
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My second run in with Lou was perhaps the second time Craig competed at the Mr. Olympia but the very first year it was held at The Orleans Hotel (the worst in all of Vegas).
Lou was walking down the corridor from the hotel to the auditorium, draped with handlers and fans. I happened to be standing there as he walked by. By then, it had become
public knowledge about Lou charging for photos so I yelled, "Louie, Louie, show 'em ya amms (trying to imitate his Dad from Pumping Iron) all the time while I am holding up my camera.
Lots of people laughed at the impersonation but when Lou turned and saw me holding up my camera he flipped. He yelled, "You can't do that!!!"
I responded in his Dad's accent, "But Louie this is America... Louie, don't cry, don't cry Louie... I have 20 dollaas for you"
He had some trouble stopping as the momentum to get him to the auditorium was all around him but he tried.
I then gave him the finger and said "Fuck you asshole" and I just stood there. He never broke from his crowd, turned and continued to the auditorium.
Harley
LOL!!
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Dear The Ugly,
Yours is the point I keep returning to as it sits most comfortably with my ideologies of life.
I am as anti-government as you can find within the law itself.
I guess my answer would be to legalize ALL of it but not make me have to walk through a casino to see it.
Sometimes, we hold to our ideas but are ideologically tested by the other side of the coin. I think that is a healthy way for a person
to think through his position and test it against competing thoughts of view.
That is what you just helped me do and I am better off for that experience.
Thanks.
Harley
I know, H, and I'm really not trying to ba a dick, just trying to offer perspective. But why do you have to walk through casinos? And why can't I? Never causes me any problems. Baby and bathwater?
We all see helpless fatties gorging themselves every f'n day. Can anyone argue this doesn't ruin lives, often literally, and thus harming families? Not to mention the financial burden placed on society at large (as long as we're going there).
Yet most here don't seem to have a problem keeping calories in check. You really want government outlawing the cheat day you've worked so hard to earn? Because that's where this leads - WAY MORE lives are affected by obesity. So why ignore it here, because it doesn't apply to us? Disingenuous perhaps?
Fuck them, sorry, the glutton and the hopeless gambler: grown-ass volunteers, fucking up fun for everyone with their selfish addictions. Deal with your shitty choices, I say, and let the rest of us enjoy our harmless vices in moderation.
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I feel kind of bad for Louie in some ways, especially after seeing that "selling DVDs?!" video w Arnold.
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Dear Old-School-Lifter,
My first run in with Lou was at the 1998 Arnold Classic Expo. I went there with my then Training Partner, Vinnie Galanti who was working the Universal booth.
I was on line to meet Lou and was about 5 rows from his table with a middle age guy and his perhaps 6 year old son in front of me. The young kid was so excited and
kept saying, "Daddy, Daddy, it's The Hulk!" Well, the guy took out his camera (back then we used Sony Snapshots and not phones) and from about 4 rows away took a photo
of Lou sitting at the table. Lou saw the flash, stood up in anger and yelled "Who did that?" It scared the young kid. Lou began to yell at the Dad that all photos were $20. The Dad
didn't know how to respond and was taken by surprised and embarrassed. The kid began to cry.
I was right behind the guy so I saw and heard the whole thing. I was much younger and impulsive then so I entered the mix.
I just yelled from where I was "Hey Lou, what the hell is wrong with you?" Lou responded, "You shut up"
I then pushed my way forward and while approaching the table I yelled, "What the fuck did you say you piece of shit? I will end you"
Lou had people next to him behind the table who stood up next to him and I yelled "You gonna try to save him?"
Lou's people formed around him in an attempt to appear as if they were holding him back. He began yelling at me and calling for security to remove me..
I told him that he was a "fucking disgrace to make a young kid cry" and that "if you were half the man Arnold was, you wouldn't hide behind that table and call
security like a little bitch."
Well, security came and that was the end of my Arnold Classic Expo time.
Harley
Fucking LEGEND!
Well done, sir.
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My second run in with Lou was perhaps the second time Craig competed at the Mr. Olympia but the very first year it was held at The Orleans Hotel (the worst in all of Vegas).
Lou was walking down the corridor from the hotel to the auditorium, draped with handlers and fans. I happened to be standing there as he walked by. By then, it had become
public knowledge about Lou charging for photos so I yelled, "Louie, Louie, show 'em ya amms (trying to imitate his Dad from Pumping Iron) all the time while I am holding up my camera.
Lots of people laughed at the impersonation but when Lou turned and saw me holding up my camera he flipped. He yelled, "You can't do that!!!"
I responded in his Dad's accent, "But Louie this is America... Louie, don't cry, don't cry Louie... I have 20 dollaas for you"
He had some trouble stopping as the momentum to get him to the auditorium was all around him but he tried.
I then gave him the finger and said "Fuck you asshole" and I just stood there. He never broke from his crowd, turned and continued to the auditorium.
Harley
Totally digging the Lou contempt. Right on, Harley.
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Damn. Lou really is a piece of shit. I've not heard anyone who's met him say a good thing about him.
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Dear The Ugly,
I have considerable interaction with famous people (I am not one of those douche bad name droppers) and some have egos that need to be checked
like Lou's and some just "get it." They may not understand why the autograph, picture or hand shake is so important BUT they accept it and give it to the fan
without contempt, price or ridicule. Those are the guys whom I most admire.
I actually stopped working with and for some "famous" people because of their sense of entitlement and ego.
Harley
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Maybe Lou is trying to guard against feelings of worthlessness.
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Dear The Ugly,
I have considerable interaction with famous people (I am not one of those douche bad name droppers) and some have egos that need to be checked
like Lou's and some just "get it." They may not understand why the autograph, picture or hand shake is so important BUT they accept it and give it to the fan
without contempt, price or ridicule. Those are the guys whom I most admire.
I actually stopped working with and for some "famous" people because of their sense of entitlement and ego.
Harley
Lou couldn't fake humility if he tried. These events absolutely need guys like you to cut through the starfucker nonsense. Keeps 'em honest, if only for the minute you're there.
Say, we'd all SO enjoy a brief video of you teasing the big dummy again. Assuming he's in attendance, what are the chances?
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So when Louie was shoveling down that pile of pills from his dresser in P.I., anyone know if those were orals or what
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Harley, when do you project your documentary will be released?
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Lou couldn't fake humility if he tried. These events absolutely need guys like you to cut through the starfucker nonsense. Keeps 'em honest, if only for the minute you're there.
Say, we'd all SO enjoy a brief video of you teasing the big dummy again. Assuming he's in attendance, what are the chances?
Dear The Ugly,
I really appreciate the compliments.
So are you saying that the GetBiggers would like to see a video of me taunting Louie? Interesting if true.
I will say this...my Videographer who is filming our Documentary will be with me the whole time.
So how does GetBig entice me, a reasonable man, to instigate a confrontation with Lou "The Hulk" Ferrigno?
I am listening.
Harley
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Dear Old-School-Lifter,
My first run in with Lou was at the 1998 Arnold Classic Expo. I went there with my then Training Partner, Vinnie Galanti who was working the Universal booth.
I was on line to meet Lou and was about 5 rows from his table with a middle age guy and his perhaps 6 year old son in front of me. The young kid was so excited and
kept saying, "Daddy, Daddy, it's The Hulk!" Well, the guy took out his camera (back then we used Sony Snapshots and not phones) and from about 4 rows away took a photo
of Lou sitting at the table. Lou saw the flash, stood up in anger and yelled "Who did that?" It scared the young kid. Lou began to yell at the Dad that all photos were $20. The Dad
didn't know how to respond and was taken by surprised and embarrassed. The kid began to cry.
I was right behind the guy so I saw and heard the whole thing. I was much younger and impulsive then so I entered the mix.
I just yelled from where I was "Hey Lou, what the hell is wrong with you?" Lou responded, "You shut up"
I then pushed my way forward and while approaching the table I yelled, "What the fuck did you say you piece of shit? I will end you"
Lou had people next to him behind the table who stood up next to him and I yelled "You gonna try to save him?"
Lou's people formed around him in an attempt to appear as if they were holding him back. He began yelling at me and calling for security to remove me..
I told him that he was a "fucking disgrace to make a young kid cry" and that "if you were half the man Arnold was, you wouldn't hide behind that table and call
security like a little bitch."
Well, security came and that was the end of my Arnold Classic Expo time.
Harley
Haha I bet that stung.
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Harley, when do you project your documentary will be released?
As soon as I convert from being a fat bastard to my old self. I was actually thinking about releasing a secret about myself here on GetBig
but I thought against it taking the advice of BeThere and Che who warned me well of backlash.
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Dear The Ugly,
I really appreciate the compliments.
So are you saying that the GetBiggers would like to see a video of me taunting Louie? Interesting if true.
I will say this...my Videographer who is filming our Documentary will be with me the whole time.
So how does GetBig entice me, a reasonable man, to instigate a confrontation with Lou "The Hulk" Ferrigno?
I am listening.
Harley
As funny as I'm sure it might be, I don't think you should do it.
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Dear The Ugly,
I really appreciate the compliments.
So are you saying that the GetBiggers would like to see a video of me taunting Louie? Interesting if true.
I will say this...my Videographer who is filming our Documentary will be with me the whole time.
So how does GetBig entice me, a reasonable man, to instigate a confrontation with Lou "The Hulk" Ferrigno?
I am listening.
Harley
YES!
Easy, here ya go: Stand in line for a pic. When you get to Big Lou, hand him your camera and ask him to take a picture of you with your videographer. Because this is all about you and your film, not him. We're turning the tables, see, and Louie ain't gonna like it.
If he hasn't already snapped, inform him he owes you twenty for the privilege. Or spitball it, pal, use that big-ass brain. But you got your premise. Perfectly diabolical ideas will arise - employ them at will. And never break character: You're the star, he's just some nothing who can do you a favor.
This will be Getbig lore. Don't let us down, guy.
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As funny as I'm sure it might be, I don't think you should do it.
Oh, dude. Come. On. Why on earth would you say such a thing? Bodybuilding is trench warfare, don't go soft now.
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Yet still, no enticement offers. With all those great minds out there, mmm.
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Yet still, no enticement offers. With all those great minds out there, mmm.
You best refresh, friend.
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It saddens me that the great man, Herne, himself doesn't come onto this thread.
Some might say you haven't made it until Herne befriends you.
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As soon as I convert from being a fat bastard to my old self. I was actually thinking about releasing a secret about myself here on GetBig
but I thought against it taking the advice of BeThere and Che who warned me well of backlash.
HOPEFULLY ITS NOT THAT YOU CROSS DRESS ON THE WEEKENDS..
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Oh, dude. Come. On. Why on earth would you say such a thing?
Because I know Harley wouldn't let it stop him anyway, and I get to take the high road while watching the fun.
:P
No.. because I think Lou is more a sad case than anything else. I honestly don't think he deserves it.
But if he acts unreasonably in a way to start shit with Harley, and it happens to be filmed, I guess that's the way the ball bounces. It would not be uninteresting and no one could resist watching it, including me.
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It saddens me that the great man, Herne, himself doesn't come onto this thread.
Some might say you haven't made it until Herne befriends you.
Herne just posts on certain threads, that I've ever seen.. I don't think he enters most threads and I don't think he discusses anything.
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Because I know Harley wouldn't let it stop him anyway, and I get to take the high road while watching the fun.
:P
No.. because I think Lou is more a sad case than anything else. I honestly don't think he deserves it.
But if he acts unreasonably in a way to start shit with Harley, and it happens to be filmed, I guess that's the way the ball bounces. It would not be uninteresting and no one could resist watching it, including me.
Damn, and you had me with your first sentence.
Is this about the deaf thing? Because it shouldn't be. It didn't hold him back, he did quite well for himself. And along the way, he proved to be a complete asshole over and over. Making kids cry, really? He sued his own f'n brother for Pete's sake, over nothing.
And if you saw Celebrity Apprentice ... shit, they all figured it out. No one deserves this more than him.
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My second run in with Lou was perhaps the second time Craig competed at the Mr. Olympia but the very first year it was held at The Orleans Hotel (the worst in all of Vegas).
Lou was walking down the corridor from the hotel to the auditorium, draped with handlers and fans. I happened to be standing there as he walked by. By then, it had become
public knowledge about Lou charging for photos so I yelled, "Louie, Louie, show 'em ya amms (trying to imitate his Dad from Pumping Iron) all the time while I am holding up my camera.
Lots of people laughed at the impersonation but when Lou turned and saw me holding up my camera he flipped. He yelled, "You can't do that!!!"
I responded in his Dad's accent, "But Louie this is America... Louie, don't cry, don't cry Louie... I have 20 dollaas for you"
He had some trouble stopping as the momentum to get him to the auditorium was all around him but he tried.
I then gave him the finger and said "Fuck you asshole" and I just stood there. He never broke from his crowd, turned and continued to the auditorium.
Harley
;D ;D ;D
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As soon as I convert from being a fat bastard to my old self. I was actually thinking about releasing a secret about myself here on GetBig
but I thought against it taking the advice of BeThere and Che who warned me well of backlash.
Something that would cause jealousy? Because I think that's what Jeff (Be There) meant.
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As soon as I convert from being a fat bastard to my old self. I was actually thinking about releasing a secret about myself here on GetBig
but I thought against it taking the advice of BeThere and Che who warned me well of backlash.
Secret?
Spill it.
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Damn, and you had me with your first sentence.
Is this about the deaf thing? Because it shouldn't be. It didn't hold him back, he did quite well for himself. And along the way, he proved to be a complete asshole over and over. Making kids cry, really? He sued his own f'n brother for Pete's sake, over nothing.
And if you saw Celebrity Apprentice ... shit, they all figured it out. No one deserves this more than him.
I do think his deafness plays a bigger part in his attitude than people realize. He probably misses most of what's happening around him, and that can't feel too good.
But if the guy is as big a bitch as they say, then he'll probably fall right into any plan Harley could make. So in that sense it will be his own fault.
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You best refresh, friend.
I didn't understand this.
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As soon as I convert from being a fat bastard to my old self. I was actually thinking about releasing a secret about myself here on GetBig
A secret that can be revealed when in shape instead of fat bastard?
What's the difference Harley?
Does the secret not have as much power when not in shape?
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I didn't understand this.
The little clockwise arrow near the address bar, Harley. He's letting you know he's proposed a plan.
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Those 2 Louie posts.
Fucking gold lol.
Glad I came back to read these riveting tales. Would have loved to be that camera.
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Something that would cause jealousy? Because I think that's what Jeff (Be There) meant.
Its exactly what I meant, getbig has a habit of turning on people in a heartbeat.
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HOPEFULLY ITS NOT THAT YOU CROSS DRESS ON THE WEEKENDS..
Dear NJFLEX,
That is very funny. I hope you guys are getting laid enough because there sure is a lot of weird talk going on.
No, I was getting my game plan together to make a serious push on my diet and getting back to being in shape and
actually putting a time line on the whole thing.
It sucks being over-weight and the fat jokes from people whom you never expected to act like that is most surprising even
next to how many haters feel the need to remind you in public of your condition.
Harley
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Herne just posts on certain threads, that I've ever seen.. I don't think he enters most threads and I don't think he discusses anything.
Herne is a great man with incredible talents who speaks volumes without ever speaking.
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Harley, I'll donate a generous sum to a dog charity of your choosing, if you film yourself standing behind him, calling him a "stupid, deaf bastard" just low enough so he can't hear, and giving him the 'wanker' hand gesture. Nothing against lou personally, i just think it would be really funny.
Dear Captain Freedom,
I would never insult a guy based upon a disability. Lou has other character flaws of which he could possess better control that would more easily apply.
No need to donate any money.
It's just that Herne seems to have a particular talent in what he sometimes posts that can be quite motivating.
Of course, the idea of getting something on film which you guys might consider legendary is also quite appealing.
Harley
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Dear NJFLEX,
That is very funny. I hope you guys are getting laid enough because there sure is a lot of weird talk going on.
No, I was getting my game plan together to make a serious push on my diet and getting back to being in shape and
actually putting a time line on the whole thing.
It sucks being over-weight and the fat jokes from people whom you never expected to act like that is most surprising even
next to how many haters feel the need to remind you in public of your condition.
Harley
GOOD LUCK IN GETTING BACK TO FORM...
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Harley, I'll donate a generous sum to a dog charity of your choosing, if you film yourself standing behind him, calling him a "stupid, deaf bastard" just low enough so he can't hear, and giving him the 'wanker' hand gesture. Nothing against lou personally, i just think it would be really funny.
hello joon.
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hello joon.
:D
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Craig Richardson is in Las Vegas
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Its exactly what I meant, getbig has a habit of turning on people in a heartbeat.
yep
its happened to all of us
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Where is Guy Sisternino hiding? I know he is again, shooting his mouth off as to how much better he is than Craig
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HE LOOKS GOOD FROM THE REAR 'NO HOMO'
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Tricep sweep is somewhat suspect, as it his taper from the front, but Craig kills it from the back. Insane delts and he has brought his bis up very well it seems. Legs are never a concern.
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No, he is not without flaws but hey, who other than perhaps Flex Wheeler wasn't?
We are hoping for a Top 6. Given how superlative Flex Lewis is and the Kevin English "factor" it's hard in
a stacked division.
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Its exactly what I meant, getbig has a habit of turning on people in a heartbeat.
Would never turn on Harley "Star Shining So" Breite, regardless of secret.
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Harley,
Was the lighting in the hallway better than the lighting that was available in the actual room (or is it standard behavior for Craig to drop his windpants and hike up his boxer briefs whenever a camera is nearby :) )?
Craig looks great, good luck.
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I didn't understand this.
Nothing.
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I do think his deafness plays a bigger part in his attitude than people realize. He probably misses most of what's happening around him, and that can't feel too good.
But if the guy is as big a bitch as they say, then he'll probably fall right into any plan Harley could make. So in that sense it will be his own fault.
Dammit, your kind heart is tripping me up here, spotlighting my shittiness as well.
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No, he is not without flaws but hey, who other than perhaps Flex Wheeler wasn't?
We are hoping for a Top 6. Given how superlative Flex Lewis is and the Kevin English "factor" it's hard in
a stacked division.
Kevin English is still alive? Good lord if he places in the top 6 and/or over Craig I'll just shake my head. Won't be the first time. And yes Craig looks great don't get me wrong.
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Harley,
Was the lighting in the hallway better than the lighting that was available in the actual room (or is it standard behavior for Craig to drop his windpants and hike up his boxer briefs whenever a camera is nearby :) )?
Craig looks great, good luck.
Dear Dave D,
That is funny. Craig actually wrote me that the lighting in the whole hotel, one made for and occupied by only the very old, sucks.
His wife took that photo. Craig is actually not very camera friendly but when I get there, I will take better photos as will the Videographer who is shooting our
Documentary. Not sure I can post them till I get back very late Sunday night but I will see.
Harley
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Kevin English is still alive? Good lord if he places in the top 6 and/or over Craig I'll just shake my head. Won't be the first time. And yes Craig looks great don't get me wrong.
Not only is he still alive but he didn't take too well to my Smack Talk when I saw him a few weeks ago at Steve & Bev's Gym. I like to talk a lot of smack in
a loud and open manner to have fun and let these guys know that we ain't there to clean up after them, we are there to show THEM how to train. Stop taking 5 minute
coffee breaks between sets and stop using the same weights you have been using for 10 years. You're a pro, train like one. I did that with everybody and got under a lot
of peoples' skin.
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Dammit, your kind heart is tripping me up here, spotlighting my shittiness as well.
Hahah.. see, right when I'm thinking Harley should bait Louie for some epic footage, you're changing your mind.
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But I know it isn't right to do stuff like that.
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I would not only bait Louie but rile him up and capture the whole thing on film but your great minds have yet to figure out my Achilles Heel.
Long live Herne. Free legal service for the rest of his life, even if he isn't sure exactly why.
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Herne just posts on certain threads, that I've ever seen.. I don't think he enters most threads and I don't think he discusses anything.
I go into more threads than you think. I've been in this forum for many years before registering in 2009.
I don't see the point in discussing anything.
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I go into more threads that you think. I've been in this forum for many years before registering in 2009.
I don't see the point in discussing anything.
Reading is good too.
One learns alot just by reading.
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY HARLEY!!
Hope you have a great day!
thanks for those fantastic stories about douchebag Louie- confirms everything ive heard about him
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Had to look this 'Harley' person up...
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I go into more threads than you think. I've been in this forum for many years before registering in 2009.
I don't see the point in discussing anything.
Nevertheless, I remain a big fan of your work.
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Big fans, here, herne. Didn't know if you were into reading the forums or not. Some people do not, that's all.
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Hahah.. see, right when I'm thinking Harley should bait Louie for some epic footage, you're changing your mind.
Oh, hell no. I'm still totally on board. But I'm totally shitty, too, turns out. Our contrasting posts just exposed me again, had to acknowledge it is all.
But make no mistake: If he does this, I'm starting a fan club.
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Big fans, here, herne. Didn't know if you were into reading the forums or not. Some people do not, that's all.
Over 50 pages in this thread in less than a month...
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Over 50 pages in this thread in less than a month...
Yes, it almost rivals one of yours. ;D
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Over 50 pages in this thread in less than a month...
uncle junior at his wits end.
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I would not only bait Louie but rile him up and capture the whole thing on film but your great minds have yet to figure out my Achilles Heel.
Long live Herne. Free legal service for the rest of his life, even if he isn't sure exactly why.
I sorta see what you're implying. Herne likes musclegals or tubbies, right? Probably the former. This is your Heel, you're saying? And fake boobs, you said. So what, fake-boobed musclegals? Either way, how does this play into the Lou thing?
You saying we need to hook you up with one of Herne's freaks or something, in order for you to follow through?That it? C'mon, stop the shenanigans. Spill the beans already.
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I sorta see what you're implying. Herne likes musclegals or tubbies, right? Probably the former. This is your Heel, you're saying? But fake boobs, you said. Fake-boobed musclegals, maybe? Either way, how does this play into the Lou thing?
You saying we need to hook you up with one of Herne's freaks or something, in order for you to follow through?That it? C'mon, stop the shenanigans. Spill the beans already.
But herne does more than muscle girls, doesn't he? I'm ashamed to admit I hadn't looked much at those picture threads until today and am late to the party.
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I sorta see what you're implying. Herne likes musclegals or tubbies, right? Probably the former. This is your Heel, you're saying? And fake boobs, you said. So what, fake-boobed musclegals? Either way, how does this play into the Lou thing?
You saying we need to hook you up with one of Herne's freaks or something, in order for you to follow through?That it? C'mon, stop the shenanigans. Spill the beans already.
Herne's freaks!?!?!
??? ??? ???
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Herne's freaks!?!?!
??? ??? ???
Wait, apologies. Confused you (the name) with the hippo fella. You post the hot ones, then, right? Sorry, I too admire your work, friend.
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Yes, that's what I thought. Hipolito is the musclegirl person.. that's a bit much for me, personally.
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Wait, apologies. Confused you (the name) with the hippo fella. You post the hot ones, then, right? Sorry, I too admire your work, friend.
'Hot ones' is subjective.
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Yes, it almost rivals one of yours. ;D
Hey Las Vegas,
I love you but please, don't anger Herne.
A man of my diminutive stature could never challenge Herne.
Please let him do what he does unfettered as sometimes he strikes the lottery, at least for me.
Harley
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I sorta see what you're implying. Herne likes musclegals or tubbies, right? Probably the former. This is your Heel, you're saying? And fake boobs, you said. So what, fake-boobed musclegals? Either way, how does this play into the Lou thing?
You saying we need to hook you up with one of Herne's freaks or something, in order for you to follow through?That it? C'mon, stop the shenanigans. Spill the beans already.
Dear The Ugly,
While I have the utmost respect for Herne, I don't believe he can hook anyone up with the girls whose photos he posts.
If he could, he would have a great deal of cash directly deposited into his Swiss Bank Account of choice.
I am not going to impose upon Herne but will try to have a "discussion" with Louie, on film. I promise to try.
Harley
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Hey Las Vegas,
I love you but please, don't anger Herne.
A man of my diminutive stature could never challenge Herne.
Please let him do what he does unfettered as sometimes he strikes the lottery, at least for me.
Harley
;D no, he knows it is the highest compliment.
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Dear The Ugly,
While I have the utmost respect for Herne, I don't believe he can hook anyone up with the girls whose photos he posts.
If he could, he would have a great deal of cash directly deposited into his Swiss Bank Account of choice.
I am not going to impose upon Herne but will try to have a "discussion" with Louie, on film. I promise to try.
Harley
Thank you, it's all we can ask.
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Hey Guys,
I laid out the last clue as to my Achilles Heel.
Nevertheless, I promise to keep my word and ask Big Louie why it is he thinks he owns,
at least for $20, the free airspace of The United States of America.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I laid out the last clue as to my Achilles Heel.
Achilles heel? What are you talking about Harley?
We don't want to know any of your weaknesses.
To us, you are "The Star that Shines So" Breite.
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Dear NJFLEX,
That is very funny. I hope you guys are getting laid enough because there sure is a lot of weird talk going on.
No, I was getting my game plan together to make a serious push on my diet and getting back to being in shape and
actually putting a time line on the whole thing.
It sucks being over-weight and the fat jokes from people whom you never expected to act like that is most surprising even
next to how many haters feel the need to remind you in public of your condition.
Harley
BTW Harley - Lots of people have claimed to plan to do this (claimed on GB), but almost none follow through.
If you could successfully do it, you'd be in rare company. (lol, but who is making w the fat jokes? You aren't real-world fat at all. Only on getbig are you a hog. ;D)
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Achilles heel? What are you talking about Harley?
We don't want to know any of your weaknesses.
To us, you are "The Star that Shines So" Breite.
Oh, but Kwon_2, how many times have we sailed off course as the sweet song of the siren led us to crash upon the rocks of heartbreak?
It is better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all.
Or in my usual case, it is better to strike out swinging than never get up to bat.
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Dear Harley
what are your thoughts on Shawn Ray as a person and have you had much/any interactions with him?
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Dear Harley
what are your thoughts on Shawn Ray as a person and have you had much/any interactions with him?
Dear Old School Lifter,
I don't like to judge any person based upon one particular encounter as everyone can have a bad moment but I've been around Shawn a few times
and have drawn an opinion that you and his fans may not like.
Harley
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BTW Harley - Lots of people have claimed to plan to do this (claimed on GB), but almost none follow through.
If you could successfully do it, you'd be in rare company. (lol, but who is making w the fat jokes? You aren't real-world fat at all. Only on getbig are you a hog. ;D)
Dear Las Vegas,
I am sure of that. It's hard to change your body as it is an instrument constantly fighting change, constantly seeking homeostasis.
I am considering a 13 week program in which I change my life and finally kick this demon off my back. All of us, yes, even you GetBiggers,
struggle with issues of self-image and for some, its effects are more ruinous than for others.
I often admire those who "give up the fight" as I like to say and just eat what they want and practice lethargy as they see fit. They don't seem to
be irritable and cantankerous as I am, often at times.
They seem to avoid stress and issues of guilt after eating what makes them feel good. They seem impervious to the barbs and slurs of others. Maybe, perhaps they have
achieved a level of freedom unbeknownst to me.
Or perhaps, I need to think less, man up and get myself to change my lifestyle and view food as simply the "nutrients" I need to achieve my desired look.
I am seriously looking at a 13 week plan to start on October 6th but am not announcing or proclaiming anything just yet. Now, it's all about Craig, at least until October 6th.
Harley
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Oh, but Kwon_2, how many times have we sailed off course as the sweet song of the siren led us to crash upon the rocks of heartbreak?
It is better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all.
Or in my usual case, it is better to strike out swinging than never get up to bat.
Ah, Poison fan.
Dude, your Achilles Heel clues are cryptic as fuck. You dig Herne's gals. A particular one, perhaps? But what are we supposed to do with that?
Also, why clues at all? Can't just say?
Also, I phrase everything as a question, don't I?
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Oh, but Kwon_2, how many times have we sailed off course as the sweet song of the siren led us to crash upon the rocks of heartbreak?
It is better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all.
Or in my usual case, it is better to strike out swinging than never get up to bat.
Dear Harley
Ah, then it's safe to say that your achillesheel is women of color.
You would have liked Lobstah then, she was a getbigmember back in the day.
Although you would probably have had to fight AnabolicHalo over her.
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Dear Harley
Ah, then it's safe to say that your achillesheel is women of color.
You would have liked Lobstah then, she was a getbigmember back in the day.
Although you would probably have had to fight AnabolicHalo over her.
How did you determine this?
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Gotta` agree with Harley..........I`ve met Lou on many occasions as far back as the 70`s when he was just getting some recognition and wasn`t truly known.......... only known in NYC and he`s a complete and utter douchebag.
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To us, you are "The Star that Shines So" Breite.
Haha.
Nice one.
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Dear Las Vegas,
I am sure of that. It's hard to change your body as it is an instrument constantly fighting change, constantly seeking homeostasis.
I am considering a 13 week program in which I change my life and finally kick this demon off my back. All of us, yes, even you GetBiggers,
struggle with issues of self-image and for some, its effects are more ruinous than for others.
I often admire those who "give up the fight" as I like to say and just eat what they want and practice lethargy as they see fit. They don't seem to
be irritable and cantankerous as I am, often at times.
They seem to avoid stress and issues of guilt after eating what makes them feel good. They seem impervious to the barbs and slurs of others. Maybe, perhaps they have
achieved a level of freedom unbeknownst to me.
Or perhaps, I need to think less, man up and get myself to change my lifestyle and view food as simply the "nutrients" I need to achieve my desired look.
I am seriously looking at a 13 week plan to start on October 6th but am not announcing or proclaiming anything just yet. Now, it's all about Craig, at least until October 6th.
Harley
I hope you do it and succeed with flying colors. Other people will follow and good things will happen.
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Dear Old School Lifter,
I don't like to judge any person based upon one particular encounter as everyone can have a bad moment but I've been around Shawn a few times
and have drawn an opinion that you and his fans may not like.
Harley
dear Harley
can u please share some of these experiences?
I think Shawn had a great physique but by all accounts was a complete ass wipe much like Ferrigno.
I heard a story about Shawn getting KO'd @ GOlds gym venice one day because of being an arrogant self entitled bitch
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Oh, but Kwon_2, how many times have we sailed off course as the sweet song of the siren led us to crash upon the rocks of heartbreak?
It is better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all.
Or in my usual case, it is better to strike out swinging than never get up to bat.
Very nice Homer and Tennyson paraphrasing there.
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Dear Old School Lifter,
I don't like to judge any person based upon one particular encounter as everyone can have a bad moment but I've been around Shawn a few times
and have drawn an opinion that you and his fans may not like.
Harley
I thought it was generally understood that he is one of the most disliked persons in the industry.
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Very nice Homer and Tennyson paraphrasing there.
If you are going to paraphrase, paraphrase from the greats.
Listen, no need to get worked up over my Achilles Heel. I am going to do the Louie thing as best I can.
It's fun being on here and I appreciate all the great response. You guys make me laugh and smile and if I can
expose a true jerk off like Louie, on film, and it gives you guys a laugh, then hey, it's no big deal.
I'll start by asking him how much it costs to take a photo of just the space just above his head.
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Ah, Poison fan.
Dude, your Achilles Heel clues are cryptic as fuck. You dig Herne's gals. A particular one, perhaps? But what are we supposed to do with that?
Also, why clues at all? Can't just say?
Also, I phrase everything as a question, don't I?
Dear The Ugly,
If clues weren't "cryptic" then they wouldn't be very good clues.
It's not important (but she isn't black). I will do the Louie Thing as I mentioned.
I don't think Herne very much cares for this thread although I do remain a fan of his.
Craig weighed in tonight at 211.0 so now it's time to ensure his weight doesn't crash and build him up just a little.
He will drink just a bit but the damn show is 3 whole days away from weigh-ins. Don't these guys running the show know
how little water the competitors are going to take in for the next 3 days? And do the weigh-ins in the MORNING after a night's sleep floats at
least a pound off. Why wait till night time after these guys have had to eat at least 5 times already? You can't stop eating at that point just
to make weight.
Harley
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Louie was only an infant in the cwib and he developed this douchebag infection. We didn't know it at the time, until Louie was about three years old, we found out that he was an asshole....Louie would become a shit-eatah.
Holy shit this is good. LOFL.
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Sorry guys but I just don't like what this AdamHatfield99 is doing on another thread about me and Craig. I asked him not to needlessly hurt my
business and my "Harley's Kids" charity for the mentally and physically challenged kids just because of some stupid accusation that he hears Craig on a dvd
supposedly saying that he and I sleep together. The whole thing is ridiculous and perhaps some delusion of grandeur on his part.
I don't mind guys taking shots at me, I get it, it's GetBig. I asked him to just post the clip, in context here on GetBig and not on YouTube where its misguided, stupid and
untrue suggestion is going to hurt my "Harley's Kids".
Attack me as I came on here as an adult fully aware of just how some people behave.
But to spread a untruthful rumor at the expense of "my kids" is just not something I am willing to put up for risk. For 22 years I built that charity up so
that those less fortunate than myself could have a few hours of joy and forget their terrible afflictions.
I am not willing to jeopardize that just to stay on a website or anywhere even though I have so much fun here.
You watch the 2004 BFTO video and decide if Craig and I are gay and then when you realize for the zillionth time we are not, maybe you could understand
my unwillingness to deal or play games over my kids.
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Sorry guys but I just don't like what this AdamHatfield99 is doing on another thread about me and Craig. I asked him not to needlessly hurt my
business and my "Harley's Kids" charity for the mentally and physically challenged kids just because of some stupid accusation that he hears Craig on a dvd
supposedly saying that he and I sleep together. The whole thing is ridiculous and perhaps some delusion of grandeur on his part.
I don't mind guys taking shots at me, I get it, it's GetBig. I asked him to just post the clip, in context here on GetBig and not on YouTube where its misguided, stupid and
untrue suggestion is going to hurt my "Harley's Kids".
Attack me as I came on here as an adult fully aware of just how some people behave.
But to spread a untruthful rumor at the expense of "my kids" is just not something I am willing to put up for risk. For 22 years I built that charity up so
that those less fortunate than myself could have a few hours of joy and forget their terrible afflictions.
I am not willing to jeopardize that just to stay on a website or anywhere even though I have so much fun here.
You watch the 2004 BFTO video and decide if Craig and I are gay and then when you realize for the zillionth time we are not, maybe you could understand
my unwillingness to deal or play games over my kids.
Harley
Don't like this gimmick troll ruin your experience here, dude is getting pleasure from making you uncomfortable. No one here questions your friendship nor do they care (least of all question) about your sexual orientation . Don't let it bother you, it's part of the getbig charm....
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Sorry guys but I just don't like what this AdamHatfield99 is doing on another thread about me and Craig. I asked him not to needlessly hurt my
business and my "Harley's Kids" charity for the mentally and physically challenged kids just because of some stupid accusation that he hears Craig on a dvd
supposedly saying that he and I sleep together. The whole thing is ridiculous and perhaps some delusion of grandeur on his part.
I don't mind guys taking shots at me, I get it, it's GetBig. I asked him to just post the clip, in context here on GetBig and not on YouTube where its misguided, stupid and
untrue suggestion is going to hurt my "Harley's Kids".
Attack me as I came on here as an adult fully aware of just how some people behave.
But to spread a untruthful rumor at the expense of "my kids" is just not something I am willing to put up for risk. For 22 years I built that charity up so
that those less fortunate than myself could have a few hours of joy and forget their terrible afflictions.
I am not willing to jeopardize that just to stay on a website or anywhere even though I have so much fun here.
You watch the 2004 BFTO video and decide if Craig and I are gay and then when you realize for the zillionth time we are not, maybe you could understand
my unwillingness to deal or play games over my kids.
No board is as preoccupied with homosexuality as this one is. A lot of pent up latent homos here projecting. There is always someone here that will interpret anything said as gay.
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Sorry guys but I just don't like what this AdamHatfield99 is doing on another thread about me and Craig. I asked him not to needlessly hurt my
business and my "Harley's Kids" charity for the mentally and physically challenged kids just because of some stupid accusation that he hears Craig on a dvd
supposedly saying that he and I sleep together. The whole thing is ridiculous and perhaps some delusion of grandeur on his part.
I don't mind guys taking shots at me, I get it, it's GetBig. I asked him to just post the clip, in context here on GetBig and not on YouTube where its misguided, stupid and
untrue suggestion is going to hurt my "Harley's Kids".
Attack me as I came on here as an adult fully aware of just how some people behave.
But to spread a untruthful rumor at the expense of "my kids" is just not something I am willing to put up for risk. For 22 years I built that charity up so
that those less fortunate than myself could have a few hours of joy and forget their terrible afflictions.
I am not willing to jeopardize that just to stay on a website or anywhere even though I have so much fun here.
You watch the 2004 BFTO video and decide if Craig and I are gay and then when you realize for the zillionth time we are not, maybe you could understand
my unwillingness to deal or play games over my kids.
Harley, I guarantee this gimmick will be banned soon.
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Hey Guys,
I has some time to think things over and I really don't want to leave GetBig on the account of someone trying to do something
which I find hurtful to others who don't deserve that.
I will let whatever happens just happen and deal with it accordingly. I would be less than honest if I said that I was not concerned
as to "my kids" or my business having that terrible rumor spread about but life has its bumps and trials.
I am heading out soon to the Olympia.
Please let me know, other than the Louie Thing, if there are any particular pictures (No Homo- yes, I remembered to write that- LOL) you wish
me to take. Also, if there are any particular people you would like to see me talk to and have my videographer capture on video. The beautiful
thing is that my guy records it with a camera that appears as if he is only taking a photo so people don't even necessarily know its video. My Videographer
is a balls to the walls, Marine, war veteran, tattoed, singer and guitar player in a heavy metal band, party animal you lives life at Volume 11 and will have
a few drinks in him before we even hit the airport. He is a great guy.
Also, if you are going to the show (and no, that does not make you or me a "schmoe"-- a very popular derogatory term I inferred) please come up and
introduce yourself to me and Craig. Craig is really thrilled about how nice you guys have treated him.
Thanks again and please send any requests (no-homo) and I look forward to meeting you.
Harley
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Craig Richardson Thursday morning.
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Craig Richardson Thursday morning.
nice job he's back for sure ,couple yrs ago he wasn't his best and trying to go from open to fit into 212's is tough,glad he did it ,,202's the original weight class would have killed him,he still holds good size at 212/215 he's 5'7 that's freaking big..he is a cool dude he deserves a good spot...I know all his old crew from maz's days and the sheriifs office...I from that area...you guys train out of teterboro golds no?
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Craig Richardson Thursday morning.
Check your PMs.
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Craig Richardson Thursday morning.
fuck he looks good
And good to hear you are staying
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Craig Richardson Thursday morning.
His back looks great. Good Luck.
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Hey Guys,
I want to begin by saying that I actually missed being able to read your thoughts and your threads during my time away at the Mr. Olympia.
By now, you know that Craig took 9th Place in the 212 Division.
I did look for Lou Ferrigno at the Expo but never found him. I don't think he was there but you guys would know better.
I want to mention before I have to leave and prepare for work just a bit about my encounters with the following persons:
Wiggs- I would be less than honest if I were to say that I was not a little bit nervous in meeting him. Stuntmovie said he would bring him over and I was concerned
as to how it would go. Well, I am here to say that once Wiggs and I agreed to leave out the issue of whether or not I am Jewish (and we both laughed as
we made this an immediate non-issue) I could not have had a better time in speaking with him. A gentleman, polite, a good listener and very intelligent.
I wanted to know a bit about himself and his background but I did not wish to pry into his personal life. What I found was an insightful, bright, well-educated,
hard working and caring of a person. I have to say, given my short lifespan on GetBig, I wasn't sure what to expect from any of the men behind the computer
screens, especially Wiggs. I wasn't even sure they would let him in the building before I met him. He is a very nice guy and a pleasure to be around. He is
quite up-beat too. I thanked Wiggs for his giving me a fair shot here on GetBig and told him what a pleasure it was to meet him.
Stuntmovie- I actually spoke to him once on the phone and realized he is but an encyclopedia of bodybuilding!!! He was so nice in leaving me a message and offering to
give me a ride from the airport. He found me at the Meet The Olympians and just could not have been more welcoming to me. He was the one who brought
Wiggs and Ron over to meet me. Stuntmovie appears to be a somewhat private person so I didn't want o press my luck in asking too many questions but he
was really very nice.
Ron- Yes, I got to meet Ron. Again, just a nice, real person. No attitude, no pomposity. He didn't even tell me he owns this site. I am still trying to figure out who is who so
I asked about you guys and about Ron himself. He has such nice things to say about you guys and he really seems to do this because he loves the sport. We all took photos
together and I introduced them all to Craig who was just thrilled to meet everyone.
I will write some more in the next few days about a few things, if they interest you (my meeting Mike Christian, Fabricio Werdum, my interaction with Guy Sisternino's fans, the fans
of Eddie Correa, the fans of Jose Raymond, the complete disgust I have for The Orleans Hotel, and of course, the poor event that was Mr. Olympia.
I was hoping to meet more GetBiggers but thanks to everyone who was so nice to me and Craig.
Harley
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Kick ass play by play Harley. You should talk to the powers that be about MC'ing the show next year. You are much better dressed than Bob Chick.
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Kick ass play by play Harley. You should talk to the powers that be about MC'ing the show next year. You are much better dressed than Bob Chick.
Dear Irongrip400,
I didn't understand "Kick ass play by play" but I will tell those stories if you like and Shawn Ray, and the top open men who were more interested in scoring
drugs and getting off the stage to party if that helps.
Chick's questions were hackneyed and predictable. Funny you should mention it because I was saying his questions to Craig's wife sitting next to me before
Chick did and she asked, "How did you know he would ask that?" I replied, "Because they are the standard, asked every-time questions which require no thought
and do nothing to inspire the fans." I then did my own interview with her.
Harley
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Yes, give us the dirt that the elites try to hide from the masses!
Also, how was the crowd reaction when they announced Phil winning?
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Harley,
How did you discover getbig.com?
I used to post on some shitty site called wannabebig.com (oh brother) and they would always say getbig was like a warzone, came here and read a thread about Lee Priest defecating on booty's chest and never went back.
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Yes, give us the dirt that the elites try to hide from the masses!
Also, how was the crowd reaction when they announced Phil winning?
Dear Coffeed,
I promise that Tuesday will be my GetBig catch up day. The competitors sucked as far as their appreciation and attitude towards the fans. I have my opinions!!!
The 212 frustrated me so much as well as the horrible presentation (video screens, Chick's comments, the kissing ass of the judges, etc.) that
I got up and left. I was there when they took Phil to the far right on a call out and the fans went crazy with approval!!
Harley
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Harley,
How did you discover getbig.com?
I used to post on some shitty site called wannabebig.com (oh brother) and they would always say getbig was like a warzone, came here and read a thread about Lee Priest defecating on booty's chest and never went back.
Dear Hulkotron,
Actually, Craig told me about it and between Herne's photos (I don't think Herne cares for me) and the incredible computer skills and opinions you guys exchange, I was
terribly interested to read and exchange ideas without the fear of the politics of bodybuilding scaring people away.
Harley
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Dear Hulkotron,
Actually, Craig told me about it and between Herne's photos (I don't think Herne cares for me) and the incredible computer skills and opinions you guys exchange, I was
terribly interested to read and exchange ideas without the fear of the politics of bodybuilding scaring people away.
Harley
That's unfortunate, you seem a very decent fellow.
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Dear Harley,
What do you think about the Oilympia 2015?
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Hey Guys,
It appears that Herne posted pics on Random Pics of himself at the Olympia.
I am a bit saddened he chose not to introduce himself to me and Craig as we are long time fans of his
and I owe him a special appreciation. I would really have liked to buy him a drink or some dinner.
Well, everyone should choose their own path but hopefully, his and mine will cross and I can at least thank him
and perhaps change his opinion of me, whatever that may be or how he came to it.
Harley
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Kick ass play by play Harley. You should talk to the powers that be about MC'ing the show next year. You are much better dressed than Bob Chick.
harley would do a far better job
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Dear Harley,
What do you think about the Oilympia 2015?
Dear OB1,
Trust me, it's coming out on Tuesday. I just returned home from Vegas and have 6 cases and 2 meeting with Prosecutors tomorrow so I am
trying to get a bit prepared.
Of course, I just can't ignore GetBig for too long and I am curious to read what you guys thought.
I was hoping to get some feedback about Craig and how you think he looked and where he should've placed (if not where he landed).
Just because I am his Training Partner and friend, doesn't mean I don't want to hear criticism, preferably sincere and or constructive. It's always good
to get the view from "other eyes."
I am quite disgusted with the Powers That Be and will voice my sentiments this week as they can't hurt me-- I don't compete, I don't work for them,
I don't push any product line and they don't pay my bills so they can continue with their NPC "Non-Profit" charade and their IFBB political nightmare for all I care but
I live in America and my voice, perhaps meaningless, but thanks to my Dad and ALL the other men and women who served in our military forces, has just the same rights to be heard as does theirs.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
When I return in full force on Tuesday, I am going to have a very special question for Vince G who repeatedly
attempted to diminish my opinion regarding Kai, whether Kai needs to compete and just how well advised he is.
I know he is well respected here and well liked but nevertheless, why can't someone ask a legitimate yet challenging question as
long as it's done with respect?
Harley
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Hey Guys,
It appears that Herne posted pics on Random Pics of himself at the Olympia.
I am a bit saddened he chose not to introduce himself to me and Craig as we are long time fans of his
and I owe him a special appreciation. I would really have liked to buy him a drink or some dinner.
Well, everyone should choose their own path but hopefully, his and mine will cross and I can at least thank him
and perhaps change his opinion of me, whatever that may be or how he came to it.
Harley
Older gentleman wearing the red toddler tee? How do we know it's him?
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Dear OB1,
Trust me, it's coming out on Tuesday. I just returned home from Vegas and have 6 cases and 2 meeting with Prosecutors tomorrow so I am
trying to get a bit prepared.
Of course, I just can't ignore GetBig for too long and I am curious to read what you guys thought.
I was hoping to get some feedback about Craig and how you think he looked and where he should've placed (if not where he landed).
Just because I am his Training Partner and friend, doesn't mean I don't want to hear criticism, preferably sincere and or constructive. It's always good
to get the view from "other eyes."
I am quite disgusted with the Powers That Be and will voice my sentiments this week as they can't hurt me-- I don't compete, I don't work for them,
I don't push any product line and they don't pay my bills so they can continue with their NPC "Non-Profit" charade and their IFBB political nightmare for all I care but
I live in America and my voice, perhaps meaningless, but thanks to my Dad and ALL the other men and women who served in our military forces, has just the same rights to be heard as does theirs.
Harley
Alright.
Looking forward to it.
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Older gentleman wearing the red toddler tee? How do we know it's him?
No, middle aged guy wearing yellow spandex shirt posing with bodybuilders. I just assumed but perhaps I am way off.
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Yeah, same dude, different day.
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Hey Guys,
I want to begin by saying that I actually missed being able to read your thoughts and your threads during my time away at the Mr. Olympia.
By now, you know that Craig took 9th Place in the 212 Division.
I did look for Lou Ferrigno at the Expo but never found him. I don't think he was there but you guys would know better.
I want to mention before I have to leave and prepare for work just a bit about my encounters with the following persons:
Wiggs- I would be less than honest if I were to say that I was not a little bit nervous in meeting him. Stuntmovie said he would bring him over and I was concerned
as to how it would go. Well, I am here to say that once Wiggs and I agreed to leave out the issue of whether or not I am Jewish (and we both laughed as
we made this an immediate non-issue) I could not have had a better time in speaking with him. A gentleman, polite, a good listener and very intelligent.
I wanted to know a bit about himself and his background but I did not wish to pry into his personal life. What I found was an insightful, bright, well-educated,
hard working and caring of a person. I have to say, given my short lifespan on GetBig, I wasn't sure what to expect from any of the men behind the computer
screens, especially Wiggs. I wasn't even sure they would let him in the building before I met him. He is a very nice guy and a pleasure to be around. He is
quite up-beat too. I thanked Wiggs for his giving me a fair shot here on GetBig and told him what a pleasure it was to meet him.
Stuntmovie- I actually spoke to him once on the phone and realized he is but an encyclopedia of bodybuilding!!! He was so nice in leaving me a message and offering to
give me a ride from the airport. He found me at the Meet The Olympians and just could not have been more welcoming to me. He was the one who brought
Wiggs and Ron over to meet me. Stuntmovie appears to be a somewhat private person so I didn't want o press my luck in asking too many questions but he
was really very nice.
Ron- Yes, I got to meet Ron. Again, just a nice, real person. No attitude, no pomposity. He didn't even tell me he owns this site. I am still trying to figure out who is who so
I asked about you guys and about Ron himself. He has such nice things to say about you guys and he really seems to do this because he loves the sport. We all took photos
together and I introduced them all to Craig who was just thrilled to meet everyone.
I will write some more in the next few days about a few things, if they interest you (my meeting Mike Christian, Fabricio Werdum, my interaction with Guy Sisternino's fans, the fans
of Eddie Correa, the fans of Jose Raymond, the complete disgust I have for The Orleans Hotel, and of course, the poor event that was Mr. Olympia.
I was hoping to meet more GetBiggers but thanks to everyone who was so nice to me and Craig.
Harley
Dear Harley
I think you must be confussing Wiggs with another getbigger.
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Dear Harley
I think you must be confussing Wiggs with another getbigger.
^^
From my encounters with Wiggs i have to say the same.
Very intelligent.
Maybe wise even.
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Harley,
How did you discover getbig.com?
I used to post on some shitty site called wannabebig.com (oh brother) and they would always say getbig was like a warzone, came here and read a thread about Lee Priest defecating on booty's chest and never went back.
I used to post on there too........remember Chris Mason?
I posted almost everywhere at one time or another. :(
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No, middle aged guy wearing yellow spandex shirt posing with bodybuilders. I just assumed but perhaps I am way off.
Doubt that was herne. He hardly posts to say anything, 99% poctures from that account.
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I used to post on there too........remember Chris Mason?
I posted almost everywhere at one time or another. :(
at least not worse than me...i discovered this site through matt ogus (no homo)
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at least not worse than me...i discovered this site through matt ogus (no homo)
google.de brought me here.
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Hey Guys,
I could be completely wrong, but I think I read a piece where Shawn Ray is criticizing Chris Aceto for giving Cedric too many diuretics and not caring
about the guy's health.
IF that is really what Shawn is saying, and again, I could have this all wrong, but I can PERSONALLY comment on this issue.
I will NOT comment (attack Shawn) until I have a better understanding as to just who Shawn is attacking.
Harley
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I used to post on there too........remember Chris Mason?
I posted almost everywhere at one time or another. :(
Yes! One of the bigger guys on wannabebig, I think he was one of the mods there.
Chris used to post here too, haven't seen a post from him in years though:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=587
I don't recall what my username was over there, this was like 10 years ago.
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Hey Guys,
Yes, I am doing it. I am going out on a limb and publicly announcing that today, Monday, September 21, 2015 is Day One.
I am now on a 15 Week Diet Program to get out of this terrible physical and much more important, mental, condition I have permitted
myself to become.
Oh, listen, thanks to Las Vegas and my short time here on GetBig, I am well aware of the risks in making such an announcement. Credibility
is an important trait on GetBig and now, once I hit that "Post" button, mine is forever on the line. No excuses, no more issues popping up, this
would have to be it. Well, I am going to hit both the "Post" button and the "Time To Man Up, Change Your Life and Put Aside Depression and Other
Excuses" Button.
Everyone loses a parent, a dog and goes through rough times. I let it get the better of me for far too long. It's been years and I'm tired of the fat jokes,
clothes not fitting, the feelings of embarrassment and the inner thoughts of complete and utter failure. Trust me, making money and having "stuff" is nice, but if you feel
like a failure and are embarrassed at your own self, money will not "cure" those feelings. There really are important things in life money just won't buy. Self-esteem
is, at least for me, one of those things.
My weight got as high as 227 lbs. Today, I weighed in at 212.2 lbs. My all-time best condition was at 167 lbs. but I think that might be a bit too light given
my age and diminished muscle since that 167 weigh-in.
Nevertheless, the goal is 167 pounds in 15 weeks!!!! That number will ONLY change if Craig determines I should be heavier at my ultimate condition and I can do that.
Well, I set the alarm for 5:30 am, got the cat fed, got myself ready and just finished my coffee. I will go do my first 1 hour session of cardio and the other 1 hour session
late tonight. Today is a day off from the gym which is good as I have 6 cases and 2 meetings with Prosecutors.
Now, I am prepared for some vicious assaults and I am going to wear some thick skin just for that because many people make such lofty goals and pronounce them as if
someone else should care.
The reason I announced this here, at Craig's reticence, is that I feel very lucky to have been so well received and this is a place where I suppose others, perhaps not crazy
enough to publicly admit it, feel the same as I have felt the past few years and also wish to change how they look. Here is a place to find not sympathy, but rather, empathy,
knowledge, advice and perhaps even support. I am not one of those people who forget those who support me and I wish to thank, in advance, anyone who feels like I do and
is wishing me well. I am looking at this as more of a team effort which gives me a bit more hope and optimism. As I capture this on my documentary (and I will speak of how
the IFBB and the Orleans Hotel tried to fuck up my documentary!!!!) I will be thanking GetBig and no, that will NOT be edited out of the final cut.
Well, "Cardio-Time" and off to begin this brutal but necessary journey of my personal redemption.
Thanks for listening (I guess I should write "reading").
Harley
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hey harley i was in the same boat got up to 240
did two brutal cardio sessions per day for monthes , now 175
as one gets older cardio is way more effective in losing weight. in my 20's i could just go on a low carb diet and do weights
that doesnt work as well now as it did then
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Nevertheless, the goal is 167 pounds in 15 weeks!!!!
Harley
Admirable goal, but why put a time deadline on it? If you are losing the weight AND feeling better each week or so, that is what counts. Accept is as a lifestyle change and the weight will settle where it will.
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Dear Old School Fan,
That is awesome!!! You must feel great.
It's funny, every time I got in shape, there was a massive amount of cardio involved and it wasn't my BJJ or MMA, it was the elyptic rider for me.
Your success is encouraging.
Thanks.
Harley
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Dear Grape Ape,
The reason for the time line is that without one, I find too many excuses and don't feel the pressure.
Once the damn weight is off, the maintenance is so much easier.
I'm just one of those guys that can't have any cheat meals or a loosening of the rules.
I do agree that once I lose all the fat and then gain a bit of muscle, the weight will settle at a place provided I make
a true lifestyle change which I have to do.
Harley
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Yes! One of the bigger guys on wannabebig, I think he was one of the mods there.
Chris used to post here too, haven't seen a post from him in years though:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=587
I don't recall what my username was over there, this was like 10 years ago.
Yup,I remember him posting here also.
Lots of guys have come and gone.
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Yup,I remember him posting here also.
Lots of guys have come and gone.
I have to search through my PMs and see the one I got from Jay Cutler back in 2005 when he use to post here. I just hope it wasn't when I had the Mtwain account that got TOed then banned because of Lee Priest.
Ron nuked that account.
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Harley did you read my last PM?
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Dear Old School Fan,
That is awesome!!! You must feel great.
It's funny, every time I got in shape, there was a massive amount of cardio involved and it wasn't my BJJ or MMA, it was the elyptic rider for me.
Your success is encouraging.
Thanks.
Harley
yes harley i feel alot better , even now what i do , i do bike for 25 minutes, jump on precor for 25 minutes then tread mill for 15
i am 38 now, and cardio has helped me the most losing weight. and of course i make sure i am breaking a sweat gong from 240-190 was the most brutal and mentally challenging thing ive ever done, ha i dont want to go through that again.
but just like you the first thing i do every morning very early is get out of bed and go do my cardio no exceptions even on weekends.
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Dear Grape Ape,
The reason for the time line is that without one, I find too many excuses and don't feel the pressure.
Once the damn weight is off, the maintenance is so much easier.
I'm just one of those guys that can't have any cheat meals or a loosening of the rules.
I do agree that once I lose all the fat and then gain a bit of muscle, the weight will settle at a place provided I make
a true lifestyle change which I have to do.
Harley
hey harley i noticed this to, i am dieting hard now for a long vacation i am going to take over seas, i do not binge at all, like i dont have a bing day at all, if i cheat it is for one meal only that day , and i make a point not to eat anything that day, if i binge for the whole day i can literally gain back like 8 to 10 lbs of water, and it is so hard to take that back off. this was the most difficult thing for me to do is eliminate binge days, but then i thought to myself all the brutal cardio i have to do , to take that weight off i gained back. and sometimes if i want a hamburger i just fry up the patty and do a lettuce wrap for it.
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I have to search through my PMs and see the one I got from Jay Cutler back in 2005 when he use to post here. I just hope it wasn't when I had the Mtwain account that got TOed then banned because of Lee Priest.
Ron nuked that account.
I got one from Aceto (old friend from back home),if I can find it.......gotta` delete about 2 million PM`s!! :D
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Yup,I remember him posting here also.
Lots of guys have come and gone.
I remember Chris M posting a video of him attempting TA's 225 deadlift for 112 reps in under five minutes feat, I think he got to 50 or so and gassed.
Harley good luck with your goals.
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Good luck. How tall are you?
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Hey Guys,
Yes, I am doing it. I am going out on a limb and publicly announcing that today, Monday, September 21, 2015 is Day One.
I am now on a 15 Week Diet Program to get out of this terrible physical and much more important, mental, condition I have permitted
myself to become.
Oh, listen, thanks to Las Vegas and my short time here on GetBig, I am well aware of the risks in making such an announcement. Credibility
is an important trait on GetBig and now, once I hit that "Post" button, mine is forever on the line. No excuses, no more issues popping up, this
would have to be it. Well, I am going to hit both the "Post" button and the "Time To Man Up, Change Your Life and Put Aside Depression and Other
Excuses" Button.
Everyone loses a parent, a dog and goes through rough times. I let it get the better of me for far too long. It's been years and I'm tired of the fat jokes,
clothes not fitting, the feelings of embarrassment and the inner thoughts of complete and utter failure. Trust me, making money and having "stuff" is nice, but if you feel
like a failure and are embarrassed at your own self, money will not "cure" those feelings. There really are important things in life money just won't buy. Self-esteem
is, at least for me, one of those things.
My weight got as high as 227 lbs. Today, I weighed in at 212.2 lbs. My all-time best condition was at 167 lbs. but I think that might be a bit too light given
my age and diminished muscle since that 167 weigh-in.
Nevertheless, the goal is 167 pounds in 15 weeks!!!! That number will ONLY change if Craig determines I should be heavier at my ultimate condition and I can do that.
Well, I set the alarm for 5:30 am, got the cat fed, got myself ready and just finished my coffee. I will go do my first 1 hour session of cardio and the other 1 hour session
late tonight. Today is a day off from the gym which is good as I have 6 cases and 2 meetings with Prosecutors.
Now, I am prepared for some vicious assaults and I am going to wear some thick skin just for that because many people make such lofty goals and pronounce them as if
someone else should care.
The reason I announced this here, at Craig's reticence, is that I feel very lucky to have been so well received and this is a place where I suppose others, perhaps not crazy
enough to publicly admit it, feel the same as I have felt the past few years and also wish to change how they look. Here is a place to find not sympathy, but rather, empathy,
knowledge, advice and perhaps even support. I am not one of those people who forget those who support me and I wish to thank, in advance, anyone who feels like I do and
is wishing me well. I am looking at this as more of a team effort which gives me a bit more hope and optimism. As I capture this on my documentary (and I will speak of how
the IFBB and the Orleans Hotel tried to fuck up my documentary!!!!) I will be thanking GetBig and no, that will NOT be edited out of the final cut.
Well, "Cardio-Time" and off to begin this brutal but necessary journey of my personal redemption.
Thanks for listening (I guess I should write "reading").
Harley
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Dear Grape Ape,
The reason for the time line is that without one, I find too many excuses and don't feel the pressure.
Once the damn weight is off, the maintenance is so much easier.
I'm just one of those guys that can't have any cheat meals or a loosening of the rules.
I do agree that once I lose all the fat and then gain a bit of muscle, the weight will settle at a place provided I make
a true lifestyle change which I have to do.
Harley
Makes sense - competing in OCR races and other stuff keeps me on point too. I guess i just wouldn't be hell bent on the final number. In other words, and this is just personal opinion so it's subjective, if I picked a desired weight, I could probably force my body to it. But if my body settled in a range that was a bit above, I would think that would be a spot that would be easier to maintain then if I picked an absolute goal number to get there.
All good either way.....good luck....but from what I've read about you so far, you will not have any issue accomplishing your goal.
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Hey Guys,
Yes, I am doing it. I am going out on a limb and publicly announcing that today, Monday, September 21, 2015 is Day One.
I am now on a 15 Week Diet Program to get out of this terrible physical and much more important, mental, condition I have permitted
myself to become.
Oh, listen, thanks to Las Vegas and my short time here on GetBig, I am well aware of the risks in making such an announcement. Credibility
is an important trait on GetBig and now, once I hit that "Post" button, mine is forever on the line. No excuses, no more issues popping up, this
would have to be it. Well, I am going to hit both the "Post" button and the "Time To Man Up, Change Your Life and Put Aside Depression and Other
Excuses" Button.
Everyone loses a parent, a dog and goes through rough times. I let it get the better of me for far too long. It's been years and I'm tired of the fat jokes,
clothes not fitting, the feelings of embarrassment and the inner thoughts of complete and utter failure. Trust me, making money and having "stuff" is nice, but if you feel
like a failure and are embarrassed at your own self, money will not "cure" those feelings. There really are important things in life money just won't buy. Self-esteem
is, at least for me, one of those things.
My weight got as high as 227 lbs. Today, I weighed in at 212.2 lbs. My all-time best condition was at 167 lbs. but I think that might be a bit too light given
my age and diminished muscle since that 167 weigh-in.
Nevertheless, the goal is 167 pounds in 15 weeks!!!! That number will ONLY change if Craig determines I should be heavier at my ultimate condition and I can do that.
Well, I set the alarm for 5:30 am, got the cat fed, got myself ready and just finished my coffee. I will go do my first 1 hour session of cardio and the other 1 hour session
late tonight. Today is a day off from the gym which is good as I have 6 cases and 2 meetings with Prosecutors.
Now, I am prepared for some vicious assaults and I am going to wear some thick skin just for that because many people make such lofty goals and pronounce them as if
someone else should care.
The reason I announced this here, at Craig's reticence, is that I feel very lucky to have been so well received and this is a place where I suppose others, perhaps not crazy
enough to publicly admit it, feel the same as I have felt the past few years and also wish to change how they look. Here is a place to find not sympathy, but rather, empathy,
knowledge, advice and perhaps even support. I am not one of those people who forget those who support me and I wish to thank, in advance, anyone who feels like I do and
is wishing me well. I am looking at this as more of a team effort which gives me a bit more hope and optimism. As I capture this on my documentary (and I will speak of how
the IFBB and the Orleans Hotel tried to fuck up my documentary!!!!) I will be thanking GetBig and no, that will NOT be edited out of the final cut.
Well, "Cardio-Time" and off to begin this brutal but necessary journey of my personal redemption.
Thanks for listening (I guess I should write "reading").
Harley
Hi, Harley! Great post, and you're right in that you've now committed yourself. (You are one of the few guys everyone will believe can actually do it, though. You have been in excellent shape in the past, so that helps. I know you will do it and it will be inspiring to watch.)
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Good luck. How tall are you?
He's 5' 7"
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He's 5' 7"
Thx.
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Hey Guys,
Yes, I am doing it. I am going out on a limb and publicly announcing that today, Monday, September 21, 2015 is Day One.
I am now on a 15 Week Diet Program to get out of this terrible physical and much more important, mental, condition I have permitted
myself to become.
Oh, listen, thanks to Las Vegas and my short time here on GetBig, I am well aware of the risks in making such an announcement. Credibility
is an important trait on GetBig and now, once I hit that "Post" button, mine is forever on the line. No excuses, no more issues popping up, this
would have to be it. Well, I am going to hit both the "Post" button and the "Time To Man Up, Change Your Life and Put Aside Depression and Other
Excuses" Button.
Everyone loses a parent, a dog and goes through rough times. I let it get the better of me for far too long. It's been years and I'm tired of the fat jokes,
clothes not fitting, the feelings of embarrassment and the inner thoughts of complete and utter failure. Trust me, making money and having "stuff" is nice, but if you feel
like a failure and are embarrassed at your own self, money will not "cure" those feelings. There really are important things in life money just won't buy. Self-esteem
is, at least for me, one of those things.
My weight got as high as 227 lbs. Today, I weighed in at 212.2 lbs. My all-time best condition was at 167 lbs. but I think that might be a bit too light given
my age and diminished muscle since that 167 weigh-in.
Nevertheless, the goal is 167 pounds in 15 weeks!!!! That number will ONLY change if Craig determines I should be heavier at my ultimate condition and I can do that.
Well, I set the alarm for 5:30 am, got the cat fed, got myself ready and just finished my coffee. I will go do my first 1 hour session of cardio and the other 1 hour session
late tonight. Today is a day off from the gym which is good as I have 6 cases and 2 meetings with Prosecutors.
Now, I am prepared for some vicious assaults and I am going to wear some thick skin just for that because many people make such lofty goals and pronounce them as if
someone else should care.
The reason I announced this here, at Craig's reticence, is that I feel very lucky to have been so well received and this is a place where I suppose others, perhaps not crazy
enough to publicly admit it, feel the same as I have felt the past few years and also wish to change how they look. Here is a place to find not sympathy, but rather, empathy,
knowledge, advice and perhaps even support. I am not one of those people who forget those who support me and I wish to thank, in advance, anyone who feels like I do and
is wishing me well. I am looking at this as more of a team effort which gives me a bit more hope and optimism. As I capture this on my documentary (and I will speak of how
the IFBB and the Orleans Hotel tried to fuck up my documentary!!!!) I will be thanking GetBig and no, that will NOT be edited out of the final cut.
Well, "Cardio-Time" and off to begin this brutal but necessary journey of my personal redemption.
Thanks for listening (I guess I should write "reading").
Harley
calm down here Harley!!!
that's all I need is someone to inspire me to start working out again!!! (no, seriously, that's all I need!!!)
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calm down here Harley!!!
that's all I need is someone to inspire me to start working out again!!! (no, seriously, that's all I need!!!)
You guys are about the same age, too. He's removing all the convenient excuses for you!
;D
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the support. Day One always sounds so hysterically positive but there won't be any more crashes for me. I can't live like this anymore.
I just finished my 2nd round of cardio (1 hour each) and am drinking my third meal.
I figured I would try to fit it in between conferences and court so I don't have to do it at 9:00 pm tonight.
Eating 5-6 times per day is brutal for me as I don't like eating so many times and hate to stop what I am doing just to eat. Thank God 5 Guys hasn't
yet figured out the genius of the "Drive Thru."
I promise to get on my Mr. Olympia Report tomorrow but it isn't going to be pretty.
Harley
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I just turned 48 years old last week and yes, I am just 5 foot 7 inches but as I like to say, "who cares, bitch, you ain't stayin' but an hour."
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You guys are about the same age, too. He's removing all the convenient excuses for you!
;D
I've got a few years on him. my spine is the most limiting factor for me, and my attitude.
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the support. Day One always sounds so hysterically positive but there won't be any more crashes for me. I can't live like this anymore.
I just finished my 2nd round of cardio (1 hour each) and am drinking my third meal.
I figured I would try to fit it in between conferences and court so I don't have to do it at 9:00 pm tonight.
Eating 5-6 times per day is brutal for me as I don't like eating so many times and hate to stop what I am doing just to eat. Thank God 5 Guys hasn't
yet figured out the genius of the "Drive Thru."
I promise to get on my Mr. Olympia Report tomorrow but it isn't going to be pretty.
Harley
:D.. 8)
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the support. Day One always sounds so hysterically positive but there won't be any more crashes for me. I can't live like this anymore.
I just finished my 2nd round of cardio (1 hour each) and am drinking my third meal.
I figured I would try to fit it in between conferences and court so I don't have to do it at 9:00 pm tonight.
Eating 5-6 times per day is brutal for me as I don't like eating so many times and hate to stop what I am doing just to eat. Thank God 5 Guys hasn't
yet figured out the genius of the "Drive Thru."
I promise to get on my Mr. Olympia Report tomorrow but it isn't going to be pretty.
Harley
We are looking forward to it.
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I've got a few years on him. my spine is the most limiting factor for me, and my attitude.
Are you familiar with Jeff's (Be There, Simple Simon) use of bands to work out, hazbin? If so, do you have any comment on it?
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Hey Guys,
When I return in full force on Tuesday, I am going to have a very special question for Vince G who repeatedly
attempted to diminish my opinion regarding Kai, whether Kai needs to compete and just how well advised he is.
I know he is well respected here and well liked but nevertheless, why can't someone ask a legitimate yet challenging question as
long as it's done with respect?
Harley
Harley,
I'm going out on a limb here but i have to say this might be the most interesting post you've made so far.
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Harley,
I'm going out on a limb here but i have to say this might be the most interesting post you've made so far.
Dear Dave D,
Might I ask why? I know I have to be careful when addressing your Venerable Vince G.
Harley
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Dear Dave D,
Might I ask why? I know I have to be careful when addressing your Venerable Vince G.
Harley
Harley,
Venom Vince is more of a whipping boy here. While he often will provide interesting info, Vince normally does it in a way that requires him go receive no credit for his "insider scoop".
He's a good dude otherwise
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I rather enjoy this thread and your posts Harley.
You remind me of this guy a bit if you were a pro wrestler
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Harley,
Venom Vince is more of a whipping boy here. While he often will provide interesting info, Vince normally does it in a way that requires him go receive no credit for his "insider scoop".
He's a good dude otherwise
Dear Dave D,
I have nothing against Vince G but we do differ as to how to run a business, or at least Kai's business.
I don't know if Vince G has ever met Kai or watched as to how he conducts his business (on and away from the grapefruit, watermelon and towel).
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Yes, I am doing it. I am going out on a limb and publicly announcing that today, Monday, September 21, 2015 is Day One.
I am now on a 15 Week Diet Program to get out of this terrible physical and much more important, mental, condition I have permitted
myself to become.
Oh, listen, thanks to Las Vegas and my short time here on GetBig, I am well aware of the risks in making such an announcement. Credibility
is an important trait on GetBig and now, once I hit that "Post" button, mine is forever on the line. No excuses, no more issues popping up, this
would have to be it. Well, I am going to hit both the "Post" button and the "Time To Man Up, Change Your Life and Put Aside Depression and Other
Excuses" Button.
Everyone loses a parent, a dog and goes through rough times. I let it get the better of me for far too long. It's been years and I'm tired of the fat jokes,
clothes not fitting, the feelings of embarrassment and the inner thoughts of complete and utter failure. Trust me, making money and having "stuff" is nice, but if you feel
like a failure and are embarrassed at your own self, money will not "cure" those feelings. There really are important things in life money just won't buy. Self-esteem
is, at least for me, one of those things.
My weight got as high as 227 lbs. Today, I weighed in at 212.2 lbs. My all-time best condition was at 167 lbs. but I think that might be a bit too light given
my age and diminished muscle since that 167 weigh-in.
Nevertheless, the goal is 167 pounds in 15 weeks!!!! That number will ONLY change if Craig determines I should be heavier at my ultimate condition and I can do that.
Well, I set the alarm for 5:30 am, got the cat fed, got myself ready and just finished my coffee. I will go do my first 1 hour session of cardio and the other 1 hour session
late tonight. Today is a day off from the gym which is good as I have 6 cases and 2 meetings with Prosecutors.
Now, I am prepared for some vicious assaults and I am going to wear some thick skin just for that because many people make such lofty goals and pronounce them as if
someone else should care.
The reason I announced this here, at Craig's reticence, is that I feel very lucky to have been so well received and this is a place where I suppose others, perhaps not crazy
enough to publicly admit it, feel the same as I have felt the past few years and also wish to change how they look. Here is a place to find not sympathy, but rather, empathy,
knowledge, advice and perhaps even support. I am not one of those people who forget those who support me and I wish to thank, in advance, anyone who feels like I do and
is wishing me well. I am looking at this as more of a team effort which gives me a bit more hope and optimism. As I capture this on my documentary (and I will speak of how
the IFBB and the Orleans Hotel tried to fuck up my documentary!!!!) I will be thanking GetBig and no, that will NOT be edited out of the final cut.
Well, "Cardio-Time" and off to begin this brutal but necessary journey of my personal redemption.
Thanks for listening (I guess I should write "reading").
Harley
dear Harley
you CAN do this..................it will take some reserve, fortitude and discipline- all of which you possess.
Don't forget you are a WORLD CHAMPION in BJJ and a high achiever in all other aspects of life AND you have got in great shape before.
It wont be a walk in the park but you CAN do it!
also, congrats to you and Craig @ the O- 9th in the world @ the highest level is something to be proud of and no mean feat.
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Nothing more to add then that i really enjoy your posts harley, if you ever want a visa to north korea just call your local north korean bassy and say that kim jong bob from getbig says its ok
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Thanks so much for the support and kind words!!! It really does help, especially now at 5:23 am as I wait a bit for my coffee
to take some affect so that my eyes open wide enough to turn on the elyptic rider in my house for cardio.
Well, Day One went perfectly but I can see that my law practice is going to suffer quite a bit. There is only so much energy one can
muster and one needs to allocate that energy properly.
Well, screw the law practice for 15 weeks. The courthouse will still be standing long after I die and the system is so inefficient that almost
everything is "rush to show up, wait around forever and then just get a new date with nothing accomplished."
My life can't be dictated by such incompetence. Time to get in shape.
I will be sure to get as much Olympia reporting in these next 2 days as possible.
And thanks for the comments about Craig- 9th in the world isn't too bad. I think with just a few more Gatorades in him and a couple
days of rest, Craig will be motivated to do even better next year, if he does the Olympia which I am not in favor.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I was sent a PM by someone asking if I would mind if they set up separate threads for the questions and topics dealt with on this "Appreciation Thread."
I really appreciate the interest but I must say that I am going to just stick to this thread here in terms of posting and responding. As the request mentioned,
it would be a bit more work on my part and I just can't take that on right now.
I am really happy on this one thread and I do feel that I have responded quickly (except when away at Olympia) to all your questions and thoughts.
Also, I am very committed to answering all PMs as soon as they arrive and I have done that too and have kept those messages private as they should remain.
Again, I thank you for the interest, but I just can't spread myself out over several threads.
I am going to park myself here and hope that it works for the majority of you guys and that we can continue, especially now that your opinions as to diet, training
and cardio are going to help me on my newly announced quest.
Thanks again.
Harley
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A separate thread would just end up like this thread sooner or latee so no idea to that
Harley now that you are training hard and on diet do you take amy supplements?
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Nothing more to add then that i really enjoy your posts harley, if you ever want a visa to north korea just call your local north korean bassy and say that kim jong bob from getbig says its ok
Dear Kim Jong Bob,
I would love to visit North Korea. I am just concerned that my lest than scrupulous vices would dishonor your beautiful country.
In 1985 I visited then Communist East Berlin as I passed, with some difficulty through Check Point Charlie.
Apparently, the pin on my Levi Denim jacket which read, "Let's Remember Our Vietnam Vets" pasted to the American flag did not go over well in
East Berlin. In fact, they opened my Sony Walkman and took out my cassette tape to see if I was recording anything. The tape, coincidentally, was
Springsteen's "Born In The USA." Remember, this is July of 1985.
East Berlin was a ghost town and the museums were empty.
Harley
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I'd like to give a big thank you to Harley. I asked for a copy of his Grandfather's book,' Through Hell to Life,' and he very graciously, and very generously, sent me a copy. I look forward to reading it. Again, thank you so much. :)
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Harley is by far the most interesting poster we have ever had here, I could read his posts all day.
Good luck on the weight loss, Harley.I myself have gained and lost 50 pounds of fat and some water at least 3 times, first week is toughest then it just becomes a habit, to the point you don't want to cheat.
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A separate thread would just end up like this thread sooner or latee so no idea to that
Harley now that you are training hard and on diet do you take amy supplements?
Dear Kim Jong Bob,
Right now, I am not taking any supplements but Branch Chain Amino Acid powder mixed in water during my training.
I don't know if it does anything but I've never taken it so if I feel just a little better, than it's all good.
Harley
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Not sure why a separate thread would even make sense. Did the person try to explain that, Harley?
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Seems to me it would be best to have everything centralized if someone wants to be sure to read it all.
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I'd like to give a big thank you to Harley. I asked for a copy of his Grandfather's book,' Through Hell to Life,' and he very graciously, and very generously, sent me a copy. I look forward to reading it. Again, thank you so much. :)
Dear Dr. Chimps,
The pleasure is all mine. As I mentioned, my Grandfather was no writer but I do think the story and photos speak volumes.
Please feel free to give your HONEST review when read.
I hope you enjoy the book.
Harley
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Harley is by far the most interesting poster we have ever had here, I could read his posts all day.
Good luck on the weight loss, Harley.I myself have gained and lost 50 pounds of fat and some water at least 3 times, first week is toughest then it just becomes a habit, to the point you don't want to cheat.
Dear Army of One,
Thank you for the kind words and I hope to have half of your discipline.
Day 2 has started out just fine having finished my first hour of cardio and drank my first meal.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
The person did try to explain a bit but perhaps the person didn't find all of the thread worthwhile.
I understand, but I just can't go all over the place.
Let's just keep us here and if things get boring, we can adjust a bit.
Harley
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Dear Dr. Chimps,
The pleasure is all mine. As I mentioned, my Grandfather was no writer but I do think the story and photos speak volumes.
Please feel free to give your HONEST review when read.
I hope you enjoy the book.
Harley
He will. Not sure if you noticed the book-review thread on the general, but he's reviewed tons of books for us. He's one guy who leaves no doubt that he reads and thinks about what he reads.
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Dear Las Vegas,
The person did try to explain a bit but perhaps the person didn't find all of the thread worthwhile.
I understand, but I just can't go all over the place.
Let's just keep us here and if things get boring, we can adjust a bit.
Harley
This thread has largely been a Q and A, so it doesn't make sense to start another one (that I can see, anyway.... no offense intended toward anyone with a different opinion).
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Harley, something I meant to say last week that will lead you to find pictures similar to the ones herne posts...
If you go to google and enter a few words describing things you like, then click 'images', it will call page after page of images. When you see an image you want to investigate, right-click it and 'open in hew tab'. You can find endless stuff that's great. (If you discover you're uninterested in a particular image after opening it in another tab, just remember to close it by x-ing out of it so you won't get overwhelmed with tabs.)
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Then start experimenting with keywords, and you'll find that making just a small change in the words will bring up a whole new set of images.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks for the information. That is news to me, and great news.
Herne does post some great pictures and one of his subjects has certainly sparked my interest.
Thanks.
Harley
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Harley, if you can link me to the pic, I'll find information.
Or if you made special mention about it somewhere, no need to link. I'll find it. (I know you're trying to work)
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Dear Las Vegas,
I am going to keep that one subject of interest a secret, but thanks.
I just spoke to Ronnie Rep and wished him condolences on the loss of his beloved dog.
He was understandably sad yet still very nice, polite and gracious.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I am going to keep that one subject of interest a secret, but thanks.
I just spoke to Ronnie Rep and wished him condolences on the loss of his beloved dog.
He was understandably sad yet still very nice, polite and gracious.
Harley
Got it, Harley.
Then I'll stop looking for info, and won't post any pics on here (was just about to start posting some of the girl I was figuring on).
How did it go, yesterday? Did you get caught up on work, or did you just get stuck with more?
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Got it, Harley.
Then I'll stop looking for info, and won't post any pics on here (was just about to start posting some of the girl I was figuring on).
How did it go, yesterday? Did you get caught up on work, or did you just get stuck with more?
Dear Las Vegas,
Oh no, I just didn't think anybody had figured out which one in particular. You seem to suggest you figured it out.
Would love to see a photo but I might not say if it's her.
I was out yesterday all day and night on 6 cases and 2 conferences so I am here at the home office all day and I am planning on
responding to some of the Olympia news, I promise.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Oh no, I just didn't think anybody had figured out which one in particular. You seem to suggest you figured it out.
Would love to see a photo but I might not say if it's her.
I was out yesterday all day and night on 6 cases and 2 conferences so I am here at the home office all day and I am planning on
responding to some of the Olympia news, I promise.
Harley
I know traveling can be fun... but it can suck, too, in the sense that you're forced to adjust then readjust.
It is so sad about Ronnie's buddy. I hadn't seen the thread until you mentioned it.
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Hey Guys,
So seeing as Las Vegas is going to post at least a few pictures of hot chicks, the least I could do is get back to my Mr. Olympia reporting.
Let me break up my topics so as to make it a bit easier to understand:
2105 212 lb. Division- Mr. Olympia:
Ok, so taking into account that my Training Partner of 17 years and one of my very best friends is Craig Richardson who competes in this division, I
am going to be as unbiased as I can.
1) When the hell is the IFBB going to stop playing that music during both the Pre-Judging and Finals? Most of the audience was not interested in rap or
hip hop music and the worst part is, that you can't hear the competitors, the fans or the judges. We don't need deafening Notorious BIG at a time we could
be listening to what is actually being said by those who matter.
2) It is hard for fans to see when the first 7 rows are allotted to photographers and video guys who stack their equipment so high that it interferes with the view
of those behind them.
3) So Craig isn't called out in the top 6??? Really?? My idea of bodybuilding is size with aesthtetics minus big guts. If that is your ideal then how can you possibly
reward Jose Raymond? Sure, I admire what it took to achieve that conditioning but as I was yelling at the top of my lungs, "Really? Who wants to look like that?"
That's right, I yelled just that at the top of my lungs. And who was the short black guy who was called out in the top 6 who stood all the way to the right? Is that what
we call a pleasing physique? I understand the days of Zane, Bennfatto and Paris are over but seriously, can't we stick to our word and not reward guts that resemble
serious beer consumption rather than weight training?
4) Edward Corriea- I spoke to his family as they are Brazilian and I took some photos for them but as per him? Do you want to look like that? Insane conditioning for sure
but when the shoulders and waist are of the same width, we have a problem. No one would ever choose to make a statue from his build. Did anything pop out when he posed?
Did he come out and make your jaw drop? Did you say, "That is what I aspire to"?
5) Guy Sisternino- Ok, I am biased because I don't like him and I don't like his trashing Craig. But let me ask you this? Do you want to look like him? He is muscular and his
conditioning was good but was he hard from behind? No. Did he have any body part which drew the attention of your eyes and then kept them there?
The judges spend NO time seriously looking at the guys when they FIRST come out. They know the names and the sponsors and that is it. How much money do you think Hide's people
put into the show? He wasn't soft from behind? He impressed you? He had a single body part to DISTINGUISH him from anyone else? The judges are NOT EVEN LOOKING when guys
first come out. I was yelling, "Hey, at least look up and make it look like it's real and not fixed".
6) I am NOT saying Craig should've won or that it as close. I am not. I am saying that if you put aside names, sponsorship and the other politics, is that the true result you are going
to get? Why can't it just be about physiques and not the other crap?
7) I think Craig could easily have been in 6th place to 8th but 9th place?
8) How many of the guys ahead of Craig had glutes and if they even did, how many were more etched than Craig's.
9) Did you see any synthol or infections on Craig?
Harley
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ya hides placing was a joke, nothing pops on the guy
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Yes it is frustrating and I don't understand the logic behind the placings. I definitely think the IFBB is corrupt and something very sinister is going on. It reminds me of boxing and Don King with his murky control of the heavyweight division where politics and money had a bigger effect than skill and hard work. I mean, what in the world is going on when Branch Warren is placing sixth place ahead of guys with physiques infinitely more pleasing to the eye and ahead of him on every metric that a body can be judged. All I can think is money is changing hands off the record, deals are being done and so is the public at large.
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Yes, Harley... since you don't object, I'll do a little more research and post up a few good finds in appreciation for herne, for that certain 'flair' he possesses...
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Hey Guys,
So seeing as Las Vegas is going to post at least a few pictures of hot chicks, the least I could do is get back to my Mr. Olympia reporting.
Let me break up my topics so as to make it a bit easier to understand:
2105 212 lb. Division- Mr. Olympia:
Ok, so taking into account that my Training Partner of 17 years and one of my very best friends is Craig Richardson who competes in this division, I
am going to be as unbiased as I can.
1) When the hell is the IFBB going to stop playing that music during both the Pre-Judging and Finals? Most of the audience was not interested in rap or
hip hop music and the worst part is, that you can't hear the competitors, the fans or the judges. We don't need deafening Notorious BIG at a time we could
be listening to what is actually being said by those who matter.
2) It is hard for fans to see when the first 7 rows are allotted to photographers and video guys who stack their equipment so high that it interferes with the view
of those behind them.
3) So Craig isn't called out in the top 6??? Really?? My idea of bodybuilding is size with aesthtetics minus big guts. If that is your ideal then how can you possibly
reward Jose Raymond? Sure, I admire what it took to achieve that conditioning but as I was yelling at the top of my lungs, "Really? Who wants to look like that?"
That's right, I yelled just that at the top of my lungs. And who was the short black guy who was called out in the top 6 who stood all the way to the right? Is that what
we call a pleasing physique? I understand the days of Zane, Bennfatto and Paris are over but seriously, can't we stick to our word and not reward guts that resemble
serious beer consumption rather than weight training?
4) Edward Corriea- I spoke to his family as they are Brazilian and I took some photos for them but as per him? Do you want to look like that? Insane conditioning for sure
but when the shoulders and waist are of the same width, we have a problem. No one would ever choose to make a statue from his build. Did anything pop out when he posed?
Did he come out and make your jaw drop? Did you say, "That is what I aspire to"?
5) Guy Sisternino- Ok, I am biased because I don't like him and I don't like his trashing Craig. But let me ask you this? Do you want to look like him? He is muscular and his
conditioning was good but was he hard from behind? No. Did he have any body part which drew the attention of your eyes and then kept them there?
The judges spend NO time seriously looking at the guys when they FIRST come out. They know the names and the sponsors and that is it. How much money do you think Hide's people
put into the show? He wasn't soft from behind? He impressed you? He had a single body part to DISTINGUISH him from anyone else? The judges are NOT EVEN LOOKING when guys
first come out. I was yelling, "Hey, at least look up and make it look like it's real and not fixed".
6) I am NOT saying Craig should've won or that it as close. I am not. I am saying that if you put aside names, sponsorship and the other politics, is that the true result you are going
to get? Why can't it just be about physiques and not the other crap?
7) I think Craig could easily have been in 6th place to 8th but 9th place?
8) How many of the guys ahead of Craig had glutes and if they even did, how many were more etched than Craig's.
9) Did you see any synthol or infections on Craig?
Harley
Are you referring to David Henry?
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I've seen ND (fairly sure) make the case why judging is ultimately "fair" due to its process, and he did a great job of making the case.
But after this year, it's seriously difficult to believe that it even approached being fair.
In any case, Craig's placing is nothing to sneeze at. He is among the elite in bodybuilding.
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Besides all the politics Sometimes i think that the judges most look after bodyparts that stand out like huge arms etc, the problem for vraig is that he has no bodyparts that really stands out
........but thats because he has a great symmetri and every bodyparts fits the others and thats what they really should award and thats what bodybuilding is about. Craigs placing was a pure joke.
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This gal, right? You know Herne doesn't know her, he just found the pic online. Never even responded to your inquiry. A little chewed up above the neck, but here's her Twitter info. Send a message:
https://mobile.twitter.com/nataliazardon?lang=en
That girl's body is ridiculous but it was in fact, not the specific home run that Herne hit
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Are you referring to David Henry?
Dear SF1900,
No, I recognize David Henry of course and he is certainly quite the bodybuilder.
Oddly enough, Craig beat him in an open contest but loses to him all the time in the 212.
David Henry is nothing to sneeze at. He is quite impressive in person on stage.
Harley
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Besides all the politics Sometimes i think that the judges most look after bodyparts that stand out like huge arms etc, the problem for vraig is that he has no bodyparts that really stands out
........but thats because he has a great symmetri and every bodyparts fits the others and thats what they really should award and thats what bodybuilding is about. Craigs placing was a pure joke.
Dear Kim Jong Bob,
You are correct although Craig was criticized in years past because his shoulders and legs were "too big." I think getting older took care of that a bit and
perhaps he is more balanced now.
Branch Warren? Who are they kidding? He is a very nice guy but in terms of physiques, is there ANYONE who finds that pleasing to the eye? Muscle for the sake of muscle
is not appealing. How many times are they going to keep Victor Martinez in the top 10?
Harley
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The fact that Craig is a loner, relatively, and doesn't play the circle jerk, only goes to show that he was placed as low as possible without them risking backlash. Who knows how high he might've placed if he was a flake.
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The fact that Craig is a loner, relatively, and doesn't play the circle jerk, only goes to show that he was placed as low as possible without them risking backlash. Who knows how high he might've placed if he was a flake.
RICHARDSON placed in the open mr o yrs ago..no slouch...
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My 2015 Mr. Olympia Report:
The Bottle Incident: So my videographer, Eddie (a Marine who blazed a trail through Vegas as if it were Candy Land) and I are at the 212 Division Pre-Judging.
There is a guy sitting in his chair taking pictures with his camera. That sounds like dozens of other people and not at all strange. He is NOT
standing up. His arms are NOT stretched out above his head. He is simply leaning forward with this arms and taking photos with a small camera and NO extended
lens. Some jerks from several rows behind him are yelling at him as if he is blocking their view. He isn't. He is by himself and just taking pictures in the most harmless
of ways.
Well, these guys throw a plastic water bottle at him and it hits him in the back. The guy, realizing there is a group of them who threw it, doesn't turn around
and those guys begin mocking him. Eddie looks at me and says, "These guys are assholes." I said, "Worse, they're bullies." Eddie and I turn to them and Eddie yells "Hey assholes, what
the fuck are you doing?" They just look at us and don't respond. Eddie yells, "Don't do that shit". I then yell, "Why don't you throw a bottle at us?" They didn't.
Of course, there is no security and no one ensuring that people who paid for seats are actually in a seat and comfortable and not molested by the crowd. It's a virtual
free for all and no one stopping anyone. Of course, Hide's contingency are standing and screaming the whole time as if no one else matters and that Hide is actually impressing someone.
Harley
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Besides all the politics Sometimes i think that the judges most look after bodyparts that stand out like huge arms etc, the problem for vraig is that he has no bodyparts that really stands out
........but thats because he has a great symmetri and every bodyparts fits the others and thats what they really should award and thats what bodybuilding is about. Craigs placing was a pure joke.
I was nowhere near Craig's caliber, (obviously) but had the same issue that I was too symmetrical and nothing jumped out. if I/he had a bodypart that was proportionately too big, it might catch the judges eyes and then he'd get a better look. (matarazzo's arms, demayo's legs)
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Hey Hazbin,
Your physique was awesome when you competed. Don't sell yourself short. And you did it more than once and at an older age.
You have a great deal of which to be proud.
Harley
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RICHARDSON placed in the open mr o yrs ago..no slouch...
No doubt, bro.. and in his 40s, he continues to kill it (just like you do!! ;) )
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Hey Hazbin,
Your physique was awesome when you competed. Don't sell yourself short. And you did it more than once and at an older age.
You have a great deal of which to be proud.
Harley
thank you very much. not to highjack, but a couple pics to show my balance. I always wondered if I woulda gotten a better look if I blew out my arms or shoulders a bit; reducing my symmetry, but getting that 'wow factor'
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Those old pics are really great.
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Looking like a boss, hazbin.
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Looking like a boss, hazbin.
he was ...really good esp the lighter bw 'with hair'pics...
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he was ...really good esp the lighter bw 'with hair'pics...
I wonder how his physique would have been different if he'd used lighter weights.
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I wonder how his physique would have been different if he'd used lighter weights.
I think a lot better, I trained slow enough that I could try to break personal strength records every workout. then I met pros and watched them train lighter and faster paced to blow up the muscle as full as possible.
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Excellent pics Hazbin. This is what bodybuilding is all about.
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Excellent pics Hazbin. This is what bodybuilding is all about.
not according to the judges. lol
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not according to the judges. lol
u got robbed there...man..can tell u were pissed...
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u got robbed there...man..can tell u were pissed...
more just disbelief. that was for the Western Canadian championships, the biggest title I ever could have won. I watched the prejudging tape in the afternoon, and we didn't even see this guy. there were a couple others that I thought might give me a run, but they were out of the top three.
the way I justify not going crazy over it, is that I was an amateur, and it meant nothing financially. guys like Craig getting burnt when it could mean hundreds of thousands in endorsements and such is very sad.
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not according to the judges. lol
You're on the left, right, and you didn't beat that guy?
Don't get it.
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I think a lot better, I trained slow enough that I could try to break personal strength records every workout. then I met pros and watched them train lighter and faster paced to blow up the muscle as full as possible.
i did the same, sure i was big (not hazbin big) but when i starred to really grow was when i left my ego at home and didnt care how much weight i lifted
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not according to the judges. lol
Wide shoulders of peace. Something I never had or Phil Heath. You will always be a legend here.
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not according to the judges. lol
how in the holy fuck did that guy in the middle beat you?
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I was nowhere near Craig's caliber, (obviously) but had the same issue that I was too symmetrical and nothing jumped out. if I/he had a bodypart that was proportionately too big, it might catch the judges eyes and then he'd get a better look. (matarazzo's arms, demayo's legs)
and that is just wrong. .you should have been awarded for that not the other way around
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thank you very much. not to highjack, but a couple pics to show my balance. I always wondered if I woulda gotten a better look if I blew out my arms or shoulders a bit; reducing my symmetry, but getting that 'wow factor'
now that is a good latspread.....if you lived in sweden you would have won the swedish championships including the overall title in all the pics
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how in the holy fuck did that guy in the middle beat you?
Bigger cock, maybe?
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A Thought: So tonight begins the holiest day of the year in the Jewish religion. At the last minute, my Mom changes her mind and asks if we can have a prayer and candles with dinner.
Although I am an atheist, I believe in Judaism as an ethnicity. Therefore, I don't pray to any higher power.
Of course, I oblige my Mom and watch her say a prayer and light candles and talk to her God. That is ironically, the same God that permits her to be emotionally crushed
after losing her husband of almost 55 years. It's been almost 2 years since my Dad passed and my Mother is not over it nor is she doing all too well.
That same God to whom she prays is the same entity to whom I would direct a great source of anger if I though the bastard was even there or bothered to give a listen.
These holidays condemn me to witness a renewed sadness within my Mom at having to go at it with her husband.
And someone wants me to thank God? That same God that allows my Mom to suffer? That same God that for no explicable reason allows my "kids" to be born with all
sorts of mental and physical challenges?
No thanks. I will believe in Physics and Hong Kong Phooey.
Thanks for listening.
Harley
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Thanks so much for the support and kind words!!! It really does help, especially now at 5:23 am as I wait a bit for my coffee
to take some affect so that my eyes open wide enough to turn on the elyptic rider in my house for cardio.
Well, Day One went perfectly but I can see that my law practice is going to suffer quite a bit. There is only so much energy one can
muster and one needs to allocate that energy properly.
Well, screw the law practice for 15 weeks. The courthouse will still be standing long after I die and the system is so inefficient that almost
everything is "rush to show up, wait around forever and then just get a new date with nothing accomplished."
My life can't be dictated by such incompetence. Time to get in shape.
I will be sure to get as much Olympia reporting in these next 2 days as possible.
And thanks for the comments about Craig- 9th in the world isn't too bad. I think with just a few more Gatorades in him and a couple
days of rest, Craig will be motivated to do even better next year, if he does the Olympia which I am not in favor.
Harley
Dear Harley
as you know discipline and consistency are the keys to dieting.
stick with it and take some progress pics
I am SURE you will reach your goal!
all the best
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Day Two went just fine. We are on a roll. LOL
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A Thought: So tonight begins the holiest day of the year in the Jewish religion. At the last minute, my Mom changes her mind and asks if we can have a prayer and candles with dinner.
Although I am an atheist, I believe in Judaism as an ethnicity. Therefore, I don't pray to any higher power.
Of course, I oblige my Mom and watch her say a prayer and light candles and talk to her God. That is ironically, the same God that permits her to be emotionally crushed
after losing her husband of almost 55 years. It's been almost 2 years since my Dad passed and my Mother is not over it nor is she doing all too well.
That same God to whom she prays is the same entity to whom I would direct a great source of anger if I though the bastard was even there or bothered to give a listen.
These holidays condemn me to witness a renewed sadness within my Mom at having to go at it with her husband.
And someone wants me to thank God? That same God that allows my Mom to suffer? That same God that for no explicable reason allows my "kids" to be born with all
sorts of mental and physical challenges?
No thanks. I will believe in Physics and Hong Kong Phooey.
Thanks for listening.
Harley
Just gonna leave this right here.
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Where's the hazbin pic next to ben pakulski? Can't find it anywhere..
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Where's the hazbin pic next to ben pakulski? Can't find it anywhere..
I can post it elsewhere, I feel kinda guilty for highjacking this thread. just tried to make a point about symmetry, but my ego jumped up and took over.
sorry Harley :(
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A Thought: So tonight begins the holiest day of the year in the Jewish religion. At the last minute, my Mom changes her mind and asks if we can have a prayer and candles with dinner.
Although I am an atheist, I believe in Judaism as an ethnicity. Therefore, I don't pray to any higher power.
Of course, I oblige my Mom and watch her say a prayer and light candles and talk to her God. That is ironically, the same God that permits her to be emotionally crushed
after losing her husband of almost 55 years. It's been almost 2 years since my Dad passed and my Mother is not over it nor is she doing all too well.
That same God to whom she prays is the same entity to whom I would direct a great source of anger if I though the bastard was even there or bothered to give a listen.
These holidays condemn me to witness a renewed sadness within my Mom at having to go at it with her husband.
And someone wants me to thank God? That same God that allows my Mom to suffer? That same God that for no explicable reason allows my "kids" to be born with all
sorts of mental and physical challenges?
No thanks. I will believe in Physics and Hong Kong Phooey.
Thanks for listening.
Harley
Dear Harley,
I believe in a creator simply because it's hard for me to believe that all of this around us just happened purely by chance. That the universe somehow always existed and through a random concussions of molecules evolve to what we have today.
I, too, have struggled mightily with the thoughts you expressed and believe that the bad in this world far outweighs the good. That's why I never had kids (though I was always willing to adopt) and what ended my marriage.
So, to me, a far more interesting question is not whether or not a God exist, but is he good?
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A Thought: So tonight begins the holiest day of the year in the Jewish religion. At the last minute, my Mom changes her mind and asks if we can have a prayer and candles with dinner.
Although I am an atheist, I believe in Judaism as an ethnicity. Therefore, I don't pray to any higher power.
Of course, I oblige my Mom and watch her say a prayer and light candles and talk to her God. That is ironically, the same God that permits her to be emotionally crushed
after losing her husband of almost 55 years. It's been almost 2 years since my Dad passed and my Mother is not over it nor is she doing all too well.
That same God to whom she prays is the same entity to whom I would direct a great source of anger if I though the bastard was even there or bothered to give a listen.
These holidays condemn me to witness a renewed sadness within my Mom at having to go at it with her husband.
And someone wants me to thank God? That same God that allows my Mom to suffer? That same God that for no explicable reason allows my "kids" to be born with all
sorts of mental and physical challenges?
No thanks. I will believe in Physics and Hong Kong Phooey.
Thanks for listening.
Harley
Its like when people say prayers for victims of disasters, God has made it perfectly clear he doesnt give a fuck about the victims already, what do they think prayers are going to do?
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I can post it elsewhere, I feel kinda guilty for highjacking this thread. just tried to make a point about symmetry, but my ego jumped up and took over.
sorry Harley :(
Post the pic.
This thread has veered off into all types of subjects. That's what makes it so epic.
BTW, I was very interested in the training and support that Ben has as featured in "Generation Iron." Would like to know more about what goes out in that lab and a detailed breakdown as to what they are doing as Ben trains.
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Dear Hazbin,
No need to apologize. If you remember, I had long ago complimented your physique both times you posted pictures.
As I sit here preparing to start Day 3 of my diet, it inspires me.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
It's nice to hear from you again.
Oh, I don't claim to have copyright to misfortune and I, like so many others, have trouble reconciling how a God could permit
such massive tragedy.
Your question as to whether or not God is good is interesting given your aforementioned opinion that the universe is not random.
Might I offer this: If, as you believe the universe is NOT random AND God DOES exist, then God, by virtue of his omnipotence, is NOT
and does NOT permit "randomness." Therefore, God not only permits such inexplicable maladies and suffering, but
it is also his design and intent.
We are now left with the question as to whether or not God is good.
With the ability to create any utterly completely Utopian universe God desires, he chose to create one in which most suffer and all suffer on a frequent
basis.
Now, how does one conclude that God is good?
This is just a thought of mine and certainly can not be proved (or disproved) in any way.
I think it was Christopher Hitchens who said, "That which can be asserted without evidence , can be dismissed without evidence."
Harley
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Dear Harley,
I believe in a creator simply because it's hard for me to believe that all of this around us just happened purely by chance. That the universe somehow always existed and through a random concussions of molecules evolve to what we have today.
I, too, have struggled mightily with the thoughts you expressed and believe that the bad in this world far outweighs the good. That's why I never had kids (though I was always willing to adopt) and what ended my marriage.
So, to me, a far more interesting question is not whether or not a God exist, but is he good?
I agree.. i also still believe we are being visited by other Beings. Look at ancient art work they depict men in space type suits. I think this is what has evolved into our thinking there is a God.
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can´t be ignored...
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Its like when people say prayers for victims of disasters, God has made it perfectly clear he doesnt give a fuck about the victims already, what do they think prayers are going to do?
They're obviously going to make God reconsider His perfect, eternal Plan.
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I agree.. i also still believe we are being visited by other Beings. Look at ancient art work they depict men in space type suits. I think this is what has evolved into our thinking there is a God.
Brain's firing on all three cells today, eh, Don?
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Question on Diet: I am a huge Diet Coke drinker. I am confronted by opposing views on whether or not you can get in shape while still drinking
Diet Coke.
Many "gurus" have told me that there is nothing in Diet Coke (there is no real sugar) that would prevent you from ridding yourself
of body fat and putting on muscle. The only thing they would advise is to cut it out 10 days before a show just in case it could cause
bloating of the stomach from the gas.
In all my research and experience, I can find no scientific reason why consumption of Diet Coke (maybe 2 a day) would impede fat loss.
Just as a side note, the Gracie Family absolutely despises the consumption of all soda so anytime I am with Royler, Royce, or any of them,
I always order Diet Coke and watch their reaction.
May I trouble you for your opinion please.
Harley
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Question on Diet: I am a huge Diet Coke drinker. I am confronted by opposing views on whether or not you can get in shape while still drinking
Diet Coke.
Many "gurus" have told me that there is nothing in Diet Coke (there is no real sugar) that would prevent you from ridding yourself
of body fat and putting on muscle. The only thing they would advise is to cut it out 10 days before a show just in case it could cause
bloating of the stomach from the gas.
In all my research and experience, I can find no scientific reason why consumption of Diet Coke (maybe 2 a day) would impede fat loss.
Just as a side note, the Gracie Family absolutely despises the consumption of all soda so anytime I am with Royler, Royce, or any of them,
I always order Diet Coke and watch their reaction.
May I trouble you for your opinion please.
Harley
No idea about contest prep, but there is absolutely NOTHING in DC to derail a diet, or your health. Even if you're a lab mouse.
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Brain's firing on all three cells today, eh, Don?
complex subject which i would not expect you to understand. Read the material then say your opinion.
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complex subject which i would not expect you to understand. Read the material then say your opinion.
Ya ought not fool with complex, Otis.
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Harley, something I meant to say last week that will lead you to find pictures similar to the ones herne posts...
If you go to google and enter a few words describing things you like, then click 'images', it will call page after page of images. When you see an image you want to investigate, right-click it and 'open in hew tab'. You can find endless stuff that's great. (If you discover you're uninterested in a particular image after opening it in another tab, just remember to close it by x-ing out of it so you won't get overwhelmed with tabs.)
But way too many traps (trannies), everywhere. I didn't realize just how many. Use with caution.
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Wild Cherry Coke Zero.
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Wild Cherry Coke Zero.
;D love this guy
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Diet Coke is fine when dieting.............used it and got down to 4.5 % bodyfat.
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Diet Coke is fine when dieting.............used it and got down to 4.5 % bodyfat.
YEAH REALLY CRYSTAL LIGHT TOO..
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YEAH REALLY CRYSTAL LIGHT TOO..
Yup,i use that too at times.........you get sick of plain water.
There`s nothing in either item that inhibits fat loss......unless you are having pizza with the Diet Coke! ;D
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Yup,i use that too at times.........you get sick of plain water.
There`s nothing in either item that inhibits fat loss.
never drunk it but good tips guys
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Hey Guys,
It's funny you mention Cherry Coke Zero (no sugar) as I love that too.
Many years ago, a doctor finally diagnosed my GI problems stemming from too much Crystal Light. Then, after that,
Crystal Light changed their internal sweetener to what I believe is Splenda. The difference to my health was night and day.
In the 90's (maybe even in the 80's), every bodybuilder was drinking Crystal Light. I remember the Fruit Punch flavor would stain the
black paint on a fresh Cadillac. I could only imagine what it did to my insides.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
It's funny you mention Cherry Coke Zero (no sugar) as I love that too.
Many years ago, a doctor finally diagnosed my GI problems stemming from too much Crystal Light. Then, after that,
Crystal Light changed their internal sweetener to what I believe is Splenda. The difference to my health was night and day.
In the 90's (maybe even in the 80's), every bodybuilder was drinking Crystal Light. I remember the Fruit Punch flavor would stain the
black paint on a fresh Cadillac. I could only imagine what it did to my insides.
Harley
I have to be careful with crystal light/new mio water beverage enhancers'you squirt into water'they taste ok...I get a hazy reaction in my head not a headache but a weird sensation 'foggy'weird,i used to the gallon water with crystal light back in the day too..
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I was a Crystal Light fanatic.......not so much these days.
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Diet Coke is fine when dieting.............used it and got down to 4.5 % bodyfat.
I believe Flex Wheeler was measured at a lower percentage. I think...
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I believe Flex Wheeler was measured at a lower percentage. I think...
;D
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I was a Crystal Light fanatic.......not so much these days.
x2
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Don't you guys hate it when you are out eating somewhere or even just in a place but not eating and someone you know walks up and says, "Hey
what are you doing here, you can't eat this food?"
This happens to Craig all the time as he just stands in line with his family in McDonalds just there to buy them food but not eat it himself.
One time, a fat guy who always hassles Craig came up to him at McDonalds and said that and Craig responded, "No, YOU can't eat here. I have abs.
I can eat here."
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Don't you guys hate it when you are out eating somewhere or even just in a place but not eating and someone you know walks up and says, "Hey
what are you doing here, you can't eat this food?"
This happens to Craig all the time as he just stands in line with his family in McDonalds just there to buy them food but not eat it himself.
One time, a fat guy who always hassles Craig came up to him at McDonalds and said that and Craig responded, "No, YOU can't eat here. I have abs.
I can eat here."
You can eat anything as long as you dont eat too much of it.
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Don't you guys hate it when you are out eating somewhere or even just in a place but not eating and someone you know walks up and says, "Hey
what are you doing here, you can't eat this food?"
This happens to Craig all the time as he just stands in line with his family in McDonalds just there to buy them food but not eat it himself.
One time, a fat guy who always hassles Craig came up to him at McDonalds and said that and Craig responded, "No, YOU can't eat here. I have abs.
I can eat here."
LOL
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Don't you guys hate it when you are out eating somewhere or even just in a place but not eating and someone you know walks up and says, "Hey
what are you doing here, you can't eat this food?"
This happens to Craig all the time as he just stands in line with his family in McDonalds just there to buy them food but not eat it himself.
One time, a fat guy who always hassles Craig came up to him at McDonalds and said that and Craig responded, "No, YOU can't eat here. I have abs.
I can eat here."
Nice owning.
;D
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You can eat anything as long as you dont eat too much of it.
so what would you suggest? your comment is very relative in that you don´t state what type of food(s)
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Don't you guys hate it when you are out eating somewhere or even just in a place but not eating and someone you know walks up and says, "Hey
what are you doing here, you can't eat this food?"
This happens to Craig all the time as he just stands in line with his family in McDonalds just there to buy them food but not eat it himself.
One time, a fat guy who always hassles Craig came up to him at McDonalds and said that and Craig responded, "No, YOU can't eat here. I have abs.
I can eat here."
I always lift up my shirt and dazzle them with an ab/serratus/intercostal shot.........this usually does the trick!! LOL ;D
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You can eat anything as long as you dont eat too much of it.
Adonis ???
Is that you ???
;D
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I love when I have to bring my food with me in public and someone sees me eating cold food out of a plastic Tupperware and they say, "Hey, that
looks pretty good." I always politely say, "Well, let me ask you 2 questions: What did you eat today? and Why don't you eat this 5 times a day and then after
just a week, let me know how "good" that looks?"
I do it politely but it does set the point.
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I love when I have to bring my food with me in public and someone sees me eating cold food out of a plastic Tupperware and they say, "Hey, that
looks pretty good." I always politely say, "Well, let me ask you 2 questions: What did you eat today? and Why don't you eat this 5 times a day and then after
just a week, let me know how "good" that looks?"
I do it politely but it does set the point.
I`ve done that also,usually to a fatty who asks me why I`m eating cold chicken breast and a cold baked potato with rice cakes...........while they eat a mayo loaded sub.
They could never possibly understand.
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so what would you suggest? your comment is very relative in that you don´t state what type of food(s)
"Anything" covers pretty much everything, dummy. Not relative at all.
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"Anything" covers pretty much everything, dummy. Not relative at all.
so explain what he means and what food sources and in which quantity. i am all ears.
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so explain what he means and what food sources and in which quantity. i am all ears.
too much
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too much
give it in detail. A weekly diet with your ideas.
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I probably was the leanest I ever got while drinking at least 1 gallon of diet coke per day. I craved it so bad I couldn't sleep. mind you I was only eating 1100 calories per day at the time. (1990)
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give it in detail. A weekly diet with your ideas.
I will list it alongside all the information you have given to assist others on this forum.
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I don't know how many calories I am consuming but it can't be much. Craig made my diet and will adjust it as we go along depending on my
success/failure.
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I think we can all agree on just one thing: There is a difference between losing weight (mere pounds) and losing weight while adding muscle or muscle tone.
You could lose 30 pounds eating Doritos or eating chicken breast but you won't look the same.
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what would you deem as healthy fat? if at all ? what is the effect on the internal organs. How much fat is in your body now and how do you test it?(Blood test) no you can´t just eat anything..a calorie is a calorie but the effects on your body are dynamic.
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I think we can all agree on just one thing: There is a difference between losing weight (mere pounds) and losing weight while adding muscle or muscle tone.
You could lose 30 pounds eating Doritos or eating chicken breast but you won't look the same.
yes you won´t look the same
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2015 Mr. Olympia: My Question for Vince G
Hey Guys,
I fully understand that the Venerable Vince G has been on GetBig far longer than I could ever hope to be and that he has long provided "inside" information
but I myself, am getting just a bit tired of his prognostications.
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but my memory of my interaction with Vince regarding Kai Green "Pre-Olympia" went something like this:
Vince- Kai is going down to Florida ( real news breaker as if no one watches Kai on his own social media). Kai has good advisors. Kai is a good business man
and knows what he is doing. Kai doesn't need to compete in the Mr. Olympia.
Harley- Kai must compete in the Mr. Olympia if he has any sense of business. No one but a fool would miss the sport's biggest event at which to launch their own
brand new supplement line. Also, he isn't making his MHP- $40-$44K per month so each month he doesn't sign with a company or sell his "product" (no, not what is under
the white towel) he is actually losing big money (Vince responded with $40 K is NOT big money to Kai). I also noted that any financial investor would want to kill Kai if he
failed to launch the product at the Mr. O. Also, the prize money for at least 2nd Place is nothing to sneeze at.
Well, low and behold what happened? Kai, in his infinite selfishness and egocentric manner, refused to sign the IFBB contract despite Robin Chang extending the deadline
several times. Remind me later to discuss my private conversation with Robin. Are you aware that he was attempting to negotiate a big booth at the Expo FREE OF CHARGE and
he didn't even want to pay the Union fees? Let me tell you from personal business experience in Las Vegas, you WILL pay all Union "fees and costs" or your stuff is stuck sitting in a factory
driveway and "can't be located at this time." Who the hell is Kai to dictate business practices that are required for everyone else? His sense of entitlement has made him the most difficult person
in all of bodybuilding with whom to deal. His investors have to be furious!!! It's your company, your face and you aren't there??? Forget that Phil Heath was off and perhaps this was the time
for Kai to win the Mr. O and the $400K. If you invested in a brand solely based on the face of the brand (no one here actually thinks that Kai Greene has created a new supplement that actually
works and has never been discovered before) and that face never showed up, you would kill him.
Imagine that you invest your money in Dale Earnhardt and he doesn't bother to show up to race at the Indy 500. Is that smart business? And remember, the market for bodybuilding
products which Kai can effectively move is smaller than the market for NASCAR. Kai needed the Mr. Olympia, the Mr. Olympia did not need Kai.
So, the Venerable Vince G is now left to defend his position that Kai not actually competing is GOOD business for his brand new line.
Harley
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Mr. Breite: I was wrongly accused yesterday of posting family pictures of a getbig member on the boards. It led to me being banned until 5 minutes ago. Should we sue him for slander?
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Mr. Breite: I was wrongly accused yesterday of posting family pictures of a getbig member on the boards. It led to me being banned until 5 minutes ago. Should we sue him for slander?
Dear Potatank,
Given that slander is the oral defamation of character, I am not sure that civil charge would apply here.
Harley
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Dear Potatank,
Given that slander is the oral defamation of character, I am not sure that civil charge would apply here.
Harley
:( :( :( then I may need rep when I beat him up >:( :D
youre a good guy Harley :)
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I am always here to give legal advice to fellow GetBiggers if I can.
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:( :( :( then I may need rep when I beat him up >:( :D
youre a good guy Harley :)
lål
Harley thats a pretty good post about kai..vikce just likes to pretend he is in the know
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lål
Harley thats a pretty good post about kai..vikce just likes to pretend he is in the know
Dear Kim Jong Bob,
Thank you. Vince G took me on so I thought now I would respond given that the facts are now public.
I didn't mean to challenge one of your beloved guys but I just sensed something in the tone in which he wrote to me.
Harley
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
Thank you. Vince G took me on so I thought now I would respond given that the facts are now public.
I didn't mean to challenge one of your beloved guys but I just sensed something in the tone in which he wrote to me.
Harley
Beloved isn't the correct term to describe Vince. Scorned, ridiculed and openly mocked are more appropriate.
Although with a little humility that could change, but in reality Vince trolls the board.
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Beloved isn't the correct term to describe Vince. Scorned, ridiculed and openly mocked are more appropriate.
Although with a little humility that could change, but in reality Vince trolls the board.
shut up let him speak
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shut up let him speak
Donny, are there things?
Goodrum has read this thread 100x by now, he loves the attention. As soon as he figures out a response where he can own himself he will respond.
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Donny, are there things?
Goodrum has read this thread 100x by now, he loves the attention. As soon as he figures out a response where he can own himself he will respond.
OK no problem
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2015 Mr. Olympia: My Question for Vince G
Hey Guys,
I fully understand that the Venerable Vince G has been on GetBig far longer than I could ever hope to be and that he has long provided "inside" information
but I myself, am getting just a bit tired of his prognostications.
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but my memory of my interaction with Vince regarding Kai Green "Pre-Olympia" went something like this:
Vince- Kai is going down to Florida ( real news breaker as if no one watches Kai on his own social media). Kai has good advisors. Kai is a good business man
and knows what he is doing. Kai doesn't need to compete in the Mr. Olympia.
Harley- Kai must compete in the Mr. Olympia if he has any sense of business. No one but a fool would miss the sport's biggest event at which to launch their own
brand new supplement line. Also, he isn't making his MHP- $40-$44K per month so each month he doesn't sign with a company or sell his "product" (no, not what is under
the white towel) he is actually losing big money (Vince responded with $40 K is NOT big money to Kai). I also noted that any financial investor would want to kill Kai if he
failed to launch the product at the Mr. O. Also, the prize money for at least 2nd Place is nothing to sneeze at.
Well, low and behold what happened? Kai, in his infinite selfishness and egocentric manner, refused to sign the IFBB contract despite Robin Chang extending the deadline
several times. Remind me later to discuss my private conversation with Robin. Are you aware that he was attempting to negotiate a big booth at the Expo FREE OF CHARGE and
he didn't even want to pay the Union fees? Let me tell you from personal business experience in Las Vegas, you WILL pay all Union "fees and costs" or your stuff is stuck sitting in a factory
driveway and "can't be located at this time." Who the hell is Kai to dictate business practices that are required for everyone else? His sense of entitlement has made him the most difficult person
in all of bodybuilding with whom to deal. His investors have to be furious!!! It's your company, your face and you aren't there??? Forget that Phil Heath was off and perhaps this was the time
for Kai to win the Mr. O and the $400K. If you invested in a brand solely based on the face of the brand (no one here actually thinks that Kai Greene has created a new supplement that actually
works and has never been discovered before) and that face never showed up, you would kill him.
Imagine that you invest your money in Dale Earnhardt and he doesn't bother to show up to race at the Indy 500. Is that smart business? And remember, the market for bodybuilding
products which Kai can effectively move is smaller than the market for NASCAR. Kai needed the Mr. Olympia, the Mr. Olympia did not need Kai.
So, the Venerable Vince G is now left to defend his position that Kai not actually competing is GOOD business for his brand new line.
Harley
Kai doesn't need to compete in the Mr Olympia because he's saved his money wisely. However, I cannot answer as to the reason he did not compete or the circumstances. Your guess is good as mine. All of that stuff regarding a booth is just speculation....even Robin Chang did not comment on the matter. I will say that Kai made the same amount of money this weekend as Craig Richardson who didn't earn one red cent with his placing in the 212.
Dynamic Muscle is going to be a highly successful company and its one that will support Kai's lifestyle after he retires.
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2015 Mr. Olympia: My Question for Vince G
Hey Guys,
I fully understand that the Venerable Vince G has been on GetBig far longer than I could ever hope to be and that he has long provided "inside" information
but I myself, am getting just a bit tired of his prognostications.
I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but my memory of my interaction with Vince regarding Kai Green "Pre-Olympia" went something like this:
Vince- Kai is going down to Florida ( real news breaker as if no one watches Kai on his own social media). Kai has good advisors. Kai is a good business man
and knows what he is doing. Kai doesn't need to compete in the Mr. Olympia.
Harley- Kai must compete in the Mr. Olympia if he has any sense of business. No one but a fool would miss the sport's biggest event at which to launch their own
brand new supplement line. Also, he isn't making his MHP- $40-$44K per month so each month he doesn't sign with a company or sell his "product" (no, not what is under
the white towel) he is actually losing big money (Vince responded with $40 K is NOT big money to Kai). I also noted that any financial investor would want to kill Kai if he
failed to launch the product at the Mr. O. Also, the prize money for at least 2nd Place is nothing to sneeze at.
Well, low and behold what happened? Kai, in his infinite selfishness and egocentric manner, refused to sign the IFBB contract despite Robin Chang extending the deadline
several times. Remind me later to discuss my private conversation with Robin. Are you aware that he was attempting to negotiate a big booth at the Expo FREE OF CHARGE and
he didn't even want to pay the Union fees? Let me tell you from personal business experience in Las Vegas, you WILL pay all Union "fees and costs" or your stuff is stuck sitting in a factory
driveway and "can't be located at this time." Who the hell is Kai to dictate business practices that are required for everyone else? His sense of entitlement has made him the most difficult person
in all of bodybuilding with whom to deal. His investors have to be furious!!! It's your company, your face and you aren't there??? Forget that Phil Heath was off and perhaps this was the time
for Kai to win the Mr. O and the $400K. If you invested in a brand solely based on the face of the brand (no one here actually thinks that Kai Greene has created a new supplement that actually
works and has never been discovered before) and that face never showed up, you would kill him.
Imagine that you invest your money in Dale Earnhardt and he doesn't bother to show up to race at the Indy 500. Is that smart business? And remember, the market for bodybuilding
products which Kai can effectively move is smaller than the market for NASCAR. Kai needed the Mr. Olympia, the Mr. Olympia did not need Kai.
So, the Venerable Vince G is now left to defend his position that Kai not actually competing is GOOD business for his brand new line.
Harley
Harley - Does it make you feel better to score debating points against someone like Vince who is obviously intellectually challenged and somewhat "off"? Who's next on your list? Jason Genova? I realize that open-admissions schools like Rutgers, New York Law School and Temple may have left you feeling somewhat educationally inadequate but picking on a guy with "issues" isn't cool. I respect the work you do with the retards but I hope you aren't verbally humiliating them when the camera is turned off. I don't see why you feel it's acceptable to do so to Vince.
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Kai doesn't need to compete in the Mr Olympia because he's saved his money wisely. However, I cannot answer as to the reason he did not compete or the circumstances. Your guess is good as mine. All of that stuff regarding a booth is just speculation....even Robin Chang did not comment on the matter. I will say that Kai made the same amount of money this weekend as Craig Richardson who didn't earn one red cent with his placing in the 212.
Dynamic Muscle is going to be a highly successful company and its one that will support Kai's lifestyle after he retires.
How would you possibly know how anyone, let alone Kai has done with their money? No one in their right mind would share this info with the likes of you.
Melvin, stop pulling facts out of your Melvin.
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Dear Pellius,
It's nice to hear from you again.
Oh, I don't claim to have copyright to misfortune and I, like so many others, have trouble reconciling how a God could permit
such massive tragedy.
Your question as to whether or not God is good is interesting given your aforementioned opinion that the universe is not random.
Might I offer this: If, as you believe the universe is NOT random AND God DOES exist, then God, by virtue of his omnipotence, is NOT
and does NOT permit "randomness." Therefore, God not only permits such inexplicable maladies and suffering, but
it is also his design and intent.
We are now left with the question as to whether or not God is good.
With the ability to create any utterly completely Utopian universe God desires, he chose to create one in which most suffer and all suffer on a frequent
basis.
Now, how does one conclude that God is good?
This is just a thought of mine and certainly can not be proved (or disproved) in any way.
I think it was Christopher Hitchens who said, "That which can be asserted without evidence , can be dismissed without evidence."
Harley
Oh no, I believe that things are very random. So much of life happens purely by chance. Being born in the U.S. and being born in Dafur will make much more a difference in your life than how intelligent or physically gifted you are -- which in itself happens purely by chance. A boy about a week ago got hit by a car dead on killing him on the spot. It was a road that is usually deserted and rarely has any traffic. When I think about the chances, all the events that had to have taken place, for that boy to be at that exact spot at the exact time that one car was passing... I mean, you couldn't plan it even it you wanted to. We're talking about maybe a three second window.
On the other hand, if while exploring the planet Mars we had come across a calculator or a time piece or a sharp tool of some sort, nobody would believe that it had happened by chance. There's a difference between random chance events that happen within the hodge podge and interaction of existing matter and other existing events; and creation. Hell, I just stepped on a damn piece of gum yesterday walking from my truck to the grocery store. I mean, the parking lot is so damn huge that I thought about what the chances are for my foot to step on the exact same spot as that stinking piece of gum. And it's not like the parking lot is littered with gum. Yet when the ear bud came off and dropped to the ground while I was taking off my head phones in the gym I couldn't find the damn thing. I kept saying to myself, "How far could that little fucker be from where I am?" I never found it but I'm sure someone will randomly step on it.
But who created that gum or ear bud -- who created the matter and events that continue to torment me? That's another question.
To permit something, i.e., to allow someone to make their own decisions, does not mean it was your design and intent. Even if you created that something. I mean, I don't think my father should be held accountable for my behavior though I believe he played a great role on the type of person I've become.
But in the case of God, though man can choose evil through the exercise of his free will and be held accountable for it, I'm not sure if it relieves God of the responsibility. After all, if God created everything, and he is omniscience, he already knew what you would choose anyway. It's sort of like watching a movies. The characters being portrayed don't know how things will turn out but their lives and fate has already been played out. It's just a matter of going through the motions.
So though God had warned Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit from the tree of conscious and gave them the free will to make that decision. He already knew what they would do and all that would follow.
I believe I will have my day of judgment and have to account for things I did and should not have done. For things that I didn't do that I should have done.
But I won't be the only one.
“Then, having thus made the Creator responsible for all those pains and diseases and miseries above enumerated, and which he could have prevented, the gifted Christian blandly calls him Our Father!"
― Mark Twain, Letters from the Earth: Uncensored Writings
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Kai doesn't need to compete in the Mr Olympia because he's saved his money wisely. However, I cannot answer as to the reason he did not compete or the circumstances. Your guess is good as mine. All of that stuff regarding a booth is just speculation....even Robin Chang did not comment on the matter. I will say that Kai made the same amount of money this weekend as Craig Richardson who didn't earn one red cent with his placing in the 212.
Dynamic Muscle is going to be a highly successful company and its one that will support Kai's lifestyle after he retires.
Vince,
Your response is non-responsive, evasive and idiotic.
Any respect I may have had for you disappeared when you took a cheap shot at Craig. He had nothing to do with my comments towards your opinions.
At least Craig Richardson had the guts and determination to see all his work and diet through to the end and get up on stage and compete. He did not fail or lose. He competed
which is something Kai didn't even have the guts to do. Maybe you are someone who doesn't understand that winning is seldom determined by the actual outcome of an event, but
rather, by the person actually showing up and giving it his best. We all lose, but he who at least tries, doesn't fail.
Taking a cheap shot at my friend, who has nothing to do with this, makes me find you both pathetic and cowardice.
I won't have anything further to say about you.
Harley
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Harley - Does it make you feel better to score debating points against someone like Vince who is obviously intellectually challenged and somewhat "off"? Who's next on your list? Jason Genova? I realize that open-admissions schools like Rutgers, New York Law School and Temple may have left you feeling somewhat educationally inadequate but picking on a guy with "issues" isn't cool. I respect the work you do with the retards but I hope you aren't verbally humiliating them when the camera is turned off. I don't see why you feel it's acceptable to do so to Vince.
Hey Olympia Gym,
Those with opposable digits and the cranial capacity to feel sympathy, don't use the word "retards."
Your comments are offensive and insultingly misplaced.
I don't ever talk about my education and have never bragged about any university I attended.
Harley
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Vince,
Your response is non-responsive, evasive and idiotic.
Any respect I may have had for you disappeared when you took a cheap shot at Craig. He had nothing to do with my comments towards your opinions.
At least Craig Richardson had the guts and determination to see all his work and diet through to the end and get up on stage and compete. He did not fail or lose. He competed
which is something Kai didn't even have the guts to do. Maybe you are someone who doesn't understand that winning is seldom determined by the actual outcome of an event, but
rather, by the person actually showing up and giving it his best. We all lose, but he who at least tries, doesn't fail.
Taking a cheap shot at my friend, who has nothing to do with this, makes me find you both pathetic and cowardice.
I won't have anything further to say about you.
Harley
Harley, I think Vince is just mad at you because you have taken over his place on getbig.
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Harley - Does it make you feel better to score debating points against someone like Vince who is obviously intellectually challenged and somewhat "off"? Who's next on your list? Jason Genova? I realize that open-admissions schools like Rutgers, New York Law School and Temple may have left you feeling somewhat educationally inadequate but picking on a guy with "issues" isn't cool. I respect the work you do with the retards but I hope you aren't verbally humiliating them when the camera is turned off. I don't see why you feel it's acceptable to do so to Vince.
Rutgers and Temple are both excellent schools.
Dont know much about NY Law School.
Anyway, clearly the university that Harley attended has had no influence on his job performance, as he is quite successful in his line of work. After years and years of experience, no one cares where you went to school. They only care what outcomes you have produced in the actual field.
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Dear Pellius,
All those who question will continue to ponder "The Big Questions."
I hope you don't feel too much "guilt" and worry excessively when the time comes for your "judgment."
If you are correct, your God will have enough mercy and understanding to know that he created a terribly flawed species yet
so many have done so much for so many others that the venial sins of us all must be ignored.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
As to Vince, this GetBig is plenty big to house the opinions of everyone who wishes to post. Vince, nor anyone else, should feel
threatened by any other poster.
As to the schools I went to, you are correct, who cares?
I went to Rutgers College- Yes, I was accepted to other very good schools (UCAL at Berkeley, Brandeis, William & Mary) but there
were reasons I didn't go there. I would say that today, Rutgers College, New Brunswick is a better State School than most of these $40K per year private schools that no one out of
this country has ever heard of yet today's kids feel a sense of entitlement to rob their own parents of any possible early retirement just so they can go away to private school. Do any
of my clients care what undergraduate school I attended- no.
As to New York Law School, it is a third tier, dump of a law school. I hated it and wouldn't lift a finger to save it. My attitude was "C=JD" and I couldn't care less about making
Law Review or sucking up to some professor to land a great summer job. I finished at the bottom of my class and yet, I've tried more Murder Cases, including Death Penalty cases and make
more money than any of the professors there who told me to quit after my first year. Do any of my clients care where I earned my JD- no.
As to Temple University Law School- I earned an LL.M (Master of Laws) in Trial Advocacy and their trial program is actually the best in the country. How did I get accepted you ask?
I wrote on the application that I was Cuban and wanted to learn trials so I could open a clinic in the ghetto and help other Hispanics. I was accepted and graduated. Do any of my clients care
where I earned my LL.M.- no.
As to the Rutgers Graduate School of Criminal Justice- I directly entered their Ph.D. program which happens to be the highest ranked CJ Ph.D. program in the country. Did I care about that?
No. It was close enough to my home so that I could both take care of my Mom and commute (I commuted to New Brunswick for 5 years, NY for 3 years, Philadelphia for 1 year and Newark for
3 years). Do any of my clients care about my time at Rutgers- no.
I don't think much of formal education but it was a means to a necessary end for me. I have long been a proponent of Home Schooling long before Khan Academy came along and proved my point.
Harley
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Harley how much weight does craig usually go up the first weeks after a comp?
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Harley - Does it make you feel better to score debating points against someone like Vince who is obviously intellectually challenged and somewhat "off"? Who's next on your list? Jason Genova? I realize that open-admissions schools like Rutgers, New York Law School and Temple may have left you feeling somewhat educationally inadequate but picking on a guy with "issues" isn't cool. I respect the work you do with the retards but I hope you aren't verbally humiliating them when the camera is turned off. I don't see why you feel it's acceptable to do so to Vince.
Olympia you are a Dick! Taking shots at Vince, Harley and kids with disabilities in one post. Harley gives out free legal advice to anyone that needs it. That in itself is unheard of in this day and age. Not to mention that he is just a quality human being, which is obvious just by reading a couple pages of this thread.
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Harley how much weight does craig usually go up the first weeks after a comp?
Dear Kim Jong Bob,
That is a very interesting question you pose as over the years, Craig has had to change the way he does business after a show.
In years past, Craig would get as heavy as he could (232-238 roughly, some years even higher) and then diet down for a show ending up at around
210 pounds, provided his metabolism didn't go nuts the last few days and wither him down to 205.
Then, after a show, he would gain 15 pounds within 2-3 days. Then he would gain a bit more within a few more days. I remember one time, about less than
a week after a show, he swelled up so much he couldn't take off his own shoes. Even his tiny ankles were swollen.
A few years back, he was so dehydrated after the Mr. Olympia, that he found himself in a hospital with a scare to his heart. He was fine after some IV and a few
medications.
Consequently, he will never allow himself to drop too much weight too fast and then gain too much back too fast.
Craig always believed that the best time to put on "quality muscle" was immediately after a show when your body is completely depleted. Begin by eating very good food
and taking in enough protein and he feels you can really add on the type of muscle we all desire.
Now, Craig competed last week at 210 pounds. Today he is 220 pounds, still a bit depleted but filled with Gatorade.
I hope this was helpful.
Harley
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Vince,
Your response is non-responsive, evasive and idiotic.
Any respect I may have had for you disappeared when you took a cheap shot at Craig. He had nothing to do with my comments towards your opinions.
At least Craig Richardson had the guts and determination to see all his work and diet through to the end and get up on stage and compete. He did not fail or lose. He competed
which is something Kai didn't even have the guts to do. Maybe you are someone who doesn't understand that winning is seldom determined by the actual outcome of an event, but
rather, by the person actually showing up and giving it his best. We all lose, but he who at least tries, doesn't fail.
Taking a cheap shot at my friend, who has nothing to do with this, makes me find you both pathetic and cowardice.
I won't have anything further to say about you.
Harley
Its not a cheap shot....its just the facts and you made the decision to call me out despite the fact that I don't follow along with the thread. You were the one that made a cheap shot stating that Kai Greene didn't have the guts to compete which is ridiculous since he's been competing since 1994. Craig Richardson did lose as he won NO MONEY THAT WEEKEND. He needs to stick to the smaller shows where he has somewhat of a chance rather than throwing away his money on a contest that he had no chance of winning.
We still ....well you don't know the circumstances of Kai not competing but once it comes out, you'll feel real stupid for insulting someone who...unlike your friend Craig, could actually win the top prize in a bodybuilding contest.
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I smell a pose down brewing.
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
That is a very interesting question you pose as over the years, Craig has had to change the way he does business after a show.
In years past, Craig would get as heavy as he could (232-238 roughly, some years even higher) and then diet down for a show ending up at around
210 pounds, provided his metabolism didn't go nuts the last few days and wither him down to 205.
Then, after a show, he would gain 15 pounds within 2-3 days. Then he would gain a bit more within a few more days. I remember one time, about less than
a week after a show, he swelled up so much he couldn't take off his own shoes. Even his tiny ankles were swollen.
A few years back, he was so dehydrated after the Mr. Olympia, that he found himself in a hospital with a scare to his heart. He was fine after some IV and a few
medications.
Consequently, he will never allow himself to drop too much weight too fast and then gain too much back too fast.
Craig always believed that the best time to put on "quality muscle" was immediately after a show when your body is completely depleted. Begin by eating very good food
and taking in enough protein and he feels you can really add on the type of muscle we all desire.
Now, Craig competed last week at 210 pounds. Today he is 220 pounds, still a bit depleted but filled with Gatorade.
I hope this was helpful.
Harley
CRAIG'S issue based on what I know and or read over the yrs and from people ,great build without question,but the guy had insane metabolism and couldn't gain weight and or size other were doing,he still presented a great stage build around that major props,always liked his look same for galanti sick stage build but fought and fought for few more lbs to get bigger ..drugs and more drugs sometimes doesn't equate to bigger bber,,know what your dealing it 'genetically'and go with it win or lose..
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Its not a cheap shot....its just the facts and you made the decision to call me out despite the fact that I don't follow along with the thread.
I didn't call you out. I responded to your last comments to me. If you "don't follow along with this thread" then how did you even get to read my last response? Try to be honest.
You were the one that made a cheap shot stating that Kai Greene didn't have the guts to compete which is ridiculous since he's been competing since 1994.
When it came time for Kai to put up or shut up (on stage), he failed to show up. He is someone who certainly doesn't want to be judged by what he did in the past. In fact, he
seems to be trying to make a new run of it all, except for not having any business acumen whatsoever.
Craig Richardson did lose as he won NO MONEY THAT WEEKEND.
Another sign of your myopic and pathetic existence. You measure wining in terms of financial reward. I feel sorry for people like you. You will never understand.
He needs to stick to the smaller shows where he has somewhat of a chance rather than throwing away his money on a contest that he had no chance of winning.
So just send in your application to "I Want To Manage Craig Richardson" and I will make sure he thoroughly reviews it. I don't know where you will find the time as you
keep implying that you are close to Kai yet there is no reason to believe such thing is even remotely true. And again, your concept of "winning" is completely devoid of the feeling
of redemption, personal gain, seeing your own determination bring you to a place where most others, and perhaps even yourself, doubted you could arrive.
We still ....well you don't know the circumstances of Kai not competing
Again, you write as if you have some special inside information yet you offer nothing novel or timely. Keep following his social media and be one of his fans.
but once it comes out, you'll feel real stupid for insulting someone who...unlike your friend Craig, could actually win the top prize in a bodybuilding contest.
As if the "top prize in bodybuilding" means everything to everyone. Craig has no illusions about winning the Mr. O or the 212 Mr. O. He competes for himself.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Vince, than are dreamt up in your philosophy that winning the Mr. Olympia is the only true measure of winning.
Harley
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Harley
Don't pay attention to Vince
He is confused the majority of the time and just not with it
He won't be around on here much longer so just bear with him for a bit
The rest of us truly appreciate having you on here and the fact that you actually are an insider and are allowed to talk with the bodybuilders and go to the events
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Hey Guys,
I feel better now. I went to train BJJ after my first session of cardio and I asked my Professor if we could do some really kool, damaging moves.
That type of thing always adds fun and incentive to the training. The beauty of BJJ is that it is a gentleman's art and no one needs to get hurt while training.
I had one person send me quite a few PMs stating how BJJ is NOT the ultimate martial art and that he would be willing to prove it to me anytime.
I NEVER said that any particular martial art was the best. In fact, I never challenged anyone here to a fight or to prove such a ridiculous point. I think whatever
someone is training is great, as long as they like it. I love Muay Thai and BJJ. They are my favorite but I certainly don't espouse them as the best or the ultimate.
I just enjoy training and sometimes competing to keep myself sure that I can fulfill my goals.
I shall continue to update you on my Mr. Olympia Weekend Observations.
Harley
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Harley
The rest of us truly appreciate having you on here and the fact that you actually are an insider and are allowed to talk with the bodybuilders and go to the events
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
That is a very interesting question you pose as over the years, Craig has had to change the way he does business after a show.
In years past, Craig would get as heavy as he could (232-238 roughly, some years even higher) and then diet down for a show ending up at around
210 pounds, provided his metabolism didn't go nuts the last few days and wither him down to 205.
Then, after a show, he would gain 15 pounds within 2-3 days. Then he would gain a bit more within a few more days. I remember one time, about less than
a week after a show, he swelled up so much he couldn't take off his own shoes. Even his tiny ankles were swollen.
A few years back, he was so dehydrated after the Mr. Olympia, that he found himself in a hospital with a scare to his heart. He was fine after some IV and a few
medications.
Consequently, he will never allow himself to drop too much weight too fast and then gain too much back too fast.
Craig always believed that the best time to put on "quality muscle" was immediately after a show when your body is completely depleted. Begin by eating very good food
and taking in enough protein and he feels you can really add on the type of muscle we all desire.
Now, Craig competed last week at 210 pounds. Today he is 220 pounds, still a bit depleted but filled with Gatorade.
I hope this was helpful.
Harley
cool thanks
A friend of mine ate so much after a comp so 5-8days after he woke up totally numb in his feets and they where blye/purple colored up to his calfs from all the water he gained for several mormings, hus heart was racing to like crazy. I think thats a part of the bodybuilding world not many think about, his doctor said it could be really dangerous to gain so much water so fast. Dont remember how much weigth he gained but it was alot
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HB, this is the legendary VinceG in contest shape. Thread carefully sir- this man knows bodybuilding. And 'no' these pics have not been photoshopped.
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Dear Tommywishbone,
I had no idea that was Vince G.
But let me say this. I am not going to criticize his physique or any other GetBigger's as that is a personal attack for which I don't wish
to engage. Whether or not I was in shape, I still wouldn't insult someone on how they look. I am not in shape and even put it out there so if I
fail, I am really the target for scorn. If someone were to ask for my opinion as to how they look, then I would offer it but to make comments on
someone else is to simply hurt another's feelings and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, even those who attacked my friend Craig below the belt or
attacked my "Harley's Kids." I want to be positive and try to receive your positive thoughts and advice. I really appreciated the opinions regarding my Diet Coke question.
I too, want to give positive energy. I hope that my lifestyle and experiences can find some common thread with those out here on GetBig. I hope that perhaps I can
help people who have a legal question or are struggling with an issue, maybe even offer a friendly note to those who are a bit down trodden or sad. Maybe by
just showing a photo of a car or hot chick, someone smiles for just a second. I think that is a pretty kool gift to give to someone. That, and another private reason, is why
I have a soft spot for Herne even though he doesn't like me. He makes people smile with his photos. That's pretty kool.
Life is so stressful and unnecessarily difficult. I would like to think of GetBig as an oasis from all that; a small island where guys can be guys and we can joke about
other and ourselves and share common interests.
I may have been quite upset by Olympia Gym and Vince G, but I surely wish them nothing but health and peace of mind.
Harley
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Dear Tommywishbone,
I had no idea that was Vince G.
But let me say this. I am not going to criticize his physique or any other GetBigger's as that is a personal attack for which I don't wish
to engage. Whether or not I was in shape, I still wouldn't insult someone on how they look. I am not in shape and even put it out there so if I
fail, I am really the target for scorn. If someone were to ask for my opinion as to how they look, then I would offer it but to make comments on
someone else is to simply hurt another's feelings and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, even those who attacked my friend Craig below the belt or
attacked my "Harley's Kids." I want to be positive and try to receive your positive thoughts and advice. I really appreciated the opinions regarding my Diet Coke question.
I too, want to give positive energy. I hope that my lifestyle and experiences can find some common thread with those out here on GetBig. I hope that perhaps I can
help people who have a legal question or are struggling with an issue, maybe even offer a friendly note to those who are a bit down trodden or sad. Maybe by
just showing a photo of a car or hot chick, someone smiles for just a second. I think that is a pretty kool gift to give to someone. That, and another private reason, is why
I have a soft spot for Herne even though he doesn't like me. He makes people smile with his photos. That's pretty kool.
Life is so stressful and unnecessarily difficult. I would like to think of GetBig as an oasis from all that; a small island where guys can be guys and we can joke about
other and ourselves and share common interests.
I may have been quite upset by Olympia Gym and Vince G, but I surely wish them nothing but health and peace of mind.
Harley
Harley , here is your average getbigger's girlfriend
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Dear Hazbin,
If that is how the "average" GetBigger gets things done, then I must honestly and sadly pronounce that
I am but so far down below, looking up at the "average" GetBigger.
Harley
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Dear Hazbin,
If that is how the "average" GetBigger gets things done, then I must honestly and sadly pronounce that
I am but so far down below, looking up at the "average" GetBigger.
Harley
yup, me too!!
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As if the "top prize in bodybuilding" means everything to everyone. Craig has no illusions about winning the Mr. O or the 212 Mr. O. He competes for himself.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Vince, than are dreamt up in your philosophy that winning the Mr. Olympia is the only true measure of winning.
Harley
Don't give me that metaphysical bullshit. Craig should have stayed out of this show and done something better with his time.....especially when you know you're not going to make a dime. He could have competed in the following Gran Prix shows and made some money and just spent his time at the Olympia and talked to his fans.
Bob Chick qualified for the Olympia twice and he didn't compete because he knew he would place out of the money so he hosted the event and got almost as much as the Top 5 that year. That's smart business
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Don't give me that metaphysical bullshit. Craig should have stayed out of this show and done something better with his time.....especially when you know you're not going to make a dime. He could have competed in the following Gran Prix shows and made some money and just spent his time at the Olympia and talked to his fans.
Bob Chick qualified for the Olympia twice and he didn't compete because he knew he would place out of the money so he hosted the event and got almost as much as the Top 5 that year. That's smart business
You have no fucking idea what he got.
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Don't give me that metaphysical bullshit. Craig should have stayed out of this show and done something better with his time.....especially when you know you're not going to make a dime. He could have competed in the following Gran Prix shows and made some money and just spent his time at the Olympia and talked to his fans.
Bob Chick qualified for the Olympia twice and he didn't compete because he knew he would place out of the money so he hosted the event and got almost as much as the Top 5 that year. That's smart business
You're the most poverty stricken man on getbig. You know nothing of business
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Don't give me that metaphysical bullshit. Craig should have stayed out of this show and done something better with his time.....
Dear Harley
This is the Vince G who is insulting you. Pay him no further attention.
As you can see he is not only light in his loafers but also quite delusional.
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Please don't stick up for Harley by insulting Vince. Harley is a grown man whose wit and wisdom will easily fend off Vince's attacks. And with each further insult of Harley or Craig, Vince merely lowers the esteem in which he is held here, even by those with great compassion and pity for his lot in life. Harley will eventually see that by even the few seconds it takes to reply to Vince is time wasted that could be spent on his charity or answering questions from quality Getbiggers. And now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
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Please don't stick up for Harley by insulting Vince. Harley is a grown man whose wit and wisdom will easily fend off Vince's attacks. And with each further insult of Harley or Craig, Vince merely lowers the esteem in which he is held here, even by those with great compassion and pity for his lot in life. Harley will eventually see that by even the few seconds it takes to reply to Vince is time wasted that could be spent on his charity or answering questions from quality Getbiggers. And now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
Well put!
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I know Pellius will have enjoyed the Shakespearean reference.
Tomorrow I will discuss the pros who wanted to get off the Mr. O stage as fast as possible in order to score some drugs and party.
If that's ok with you guys.
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I know Pellius will have enjoyed the Shakespearean reference.
Tomorrow I will discuss the pros who wanted to get off the Mr. O stage as fast as possible in order to score some drugs and party.
If that's ok with you guys.
Can't we discuss that today? :D
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I know Pellius will have enjoyed the Shakespearean reference.
Tomorrow I will discuss the pros who wanted to get off the Mr. O stage as fast as possible in order to score some drugs and party.
If that's ok with you guys.
can't say i blame them
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Dear Wiggs,
A close friend of mine is battling breast and hip cancer. I promised to be her guest at a football game tonight.
One of the many things we do together is, once a year we go to a game as she is a Giants season ticket holder.
When I first met her, she was the continued victim of domestic violence by an estranged husband who routinely beat her and even broke
her rib during one of her chemotherapy sessions. She still has no hair.
I gave her a "job" going to court with me and she really began to enjoy meeting new people and socializing. I even made a deal
with prosecutors and judges so that she could actually sit at Counsel Table during my murder trials. She sat next to me and some of the most
dangerous "killers" you can imagine and she just loved it. You can see her next to me on one of my YouTube court scenes.
Oddly enough, the doctors got it wrong and she is still alive today.
I just have to go with her despite my love for GetBig.
Please understand.
Harley
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Wow, Bradistani?
The Robin to Herne's Batman? What a compliment to have him post here.
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Don't give me that metaphysical bullshit. Craig should have stayed out of this show and done something better with his time.....especially when you know you're not going to make a dime. He could have competed in the following Gran Prix shows and made some money and just spent his time at the Olympia and talked to his fans.
Bob Chick qualified for the Olympia twice and he didn't compete because he knew he would place out of the money so he hosted the event and got almost as much as the Top 5 that year. That's smart business
Don't most bodybuilders spend most of their career, often all of their career, not making a dime competing in shows? In fact, they have to pay to compete.
How were you able to justify competing and not have done something better with you time? At least Craig has gotten sponsorship deals in his bbing career.
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As if the "top prize in bodybuilding" means everything to everyone. Craig has no illusions about winning the Mr. O or the 212 Mr. O. He competes for himself.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Vince, than are dreamt up in your philosophy that winning the Mr. Olympia is the only true measure of winning.
Harley
A little spice of Hamlet as well.
Love your posts.
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I know Pellius will have enjoyed the Shakespearean reference.
Tomorrow I will discuss the pros who wanted to get off the Mr. O stage as fast as possible in order to score some drugs and party.
If that's ok with you guys.
I must be naive because I find that kind of shocking. They can't give that a rest for a few weeks after the show and just forget about everything before they are back in the cult full steam?
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Oh my goodness.
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Oh my goodness.
Tranny?
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I would not care, sir.
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I would not care, sir.
i would hit it until my pud peeled...
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I would not care, sir.
Yes, as has been said here you are indeed a true man of yore. Men of your stock are desperately needed.
Blessings upon you.
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This pic always makes me smile. Not because of the insult to Melvin but the lengths Keith would go through to get at him.
PIP Big Man.
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Yes, as has been said here you are indeed a true man of yore. Men of your stock are desperately needed.
Blessings upon you.
:D It takes a good man to acknowledge a good man. May all your difficulties be small and may all your successes be huge. Hallelujah.
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VInce obviously feels threatened.
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Harley, so what drugs were these guys chasing then while still on stage at the Mr Olympia contest?
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Is craig sponsored by any company?
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Harley, so what drugs were these guys chasing then while still on stage at the Mr Olympia contest?
Steroids
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2015 Mr. Olympia Report: True Devotion
Immediately after the Finals, a competitor who did not place within the top 8, was asked by a stage crew what he was intending to do now that the show was over.
Remind you, the show has now been over for less than 20 seconds and ALL competitors must attend, at least appear at, the Olympia Gala starting at 11:00 pm.
The Competitor responds, "I'm going to party and look to score some stuff." He was clearly referring to Ecstasy and the stage crewman understood fully well.
The Competitor then asks, "Do you know anybody?" to which the Stage Guy replies, "Yeah, I got a guy."
Now, before you claim that this had to do with steroids, trust me, the LAST thing this Competitor was thinking about was training, drugs or diet (that was obvious from
the way he showed up to compete). This Competitor has a long, public history with drug issues, especially Ecstasy.
What was funny, was as soon as the Stage Guy replied he had a guy, Tricky Jackson had walked over and asked, "What are you doing tonight?" completely unaware
that the other Competitor was setting up a night of partying. Tricky is NOT into that scene.
The Competitor, notorious for also showing up late to photo shoots, much like a former Co-Worker of his, arrived only 1 hour and 15 minutes late for this photo shoot the next
night. Yes, the shoot was at night because he already knew he would never arrive to a morning shoot. That, by the way, paved the road for Craig to set up his mandatory MHP
photo shoot for the next day at 10:30 am. Craig arrived half an hour early.
What upsets me is that there are people who are blessed with genetics or talent that us "normal" people can't even imagine and they waste it away due to their laziness, lack
of ambition or sense of entitlement. This Competitor's poor life choices are well publicized and his "fall" is going to be one of the most catastrophic when all is said and done.
Harley
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Harley
I signed up for life insurance last week
I need to cancel today- it wasn't a good deal
Is it too late to cancel???? Thank you sir
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Harley
I signed up for life insurance last week
I need to cancel today- it wasn't a good deal
Is it too late to cancel???? Thank you sir
Dear NaturalWonder83,
Of course, it would be easier for me to respond if I were able to read your policy, HOWEVER, always know, that practically EVERY type of insurance
contract can be cancelled. There may or may not be certain penalties depending on the wording of the contract and the timing and manner of cancellation.
In your case, given relatively no time has transpired, there are no damages to the insurance company and you should be entitled to a pro rata return of
any money you already paid.
Should you have any trouble after contacting the insurance company, please contact me via PM and I would be happy to send those bastard companies
a letter from my office, free of charge.
Harley
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Is craig sponsored by any company?
Dear Kim Jong Bob,
You ask if Craig is sponsored by any company. That is the ONLY topic on which I must be careful in how I respond as I would not want to say
anything that could be used in spite to hurt Craig's income.
Craig is an MHP "athlete."
I have very often had "run ins" with the powers to be at MHP as to how they use him and how they treat him.
You will notice that I have NEVER come here to promote ANY MHP product. I won't recommend anything that I don't myself take
and feel works, as far as legal supplements.
I am going to write a "2015 Mr. Olympia Report" as to how MHP treated me however.
Harley
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Thank you
Dear NaturalWonder83,
Of course, it would be easier for me to respond if I were able to read your policy, HOWEVER, always know, that practically EVERY type of insurance
contract can be cancelled. There may or may not be certain penalties depending on the wording of the contract and the timing and manner of cancellation.
In your case, given relatively no time has transpired, there are no damages to the insurance company and you should be entitled to a pro rata return of
any money you already paid.
Should you have any trouble after contacting the insurance company, please contact me via PM and I would be happy to send those bastard companies
a letter from my office, free of charge.
Harley
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Dear NaturalWonder83,
Of course, it would be easier for me to respond if I were able to read your policy, HOWEVER, always know, that practically EVERY type of insurance
contract can be cancelled. There may or may not be certain penalties depending on the wording of the contract and the timing and manner of cancellation.
In your case, given relatively no time has transpired, there are no damages to the insurance company and you should be entitled to a pro rata return of
any money you already paid.
Should you have any trouble after contacting the insurance company, please contact me via PM and I would be happy to send those bastard companies
a letter from my office, free of charge.
Harley
That's very good of you to help him Harley.
Naturalwonder83 please be advised that cash value also called whole life insurance is a terrible overpriced product. If you need life insurance then buy what is called Term Life insurance.
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That's very good of you to help him Harley.
Naturalwonder83 please be advised that cash value also called whole life insurance is a terrible overpriced product. If you need life insurance then buy what is called Term Life insurance.
someone just told me that
Thank u calf I will do that
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Dear Calfzilla,
Thanks for the compliment and the advice on insurance.
When I came here, I did say that I would offer any help I could to anyone who was polite and asked.
I don't know much, but there is an area of life (the law) in which I might be able to help some others.
Like I said, I am here soaking up your advice, opinions, good humor, great wit and once and awhile, Herne's home run photos.
Being nice and helping when possible should be the rent one pays while here on GetBig.
Harley
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WOW, Getbig's resident lawyer.
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That's very good of you to help him Harley.
Naturalwonder83 please be advised that cash value also called whole life insurance is a terrible overpriced product. If you need life insurance then buy what is called Term Life insurance.
Absolutely!
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WOW, Getbig's resident lawyer.
Well now weve come full circle because at one time Goodrum was selling prepaid legal services here.
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Well now weve come full circle because at one time Goodrum was selling prepaid legal services here.
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
You ask if Craig is sponsored by any company. That is the ONLY topic on which I must be careful in how I respond as I would not want to say
anything that could be used in spite to hurt Craig's income.
Craig is an MHP "athlete."
I have very often had "run ins" with the powers to be at MHP as to how they use him and how they treat him.
You will notice that I have NEVER come here to promote ANY MHP product. I won't recommend anything that I don't myself take
and feel works, as far as legal supplements.
I am going to write a "2015 Mr. Olympia Report" as to how MHP treated me however.
Harley
looking forward to it
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Dear Dave D,
I don't have any "prepaid legal services" and I am not here to make any money. If I can help someone with some advice, why not?
If there is something I can do for someone that doesn't take up too much time, why not?
I would never reveal private information but I have had many PMs and I have always responded and done my best to help. And I never
asked anyone for money.
Harley
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You're a good dude, Harley. You've got lots of heart and soul, and you really add it to getbig.
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I think a lot better, I trained slow enough that I could try to break personal strength records every workout. then I met pros and watched them train lighter and faster paced to blow up the muscle as full as possible.
Did you start following that once you understood it?
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Dear Dave D,
I don't have any "prepaid legal services" and I am not here to make any money. If I can help someone with some advice, why not?
If there is something I can do for someone that doesn't take up too much time, why not?
I would never reveal private information but I have had many PMs and I have always responded and done my best to help. And I never
asked anyone for money.
Harley
Wasn't an attack or slam against you bro, you're a good dude. I thought it was funny because we tease Vince about losing his spot as the industry insider to a real person in the know. I found it ironic that you're also a legitimate lawyer whereas Vince was pushing the pre paid services some time back.
I think I speak for all of get big when I say we're grateful you're here, no homo.
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
You ask if Craig is sponsored by any company. That is the ONLY topic on which I must be careful in how I respond as I would not want to say
anything that could be used in spite to hurt Craig's income.
Craig is an MHP "athlete."
I have very often had "run ins" with the powers to be at MHP as to how they use him and how they treat him.
You will notice that I have NEVER come here to promote ANY MHP product. I won't recommend anything that I don't myself take
and feel works, as far as legal supplements.
I am going to write a "2015 Mr. Olympia Report" as to how MHP treated me however.
Harley
i do not know gerard dente mhp owner but i remember being in club early 90's and he was few yrs older than me not much tho,he was huge by then and national level already ...
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Going back to the training you and Craig do, what is your typical bodypart split and what would be a typical workout for lets say for example legs
Thanks
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Hey Guys,
I have been asked about the "body part split" Craig and I exercise. When the time comes for Craig to do cardio, he usually does it first thing in the morning and when he
requires 2 sessions, he will do the second session at the gym immediately following our weight training session.
We have 2 different training spits, a 4 Day and a 5 Day split. We had been incorporating a 4 day split until Craig hooked up with Chris Aceto this year
who then changed it to a 5 Day Split. I think we are going to go back to the 4 Day Split just because of my work schedule.
5 Day Split: Sunday- Chest
Tuesday- Biceps then Triceps
Wednesday- Back
Thursday- Front, Side and Rear Delts then Traps
Saturday- Hams then Quads
4 Day Split: Sunday- Chest then Front then Side Delts then Traps
Tuesday- Biceps then Triceps
Wednesday or Thursday (Depends on my work schedule and how we feel)- Back then Rear Delts
Saturday- Hams then Quads
Obviously, your gym time is increased on the 4 Day Split but you are at the gym 1 less day per week and that sometimes can help avoid the boredom or convention
that can sometimes set in. Also, I am not much of a socialite in the gym and don't like talking or spending time there with people.
I hope that helps.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I have been asked about the "body part split" Craig and I exercise. When the time comes for Craig to do cardio, he usually does it first thing in the morning and when he
requires 2 sessions, he will do the second session at the gym immediately following our weight training session.
We have 2 different training spits, a 4 Day and a 5 Day split. We had been incorporating a 4 day split until Craig hooked up with Chris Aceto this year
who then changed it to a 5 Day Split. I think we are going to go back to the 4 Day Split just because of my work schedule.
5 Day Split: Sunday- Chest
Tuesday- Biceps then Triceps
Wednesday- Back
Thursday- Front, Side and Rear Delts then Traps
Saturday- Hams then Quads
4 Day Split: Sunday- Chest then Front then Side Delts then Traps
Tuesday- Biceps then Triceps
Wednesday or Thursday (Depends on my work schedule and how we feel)- Back then Rear Delts
Saturday- Hams then Quads
Obviously, your gym time is increased on the 4 Day Split but you are at the gym 1 less day per week and that sometimes can help avoid the boredom or convention
that can sometimes set in. Also, I am not much of a socialite in the gym and don't like talking or spending time there with people.
I hope that helps.
Harley
No Calves?
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Dear V Man,
THANK YOU!!!! Can you believe Craig doesn't do calves? Have you seen his calves? Forget the fact that he is black (and yes, if that sounds racist, it's not, as
many black men have trouble developing large calf muscles) he NEVER trains his calves. I am going to take some photos of Craig's calves and post them as it really
aggravates me that "God" does such things for others and yet ignores guys like me. LOL
Harley
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Dear V Man,
THANK YOU!!!! Can you believe Craig doesn't do calves? Have you seen his calves? Forget the fact that he is black (and yes, if that sounds racist, it's not, as
many black men have trouble developing large calf muscles) he NEVER trains his calves. I am going to take some photos of Craig's calves and post them as it really
aggravates me that "God" does such things for others and yet ignores guys like me. LOL
Harley
Lol I seriously thought you just forgot to put calves in there. I'm surprised to hear that a pro doesn't train calves....especially if they are a weak point.
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Calves are NOT a weak point for Craig. Sad that judges don't ever look nor care about calves. Craig says they barely even look up
when the guys are first brought out. Sad.
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I wonder what would happen if he went for the "stand out body part" angle that was discussed, since it sounds like he could do that. Work them to the point they refuse to be ignored.
Could it result in even higher placings?
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I wonder what would happen if he went for the "stand out body part" angle that was discussed, since it sounds like he could do that. Work them to the point they refuse to be ignored.
Could it result in even higher placings?
I would LOVE to tell you guys what it would take in the REAL world of the IFBB for Craig to place higher. Threads like that have consequences. No way Bob Chick
doesn't go running back to the powers to be and tell them what I would've written.
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I would LOVE to tell you guys what it would take in the REAL world of the IFBB for Craig to place higher. Threads like that have consequences. No way Bob Chick
doesn't go running back to the powers to be and tell them what I would've written.
I shudder to imagine it. ;D
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Harley, earlier you stated "the pros who wanted to get off the Mr. O stage as fast as possible in order to score some drugs and party".
But you forgot the FANS who wanted to get out of the Mr. O auditorium as soon as possible in order to score some drugs and party ....
Sounds like a typical weekend night for the majority of night owls here in Las Vegas town.
Believe it or not but I have never paid an admission fee to enter any night club in any part of the world I have found myself in.
Here in LV it's usually $20 to $40 to gain admission and then $12 to $20 for a decent drink.
And with minor exceptions ... I have only gotten high on a couple of martinis or two too many tequila shots.
Opps! Off track once again. Sorry bout that.
How have you been and how can I contact Jeff?
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I would LOVE to tell you guys what it would take in the REAL world of the IFBB for Craig to place higher. Threads like that have consequences. No way Bob Chick
doesn't go running back to the powers to be and tell them what I would've written.
If you two have direct knowledge of such stuff, why on earth would he continue to compete?
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If you two have direct knowledge of such stuff, why on earth would he continue to compete?
Dear The Ugly,
Craig competes because he wants to continue to challenge himself to see if he can improve how he looks. He is able to
continue competing because he doesn't have to or should I say, he chooses NOT TO do what it takes for a guy like him to
place a little higher. I am not saying he would ever beat a Flex Lewis or someone like that, but Craig is happy competing on his
own terms.
Clearly, the doesn't do it for the money but neither do most guys who play golf. They invest money in their equipment, club fees, tee time fees,
travels, etc but they do so because they like it. Craig likes the "bodybuilding" lifestyle and enjoys the final product, whether to not it lands him a check
or some medal.
Harley
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The Diet- Week One:
Hey Guys,
I want to begin by thanking all of you for your support. It is a very risk proposition to announce here on GetBig that you are going to
change your lifestyle and attempt to morph from overweight to "respectable" (real world, not "GetBig World") in terms of physique.
Week One went very well in terms of eating and keeping to cardio. I have not trained yet as we are still off from the gym for another week.
I begin this quest last week at 212.2 pounds (down from 227.3 lbs. originally some time ago).
Today, one week later, I weighed in at 200.8 lbs., thus losing 11.4 lbs. in the first week. While I am well aware that virtually all of that was water,
I am encouraged that I kept at cardio and diet so far. The longest journey begins with the first step. I hope Kim isn't upset that I quoted Mao.
Thanks again for all the support.
Harley
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The Diet- Week One:
Hey Guys,
I want to begin by thanking all of you for your support. It is a very risk proposition to announce here on GetBig that you are going to
change your lifestyle and attempt to morph from overweight to "respectable" (real world, not "GetBig World") in terms of physique.
Week One went very well in terms of eating and keeping to cardio. I have not trained yet as we are still off from the gym for another week.
I begin this quest last week at 212.2 pounds (down from 227.3 lbs. originally some time ago).
Today, one week later, I weighed in at 200.8 lbs., thus losing 11.4 lbs. in the first week. While I am well aware that virtually all of that was water,
I am encouraged that I kept at cardio and diet so far. The longest journey begins with the first step. I hope Kim isn't upset that I quoted Mao.
Thanks again for all the support.
Harley
Harley,
You should post this on instagram
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I don't have Instagram or any of that social media stuff. I am completely anti-technology. Being here is a complete exception
to the rule but so far, so good.
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The Diet- Week One:
Hey Guys,
I want to begin by thanking all of you for your support. It is a very risk proposition to announce here on GetBig that you are going to
change your lifestyle and attempt to morph from overweight to "respectable" (real world, not "GetBig World") in terms of physique.
Week One went very well in terms of eating and keeping to cardio. I have not trained yet as we are still off from the gym for another week.
I begin this quest last week at 212.2 pounds (down from 227.3 lbs. originally some time ago).
Today, one week later, I weighed in at 200.8 lbs., thus losing 11.4 lbs. in the first week. While I am well aware that virtually all of that was water,
I am encouraged that I kept at cardio and diet so far. The longest journey begins with the first step. I hope Kim isn't upset that I quoted Mao.
Thanks again for all the support.
Harley
congrats man,,keep it going..
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Harley, how many calories are you eating a day? meal breakdown?
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Congrats Harley,12 pounds in one week is great. Keep that metabolism cranking.
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The Diet- Week One:
Hey Guys,
I want to begin by thanking all of you for your support. It is a very risk proposition to announce here on GetBig that you are going to
change your lifestyle and attempt to morph from overweight to "respectable" (real world, not "GetBig World") in terms of physique.
Week One went very well in terms of eating and keeping to cardio. I have not trained yet as we are still off from the gym for another week.
I begin this quest last week at 212.2 pounds (down from 227.3 lbs. originally some time ago).
Today, one week later, I weighed in at 200.8 lbs., thus losing 11.4 lbs. in the first week. While I am well aware that virtually all of that was water,
I am encouraged that I kept at cardio and diet so far. The longest journey begins with the first step. I hope Kim isn't upset that I quoted Mao.
Thanks again for all the support.
Harley
That murderous Communist was no philosopher.
When I was a kid I was a huge fan of the TV show, "Kung Fu" and my favorite character was Master Po. I read somewhere that his character was based on the teachings of Lao Tzu and the "Tao Te Ching" where your quote is from. Much to my parent's dismay, I immediately abandon my nightly Bible reading in favor of Lao Tzu. I use to dream endlessly what it would be like to grow up in the Shaolin Temple. To be so devout and discipline and yet be able to kick some major ass.
Even well in to my adult life, I could never shake the image of David Carradine as errant and fallen Shaolin Priest, Kwai Chang Cain. Even though I'd hear rumors that he was no angel in real life I always looked at him as the pious and reverent priest from his Kung Fu days.
That image was shattered somewhat after that unfortunate incident in Thailand where he was found hung to death in a closet while performing an auto asphyxiation masturbation ritual that had gone horribly wrong.
Even to this day, nearly forty years later, Master Po still never gets old.
The actor that played him, Keye Luke, was also the original "Kato" in the original "Green Hornet" serials. I knew Kato from the Green Hornet TV show played by Bruce Lee who was my idol growing up. Lee was originally casts to play Kwai Chang Cain in the Kung Fu series but was considered too short. It would have been kind of "full circle like" to have the two "Katos" playing Master and pupil years later.
How Cain came to be known as "Grasshopper".
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That murderous Communist was no philosopher.
When I was a kid I was a huge fan of the TV show, "Kung Fu" and my favorite character was Master Po. I read somewhere that his character was based on the teachings of Lao Tzu and the "Tao Te Ching" where your quote is from. Much to my parent's dismay, I immediately abandon my nightly Bible reading in favor of Lao Tzu. I use to dream endlessly what it would be like to grow up in the Shaolin Temple. To be so devout and discipline and yet be able to kick some major ass.
Even well in to my adult life, I could never shake the image of David Carradine as errant and fallen Shaolin Priest, Kwai Chang Cain. Even though I'd hear rumors that he was no angel in real life I always looked at him as the pious and reverent priest from his Kung Fu days.
That image was shattered somewhat after that unfortunate incident in Thailand where he was found hung to death in a closet while performing an auto asphyxiation masturbation ritual that had gone horribly wrong.
Even to this day, nearly forty years later, Master Po still never gets old.
The actor that played him, Keye Luke, was also the original "Kato" in the original "Green Hornet" serials. I knew Kato from the Green Hornet TV show played by Bruce Lee who was my idol growing up. Lee was originally casts to play Kwai Chang Cain in the Kung Fu series but was considered too short. It would have been kind of "full circle like" to have the two "Katos" playing Master and pupil years later.
How Cain came to be known as "Grasshopper".
That show was awesome.............now they put out complete shit!
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I believe Mao took the quote and used it himself. And I agree, he was no philosopher. It's a hackneyed quote but it was very early in the morning for me
and I was just beginning my coffee to get ready for an hour of cardio. No excuse. The next quote should be better.
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My Sensei in Aikido who was in Iwama with Saito Sensei said, " we must control the aggressor"
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Dear The Ugly,
Craig competes because he wants to continue to challenge himself to see if he can improve how he looks. He is able to
continue competing because he doesn't have to or should I say, he chooses NOT TO do what it takes for a guy like him to
place a little higher. I am not saying he would ever beat a Flex Lewis or someone like that, but Craig is happy competing on his
own terms.
Clearly, the doesn't do it for the money but neither do most guys who play golf. They invest money in their equipment, club fees, tee time fees,
travels, etc but they do so because they like it. Craig likes the "bodybuilding" lifestyle and enjoys the final product, whether to not it lands him a check
or some medal.
Harley
that was my attitude. I always said I would rather come in my very best and lose to 5 guys that were all superior rather that not peak and win because there was no competition.
now it gets pretty frustrating when you are better than people that place ahead of you, but if your personal best is your priority; then it's easier to take.
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My Sensei in Aikido who was in Iwama with Saito Sensei said, " we must control the aggressor"
Too bad you're too f'ing crippled to control yourself. :-\
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Too bad you're too f'ing crippled to control yourself. :-\
The dozen other threads on this board where you are on his ass is still not enough, eh Mod?
Let's see if we can have just one civil thread on here where we can act like adults.
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Too bad you're too f'ing crippled to control yourself. :-\
Man, does he shit all over this thread, too?
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The dozen other threads on this board where you are on his ass is still not enough, eh Mod?
Let's see if we can have just one civil thread on here where we can act like adults.
You are asking way too much.
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The dozen other threads on this board where you are on his ass is still not enough, eh Mod?
Let's see if we can have just one civil thread on here where we can act like adults.
I agree Chaos if you want to argue we will do it elsewhere..no problem.
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Harley, how many calories are you eating a day? meal breakdown?
Dear Army of One,
I honestly don't know how many calories I am eating but I can tell you what I am eating:
I have 5 meals per day.
3 Meals are either a 40gram Protein of MuscleMilk. I am NOT promoting MuscleMilk. I simply drink it because it aggravates my stomach a little
less than all the other protein drinks.
The liquid protein I do drink which I like very much is MuscleEgg. I have the chocolate flavor (vanilla was awful) and each 1 Cup is 26 grams protein so
for a meal, I will drink 2 cups and add a little Splenda. 52 grams of protein in a meal for me is great!!!
The 2 meals I do eat are 6-8 ounces of fish or chicken. I can't eat beef (90% fat free) or steak yet as it makes me heavy in terms of weight.
I do like to eat salad also but the dressings are just brutal.
Have you guys seen the new Quest Peanut Butter Cups?
Harley
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2015 Mr. Olympia Report: True Devotion
Immediately after the Finals, a competitor who did not place within the top 8, was asked by a stage crew what he was intending to do now that the show was over.
Remind you, the show has now been over for less than 20 seconds and ALL competitors must attend, at least appear at, the Olympia Gala starting at 11:00 pm.
The Competitor responds, "I'm going to party and look to score some stuff." He was clearly referring to Ecstasy and the stage crewman understood fully well.
The Competitor then asks, "Do you know anybody?" to which the Stage Guy replies, "Yeah, I got a guy."
Now, before you claim that this had to do with steroids, trust me, the LAST thing this Competitor was thinking about was training, drugs or diet (that was obvious from
the way he showed up to compete). This Competitor has a long, public history with drug issues, especially Ecstasy.
What was funny, was as soon as the Stage Guy replied he had a guy, Tricky Jackson had walked over and asked, "What are you doing tonight?" completely unaware
that the other Competitor was setting up a night of partying. Tricky is NOT into that scene.
The Competitor, notorious for also showing up late to photo shoots, much like a former Co-Worker of his, arrived only 1 hour and 15 minutes late for this photo shoot the next
night. Yes, the shoot was at night because he already knew he would never arrive to a morning shoot. That, by the way, paved the road for Craig to set up his mandatory MHP
photo shoot for the next day at 10:30 am. Craig arrived half an hour early.
What upsets me is that there are people who are blessed with genetics or talent that us "normal" people can't even imagine and they waste it away due to their laziness, lack
of ambition or sense of entitlement. This Competitor's poor life choices are well publicized and his "fall" is going to be one of the most catastrophic when all is said and done.
Harley
Harley - great thread!
Ps you wouldn't be referring to Vic would you? Give us a hint!
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Just wanted to come on here and say that Harley Breite is truly a man of his word. I had to come on here and advertise for the guy in half and give out free advice when he can easily charge substantial fees for his vast legal knowledge. I message him for help he message me back no less than four times and he spent almost all Sunday night talking to me and gave me a lot of great help and advice so know now Harley is a man of his word,a scholar, a gentleman, and a terrific legal mind. Most impressively he doesn't try to rush you off the phone and you can tell he's true interested! Hell, we spent an extra half hour talking BJJ! Harley Breite all time best Getbigger IMO.
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Just wanted to come on here and say that Harley Breite is truly a man of his word. I had to come on here and advertise for the guy in half and give out free advice when he can easily charge substantial fees for his vast legal knowledge. I message him for help he message me back no less than four times and he spent almost all Sunday night talking to me and gave me a lot of great help and advice so know now Harley is a man of his word,a scholar, a gentleman, and a terrific legal mind. Most impressively he doesn't try to rush you off the phone and you can tell he's true interested! Hell, we spent an extra half hour talking BJJ! Harley Breite all time best Getbigger IMO.
X2
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I respect harley, god bless you sir!
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2015 Mr. Olympia Report: True Devotion
Immediately after the Finals, a competitor who did not place within the top 8, was asked by a stage crew what he was intending to do now that the show was over.
Remind you, the show has now been over for less than 20 seconds and ALL competitors must attend, at least appear at, the Olympia Gala starting at 11:00 pm.
The Competitor responds, "I'm going to party and look to score some stuff." He was clearly referring to Ecstasy and the stage crewman understood fully well.
The Competitor then asks, "Do you know anybody?" to which the Stage Guy replies, "Yeah, I got a guy."
Now, before you claim that this had to do with steroids, trust me, the LAST thing this Competitor was thinking about was training, drugs or diet (that was obvious from
the way he showed up to compete). This Competitor has a long, public history with drug issues, especially Ecstasy.
What was funny, was as soon as the Stage Guy replied he had a guy, Tricky Jackson had walked over and asked, "What are you doing tonight?" completely unaware
that the other Competitor was setting up a night of partying. Tricky is NOT into that scene.
The Competitor, notorious for also showing up late to photo shoots, much like a former Co-Worker of his, arrived only 1 hour and 15 minutes late for this photo shoot the next
night. Yes, the shoot was at night because he already knew he would never arrive to a morning shoot. That, by the way, paved the road for Craig to set up his mandatory MHP
photo shoot for the next day at 10:30 am. Craig arrived half an hour early.
What upsets me is that there are people who are blessed with genetics or talent that us "normal" people can't even imagine and they waste it away due to their laziness, lack
of ambition or sense of entitlement. This Competitor's poor life choices are well publicized and his "fall" is going to be one of the most catastrophic when all is said and done.
Harley
:)
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Financially I'm hardly better off than Wiggs, but knowing Harley's interests I'm gonna send him something this weekend as a thank you. The guy took hours with me, really educated me to some points of law that were relevent and fascinating. Harley is pretty educated in history, BJJ, martial arts (he beat one BAD DUDE in a karate tournament years ago), cars, and obviously the law.While that may seem like a jack of all trades (master of none) it's the opposite--the guy is well learned on many diverse subjects. We r lucky to have him here!!!
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1962 Chevy II Nova. First time I've seen one of these:
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss89/sbb_for_sale/DSC06511.jpg)
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B and A:
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss89/sbb_for_sale/DSC05499.jpg)
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss89/sbb_for_sale/DSC06508.jpg)
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Harley
Check out Beverly ultimate muscle protein
Respected company that's been around forever
Top quality and incredible taste
Should not bother your stomach sir
The pb cups are real good
Even better if u put in freezer
Cookie dough apple pie cookies creme almond vanilla are my favorites
I didn't like the new pumpkin pie oneDear Army of One,
I honestly don't know how many calories I am eating but I can tell you what I am eating:
I have 5 meals per day.
3 Meals are either a 40gram Protein of MuscleMilk. I am NOT promoting MuscleMilk. I simply drink it because it aggravates my stomach a little
less than all the other protein drinks.
The liquid protein I do drink which I like very much is MuscleEgg. I have the chocolate flavor (vanilla was awful) and each 1 Cup is 26 grams protein so
for a meal, I will drink 2 cups and add a little Splenda. 52 grams of protein in a meal for me is great!!!
The 2 meals I do eat are 6-8 ounces of fish or chicken. I can't eat beef (90% fat free) or steak yet as it makes me heavy in terms of weight.
I do like to eat salad also but the dressings are just brutal.
Have you guys seen the new Quest Peanut Butter Cups?
Harley
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Harley
Check out Beverly ultimate muscle protein
Respected company that's been around forever
Top quality and incredible taste
Should not bother your stomach sir
The pb cups are real good
Even better if u put in freezer
Cookie dough apple pie cookies creme almond vanilla are my favorites
I didn't like the new pumpkin pie one
there products are good but $$$$
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I really like the way they did this 6-3.
(http://www.totalcostinvolved.com/images/1966_Nova_Cone_Killer.jpg)
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Harley settling a side bar: https://vine.co/v/eXnexwunXWJ
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Just wanted to come on here and say that Harley Breite is truly a man of his word. I had to come on here and advertise for the guy in half and give out free advice when he can easily charge substantial fees for his vast legal knowledge. I message him for help he message me back no less than four times and he spent almost all Sunday night talking to me and gave me a lot of great help and advice so know now Harley is a man of his word,a scholar, a gentleman, and a terrific legal mind. Most impressively he doesn't try to rush you off the phone and you can tell he's true interested! Hell, we spent an extra half hour talking BJJ! Harley Breite all time best Getbigger IMO.
Praise Harley! True Getbigger that should be inducted into GetBig Hall of Fame!
It's really good to have such a bright mind that can also offer legal advice FREE here on the board willing to help people.
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Want to thank Harley in his thread. Asked about his grandfather's book, and (as it's no longer available) he offered to send me one free of charge. Just arrived, so I'll post a brief review as soon as I've finished.
Thank you, sir, solid as they come.
(Can I at least reimburse your postage?)
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Black Beauty 1962 Chevy II Nova
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/killerkustoms/DSCN1506.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/killerkustoms/DSCN1507.jpg)
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I really like the way they did this 6-3.
(http://www.totalcostinvolved.com/images/1966_Nova_Cone_Killer.jpg)
nice love the color
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where is Harley?
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nice love the color
Yeah...the certain depth to it is very cool, too
mat or flat at some angles, with depth at other angles
these cars look badass flat black, too. ;D, i hadn't realized novas went so far back in time (until this thread caused me to closely look at them)
they've become one of my favorite cars
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where is Harley?
i don't know for sure, but he might be working on something that is taking 100% of his focus. he'll be back when he can, though, you can bet.
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where is Harley?
buisness trip, he is defending a guy in dubai, india
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Hey Guys,
I am back!!!
I am sorry but I took my Mom to Disney World for 5 nights as one of the trips she has been speaking about for years. As I mentioned, I just took her and my sister
to Vegas a few weeks ago but this trip has been something she really wanted to do.
I apologize but I can't announce when I will be gone from my home for days at a time as I have numerous death threats against me (public record so yes, you can audit me, it's
not something to brag about, trust me) and as you know, the State is trying to take away my permit to carry a handgun.
Well, what really sucked is that this trip occurred during Week 2 of my Diet but I knew that going into it. I am sure I gained back all I lost on Week 1, but again, I knew that going into
it and sometimes, there are priorities we all must attend to, and my Mom is one of those.
But, I am ready for that alarm to go off at 5:30 am tomorrow to do an hour of cardio. I already have my MMA session set for 10:30 am and Craig and I return to the gym together for the
first time since the Mr. Olympia tomorrow at 4:30 with another hour of cardio to follow then.
I am not going to let the number on the scale tomorrow morning get me too far down mentally. This is a process. I know have but 13 weeks to achieve my goal and I am going to do it.
I can't thank you guys enough for all your support. I am sending you ALL a free invite to the Premiere of the documentary I am shooting when it's all ready for the theater. I figure as you
guys are some of my biggest supporters, you should all be invited. This documentary is really going to be something and will show Craig, Sean and myself in the real light, with all our
failures and shortcomings. But hopefully, it will uplift people and help others to come off the ground when knocked down and get up swinging despite all the negative people who just keep
saying we can't do it.
Harley
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Welcome back!
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I am sure I gained back all I lost on Week 1, but again, I knew that going into
it and sometimes, there are priorities we all must attend to, and my Mom is one of those.
This is certainly very true.
Always take care of the mom.
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Thanks TuHolmes. I had rented a townhouse in Animal Kingdom 2 years ago to take my Mom to but she had a very bad car
accident while I was in Brasil and she couldn't end up going to Florida so now was the time.
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Hey Guys,
I am back!!!
I am sorry but I took my Mom to Disney World for 5 nights as one of the trips she has been speaking about for years. As I mentioned, I just took her and my sister
to Vegas a few weeks ago but this trip has been something she really wanted to do.
I apologize but I can't announce when I will be gone from my home for days at a time as I have numerous death threats against me (public record so yes, you can audit me, it's
not something to brag about, trust me) and as you know, the State is trying to take away my permit to carry a handgun.
Well, what really sucked is that this trip occurred during Week 2 of my Diet but I knew that going into it. I am sure I gained back all I lost on Week 1, but again, I knew that going into
it and sometimes, there are priorities we all must attend to, and my Mom is one of those.
But, I am ready for that alarm to go off at 5:30 am tomorrow to do an hour of cardio. I already have my MMA session set for 10:30 am and Craig and I return to the gym together for the
first time since the Mr. Olympia tomorrow at 4:30 with another hour of cardio to follow then.
I am not going to let the number on the scale tomorrow morning get me too far down mentally. This is a process. I know have but 13 weeks to achieve my goal and I am going to do it.
I can't thank you guys enough for all your support. I am sending you ALL a free invite to the Premiere of the documentary I am shooting when it's all ready for the theater. I figure as you
guys are some of my biggest supporters, you should all be invited. This documentary is really going to be something and will show Craig, Sean and myself in the real light, with all our
failures and shortcomings. But hopefully, it will uplift people and help others to come off the ground when knocked down and get up swinging despite all the negative people who just keep
saying we can't do it.
Harley
Two questions:
1) where do the death threats come from?
2) why is the state trying to take away your gun permit?
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Hi, Harley!! :)
When you have time, I hope you give an account of what Disney World was like.
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Two questions:
1) where do the death threats come from?
2) why is the state trying to take away your gun permit?
Dear SF1900,
1) The Death Threats come from various members of different street gangs who feel that either I am doing too good a job for their rivals or I am not doing
well enough for their own members. My house has been shot at, many people have told my friends and my contacts that there is a "hit" out on me and one guy told
one of my people, unbeknownst to him, that "if he didn't have that gun on him, he'd be mine already."
I also have represented very violent and irrational clients who had no gang affiliation who also blame their present or past condition on me. They have no fear of
returning to prison especially with such a notch on their belt as killing a defense attorney.
2) There is a new Police Chief in my town who unlike any of his predecessors, did not approve my application to renew my permit to carry a handgun. He felt that
there was no real threat to my life. He ignored the assault charge levied against me (I've already mentioned that a racist motivated person claimed that he and I fought
and that I put him in the hospital. My legal team had the case dismissed. That is all I can say as to what really happened).
So now, a Judge decides, at a hearing, whether or not to renew my permit, which I have had for 6 years without any problem or incident. Simply because some new
bureaucrat Chief of Police politico doesn't feel I have any real threat to my life, the Prosecutor now suddenly agrees with him. These are all cowards who are simply driven
to protect their over inflated and unwarranted salaries, pensions and tenure.
I am far less likely to kill or harm anyone with my guns than those who continue to threaten my life and that of my family.
Harley
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Hi, Harley!! :)
When you have time, I hope you give an account of what Disney World was like.
Dear Las Vegas,
I am so disappointed with the cultural state this country finds itself in that I am hesitant to report my honest views of my 5 day stay in Disney World.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
1) The Death Threats come from various members of different street gangs who feel that either I am doing too good a job for their rivals or I am not doing
well enough for their own members. My house has been shot at, many people have told my friends and my contacts that there is a "hit" out on me and one guy told
one of my people, unbeknownst to him, that "if he didn't have that gun on him, he'd be mine already."
I also have represented very violent and irrational clients who had no gang affiliation who also blame their present or past condition on me. They have no fear of
returning to prison especially with such a notch on their belt as killing a defense attorney.
2) There is a new Police Chief in my town who unlike any of his predecessors, did not approve my application to renew my permit to carry a handgun. He felt that
there was no real threat to my life. He ignored the assault charge levied against me (I've already mentioned that a racist motivated person claimed that he and I fought
and that I put him in the hospital. My legal team had the case dismissed. That is all I can say as to what really happened).
So now, a Judge decides, at a hearing, whether or not to renew my permit, which I have had for 6 years without any problem or incident. Simply because some new
bureaucrat Chief of Police politico doesn't feel I have any real threat to my life, the Prosecutor now suddenly agrees with him. These are all cowards who are simply driven
to protect their over inflated and unwarranted salaries, pensions and tenure.
I am far less likely to kill or harm anyone with my guns than those who continue to threaten my life and that of my family.
Harley
Having shots fired at my house and knowing that gang members have a hit out on me would make me paranoid as hell. Do you wear a vest when going out in public?
How common is this? I would think Prosecutors would be more targeted than Defense attorneys.
It must suck royally to have to keep looking over your shoulder. All I have to worry about is Potatank coming at me with a bat but he's not allowed out of Canada.
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F that liberal pos police chief!
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My Diet Goal:
Hey Guys, as I mentioned, I was prepared for bad news today when I hit the scales due to taking my Mom to Disney World for 5 nights however,
I was so happy to see my weight at 206.6 pounds which was only a gain of 5.8 pounds from Week 1.
I can recover quite well from this. This is Week 2 and I awoke at 5:30 am to some damn good Brazilian coffee and sitting here waiting to wake up some
more and once again, use the bathroom and then hit an hour of cardio before MMA Training at 10:30 am.
Again, I thank you guys for your support. While I was warned before publicizing this quest of mine, I still feel the risk was worth it.
Harley
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Having shots fired at my house and knowing that gang members have a hit out on me would make me paranoid as hell. Do you wear a vest when going out in public?
How common is this? I would think Prosecutors would be more targeted than Defense attorneys.
It must suck royally to have to keep looking over your shoulder. All I have to worry about is Potatank coming at me with a bat but he's not allowed out of Canada.
Dear Pellius,
It's great to hear from you.
I don't wear a vest as it is technically illegal for me to wear a vest. I could be prosecuted, lose my law license and be sentenced to 18 months in state prison.
My situation is absolutely not common but there was a local defense attorney in another county whose client put together a plan to kidnap the attorney's daughter. Some other
attorney represented the guy for his bail reduction. It caused a feud between 2 older established attorneys.
Prosecutors are seldom targeted because criminals somehow accept their role as "their job" whereas my job is to get them "to walk free."
I am not terribly paranoid but almost every day when I walk down the streets in Paterson, where I mostly work and the city where my office resides, people frequently drive by
and yell my name and waive hello. I am keen to first look at their hands before yelling back a greeting.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
1) The Death Threats come from various members of different street gangs who feel that either I am doing too good a job for their rivals or I am not doing
well enough for their own members. My house has been shot at, many people have told my friends and my contacts that there is a "hit" out on me and one guy told
one of my people, unbeknownst to him, that "if he didn't have that gun on him, he'd be mine already."
I also have represented very violent and irrational clients who had no gang affiliation who also blame their present or past condition on me. They have no fear of
returning to prison especially with such a notch on their belt as killing a defense attorney.
2) There is a new Police Chief in my town who unlike any of his predecessors, did not approve my application to renew my permit to carry a handgun. He felt that
there was no real threat to my life. He ignored the assault charge levied against me (I've already mentioned that a racist motivated person claimed that he and I fought
and that I put him in the hospital. My legal team had the case dismissed. That is all I can say as to what really happened).
So now, a Judge decides, at a hearing, whether or not to renew my permit, which I have had for 6 years without any problem or incident. Simply because some new
bureaucrat Chief of Police politico doesn't feel I have any real threat to my life, the Prosecutor now suddenly agrees with him. These are all cowards who are simply driven
to protect their over inflated and unwarranted salaries, pensions and tenure.
I am far less likely to kill or harm anyone with my guns than those who continue to threaten my life and that of my family.
Harley
Harley come down here to S.FL. No problem with gun permits.
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Dear Pellius,
It's great to hear from you.
I don't wear a vest as it is technically illegal for me to wear a vest. I could be prosecuted, lose my law license and be sentenced to 18 months in state prison.
My situation is absolutely not common but there was a local defense attorney in another county whose client put together a plan to kidnap the attorney's daughter. Some other
attorney represented the guy for his bail reduction. It caused a feud between 2 older established attorneys.
Prosecutors are seldom targeted because criminals somehow accept their role as "their job" whereas my job is to get them "to walk free."
I am not terribly paranoid but almost every day when I walk down the streets in Paterson, where I mostly work and the city where my office resides, people frequently drive by
and yell my name and waive hello. I am keen to first look at their hands before yelling back a greeting.
Harley
Even if you show and prove that you have a need for personal protection, such as being shot at, our government decides that you
don't have a right to protect yourself. Wearing a vest poses no danger to anyone. It's purely a defensive tool.
Outrageous.
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You guys do realize that practically all my clients have bullet proof vests. I can buy one on the streets for $1,200 and that is a top
quality vest. But then again, I can't buy one, legally.
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X 2. I didn't think the concept of the 2nd amendment was so complicated.
In states that dont allow you to carry and conceal, it is.
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You guys do realize that practically all my clients have bullet proof vests. I can buy one on the streets for $1,200 and that is a top
quality vest. But then again, I can't buy one, legally.
won´t save anyone from a trained sniper. Just saying.
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My clients are unable to go to the range and practice shooting their guns so they are far from "trained snipers" thankfully
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won´t save anyone from a trained sniper. Just saying.
Put down Call of Duty while the adults are speaking. Please.
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You guys do realize that practically all my clients have bullet proof vests. I can buy one on the streets for $1,200 and that is a top
quality vest. But then again, I can't buy one, legally.
Travel to Va.
You can buy one.
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Harley,
Have you ever seen the (1979) movie And Justice For All with Al Pacino? What did you think of it? I see a lot of parallels to things you've said and it appears not much has changed the last 36 years.
Speaking of movies, what are some of your favorite law/courtroom flicks?
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won´t save anyone from a trained sniper. Just saying.
Watching too many films
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Watching too many films
Aha
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Put down Call of Duty while the adults are speaking. Please.
That is hysterical.
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Harley,
Have you ever seen the (1979) movie And Justice For All with Al Pacino? What did you think of it? I see a lot of parallels to things you've said and it appears not much has changed the last 36 years.
Speaking of movies, what are some of your favorite law/courtroom flicks?
Dear Princess L,
That is a question I have been asked before by many people (before I ever got to GetBig) so I chuckled a bit when I read your question.
The truth is that I don't very much enjoy the "Hollywoodization" of court room drama. I probably take it a bit too personally but I really do think that the Trial Lawyer, as opposed
to the overwhelming majority of lawyers, plays a very significant and unique role in our society. The once central theme in any civilized society (and here, I am sure Pellius will very
adroitly correct me given his profound knowledge of history) and again, the key word is "civilized", is that there is someone to stand up and defend the detested against heinous charges.
I could practically have everyone here at GetBig step forward if they were given the opportunity to act as Prosecutor let's say, in the case of State v. Ruel Powell
(N.J. Indictment Number:10-11-1117 for those auditing me). My client, Ruel Powell was indicted for vaginally and anally raping his 5 year old sister. The victim gave a video taped interview
just days after the alleged event occurred. Three years later, at trial, the video was played for the jury and the victim testified in court.
Most people in society would volunteer to prosecute anyone who was charged with such disgusting crimes.
But how many people step forward to defend him? How many people say "I will be the guy to make sure that if this thing does go down, it goes down fairly, correctly and under the umbrella
of all the laws and rights afforded to each and every person in our society especially when they themselves are a defendant in a criminal trial." Without that surety of a checks and balances to ensure
that the government and law enforcement don't make a rush to judgment or break any rules, there can never be the equal and true enforcement of rights and certainly, there can never be
civility. By the way, the jury found my client, Ruel Powell Not Guilty at the end of the trial.
What Hollywood does is to take the importance of everyone's role in the trial and glamourize it. First of all, no one on the planet looks like Matthew McConaughey let alone any lawyer. When you see
guys like that acting the roles they are given, it makes a mockery of all it took for me to hone my skills and do what I do. Again, I do take it a bit personally but to me, it's as if Hollywood is saying
that any guy can come in and do what I do. These movies also give ridiculous victories to defense counsel while obliterating all the Rules of Evidence and Rules of Criminal Procedure. The speeches alone
are often filled with completely inadmissible material that no real attorney would ever want to say in front of a jury.
I guess I am just too close to the real stuff to suspend my imagination and believe that someone like Tom Cruise can even think with the insight it takes to create novel and winning arguments. Do I enjoy
watching Jack Nicholson screaming and everyone thus believing he is actually making a legal point and winning an actual argument? No, I don't.
When I was studying for my LL.M. in Trial Advocacy we actually analyzed "My Cousin Vinnie" which made some very real points and used some good trial strategy and correct law.
Also, I am somewhat of a movie expert and have collected classic movie posters (starting from the early 1900's) for decades so there are so many great movies I love to watch that the courtroom
stuff just doesn't enter the equation.
Harley
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Harley, Welcome back from the Happiest Kingdom of Them All.
Net time we Meet & Greet I'll take a few minutes of your time and tell you some funny stories about the Disney characters and who played those roles.
And it was great meeting you all at the Olympia.
This year the Meet and Greet event seemed relatively empty until you or Ron or Wiggs mentioned that the downstairs part of the area was also a part of the Meet and Greet this year which made it a lot less crowded upstairs.
I did receive your grandfather's book and I will be sending it to you for an autograph and any remarks you want to add.
Please email me an address so I can mail it off to you.
I read constantly and am presently reAding BRIDGE OF SPIES before I open your grandfather's book.
I'm a big movie fan and have seen many films about those days and would like to ask you which of the concentration camp films was of most interest to you.
Thanks, Harley ... Stunt
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Harley, I think every GetBigger would be interested in hearing how
State v. Ruel Powell proceeded and how he was found "not guilty".
And how did you feel about the Simpson trial during the actual proceedings.
I'm no legal genius but have the uncanny ability to 'read' people as good or bad (sounds stupid, huh?) and I 'determined' his guilt as soon as he 'attempted' to pull that glove on his fist directly in front of the jury.
I got other legal 'observations' I'd like to throw at ya if you would not mind too much ... but you can OBJECT if I speak out of line.
As long as I am permitted to say, "OVER-RULED".
Thanks again, HARLEY .... Stunt
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Harley, Welcome back from the Happiest Kingdom of Them All.
Net time we Meet & Greet I'll take a few minutes of your time and tell you some funny stories about the Disney characters and who played those roles.
And it was great meeting you all at the Olympia.
This year the Meet and Greet event seemed relatively empty until you or Ron or Wiggs mentioned that the downstairs part of the area was also a part of the Meet and Greet this year which made it a lot less crowded upstairs.
I did receive your grandfather's book and I will be sending it to you for an autograph and any remarks you want to add.
Please email me an address so I can mail it off to you.
I read constantly and am presently reAding BRIDGE OF SPIES before I open your grandfather's book.
I'm a big movie fan and have seen many films about those days and would like to ask you which of the concentration camp films was of most interest to you.
Thanks, Harley ... Stunt
Dear Stuntmovie,
"The Happiest Kingdom Of Them All" is still a topic I am hesitant to discuss as my observations have only corroborated my pre-existing theory on the completely sad state
in which our country finds its "culture" and ideology. It truly epitomized why this country has failed on so many levels and will never return to even a shade of greatness until
men return to being men and women return to being women. I am disgusted and saddened by all of this. It's no wonder Europe laughs and calls us pussies. It's no wonder
that ISIS has no fear of America and radical extremists continue to kill innocent Americans and sabotage our economy in a plethora of direct attacks as well as the response of
how we direct our seemingly endless amount of resources and money to those who so clearly don't deserve our largess. I wouldn't let one more single American die in the Middle
East until Saudi Arabia sold us oil at a price where I wasn't paying more than ONE SINGLE DOLLAR per gallon at my local pump.
I am sorry I am on a rant.
I went off topic.
Let me cool down and come back soon.
Harley
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Miss Harley!!! The BJJ and bodybuilding king of GetBig :-)
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Miss Harley!!! The BJJ and bodybuilding king of GetBig :-)
Please check your PM.
No Homo (just in case).
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Harley, I think every GetBigger would be interested in hearing how
State v. Ruel Powell proceeded and how he was found "not guilty".
And how did you feel about the Simpson trial during the actual proceedings.
I'm no legal genius but have the uncanny ability to 'read' people as good or bad (sounds stupid, huh?) and I 'determined' his guilt as soon as he 'attempted' to pull that glove on his fist directly in front of the jury.
I got other legal 'observations' I'd like to throw at ya if you would not mind too much ... but you can OBJECT if I speak out of line.
As long as I am permitted to say, "OVER-RULED".
Thanks again, HARLEY .... Stunt
Dear Stuntmovie,
My defense of Ruel Powell was predicated on attacking the credibility of the victim who at the time of her testimony before the jury was just 8 years old.
Obviously, attacking an 8 year old girl who made such horrific claims of what was done to her is a difficult task and must be done gingerly and with diplomacy.
I decided to bring her Mom and aunt on the stand too in an effort to bring out that the girl (like all 5 year olds) had at times, lied about things. All kids lie about
things, little things and even sometimes, big things. Even the admission by the mom and aunt that the girl lied at times (like all little kids), coupled with their admission
that they were surprised by the charges and never thought their son and nephew could ever do such a thing helped quite a bit.
I also, in a rare move, put my client on the stand. Although he was Jamaican and had a heavy accent, he came across well and stuck to his position as advised by me.
My client was facing 20 years in prison with 17 years of that mandatory before he could even apply for parole. The State initially offered 18 years as a plea. We rejected that.
As I worked on the case over a period of 3 years, the offers went from 18 years to 15 years to 10 years to 5 years and then, finally to 364 days in the county jail. My client rejected
ALL those offers (there is a mandatory Megan's Law -- Sexual Offender Status attached to those crimes which was still part of the plea) and we went to trial.
Thankfully it worked out well for Ruel.
It's funny you ask me about the O.J. Simpson trial as that is the event that crystallized my future for me in that, once I saw Johnnie Cochran doing what he did, I knew right away
that was my "calling" and that I could do something special. It was a true epiphany as my entire childhood was about speaking to and with adults rather than kids of my own age. I was
always "hustling" and "convincing" others. I had always been fascinated with proper grammar (although my fast typing and laziness to use Spell Check might suggest otherwise) and especially
with obtaining a large vocabulary. I was that loquacious, smart nerd who hung out with adults and was always reading the dictionary. Once I saw Johnnie, it was like a drug and I had to have
that and do that.
An interesting side note I can one day discuss if there is any interest is my friendship with the now deceased Vincent Bugliosi, the man who prosecuted Charles Manson. He also wrote the most
successful true crime novel of all time, "Helter Skelter." He wrote a book about the OJ Trial and that was a topic we often discussed as well.
As far as throwing "Legal Observations" at me, of course, you and everyone else are always welcome to do that with me and raise any question you like. I am happy to discuss those matters
if you guys have any interest.
Harley
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Dear Stuntmovie,
My defense of Ruel Powell was predicated on attacking the credibility of the victim who at the time of her testimony before the jury was just 8 years old.
Obviously, attacking an 8 year old girl who made such horrific claims of what was done to her is a difficult task and must be done gingerly and with diplomacy.
I decided to bring her Mom and aunt on the stand too in an effort to bring out that the girl (like all 5 year olds) had at times, lied about things. All kids lie abouto
things, little things and even sometimes, big things. Even the admission by the mom and aunt that the girl lied at times (like all little kids), coupled with their admission
that they were surprised by the charges and never thought their son and nephew could ever do such a thing helped quite a bit.
I also, in a rare move, put my client on the stand. Although he was Jamaican and had a heavy accent, he came across well and stuck to his position as advised by me.
My client was facing 20 years in prison with 17 years of that mandatory before he could even apply for parole. The State initially offered 18 years as a plea. We rejected that.
As I worked on the case over a period of 3 years, the offers went from 18 years to 15 years to 10 years to 5 years and then, finally to 364 days in the county jail. My client rejected
ALL those offers (there is a mandatory Megan's Law -- Sexual Offender Status attached to those crimes which was still part of the plea) and we went to trial.
Thankfully it worked out well for Ruel.
It's funny you ask me about the O.J. Simpson trial as that is the event that crystallized my future for me in that, once I saw Johnnie Cochran doing what he did, I knew right away
that was my "calling" and that I could do something special. It was a true epiphany as my entire childhood was about speaking to and with adults rather than kids of my own age. I was
always "hustling" and "convincing" others. I had always been fascinated with proper grammar (although my fast typing and laziness to use Spell Check might suggest otherwise) and especially
with obtaining a large vocabulary. I was that loquacious, smart nerd who hung out with adults and was always reading the dictionary. Once I saw Johnnie, it was like a drug and I had to have
that and do that.
An interesting side note I can one day discuss if there is any interest is my friendship with the now deceased Vincent Bugliosi, the man who prosecuted Charles Manson. He also wrote the most
successful true crime novel of all time, "Helter Skelter." He wrote a book about the OJ Trial and that was a topic we often discussed as well.
As far as throwing "Legal Observations" at me, of course, you and everyone else are always welcome to do that with me and raise any question you like. I am happy to discuss those matters
if you guys have any interest.
Harley
I read that book, also read the one he wrote about JFK's assassination. In addition to Helter Skelter, of course.
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Dear The Ugly,
I thought Vincent Bugliosi's book on the JFK Assassination was clearly well researched but way too long and honestly, offered nothing
new on the subject.
I think he took it on because he wanted to become more relevant and he also felt a connection to JFK.
Harley
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Dear The Ugly,
You've read quite a few of Bugliosi's books. Are you a fan of his?
He was quite a character. I remember sitting at a table with him, Farrah Fawcett and William Shatner and all anyone wanted to talk about was
how Vince would've prosecuted OJ and how I would've defended him. This was, of course, many years after the trial.
Harley
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Dear Princess L,
That is a question I have been asked before by many people (before I ever got to GetBig) so I chuckled a bit when I read your question.
The truth is that I don't very much enjoy the "Hollywoodization" of court room drama. I probably take it a bit too personally but I really do think that the Trial Lawyer, as opposed
to the overwhelming majority of lawyers, plays a very significant and unique role in our society. The once central theme in any civilized society (and here, I am sure Pellius will very
adroitly correct me given his profound knowledge of history) and again, the key word is "civilized", is that there is someone to stand up and defend the detested against heinous charges.
I could practically have everyone here at GetBig step forward if they were given the opportunity to act as Prosecutor let's say, in the case of State v. Ruel Powell
(N.J. Indictment Number:10-11-1117 for those auditing me). My client, Ruel Powell was indicted for vaginally and anally raping his 5 year old sister. The victim gave a video taped interview
just days after the alleged event occurred. Three years later, at trial, the video was played for the jury and the victim testified in court.
Most people in society would volunteer to prosecute anyone who was charged with such disgusting crimes.
But how many people step forward to defend him? How many people say "I will be the guy to make sure that if this thing does go down, it goes down fairly, correctly and under the umbrella
of all the laws and rights afforded to each and every person in our society especially when they themselves are a defendant in a criminal trial." Without that surety of a checks and balances to ensure
that the government and law enforcement don't make a rush to judgment or break any rules, there can never be the equal and true enforcement of rights and certainly, there can never be
civility. By the way, the jury found my client, Ruel Powell Not Guilty at the end of the trial.
What Hollywood does is to take the importance of everyone's role in the trial and glamourize it. First of all, no one on the planet looks like Matthew McConaughey let alone any lawyer. When you see
guys like that acting the roles they are given, it makes a mockery of all it took for me to hone my skills and do what I do. Again, I do take it a bit personally but to me, it's as if Hollywood is saying
that any guy can come in and do what I do. These movies also give ridiculous victories to defense counsel while obliterating all the Rules of Evidence and Rules of Criminal Procedure. The speeches alone
are often filled with completely inadmissible material that no real attorney would ever want to say in front of a jury.
I guess I am just too close to the real stuff to suspend my imagination and believe that someone like Tom Cruise can even think with the insight it takes to create novel and winning arguments. Do I enjoy
watching Jack Nicholson screaming and everyone thus believing he is actually making a legal point and winning an actual argument? No, I don't.
When I was studying for my LL.M. in Trial Advocacy we actually analyzed "My Cousin Vinnie" which made some very real points and used some good trial strategy and correct law.
Also, I am somewhat of a movie expert and have collected classic movie posters (starting from the early 1900's) for decades so there are so many great movies I love to watch that the courtroom
stuff just doesn't enter the equation.
Harley
Very, very cool. Love it. I've always wanted original King Kong and Metropolis movie posters, but I'm not Bill Gates. :-\
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Dear Dr. Chimps,
Those are incredible posters!!! You have great taste.
When assholes like Leonardo DiCaprio pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a Metropolis poster (I bet he never even saw the movie or any Fritz Lang movie) the
pleasure of collecting for the sake of collecting is greatly diminished.
I have sold posters to Kirk Hammond of Metallica.
Harley
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Dear Princess L,
That is a question I have been asked before by many people (before I ever got to GetBig) so I chuckled a bit when I read your question.
The truth is that I don't very much enjoy the "Hollywoodization" of court room drama. I probably take it a bit too personally but I really do think that the Trial Lawyer, as opposed
to the overwhelming majority of lawyers, plays a very significant and unique role in our society. The once central theme in any civilized society (and here, I am sure Pellius will very
adroitly correct me given his profound knowledge of history) and again, the key word is "civilized", is that there is someone to stand up and defend the detested against heinous charges.
I could practically have everyone here at GetBig step forward if they were given the opportunity to act as Prosecutor let's say, in the case of State v. Ruel Powell
(N.J. Indictment Number:10-11-1117 for those auditing me). My client, Ruel Powell was indicted for vaginally and anally raping his 5 year old sister. The victim gave a video taped interview
just days after the alleged event occurred. Three years later, at trial, the video was played for the jury and the victim testified in court.
Most people in society would volunteer to prosecute anyone who was charged with such disgusting crimes.
But how many people step forward to defend him? How many people say "I will be the guy to make sure that if this thing does go down, it goes down fairly, correctly and under the umbrella
of all the laws and rights afforded to each and every person in our society especially when they themselves are a defendant in a criminal trial." Without that surety of a checks and balances to ensure
that the government and law enforcement don't make a rush to judgment or break any rules, there can never be the equal and true enforcement of rights and certainly, there can never be
civility. By the way, the jury found my client, Ruel Powell Not Guilty at the end of the trial.
What Hollywood does is to take the importance of everyone's role in the trial and glamourize it. First of all, no one on the planet looks like Matthew McConaughey let alone any lawyer. When you see
guys like that acting the roles they are given, it makes a mockery of all it took for me to hone my skills and do what I do. Again, I do take it a bit personally but to me, it's as if Hollywood is saying
that any guy can come in and do what I do. These movies also give ridiculous victories to defense counsel while obliterating all the Rules of Evidence and Rules of Criminal Procedure. The speeches alone
are often filled with completely inadmissible material that no real attorney would ever want to say in front of a jury.
I guess I am just too close to the real stuff to suspend my imagination and believe that someone like Tom Cruise can even think with the insight it takes to create novel and winning arguments. Do I enjoy
watching Jack Nicholson screaming and everyone thus believing he is actually making a legal point and winning an actual argument? No, I don't.
When I was studying for my LL.M. in Trial Advocacy we actually analyzed "My Cousin Vinnie" which made some very real points and used some good trial strategy and correct law.
Also, I am somewhat of a movie expert and have collected classic movie posters (starting from the early 1900's) for decades so there are so many great movies I love to watch that the courtroom
stuff just doesn't enter the equation.
Harley
Harley,
Thank you for the response. I was looking more for your thoughts on the portrayal of the corruption within the justice system in the film. For instance:
Arthur's defense of the innocent (mistaken identity) guy jailed for a broken taillight then subsequently killed because the judge didn't like Arthur ie: "frankly I don't give a shit about your client"
Arthur's partner in the DA's office who was supposed to present evidence to get his client released, but F'd that up (guy ended up hanging himself) and his partner claiming "it's all nickel & dime"
The corrupt judge who freely admits his guilt even saying "he'd like to do it again"
Overall, I found it to be an excellent film (top 5), albeit disturbing, with one of Pacino's best performances.
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I can hardly picture what a crazy scene it was in that desert, with all the freaks living around the wild-west ranch and hiding out in the mountains.
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Dear Harley,
As someone who was friends with a small number of low level UK nationally rated competitors nearly 20 years ago, I am shocked and appalled at the rate of attrition that modern day global bodybuilding practitioners currently suffer. Without prejudice of any of your current relationships, please would you feel able to speak generally on the subject of what you feel may be current practice for modern IFBB professionals in terms of a) blood work and b) ECG work (particularly given the tragic demise of my personal favourites Matarazzo and El Sonbaty.)
Respectful thanks in advance
Taf :)
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Dear The Ugly,
You've read quite a few of Bugliosi's books. Are you a fan of his?
He was quite a character. I remember sitting at a table with him, Farrah Fawcett and William Shatner and all anyone wanted to talk about was
how Vince would've prosecuted OJ and how I would've defended him. This was, of course, many years after the trial.
Harley
Yes, I guess so. Like how he cut through all the Manson horseshit, saw him for what he was: a bitter wannabe/failed musician. Actually enjoyed Mark Fuhrman's JFK book the most. Just investigated it like a detective on the case; evidence, piece by piece.
Conclusion: Oswald, alone.
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What's your opinion on Fuhrman and how he played into the OJ case, Harley?
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What's your opinion on Fuhrman and how he played into the OJ case, Harley?
I use to train and work at the same gym as Fuhrman and saw him almost daily. We had a lot of intense discussions. He was always encouraging me to join the LAPD.
I was shocked when I saw Mark on TV during the trial. I remember sitting in my car in the parking lot at the Hughes Aircraft parking facility in El Segundo listening to the O.J. chase on the radio as it was happening.
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Hey Harley, love reading your posts, but I have one question: why is the text in your posts misaligned?
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Hey Harley, love reading your posts, but I have one question: why is the text in your posts misaligned?
Dear 10pints,
I am not sure what you mean. I have confessed to being technologically ignorant but perhaps you are referring to my
insistence upon writing in paragraph form as if I were writing a letter?
I would be happy to better answer you if perhaps you could ask the question in another way. I am not trying to
be difficult.
Harley
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Dear 10pints,
I am not sure what you mean. I have confessed to being technologically ignorant but perhaps you are referring to my
insistence upon writing in paragraph form as if I were writing a letter?
I would be happy to better answer you if perhaps you could ask the question in another way. I am not trying to
be difficult.
Harley
I am referring to the indents highlighted with red in the attached image. Why not have these lines aligned flush left?
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That is the first time I am seeing or hearing about the red points. I don't know anything about it.
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Dear 10pints,
I am not sure what you mean. I have confessed to being technologically ignorant but perhaps you are referring to my
insistence upon writing in paragraph form as if I were writing a letter?
I would be happy to better answer you if perhaps you could ask the question in another way. I am not trying to
be difficult.
Harley
This is either incredibly clever or incredibly coincidental, but incredibly funny either way.
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That is the first time I am seeing or hearing about the red points. I don't know anything about it.
Apologies for the confusion Harley. They do not appear, I merely put them there to highlight the misalignment I am referring to.
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This is either incredibly clever or incredibly coincidental, but incredibly funny either way.
I laughed at that also. I'm sure it was deliberate.
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I laughed at that also. I'm sure it was deliberate.
Then Harley is a funny man.
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Harley, Welcome back from the Happiest Kingdom of Them All.
Net time we Meet & Greet I'll take a few minutes of your time and tell you some funny stories about the Disney characters and who played those roles.
And it was great meeting you all at the Olympia.
This year the Meet and Greet event seemed relatively empty until you or Ron or Wiggs mentioned that the downstairs part of the area was also a part of the Meet and Greet this year which made it a lot less crowded upstairs.
I did receive your grandfather's book and I will be sending it to you for an autograph and any remarks you want to add.
Please email me an address so I can mail it off to you.
I read constantly and am presently reAding BRIDGE OF SPIES before I open your grandfather's book.
I'm a big movie fan and have seen many films about those days and would like to ask you which of the concentration camp films was of most interest to you.
Thanks, Harley ... Stunt
Dear Stuntmovie,
Again, it was my pleasure to meet you, Wiggs and Ron at the Mr. Olympia. You guys beat the GetBig Over/Under which Craig and I set at 1.
I would be happy to sign my Grandfather's book for you and very much appreciate you taking the time to read it.
I don't watch any Hollywood films about concentration camps but "Schindler's List" was something truly special. The documentaries with real footage are
quite compelling.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I am glad you caught the joke I sent to 10 points as it was "deliberate."
The "misalignment" is true as I type by hand and when I post here, if I hit the "Tab" key, the cursor disappears.
As such, I have to do the alignment by myself and I think faster than I type so I sacrifice form sometimes in order not to lose
my thought.
I will work harder on that, I promise.
Harley
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Harley,
Thank you for the response. I was looking more for your thoughts on the portrayal of the corruption within the justice system in the film. For instance:
Arthur's defense of the innocent (mistaken identity) guy jailed for a broken taillight then subsequently killed because the judge didn't like Arthur ie: "frankly I don't give a shit about your client"
Arthur's partner in the DA's office who was supposed to present evidence to get his client released, but F'd that up (guy ended up hanging himself) and his partner claiming "it's all nickel & dime"
The corrupt judge who freely admits his guilt even saying "he'd like to do it again"
Overall, I found it to be an excellent film (top 5), albeit disturbing, with one of Pacino's best performances.
Dear Princess L,
You won't find many guys in the courthouse (sans shackles) who are more anti-government than myself but I have to confess, the real hard "corruption" is not all that common
in the judicial system. Judges may be egotistical bastards but they are hardly ever involved in the killing of others or even taking bribes. That, I am sure occurs but it is so incredibly
rare it's almost unheard of.
Most judges don't really care about the defendants either. They want to dispose of cases as they are "graded" by the number of cases they close out within a year.
There is a local esteemed judge who has been suspended for giving himself and his prosecutor a raise with money from a DWI fund which is completely illegal.
Harley
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Harley,
Thank you for the response. I was looking more for your thoughts on the portrayal of the corruption within the justice system in the film. For instance:
Arthur's defense of the innocent (mistaken identity) guy jailed for a broken taillight then subsequently killed because the judge didn't like Arthur ie: "frankly I don't give a shit about your client"
Arthur's partner in the DA's office who was supposed to present evidence to get his client released, but F'd that up (guy ended up hanging himself) and his partner claiming "it's all nickel & dime"
The corrupt judge who freely admits his guilt even saying "he'd like to do it again"
Overall, I found it to be an excellent film (top 5), albeit disturbing, with one of Pacino's best performances.
The Verdict, L, best courtroom film ever. Ok, second to Twelve Angry Men, which is more of a jury room film.
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Dear HarleyBreite,
A man as au courant as you is probably aware of this novel. It is written by a fellow New Jerseyan and one of your peers, even if he is, unlike you and your services, a lawyer of last resort.
With warmest regards and highest hopes for your continued existence,
Kahn
(http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-TJ356_bkrvfi_DV_20120614144619.jpg)
Dear Kahn.N.Singh,
I thank you for the compliment and the referral of the book.
I might just add, as a personal justification, I too, am a lawyer of "last resort" for quite a substantial number of people.
I have a large amount of clients for whom there is no fee. I have a number of different reasons for not charging them but those are my reasons.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
As someone who was friends with a small number of low level UK nationally rated competitors nearly 20 years ago, I am shocked and appalled at the rate of attrition that modern day global bodybuilding practitioners currently suffer. Without prejudice of any of your current relationships, please would you feel able to speak generally on the subject of what you feel may be current practice for modern IFBB professionals in terms of a) blood work and b) ECG work (particularly given the tragic demise of my personal favourites Matarazzo and El Sonbaty.)
Respectful thanks in advance
Taf :)
Dear Taffin,
"Blood work"? Ha ha. These guys don't care about blood work. The new guys don't even know about Munzer or Benazzia.
"ECG work?" They can't even spell "ECG."
Would you believe me if I told you that an Olympia competitor who did not finish in this year's top 8 could not even fly to Columbus, Ohio as he didn't have enough
money to pay for the flight? If I told you that he was once and probably still is one of the highest paid professional bodybuilders for the past 15 years would you be
surprised?
These guys care only about spending money on gear and food.
Harley
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What's your opinion on Fuhrman and how he played into the OJ case, Harley?
Dear Las Vegas,
Perhaps I am the wrong person to ask because I don't approve of the word "black" and I go so far as to despise the fact that a substantial
part of the Black culture insists on not only using the word, but emphasizing it in song, conversation and film. If you find that term offensive,
then it is offensive no matter the skin color of the person who voices it.
Mark Fuhrman is entitled to his views, but his are not mine. I have seen far too many law enforcement officers with that very same attitude.
Of course, that attitude is completely disguised when they are working right next to a minority law enforcement officer but every now and then,
it will come out.
I have exposed racism from police officers, on the witness stand, in front of a jury and it does have impact. Had the Prosecutors properly
prepared Fuhrman, none of that would have ever been an issue.
What I marveled at was F. Lee Bailey at some of his best. Martha Clark was a little bitch standing next to him. He had gravitas in that courtroom
and it was well deserved.
An interesting note is that a great deal of "White America" was shocked that a cop would have such views and actually lie under oath. This was a very
important moment in the American Judicial System as it brought to the surface a problem that many never realized existed. It created conversation
which also led to change.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Perhaps I am the wrong person to ask because I don't approve of the word "black" and I go so far as to despise the fact that a substantial
part of the Black culture insists on not only using the word, but emphasizing it in song, conversation and film. If you find that term offensive,
then it is offensive no matter the skin color of the person who voices it.
Mark Fuhrman is entitled to his views, but his are not mine. I have seen far too many law enforcement officers with that very same attitude.
Of course, that attitude is completely disguised when they are working right next to a minority law enforcement officer but every now and then,
it will come out.
I have exposed racism from police officers, on the witness stand, in front of a jury and it does have impact. Had the Prosecutors properly
prepared Fuhrman, none of that would have ever been an issue.
What I marveled at was F. Lee Bailey at some of his best. Martha Clark was a little bitch standing next to him. He had gravitas in that courtroom
and it was well deserved.
An interesting note is that a great deal of "White America" was shocked that a cop would have such views and actually lie under oath. This was a very
important moment in the American Judicial System as it brought to the surface a problem that many never realized existed. It created conversation
which also led to change.
Harley
What's wrong with the word 'black'? Just kidding. The racist operators here substitute black for the N-word, as if they're one and the same. Despicable People.
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What's wrong with the word 'black'? Just kidding. The racist operators here substitute black for the N-word, as if they're one and the same. Despicable People.
Hey Guys,
I made a BIG mistake!!!
When I wrote, "I don't approve of the word "black" I made a BIG mistake.
I meant to write, "I don't approve of the word "black."
I should've proof read it better.
It is the word "black" I find offensive especially when perpetrated by the same people to whom it was slung
as only a heinous moniker.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Wait a second. I can't make my point.
I don't disapprove of the word "black."
I keep writing a different word that start with "N" but it doesn't come out.
Am I going crazy?
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Wait a second. I can't make my point.
I don't disapprove of the word "black."
I keep writing a different word that start with "N" but it doesn't come out.
Am I going crazy?
Harley
Yes.
The word you are trying to type is not allowed. So the software changes the word to "black".
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Dear Las Vegas,
Perhaps I am the wrong person to ask because I don't approve of the word "black" and I go so far as to despise the fact that a substantial
part of the Black culture insists on not only using the word, but emphasizing it in song, conversation and film. If you find that term offensive,
then it is offensive no matter the skin color of the person who voices it.
Mark Fuhrman is entitled to his views, but his are not mine. I have seen far too many law enforcement officers with that very same attitude.
Of course, that attitude is completely disguised when they are working right next to a minority law enforcement officer but every now and then,
it will come out.
I have exposed racism from police officers, on the witness stand, in front of a jury and it does have impact. Had the Prosecutors properly
prepared Fuhrman, none of that would have ever been an issue.
What I marveled at was F. Lee Bailey at some of his best. Martha Clark was a little bitch standing next to him. He had gravitas in that courtroom
and it was well deserved.
An interesting note is that a great deal of "White America" was shocked that a cop would have such views and actually lie under oath. This was a very
important moment in the American Judicial System as it brought to the surface a problem that many never realized existed. It created conversation
which also led to change.
Harley
Grant you the lie, but the word came from a cop character profile he was creating for a screenwriter, uttered in "his" voice. She recorded the conversation and later mislead investigators.
Not suggesting he hasn't ever used it as himself, but context should be included here.
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Just call us Hebrews cause that's who we are.
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Yes.
The word you are trying to type is not allowed. So the software changes the word to "black".
Well then let's see if you can type the word "kike"
Hey, you can.
"Selective racist restrictions" raise many issues but I'm not here for that argument.
Just making a note.
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Well then let's see if you can type the word "kike"
Hey, you can.
"Selective racist restrictions" raise many issues but I'm not here for that argument.
Just making a note.
I like this.
Testing: wetback, raghead, gook, nip, chink, hymie, wop, redneck, cracker, peckerwood, kraut, dago, goombah, guido, wog, oriental, spic, redskin, injun, squaw, heeb, sheeny, shylock.
Interesting.
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How's the diet coming along Harley?
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How's the diet coming along Harley?
Dear Neither Animal,
Thanks for asking. I just finished 8 ounces of chicken breast.
The problem is that I get hungry before the 3 hours arrives so sometimes I eat more times a day than other days.
It's going ok and Monday will be the weigh in for my 3rd week. I have 12 weeks to go from this Monday.
I do get up at 5:15 am to do my first session of cardio for an hour and then another hour of cardio after the gym.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Wait a second. I can't make my point.
I don't disapprove of the word "black."
I keep writing a different word that start with "N" but it doesn't come out.
Am I going crazy?
Harley
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Well then let's see if you can type the word "kike"
Hey, you can.
"Selective racist restrictions" raise many issues but I'm not here for that argument.
Just making a note.
Just call us Hebrews cause that's who we are.
Yes, the term Hebrews has become synonymous with the word you were referring to.
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September 7, 1995
LA Times - A somber, stony-faced Detective Mark Fuhrman asserted his 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination three times Wednesday, refusing to answer questions posed by defense lawyers who charge that he framed O.J. Simpson.
"Was the testimony that you gave at the preliminary hearing in this case completely truthful?" defense attorney Gerald F. Uelmen asked in a quick, pointed confrontation with Fuhrman, who has told jurors he found a bloody glove at Simpson's estate. "Have you ever falsified a police report?"
And most strikingly, "Did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case?"
After each question, Fuhrman leaned over, whispered to his attorney and then sat stiffly straight to answer: "I wish to assert my 5th Amendment privilege."
As Fuhrman's testimony ended, Simpson hunched over the defense table, buried his face in his hands and appeared to cry.
Jurors, who waited in an upstairs lounge during Fuhrman's brief but electrifying appearance, did not get to hear the exchange. But Uelmen said he would ask Superior Court Judge Lance A. Ito to instruct the panel today that Fuhrman had taken the 5th Amendment
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September 7, 1995
LA Times - A somber, stony-faced Detective Mark Fuhrman asserted his 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination three times Wednesday, refusing to answer questions posed by defense lawyers who charge that he framed O.J. Simpson.
"Was the testimony that you gave at the preliminary hearing in this case completely truthful?" defense attorney Gerald F. Uelmen asked in a quick, pointed confrontation with Fuhrman, who has told jurors he found a bloody glove at Simpson's estate. "Have you ever falsified a police report?"
And most strikingly, "Did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case?"
After each question, Fuhrman leaned over, whispered to his attorney and then sat stiffly straight to answer: "I wish to assert my 5th Amendment privilege."
As Fuhrman's testimony ended, Simpson hunched over the defense table, buried his face in his hands and appeared to cry.
Jurors, who waited in an upstairs lounge during Fuhrman's brief but electrifying appearance, did not get to hear the exchange. But Uelmen said he would ask Superior Court Judge Lance A. Ito to instruct the panel today that Fuhrman had taken the 5th Amendment
Biggest travesty in the history of American jurisprudence.
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Dear Harley,
As well, as seeing Mark almost daily in the gym we also ran around in the same social circle. We went to the same parties, had the same mutual friends and we would all drive down from the South Bay (Torrance, Redondo Beach) to Barstow where they had the Police Olympics and cheer on his training partner, Chuck. who competed in the bodybuilding event.
Mark definitely had strong and negative feelings toward the Black culture. In one of our discussions he asked me to name one Black culture that on it's own amounted to anything. He said if it wasn't for Whites they still be living in mud huts and hunting with spears. But he did have friends that were Black and also were part of the gang. He made a sharp distinction between the inner city Blacks and the "civilized" ones. He felt that the government had a lot to do the break up of the Black family by the creation of the welfare State. The government, by assuming the role as the provider, gave an incentive for a father to have kids and not worry about supporting them. Same with women. Before this "safety net" a couple thought long and hard about having children and how they are going to support them. It is crucial that a boy has a father or a father figure in their lives. When a girl goes bad she's usually a profound heart ache to their family, e.g., hooks up with a loser, becomes a prostitute, gets involved with drugs.... When boys go bad they become a menace to society.
Although Mark and I would discuss and debate constantly, I was actually much more comfortable with his best friend at the time, Chuck (the competitive bodybuilder). Chuck was much more easy going and light hearted. Whereas Mark was more serious and often grim and brooding, Chuck was always laughing and joking around. With that in mind, I once asked Chuck what would he do to help reduced crime. He just smiled and said, "Well, first you have to get rid of all the kneegahs (btw that's how we get around the censorship)." In a way, that kind of surprise me coming from Chuck but in a way it didn't. The gym I trained at was an old school all male gym (though we did have some brave females, about 3, that trained there) and it also was a gym that the cops in the area trained at. This seemed to be the general attitude with the cops. They considered the inner city Blacks to be the main cause of violent crime and had first had experience with it.
i was always a bit wary of Mark as he seemed to have a temper though I never personally saw it. He just seemed like a guy you wouldn't want to mess with. But he was an extremely loyal friend and though I never considered ourselves "close" he did always give me the impression that he had my back and would be there when the chips were down. Loyalty was a very strong trait in him. Also, he was a totally by the book type and had a strong sense of honor. His word was gold with me. I don't think he would do anything unlawful to get a conviction in the O.J. Simpson case. He didn't plant any glove.
In all the years that I had known and socialized with Mark I had never, ever, heard him use the word "niggaah" though it was widely use within our social circle. Even with the other cops (the always affable Chuck being an example).I believe in the tape interview with that writer working on a movie he was being kind of cocky and putting on a street type persona. A friend that I went to high school with and became a homicide Detective also talk this way to me one on one which was totally out of character. He would say almost exactly what Mark said about breaking down these gangsters by intimidation and roughing them up. It's like they would consider these gang members a totally different class of criminals. Utterly ruthless with no conscience. They were just animals. When you pull a 13 year old girl into an abandon house and gang rape her and then douse her with lighter fluid and burn her to death like a worthless piece of meat you are literally a monster masquerading as a human being.
Despite my opinion of him being honorable and by the book, I believe he did lie under oath. If he had brought up the interview, which I'm not completely sure if he even considered that a valid example, he would have to do a lot of hand waving and trying to explain the context. Personally, I don't consider whether or not he use the "n-word", which at the type did not have as strong of a negative context as it has now, though it has always been a pejorative, as all that relevant. Even if he was a proven racist the evidence on hand should have been taken on face value.
O.J. got away with murder though karma eventually caught up with him and Mark got a raw deal and karma caught up with him as he is doing far, far better now than if he had stuck with the LAPD until retirement -- which would be about now as I believe he must be in his early sixties by now.
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Dear Pellius,
As always, I enjoy and appreciate your long, thought out responses.
This one appears to corroborate the public's perception that Mark is a racist. The idea that cops can treat "animals" differently is contrary to the laws
of this country. It violates the constitution to violate the rights of "an animal masquerading as a human being." The reason we hold cops to a higher level
is because they are supposed to act on a higher level, that very level that the constitution demands from them in order to ensure that EVERYONE'S rights
are protected equally.
If the cops didn't rely on snitches to do all their own work, they wouldn't have to violate the rights of others as much as they do now. The guys who gang rape
and burn a 13 year old girl will all eventually end up in prison but they should arrive there correctly and without the government cutting corners. It is possible, after all,
that a good guy could just be standing there or even walking by an "animal" when the cops drop down their net and make their multiple arrest.
The idea that some blacks are neehgars and others are not, is a fallacy. The word itself is just wrong. Those who are morally afoul are jus that, regardless of their color.
We can call them what they are, evil, morally bankrupt, criminal, etc. but we don't ever need to conjure up such a deplorable and heinous term which does nothing more
than create a racist divide that should've ended hundreds of years ago in this country. That same evil Mark saw in the inner city exists in white people, Mexicans, Dominicans
and EVERY OTHER minority group, color, ethnicity and religion. We can argue about how prevalent it may be in each but the fact is that evil and racism spare no skin color,
nationality or religion.
I just wouldn't want to be around Mark Fuhrman and I disagree that karma was good to him. Perhaps he got more than he deserved.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
As always, I enjoy and appreciate your long, thought out responses.
This one appears to corroborate the public's perception that Mark is a racist. The idea that cops can treat "animals" differently is contrary to the laws
of this country. It violates the constitution to violate the rights of "an animal masquerading as a human being." The reason we hold cops to a higher level
is because they are supposed to act on a higher level, that very level that the constitution demands from them in order to ensure that EVERYONE'S rights
are protected equally.
If the cops didn't rely on snitches to do all their own work, they wouldn't have to violate the rights of others as much as they do now. The guys who gang rape
and burn a 13 year old girl will all eventually end up in prison but they should arrive there correctly and without the government cutting corners. It is possible, after all,
that a good guy could just be standing there or even walking by an "animal" when the cops drop down their net and make their multiple arrest.
The idea that some blacks are neehgars and others are not, is a fallacy. The word itself is just wrong. Those who are morally afoul are jus that, regardless of their color.
We can call them what they are, evil, morally bankrupt, criminal, etc. but we don't ever need to conjure up such a deplorable and heinous term which does nothing more
than create a racist divide that should've ended hundreds of years ago in this country. That same evil Mark saw in the inner city exists in white people, Mexicans, Dominicans
and EVERY OTHER minority group, color, ethnicity and religion. We can argue about how prevalent it may be in each but the fact is that evil and racism spare no skin color,
nationality or religion.
I just wouldn't want to be around Mark Fuhrman and I disagree that karma was good to him. Perhaps he got more than he deserved.
Harley
All due respect, Harley: Are you suggesting Fuhrman was the real bad guy in that circus?
I know you were impressed with Cochran and Bailey, understandable, but how about a little perspective here? The racist cop didn't murder anyone, and the two you hold in such high esteem helped get that fucker off.
This is insane, my friend.
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Dear Pellius,
As always, I enjoy and appreciate your long, thought out responses.
This one appears to corroborate the public's perception that Mark is a racist. The idea that cops can treat "animals" differently is contrary to the laws
of this country. It violates the constitution to violate the rights of "an animal masquerading as a human being." The reason we hold cops to a higher level
is because they are supposed to act on a higher level, that very level that the constitution demands from them in order to ensure that EVERYONE'S rights
are protected equally.
If the cops didn't rely on snitches to do all their own work, they wouldn't have to violate the rights of others as much as they do now. The guys who gang rape
and burn a 13 year old girl will all eventually end up in prison but they should arrive there correctly and without the government cutting corners. It is possible, after all,
that a good guy could just be standing there or even walking by an "animal" when the cops drop down their net and make their multiple arrest.
The idea that some blacks are neehgars and others are not, is a fallacy. The word itself is just wrong. Those who are morally afoul are jus that, regardless of their color.
We can call them what they are, evil, morally bankrupt, criminal, etc. but we don't ever need to conjure up such a deplorable and heinous term which does nothing more
than create a racist divide that should've ended hundreds of years ago in this country. That same evil Mark saw in the inner city exists in white people, Mexicans, Dominicans
and EVERY OTHER minority group, color, ethnicity and religion. We can argue about how prevalent it may be in each but the fact is that evil and racism spare no skin color,
nationality or religion.
I just wouldn't want to be around Mark Fuhrman and I disagree that karma was good to him. Perhaps he got more than he deserved.
Harley
The idea of race and culture is one the subjects Mark and I would debate. I like the idea of just differentiating people just by their behavior. If you're a good guy, you're a good guy; and if you're a bad guy, you're a bad guy. It doesn't matter what the race. But often, given the circumstance you don't have that luxury. I do believe there are behaviors that are unique to certain races and cultures. Rap music and blasting it in your in car with your windows rolled down didn't start with Whites or Asians or Mexicans. Sure they do it now but gangsta culture has become more mainstream. But it started with Blacks. There is a reason that young adult males commit disproportionately commit the amount of violent crime in our society. It endemic in their culture. A culture that just happens to be Black. A culture that has arose because of their unique circumstances. It's not their skin color per se that causes their behavior anymore than being Asian makes you eat with chop sticks. But it is something that is encourage in the culture. Doing bad in school is not treated the same in a Japanese family then it is in a Black family. But it is their race that allows us to make this value judgement as it is associated with their culture. You can just look at a Black by the way they dress and the way they speak to determine what part of the Black culture they are from. Just like you can look at a White, Asian, Mexican... whatever and also make some very accurate value judgements.
When I was working with at risk kids I noticed that first and second generation Mexicans were great. Hard workers, very humble and polite. Always stays out of trouble. By the third generation they start to go bad. You can tell by the way they dress, talk and carry themselves.
When I moved from Hawaii to Cali I had no preconceived notions whatsoever of Blacks. I lived on the part of the island where there were no military bases so I had zero experience with Blacks. When I saw them in Cali I just associated them with Hawaiians, Tongans, Samoans. Just dark skinned people with kinky hair.
Being 18 and on my own I looked for the cheapest place I could find. I was told later that I was in a Black neighborhood. It was in Inglewood about 3 miles east of Crenshaw Bl. I was unaware how on the mainland people naturally segregated themselves by race. In Hawaii everyone is mixed so there was no Hawaiian, Oriental (as we called it), Filipino..., areas. The only real segregation (and racism) was with Whites (Haoles). They tended to live in the rich areas and are the ones that get beat up in school. There's actually a "Kill Haole" day just before Christmas vacation where Haoles are targeted.
So I had no preconceived notions of Blacks when I moved to Inglewood. I do now. With inner city Blacks all of life is seen through the prism of skin color and racism. Much like the Palestinians, they are taught from birth this idea of Victimology and entitlement. How society is against them and how White people are always keeping them down and the White man owes them for past transgressions. I was especially taken at the keep seated hostility and anger towards Whites in general. It's always about how they will one rise and destroy the White authoritarianism. It's how they justify a lot of their crime. Taking back what was taken from them.
Sometimes one does not have the luxury to make a detailed assessment of the situation at hand and only has to go by previous knowledge and personal experience as well as the experience of others. If having a choice between petting an Alaskan Malamute or a Timber Wolf the choice would be obvious. And I've never yet met a Timber Wolf.
We can't give special attention to everyone going through an airport check out so we have to, or should, discriminate. A six year old child or a Swedish grandmother should garner less suspicion than a young adult Muslim wh9o just bought his ticket an hour ago. During the Cold War we had an Iron curtain in which no one from the Soviet Union and other Communist countries were allowed free entry into the U.S. Maybe we should have an Iron Veil and a similar policy against Muslim from the Middle East.
I don't think these police had a bias towards Blacks because they were Blacks per se. Just like I had no bias towards Blacks because they were Blacks per se. But it was through first hand experience and the experience of others that developed this bias in me and a lot of police and a lot of everybody who they are too afraid to admit it. That's why when living in Inglewood I wouldn't go into a fast food place, or any place, that were filled with Blacks. Even if there was no trouble they were always loud, boisterous, profane and utterly, just utterly, oblivious to the effect they were having on people around them. Not to mention I was afraid. I had to drive to Torrance (White/Asian) or Rancho Palos Verdes (White/Asian/Jews) to watch a movie in a theatre in peace.
Same reason why a Taxi Driver, White or Black, won't pick up a Black passenger late at night. It is the behavior of the group or culture that developed the bias.
Right now I'm sitting in a food court in Kahaluu on the North East side of Oahu. It's a mostly local area on the other side of the more touristy Waikiki area so everybody here is pretty much dark/Black skin with kinky hair. I really have no feelings one way or the other. This is normal. I figure some are good and some are bad but everyone just pretty much behaves themselves. I feel in my element here. Two people here stand out like a full moon on a cloudless night. They are Mormons. Short cropped blonde hair and pale as a bleached white t-shirt. There they stand in line waiting for their order literally shinning in their white dress shirt, bow tie, and black dress pants. I know nothing about them but the economic cost of determining detailed information about them is not worth it. I just go by past experience and the preconceived notions and bias I have regarding Mormons. It is exceeding positive. They have just got their order and are heading my way. I will do what I always do when I cross paths with Mormons. I tip them a nod and greet them with a "How's it going Elders." Even though I think they're theology is a bit wacky seeing young Mormons on their mission always brings a smile to my face. Not many 18-19 years are willing to be sent all over the world to spread their faith. These are the lucky one. Drawing the Hawaii gig. Must suck seeing "Angola" on your plane ticket.
Here they come...... "How's it going, Elders?"
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The idea of race and culture is one the subjects Mark and I would debate. I like the idea of just differentiating people just by their behavior. If you're a good guy, you're a good guy; and if you're a bad guy, you're a bad guy. It doesn't matter what the race. But often, given the circumstance you don't have that luxury. I do believe there are behaviors that are unique to certain races and cultures. Rap music and blasting it in your in car with your windows rolled down didn't start with Whites or Asians or Mexicans. Sure they do it now but gangsta culture has become more mainstream. But it started with Blacks. There is a reason that young adult males commit disproportionately commit the amount of violent crime in our society. It endemic in their culture. A culture that just happens to be Black. A culture that has arose because of their unique circumstances. It's not their skin color per se that causes their behavior anymore than being Asian makes you eat with chop sticks. But it is something that is encourage in the culture. Doing bad in school is not treated the same in a Japanese family then it is in a Black family. But it is their race that allows us to make this value judgement as it is associated with their culture. You can just look at a Black by the way they dress and the way they speak to determine what part of the Black culture they are from. Just like you can look at a White, Asian, Mexican... whatever and also make some very accurate value judgements.
When I was working with at risk kids I noticed that first and second generation Mexicans were great. Hard workers, very humble and polite. Always stays out of trouble. By the third generation they start to go bad. You can tell by the way they dress, talk and carry themselves.
When I moved from Hawaii to Cali I had no preconceived notions whatsoever of Blacks. I lived on the part of the island where there were no military bases so I had zero experience with Blacks. When I saw them in Cali I just associated them with Hawaiians, Tongans, Samoans. Just dark skinned people with kinky hair.
Being 18 and on my own I looked for the cheapest place I could find. I was told later that I was in a Black neighborhood. It was in Inglewood about 3 miles east of Crenshaw Bl. I was unaware how on the mainland people naturally segregated themselves by race. In Hawaii everyone is mixed so there was no Hawaiian, Oriental (as we called it), Filipino..., areas. The only real segregation (and racism) was with Whites (Haoles). They tended to live in the rich areas and are the ones that get beat up in school. There's actually a "Kill Haole" day just before Christmas vacation where Haoles are targeted.
So I had no preconceived notions of Blacks when I moved to Inglewood. I do now. With inner city Blacks all of life is seen through the prism of skin color and racism. Much like the Palestinians, they are taught from birth this idea of Victimology and entitlement. How society is against them and how White people are always keeping them down and the White man owes them for past transgressions. I was especially taken at the keep seated hostility and anger towards Whites in general. It's always about how they will one rise and destroy the White authoritarianism. It's how they justify a lot of their crime. Taking back what was taken from them.
Sometimes one does not have the luxury to make a detailed assessment of the situation at hand and only has to go by previous knowledge and personal experience as well as the experience of others. If having a choice between petting an Alaskan Malamute or a Timber Wolf the choice would be obvious. And I've never yet met a Timber Wolf.
We can't give special attention to everyone going through an airport check out so we have to, or should, discriminate. A six year old child or a Swedish grandmother should garner less suspicion than a young adult Muslim wh9o just bought his ticket an hour ago. During the Cold War we had an Iron curtain in which no one from the Soviet Union and other Communist countries were allowed free entry into the U.S. Maybe we should have an Iron Veil and a similar policy against Muslim from the Middle East.
I don't think these police had a bias towards Blacks because they were Blacks per se. Just like I had no bias towards Blacks because they were Blacks per se. But it was through first hand experience and the experience of others that developed this bias in me and a lot of police and a lot of everybody who they are too afraid to admit it. That's why when living in Inglewood I wouldn't go into a fast food place, or any place, that were filled with Blacks. Even if there was no trouble they were always loud, boisterous, profane and utterly, just utterly, oblivious to the effect they were having on people around them. Not to mention I was afraid. I had to drive to Torrance (White/Asian) or Rancho Palos Verdes (White/Asian/Jews) to watch a movie in a theatre in peace.
Same reason why a Taxi Driver, White or Black, won't pick up a Black passenger late at night. It is the behavior of the group or culture that developed the bias.
Right now I'm sitting in a food court in Kahaluu on the North East side of Oahu. It's a mostly local area on the other side of the more touristy Waikiki area so everybody here is pretty much dark/Black skin with kinky hair. I really have no feelings one way or the other. This is normal. I figure some are good and some are bad but everyone just pretty much behaves themselves. I feel in my element here. Two people here stand out like a full moon on a cloudless night. They are Mormons. Short cropped blonde hair and pale as a bleached white t-shirt. There they stand in line waiting for their order literally shinning in their white dress shirt, bow tie, and black dress pants. I know nothing about them but the economic cost of determining detailed information about them is not worth it. I just go by past experience and the preconceived notions and bias I have regarding Mormons. It is exceeding positive. They have just got their order and are heading my way. I will do what I always do when I cross paths with Mormons. I tip them a nod and greet them with a "How's it going Elders." Even though I think they're theology is a bit wacky seeing young Mormons on their mission always brings a smile to my face. Not many 18-19 years are willing to be sent all over the world to spread their faith. These are the lucky one. Drawing the Hawaii gig. Must suck seeing "Angola" on your plane ticket.
Here they come...... "How's it going, Elders?" I'm racist.
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This made me laugh. ;D
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All due respect, Harley: Are you suggesting Fuhrman was the real bad guy in that circus?
I know you were impressed with Cochran and Bailey, understandable, but how about a little perspective here? The racist cop didn't murder anyone, and the two you hold in such high esteem helped get that fucker off.
This is insane, my friend.
Dear The Ugly,
When you ask about "the real bad guy" I think there is blame, on so many levels, to be prescribed to so many of the characters involved in the whole affair.
I have already explained my position on the "Defense Attorney" and if the State, starting from Gil Garcetti, the DA, and his pathetic prosecutors had a single clue
as to how to try a case, no one would've "gotten off."
Convict every murderer out there and I am fine, as long as it's done by the rules.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
Your response is great!!! I must however apologize that I have just awoken and am consuming my first cup of coffee before cardio and lack
the intellectual energy to properly ruminate about the many insightful points you have raised. I wish to respond later today when I have a chance
to properly put my thoughts together.
I thank you so much for innervating this intellectual debate on a sensitive topic while also keeping it honest and non-offensive.
This GetBig place is really a nice vacation from the crap we are all dealing with in the "real world."
Harley
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I understand how easily someone could have these ideas about Blacks. I do. But when you know many Blacks, you'll find they're just like everyone else. The whole range of personalities, just like with every other race on this planet.
But an officer like Fuhrman needs his clock punched. If the OJ case doesn't tell you that, I don't know what could.
Only reason this whole circus keeps running as it does, is because most Blacks don't have the money O.J. had.
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Dear The Ugly,
When you ask about "the real bad guy" I think there is blame on so many levels,to be prescribed to so many of the characters involved in the whole affair.
I have already explained my position on the "Defense Attorney" and if the State, starting from Gil Garcetti, the DA, and his pathetic prosecutors had a single clue
as to how to try a case, no one would've "gotten off."
Convict every murderer out there and I am fine, as long as it's done by the rules.
Harley
Sorry about the crypticism, I meant the one with the bloody butcher knife. Seemed like a fairly significant "level," but I could be wrong.
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Dear The Ugly,
Whoever killed those 2 innocent people is certainly, in my opinion, the "real bad guy."
The rest are all just products of a politically dictated broken machine running on the oil of mediocrity.
Harley
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Dear The Ugly,
Whoever killed those 2 innocent people is certainly, in my opinion, the "real bad guy."
The rest are all just products of a politically dictated broken machine running on the oil of mediocrity.
Harley
Agreed. Wonder how the search is progressing.
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I heard the Ramsey parents are assisting in finding the real killer.
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I think OJ snapped and did it. He did it in a fit of anger, I believe.
On this topic... Did anyone see the recently-released video of Simpson viewing his picture in the Bruno Magli shoes? (the ones he'd claimed didn't exist)
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I heard the Ramsey parents are assisting in finding the real killer.
What are your thoughts on this one, Harley?
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I understand how easily someone could have these ideas about Blacks. I do. But when you know many Blacks, you'll find they're just like everyone else. The whole range of personalities, just like with every other race on this planet.
But an officer like Fuhrman needs his clock punched. If the OJ case doesn't tell you that, I don't know what could.
Only reason this whole circus keeps running as it does, is because most Blacks don't have the money O.J. had.
You don't think there's anything unique about different races and cultures. Blacks, Jews, Chinese, White.... All the same. If Michael Brown was White or Asian then Whites or Asian would have been
out their burning and looting?
Living in an inner city gang infested neighborhood in the 1980s during the peak of the crack epidemic where the sound of gun fire was a common occurrence or standing high atop the Rockwell International building's helicopter pad in El Segundo, CA watching South Central Los Angeles go up in flames. With my binoculars I could clearly see Blacks, Black families -- women, children as well as men, breaking into stores burning and looting.
It does give one pause and perspective.
Not everybody is just like everybody else. That's the mistake many make when dealing, or determining how to deal, with terrorist.
And why does Furhman need to have his "clock punched"? Because he said the word "neegah" in a private interview?
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What are your thoughts on this one, Harley?
This, id like to hear also
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This, id like to hear also
What are your thoughts on it, AoO?
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I don't know a lot about this one, but would like to know more.
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You don't think there's anything unique about different races and cultures. Blacks, Jews, Chinese, White.... All the same. If Michael Brown was White or Asian then Whites or Asian would have been
out their burning and looting?
Living in an inner city gang infested neighborhood in the 1980s during the peak of the crack epidemic where the sound of gun fire was a common occurrence or standing high atop the Rockwell International building's helicopter pad in El Segundo, CA watching South Central Los Angeles go up in flames. With my binoculars I could clearly see Blacks, Black families -- women, children as well as men, breaking into stores burning and looting.
It does give one pause and perspective.
Not everybody is just like everybody else. That's the mistake many make when dealing, or determining how to deal, with terrorist.
yes, we are creatures of culture, but at the same time we are so much more than that.
And why does Furhman need to have his "clock punched"? Because he said the word "neegah" in a private interview?
because when someone acts as he does as an officer, it leaves too much room to fuck things up (exactly what happened, in other words)
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What are your thoughts on this one, Harley?
Dear Las Vegas,
The Ramsey case is one of the most interesting in terms of police investigation. Do you know how many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars and how many THOUSANDS of
man hours were spent on this investigation? It is staggering.
Yet, there was not enough evidence to indict either parent. Astonishing.
It is difficult to believe that in this day and age with all of your technological advances that the parents could've killed that girl without both: 1) Giving each other up during an
interrogation and 2) enough evidence being gathered to rise to the level of a mere Indictment.
It strains credibility to believe that the father snapped and then took control of his wife so that she wouldn't crack to the police AND THEN not enough evidence is obtained to indict!!
There is something wrong here unless the parents are truly innocent but that his not usually how these cases happen.
I say the aforementioned statement ONLY because JonBenet suffered serious head trauma and was then strangled. That is a duel type of manner of death and also very violent.
The reason that is important is that it seems to have gone on beyond the point of "losing control" or "heat of passion." This manner of death took a bit of time and appears to have
more than just rage behind it; it appears to have "purpose."
Odd that the parents report her missing but yet hours later, it is the POLICE who find the victim in the family basement.
Also odd, a grand jury found probable cause to indict the parents but the DA himself disagreed and didn't move forward with the indictment. That NEVER happens. It demonstrates
to me that the case was presented for the purpose of having the Grand Jury "No Bill" it and put the case to its final rest. But that backfired on the DA and he took a most rare
and unconventional tactic.
Odd too, that the Dad would go so far as to prepare the requested ransom which was a specifically requested some related to some payout the Dad had or was going to receive. This
is far from the kind of thing a guilty person does. They just don't act that way.
There was, if I remember correctly, a stranger's DNA on some article of the victim's clothing and a large number of burglaries in that area, although I believe it was a well to do
neighborhood.
In summary, I think someone came in to burglarize the home, came across the girl who probably screamed and the intruder panicked and killed her.
Harley
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and there was more info to say he'd used the word "nigger" under other circumstances, as well...
i'm not trying to exactly say what that amounts to, but it is whatever you take it to be.
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Dear Las Vegas,
The Ramsey case is one of the most interesting in terms of police investigation. Do you know how many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars and how many THOUSANDS of
man hours were spent on this investigation? It is staggering.
Yet, there was not enough evidence to indict either parent. Astonishing.
It is difficult to believe that in this day and age with all of your technological advances that the parents could've killed that girl without both: 1) Giving each other up during an
interrogation and 2) enough evidence being gathered to rise to the level of a mere Indictment.
It strains credibility to believe that the father snapped and then took control of his wife so that she wouldn't crack to the police AND THEN not enough evidence is obtained to indict!!
There is something wrong here unless the parents are truly innocent but that his not usually how these cases happen.
I say the aforementioned statement ONLY because JonBenet suffered serious head trauma and was then strangled. That is a duel type of manner of death and also very violent.
The reason that is important is that it seems to have gone on beyond the point of "losing control" or "heat of passion." This manner of death took a bit of time and appears to have
more than just rage behind it; it appears to have "purpose."
Odd that the parents report her missing but yet hours later, it is the POLICE who find the victim in the family basement.
Also odd, a grand jury found probable cause to indict the parents but the DA himself disagreed and didn't move forward with the indictment. That NEVER happens. It demonstrates
to me that the case was presented for the purpose of having the Grand Jury "No Bill" it and put the case to its final rest. But that backfired on the DA and he took a most rare
and unconventional tactic.
Odd too, that the Dad would go so far as to prepare the requested ransom which was a specifically requested some related to some payout the Dad had or was going to receive. This
is far from the kind of thing a guilty person does. They just don't act that way.
There was, if I remember correctly, a stranger's DNA on some article of the victim's clothing and a large number of burglaries in that area, although I believe it was a well to do
neighborhood.
In summary, I think someone came in to burglarize the home, came across the girl who probably screamed and the intruder panicked and killed her.
Harley
harley, would it make sense if they were trying to protect the son?
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What are your thoughts on it, AoO?
Read about it for years.After the book 'foreign faction', most people now think the son did it, then the parents covered it up, as the author also alludes in the book.I agree with that and its where most of the evidence, parents actions after etc leads.
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Dear Las Vegas,
The Ramsey case is one of the most interesting in terms of police investigation. Do you know how many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars and how many THOUSANDS of
man hours were spent on this investigation? It is staggering.
Yet, there was not enough evidence to indict either parent. Astonishing.
It is difficult to believe that in this day and age with all of your technological advances that the parents could've killed that girl without both: 1) Giving each other up during an
interrogation and 2) enough evidence being gathered to rise to the level of a mere Indictment.
It strains credibility to believe that the father snapped and then took control of his wife so that she wouldn't crack to the police AND THEN not enough evidence is obtained to indict!!
There is something wrong here unless the parents are truly innocent but that his not usually how these cases happen.
I say the aforementioned statement ONLY because JonBenet suffered serious head trauma and was then strangled. That is a duel type of manner of death and also very violent.
The reason that is important is that it seems to have gone on beyond the point of "losing control" or "heat of passion." This manner of death took a bit of time and appears to have
more than just rage behind it; it appears to have "purpose."
Odd that the parents report her missing but yet hours later, it is the POLICE who find the victim in the family basement.
Also odd, a grand jury found probable cause to indict the parents but the DA himself disagreed and didn't move forward with the indictment. That NEVER happens. It demonstrates
to me that the case was presented for the purpose of having the Grand Jury "No Bill" it and put the case to its final rest. But that backfired on the DA and he took a most rare
and unconventional tactic.
Odd too, that the Dad would go so far as to prepare the requested ransom which was a specifically requested some related to some payout the Dad had or was going to receive. This
is far from the kind of thing a guilty person does. They just don't act that way.
There was, if I remember correctly, a stranger's DNA on some article of the victim's clothing and a large number of burglaries in that area, although I believe it was a well to do
neighborhood.
In summary, I think someone came in to burglarize the home, came across the girl who probably screamed and the intruder panicked and killed her.
Harley
The father found the girl, not the police, and he went practically straight to her.Ransom wasn't prepared, family were told to stay off the phone in the ransom note, and ignored the 'kidnappers' request, inviting the world and his wife in to their home.The stranger DNA profile is so weak it could have come from the factory of her clothing by a worker.The head bash came first, and its theorised whoever garrotted her, likely did it for staging, not realising jonbenet actually wasn't dead.
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and there was more info to say he'd used the word "nigger" under other circumstances, as well...
i'm not trying to exactly say what that amounts to, but it is whatever you take it to be.
How come that bad word typed up for you?
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harley, would it make sense if they were trying to protect the son?
Dear Las Vegas,
Their behavior would make sense if the kid did it but there was a ransom note, the kid was a very young kid at the time if I remember well
and there was DNA that wasn't his on the victim.
Harley
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The father found the girl, not the police, and he went practically straight to her.Ransom wasn't prepared, family were told to stay off the phone in the ransom note, and ignored the 'kidnappers' request, inviting the world and his wife in to their home.The stranger DNA profile is so weak it could have come from the factory of her clothing by a worker.The head bash came first, and its theorised whoever garrotted her, likely did it for staging, not realising jonbenet actually wasn't dead.
Didn't the police tell him to go look in the basement?
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How come that bad word typed up for you?
i know you understand that it wasn't used in any way but exactly as it appears, so i am counting on you to defend me if the mods come after it.
next time you need to use a word like that to make your point (because i know that's why you'd use it), pm me and i'll show you
or someone will mention it on here
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Dear Las Vegas,
Their behavior would make sense if the kid did it but there was a ransom note, the kid was a very young kid at the time if I remember well
and there was DNA that wasn't his on the victim.
Harley
what was chance mom wrote note
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Didn't the police tell him to go look in the basement?
A basement he'd already checked once before, as had neighbour fleet white.As soon as the police asked him to recheck he goes straight to the dark room of the multi room basement she is in, throws himself on her, carries her upstairs where his wife throws herself on her....
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what was chance mom wrote note
I would bet the house the State had a Forensic Handwriting Expert analyze the note. Also, the Mom would've had to write it pretty fast
as the body couldn't have been dead so long and she would've had to destroy the pad, pen, etc.
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I would bet the house the State had a Forensic Handwriting Expert analyze the note. Also, the Mom would've had to write it pretty fast
as the body couldn't have been dead so long and she would've had to destroy the pad, pen, etc.
Mom had 5 hours to write the note after jonbenets death and calling the police.when the police arrived she was also wearing the same clothes she wore the evening before, as if she hadn't even been to bed.The pen and notepad were in the house, and they were Patsy's own.
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Dear Army of One,
You are clearly more learned on this case than am I as I am working off my poor memory.
However, there is quite a bit of cleaning required I am sure and some quick hiding of objects and materials
used in the killing.
Again, I don't know who did it, I wasn't there and neither was anyone else here on GetBig so that is what makes
it all so fascinating.
The fact that a father rushes and grabs his dead young daughter doesn't mean a thing to me as everyone grieves
differently.
I have lived with both my parents my whole life and when my Dad passed almost 2 years ago, people were wondering
how I would respond. I never cried in public but found myself wailing away in a quiet, lonely room in the house when no one
was around. Perhaps to the outside world, I didn't grieve "publicly" enough but no one knows what someone is truly feeling
in their heart.
Now, my Mom is a different story as we are very very close (and NO INCEST). I am sure I will be shattered and leave my entire
work for at least 6 months. Probably finally follow my dream to fight bare-knuckle in Burma.
Harley
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Mom had 5 hours to write the note after jonbenets death and calling the police.when the police arrived she was also wearing the same clothes she wore the evening before, as if she hadn't even been to bed.The pen and notepad were in the house, and they were Patsy's own.
So what did the State's hired gun have to say as to who wrote the note? I bet not the wife.
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(http://www.writinganalysis.com/images/ramsey_big.gif)
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Damn, you guys can find anything on the internet. I better keep myself clean.
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So what did the State's hired gun have to say as to who wrote the note? I bet not the wife.
From memory of 70 or so people close to the crime scene they got samples of, Patsy was the only one they could not definitively rule out, although low probability.Out in the wild a large amount of experts believe its her writing.Normally I wouldn't use a forum as any kind of basis, but the Ramsey case is biggest crime sub forum on the biggest crime forum on the internet.These people have been dissecting the note for years and this is their thoughts.The poll results are typical.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?121568-The-ransom-note-amp-Patsy-Ramsey-letter-by-letter
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Hey Guys,
Am I being a bitch or is cutting your calories (while blowing up your cardio) far more painful and difficult with which to deal
than having to eat all "clean" food?
Doing both at the same time is what it is all about but I am finding the "calorie cut" much more difficult than the clean food.
How do you guys deal with it?
And by now, I can't even look at those fucking Quest Peanut Butter Cups. Quest sucks as they keep changing their ingredients.
Harley
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Dear Army of One,
I defer to you on all things Ramsey.
I just don't know that I would find her, or anyone else guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" but who cares what I think.
The topic is fascinating.
Harley
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Dear Army of One,
"Pizza" is YOUR killer? I was getting fat on pizza when your parents were just dating one another.
Seriously, I could kill for a pie right now. It's Saturday night, I am working and I fought with 2 incredibly arrogant
judges yesterday to the point where I had a headache from their nasty treatment of me.
Years ago, I had a client who owned a pizzeria. The joint was literally a 90 second ride from my house.
Here was the deal: I gave them free legal advice and EVERY Friday night I would come by for a double layered cheese and
double layered pepperoni pie for free.
They were my favorite clients until their landlord pushed them out.
Heaven can be found in that look your dog gives you when he is saying, "I don't care what the rest of the world thinks of you, I love you",
finding that perfect peanut butter/chocolate dessert and of course, an orgasm with a really hot chick.
BUT, when all is considered, that pie I previously mentioned is as much mourned and missed by me than ANY stripper I ever met.
Share in my lamentation or eat heartily of that pie tonight, for me, my friend.
Sad and Hungry,
Harley
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Dear Army of One,
As per my weight, I am weighing in officially every Monday morning to start that week of the Diet.
Announcing my goal on GetBig was quite terrifying but I must day, you guys have been very supportive and it really has helped.
I started last year at 227 lbs and started this phase of my diet at 212 lbs. I am aiming for 167 lbs in 12 more weeks from this Monday.
Of course, if I have enough muscle and am in the right condition before I hit 167 lbs, I wouldn't lose any more weight.
Once I hit that bottom number and my ultimate catabolic state, I will look to maintain at 180-185 lbs.
I do great until late at night when my hunger goes nuts and I want to eat something that has taste and have that great "food-coma"
induced sleep.
Well, not much that is worthwhile comes easily so I will stop my bitching and when I am no longer fat and embarrassing, I will be most
thankful that I stuck with and most appreciative to GetBig for all the help.
When this documentary is done, it really is going to be a nice little film to show all the haters that they shouldn't knock anyone while he is down.
Harley
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harley, i know that most people probably don't realize how hard it is to stop eating things with significant amounts of sugar. (probably not the case w you)
but when someone is used to having sugar every day or most days and that person tries to stop, it can cause crazy powerful mental reactions.
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Dear Army of One,
"Pizza" is YOUR killer? I was getting fat on pizza when your parents were just dating one another.
Seriously, I could kill for a pie right now. It's Saturday night, I am working and I fought with 2 incredibly arrogant
judges yesterday to the point where I had a headache from their nasty treatment of me.
Years ago, I had a client who owned a pizzeria. The joint was literally a 90 second ride from my house.
Here was the deal: I gave them free legal advice and EVERY Friday night I would come by for a double layered cheese and
double layered pepperoni pie for free.
They were my favorite clients until their landlord pushed them out.
Heaven can be found in that look your dog gives you when he is saying, "I don't care what the rest of the world thinks of you, I love you",
finding that perfect peanut butter/chocolate dessert and of course, an orgasm with a really hot chick.
BUT, when all is considered, that pie I previously mentioned is as much mourned and missed by me than ANY stripper I ever met.
Share in my lamentation or eat heartily of that pie tonight, for me, my friend.
Sad and Hungry,
Harley
The free legal advice can open so many doors!I can literally eat 5000 calories of pizza in a sitting and still be hungry, my maintenance and what I actually want to eat is so far apart that I'm sure its abnormal.I agree there is nothing like the gaze of the unconditional love of a pet, makes the end of a hard day more bearable.
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harley, i know that most people probably don't realize how hard it is to stop eating things with significant amounts of sugar. (probably not the case w you)
but when someone is used to having sugar every day or most days and that person tries to stop, it can cause crazy powerful mental reactions.
Dear Las Vegas,
Poignant of you to note that sugar is a drug. Coffee is a drug. It's just that neither are legislated or scheduled as drugs.
I wake up at night, 2:00 am, 3:00 am and somehow walk in a daze to find myself staring into the refrigerator asking myself, "why do I care if I have abs?"
The cold cuts are calling, the peanut butter is screaming and the Nutella is like the heroin that once ran through the corroded veins of Keith Richards.
So far, this time, I have closed the door in utter disgust and left to answer my aching belly with the thought of having to be naked one more time and feeling
that sense of embarrassment. That sickening feeling usually lifts me back to my bed.
Harley
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I like you Harley.
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I like you Harley.
Dear Irongrip400,
Would you mind if I ask why?
Harley
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hey harley i would say cutting sugar was the hardest thing bar far i fucking love coke, the kind you drink of course.
i allow myself to drink something sugary once or twice per week, i do cardio twice per day on a low cal diet. and let me tell you
sometimes that coke picks my ass right up . i montior my weight very closely every single day its a fucking bitch. my biggest problem
is eating enough when you eat super clean it is hard to get in enough calories .
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i think with sugar, it is possible to come to a point where someone can actually go full swing and begin to reject the thought of eating it (sickened to think of eating it in its typical concentration, in fact).
the taste of natural sugar then comes out in everything, including vegetables!
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hey harley i would say cutting sugar was the hardest thing bar far i fucking love coke, the kind you drink of course.
i allow myself to drink something sugary once or twice per week, i do cardio twice per day on a low cal diet. and let me tell you
sometimes that coke picks my ass right up . i montior my weight very closely every single day its a fucking bitch. my biggest problem
is eating enough when you eat super clean it is hard to get in enough calories .
I am addicted to Diet Coke so I am lucky.
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From memory of 70 or so people close to the crime scene they got samples of, Patsy was the only one they could not definitively rule out, although low probability.Out in the wild a large amount of experts believe its her writing.Normally I wouldn't use a forum as any kind of basis, but the Ramsey case is biggest crime sub forum on the biggest crime forum on the internet.These people have been dissecting the note for years and this is their thoughts.The poll results are typical.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?121568-The-ransom-note-amp-Patsy-Ramsey-letter-by-letter
great find!!
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i think with sugar, it is possible to come to a point where someone can actually go full swing and begin to reject the thought of eating it (sickened to think of eating it in its typical concentration, in fact).
the taste of natural sugar then comes out in everything, including vegetables!
Dear Las Vegas,
I love you but are you NUTS!!!!
Reject sugar, chocolate, cheese and carbs (which turn into you know what)?
The absence of these bits of heaven serves only to prove that they are practically indispensable to a happy life. LOL
I remain your biggest fan while still craving and never to come to a point of rejecting the universe's greatest gift to mankind-- sugar and all good tasting food.
Harley
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harley i love diet coke to .
when i am feeling really drained, ill drink some regular coke for quick calories.
of course ill make sure i do an hr and a half of cardio the next morning, i monitor my weight very closely.
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Dear Irongrip400,
Would you mind if I ask why?
Harley
You are a great contributor around here Harley.
Also seem a very polite and friendly individual.
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harley i love diet coke to .
when i am feeling really drained, ill drink some regular coke for quick calories.
of course ill make sure i do an hr and a half of cardio the next morning, i monitor my weight very closely.
I drink diet coke like its water, I generally have a rule that I wont drink anything that has calories, apart from the odd night out drinking.
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I drink diet coke like its water, I generally have a rule that I wont drink anything that has calories, apart from the odd night out drinking.
I did this when cutting (oh brother) once, it is seriously the best and easiest way by far to diet. You don't even have to change what you eat at all, just replace everything you drink with water.
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Dear Las Vegas,
I love you but are you NUTS!!!!
Reject sugar, chocolate, cheese and carbs (which turn into you know what)?
The absence of these bits of heaven serves only to prove that they are practically indispensable to a happy life. LOL
I remain your biggest fan while still craving and never to come to a point of rejecting the universe's greatest gift to mankind-- sugar and all good tasting food.
Harley
it seems crazy, but that is a process you could see through. the feelings that cause you to think these things are a happy refuge or a wonderful trigger of some kind etc can disappear like they hadn't really existed. such a strange thing, really. absolutely amazing when you think about it.
but the best thing parents can do for their children is to direct them in a way that does NOT include sugar
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You are a great contributor around here Harley.
Also seem a very polite and friendly individual.
Dear Hulkotron,
Thank you for the compliment. I asked him because I was wondering if there was something in particular which I wrote that struck him.
This type of communication (not sure what you guys call it-- threading?) has a beautiful way of hiding one's flaws and shortcomings, at least mine hopefully.
Harley
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Dear Irongrip400,
Would you mind if I ask why?
Harley
You're just a straight shooter with middle management written all over you. ;D
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You're just a straight shooter with middle management written all over you. ;D
I'm a Michael Bolton fan, I really am
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where else did u go in south america, harley?
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and did you travel a lot when you were a kid/teen?
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You're just a straight shooter with middle management written all over you. ;D
Dear Irongrip400,
Thanks but I am not sure what that middle management thing means but I am sure it's nice.
I had a fear as a kid that I would have to work for The Man every day in a cubicle wearing a suit.
One day, if there is interest I will tell you the crazy proposal I gave to my idiot uncle at Passover dinner in front of 29 relatives
when I was 15 (it included banging strippers and marrying a black woman).
Harley
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it seems crazy, but that is a process you could see through. the feelings that cause you to think these things are a happy refuge or a wonderful trigger of some kind etc can disappear like they hadn't really existed. such a strange thing, really. absolutely amazing when you think about it.
best thing parents can do for their children is to direct them in a way that does NOT include sugar
Dear Las Vegas,
When I eat Nutella, I am sure that serotonin is oozing through my cells in rapid fire succession.
But I do agree, the parents who can raise their kids on good food are doing them a favor.
Not sure if you are familiar with the UFC fighter, Uriah Faber. I didn't particularly like him until I read his quirky "autobiography" slash
Tony Robbins How To Live Your Life. When you look at him today, he is consistent with the way in which he was raised.
Harley
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where else did u go in south america, harley?
Dear Las Vegas,
I was retained by the Leader of a Colombian drug cartel and I had to visit him there before getting the case.
That was an incredible experience but one that would be met with harsh skepticism if I wrote about it here.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I was retained by the Leader of a Colombian drug cartel and I had to visit him there before getting the case.
That was an incredible experience but one that would be met with harsh skepticism if I wrote about it here.
Harley
oh, you are the one guy on this site who'd be believed, though...
i would absolutely love to hear it
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Dear Las Vegas,
When I eat Nutella, I am sure that serotonin is oozing through my cells in rapid fire succession.
But I do agree, the parents who can raise their kids on good food are doing them a favor.
Not sure if you are familiar with the UFC fighter, Uriah Faber. I didn't particularly like him until I read his quirky "autobiography" slash
Tony Robbins How To Live Your Life. When you look at him today, he is consistent with the way in which he was raised.
Harley
;D i am one of probably less than ten ppl on GB who don't know anyone or anything in ufc, mma, etc....
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Dear Irongrip400,
Thanks but I am not sure what that middle management thing means but I am sure it's nice.
I had a fear as a kid that I would have to work for The Man every day in a cubicle wearing a suit.
One day, if there is interest I will tell you the crazy proposal I gave to my idiot uncle at Passover dinner in front of 29 relatives
when I was 15 (it included banging strippers and marrying a black woman).
Harley
was this a prediction, harley? ;D
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Dear Irongrip400,
Thanks but I am not sure what that middle management thing means but I am sure it's nice.
I had a fear as a kid that I would have to work for The Man every day in a cubicle wearing a suit.
One day, if there is interest I will tell you the crazy proposal I gave to my idiot uncle at Passover dinner in front of 29 relatives
when I was 15 (it included banging strippers and marrying a black woman).
Harley
You're a Polish/German Jew, right?
As for the rest, I would like to hear the stripper story.
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I was arrested in Caracas, Venezuela. Those bastards.
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I was arrested in Caracas, Venezuela. Those bastards.
were you really??
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67 Chevelle. Nice.
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were you really??
Absolutely true. Did 33 days in their main jail. Never left the jail. No prison time there.
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because when someone acts as he does as an officer, it leaves too much room to fuck things up (exactly what happened, in other words)
Specifically what did he do to "fuck things up"?
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Hafley this is a serious question but when you where a new defense lawyer and defended some rapist of pedo or something like that was it hard emotional or where you good putting ypur own feelings in a locker and just do the job? I think it would be hard for me to defend a pedo but i guess you get numb after a time and just dp your job cause there is a reason we have defense lawyers.
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Specifically what did he do to "fuck things up"?
Prejudiced or not, I'd bet anything the guy was an excellent cop.
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Absolutely true. Did 33 days in their main jail. Never left the jail. No prison time there.
tommy, will you say the nature of the trouble? don't feel like you need to, though, if you don't want to say (just ignore this if u want)
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Specifically what did he do to "fuck things up"?
can you see how many people will not trust a thing he presents? (claims to find, what he says, etc. etc.)
???
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Dear Las Vegas,
The Ramsey case is one of the most interesting in terms of police investigation. Do you know how many HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars and how many THOUSANDS of
man hours were spent on this investigation? It is staggering.
Yet, there was not enough evidence to indict either parent. Astonishing.
It is difficult to believe that in this day and age with all of your technological advances that the parents could've killed that girl without both: 1) Giving each other up during an
interrogation and 2) enough evidence being gathered to rise to the level of a mere Indictment.
It strains credibility to believe that the father snapped and then took control of his wife so that she wouldn't crack to the police AND THEN not enough evidence is obtained to indict!!
There is something wrong here unless the parents are truly innocent but that his not usually how these cases happen.
I say the aforementioned statement ONLY because JonBenet suffered serious head trauma and was then strangled. That is a duel type of manner of death and also very violent.
The reason that is important is that it seems to have gone on beyond the point of "losing control" or "heat of passion." This manner of death took a bit of time and appears to have
more than just rage behind it; it appears to have "purpose."
Odd that the parents report her missing but yet hours later, it is the POLICE who find the victim in the family basement.
Also odd, a grand jury found probable cause to indict the parents but the DA himself disagreed and didn't move forward with the indictment. That NEVER happens. It demonstrates
to me that the case was presented for the purpose of having the Grand Jury "No Bill" it and put the case to its final rest. But that backfired on the DA and he took a most rare
and unconventional tactic.
Odd too, that the Dad would go so far as to prepare the requested ransom which was a specifically requested some related to some payout the Dad had or was going to receive. This
is far from the kind of thing a guilty person does. They just don't act that way.
There was, if I remember correctly, a stranger's DNA on some article of the victim's clothing and a large number of burglaries in that area, although I believe it was a well to do
neighborhood.
In summary, I think someone came in to burglarize the home, came across the girl who probably screamed and the intruder panicked and killed her.
Harley
harley...i meant to ask how you'd say the note fits into this (the bold part)
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From memory of 70 or so people close to the crime scene they got samples of, Patsy was the only one they could not definitively rule out, although low probability.Out in the wild a large amount of experts believe its her writing.Normally I wouldn't use a forum as any kind of basis, but the Ramsey case is biggest crime sub forum on the biggest crime forum on the internet.These people have been dissecting the note for years and this is their thoughts.The poll results are typical.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?121568-The-ransom-note-amp-Patsy-Ramsey-letter-by-letter
Another interesting thread from the site:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?144585-What-do-Burke-s-interviews-tell-us
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and did you travel a lot when you were a kid/teen?
Dear Las Vegas,
My Dad cajoled a trip to Disney every winter as part of a medical convention so that was really kool. It's a great place for kids and it truly
is magical until you become old, cynical, can't stand crowds, can't stand screaming kids and oh yes, have to pay for the trip and the $7.50 hot dog.
I went to summer camp every summer so I didn't need to travel much as a young kid. Also, my parents went away for 3 weeks every summer by themselves.
My Dad had been to over 24 different countries throughout his lifetime.
When I graduated high school (the day after I completed my 4 credit Chemistry class in college) I traveled to London and then Germany with a friend of mine. It was
really great being 17 years old and seeing other cultures (and not getting proofed for beer and wine).
Harley
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was this a prediction, harley? ;D
Dear Las Vegas,
It was a prediction as to my future life made while I was only 15 years old.
Harley
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You're a Polish/German Jew, right?
As for the rest, I would like to hear the stripper story.
Dear Irongrip400,
My Dad was a "Polish Jew" which in Poland, put you on the absolute bottom of the barrel.
As for me, I am a citizen of the world not needing synthetic religious labels to tell people who I am or what I feel.
Harley
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Hafley this is a serious question but when you where a new defense lawyer and defended some rapist of pedo or something like that was it hard emotional or where you good putting ypur own feelings in a locker and just do the job? I think it would be hard for me to defend a pedo but i guess you get numb after a time and just dp your job cause there is a reason we have defense lawyers.
Dear Kim Jong Bob,
I had no issue ever representing the most disgusting of society's transgressors. As I have often written, it's not the crime, but the illegal process and prosecution I need to prevent.
Preventing crime is someone else's job.
You are not alone in feeling difficulty in representing sexual offenders. That is most understandable. It should never be confused that I condone such behavior. That is certainly not the case.
There were just 2 pedophile cases that I can't shake from my memory and I have represented thousands of them. Not even sure GetBig could handle the facts of those 2 cases.
Harley
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harley...i meant to ask how you'd say the note fits into this (the bold part)
Dear Las Vegas,
The note is just a piece of physical evidence that "could have" undeniably proved it was the wife.
The summary is just what I feel most likely happened as I am a subscriber to Occam's Razor when the answer is remains hidden.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
The note is just a piece of physical evidence that "could have" undeniably proved it was the wife.
The summary is just what I feel most likely happened as I am a subscriber to Occam's Razor when the answer is remains hidden.
Harley
But as to an intruder coming across the girl and killing her: Who would have the incentive to write the note?
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
I had no issue ever representing the most disgusting of society's transgressors. As I have often written, it's not the crime, but the illegal process and prosecution I need to prevent.
Preventing crime is someone else's job.
You are not alone in feeling difficulty in representing sexual offenders. That is most understandable. It should never be confused that I condone such behavior. That is certainly not the case.
There were just 2 pedophile cases that I can't shake from my memory and I have represented thousands of them. Not even sure GetBig could handle the facts of those 2 cases.
Harley
Dear Harley,
But your job is to help criminals get the lowest possible jail time. Therefore, you're partly responsible for the many child molesters who get minimal sentences and are released, then abuse more children. Harley, do you agree with this? I mean, you are advocating for them to get minimal sentences. Why would you want to see a child molester let out of jail early or only serve a minimal sentence?
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Dear Las Vegas,
The note is just a piece of physical evidence that "could have" undeniably proved it was the wife.
The summary is just what I feel most likely happened as I am a subscriber to Occam's Razor when the answer is remains hidden.
Harley
Surely Occam's Razor would suggest a family member, as the statistics show its far more likely than an intruder/stranger?
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Good little read on it: http://www.westword.com/news/jonbenet-ramsey-how-the-investigation-got-derailed-and-why-it-still-matters-6053856
Interesting how Priscilla White insists that Patsy changed her handwriting after the death.
The Ramseys maintained that it was the Whites who broke off contact. For a little while, the Whites continued to receive little notes and cards from the Ramseys, but nothing they regarded as a serious invitation to get together. Priscilla noticed that Patsy's handwriting was different, altered in several respects from what it had been before the death of JonBenét.
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But as to an intruder coming across the girl and killing her: Who would have the incentive to write the note?
There isn't one, unless you subscribe to the scenario where he breaks in to the home before the family arrive back, and writes the note before killing her, on the mothers stationary no less.I think more likely the killer would just write the note at his own home beforehand if going down that route.
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Dear Harley,
But your job is to help criminals get the lowest possible jail time. Therefore, you're partly responsible for the many child molesters who get minimal sentences and are released, then abuse more children. Harley, do you agree with this? I mean, you are advocating for them to get minimal sentences. Why would you want to see a child molester let out of jail early or only serve a minimal sentence?
Are you saying no one should defend them? What are you saying?
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There isn't one, unless you subscribe to the scenario where he breaks in to the home before the family arrive back, and writes the note before killing her, on the mothers stationary no less.I think more likely the killer would just write the note at his own home beforehand if going down that route.
To say nothing of the fact that a killing would defeat the entire purpose of the note.
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The idea of race and culture is one the subjects Mark and I would debate. I like the idea of just differentiating people just by their behavior. If you're a good guy, you're a good guy; and if you're a bad guy, you're a bad guy. It doesn't matter what the race. But often, given the circumstance you don't have that luxury. I do believe there are behaviors that are unique to certain races and cultures. Rap music and blasting it in your in car with your windows rolled down didn't start with Whites or Asians or Mexicans. Sure they do it now but gangsta culture has become more mainstream. But it started with Blacks. There is a reason that young adult males commit disproportionately commit the amount of violent crime in our society. It endemic in their culture. A culture that just happens to be Black. A culture that has arose because of their unique circumstances. It's not their skin color per se that causes their behavior anymore than being Asian makes you eat with chop sticks. But it is something that is encourage in the culture. Doing bad in school is not treated the same in a Japanese family then it is in a Black family. But it is their race that allows us to make this value judgement as it is associated with their culture. You can just look at a Black by the way they dress and the way they speak to determine what part of the Black culture they are from. Just like you can look at a White, Asian, Mexican... whatever and also make some very accurate value judgements.
When I was working with at risk kids I noticed that first and second generation Mexicans were great. Hard workers, very humble and polite. Always stays out of trouble. By the third generation they start to go bad. You can tell by the way they dress, talk and carry themselves.
When I moved from Hawaii to Cali I had no preconceived notions whatsoever of Blacks. I lived on the part of the island where there were no military bases so I had zero experience with Blacks. When I saw them in Cali I just associated them with Hawaiians, Tongans, Samoans. Just dark skinned people with kinky hair.
Being 18 and on my own I looked for the cheapest place I could find. I was told later that I was in a Black neighborhood. It was in Inglewood about 3 miles east of Crenshaw Bl. I was unaware how on the mainland people naturally segregated themselves by race. In Hawaii everyone is mixed so there was no Hawaiian, Oriental (as we called it), Filipino..., areas. The only real segregation (and racism) was with Whites (Haoles). They tended to live in the rich areas and are the ones that get beat up in school. There's actually a "Kill Haole" day just before Christmas vacation where Haoles are targeted.
So I had no preconceived notions of Blacks when I moved to Inglewood. I do now. With inner city Blacks all of life is seen through the prism of skin color and racism. Much like the Palestinians, they are taught from birth this idea of Victimology and entitlement. How society is against them and how White people are always keeping them down and the White man owes them for past transgressions. I was especially taken at the keep seated hostility and anger towards Whites in general. It's always about how they will one rise and destroy the White authoritarianism. It's how they justify a lot of their crime. Taking back what was taken from them.
Sometimes one does not have the luxury to make a detailed assessment of the situation at hand and only has to go by previous knowledge and personal experience as well as the experience of others. If having a choice between petting an Alaskan Malamute or a Timber Wolf the choice would be obvious. And I've never yet met a Timber Wolf.
We can't give special attention to everyone going through an airport check out so we have to, or should, discriminate. A six year old child or a Swedish grandmother should garner less suspicion than a young adult Muslim wh9o just bought his ticket an hour ago. During the Cold War we had an Iron curtain in which no one from the Soviet Union and other Communist countries were allowed free entry into the U.S. Maybe we should have an Iron Veil and a similar policy against Muslim from the Middle East.
I don't think these police had a bias towards Blacks because they were Blacks per se. Just like I had no bias towards Blacks because they were Blacks per se. But it was through first hand experience and the experience of others that developed this bias in me and a lot of police and a lot of everybody who they are too afraid to admit it. That's why when living in Inglewood I wouldn't go into a fast food place, or any place, that were filled with Blacks. Even if there was no trouble they were always loud, boisterous, profane and utterly, just utterly, oblivious to the effect they were having on people around them. Not to mention I was afraid. I had to drive to Torrance (White/Asian) or Rancho Palos Verdes (White/Asian/Jews) to watch a movie in a theatre in peace.
Same reason why a Taxi Driver, White or Black, won't pick up a Black passenger late at night. It is the behavior of the group or culture that developed the bias.
Right now I'm sitting in a food court in Kahaluu on the North East side of Oahu. It's a mostly local area on the other side of the more touristy Waikiki area so everybody here is pretty much dark/Black skin with kinky hair. I really have no feelings one way or the other. This is normal. I figure some are good and some are bad but everyone just pretty much behaves themselves. I feel in my element here. Two people here stand out like a full moon on a cloudless night. They are Mormons. Short cropped blonde hair and pale as a bleached white t-shirt. There they stand in line waiting for their order literally shinning in their white dress shirt, bow tie, and black dress pants. I know nothing about them but the economic cost of determining detailed information about them is not worth it. I just go by past experience and the preconceived notions and bias I have regarding Mormons. It is exceeding positive. They have just got their order and are heading my way. I will do what I always do when I cross paths with Mormons. I tip them a nod and greet them with a "How's it going Elders." Even though I think they're theology is a bit wacky seeing young Mormons on their mission always brings a smile to my face. Not many 18-19 years are willing to be sent all over the world to spread their faith. These are the lucky one. Drawing the Hawaii gig. Must suck seeing "Angola" on your plane ticket.
Here they come...... "How's it going, Elders?"
Dear Pellius,
I owed you a response to your above copied premise and needed some rest and more coffee in order to give it it's proper time and energy with which to respond.
First, I think all rational persons would agree that when judged solely on behavior, race and culture are properly left in the corner. We are a better civilization when we
judge others by behavior as opposed to skin color or race.
However, you make a valid point in that there are behaviors that are "unique to certain races and cultures." We see that exemplified more in the orthodoxy of a culture but
we can at least start with that premise. Given the proliferation of social media, technology and the new need to know everyone else's business, there has been an inevitable
"exposure" of certain acts, behaviors and even rituals previously unknown to others outside that group's culture. When these are shared with others, there is a certain amount
of sharing, copying and assimilation between races and cultures. Rap music certainly didn't start in Madison, Wisconsin but you can surely bet that virtually every white 15 year old
there is aware of Chris Brown, Naz or whoever is the new rap king.
You wrote "There is a reason that young adult males commit disproportionately [commit] the amount of violent crime in our society. It endemic in their culture."
Here, I disagree. Violent crime by males is not as much a cultural phenomena as it is a biological, psychological and to some degree, sociological product. On this topic, may I
recommend a book that seriously changed my life: Robert Wright "The Moral Animal." It's tenet is that Evolutionary Biology is not only the best explanation for each gender's behavior,
predilections and flaws, but also its best predictor. I use that book ALL THE TIME in attempt to explain to women why they ARE different than men, why they NEED to be different than
men and why they NEED TO ACT AND BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY than men. The book fused traditional Darwinian principles with incredibly poignant research in sociology along with the hard
sciences.
I agree with your point in that any race that promulgates detrimental behavior (your example that Black culture treats education differently than does Japanese culture-- although I would've
cited Chinese culture given their over-representation at schools such as MIT and Harvard) merely perpetuates a culture that is doomed for failure and also sentenced to be despised by other
cultures and races who may have to not only support such tragic consequences but find themselves harmed by it as well.
As far as being able to "make some very accurate value judgments" by the way one dresses (and I understand you mean it as what I call an "Identity Badge" as to what part of the culture
they wish to ascribe) we would all be wise to exercise judicious cautiousness before making such conclusions in haste. I myself, dress in the polar opposite when I am not in court and have
been often accused of not having a job. I was once approached when filling my Ferrari with gas by someone who said, "you must have a great boss to let you drive his car." I replied, "the
guy is an asshole but he has abs, a 12 inch dick and fucks strippers by the dozens." The moron to whom I was speaking smiled and said, "Wow!!!"
I can't tell you how often the cops pull me over in any of my cars especially when I am with my friends, most of whom are Spanish or Black.
If anyone has interest, I can relate a true story involving me, a Dominican stripper with implants, the cops and Washington Heights (the most populated Dominican site outside of the DR itself).
But oh, how I agree with you on how some cultures are nurtured from the bottle of "Entitlement" and "Victim Status." My grandfather, when being hunted by Nazis, did nothing to stop any minority
living in America from attending public, free high school. Today's urban public libraries are empty. There is one on the corner by my office and it is used by bums to smoke cigarettes and ask me
for money when I walk by.
As far as which breed to pet, I concur in that our life's experiences must sometimes lead us to make quick and less than completely informed decisions. Those decision can sometimes mean
the difference between life and death and incorporating certain stereotypes must just prove useful in such situations. Perhaps there is an element of untrustworthiness when we make
those decisions but how often do you see someone rely on their "instincts" and avoid a potentially horrendous situation? The answer is, far too often.
As far as the issue of screening Muslims at airports, as far as I recall, there have never been any Blacks or Puerto Ricans who decided to fly airplanes into buildings thus killing thousands of
people. A certain amount of profiling is understandable under certain conditions. What the U.S. government did to the American Japanese after Pearl Harbor was reprehensible. Just read
U.S. vs. Karamatsu and you will be disgusted as to how the government put honest, decent Japanese Americans into camps. Truly another disgraceful chapter in American history.
As always, I appreciate your comments as they stimulate my brain and cause me to ponder on just how I examine life and in what manner.
Please send my regards to the next Elder, even if he is on his way to Angola (they speak Portuguese there so for me, it wouldn't be hard to read the news)
Harley
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To say nothing of the fact that a killing would defeat the entire purpose of the note.
Meant to add the killing would have to be accidental in this scenario.Maybe she was too noisy, the killer couldn't control his urges etc.
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But as to an intruder coming across the girl and killing her: Who would have the incentive to write the note?
Dear Las Vegas,
It is merely possible that after breaking in, he came across the child, she screamed, frightened him, he killed her and went upstairs to see if anyone else was there.
He could've come across the pad and hastily concluded to write a note as to throw off suspicion.
This is, admittedly, ludicrous, but crime is not rational and criminals have done some very stupid things in the midst of killing, especially if it wasn't planned.
Again, I have no idea who did this and the neighbors saying the wife changed her handwriting sounds a bit like sour grapes or a desire to be heard but it could
all be true.
But then you have to ask, how does the husband decide to save his wife from all that.
In the end, I have no answers just speculation.
Harley
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Are you saying no one should defend them? What are you saying?
That's a good question. When there is undeniable evidence that a person molested a child (DNA proof or confession), I say skip the trial, lock them up and throw away the key.
On matters that are more "grey,"(he said, she said) it would make sense that they would need a lawyer.
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Dear Harley,
But your job is to help criminals get the lowest possible jail time. Therefore, you're partly responsible for the many child molesters who get minimal sentences and are released, then abuse more children. Harley, do you agree with this? I mean, you are advocating for them to get minimal sentences. Why would you want to see a child molester let out of jail early or only serve a minimal sentence?
Dear SF1900,
Surely you don't believe I am responsible for the actions of any other human being, especially with one who possesses a sick drive for which neither I nor he can control.
I don't devise the penal system. I didn't create the sentencing guidelines. Look to your brilliant legislators and lazy prosecutors and inept detectives before looking at me as
I am the devise that cleans up the mess and exposed their inability to do the jobs for which they were chosen and ALL PAID BY THE PUBLIC. Some of them are actually elected!!!
Do you really believe that I "want to see a child molester let out of jail early or only serve a minimal sentence" for any other reason than to ensure a fair criminal process? If you did,
you must not think very highly of me.
I tell you all that you will ALL be thankful for the Defense Attorney should you yourself or a loved one be falsely charged with a crime, especially a heinous crime. Do you honestly think
that EVERYONE in jail and prison is actually guilty and there is not a single person serving a sentence for a crime he didn't commit?
I just hope this is never what is needed for you to see my side of it.
Harley
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That's a good question. When there is undeniable evidence that a person molested a child (DNA proof or confession), I say skip the trial, lock them up and throw away the key.
On matters that are more "grey,"(he said, she said) it would make sense that they would need a lawyer.
Dear SF1900,
You walk such a tragically dangerous line of demarcation when you say "undeniable evidence."
The point is HOW DID THAT EVIDENCE come to be? Was the "confession" coerced? You surely wont' deny that throughout history there have been thousands of coerced confessions.
What about the corrupt lab technician or the one who simply makes a mistake and mislabels the beaker? All of that has actually happened!!!!
The true molester is still a molester even if the case is just "he said, she said" so why does he get a break and receive a lawyer?
No my friend, we are all in need of protection from the government.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
You walk such a tragically dangerous line of demarcation when you say "undeniable evidence."
The point is HOW DID THAT EVIDENCE come to be? Was the "confession" coerced? You surely wont' deny that throughout history there have been thousands of coerced confessions.
What about the corrupt lab technician or the one who simply makes a mistake and mislabels the beaker? All of that has actually happened!!!!
The true molester is still a molester even if the case is just "he said, she said" so why does he get a break and receive a lawyer?
No my friend, we are all in need of protection from the government.
Harley
That may be all well true, but there are still thousands and thousands of child molesters walking the street due to lawyers getting them off.
Sorry, but I could never do that. Id feel too guilty.
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Meant to add the killing would have to be accidental in this scenario.Maybe she was too noisy, the killer couldn't control his urges etc.
Yes, but you have to figure that leaving both the note and the body would defy all logic. Not to say that it couldn't happen, but then it requires adding the belief that a man couldn't control a tiny girl without smashing her head in such a way to kill her, and don't forget you must now add the belief that his handwriting also just happens to indicate as though it's Patsy's handwriting (as the Colorado Bureau of Investigation said: "This handwriting showed indications that the writer was Patsy Ramsey"), etc, etc, etc, etc.
But I can't say that it isn't possible.
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Yes, but you have to figure that leaving both the note and the body would defy all logic. Not to say that it couldn't happen, but then it requires adding the belief that a man couldn't control a tiny girl without smashing her head in such a way to kill her, and don't forget you must now add the belief that his handwriting also just happens to indicate as though it's Patsy's handwriting (as the Colorado Bureau of Investigation said: "This handwriting showed indications that the writer was Patsy Ramsey"), etc, etc, etc, etc.
But I can't say that it isn't possible.
Sure its possible, just incredibly unlikely.Like I said, neither parent fits the profile to be an abuser or child killer, more likely covering up for someone who didn't know any better at that age.
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That may be all well true, but there are still thousands and thousands of child molesters walking the street due to lawyers getting them off.
Sorry, but I could never do that. Id feel too guilty.
Dear SF1900,
It's what makes the world go around; different people are suited for different things, neither better nor worse.
Harley
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Dear SF1900,
It's what makes the world go around; different people are suited for different things, neither better nor worse.
Harley
True, we need those without a conscience to be lawyers. ;D ;D
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tommy, will you say the nature of the trouble? don't feel like you need to, though, if you don't want to say (just ignore this if u want)
Totally fine. Drugs and guns. Nothing special.
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Dear Pellius,
I owed you a response to your above copied premise and needed some rest and more coffee in order to give it it's proper time and energy with which to respond.
First, I think all rational persons would agree that when judged solely on behavior, race and culture are properly left in the corner. We are a better civilization when we
judge others by behavior as opposed to skin color or race.
However, you make a valid point in that there are behaviors that are "unique to certain races and cultures." We see that exemplified more in the orthodoxy of a culture but
we can at least start with that premise. Given the proliferation of social media, technology and the new need to know everyone else's business, there has been an inevitable
"exposure" of certain acts, behaviors and even rituals previously unknown to others outside that group's culture. When these are shared with others, there is a certain amount
of sharing, copying and assimilation between races and cultures. Rap music certainly didn't start in Madison, Wisconsin but you can surely bet that virtually every white 15 year old
there is aware of Chris Brown, Naz or whoever is the new rap king.
You wrote "There is a reason that young adult males commit disproportionately [commit] the amount of violent crime in our society. It endemic in their culture."
Here, I disagree. Violent crime by males is not as much a cultural phenomena as it is a biological, psychological and to some degree, sociological product. On this topic, may I
recommend a book that seriously changed my life: Robert Wright "The Moral Animal." It's tenet is that Evolutionary Biology is not only the best explanation for each gender's behavior,
predilections and flaws, but also its best predictor. I use that book ALL THE TIME in attempt to explain to women why they ARE different than men, why they NEED to be different than
men and why they NEED TO ACT AND BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY than men. The book fused traditional Darwinian principles with incredibly poignant research in sociology along with the hard
sciences.
I agree with your point in that any race that promulgates detrimental behavior (your example that Black culture treats education differently than does Japanese culture-- although I would've
cited Chinese culture given their over-representation at schools such as MIT and Harvard) merely perpetuates a culture that is doomed for failure and also sentenced to be despised by other
cultures and races who may have to not only support such tragic consequences but find themselves harmed by it as well.
As far as being able to "make some very accurate value judgments" by the way one dresses (and I understand you mean it as what I call an "Identity Badge" as to what part of the culture
they wish to ascribe) we would all be wise to exercise judicious cautiousness before making such conclusions in haste. I myself, dress in the polar opposite when I am not in court and have
been often accused of not having a job. I was once approached when filling my Ferrari with gas by someone who said, "you must have a great boss to let you drive his car." I replied, "the
guy is an asshole but he has abs, a 12 inch dick and fucks strippers by the dozens." The moron to whom I was speaking smiled and said, "Wow!!!"
I can't tell you how often the cops pull me over in any of my cars especially when I am with my friends, most of whom are Spanish or Black.
If anyone has interest, I can relate a true story involving me, a Dominican stripper with implants, the cops and Washington Heights (the most populated Dominican site outside of the DR itself).
But oh, how I agree with you on how some cultures are nurtured from the bottle of "Entitlement" and "Victim Status." My grandfather, when being hunted by Nazis, did nothing to stop any minority
living in America from attending public, free high school. Today's urban public libraries are empty. There is one on the corner by my office and it is used by bums to smoke cigarettes and ask me
for money when I walk by.
As far as which breed to pet, I concur in that our life's experiences must sometimes lead us to make quick and less than completely informed decisions. Those decision can sometimes mean
the difference between life and death and incorporating certain stereotypes must just prove useful in such situations. Perhaps there is an element of untrustworthiness when we make
those decisions but how often do you see someone rely on their "instincts" and avoid a potentially horrendous situation? The answer is, far too often.
As far as the issue of screening Muslims at airports, as far as I recall, there have never been any Blacks or Puerto Ricans who decided to fly airplanes into buildings thus killing thousands of
people. A certain amount of profiling is understandable under certain conditions. What the U.S. government did to the American Japanese after Pearl Harbor was reprehensible. Just read
U.S. vs. Karamatsu and you will be disgusted as to how the government put honest, decent Japanese Americans into camps. Truly another disgraceful chapter in American history.
As always, I appreciate your comments as they stimulate my brain and cause me to ponder on just how I examine life and in what manner.
Please send my regards to the next Elder, even if he is on his way to Angola (they speak Portuguese there so for me, it wouldn't be hard to read the news)
Harley
You are a very sharp individual. When I make it to your part of town, I'll buy you a drink. Thanks for posting here.
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Sure its possible, just incredibly unlikely.Like I said, neither parent fits the profile to be an abuser or child killer, more likely covering up for someone who didn't know any better at that age.
I agree one-hundred percent. That's what everything leads to, all the way.
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True, we need those without a conscience to be lawyers. ;D ;D
Dear SF1900,
You made me laugh aloud.
Thanks.
Harley
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Totally fine. Drugs and guns. Nothing special.
Send lawyers, guns and money.
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Dear Las Vegas,
It is merely possible that after breaking in, he came across the child, she screamed, frightened him, he killed her and went upstairs to see if anyone else was there.
He could've come across the pad and hastily concluded to write a note as to throw off suspicion.
This is, admittedly, ludicrous, but crime is not rational and criminals have done some very stupid things in the midst of killing, especially if it wasn't planned.
Again, I have no idea who did this and the neighbors saying the wife changed her handwriting sounds a bit like sour grapes or a desire to be heard but it could
all be true.
But then you have to ask, how does the husband decide to save his wife from all that.
In the end, I have no answers just speculation.
Harley
The notion that a burglar would break into an extravagant home surely protected by security devices, happen across a little girl wandering around the house in the middle of the night, murder her, and then rather than fleeing with her body or without her, would look around the home to find a pen and two fresh pieces of paper and sit down and craft a two page letter while a dead or dying girl lies at one's feet isn't ludicrous. It's preposterous. Not even remotely plausible. To suggest otherwise in an insult to reason and a birthing of the growing notion that we should replace common sense with tin foil hat conspiracies.
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The notion that a burglar would break into an extravagant home surely protected by security devices, happen across a little girl wandering around the house in the middle of the night, murder her, and then rather than fleeing with her body or without her, would look around the home to find a pen and two fresh pieces of paper and sit down and craft a two page letter while a dead or dying girl lies at one's feet isn't ludicrous. It's preposterous. Not even remotely plausible. To suggest otherwise in an insult to reason and a birthing of the growing notion that we should replace common sense with tin foil hat conspiracies.
Dear SquidVicious,
While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I did write that the scenario was "ludicrous" but you must have skipped that, I can tell you one thing with certainty.
Had I represented ANYONE indicted for that murder and spent time honing that above argument, I would MOST CERTAINLY have created at least 1 reasonable doubt in at
least 1 juror and then--GAME OVER- I WIN!!!
If that person accused had been you and you had the intelligence and money to hire me, you would have a bit more respect for my argument, especially after it saved your guilty ass.
Harley
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Training MMA today
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Harley, what is your IQ measured at?
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Dear Las Vegas,
It is merely possible that after breaking in, he came across the child, she screamed, frightened him, he killed her and went upstairs to see if anyone else was there.
He could've come across the pad and hastily concluded to write a note as to throw off suspicion.
This is, admittedly, ludicrous, but crime is not rational and criminals have done some very stupid things in the midst of killing, especially if it wasn't planned.
Again, I have no idea who did this and the neighbors saying the wife changed her handwriting sounds a bit like sour grapes or a desire to be heard but it could
all be true.
But then you have to ask, how does the husband decide to save his wife from all that.
In the end, I have no answers just speculation.
Harley
Yes, people do crazy things. Some activity simply cannot be explained, other than to say it's performed in the absence of reason.
The problem comes in when someone must continue stacking one unbelievable conclusion upon the next, because at some point it requires a reality check. In the case of figuring this scenario, that requirement comes very early and often.
But as you say, we weren't present so we'll probably never know.
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Harley, what is your IQ measured at?
Dear Army of One,
I think the whole IQ thing is over-rated.
Harley
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Dear Army of One,
I think the whole IQ thing is over-rated.
Harley
I agree it can be quite narrow, nevertheless I can't see a scenario where yours would not be high. (no homo)
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Harley, I know you mentioned it, but could you give a few more thoughts on what happened with the grand jury?
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Dear Pellius,
I owed you a response to your above copied premise and needed some rest and more coffee in order to give it it's proper time and energy with which to respond.
First, I think all rational persons would agree that when judged solely on behavior, race and culture are properly left in the corner. We are a better civilization when we
judge others by behavior as opposed to skin color or race.
However, you make a valid point in that there are behaviors that are "unique to certain races and cultures." We see that exemplified more in the orthodoxy of a culture but
we can at least start with that premise. Given the proliferation of social media, technology and the new need to know everyone else's business, there has been an inevitable
"exposure" of certain acts, behaviors and even rituals previously unknown to others outside that group's culture. When these are shared with others, there is a certain amount
of sharing, copying and assimilation between races and cultures. Rap music certainly didn't start in Madison, Wisconsin but you can surely bet that virtually every white 15 year old
there is aware of Chris Brown, Naz or whoever is the new rap king.
You wrote "There is a reason that young adult males commit disproportionately [commit] the amount of violent crime in our society. It endemic in their culture."
Here, I disagree. Violent crime by males is not as much a cultural phenomena as it is a biological, psychological and to some degree, sociological product. On this topic, may I
recommend a book that seriously changed my life: Robert Wright "The Moral Animal." It's tenet is that Evolutionary Biology is not only the best explanation for each gender's behavior,
predilections and flaws, but also its best predictor. I use that book ALL THE TIME in attempt to explain to women why they ARE different than men, why they NEED to be different than
men and why they NEED TO ACT AND BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY than men. The book fused traditional Darwinian principles with incredibly poignant research in sociology along with the hard
sciences.
I agree with your point in that any race that promulgates detrimental behavior (your example that Black culture treats education differently than does Japanese culture-- although I would've
cited Chinese culture given their over-representation at schools such as MIT and Harvard) merely perpetuates a culture that is doomed for failure and also sentenced to be despised by other
cultures and races who may have to not only support such tragic consequences but find themselves harmed by it as well.
As far as being able to "make some very accurate value judgments" by the way one dresses (and I understand you mean it as what I call an "Identity Badge" as to what part of the culture
they wish to ascribe) we would all be wise to exercise judicious cautiousness before making such conclusions in haste. I myself, dress in the polar opposite when I am not in court and have
been often accused of not having a job. I was once approached when filling my Ferrari with gas by someone who said, "you must have a great boss to let you drive his car." I replied, "the
guy is an asshole but he has abs, a 12 inch dick and fucks strippers by the dozens." The moron to whom I was speaking smiled and said, "Wow!!!"
I can't tell you how often the cops pull me over in any of my cars especially when I am with my friends, most of whom are Spanish or Black.
If anyone has interest, I can relate a true story involving me, a Dominican stripper with implants, the cops and Washington Heights (the most populated Dominican site outside of the DR itself).
But oh, how I agree with you on how some cultures are nurtured from the bottle of "Entitlement" and "Victim Status." My grandfather, when being hunted by Nazis, did nothing to stop any minority
living in America from attending public, free high school. Today's urban public libraries are empty. There is one on the corner by my office and it is used by bums to smoke cigarettes and ask me
for money when I walk by.
As far as which breed to pet, I concur in that our life's experiences must sometimes lead us to make quick and less than completely informed decisions. Those decision can sometimes mean
the difference between life and death and incorporating certain stereotypes must just prove useful in such situations. Perhaps there is an element of untrustworthiness when we make
those decisions but how often do you see someone rely on their "instincts" and avoid a potentially horrendous situation? The answer is, far too often.
As far as the issue of screening Muslims at airports, as far as I recall, there have never been any Blacks or Puerto Ricans who decided to fly airplanes into buildings thus killing thousands of
people. A certain amount of profiling is understandable under certain conditions. What the U.S. government did to the American Japanese after Pearl Harbor was reprehensible. Just read
U.S. vs. Karamatsu and you will be disgusted as to how the government put honest, decent Japanese Americans into camps. Truly another disgraceful chapter in American history.
As always, I appreciate your comments as they stimulate my brain and cause me to ponder on just how I examine life and in what manner.
Please send my regards to the next Elder, even if he is on his way to Angola (they speak Portuguese there so for me, it wouldn't be hard to read the news)
Harley
That's why I wanted to specifically point out the difference between women and men when they go bad (heart ache to their family in the case of women and a menace to society in the case of men). When I said that Black young adult males disproportionately represent the amount of violent crime in our culture it was in the context that not only are they young adult males (the highest percentage of violent crime in all races and culture) but it's more predominate in Black culture not because of their skin color as such but because of their culture. A fatherless culture due in no small part to the role the government played in the creation of the welfare State and assuming the role of the father/provider. I am not sure that everyone is aware that the Black family unit was very close prior to the welfare State going all the way back to slavery.
Of course one may argue that this proves that it is not the skin color per se but the culture. That it has nothing to do with race. But I do think there are behaviors and cultural norms unique to a particular race and there one can make value judgments on that. After all, the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorist but the vast majority of terrorist are Muslims. Driving a Lambo while dressed as a homeless person does not discount the fact that anyone driving a Lambo represent a small percentage of the population with certain, very unique, traits common to them all. But of course there are always exceptions. But that's why they are called exceptions. You are very unique. Just being a New York Jew and a Defense Attorney would put you in the ultra liberal side of the political spectrum. Your views of government intrusion and gun ownership nixes that right away.
Many years ago I was having work done on my place. The first guy was White came up and talked with me and my impression was pretty neutral. Seem fine to me. Then I saw his Black partner shuffling up the stairs in casual manner. I was like, "Oh boy. Here we go." Then when he spoke to me everything change. He had an African accent. He was a real Black not an African American (who has more in common with me than he does with any real African). He was from Eritrea. I was totally put at ease. Polite, respectful, spoke perfect English and always a big smile. Of course I had to get his story how he got here from Eritrea and it really humbled me. How lucky and spoiled I am just being born here. A luck of draw that I did nothing to earn or deserve.
But the point being that even though one may have personal biases based on personal experience it doesn't discount the notion that one can also recognize the many exceptions.
Since I started out with a blank slate when I first moved to Inglewood it doesn't bother me when people like Dr. Chimps calls me a racist. He may claim to be just as comfortable going into a Jack in the Box in Inglewood at 2:00 am with his girl friend as he would be in Redondo Beach. But even Jack in the Box knows better from real world experience. Their drive-in in Inglewood has a bullet proof plexiglass barrior between the customer and clerk and you speak through a speaker and your sliding door can't open when their side is open to slide your order into the "neutral zone" and you feel like a dangerous
criminal.
It's easy to pass judgment in the comfort of your home and safe neighborhood with zero experience as to what life is like in a gang ridden inner city.
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I agree it can be quite narrow, nevertheless I can't see a scenario where yours would not be high. (no homo)
"High" is a relative term.
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Count four of the indictment said the Ramseys "did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenét Ramsey, a child under the age of sixteen."
Count seven of the indictment said the Ramseys did "unlawfully, knowingly and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death."
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Harley, I know you mentioned it, but could you give a few more thoughts on what happened with the grand jury?
Dear Las Vegas,
In the Ramsey case? The DA simply refused to sign the Indictment which is the formal paper with the charges levied by the GJ.
Virtually unprecedented.
Harley
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Count four of the indictment said the Ramseys "did unlawfully, knowingly, recklessly and feloniously permit a child to be unreasonably placed in a situation which posed a threat of injury to the child's life or health, which resulted in the death of JonBenét Ramsey, a child under the age of sixteen."
Count seven of the indictment said the Ramseys did "unlawfully, knowingly and feloniously render assistance to a person, with intent to hinder, delay and prevent the discovery, detention, apprehension, prosecution, conviction and punishment of such person for the commission of a crime, knowing the person being assisted has committed and was suspected of the crime of murder in the first degree and child abuse resulting in death."
Dear Las Vegas,
Sounds to me, and I am no expert, but it appears they indicted the son.
Harley
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Totally fine. Drugs and guns. Nothing special.
Would you mind giving the story, you crazy stud? I'll bet you're the only person on this site who has ever come close to a situation like that and especially in a place like Venezuela. (and it figures it was you, too!! ;D)
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That's why I wanted to specifically point out the difference between women and men when they good bad (heart ache to their family in the case of women and a menace to society in the case of men). When I said that Black young adult males disproportionately represent the amount of violent crime in our culture it was in the context that not only are they young adult males (the highest percentage of violent crime in all races and culture) but it's more predominate in Black culture not because of their skin color as such but because of their culture. A fatherless culture due in no small part to the role the government played in the creation of the welfare State and assuming the role of the father/provider. I am not sure that everyone is aware that the Black family unit was very close prior to the welfare State going all the way back to slavery.
Of course one may argue that this proves that it is not the skin color per se but the culture. That it has nothing to do with race. But I do think there are behaviors and cultural norms unique to a particular race and there one can make value judgments on that. After all, the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorist but the vast majority of terrorist are Muslims. Driving a Lambo while dressed as a homeless person does not discount the fact that anyone driving a Lambo represent a small percentage of the population with certain, very unique, traits common to them all. But of course there are always exceptions. But that's why they are called exceptions. You are very unique. Just being a New York Jew and a Defense Attorney would put you in the ultra liberal side of the political spectrum. Your views of government intrusion and gun ownership nixes that right away.
Many years ago I was having work done on my place. The first guy was White came up and talked with me and my impression was pretty neutral. Seem fine to me. Then I saw his Black partner shuffling up the stairs in casual manner. I was like, "Oh boy. Here we go." Then when he spoke to me everything change. He had an African accent. He was a real Black not an African American (who has more in common with me than he does with any real African). He was from Eritrea. I was totally put at ease. Polite, respectful, spoke perfect English and always a big smile. Of course I had to get his story how he got here from Eritrea and it really humbled me. How lucky and spoiled I am just being born here. A luck of draw that I did nothing to earn or deserve.
But the point being that even though one may have personal biases based on personal experience it doesn't discount the notion that one can also recognize the many exceptions.
Since I started out with a blank slate when I first moved to Inglewood it doesn't bother me when people like Dr. Chimps calls me a racist. He may claim to be just as comfortable going into a Jack in the Box in Inglewood at 2:00 am with his girl friend as he would be in Redondo Beach. But even Jack in the Box knows better from real world experience. Their drive-in in Inglewood has a bullet proof plexiglass barrior between the customer and clerk and you speak through a speaker and your sliding door can't open when their side is open to slide your order into the "neutral zone" and you feel like a dangerous
criminal.
It's easy to pass judgment in the comfort of your home and safe neighborhood with zero experience as to what life is like in a gang ridden inner city.
Dear Pellius,
I agree with virtually everything you said except the following;
1) I am not from New York. I live in New Jersey and am damn proud of it.
2) I drive a Ferrari, not a Lamborghini. My Ferrari Club of America membership would be in jeopardy if I didn't correct this error.
Harley
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Dear SquidVicious,
While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I did write that the scenario was "ludicrous" but you must have skipped that, I can tell you one thing with certainty.
Had I represented ANYONE indicted for that murder and spent time honing that above argument, I would MOST CERTAINLY have created at least 1 reasonable doubt in at
least 1 juror and then--GAME OVER- I WIN!!!
If that person accused had been you and you had the intelligence and money to hire me, you would have a bit more respect for my argument, especially after it saved your guilty ass.
Harley
I think you're giving yourself a bit too much credit. Everyone knows that defense lawyers get off on WINNING at all costs, as you delight in boasting above. But most people also know that defense lawyers who WIN do so unethically by lying and creating false narratives designed to fool the least intelligent members of the jury. There's no pride in helping a murderer WIN by composing a preposterous tale intended to trick gullible morons into believing it. Keep telling yourself you're the keeper of the gold. Joseph Pillipurath drove across the country and murdered his wife and an innocent bystander and confessed murdering them in a fit of rage. And then magically after consulting with you, he took the stand and told a completely DIFFERENT story in which he took out the gun innocently and the bystander pushed him and the gun magically went off killing both of them accidentally. Now a moron might believe that he came up with that story on his own but anyone with half a brain understands how these things work. The defense lawyers get all of the evidence FIRST and then concoct a false scenario designed to set their client free. Do you expect us to believe the idiot clients really come up with these stories on their own? No, because usually your clients don't even take the stand. You, the honest defense lawyer stands before the jury spinning tall tales and lies, hoping there's one sucker dumb enough to believe you. That's not being an integral part of the system. It's being part of the problem. But hey, you WIN!
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Dear SF1900,
Surely you don't believe I am responsible for the actions of any other human being, especially with one who possesses a sick drive for which neither I nor he can control.
I don't devise the penal system. I didn't create the sentencing guidelines. Look to your brilliant legislators and lazy prosecutors and inept detectives before looking at me as
I am the devise that cleans up the mess and exposed their inability to do the jobs for which they were chosen and ALL PAID BY THE PUBLIC. Some of them are actually elected!!!
Do you really believe that I "want to see a child molester let out of jail early or only serve a minimal sentence" for any other reason than to ensure a fair criminal process? If you did,
you must not think very highly of me.
I tell you all that you will ALL be thankful for the Defense Attorney should you yourself or a loved one be falsely charged with a crime, especially a heinous crime. Do you honestly think
that EVERYONE in jail and prison is actually guilty and there is not a single person serving a sentence for a crime he didn't commit?
I just hope this is never what is needed for you to see my side of it.
Harley
Do you feel any personal responsibility for your actions when doing your job and following the law. Another words, can there be a case where you won't do your job or follow the law because it conflicts with your personal feelings and beliefs.
For example, lets say, just for the sake of argument, that you are an executioner. You're the doctor that sticks in the needle, pulls the switch, opens the gas valve. Now, again just for the sake of argument, say you know for a fact that the convicted person is innocent. Forget how you know but for the sake of argument you do.
Would you still do your job and perform the execution? It's going to happen whether you do it or not but if you refuse to perform this duty assign to you you will lose your job and definitely be black balled in working in any capacity for the government.
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Dear Las Vegas,
In the Ramsey case? The DA simply refused to sign the Indictment which is the formal paper with the charges levied by the GJ.
Virtually unprecedented.
Harley
Do you have any more thoughts on this, Harley?
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I think you're giving yourself a bit too much credit. Everyone knows that defense lawyers get off on WINNING at all costs, as you delight in boasting above. But most people also know that defense lawyers who WIN do so unethically by lying and creating false narratives designed to fool the least intelligent members of the jury. There's no pride in helping a murderer WIN by composing a preposterous tale intended to trick gullible morons into believing it. Keep telling yourself you're the keeper of the gold. Joseph Pillipurath drove across the country and murdered his wife and an innocent bystander and confessed murdering them in a fit of rage. And then magically after consulting with you, he took the stand and told a completely DIFFERENT story in which he took out the gun innocently and the bystander pushed him and the gun magically went off killing both of them accidentally. Now a moron might believe that he came up with that story on his own but anyone with half a brain understands how these things work. The defense lawyers get all of the evidence FIRST and then concoct a false scenario designed to set their client free. Do you expect us to believe the idiot clients really come up with these stories on their own? No, because usually your clients don't even take the stand. You, the honest defense lawyer stands before the jury spinning tall tales and lies, hoping there's one sucker dumb enough to believe you. That's not being an integral part of the system. It's being part of the problem. But hey, you WIN!
Dear SquidVicious,
You certainly have a right to your opinion but the fact is that not ALL defense attorneys "get off on WINNING at all costs" and when one "wins" it doesn't necessarily mean he did "so unethically by lying..."
I guess if you or your loved one is ever charged with a crime, you would just walk into court, plead guilty and say, "give me the maximum penalty under the law."
Of course, that is your right also.
I'm comfortable in my skin and need not justify what I do and don't do for people. I just come here to give a bit of insight on how things really are and reveal a bit of what goes
on behind the yellow tape.
If some like yourself find that offensive and consider me part of the problem, I accept that.
I hope you never end up in trouble in a foreign country where they truly believe that lawyers and Due Process are really "being part of the problem."
Harley
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Do you have any more thoughts on this, Harley?
The general consensus was that it was done to protect Burke, nobody saw any point in ruining another young life.
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Harley, would you still do your job if it paid minimum wage?
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Dear Las Vegas,
Sounds to me, and I am no expert, but it appears they indicted the son.
Harley
I really couldn't imagine what else it might mean. Also that perhaps the parents had been aware of some recurring interactions between the children that should have been viewed as dangerous.
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Do you feel any personal responsibility for your actions when doing your job and following the law. Another words, can there be a case where you won't do your job or follow the law because it conflicts with your personal feelings and beliefs.
For example, lets say, just for the sake of argument, that you are an executioner. You're the doctor that sticks in the needle, pulls the switch, opens the gas valve. Now, again just for the sake of argument, say you know for a fact that the convicted person is innocent. Forget how you know but for the sake of argument you do.
Would you still do your job and perform the execution? It's going to happen whether you do it or not but if you refuse to perform this duty assign to you you will lose your job and definitely be black balled in working in any capacity for the government.
Dear Pellius,
No, I feel no "personal responsibility" for my actions when I do my job and follow the law. To whom should I feel some personal responsibility? To the lawmakers? To the judge? To the inept
prosecutor? To 12 jurors who unanimously voted Not Guilty? To a society that elects officials who write the laws? To a criminal justice system which is inarguably flawed but yet, remains the best
criminal justice system in the entire world?
What about the personal responsibility I feel towards my client who may, in fact, be innocent or perhaps over-charged?
If I take a job, I do the job.
Here is one that will piss you guys off: The ONLY cases I refuse to take are those involving charges of animal cruelty.
Go ahead and ask what type of fucked up person represents murderers, rapists and child abusers but won't represent an animal abuser.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
I agree with virtually everything you said except the following;
1) I am not from New York. I live in New Jersey and am damn proud of it.
2) I drive a Ferrari, not a Lamborghini. My Ferrari Club of America membership would be in jeopardy if I didn't correct this error.
Harley
1) Living as far West from you as one possibly can and still be in the U.S. Jersey, New York -- all the same.
2) As one who has no hope in this life time of owning such vehicles, which I couldn't appreciate anyway, Ferrari, Lamborghini -- all the same.
Having said that: my bad.
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The general consensus was that it was done to protect Burke, nobody saw any point in ruining another young life.
Who do you mean by "nobody" AoO?
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Harley, would you still do your job if it paid minimum wage?
Dear Army of One,
Your attempt to drag me into a logical fallacy by having me make the self-admission or for you to conclude that I am merely a whore
and all that is left is to negotiate the price for my services, here legal services.
Confusing morality with salary is common when attacking those who provide an unpopular service (i.e., the executioner).
But just to please you, no, I would not do my job for minimum wage.
However, many times I do my job for less than minimum wage, I do it for free.
I am not going to come on here and discuss just who or how many I represent or help for free. I am not a self promoter but at least a few on
GetBig will believe me on this point.
Harley
PS- Would you still do your job for minimum wage?
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1) Living as far West from you as one possibly can and still be in the U.S. Jersey, New York -- all the same.
2) As one who has no hope in this life time of owning such vehicles, which I couldn't appreciate anyway, Ferrari, Lamborghini -- all the same.
Having said that: my bad.
Dear Pellius,
1) You must be very careful should you travel to the East Coast as New Jerseyians would be quite miffed to be lumped into the same
category as those rich, arrogant NY folk who forsake a backyard for a subway.
2) Never say there is no hope unless you have no desire. You most certainly would at least appreciate the cars as they are works of mobile art and offer
a different experience. They are not the reason for my existence but please, don't ever say that a Ferrari and a Lamborghini are "all the same" The horror!!! LOL
No offense ever taken.
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Dear Army of One,
Your attempt to drag me into a logical fallacy by having me make the self-admission or for you to conclude that I am merely a whore
and all that is left is to negotiate the price for my services, here legal services.
Confusing morality with salary is common when attacking those who provide an unpopular service (i.e., the executioner).
But just to please you, no, I would not do my job for minimum wage.
However, many times I do my job for less than minimum wage, I do it for free.
I am not going to come on here and discuss just who or how many I represent or help for free. I am not a self promoter but at least a few on
GetBig will believe me on this point.
Harley
PS- Would you still do your job for minimum wage?
You seem to have confused my intention.I know you love the system that allows everyone to be represented in a court room no matter what, you made no secret of that.I also know you love the money to buy cars, vacations etc, you made no secret of that.I just wondered which would be put above the other, its nothing to be ashamed of admitting, we are all human.For example,I know with certainty that you'd give up both in a heartbeat for your family.
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Dear Pellius,
No, I feel no "personal responsibility" for my actions when I do my job and follow the law. To whom should I feel some personal responsibility? To the lawmakers? To the judge? To the inept
prosecutor? To 12 jurors who unanimously voted Not Guilty? To a society that elects officials who write the laws? To a criminal justice system which is inarguably flawed but yet, remains the best
criminal justice system in the entire world?
What about the personal responsibility I feel towards my client who may, in fact, be innocent or perhaps over-charged?
If I take a job, I do the job.
Here is one that will piss you guys off: The ONLY cases I refuse to take are those involving charges of animal cruelty.
Go ahead and ask what type of fucked up person represents murderers, rapists and child abusers but won't represent an animal abuser.
Harley
Who should you feel personal responsibility towards?
Maybe yourself. Having to look at yourself in the mirror.
Does one leave their personal humanity on the shelf when doing their jobs? Is there Harley the civilian: a good, decent compassionate man; and Harley the Defense Attorney whose job is to win cases and the two shall never over lap?
Remember one of the arguments used by the Nazis was that they were just instruments of the State. They were just doing their jobs.
Remember that scene in the Green Mile where Tom Hanks is asking himself what is he going to say when he stands before God knowing that he had executed an innocent man? "What am I going to say? I was doing my job?"
Doing your job.
Regardless of where the order or imperative comes from, one is still responsible for one's actions. If you knowingly kill an innocent man, knowingly get a guilty man off completely, does that relieve you of any personal responsibility because it was your job?
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Good point, Harley. Some people are acting like everyone who is picked up and charged is guilty. How fucking ridiculous is that? What kind of bullshit is THAT?
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Dear Pellius,
1) You must be very careful should you travel to the East Coast as New Jerseyians would be quite miffed to be lumped into the same
category as those rich, arrogant NY folk who forsake a backyard for a subway.
2) Never say there is no hope unless you have no desire. You most certainly would at least appreciate the cars as they are works of mobile art and offer
a different experience. They are not the reason for my existence but please, don't ever say that a Ferrari and a Lamborghini are "all the same" The horror!!! LOL
No offense ever taken.
LOL! Point taken.
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BTW, don't feel any pressure to answer quickly or at all. Some subjects get to involved and takes so much time to resolve over a message board. Plus, I have a huge advantage over you. It's about 5:15 pm here in Hawaii which means it's getting pretty late for you. It's been proven that not getting enough sleep increases cortisol which promotes fat storage.
I don't want to get in your way to epic leans (A Marty Champion/Falcon term).
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Harley,
My 11 year old son started training in BJJ over the summer. So far it has been the best money I've spent on him his entire life. He is on the spectrum
of ADHD and has impulse/anger issues. Since beginning this training, we've seen very little of his former behavioral patterns. He also plays hockey and
that season just started. I've never seen him with better focus and attention to detail ever. Anyways, my question to you is what is your opinion of Rigan
Machado BJJ? My son's instructor is the the first if not only Machado BJJ black belt in Michigan.
Thanks,
Larry
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Harley,
My 11 year old son started training in BJJ over the summer. So far it has been the best money I've spent on him his entire life. He is on the spectrum
of ADHD and has impulse/anger issues. Since beginning this training, we've seen very little of his former behavioral patterns. He also plays hockey and
that season just started. I've never seen him with better focus and attention to detail ever. Anyways, my question to you is what is your opinion of Rigan
Machado BJJ? My son's instructor is the the first if not only Machado BJJ black belt in Michigan.
Thanks,
Larry
YOU'RE KILLING ME, LARRY!
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You seem to have confused my intention.I know you love the system that allows everyone to be represented in a court room no matter what, you made no secret of that.I also know you love the money to buy cars, vacations etc, you made no secret of that.I just wondered which would be put above the other, its nothing to be ashamed of admitting, we are all human.For example,I know with certainty that you'd give up both in a heartbeat for your family.
Dear Army of One,
I am proud of what I do for a living, but I work to "fund my interests."
If I hit the lottery, I would no longer represent people, not anyone.
I have many interests in life which I wish to continue and further pursue. Those things can not be done with the aid of money.
I hope that honesty comes through.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
It is merely possible that after breaking in, he came across the child, she screamed, frightened him, he killed her and went upstairs to see if anyone else was there.
He could've come across the pad and hastily concluded to write a note as to throw off suspicion.
This is, admittedly, ludicrous, but crime is not rational and criminals have done some very stupid things in the midst of killing, especially if it wasn't planned.
Again, I have no idea who did this and the neighbors saying the wife changed her handwriting sounds a bit like sour grapes or a desire to be heard but it could
all be true.
But then you have to ask, how does the husband decide to save his wife from all that.
In the end, I have no answers just speculation.
Harley
Harley, I should have mentioned that the woman was one of the people present when JB's body was found. She and her husband were very close friends with the Ramseys, and their children are approximately the same ages as the Ramsey children so the families spent lots of time together (including holidays). Their daughter was JB's best friend.
They are the Whites, and it seems the Ramsey lawyers kept them separated from the Ramseys.
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To be exact, Burke is the oldest. He is two years older than the White boy. The girls were the same age.
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Dear Pellius,
No, I feel no "personal responsibility" for my actions when I do my job and follow the law. To whom should I feel some personal responsibility? To the lawmakers? To the judge? To the inept
prosecutor? To 12 jurors who unanimously voted Not Guilty? To a society that elects officials who write the laws? To a criminal justice system which is inarguably flawed but yet, remains the best
criminal justice system in the entire world?
What about the personal responsibility I feel towards my client who may, in fact, be innocent or perhaps over-charged?
If I take a job, I do the job.
Here is one that will piss you guys off: The ONLY cases I refuse to take are those involving charges of animal cruelty.
Go ahead and ask what type of fucked up person represents murderers, rapists and child abusers but won't represent an animal abuser.
Harley
Sorry to pile on, but any particular reason you omitted victim/loved ones from that list?
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Sorry to pile on, but any particular reason you omitted victim/loved ones from that list?
To be fair to Harley, I've no doubt he has every concern for the victims and loved ones. It is natural for people (everyone with a soul) to care, to the point it has tons of weight.
Harley is the guy who makes sure that weight doesn't unfairly crush anyone, including his client. It's one of those things that must be done if we're going to have a legitimate system.
As fucked as it can be, what's the alternative?
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To be fair to Harley, I've no doubt he has every concern for the victims and loved ones. It is natural for people (everyone with a soul) to care, to the point it has tons of weight.
Harley is the guy who makes sure that weight doesn't unfairly crush anyone, including his client. It's one of those things that must be done if we're going to have a legitimate system.
As fucked as it can be, what's the alternative?
Dude.
Really?
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Dude.
Really?
Yes. What is that alternative? Maybe you have an idea.
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Just so there's no doubt, I don't think anyone could deny that Harley has big soul and he's got heart for miles.
But maybe someone could come up with a different way he could consider taking? What would we do if Harley and guys like him just said "fuck it" and "let's pretend the prosecutors are all honest and saintly" like they (prosecutors) want us to believe? What would happen then?
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Harley,
My 11 year old son started training in BJJ over the summer. So far it has been the best money I've spent on him his entire life. He is on the spectrum
of ADHD and has impulse/anger issues. Since beginning this training, we've seen very little of his former behavioral patterns. He also plays hockey and
that season just started. I've never seen him with better focus and attention to detail ever. Anyways, my question to you is what is your opinion of Rigan
Machado BJJ? My son's instructor is the the first if not only Machado BJJ black belt in Michigan.
Thanks,
Larry
What is the name of your son's instructor? I trained for 10 years at the original RCJ Machado Academy located in Redondo Beach, CA. Carlos, Roger, Rigan, Jean Jacque and John were all there teaching. Those were the glory years. Carlos left when Chuck Norris got his Texas Ranger gig and wanted to take Carlos with him to continue his training and to start up a BJJ school in Texas.
Over the years they all broke up to start their own schools.
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Yes. What is that alternative? Maybe you have an idea.
I don't know, maybe we let Harley handle Harley questions? Guess that'd be my idea.
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I don't know, maybe we let Harley handle Harley questions? Guess that'd be my idea.
Good idea. Meanwhile, if you come up with that, I'd be interested to know.
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The general consensus was that it was done to protect Burke, nobody saw any point in ruining another young life.
The wonders of money.
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Good idea. Meanwhile, if you come up with that, I'd be interested to know.
Come up with what? I'm lost.
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Come up with what? I'm lost.
Some way (any good way) to get around all the shit we hate about this system. I would like to know. You've come up with lots of excellent insight before on different topics, so I really want to know.
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
I had no issue ever representing the most disgusting of society's transgressors. As I have often written, it's not the crime, but the illegal process and prosecution I need to prevent.
Preventing crime is someone else's job.
You are not alone in feeling difficulty in representing sexual offenders. That is most understandable. It should never be confused that I condone such behavior. That is certainly not the case.
There were just 2 pedophile cases that I can't shake from my memory and I have represented thousands of them. Not even sure GetBig could handle the facts of those 2 cases.
Harley
cool thanks...i wasnt implying that you arr defending the deed. You sure have a interesting job. To bad some idiots blame you for losing the case and not themself for doing the crime in first place (you said that you ha e thrreats against you)...its like in som slums in sweden thats populated by 90% immmigrants and lots of gangs..if someone cets shot or beaten up the albulance doesnt go in without cops with them cause the gang s start to attack the medics for trying to help there enemies
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Diet Status:
DIET
Starting Point: 09/21/14- 212.2 lbs.
Goals: 15 Weeks: 01/04/16 - 167 lbs.
Week 1: 09/28/15 - 200.8 lbs. Amount Lost: 11.4 lbs.
Week 2: 10/05/15 - 206.6 lbs. Amount Lost: -5.8 lbs. (5 Nights in Disney)
Week 3: 10/12/15 - 200.8 lbs. Amount Lost: 5.8 lbs.
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Diet Status:
DIET
Starting Point: 09/21/14- 212.2 lbs.
Goals: 15 Weeks: 01/04/16 - 167 lbs.
Week 1: 09/28/15 - 200.8 lbs. Amount Lost: 11.4 lbs.
Week 2: 10/05/15 - 206.6 lbs. Amount Lost: -5.8 lbs. (5 Nights in Disney)
Week 3: 10/12/15 - 200.8 lbs. Amount Lost: 5.8 lbs.
Has it been three weeks already.
I am a big believer in weighing yourself everyday first thing in the morning. A lot can happen in a week and daily weighing lets you know where you are trending.
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Dear Pellius,
I do weigh myself every morning.
The hunger at night is really my biggest threat. I try to eat something light if I have to but it's the worst part
of it all.
You guys understand.
Harley
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Who should you feel personal responsibility towards?
Maybe yourself. Having to look at yourself in the mirror.
Does one leave their personal humanity on the shelf when doing their jobs? Is there Harley the civilian: a good, decent compassionate man; and Harley the Defense Attorney whose job is to win cases and the two shall never over lap?
Remember one of the arguments used by the Nazis was that they were just instruments of the State. They were just doing their jobs.
Remember that scene in the Green Mile where Tom Hanks is asking himself what is he going to say when he stands before God knowing that he had executed an innocent man? "What am I going to say? I was doing my job?"
Doing your job.
Regardless of where the order or imperative comes from, one is still responsible for one's actions. If you knowingly kill an innocent man, knowingly get a guilty man off completely, does that relieve you of any personal responsibility because it was your job?
Dear Pellius,
Might you agree that comparing the job of a defense attorney is a far cry from a Nazi concentration camp soldier walking people into an oven as per his "orders"?
When I look at myself in the mirror, I see a wretched physical being, a partially defeated dreamer and a terribly flawed human being who aspired to live a better moral standard
and not let his "id" get so much the better of him.
But I also see someone who hasn't hurt another with malice, unless deserved. I see someone who has actually helped a few people in his day and most of them, without any
publicity. I see someone who stood up to bullies, be it in the courtroom, the gym, the street or anywhere else where the weak and disadvantaged were preyed upon by
"the more fortunate" and "the pretty people."
I don't believe in God so I need only answer to myself, those whom I love and those whom I respect.
My job is just that. A job that this government has condoned and permitted and has actually been shown to help more persons than it hurts. The guy tearing down trees in order
for us to have more Starbucks or The Pope going to Africa and telling them not to practice birth control seem to me to do much more damage than me perhaps getting more lenient
deals for those who transgress the law.
I can live with myself and the internal struggles I face each and every day have nothing to do with some client who may or may not become a recidivist after I am done with my job.
I don't control the free will of others. Let the State do their job correctly and we will have much less to worry about.
Harley
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BTW, don't feel any pressure to answer quickly or at all. Some subjects get to involved and takes so much time to resolve over a message board. Plus, I have a huge advantage over you. It's about 5:15 pm here in Hawaii which means it's getting pretty late for you. It's been proven that not getting enough sleep increases cortisol which promotes fat storage.
I don't want to get in your way to epic leans (A Marty Champion/Falcon term).
Dear Pellius,
You are smart to realize that some of these topics require rumination and time and precision in formulating one's thoughts.
I don't sleep very well and thus never seem to float the weight others do as per a good night's sleep.
I don't know the term "epic leans" or the Marty Champion/Falcon fellows but I'm not sure my goal is epic worthy. It's just my attempt to
get a hold of my life and end this mental cancer that practically pervades every conscious minute of my self doubts.
Harley
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I don't know, maybe we let Harley handle Harley questions? Guess that'd be my idea.
We have seen the alternatives. Saudi Arabia has already killed over 130 people this year as punishment for crimes. Some, after having given
what is publicly acknowledged as "coerced confessions." Nazi Germany had a "court system." That didn't work out too well either.
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Dear Pellius,
I do weigh myself every morning.
The hunger at night is really my biggest threat. I try to eat something light if I have to but it's the worst part
of it all.
You guys understand.
Harley
I remember a good boxer who i won´t name here told me .. Drink a large glass of water before a meal.
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1961 Chevrolet Corvair Custom Sideload Pickup.
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I remember a good boxer who i won´t name here told me .. Drink a large glass of water before a meal.
Glad you didn't name him, that could be very incriminating if it got out
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Kudos on the not representing animal cruelty Harley. I despise it. Except porch monkey cruelty, they deserve it
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Kudos on the not representing animal cruelty Harley. I despise it. Except porch monkey cruelty, they deserve it
I despise the IRA. was their justice always correct?
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We have seen the alternatives. Saudi Arabia has already killed over 130 people this year as punishment for crimes. Some, after having given
what is publicly acknowledged as "coerced confessions." Nazi Germany had a "court system." That didn't work out too well either.
Alternatives to what? Think you quoted the wrong poster.
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1961 Chevrolet Corvair Custom Sideload Pickup.
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Never saw one of those before. My father used to collect Corvairs. I had 2 of them way back.
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I despise the IRA. was their justice always correct?
I don't know anything about them sorry
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Harley, there's nothing more disgusting to me than a man who harms animals or kids, I can't even remain calm when i read about it, and given that you have expressed your hatred for those who prey on the weak, i'm sure you feel the same. I don't understand though, how you are able to make the distinction between those who may be guilty of every other evil and utterly reprehensible crime, and those who are charged with animal cruelty?
You rationalise the difficult cases you have taken on as a defence attorney by the need to remain impartial, to make certain that each case is handled with appropriate attention to procedure in order to ensure that the state does not operate in a totalitarian manner, which i understand and agree with. But how can you then refuse the cases of alleged animal abusers, but agree to represent paedophiles and those who have harmed children?
Dear CaptainFreedom,
Your point and question are very well framed and deserve a response. You may not like it, but here it is:
I do believe that even those who are charged with animal abuse need to be protected from any abuse of the criminal justice system.
However, I can't bring myself to ensure that I can do what a defense attorney is supposed to do, and to the best of my ability in order to ensure there is no abuse of the system.
If I can't give that to the client, I should not have the client.
Now you ask, "Well how do you bring yourself to that level for pedophiles and rapists but not animal abusers?"
The answer: I don't know. I can't explain it. The animal abuser hits me viscerally. It's not that I want children harmed in any way at all. Perhaps because I don't have children
of my own but I don't honestly believe that is the real answer. It is just something internally that allows me to shut it all off and deal with the pedophiles whereas, the animal abusers,
I can't even look at them without wanting to thigh kick them and then put my fingers through their eye sockets.
No, it doesn't make any sense.
BUT, why does someone's moral platform have to make sense? Why must it conform to the rest of society's? Why must it be approved by everyone else?
It can't and that is why some attorneys do what I do and some do what I can't. I had big money (ok, "big money" is a relative term, but 5 figures) thrown at me on more
than one occasion from a person charged with animal abuse and because I knew or felt they did it, I kicked it right back and denied the case.
Everyone's moral barometer is charged a bit differently. I understand why Army of One attacks me on this issue (and maybe others too) and I don't say he is wrong.
I just know what happens when the government wrongfully charges and illegally prosecutes a person, a family, a group of people, a race, a religion, a sexual proclivity, etc.
I do want someone to represent the animal abuser to make sure he gets a fair shake but it doesn't have to be me. I don't even like the attorneys who take those dog fighting
cases which are common where I work. I didn't like them before and I liked them less when I found out about it. But, I do still think their clients have a right to a lawyer.
Harley
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Harley, I didn't attack you on the issue, there are so few people on earth who will not pick money over anything that isn't family, I simply wondered if you were one of the few.Its just means you have a normal mindset.How many doctors are turning down 50 million dollars if it means they can't ever work in a hospital saving lives?Very few, if any.
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Never saw one of those before. My father used to collect Corvairs. I had 2 of them way back.
What do you remember about them, RR?
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Dear Pellius,
Might you agree that comparing the job of a defense attorney is a far cry from a Nazi concentration camp soldier walking people into an oven as per his "orders"?
When I look at myself in the mirror, I see a wretched physical being, a partially defeated dreamer and a terribly flawed human being who aspired to live a better moral standard
and not let his "id" get so much the better of him.
But I also see someone who hasn't hurt another with malice, unless deserved. I see someone who has actually helped a few people in his day and most of them, without any
publicity. I see someone who stood up to bullies, be it in the courtroom, the gym, the street or anywhere else where the weak and disadvantaged were preyed upon by
"the more fortunate" and "the pretty people."
I don't believe in God so I need only answer to myself, those whom I love and those whom I respect.
My job is just that. A job that this government has condoned and permitted and has actually been shown to help more persons than it hurts. The guy tearing down trees in order
for us to have more Starbucks or The Pope going to Africa and telling them not to practice birth control seem to me to do much more damage than me perhaps getting more lenient
deals for those who transgress the law.
I can live with myself and the internal struggles I face each and every day have nothing to do with some client who may or may not become a recidivist after I am done with my job.
I don't control the free will of others. Let the State do their job correctly and we will have much less to worry about.
Harley
I was hoping you weren't going to imply that I was making a moral equivalence with Nazis to what you do. That's why I left out the qualification since I though it was obvious that nobody would do that. I was making the point that just because something is your job and/or you are under orders it doesn't relieve one of the personal responsibilities of that act.
And that is one of the main difference between one who believes they have to answer to a value system outside of themselves with one who only answers and is accountable only to themselves. When a person only has to answer to himself they can always do a little hand waving and justifying as to why they are the exception. I don't trust human nature. And why I don't want people to make their own rules for themselves. One's value system simply becomes situational ethics with a lot of exceptions so that one can feel good about one's self. One may not trust other's nature but they themselves are different. We are always the exception to the rule.
Should that be the goal in one's life? To feel good about yourself? What if you ask did I do a good thing? Did I make the world a better place? Was justice done? If you get a person off for a crime that you just know in your heart he did. If you kill an innocent person because it was your job. Did you do a good thing? Is the world just a little bit better because of it?
It doesn't matter whether or not there is any "malice" in hurting or not hurting anyone. Bertrand Russell remarked in his book, "Unpopular Essays, “Most of the greatest evils that man has inflicted upon man have come through people feeling quite certain about something which, in fact, was false.”
I truly doubt that Pol Pot or Stalin got up every morning and said to themselves, "OK, so how can I make the world an even more miserable place? How can I increase the suffering of people throughout the world?" (And I'm not...sigh, comparing you to Pol Pot or Stalin).
How one feels about what they do is less important than the results and consequences of what they do.
I don't mean to imply in any way that you don't do good in this world. We've all experience injustice and, at least for me, it drives me nuts and I don't want to stand for it, I never forget it and stews in me constantly. I just want to know that when one is called upon to defend the indefensible does one put their humanity on the shelf or compartmentalize. I don't doubt you are at peace with what you do. When one essentially makes their own moral rules and answers only to themselves it's practically inevitable. But is that necessarily a good thing? To always be sure that when all is said and done and the smoke clears that one is positive in their righteousness. Does a bodybuilder after winning the Mr. O look at himself and say that it's done. He's the best. He's perfect. There is nothing more to do. Does a fighter, once he wins the belt; now can stop learning, refining, polishing, advancing? Is one, or should one, ever really be completely at peace?
This is not an attack on your character. It's just an opportunity for me, and all of us, to get a perspective from one who has to live with these moral dilemmas in real life with real life and death consequences, if in fact they are even dilemmas at this point.
Correcting an injustice is a great, great thing you do. A great thing. The injustice and unfairness in this world is the number one thing that gnaws and eats away at me about this world. Why I think God, if he truly is omnipotent, did a bad job and makes me question if he truly is good. Even as a kid I remember the phrase I used most often, "It's not fair!" And the reply was always, "Life isn't fair."
But why?
“In the little world in which children have their existence, whosoever brings them up, there is nothing so finely perceived and so finely felt as injustice.”
― Charles Dickens, Great Expectations
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I remember a good boxer who i won´t name here told me .. Drink a large glass of water before a meal.
I once came across to diet supplement at Vitmin Shoppe. It was some kind of super high fiber cracker that when you eat and then drink a half of glass of water it swelled to like six times it's original size in about 15 minutes. You took it about, well, 15 minutes before you ate. It essentially shrunk your stomach capacity so that you got full faster.
I never used it since gaining weight is more my problem but I really liked the concept. Instead of those stimulants that rev you up possibly causing heart problems and other health risks this seemed totally harmless and seem to make sense. I mean, most don't get enough fiber anyway and fiber alone can lower the glycemic index of food and fill you up faster. Sort of why juicing three apples and drinking it versus eating three apples are worlds apart. Same calories but one fills you up way more as juicing simply removes the fiber in the fruit so that you are just left with the fructose.
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Kudos on the not representing animal cruelty Harley. I despise it. Except porch monkey cruelty, they deserve it
Racist post reported.
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I despise the IRA IRS. was their justice always correct?
Fixed.
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Harley, Does the penal system allow inmates to generate an income by writing about a crime that that inmate committed?
Take SwiFT JUSTICE for instance!
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I once came across to diet supplement at Vitmin Shoppe. It was some kind of super high fiber cracker that when you eat and then drink a half of glass of water it swelled to like six times it's original size in about 15 minutes. You took it about, well, 15 minutes before you ate. It essentially shrunk your stomach capacity so that you got full faster.
I never used it since gaining weight is more my problem but I really liked the concept. Instead of those stimulants that rev you up possibly causing heart problems and other health risks this seemed totally harmless and seem to make sense. I mean, most don't get enough fiber anyway and fiber alone can lower the glycemic index of food and fill you up faster. Sort of why juicing three apples and drinking it versus eating three apples are worlds apart. Same calories but one fills you up way more as juicing simply removes the fiber in the fruit so that you are just left with the fructose.
Good point about the apples. People drink a lot of calories too. I still see ads on the TV here for Diet pills of all sorts mostly like what you mentioned but it can´t be healthy. i think i´ll stick to a glass of water.. ;D
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Dear CaptainFreedom,
Your point and question are very well framed and deserve a response. You may not like it, but here it is:
I do believe that even those who are charged with animal abuse need to be protected from any abuse of the criminal justice system.
However, I can't bring myself to ensure that I can do what a defense attorney is supposed to do, and to the best of my ability in order to ensure there is no abuse of the system.
If I can't give that to the client, I should not have the client.
Now you ask, "Well how do you bring yourself to that level for pedophiles and rapists but not animal abusers?"
The answer: I don't know. I can't explain it. The animal abuser hits me viscerally. It's not that I want children harmed in any way at all. Perhaps because I don't have children
of my own but I don't honestly believe that is the real answer. It is just something internally that allows me to shut it all off and deal with the pedophiles whereas, the animal abusers,
I can't even look at them without wanting to thigh kick them and then put my fingers through their eye sockets.
No, it doesn't make any sense.
BUT, why does someone's moral platform have to make sense? Why must it conform to the rest of society's? Why must it be approved by everyone else?
It can't and that is why some attorneys do what I do and some do what I can't. I had big money (ok, "big money" is a relative term, but 5 figures) thrown at me on more
than one occasion from a person charged with animal abuse and because I knew or felt they did it, I kicked it right back and denied the case.
Everyone's moral barometer is charged a bit differently. I understand why Army of One attacks me on this issue (and maybe others too) and I don't say he is wrong.
I just know what happens when the government wrongfully charges and illegally prosecutes a person, a family, a group of people, a race, a religion, a sexual proclivity, etc.
I do want someone to represent the animal abuser to make sure he gets a fair shake but it doesn't have to be me. I don't even like the attorneys who take those dog fighting
cases which are common where I work. I didn't like them before and I liked them less when I found out about it. But, I do still think their clients have a right to a lawyer.
Harley
in other words you are a profesional
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Hey Guys,
You all raise wonderfully stated positions which are going to require a bit of time to properly respond.
This is really causing me to think and you know how lawyers feel about honest thinking. LOL
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I threw someone out of my office last night and terminated the consult.
I told him I didn't want his case.
Don't get too excited, he wasn't a pedophile and I haven't changed my position on that one issue.
Harley
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Harley, how did it go with the Pro Hoc Vice we spoke about. Let me know. PM me or call me.
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Hey Guys,
I threw someone out of my office last night and terminated the consult.
I told him I didn't want his case.
Don't get too excited, he wasn't a pedophile and I haven't changed my position on that one issue.
Harley
End of the day Harley you are your own man and don´t have to explain anything to people on here. I am sure a lot of people end up in court for the wrong reasons too.. I know a Guy who got the revenge of his ex Girlfriend and had to defend himself in Court. A hurt woman is a Dangerous thing ! ;D
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Dear Donny,
I came here on GetBig to engage in discourse (no homo) so these conversations are perfectly acceptable and in fact, quite
though provoking. Even those whose positions are different have been quite kind and thoughtful in expressing their views without
any personal attacks. You guys are much smarter and sensitive than the bodybuilding world gives you credit.
Well, I have 13 cases on today before I hit the gym at 4:30 pm so I am off to court.
I do have to take some time and respond so hopefully tomorrow, all that will get done.
I have enjoyed all of this and hope that in some way, I have contributed to a nice experience for some people.
Maybe one day, I will win over Herne.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
We all know you are an over achiever and a bit OCD in cramming as much in a day as you can. But don't make this board become work. We are just so fascinated and grateful to have someone like you to bounce ideas and pick your brain. But take your time and don't feel you have to address every issue or even give a reason why you can't. Some are very involved and can't be answered in a couple of sessions.
I just don't want you to feel that you have to start writing essays after a long day at work and gym/dojo.
You're a good man.
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Dear Pellius,
That was very kind of you to write and I am flattered.
I do think that perhaps sometimes I rush an answer fearing that you guys might think I am ignoring you or not interested.
On the contrary, I very much enjoy the interaction. I am going to respond in a timely manner as always but will try to put a bit
more time into the longer responses rather than rush them jus to prove I am still here.
Perhaps this may ingratiate me to Herne a bit.
Harley
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Harley
How do u stay so calm and collected when presenting or debating?
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Hey Guys,
Do any of you ever feel as if all you wanted to do was to liberate yourself from all the stress your job creates?
I so often think of Michael Douglas' character in "Falling Down" and admire how he was able to just let it all go
and dish out true justice to all the stupid idiots who unnecessarily tried to make his life more difficult.
Sometimes I wish I could do that.
Whenever I see that classic photo of him in that white short sleeved shirt carrying the black bag through traffic, I smile
and root for him all over again.
Harley
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I remember a good boxer who i won´t name here told me .. Drink a large glass of water before a meal.
from the look of your fat face, who are you to give diet advice?
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Hey Guys,
Do any of you ever feel as if all you wanted to do was to liberate yourself from all the stress your job creates?
I so often think of Michael Douglas' character in "Falling Down" and admire how he was able to just let it all go
and dish out true justice to all the stupid idiots who unnecessarily tried to make his life more difficult.
Sometimes I wish I could do that.
Whenever I see that classic photo of him in that white short sleeved shirt carrying the black bag through traffic, I smile
and root for him all over again.
Harley
All of the time Mr. Breite... All of the time.
Still, some of our jobs, while stressful in their own right, could be much, much worse.
I'm stressed at times, but thankful at the same time.
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Hey Guys,
Do any of you ever feel as if all you wanted to do was to liberate yourself from all the stress your job creates?
I so often think of Michael Douglas' character in "Falling Down" and admire how he was able to just let it all go
and dish out true justice to all the stupid idiots who unnecessarily tried to make his life more difficult.
Sometimes I wish I could do that.
Whenever I see that classic photo of him in that white short sleeved shirt carrying the black bag through traffic, I smile
and root for him all over again.
Harley
Just like Tu, all the time. All the time.
As Thoreau said in, Walden, "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation."
So this morning I park my car in the farthest parking stall line from Safeway grocery store. It's 6 am so the parking lot was practically empty anyway but I just like my space. I'm into space. Like some elbow room as I go through this journey called life. I'm over 6 feet so I like to be able to open my car door all the way so it's easy to get in. I have long legs so most of the time I have to pull my legs into a rubber guard position to get my car.
I get out of the store and look at the long line of empty stalls until I see my car. Then I see another car parked right next to me. Parked on my driver's side. I can't open my door all the way.
Why God? Why?
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Dear Pellius,
I will share a story similar to yours of which I am not proud.
Craig and I routinely eat at Longhorn on weekends after we train. We both arrived there after a hard leg session and I parked my
car in a completely distant part of the parking lot. In fact, the construction was so that they made this space, far away, for only 2 cars to fit.
Naturally, no one parks there as it is far and oddly shaped. I parked there, alone and left a half empty parking lot to eat with Craig.
Upon arriving back to my car, there was a Dodge Caravan with the soccer ball sticker on the back window and obligatory dents all over parked
right next to my car. The entire lot is empty. This little enclave is made for only 2 cars!!! They park next to and very close to me.
I am enraged. I look inside the Caravan and it's a complete mess with kids' toys dispersed all over.
I wait behind the Caravan for the owner and his family to return. Craig begins to plead with me to leave. Very smartly, he tells me this type of
behavior is exactly what I have preached to him for years in that it is unnecessary and not proper. I used to tell Craig to think before he acts as all
actions have a consequence and those who are intelligent and civilized usually prevail.
I didn't listen. I stood there becoming more and more angry.
He pleaded with me to leave. I agreed to leave but only after I went to the front windshield, grabbed the wiper from its base attached to the window itself
and pulled it completely off the window. I then laid it out vertically on the outside front windshield so the owner would know it was done with purpose.
I then left, not in fear but in prudence so as to avoid a physical confrontation.
Again, not proud but sometimes it's the "Falling Down Syndrome."
Wish I could find that picture of him walking down the street.
Harley
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Harley
How do u stay so calm and collected when presenting or debating?
Dear Natural Wonder83,
Your question relates to how it was that I conquered my biggest fear. You see, if you can get to a place where you aren't nervous
from fear, you can do just about anything. There is nothing a judge, client or anyone else can say to me that causes me to fear anymore.
That doesn't mean I wouldn't get alarmed by someone attacking me or a doctor telling me I have cancer. I am talking about our deep,
inner fears that stop us from reaching our potential or worse, haunting us in our thoughts, creeping into our moments of happiness to remind
us that the fear has not been conquered nor abated, it exists and lurks within us.
Perhaps I can better answer your question by recalling a letter I wrote years ago subsequent to fighting in Brasil:
Dear Friends,
With a composite of fear and trepidation I entered the raucous Rio de Janeiro arena through a curiously inconspicuous doorway completely unannounced from the street. A solid husky fellow, appearing not to have missed many meals in his life, although I doubt many were ever served without the constant presence of prison guards, made sure I stopped to answer his inquiry as to whether I was spectator or combatant. I expected and ignored his faint disdain at the thought of an American entertaining any notion of being the latter in what is pridefully known as the birthplace of Jiu-Jitsu. In Brasil, to even say "Brazilian" Jiu-Jitsu is to imply that any other type, style or origin of Jiu-Jitsu is a mere failing facsimile of what they know and believe to be the only true form of Jiu-Jitsu. For it is here that Helio and his brother, Carlo Gracie created the fighting form or "art" that they believed could conquer all others while ignoring such trivial variables as weight, height, strength and size. Even their strongest critics, none of whom dared today to show their faces at this contest, would have to give them their just desserts.
I soon thereafter weighed in and met my Brazilian opponent on the mat. He was of dark complexion and exercised ominous movements. His eyes lifeless, his face plastic and angry no doubt from an existence which continuously vindicates the platitude but verity that life is not fair. His mohawk haircut neatly trimmed for the occasion.
So why was I here? It was not for the love of competition or the sportsmanship. Perhaps I was looking for some vehicle in which to channel all the aggression, resentment and embarrassment dealt to me day after day in the halls, lunch lines and at the bus stops of Junior High School and High School itself. Maybe I needed some way to vent the rage stored inside me from 6 years of missing lunch due to some girls who felt entitled to whatever money was in my pocket and certainly took it from me, with often more than just the mere threat of violence.
What is immediately and universally understood by my presence and pending efforts against this maniacal Brazilian here in this modern day Coliseum, is that I will now, and forever, walk away with my lunch money in pocket. While many find my motives sophomoric , these motives have, in fact, led to my own self-ennoblement for it is here and now that I am facing and conquering those girls. Through this unknowingly possessed Brazilian who for me, carries the spirit of those girls and those guys who belittled me at every opportunity and in the most public of ways, I am facing up to them. I am not backing down to them and no matter what the outcome of this match, I am fighting back. For here, the test of courage relies not on instruments of wealth or social position, but rather, mostly upon heart. Do I have it or don`t I? Let`s see.
Although primordial in most every sense, my opponent prescribed to all the minute amenities that dogmatically grace Jiu-Jitsu and give it some semblance of civilization.
He began by convincingly demonstrating that for him, in terms of intimidation, the old adage was indeed true, in that it was better to give rather than receive. He felt nothing. An impenetrable automaton whose sole purpose was to end this match in any manner I myself, saw fit, either submit to the pain or fall unconscious to a choke. My purpose contrary; to provide him with the bitterness that he himself had so often provided to others. The bitterness of defeat.
I attempted to grab the Brazilian and allow my self perceived muscular strength to treat him in a subservient manner. The Brazilian responded with sheer and utter indifference. I was in trouble.
I knew I had to fight back as this could be the one moment in my life that corroborates any real notion of self-worth for which I previously failed to show not even an iota of proof by any action during any previous time in my entire life. The years had prepared me for having a keen understanding as to the importance of this very given moment.
Desperation became the order of the moment. My opponent renewed his efforts with a vicious combination of brutality and technique designed to quickly put an end to me and this match, but preferably to me. I responded with bleak signs of fortitude and a spirit which the crowd found unexpected. We were both resolute in our purposes and neither would acknowledge the terrible punishment we were both now receiving.
As the pain around my neck grows to an almost unbearable tolerance I ask myself again, "Why am I here?" I have enough money. I have a Ferrari. I have my parents. I have a great dog. I have great friends who claim that if I never fight again they would not think the less of me. So why have I come all this way only to find myself in the virtual vice grip of some mad Brazilian's arms and legs as he seeks to cease my breathing only for the purpose of his being claimed victorious (as opposed to the less noble intent of actually wishing me harm)?
At that moment I chose to fight on rather than "tap-out" and voluntarily end the match by submission. I was not returning from Brasil as a quitter in my own mind. I decided to fight or be put to sleep rather than submit. I continued my struggle as my perception began to fade and my breath slowed from a dissipation to a termination. I attempted to recruit my energy and resolve and hung on. And I did just that. Some time thereafter, the time ended and the match was over. We were both dreadfully punished.
The score was zero to zero. The crowd was completely disappointed. Never had they dreamed that their hometown favorite would not be met with success. They could not forbear exulting. Prior to the fight I was an Americano, a poser, well beneath their notice. Now the referee would chose the victor. My opponent's hand was raised and I garnered the 3rd Place Medal.
The truth is, The Mad Brazilian fought undismayed seeking victory while I sought to prove that my courage was of no ordinary nature. In the end, isn't that all I really wanted? I sought out to regain what I had lost on those bus stops and lunch lines. I had lived most of my life seeking to regain my own sense of pride and self-esteem and today, through this crazy set of events hereto described above, I filled that void. I had now, not by any material gain, not through riches or public acceptance, recaptured the thing I lost so long ago for which there truly is no price; the heart of a fighter.
My moral victory here today comes only after what might appear to be an unflaggingly solitary effort. That is far from true. There are my parents who have since lived those school days with me and all my insecurities, the friends who encouraged me even when I weighed 88 pounds in high school and there could be no sign of any physical justice in the horizon. There are my other friends who have given me counsel and support through my metamorphosis. And then, there are the trainers who helped sculpt me into a finished work of redemption. There is David Jones, Rick Jones, Darryl Perry, Craig Richardson, Shihan Larry Cowan, Sensei Anthony DeMarco, Shihan Juan Perez, Mike Mrkulic, David Avid, Royler Gracie, Angelica Oliviera, Jason Tabor, and Brian O'Leary. There are also of course, all the guys who lent their support and patience from Mike Mrkulic Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Gracie New Jersey and Gracie Humaita.
Through the most arduous demands of the body, the fighter can transcend the physical. The place at which I fought was not merely a rubber, sweat and blood laden mat of sacrifice but an alter of sorts for my own personal redemption. I feel redeemed.
Respectfully,
Harley
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harley out of curiosity do you believe in the teachings of napolean hill , and the law of attraction.
i have a australian friend who is pretty successfull who swears by it
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Harley Breite is like a mix of Kahn N Singh, OnlyMe and Galeniko. What a great man! 8)
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Dear Harley,
Great story and writing. Took me back to my first tournament. I took it so seriously and had this do or die attitude. Just like my first after school fist fight in kindergarten. After a while it just became another day at the office. I stopped being nervous and just was kind of
empty of emotion. No real expectations of winning or losing. Just fight and do your best and whatever happens -- happens.
Sucks that you got shaken down by girls. When I first read that I thought it was a mistake until you mentioned it again later in your narrative.
I lol at "A solid husky fellow, appearing not to have missed many meals in his life, although I doubt many were ever served without the constant presence of prison guards..."
But seriously, Girls? How does that happen?
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I graduated high school weighing only 88 pounds.
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I have no clue who this person is...
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harley out of curiosity do you believe in the teachings of napolean hill , and the law of attraction.
i have a australian friend who is pretty successfull who swears by it
Dunno about Harley, by Kai sure does: thoughts become things.
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I have no clue who this person is...
Just another Joon gimmick...
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Just another Joon gimmick...
Ah
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Harley, Does the penal system allow inmates to generate an income by writing about a crime that that inmate committed?
Take SwiFT JUSTICE for instance!
Dear Stuntmovie,
Every state is different but most do not permit inmates to profit from their stories.
Harley
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I have no clue who this person is...
Dear WOOO,
That's ok. Sometimes I have no clue as to who I am either.
Harley
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Dear WOOO,
That's ok. Sometimes I have no clue as to who I am either.
Harley
Can you bench press whitewidow or have great acne or get looks from all the girls at 5'5"?
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I have no clue who this person is...
Perhaps you should find another thread.
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Wow thank you harley
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Can you bench press whitewidow or have great acne or get looks from all the girls at 5'5"?
Dear WOOO,
I am not the smartest guy here but I am inferring some sort of insult.
I don't measure myself by my "bench press" (in fact, Craig and I NEVER flat bench with a bar and NEVER will).
I am also not the best looking guy here but for the record, I am 5'7" and we have already established I am not
a "gimmick."
Harley
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I was hoping you weren't going to imply that I was making a moral equivalence with Nazis to what you do. That's why I left out the qualification since I though it was obvious that nobody would do that. I was making the point that just because something is your job and/or you are under orders it doesn't relieve one of the personal responsibilities of that act.
And that is one of the main difference between one who believes they have to answer to a value system outside of themselves with one who only answers and is accountable only to themselves. When a person only has to answer to himself they can always do a little hand waving and justifying as to why they are the exception. I don't trust human nature. And why I don't want people to make their own rules for themselves. One's value system simply becomes situational ethics with a lot of exceptions so that one can feel good about one's self. One may not trust other's nature but they themselves are different. We are always the exception to the rule.
Should that be the goal in one's life? To feel good about yourself? What if you ask did I do a good thing? Did I make the world a better place? Was justice done? If you get a person off for a crime that you just know in your heart he did. If you kill an innocent person because it was your job. Did you do a good thing? Is the world just a little bit better because of it?
It doesn't matter whether or not there is any "malice" in hurting or not hurting anyone. Bertrand Russell remarked in his book, "Unpopular Essays, “Most of the greatest evils that man has inflicted upon man have come through people feeling quite certain about something which, in fact, was false.”
I truly doubt that Pol Pot or Stalin got up every morning and said to themselves, "OK, so how can I make the world an even more miserable place? How can I increase the suffering of people throughout the world?" (And I'm not...sigh, comparing you to Pol Pot or Stalin).
How one feels about what they do is less important than the results and consequences of what they do.
I don't mean to imply in any way that you don't do good in this world. We've all experience injustice and, at least for me, it drives me nuts and I don't want to stand for it, I never forget it and stews in me constantly. I just want to know that when one is called upon to defend the indefensible does one put their humanity on the shelf or compartmentalize. I don't doubt you are at peace with what you do. When one essentially makes their own moral rules and answers only to themselves it's practically inevitable. But is that necessarily a good thing? To always be sure that when all is said and done and the smoke clears that one is positive in their righteousness. Does a bodybuilder after winning the Mr. O look at himself and say that it's done. He's the best. He's perfect. There is nothing more to do. Does a fighter, once he wins the belt; now can stop learning, refining, polishing, advancing? Is one, or should one, ever really be completely at peace?
This is not an attack on your character. It's just an opportunity for me, and all of us, to get a perspective from one who has to live with these moral dilemmas in real life with real life and death consequences, if in fact they are even dilemmas at this point.
Correcting an injustice is a great, great thing you do. A great thing. The injustice and unfairness in this world is the number one thing that gnaws and eats away at me about this world. Why I think God, if he truly is omnipotent, did a bad job and makes me question if he truly is good. Even as a kid I remember the phrase I used most often, "It's not fair!" And the reply was always, "Life isn't fair."
But why?
“In the little world in which children have their existence, whosoever brings them up, there is nothing so finely perceived and so finely felt as injustice.”
― Charles Dickens, Great Expectations
Dear Pellius,
I have far too much respect for your intellect and insight to ever infer that you find no difference between the Nazi camp soldier.
One distinction between the Nazi soldier and the criminal defense attorney is that the defense attorney does not have to take "orders."
I choose which cases to accept and with that, comes the burden of having to practice the "moral relativism" to which CaptainFreedom alludes.
I am not sure I feel I have to "answer" to the system except for the fact that I can't break a rule. I certainly have a reputation for fighting the
government and the judges and perhaps getting really close to "the line." but I've never been found to have crossed the line or broken any rule.
No one truly answers only to himself. We are all cast into this horrendous play called "life" and the bureaucracy of it all has each and every one
of us answering to someone. The frustrating aspect is that many times, we are answering to those who are less efficient and less intelligent than
ourselves and this impediment to completing tasks and finding optimum success can prove quite frustrating. We are all making "excuses" to exclude
ourselves from some acceptable rule, law (obeying the speed limit), societal norm or convention, etc. Do the justifications make us less noble? Do they
hurt anyone else? The many levels of self-defense our egos have internally constructed in order to shield us from " the thousand natural shocks" force
us to excuse ourselves from some of the rules or conventions in order to succumb to our predilections and desires.
Not only do I not completely trust my own nature but I sure as hell don't trust the nature of others, and that includes the added "security" or "protection"
the State offers me from others whose nature would serve only to harm my own well-being (I have 19,000 rounds of ammunition here at my house).
No doubt Russell was a genius but it is a bit easy to philosophize from an ivory tower or some podium at Columbia University. I am not sure he put
any of his concerns, doubts or theories into practice in his own life. It's one thing to say something should be done on a moral level and yet, it is entirely
another thing to be put into that position of moral incertitude and have to make the "correct" choice.
Life really is unfair and whatever injustice I may prevent, here and there, is no excuse for people to take matters into their own hands because they are
"certain" they are correct. I'm not sure I give it too much thought whether I am right or wrong on these issues. I prefer to do it and say that at least some
of the proceeds of my actions are helping others, not just my bank.
I am a terribly flawed human being and no one should adopt my personal moral code. I have certain weaknesses not all of society would accept so I have
to balance all of that with my own sense of "morality." I have hurt people (emotionally) and living with that is not always easy.
An individual is a democracy of disparate voices.
I'm doing the best that I can.
Harley
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Dear Irongrip400,
Technically, my Dad was a Polish Jew which in Poland, was even lower than the lowest class.
I never really understood why a bodybuilding site spends so much time discussing and posting homosexual and racist topics
but I support the right to do so as we live in America.
It has little interest to me as I am not going to change anyone's opinion nor do I even want to try. Each person should think and
live as he chooses provided he doesn't trample the free living of others.
If someone were truly interested in Hitler and WWll, I would offer William Shire's "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich" and Winston Churchill's
"The Gathering Storm" as two of the most incredible and informative books on those subject matters. They were both spell-binding. And they even discuss
homosexuality and racism so it should appeal to everyone.
Harley
Don't know why but I started reading the thread and got to this portion and it made me laugh. Getbig is great.
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Well, hopefully, we will always have Herne.
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harley out of curiosity do you believe in the teachings of napolean hill , and the law of attraction.
i have a australian friend who is pretty successfull who swears by it
Dear oldschoolfan,
A couple things in response to your question:
1) I personally don't read or invest much time into "self-help" theories BUT that does not mean they are not helpful for many others.
Their sheer popularity alone evinces some benefit that millions appear to acquire from these types of books. The fact that it helps others
is paramount to any personal views I might have.
2) The reason I myself, don't read this genre is I find myself much too complicated (not in a complimentary way) to benefit from
what I feel are watered-down platitudes and self-evident phrases which can apply to virtually everyone on the planet.
3) We are all similar but we are all more dissimilar and that is where the conflict lies. What ails me may ail you but my remedy may
be quite different than yours. Much of that has to do with practical situations such as how we live, where we live, with whom we live, etc.
The human brain is far too complex to be given a catch-all prescription fitting everyone on the planet.
4) I've mentioned that in my opinion, the only true way to resolving our own inner conflict is to start with introspection. I mean really hard,
difficult cross examination of how we feel and more importantly, WHY we feel that way. How do I really feel about myself and why? Only through
this most difficult personal examination can we begin to find happiness. The work of peeling back our endless self defense mechanisms to find
our true and honest feelings is extremely difficult and painful. We may not like all of what we uncover and learn of ourselves but perhaps it is worth
the pain.
Harley
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Dear oldschoolfan,
A couple things in response to your question:
1) I personally don't read or invest much time into "self-help" theories BUT that does not mean they are not helpful for many others.
Their sheer popularity alone evinces some benefit that millions appear to acquire from these types of books. The fact that it helps others
is paramount to any personal views I might have.
2) The reason I myself, don't read this genre is I find myself much too complicated (not in a complimentary way) to benefit from
what I feel are watered-down platitudes and self-evident phrases which can apply to virtually everyone on the planet.
3) We are all similar but we are all more dissimilar and that is where the conflict lies. What ails me may ail you but my remedy may
be quite different than yours. Much of that has to do with practical situations such as how we live, where we live, with whom we live, etc.
The human brain is far too complex to be given a catch-all prescription fitting everyone on the planet.
4) I've mentioned that in my opinion, the only true way to resolving our own inner conflict is to start with introspection. I mean really hard,
difficult cross examination of how we feel and more importantly, WHY we feel that way. How do I really feel about myself and why? Only through
this most difficult personal examination can we begin to find happiness. The work of peeling back our endless self defense mechanisms to find
our true and honest feelings is extremely difficult and painful. We may not like all of what we uncover and learn of ourselves but perhaps it is worth
the pain.
Harley
harley thanks for the response and your number 4 answer hit the nail right on the head.
im getting ready to take a 6 month trip out of the country and i will be doing this while i am gone
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Dear oldschoolfan,
A couple things in response to your question:
1) I personally don't read or invest much time into "self-help" theories BUT that does not mean they are not helpful for many others.
Their sheer popularity alone evinces some benefit that millions appear to acquire from these types of books. The fact that it helps others
is paramount to any personal views I might have.
2) The reason I myself, don't read this genre is I find myself much too complicated (not in a complimentary way) to benefit from
what I feel are watered-down platitudes and self-evident phrases which can apply to virtually everyone on the planet.
3) We are all similar but we are all more dissimilar and that is where the conflict lies. What ails me may ail you but my remedy may
be quite different than yours. Much of that has to do with practical situations such as how we live, where we live, with whom we live, etc.
The human brain is far too complex to be given a catch-all prescription fitting everyone on the planet.
4) I've mentioned that in my opinion, the only true way to resolving our own inner conflict is to start with introspection. I mean really hard,
difficult cross examination of how we feel and more importantly, WHY we feel that way. How do I really feel about myself and why? Only through
this most difficult personal examination can we begin to find happiness. The work of peeling back our endless self defense mechanisms to find
our true and honest feelings is extremely difficult and painful. We may not like all of what we uncover and learn of ourselves but perhaps it is worth
the pain.
Harley
I asked a lady working at the bookstore where the self help section was. She just said 'you'll find it'. ;D
self help books are great tools, but most people think they will do the work for them. it would be like reading a book on auto body work, and expecting that when you finish the book your car will automatically be straightened, primed and painted.
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I asked a lady working at the bookstore where the self help section was. She just said 'you'll find it'. ;D
self help books are great tools, but most people think they will do the work for them. it would be like reading a book on auto body work, and expecting that when you finish the book your car will automatically be straightened, primed and painted.
Did she really say that? If so, she is a closet getbigger. :)
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Harley, would you defend someone like Daniel Pantaleo? (if the option came in front of you to do it)
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They claim 1600 HP on this 1970 GTO.
(http://burnoutbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/DOUBLE-BLOWN-70-GTO-with-1600-HP-this-is-THE-JUDGE.jpg)
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ha ha that is one big ass blower
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ha ha that is one big ass blower
Girl is riding The Judge
(https://chivethethrottle.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/gto-judge-920-33.jpg?w=919&h=663)
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Harley, would you defend someone like Daniel Pantaleo? (if the option came in front of you to do it)
Dear Las Vegas,
I most certainly would represent him but not at any small or even reduced fee.
I would ask for a Bench Trial (a judge to be both the trier of fact and decider of the law of the case) as opposed
to a Jury Trial.
Harley
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They claim 1600 HP on this 1970 GTO.
(http://burnoutbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/DOUBLE-BLOWN-70-GTO-with-1600-HP-this-is-THE-JUDGE.jpg)
How can you see anything while driving?
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Dear Las Vegas,
I most certainly would represent him but not at any small or even reduced fee.
I would ask for a Bench Trial (a judge to be both the trier of fact and decider of the law of the case) as opposed
to a Jury Trial.
Harley
If someone is guilty, or at least the evidence is not in his favor, would it be better to have a Jury Trial?
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If someone is guilty, or at least the evidence is not in his favor, would it be better to have a Jury Trial?
IMO, it wouldn't be better for someone like Pantaleo to face a jury. I'm sure Harley is right.
It's all for nothing, of course, since Pantaleo has been "cleared" and is back on the streets.
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How can you see anything while driving?
It only goes in a straight line anyway. You don't really need to see much.
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Dear Pellius,
I have far too much respect for your intellect and insight to ever infer that you find no difference between the Nazi camp soldier.
One distinction between the Nazi soldier and the criminal defense attorney is that the defense attorney does not have to take "orders."
I choose which cases to accept and with that, comes the burden of having to practice the "moral relativism" to which CaptainFreedom alludes.
I am not sure I feel I have to "answer" to the system except for the fact that I can't break a rule. I certainly have a reputation for fighting the
government and the judges and perhaps getting really close to "the line." but I've never been found to have crossed the line or broken any rule.
No one truly answers only to himself. We are all cast into this horrendous play called "life" and the bureaucracy of it all has each and every one
of us answering to someone. The frustrating aspect is that many times, we are answering to those who are less efficient and less intelligent than
ourselves and this impediment to completing tasks and finding optimum success can prove quite frustrating. We are all making "excuses" to exclude
ourselves from some acceptable rule, law (obeying the speed limit), societal norm or convention, etc. Do the justifications make us less noble? Do they
hurt anyone else? The many levels of self-defense our egos have internally constructed in order to shield us from " the thousand natural shocks" force
us to excuse ourselves from some of the rules or conventions in order to succumb to our predilections and desires.
Not only do I not completely trust my own nature but I sure as hell don't trust the nature of others, and that includes the added "security" or "protection"
the State offers me from others whose nature would serve only to harm my own well-being (I have 19,000 rounds of ammunition here at my house).
No doubt Russell was a genius but it is a bit easy to philosophize from an ivory tower or some podium at Columbia University. I am not sure he put
any of his concerns, doubts or theories into practice in his own life. It's one thing to say something should be done on a moral level and yet, it is entirely
another thing to be put into that position of moral incertitude and have to make the "correct" choice.
Life really is unfair and whatever injustice I may prevent, here and there, is no excuse for people to take matters into their own hands because they are
"certain" they are correct. I'm not sure I give it too much thought whether I am right or wrong on these issues. I prefer to do it and say that at least some
of the proceeds of my actions are helping others, not just my bank.
I am a terribly flawed human being and no one should adopt my personal moral code. I have certain weaknesses not all of society would accept so I have
to balance all of that with my own sense of "morality." I have hurt people (emotionally) and living with that is not always easy.
An individual is a democracy of disparate voices.
I'm doing the best that I can.
Harley
Dear Harley,
Thank you so much for taking so much time in addressing this issue, but again, don't feel obligated to do so as I know it is time consuming and nothing really gets resolved. I just prefer clarity over agreement. Just being clear on one's position and how they came to that position.
In one sense, we have to answer to so many people. You mentioned earlier in this thread that even though you own your business you have many bosses to answer to. But just like the Nazi soldiers, you make the decision if you will listen to them. So at the end of the day when you look at yourself in the mirror it is you that are ultimately responsible for the decisions and actions that you make.
Bertrand Russell may have been an aristocrat but that, in and of itself, does not invalidate his statement. After all, the old adage, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" did not just come out of nowhere.
And of course in real life we have to take into account the will of the people and society and what they decide what is the law and how it should be enforced as well as those who are put in charge to determine and carry out those laws. But that does not relieve a person from being personally responsible for the actions he carried out. If one follows the law but knowingly gets a murderer off did he do a good thing? Did he do the right thing? You mentioned that you don't give much thought to right and wrong. Do you think it is better not to think in terms of right and wrong but rather just legal and illegal?
Is it enough to say to yourself that you followed the law? A law that society, the majority, has determined is just? What do you say to yourself?
“Atticus, you must be wrong…” said Scout.
“How’s that?”
“Well, most folks seem to think they’re right and you’re wrong…”
“They’re certainly entitled to think that, and they’re entitled to full respect for their opinions,” said Atticus, “but before I can live with other folks I’ve got to live with myself. The one thing that doesn’t abide by majority rule is a person’s conscience.”
-- Harper Lee, To Kill A Mockingbird
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How can you see anything while driving?
Yes, Tu right. Driver probably aligning self w left wall.
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Hey Guys,
Last night, I walked a new client into the police station as he was on the run for Murder.
He is just 18 years old and is charged, along with another, with the killing of a 21 year old kid who was closing up a liquor store.
I believe it is a gang retaliation issue.
I also represent his twin brother on a gang retaliation stabbing.
It's all so stupid and so sad and an incredible waste of life and all its rewards.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Last night, I walked a new client into the police station as he was on the run for Murder.
He is just 18 years old and is charged, along with another, with the killing of a 21 year old kid who was closing up a liquor store.
I believe it is a gang retaliation issue.
I also represent his twin brother on a gang retaliation stabbing.
It's all so stupid and so sad and an incredible waste of life and all its rewards.
Harley
yes such a waste. Really very sad.
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Are these cases generally the result of protecting drug profits, Harley? In general, I mean. Teenagers falling into killing people, only to receive long prison sentences before they are adults.
I'm trying to figure out why even a dumb teen couldn't see what a waste it is.
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Are these cases generally the result of protecting drug profits, Harley? In general, I mean. Teenagers falling into killing people, only to receive long prison sentences before they are adults.
I'm trying to figure out why even a dumb teen couldn't see what a waste it is.
I can understand why they do this easily. You can live in poverty working minimum wage jobs and dealing with all the bullshit that comes with it just to barely get by or you can make thousands a week.
Not all drug dealers wind up in prison for life. I personally know of a drug dealer who became rich and used that money to start up a very successful nutritional company and still in his thirties is set for life.
The problem is the government believes it is their place to tell you what you can do with your own body. In any business there is going to be disputes. And we have courts and a justice system to deal with that.
The problem with the drug business being illegal, like liquor during the time of Prohibition, is that there is no legal avenue you can pursue to address these disputes. You have to enforce the law yourself. And just like the government, it is only with violence or the threat of violence, that these laws are enforced.
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Hey Guys,
Last night, I walked a new client into the police station as he was on the run for Murder.
He is just 18 years old and is charged, along with another, with the killing of a 21 year old kid who was closing up a liquor store.
I believe it is a gang retaliation issue.
I also represent his twin brother on a gang retaliation stabbing.
It's all so stupid and so sad and an incredible waste of life and all its rewards.
Harley
That woman should have been sterilized.
Two people still alive.
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I can understand why they do this easily. You can live in poverty working minimum wage jobs and dealing with all the bullshit that comes with it just to barely get by or you can make thousands a week.
Not all drug dealers wind up in prison for life. I personally know of a drug dealer who became rich and used that money to start up a very successful nutritional company and still in his thirties is set for life.
The problem is the government believes it is their place to tell you what you can do with your own body. In any business there is going to be disputes. And we have courts and a justice system to deal with that.
The problem with the drug business being illegal, like liquor during the time of Prohibition, is that there is no legal avenue you can pursue to address these disputes. You have to enforce the law yourself. And just like the government, it is only with violence or the threat of violence, that these laws are enforced.
I'm thinking maybe they're battling over sales territory. Because whatever's causing them to throw themselves away while still teenagers, must be very alluring. Drug profits are the only thing I can think of.
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Harley, just asking about young kids from ghetto, in general. Not about anyone in particular. Just want to know your opinion on the problem.
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I'm thinking maybe they're battling over sales territory. Because whatever's causing them to throw themselves away while still teenagers, must be very alluring. Drug profits are the only thing I can think of.
Of course profits are the only thing. Just like it is for Microsoft or McDonalds. But if I tried to make a mom and pop burger joint and call it McDonals and sell Big Macs they can take me to court. With the drug business all I can do is tell them to knock it off. Some listen, some don't. Those that don't get killed. Maybe they fight back and kill back.
I remember when I was doing volunteer work at the Mar Vista Gardens housing project that was control by a Mexican Gang. A Black gang tried to move in and a war broke out. Shootings and deaths every week. The Mexicans won. Business as usual. At least until the next one makes a play.
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If someone is guilty, or at least the evidence is not in his favor, would it be better to have a Jury Trial?
Dear Pellius,
Your question does not lend itself to a strict answer but my trial strategy is as follows:
Whenever the case hinges on a legal technicality, I seek a Judge. He does NOT want to ignore the law for fear
of reversal by a higher court.
Whenever I see an emotional advantage or I need to "convince" at least one juror that there is at least one reasonable
doubt, I go with a jury.
Harley
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Are these cases generally the result of protecting drug profits, Harley? In general, I mean. Teenagers falling into killing people, only to receive long prison sentences before they are adults.
I'm trying to figure out why even a dumb teen couldn't see what a waste it is.
Dear Las Vegas,
These types of cases are very much the result of gang affiliation. My client's twin brother is charged with stabbing a Dominicans Don't Play (DDP) gang member.
The State will perhaps learn that my new client, his twin brother, is accused of the murder of a 21 year old guy who just coincidentally happens to be Dominican.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
These types of cases are very much the result of gang affiliation. My client's twin brother is charged with stabbing a Dominicans Don't Play (DDP) gang member.
The State will perhaps learn that my new client, his twin brother, is accused of the murder of a 21 year old guy who just coincidentally happens to be Dominican.
Harley
so either one admits to both, both go down or none go down because they cant prove who did either? ???
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UPDATE!!!
As some of you might remember, my existence here on GetBig emanates from my responding to an article and photo which was posted about 2 months ago,
entitled "NJ Man Pleads Guilty To Killing Friend With 25 lb. Dumbbell." The photo, depicting me and my client in court, raised the question "Is that lawyer a
GetBigger?" I then thought to respond to this ironically funny post and after quite a bit of self defending the "gimmick" accusation, I landed here.
Well, Esteban Castillo, the defendant who killed his gay lover with the dumbbell was sentenced yesterday but not without some drama.
The victim's family, continually angered by me and always present in large force wearing t-shirts with the victim's photo, appeared for the Sentencing.
I began, by saying that my client loved his boyfriend of 7 years. This immediately caused an outburst of anger directed towards me. I continued in GetBig fashion.
Soon, it was the victim's family's turn to speak. The first person to address the Court was the brother who wore a 1970's 3/4 sleeve jersey with the victim's photo.
He lashed out at everyone and verbally attacked my client. I objected to the ad homonym attacks and said that I would remove my client from the proceeding if it
continued. This exacerbated the family's anger.
Then, the cousin spoke. He threatened to kill Esteban and then pointed his finger at me and made threats. I interrupted him and pointed my finger back and warned
him that threatening me could lead to a similar result which he didn't want.
Subsequent to that, a "former girlfriend" (probably of no lesser poundage than some of the photos guys post here of themselves)claimed to be an "ex-girlfriend" but
offered no reason for the break up. They remained "friends" which is code to me as how many straight guys sustain a relationship with a former ex girlfriend after years
and subsequent marriage and kids?
Then the victim's mom came up. Then all hell broke loose. She was hysterical and passed out in the courtroom. The courtroom was evacuated and paramedics were called.
The Press, present and filming, went nuts. Some 45 minutes later, the Sentencing resumed and upon its conclusion, I was escorted from the courtroom all the way to my car by a Sheriff's Officer.
Just another day at work.
Harley
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Of course profits are the only thing. Just like it is for Microsoft or McDonalds. But if I tried to make a mom and pop burger joint and call it McDonals and sell Big Macs they can take me to court. With the drug business all I can do is tell them to knock it off. Some listen, some don't. Those that don't get killed. Maybe they fight back and kill back.
I remember when I was doing volunteer work at the Mar Vista Gardens housing project that was control by a Mexican Gang. A Black gang tried to move in and a war broke out. Shootings and deaths every week. The Mexicans won. Business as usual. At least until the next one makes a play.
I'm sure you're not defending that.
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UPDATE!!!
As some of you might remember, my existence here on GetBig emanates from my responding to an article and photo which was posted about 2 months ago,
entitled "NJ Man Pleads Guilty To Killing Friend With 25 lb. Dumbbell." The photo, depicting me and my client in court, raised the question "Is that lawyer a
GetBigger?" I then thought to respond to this ironically funny post and after quite a bit of self defending the "gimmick" accusation, I landed here.
Well, Esteban Castillo, the defendant who killed his gay lover with the dumbbell was sentenced yesterday but not without some drama.
The victim's family, continually angered by me and always present in large force wearing t-shirts with the victim's photo, appeared for the Sentencing.
I began, by saying that my client loved his boyfriend of 7 years. This immediately caused an outburst of anger directed towards me. I continued in GetBig fashion.
Soon, it was the victim's family's turn to speak. The first person to address the Court was the brother who wore a 1970's 3/4 sleeve jersey with the victim's photo.
He lashed out at everyone and verbally attacked my client. I objected to the ad homonym attacks and said that I would remove my client from the proceeding if it
continued. This exacerbated the family's anger.
Then, the cousin spoke. He threatened to kill Esteban and then pointed his finger at me and made threats. I interrupted him and pointed my finger back and warned
him that threatening me could lead to a similar result which he didn't want.
Subsequent to that, a "former girlfriend" (probably of no lesser poundage than some of the photos guys post here of themselves)claimed to be an "ex-girlfriend" but
offered no reason for the break up. They remained "friends" which is code to me as how many straight guys sustain a relationship with a former ex girlfriend after years
and subsequent marriage and kids?
Then the victim's mom came up. Then all hell broke loose. She was hysterical and passed out in the courtroom. The courtroom was evacuated and paramedics were called.
The Press, present and filming, went nuts. Some 45 minutes later, the Sentencing resumed and upon its conclusion, I was escorted from the courtroom all the way to my car by a Sheriff's Officer.
Just another day at work.
Harley
In all seriousness, though, it shows that you don't have much realistic choice as to whether you stay armed.
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I'm sure you're not defending that.
Absolutely not.
I'm just make one argument as to why making drugs illegal causes more harm than good. When you look at the money and resources spent on the drug war it's just not worth it.
There's also the principle of the role of government in our lives and as defined by the Constitution. I believe the government is suppose to protect us from each other not to protect us from ourselves.
I do believe in moral persuasion. Educating people on the dangers of alcohol abuse, drug abuse, food abuse... but our society should be very careful and very circumspect when using government coercion.
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UPDATE!!!
As some of you might remember, my existence here on GetBig emanates from my responding to an article and photo which was posted about 2 months ago,
entitled "NJ Man Pleads Guilty To Killing Friend With 25 lb. Dumbbell." The photo, depicting me and my client in court, raised the question "Is that lawyer a
GetBigger?" I then thought to respond to this ironically funny post and after quite a bit of self defending the "gimmick" accusation, I landed here.
Well, Esteban Castillo, the defendant who killed his gay lover with the dumbbell was sentenced yesterday but not without some drama.
The victim's family, continually angered by me and always present in large force wearing t-shirts with the victim's photo, appeared for the Sentencing.
I began, by saying that my client loved his boyfriend of 7 years. This immediately caused an outburst of anger directed towards me. I continued in GetBig fashion.
Soon, it was the victim's family's turn to speak. The first person to address the Court was the brother who wore a 1970's 3/4 sleeve jersey with the victim's photo.
He lashed out at everyone and verbally attacked my client. I objected to the ad homonym attacks and said that I would remove my client from the proceeding if it
continued. This exacerbated the family's anger.
Then, the cousin spoke. He threatened to kill Esteban and then pointed his finger at me and made threats. I interrupted him and pointed my finger back and warned
him that threatening me could lead to a similar result which he didn't want.
Subsequent to that, a "former girlfriend" (probably of no lesser poundage than some of the photos guys post here of themselves)claimed to be an "ex-girlfriend" but
offered no reason for the break up. They remained "friends" which is code to me as how many straight guys sustain a relationship with a former ex girlfriend after years
and subsequent marriage and kids?
Then the victim's mom came up. Then all hell broke loose. She was hysterical and passed out in the courtroom. The courtroom was evacuated and paramedics were called.
The Press, present and filming, went nuts. Some 45 minutes later, the Sentencing resumed and upon its conclusion, I was escorted from the courtroom all the way to my car by a Sheriff's Officer.
Just another day at work.
Harley
Wow! Just wow!
You provide us with insights that we just couldn't get anywhere.
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Dear Pellius,
Your question does not lend itself to a strict answer but my trial strategy is as follows:
Whenever the case hinges on a legal technicality, I seek a Judge. He does NOT want to ignore the law for fear
of reversal by a higher court.
Whenever I see an emotional advantage or I need to "convince" at least one juror that there is at least one reasonable
doubt, I go with a jury.
Harley
A light bulb just went off in my head. That makes perfect sense.
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Absolutely not.
I'm just make one argument as to why making drugs illegal causes more harm than good. When you look at the money and resources spent on the drug war it's just not worth it.
There's also the principle of the role of government in our lives and as defined by the Constitution. I believe the government is suppose to protect us from each other not to protect us from ourselves.
I do believe in moral persuasion. Educating people on the dangers of alcohol abuse, drug abuse, food abuse... but our society should be very careful and very circumspect when using government coercion.
I thought maybe the idea of punks killing one another over territory was simply laissez faire to you.
My problem is that undercover/narcotic squads are up to their worthless, criminal asses in the profits, and they should be held responsible for their part in creating all this misery.
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Harley, just asking about young kids from ghetto, in general. Not about anyone in particular. Just want to know your opinion on the problem.
The point of any gang or mafia is for one thing and one thing only: to make money. For the most part, if you do not interfere with them making money, they will leave you alone.
Of course, mafias and gangs have also killed innocent people, either intentionally or by accident. But for the most part, they just want to make money. Leave them be and you should be okay.................... ........but not always.
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The point of any gang or mafia is for one thing and one thing only: to make money. For the most part, if you do not interfere with them making money, they will leave you alone.
Of course, mafias and gangs have also killed innocent people, either intentionally or by accident. But for the most part, they just want to make money. Leave them be and you should be okay.................... ........but not always.
Yes, so I suppose the problem comes in when multiple people get the wise idea to make money, but their plans are in conflict.
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Yes, so I suppose the problem comes in when multiple people get the wise idea to make money, but their plans are in conflict.
There is often an issue when one gang member X encroaches on another gang members Y territory and starts to sell drugs. That takes money out out gang members Xs pockets. Gang member Y kills gang member X, then gang members X retaliates, etc.
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There is often an issue when one gang member X encroaches on another gang members Y territory and starts to sell drugs. That takes money out out gang members Xs pockets. Gang member Y kills gang member X, then gang members X retaliates, etc.
I guess drug dealers reject the whole "free trade" thing. Funny how such stupid degenerates can see it, but our own brilliant politicians can't.
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SF1900 exposing key psychological components behind thug life in this thread.
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I guess drug dealers reject the whole "free trade" thing. Funny how such stupid degenerates can see it, but our own brilliant politicians can't.
Yes, free-market capitalism doesn't work in the gang world.
The funny thing is that many of these gang members, especially the ones who run it, are actually very smart people. Unfortunately, they just use their skills to peddle drugs, instead of doing something legal.
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Yes, free-market capitalism doesn't work in the gang world.
The funny thing is that many of these gang members, especially the ones who run it, are actually very smart people. Unfortunately, they just use their skills to peddle drugs, instead of doing something legal.
I agree. They are often "emotionally intelligent" too, and they use that to gain the respect necessary to rise in the organization.
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SF1900 exposing key psychological components behind thug life in this thread.
You better believe it!!
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Hey Guys,
Last night, I walked a new client into the police station as he was on the run for Murder.
He is just 18 years old and is charged, along with another, with the killing of a 21 year old kid who was closing up a liquor store.
I believe it is a gang retaliation issue.
I also represent his twin brother on a gang retaliation stabbing.
It's all so stupid and so sad and an incredible waste of life and all its rewards.
Harley
As a matter of interest what colour was he?
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In all seriousness, though, it shows that you don't have much realistic choice as to whether you stay armed.
Dear Las Vegas,
That decision is to be made by a judge while a prosecutor and police chief claim there is no danger to me!!!
A hypocritical system.
How many more innocent deaths will there be on college campuses and churches until the people, the law abiding people, can
protect themselves with guns?
Harley
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As a matter of interest what colour was he?
White and Italian.
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Dear Las Vegas,
That decision is to be made by a judge while a prosecutor and police chief claim there is no danger to me!!!
A hypocritical system.
How many more innocent deaths will there be on college campuses and churches until the people, the law abiding people, can
protect themselves with guns?
Harley
100% agree. The lapses in logic from the hysterical anti-gun buttplug crowd, should SCARE THE BLOODY HELL out of any self-respecting American citizen.
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Hey Guys,
I really don't want to rain on anyone's parade but there is a true side to drug dealing that conflicts with some pop culture theory.
Drug Dealers really are not very smart and are some of the worst businessmen you could ever meet.
I will list just a few examples and while I am aware that some will appear self-serving to the Defense Attorney writing this but think it
through before you type back in opposition:
1) Almost every Drug Dealer refuses to meet with a lawyer BEFORE he is caught. He doesn't even pay for a consultation and ask about what are his
rights regarding common "drug dealing" issues as Consent To Search (does he have to sign the form to have his car or home searched?, are the cops
allowed to threaten to use the K9 Unit against him if he doesn't consent?), Stop and Seizure (why are the cops allowed to stop me simply for having those
damn "my country's" flag hanging from the rear view mirror?), Right to Remain Silent (do I have to answer how many drinks I had or where I was before
I was pulled over for DWI?).
2) Virtually every Drug Dealer refuses to leave money with an attorney BEFORE he is caught. Harley, so what's the problem with that? Well, most guys
have difficulty getting to their "stash" when they are locked up. Their "boys" whom they completed trusted somehow often fail to deliver the "stash" in order
for the bail to be paid or the lawyer to start the case. Most of you have insurance on your cars even though the odds are you will never need it. It may also
be required under your state law. It's a cost of driving, built into the privilege of legally operating a motor vehicle.
Putting money, up front, BEFORE you are arrested into the hands of the Bail Bondsman and the Defense Attorney should be an "operational cost." The Drug
Dealer is going to need both parties.
3) Buying a Range Rover and tinting the windows 2 weeks after you come home from prison (this is without first landing that lucrative Wall Street position) is
also bad business.
I could go on and on but believe me, the lack of organization and education within the drug dealing population is frightening. They know every word to Drake's
songs but they have not a single clue as to the their rights or the laws.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I really don't want to rain on anyone's parade but there is a true side to drug dealing that conflicts with some pop culture theory.
Drug Dealers really are not very smart and are some of the worst businessmen you could ever meet.
I will list just a few examples and while I am aware that some will appear self-serving to the Defense Attorney writing this but think it
through before you type back in opposition:
1) Almost every Drug Dealer refuses to meet with a lawyer BEFORE he is caught. He doesn't even pay for a consultation and ask about what are his
rights regarding common "drug dealing" issues as Consent To Search (does he have to sign the form to have his car or home searched?, are the cops
allowed to threaten to use the K9 Unit against him if he doesn't consent?), Stop and Seizure (why are the cops allowed to stop me simply for having those
damn "my country's" flag hanging from the rear view mirror?), Right to Remain Silent (do I have to answer how many drinks I had or where I was before
I was pulled over for DWI?).
2) Virtually every Drug Dealer refuses to leave money with an attorney BEFORE he is caught. Harley, so what's the problem with that? Well, most guys
have difficulty getting to their "stash" when they are locked up. Their "boys" whom they completed trusted somehow often fail to deliver the "stash" in order
for the bail to be paid or the lawyer to start the case. Most of you have insurance on your cars even though the odds are you will never need it. It may also
be required under your state law. It's a cost of driving, built into the privilege of legally operating a motor vehicle.
Putting money, up front, BEFORE you are arrested into the hands of the Bail Bondsman and the Defense Attorney should be an "operational cost." The Drug
Dealer is going to need both parties.
3) Buying a Range Rover and tinting the windows 2 weeks after you come home from prison (this is without first landing that lucrative Wall Street position) is
also bad business.
I could go on and on but believe me, the lack of organization and education within the drug dealing population is frightening. They know every word to Drake's
songs but they have not a single clue as to the their rights or the laws.
Harley
Even with medical marijuana giving some tiny bit of foothold to those distributing it, you'll still find very few of them thinking ahead to the inevitable.
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White and Italian. Black
Thought so
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Hey Guys,
My latest Murder Case had New Jersey News Channel 12 filming inside the courtroom
and outside at my press conference.
I think they may have edited out my "The Defense Team, including GetBig.com is initiating its own
investigation into who actually committed this murder."
Harley
http://mms.tveyes.com/transcript.asp?StationID=4925&DateTime=10/22/2015%2012:04:30%20PM
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I just read the little bit of info that's been published on this one, Harley. It is interesting.
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I hope you guys liked the bow tie
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I hope you guys liked the bow tie
Loved the golden bowtie Your Breiteness!
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Do any of you guys know how to find pictures from today's court matter?
I am still the computer idiot around here.
Thanks
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Hey Guys,
My latest Murder Case had New Jersey News Channel 12 filming inside the courtroom
and outside at my press conference.
I think they may have edited out my "The Defense Team, including GetBig.com is initiating its own
investigation into who actually committed this murder."
Harley
http://mms.tveyes.com/transcript.asp?StationID=4925&DateTime=10/22/2015%2012:04:30%20PM
Your client has nothing to do with this tragedy? He was the lookout. He was there. He has something to do with it, even if only indirectly. He is an accomplice. Or am I wrong in this assumption?
But I understand you need to lie, in order to help your client get off. ;) ;) ;)
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Your client has nothing to do with this tragedy? He was the lookout. He was there. He has something to do with it, even if only indirectly. He is an accomplice. Or am I wrong in this assumption?
But I understand you need to lie, in order to help your client get off. ;) ;) ;)
Do you think you could be?
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Do you think you could be?
Anyone could be wrong about anything. I don't know, which is why I am asking.
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Dear SF1900,
Why do you say I am lying?
No one has yet to see all of the proofs the State has or will have against my client.
Right now, these are merely allegations and under the law, he is as guilty of the crime right now as are you and I.
We wouldn't want to just believe everything our Government tells us, would we?
Harley
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Anyone could be wrong about anything. I don't know, which is why I am asking.
If you know you could be wrong, then why are you trying to call out Harley?
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We are all good. This is just honest questioning and all part of the discourse.
No love with a photo from today, though?
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We are all good. This is just honest questioning and all part of the discourse.
No love with a photo from today, though?
SF1900 is just pushing buttons. He is actually a good poster and he makes entertaining posts.
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Not too many pics, Harley Maybe no agendas for them to push with the story (yet)
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Only a single cr pic published, but maybe they'll put up more.
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The article on the internet from North Jersey Media has a picture of me with my client.
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The article on the internet from North Jersey Media has a picture of me with my client.
Yep, that's the one and only. But there's a gallery that has about 80 or so of your past CR pics. Will find it tomorrow and link it if you want.
(http://www.northjersey.com/polopoly_fs/1.1438807.1445526460!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_650/soltis-court.jpg)
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Dear SF1900,
Why do you say I am lying?
No one has yet to see all of the proofs the State has or will have against my client.
Right now, these are merely allegations and under the law, he is as guilty of the crime right now as are you and I.
We wouldn't want to just believe everything our Government tells us, would we?
Harley
I never said you were lying. That is why I asked, "Am I wrong in this assumption." In other words, maybe I am misinterpreted the story and he wasn't there. It sounded like he was, thus why I was asking, your Breitness.
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If you know you could be wrong, then why are you trying to call out Harley?
SF1900 is just pushing buttons. He is actually a good poster and he makes entertaining posts.
I wouldn't call it pushing buttons. Id call it stating my opinion about what I perceived to be true based on the youtube video, but also recognizing that I am not a lawyer, thus there is a good chance I could be wrong, which is why I asked him, "Am I wrong in this assumption?"
I have nothing against Harley.
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I never said you were lying. That is why I asked, "Am I wrong in this assumption." In other words, maybe I am misinterpreted the story and he wasn't there. It sounded like he was, thus why I was asking, your Breitness.
"I understand you need to lie"?
Not that I disagree.
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"I understand you need to lie"?
Not that I disagree.
haha lol. Ooops, I forgot I wrote that. ;D ;D
But, come on, he is a laywer. ;D ;D ;D
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haha lol. Ooops, I forgot I wrote that. ;D ;D
But, come on, he is a laywer. ;D ;D ;D
My second sentence, no explanation required.
Just answering the question was all.
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I don't think "lie" is a fair description.
Perhaps be a little vague, but at the same time, you don't want to tip your hand.
If you are a defense attorney, and a good one (Of which I believe Harley to be), then you don't give the prosecution anything until required.
It is the job of the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed the crime they are accused of. If for instance, I know for a fact that I have, during my discovery phase, perhaps found that one piece of evidence or testimony that will completely exonerate my client, you do it in court where the jury can hear it.
Of course there are times where you do certain things in chambers, but still, in general, if for whatever reason, you find the ace after the grand jury, you don't show it during statements to the public. You show it when it can take the prosecution completely off their game.
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My second sentence, no explanation required.
Just answering the question was all.
I know, just making sure!!
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I don't think "lie" is a fair description.
Perhaps be a little vague, but at the same time, you don't want to tip your hand.
If you are a defense attorney, and a good one (Of which I believe Harley to be), then you don't give the prosecution anything until required.
It is the job of the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed the crime they are accused of. If for instance I know for a fact that I have, during my discovery phase, perhaps found that one piece of evidence or testimony that will completely exonerate my client, you do it in court where the jury can hear it.
Of course there are times where you do certain things in chambers, but still, in general, if for whatever reason, you find the ace after the grand jury, you don't show it during statements to the public. You show it when it can take the prosecution completely off their game.
Ok, Tu, not "lie" by definition. Fine. Now, I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT HARLEY specifically, but let me pose a hypothetical:
Client inadvertently admits he killed the guy, right, so you KNOW he's guilty. Is it a lie (by omission) if you don't share this during the trial?
Simply trying to cut through the bullshit is all.
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Ok, Tu, not "lie" by definition. Fine. Now, I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT HARLEY specifically, but let me pose a hypothetical:
Client inadvertently admits he killed the guy, right, so you KNOW he's guilty. Is it a lie (by omission) if you don't share this during the trial?
Simply trying to cut through the bullshit is all.
No... It's not a lie.
Let's say I'm a defense attorney and my client tells me exactly what he did and that he did kill the person.
When I go to trial, I use the law to defend my client and I require the prosecution to PROVE that he committed the crime.
Understand, it's not the defenses job to prove a client didn't do something, it's their job to provide "doubt" that they committed the crime they are accused of.
The prosecution however, has to PROVE the client committed the crime.
For instance, let's say the client did kill someone, but the prosecution has very little evidence. Mostly circumstantial and it's easy to poke holes in this evidence... The odds are likely that even by not lying, I can provide "doubt" that my client did what the prosecution is claiming they did and as such, my clients odds of having something go better for them is higher.
Things like hung juries, jury nullification... Things of that sort.
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No... It's not a lie.
Let's say I'm a defense attorney and my client tells me exactly what he did and that he did kill the person.
When I go to trial, I use the law to defend my client and I require the prosecution to PROVE that he committed the crime.
Understand, it's not the defenses job to prove a client didn't do something, it's their job to provide "doubt" that they committed the crime they are accused of.
The prosecution however, has to PROVE the client committed the crime.
For instance, let's say the client did kill someone, but the prosecution has very little evidence. Mostly circumstantial and it's easy to poke holes in this evidence... The odds are likely that even by not lying, I can provide "doubt" that my client did what the prosecution is claiming they did and as such, my clients odds of having something go better for them is higher.
Things like hung juries, jury nullification... Things of that sort.
No. You turned a simple 'truth or not' question into a buncha legal mumbo jumbo. Since you went the definition route, we need to forget the courtroom for a sec. A similar, yet non-legal hypothetical:
If your wife sleeps with another man, not a lie if she keeps it to herself?
(A little perspective, my ONLY interest.)
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No. You turned a simple 'truth or not' question into a buncha legal mumbo jumbo. Since you went the definition route, we need to forget the courtroom for a sec. A similar, yet non-legal hypothetical:
If your wife sleeps with another man, not a lie if she keeps it to herself?
(A little perspective, my ONLY interest.)
Omission is not a lie.
Is it "dishonest"? Perhaps, but you used the term "lie" and a "lie" is a very specific word.
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No... It's not a lie.
Let's say I'm a defense attorney and my client tells me exactly what he did and that he did kill the person.
When I go to trial, I use the law to defend my client and I require the prosecution to PROVE that he committed the crime.
Understand, it's not the defenses job to prove a client didn't do something, it's their job to provide "doubt" that they committed the crime they are accused of.
The prosecution however, has to PROVE the client committed the crime.
For instance, let's say the client did kill someone, but the prosecution has very little evidence. Mostly circumstantial and it's easy to poke holes in this evidence... The odds are likely that even by not lying, I can provide "doubt" that my client did what the prosecution is claiming they did and as such, my clients odds of having something go better for them is higher.
Things like hung juries, jury nullification... Things of that sort.
Not sure how it works in the USA but a lawyer cant knowingly defend a client he knows is guilty with a not guilty plea as he would be deliberately lying to a court and that's illegal.
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Omission is not a lie.
Is it "dishonest"? Perhaps, but you used the term "lie" and a "lie" is a very specific word.
Exactly. Semantics, not ethics.
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Not sure how it works in the USA but a lawyer cant knowingly defend a client he knows is guilty with a not guilty plea as he would be deliberately lying to a court and that's illegal.
That is not the case in the US.
Exactly. Semantics, not ethics.
Not necessarily.
Ethically it is a defense attorneys responsibility to give the best defense possible.
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That is not the case in the US.
Not necessarily.
Ethically it is a defense attorneys responsibility to give the best defense possible.
So, its obvious that different cultures define "lying" differently when it comes to the law. America does not have a monopoly on whether or not its considered a lie. As stated by "Be There" in his culture, its clearly considered a lie. I agree that it is a lie when you remove all the mumbo jumbo law nonsense. The law has a way of finding a loophole for everything.
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That is not the case in the US.
Not necessarily.
Ethically it is a defense attorneys responsibility to give the best defense possible.
https://www.calbarxap.com/applications/calbar/pdfs/code_section_6068.pdf
(d) To employ, for the purpose of maintaining the causes confided
to him or her those means only as are consistent with truth, and
never to seek to mislead the judge or any judicial officer by an
artifice or false statement of fact or law
Wouldn't entering a not guilty plea when knowing a client is guilty be a breach of this?
Im sure Harley will clear it up for us.
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https://www.calbarxap.com/applications/calbar/pdfs/code_section_6068.pdf
Wouldn't entering a not guilty plea when knowing a client is guilty be a breach of this?
Im sure Harley will clear it up for us.
The plea is the client's. Not the attorney's.
So I don't believe so.
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So, its obvious that different cultures define "lying" differently when it comes to the law. America does not have a monopoly on whether or not its considered a lie. As stated by "Be There" in his culture, its clearly considered a lie. I agree that it is a lie when you remove all the mumbo jumbo law nonsense. The law has a way of finding a loophole for everything.
Lying is lying.
Guilty and guilty in law are different.
Someone is only technically guilty in law when a prosecutor has convinced a judge or jury of a persons guilt.
As for defending a guilty client, I suppose a lawyer could do it but he couldn't at any stage lie during his defence of his client.
Lawyers wont fare well if they knowingly defend guilty people.
http://info.sfcriminallawspecialist.com/bid/82057/How-Lawyers-Defend-a-Guilty-Client-in-a-Criminal-Case
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The plea is the client's. Not the attorney's.
So I don't believe so.
Agreed, its a minefield, see my last post.
It would appear they can defend but at no point can they lie.
If the prosecuting attorney got wind that the defence knew the client was guilty then he would only need to ask and he would have to confirm his clients guilt.
He simply cannot lie about it.
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Agreed, its a minefield, see my last post.
It would appear they can defend but at no point can they lie.
If the prosecuting attorney got wind that the defence knew the client was guilty then he would only need to ask and he would have to confirm his clients guilt.
He simply cannot lie about it.
I believe that is correct but I don't believe that is a question that can be asked of an attorney either.
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Ok, Tu, not "lie" by definition. Fine. Now, I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT HARLEY specifically, but let me pose a hypothetical:
Client inadvertently admits he killed the guy, right, so you KNOW he's guilty. Is it a lie (by omission) if you don't share this during the trial?
Simply trying to cut through the bullshit is all.
I don't think it is a lie to not volunteer information. There may be some legal issue but it's not a lie. If you take the oath to "Tell the truth; the WHOLE truth"; and nothing but the truth. Then there might be an issue
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I believe that is correct but I don't believe that is a question that can be asked of an attorney either.
I'm pretty sure a judge can ask anything he likes from a lawyer, a lawyers first duty is still to the court.
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I'm pretty sure a judge can ask anything he likes from a lawyer, a lawyers first duty is still to the court.
I don't think that's the case.
I suspect Harley can clear this up.
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I don't think that's the case.
I suspect Harley can clear this up.
1. The lawyer's duty to the court is paramount. It is acknowledged that there may be situations in which this duty is inconsistent with the lawyer's duty to their client. However, as Mason CJ observed in Giannerelli v Wraith (1988) 165 CLR 543, 556: 'The duty to the court is paramount and must be performed, even if the client gives instructions to the contrary'.
2. A recognition of the lawyer's duty to the court does not imply that the duty is owed to a particular judge. The duty is actually owed to the community in general as a matter of the public interest in the administration of justice. When it enforces the duty a court will act as a guardian of the due administration of justice.
3. Lawyers' duties to the court are legal duties imposed under the general law. They are personal in nature and non-delegable.
4. A breach of the lawyer's duty to the court constitutes unlawful conduct. Such conduct may not necessarily be unethical. Furthermore, unethical conduct may not necessarily be unlawful.
5. Breach of a lawyer's duty to the court is generally the subject of sanction imposed by summary procedure.
6. A court's jurisdiction to proceed summarily against a lawyer who has breached his or her duty to the court is punitive, as well as compensatory.
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http://www.advocates.ca/assets/files/pdf/bibliography/Duty_to_Court.pdf
APPENDIX A
THE LAW SOCIETY OF UPPER CANADA'S RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT
EXCERPTS OF RULE 4 – RELATIONSHIP TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE
Advocacy
4.01 (2) When acting as an advocate, a lawyer shall not
(a) abuse the process of the tribunal by instituting or prosecuting proceedings which,
although legal in themselves, are clearly motivated by malice on the part of the client and
are brought solely for the purpose of injuring the other party,
(b) knowingly assist or permit the client to do anything that the lawyer considers to be
dishonest or dishonourable,
(c) appear before a judicial officer when the lawyer, the lawyer's associates or the client
have business or personal relationships with the officer that give rise to or might
reasonably appear to give rise to pressure, influence, or inducement affecting the
impartiality of the officer,
(d) endeavour or allow anyone else to endeavour, directly or indirectly, to influence the
decision or action of a tribunal or any of its officials in any case or matter by any means
other than open persuasion as an advocate,
(e) knowingly attempt to deceive a tribunal or influence the course of justice by offering
false evidence, misstating facts or law, presenting or relying upon a false or deceptive
affidavit, suppressing what ought to be disclosed, or otherwise assisting in any fraud,
crime, or illegal conduct,
(f) knowingly misstate the contents of a document, the testimony of a witness, the
substance of an argument, or the provisions of a statute or like authority,
(g) knowingly assert as true a fact when its truth cannot reasonably be supported by the
evidence or as a matter of which notice may be taken by the tribunal,
(h) deliberately refrain from informing the tribunal of any binding authority that the
lawyer considers to be directly on point and that has not been mentioned by an opponent,
(i) dissuade a witness from giving evidence or advise a witness to be absent,
(j) knowingly permit a witness or party to be presented in a false or misleading way or to
impersonate another,
(k) needlessly abuse, hector, or harass a witness,
(l) when representing a complainant or potential complainant, attempt to gain a benefit for
the complainant by threatening the laying of a criminal charge or by offering to seek or to
procure the withdrawal of a criminal charge, and
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(m) needlessly inconvenience a witness
Courtesy
4.01 (6) A lawyer shall be courteous, civil, and act in good faith to the tribunal and with all
persons with whom the lawyer has dealings in the course of litigation.
Encouraging Respect for the Administration of Justice
4.06(1) A lawyer shall encourage public respect for and try to improve the administration of
justice.
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Just a silly game is all.
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Just a silly game is all.
But it keeps the brain occupied.
You should try it.
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I don't think "lie" is a fair description.
Perhaps be a little vague, but at the same time, you don't want to tip your hand.
If you are a defense attorney, and a good one (Of which I believe Harley to be), then you don't give the prosecution anything until required.
It is the job of the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed the crime they are accused of. If for instance, I know for a fact that I have, during my discovery phase, perhaps found that one piece of evidence or testimony that will completely exonerate my client, you do it in court where the jury can hear it.
Of course there are times where you do certain things in chambers, but still, in general, if for whatever reason, you find the ace after the grand jury, you don't show it during statements to the public. You show it when it can take the prosecution completely off their game.
Dear TuHolmes,
Excellent points and wonderful trial strategy!!!
SF1900 and I never have any problems and I was sort of joking in my response to him.
A lawyer isn't lying at the time the State hasn't proven anything unless he himself knows for a fact, 100% that what he says isn't true.
How would I know if my client were there? Even if he says he was there, I myself, wasn't there.
I don't concede anything. Let the State prove my client wasn't in Detroit is what I always say.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
What a fascinating legal and moral debate going on!!! You guys are far more interesting than actual lawyers who bore
the hell out of everyone except themselves.
I am going to clear all this up in a response.
But now, I have to go get my car washed as I have just joined the Ferrari Club of America and will attend tomorrow's
Fall Foliage Rally as my introduction to the Club.
They say they have about 30 Ferraris that will join in for coffee at some exotic dealership and then an hour and half ride
to some place for a nice lunch.
I already asked if this group was a bunch of pretentious assholes and the lady said absolutely not.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
What a fascinating legal and moral debate going on!!! You guys are far more interesting than actual lawyers who bore
the hell out of everyone except themselves.
I am going to clear all this up in a response.
But now, I have to go get my car washed as I have just joined the Ferrari Club of America and will attend tomorrow's
Fall Foliage Rally as my introduction to the Club.
They say they have about 30 Ferraris that will join in for coffee at some exotic dealership and then an hour and half ride
to some place for a nice lunch.
I already asked if this group was a bunch of pretentious assholes and the lady said absolutely not.
Harley
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But it keeps the brain occupied.
You should try it.
By all means, then. Enjoy.
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Hey Guys,
What a fascinating legal and moral debate going on!!! You guys are far more interesting than actual lawyers who bore
the hell out of everyone except themselves.
I am going to clear all this up in a response.
But now, I have to go get my car washed as I have just joined the Ferrari Club of America and will attend tomorrow's
Fall Foliage Rally as my introduction to the Club.
They say they have about 30 Ferraris that will join in for coffee at some exotic dealership and then an hour and half ride
to some place for a nice lunch.
I already asked if this group was a bunch of pretentious assholes and the lady said absolutely not.
Harley
Sounds fun. I'm hoping to buy a corvette soon and join a similar club.
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Dear Broseph,
I have NOT discussed a single thing that the State itself stated in a public courtroom.
Imagine knowing all the facts.
Harley
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Dear Broseph,
Pretty simple. Nothing here is new. All of it has been forwarded for public consumption by the State.
All I have said here is that it is a tragedy that a 21 year old kid lost his life and that my client has professed his innocence and
we will wait to see if the State can actually prove its charges beyond a reasonable doubt.
Harley
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Dear Broseph,
Pretty simple. Nothing here is new. All of it has been forwarded for public consumption by the State.
All I have said here is that it is a tragedy that a 21 year old kid lost his life and that my client has professed his innocence and
we will wait to see if the State can actually prove its charges beyond a reasonable doubt.
Harley
Another wrongly-accused member of the Nuffin family?
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Harley, here are 83 images in a gallery (look for the Page 1, 2, 3, above and below pics, on the right)
http://northjersey.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=1808931&CategoryID=21527&view=1
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Was the Vera Ames-Garnes case related to the profiling situation, Harley? (one of the gallery pics is of you testifying in that)
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Was the Vera Ames-Garnes case related to the profiling situation, Harley? (one of the gallery pics is of you testifying in that)
Dear Las Vegas,
You reference a very controversial period in my life.
Back in the end of the 1990's, my friend, a Muslim, ran for Mayor of a historically White-Dutch town. I supported him and he pulled off an upset and won.
He then asked if I wished to be Judge or Prosecutor of the tiny town, Prospect Park. I declined being a Judge as I don't ever like to "judge" people and it
would have meant my having to stop my criminal defense practice. I suggested my friend and Mentor, Robert Baer. We each took our respective positions
in a hail of political attacks as the Old Dutch didn't know us and me being an unknown Jewish lawyer didn't sit well with them.
Before my first day as Municipal Prosecutor (a once a week job paying $10K per year), I met with the Police Chief and told him that the Racial Profiling of
Blacks and Hispanics simply driving over the hill from Paterson and crossing through this 5 by 14 block town would have to stop. Prospect Park had long been
known for racial profiling but it was going to end now.
The Chief and the Department immediately went to war with me. I would see 14 tickets issued on 1 motor vehicle stop and then speak to the Defendant who
would say he was threatened to have the K9 Unit come and "if he got bit, well, that's an accident that sometimes happens."
I began dismissing each and every ticket I suspected was dirty. Well, the Chief played his politics and the Assignment Judge invested ALL of my plea bargains
over a 2 year period to catch me doing something illegal. There has NEVER been such an investigation into any NJ Municipal Prosecutor in the history of NJ. The
Assignment Judge came up with NOTHING.
Then, the County Prosecutor and I went to war in the newspapers as I was told to shut up and not jeopardize my future legal career. I was told by many, "You're a
Jewish, white attorney making a career for yourself. Why do you want to lose it all for some blacks and Puerto Ricans?" I told them, "Because you and anyone else who
thinks like that is a filthy animal." That did not go over big with the County Prosecutor and The Assignment Judge.
I publicized Racial Profiling in the papers which led to a huge war (all of this can be corroborated by newspaper articles between 1999 and 2000). I forced the town to hire
an independent investigator who concluded that there was indeed, a problem with some members of the police force.
The County Prosecutor then sent one of his people to "watch" me in court. I then told the press that the County Prosecutor, "in his 12 years there, has never once tried a single
case before a jury and now sends his bag carrier to keep an eye on me." I then stopped going to court and let the Assistant Prosecutor do all the work which he didn't want to do
as it was a night job for which he didn't get paid. I still got paid and donated my paychecks to the Animal Control Center.
Just 2 months later, the NJ Supreme Court passed a law (State v. Clark[e]) that said that any Municipal Prosecutor could no longer practice criminal defense within the same county
as his court. This led to a mass exodus of Municipal Prosecutors given the measly pay compared to one's private practice.
Soon after I left, Office Richard Hayman, one of my loudest enemies, was indicted and pled guilty to having sex with a young girl in his police car while on duty. He was forced to resign in disgrace.
The then Captain, last name Franco, (god father to the County Prosecutor's son), was indicted and pled guilty to beating up a juvenile who he had chained to a wall.
I promised I wouldn't stand for Racial Profiling and I didn't. As Malcolm X said when JFK was assassinated, "The chickens have come home to roost."
And by the way, I am the only Municipal Prosecutor in the entire State of New Jersey to leave and not receive a plague from the police department and a proclamation from the town.
I later testified in court when one of those officers whose nickname was "The Grand Master" (a KKK reference) pulled over and abused a Black motorist and then abused a Black Councilwoman.
I was told that testifying like that would also ruin my career. I may not be much, but I am still here and on my own terms!!!!
Harley
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That is some shit, Harley. You got balls, brother. Most guys would've sailed forward with their connections and never looked back.
No one before you took the time to give a damn, that much can't be denied by anyone. The profiling wouldn't have set in like that, otherwise.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thank you and it's all corroborated by the newspaper articles!!!!
I may not like my lack of discipline when it comes to dieting and I may not like certain other elements of myself,
but I am not going to sell out for racial profiling. I might sell out for a perfect pair of implants, but not for some crazy,
racist policy someone expects me to perpetuate. They burned my family in ovens and I don't forget that.
I am getting all riled up now. I want to buy a few more thousand rounds of ammunition. That always makes me feel better.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thank you and it's all corroborated by the newspaper articles!!!!
I may not like my lack of discipline when it comes to dieting and I may not like certain other elements of myself,
but I am not going to sell out for racial profiling. I might sell out for a perfect pair of implants, but not for some crazy,
racist policy someone expects me to perpetuate. They burned my family in ovens and I don't forget that.
I am getting all riled up now. I want to buy a few more thousand rounds of ammunition. That always makes me feel better.
Harley
Yes, I did read about it a while ago. You stood up for things other than your own comfort. How many people do that, really? Not enough of them that I can see.
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Yes, I did read about it a while ago. You stood up for things other than your own comfort. How many people do that, really? Not enough of them that I can see.
Dear Las Vegas,
I never even got to the story of how I had to sue the County of Passaic in federal court. It cost me $10,000 and I told the Judge on day 1,
"Your Honor, I am never going to settle this case for a penny under what it's going to cost me."
I gave a SWORN DEPOSITION calling the local Congressman (William Pascrell) "a crook and that his son who hold the position of County Counsel
was nothing but the undeserving recipient of nepotism and never once tried a single case in his life."
At the end of it all, I was the last person to settle and the judge called me in. I asked if he remembered what I told him back when it all started.
He said, "yes." I replied, "Well I'm "10 Large" into this and it's going to take 10 Large from the County to get me out of it."
He looked at the County's attorney and said, "I suggest you pay him not one penny less than "10 Large" which I assume means Ten-Thousand Dollars."
They paid me.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I never even got to the story of how I had to sue the County of Passaic in federal court. It cost me $10,000 and I told the Judge on day 1,
"Your Honor, I am never going to settle this case for a penny under what it's going to cost me."
I gave a SWORN DEPOSITION calling the local Congressman (William Pascrell) "a crook and that his son who hold the position of County Counsel
was nothing but the undeserving recipient of nepotism and never once tried a single case in his life."
At the end of it all, I was the last person to settle and the judge called me in. I asked if he remembered what I told him back when it all started.
He said, "yes." I replied, "Well I'm "10 Large" into this and it's going to take 10 Large from the County to get me out of it."
He looked at the County's attorney and said, "I suggest you pay him not one penny less than "10 Large" which I assume means Ten-Thousand Dollars."
They paid me.
Harley
Sad part is, I'd bet it still wasn't fair.
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Harley, was pic 22 in gallery taken around the time the courtroom became "disrupted"? I noticed you looked like you wanted to punch someone.
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Harley, was pic 22 in gallery taken around the time the courtroom became "disrupted"? I noticed you looked like you wanted to punch someone.
Dear Las Vegas,
It was either the moment Fernando Chireno answered my question "What is your favorite thing in the whole world to eat" with "I like to eat my own shit."
Or, it was at his sentencing when he said I didn't do all I could to help him.
Or, it was the time I was trying to convince him that "the devil" is not inside a red tie.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
It was either the moment Fernando Chireno answered my question "What is your favorite thing in the whole world to eat" with "I like to eat my own shit."
Or, it was at his sentencing when he said I didn't do all I could to help him.
Or, it was the time I was trying to convince him that "the devil" is not inside a red tie.
Harley
Yah, I got the idea that guy is bananas when I read about him. I figured it might have something to do with it. That must have been draining to deal with.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thank you and it's all corroborated by the newspaper articles!!!!
I may not like my lack of discipline when it comes to dieting and I may not like certain other elements of myself,
but I am not going to sell out for racial profiling. I might sell out for a perfect pair of implants, but not for some crazy,
racist policy someone expects me to perpetuate. They burned my family in ovens and I don't forget that.
I am getting all riled up now. I want to buy a few more thousand rounds of ammunition. That always makes me feel better.
Harley
Much respect, Harley.
I always say that of all the virtues that a man can aspire to: generosity, compassion, goodness..., it is courage that is the most
rare.
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Courage is also the hardest to muster.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thank you and it's all corroborated by the newspaper articles!!!!
I may not like my lack of discipline when it comes to dieting and I may not like certain other elements of myself,
but I am not going to sell out for racial profiling. I might sell out for a perfect pair of implants, but not for some crazy,
racist policy someone expects me to perpetuate. They burned my family in ovens and I don't forget that.
I am getting all riled up now. I want to buy a few more thousand rounds of ammunition. That always makes me feel better.
Harley
This statement gave me goosebumps.
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Hey Guys,
What a fascinating legal and moral debate going on!!! You guys are far more interesting than actual lawyers who bore
the hell out of everyone except themselves.
I am going to clear all this up in a response.
But now, I have to go get my car washed as I have just joined the Ferrari Club of America and will attend tomorrow's
Fall Foliage Rally as my introduction to the Club.
They say they have about 30 Ferraris that will join in for coffee at some exotic dealership and then an hour and half ride
to some place for a nice lunch.
I already asked if this group was a bunch of pretentious assholes and the lady said absolutely not.
Harley
att Harley
Can you defend someone you know is guilty and at what point would you bee seen to be misleading lying to the court.
And could a judge or prosecutor ask you outright if you knew of your clients guilt.
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Legal/Moral Debate Response:
Part One
Dear Guys,
All of your questions are provocative and interesting.
First, an attorney is NEVER under any obligation to tell a Judge or a Prosecutor that his Client is in fact, guilty.
The Lawyer could ONLY state that he "knows" such a thing if the Client himself admitted guilt to the attorney and NOT based upon the evidence, regardless of how damning or how irrefutable.
EVEN THEN, a Lawyer can not state that his client is "guilty."
Now, the exception to that rule can arise when a Client makes a Post Conviction application to a court claiming that the lawyer should be found to have been
of "Ineffective Assistance of Counsel." Perhaps the following may be of interest:
On March 2, 2008, around midnight, Mahmoud Chaghlil (Victim), was the Night Manager at Kamil’s Restaurant and ending his shift. He locked the door and headed toward his apartment at back of the restaurant.
Ashraf Habib, a cook at Kamil’s, heard shouting and went to the door where he saw 2 men running up Vreeland Ave toward Day St.
One person running was wearing a black sweatshirt.
The Victim, struck in the head by a baseball bat, suffered head trauma and was placed in ambulance.
The police located 2 Defendants on Marilyn Place, walking quickly southbound, just before Rt. 46. The Officer stopped them, noticed blood and inquired.
Fajer Dhaglas denied any injury – claimed he was coming from a friend’s house, but couldn’t say who.
The Officer noticed a bulge in his pants – (he says he saw the eye holes) He recovers a ski mask from Fajer’s pants.
The Officer brings them back to scene for a show-up band takes them one by one to the ambulance. The Victim identified the clothing of Fajer and the actual identity of the other Defendant, Bilal Baellaki.
At the police station, Bilal Baellaki, admits involvement and tells police that Fajer struck the Victim with a baseball bat. Bilal says the motive for the robbery was to get money to pay for Fajer's parking tickets.
The police locate a baseball bat in gutter in front of 18 Vreeland Ave. where Fajer was seen running.
The Victim tells police that they tried to drag him into his own apartment – presumably to render him more vulnerable. He then tells police that they then tried to drag him up the street. The Victim spent 4 or 5 days in hospital.
The clothes worn by Fajer were stained with the blood of the Victim as confirmed by DNA results. The $727 found on Fajer was stained with the blood of the Victim. Fajer was a former employee of the restaurant and knew the habits of the Manager, Victim.
Fajer Dhaglas was facing 20 Years in New Jersey State Prison and would've served 17 Years before becoming eligible for Parole. He chose to accept a plea offer of 5 Years which I was only able to obtain after quite an arduous ordeal.
Although knowing full well he would be deported after his sentence, Fajer has, through his new female attorney, filed a claim that I never advised him he would be deported (there is an entire section on the actual Plea Form telling him he will be deported which he circled and signed and the Judge read this to him during his plea). He also claims my assistance was ineffective.
I am, this Tuesday morning, being ordered to testify on behalf of the State to refute these claims. Attorney Client Privilege is thus waived and I am now able to tell the Court, on record, that my client admitted his guilt to me on our very first meeting, attempted to pay off the victim in an attempt to have the matter dismissed and lastly, told me he didn't care about being deported as he had "enough of your country."
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Dear SF1900,
Why do you say I am lying?
No one has yet to see all of the proofs the State has or will have against my client.
Right now, these are merely allegations and under the law, he is as guilty of the crime right now as are you and I.
We wouldn't want to just believe everything our Government tells us, would we?
Harley
I haven't been following this thread, and this is the first post I read here in a while. reading this post with no context, it would seem you mean 'convicted', not 'guilty'?
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Dear Hazbin,
We had been using "guilty" as the legal term designated to represent culpability after a verdict or plea.
I believe the moral issue rested upon the idea of "responsibility."
I hope that helps.
Harley
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Legal/Moral Debate Response:
Part One
Dear Guys,
All of your questions are provocative and interesting.
First, an attorney is NEVER under any obligation to tell a Judge or a Prosecutor that his Client is in fact, guilty.
The Lawyer could ONLY state that he "knows" such a thing if the Client himself admitted guilt to the attorney and NOT based upon the evidence, regardless of how damning or how irrefutable.
EVEN THEN, a Lawyer can not state that his client is "guilty."
Guilty in law or guilty as in he did it?
Two completely separate things wont you agree Harley.
Guilty in law doesn't mean someone did anything at all, it just means a prosecutor convinced a jury or judge that it was true.
So, lets change the wording, would you be under any obligation if the client confessed to committing the crime?
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Dear Be There,
I agree that there is a difference but only on the moral argument.
No, the lawyer is not permitted to tell anyone that the client admitted his "responsibility" to him.
Only a Trial or a Guilty Plea can lead to "Guilty" in the law.
What one's true "responsibility" is provides the moral answer.
I think it's very important to separate the "law" from the "morality" and then we can see that "guilty" is just a legal
term as opposed to "responsibility" which calls into question one's conscience, morality and true actions.
Harley
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Dear Guys,
I was hoping to get more response to the first part of my answer before I moved on but I will continue:
A lawyer can NOT put his client on the stand to testify if he is SURE that his client is going to tell a story
completely contrary to what the client admitted to the attorney in confidence AND ONLY IF the attorney believes
the client BELIEVES he is lying.
I look forward to watching all the nuances to come.
HINT: Is the lawyer committing a violation if his client is mentally unstable and changes his story and actually believes
the new story is the truth?
Harley
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Dear Be There,
I agree that there is a difference but only on the moral argument.
No, the lawyer is not permitted to tell anyone that the client admitted his "responsibility" to him.
Only a Trial or a Guilty Plea can lead to "Guilty" in the law.
What one's true "responsibility" is provides the moral answer.
I think it's very important to separate the "law" from the "morality" and then we can see that "guilty" is just a legal
term as opposed to "responsibility" which calls into question one's conscience, morality and true actions.
Harley
So would you not be morally obligated to drop a client who admitted his crime?
Surely defending him would be morally wrong.
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Dear Guys,
I was hoping to get more response to the first part of my answer before I moved on but I will continue:
A lawyer can NOT put his client on the stand to testify if he is SURE that his client is going to tell a story
completely contrary to what the client admitted to the attorney in confidence AND ONLY IF the attorney believes
the client BELIEVES he is lying.
I look forward to watching all the nuances to come.
HINT: Is the lawyer committing a violation if his client is mentally unstable and changes his story and actually believes
the new story is the truth?
Harley
Sure?
You can never be sure of anything.
"Belief" is a very loose word in law.
How do you establish "belief"?
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So would you not be morally obligated to drop a client who admitted his crime?
Surely defending him would be morally wrong.
Dear Be There,
As I have mentioned and Pellius has written at length, the idea of universal versus individual morality has no definitive answer, only
ideas and positions.
I have stated my position on why I represent those whom I represent. I don't want to bore you guys with the same speech.
Harley
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Sure?
You can never be sure of anything.
"Belief" is a very loose word in law.
How do you establish "belief"?
Dear Be There,
If your client tells you that he will tell a different story than he has told you in confidence, then you, the lawyer, can say
you "know" the client will lie under oath.
No one can ever tell if another person, especially some of the accused, are in fact, feigning or in actual belief of what they say.
I have a client right now on trial for killing a woman while he was 3.5 times over the legal limit for DWI. The cops arrived at the scene,
his truck was in front of the body, he had a half empty bottle of whiskey inside, 2 witnesses told the cops they saw him hit the woman, the
client the next day gave a 32 minute video taped confession.
He has decided to ruin my defense and take the stand and say he wasn't there!!!! I had issues as to whether or not to stay with the case as I
am sure now to lose, but I stayed. I don't "know" if this guy really has deluded himself into truly believing he wasn't there or if he is putting us on.
I just don't "know" for sure or I don't have enough belief to feel he is surely putting us on.
Many of the issues raised in this wonderful discourse don't have a certain, black or white answer and that is why cultures, scholars and GetBiggers
have spent thousands of years trying to tackle these issues. The human species is enormously complex and sometimes unable to answer its own
questions.
Harley
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So would you not be morally obligated to drop a client who admitted his crime?
Surely defending him would be morally wrong.
I think you would want to at least make sure your client is getting a fair sentence since penalties vary so widely among similar crimes.
Jon Jones has been reinstated into the UFC in less than a year and he's tested positive for cocaine and a hit and run. Nick Diaz is suspended for five years, effectively ending his career, for testing positive for weed. A drug that is legal in some States and will be legal in all States by the time Diaz's sentence is up.
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Dear Be There,
If your client tells you that he will tell a different story than he has told you in confidence, then you, the lawyer, can say
you "know" the client will lie under oath.
No one can ever tell if another person, especially some of the accused, are in fact, feigning or in actual belief of what they say.
I have a client right now on trial for killing a woman while he was 3.5 times over the legal limit for DWI. The cops arrived at the scene,
his truck was in front of the body, he had a half empty bottle of whiskey inside, 2 witnesses told the cops they saw him hit the woman, the
client the next day gave a 32 minute video taped confession.
He has decided to ruin my defense and take the stand and say he wasn't there!!!! I had issues as to whether or not to stay with the case as I
am sure now to lose, but I stayed. I don't "know" if this guy really has deluded himself into truly believing he wasn't there or if he is putting us on.
I just don't "know" for sure or I don't have enough belief to feel he is surely putting us on.
Many of the issues raised in this wonderful discourse don't have a certain, black or white answer and that is why cultures, scholars and GetBiggers
have spent thousands of years trying to tackle these issues. The human species is enormously complex and sometimes unable to answer its own
questions.
Harley
What if he told a lie to you in confidence and what he was about to say on court was the truth?
Then you are in fact calling him a liar when in fact it's the truth.
It seems to be that to become a lawyer you have to leave your morals at the door once you step through it.
Knowingly defending pedophiles and rapists you know on occasion have committed these crimes before trial.
Not slating people for doing that, its a living after all.
The legal profession requires people to do it or there would be no defence lawyers, or at least none who would willingly work their asses off to get a pedophile a not guilty verdict when he knew he wasnt.
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It appears that the legal profession is not about finding out who did wrong and punishing them accordingly.
Its a game played by the prosecution and defence with the accused being the ones who benefit or suffer as a result of the game.
Plea bargains, absolutely disgusting practice.
Forcing people into guilty pleas with the threat of a long sentence if they don't, all to make the courts job easier.
All the loopholes of "diminished responsibility" and "not mentally fit to stand trial", its just a game.
No wonder lawyers get such a bad rep.
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Harley, I meant to tell you that Doc Chimps wrote a review you'll be interested in:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=377521.msg8252266#msg8252266
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I'm still waiting to find out about that better way. What could it be? Maybe there's a good answer.
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Dear Be There,
I never "left my morals at the door."
It sounds as if no one else has a job where they have to make compromises, decisions and or use discretion.
You say plea bargains are disgusting, well what do you propose as the alternative? No one is forced to accept a plea bargain and
in fact, a Defendant is NOT entitled to any plea bargain whatsoever. I have had many murder trials because the State refused to
offer a plea bargain. Why would my client plead guilty to the entire indictment if no offer is made? No one would and therefore, it is the
State who forced those trials.
I am not here to pat myself on the bat but I have, through my law degree, been able to help many people. I guess then, you would say that
I had walked back out the door and returned temporarily with my morals.
What I do is not so glorious or rewarding. It's not always fun or interesting. I chose to do it and have no regrets for that. I didn't create this system
and believe me, every time I tried to make some positive change, I was fought with resistance. I guess you didn't read the post concerning my time
as a Municipal Prosecutor.
Harley
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Dear Be There,
I never "left my morals at the door."
It sounds as if no one else has a job where they have to make compromises, decisions and or use discretion.
You say plea bargains are disgusting, well what do you propose as the alternative? No one is forced to accept a plea bargain and
in fact, a Defendant is NOT entitled to any plea bargain whatsoever. I have had many murder trials because the State refused to
offer a plea bargain. Why would my client plead guilty to the entire indictment if no offer is made? No one would and therefore, it is the
State who forced those trials.
I am not here to pat myself on the bat but I have, through my law degree, been able to help many people. I guess then, you would say that
I had walked back out the door and returned temporarily with my morals.
What I do is not so glorious or rewarding. It's not always fun or interesting. I chose to do it and have no regrets for that. I didn't create this system
and believe me, every time I tried to make some positive change, I was fought with resistance. I guess you didn't read the post concerning my time
as a Municipal Prosecutor.
Harley
If someone is accused of a crime the prosecution should prosecute based on the evidence.
Shitbags and killers are being offered lighter sentences to go guilty.
Fuck that, prosecute them to the full extent of the law.
It sounds as if no one else has a job where they have to make compromises, decisions and or use discretion.
Not many make decisions that allow pedos to walk when they know they have committed the crime.
everything you have said above about a lawyers actions are immoral to some degree.
Here is another moral dilemma
A cop investigating a murder knows for sure that the accused is guilty, yet if he writes his report honestly the perpetrator will get off on a technicality due to an evidential collection error.
Now, do you omit the error and just leave it out and ensure a conviction or remove it and let the killer go free?
Morals and justice have nothing to do with each other.
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Dear Be There,
I never "left my morals at the door."
It sounds as if no one else has a job where they have to make compromises, decisions and or use discretion.
You say plea bargains are disgusting, well what do you propose as the alternative? No one is forced to accept a plea bargain and
in fact, a Defendant is NOT entitled to any plea bargain whatsoever. I have had many murder trials because the State refused to
offer a plea bargain. Why would my client plead guilty to the entire indictment if no offer is made? No one would and therefore, it is the
State who forced those trials.
I am not here to pat myself on the bat but I have, through my law degree, been able to help many people. I guess then, you would say that
I had walked back out the door and returned temporarily with my morals.
What I do is not so glorious or rewarding. It's not always fun or interesting. I chose to do it and have no regrets for that. I didn't create this system
and believe me, every time I tried to make some positive change, I was fought with resistance. I guess you didn't read the post concerning my time
as a Municipal Prosecutor.
Harley
I think he was more insinuating that most cases are DA-driven 'plea' deals rather than actually being adjudicated. What is the %? Gotta be north of 95%? And, with DA incumbency, the likelihood to press for sentences of more than a year, thus passing on costs to state and not the electoral county, has to be a huge factor. ???
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Sounds like the prosecutors are causing trouble. Can't say I disagree.
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How was the Rally, Harley?
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Dear Las Vegas,
The Ferrari Rally was very nice, but as usual, it turns into more of a race than a rally.
I met some very nice people and we had a very nice talk over lunch.
What I liked most was that no one was arrogant or pretentious.
Harley
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If someone is accused of a crime the prosecution should prosecute based on the evidence.
Shitbags and killers are being offered lighter sentences to go guilty.
Fuck that, prosecute them to the full extent of the law.
Not many make decisions that allow pedos to walk when they know they have committed the crime.
everything you have said above about a lawyers actions are immoral to some degree.
Here is another moral dilemma
A cop investigating a murder knows for sure that the accused is guilty, yet if he writes his report honestly the perpetrator will get off on a technicality due to an evidential collection error.
Now, do you omit the error and just leave it out and ensure a conviction or remove it and let the killer go free?
Morals and justice have nothing to do with each other.
Do you work in the legal proffession or are you just trolling like always?...you are another person who brings up this "Pedo" word a lot.
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Do you work in the legal proffession or are you just trolling like always?...you are another person who brings up this "Pedo" word a lot.
Lets see why I chose that crime
Not many make decisions that allow people who dodge parking tickets to walk when they know they have committed the crime.
Doesn't really have the same impact does it?
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Dear Las Vegas,
The Ferrari Rally was very nice, but as usual, it turns into more of a race than a rally.
I met some very nice people and we had a very nice talk over lunch.
What I liked most was that no one was arrogant or pretentious.
Harley
;D Yes, I couldn't have imagined it would have turned out any other way.
Anyone ticketed?
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If someone is accused of a crime the prosecution should prosecute based on the evidence.
Shitbags and killers are being offered lighter sentences to go guilty.
Fuck that, prosecute them to the full extent of the law.
Not many make decisions that allow pedos to walk when they know they have committed the crime.
everything you have said above about a lawyers actions are immoral to some degree.
Here is another moral dilemma
A cop investigating a murder knows for sure that the accused is guilty, yet if he writes his report honestly the perpetrator will get off on a technicality due to an evidential collection error.
Now, do you omit the error and just leave it out and ensure a conviction or remove it and let the killer go free?
Morals and justice have nothing to do with each other.
What did you mean by this part, BT?
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What did you mean by this part, BT?
its self explanatory.
Put yourself in the place of the cop, do you omit the evidence or put it in to ensure the guilty guy walks?
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its self explanatory.
Put yourself in the place of the cop, do you omit the evidence or put it in to ensure the guilty guy walks?
Can you give a scenario?
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Can you give a scenario?
it is a scenario.
the crime is murder.
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it is a scenario.
the crime is murder.
What does the cop know, and how does he discover it?
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What does the cop know, and how does he discover it?
fails to read him his rights properly, only he knows this.
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fails to read him his rights properly, only he knows this.
To say that he intended to inform the person of his rights, but that he failed to do that, you mean?
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To say that he intended to inform the person of his rights, but that he failed to do that, you mean?
No, you are getting the wrong end of the stick, what I mean is that an underwater banana clearly goes backwards towards Afghanistan and as such the differential motor always gives an incorrect reading as opposed to the latter.
now fuck off.
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No, you are getting the wrong end of the stick, what I mean is that an underwater banana clearly goes backwards towards Afghanistan and as such the differential motor always gives an incorrect reading as opposed to the latter.
now fuck off.
???
You have the most respectable approach to BBing on this site, IMO. I can't believe a fucking hypothetical cop might stop me from ever being able to ask you more about it.
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No one in the Ferrari Rally was issued a ticket but a few idiots pulled into the line and got in the way.
They were quickly passed.
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???
You have the most respectable approach to BBing on this site, IMO. I can't believe a fucking hypothetical cop might stop me from ever being able to ask you more about it.
Im not sure whos gimmick you are but gimmick you are.
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Dear Friends,
I am happy to invite you to our annual Halloween Party for the Mentally and Physically Challenged persons. This year's event takes place on Wednesday, October 28th at the Athenia Veteran's Hall on 147 Huron Ave (right off Van Houten by Mario's) in Clifton. The party starts at 7:00 pm sharp so please be on time.
We are very excited to have our group of "special friends" to be our guests. Over the past 20 years, we have increased the number of our special guests from 32 to 200!!! That's right, we have 200 Special Friends!!!
There will be plenty of dancing to the groovy tunes of our delicious DJ, Ferris The Fantastic. DJ Ferris, hot off his European tour of some of the world's most famous venues, will raise the roof with his bumpin' tunes and gifts for the crowd.
Fine dining will be brought in from 2 of America's most renown Italian eateries. There will be enough pizza and soda to re-fuel everyone throughout the night's high-paced activities.
We are also pleased to bring back both Party Bob and Dee-Lite, two of the world's most accomplished balloon artists. Gone are the days of simplistic dogs and ears. Come see the awe-inspiring creations of these revolutionary artists as they create Disney characters, monkeys hanging from trees while eating bananas and a whole host of other intricate and amusing balloon designs. All kids go home with their choice of balloon character.
Special guest appearance by Professional Mixed Martial Arts Champion, Sean "Shorty-Rock" Santella. Sean will bring his Championship Belt and sign autographs and take pictures with everyone.
Also, we have 2 of the UFC top fighters in Jim and Dan Miller. Come shake their hands, take a photo but don't try to choke them out.
Craig Richardson, IFBB Professional Bodybuilder will also be appearing for a live guest appearance and free autograph signing.
Of course, don't forget about Ron from U Can Do and his incredible pinball machine that can be played by literally everyone, no matter the challenge. Ron has built pin ball machines for people who have lost the use of their arms and legs. You will be amazed.
Far from done, we also have our famed photographer Marvin "Hey Man, I'm Just a Kid" Chambers taking and printing photos of all the kids in their splendid costumes. Each and every person leaves with a beautifully framed photo!!!
Please come and bring the kids and show your support for those less fortunate than ourselves. I am not asking anyone for donations. I just want you to come and share in this special event. You will never be disappointed!!!
We look forward to seeing you there and please bring any kids and guests. We expect you to all be in costume or at least, the kids. And yes, as the below picture demonstrates, even I appear in appropriate attire for our party!!!
Again, come and truly feel the spirit of giving. This is one of those rare occasions where you actually do receive more than you give.
Be there or be square.
Sincerely,
Harley
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Im not sure whos gimmick you are but gimmick you are.
Am serious. Think what you want. I'm done with you.
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;D jk..no offense meant. no offense taken.
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Am serious. Think what you want. I'm done with you.
Junioresque language of peace.
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;D jk..no offense meant. no offense taken.
junioresque bi-polar behaviour of peace
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junioresque bi-polar behaviour of peace
Aren't you the one who snapped over a simple question?
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Aren't you the one who snapped over a simple question?
No, Im the one who recognised that you were trolling, no one could have been that dumb as to not work out the obvious scenario.
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And 'I'm done w you' was my response to being told to fuck off
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And 'I'm done w you' was my response to being told to fuck off
Yet here you still are trying to ruin Harleys thread.
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Hey Gus,
A little peace. No need to argue. It's a bad Monday for all of us.
Let's remember, we are GetBiggers and we can't always fight amongst ourselves.
There are way too many assholes out there who we need to slay.
By the way, I still don't get that whole DLB thing. Do you guys really find her attractive or sexy?
Harley
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And 'I'm done w you' was my response to being told to fuck off
Said in fun. No one here pisses me off. It's probably 90pct entertainment.
No, Im the one who recognised that you were trolling, no one could have been that dumb as to not work out the obvious scenario.
I thought that's what we were doing.
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Hey Gus,
A little peace. No need to argue. It's a bad Monday for all of us.
Let's remember, we are GetBiggers and we can't always fight amongst ourselves.
There are way too many assholes out there who we need to slay.
By the way, I still don't get that whole DLB thing. Do you guys really find her attractive or sexy?
Harley
Not really on DLB. I can see how some may, though.
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Hey Gus,
A little peace. No need to argue. It's a bad Monday for all of us.
Let's remember, we are GetBiggers and we can't always fight amongst ourselves.
There are way too many assholes out there who we need to slay.
By the way, I still don't get that whole DLB thing. Do you guys really find her attractive or sexy?
Harley
Some people are just into the equestrian lifestyle.
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Dear Harley,
DLB used to be a quite attractive girl, and still looked OK through the "Isolator" years.
Old DLB:
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Dear Friends,
I am happy to invite you to our annual Halloween Party for the Mentally and Physically Challenged persons. This year's event takes place on Wednesday, October 28th at the Athenia Veteran's Hall on 147 Huron Ave (right off Van Houten by Mario's) in Clifton. The party starts at 7:00 pm sharp so please be on time.
We are very excited to have our group of "special friends" to be our guests. Over the past 20 years, we have increased the number of our special guests from 32 to 200!!! That's right, we have 200 Special Friends!!!
There will be plenty of dancing to the groovy tunes of our delicious DJ, Ferris The Fantastic. DJ Ferris, hot off his European tour of some of the world's most famous venues, will raise the roof with his bumpin' tunes and gifts for the crowd.
Fine dining will be brought in from 2 of America's most renown Italian eateries. There will be enough pizza and soda to re-fuel everyone throughout the night's high-paced activities.
We are also pleased to bring back both Party Bob and Dee-Lite, two of the world's most accomplished balloon artists. Gone are the days of simplistic dogs and ears. Come see the awe-inspiring creations of these revolutionary artists as they create Disney characters, monkeys hanging from trees while eating bananas and a whole host of other intricate and amusing balloon designs. All kids go home with their choice of balloon character.
Special guest appearance by Professional Mixed Martial Arts Champion, Sean "Shorty-Rock" Santella. Sean will bring his Championship Belt and sign autographs and take pictures with everyone.
Also, we have 2 of the UFC top fighters in Jim and Dan Miller. Come shake their hands, take a photo but don't try to choke them out.
Craig Richardson, IFBB Professional Bodybuilder will also be appearing for a live guest appearance and free autograph signing.
Of course, don't forget about Ron from U Can Do and his incredible pinball machine that can be played by literally everyone, no matter the challenge. Ron has built pin ball machines for people who have lost the use of their arms and legs. You will be amazed.
Far from done, we also have our famed photographer Marvin "Hey Man, I'm Just a Kid" Chambers taking and printing photos of all the kids in their splendid costumes. Each and every person leaves with a beautifully framed photo!!!
Please come and bring the kids and show your support for those less fortunate than ourselves. I am not asking anyone for donations. I just want you to come and share in this special event. You will never be disappointed!!!
We look forward to seeing you there and please bring any kids and guests. We expect you to all be in costume or at least, the kids. And yes, as the below picture demonstrates, even I appear in appropriate attire for our party!!!
Again, come and truly feel the spirit of giving. This is one of those rare occasions where you actually do receive more than you give.
Be there or be square.
Sincerely,
Harley
Harley, this is most excellent. I've seen the videos and you really are a man of heart. (did you mean to include pic as mentioned, or this from a previous copy and paste? Picture does not show)
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Btw, Jeff: the 'serious' related to my previous post. I meant that.
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Btw, Jeff: the 'serious' related to my previous post. I meant that.
Is that a threat joon?
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Is that a threat joon?
A threat, to say you have the most respectable approach to BBing on GB?
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The Harley's Kids Party would only be enriched with even more celebrities should any of you GetBiggers come and join us!!!!
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Dear Friends,
I am happy to invite you to our annual Halloween Party for the Mentally and Physically Challenged persons. This year's event takes place on Wednesday, October 28th at the Athenia Veteran's Hall on 147 Huron Ave (right off Van Houten by Mario's) in Clifton. The party starts at 7:00 pm sharp so please be on time.
We are very excited to have our group of "special friends" to be our guests. Over the past 20 years, we have increased the number of our special guests from 32 to 200!!! That's right, we have 200 Special Friends!!!
There will be plenty of dancing to the groovy tunes of our delicious DJ, Ferris The Fantastic. DJ Ferris, hot off his European tour of some of the world's most famous venues, will raise the roof with his bumpin' tunes and gifts for the crowd.
Fine dining will be brought in from 2 of America's most renown Italian eateries. There will be enough pizza and soda to re-fuel everyone throughout the night's high-paced activities.
We are also pleased to bring back both Party Bob and Dee-Lite, two of the world's most accomplished balloon artists. Gone are the days of simplistic dogs and ears. Come see the awe-inspiring creations of these revolutionary artists as they create Disney characters, monkeys hanging from trees while eating bananas and a whole host of other intricate and amusing balloon designs. All kids go home with their choice of balloon character.
Special guest appearance by Professional Mixed Martial Arts Champion, Sean "Shorty-Rock" Santella. Sean will bring his Championship Belt and sign autographs and take pictures with everyone.
Also, we have 2 of the UFC top fighters in Jim and Dan Miller. Come shake their hands, take a photo but don't try to choke them out.
Craig Richardson, IFBB Professional Bodybuilder will also be appearing for a live guest appearance and free autograph signing.
Of course, don't forget about Ron from U Can Do and his incredible pinball machine that can be played by literally everyone, no matter the challenge. Ron has built pin ball machines for people who have lost the use of their arms and legs. You will be amazed.
Far from done, we also have our famed photographer Marvin "Hey Man, I'm Just a Kid" Chambers taking and printing photos of all the kids in their splendid costumes. Each and every person leaves with a beautifully framed photo!!!
Please come and bring the kids and show your support for those less fortunate than ourselves. I am not asking anyone for donations. I just want you to come and share in this special event. You will never be disappointed!!!
We look forward to seeing you there and please bring any kids and guests. We expect you to all be in costume or at least, the kids. And yes, as the below picture demonstrates, even I appear in appropriate attire for our party!!!
Again, come and truly feel the spirit of giving. This is one of those rare occasions where you actually do receive more than you give.
Be there or be square.
Sincerely,
Harley
You really know how to promote something. Great writing and really excites the reader.
I'm not much of a party person and not really a big fan of Halloween but, damn, I wish I could go to this.
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Hey Gus,
A little peace. No need to argue. It's a bad Monday for all of us.
Let's remember, we are GetBiggers and we can't always fight amongst ourselves.
There are way too many assholes out there who we need to slay.
By the way, I still don't get that whole DLB thing. Do you guys really find her attractive or sexy?
Harley
NOOOOO! What would make you think such a thing? It's not so much her looks but what she represents. She can be describe, as a former board member and steroid and bbing guru, gh15, as "generation nothingness".
The fact that she can be so successful with those endless duck face selfies says more about what our culture has become than they do about her.
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You really know how to promote something. Great writing and really excites the reader.
I'm not much of a party person and not really a big fan of Halloween but, damn, I wish I could go to this.
Dear Pellius,
Thanks very much. I don't actually "promote" the parties. For the first 12 yeas or so, I never even told my parents or friends I was doing this.
It then became apparent to me that many of my friends spoiled their own kids to the point where if they didn't have the newest iPhone the minute
it was released, their kid was "deprived." I then said, "What the hell". It was time to bring people to a place where they not only can do a world of
good without spending a dime but also be reminded just how lucky they are. Every day I wake up and I'm not physically or mentally challenged, the
rest of what I have is just gravy on the potatoes (believe me I would love some of that right now). Most of us are so blessed but we get caught up in
the nonsense projected upon us by all the other unhappy people who define themselves by their workplace. I say, it's time to smile just a little more,
it's time to throw out a compliment once a day to a woman whom you just know doesn't hear it often (hey, I really like your hair), etc.
Sometimes, just a little smile or nice word changes a person's entire day. I am such a flawed human being that there is practically no hope for me but
I spend a great deal of time trying to figure out how to make myself a little better than I am. With all the conflict inside of me, I figure the best thing I
can do is throw a little something nice out to someone who isn't expecting it but could sure use it and believe me, the members of Harley's Kids could sure
use it.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
Thanks very much. I don't actually "promote" the parties. For the first 12 yeas or so, I never even told my parents or friends I was doing this.
It then became apparent to me that many of my friends spoiled their own kids to the point where if they didn't have the newest iPhone the minute
it was released, their kid was "deprived." I then said, "What the hell". It was time to bring people to a place where they not only can do a world of
good without spending a dime but also be reminded just how lucky they are. Every day I wake up and I'm not physically or mentally challenged, the
rest of what I have is just gravy on the potatoes (believe me I would love some of that right now). Most of us are so blessed but we get caught up in
the nonsense projected upon us by all the other unhappy people who define themselves by their workplace. I say, it's time to smile just a little more,
it's time to throw out a compliment once a day to a woman whom you just know doesn't hear it often (hey, I really like your hair), etc.
Sometimes, just a little smile or nice word changes a person's entire day. I am such a flawed human being that there is practically no hope for me but
I spend a great deal of time trying to figure out how to make myself a little better than I am. With all the conflict inside of me, I figure the best thing I
can do is throw a little something nice out to someone who isn't expecting it but could sure use it and believe me, the members of Harley's Kids could sure
use it.
Harley
I remember Lyle Alzado saying pretty much the exact same thing when he was wasting away with AIDS.
Not implying anything ;D . It just seemed such a contrast on how he use to be when leading the Orange Crush.
So you don't consider yourself mentally challenged? I'll try to up my game and turn it up a notch on my questions.
So what role do you think Judaism played in the development of ethical monotheism? And if two electrons with a force inversely proportion to the square of the distance.....
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Dear Pellius,
1) I am MORALLY challenged, not mentally
2) Check the Talmud
3) Your game is top notch and makes me actually use my Bio-Chemistry and Physics degrees
Harley
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65 Olds Jetstar 88
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Harley, has Craig made any comment on the School Officer who is in the news for throwing around the girl?
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Harley, has Craig made any comment on the School Officer who is in the news for throwing around the girl?
Dear Las Vegas,
Craig doesn't make public comments about much at all as he is very introverted and somewhat shy and isn't particularly
interested in convincing others of his opinions (in a nice way).
When he and I train, we have no social talk. Before and after training, especially when we go to eat on the weekends afterwards,
we talk about all sorts of stuff, just like any other friends do. We haven't discussed this cop issue. Craig works in a very large high school
so I am sure he has some insight I might not have as well.
I haven't followed this particular story nor seen any videos.
I just have 3 questions: 1) Is the girl 19 years of age?
If "YES" then continue. If "NO", this post is over.
2) Is she in a g string?
If "YES" then continue. If "NO", this post is over.
3) Does she have implants?
If "YES" then I approve. If "NO", this post is over.
Harley
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Lol, yeah. I remembered Craig has a similar job as his, so that's why I asked.
I've only seen the video once or twice without looking very carefully, so no comment from me (right now, anyway).
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Hey Guys,
The Harley Kids Halloween Party was a huge success!!! In addition to Craig Richardson, we had UFC Fighters Dan and Jim
Miller and Champion MMA Fighter Sean "Shorty Rock" Santella in attendance in full costume.
The Kids really loved those guys who all hugged and took pictures with everyone.
Those guys are as humble and kind as they are tough.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
The Harley Kids Halloween Party was a huge success!!! In addition to Craig Richardson, we had UFC Fighters Dan and Jim
Miller and Champion MMA Fighter Sean "Shorty Rock" Santella in attendance in full costume.
The Kids really loved those guys who all hugged and took pictures with everyone.
Those guys are as humble and kind as they are tough.
Harley
Very inspirational and touching!
I found that as I got older I no longer shed tears when I'm hurt or sad -- just when I'm moved.
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I may have cracked a few jokes as MC regarding Jim Miller in Robin tights and Dan Miller dressed
as a cheerleader that now may lead to an oxygen deprivation during our next training session.
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I may have cracked a few jokes as MC regarding Jim Miller in Robin tights and Dan Miller dressed
as a cheerleader that now may lead to an oxygen deprivation during our next training session.
As Rickson once said, "Flow with the go."
Also: "If done right, no can escape."
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Dear Pellius,
When you quote Rickson Gracie, putting aside my personal feelings towards him, you are quoting, in my opinion,
the greatest BJJ athlete of all time as well as the greatest MMA fighter of all time. His skill set alone is beyond what
most can conceive. His attitude and the ability to control his emotions during a fight are just not of this earth.
For you to have been his student for years and train with him like that, I can only stand in awe and envy of both your
BJJ knowledge and life experiences.
Harley
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Great pic, Harley. :)
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Hey Guys,
The Harley Kids Halloween Party was a huge success!!! In addition to Craig Richardson, we had UFC Fighters Dan and Jim
Miller and Champion MMA Fighter Sean "Shorty Rock" Santella in attendance in full costume.
The Kids really loved those guys who all hugged and took pictures with everyone.
Those guys are as humble and kind as they are tough.
Harley
thats great im sure they had a blast
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Craig Richardson at The Harley's Kids Halloween Party
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Craig Richardson and one of the kids. You can see the Pinball Machine which is designed for people of all
disabilities and challenges. You can even play if you have no arms or legs. It's unbelievable.
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Hey Guys,
I have a good faith reason to believe that you will very soon see some major changes at MHP Nutrition.
I believe their revenue has fallen by 60% with their South American market in very serious trouble. I know my
next comment is going to cause you to attack, especially Vince G, but I believe a great deal of that disconnect is a
direct result of Kai Green's behavior during his South American visits. He caused a plethora of problems with virtually
every sponsor and supplier by refusing to be anywhere on time or commit to being sociable to others. He cost one
supplier over $10,000 in keeping the guy's rented helicopter waiting over an hour because Kai wouldn't show up on time.
Kai failed to realize that South Americans are very "proud" people and very friendly. They are hospitable and take such social
failures as personal slaps in the face.
MHP will be cutting not only high ranking executives but many athletes as well. They have never paid anyone but Kai and Victor
anything close to what the athlete actually is worth or even a fair share for what the athlete provides in terms of services, appearances
and promotion.
In my opinion, Victor Martinez is in serious trouble!!! Let's just say that his sole "Protector" will no longer be with MHP except perhaps
as a silent shareholder. There is NO way Victor will still receive his current salary (which was cut quite a bit when Kai came along). I predict
a massive fall and crash within the next 12 months for Victor.
Most of this information is not publicly known so we will have to see how it comes out and just how things develop.
Harley
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The Trans Am Interior coming along.
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One of my paintings
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I tried to paint a scene of Venice. As you can see, my painting added some boats and changed the colors quite a bit.
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Another one I did.
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Getting the car ready
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Part of my Home Defense Team
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Hey Guys,
With the photos of Craig at the Kids' Party, the inside information of MHP (I'm sure Vince G will dispute this but time will tell), the paintings, car
and shotguns, I'm sure there is much to discuss, debate, like and hate.
I personally, find this stuff much more interesting than that DLB topic.
Harley
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Wow great pics thanks for sharing. You seem like someone who works hard but also really enjoys the things and activities you like.
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I always say that my work funds my interests. I suppose I would like my work a great deal more if the people with whom
I deal were a bit more appreciative and nicer. I know I am not in the "Appreciation Game," but one might be a bit nicer and appreciative
to the one who is sparing him a very long prison sentence.
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Part of my Home Defense Team
True getbigger now
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Underneath my desk at home
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On my desk at home. Smith & Wesson .50 caliber revolver
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Remind me to not try and rob harleys home.
Nice paintings btw
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
You are invited to my home anytime (but only with notice).
The next wave of my Home Defense Team arrives Sunday!!!
You may be familiar with what many claim is the world's largest pit bull, The Hulk.
Well, The Hulk mated with Fessa, a very large female pit bull with a long line of very large members.
I procured First Pick and my puppy arrives Sunday.
Harley
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
You are invited to my home anytime (but only with notice).
The next wave of my Home Defense Team arrives Sunday!!!
You may be familiar with what many claim is the world's largest pit bull, The Hulk.
Well, The Hulk mated with Fessa, a very large female pit bull with a long line of very large members.
I procured First Pick and my puppy arrives Sunday.
Harley
yeah i know who it is.. they suck as guarddogs. Pitbulls might kill the robber with its saliva when they try to kiss him :D
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But other then as guarddogs pitbulls are awesome. Have a staffie myself, have a great story about her but would out myself telling it open
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Harley, Kai Greene is a selfish, entitled, dumb piece of shit who plays the victim card all the time. Oscar arden brings him from not placing at contests in 2007 to placing 3rd in 2008, Kai was so happy with orcars work he paid him 50% of show earnings. A few years on and Kai is finishing 1st and 2nd and decides to drop oscar and cries, literally, that oscar is taking half his money (was kais idea in the first place). He can't get a sponsor so musclemeds pick him up, market him well and pay him half a million a year, he goes behind their back to start his own supplement company saying they didn't pay him enough. He refuses, not banned, refused, to compete in this year's olympia because he didn't get 15grands worth of free expo space and aadvertising, then cried, literally, saying they barred him from it. Add to this living in social housing and on welfare while being a pro athlete in his first few years of competing as a pro. Never worked a day in his life.
And don't worry about goodrums comments, he is more retarded than the worst of harleys kids.
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Harley, Kai Greene is a selfish, entitled, dumb piece of shit who plays the victim card all the time. Oscar arden brings him from not placing at contests in 2007 to placing 3rd in 2008, Kai was so happy with orcars work he paid him 50% of show earnings. A few years on and Kai is finishing 1st and 2nd and decides to drop oscar and cries, literally, that oscar is taking half his money (was kais idea in the first place). He can't get a sponsor so musclemeds pick him up, market him well and pay him half a million a year, he goes behind their back to start his own supplement company saying they didn't pay him enough. He refuses, not banned, refused, to compete in this year's olympia because he didn't get 15grands worth of free expo space and aadvertising, then cried, literally, saying they barred him from it. Add to this living in social housing and on welfare while being a pro athlete in his first few years of competing as a pro. Never worked a day in his life.
And don't worry about goodrums comments, he is more retarded than the worst of harleys kids.
IMO, you should have left this part out.
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Dear Wizard of Truth,
I agree with everything you say except for the last part pertaining to Vince G.
We don't like to use the word "retarded". In fact, in NJ you can't get government tax exemptions unless you
call your charity as helping the "retarded." I told them to fuck themselves as I didn't want any exemption anyway. I just
wanted to make sure I did NOT have to register MY charity under any of THEIR laws.
I am not here to bash Vince G. I find him to be a true fan of bodybuilding and therefore, I welcome his comments provided
they are not personal attacks upon anyone here at GetBig. If Vince is having a tough time in life, perhaps this board is a great
release (no homo) and source of joy for him. I hope so.
Harley
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Dear Wizard of Truth,
I agree with everything you say except for the last part pertaining to Vince G.
We don't like to use the word "retarded". In fact, in NJ you can't get government tax exemptions unless you
call your charity as helping the "retarded." I told them to fuck themselves as I didn't want any exemption anyway. I just
wanted to make sure I did NOT have to register MY charity under any of THEIR laws.
I am not here to bash Vince G. I find him to be a true fan of bodybuilding and therefore, I welcome his comments provided
they are not personal attacks upon anyone here at GetBig. If Vince is having a tough time in life, perhaps this board is a great
release (no homo) and source of joy (no homo) for him. I hope so.
Harley
I hope I'm not crossing the line, but I made a slight amendment to your post. You should do a Bob Ross like video of you painting. Perhaps call
it the "Joy of Get Big Painting".
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How did the promised October training seminar with your "friend" Craig go?
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Dear Wizard of Truth,
I agree with everything you say except for the last part pertaining to Vince G.
We don't like to use the word "retarded". In fact, in NJ you can't get government tax exemptions unless you
call your charity as helping the "retarded." I told them to fuck themselves as I didn't want any exemption anyway. I just
wanted to make sure I did NOT have to register MY charity under any of THEIR laws.
I am not here to bash Vince G. I find him to be a true fan of bodybuilding and therefore, I welcome his comments provided
they are not personal attacks upon anyone here at GetBig. If Vince is having a tough time in life, perhaps this board is a great
release (no homo) and source of joy for him. I hope so.
Harley
You're a good man Harley. I used do a day a week volunteering with the irish wheelchair association as my mother worked for them before her retirement. I will have to do some sort of charity work again in the future or I'm going to hell for sure
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How did the promised October training seminar with your "friend" Craig go?
Strong within you the hate is, Master Olympia.
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Harley, I don't know much about art, but I am impressed by your paintings.
Have you ever held an "exhibit" for art connoisseurs? Or offer any for charity auctions?
I have a good friend who owns well recognized HERB RITTS photos which are considered to be very valuable (the African visit series), but that is the extend of my artistic appreciation/knowledge/connection.
But I think your art is great!
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How did the promised October training seminar with your "friend" Craig go?
Dear OlympicGym,
We didn't hold the Training Seminar as no one confirmed they would attend.
Is there some reason you put quotation marks around the word friend?
If you like, I can get Craig to write a letter saying he acknowledges my presence and tolerates me.
Harley
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You're a good man Harley. I used do a day a week volunteering with the irish wheelchair association as my mother worked for them before her retirement. I will have to do some sort of charity work again in the future or I'm going to hell for sure
Dear Wizard of Truth,
That was great work you and your Mom did and I wouldn't worry about that whole "hell" thing.
I would recommend stopping into that place again, even if it were for a few hours as I am sure you always left
there with a tremendous sense of appreciation and self satisfaction in the help you gave others.
Everybody is out there doing what they can. I don't have children to raise so it's a bit easier for me in that sense.
Harley
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Harley, I don't know much about art, but I am impressed by your paintings.
Have you ever held an "exhibit" for art connoisseurs? Or offer any for charity auctions?
I have a good friend who owns well recognized HERB RITTS photos which are considered to be very valuable (the African visit series), but that is the extend of my artistic appreciation/knowledge/connection.
But I think your art is great!
Dear Stuntmovie,
Thanks for the compliment but I just took up painting about 2 years ago so I am no "painter," but rather, a guy who likes trying it out.
My Professor, Mark Saenger, is actually a Certified Bob Ross Instructor who was chosen by Bob to go into business with him right before he died
of cancer.
I couldn't sell a painting to buy a Quest Bar if I were starving. The idea of "art connoisseurs" looking at my paintings is the same as the idea
of me getting on a bodybuilding stage to have some political schmoe tell me my calves don't match my biceps. I already know that and much worse.
Harley
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I love the subtle signatures in your paintings ;D
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Dear Shizzo,
You are not alone in commenting on the size of my signatures.
When I went to sign my first one, my Professor told me that artists like to sign their names
in a very tiny manner. Well, fuck the Establishment, fuck the Art World and Harley Breite does
nothing in a tiny manner (except make muscular gains). So, I wrote it big and liked it.
Not being a professional, not having to do it for money and painting only for the fun of it, gives
one a freedom to sign their name in any manner they like.
Harley
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Dear Shizzo,
You are not alone in commenting on the size of my signatures.
When I went to sign my first one, my Professor told me that artists like to sign their names
in a very tiny manner. Well, fuck the Establishment, fuck the Art World and Harley Breite does
nothing in a tiny manner (except make muscular gains). So, I wrote it big and liked it.
Not being a professional, not having to do it for money and painting only for the fun of it, gives
one a freedom to sign their name in any manner they like.
Harley
I figured there was a method to the madness. It definitely suits your personality.
"Harley painted this shit, bitches!"
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I figured there was a method to the madness. It definitely suits your personality.
"Harley painted this shit, bitches!"
Settle down. Michelangelo only signed one piece.
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Settle down. Michelangelo only signed one piece.
I like the fact that he was/is bucking the establishment. Big, bright orange, signature is awesome :D
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I like the fact that he was/is bucking the establishment. Big, bright orange, signature is awesome :D
He is an iconoclast. I think that is why so many of us 'like' him. :)
/random pics thread. harley thread.
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Harley, I don't know much about art, but I am impressed by your paintings.
Have you ever held an "exhibit" for art connoisseurs? Or offer any for charity auctions?
I have a good friend who owns well recognized HERB RITTS photos which are considered to be very valuable (the African visit series), but that is the extend of my artistic appreciation/knowledge/connection.
But I think your art is great!
X2... great work.
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X2... great work.
esp for just painting for 2 years.
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esp for just painting for 2 years.
a very intelligent and talented man. Props for your work and support of Handicapped Kids Harley.
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Dear Shizzo,
You are not alone in commenting on the size of my signatures.
When I went to sign my first one, my Professor told me that artists like to sign their names
in a very tiny manner. Well, fuck the Establishment, fuck the Art World and Harley Breite does
nothing in a tiny manner (except make muscular gains). So, I wrote it big and liked it.
Not being a professional, not having to do it for money and painting only for the fun of it, gives
one a freedom to sign their name in any manner they like.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I apologize for somehow posting the same note twice. I don't know how that happened but I will be more careful
in the future.
Thanks for the comments on the paintings. Perhaps I will post some of my others.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I apologize for somehow posting the same note twice. I don't know how that happened but I will be more careful
in the future.
Thanks for the comments on the paintings. Perhaps I will post some of my others.
Harley
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Dear Shizzo,
While I most admire Lincoln, I must say that painting is wonderfully done.
Harley
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A picture of Craig and I
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The Corvette as it went to paint.
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Me and one of my kids
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Akim and me. I am the guy with the smaller arm.
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Me and one of my kids
Respect :)
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Dear Donny,
Thanks but as I always say, everyone is doing something for someone out there. You guys are raising your own
children to be good people, doing your own acts of charity and many other things which bring joy to others.
My "kids" are great for me in many respects but one in particular: They don't care about whether I am in the newspaper or
on television. For example, I was on the television news and in the paper 3 days last week. My kids don't see me as anything
different or anything special. They could care less about whether I have a big case, have abs or have a nice car.
It's so refreshing to be around such pure people who, if they like you, they like you for who you really are and not what you have
or some public image. They are a gift to me, not the other way around.
Harley
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Dear Donny,
Thanks but as I always say, everyone is doing something for someone out there. You guys are raising your own
children to be good people, doing your own acts of charity and many other things which bring joy to others.
My "kids" are great for me in many respects but one in particular: They don't care about whether I am in the newspaper or
on television. For example, I was on the television news and in the paper 3 days last week. My kids don't see me as anything
different or anything special. They could care less about whether I have a big case, have abs or have a nice car.
It's so refreshing to be around such pure people who, if they like you, they like you for who you really are and not what you have
or some public image. They are a gift to me, not the other way around.
Harley
Good post and very well put. My two Boys are 23 and 26 so grown men.
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Awesome pics show an amazing life! Much respect for work with your kids. I did a year internship in grad school with autistic kids and it's not "easy" work by any means and can be as depressing as it is rewarding. World needs more people like you Harley 8)
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love the pics, harley!! :)
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"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln ..."
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Harley, has painting the Vette been finished?
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Dear Las Vegas,
The Vette has been painted and the last buffing is happening this week.
I should have some kool pictures next week.
I had a serious meeting with my Builder and said I was taking the cars back unless things
got done much faster. We have a new plan in order and I see no reason why I won't have 3 of
the 4 cars by April 1st as I planned.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
The Vette has been painted and the last buffing is happening this week.
I should have some kool pictures next week.
I had a serious meeting with my Builder and said I was taking the cars back unless things
got done much faster. We have a new plan in order and I see no reason why I won't have 3 of
the 4 cars by April 1st as I planned.
Harley
Does the Reflex look as you expected it would look? Nice and bright (bright, for that type of silver).
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I have not seen it yet. The Painter says it is his best paint job ever which is saying something. We shall see.
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I have not seen it yet. The Painter says it is his best paint job ever which is saying something. We shall see.
With the lines on that car, I'd bet it will look damn good.
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Dear Las Vegas,
It is a Pro Street with side pipes so it should look pretty kool.
The interior is stock looking, black but with classic looking stereo with iPod.
Harley
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A picture of Craig and I
Dear Harley,
You guys both look great here. Nice shot!
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Dear Las Vegas,
It is a Pro Street with side pipes so it should look pretty kool.
The interior is stock looking, black but with classic looking stereo with iPod.
Harley
IMO you are doing it up just right!
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Yes, man. My favorite Vette body-style.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=656266;image)
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I'm surprised you guys didn't have any feelings about the MHP shake up and what I predict is Victor's pending downfall.
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I'm surprised you guys didn't have any feelings about the MHP shake up and what I predict is Victor's pending downfall.
Only question anyone has, probably, is why it took so long. VM has extended himself way past what everyone thought he would have, I bet.
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But you'll be able to claim first notice on it when it happens, Harley. Because I'm sure it will. I don't doubt that you know what you're saying about it.
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I think you were the first person to report on Kai.
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I'm surprised you guys didn't have any feelings about the MHP shake up and what I predict is Victor's pending downfall.
I know nothing of MHP shake up, Victor has been on a downward spiral for years, a European pro who has finished top 10 in the Olympia a few times who stayed in my house when he was guest posing at our show 3years back told me how shady Victor (And Dennis James) were. Victor has been fucking people over a long time now and playing with 'bad substances', things catch up on you, I'm not saying it's karma but if you burn every bridge life will become difficult.
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Tyrone Is On His Way!!!!
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Sorry, hopefully he won't arrive upside down.
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;D ;D ;D Yep, I'd say he's going to be a monster in size.
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Harley, WHEN you can, would you mind giving a few thoughts on the case involving Musheisen?
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Tyrone Is On His Way!!!!
lål look at the big ass paws...cute dog..
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1962 Plymouth Savoy
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1963 Plymouth Fury
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Hey Guys,
The Harley Kids Halloween Party was a huge success!!! In addition to Craig Richardson, we had UFC Fighters Dan and Jim
Miller and Champion MMA Fighter Sean "Shorty Rock" Santella in attendance in full costume.
The Kids really loved those guys who all hugged and took pictures with everyone.
Those guys are as humble and kind as they are tough.
Harley
You're a good man Harley. Haven't been able to keep up with the thread lately, dealing with my mother in law having a stroke among other things. The last month has been a bitch.
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You're a good man Harley. Haven't been able to keep up with the thread lately, dealing with my mother in law having a stroke among other things. The last month has been a bitch.
Damn, man. I'm really sorry to hear that, Ronnie.
How is she doing?
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Harley deserves honorary status on Getbig. Can we give him red stars on something?
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Damn, man. I'm really sorry to hear that, Ronnie.
How is she doing?
Thanks man not great. She was starting to recover and had a setback, she is back in the hospital. It is a long detailed story as to why she had the stroke which I will go into at a later time.
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Thanks man not great. She was starting to recover and had a setback, she is back in the hospital. It is a long detailed story as to why she had the stroke which I will go into at a later time.
I hope you do, Ronnie. It could save someone else.
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Dear Ronnie Rep,
I am so sorry to hear of your Mom's stroke. My Dad, 2 years this January, died of a sudden stroke.
I drove him to the ER, he walked in and 2 minutes later, after some CAT Scan, he fell into a coma.
The very next morning, some doctor calls and tells me "you have to make a decision." I asked, "about what?"
He said whether or not to pull the plug.
I asked, "Well, how much time do I have?" He said, "call me back in 15 minutes."
My exact response: "Hey asshole. Did you visit my Dad, your patient? Do you even know that he was an
Emergency Room physician for 22 years? Did you know that he was the Chief of the ER at Walter Reed Hospital when he was
activated for Dessert Storm? Did you know he has a wife of 55 years and 2 kids?"
I then hung up and never called him back. My Dad passed 6 days later on his own accord.
Ronnie, all I can offer is to know that you will always make the best decision because you love your Mom and are a good son.
In the end, isn't that all a parent can ask of their child?
Harley
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Dear Ronnie,
Having just realized it is your Mother In Law and not your Mom, I apologize but offer the same sentiments.
Additionally, please extend my thoughts to your wife.
Harley
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A detail on the Corvette paint job you seldom see
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Corvette Hood
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It will be a beautiful car, Harley. Big props on how you decided to do it up.
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Dear Ronnie,
Having just realized it is your Mother In Law and not your Mom, I apologize but offer the same sentiments.
Additionally, please extend my thoughts to your wife.
Harley
Thanks Harley. This is a complicated situation which could have been avoided if her Cardiologist used better discretion. We are looking into legal action right now. Will give details at a later time.
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Dear Harley,
Sorry to hear about your father. My dad died in June
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Harley sorry about your dad. My father died 10 yrs ago missed his 90th birthday by 2 weeks. My mother passed away from Alzheimer's 16 yrs ago. My father in law died from stomach Cancer 22 yrs ago. My mother in law is the last parent left, so needless to say my wife is very upset.
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Hey Guys,
I appreciate all your kind words over losing my Dad.
I know I am a bit strange in that I have always lived with my parents, my whole life and continue to live with my Mom.
Yes, before Chaos goes nuts, I am neither gay or unable to afford my own place.
I just chose to spend as much time with my parents as I could, always fearing their eventual passing.
Whatever "costs" there were to pay, I have absolutely no regrets and wouldn't change that for anything else in the world.
I hope you are all comforted by the memories of those special relationships as, in the end, that is the only true currency
we have.
Harley
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Nothing is wrong with you for doing that, Harley.
Not only that, but our culture is one of the very few where some may consider it is unusual. That's the thing about it.
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Hey Guys,
I appreciate all your kind words over losing my Dad.
I know I am a bit strange in that I have always lived with my parents, my whole life and continue to live with my Mom.
Yes, before Chaos goes nuts, I am neither gay or unable to afford my own place.
I just chose to spend as much time with my parents as I could, always fearing their eventual passing.
Whatever "costs" there were to pay, I have absolutely no regrets and wouldn't change that for anything else in the world.
I hope you are all comforted by the memories of those special relationships as, in the end, that is the only true currency
we have.
Harley
Good for you. If I didn't get married twice and have 2 daughters I would probably have done the same. As a matter of fact my mother in law lives with us because she has been sickly the last 5 years or so.
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1964 Plymouth Savoy Dragster
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1963 Plymouth Savoy Wagon
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1962 Plymouth Savoy Wagon
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1965 Ford Econoline Pickup
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If I Owned A Gym:
1) There would be no use of the word "bro."
2) It would be illegal to walk out of your way just to shake another guy's hand in order to let him know that you are in the gym.
3) There would be no visibly pregnant women.
4) There would be no oversized rubber 45 pound plates made just to give the impression that the 165 lb. kid using it is stronger than
he actually is.
5) There would be a rotation of rock n roll music as opposed to the same banal cacophony plumbed through the infinitely undersized
speakers.
That is just for starters.
Harley
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If I Owned A Gym:
1) There would be no use of the word "bro."
2) It would be illegal to walk out of your way just to shake another guy's hand in order to let him know that you are in the gym.
3) There would be no visibly pregnant women.
4) There would be no oversized rubber 45 pound plates made just to give the impression that the 165 lb. kid using it is stronger than
he actually is.
5) There would be a rotation of rock n roll music as opposed to the same banal cacophony plumbed through the infinitely undersized
speakers.
That is just for starters.
Harley
hey preggos with big milky tits are hot >:(
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
Apparently, you and I can go out to a bar together anytime as our tastes are completely different.
Variety is the spice of life.
Harley
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
Apparently, you and I can go out to a bar together anytime as our tastes are completely different.
Variety is the spice of life.
Harley
I always hated going to a club or a bar and having to play rock / paper / scissors to see who got the first shot at said female.
Fortunately, it wasn't often I had to do so, but there were some occasions.
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
Apparently, you and I can go out to a bar together anytime as our tastes are completely different.
Variety is the spice of life.
Harley
great answer and Honest.
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Hey Guys,
Is it just me waxing nostalgia or do you too miss getting totally consumed in shows like Baretta and Starsky & Hutch?
No, there was not much great acting, but it all felt so real as opposed to today's shows which are founded in technology
and always have women completely miscast as bad-ass cops and bosses who talk tough and are feared by others.
Starsky & Hutch seemed to me, when I was a kid, like a couple of kool guys who had a kool job, a kool car and got lucky
with hot chicks. They were good friends, could rely upon one another and seemed like someone you could actually become.
Perhaps I am just getting old but I miss those 2 shows for those reasons.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Is it just me waxing nostalgia or do you too miss getting totally consumed in shows like Baretta and Starsky & Hutch?
No, there was not much great acting, but it all felt so real as opposed to today's shows which are founded in technology
and always have women completely miscast as bad-ass cops and bosses who talk tough and are feared by others.
Starsky & Hutch seemed to me, when I was a kid, like a couple of kool guys who had a kool job, a kool car and got lucky
with hot chicks. They were good friends, could rely upon one another and seemed like someone you could actually become.
Perhaps I am just getting old but I miss those 2 shows for those reasons.
Harley
You don't have a family, do you?
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Hey Guys,
Is it just me waxing nostalgia or do you too miss getting totally consumed in shows like Baretta and Starsky & Hutch?
No, there was not much great acting, but it all felt so real as opposed to today's shows which are founded in technology
and always have women completely miscast as bad-ass cops and bosses who talk tough and are feared by others.
Starsky & Hutch seemed to me, when I was a kid, like a couple of kool guys who had a kool job, a kool car and got lucky
with hot chicks. They were good friends, could rely upon one another and seemed like someone you could actually become.
Perhaps I am just getting old but I miss those 2 shows for those reasons.
Harley
Do you have any thoughts on Robert Blake's situation with now-deceased Bonnie Bakley, Harley?
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If I Owned A Gym:
1) There would be no use of the word "bro."
2) It would be illegal to walk out of your way just to shake another guy's hand in order to let him know that you are in the gym.
3) There would be no visibly pregnant women.
4) There would be no oversized rubber 45 pound plates made just to give the impression that the 165 lb. kid using it is stronger than
he actually is.
5) There would be a rotation of rock n roll music as opposed to the same banal cacophony plumbed through the infinitely undersized
speakers.
That is just for starters.
Harley
No curls on the squat rack
Expelled if you leave dumbells on the other side of the gym for lunges or don't put them back in the right place.
No TVs
No talking/txting on cell phones on the gym floor.
No shadow boxing on the gym floor
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You don't have a family, do you?
Dear OlympiaGym,
Just to be clear, I have wonderful family and friends but sometimes I think about the past and
if things are so much better today.
It was a non-significant point meant for those of us around 48 years of age.
But thanks for your concern.
Harley
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Hey Pellius,
It's good to hear from you again. I was afraid you became bored with the thread. Perhaps we should discuss Kant.
Oh, texting and even holding a phone while on the gym floor earns a life time ban.
Also. there is no doing laps around the gym just to show people that you might Cross Train.
Harley
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I wouldn't allow cellphones past the front counter. You go to the gym to pump weights not dabble on Facebook.
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I would ban any Mini-Van or SUV with a soccer ball sticker on it.
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I would ban any Mini-Van or SUV with a soccer ball sticker on it.
:D
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Hey Pellius,
It's good to hear from you again. I was afraid you became bored with the thread. Perhaps we should discuss Kant.
Oh, texting and even holding a phone while on the gym floor earns a life time ban.
Also. there is no doing laps around the gym just to show people that you might Cross Train.
Harley
Though I don't post everyday, I do check this thread everyday. It's become my favorite. I have some questions on the back burner because they might stimulate a lengthy debate but I'm just waiting until things let up for you a bit with everyone picking your brain.
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Dear OlympiaGym,
Just to be clear, I have wonderful family and friends but sometimes I think about the past and
if things are so much better today.
It was a non-significant point meant for those of us around 48 years of age.
But thanks for your concern.
Harley
I was a huge fan of Baretta. I thought at the time he was totally yoked and could kick some major ass.
It sucks getting old but I am glad I grew up in the generation that I did. Sure I got smacked by the yard stick by the nuns and got it again at home when the principle (know as the Penguin because she perpetually wore a neck brace and walked so stiffly) notified my parents. But kids behaved themselves. It wasn't until the fourth grade until I first saw someone, Charlie Kamalani, give someone the middle finger. The audible gasps of both students and a passing nun was telling.
He was never seen or heard from again.
And you knew who you were then
Girls were girls and men were men
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again
Didn't need no Welfare state
Everybody pulled his weight
Gee our old LaSalle Ran great
THOSE WERE THE DAYS!
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Hey Pellius,
It's good to hear from you again. I was afraid you became bored with the thread. Perhaps we should discuss Kant.
Oh, texting and even holding a phone while on the gym floor earns a life time ban.
Also. there is no doing laps around the gym just to show people that you might Cross Train.
Harley
I tried having a go at "The Critique of Pure Reason" in my twenties but it was beyond my intellectual capacity. They say that Kant was so set in his habits that you could set your clock to his daily walks. Although I don't think he was born into privilege he did strike me as a typical aristocrat and scholar far removed from real day to day life of most people. Probably the type that always pulls guard and never goes for the take down.
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Hey Guys,
Is it just me waxing nostalgia or do you too miss getting totally consumed in shows like Baretta and Starsky & Hutch?
No, there was not much great acting, but it all felt so real as opposed to today's shows which are founded in technology
and always have women completely miscast as bad-ass cops and bosses who talk tough and are feared by others.
Starsky & Hutch seemed to me, when I was a kid, like a couple of kool guys who had a kool job, a kool car and got lucky
with hot chicks. They were good friends, could rely upon one another and seemed like someone you could actually become.
Perhaps I am just getting old but I miss those 2 shows for those reasons.
Harley
Two of my favorite shows of all time. Don't forget the Mod Squad, Peggy Lipton was delicious.
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Just an idea of what goes into building a Pro Street car from the ground up. One reason why most guys buy them done already.
This is my 1967 Chevelle.
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Just an idea of what goes into building a Pro Street car from the ground up. One reason why most guys buy them done already.
This is my 1967 Chevelle.
Someone may have to search high and low for what's wanted, though, if there's a very particular set of demands. You're taking a huge step up from that. And you won't have to worry as much about unseen problems, compared to buying a pre-built one.
That's the bright side to what you're doing.
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Two of my favorite shows of all time. Don't forget the Mod Squad, Peggy Lipton was delicious.
My favorite was "Link". I watched the show for the fight scenes and Link had some moves.
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My favorite was "Link". I watched the show for the fight scenes and Link had some moves.
Solid man! :D. Clarence Williams III became pretty damn good actor.
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Hey Guys,
I think there were quite a few shows in the 70's that were quite provocative that never received their due credit.
Everyone is aware of the progress made by All In The Family but there were other shows examining tough issues and
doing it a very palatable way. For example, I very much enjoyed The Courtship of Eddie's Father. That show incorporated
parental loss, single parenting and even multi-cultural and racial issues.
Harley
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The interior tinwork on the Chevelle is done and ready to go to the body shop for paint!!!
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The interior tinwork on the Chevelle is done and ready to go to the body shop for paint!!!
I think grape flavor will give your car more of a boost.
(http://taldepot.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/600x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/N/S/NS-1624-GE-2.jpg)
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Hey Guys,
I think there were quite a few shows in the 70's that were quite provocative that never received their due credit.
Everyone is aware of the progress made by All In The Family but there were other shows examining tough issues and
doing it a very palatable way. For example, I very much enjoyed The Courtship of Eddie's Father. That show incorporated
parental loss, single parenting and even multi-cultural and racial issues.
Harley
Remember "Soap" with a young Billy Crystal? Show was hilarious! Miss a lot of those funny wholesome shows like: Family Ties, Cheers, Happy Days, MASH, Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart, Carol Burnett Show..., even was a fan of the The Brady Bunch.
But it was "All in the Family" that really push the envelope without being crass.
"Those were the days." (The oft repeated phrase that confirms you're an oldster.)
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Harley
My son has special needs and recently began pre school from 9am-12pm
He gets picked up by a small sized bus that has aides for each child on it
But the bus company refuses to come down our street. We live on a very small dead end street. The bus will only pick up and drop off at the top of our street on the Main Street.
We want him to be picked up and dropped off in front of our house
Our street is small and quiet enough for the bus to come on, and the bus is small enough that backing up and reversing is not an issue
The bus has picked up in front of houses in all years past we have heard
My wife has spoken with the bus company but has had NO luck
Any advice????
Thank you sir!
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Harley
My son has special needs and recently began pre school from 9am-12pm
He gets picked up by a small sized bus that has aides for each child on it
But the bus company refuses to come down our street. We live on a very small dead end street. The bus will only pick up and drop off at the top of our street on the Main Street.
We want him to be picked up and dropped off in front of our house
Our street is small and quiet enough for the bus to come on, and the bus is small enough that backing up and reversing is not an issue
The bus has picked up in front of houses in all years past we have heard
My wife has spoken with the bus company but has had NO luck
Any advice????
Thank you sir!
I'm sure Harley will give you a great answer but here is my .02. I know full size school busses don't like to eve go in reverse, it's too much of a liability and often they have to radio in to dispatch and let them know they will be backing up and why. I imagine the same may be true with the smaller buses.
Good luck!
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I'm sure Harley will give you a great answer but here is my .02. I know full size school busses don't like to eve go in reverse, it's too much of a liability and often they have to radio in to dispatch and let them know they will be backing up and why. I imagine the same may be true with the smaller buses.
Good luck!
I think in the UK they are not allowed to reverse with passengers on at all.
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Remember "Soap" with a young Billy Crystal? Show was hilarious! Miss a lot of those funny wholesome shows like: Family Ties, Cheers, Happy Days, MASH, Mary Tyler Moore, Bob Newhart, Carol Burnett Show..., even was a fan of the The Brady Bunch.
But it was "All in the Family" that really push the envelope without being crass.
"Those were the days." (The oft repeated phrase that confirms you're an oldster.)
All great shows. Although I thought MASH was boring and unfunny especially towards the end.
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All great shows. Although I thought MASH was boring and unfunny especially towards the end.
There is a cable channel here which shows old film series like Kojak and Streets of San Fransisco...with Michael Douglas.
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Harley
My son has special needs and recently began pre school from 9am-12pm
He gets picked up by a small sized bus that has aides for each child on it
But the bus company refuses to come down our street. We live on a very small dead end street. The bus will only pick up and drop off at the top of our street on the Main Street.
We want him to be picked up and dropped off in front of our house
Our street is small and quiet enough for the bus to come on, and the bus is small enough that backing up and reversing is not an issue
The bus has picked up in front of houses in all years past we have heard
My wife has spoken with the bus company but has had NO luck
Any advice????
Thank you sir!
Dear NaturalWonder83.
This is simply unacceptable. If you live in the United States, kindly PM me and I will provide you with a list of information I shall require
in order to write a very prompt and serious letter to both the school Superintendent and the owner of the bus company.
I shall wager that within 10 business days of receipt of my letter, the matter will be resolved.
Harley
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Dear NaturalWonder83.
This is simply unacceptable. If you live in the United States, kindly PM me and I will provide you with a list of information I shall require
in order to write a very prompt and serious letter to both the school Superintendent and the owner of the bus company.
I shall wager that within 10 business days of receipt of my letter, the matter will be resolved.
Harley
Not if his road doesnt have a big enough turning circle.
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Not if his road doesnt have a big enough turning circle.
I agree. I think if the bus has to turn around then he is out of luck.
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I agree. I think if the bus has to turn around then he is out of luck.
He may get special privileged at the tax payers expense (Taxi) by Im not sure how it works in the USA.
Katie Price (Jordan Glamour model UK) gets hundreds of pounds a week in child benefits for taxis for her disabled son to go to school, shes a multi-millionaire.
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Don´t have a Bus license but a Truck licence... is it a safety issue reversing or just laziness or lack of Driving skills? I mean when you learn HGV truck you gotta reverse :-\
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Don´t have a Bus license but a Truck licence... is it a safety issue reversing or just laziness or lack of Driving skills? I mean when you learn HGV truck you gotta reverse :-\
You dont have passengers on a truck dumbass, its called public liability.
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You dont have passengers on a truck dumbass, its called public liability.
This.
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You dont have passengers on a truck dumbass, its called public liability.
actually you can carry Hazmat, Hazardous material which is dangerous. This in the UK is also an add on to your HGV...also in Germany. Still have to reverse.
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Hey Guys,
I understand your skepticism but I didn't get to be an over-achiever by not taking on the difficult cases.
Perhaps I can impress you with my legal skills rather than earn your ire over representing the disgusting and loathsome.
Harley
PS- One day I am going to impress even Herne and he will have the opportunity to prove it to you all
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actually you can carry Hazmat, Hazardous material which is dangerous. This in the UK is also an add on to your HGV...also in Germany. Still have to reverse.
Who fucking cares about that, insurance companies dont like buses reversing with passengers, take it up with them.
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Who fucking cares about that, insurance companies dont like buses reversing with passengers, take it up with them.
Dude do you have a Bus licence or HGV ? C+E ? I have the German Klasse 2(old) which i was given here when i gave up my UK licence in 95
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Dude do you have a Bus licence or HGV ? C+E ? I have the German Klasse 2(old) which i was given here when i gave up my UK licence in 95
Listen numbnuts, I dont care if you have a licence for the fucking space shuttle and you reverse that, buses are not allowed to reverse with passengers on.
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Listen numbnuts, I dont care if you have a licence for the fucking space shuttle and you reverse that, buses are not allowed to reverse with passengers on.
have you a Licence other than for your Mini?
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Dear NaturalWonder83.
This is simply unacceptable. If you live in the United States, kindly PM me and I will provide you with a list of information I shall require
in order to write a very prompt and serious letter to both the school Superintendent and the owner of the bus company.
I shall wager that within 10 business days of receipt of my letter, the matter will be resolved.
Harley
you are a good guy harley
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Can someone please tell me what the fuck is a licence?
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Can someone please tell me what the fuck is a licence?
license....even lionel ritchie can see that
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Can someone please tell me what the fuck is a licence?
This confusion is so similar to practice and practise that once you've learned the difference for one, you instantly know it for the other!
Licence is a noun, license is a verb. Before learning to drive, you apply for a provisional driving licence, but the DVLA must license you to drive.
When you install a TV in your home, you must have a TV licence. The TVLA (0800 0324690) license you to watch TV.
In the USA they use "license" as a noun. Since computer software comes with a licence for you to use it, this is commonly misspelled as license.
A software licence is often printed on paper - like a certificate. So the critical last two letters remind you of this fact - a licence is a thing (noun).
"Ed didn't have a fishing licence - the council had decided not to license anyone new this year to conserve stocks."
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license....even lionel ritchie can see that
Proof that the dictator is delusional.
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Proof that the dictator is delusional.
lål
Ps have fun at the laborcamp
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Dear NaturalWonder83.
This is simply unacceptable. If you live in the United States, kindly PM me and I will provide you with a list of information I shall require
in order to write a very prompt and serious letter to both the school Superintendent and the owner of the bus company.
I shall wager that within 10 business days of receipt of my letter, the matter will be resolved.
Harley
Harley, you are turning Getbig into a respectable nice place. Please stop immediately. ;)
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license....even lionel ritchie can see that
Probably wanna use Stevie Wonder/Ray Charles here instead.
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Probably wanna use Stevie Wonder/Ray Charles here instead.
hahahahaha fuck it was stevie wonder i was thinking of hahahahaa
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If I Owned A Gym:
1) There would be no use of the word "bro."
2) It would be illegal to walk out of your way just to shake another guy's hand in order to let him know that you are in the gym.
3) There would be no visibly pregnant women.
4) There would be no oversized rubber 45 pound plates made just to give the impression that the 165 lb. kid using it is stronger than
he actually is.
5) There would be a rotation of rock n roll music as opposed to the same banal cacophony plumbed through the infinitely undersized
speakers.
That is just for starters.
Harley
fantastic!
couldn't agree more
hope the dieting is going ok Harley!
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1965 Impala
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65 C10
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Thanks for asking about my diet.
Honestly, I am in a bit of a depression. Last week, while training MMA, I took a shot to my liver but didn't think
that much of it. I was not knocked out but did feel some immediate and subsequent pain.
After 7 days of legitimate pain, my doctor advised me that I suffered a Liver Hematoma which could take 6-8 weeks
to heal. That is just not something I can deal with.
I haven't seen Craig or anyone else for that matter. Except for absolutely necessary court appearances, I don't leave
my house when I get depressed.
I promised to be honest about the updates so there it is.
Harley
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Thanks for asking about my diet.
Honestly, I am in a bit of a depression. Last week, while training MMA, I took a shot to my liver but didn't think
that much of it. I was not knocked out but did feel some immediate and subsequent pain.
After 7 days of legitimate pain, my doctor advised me that I suffered a Liver Hematoma which could take 6-8 weeks
to heal. That is just not something I can deal with.
I haven't seen Craig or anyone else for that matter. Except for absolutely necessary court appearances, I don't leave
my house when I get depressed.
I promised to be honest about the updates so there it is.
Harley
Damn, Harley. THAT'S IT with risking yourself like that, I hope. You've been there, done that. Find a new horizon to replace getting your butt kicked.
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Damn, Harley. THAT'S IT with risking yourself like that, I hope. You've been there, done that. Find a new horizon to replace getting your butt kicked.
I AGREE...L.V.u know what I went through for 3 months thankfully i'm healed...it was a process..
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I AGREE...L.V.u know what I went through for 3 months thankfully i'm healed...it was a process..
Yes, bro. Exactly!!
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Dear Old School Lifter,
Thanks for asking about my diet.
Honestly, I am in a bit of a depression. Last week, while training MMA, I took a shot to my liver but didn't think
that much of it. I was not knocked out but did feel some immediate and subsequent pain.
After 7 days of legitimate pain, my doctor advised me that I suffered a Liver Hematoma which could take 6-8 weeks
to heal. That is just not something I can deal with.
I haven't seen Craig or anyone else for that matter. Except for absolutely necessary court appearances, I don't leave
my house when I get depressed.
I promised to be honest about the updates so there it is.
Harley
How is that treated or does it just heal with time? Sounds painful.
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Dear Pellius,
My doctor told me I will need 6-8 weeks of complete rest from any training including cardio.
Can you see the depression from this side of the computer screen?
Harley
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There's always an excuse.
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Harley, if there wasn't bruising on the surface (if it's all on liver instead), seems like it must have been a sharp, pointed hit on a small area. It hurts just to think about.
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Dear Pellius,
My doctor told me I will need 6-8 weeks of complete rest from any training including cardio.
Can you see the depression from this side of the computer screen?
Harley
Have Craig hook you up with some pharma hgh. 5-6ius a day will cut that time in half. No joke.
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Harley sorry to hear about your injury
Guys Harley is the real deal
He is who he says he is
He keeps his word and is a genuinely good person
My wife and I are very appreciative of your help Harley
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Dear Pellius,
My doctor told me I will need 6-8 weeks of complete rest from any training including cardio.
Can you see the depression from this side of the computer screen?
Harley
sorry to hear,,you were on a roll,in the zone.
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Get well soon Harley,
You have come this far rolling with the punches in life, 6-8 weeks will give you that drive and energy to get into the best shape of your life.
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There's always an excuse.
Dear Olympia Gym,
Since the time you called my kids "retards" I've never respected anything you said.
I doubt very much I would respect anything you've ever done, let alone anything you
might ever have done for someone other than yourself.
I never said my injury was an excuse. It just means that my goal will be reached at a later
date.
For people who only seek negativity, even reaching my goal will be met with criticism from you.
Well, I may not have your physique, your bank, and as much love from everyone else as do you, but
I am still comfortable with myself.
Harley
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Ouch! :o :'( Sorry to hear about that Harley. Just remember, training or not during this time, there is no reason to stop controlling your calories while you recover from this injury. A pound or two down each week is still progress towards your goal.
Keep pushing
Taf :)
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for your support.
I am going to try and do my best.
I think I will call Craig and ask him to meet me at a diner for a little pep talk.
Craig is a very understanding guy and doesn't look down upon guys like me who
have food issues.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for your support.
I am going to try and do my best.
I think I will call Craig and ask him to meet me at a diner for a little pep talk.
Craig is a very understanding guy and doesn't look down upon guys like me who
lack even a modicum of self-discipline.
Harley
Fixed.
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Fixed.
Hey OG, you sound pretty hard core. Have you ever posted a pic?
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There's always an excuse.
Why are you trolling Harley? All he does is keep it real and try to help others. He is truly a quality human being.
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Ouch! :o :'( Sorry to hear about that Harley. Just remember, training or not during this time, there is no reason to stop controlling your calories while you recover from this injury. A pound or two down each week is still progress towards your goal.
Keep pushing
Taf :)
Yes! I was about to post something similar. Just because you are out of the gym don't just pig out and get fat. Remember, abs are made in the kitchen not the gym. I believe it was a wise man (True Adonis) who once said bodybuilding should be renamed caloric restriction.
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You guys are great. I am calling Craig now for a pep talk!!!
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If you can get over feeling set back, Harley, it's a perfect time to post more on GB! I still can't wait to read your stories of Brazil, and to see the pictures of the favelas.
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That Nova is quite similar to what mine will look like in quite a few aspects except:
1) No wing on the back
2) Mine will have a completely flat hood with a rectangular cut out for the 10-71 Blower
3) Mine is a 672 Big Block with Nitrous and Methane Injection added to it
4) The entire motor is chrome.
I very much like the stance of the one shown above.
Harley
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Harley may think he is done with his past but his past isn't done with him.
Justice for Dennis.
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Harley may think he is done with his past but his past isn't done with him.
Justice for Dennis.
you are boring
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And who is Dennis?
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Hey Guys,
I had a great meal and pep talk with Craig only to come home and be up all night, once again,
in pain. I had planned on starting cardio and the gym but even running lightly in place was extremely
painful. This is something I never experienced but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night so I know a great
deal about Liver Hematomas now. Actually, after I saw my doctor, I did some Google research and it confirmed
what my doctor said that there is nothing to do but rest for 6-8 weeks.
As the great Scottish poet Robert Burns once wrote about the "best laid schemes of mice and men" so goes I, for now.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I had a great meal and pep talk with Craig only to come home and be up all night, once again,
in pain. I had planned on starting cardio and the gym but even running lightly in place was extremely
painful. This is something I never experienced but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night so I know a great
deal about Liver Hematomas now. Actually, after I saw my doctor, I did some Google research and it confirmed
what my doctor said that there is nothing to do but rest for 6-8 weeks.
As the great Scottish poet Robert Burns once wrote about the "best laid schemes of mice and men" so goes I, for now.
Harley
Sorry to hear about this Harley but I believe you can turn this negative into a positive. 8 weeks of planning and reaffirming your goals, strengthening your mind as your body heals and time will fly until you are ready to go again this time even more inspired and determined.
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Hey Guys,
I had a great meal and pep talk with Craig only to come home and be up all night, once again,
in pain. I had planned on starting cardio and the gym but even running lightly in place was extremely
painful. This is something I never experienced but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night so I know a great
deal about Liver Hematomas now. Actually, after I saw my doctor, I did some Google research and it confirmed
what my doctor said that there is nothing to do but rest for 6-8 weeks.
As the great Scottish poet Robert Burns once wrote about the "best laid schemes of mice and men" so goes I, for now.
Harley
Nice Holiday Inn reference, Harley! I have used that one a few times myself. ;D
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Hey Guys,
I think I am going to call my friend, a doctor, and go pay for a CAT Scan on my liver.
I just don't understand how there can be constant pain for 10 days, unable to do cardio, unable to lay on that
side of my body, etc.
January will be 26 years I've practiced martial arts and I've never had an injury like this. Of course, my age is
a factor but still, it perplexes me.
Some people have to learn a lesson the hard way. In my case, I finally learned my lesson with nothing short of the
worst and hardest consequences relative to me. I can not resolve the one, major, continuous problem plaguing my life,
causing me serious plunges into depression-- losing weight, while also training in MMA and being perpetually hit all over
my body. Well, I finally learned. I never prescribed to the old adage that there is always a silver lining in the face of malody,
but perhaps this realization corroborates the notion.
This, of course, comes on heels of one of my Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Instructors coming from Brasil to stay with me for a week.
His name is Vitor Terra and he just won the Black Belt Division at the Miami Open and intends to compete Saturday in the NY Open.
He is 10 Time Rio Open Champion and also the youngest Instructor at Gracia Humaita in Rio. Not being able to train with him while I
have his undivided attention for an entire week is just yet another punctuation on this most difficult lesson of my life.
Well, this too shall pass and if I am anything close to what I hope to be, I shall overcome this latest but brutal obstacle.
Harley
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dear Harley
very sorry to hear about your injury and the situation it has created for you.
stay strong and positive as you can and know you will heal and recover!
please do get a scan to ensure it is not something more serious like a partial or full rupture of the liver (which is a lot more serious than a hematoma), ive heard people injuring their spleen in similar fashion
hope you recover very soon harley
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Dear Harley,
Sorry to hear about this. Please keep us posted... wishing you the best!
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I've heard of Vitor. So many new school beast coming up.
Here he is with Rickson and Royler. What is Royler's secret? He's 50 years old now and he still looks like how I remember him when he was in his mid twenties. A friend visited me recently who is a BB in Jiu-Jitsu and he told me that Rickson rarely rolls now because of a back injury. Says he walks like an old man now. Not sure how true that is. I believe Rickson is 57 years old now.
How old is Vitor?
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Hey Guys,
I had a great meal and pep talk with Craig only to come home and be up all night, once again,
in pain. I had planned on starting cardio and the gym but even running lightly in place was extremely
painful. This is something I never experienced but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night so I know a great
deal about Liver Hematomas now. Actually, after I saw my doctor, I did some Google research and it confirmed
what my doctor said that there is nothing to do but rest for 6-8 weeks.
As the great Scottish poet Robert Burns once wrote about the "best laid schemes of mice and men" so goes I, for now.
Harley
Harley ,I've never had any thing serious before either ever health wise,and I had an infection called 'prostatistis 'in prostate took 3 months to get better and that was the avg case scenario..i google so much on it my head was spinning,the drugs I used looked at hundreds reviews good/bad..i'm back tho so the dr's were right...
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Harley ,I've never had any thing serious before either ever health wise,and I had an infection called 'prostatistis 'in prostate took 3 months to get better and that was the avg case scenario..i google so much on it my head was spinning,the drugs I used looked at hundreds reviews good/bad..i'm back tho so the dr's were right...
NJ pretty sure I had the same thing a few years back. What ere all of your symptoms?
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NJ pretty sure I had the same thing a few years back. What ere all of your symptoms?
PAIN LEVEL CHRONIC 10 PLUS,,,urination every 1/2 to hr even with no fluids drank,pain not during but in between that 1/2 hr to hr going...pain in groin /nuts like I rode a bike for hrs,pain on top like I wanted to machete it off..after treatment back to gold...
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PAIN LEVEL CHRONIC 10 PLUS,,,urination every 1/2 to hr even with no fluids drank,pain not during but in between that 1/2 hr to hr going...pain in groin /nuts like I rode a bike for hrs,pain on top like I wanted to machete it off..after treatment back to gold...
Maybe it wasn't that, just an infection. I had some pain after urination. Blood and slight pain discomfort after ejaculation. Went away after I took antibiotics after about 2 months. Had kidney stones too, now that was fun.
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Has Tyrone been adjusting OK, Harley?
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Did this shyster off himself? He hasn't bumped this thread like he usually does
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Did this shyster off himself? He hasn't bumped this thread like he usually does
Why is he a shyster? And why would he "off" himself? Seems to me he has a very fulfilling life with a wide range of interests. And Harley does not bump threads. We do. He's a very interesting guy and there's a lot we want to learn from him. He's been off this thread for some days now due to his unfortunate injury and the effect it has had on him and look how behind he is in the questions that we have for him. I, for one, am eagerly awaiting his return.
And why don't you answer his question, and now mine, who is Dennis? That might better explain your hard on for Harley
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Hey Guys,
No, this "shyster" has not "offed himself."
When I was a young kid in the 70's no one spoke of either divorce or depression in meaningful ways. Yet, today,
we have to admit the prevalence of both and the serious consequences each poses.
So, if OlympiaGym finds my admission to depression less alpha-male than he likes in his superheroes, well, I am just
another failed superhero. I am sure he find another guy in tights to harangue.
I will scroll back and get to any questions I've left behind but I don't think there were that many. You guys were pretty
silent about my MHP and Victor report and after that, I got injured so I didn't have much news to tell. Of course, I am still
always here to "bump" this thread by answering any questions you might have about anything.
My friend and Professor of BJJ, Vitor Terra submitted his opponent in the Finals Saturday at the IBJJF New York Pro in the Black Belt Division.
He has now won both the Miami Open and the NY Open which put him as the Number 1 Black Belt in the IBJJF. Quite an honor. He competed in
the 168 pound division.
The "shyster" despite his public absence, did manage to assist a fellow GetBigger but that is a private matter which I would never reveal. My point
is that while I may go off line for a few days due to a bout, I will not ignore important matters you guys send me via PM.
It's always nice to wake up to a friendly response from Pellius. Thank you.
Harley
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Harley may think he is done with his past but his past isn't done with him.
Justice for Dennis.
??? Come clean!
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I think the reason you didn't get much of reaction from the MHP/Victor situation is that, well at least for my part, it doesn't come as a surprise. It seems that he was always destined to a bad end. I'm not sure if it's all bad luck because I've heard so much about him being shady. It was still interesting news because though many thought things will go bad for him no one has quite sure how it would happen. He was a great bber in his prime and should have beaten Jay that one year.
Congrats to Vitor for his victory.
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You'll be back 100% and feeling great, Harley. You have your priorities set, now, and you will meet your fitness goal. That's the important part.
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Thank you for your help Harley
You kept your word and truly helped my family
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Dear NaturalWonder83,
It was my pleasure to help you and your family.
Please let me know if there is anything else I can do.
Harley
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Thank you for your help Harley
You kept your word and truly helped my family
respect to Harley. What a great guy! :)
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Has Tyrone been adjusting OK, Harley?
Dear Las Vegas,
A few weeks ago, we went to pick up Tyrone in the Bronx as The Breeder, Dark Dynasty K9s drove him down from New Hampshire.
When we arrived I couldn't believe how gorgeous Tyrone appeared. I was also pleasantly shocked that they had brought with them
his father, The Hulk, the world's largest pit bull. The Hulk was the most docile and wonderful dog I have ever met. Then his size?
Well, a crowd quickly gathered and recognized him from his 35 million YouTube hits. Marlon and Lisa were great as they introduced The Hulk
to everyone and let everyone take photos.
Well, as I mentioned, my Mom was dead set against me bringing home a dog and knew nothing of this plan. Needless to say, when we arrived,
all hell broke loose. Eventually, she calmed down and grew fond of the "little guy" who ate everything in site including all the cat's food. My cat,
Oskar, a rescued street cat, took several swipes at Tyrone who ran away.
Even though my Mom calmed down, I was over taken with a sense of shame for having somewhat deceived my Mom. Although this was the 4th pit bull
I brought home against her wishes and I had been alluding to the fact that I was interested in a "Giant Pit Bull" and we might get a visitor, I felt a massive
amount of shame. Given how terribly flawed I am, I am not equipped to take on more guilt or shame, especially when it emanates from my own Mom.
I told my Mom the dog was going back to New Hampshire tomorrow. She said no. She agreed to keep him.
However, as Tyrone howled all night in his cage, I realized that there was not enough patience and ability to deal with sleep deprivation to properly house
train an 8 week old puppy. I called The Breeder at 2:45 am and we spoke. She said that she would take him back but would think of a plan to perhaps
salvage the situation.
The next morning, as I made plans for Tyrone to be driven back up that day, Lisa suggested that she take back Tyrone and house break him. Well, that sounded
pretty good. Also, given that Tyrone was going to be trained for a very high level of home and personal protection on the street and at my office, she suggested that
she just keep him until all his training is done. This is routinely done by them as they sometimes keep a dog for 12 to 18 months before the owner takes him.
Given the training Tyrone will undergo, the fact that my Mom liked him and that he is just incredible in terms of looks and disposition, Tyrone is back in New Hampshire
for full training. I suspect I will take him back in about 10 to 12 months if I can hold out that long.
It was a difficult process and one that sent my heart rate up and down for quite some time. In the end, I think it will be best although I wish I was better able to have
the "puppy experience." I plan on going to visit Tyrone occasionally in New Hampshire so that we can begin to bond although Lisa said that isn't even necessary but not a
bad idea.
Harley
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Yes! I was about to post something similar. Just because you are out of the gym don't just pig out and get fat. Remember, abs are made in the kitchen not the gym. I believe it was a wise man (True Adonis) who once said bodybuilding should be renamed caloric restriction.
Dear Calfzilla,
Given the chronic pain from my "liver shot" it does seem to be true that it will take about 8 weeks before the pain is gone and I can resume training. I remain frustrated
by this injury as January marks 26 years I've enjoyed martial arts training but this injury is the first to my liver and came at the absolute worst time. My diet and training
were really taking off and I was sure to hit my goal.
Well, life has its own dictates at times so I am pretty much left with no other option but to starve myself. I am now on a completely catabolic path to at least lose the "pounds."
As I am sure you guys know, losing weight for the sheer sake of losing weight will not improve one's condition. I am just going to be a much smaller version of myself in 5 weeks if
all goes well. My plan is to lose as much weight as I can be eating as little as I can and then, when I can train, eat quality food and build up some muscle.
I used to think it was actually painful to eat 5 times a day. Now I find it most painful to be hungry all the time.
Why couldn't I have become obsessed with chess or checkers rather than bodybuilding?
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
A few weeks ago, we went to pick up Tyrone in the Bronx as The Breeder, Dark Dynasty K9s drove him down from New Hampshire.
When we arrived I couldn't believe how gorgeous Tyrone appeared. I was also pleasantly shocked that they had brought with them
his father, The Hulk, the world's largest pit bull. The Hulk was the most docile and wonderful dog I have ever met. Then his size?
Well, a crowd quickly gathered and recognized him from his 35 million YouTube hits. Marlon and Lisa were great as they introduced The Hulk
to everyone and let everyone take photos.
Well, as I mentioned, my Mom was dead set against me bringing home a dog and knew nothing of this plan. Needless to say, when we arrived,
all hell broke loose. Eventually, she calmed down and grew fond of the "little guy" who ate everything in site including all the cat's food. My cat,
Oskar, a rescued street cat, took several swipes at Tyrone who ran away.
Even though my Mom calmed down, I was over taken with a sense of shame for having somewhat deceived my Mom. Although this was the 4th pit bull
I brought home against her wishes and I had been alluding to the fact that I was interested in a "Giant Pit Bull" and we might get a visitor, I felt a massive
amount of shame. Given how terribly flawed I am, I am not equipped to take on more guilt or shame, especially when it emanates from my own Mom.
I told my Mom the dog was going back to New Hampshire tomorrow. She said no. She agreed to keep him.
However, as Tyrone howled all night in his cage, I realized that there was not enough patience and ability to deal with sleep deprivation to properly house
train an 8 week old puppy. I called The Breeder at 2:45 am and we spoke. She said that she would take him back but would think of a plan to perhaps
salvage the situation.
The next morning, as I made plans for Tyrone to be driven back up that day, Lisa suggested that she take back Tyrone and house break him. Well, that sounded
pretty good. Also, given that Tyrone was going to be trained for a very high level of home and personal protection on the street and at my office, she suggested that
she just keep him until all his training is done. This is routinely done by them as they sometimes keep a dog for 12 to 18 months before the owner takes him.
Given the training Tyrone will undergo, the fact that my Mom liked him and that he is just incredible in terms of looks and disposition, Tyrone is back in New Hampshire
for full training. I suspect I will take him back in about 10 to 12 months if I can hold out that long.
It was a difficult process and one that sent my heart rate up and down for quite some time. In the end, I think it will be best although I wish I was better able to have
the "puppy experience." I plan on going to visit Tyrone occasionally in New Hampshire so that we can begin to bond although Lisa said that isn't even necessary but not a
bad idea.
Harley
Harley, how did your mom get along with Bruno? Do you think part of her feelings could be due to remembering the heartbreak and pain of losing him?
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It kind of scares me to think of how they train puppies to be protection dogs, when so many do that by simply beating the dog and mistreating him. I'm sure your people are above that, but it is the method used by too many assholes in this world.
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Dear Las Vegas,
I brought home Bruno the same way, but took both he and his brother from 2 of my clients in Paterson.
She loved Bruno profoundly and his loss last year was a tremendous blow to all of us.
I think it is more the idea that my Mom will be limited in her activities as we seldom ever left Bruno home alone for more than
3 hours. We are a little crazy here in the Breite home for our pets and we get sad to leave them alone too long. I assured my Mom
that this time will be different and she can go and come as she pleases. Also, my Mom is not going to be traveling on airplanes much at
all given her age and health issues.
She also realizes that we have a safety issue given the recent growth in my former clients wishing to harm me.
My Mom is also aware that I benefit greatly from the companionship of a dog. Oskar The Cat became hers and I am left to 400 useless
Cable channels when it comes time for me to finally turn things off and relax. It's nice to have someone waiting at the top of the stairs when
you come home who isn't anything but elated to see you and completely without criticism or demand.
Harley
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It kind of scares me to think of how they train puppies to be protection dogs, when so many do that by simply beating the dog and mistreating him. I'm sure your people are above that, but it is the method used by too many assholes in this world.
Dear Las Vegas,
I ASSURE you, that if, for one remote second I thought that was the case here, I would be on a letter writing campaign to the State Attorney General himself.
I built a relationship with them for several months before making this decision to buy a dog from them. I did as much research as I could. I stressed that my dog
was to be a house dog, lazy and lovable. I was not looking for "game" in the dog but understood he had to be trained.
I could always be wrong, but nothing I have seen leads me to believe that these are anything but highly reputable and decent people. I've looked into quite few
"puppy mills" in the Carolinas and down South and they are deplorable. Dark Dynasty K9s is not like that.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I brought home Bruno the same way, but took both he and his brother from 2 of my clients in Paterson.
She loved Bruno profoundly and his loss last year was a tremendous blow to all of us.
I think it is more the idea that my Mom will be limited in her activities as we seldom ever left Bruno home alone for more than
3 hours. We are a little crazy here in the Breite home for our pets and we get sad to leave them alone too long. I assured my Mom
that this time will be different and she can go and come as she pleases. Also, my Mom is not going to be traveling on airplanes much at
all given her age and health issues.
She also realizes that we have a safety issue given the recent growth in my former clients wishing to harm me.
My Mom is also aware that I benefit greatly from the companionship of a dog. Oskar The Cat became hers and I am left to 400 useless
Cable channels when it comes time for me to finally turn things off and relax. It's nice to have someone waiting at the top of the stairs when
you come home who isn't anything but elated to see you and completely without criticism or demand.
Harley
You know, I think she's going to be thrilled with Tyrone and it will happen very quickly upon his return. There shouldn't be much more resistance (if at all), especially since she will be prepared, mentally, this time.
You will be back in action then, too. Being injured cannot have been in good timing (is it ever?), so it will all work out for the best.
Btw, I bet your mom was happy when you told her you're going to prioritize your fitness goals over your fight-training goals. She was probably the happiest mom in NJ right then.
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Wow, man. :o
(http://uploads.neatorama.com/images/posts/53/80/80053/1425470702-0.jpg)
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That is Hulk, btw.
:o :o :o
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(http://cdn.earthporm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/world-biggest-pitbull-the-hulk-dark-dynasty-k9-7.jpg)
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How'd you like this guy to be angry with you??
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1HO4OrCR-Ms/maxresdefault.jpg)
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;D ;D ;D
(http://www.puppyleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/hulk2.jpg)
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No, you wouldn't want this guy coming after you when he's pissed.
(http://cfile217.uf.daum.net/image/252FCA3C54EAB18506EC2B)
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Dear Las Vegas,
I really do appreciate your constant support. It means a great deal to me and I hope, one day, I can repay the favor.
It was great of you to post pictures of The Hulk. I promise to get my Computer Guy going (he just got married--I know, I tried to talk to him- LOL)
so that I can post pictures of Tyrone and my other bodybuilding photos.
And just so you guys don't think I am biased, I did find a picture of me with both Dorian and Dennis James. And yes, both are Wider Than Heath
and wider than me.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I really do appreciate your constant support. It means a great deal to me and I hope, one day, I can repay the favor.
It was great of you to post pictures of The Hulk. I promise to get my Computer Guy going (he just got married--I know, I tried to talk to him- LOL)
so that I can post pictures of Tyrone and my other bodybuilding photos.
And just so you guys don't think I am biased, I did find a picture of me with both Dorian and Dennis James. And yes, both are Wider Than Heath
and wider than me.
Harley
It is easy, Harley. You can make a free online photo album (and you can password-protect it if you want) from which you can display any image on here without getting the 'file size too large' warning.
Any time you want, just let me know and I will show you how. It's as easy as what you've already done.
And yeah, for some reason, I get the feeling we will meet someday.
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(http://www.theonlinecentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/World%E2%80%99s-Largest-Pitbull-%E2%80%9CHulk%E2%80%9D-Has-8-Puppies-Worth-Up-To-Half-A-Million-Dollars-3.jpg)
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He looks happy to be with his pups.
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(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/11849892_977602898956528_2034775538_n.jpg)
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I saw a short 10min film about that kennel and they seemed like a really good kennel that is not just after quick money but care and love the dogs and they really know what they are doin. I was impressed. I have had puppies but my last staffie was 12 months when i took her and i dont regret taking a one year old before a pupoy. Thing is with dogs is that they adapt quick to new owners even if they are older and the puppie time goes quite fast so you dod the right thing if you feel like you dont have the time right now, wouldnt be fair to the dog either
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It kind of scares me to think of how they train puppies to be protection dogs, when so many do that by simply beating the dog and mistreating him. I'm sure your people are above that, but it is the method used by too many assholes in this world.
the kennel harley is taking his dog from is not like that, they sre knowlegable and loving to their dogs and have a good reputation...even i who lives in sweden knows them
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
Thanks for your advise.
Harley
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the kennel harley is taking his dog from is not like that, they sre knowlegable and loving to their dogs and have a good reputation...even i who lives in sweden knows them
I haven't looked too far into it, but the only concern I've seen about them is that they are breeding for size. So maybe a general complaint is to say that such selective breeding could result in health problems due to genetic instabilities.
If it was done completely without regard for anything but size, then maybe that's true. But I haven't seen anything to say that's the case with DD.
Fact is, size is what this bloodline is about. I'd hope the breeders are keeping track of what's going on throughout the lives of these dogs in order to make sure any health problems aren't being compounded, though. If nothing else, it would benefit their business to do that, so I'd think they would.
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Harley,
Thanks again, for giving us insight into your life.
This has been a very interesting thread.
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Las vegas: i understand what you are saying..for me a dog like hulk (even if he is awesome) is not a american pitbull terrier, way to big to be one. Many have started to breed the bullie line to get bigger and bigger dogs that looks like apt and they dont look healty with their frog like body and huuge skull...but dont know if they are any unhelthier then apt
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Las vegas: i understand what you are saying..for me a dog like hulk (even if he is awesome) is not a american pitbull terrier, way to big to be one. Many have started to breed the bullie line to get bigger and bigger dogs that looks like apt and they dont look healty with their frog like body and huuge skull...but dont know if they are any unhelthier then apt
Yes, Hulk is actually the result of a Pit and Mastiff breeding. That's why he isn't an "official" record-holder even though he's probably the most well-known living dog.
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mating hulk with a large pit will generally produce very large pit-looking dogs in that program
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Here's a shot from a training session at DDK9, so at least it doesn't look as grim as something from the projects might.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BS4nUos_774/maxresdefault.jpg)
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I'd imagine they are training the dog to respond according to the dude's hand movements.
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From what I've seen, the closest thing to a specific complaint is that irregularly large dogs are subject to problems resulting from their structures.
I know that a very tall dog like a Great Dane can (and probably will) have joint issues in old age, but not sure that would apply with Hulk and his offspring. I think the best thing is to take it easy on them and don't encourage super-high jumping (with frisbees, etc.) and to avoid abnormal stresses which invite future trouble. Let the dog do what comes naturally.
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Harley,
Thanks again, for giving us insight into your life.
This has been a very interesting thread.
Dear Shizzo,
Thank you for taking an interest.
Upon meeting people and responding to "so what do you do for a living?", (the answer- I am a criminal defense trial attorney) I am usually
asked a myriad of questions ranging from how can I represent someone who I know to be guilty to who is the worst guy you ever represented.
There are more than I expected who are interested in this stuff and perhaps that is due to all the Law and Order type television shows. I am always
happy to answer their questions but wait till the point where my answers are not what they expected nor wanted to hear. Then it gets interesting for me.
This whole time on GetBig has been quite rewarding for me. I was pleasantly surprised at the amount of intellectual challenge on the board. Perhaps my
first spin here left me a bit biased and myopic. The educated, well-read views of Pellius, SF 1900 and so many others combined with the supportive good nature
of Las Vegas, Ronnie Rep, Wiggs, and Fitness Frenzy along with the surprisingly sensitive and insightful comments from Army of One have just been some of the
wonderfully rewarding surprises from just a few of the many GetBiggers who have made this such a nice experience.
I hope that I can offer interesting or helpful points on bodybuilding, the law, cars, martial arts or any other area of which I am asked. I have learned a great deal here
and am grateful to be a sponge to all of your knowledge and keen insight and still hope, one day, to win the respect of Herne (I'm working on it).
Harley
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A Favor:
Might I impose on any GetBigger for a favor?
I am trying to purchase one of my favorite books but in German. I find it hard to believe it has not been translated into German.
The book is Robert Wright "The Moral Animal"
If someone could send me the link to purchase it in German I would kindly write an IOU for one favor.
Thanks.
Harley
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Dear Shizzo,
Thank you for taking an interest.
Upon meeting people and responding to "so what do you do for a living?", (the answer- I am a criminal defense trial attorney) I am usually
asked a myriad of questions ranging from how can I represent someone who I know to be guilty to who is the worst guy you ever represented.
There are more than I expected who are interested in this stuff and perhaps that is due to all the Law and Order type television shows. I am always
happy to answer their questions but wait till the point where my answers are not what they expected nor wanted to hear. Then it gets interesting for me.
This whole time on GetBig has been quite rewarding for me. I was pleasantly surprised at the amount of intellectual challenge on the board. Perhaps my
first spin here left me a bit biased and myopic. The educated, well-read views of Pellius, SF 1900 and so many others combined with the supportive good nature
of Las Vegas, Ronnie Rep, Wiggs, and Fitness Frenzy along with the surprisingly sensitive and insightful comments from Army of One have just been some of the
wonderfully rewarding surprises from just a few of the many GetBiggers who have made this such a nice experience.
I hope that I can offer interesting or helpful points on bodybuilding, the law, cars, martial arts or any other area of which I am asked. I have learned a great deal here
and am grateful to be a sponge to all of your knowledge and keen insight and still hope, one day, to win the respect of Herne (I'm working on it).
Harley
Meltdown.
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A Favor:
Might I impose on any GetBigger for a favor?
I am trying to purchase one of my favorite books but in German. I find it hard to believe it has not been translated into German.
The book is Robert Wright "The Moral Animal"
If someone could send me the link to purchase it in German I would kindly write an IOU for one favor.
Thanks.
Harley
Will this work?
http://www.amazon.de/Diesseits-animal-biologischen-Grundlagen-unserer/dp/3809030023 (http://www.amazon.de/Diesseits-animal-biologischen-Grundlagen-unserer/dp/3809030023)
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Meltdown.
I thought I was familiar with the concept of Meltdown but perhaps I am confused.
Thanking someone is a meltdown?
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Harley, calfzilla's link is it, and here's another with all the places selling it http://buch.archinform.net/isbn/3-8090-3002-3.htm
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I thought I was familiar with the concept of Meltdown but perhaps I am confused.
Thanking someone is a meltdown?
Its sarcasm, Harley. ;D
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Again, you guys always get me as I am a computer internet idiot.
One day I am going to get you guys, but really good.
Good one Shizzo
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A Favor: Update
So I call my secretary on a day in which I had given her off and tell her that I NEED this book in German purchased ASAP.
For some reason, she couldn't order it, not from either site.
I remain terribly frustrated.
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Sounds like she's not trying hard enough. Maybe some time on the unemployment line will help.
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Not sure what her "problem" ::) is but if it's the language there is an option on the bottom of the Amazon page to translate to English.
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Seems that they won't deliver.
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It is easy, Harley. You can make a free online photo album (and you can password-protect it if you want) from which you can display any image on here without getting the 'file size too large' warning.
Any time you want, just let me know and I will show you how. It's as easy as what you've already done.
And yeah, for some reason, I get the feeling we will meet someday.
Dear Las Vegas,
How are you uploading the photos to GetBig when they are larger than 500 kb? Especially considering that most digital photos in their original
form are well over 1 megabite?
As you can see, this question is quoted to me from my Computer Guy. I have him logged in to my computer and we are trying to resolve this issue
once and for all.
Can't wait to get this done to send some much better pics.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
He is uploading the images to another site like http://www.imgur.com then linking it in the body of his post instead of using Getbig's image attachment feature.
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Me and The Mystery Machine
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Craig from awhile ago
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What an awesome friggin` dog! :D
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Craig from awhile ago
Looks like he brought his arms up with some success. Legs look shredded and complete.
Great bodybuilder by any standard, something you can't say for most current pros.
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Me and some friends.
I am practicing
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Part of my office
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Here is my Coach, Sean "Shorty Rock" Santella (awaiting the call now from the UFC) actually breaking my rib in the early part of
this year's Training Camp.
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My Very First Painting
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My 2nd Painting
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My 3rd Painting
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My Very First Painting
Dear Harley,
I'd say painting comes somewhat natural to you.
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My 4th Painting
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My 5th Painting
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My 6th Painting
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My 7th Painting
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Me and some friends.
I am practicing
"Jane Fonda American Traitor Bitch"
Lol, nice!
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My 8th Painting
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My 8th Painting
Dear Harley,
Wow good one...
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My 9th Painting
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=660046;image )
(https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/bob-ross.jpg?w=1200 )
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My 10th Painting
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My 11th Painting
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This is the picture I sought to paint but changed it a bit
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My 12th Painting
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Ever paint any naked ladies, Harley? Your pictures are good, but I can't fap to them.
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My 13th Painting
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My 12th Painting
That is quite impressive.
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My 14th Painting
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My 15th Painting
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Hey Guys,
It was great learning how to post pictures.
Thank you for letting me share some of my private photos. I've been painting for 2 years now and find it
somewhat relaxing at times but obviously, I don't take it seriously.
Harley
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Harley, what's the latest on your liver?
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I thought I was familiar with the concept of Meltdown but perhaps I am confused.
Thanking someone is a meltdown?
Any post longer than two sentences is considered a "meltdown" to shizzo. It's his most used and abused stock phrase.
Don't be surprised if I get a "meltdown" response to this post from him.
And, good to have you posting again, Harley. Don't let this thread die. This is the only civilized thread on this board that has gone over two pages.
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My 8th Painting
Wow! How long did it take you to complete this? So much detail.
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My 13th Painting
HOLY CRAP! That's incredible!
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Awesome artwork Harley....props!
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Harley, what's the latest on your liver?
Dear Saint Anger,
Thank you for asking. The latest is still "pain." It's a hematoma which they said would take 6-8 weeks to heal. It's really put
me in a dark place as I was just in a great groove in terms of diet and training and ready to reach my goal.
I am not used to an injury resulting in chronic pain taking so long to heal. Someone tried to make me feel better by telling me he
had a similar injury and it took him 6 whole weeks before he got back to his normal routine. He even told me that the famous fighter,
Bas Rutten has a YouTube compilation about the Liver Shots he dished out which immobilized quite a few opponents. I won't watch it if
it even exists.
I am trying to eat as little as possible in order to lose some weight which is not going to help my condition but just make me a lighter,
slightly less repulsive version of myself than I am now if I am successful.
Harley
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Harley, I am amazed at the difference between your portraits of people and your landscape paintings.
All of your work Is good, but these are phenomenal:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=660056;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=660057;image)
Your 13th painting looks like a picture from a camera! :o
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Dear Pellius,
My 8th Painting "Brasil", took me about 3 months to paint. It was my first stab at a different style which I
self-titled "Neo-Realism." You see, what's the point of painting if you can't throw around pretentious French sounding
words and talk as if only a few other people can understand you? LOL.
No, I just wanted to try painting in a style different from the Bob Ross style I started with.
I then tried a different style "The Cherry Blossom Tree" which no one liked but was a bit harder to do than it might appear.
I then took a shot at portraits which people seem to respond well to.
Again, I just started 2 years ago and I don't paint very often. When I do, it's in 4-5 blocks so that I lose myself into the project.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
My 8th Painting "Brasil", took me about 3 months to paint. It was my first stab at a different style which I
self-titled "Neo-Realism." You see, what's the point of painting if you can't throw around pretentious French sounding
words and talk as if only a few other people can understand you? LOL.
No, I just wanted to try painting in a style different from the Bob Ross style I started with.
I then tried a different style "The Cherry Blossom Tree" which no one liked but was a bit harder to do than it might appear.
I then took a shot at portraits which people seem to respond well to.
Again, I just started 2 years ago and I don't paint very often. When I do, it's in 4-5 blocks so that I lose myself into the project.
Harley
Harley, you could make some serious money from portraits. You clearly have a gift in that genre.
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Dear Shizzo,
Thank you for the compliment that the portrait looks like a "picture from a camera."
I actually change things from the photo I look at to what actually ends up on the canvas.
The portrait you mention was inspired by a photo which had me holding a water bottle and was taken outside
the Guggenheim Museum in NYC (oh, oh, I mentioned that I went to a museum- This is going to get me crushed here).
I also took out the words on my shirt which said "Gracie Humaita Jiu-Jitsu" as I didn't want there to be any attention to
what I was wearing. I also took the liberty of whitening my teeth and took out a few wrinkles in my face.
Hey, what the heck, right?
Harley
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Dear Shizzo,
Thank you for the compliment that the portrait looks like a "picture from a camera."
I actually change things from the photo I look at to what actually ends up on the canvas.
The portrait you mention was inspired by a photo which had me holding a water bottle and was taken outside
the Guggenheim Museum in NYC (oh, oh, I mentioned that I went to a museum- This is going to get me crushed here).
I also took out the words on my shirt which said "Gracie Humaita Jiu-Jitsu" as I didn't want there to be any attention to
what I was wearing. I also took the liberty of whitening my teeth and took out a few wrinkles in my face.
Hey, what the heck, right?
Harley
That portrait ranks with the best in the world. Seriously........Harley you are a savant at portraits.
Please continue to do fantastic work.
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Dear Shizzo,
Thank you for the compliment that the portrait looks like a "picture from a camera."
I actually change things from the photo I look at to what actually ends up on the canvas.
The portrait you mention was inspired by a photo which had me holding a water bottle and was taken outside
the Guggenheim Museum in NYC (oh, oh, I mentioned that I went to a museum- This is going to get me crushed here).
I also took out the words on my shirt which said "Gracie Humaita Jiu-Jitsu" as I didn't want there to be any attention to
what I was wearing. I also took the liberty of whitening my teeth and took out a few wrinkles in my face.
Hey, what the heck, right?
Harley
Creative license! ;)
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Dear Shizzo,
Thanks but I doubt there is any real money in my painting. There are truly trained professionals who have serious
talent upon which they have worked for decades and devoted their lives. I took on painting I guess because I couldn't get
a date. LOL.
The second portrait is one in which I removed a large wine glass in front of me and took out the entire backdrop of a crowded
restaurant.
I was going to paint my dog, Bruno but I couldn't emotionally do it.
Harley
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Dear Wes,
Well, the next portrait may take some "artistic license" and find me with the following:
1) The face and waist of Francis Benfatto
2) The abs of John Hnatyshack
3) The bicep peak and quad striations of Paul Jean Guillaume
And one of Herne's favorites adoring me.
Now that would be a perfect me!!!
Harley
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Dear Shizzo,
Thanks but I doubt there is any real money in my painting. There are truly trained professionals who have serious
talent upon which they have worked for decades and devoted their lives. I took on painting I guess because I couldn't get
a date. LOL.
The second portrait is one in which I removed a large wine glass in front of me and took out the entire backdrop of a crowded
restaurant.
I was going to paint my dog, Bruno but I couldn't emotionally do it.
Harley
Agreed that it isn't necessarily about money, but you absolutely can hang with anyone when it comes to portraits.
Why paint ho-hum landscapes (still good) when you can show your true gift of painting portraits?
I literally thought you posted a regular picture, and confused it for painting #13.
You have an amazing gift, and are being far too humble about it. Well done, Harley.
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Dear Shizzo,
Thanks. I don't particularly understand art and the world of what is desirable in terms of big money.
I never took Art History in college as I understood I was throwing away a certain amount of my parents'
money on tuition but it was a means to a end. Still, having them pay for 3 credits of Art History seemed
unfair.
Harley
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The Chevelle Motor
540 All Aluminum
Dyno Results: Naturally aspirated- 782hp 707lbs-ft of torque.
With 175hp nitrous shot and a safe tune-up dry the engine made 980hp 948lbs-ft of torque.
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Me Getting Kicked In The Face
Anyone who says he doesn't get beat up while training is a complete liar
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Me Getting Kicked In The Face
Anyone who says he doesn't get beat up while training is a complete liar
Reflexes of peace. Do they teach blocking in BJJ? :D
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Me and your friends
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Reflexes of peace. Do they teach blocking in BJJ? :D
Apparently, I missed that lesson.
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Harley, I would like to commission you to paint a portrait for me. Is this anything you would be interested in, or is it just a hobby for you? It would be Napoleon on his horse.
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You guys would probably want to meet my client who, along with another guy, took a 4th grade girl from her home at 3:00 am and
video-taped them raping her.
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I am sorry the article came out so small as virtually unreadable.
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You guys would probably want to meet my client who, along with another guy, took a 4th grade girl from her home at 3:00 am and
video-taped them raping her.
If by meet you mean meet up with them to sink a knife into their skulls, then yes, I'd say most getbiggers would like to meet these clients.
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Part of my office
Awesome. My kinda room. Movie poster, lotsa books, Universal figures, comfy chairs. :)
/i have that pic of coogan and chaplin sitting in the doorway in my book room.
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You guys would probably want to meet my client who, along with another guy, took a 4th grade girl from her home at 3:00 am and
video-taped them raping her.
Careful Harley. Careful.
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Careful Harley. Careful.
Yes, it was a bit pedo-esque. Hopefully he meant it the way it think, that we'd like to meet them to kill them.
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Criminally weak chin on our hero there.
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Yes, it was a bit pedo-esque. Hopefully he meant it the way it think, that we'd like to meet them to kill them.
Not that, but I don't want him talking about the scum he represents, especially when it is a case like that, and he knows they are guilty.
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He doesn't care about guilt or innocence, or whom his "clients" have hurt, just about money. He would have undercut Judas. Should buy a chin implant though.
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Harley, I am amazed at the difference between your portraits of people and your landscape paintings.
All of your work Is good, but these are phenomenal:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=660056;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=660057;image)
Your 13th painting looks like a picture from a camera! :o
Exactly! It's amazing. Whenever I see a portrait of a person it always has that look that it's a painting. Yours look just like a photograph. The detail is mind boggling. If it wasn't you I'd call B.S. and want proof that it's not a picture.
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Exactly! It's amazing. Whenever I see a portrait of a person it always has that look that it's a painting. Yours look just like a photograph. The detail is mind boggling. If it wasn't you I'd call B.S. and want proof that it's not a picture.
Wouldn't that be hilarious if Harley is trolling us with his famous "#13" painting. ;D
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Dear Wes,
Well, the next portrait may take some "artistic license" and find me with the following:
1) The face and waist of Francis Benfatto
2) The abs of John Hnatyshack
3) The bicep peak and quad striations of Paul Jean Guillaume
And one of Herne's favorites adoring me.
Now that would be a perfect me!!!
Harley
"John Hnatyshack". There's a name I haven't heard in a while.
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/12/JohnHnatyschak204-1.jpg)
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"John Hnatyshack". There's a name I haven't heard in a while.
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2008/12/JohnHnatyschak204-1.jpg)
Loved the movie.
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0726/sn_caddyshack_576.jpg)
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He doesn't care about guilt or innocence, or whom his "clients" have hurt, just about money. He would have undercut Judas. Should buy a chin implant though.
Why don't you act like a man and just state plainly what's your issue with Harley. You've been asked twice about who is Dennis and you have ignore the question. Why? You just hide behind a computer throwing spit balls like a pussy.
State your case or shut up.
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Harley, I would like to commission you to paint a portrait for me. Is this anything you would be interested in, or is it just a hobby for you? It would be Napoleon on his horse.
x2
Except the Napoleon thing.
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See Harley, I was right about the money thing. Imagine what you could do for charity.
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Why don't you act like a man and just state plainly what's your issue with Harley. You've been asked twice about who is Dennis and you have ignore the question. Why? You just hide behind a computer throwing spit balls like a pussy.
State your case or shut up.
Pretty sure Harley doesn't need an online bodyguard, penislust. ::)
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Pretty sure Harley doesn't need an online bodyguard, penislust. ::)
x2. Harley is a prominent defense lawyer. He clearly gives no fucks.
Ultimate respect.
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I dont know what im more impressed with, harleys paintings or that he finally learned how to post pics
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You guys would probably want to meet my client who, along with another guy, took a 4th grade girl from her home at 3:00 am and
video-taped them raping her.
That fucker looks evil. How did he behave during the case? Are you allowed to talk about it?
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That fucker looks evil. How did he behave during the case? Are you allowed to talk about it?
Harley shouldn't talk shop on here. He is far more interesting in his pedestrian life anyways.
Harley, you are a consummate professional. I advise you to not mix business with pleasure. ;)
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Except the Napoleon thing.
Bullshit. Even though he was a short shit, the dude was the baddest of the bad.
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Harley, getting the book from Amazon will require making an Amazon account (which means entering a mailing address and billing address and that type of thing). The only drawback to using Amazon is that you may be unable to stop yourself from buying things every day.
Otherwise, the other sites will have a cart icon and that's where you start the process.
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You have Bob's technique down very well, H. Did you get to meet him before he passed?
He was very, very good with what he did. His son replicated his style probably nearer than anyone else, and I would say you are at, or very near, the level of his son.
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Harley, how did you come about the styles in 8 and 9? That is just amazing. Really incredible.
9 has a Thomas Kincade vibe going on. He made an entire industry from that style, in fact. Did you have him in mind when you did that?? Nice work.
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Harley, I am stunned. Your 13th and 14th: Did you use a sort of Camera Obscura technique with those??
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Did you use a sort of Camera Obscura technique with those??
fyi for anyone who doesn't know: many of the old paintings from famous artists were done using this, and it requires very real talent.
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Harley,
Have you ever considered a restraining order against the poster known as "Las Vegas"?
Sincerely,
Chaos
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He doesn't care about guilt or innocence, or whom his "clients" have hurt, just about money. He would have undercut Judas. Should buy a chin implant though.
Hey Olympia Gym,
Glad to see you are still interested in degenerate like me.
Harley
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Harley,
Have you ever considered a restraining order against the poster known as "Las Vegas"?
Sincerely,
Chaos
;D. Thread gained about 3 pages. Just catching up.
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Hey Guys,
Let's get a couple of things straight:
1) What kind of person would I be if I came on this site and did NOT talk about my work? Any case that is currently still in court is not one in which I could discuss
entirely too much but there is still much to be discussed. The recent photo I posted is of a FORMER client who has long been sentenced. I also never said he was guilty.
I merely stated what he himself stated in his plea to the Court.
Some of you have questions. Some of you raise very interesting points. Should I just ignore that and claim that I am not permitted to talk about it under some false
pretense of Attorney/Client Privilege? Well, I won't do that. Of course, I won't reveal things my clients say in confidence but almost all else is of public record or trial strategy
and can also be for public consumption. How are any of us to learn more about anything if those "behind the rope" don't tell us what this bullshit, world-wide, pussy media is
afraid to report, say or write? You guys ask me anything about my work and if I want to and I am able to answer, I will.
2) Where did the notion of pedophilia come to play? I raised the issue of the case because you seem to have very serious positions on rapists, especially those of children. There
was also an interesting immigration issue here. I was not suggesting that you nor I, nor anyone else espouses pedophilia. Please, we are a bit too far advanced, even on this site,
to make such a stupid claim.
3) I am flattered by the questions as to the portraits. They are, in fact, paintings. No one seems to question the second one which is so obviously a painting as the textures are seen
even through posting them here. The other portrait does seem to impress people, if I say so myself. It took me 3 months of continuous and arduous work. As I mentioned, I left out
the Guggenheim and my water bottle and made my teeth whiter and my ears with a bit more cauliflower. "Artistic License" as Wiggs was so kind to mention. If you like, I will take a closer
picture so you can see the paint texture and strokes but believe me, no real artist is going to want to claim mine for his. But, I thank you guys for the compliments.
4) Lastly, I came here and welcomed this thread and already placed on record, at length, why I do what I do for a living. I am not here to apologize for any of it. Not everyone has to do
what I do for a living nor like it. I can't imagine that ALL of your jobs don't require some fabrication of the truth, have members who are committing corporate and white collar crime,
sink in beauractratic mud and are filled with pricks. The legal profession is not a noble one, not by far. I made my bones, live in my skin and do the best I can. I just hope, God forbid,
should the day come when you or a loved one is falsely charged, you find a lawyer who is comfortable in his own skin too.
Now, let's continue.
Harley
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Harley,
Have you ever considered a restraining order against the poster known as "Las Vegas"?
Sincerely,
Chaos
Ha!
No shit, huh.
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Awesome. My kinda room. Movie poster, lotsa books, Universal figures, comfy chairs. :)
/i have that pic of coogan and chaplin sitting in the doorway in my book room.
Dear Dr.Chimps,
I was hesitant to show my office as you guys can be pretty darn hard but that side of it is less bombastic than the others.
Chaplin was one of the few true geniuses to ever spend time in Hollywood.
Harley
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I dont know what im more impressed with, harleys paintings or that he finally learned how to post pics
Dear Kim Jong,
That was very funny. I knew it would take awhile but it was necessary for me to learn how to post pictures, especially if you guys
want to see the progress on the 4 cars being built and some of the other aspects of my life.
There is a Swiss filmmaker who does only documentaries who has been filming for over a year about one of my cases. He is calling it
"Stray Bullitt" and it examines the lives of all those involved in the senseless death of 12 year old Genesis Rincon in Paterson, New Jersey.
His name is Jean Cosme, I believe, and he has already premiered his last film at the Toronto Film Festival. As the Defense Attorney for the
accused murderer, Jean has spent quite a bit of time filming me, at my house, at my charity parties, at MMA, in my car, etc. He films quite a bit
in the courtroom, especially when I yell at the Prosecutor and the Judge as to why they won't give me a damn trial already. He seems to be
attempting to get all sides of all the people involved.
I just bring this up as it came to mind.
Harley
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That fucker looks evil. How did he behave during the case? Are you allowed to talk about it?
Dear Guyincognito,
Canpolat, the Defendant, behaved with a mindset as if he didn't care about anything but getting back to "my country" (Turkey). He was uneducated,
moved by popular culture, unread, and lacking all desire to better himself.
He never once showed remorse even during his plea and sentencing. It was an easy case for me as he himself didn't care too much what happened to
him or anyone else. It's hard to get vested when the client himself couldn't care less. The tattoo under his eye was also a sign to me (it was in Japanese)
that his main influences were MTV and social media.
During the case, he tattooed his hands which is just what a jury loves to see.
Harley
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You have Bob's technique down very well, H. Did you get to meet him before he passed?
He was very, very good with what he did. His son replicated his style probably nearer than anyone else, and I would say you are at, or very near, the level of his son.
Dear Las Vegas,
My Painting Professor is a Certified Bob Ross Instructor and in fact, was chosen by Bob to work with Bob in Missouri as Bob opened his own theater for his own
live shows. Unfortunately, Bob died during pre-production.
My Professor says Bob was a genuinely nice guy and a ferocious businessman. My Professor actually has 2 original works Bob gave him. I own a check endorsed by Bob as
I collect autographs.
I also use Bob Ross paint as an interesting side note. Did you know Bob was a Marine Drill Sergeant?
Harley
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Dear Kim Jong,
That was very funny. I knew it would take awhile but it was necessary for me to learn how to post pictures, especially if you guys
want to see the progress on the 4 cars being built and some of the other aspects of my life.
There is a Swiss filmmaker who does only documentaries who has been filming for over a year about one of my cases. He is calling it
"Stray Bullitt" and it examines the lives of all those involved in the senseless death of 12 year old Genesis Rincon in Paterson, New Jersey.
His name is Jean Cosme, I believe, and he has already premiered his last film at the Toronto Film Festival. As the Defense Attorney for the
accused murderer, Jean has spent quite a bit of time filming me, at my house, at my charity parties, at MMA, in my car, etc. He films quite a bit
in the courtroom, especially when I yell at the Prosecutor and the Judge as to why they won't give me a damn trial already. He seems to be
attempting to get all sides of all the people involved.
I just bring this up as it came to mind.
Harley
cool will look up the movie....and a tip dont even bother to respond to some of the asshole posts here
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Harley, how did you come about the styles in 8 and 9? That is just amazing. Really incredible.
9 has a Thomas Kincade vibe going on. He made an entire industry from that style, in fact. Did you have him in mind when you did that?? Nice work.
Dear Las Vegas,
The styles in 8 and 9 were a result of me wanting to try something new. I mean, how many landscaped can one man paint (remember, I am no Bob Ross)?
I wanted to see if I could paint things that looked like the pictures I was looking at. I was very good at drawing when I was a kid but never did anything with it.
I took it upon myself to divide up the canvas and very carefully sketch, with pencil where I wanted to go. I then changed brushes and strokes and over time, was able
to become a bit more concise in the movements. Of course, there were some buildings I left out and painting them into green grass as it became quite tedious over time.
That type of painting is not always as much fun.
"The House" is actually what I call "A Snow Day." I always tell my Mom that I can't wait to get snowed in so I don't have to go out to court or have clients call. I can sleep a
bit longer, watch television and drink hot chocolate all day. Yes, I am admitting all this as I promised to always do in order to best explain myself. I wanted to paint as serene a
picture I could and Thomas Kinkade had a wonderful way of doing that. He inspired that one. That one is perhaps my favorite.
Harley
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Harley, I am stunned. Your 13th and 14th: Did you use a sort of Camera Obscura technique with those??
Dear Las Vegas,
I must profess my ignorance. I don't know what Camera Obscura is.
I just looked at a photo and changed what I didn't like.
Just an idiot with a brush.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
My Painting Professor is a Certified Bob Ross Instructor and in fact, was chosen by Bob to work with Bob in Missouri as Bob opened his own theater for his own
live shows. Unfortunately, Bob died during pre-production.
My Professor says Bob was a genuinely nice guy and a ferocious businessman. My Professor actually has 2 original works Bob gave him. I own a check endorsed by Bob as
I collect autographs.
I also use Bob Ross paint as an interesting side note. Did you know Bob was a Marine Drill Sergeant?
Harley
Yes. He got tired of telling people what to do, and that's what led him to take up painting.
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Harley,
Have you ever considered a restraining order against the poster known as "Las Vegas"?
Sincerely,
Chaos
Dear Chaos,
Truth be told, if it weren't for Las Vegas' endless patience and endless good wishes, I am not sure I would still be on this thread.
As I mentioned, so many guys have been really nice to me.
I am just happy someone asks me things that I can actually answer and then learn from.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I am glad the paintings stirred up some new conversation and a few new topics.
I am even glad you liked the paintings. Who knows, one day we will even get Herne on our side.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I must profess my ignorance. I don't know what Camera Obscura is.
I just looked at a photo and changed what I didn't like.
Just an idiot with a brush.
Harley
Camera Obscura is the use of light on something to project an image on a canvas (when done for art), and it was used as a tool by many of the greatest artists. But I'm not sure if it could be done with a picture, anyway, so it probably didn't make sense for me to ask it.
You have talent, my friend. You shouldn't stop painting, no matter what.
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Dear Las Vegas,
The styles in 8 and 9 were a result of me wanting to try something new. I mean, how many landscaped can one man paint (remember, I am no Bob Ross)?
I wanted to see if I could paint things that looked like the pictures I was looking at. I was very good at drawing when I was a kid but never did anything with it.
I took it upon myself to divide up the canvas and very carefully sketch, with pencil where I wanted to go. I then changed brushes and strokes and over time, was able
to become a bit more concise in the movements. Of course, there were some buildings I left out and painting them into green grass as it became quite tedious over time.
That type of painting is not always as much fun.
"The House" is actually what I call "A Snow Day." I always tell my Mom that I can't wait to get snowed in so I don't have to go out to court or have clients call. I can sleep a
bit longer, watch television and drink hot chocolate all day. Yes, I am admitting all this as I promised to always do in order to best explain myself. I wanted to paint as serene a
picture I could and Thomas Kinkade had a wonderful way of doing that. He inspired that one. That one is perhaps my favorite.
Harley
I really have to say, you more than managed to one-up Bob, though. His first art instructor advised him to stick with nature scenes and simple buildings (his cabins), because it was obvious that he was terrible at painting people.
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There was an old guy on Public TV who had Bob's technique down cold, to the slapping of the brush in the coffee can, while Bob was still in the military. Bob lifted every move from the dude, and that's how he turned his "hippy painter" routine into a multi-million dollar business.
He was open about it, and he advised everyone that if they see someone doing something better than themselves, not to get mad about it -- just copy it.
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Hey Guys,
I am glad the paintings stirred up some new conversation and a few new topics.
I am even glad you liked the paintings. Who knows, one day we will even get Herne on our side.
Harley
Check Irongimp400's post, you interested in being hired for paintings?
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Hey Guys,
I am glad the paintings stirred up some new conversation and a few new topics.
I am even glad you liked the paintings. Who knows, one day we will even get Herne on our side.
Harley
Dude, what is with your ridiculous Herne obsession? Because he Googles hot chicks, just this?
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Dear Guyincognito,
Canpolat, the Defendant, behaved with a mindset as if he didn't care about anything but getting back to "my country" (Turkey). He was uneducated,
moved by popular culture, unread, and lacking all desire to better himself.
He never once showed remorse even during his plea and sentencing. It was an easy case for me as he himself didn't care too much what happened to
him or anyone else. It's hard to get vested when the client himself couldn't care less. The tattoo under his eye was also a sign to me (it was in Japanese)
that his main influences were MTV and social media.
During the case, he tattooed his hands which is just what a jury loves to see.
Harley
Religion of peace ::)
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This bitch isn't halle berry >:( >:( >:( :P
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Dear Wes,
Well, the next portrait may take some "artistic license" and find me with the following:
1) The face and waist of Francis Benfatto
2) The abs of John Hnatyshack
3) The bicep peak and quad striations of Paul Jean Guillaume
And one of Herne's favorites adoring me.
Now that would be a perfect me!!!
Harley
It would certainly be a perfect me also Harley!!
We can all at least dream right? ;)
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He doesn't care about guilt or innocence, or whom his "clients" have hurt, just about money. He would have undercut Judas. Should buy a chin implant though.
Dickhead Of Peace
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Dude, what is with your ridiculous Herne obsession? Because he Googles hot chicks, just this?
Too many "chicks" with dicks, though.
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fyi for anyone who doesn't know: many of the old paintings from famous artists were done using this, and it requires very real talent.
How did you come to know so much about art? It's not a subject that gets much play in our culture nowadays. I know I'm clueless.
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Pretty sure Harley doesn't need an online bodyguard, penislust. ::)
I noticed you deleted my response to this post. Why? Because I point out the obvious. I am allowed to reply to an attack on me. I will repost my reply (which I retrieved by back paging) and take a screen shot and will go to Ron if you continue to abuse your mod privileges.
As the worse and most unqualified mod ever on GetBig you just can't let one of the few civil and decent threads continue without throwing your cowardly spit balls and trying to start drama. There are dozens of active threads here that you can ruin. Please, for once, just leave this one alone.
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Dear Guyincognito,
Canpolat, the Defendant, behaved with a mindset as if he didn't care about anything but getting back to "my country" (Turkey). He was uneducated,
moved by popular culture, unread, and lacking all desire to better himself.
He never once showed remorse even during his plea and sentencing. It was an easy case for me as he himself didn't care too much what happened to
him or anyone else. It's hard to get vested when the client himself couldn't care less. The tattoo under his eye was also a sign to me (it was in Japanese)
that his main influences were MTV and social media.
During the case, he tattooed his hands which is just what a jury loves to see.
Harley
Thank you for expanding on your original post. Some people just want to watch the world burn I guess.
You're an interesting guy, Harvey. It's fun following this thread. I wish I had half of your drive and thirst for learning.
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I noticed you deleted my response to this post. Why? Because I point out the obvious. I am allowed to reply to an attack on me. I will repost my reply (which I retrieved by back paging) and take a screen shot and will go to Ron if you continue to abuse your mod privileges.
Your post wasn't deleted you whiny twat, you're trying to sidetrack this thread with your personal vendetta against me.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=587563.msg8316354#new
Here's Rons profile, run along and snitch now...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=2389
Want his phone number too?
*I'll be removing your (pellius) post as well as this one.
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Your post wasn't deleted you whiny twat, you're trying to sidetrack this thread with your personal vendetta against me.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=587563.msg8316354#new
Here's Rons profile, run along and snitch now...
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=2389
Want his phone number too?
*I'll be removing your (pellius) post as well as this one.
And if it wasn't deleted then why is it gone from this thread?
I am responding to your attack on me.
You call it snitching because you don't like it but you are abusing your mod privileges.
And yes I do want his phone number.
BTW, why do you want to delete this post as well? What are you afraid of?
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And if it wasn't deleted then why is it gone from this thread?
I am responding to you attack on me.
You call it snitching because you don't like it but you are abusing your mod privileges.
And yes I do want his phone number.
BTW, why do you want to delete this thread as well? What are you afraid of?
Wasn't deleted, split into a new topic, hence the link, genius. ::) Hardly an attack, simply pointed out Harley doesn't need you speaking for him. I never said I wanted to delete this thread, are you high?
And I would never, ever give someone as low as you Ronaldos phone number!
Penislust.
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Wasn't deleted, split into a new topic, hence the link, genius. ::) Hardly an attack, simply pointed out Harley doesn't need you speaking for him. I never said I wanted to delete this thread, are you high?
And I would never, ever give someone as low as you Ronaldos phone number!
Penislust.
You asked if I wanted Ron's number. I said yes. Why did you ask if you never intended to do that.
Ask Harley if he thinks I am trying to side track this thread. If anybody is, it's Olympiagym whose its constantly attacking Harley. He has some issue with an injustice done to a person named Dennis. I asked Olympia what his issue is. Who is Dennis? Why isn't he sidetracking this thread? Then make an insulting comment to me to which I responded. I RESPONDED. And now it's a personal vendetta against you. Again, you addressed me. Always throwing your little spitballs and then YOU become the whiny bitch and abuse your mod privileges removing my post from this thread because you don't want anybody to see it. Pointing out once again how, you, under the protection of being a mod, constantly stir up trouble.
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:D :D
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Jesus, so much tween drama.
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Wasn't deleted, split into a new topic, hence the link, genius. ::) Hardly an attack, simply pointed out Harley doesn't need you speaking for him. I never said I wanted to delete this thread, are you high?
And I would never, ever give someone as low as you Ronaldos phone number!
Penislust.
I misspoke, I meant delete my post not this thread. I will correct that.
In regard to Olympiagym I was speaking for myself. I want to know why he has such a hard on for Harley and who is this Dennis that he keeps mentioning that was given an injustice. I'm sure others want to know too.
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Dear Chaos and Pellius,
You are 2 of my favorite guys so please, let's shake hands and continue eating from the same table.
Plenty of room here for smart, sensitive and loyal guys.
We are all bound to butt heads (no homo - you see, I am learning) sometimes.
Now that the shouting is over, let's get into some kool stuff.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I am reading through the Discovery (all of the evidence the State procures to which a Defendant is entitled to a copy as long as he pays for it)
pertaining to a client of mine who is recently out of prison on parole.
His Driver's License is suspended and he is driving like a maniac with his friend and his GF of 2 weeks both in the car.
Well, the cops attempt to pull him over and he stops but then flees on foot. His GF, of Spanish descent, tells the cops the driver's name
and the city in which he lives. The car is searched with the other 2 people still in it and there is marijuana, some plastic bags, an Aquafina Water Bottle
with a fake middle compartment to conceal items and 2 silver digital scales with "Thug for Life" and an image of Tupac Shakur imprinted on them all found in the car.
My client is soon caught on foot and consequently arrested.
You often hear that 'criminals are smart." I've rarely ever found this to be true.
My client, a well-spoken 26 year old of Arabic descent was just released from prison and decides to act in this way.
It often puzzles me.
Harley
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Me at the Vietnam Wall. Very moving to be there.
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A Ferrari Rally years ago which went from NYC to Washington, DC
The gray car was mine. That was my first one.
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Royler Gracie, Me & Royce Gracie going to eat after a Seminar
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My Beloved Bruno.
We are very lucky to have a pet who loves us unconditionally. Their passing will always hurt.
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Dear CaptainFreedom,
I was in France when I was 17 along with a friend and I didn't much care for it.
In fact, my American Flag, Vietnam Pin telling them we had to clean up their shit didn't go over well at the sidewalk café.
The site at Normandy is a tribute to the bravery of men and an indictment against the needless savagery of our species.
Your dog is simply gorgeous!!!!
Harley
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Regardless of how much we know of our mistakes we are a species that will continue to make the very same mistakes until we are extinct.
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You asked if I wanted Ron's number. I said yes. Why did you ask if you never intended to do that.
Ask Harley if he thinks I am trying to side track this thread. If anybody is, it's Olympiagym whose its constantly attacking Harley. He has some issue with an injustice done to a person named Dennis. I asked Olympia what his issue is. Who is Dennis? Why isn't he sidetracking this thread? Then make an insulting comment to me to which I responded. I RESPONDED. And now it's a personal vendetta against you. Again, you addressed me. Always throwing your little spitballs and then YOU become the whiny bitch and abuse your mod privileges removing my post from this thread because you don't want anybody to see it. Pointing out once again how, you, under the protection of being a mod, constantly stir up trouble.
Dry your tears, penislust, I assured Harley that I wouldn't pull this shit into his thread. OlympiaGym is on the radar after several complaints. And I'm still waiting for an answer from Harley about being commissioned for a painting.
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Hey Guys,
I am quite surprised and flattered that I was asked to paint a picture but I'm not yet comfortable with that idea.
I really don't take painting seriously and don't do it on a very regular basis. Also, I would not take money from
people on GetBig.
Let me say thanks, and let me paint some more and if I feel more comfortable, I can always give it a try.
One other aspect that might be hard to explain, is that whatever I seem to paint has some visceral inspiration which comes
from within me. I would worry whether or not I could muster that up for someone else's ideal for a painting.
But I remain extremely flattered.
Sincerely,
Harley
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Harley, it looks like you're using the resize method to upload the standard way. That's good, but make sure you add a number or GB or something else in the filename field before you save it. Otherwise the original size will be lost forever.
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It is.
Nice work, Harley.
You were at Rutgers when their philosophy department was building up serious facultorial currency, which ultimately led to its recognized prestige and dominance.
Nice find, KNS.
The guy who was listed as the executor of Vermeer's estate, also happened to be a lens-designer/grinder in Vermeer's home town.
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You guys sure are good at research as I actually do have a degree from Rutgers College in Philosophy.
I never met the guy in the photo though.
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How did you come to know so much about art? It's not a subject that gets much play in our culture nowadays. I know I'm clueless.
I'm clueless with it, too. Something about the C.O. is just so strange, though, since it remains almost a complete unknown with most people.
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Thank you, yes, this is exactly what it demonstrated to me also. I greatly appreciated that the French ensured that every single one of those sites was immaculate though, including the German, American and British. The sea of white crosses showed me that the human cost of war is something that cannot be quantified, and rarely justified. I remember clearly standing at one grave with a 20 year old friend of mine, reading a message that said "As sure as night will turn to day, you're in my thoughts each night i pray: a devastated mother."
Less than a year later that 20 year old beside me was killed in Afghanistan.
Heavy, heavy stuff. Wow.
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The Vette is coming along
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Hey Guys,
I've been careful to avoid political issues because I have no desire to debate or attempt to convince anyone of anything in which they
do not believe but I thought I might offer this up:
I know for sure that immediately after the Twin Towers went down on 9/11, there were Arabs dancing in the streets of Paterson, N.J.
If there is any interest and we can avoid nasty dialogue, I would be willing to recount the facts.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I've been careful to avoid political issues because I have no desire to debate or attempt to convince anyone of anything in which they
do not believe but I thought I might offer this up:
I know for sure that immediately after the Twin Towers went down on 9/11, there were Arabs idiots dancing in the streets of Paterson, N.J.
If there is any interest and we can avoid nasty dialogue, I would be willing to recount the facts.
Harley
Idiots, everywhere. Like Settlers dancing when another orange grove has been demolished. :'(
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The Vette is coming along
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=660539;image)
Reflex looks good, H. Great choice.
What is that on the tire? It looks like something hanging down with a spring clamp, but maybe I'm seeing it wrong.
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Dear Las Vegas,
The tire is brand new so it's just a piece of tape or something.
We put them on so we could start building the rest of it and getting it all fixed.
The Vette has a 3:90 gear in the rear while the Chevelle has a 4:10 gear in the rear.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I've been careful to avoid political issues because I have no desire to debate or attempt to convince anyone of anything in which they
do not believe but I thought I might offer this up:
I know for sure that immediately after the Twin Towers went down on 9/11, there were Arabs dancing in the streets of Paterson, N.J.
If there is any interest and we can avoid nasty dialogue, I would be willing to recount the facts.
Harley
I don't think anybody has been convince to change their position in any debate here if they are dead set in their world view. But there are a ton of fence sitters who are simply not aware of the arguments involved or some that may have a position but also is unaware of some of the complexities involved.
Many people support banning guns because of the simply argument that if you get rid of guns there will be no more shootings. And of course that's true. But once they understand that this will never ever happen and give factual arguments why then it puts a different perspective on it.
I remember debating with a person about guns after the shootout in a building in San Fran back in early 1990s. My brother was in that building. He quoted Diane Feinstein who said that this isn't the wild west. She doesn't want shoot outs in her State. When I told him that if the choice is between a "shoot out", good guys trading bullets with bad guys, or a complete slaughter where only the bad guys have the guns (which will always be the case) shooting at unarmed innocents as happened in San Fran, which would you choose?
This completely changed his perspective. Often in life the choice isn't between good and bad but between bad and worse.
Debates on any issues gives one an idea on that individual person's world view and thinking process.
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I don't think anybody has been convince to change their position in any debate here if they are dead set in their world view. But there are a ton of fence sitters who are simply not aware of the arguments involved or some that may have a position but also is unaware of some of the complexities involved.
Many people support banning guns because of the simply argument that if you get rid of guns there will be no more shootings. And of course that's true. But once they understand that this will never ever happen and give factual arguments why then it puts a different perspective on it.
I remember debating with a person about guns after the shootout in a building in San Fran back in early 1990s. My brother was in that building. He quoted Diane Feinstein who said that this isn't the wild west. She doesn't want shoot outs in her State. When I told him that if the choice is between a "shoot out", good guys trading bullets with bad guys, or a complete slaughter where only the bad guys have the guns (which will always be the case) shooting at unarmed innocents as happened in San Fran, which would you choose?
This completely changed his perspective. Often in life the choice isn't between good and bad but between bad and worse.
Debates on any issues gives one an idea on that individual person's world view and thinking process.
Meltdown.
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I don't think anybody has been convince to change their position in any debate here if they are dead set in their world view. But there are a ton of fence sitters who are simply not aware of the arguments involved or some that may have a position but also is unaware of some of the complexities involved.
Many people support banning guns because of the simply argument that if you get rid of guns there will be no more shootings. And of course that's true. But once they understand that this will never ever happen and give factual arguments why then it puts a different perspective on it.
I remember debating with a person about guns after the shootout in a building in San Fran back in early 1990s. My brother was in that building. He quoted Diane Feinstein who said that this isn't the wild west. She doesn't want shoot outs in her State. When I told him that if the choice is between a "shoot out", good guys trading bullets with bad guys, or a complete slaughter where only the bad guys have the guns (which will always be the case) shooting at unarmed innocents as happened in San Fran, which would you choose?
This completely changed his perspective. Often in life the choice isn't between good and bad but between bad and worse.
Debates on any issues gives one an idea on that individual person's world view and thinking process.
I would have no problem with gun bans when people like Diane Feinstein and those of her ilk including the president, celebs, other politicians and elites are willing to not have their bodyguards armed.
Why should they be allowed protection while the taxpayers aren't in their view?
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I would have no problem with gun bans when people like Diane Feinstein and those of her ilk including the president, celebs, other politicians and elites are willing to not have their bodyguards armed.
Why should they be allowed protection while the taxpayers aren't in their view?
Not me. Just because some policies or laws are unfairly enforced doesn't meet we should get rid of the policy or laws but to have them applied fairly.
It's like when some make the argument that Blacks are disproportionately sent to prison for committing crimes than Whites are for committing the same crime. Even if that is true that doesn't mean that we should go easy on Black criminals or release them. It just means we have to tighten enforcement on Whites.
BTW, I don't think there is a bias in our justice system against race but rather income makes a much bigger difference. A rich man will always have a better chance in our court system as oppose to a poor man regardless of race.
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Meltdown.
STFU already with that "meltdown" shiit. Any post longer than two sentence is a meltdown to you regardless of the anger projected.
Seriously, as so many have said, since you started drinking again you're reverting back to your old annoying self with no credibility on this board, a bodybuilding board.
Stop drinking, lose some weight and pick up a barbell for once in your life.
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STFU already with that "meltdown" shiit. Any post longer than two sentence is a meltdown to you regardless of the anger projected.
Seriously, as so many have said, since you started drinking again you're reverting back to your old annoying self with no credibility on this board, a bodybuilding board.
Stop drinking, lose some weight and pick up a barbell for once in your life.
My work is done here.
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Dear Dr.Chimps,
I was hesitant to show my office as you guys can be pretty darn hard but that side of it is less bombastic than the others.
Chaplin was one of the few true geniuses to ever spend time in Hollywood.
Harley
Chaplin & Buster Keaton truly were geniuses. Can watch their movies over & over
(http://www.museidivarese.it/images/foto/chaplin-keaton.jpg)
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Dear Las Vegas,
The tire is brand new so it's just a piece of tape or something.
We put them on so we could start building the rest of it and getting it all fixed.
The Vette has a 3:90 gear in the rear while the Chevelle has a 4:10 gear in the rear.
Harley
Harley, it's to the right of that in the picture. Maybe next time you're with the car, you can look at it up close. It makes me wonder what it is, but I'm probably not seeing it right.
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Harley, it's to the right of that in the picture. Maybe next time you're with the car, you can look at it up close. It makes me wonder what it is, but I'm probably not seeing it right.
It's wiring coming down from the undercarriage. Probably wiring for the tail lights.
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It's wiring coming down from the undercarriage. Probably wiring for the tail lights.
Yes, I'd say so. It gives an odd effect to the tire tread in the picture, is all.
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Yes, that is just some plastic wiring hanging down from the other side of the car. The car should be on the ground
this weekend and by the end of next week I should have some much better pictures.
The rear tires on the Vette and the Chevelle are 33 x 21 x 50 and the rear tires on the Nova are 33 x 18 x 50.
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Yah, I got a better look at picture. Seemed like something was missing from the tread, that's why I knew I wasn't seeing it right.
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I have told The Builder that I have to have the Trans Am, Corvette and Chevelle delivered to me by April 15th.
There is no doubt that the TA and Vette will be done but the Chevelle by then may be cutting it a bit close.
The Nova, well that this the show stopper so I would be lucky if that arrived by October 15th next year.
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Chaplin & Buster Keaton truly were geniuses. Can watch their movies over & over
(http://www.museidivarese.it/images/foto/chaplin-keaton.jpg)
I appreciate Chaplin for the genius he was, but I absolutely love Keaton for what he tried to portray. I'm not in Harley's league, but I have a triptych of Keaton cigarette cards in my bedroom, as well as a lobby (repro) card of The General in the bedroom. Love Keaton. Ladyfriend is ambivalent. :-\
/oh, and that pic is dusted. keaton aged badly, but that pic is not coeval. coogan has been replaced.
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Dear Dr. Chimps,
Please don't get the wrong idea. The 3-Sheet of Chaplin's "The Kid" in my office is a reproduction which cost me $300.
The real version of that poster (I've collected classic movie posters for almost 20 years, even selling to Kirk Hammond of Metallica)
would probably run around $150,000. I am not sure I would enjoy owning the real one for fear it gets destroyed. However, if I were a
billionaire, I might want to give it a shot along with a wide array of other movie posters. That idea takes up some great fantasy time in
my head.
Harley
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Dear Dr. Chimps,
Please don't get the wrong idea. The 3-Sheet of Chaplin's "The Kid" in my office is a reproduction which cost me $300.
The real version of that poster (I've collected classic movie posters for almost 20 years, even selling to Kirk Hammond of Metallica)
would probably run around $150,000. I am not sure I would enjoy owning the real one for fear it gets destroyed. However, if I were a
billionaire, I might want to give it a shot along with a wide array of other movie posters. That idea takes up some great fantasy time in
my head.
Harley
Horror, right?
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Dear The Ugly,
Yes, Kirk has one of the most impressive collections of horror and sci-fi film posters in the world, especially Lobby Cards (11 x 14 inch cards
usually 8 to a movie, which were displayed 4 on each side of the lobby as you walked through the theater to your seats after purchasing the tickets).
I, at one time, had amassed the world's largest Abbott and Costello movie poster collection. Given that most of it sat, sight unseen in a storage room
(who has a house big enough for all of them to be seen, not me) I one day decided that these items should be enjoyed and not tucked away by some collector
never to be seen. I sold the overwhelming majority of the posters including an Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein 6 Sheet (81 inches by 81 inches) which is
the only known copy to exist. I made the buyer promise he would display it and he did. Jim Gresham is his name and he published a book of his world famous
poster collection and that piece is pictured in his book.
About 2 years ago, I sold my Casablanca 1-Sheet (27 inches x 41 inches which is the poster you would see in the display glass outside the entrance of a theatre).
I once had to sell, in one day, a The Roaring Twenties and The Maltese Falcon 1-Sheets. My Dad had an emergency and I had to raise money in a day without telling him
so this guy in Ohio bought them and promised me first option in a trade or sell should he ever get rid of them. He immediately traded them to a guy in NJ and never told me.
Funny story.
Harley
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Chevy Apache!
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Dear The Ugly,
Yes, Kirk has one of the most impressive collections of horror and sci-fi film posters in the world, especially Lobby Cards (11 x 14 inch cards
usually 8 to a movie, which were displayed 4 on each side of the lobby as you walked through the theater to your seats after purchasing the tickets).
I, at one time, had amassed the world's largest Abbott and Costello movie poster collection. Given that most of it sat, sight unseen in a storage room
(who has a house big enough for all of them to be seen, not me) I one day decided that these items should be enjoyed and not tucked away by some collector
never to be seen. I sold the overwhelming majority of the posters including an Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein 6 Sheet (81 inches by 81 inches) which is
the only known copy to exist. I made the buyer promise he would display it and he did. Jim Gresham is his name and he published a book of his world famous
poster collection and that piece is pictured in his book.
About 2 years ago, I sold my Casablanca 1-Sheet (27 inches x 41 inches which is the poster you would see in the display glass outside the entrance of a theatre).
I once had to sell, in one day, a The Roaring Twenties and The Maltese Falcon 1-Sheets. My Dad had an emergency and I had to raise money in a day without telling him
so this guy in Ohio bought them and promised me first option in a trade or sell should he ever get rid of them. He immediately traded them to a guy in NJ and never told me.
Funny story.
Harley
That was probably his plan. What a snake.
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Crazy Beautiful
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(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d6/71/a9/d671a9a790c4bd8e0be250e6005d95fe.jpg)
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Nice
(http://www.schokonet.de/bilder/biebesheim2001/full/70er_charger_sw_seite.jpg)
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70 Sub Damn Nice! :o
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66
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1960 El Camino. Rare!!!
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Right-click to 'view image' at reg size on all or most of those pics with Windows (then left click on it for full size).
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1954 Corvette Roadster with Bubbletop
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Classic Suburban for the right measure.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Those are some very modified rides. My preference leans a bit away from the Pro Touring style.
I am sure you would also appreciate the aesthetics of the Lambo Miura and the 1970 Maserati Ghibli..
Harley
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A Favor:
Hey Guys,
I am trying to find a copy of the 2016 IFBB schedule of contests, including the 212 contests.
Believe it or not, I did Google and after half an hour just couldn't find a site which had the list, dates, locations and classes.
I appreciate any help you might offer.
Thank you.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Those are some very modified rides. My preference leans a bit away from the Pro Touring style.
I am sure you would also appreciate the aesthetics of the Lambo Miura and the 1970 Maserati Ghibli..
Harley
Nice sports cars, Harley!
(https://www.classicdriver.com/sites/default/files/cars_images/img_4067_4.jpg)
Must have sold a few of these in America. They can still be seen on the streets.
(http://momentcar.com/images/1970-ghibli-1.jpg)
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Harley, is this what you're looking for??
http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2016/calendar/calendar.pdf
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This guy was driving a Miura, but he didn't have an extinguisher in it.
(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1818518.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/The-Lamborghini-Miura-which-was-burnt-to-the-ground.png)
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(http://www.gatedsix.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/lamborghini-miura-11.jpg)
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This guy was driving a Miura, but he didn't have an extinguisher in it.
(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1818518.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/The-Lamborghini-Miura-which-was-burnt-to-the-ground.png)
oh fuck my heart is bleeding...miura ia a really nuce designed car. The countach was more fit for the 80s and had a futuristic design when it came but the miura is much more timeless
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks so much for the IFBB schedule.
I suspect Craig will do the 212 NY Pro, Puerto Rico and then Toronto given they are all consecutive weekends.
Harley
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oh fuck my heart is bleeding...miura ia a really nuce designed car. The countach was more fit for the 80s and had a futuristic design when it came but the miura is much more timeless
X2. The Miura stands up, but the Countach has taken a "clunky" look.
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I wonder how those new spaceship-looking Bugattis will hold up. Right now they look like something from another dimension.
Is it an angular design that wears down, while a rounded one holds up?
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks so much for the IFBB schedule.
I suspect Craig will do the 212 NY Pro, Puerto Rico and then Toronto given they are all consecutive weekends.
Harley
I bet he stands a chance to do very, very well in any of those.
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We painted the underside of the Stinger Hood which I don't know that I've seen before.
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Nice detail.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=578368.0;attach=656593;image)
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Dear Las Vegas,
The tire is brand new so it's just a piece of tape or something.
We put them on so we could start building the rest of it and getting it all fixed.
The Vette has a 3:90 gear in the rear while the Chevelle has a 4:10 gear in the rear.
Harley
Harley, what thoughts did you go through to arrive at these ratios for the cars? What are your complete plans for their use (the cars)?
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I changed to 3.73 gears from 2.73 when I had my Camaro back in the day. Night and fucking day for daily driving performance. I got more out of that than most of the bolt-ons...
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Harley, what thoughts did you go through to arrive at these ratios for the cars? What are your complete plans for their use (the cars)?
Dear Las Vegas,
The gear ratios were selected with the idea that these cars would not be museum pieces sitting in garages but rather, cars to be
driven and enjoyed on a regular basis.
The Pro Street tires actually lower the final gear ration a bit too.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
The below link should rile a few of you up.
My Muslim client who went off on a Jewish synagogue (the one in which I learned to read and write Hebrew as a young boy)
went to court today for the last time.
I am sure you won't all agree with the result.
Harley
http://newjersey.news12.com/news/synagogue-firecracker-suspect-rizek-musheisen-gets-pretrial-intervention-1.11220262
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Can you explain what exactly a "pre-trial" intervention is and what it means in regards to the potential outcome of the case?
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Hey Guys,
The below link should rile a few of you up.
My Muslim client who went off on a Jewish synagogue (the one in which I learned to read and write Hebrew as a young boy)
went to court today for the last time.
I am sure you won't all agree with the result.
Harley
http://newjersey.news12.com/news/synagogue-firecracker-suspect-rizek-musheisen-gets-pretrial-intervention-1.11220262
Should've poisoned the fuck with tainted tea. 'Innocent until proven guilty'/'Everyone deserves a competent defense ' is the bigget fucking sham perpetuated by the justice system.
Some need to just be taken out behind the courthouse and riddled with pigblood bullets.
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Should've poisoned the fuck with tainted tea. 'Innocent until proven guilty'/'Everyone deserves a competent defense ' is the bigget funking sham perpetuated by the justice system.
Some need to just be taken out behind the courthouse and riddled with pigblood bullets.
No, it's actually the basis for the greatest judicial system on the planet.
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No, it's actually the basis for the greatest judicial system on the planet.
x2!
Some people just have no clue.
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Hi Harley, how is your injury coming along?
Best wishes
Taf
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Harley,
If you could start over, would you still choose to be a lawyer, or do you ever regret not pursuing another career?
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Can you explain what exactly a "pre-trial" intervention is and what it means in regards to the potential outcome of the case?
Dear TuHolmes,
The PTI is exactly what that running back, Ray Rice, from the Baltimore Ravens received.
My Client is on probation for 18 months. He has to do 20 hours of community service and pay a $125 fine. Once he pays the fine
and completes his probation, the charge is dismissed and he has NO criminal record whatsoever.
PTI can be up to 3 years and 75 hours of community service.
Harley
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Hi Harley, how is your injury coming along?
Best wishes
Taf
Dear Taffin,
Thanks for asking. My injury is still with me. I am hoping another 4 weeks to go before I can get back to training.
It really taught me a most valuable lesson that I can't be the recipient of "contact" in my MMA training while I attempt
to lose this weight.
Harley
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Dear TuHolmes,
The PTI is exactly what that running back, Ray Rice, from the Baltimore Ravens received.
My Client is on probation for 18 months. He has to do 20 hours of community service and pay a $125 fine. Once he pays the fine
and completes his probation, the charge is dismissed and he has NO criminal record whatsoever.
PTI can be up to 3 years and 75 hours of community service.
Harley
Ah. Got it.
So this happens before any guilt or innocence is determined?
Thanks as always for the responses.
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My client never admitted guilt to anything and entered the PTI program.
When he completes it, he will have no criminal record.
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My client never admitted guilt to anything and entered the PTI program.
When he completes it, he will have no criminal record.
Does the court see it as a guilty verdict or no verdict at all?
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It is absolutely no verdict, no conviction, no admission, just nothing at all.
It's as if he just walked into the PTI off the street.
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Harley, I'm nowhere near being an automotive fan, nor am I interested in politics, nor the law ....but I am an avid, continuous reader .... and I am really enjoying your grandfather's book.
Thanks for the recommendation many pages ago.
When will you be back in LV?
Stunt
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It is absolutely no verdict, no conviction, no admission, just nothing at all.
It's as if he just walked into the PTI off the street.
Interesting.
Thanks for the information.
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Dear Las Vegas,
The gear ratios were selected with the idea that these cars would not be museum pieces sitting in garages but rather, cars to be
driven and enjoyed on a regular basis.
The Pro Street tires actually lower the final gear ration a bit too.
Harley
Yes, gotta live it up a little while there's a chance to do that.
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Dear Harley,
Any thoughts on the Aldo lost? Or maybe I should say the McGregor victory.
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Hey Guys,
The below link should rile a few of you up.
My Muslim client who went off on a Jewish synagogue (the one in which I learned to read and write Hebrew as a young boy)
went to court today for the last time.
I am sure you won't all agree with the result.
Harley
http://newjersey.news12.com/news/synagogue-firecracker-suspect-rizek-musheisen-gets-pretrial-intervention-1.11220262
It would be dumb for someone to do what this guy was accused of, but that's about the extent of it IMO. He's a young person who got accused of doing something stupid, and it isn't doing anyone any good to try to "protect" peoples' feelings against his stupidity.
Busting him for the illegal fireworks makes sense, but taking it any further than that without very clear reason isn't right IMO.
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Bump.
Seasons greetings Harley! Do you take a break at all this time of year? Or are your talents still in demand?... :)
Taf
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It is absolutely no verdict, no conviction, no admission, just nothing at all.
It's as if he just walked into the PTI off the street.
Will Big Brother do ANYTHING to keep an eye on someone like this though? ???
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Hey Guys,
I apologize for my absence. I intend to use today and tomorrow to catch up and answer all of your questions.
And as to the Connor win, ugh.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Last week we had the Harley's Kids' Christmas Party and over 200 special persons attended.
There was plenty of pizza, dancing, special balloons for each kid. Also, each left with a framed photo of themselves
and as many toys as they could carry.
Harley
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Some of the toys from the Kids' Party
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Harley,
If you could start over, would you still choose to be a lawyer, or do you ever regret not pursuing another career?
Dear Shizzo,
That is truly a great question. It is perhaps the biggest question we can ask ourselves.
I am ambivalent on how to answer so I will put it all out there in an honest fashion.
At times, I wish I had gone to medical school like my father. Lawyers receive no respect from those outside their profession
and certainly none from within. I may be recognized as many things in my capacity as a lawyer, but hardly ever as "smart." I
think a large part of my ego is bothered by that. Doctors are recognized as being far more intelligent than most others (demeanor aside)
and I feel a bit jaded that I have not earned that recognition. I also believe that had I become a doctor, my clients (patients) would be
far more appreciative than my legal clients. I know that I would be helping people every day and that is important to me. I also know that
my hours would be far less than the 60 - 70 I work now.
I know I would have enjoyed being an Emergency Medical Technician and driving around in an ambulance and responding to people in need.
Intellectually, I would have been disappointed but that type of job is both fun and rewarding.
I would like to have run a major center for mentally challenged people in order to improve their lives. As a big shot CEO of some company that
helps people like that, I could make real changes for many people.
I also think that I could do very well in a marketing/athlete research position for the UFC.
However, in the end, I can't really complain. My natural talent took me to where I could use as much of it as possible. I am a Criminal Defense
Trial Attorney. Every once in a while, I actually help an innocent person. I fuck with the government every day. I make a decent living. I don't
break my back. All in all, I landed where I should've landed.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
Any thoughts on the Aldo lost? Or maybe I should say the McGregor victory.
Dear Pellius,
That fight troubles me. Did he really get in Aldo's head? Does getting caught by a punch in 13 seconds really mean you are inferior to your opponent?
I think that there is still no real answer as to who is the better fighter. This is very much similar to the Weidman/Silva fights. I never once believed that
Weidman was better than Silva. For those who take the moment to analyze what happened in those 2 fights and leave your emotions at the door, there is
simply no reason to believe that the first fight was just a lucky punch facilitated by Silva's stupid tomfoolery and that the second fight proved absolutely nothing
given the horrific injury which was not caused by anything special Weidman did.
I will say that I admire Connor's self confidence. If I had a bit more of that, I would be dangerous too. I still couldn't beat Aldo though.
Harley
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Bump.
Seasons greetings Harley! Do you take a break at all this time of year? Or are your talents still in demand?... :)
Taf
Dear Taffin,
There is no rest for the weary. However, I am going to Switzerland to take care of some business. I hope to make Herne proud in 2016.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
That fight troubles me. Did he really get in Aldo's head? Does getting caught by a punch in 13 seconds really mean you are inferior to your opponent?
I think that there is still no real answer as to who is the better fighter. This is very much similar to the Weidman/Silva fights. I never once believed that
Weidman was better than Silva. For those who take the moment to analyze what happened in those 2 fights and leave your emotions at the door, there is
simply no reason to believe that the first fight was just a lucky punch facilitated by Silva's stupid tomfoolery and that the second fight proved absolutely nothing
given the horrific injury which was not caused by anything special Weidman did.
I will say that I admire Connor's self confidence. If I had a bit more of that, I would be dangerous too. I still couldn't beat Aldo though.
Harley
I am also very ambivalent about this fight as well. It's really almost inconceivable to me that Aldo would be intimidated or psyched out by McGregor. Aldo is a seasoned vet and the way he grew up and the obstacles and real hardships he has faced and overcome has made him a very hardened, resolute and even a bit grim warrior. To me, the psychological pressure would be on Connor. The way he built himself up, a lost would have been equal, if not greater, than RR's lost. He would have been dismissed as just another loud mouth. And the way he won couldn't have gone any better for him. A clean knockout in the first round just as he predicted.
If McGregor had any psychological effect on Aldo it would have been, not fear or self-doubt, but Aldo so wanting to destroy him that he went in over eager and exposed himself.
Any sitting champion that loses his title for whatever reason should get an immediate rematch. I always wished that Aldo used his world class ground game more and it would be the ideal strategy against McGregor. Why play to Connor's obvious stand up strength when Mendes proved he could be taken down and not mount much of a defense?
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Dear Taffin,
There is no rest for the weary. However, I am going to Switzerland to take care of some business. I hope to make Herne proud in 2016.
Harley
Dear Harley,
Nice to see you're still here, but I thought that phrase went, "no rest for the wicked"... ;)
Can you elaborate on your trip at all?
(And what is the deal with you and Herne...?)
Respectfully
Taf
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Dear Harley,
Nice to see you're still here, but I thought that phrase went, "no rest for the wicked"... ;)
Can you elaborate on your trip at all?
(And what is the deal with you and Herne...?)
Respectfully
Taf
Dear Taffin,
The phrase may have been tinkered with a bit as despite my profession, I don't generally consider myself wicked, but rather, tired.
Unfortunately, I am not able to elaborate on my trip to Switzerland.
The thing with me and Herne really isn't anything at all. He must be quite a character to invest so much time finding all those photos
and then putting them up on GetBig. Analyzing Herne is not something I am qualified to do as I know nothing about him nor am I a psychiatrist.
However, I am in some way indebted to Herne even though he came here once to profess how unimpressed he was with me and this thread.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
I agree that Aldo was not afraid, but rather, taken away from his game plan. He is a notoriously slow starter who can gas out in the later rounds.
Why on earth he attacked immediately as he did is somewhat confusing. And to his ground game, I've heard it is excellent but the fact that we
never see it executed against top notch guys makes me reserve on praising it. It's the same as they talk about Roy Nelson's ground game. Well, let
me see it against world class guys.
Also, there is BJJ and then there is MMA-BJJ. They are quite different.
I also find that the Brazilians are far less disciplined in their training and their ability to diet and make weight (Charles Oliveira didn't make weight last night
and the classic Renan Benao, Aldo's training partner, etc.). I think that once they achieve some success they lose their hunger as well. It is a different
culture than Mexico.
Harley
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Dear Shizzo,
That is truly a great question. It is perhaps the biggest question we can ask ourselves.
I am ambivalent on how to answer so I will put it all out there in an honest fashion.
At times, I wish I had gone to medical school like my father. Lawyers receive no respect from those outside their profession
and certainly none from within. I may be recognized as many things in my capacity as a lawyer, but hardly ever as "smart." I
think a large part of my ego is bothered by that. Doctors are recognized as being far more intelligent than most others (demeanor aside)
and I feel a bit jaded that I have not earned that recognition. I also believe that had I become a doctor, my clients (patients) would be
far more appreciative than my legal clients. I know that I would be helping people every day and that is important to me. I also know that
my hours would be far less than the 60 - 70 I work now.
I know I would have enjoyed being an Emergency Medical Technician and driving around in an ambulance and responding to people in need.
Intellectually, I would have been disappointed but that type of job is both fun and rewarding.
I would like to have run a major center for mentally challenged people in order to improve their lives. As a big shot CEO of some company that
helps people like that, I could make real changes for many people.
I also think that I could do very well in a marketing/athlete research position for the UFC.
However, in the end, I can't really complain. My natural talent took me to where I could use as much of it as possible. I am a Criminal Defense
Trial Attorney. Every once in a while, I actually help an innocent person. I fuck with the government every day. I make a decent living. I don't
break my back. All in all, I landed where I should've landed.
Harley
Funny story...
A doctor once told me just about the same stuff on the other end... about how his lawyer friends got to make money right out of school. Didn't have to bust their ass as hard.
And of course, no professional thinks they get enough respect. ;D
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Dear Pellius,
I agree that Aldo was not afraid, but rather, taken away from his game plan. He is a notoriously slow starter who can gas out in the later rounds.
Why on earth he attacked immediately as he did is somewhat confusing. And to his ground game, I've heard it is excellent but the fact that we
never see it executed against top notch guys makes me reserve on praising it. It's the same as they talk about Roy Nelson's ground game. Well, let
me see it against world class guys.
Also, there is BJJ and then there is MMA-BJJ. They are quite different.
I also find that the Brazilians are far less disciplined in their training and their ability to diet and make weight (Charles Oliveira didn't make weight last night
and the classic Renan Benao, Aldo's training partner, etc.). I think that once they achieve some success they lose their hunger as well. It is a different
culture than Mexico.
Harley
Yes, I think that he was more taken out of his game than afraid or intimidated.
As far as his Jiu-Jitsu, that's what he started out with and trained with the likes of Shaolin, Dantas, Robson Moura. He beat Cobrinha twice as a brown belt. He once mentioned that he didn't use his ground game much because the judges in the UFC, so he claimed, preferred the stand up and like to see knock outs, and since he was just as comfortable on his feet as on the ground he preferred to end it on his feet. But you're right tournament Jiu-Jitsu and MMA Jiu-Jitsu is very different. I don't think it is a coincidence that most (obvious not all) top of the top Jiu-Jitsu champs don't do well in MMA. Guys like Marcelo, Nino, Roger Gracie are just a few examples. Jacare, Werdum and Maia are notable exceptions but it hasn't been an easy road for any of them.
I wasn't aware of the complacency with Brasilians but I have notice that without exception, once their academies get successful, you see them around less and less. The only person I considered world class that I felt was lazy was Rigan Machado. Easily the laziest and most undisciplined world class Jiu-Jitsu figher ever. Such wasted talent.
Without even training I would see him tool guys like Pe de Pano and Monson when they was in his prime. Even Kerr was no match for him. But Rigan ended up placing third to Kerr and to Ricco Rodriguez (who wasn't even remotely close to Rigan on the mat) at the Abu Dhabi when it was actually held in Dubai. Of course his brother, Jean Jacques, another world champion, was simply no match for the larger and stronger Rigan.
He was good for one match. Then he gassed because he never really trained. Even for the Abu Dhabi he would just roll around with is students and rest when he got the slightest bit tired.
During his active years in Brasil he dominated his competition losing only to Rickson. But even then he was only eighteen at the time, not nearly as big as he would become (finally abandoned that "fruitarian" diet) and Rickson was in his pristine prime in his mid twenties.
I would be surprised if Aldo was getting soft and complacent. Actually, considering some of his fights he wasn't as dominating as he use to be then maybe. But I figured it was because the competition was getting better. But if anybody was going to motivate him it would McGregor. I think Connor was the only one that really got under his skin and that he wanted to destroy.
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Hey Guys,
I am in a real rut and feel as if I am not accomplishing much and that life is passing me by.
I decided to contact my Portuguese Professor and ask him if he would teach me to speak, read and write German.
I keep talking about learning more languages and really focusing on my piano studies and if I don't get to doing it,
I am going to be one of those guys who just talks about stuff and doesn't do anything.
It's not as if I don't have enough on my plate but I am feeling unsatisfied.
What do you guys do when you find yourselves dealing with the angst and free floating anxiety that comes with
realizing that we have but a limited amount of time and there are no guarantees for tomorrow?
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I am in a real rut and feel as if I am not accomplishing much and that life is passing me by.
I decided to contact my Portuguese Professor and ask him if he would teach me to speak, read and write German.
I keep talking about learning more languages and really focusing on my piano studies and if I don't get to doing it,
I am going to be one of those guys who just talks about stuff and doesn't do anything.
It's not as if I don't have enough on my plate but I am feeling unsatisfied.
What do you guys do when you find yourselves dealing with the angst and free floating anxiety that comes with
realizing that we have but a limited amount of time and there are no guarantees for tomorrow?
Harley
Harley, what is wrong?
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Hey Guys,
I am in a real rut and feel as if I am not accomplishing much and that life is passing me by.
I decided to contact my Portuguese Professor and ask him if he would teach me to speak, read and write German.
I keep talking about learning more languages and really focusing on my piano studies and if I don't get to doing it,
I am going to be one of those guys who just talks about stuff and doesn't do anything.
It's not as if I don't have enough on my plate but I am feeling unsatisfied.
What do you guys do when you find yourselves dealing with the angst and free floating anxiety that comes with
realizing that we have but a limited amount of time and there are no guarantees for tomorrow?
Harley
I'm going to contact my professor of German and ask him to teach me to speak, read, and write in Portuguese.
:D
Harley, you're like Dante's Ulysses (as opposed to Homer's Odysseus) in Canto 26 of Inferno, wanting to go on another journey - not feeling at-home in comfort, but itching to sail beyond the Pillars of Hercules - to break the boundaries of the known world. It's restless "curiositas" (as described by Hans Blumenberg). Don't worry about limited time: "Tho' much is taken, much abides" (Tennyson, of course). You'll be fine, just avoid the shipwreck.
Best,
Kahn
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Hey Guys,
I am in a real rut and feel as if I am not accomplishing much and that life is passing me by.
I decided to contact my Portuguese Professor and ask him if he would teach me to speak, read and write German.
I keep talking about learning more languages and really focusing on my piano studies and if I don't get to doing it,
I am going to be one of those guys who just talks about stuff and doesn't do anything.
It's not as if I don't have enough on my plate but I am feeling unsatisfied.
What do you guys do when you find yourselves dealing with the angst and free floating anxiety that comes with
realizing that we have but a limited amount of time and there are no guarantees for tomorrow?
Harley
I gave up on life. way easier to get through the day when you have zero goals to fail at.
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Hey Guys,
I am in a real rut and feel as if I am not accomplishing much and that life is passing me by.
I decided to contact my Portuguese Professor and ask him if he would teach me to speak, read and write German.
I keep talking about learning more languages and really focusing on my piano studies and if I don't get to doing it,
I am going to be one of those guys who just talks about stuff and doesn't do anything.
It's not as if I don't have enough on my plate but I am feeling unsatisfied.
What do you guys do when you find yourselves dealing with the angst and free floating anxiety that comes with
realizing that we have but a limited amount of time and there are no guarantees for tomorrow?
Harley
I do much like you.
I search for the next thing. I took guitar lessons years ago because of it. Took Japanese. Whatever to move me forward.
Just keep moving forward as best you can.
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Harley, what is wrong?
Dear SF1900,
I just get very down about not being able to lose weight and train. This liver injury is healing well but still precludes me
from getting in shape. There is something to me about getting in the gym and just blowing out the walls with intensity and doing
more weight on legs than should be possible. I'm 48 years old and there isn't one young kid in the gym who inspires me to train either
with his physique or gym work ethic. If these clowns spent less time on their phones WHILE training, then perhaps they might one day
see some results.
Also, not having anything to do with my religious beliefs, but Christmas time always finds me a bit depressed and cynical. How many commercials
need tell me just how late the stores will stay open in order to grab money from those who can least afford to frivolously shop? December is the most
expensive month of the year for me as almost everyone who helps me with my business has their hands out for a "gift." This "incentive" is given every
Christmas at least and always brings me back to asking, "Why don't people do what's right or best for another without having to receive something in
return?" I would prefer to see the "Christmas Spirit" translated into a mandatory visit with good, old friends over some inexpensive dinner and great talk.
In the end, the relationships we have are perhaps our best asset.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
For those of you who observe Christmas, I wish you all a wonderful day with family, friends, a television,
a couch for napping, lasagna, ravioli, one good glass of wine, Diet Coke and some chocolate/peanut butter dessert.
For the rest of you, I wish you basically the same except without the annoying relatives.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
Happy holidays. Hope all is as well as can be, considering your recent setbacks.
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Dear Neither Animal,
I technically have 10 days to the day I had set my goal. I am feeling much better but not yet 100%.
As I get ready to do an hour of cardio right now, I chew off a bit of positive thinking and say, "I will get there."
Thanks for the well wishes and I hope you are having a great day of relaxing and eating.
Harley
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ironmeister could add a few more to the pic lol
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Hey Guys,
For those of you who observe Christmas, I wish you all a wonderful day with family, friends, a television,
a couch for napping, lasagna, ravioli, one good glass of wine, Diet Coke and some chocolate/peanut butter dessert.
For the rest of you, I wish you basically the same except without the annoying relatives.
Harley
Same to you, Harley. The lasagna part sounds damn good! ;D
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Dear Las Vegas,
No lasagna here. I had a piece of fish and a few spoons of soup and now off to do my second hour of cardio for the day.
Being fat sucks.
But please, you and the other guys tell me about the great stuff you've consumed today.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
No lasagna here. I had a piece of fish and a few spoons of soup and now off to do my second hour of cardio for the day.
Being fat sucks.
But please, you and the other guys tell me about the great stuff you've consumed today.
Harley
I'm no expert, for sure, but you might have to watch out for the super-low carbs if you're not on gear. I think a person will lose fat, yeah, but everything else is lost, too. That might result in what GB calls "skinnyfat" or the deflated-bag look.
(But I know Craig is advising you and he knows a hell of a lot more than me, so I have faith in what you're doing)
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Dear Las Vegas,
That is an extremely educated bit of advice of which few people in society actually understand!!!
Craig is well aware of that and I have resolved that I would prefer to be lighter first which carries with it
actual fat loss if it also means that I have lost most of my muscle as well.
The reason being: I believe it is easier to add a little quality muscle than it is to lose actual fat, especially if
you've lost the fat and are somewhat catabolic at the time you begin to put on muscle. I might end up being
skinny fat but I can find victory in that over having been just morbidly fat and then knowing I am about to put
on some muscle.
Great point you brought up.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
That is an extremely educated bit of advice of which few people in society actually understand!!!
Craig is well aware of that and I have resolved that I would prefer to be lighter first which carries with it
actual fat loss if it also means that I have lost most of my muscle as well.
The reason being: I believe it is easier to add a little quality muscle than it is to lose actual fat, especially if
you've lost the fat and are somewhat catabolic at the time you begin to put on muscle. I might end up being
skinny fat but I can find victory in that over having been just morbidly fat and then knowing I am about to put
on some muscle.
Great point you brought up.
Harley
You're being way too hard on yourself, Harley. You're only "morbidly fat" when you come to getbig :D I bet your doctor would tell you you're "somewhat overweight" at worst.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks but I know how I look.
However, in my defense, I still don't understand the prolific criticisms hurled at so many of the best physiques on the planet.
Is Phil Heath really so "narrow" that he is crushed here by virtually everyone? Who in the world really looks like him? Would I take the last
10 years off my life to look like him and be so "narrow"? You bet.
And while I am questioning all this, let's talk for a moment about Michael O'Hearn.
This is NOT HOMO but seriously, what man on the planet wouldn't want to look like him? He really is the perfect physical specimen. He has a face
that makes women weak upon first appearance. His physique is simply awesome and NO ONE on GetBig has anything even close to that. I am sorry,
but why do we have to hate him so much merely on the fact that some of us look at him and conclude that there is no God because no merciful God would
create a Mike O'Hearn and then let me look the way I do. No, the universe is cruel and unfair. I would like to know just once, what it would be to walk into
a room and have people think that aesthetically and physically, there is no better. Don't we all dream about that scenario and wonder what it would feel like
for us to be recognized in that extreme manner.
I'm not saying that guys here don't look great, but seriously, Mike O'Hearn is just a rare specimen. I would rather look like him than ANY OTHER professional
or non-professional bodybuilder on the planet. So he gets attacked about his hairline? Really? Is that how far someone has to look to criticize him physically?
I just don't understand why it is that we are all here because we seek, admire and dream about physical attractiveness and yet attack those who so demonstrably
possess all that we dream of having in that area.
Now, I wait to hear that I am in love with Mike O'Hearn and gay but before you do that, ask yourself, "Would I like to look like him?"
Harley
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^ In short, we don't like Phil because he has a terrible personality and is arrogant, and has the bloofy fake muscle suit look. Ohearn looks good but we dislike him because he is a fake natty.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks but I know how I look.
However, in my defense, I still don't understand the prolific criticisms hurled at so many of the best physiques on the planet.
Is Phil Heath really so "narrow" that he is crushed here by virtually everyone? Who in the world really looks like him? Would I take the last
10 years off my life to look like him and be so "narrow"? You bet.
And while I am questioning all this, let's talk for a moment about Michael O'Hearn.
This is NOT HOMO but seriously, what man on the planet wouldn't want to look like him? He really is the perfect physical specimen. He has a face
that makes women weak upon first appearance. His physique is simply awesome and NO ONE on GetBig has anything even close to that. I am sorry,
but why do we have to hate him so much merely on the fact that some of us look at him and conclude that there is no God because no merciful God would
create a Mike O'Hearn and then let me look the way I do. No, the universe is cruel and unfair. I would like to know just once, what it would be to walk into
a room and have people think that aesthetically and physically, there is no better. Don't we all dream about that scenario and wonder what it would feel like
for us to be recognized in that extreme manner.
I'm not saying that guys here don't look great, but seriously, Mike O'Hearn is just a rare specimen. I would rather look like him than ANY OTHER professional
or non-professional bodybuilder on the planet. So he gets attacked about his hairline? Really? Is that how far someone has to look to criticize him physically?
I just don't understand why it is that we are all here because we seek, admire and dream about physical attractiveness and yet attack those who so demonstrably
possess all that we dream of having in that area.
Now, I wait to hear that I am in love with Mike O'Hearn and gay but before you do that, ask yourself, "Would I like to look like him?"
Harley
There may well be a fine line between having a mild case of self love and being an ignorant, lying, self centered egotistical, drug muncher. O'Hearn snorted that line years ago.
And Heath? He stepped over it.
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Harley its also everyone just being sarcastic and busting balls because physique people take their shit and themselves way way too fucking seriously like they cured a disease or something. They workout, eat and pose, that is their job nothing more. Hell 99% don't even have any visible means of income. Notice we don't make fun of Craig? Why ? Because he comes across as humble and actually has a life and job outside of just posing eating, training and posting selfies all day or on twitter like some of these knobs do
nothing funnier and more pathetic than a 260lbs muscle monster acting all macho then melting down like a little girl because someone critiques their physique or lack of personality, plus what The Scott and Ca;fzilla wrote
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Dear NelsonMuntz,
Thank you for the clarification.
I certainly think there is little room for arrogant ego-maniacs who think that a great physique is a reason to look down upon others.
I never met Phil or Mike so I can't say from personal experience how they treated me or others.
Although, whatever someone chooses as their livelihood is not for me to criticize provided they are not hurting others. I am not sure Mike is hurting anyone however
it is that he earns a living. I just don't know anything about him other than seeing his pictures and knowing he was once married to a brunette MuscleMag model who I heard
was very nice and a bit naïve.
The thing that I was noting is that there is criticism of their physiques and not their behavior. Well, you guys are pretty hard on Phil's physique which I often find quite
funny. I think he is perhaps one of the worst all-time Mr. Olympias, certainly at least in the modern age (post Samir).
Again, I don't know about Facebook and Instagram so you know their behaviors better than I.
I will offer this: If a guy like O'Hearn can actually get upset because someone out in the internet criticizes his physique, then he should trade places (physique wise) with me
and then learn to appreciate what he has and remember that the world will always be critical of greatness and anyone who attempts to walk outside the line of convention. Hell,
they even criticized Einstein and not for his receding hairline.
Harley
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Harley... That is a very profound statement.
People lose sight of things a lot and it's good to stop and evaluate what you really have.
You too have a lot to be thankful for from what you've told us and I think it's good that even through your trials and tribulations, you keep that in perspective.
Hope you have a great 2016.
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Dear TuHolmes,
That is high praise coming from you. Thank you!!!
I remain thankful for being brought up in a home with 2 incredible parents and still having the privilege of living with my Mom
even after my Dad passed which will be 2 years in less than 3 weeks from now.
I am thankful I am very healthy and not in too much constant pain. John Donne, a famous poet once wrote, "Off all the pleasures man
may attain, none is as great as relief from pain." The torture of your body relentlessly reminding you of pain can drive one mad.
I am thankful I am not physically or mentally challenged like the kids in my charity. I took 2 of them bowling last week and they were just
so happy about everything as opposed to all the "normal" people around them who found something to complain about when there really wasn't
anything at all.
I am thankful that I have a job that usually allows me to pursue my interests in life. While I always stress about making money, I am fairly
confident my business will survive the times and continue to permit me to study piano, learn another language, train MMA and BJJ and enjoy my cars as well
as do a few things for others when I can.
Would I kill to look like O'Hearn? Oh yeah!!! Would I like to walk into a room and have women find me attractive? Oh yeah!!! Would I like to be able to eat
all the pepperoni pizza and lasagna I could and still have abs? Oh yeah!!!
Well, the world just isn't set up like that. It is a tough and unfair place. But maybe, if we threw around a few more compliments, were just a bit less
judgmental and lastly, took a moment to like our own selves a bit more, we would all have a better run at this short sprint called "life."
Harley
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That is so true.
Being a little more thankful and putting a little more into others is the only way we will truly find out what living life is all about.
I hope your thoughts of your father are always pleasant ones. My father passed a little over 3 years ago and I find myself constantly thinking of his funny sayings and witty banter.
I hope to be able to come to your area and do an event with your charity.
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Dear TuHolmes,
I am sorry for the loss of your Dad.
My Dad and I didn't share too many funny saying or witty banter. He spoke 11 languages and played 10
instruments and felt obligated to teach me "the world." It was just his way, no better or no worse than any other Dad.
Not going to baseball games or movies with him didn't drive me to some black leather couch to pay some shrink $200 an hour just
for me to say that I was neglected. That is the farthest thing from the truth.
I don't have kids and I am nothing close to a parent but I think each parent, if they really are a parent, attempts to do his
best the way he believes is best. Some parents are not good "friends" or "coaches" to their kids while others are. Each and every
Parent/Child relationship appears different to me so I don't believe in some formula or book on how to do the right thing as a parent.
The fact that you have fond memories of your Dad leads me to conclude that he was a good Dad, loved you and you loved him.
I would say that is a complete success, for you both.
Harley
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those kids/adults you take care of with charity is real cool harley,your father/mother would be proud to know that you gained some trait from one or both that enabled you to pass to others with charity,,plus the lawyer dynamic is equally as impressive..
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Dear NJFlex,
Thanks. My Dad knew of my charity and my Mom attends the events.
I think everyone is doing something whether it is ensuring the welfare of their own nuclear family or they might
be able to extend it a bit farther out. I am happy to know I didn't keep it all for myself.
Harley
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The Vette is on the ground!!!
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From the front but far from done
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Dear Harley,
Recently I have been watching a lot of true crime documentaries, such as Paradise Lost, The Staircase and Making a Murderer and I am shocked and appalled at how inept and corrupt the prosecution is in a lot of these cases. In one case a state prosecutor even said "Reasonable doubt is for the innocent." And (paraphrased): "Does it matter if the police planted evidence if the defendant is guilty?" I couldn't believe it. In my mind those people should have been fired on the spot. They have no regard for due process or the truth. Are you familiar with any of these cases? Have you had any cases you have felt have already been decided by the media/the state/the judge beforehand?
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Vette looking real nice, Harley.
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You may have answered this already, but I make the assumption that this is a drag car?
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Dear TuHolmes,
Although the Vette (and Nova and Chevelle) are all Pro Street, they are NOT for the drag strip.
I don't believe in buying or building cars and letting them sit in garages like museum pieces. I intend to drive
these cars, including the Trans Am which is the only non-Pro Street.
Admittedly, the Nova, dyno tested at over 1,000 bhp and over 1,000 ft. lb, torgue can't be on the road making trips to Costco
every day but we still built it for long and constant runs.
I drive the Ferrari and Bentley as much as I can but can't take them to court as the resentment level of the prosecutors would shoot
through the roof.
Believe it or not, I drive the Ferrari much more than the Bentley. Perhaps because I like it in a different manner.
Very funny stories when I have those cars in my possession.
Harley
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Dear Guy,
I am glad that you were "shocked and appalled" by the obdurate and rapid rush to judgment exercised by far too many police,
prosecutors and even judges. The media? Well, they need to sell papers and advertising space. Need I say more?
Most, not all prosecutors, have no friends who live in ghetto neighborhoods. They have no family who live in ghetto neighborhoods.
They don't visit, spend time, shop nor eat in ghetto neighborhoods. Almost all have never even dated someone other than their own color skin.
Their myopic approach to life is that "Why would the police even charge this person if there weren't enough evidence already to convict him?"
You may write this off as cynical non-sense from a disgruntled defense attorney.
Well, first, I am not cynical. I am pragmatic.
Second, I am not disgruntled. I accept the terribly flawed system with all its inefficiency because it is still the greatest system in the world.
All you need to do is get arrested in Brasil, Mexico or the Middle East to learn this point the hard way. Due Process? You can't even translate that
into some of those languages.
As I have so often stated, my job is simply to test the evidence and ensure that everyone is playing by all the rules.
Harley
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Havant read back so forgive me Harley, but did you lose the body fat?
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Dear Guy,
I am glad that you were "shocked and appalled" by the obdurate and rapid rush to judgment exercised by far too many police,
prosecutors and even judges. The media? Well, they need to sell papers and advertising space. Need I say more?
Most, not all prosecutors, have no friends who live in ghetto neighborhoods. They have no family who live in ghetto neighborhoods.
They don't visit, spend time, shop nor eat in ghetto neighborhoods. Almost all have never even dated someone other than their own color skin.
Their myopic approach to life is that "Why would the police even charge this person if there weren't enough evidence already to convict him?"
You may write this off as cynical non-sense from a disgruntled defense attorney.
Well, first, I am not cynical. I am pragmatic.
Second, I am not disgruntled. I accept the terribly flawed system with all its inefficiency because it is still the greatest system in the world.
All you need to do is get arrested in Brasil, Mexico or the Middle East to learn this point the hard way. Due Process? You can't even translate that
into some of those languages.
As I have so often stated, my job is simply to test the evidence and ensure that everyone is playing by all the rules.
Harley
In some of these cases it seems like the truth becomes secondary. Both sides, but especially the prosecution, seem to be more concerned with winning than doing things the correct way. And it's really scary when law enforcement can get away with blatantly planting evidence, coerce confessions from borderline mentally retarded 16-year old without attorney or parent present and they suffer no consequences like in the Avery case from Making a Murderer on Netflix. The court appointed attorney of the sixteen-year old I mentioned even actively worked against him to further his career. Before the trial he said to the media "He is legally and morally responsible, but at least he is not evil incarnate like his uncle." Kid never stood a chance. But I was very impressed with the defense in this case. Defense attorneys seem like they have to work much harder to convince a jury because people have this presumption that the police would never lie and are all upstanding citizens. That a DA would never lie or do something illegal. It seems like even when they don't have much in the way of evidence, but by effective using speculation and innuendo they can overcome that and the jury will take that on board.
Still you're right, it's the best system we have. But sometimes I wonder if the jury system is too flawed.
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Hey Guys,
If you can put aside all the religious aspect of the song, "Oh Happy Day" by The Edwin Hawkins Singers is a very moving
piece of music.
Again, I am not commenting on the content, but rather, the mood it elicits.
Harley
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Don't think I've heard of it.
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It just seems that all of this Christmas music is and was designed to create a sense of family and harmony that just never seemed to materialize
in this commercialized society of ours.
Perhaps someone had to go back into the church to find the true feeling of the holiday.
And again, this isn't even my holiday. It's just a feeling and mode evoked by what I believe is a moving song.
Harley
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Good song, Harley. Thank you for mentioning it.
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Dear TuHolmes,
Although the Vette (and Nova and Chevelle) are all Pro Street, they are NOT for the drag strip.
I don't believe in buying or building cars and letting them sit in garages like museum pieces. I intend to drive
these cars, including the Trans Am which is the only non-Pro Street.
Admittedly, the Nova, dyno tested at over 1,000 bhp and over 1,000 ft. lb, torgue can't be on the road making trips to Costco
every day but we still built it for long and constant runs.
I drive the Ferrari and Bentley as much as I can but can't take them to court as the resentment level of the prosecutors would shoot
through the roof.
Believe it or not, I drive the Ferrari much more than the Bentley. Perhaps because I like it in a different manner.
Very funny stories when I have those cars in my possession.
Harley
Harley, I enjoy reading/skimming many of your posts . I don't have your financial resources but recently bought my "dream car". Ok , ok, ok, this will sound pretty lame compared to your classics but here goes.
I bought a late model V-8 mustang convertible with leather interior. I love driving it and spent a lot of younger years driving beaters LOL.
Merry Christmas.
PS/ I saw Craig Richardson live at a GNC pro event in ATL about 12 yrs ago. I was very impressed at the quality of his physique, conditioning and posing.
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Hey Guys,
I am concerned in that I have not heard from Pellius in quite some time.
Selfishly, I hope this thread has not bored him to departure but more importantly, I hope all is well with him.
I miss his intellectual prodding.
Harley
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I haven't seen him around the boards lately, Harley. He's probably working or visiting w family for the holidays or something.
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Harley, I enjoy reading/skimming many of your posts . I don't have your financial resources but recently bought my "dream car". Ok , ok, ok, this will sound pretty lame compared to your classics but here goes.
I bought a late model V-8 mustang convertible with leather interior. I love driving it and spent a lot of younger years driving beaters LOL.
Merry Christmas.
PS/ I saw Craig Richardson live at a GNC pro event in ATL about 12 yrs ago. I was very impressed at the quality of his physique, conditioning and posing.
Dear Howard,
1) Thanks for writing.
2) I am not rich but have found myself in a position in life with perhaps less obligations to others than those of my cohorts with kids desiring to attend over-priced and
over-rated colleges (that is a very long and different topic upon which I have strong feelings. When I taught college for 9 years, I served on the Admissions Committee and
really shook things up there).
3) Yours and anyone else's dream car can never sound "lame" next to mine or anyone else's because it is YOUR dream car and that is the point of it all. It's not the price of
the car or the paint job, it's what the car means to the owner. We all dream of similar cars and then very different cars too and that is because we are all different and come to
desiring cars from different life experiences, none better or worse, just different. For example, If I grew up in Southern California, I am sure my taste in cars would be different.
The fact that you actually drive your dream car warrants my respect and I hope that you fully enjoy it and drive it often.
4) Thanks for the comment about Craig. His character is even more impressive than his physique.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
So at the risk of already referencing a Christian based song, I now subject myself to the criticism which shall follow this:
In the last month, I find myself exploring 2 topics for which I thought I would attempt to write a poem. It took quite some time and
effort but in the end, as bad as they were, it was rewarding to take on such a complicated art and see it through, even on such a
sophomoric level.
I strongly suspect that a significant amount of you guys have written poems or songs in your youth and may have even continued doing so.
Ok, there it is. And no, I am not a homo.
Harley
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Dear Howard,
1) Thanks for writing.
2) I am not rich but have found myself in a position in life with perhaps less obligations to others than those of my cohorts with kids desiring to attend over-priced and
over-rated colleges (that is a very long and different topic upon which I have strong feelings. When I taught college for 9 years, I served on the Admissions Committee and
really shook things up there).
3) Yours and anyone else's dream car can never sound "lame" next to mine or anyone else's because it is YOUR dream car and that is the point of it all. It's not the price of
the car or the paint job, it's what the car means to the owner. We all dream of similar cars and then very different cars too and that is because we are all different and come to
desiring cars from different life experiences, none better or worse, just different. For example, If I grew up in Southern California, I am sure my taste in cars would be different.
The fact that you actually drive your dream car warrants my respect and I hope that you fully enjoy it and drive it often.
4) Thanks for the comment about Craig. His character is even more impressive than his physique.
Harley
So, you don't have kids ?
I don't and never wanted any, but opinions and lifestyles vary.
I've been married a few times, but that's a whole other thread LOL.
I actually considered being a lawyer and even got accepted at Chase Law at N KY U ( back in the 80's).
In brief, I trained with a lawyer friend who told me the real day to day job of being one.
I respect what lawyers do but also realize it can be a grind of following procedure and research.
I ended up being a physics teacher and recently retired.
I'm surprised to see you on getbig but for some of us it can be addictive "assclownery" LOL
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Hey Guys,
So at the risk of already referencing a Christian based song, I now subject myself to the criticism which shall follow this:
In the last month, I find myself exploring 2 topics for which I thought I would attempt to write a poem. It took quite some time and
effort but in the end, as bad as they were, it was rewarding to take on such a complicated art and see it through, even on such a
sophomoric level.
I strongly suspect that a significant amount of you guys have written poems or songs in your youth and may have even continued doing so.
Ok, there it is. And no, I am not a homo.
Harley
I have a rather eclectic taste in music and literature , but enjoy many of the classic works.
I suspect a lot of these young bucks are homophobic and afraid to show any interest in things that illicit spiritual emotions.
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I have a rather eclectic taste in music and literature , but enjoy many of the classic works.
I suspect a lot of these young bucks are homophobic and afraid to show any interest in things that illicit spiritual emotions.
Not true, in fact I cried just today when I listened to this:
It's a song about boxers who died prematurely.
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That was too serious and decent for getbig.
Time to return this thread to a higher level of "assclownery "
I give you this classic video of me in full douchebag form
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Hey Guys,
I think there is a place for "serious" stuff sometimes, even on a site like this.
The holidays can be rough for people and some don't feel as if they can admit it and ask for a little
help or lift.
I just thought that song I put up might lift the spirits of anyone who might be a bit down during this time.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
So at the risk of already referencing a Christian based song, I now subject myself to the criticism which shall follow this:
In the last month, I find myself exploring 2 topics for which I thought I would attempt to write a poem. It took quite some time and
effort but in the end, as bad as they were, it was rewarding to take on such a complicated art and see it through, even on such a
sophomoric level.
I strongly suspect that a significant amount of you guys have written poems or songs in your youth and may have even continued doing so.
Ok, there it is. And no, I am not a homo.
Harley
Aren't you going to post anything else as a follow-up to this, Harley?
???
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Dear Las Vegas,
Not sure what you wanted me to post as a follow up?
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Not sure what you wanted me to post as a follow up?
Harley
Cock pics?
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My Friend Is Gone:
Dear Friends,
It is with the utmost sadness that I relay to you the passing of my dear friend, Mike Mrkulic. Mike died in a car accident very early this morning on the N.J. Turnpike.
Mike was a very successful stock broker who left Wall Street to create his own Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Academy. While studying Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, Mike displayed a tremendous determination to constantly improve and reach his full potential. His tenacity was always on display when he competed as his list of accomplishments, below, incredibly demonstrates.
But more important than all his medals and all his successful students, is the influence he had over others. His positive outlook on life was refreshingly intoxicating. He refused to accept negativity and made a point of laughing and smiling so that you would have to enjoy your moments with him. Mike wanted you to remember that life was not a struggle, but rather, an opportunity to experience joy and friendship. His emotion was wonderfully contagious.
Mike was the very first person who told me that I could become a World Champion in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and insisted on training me and taking me to Brasil. Well, it took several times but eventually Mike was there both times I was awarded First Place and he was there smiling and standing on the podium next to me for the photos and medal ceremony.
Mike was aware that my brother had passed a very long time ago and yet, he insisted on calling me "Brother" despite already having 2 of his own. I think he knew what that meant to me and that was his way of always making me feel better.
Quite some time ago, Mike asked my help in securing a very fast Lexus for him through my friend who owned the dealership housing this car. I helped Mike in terms of vouching for his character but asked him not to continue to drive so fast. It wasn't just because he was raising both his daughters by himself, but because I didn't want to lose a friend to a pattern of recklessly fast driving which terrified me. He promised me he would slow down. But he didn't.
I represented Mike shortly thereafter in a courtroom where the Judge actually asked Mike, after seeing the plea agreement I arranged from the Prosecutor, "What is your relationship with your attorney because you certainly could not have paid him enough money for this deal?" As we walked out the courtroom, Mike was infectiously laughing during my entire admonishment against continuing to drive so fast.
Some time last winter, Mike came by to see my new Ferrari and proudly told me that he was expecting the arrival of yet another very fast car, an Audi R8. I told him that I wasn't happy to hear this news as I was concerned he would not temper his driving habits. He promised me he would be more careful.
About two months ago, Mike picked me up in the Audi so that I could again represent him in Bay Ridge, N.Y. for driving 92 miles per hour in a 55 mile per hour zone. Just as I had the Prosecutor willing to dismiss the entire matter, the Judge screamed "Are you crazy? Look at this speed" and then set the matter down for June, 2016. Mike seemed stunned even as I tried to explain to him that driving at such speeds is dangerous. He laughed the entire way out of the courtroom and then bought me 2 belts from some street dweller and then laughed the whole way home. I did tell Mike that come June of next year, his father would have to drive us to court as I was too scared to be a passenger while he drives. He smiled proudly, laughed and said he would acquiesce to my, what he perceived as, ridiculous demand.
This past November, I was honored to watch Mike be awarded his Third Degree as a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu from one of our professors, Vitor Terra who came from Brasil to compete and teach at Mike's academy.
I learned of Mike's passing today and selfishly wondered which car had he been driving during the accident. Shamefully, I was somewhat relieved to learn it was the Audi and not the Lexus for which he needed my assistance to purchase. I then found myself alone in my own car, pulled over in violation of some parking rule, crying to the thought of Mike not laughing any more; not smiling until you yourself had to break out smiling; not reminding me of some crazy moment he and I shared in Brasil just to remind me that life sometimes calls for bizarre or even excessive moments of joyful frivolity.
That is how Mike lived, excessively. He was an excessive friend, He was an excessive teacher. He was an excessive producer of warmth and laughter. Mike knew how to display his appreciation for your friendship. I wish I had told him more often just how much I appreciated him and just what he meant to me.
And now, like so many after thoughts, I wish I had spent more time being rained upon by Mike's jovial nature, his insistence on just simply being a joy to be around. His sunshine is sorely missed.
Deeply,
Harley
Mike's Achievements
1999 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships GI Flyweightt
1999 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships NO-GI Flywt
1999 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships Lightweight GI
2000 Champion-NAGA Matt Madness Lightweight GI
2000 Champion-GQ NYC Grappling Challege NO-GI Lightweight
2000 Champion-Grapplers Quest Kimono Kombat Lightweight
2000 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships "Superfight"
2000 Champion-NAGA-NAGC Flyweight GI
2000 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships Flywt NO-GI
2001 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships "Superfight"
2001 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open Lightweight NO-GI
2001 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open Lightweight GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-NJ State Championships Flyweight
2002 Champion-Arnold Classic Gracie World Lightweight Submission
2002 Champion-Copa Atlantica Lightweight Purple Belt
2002 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open No-GI Lightweight
2002 Champion-Grapplers Quest World Submission Flyweight
2002 Champion-NAGA-North Amer Grappling Champ Brown/Black Belt Litewt GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships-Master Ltwt NO-GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships Adult Flywt NO-GI
2003 Champion-Grapplers Quest World Submission Flyweight
2003 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships-Adult Flywt NO-GI
2003 Champion-Las Vegas Grappling & Jiu Jitsu Flyweight
2003 Most Technical Fighter-Award Las Vegas Grappling & Jiu Jitsu Championships
2003 Bronze Medalist-Pan American Jiu-Jitsu Championships-SuperFeatherWt
2003 6th place-Abu Dhabi World Submission Wrestling Championships (66kg)
2003 4th place-World Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Championships
2004 Silver Medalist-Abu Dhabi CC Submission Grappling Open, Florida
2005 Bronze Medalist-World Brazilian JiuJitsu Championship Featherweight Division - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2005 Awarded Black Belt-Gracie Humaita Academy; Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2008 Awarded1st Degree Promotion on Blackbelt
2015 Awarded 3rd Degree Promotion on Blackbetl
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My Friend Is Gone:
Dear Friends,
It is with the utmost sadness that I relay to you the passing of my dear friend, Mike Mrkulic. Mike died in a car accident very early this morning on the N.J. Turnpike.
Mike was a very successful stock broker who left Wall Street to create his own Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Academy. While studying Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, Mike displayed a tremendous determination to constantly improve and reach his full potential. His tenacity was always on display when he competed as his list of accomplishments, below, incredibly demonstrates.
But more important than all his medals and all his successful students, is the influence he had over others. His positive outlook on life was refreshingly intoxicating. He refused to accept negativity and made a point of laughing and smiling so that you would have to enjoy your moments with him. Mike wanted you to remember that life was not a struggle, but rather, an opportunity to experience joy and friendship. His emotion was wonderfully contagious.
Mike was the very first person who told me that I could become a World Champion in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and insisted on training me and taking me to Brasil. Well, it took several times but eventually Mike was there both times I was awarded First Place and he was there smiling and standing on the podium next to me for the photos and medal ceremony.
Mike was aware that my brother had passed a very long time ago and yet, he insisted on calling me "Brother" despite already having 2 of his own. I think he knew what that meant to me and that was his way of always making me feel better.
Quite some time ago, Mike asked my help in securing a very fast Lexus for him through my friend who owned the dealership housing this car. I helped Mike in terms of vouching for his character but asked him not to continue to drive so fast. It wasn't just because he was raising both his daughters by himself, but because I didn't want to lose a friend to a pattern of recklessly fast driving which terrified me. He promised me he would slow down. But he didn't.
I represented Mike shortly thereafter in a courtroom where the Judge actually asked Mike, after seeing the plea agreement I arranged from the Prosecutor, "What is your relationship with your attorney because you certainly could not have paid him enough money for this deal?" As we walked out the courtroom, Mike was infectiously laughing during my entire admonishment against continuing to drive so fast.
Some time last winter, Mike came by to see my new Ferrari and proudly told me that he was expecting the arrival of yet another very fast car, an Audi R8. I told him that I wasn't happy to hear this news as I was concerned he would not temper his driving habits. He promised me he would be more careful.
About two months ago, Mike picked me up in the Audi so that I could again represent him in Bay Ridge, N.Y. for driving 92 miles per hour in a 55 mile per hour zone. Just as I had the Prosecutor willing to dismiss the entire matter, the Judge screamed "Are you crazy? Look at this speed" and then set the matter down for June, 2016. Mike seemed stunned even as I tried to explain to him that driving at such speeds is dangerous. He laughed the entire way out of the courtroom and then bought me 2 belts from some street dweller and then laughed the whole way home. I did tell Mike that come June of next year, his father would have to drive us to court as I was too scared to be a passenger while he drives. He smiled proudly, laughed and said he would acquiesce to my, what he perceived as, ridiculous demand.
This past November, I was honored to watch Mike be awarded his Third Degree as a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu from one of our professors, Vitor Terra who came from Brasil to compete and teach at Mike's academy.
I learned of Mike's passing today and selfishly wondered which car had he been driving during the accident. Shamefully, I was somewhat relieved to learn it was the Audi and not the Lexus for which he needed my assistance to purchase. I then found myself alone in my own car, pulled over in violation of some parking rule, crying to the thought of Mike not laughing any more; not smiling until you yourself had to break out smiling; not reminding me of some crazy moment he and I shared in Brasil just to remind me that life sometimes calls for bizarre or even excessive moments of joyful frivolity.
That is how Mike lived, excessively. He was an excessive friend, He was an excessive teacher. He was an excessive producer of warmth and laughter. Mike knew how to display his appreciation for your friendship. I wish I had told him more often just how much I appreciated him and just what he meant to me.
And now, like so many after thoughts, I wish I had spent more time being rained upon by Mike's jovial nature, his insistence on just simply being a joy to be around. His sunshine is sorely missed.
Deeply,
Harley
Mike's Achievements
1999 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships GI Flyweightt
1999 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships NO-GI Flywt
1999 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships Lightweight GI
2000 Champion-NAGA Matt Madness Lightweight GI
2000 Champion-GQ NYC Grappling Challege NO-GI Lightweight
2000 Champion-Grapplers Quest Kimono Kombat Lightweight
2000 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships "Superfight"
2000 Champion-NAGA-NAGC Flyweight GI
2000 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships Flywt NO-GI
2001 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships "Superfight"
2001 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open Lightweight NO-GI
2001 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open Lightweight GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-NJ State Championships Flyweight
2002 Champion-Arnold Classic Gracie World Lightweight Submission
2002 Champion-Copa Atlantica Lightweight Purple Belt
2002 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open No-GI Lightweight
2002 Champion-Grapplers Quest World Submission Flyweight
2002 Champion-NAGA-North Amer Grappling Champ Brown/Black Belt Litewt GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships-Master Ltwt NO-GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships Adult Flywt NO-GI
2003 Champion-Grapplers Quest World Submission Flyweight
2003 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships-Adult Flywt NO-GI
2003 Champion-Las Vegas Grappling & Jiu Jitsu Flyweight
2003 Most Technical Fighter-Award Las Vegas Grappling & Jiu Jitsu Championships
2003 Bronze Medalist-Pan American Jiu-Jitsu Championships-SuperFeatherWt
2003 6th place-Abu Dhabi World Submission Wrestling Championships (66kg)
2003 4th place-World Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Championships
2004 Silver Medalist-Abu Dhabi CC Submission Grappling Open, Florida
2005 Bronze Medalist-World Brazilian JiuJitsu Championship Featherweight Division - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2005 Awarded Black Belt-Gracie Humaita Academy; Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2008 Awarded1st Degree Promotion on Blackbelt
2015 Awarded 3rd Degree Promotion on Blackbetl
Sorry for your loss, although its a blessing he didnt kill anyone else with his reckless driving.
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Wow, he was some individual.
Obviously he lived life to the fullest and made a real connection with you and many others.
RIP Mike :(
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Sorry, Harley.
Life changing moments happen in the blink of an eye. :-\
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sorry for your loss, harley. sounds like he was an awesome guy.
us people who live in the fast lane live dangerously.
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My deepest heartfelt sympathy at the passing of your friend Harley.
Please reach out if you need anything.
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I'm sorry, Harley. It's always sad when stuff like that happens.
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Hey Guys,
I just want to sincerely wish all of you nothing but the very best of everything for 2016.
Life is incredibly difficult but I wish you all find many moments of joy, relief, success and laughter because,
after all, isn't that all we are left with?
Here is wishing wonderful relationships and memories for everyone.
Harley
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All the Best Harley :)
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Hey Guys,
I have to admit, coming from someone who is quite the bit a loner, this involvement with GetBig is like having a family
on the side but with much less crap to have to deal with.
Advantages of a GetBig family:
1) No ridiculous social obligations to attend
2) Never have to dress up for anything (although I have seen what some of these guys do in their spare time and I care not to comment)
3) No worthless relative asking for money
4) No stupid competition over SAT, MCAT, LSAT, GRE scores
5) No having to stop what you are doing in order to accommodate some stupid chore
All in all, not to bad of an extended family.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I have to admit, coming from someone who is quite the bit a loner, this involvement with GetBig is like having a family
on the side but with much less crap to have to deal with.
Advantages of a GetBig family:
1) No ridiculous social obligations to attend
2) Never have to dress up for anything (although I have seen what some of these guys do in their spare time and I care not to comment)
3) No worthless relative asking for money
4) No stupid competition over SAT, MCAT, LSAT, GRE scores
5) No having to stop what you are doing in order to accommodate some stupid chore
All in all, not to bad of an extended family.
Harley
Glad to have you here, Harley.
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Dear Shizzo,
I am just thrilled to be here.
The questions have been a bit light lately so I've just been coming on to see if anything is really new.
I hope that I can be of some help to more members this year whether it's with some legal advice or
anything I might have a clue about in the world of bodybuilding.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I have to admit, coming from someone who is quite the bit a loner, this involvement with GetBig is like having a family
on the side but with much less crap to have to deal with.
Advantages of a GetBig family:
1) No ridiculous social obligations to attend
2) Never have to dress up for anything (although I have seen what some of these guys do in their spare time and I care not to comment)
3) No worthless relative asking for money
4) No stupid competition over SAT, MCAT, LSAT, GRE scores
5) No having to stop what you are doing in order to accommodate some stupid chore
All in all, not to bad of an extended family.
Harley
Sorry for your loss, Harley!
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Dear Shizzo,
I am just thrilled to be here.
The questions have been a bit light lately so I've just been coming on to see if anything is really new.
I hope that I can be of some help to more members this year whether it's with some legal advice or
anything I might have a clue about in the world of bodybuilding.
Harley
Getbig is often about random things.
To be cliche. We put the fun in dysfunction.
Happy New Year to you, Harley.
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You guys are great fun and much more intelligent than most of the meat heads in the gym.
I marvel at your computer skills. I promise to get better at posting pictures. I have many more
that I can't seem to figure out.
Perhaps after my trip to Switzerland, I will have one or two that you guys will appreciate.
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Hartley,
Have you heard about Evan Centopani slapping that Asian kid in the chops at the gym? Kid filed a criminal complaint. Evan issued a BS non denial denial. Whats your legal opinion mane?
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Sorry about your friend Harley
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Dear NelsonMuntz,
Thanks. Regardless of how a person passes, when it's unexpected, there is quite a bit to digest.
And yes, as someone so insightfully pointed out, it is good that no one else was ever hurt by my friend's
reckless driving. I am sure no one here ever drove drunk at 17 years old, took their hoopdy up to a stupid speed, etc.
Well, I did all that.
Harley
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Hartley,
Have you heard about Evan Centopani slapping that Asian kid in the chops at the gym? Kid filed a criminal complaint. Evan issued a BS non denial denial. Whats your legal opinion mane?
Dear SaintAnger,
I didn't bother reading the thread about the alleged event.
I am not sure if the fact that the kid is "Asian" is even relevant.
What is relevant is that, if a complaint was actually charged, that means there is Probable Cause to believe it actually occurred. That standard, Probable
Cause, should be met with a great deal of skepticism as it is even lower than it is meant to be when police hear stories and need to make a decision as they
too are cowards and err on the side of signing off on ridiculously false accusations.
Having said that, I would never have permitted my client to issue any type of statement whatsoever. I think Evan made money competing once at the Arnold.
Why not use some of that money towards a lawyer and not make stupid mistakes?
Harley
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My Friend Is Gone:
Dear Friends,
It is with the utmost sadness that I relay to you the passing of my dear friend, Mike Mrkulic. Mike died in a car accident very early this morning on the N.J. Turnpike.
Mike was a very successful stock broker who left Wall Street to create his own Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Academy. While studying Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, Mike displayed a tremendous determination to constantly improve and reach his full potential. His tenacity was always on display when he competed as his list of accomplishments, below, incredibly demonstrates.
But more important than all his medals and all his successful students, is the influence he had over others. His positive outlook on life was refreshingly intoxicating. He refused to accept negativity and made a point of laughing and smiling so that you would have to enjoy your moments with him. Mike wanted you to remember that life was not a struggle, but rather, an opportunity to experience joy and friendship. His emotion was wonderfully contagious.
Mike was the very first person who told me that I could become a World Champion in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and insisted on training me and taking me to Brasil. Well, it took several times but eventually Mike was there both times I was awarded First Place and he was there smiling and standing on the podium next to me for the photos and medal ceremony.
Mike was aware that my brother had passed a very long time ago and yet, he insisted on calling me "Brother" despite already having 2 of his own. I think he knew what that meant to me and that was his way of always making me feel better.
Quite some time ago, Mike asked my help in securing a very fast Lexus for him through my friend who owned the dealership housing this car. I helped Mike in terms of vouching for his character but asked him not to continue to drive so fast. It wasn't just because he was raising both his daughters by himself, but because I didn't want to lose a friend to a pattern of recklessly fast driving which terrified me. He promised me he would slow down. But he didn't.
I represented Mike shortly thereafter in a courtroom where the Judge actually asked Mike, after seeing the plea agreement I arranged from the Prosecutor, "What is your relationship with your attorney because you certainly could not have paid him enough money for this deal?" As we walked out the courtroom, Mike was infectiously laughing during my entire admonishment against continuing to drive so fast.
Some time last winter, Mike came by to see my new Ferrari and proudly told me that he was expecting the arrival of yet another very fast car, an Audi R8. I told him that I wasn't happy to hear this news as I was concerned he would not temper his driving habits. He promised me he would be more careful.
About two months ago, Mike picked me up in the Audi so that I could again represent him in Bay Ridge, N.Y. for driving 92 miles per hour in a 55 mile per hour zone. Just as I had the Prosecutor willing to dismiss the entire matter, the Judge screamed "Are you crazy? Look at this speed" and then set the matter down for June, 2016. Mike seemed stunned even as I tried to explain to him that driving at such speeds is dangerous. He laughed the entire way out of the courtroom and then bought me 2 belts from some street dweller and then laughed the whole way home. I did tell Mike that come June of next year, his father would have to drive us to court as I was too scared to be a passenger while he drives. He smiled proudly, laughed and said he would acquiesce to my, what he perceived as, ridiculous demand.
This past November, I was honored to watch Mike be awarded his Third Degree as a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu from one of our professors, Vitor Terra who came from Brasil to compete and teach at Mike's academy.
I learned of Mike's passing today and selfishly wondered which car had he been driving during the accident. Shamefully, I was somewhat relieved to learn it was the Audi and not the Lexus for which he needed my assistance to purchase. I then found myself alone in my own car, pulled over in violation of some parking rule, crying to the thought of Mike not laughing any more; not smiling until you yourself had to break out smiling; not reminding me of some crazy moment he and I shared in Brasil just to remind me that life sometimes calls for bizarre or even excessive moments of joyful frivolity.
That is how Mike lived, excessively. He was an excessive friend, He was an excessive teacher. He was an excessive producer of warmth and laughter. Mike knew how to display his appreciation for your friendship. I wish I had told him more often just how much I appreciated him and just what he meant to me.
And now, like so many after thoughts, I wish I had spent more time being rained upon by Mike's jovial nature, his insistence on just simply being a joy to be around. His sunshine is sorely missed.
Deeply,
Harley
Mike's Achievements
1999 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships GI Flyweightt
1999 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships NO-GI Flywt
1999 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships Lightweight GI
2000 Champion-NAGA Matt Madness Lightweight GI
2000 Champion-GQ NYC Grappling Challege NO-GI Lightweight
2000 Champion-Grapplers Quest Kimono Kombat Lightweight
2000 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships "Superfight"
2000 Champion-NAGA-NAGC Flyweight GI
2000 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships Flywt NO-GI
2001 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships "Superfight"
2001 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open Lightweight NO-GI
2001 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open Lightweight GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-NJ State Championships Flyweight
2002 Champion-Arnold Classic Gracie World Lightweight Submission
2002 Champion-Copa Atlantica Lightweight Purple Belt
2002 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open No-GI Lightweight
2002 Champion-Grapplers Quest World Submission Flyweight
2002 Champion-NAGA-North Amer Grappling Champ Brown/Black Belt Litewt GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships-Master Ltwt NO-GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships Adult Flywt NO-GI
2003 Champion-Grapplers Quest World Submission Flyweight
2003 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships-Adult Flywt NO-GI
2003 Champion-Las Vegas Grappling & Jiu Jitsu Flyweight
2003 Most Technical Fighter-Award Las Vegas Grappling & Jiu Jitsu Championships
2003 Bronze Medalist-Pan American Jiu-Jitsu Championships-SuperFeatherWt
2003 6th place-Abu Dhabi World Submission Wrestling Championships (66kg)
2003 4th place-World Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Championships
2004 Silver Medalist-Abu Dhabi CC Submission Grappling Open, Florida
2005 Bronze Medalist-World Brazilian JiuJitsu Championship Featherweight Division - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2005 Awarded Black Belt-Gracie Humaita Academy; Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2008 Awarded1st Degree Promotion on Blackbelt
2015 Awarded 3rd Degree Promotion on Blackbetl
Sorry for your loss Harley. Hope you have a great 2016.
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Hey RonnieRep,
Great to hear from you!!! I, of course, included you in my wishes for a great 2016.
I am still worried about not hearing from Pellius. I know he is a serious person with many other important
matters in his life but I hope he is just ignoring us for a short time and that all is well with him.
Harley
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Dear SaintAnger,
I didn't bother reading the thread about the alleged event.
I am not sure if the fact that the kid is "Asian" is even relevant.
What is relevant is that, if a complaint was actually charged, that means there is Probable Cause to believe it actually occurred. That standard, Probable
Cause, should be met with a great deal of skepticism as it is even lower than it is meant to be when police hear stories and need to make a decision as they
too are cowards and err on the side of signing off on ridiculously false accusations.
Having said that, I would never have permitted my client to issue any type of statement whatsoever. I think Evan made money competing once at the Arnold.
Why not use some of that money towards a lawyer and not make stupid mistakes?
Harley
Dear Hartley,
Some are saying this may be classifying this as a "hate crime" because the victim is a minority and is homo.
Do you think the kid will have any civil recourse for recovery?
Do you think the DA will pursue it?
What do you think will happen to Centopeed's new Animal contract?
Why wouldn't you have allowed him to make a statement? He's been sodomized all over social media -- BIG TIME!
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Dear Hartley,
Some are saying this may be classifying this as a "hate crime" because the victim is a minority and is homo.
Do you think the kid will have any civil recourse for recovery?
Do you think the DA will pursue it?
What do you think will happen to Centopeed's new Animal contract?
Why wouldn't you have allowed him to make a statement? He's been sodomized all over social media -- BIG TIME!
Dear SaintAnger,
1) My name is Harley, thanks
2) Without reading the complaint, I am at a disadvantage but, unless Evan directed his actions because the "victim" was a minority, there is no
basis for a Hate Crime. Otherwise, any transgression against a Black, Hispanic, gay, etc, would have to be a "Hate Crime" and that is just not the case.
3) As to civil recourse, that is only possible if there are actual "injuries." Assuming it's not a Hate Crime, the "victim" needs to prove injury in some form
before he can ask for compensation.
4) I think if Evan hires a competent Criminal Defense Attorney, he is fine. I would push the case to trial as long as Evan didn't come to court in stretch pants
and a tank top.
5) His contract is whatever it reads. I am "sure" he had a lawyer review it before he signed on. Please note my skepticism.
6) Here is literally a life saving bit of advice worth a million dollars that no one ever appreciates or follows: NEVER, I repeat, NEVER speak to police about anything!!
That's it!!! No exceptions. No, "but I thought I could help myself...They told me they would..." NEVER.
7) Social media may be the blood running through many peoples' veins but it is not necessarily admissible in a court of law, where I would be winning Evan's case so I don't
care much about what anyone has written about him. I would have it precluded from admission to a trial.
Harley
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Happy New Year, Guys. :)
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Havant read back so forgive me Harley, but did you lose the body fat?
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Hey Guys,
I am concerned in that I have not heard from Pellius in quite some time.
Selfishly, I hope this thread has not bored him to departure but more importantly, I hope all is well with him.
I miss his intellectual prodding.
Harley
This by far the most flattering post I've ever read in my over one decade presence on this board. My occasional absence is usually met with indifference if not relief.
Christmas is a huge deal in my family. I come from a family of nine and when you add in the cousins, aunts, uncles, nieces and nephews, as well as family friends it's quite an event. And it's not just a one day event. My uncle has a house that he built himself back in the 1960s with a nice chuck of land and the kids literally camp out in various tents that they bring themselves. And because everyone brings their dogs (as they are considered family as well) there's a good size pack always on constant patrol during the night.
New Years is also insanely a big thing in Hawaii. Despite the fireworks restrictions, this island, except for the rich areas, becomes like a war zone. Literally you can't see more than a few feet as the smoke is so thick. I avoid driving because of the poor visibility.
I use to love fireworks until I had to start buying them myself (at around 12 years old) and then I never understood the appeal and don't care for them at all. The people and neighborhoods least likely to afford them burn the most. Hundreds and dollars up in smoke.
Loud, dangerous, smoke everywhere, just not a fan. Today you get the reports of all the houses that caught on fire, all the injuries, the car accidents, all the property damage... At least no one fires guns in the air like they do when I was in Cali.
But Christmas was great. At one point I was just sitting there telling my brother how we are starting to move up to the top of generation scale. We see, and remember, when we were the kids now singing Christmas Carols, opening presents playing, then the teens trying to seem indifferent and cool, the young parents just beginning their new phase in life, the grand parents, the newly recognized patriarchs and matriarchs to replace the ones that have past in recent years with my father passing a year ago.
Soon it will be us and soon we'll be gone as others take our place.
Such is life.
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My Friend Is Gone:
Dear Friends,
It is with the utmost sadness that I relay to you the passing of my dear friend, Mike Mrkulic. Mike died in a car accident very early this morning on the N.J. Turnpike.
Mike was a very successful stock broker who left Wall Street to create his own Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Academy. While studying Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, Mike displayed a tremendous determination to constantly improve and reach his full potential. His tenacity was always on display when he competed as his list of accomplishments, below, incredibly demonstrates.
But more important than all his medals and all his successful students, is the influence he had over others. His positive outlook on life was refreshingly intoxicating. He refused to accept negativity and made a point of laughing and smiling so that you would have to enjoy your moments with him. Mike wanted you to remember that life was not a struggle, but rather, an opportunity to experience joy and friendship. His emotion was wonderfully contagious.
Mike was the very first person who told me that I could become a World Champion in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and insisted on training me and taking me to Brasil. Well, it took several times but eventually Mike was there both times I was awarded First Place and he was there smiling and standing on the podium next to me for the photos and medal ceremony.
Mike was aware that my brother had passed a very long time ago and yet, he insisted on calling me "Brother" despite already having 2 of his own. I think he knew what that meant to me and that was his way of always making me feel better.
Quite some time ago, Mike asked my help in securing a very fast Lexus for him through my friend who owned the dealership housing this car. I helped Mike in terms of vouching for his character but asked him not to continue to drive so fast. It wasn't just because he was raising both his daughters by himself, but because I didn't want to lose a friend to a pattern of recklessly fast driving which terrified me. He promised me he would slow down. But he didn't.
I represented Mike shortly thereafter in a courtroom where the Judge actually asked Mike, after seeing the plea agreement I arranged from the Prosecutor, "What is your relationship with your attorney because you certainly could not have paid him enough money for this deal?" As we walked out the courtroom, Mike was infectiously laughing during my entire admonishment against continuing to drive so fast.
Some time last winter, Mike came by to see my new Ferrari and proudly told me that he was expecting the arrival of yet another very fast car, an Audi R8. I told him that I wasn't happy to hear this news as I was concerned he would not temper his driving habits. He promised me he would be more careful.
About two months ago, Mike picked me up in the Audi so that I could again represent him in Bay Ridge, N.Y. for driving 92 miles per hour in a 55 mile per hour zone. Just as I had the Prosecutor willing to dismiss the entire matter, the Judge screamed "Are you crazy? Look at this speed" and then set the matter down for June, 2016. Mike seemed stunned even as I tried to explain to him that driving at such speeds is dangerous. He laughed the entire way out of the courtroom and then bought me 2 belts from some street dweller and then laughed the whole way home. I did tell Mike that come June of next year, his father would have to drive us to court as I was too scared to be a passenger while he drives. He smiled proudly, laughed and said he would acquiesce to my, what he perceived as, ridiculous demand.
This past November, I was honored to watch Mike be awarded his Third Degree as a Black Belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu from one of our professors, Vitor Terra who came from Brasil to compete and teach at Mike's academy.
I learned of Mike's passing today and selfishly wondered which car had he been driving during the accident. Shamefully, I was somewhat relieved to learn it was the Audi and not the Lexus for which he needed my assistance to purchase. I then found myself alone in my own car, pulled over in violation of some parking rule, crying to the thought of Mike not laughing any more; not smiling until you yourself had to break out smiling; not reminding me of some crazy moment he and I shared in Brasil just to remind me that life sometimes calls for bizarre or even excessive moments of joyful frivolity.
That is how Mike lived, excessively. He was an excessive friend, He was an excessive teacher. He was an excessive producer of warmth and laughter. Mike knew how to display his appreciation for your friendship. I wish I had told him more often just how much I appreciated him and just what he meant to me.
And now, like so many after thoughts, I wish I had spent more time being rained upon by Mike's jovial nature, his insistence on just simply being a joy to be around. His sunshine is sorely missed.
Deeply,
Harley
Mike's Achievements
1999 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships GI Flyweightt
1999 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships NO-GI Flywt
1999 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships Lightweight GI
2000 Champion-NAGA Matt Madness Lightweight GI
2000 Champion-GQ NYC Grappling Challege NO-GI Lightweight
2000 Champion-Grapplers Quest Kimono Kombat Lightweight
2000 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships "Superfight"
2000 Champion-NAGA-NAGC Flyweight GI
2000 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Championships Flywt NO-GI
2001 Champion-Royler Gracie Championships "Superfight"
2001 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open Lightweight NO-GI
2001 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open Lightweight GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-NJ State Championships Flyweight
2002 Champion-Arnold Classic Gracie World Lightweight Submission
2002 Champion-Copa Atlantica Lightweight Purple Belt
2002 Champion-US Jiu Jitsu Open No-GI Lightweight
2002 Champion-Grapplers Quest World Submission Flyweight
2002 Champion-NAGA-North Amer Grappling Champ Brown/Black Belt Litewt GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships-Master Ltwt NO-GI
2002 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships Adult Flywt NO-GI
2003 Champion-Grapplers Quest World Submission Flyweight
2003 Champion-NAGA-North American Grappling Champships-Adult Flywt NO-GI
2003 Champion-Las Vegas Grappling & Jiu Jitsu Flyweight
2003 Most Technical Fighter-Award Las Vegas Grappling & Jiu Jitsu Championships
2003 Bronze Medalist-Pan American Jiu-Jitsu Championships-SuperFeatherWt
2003 6th place-Abu Dhabi World Submission Wrestling Championships (66kg)
2003 4th place-World Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Championships
2004 Silver Medalist-Abu Dhabi CC Submission Grappling Open, Florida
2005 Bronze Medalist-World Brazilian JiuJitsu Championship Featherweight Division - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2005 Awarded Black Belt-Gracie Humaita Academy; Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
2008 Awarded1st Degree Promotion on Blackbelt
2015 Awarded 3rd Degree Promotion on Blackbetl
Very sorry to hear about your friend. Very inspiring about deciding to leave his Wall Street job and devote his life to Jiu-Jitsu. It's hard for one to grasp, unless you have done it, how fulfilling Jiu-Jitsu is. I was already 31 years old when I started but if I had begun in my teens or twenties I would have made it my life pursuit if I failed as a MMA fighter.
If you are able, what were the circumstances of the car accident?
Worse time of the year for this to happen and my heart goes out to his family.
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Hey Guys,
I have to admit, coming from someone who is quite the bit a loner, this involvement with GetBig is like having a family
on the side but with much less crap to have to deal with.
Advantages of a GetBig family:
1) No ridiculous social obligations to attend
2) Never have to dress up for anything (although I have seen what some of these guys do in their spare time and I care not to comment)
3) No worthless relative asking for money
4) No stupid competition over SAT, MCAT, LSAT, GRE scores
5) No having to stop what you are doing in order to accommodate some stupid chore
All in all, not to bad of an extended family.
Harley
True. But sometimes a test of our character is not how we interact with the people we choose to be in our lives by how we interact with people that are "forced" into our lives like relatives. Most, actually all, of my non-American relatives comes from the Philippines and South East Asia (Laos, Vietnam). We are so different in so many ways. When I see them I see how I would be if my mom didn't get a job as a Stewardess with Philippine Airlines and met my father who was in the military at the time.
For one thing, I'd be way shorter. At nearly 6'2" I'm considered a veritable giant in my family.
One thing that has changed my outlook is having indepth conversations with those that actually lived and experience first hand the Vietnam war and their views of American involvement. This inspired me to do a lot of historic research. Most of my, and others, view of the war came from the media. It's a very different perspective when you are actually there seeing your relatives getting killed and even having a few bullets wounds of your own.
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So Harley, what is your view of the whole concept of "Hate" crimes?
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BTW, though I don't know Evan personally he seems like an OK guy. Certainly no worse than other pro bbers. But I will say this, training in modern commercial gyms today is one of the most frustrating things for someone serious about his training. Back in the 1980s, weight lifting was not mainstream and the only people who took the time to be there were serious by default. Nobody went there to make friends or to socialize. But, ironically, the bonds and camaraderie you made then is not comparable to those today who shut themselves off with head phones and cell phones. I use an Ipod too because most people there I don't want to associate with. But I do miss the days when you can call anybody for a spot or find a workout partner for the night. No need for head phones or cells as the heckling and ball busting was good enough to keep you motivated and in good spirits.
To say I have not wanted to slap a few ass clowns, and would have if provoked, would be an understatement. For the last year I have actually rearranged my entire life schedule just so I can go to the gym and train from 1:00-2:30 am so I can train in relative peace.
I leave the gym invigorated and positive, rather then drained and pissed, even though coming in those hours are though.
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Dear Pellius,
I am thankful you have returned and am surprised that you would be flattered in being missed.
I am sure many of us are thankful that you post your thoughts and take the time to present well thought out and
well written opinions. Whether or not we agree, is quite irrelevant; it is the manner and quality in which the arguments
are presented which matters most.
I admire you ability to deal with family members but it appears that yours are bit more appreciative and grateful than some
others of whom I know. I have disassociated myself from my aunts, uncles and cousins. I can not forgive them for how they treated me
or how they took advantage of my Mom. Even worse, is there lack of kindness after my father's passing. I've told my Mother that I will not
even inform her brother or sister or their children of her eventual passing and funeral. I care not to surround myself with such despicable persons
at what would surely be, the worst moment of my life.
I am preparing to leave for Switzerland today and am quite anxious as I am not very good with airports and flying. My issue is not fear of a crash,
but rather, the enclosed areas as I have claustrophobia (not a great trait for BJJ either).
I do hope the new year finds you and your family enjoying only the very best of everything.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
I am thankful you have returned and am surprised that you would be flattered in being missed.
I am sure many of us are thankful that you post your thoughts and take the time to present well thought out and
well written opinions. Whether or not we agree, is quite irrelevant; it is the manner and quality in which the arguments
are presented which matters most.
I admire you ability to deal with family members but it appears that yours are bit more appreciative and grateful than some
others of whom I know. I have disassociated myself from my aunts, uncles and cousins. I can not forgive them for how they treated me
or how they took advantage of my Mom. Even worse, is there lack of kindness after my father's passing. I've told my Mother that I will not
even inform her brother or sister or their children of her eventual passing and funeral. I care not to surround myself with such despicable persons
at what would surely be, the worst moment of my life.
I am preparing to leave for Switzerland today and am quite anxious as I am not very good with airports and flying. My issue is not fear of a crash,
but rather, the enclosed areas as I have claustrophobia (not a great trait for BJJ either).
I do hope the new year finds you and your family enjoying only the very best of everything.
Harley
Stay safe, Harley.
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Have a great and safe trip. I, too, am a bit claustrophobic but not in a traditional sense. Like I don't freak out during MRIs and such. So it's not being alone in a small space It's being surrounded by a mob that makes me very anxious. Of course I don't like being cramp for comfort reason so being over six feet tall the plane ride is no picnic and the last movie I went to was "Passion of the Christ" so I avoid theatres as well.
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Dear Pellius,
I am thankful you have returned and am surprised that you would be flattered in being missed.
I am sure many of us are thankful that you post your thoughts and take the time to present well thought out and
well written opinions. Whether or not we agree, is quite irrelevant; it is the manner and quality in which the arguments
are presented which matters most.
I admire you ability to deal with family members but it appears that yours are bit more appreciative and grateful than some
others of whom I know. I have disassociated myself from my aunts, uncles and cousins. I can not forgive them for how they treated me
or how they took advantage of my Mom. Even worse, is there lack of kindness after my father's passing. I've told my Mother that I will not
even inform her brother or sister or their children of her eventual passing and funeral. I care not to surround myself with such despicable persons
at what would surely be, the worst moment of my life.
I am preparing to leave for Switzerland today and am quite anxious as I am not very good with airports and flying. My issue is not fear of a crash,
but rather, the enclosed areas as I have claustrophobia (not a great trait for BJJ either).
I do hope the new year finds you and your family enjoying only the very best of everything.
Harley
fuck that is really sad....some people say bloodis always blood but thata bullshit if they cross the lines they dont deserve to be family anymore they are just assholes
Can i ask you what you are goint to do in switzherland? Many americans comfuse that country often with sweden lå
.if i someday will come to newyork i want to have a ride in the corvette 😀
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Harley, I cannot wait to see the pics from Switzerland. Looking forward to it!
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Harley,
I need your hypothetical advice.
So I live in an affluent area, but there is this section we refer to as "rehab row" which has a bunch of seedy ass "motels" rife with riff raff. Unfortunately, I live across the street from them (didn't know until after I signed the lease, sight unseen). Anyway, Amazon.com fucked up a delivery and one of my packages wound up over there. Some ex-marine received the package and was nice enough (or so I thought) to to return the package to my residence.
On Christmas Day no less, this clown shows up at my condo asking for me by my full name! He proceeds to then tell me he wants me to keep an eye out for anyone "opening his front door that isn't him". All of this without leaving a cell phone or any means of contacting him. He later confesses one of his neighbors is a drug courier and is worried about it. Then, to top it all off, this ex-Marine proclaims he's going to change the world with his "writing" and other grandiose bullshit.
Clearly, he has some issues. I'm honestly kind of concerned about it myself.
I don't want to do deal with this shit but I also don't want to set him off. Any advice? Thanks in advance.
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1. I have disassociated myself from my aunts, uncles and cousins.
2. I am not very good with airports and flying. My issue is not fear of a crash,
but rather, the enclosed areas as I have claustrophobia
Harley
Belated Happy New Year to you Harley :)
1. ditto - and don't look back...
2. ditto - and something tells me a guy like you doesn't travel economy/cattle/steerage like me!
Hope the injury is healing well? The 6 weeks must be up soon, if not already. Days will start getting longer, nice time to get back into the groove for 2016...
Best Wishes,
Taf
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Hey Guys,
I am back from Zurich, Switzerland. I had the most incredible time of my life.
Thanks for writing in.
I am going to get to responding to some of your pending questions.
Harley
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fuck that is really sad....some people say bloodis always blood but thata bullshit if they cross the lines they dont deserve to be family anymore they are just assholes
Can i ask you what you are goint to do in switzherland? Many americans comfuse that country often with sweden lå
.if i someday will come to newyork i want to have a ride in the corvette 😀
Dear Kim Jong Bob,
Should you come to the East Coast of America, as I live in New Jersey, which is just 30 minutes from NYC (without traffic), it would be my pleasure to provide
you with a ride in any of my cars which you might fancy. It would be my pleasure.
Harley
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
Should you come to the East Coast of America, as I live in New Jersey, which is just 30 minutes from NYC (without traffic), it would be my pleasure to provide
you with a ride in any of my cars which you might fancy. It would be my pleasure.
Harley
A Gentleman
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Belated Happy New Year to you Harley :)
1. ditto - and don't look back...
2. ditto - and something tells me a guy like you doesn't travel economy/cattle/steerage like me!
Hope the injury is healing well? The 6 weeks must be up soon, if not already. Days will start getting longer, nice time to get back into the groove for 2016...
Best Wishes,
Taf
Dear Taffin,
There was a time when I did travel only First Class in terms of airlines but those days are virtually gone. I did take my Mom and Sister to Las Vegas this past summer and
we did fly first class (it was to provide them with an "Over The Top" vacation as my sister is a school teacher and divorced many years and has never once shown any jealousy in terms of career or
income and I felt she deserved a crazy trip- As far as my Mom who could afford it herself, I took her too as my guest because she is my Mom and deserves that and much more). This flight
was economy but I bought the extra leg room as I am "Wider Than Heath."
My liver injury is apparently all healed and I came back ready to begin serious training. However, I developed 2 different skin infections and just got them both cut into this morning and am
waiting for the lab report to come back in a few days. I don't know if it's staph infection. I had MRSA in 2014, which can be deadly as it is resistant to virtually all anti-biotics.
I begin my serious training next week.
As far as my diet plan which I boldly announced here on the site (and yes, I knew the risk and was subsequently again reminded) the liver injury put an end to that as I couldn't train anything or
do cardio for the past 8 weeks.
However, I did post that I started my diet at 212 pounds before the injury. Today, I awoke at 188 pounds which was quite rewarding as I fit into the new clothes I just recently bought which were
much smaller than what I've had to wear the past several years.
Now, it's time to get in bodybuilding shape!! Just to be clear, for me, that is a model with some muscles. I am 48 years old and will never be big. I have previously discussed some of the reasons for that
which include the ability to be a Good Responder and to be able to digest large amounts of food on a regular basis. I am neither.
All of my training for my 12 week program starting next week will be without my receiving contact in terms of getting punched, kicked or elbowed to the body.
I am excited.
Thanks for asking.
Harley
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24pounds when you have been injured, condisder yourself lucky cause thats just over the getbig dietlimit for when we can mock you 😀
No but seriously thats not bad at all
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Dear Kim Jong Bob,
Thank you for the compliment. I am pleased I look much better but there is much more to achieve.
Harley
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Welcome back, Harley.
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Hey Guys,
I am back from Zurich, Switzerland. I had the most incredible time of my life.
Thanks for writing in.
I am going to get to responding to some of your pending questions.
Harley
Hey Harley, welcome back.
I can relate to your ideals on a lack of interest in getting involved with traditional "family" events.
I too, enjoy getbig and with the recent passing of my mother, I have no immediate family left.
It was a jolt to look at an old Christmas dinner pic when I was 12 yrs old.
I was seated at a large dinner table with my mom, dad, sister and all 4 grandparents.
Now, I'm the only one left.
In my case, I rarely attended any traditional holiday events with family as an adult.
I did visit them all each year during normal times and found that form of interaction a lot more genuine and meaningful.
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Dear Howard,
I hope you find solace and comfort in knowing you were a good son and your mother saw that in you.
Harley
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Harley,
I need your hypothetical advice.
So I live in an affluent area, but there is this section we refer to as "rehab row" which has a bunch of seedy ass "motels" rife with riff raff. Unfortunately, I live across the street from them (didn't know until after I signed the lease, sight unseen). Anyway, Amazon.com fucked up a delivery and one of my packages wound up over there. Some ex-marine received the package and was nice enough (or so I thought) to to return the package to my residence.
On Christmas Day no less, this clown shows up at my condo asking for me by my full name! He proceeds to then tell me he wants me to keep an eye out for anyone "opening his front door that isn't him". All of this without leaving a cell phone or any means of contacting him. He later confesses one of his neighbors is a drug courier and is worried about it. Then, to top it all off, this ex-Marine proclaims he's going to change the world with his "writing" and other grandiose bullshit.
Clearly, he has some issues. I'm honestly kind of concerned about it myself.
I don't want to do deal with this shit but I also don't want to set him off. Any advice? Thanks in advance.
Dear SaintAnger,
I don't have to give you "hypothetical advice" when I can give you my honest opinion.
If all that you said is true on the end of this "Ex-Marine" I would go to the police station and file a "report" which differs entirely from a "charge" or "complaint."
A report simply records your story and remains in the possession of the police. Should there ever be a problem in the future (you may request a restraining order,
you may wish to clear your name from any of his activity or you may need to refer to some proof that you did something to keep out of his business) that report
would serve you well.
If he ever approached me again, I would tell him, "I think it's best you not come by here anymore. I'm ok, thanks. I don't really socialize much."
Harley
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Paterson man, 18, pleads not guilty in September fatal shooting
January 12, 2016, 6:33 PM Last updated: Tuesday, January 12, 2016, 6:40 PM
By KIBRET MARKOS
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Justin Ruiz in court on Tuesday, Jan. 12, 2016, with attorney Harley Breite.
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Justin Ruiz in court on Tuesday, Jan. 12, 2016, with attorney Harley Breite.
An 18-year-old Paterson man pleaded not guilty Tuesday to charges that he shot a man to death in September, as his lawyer warned that the teen has received death threats and urged authorities to protect him.
“My client categorically denies these allegations,” the lawyer, Harley Breite said about Justin Ruiz, as he was arraigned on murder and weapons charges in Superior Court in Paterson.
Passaic County prosecutors said in a Monday press release that Ruiz was being charged with the shooting death of Zahmir Hayes, 21, of Paterson on Sept. 1, 2015. They declined to provide a motive for the killing.
Breite said Ruiz has received death threats on social media since Monday, when authorities announced that they are charging him with Hayes’ murder.
“I would like the state to be on notice of that,” Breite said at the hearing. “I am alerting the state right now that there is a security issue.” Eileen Kane, a Passaic County senior assistant prosecutor, said she will relay Breite’s concern to her supervisors.
Breite also said he will contact officials at the Passaic County Jail, where Ruiz is being held on $1 million bail.
Ruiz showed no emotion at the hearing Monday. A woman who said she was his mother wept as she sat in the back of the courtroom behind Ruiz. Relatives of Hayes sat quietly on the other side of the courtroom.
Breite said after the hearing that he does not know who made the threats against Ruiz but that he will investigate to determine what type of security his client needs.
Hayes was fatally shot while he was sitting in a BMW X3 near the corner of East 22nd Street and 10th Avenue. A witness told The Record at the time that he looked out his window when he heard a gunshot and saw a car with three or four occupants speeding away from the scene, leaving Hayes’ car idling in the middle of the roadway.
Hayes was free on bail at the time and was awaiting trial on attempted murder charges. He was accused of firing a shotgun at three brothers on North Fourth Street in August 2013 and gravely wounding one of them.
Shortly before his killing, however, Hayes was one of nearly two dozen men who were invited as VIP guests to a Fetty Wap concert in Paterson in appreciation for their effort to maintain a truce that reduced shootings among the city’s rival street gangs.
Paterson saw a series of shootings in 2014 and 2015, many of which were the result of a violent rivalry between street gangs in the city’s 1st and 4th wards. There were no killings in the city from mid-July until Hayes’ killing in September, in part because of the truce, officials said.
At the hearing Tuesday, Judge Joseph Portelli kept Ruiz’s bail at $1 million as the case now proceeds to a grand jury for indictment.
Breite said later that he will seek a reduction of the bail. He also said Ruiz has suffered from bipolar disorder since he was diagnosed at the age of 4, and was unable to finish high school because of his psychological condition.
Email: markos@northjersey.com
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Hey Guys,
I could not figure out how to get the picture of me and my client from NorthJerseymedia.com onto this site.
Harley
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Here it is, Big H. Glad to see you back.
(http://www.northjersey.com/polopoly_fs/1.1490005.1452641715!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_650/justin-ruiz.jpg)
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Harley,
I need your hypothetical advice.
So I live in an affluent area, but there is this section we refer to as "rehab row" which has a bunch of seedy ass "motels" rife with riff raff. Unfortunately, I live across the street from them (didn't know until after I signed the lease, sight unseen). Anyway, Amazon.com fucked up a delivery and one of my packages wound up over there. Some ex-marine received the package and was nice enough (or so I thought) to to return the package to my residence.
On Christmas Day no less, this clown shows up at my condo asking for me by my full name! He proceeds to then tell me he wants me to keep an eye out for anyone "opening his front door that isn't him". All of this without leaving a cell phone or any means of contacting him. He later confesses one of his neighbors is a drug courier and is worried about it. Then, to top it all off, this ex-Marine proclaims he's going to change the world with his "writing" and other grandiose bullshit.
Clearly, he has some issues. I'm honestly kind of concerned about it myself.
I don't want to do deal with this shit but I also don't want to set him off. Any advice? Thanks in advance.
To me, it sounds like the guy is asking you to take notice if you see someone breaking into his place. That's all.
You haven't been around much, either, if you're so freaked out by what you've described.
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Welcome back, Harley!
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To me, it sounds like the guy is asking you to take notice if you see someone breaking into his place. That's all.
You haven't been around much, either, if you're so freaked out by what you've described.
Whew! Your post made me feel so much better because I just wasn't getting it.
"asking for me by my full name."
The nerve.
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Harley as a fan of bodybuilding, have you ever thought of specializing in bodybuilding and steroid defense law like Rick Collins?
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Harley as a fan of bodybuilding, have you ever thought of specializing in bodybuilding and steroid defense law like Rick Collins?
That is a brilliant idea! Stop the witch hunt already.
But, now that I think through, bbers for the most part are dirt poor. and Harley's no schmoe.
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Whew! Your post made me feel so much better because I just wasn't getting it.
"asking for me by my full name."
The nerve.
The guy probably isn't the worst neighbor someone could have, by a long way. Maybe he's a little strange, but who isn't?
But if SA is going to let his mind get carried away by it all, Harley's advice is good for him to follow.
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Dear Howard,
I hope you find solace and comfort in knowing you were a good son and your mother saw that in you.
Harley
Thanks for the kind words. In brief, my wife and I were at her side during her last 2 weeks of life.
She brought me into this world and I saw her depart. With us there , she was able to die peacefully in her home .
It was one of the most deeply moving experiences of my life.
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Dear GetBiggers,
I am now 45 pounds (182 lbs.) lighter than I was just one year ago.
I thought that would make me happy. It does make me feel better on many levels but I must admit something.
Immediately since my return from Zurich, I have fallen into a very deep depression for reasons I will not publicize.
I hope you will respect my not revealing the reason.
I wanted to let you know this because if I am gone for a few days I don't want it to appear as if I am ignoring you.
In fact, I am so thankful to guys like Las Vegas and Pellius and all the rest of you. You guys really do give me much
needed support.
I am not embarrassed to admit I am suffering right now from an awfully dark depression and it's not one I can even
confide to my family or most of my closest friends. I am not a perfect person. I am not always strong and sure. I think
that many people are afraid to admit they suffer from bouts of depression.
Well, this isn't the 60's or 70's anymore and I am here now saying that I am suffering from a particular and specific bout
with a very strong and overpowering depression.
While I understand this will diminish how many of you think of me, I prefer to be honest with you and perhaps there is just
one other person out there who feels as if I do who can now admit it and maybe seek some help. Asking for help is something
that us "alpha-males" have trouble doing. If we admit to something that makes us less "big," less tough, less able to beat someone
up, less able to make money then we make ourselves feel as if we have diminished our status and reputation to others.
Well, I am here to say that there are people who need to care about much more than how they are perceived by others. There is
more to life than owning cars and jewelry and being in the newspaper or on the news. You already know that. I just want to say
that while most times it is great possessing material things, sometimes the one thing we need most is taken from us or it won't allow
us to obtain it. Life is often the most cruel irony of all.
I thank you in advance for your understanding and if I am gone for a few days, please know it's only due to my own issue. I will be back.
Sincerely,
Harley
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Well, this isn't the 60's or 70's anymore and I am here now saying that I am suffering from a particular and specific bout
with a very strong and overpowering depression.
While I understand this will diminish how many of you think of me, I prefer to be honest with you and perhaps there is just
one other person out there who feels as if I do who can now admit it and maybe seek some help. Asking for help is something
that us "alpha-males" have trouble doing. If we admit to something that makes us less "big," less tough, less able to beat someone
up, less able to make money then we make ourselves feel as if we have diminished our status and reputation to others.
Dear Harley,
Wish you all the best and that you might overcome this condition as fast as possible.
Yes, while it is hard to admit shortcomings and the like, asking for help etc...
In my book a real alpha although he might hesitate has no problem with that.
Also telling the truth will never dimish anyones "status", infact it should elevate it no matter what the truth.
Then again the real alpha gives a shit about "status" or what other people might think.
Don't worry about your "status".
You are doing very good.
All the best,
OB1
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Dear GetBiggers,
I am now 45 pounds (182 lbs.) lighter than I was just one year ago.
I thought that would make me happy. It does make me feel better on many levels but I must admit something.
Immediately since my return from Zurich, I have fallen into a very deep depression for reasons I will not publicize.
I hope you will respect my not revealing the reason.
I wanted to let you know this because if I am gone for a few days I don't want it to appear as if I am ignoring you.
In fact, I am so thankful to guys like Las Vegas and Pellius and all the rest of you. You guys really do give me much
needed support.
I am not embarrassed to admit I am suffering right now from an awfully dark depression and it's not one I can even
confide to my family or most of my closest friends. I am not a perfect person. I am not always strong and sure. I think
that many people are afraid to admit they suffer from bouts of depression.
Well, this isn't the 60's or 70's anymore and I am here now saying that I am suffering from a particular and specific bout
with a very strong and overpowering depression.
While I understand this will diminish how many of you think of me, I prefer to be honest with you and perhaps there is just
one other person out there who feels as if I do who can now admit it and maybe seek some help. Asking for help is something
that us "alpha-males" have trouble doing. If we admit to something that makes us less "big," less tough, less able to beat someone
up, less able to make money then we make ourselves feel as if we have diminished our status and reputation to others.
Well, I am here to say that there are people who need to care about much more than how they are perceived by others. There is
more to life than owning cars and jewelry and being in the newspaper or on the news. You already know that. I just want to say
that while most times it is great possessing material things, sometimes the one thing we need most is taken from us or it won't allow
us to obtain it. Life is often the most cruel irony of all.
I thank you in advance for your understanding and if I am gone for a few days, please know it's only due to my own issue. I will be back.
Sincerely,
Harley
Harley, it will get better, brother. Just ride out the storm. You can do it.
Once you are 100% with your exercise, and your hormones have something to do, it will all be much more tolerable.
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You are not the only one who has a depresIon on getbig, nothing to be ashamed of. Maybe seek help and talk to a professional maybe can help
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Harley, it will get better, brother. Just ride out the storm. You can do it.
Once you are 100% with your exercise, and your hormones have something to do, it will all be much more tolerable.
That's a decent, supportive reply Las Vegas. I suspect that you, pellius and many others here are decent guys in person. Getbig is like some goofy, virtual field of battle .
I too, can find myself feeling depressed at times. I guess it's normal? I'm glad a smart guy like Harley posted his current dealings on a bout of depression.
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That's a decent, supportive reply Las Vegas. I suspect that you, pellius and many others here are decent guys in person. Getbig is like some goofy, virtual field of battle .
I too, can find myself feeling depressed at times. I guess it's normal? I'm glad a smart guy like Harley posted his current dealings on a bout of depression.
I do think it's normal, Howard. Then if a person's hormones aren't right (for any reason, including age), it might seem impossible to deal with.
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I do think it's normal, Howard. Then if a person's hormones aren't right (for any reason, including age), it might seem impossible to deal with.
Good point on the hormone issues. I'm proud to admit I've been on HRT for the last 10 yrs now.
BUT, I also know it can be from a variety of issues dealing with the ups/downs of "life".
For me, NOT having a goal to go for, can result in self imposed "depression".
I feel the most energetic and alive, when I'm trying to achieve something...anything ;)
I don't personally know Harley, so I can't say what his deal is.
I do know he's a smart, successful , thoughtful man.
Thus, he's going to be introspective and reflect on his "life".
I know you join me in wishing him well, during his inner turmoil, whatever it may be.
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Howard, I don't recall seeing you mention whether you currently work out. Do you? (This isn't a 'do you even lift' question. I know you were a competitive bber)
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Howard, I don't recall seeing you mention whether you currently work out. Do you? (This isn't a 'do you even lift' question. I know you were a competitive bber)
(http://s17.postimg.org/mlu9xwimn/t0009i.jpg)
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Please delete this obviously photoshopped pic of Howard. This is not the thread for this type of B.S. It's one of the few decent, civil and adult threads on this board.
Show a little class.
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Please delete this obviously photoshopped pic of Howard. This is not the thread for this type of B.S. It's one of the few decent, civil and adult threads on this board.
Show a little class.
+1
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Please delete this obviously photoshopped pic of Howard. This is not the thread for this type of B.S. It's one of the few decent, civil and adult threads on this board.
Show a little class.
Thanks . But I thought it was some classic getbig fun crap.
Sadly, it isn't too far off from my current physique LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D
No, I just got back from a decent back and hamstring workout.
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Dear Harley,
I am very sorry to hear about your current struggles. Life is a constant battle and it never ends. Getting out of bed in the morning, fighting traffic, dealing with people, trying to keep body and soul together... And not only does it never end, you never really win in the traditional sense. Life eventually wears you down and you fall apart and die. The best you can do it seems is to make it through with a little of your honor and dignity intact. It's almost like Sysiphus. What a worse punishment could there be then to have all your energies devoted to accomplishing nothing?
But for some, there is meaning, and even nobility, in the struggle, the fight and the suffering.
“I leave Sisyphus at the foot of the mountain. One always finds one's burden again. But Sisyphus teaches the higher fidelity that negates the gods and raises rocks. He too, like Oedipus*, concludes that all is well. This universe henceforth without a master seems to him neither sterile nor futile. Each atom of that stone, each mineral flake of that night-filled mountain, in itself, forms a world. The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”
-- Albert Camus, The Myth of Sysiphus
* "Despite so many ordeals, my advanced age and the nobility of my soul make me conclude that all is well."
-- Sophocles, Oedipus the King
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Thanks . But I thought it was some classic getbig fun crap.
Sadly, it isn't too far off from my current physique LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D
No, I just got back from a decent back and hamstring workout.
Yes, classic GetBig crap. But just not here. You know how fast things can degenerate.
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Yes, classic GetBig crap. But just not here. You know how fast things can degenerate.
True and thanks again.
hey , next leg workout , let's all pledge to do at least 1 set of sissy squats in honor this mythic figure.
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Hey Guys,
Thank you for your kind and thoughtful responses.
Today was a better day. I made it out of my house for a bit.
I am down a bit more in weight but am not concerned about that.
I have decided to finish the 4 cars I am building and sell them. I am also considering
not taking back Tyrone, the pit bull who is in training.
I think I need to make my life a bit less complicated. The struggles seem endless and the rewards don't
always flow from "things", material things. I know how this can sound to people who struggle to just make rent.
Believe me, I am not crying that I don't make enough money (the truth is, no one, even the rich, make "enough")
because I know how fortunate I am even though I am not "rich." I am very comfortable and then is something I don't ignore.
However, some times having more stuff is an impediment. I have clothes I haven't worn in years and not just because I was too fat.
I have 4 watches although I never wear a watch (3 were given to me by my Dad, one I had custom made like an idiot).
Adding a dog to my life would be rewarding in terms of the love I would expect to receive but again, complications and responsibilities
that are not from a human to human bond.
I will never get to use on a regular basis 4 "one-off" custom made cars yet I am almost done building 2 and have the other 2 ready to continue.
It doesn't make sense.
I am 48 years old. My younger, close friend died 2 weeks ago. Glen Frey dies today at 67 from surgery complications. It's so fragile, the time is
not so long.
Now, a particular circumstance has made me re-evaluate my life and what I truly want and it's something unattainable about which I won't speak.
I only mention it this one time and only this time to make the point that NOT EVERYTHING which can be bought brings happiness.
Please, kiss your wives, kiss your kids, call, do not text or email your real friends and say thanks for being there. In the end, it is our relationships
that make us happy.
I hope to feel a bit better soon and again thank you for your kind responses and allowing my diatribes.
Harley
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Great words of life wisdom, thanks for posting them Harley.
I hope you can find a place for personal inner peace and bliss.
I can only share that , for me, having a loving wife, dogs and the gyms are my "center".
I never wanted kids , so I never had 'em, but I understand the love/joy experienced by parents.
You are smart to cut back at this time and my motto has always been ; "small world = much peace".
Yes, you've made a decent living and gotten your 15 min of fame from your legal career.
BUT, your work has helped many people in their own hr of need.
In my opinion, you should EMBRACE the small personal things that bring YOU joy and meaning.
Only YOU know what those things are. My only advice is to revel in them with no excuses.
Often we try to focus on those things that others may praise us for. It's basic human nature to do so.
I wish you well on solving this current inner turmoil.
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In my opinion, you should EMBRACE the small personal things that bring YOU joy and meaning.
Only YOU know what those things are. My only advice is to revel in them with no excuses.
Often we try to focus on those things that others may praise us for. It's basic human nature to do so.
Wise words.
Being thankful even for small things helps a lot.
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Dear Harley,
Although I tend to be a pessimist, have little hope for the future of our country, and believe that the bad, evil and injustice in this world far outweigh the good; I have always been fortunate in that I can't ever remember being depressed ever in my life. Sure I get discourage and I tend to harbor grudges not only with people, but with life circumstances and even with God. I so hate the needless suffering and injustice in this world
I think it was because from an early age it was always pounded into me to be grateful. That no matter how bad I think I have it others have it way worse. My mother, who came from a third world country, use to tell me when I would complain about how bad things are that I have no idea, not the slightest clue, what real suffering is like. That just being born in America put me head and tails above the rest of the world.
I came across this picture over 15 years ago. She got run over by a truck. And because she, through no fault of her own (just like me being born in Hawaii was a gift that I did nothing to earn or deserve), happened to be born in a shit hole of a country and her parents not only couldn't afford a wheel chair but had to come up with something that will enable her to 'walk" to school, something kids here don't do, or like to do, with two good legs. So all they could come with was a flat basketball that was abandon in a pile of trash on the street so that she could drag her stump of a body, all by herself, on a dirt road to her school. And she has to do this everyday. Every damn stinking day.
When I first looked at that picture I got so angry. The type of fury that brings tears to your eyes. That make you look up into the sky and shake your fist. I so hate this world. Of all the possibilities that an omnipotent God could create this is the best he could do? Virtually everything about this world is wrong. So wrong.
Another thing that gave me pause was her face. Her face. She's smiling. Not just some smile that you do when you pose for a pic but a really big, happy, broad smile. In a way, it still made me sad. I don't know why exactly. That despite it all she could still smile. Imagine how things would be if she wasn't crippled? If she wasn't so cursed?
I'm still not sure but what I am sure of was that if she could smile despite it all I have nothing to complain about. I have nothing to be depressed about.
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Good posts, guys.
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Hey Guys,
I first want to thank you for your kind responses and your wonderful PMs. It really helped.
I am feeling quite better today, but not totally right just yet.
I lost 46 pounds since last year and have lost enough fat (and muscle, yes, I know) to now start my real diet to get in shape.
Today, at 183.4 lbs., I have started my diet in attempt to hit 100 % of my best condition. I have 10 weeks, maybe 12 to hit 100%.
I am not exactly sure which date is my target date but it can't be less than 10 weeks from today.
I appreciate all your help and kind words and look to not disappoint this time.
I am ready for constant communications on any and all topics.
Harley
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It's good to see you again, Harley. Glad to know you feel better. I know from your past pics that 100% for you is about 200% of the average person, so it's great to see you're back on track.
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Good Luck Harley.
You are a great man.
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Great to hear you're feeling better.
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Great to hear you're feeling better.
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Hey Guys,
Thanks. Ate 3 times so far (a real miracle for a guy who can eat twice a day and just drink tons of coffee) and did 45 minutes
of cardio.
I will be relying quite a bit on Craig in terms of emotional support, more than usual and will probably drive him crazy asking him
some of the same questions over and over but we are 18 years now Training Partners so it comes with the territory.
Craig will be doing the NY Pro, Puerto Rico and Toronto all at the 212 lbs. division. The good thing is that they are all on consecutive
weekends.
MHP is still shaking things up quite a bit but I hope they keep Craig on as an athlete. It will be curious to see what becomes of Victor Martinez.
Harley
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So you're still on very very low carbs, Harley? (like almost none)
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Dear Las Vegas,
Right now I am not eating any carbs. I am very carb sensitive but being that today is Day 2 of at least a 10 Week Program,
I will have Craig take a look at me this week and tell me if we need to change that.
Having a Pro Bodybuilder helping you is great as it gives me insight into things I would never have known.
For example: Because I am so damn sensitive to carbs, Craig has me eat carbs well before my "Peak Day" so that when we really need
to make a real improvement in my condition, he can deplete the carbs then and it should make for a better effect.
I never would have thought of that.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Right now I am not eating any carbs. I am very carb sensitive but being that today is Day 2 of at least a 10 Week Program,
I will have Craig take a look at me this week and tell me if we need to change that.
Having a Pro Bodybuilder helping you is great as it gives me insight into things I would never have known.
For example: Because I am so damn sensitive to carbs, Craig has me eat carbs well before my "Peak Day" so that when we really need
to make a real improvement in my condition, he can deplete the carbs then and it should make for a better effect.
I never would have thought of that.
Harley
Harley, I'm wondering if such low carbs might cause a bad situation to seem intolerable, mentally. Have you considered that your recent struggle may be related to it?
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Harley, I'm wondering if such low carbs might cause a bad situation to seem intolerable, mentally. Have you considered that your recent struggle may be related to it?
Yeah, I was wondering the same.
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Yeah, I was wondering the same.
I can't imagine trying to do the work Harley does, either, without carbs.
But he's been down this road before on some level, so there's that. This isn't the first time he's gotten into top shape (nh).
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I can't imagine trying to do the work Harley does, either, without carbs.
But he's been down this road before on some level, so there's that. This isn't the first time he's gotten into top shape (nh).
Same.
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Hey Guys,
Thanks very much. I ate a few bad meals this past week so it's not a carb thing.
The next 3 weeks will be quite a challenge for me for personal reasons. I feel as if I can get through the next 3 weeks, I will
be in a very good place.
Well, LOL, Day 2 of the Diet went perfectly. 45 minutes of cardio and just an hour before my last and fifth meal goes down.
I have 10 cases on tomorrow including a trial call for a client who should in no way even consider letting a jury hear his case but he
is irrational. That is a tough day for a lawyer.
However, I have my suit chosen and ironed already (I never do that the night before).
I have my food ready to be heated up in the morning and thrown into plastic containers.
I am sure to get my 45 minutes of cardio done before I go to court (hell, if I am late, who cares? They keep me waiting all the time
and the truth is, that they can't start without me).
Tough day tomorrow but no way am I messing up.
I really appreciate all your positive energy. I certainly don't want to post a bad photo in 10 weeks (although I will NOT be wider than Heath).
Harley
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That sounds good, Harley.
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Hey Guys,
Off to the gym for my first workout on the new 10 Week Diet Program.
I did my 45 minutes of cardio this morning so it's just off to do chest.
Hoping to make it through the next 3 weeks as I mentioned are going to be quite difficult
on a personal level.
Hope you guys are training well.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Off to the gym for my first workout on the new 10 Week Diet Program.
I did my 45 minutes of cardio this morning so it's just off to do chest.
Hoping to make it through the next 3 weeks as I mentioned are going to be quite difficult
on a personal level.
Hope you guys are training well.
Harley
Harley, is this the first real W-O since the injury?
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Dear Las Vegas,
Yes, today was the first real workout since my liver injury on November 3rd.
It ended up being biceps and triceps as I was confused earlier.
Craig is super setting them for the first 4 weeks of his Diet/Training in an effort to burn additional calories.
He has had very god success doing this and he included drop sets today.
We did a set of biceps then rush over and do a set of triceps. That is one set. 3 Sets per each exercise (as it is a super set with drop sets and the
beginning of the Program).
We did 3 different Super Sets in total.
Excellent first day for me.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Yes, today was the first real workout since my liver injury on November 3rd.
It ended up being biceps and triceps as I was confused earlier.
Craig is super setting them for the first 4 weeks of his Diet/Training in an effort to burn additional calories.
He has had very god success doing this and he included drop sets today.
We did a set of biceps then rush over and do a set of triceps. That is one set. 3 Sets per each exercise (as it is a super set with drop sets and the
beginning of the Program).
We did 3 different Super Sets in total.
Excellent first day for me.
Harley
Did it feel like you lost a lot of strength??
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Dear Las Vegas,
Oh sure, I lost a great deal of strength from not training since the first of November but the truth is, I don't care at all.
Given my age (48), I have accepted that I will never be massive or even "big" but I am ok with that. Having a nice lean yet
muscular physique is my goal. I am no, and have never been, a bodybuilder but only a guy who strove to look like one. It's
funny to even write such a preposterous statement but I think you guys especially, understand what I mean.
The only area where weight matters to me is LEGS!!! I can get myself pretty crazy, psyched up and do quite a bit more weight
than would be expected. Leg day is always intense for me. Craig hates Leg Day more than any other day (my least favorite is Back Day).
I do expect to be moving some very heavy weight on legs in about 2 months.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Oh sure, I lost a great deal of strength from not training since the first of November but the truth is, I don't care at all.
Given my age (48), I have accepted that I will never be massive or even "big" but I am ok with that. Having a nice lean yet
muscular physique is my goal. I am no, and have never been, a bodybuilder but only a guy who strove to look like one. It's
funny to even write such a preposterous statement but I think you guys especially, understand what I mean.
The only area where weight matters to me is LEGS!!! I can get myself pretty crazy, psyched up and do quite a bit more weight
than would be expected. Leg day is always intense for me. Craig hates Leg Day more than any other day (my least favorite is Back Day).
I do expect to be moving some very heavy weight on legs in about 2 months.
Harley
HE HATES LEG DAY ,,HIS LEGS ARE HIS BEST BODYPART LOL...
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Dear Las Vegas,
Oh sure, I lost a great deal of strength from not training since the first of November but the truth is, I don't care at all.
Given my age (48), I have accepted that I will never be massive or even "big" but I am ok with that. Having a nice lean yet
muscular physique is my goal. I am no, and have never been, a bodybuilder but only a guy who strove to look like one.
Harley
Hi Harley,
You've already had some excellent philosophical advice (IMHO) from the other guys, so I'd just like to add 2 things that may be relevant to your training:
1. We are nearly the same age, and until last year I hadn't trained in years - but based on my experience, muscle memory is going to be your friend - trust me! You are not starting from scratch - all that work you did in the past will benefit you now, including the fact that your mind-muscle connection is already well developed - you'll see results in weeks not months, even if you can only find time for a top/bottom split each week
2. Be cautious about solely using weight loss as a success factor during this time - at the risk of stating the obvious - if you quickly build/regain muscle while losing fat the scale can play tricks on you - regular measurements of the chest:back ratio can be more telling
Qui languerat sanum :)
Taf
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Under a separate topic regarding, "WHO MET RON?", I mentioned that I had met RON on numerous occasions, but I failed to mention that the most recent occasion was during the recent "OLYMPIA, Meet the Champions", MYSELF and RON and HARLEY and CRAIG and WIGGS managed to gather together and have a decent 20 minute conversation.
During that brief conversation we managed to solve all the world's problems including the impending invasion from outer galaxies and the mysteries of electricity within the 21st century.
It's always a pleasure meeting RON and HARLEY and CRAIG and WiGGs.
Our only regret is that Marty Champion was not present.
Maybe next year!
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Under a separate topic regarding, "WHO MET RON?", I mentioned that I had met RON on numerous occasions, but I failed to mention that the most recent occasion was during the recent "OLYMPIA, Meet the Champions", MYSELF and RON and HARLEY and CRAIG and WIGGS managed to gather together and have a decent 20 minute conversation.
During that brief conversation we managed to solve all the world's problems including the impending invasion from outer galaxies and the mysteries of electricity within the 21st century.
It's always a pleasure meeting RON and HARLEY and CRAIG and WiGGs.
Our only regret is that Marty Champion was not present.
Maybe next year!
Bring some paint thinner and he'll find a way to make it.
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Dear Taffin,
Your advice exactly echoes that of Craig's!!! He always says forget the scale, weight is just a number. You can lose 50 pounds and not change
your "condition." You will just be a smaller version but still fat without muscle.
You are completely correct in my opinion!!!
I mention the weight because at my height of 5 feet 7 inches, I couldn't have possibly looked good at 227 pounds which I was just one year ago.
The weight had to come down so I could at least get to a point where the fat would not completely obliterate any muscle gain.
I agree about the proportions and the actual weight is less important to me than my actual condition.
Craig believes that once I hit the 1.5 hour morning cardio and then the afternoon or evening 1.5 hour cardio session, that will be the finishing
touch on what I was able to do up to that point.
The diet is spot on despite massive hunger pains late at night.
I am not sure why, but I personally believe that when my target date (sometime in April) arrives, I will look better than I EVER looked before and
better than some of the black and white (no homo) photos I posted on this thread a long ways back. I like to say that I looked like a ripped model but
with some more muscle.
I have all the motivation I need, trust me and if I can make it through my anxiety/psychological issues these next 3 weeks, I am home free!!!
Harley
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Hey Guys,
You are going to kill me but here goes:
Every time I hear the song "Day By Day" from Godspell (1970's Broadway play), I feel better.
Try it.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
One of the short term goals I set for myself has been put into motion:
As I may have mentioned, I began attempting to learn how to play piano 7 years ago. I convinced my
parents to let me buy a Concert Grand Piano, brand new for the house, if I lasted with my piano lessons for one
full year.
Well, after a year, I took them to the piano builder and shortly thereafter, we had a brand new Concert Grand Piano.
You might remember that my Dad played 10 instruments, piano especially, by ear, and graduated from the High School
of Performing Arts in NYC (the place they depicted "Fame").
Well, I still suck at piano but I try desperately.
You will now kill me even more so as I admit that I only play romantic songs, no rock, no jazz, nothing but romantic love songs (even if classical).
Well, I have hired a different teacher to work intensely with me on elevating the manner in which I "play" the very first and most important song I
sought out to play. We have a FaceTime Lesson every 48 hours now and he come to my home (he lives in Virginia) once a month now for 8 hours at a
time and we sit and learn to play that song in hopefully, a more beautiful and sophisticated manner. I strive to achieve a higher level of playing this song
on the same day my physical condition hits 100%!!!!
Our first live lesson together is Friday.
Ok, I know it sounds crazy but I am highly motivated and have hit all the marks he set for me so far.
Go ahead, I am ready.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I also wanted to know if you had heard from Pellius.
I hope he hasn't become bored with this thread. I miss hearing from him too.
Harley
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Will you say which song it is, Harley?
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Will you say which song it is, Harley?
Dear Las Vegas,
ONLY if you promise to listen to the version I tell you BEFORE you crush me.
I trust you to keep your word if you agree.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
You are going to kill me but here goes:
Every time I hear the song "Day By Day" from Godspell (1970's Broadway play), I feel better.
Try it.
Harley
I really like it. Thanks for that, Harley. From a Musical that was/is "based upon the Gospel according to Matthew."
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Dear Las Vegas,
Ok, here it is.
But please, take just 3.5 minutes out of your life and listen to it in its ENTIRETY
BEFORE you make a final opinion.
Harley
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-f-UlGN2u1nU/U81GVu6-6GI/AAAAAAAAAKM/JKDoOCsgY8Y/s1600/a-talking-deer-karol-livote.jpg)
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Dear Las Vegas,
Ok, here it is.
But please, take just 3.5 minutes out of your life and listen to it in its ENTIRETY
BEFORE you make a final opinion.
Harley
What about the accompanying music in the background, though? Doesn't it sound empty with just piano?
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Dear Las Vegas,
Ok, here it is.
But please, take just 3.5 minutes out of your life and listen to it in its ENTIRETY
BEFORE you make a final opinion.
Harley
I've heard it before, but didn't know the title.
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Funny about Godspell, though. Can anyone imagine a major production like that, these days? Is there such a thing?
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Lmfao..was looking at the versions of "Day by Day" and this was there.
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What about the accompanying music in the background, though? Doesn't it sound empty with just piano?
Dear Las Vegas,
Excellent point!!! An excellent piano player can fill in some of that sound with good chord work. I can not.
But, I hope to be able to do a very decent job within 10 weeks.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I just finished an 8 hour piano lesson with my Piano Instructor who drove to NJ from Virginia for our lesson.
We got far more accomplished than we both thought. I did have to stop twice to eat (every 3 hours).
It is such a daunting task, trying to play this damned instrument while having no talent that at the end, when he showed me
what was in store for next month's new lesson, I caught an anxiety attack in thinking that I was setting myself up for failure.
As I mentioned, these next 3 weeks are going to be awful for me and I thought it might be good to make some progress on one of my
goals, i.e., learning to play this song in a more sophisticated and beautiful manner. I may have to alter my target date of April to perhaps
July, but I would be alright with that as long as my progress was steady and substantial.
Setting short term goals can be very helpful provided you don't set yourself up for failure. I am trying to achieve quite a few things in the
next 9 weeks (1 week down already) that it can be a bit overwhelming at times.
I caught a bit of a breakdown at the end of the lesson and when it came time to eat again, couldn't keep anything down. I had to try to keep down
a MuscleMilk (40 grams Protein, of course).
Well, I hope you guys are doing well.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I just finished an 8 hour piano lesson with my Piano Instructor who drove to NJ from Virginia for our lesson.
We got far more accomplished than we both thought. I did have to stop twice to eat (every 3 hours).
It is such a daunting task, trying to play this damned instrument while having no talent that at the end, when he showed me
what was in store for next month's new lesson, I caught an anxiety attack in thinking that I was setting myself up for failure.
As I mentioned, these next 3 weeks are going to be awful for me and I thought it might be good to make some progress on one of my
goals, i.e., learning to play this song in a more sophisticated and beautiful manner. I may have to alter my target date of April to perhaps
July, but I would be alright with that as long as my progress was steady and substantial.
Setting short term goals can be very helpful provided you don't set yourself up for failure. I am trying to achieve quite a few things in the
next 9 weeks (1 week down already) that it can be a bit overwhelming at times.
I caught a bit of a breakdown at the end of the lesson and when it came time to eat again, couldn't keep anything down. I had to try to keep down
a MuscleMilk (40 grams Protein, of course).
Well, I hope you guys are doing well.
Harley
Yeah, man. It's easier when you're learning that as a kid.
Something about the things which require both sides of the brain that are more difficult with age (trying it for the first time). But it can be done.
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Dear Howard,
You, sir, are in a great place, seriously.
Harley
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Dear Howard,
You, sir, are in a great place, seriously.
Harley
Thanks Harley and I really do get a kick out of reading all your life adventures.
From the courtroom to the gym, you are one very interesting getbigger.
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Dear Harley, Do you have any experience in internet libel and defamation cases?
If so, what type of "evidence" would one need to build a solid case?
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Dear Harley, Do you have any experience in internet libel and defamation cases?
If so, what type of "evidence" would one need to build a solid case?
Probably actual perpetrators to start with.
"In the case of Shizzo v. mods, the court holds that the plaintiff is a pole smoking imbecile. Case dismissed"
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Probably actual perpetrators to start with.
"In the case of Shizzo v. mods, the court holds that the plaintiff is a pole smoking imbecile. Case dismissed"
But I heard that Harley takes on, the occasional pro boner case.
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Dear Harley, Do you have any experience in internet libel and defamation cases?
If so, what type of "evidence" would one need to build a solid case?
Lmfao!
Whatever happened to Suckmymuscle suing everyone on getbig ???
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Dear Harley, Do you have any experience in internet libel and defamation cases?
If so, what type of "evidence" would one need to build a solid case?
Dear Shizzo,
I do have quite a bit of legal experience in this area.
As you already know, libel is the written defamation of another person published to at least one other person.
It is easy to "show" the actual "libel" but in order to successfully bring an actual legal case, you must be able to
prove "damages." Those "damages" must then be amenable to a quantifiable amount or the jury will award you nothing, yet
still possible find that you were defamed. There are cases where a jury concluded that the person was defamed and yet awarded the plantiff
just $1.00.
I hope this is of help to you.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Today concludes Week One of my Diet Plan. I stuck to the diet and did my cardio and resumed weight training.
My first day of legs yesterday, after not having trained legs since October, saw me doing drop sets and end with squatting
315 for sets of 6 and then 10 reps. I was quite pleased.
My weight dropped from 183.4 to 182.6 but frankly, I am not so much looking at that as getting into shape (condition) is all that
matters. I don't think I changed at all this first week which is expected. Today, as it will be after each successive week, Craig will
look at me and assess any progress (if any) and make any adjustments to my diet.
Having said that, I have, personally, had a most difficult past 3 days. I don't even know how I get out of bed. I just want this depression
and anxiety to go away. All I can think of is that it's either going to be all fine in 2.5 weeks or else.
Thanks for your support.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
I just finished an 8 hour piano lesson with my Piano Instructor who drove to NJ from Virginia for our lesson.
We got far more accomplished than we both thought. I did have to stop twice to eat (every 3 hours).
It is such a daunting task, trying to play this damned instrument while having no talent that at the end, when he showed me
what was in store for next month's new lesson, I caught an anxiety attack in thinking that I was setting myself up for failure.
As I mentioned, these next 3 weeks are going to be awful for me and I thought it might be good to make some progress on one of my
goals, i.e., learning to play this song in a more sophisticated and beautiful manner. I may have to alter my target date of April to perhaps
July, but I would be alright with that as long as my progress was steady and substantial.
Setting short term goals can be very helpful provided you don't set yourself up for failure. I am trying to achieve quite a few things in the
next 9 weeks (1 week down already) that it can be a bit overwhelming at times.
I caught a bit of a breakdown at the end of the lesson and when it came time to eat again, couldn't keep anything down. I had to try to keep down
a MuscleMilk (40 grams Protein, of course).
Well, I hope you guys are doing well.
Harley
Very admirable Harley. I would love to do the same thing with the guitar but don't have the patience.
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Hey Guys,
Today concludes Week One of my Diet Plan. I stuck to the diet and did my cardio and resumed weight training.
My first day of legs yesterday, after not having trained legs since October, saw me doing drop sets and end with squatting
315 for sets of 6 and then 10 reps. I was quite pleased.
My weight dropped from 183.4 to 182.6 but frankly, I am not so much looking at that as getting into shape (condition) is all that
matters. I don't think I changed at all this first week which is expected. Today, as it will be after each successive week, Craig will
look at me and assess any progress (if any) and make any adjustments to my diet.
Having said that, I have, personally, had a most difficult past 3 days. I don't even know how I get out of bed. I just want this depression
and anxiety to go away. All I can think of is that it's either going to be all fine in 2.5 weeks or else.
Thanks for your support.
Harley
That sounds great, Harley. Not enough to cripple you, necessarily (seems like legs are where it really hits home most after a layoff), but you know you'll feel the DOMS and there will be no doubt you're back into the swing of it.
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Dear Las Vegas,
I apologize but I don't know what you meant by "you will feel the DOMS".
I had 1 sweet potato yesterday and I actually lost weight. LOL.
Down to 180.8 which is 47 pounds lighter than last year.
Craig did take a look at me, as he will each week which is the most brutal part of my week.
He feels that I am ahead of where he actually thought I would be after 1 week and I should hit my goal, even if it's in 9 weeks
as opposed to the possible 10 or 11 more.
Today is another tough day so I thank you again for your support and encouragement.
Hey Ronnie Rep, try 15 minutes every third day on your guitar and see if you have fun with it. If you do, you might be
surprised at your new commitment, especially if you don't put pressure on any goal (as I have done).
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Any word from Pellius?
Harley
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nice job Harley...hows the liver?
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The liver is all healed but there is no MMA or contact until I hit my 100%
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Down to 180.8 which is 47 pounds lighter than last year.
Keep up the good work Harley!
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Hey Guys,
Any word from Pellius?
Harley
I'm back. Good to hear about your progress. One thing that kind of got me wondering was that you said somewhere earlier that you can get by on two meals a day. On this diet I think you said that you are eating five to six meals a day.
Why do you eat so often when you are trying to lose weight?
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Dear Pellius,
Great to hear from you. I am glad you are ok.
I am not trying to lose "weight" anymore, but rather, attempting to get into "condition" and add some muscle.
I eat very small meals, 5 times a day, usually drinking 2-3 of them.
Harley
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It's been 2 very bad, awful days in a row. I feel as if everything around me is just black and endless, like a black hole.
"And I'm driving a stolen car
On a pitch black night
And I'm telling myself I'm gonna be alright
But I ride by night and I travel in fear
That in this darkness I will disappear."
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Dear Pellius,
Great to hear from you. I am glad you are ok.
I am not trying to lose "weight" anymore, but rather, attempting to get into "condition" and add some muscle.
I eat very small meals, 5 times a day, usually drinking 2-3 of them.
Harley
I see, I thought for some reason you were trying to get down to 165 lb first before building back up.
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It's been 2 very bad, awful days in a row. I feel as if everything around me is just black and endless, like a black hole.
"And I'm driving a stolen car
On a pitch black night
And I'm telling myself I'm gonna be alright
But I ride by night and I travel in fear
That in this darkness I will disappear."
Sorry to hear that. What made those days so awful? Is it work related or related to your training/dieting?
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It's a personal issue in my private life.
Sometimes, the anxiety freezes me and I don't want to leave my bed.
Pathetic.
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Harley, DOMS is delayed-onset soreness. After that layoff, I'd imagine you felt it.
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Dear Las Vegas,
I started off a bit slowly, except for legs, so I wasn't uncomfortably sore.
Harley
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Well Guys,
I can tell you that tomorrow is either going to be a really good day or it's going to be the site of an awful crash.
Harley
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Well Guys,
I can tell you that tomorrow is either going to be a really good day or it's going to be the site of an awful crash.
Harley
Think positively, Harley. Everything can work out for the best.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Thanks for your continued support during this most difficult time.
Today was as good a day as I could've hoped for.
I still have quite a bit of anxiety but things might be able to improve and I should know
better within the next 3 days.
Thanks so much.
Harley
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Cheesy inspirational quotes make me shudder, but I will say just one thing if I may Harley:
As a lifelong pessimist and user of the psychological approach of 'bullet proofing' (i.e. always expecting the worst), I have come to think that perhaps most of the time - not all of the time - but just enough of the time to matter - things turn out better than we feared.
I sincerely hope this is the case for you with whatever your 'thing' is
Best Wishes as always,
Taf
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Dear Taf,
Much appreciated. I don't claim to be alone in bouts of depression nor do I have any answers.
One day, science is going to help all of us in many more ways but in order to get to that point, this country
and the FDA have to become less myopic and bureaucratic.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
Perhaps advising this young person might give some insight into your own.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=604101.0
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Dear Pellius,
It's great to hear from you.
I don't think I am in any shape to advise anyone as to how to live their life or how to find peace of mind.
I just finished my 45 minutes of cardio and will do legs today. I know Craig won't see any change in me
this week so he will probably increase the cardio to an hour a day which sucks.
I went to the doctor for my sleep apnea. It cost me $850 to rent the machine to take the test.
The test revealed that I stop breathing 189 times per night for a period of 30 seconds each time. They call that
"severe."
I am ordering the machine and mask so that I don't snore which keeps anyone around me awake. Supposedly, I
will also sleep better but I doubt that given that I can't breathe through my nose and a full face mask at night won't
help my claustrophobia either.
I am not doing this to sleep better but only because someone next to me couldn't sleep and I can't afford to have that
create a problem for me.
I didn't much practice piano this week but did a little bit and have a FaceTime lesson later today.
I scheduled some meetings tomorrow night during the Super Bowl as I just can't stand watching that ridiculous game in which
100 million people say "our" team won or loss. Really? Unless you are on the field participating, how do you really get to the point
of being a fanatic and saying "we" won or "we" lost? I just don't get the whole "team sports" issue.
You may criticize bodybuilding for a plethora of things, but, it is truly an individualized sport in which the credit for success or the
blame for failure rests virtually entirely upon the individual himself. Nietzsche would be proud.
Hoping to have a day with less anxiety.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
A brutally crushing leg workout.
I began by super-setting leg curls (hamstrings) with the Butt Blaster (like a hamstring kickback).
Ok, go ahead, say what you want, but how many of you have actually used the Butt Blaster for 12 continuous weeks while dieting?
Well, before you criticize that machine, do just that. So many of the pros use it to get ready for a contest in order to work the
hamstring/glute tie in and to tighten up the butt and hamstrings. I believe in it. Those super sets were really great. I was drenched just
from them.
I then moved onto quads where I did drop sets on the leg extension machine. 4 sets of that and then squatted 315 for a couple of sets.
I was completely spent.
If you really put your mind onto envisioning the muscle while it is working and you can put your hand on the muscle and feel it flex, become tense
and then move and relax, you can really motivate yourself into believing that you can actually change the way you look. I use a great deal of mental
visualization when I train legs. Of course, my pacing up and down before each set of squats and then my screaming just before and during the set
makes some people think I am a jerk but I always ask, "If you are working harder than me, then you can say something to me." The gym is not a social
environment for me and time is too precious an asset to waste by sitting around talking about your favorite quarterback or how much you drank last night.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
It's great to hear from you.
I don't think I am in any shape to advise anyone as to how to live their life or how to find peace of mind.
I just finished my 45 minutes of cardio and will do legs today. I know Craig won't see any change in me
this week so he will probably increase the cardio to an hour a day which sucks.
I went to the doctor for my sleep apnea. It cost me $850 to rent the machine to take the test.
The test revealed that I stop breathing 189 times per night for a period of 30 seconds each time. They call that
"severe."
I am ordering the machine and mask so that I don't snore which keeps anyone around me awake. Supposedly, I
will also sleep better but I doubt that given that I can't breathe through my nose and a full face mask at night won't
help my claustrophobia either.
I am not doing this to sleep better but only because someone next to me couldn't sleep and I can't afford to have that
create a problem for me.
I didn't much practice piano this week but did a little bit and have a FaceTime lesson later today.
I scheduled some meetings tomorrow night during the Super Bowl as I just can't stand watching that ridiculous game in which
100 million people say "our" team won or loss. Really? Unless you are on the field participating, how do you really get to the point
of being a fanatic and saying "we" won or "we" lost? I just don't get the whole "team sports" issue.
You may criticize bodybuilding for a plethora of things, but, it is truly an individualized sport in which the credit for success or the
blame for failure rests virtually entirely upon the individual himself. Nietzsche would be proud.
Hoping to have a day with less anxiety.
Harley
Harley, please keep at the apnea problem until it is solved. There are at least a couple types of "machines" for that, some with constant pressure and some without. There are also different types of masks you can get, and some combination of those things will work for you.
You will feel like a new person when you begin to breathe properly during sleep. Please don't conclude that it's too much of a bother, as so many people do.
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Hey Guys,
A brutally crushing leg workout.
I began by super-setting leg curls (hamstrings) with the Butt Blaster (like a hamstring kickback).
Ok, go ahead, say what you want, but how many of you have actually used the Butt Blaster for 12 continuous weeks while dieting?
Well, before you criticize that machine, do just that. So many of the pros use it to get ready for a contest in order to work the
hamstring/glute tie in and to tighten up the butt and hamstrings. I believe in it. Those super sets were really great. I was drenched just
from them.
I then moved onto quads where I did drop sets on the leg extension machine. 4 sets of that and then squatted 315 for a couple of sets.
I was completely spent.
If you really put your mind onto envisioning the muscle while it is working and you can put your hand on the muscle and feel it flex, become tense
and then move and relax, you can really motivate yourself into believing that you can actually change the way you look. I use a great deal of mental
visualization when I train legs. Of course, my pacing up and down before each set of squats and then my screaming just before and during the set
makes some people think I am a jerk but I always ask, "If you are working harder than me, then you can say something to me." The gym is not a social
environment for me and time is too precious an asset to waste by sitting around talking about your favorite quarterback or how much you drank last night.
Harley
I've noticed that by staring at a fixed point during sets (it can be anything, including what I use at home which is a rivet on a toolbox, lol), it will amp up the concentration like nothing else.
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Btw, anyone know why the GB site traffic has been so slow?
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I haven't had much free time to read anything but this most recent 'page' and I hope you all don't mind if I butt in and offer a few comments which may be a bit off subject; but since I had the privilege of meeting Harley (along with Craig and Wiggs and Ronand numerous passer-byers), I don't think he'll send the pose.
TEFFIN, You mentioned 'bullet proofing' (i.e. always expecting the worst), someplace above up there and ONCE UPON A TIME NOT TOO VERY LONG AGO we referred to that term as CONTINGENCY PLANNING which may still be the common term used within he Corps today.
Contingency planning has been a major modus operandi since those good old days when my DI informed me that the use of toilet paper is just another way of painting your ass with shit ... so an immediate shower after taking a dump has also been an aquired modus operandi.
But the proper procedure of planning my day in the event that anything can go wrong is a major problem for those involved within my daily activities.
In most cases Contingency Planning drives them crazy .... but that merely tells me that they have never been in a combat situation.
HARLEY ... I also suffer from SLEEP APNEA, and my VA doc sent me to what I call "SLEEP CAMP" where they wired me up and told me to go to sleep and woke me up constantly to see if I was sleeping and then took all the wires off and sent me on my way about 0430 in the morning.
Eventually I got that mask and that sleep machine, but when it arrived the dog ate my mask and the machine still sits on the top shelf of my closet.
Are you aware that there is a computer chip in that machine that records some sort of historical data of your sleep activity?
All that had to do was my apnea was free but I recently had to have my toe nails cut by a podiatrist because of some toenail fungus I've been having problems with.... and since I could not schedule a VA appointment in a timely manner, I used my second free insurance policy and saw a 'civilian' podiatrist who cut my toenails which took about 10 minutes or less.
That toenail 'service' cost the insurance company $2,000 and I had to pay something called a 'co-fee' of $50.
No wonder medical service is so screwed up here in the USA .
HARELY, I am still reading your grandfather's book and I find it extremely interesting. Thanks for your recommendation.
BUT ...that damn dog again! He chewed the front over off of it.
But it's still readable and I intend to pass it on to others who will feel the same way I do about it.
SORRY, but one las thing ..... I've been through a lot of days within my lifetime ....and to be perfectly honest I can only recall about three days within all those years outside of the death of loved ones where I've felt less than "happy".
(I honestly believe that that is a part of my inherent 'insanity'.)
And for some unknown reason I also had two very mild cases of anxiety attacks which disappeared immediately after I ran around once the block.
My anxiety experiences were mild and I have no idea of why they even occurred ... but I have had a couple of friends who attempted suicide during sever cases.
Sorry about all the above but I had some unknown need to butt in.
Yada, yada, yada.
Harely, my best to you in all your endeavors. You are a credit to the legal profession.
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LAS VEGAS, I gotta thank you for your APNEA comment you just posted.
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Dear Stuntmovie,
I never mind any of your comments as they are always well-intentioned and insightful. You have led quite the full life
and there is much to be learned from your experiences.
Dear Las Vegas,
I am getting the machine after the doctor reviewed my test results which I think I had posted. For me, I could care less but
just most recently, I had to take notice that someone sleeping next to me couldn't sleep and I wasn't willing to risk losing that person for anything so I
immediately, upon my return from Switzerland, I sought to resolve the problem.
Perhaps I have said too much.
Harley
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Dear Stuntmovie,
I never mind any of your comments as they are always well-intentioned and insightful. You have led quite the full life
and there is much to be learned from your experiences.
Dear Las Vegas,
I am getting the machine after the doctor reviewed my test results which I think I had posted. For me, I could care less but
just most recently, I had to take notice that someone sleeping next to me couldn't sleep and I wasn't willing to risk losing that person for anything so I
immediately, upon my return from Switzerland, I sought to resolve the problem.
Perhaps I have said too much.
Harley
No, you need to take it seriously for every reason and no matter what else is happening. It beats the living hell out of a body, and over the course of time it will destroy and kill a person.
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Dear Las Vegas,
I appreciate that but believe me, the reason to which I alluded is more than enough reason for me to hook up to the
machine to stop the snoring.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I appreciate that but believe me, the reason to which I alluded is more than enough reason for me to hook up to the
machine to stop the snoring.
Harley
If you find that ceases to exist, though, you still have all the reason in the world to do it.
But in any case, please don't get discouraged if the first configuration doesn't work. Many people just throw them up on the shelf in the closet and forget about the whole thing at that point (you see our very own Stuntmovie decided to do that with his, which is a little surprising), but that won't help anything get better. It's just too important to be dismissed.
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Dear Las Vegas,
I am genuinely touched by your concern as to my sleep apnea.
Believe me, I intend to have the correct mask and become accustomed to wearing it.
As far as "the reason to which I alluded" I had an excellent day today and I feel today, the best
I have felt in a several weeks.
There is promise that tomorrow will be another excellent day so I am hopeful that I will soon be
returning to my normal self.
Harley
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I've heard this new thing advertised lately.
https://www.inspiresleep.com/what-is-inspire-therapy/how-inspire-therapy-works/
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I've heard this new thing advertised lately.
https://www.inspiresleep.com/what-is-inspire-therapy/how-inspire-therapy-works/
That is really interesting, L. I like how it uses a different method, which provides hope to people who have given up on the air machines.
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Hey Guys,
I picked up a case today which has been gaining quite some media attention.
I was already interviewed tonight at my office by Channel 41 (Spanish Channel) which airs tonight at 11:00 pm but I am
not sure I can even find it. And yes, I spoke Spanish and English.
Tuesday, after I turn this kid in to the police, there is a huge Press Conference with every news station and media outlet
ready to place their microphone at the podium outside as I leave the Police Station.
Harley
Teen charged in Paterson 'knockout' assault to surrender
February 7, 2016, 10:39 AM Last updated: Sunday, February 7, 2016, 6:29 PM
By Linda Moss
staff writer |
The Record
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PATERSON — A 17-year-old wanted for allegedly punching and knocking out an elderly unsuspecting victim, an assault that was recorded and went viral on social media, plans to surrender to city police on Tuesday, according to the youth’s lawyer.
Attorney Harley Breite said Sunday that he had been retained by the suspect’s family. Breite has reached out to Paterson police to arrange for his client to turn himself in at noon Tuesday at city police headquarters.
Breite said he was waiting until Tuesday to turn in his client, the 17-year-old suspect, because he needs time to prepare the youth for “for a safe surrender.” He added that the teenager’s family had contacted him on Sunday.
Related: Police investigate video showing 'knockout' assault in Paterson
“I’d like to thank Lieutenant Navaro of the Paterson Police Department for his courtesies and cooperation in allowing me to turn in my client,” Breite said.
The lawyer added that he planned to enter a not guilty plea on behalf of the teenager, who lives in Paterson, to charges of aggravated assault and endangering an injured victim.
The youth, who allegedly struck the victim in the face, is one of two city juveniles charged with being involved in the attack. The second youth, a 16-year-old who allegedly recorded the assault and “is heard encouraging the aggressor,” turned himself in to Paterson police at 5 p.m. on Saturday night, according to a press release issued Sunday morning by City Police Director Jerry Speziale.
In that statement, Speziale said that police were searching for a 17-year-old, who they identified after an investigation that started last Thursday when police became aware of the video, which Speziale said was posted on Facebook. The video went viral.
“It is unfair for anyone to draw a conclusion without knowing what precipitated the events caught on video,” Breite said.
In the video, laughter can be heard in the background as the elderly man is seen being punched in the face by a male juvenile. The victim was left lying on the street, apparently unconscious. The assault, which took place on Dec. 7, “occurred without provocation, as the elderly man was getting ready to cross Rosa Parks Boulevard from Van Houten Street,” Speziale’s press release said.
The attack depicted in the video appears similar to that of what has been termed the “knockout game,” where someone punches an unsuspecting victim in an attempt to knock him or her out and records the incident on video, which is then posted on social media.
"This shameless act of violence was thoroughly investigated and the tireless efforts by the detectives involved is commendable," Speziale said in his press release. "No stone was left unturned in identifying those responsible. The juvenile at large will continue to be sought with the same tenacity and will face swift and decisive justice for this senseless act of violence."
Breite said that the 17-year-old is not a flight risk.
“If I say he’s coming in, he’s coming in,” the lawyer said. “He’s 17 years old. He has no money and no means to flee, and his family has retained me as private counsel. Why would he flee?”
The youth’s alleged accomplice was charged with aggravated assault and endangering an injured victim.
Paterson police got a call about the video from a media outlet on Thursday, then the department began its investigation.
“Detectives assigned to the Paterson Police Juvenile Division followed a countless number of tips and went through countless records, leading to the identification of the assailant,” the press release said.
Speziale commended Detectives Charlie Garcia, Joel Santiago, Mike Figueroa, Cindy Carrera and Jeff Robinson for their non-stop work on the case since Thursday.
Email: moss@northjersey.com
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This may be the video that started the investigation.
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Dear Las Vegas,
That is the video in question.
Last night, my channel 6, the Spanish Channel ran the interview.
Tomorrow will be a media frenzy.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
That is the video in question.
Last night, my channel 6, the Spanish Channel ran the interview.
Tomorrow will be a media frenzy.
Harley
Interest is building big on this one.
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Lock him up.
6 months min.
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Harley, If you win that one, you could turn out to the 'finest' barrister within the legal 'game'.
If I had witnessed that personally, you'd have an additional client, but in my case it would have been a murder rap.
My hatred for this kid is somewhat extreme and I find it amazing (commendable???) that you could even represent this kid.
I hope your legal fee is as extreme as my hatred toward this individual is!
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Harley, If you win that one, you could turn out to the 'finest' barrister within the legal 'game'.
If I had witnessed that personally, you'd have an additional client, but in my case it would have been a murder rap.
My hatred for this kid is somewhat extreme and I find it amazing (commendable???) reprehensible that you could even represent this kid.
I hope your legal fee is as extreme as my hatred toward this individual is!
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I believe Harley will have a positive influence on him.
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I believe Harley will have a positive influence on him.
Most likely.
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It's possible that Harley could have a positive influence on this punk but if I was sitting as the judge in this case, no matter what the defense may be, I would find this punk GUILTY and sentence him to 30 days on that same street corner and sell raffle tickets to everyone who would want to win the right to sucker punch this punk.
There would be three winners each day so over the next 30 day period this punk would go down 90 times regardless of his physical condition.
This might deter this shit that seems to be so popular today.
OH yea! ... The raffle ticket proceeds would be given to the old guy who we saw go down in the video.
If Harley gets him off somehow (which appears to be impossible), we will be seeing this sort of shit going on without end.
Can anyone possibly give Harley some good defense ideas that might allow this punk to get off scott-free?
Ditto for the punk who took the video!
Let's "hang him" also!
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Dear Princess L,
You are most certainly entitled to your opinion.
Perhaps you might watch tomorrow's Press Conference and learn a bit more about this "punk" and
think just slightly differently as to how we punish/rehabilitate a kid with his issues who just turned 18 years of age.
Harley
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Harley, If you win that one, you could turn out to the 'finest' barrister within the legal 'game'.
If I had witnessed that personally, you'd have an additional client, but in my case it would have been a murder rap.
My hatred for this kid is somewhat extreme and I find it amazing (commendable???) that you could even represent this kid.
I hope your legal fee is as extreme as my hatred toward this individual is!
Dear Stuntmovie,
What do you mean by "if you win that one..."?
You meant to say, "When you win that one".
Harley
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Harley, if I was videotaped stomping the shit out of your "client", would you defend me?
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Harley, if I was videotaped stomping the shit out of your "client", would you defend me?
Dear Chaos,
If you paid my fee, all up front and in cash, why yes, I would be honored to represent you pertaining
to the completely false charges levied against you despite some video of which we have no way to corroborate
its authenticity in terms of never having been edited, what prompted the video or its chain of custody.
Harley
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Dear Princess L,
You are most certainly entitled to your opinion.
Perhaps you might watch tomorrow's Press Conference and learn a bit more about this "punk" and
think just slightly differently as to how we punish/rehabilitate a kid with his issues who just turned 18 years of age.
Harley
Going for the window licker defense huh?
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Dear Princess L,
I am not familiar with that defense.
Whatever becomes of this case, at least you will be comforted knowing that it was handled by
the best criminal justice system in the entire free world, despite its numerous flaws.
Harley
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Dear Stuntmovie,
What do you mean by "if you win that one..."?
You meant to say, "When you win that one".
Harley
I like your style, Harley.
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PATERSON - The teen charged in an unprovoked attack seen in a video widely shared on social media plans to surrender to police Tuesday, his attorney said.
The teen, who was 17 at the time of the attack, plans to turn himself in at 12 p.m. at Paterson Police Headquarters on Broadway.
Harley Breite, his attorney, said his client felt turning himself in would be best for himself and his family.
"It's the right thing to do," Breite said.
The video shows the teen punch an elderly man in the face on Dec. 7, Paterson Police Director Jerry Speziale has said. He's charged with aggravated assault and endangering an injured victim.
The person who took the video, a 16-year-old, turned himself in on Saturday to face the same charges, Speziale said. Their names have not been released because they were minors at the time of the alleged attack, though Breite said his client has since turned 18.
Breite said the teen would plead not guilty to the charges.
"He's nervous, but anxious to begin the process to have all of the truth come out," he said.
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Getbig's own Harley Breite.
(http://www.northjersey.com/polopoly_fs/1.1508544.1455040490!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_650/020916kristiangonzalez-jpg.jpg)
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Kristian Gonzalez, 18, who is accused of punching and knocking out an elderly man on a city street turned himself in to city police at their headquarters at noon. The attack, which happened in December, appeared to have been planned in a video that went viral on the Internet.
Gonzalez showed up in a black hoodie with his lawyer, Harley Breite, and a media scrum followed him to the police department doorsteps.
Breite said Gonzalez is schizophrenic and had attention deficit disorder. He takes 20 milligrams daily of Abilify, an anti-psychotic drug, and 1,000 milligrams daily of Depakote, an anti-convulsant. He was being processed for arrest and was to be taken to a juvenile detention center, Breite said. No court date has been set.
He is charged with aggravated assault and endangering a victim.
Breite said the defendant has the support of his mother, father and brother. He “knows” the person who shot video of the attack, who Breite said provoked him. That person, a 16-year-old, reportedly turned himself in to police last week.
Breite denied Gonzalez was participating in what’s known as the “knockout game.”
“I don’t think my client was entertaining anything in terms of a game,” he said.
Gonzalez, who turned 18 in December, attends Great Falls Academy, the lawyer said. It’s not clear whether prosecutors will charge him as a juvenile, he said.
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Busy busy busy day for Harley.
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PATERSON - The teenager charged in an attack caught on video widely shared on social media turned himself in to police Tuesday.
Kristian Gonzalez, 18, is the alleged attacker in a video showing a teen punching an elderly man in the face on Dec. 7. He's charged with aggravated assault and endangering an injured victim.
Gonzalez, a Paterson resident, has psychological issues, including diagnoses for schizophrenia, obsessive defiant disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, said his attorney, Harley Breite. Gonzalez takes medication daily for those issues.
The video does not contain all the facts, Breite said.
"You clearly see something on the video but we don't know what provoked that incident," he said. "We don't have the entire video. We don't know if that video's been edited."
The facts would come out during the court process, Breite said.
Gonzalez was 17 when the video was taken. He turned 18 in late December. He should be charged as a juvenile, Breite said.
"If the prosecutor's office intends to raise it to an adult level that's their decision and something we will fight all the way," he said.
The Passaic County Prosecutor's Office did not immediately say whether it would try Gonzalez as an adult.
Gonzalez attends Great Falls Academy, a Paterson public school whose mission statement is to "operate as a refuge for disenfranchised high school students who were unsuccessful in reaching required academic/behavior goals in a general education setting."
He has no criminal history, Breite said.
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Dear Las Vegas,
Is there a way I can cut and paste that actual video clip into the body of an email?
I, of course, tried but failed.
Thanks so much.
Harley
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Need first to download it using something like:
http://www.clipconverter.cc/
(Just paste the youtube link and click "Download" on that page.)
then attach the actual downloaded file to your mail.
If the file size is too large to use for an attachment simply try a lower resolution/size.
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Anything to avoid responsibility. ::)
Useless to society, lock him up.
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Dear OB 1,
Would you please be so kind as to post the YouTube link for me?
I know I am a computer idiot but I try to make up for it in other ways.
Thanks so much.
Harley
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Dear OB 1,
Thank you so much. I really appreciate that.
All you guys are very nice and patient.
Harley
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Dear OB 1,
Thank you so much. I really appreciate that.
All you guys are very nice and patient.
Harley
You're welcome.
I appreciate what you are doing also.
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Dear OB 1,
I would do all I can for you guys.
You guys have been very supportive to me.
I should mention that my personal situation is very much better
and that I am planning another trip overseas in the very near future
so all is looking so much better.
Harley
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Dear OB 1,
I would do all I can for you guys.
You guys have been very supportive to me.
I should mention that my personal situation is very much better
and that I am planning another trip overseas in the very near future
so all is looking so much better.
Harley
Dear Harley,
Glad to hear.
:)
OB1
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Harley, you can send the link in email, too. Might be better than trying to attach it (because of size), but go ahead and give it a shot. It might work great, depending upon where it's going. Some email programs would allow it, I'm sure.
But the recipient can simply click on a link and go right to it in its normal resolution.
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Harley, you can send the link in email, too. Might be better than trying to attach it (because of size), but go ahead and give it a shot. It might work great, depending upon where it's going. Some email programs would allow it, I'm sure.
But the recipient can simply click on a link and go right to it in its normal resolution.
Yes that will be easier.
But he wanted to send the actual video if I remember correctly.
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Yes that will be easier.
But he wanted to send the actual video if I remember correctly.
I know. No reason he can't give it a go, but the recipient would probably do best to simply click the link.
If Harley could say the exact email programs that would be used (to send and receive), then it might become apparent whether it would work for sure.
Otherwise, for all we know, the recipient will go through a bunch of trouble for nothing.
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I know. No reason he can't give it a go, but the recipient would probably do best to simply click the link.
If Harley could say the exact email programs that would be used (to send and receive), then it might become apparent whether it would work for sure.
Otherwise, for all we know, the recipient will go through a bunch of trouble for nothing.
I favour the link method also.
Less hassle.
But it depends on youtube service.
Having the actual video can also be of value.
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I favour the link method also.
Less hassle.
But it depends on youtube service.
Having the actual video can also be of value.
Yes, Harley should have his own copy of every video that shows him or mentions him in any way. I completely agree.
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PATERSON - The teenager charged in an attack caught on video widely shared on social media turned himself in to police Tuesday.
Kristian Gonzalez, 18, is the alleged attacker in a video showing a teen punching an elderly man in the face on Dec. 7. He's charged with aggravated assault and endangering an injured victim.
Gonzalez, a Paterson resident, has psychological issues including diagnoses for schizophrenia, obsessive defiant disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, said his attorney, Harley Breite. Gonzalez takes medication daily for those issues.
The video does not contain all the facts, Breite said.
"You clearly see something on the video but we don't know what provoked that incident," he said. "We don't have the entire video. We don't know if that video's been edited."
The facts would come out during the court process, Breite said.
Gonzalez was 17 when the video was taken. He turned 18 in late December. He should be charged as a juvenile, Breite said.
"If the prosecutor's office intends to raise it to an adult level that's their decision and something we will fight all the way," he said.
The Passaic County Prosecutor's Office did not immediately say whether it would try Gonzalez as an adult.
Gonzalez attends Great Falls Academy, a Paterson public school whose mission statement is to "operate as a refuge for disenfranchised high school students who were unsuccessful in reaching required academic/behavior goals in a general education setting."
He has no criminal history, Breite said.
So he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions? Making excuses for the inexcusable? If this is the behavior we can expect from this thug out among society while under medication, then he is a danger to society and should be remanded to an institution before someone gets killed.
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So he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions? Making excuses for the inexcusable? If this is the behavior we can expect from this thug out among society while under medication, then he is a danger to society and should be remanded to an institution before someone gets killed.
Of course medication is no excuse.
Crime is crime and should be punished as such.
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So he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions? Making excuses for the inexcusable? If this is the behavior we can expect from this thug out among society while under medication, then he is a danger to society and should be remanded to an institution before someone gets killed.
No, I think it's a matter of trying to see the whole picture for what it is. That's all.
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No, I think it's a matter of trying to see the whole picture for what it is. That's all.
Also, Harley is a defense attorney. His job as he's stated before is to provide the best defense he possibly can.
That is what makes the US judicial system the best in the world.
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Yes, Harley should have his own copy of every video that shows him or mentions him in any way. I completely agree.
Harley, if you don't already have this going on, let me know and I'll tell you the simplest way to do it.
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Also, Harley is a defense attorney. His job as he's stated before is to provide the best defense he possibly can.
That is what makes the US judicial system the best in the world.
I have very little (or no) doubt the guy is mentally ill. That was my very first impression when I saw the video (the way he moved, looked, spoke), so it wasn't much of a surprise for me to read the news today.
Personally, I'm glad Harley is the one representing him. I feel confident that everything has the greatest chance of working out for the best.
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I hope the little fucker gets the maximum. If that was my grandfather he'd have never made it to turn himself in.
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I hope the little fucker gets the maximum. If that was my grandfather he'd have never made it to turn himself in.
I've never met your granddad, but for some reason I'd picture him ripping off the guy's arm and beating and chasing him with it.
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Just have faith in it. Everything will work out as it should.
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I hope the little fucker gets the maximum. If that was my grandfather he'd have never made it to turn himself in.
Understandable reaction.
I probably would be the same way with my grandfather. Totally get you.
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Harley, It's evident that you are very appreciated on this GETBIG board and you can include me in that appreciation group.
Would it be possible for you to answer some questions which may be of interest to all?
1. In your opinion what were the main few reasons why/how O.J. Simpson beat the murder charges? The easy answer would be, "Because he was innocent.", but the vast majority of people believe him to be otherwise.
Are the vast majority of people mistaken?
2. Are defense attorneys somewhat 'disliked' by prosecuting attorneys or others professionally involved within the legal field?
3. What is your preference as a defense attorney? Trial by judge or trial by jury. (And which is the more lenient?)
4. Are statistics available showing the preference of either of the above?
5. Is there a legal 'agency' which keeps records of your wins and losses?
Would it be proper/polite to ask for your wins/losses?
6. Is there a Lawyers "Governing Board" which oversees the acts and procedures used by lawyers? (In and out of court?)
7. Did you ever get involved in a case in which the judge fell asleep or simply ignored the ongoing process?
8. Is there any situation in which you would refuse to act as an individual's defense attorney.
9. What is your personal opinion of an individual's responsibility for his own actions? (It appears that individuals manage to blame others or society of drugs nowadays? It was totally different when I wad a kid growing up!)
10. Can a defense attorney outright 'lie' in the defense of his client? Or simply stretch the truth a little bit? Or simply allow his client to lie during the court proceedings?
11. This one may be too damn personal to have you answer BUT ... How many obviously guilty individuals did you defend who managed to get off scott free?
12. Do you have any clients on death row?
Sorry for some of these more than personal questions, Harley!
Best regards, STUNT
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SAW HARLEY ON TV LOCAL NEWS NJ WITH THE ACCUSED.LOOKING SPIFFY AND THINNER...I MUST SAY..
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Dear NJ Flex,
Thank you.
Channel 12 New Jersey News and ABC filmed me today but I haven't seen it nor can I find it, of course.
Harley
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Dear NJ Flex,
Thank you.
Channel 12 New Jersey News and ABC filmed me today but I haven't seen it nor can I find it, of course.
Harley
LOL..SAW IT LAST NIGHT ON NJ12
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They came and filmed me today again and ABC as my client made his First Appearance in court.
I advised my court that both my client and myself have received numerous threats against both our
lives as a result of this case.
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http://newjersey.news12.com/multimedia/video-defense-attorney-harley-breite-news-conference-1.11452573
You can get the actual video using this site:
http://en.savefrom.net/
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Dear OB 1,
Thanks for the link.
Each day I receive more and more threats to my safety.
Someone even wrote me that the guy on the corner should've been my father or mother.
People actually want me dead (again) for taking this case.
I never said that what happened wasn't repugnant. I just figured that people in America
would at least be comforted to know that we have a system in place designed to ensure fairness
and justice so why don't they think my client will get what he deserves?
I think wishing someone and their family dead is far beyond what is reasonable.
Well, maybe I will just move to Switzerland and live in bliss.
Harley
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Dear OB 1,
Thanks for the link.
Each day I receive more and more threats to my safety.
Someone even wrote me that the guy on the corner should've been my father or mother.
People actually want me dead (again) for taking this case.
I never said that what happened wasn't repugnant. I just figured that people in America
would at least be comforted to know that we have a system in place designed to ensure fairness
and justice so why don't they think my client will get what he deserves?
I think wishing someone and their family dead is far beyond what is reasonable.
Well, maybe I will just move to Switzerland and live in bliss.
Harley
I would guess that your depression is a direct manifestation of your subconscious disagreeing with your career choice.
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Dear Harley,
you're welcome.
Having received death treats myself I know it will make you feel uncomfortable.
It's best to not give in to fear and go on stronger and more determined than ever.
"If you are being criticized, you are doing something right. Only who has the ball gets attacked."
(Bruce Lee)
All the best.
OB1
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I would guess that your depression is a direct manifestation of your subconscious disagreeing with your career choice.
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I would imagine you could only defend so much scum before it started affecting your subconsciousness.
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I would imagine you could only defend so much scum before it started affecting your subconsciousness.
Probably.
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Harley, It's evident that you are very appreciated on this GETBIG board and you can include me in that appreciation group.
Would it be possible for you to answer some questions which may be of interest to all?
1. In your opinion what were the main few reasons why/how O.J. Simpson beat the murder charges? The easy answer would be, "Because he was innocent.", but the vast majority of people believe him to be otherwise.
Are the vast majority of people mistaken?
2. Are defense attorneys somewhat 'disliked' by prosecuting attorneys or others professionally involved within the legal field?
3. What is your preference as a defense attorney? Trial by judge or trial by jury. (And which is the more lenient?)
4. Are statistics available showing the preference of either of the above?
5. Is there a legal 'agency' which keeps records of your wins and losses?
Would it be proper/polite to ask for your wins/losses?
6. Is there a Lawyers "Governing Board" which oversees the acts and procedures used by lawyers? (In and out of court?)
7. Did you ever get involved in a case in which the judge fell asleep or simply ignored the ongoing process?
8. Is there any situation in which you would refuse to act as an individual's defense attorney.
9. What is your personal opinion of an individual's responsibility for his own actions? (It appears that individuals manage to blame others or society of drugs nowadays? It was totally different when I wad a kid growing up!)
10. Can a defense attorney outright 'lie' in the defense of his client? Or simply stretch the truth a little bit? Or simply allow his client to lie during the court proceedings?
11. This one may be too damn personal to have you answer BUT ... How many obviously guilty individuals did you defend who managed to get off scott free?
12. Do you have any clients on death row?
Sorry for some of these more than personal questions, Harley!
Best regards, STUNT
Holy Crap! Harley might as well write a book, "My Life as a Defense Attorney".
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I would imagine you could only defend so much scum before it started affecting your subconsciousness.
Hmmm.
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"Breite denied Gonzalez was participating in what’s known as the “knockout game.”
“I don’t think my client was entertaining anything in terms of a game,” he said."
Dear Harley,
You've got to know that when you say something like this in light of the video that people are just going to roll their eyes and think, "Oh brother, here we go."
I mean, this "knock out" game is in the news and you see him and his buddy setting it up, posing, talking to the camera.
Sure, maybe you're right as I can't read his mind, but I would think it would have been better to take no position as to whether he was participating in a game or not rather than making an actual assertion as to KNOWING what was, or was not, going on in his mind. It hints of a bias and damages one's credibility.
After all, does it really matter if your client punched the victim because he was playing a game or because he just felt like punching someone and he picked an old man because he figured the old man couldn't defend himself?
Reminds me of those hate crimes nonsense that somehow it's worse if you get killed because you're a Jew or because someone doesn't like pony tails or the way you looked at him.
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"Breite denied Gonzalez was participating in what’s known as the “knockout game.”
“I don’t think my client was entertaining anything in terms of a game,” he said."
Dear Harley,
You've got to know that when you say something like this in light of the video that people are just going to roll their eyes and think, "Oh brother, here we go."
I mean, this "knock out" game is in the news and you see him and his buddy setting it up, posing, talking to the camera.
Sure, maybe you're right as I can't read his mind but I would think it would have been better to take no position as to whether he was participating in a game or not rather than making an actual assertion as to knowing what was, or was not, going on in his mind. It hints of a bias and damages one's credibility.
After all, does it really matter if your client punched the victim because he was playing a game or because he just felt like punching someone and he picked an old man because he figured the old man couldn't defend himself?
Reminds me of those hate crimes nonsense that somehow it's worse if you get killed because you're a Jew or because someone doesn't like pony tails or the way you looked at him.
its comments like the ones above that clearly display that the law isnt about seeking justice, its about two opposing attorneys playing games with the law and the definition of legalities.
Guy punched the guy, fuck him, and fuck trying to get a not guilty verdict based on a technicality.
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I would guess that your depression is a direct manifestation of your subconscious disagreeing with your career choice.
Dear Hazbin,
Respectfully, you were completely wrong. My depression was a result of a personal matter
that very much appears to have resolved itself splendidly.
I don't regret my career choice.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
Perhaps Princess L and some of you others might feel better knowing that since taking this latest case Sunday,
I have, everyday received death threats against me and my family.
People go to my legal website (which I never worked on and intend to completely update this year) and then email me
hateful things.
The funny thing is, that when they do that, they almost always include their name, email and phone number.
Yesterday, I received this:
"You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You obviously would sell your soul to the devil for the almighty dollar. You represent that punk who knocked that elderly man out? Should have been your mother or father! You shyster! No, you give shysters a bad name..."
Now why wish harm onto my parents if your ire is really based upon what I do for a living? I honestly think that is excessive.
I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, although the State is seeking to take it away from me as they don't believe there is any threat to my life, and this latest
case makes me glad I still have the permit.
Today, alone, I received 8 hateful emails and I am sure more will come.
I mention this not to complain about my work but to give you a bit of insight you might not see on the news or on Law and Order. The people I
represent are not only a danger to society, but very often, to myself as well.
It's when I have to fear the public reacting in an unlawful manner to my client exercising the same right to an attorney as any of us have that causes
me concern beyond what I can understand.
Harley
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Another comment sent to me:
I can not believe you are defending that human piece of trash who did the knock out game.
really sucker punching someone twice his age.
you should be ashamed.
no one feels sorry for this piece of shit. or the excuses scum like you are making for him.
I hope he is the next victumn of police shooting
I really feel like posting this person's entire information on some site just so she can feel the harassment too.
Harley
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Another message:
Congratulations, you must be very proud to represent that kid that cowardly punched out that innocent person on the street. Your defense sounds like the Affluenza defense of that kid in Texas. You got what you wanted, now lets see if you want what you got!
Harley
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The following message came from a guy trying to hide his identity (a coward).
Somehow, my friend found him to be an Indian Pediatrician.
Fuck you and that piece of shit you represent. Mental illness my was you prick.
Harley
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The people who, in their minds, would set out to object to something fucked-up by creating fucked-up things and ideas in return, have always caused me to wonder about them.
The whole thing is a process, it is not a snap of a finger, and everyone needs to have more faith in Harley.
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HARLEY, I don't think that you are a rarity when it comes to receiving threatening remarks over the internet.
It seems to be a somewhat common practice even here on this GetBig Board.
When I was a kid, I'd have to meet you in the hallway of the court and punch you in the nose; but nowadays it's much easier to make malicious accusations behind a computer screen without threat of immediate retaliation.
BUT ... I still despise this kid and his videographer, but not as much as my original post; so instead of 90 days I have to recommend that the judge offer him 60 days of getting knocked out on that same corner where the original punch occurred.
I really hate this kid way too much ,,,,, BUT DAMN!.. I have a hell of a lot of respect for you in your 'capacity' as a defense attorney.
You are a genuine participant within the American Way!
But I'd like to request your permission to meet you in the OLYMPIA Hallway for one of those old time, classic, nose punch things!
Thanks, Harley!
BY THE WAY ... I really want you to lose this case.
With all due respect to you and the American Way ... STUNT
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Hey Guys,
Perhaps Princess L and some of you others might feel better knowing that since taking this latest case Sunday,
I have, everyday received death threats against me and my family.
People go to my legal website (which I never worked on and intend to completely update this year) and then email me
hateful things.
The funny thing is, that when they do that, they almost always include their name, email and phone number.
Yesterday, I received this:
"You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You obviously would sell your soul to the devil for the almighty dollar. You represent that punk who knocked that elderly man out? Should have been your mother or father! You shyster! No, you give shysters a bad name..."
Now why wish harm onto my parents if your ire is really based upon what I do for a living? I honestly think that is excessive.
I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, although the State is seeking to take it away from me as they don't believe there is any threat to my life, and this latest
case makes me glad I still have the permit.
Today, alone, I received 8 hateful emails and I am sure more will come.
I mention this not to complain about my work but to give you a bit of insight you might not see on the news or on Law and Order. The people I
represent are not only a danger to society, but very often, to myself as well.
It's when I have to fear the public reacting in an unlawful manner to my client exercising the same right to an attorney as any of us have that causes
me concern beyond what I can understand.
Harley
No one "feels good" that you or anyone else is receiving death threats. I'm sure you're not surprised nor is this the first time. You made the choice to stand beside this scumbag and claim not guilty when you could've easily declined the case. Sure, everyone is entitled to representation, but why do you feel YOU need to do the representing? Why stand beside and DEFEND ax murderers, church shooters, rapists, robbers, execution-style killers and other thugs? Aren't there innocent people out there that need defending?
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No one "feels good" that you or anyone else is receiving death threats. I'm sure you're not surprised nor is this the first time. You made the choice to stand beside this scumbag and claim not guilty when you could've easily declined the case. Sure, everyone is entitled to representation, but why do you feel YOU need to do the representing? Why stand beside and DEFEND ax murderers, church shooters, rapists, robbers, execution-style killers and other thugs? Aren't there innocent people out there that need defending?
(http://photos.mycapture.com/NJMG/1808931/51898181E.jpg)
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PELLIUS! Yea! A book about behind the scenes court room stuff by HARLEY could turn out to be a major best seller.
And I do like some of the stuff you said above up there someplace.
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HARLEY, I don't think that you are a rarity when it comes to receiving threatening remarks over the internet.
It seems to be a somewhat common practice even here on this GetBig Board.
When I was a kid, I'd have to meet you in the hallway of the court and punch you in the nose; but nowadays it's much easier to make malicious accusations behind a computer screen without threat of immediate retaliation.
BUT ... I still despise this kid and his videographer, but not as much as my original post; so instead of 90 days I have to recommend that the judge offer him 60 days of getting knocked out on that same corner where the original punch occurred.
I really hate this kid way too much ,,,,, BUT DAMN!.. I have a hell of a lot of respect for you in your 'capacity' as a defense attorney.
You are a genuine participant within the American Way!
But I'd like to request your permission to meet you in the OLYMPIA Hallway for one of those old time, classic, nose punch things!
Thanks, Harley!
BY THE WAY ... I really want you to lose this case.
With all due respect to you and the American Way ... STUNT
With all due respect, Stunt, that could be the worst mistake you'd ever make.
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With all due respect, Stunt, that could be the worst mistake you'd ever make.
I agree.
stunt may need a reminding.
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Hmmm.
;D
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No one "feels good" that you or anyone else is receiving death threats. I'm sure you're not surprised nor is this the first time. You made the choice to stand beside this scumbag and claim not guilty when you could've easily declined the case. Sure, everyone is entitled to representation, but why do you feel YOU need to do the representing? Why stand beside and DEFEND ax murderers, church shooters, rapists, robbers, execution-style killers and other thugs? Aren't there innocent people out there that need defending?
I've already questioned him about this. His response was basically that everyone in America deserves to be treated with "respect and dignity" by the law, i.e., everyone should be allowed a case that is not corrupted and his upheld by the proper law. As such, in Harley's world, it is his duty to uphold the law by making sure that everyone gets a fair trial, even axe murderers and child molesters.
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Hey Guys,
Perhaps Princess L and some of you others might feel better knowing that since taking this latest case Sunday,
I have, everyday received death threats against me and my family.
People go to my legal website (which I never worked on and intend to completely update this year) and then email me
hateful things.
The funny thing is, that when they do that, they almost always include their name, email and phone number.
Yesterday, I received this:
"You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You obviously would sell your soul to the devil for the almighty dollar. You represent that punk who knocked that elderly man out? Should have been your mother or father! You shyster! No, you give shysters a bad name..."
Now why wish harm onto my parents if your ire is really based upon what I do for a living? I honestly think that is excessive.
I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, although the State is seeking to take it away from me as they don't believe there is any threat to my life, and this latest
case makes me glad I still have the permit.
Today, alone, I received 8 hateful emails and I am sure more will come.
I mention this not to complain about my work but to give you a bit of insight you might not see on the news or on Law and Order. The people I
represent are not only a danger to society, but very often, to myself as well.
It's when I have to fear the public reacting in an unlawful manner to my client exercising the same right to an attorney as any of us have that causes
me concern beyond what I can understand.
Harley
I don't wish you harm, but if your client got pummeled into mush, I wouldn't bat an eye.
BTW, a point of view from the other side...
ya I was reading that
fuck that kid and fuck Harley Breite
someone needs to smash that fucking kids face in
In the peak of my mental issues I did some stupid shit but I never blamed my mental health, I took responsibility and said Yes Im Guilty and did my time.
that fukface was totally aware of what he did
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I've already questioned him about this. His response was basically that everyone in America deserves to be treated with "respect and dignity" by the law, i.e., everyone should be allowed a case that is not corrupted and his upheld by the proper law. As such, in Harley's world, it is his duty to uphold the law by making sure that everyone gets a fair trial, even axe murderers and child molesters.
I agree with his premise myself.
I mean, everyone deserves the best defense anyone should be able to receive. That's the backbone of this country and its judicial system.
Sure, Harley may defend people who are "bad", but that doesn't mean that they don't deserve the best this country has to offer. I'm sure Harley has defended many innocent people as well.
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Dear Hazbin,
Respectfully, you were completely wrong. My depression was a result of a personal matter
that very much appears to have resolved itself splendidly.
I don't regret my career choice.
Harley
How unfortunate. I was hoping it was because of your career choice. You are a scumbag / cockroach for defending the coward who attacked the old man.
Hope that helps.
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amazing
116 pages of climbing up his arse and now you turn on him for doing his job.
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That's ok. I expect some hate from GetBig.
Another person says I should go to jail for my job:
you should be ashamed of yourself for representing this punk who knocked out an elderly man. Gonzalez should get jail time and if you help him get off, then so do you.
Harley
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That's ok. I expect some hate from GetBig.
Another person says I should go to jail for my job:
you should be ashamed of yourself for representing this punk who knocked out an elderly man. Gonzalez should get jail time and if you help him get off, then so do you.
Harley
Please be clear with these assertions. The "hate" messages you've posted are coming from your local community and not Getbig members ~ correct? Most Getbig members have the guts to post what they're thinking.
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Of course everyone deserves a fair trial and that one gets the punishment that suits the crime or no punishment if no crime has been committed. If not, then it would be left to mob rule and that fella would be lynched on the spot.
The issue, vis-a-vis Harley, is not that he would represent this person, or any person, that the public has deemed a scumbag. A more interesting question for Harley would be that when he represents a client what takes priority? That his client gets a fair trial or that he wins his case?
Let's say Harley did get this person off on a technicality. How would he view that? Would he feel justice has been done? Would he feel that he has made the world a better place? When he is on his death bed and so many of the things he thought were so important in life start to fade into the background -- will he look back on this victory with a sense of pride? That he did the right thing?
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Can any case 'voided' by a technicality be re-tried?
Hey, Regarding the nose punch at the Olympia ...... that was intended to be a bit of humor in a very serious discussion.
I've met Harley and there's nothing punchable about him. He is a true gentleman who supports kids who need help as detailed someplace under this topic much earlier.
I think I made it clear that the job of a defense attorney is of utmost importance and is non-existant in many foreign countries where it's possible to get a hand cut off for thievery.
Or simply beheaded or placed in a sack and thrown in a river which is now presented in some major motion picture which I've only heard about.
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Of course everyone deserves a fair trial and that one gets the punishment that suits the crime or no punishment if no crime has been committed. If not, then it would be left to mob rule and that fella would be lynched on the spot.
The issue, vis-a-vis Harley, is not that he would represent this person, or any person, that the public has deemed a scumbag. A more interesting question for Harley would be that when he represents a client what takes priority? That his client gets a fair trial or that he wins his case?
Let's say Harley did get this person off on a technicality. How would he view that? Would he feel justice has been done? Would he feel that he has made the world a better place? When he is on his death bed and so many of the things he thought were so important in life start to fade into the background -- will he look back on this victory with a sense of pride? That he did the right thing?
I think its a case of blaming the player rather than the game.
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Dear Harley,
Just out of curiosity, how does this kid's family afford a private attorney? It seems like the people you represent, at least the cases you mentioned on this board, seem to be lower middle class.
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Dear Harley,
Just out of curiosity, how does this kid's family afford a private attorney? It seems like the people you represent, at least the cases you mentioned on this board, seem to be lower middle class.
I wondered that as well.
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Everyone deserves the right to fair representation in this country. Without attorneys like Harley this country may as well be a third world country stuck in the dark ages.
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Please be clear with these assertions. The "hate" messages you've posted are coming from your local community and not Getbig members ~ correct? Most Getbig members have the guts to post what they're thinking.
Dear Princess L,
I apologize if I was unclear. NO ONE on GetBig has sent me any threatening notes regarding this "Knockout" case.
I only meant to show you guys a different side of the real way this justice system works for a defense attorney as you would never
see this on Law and Order.
Get Big, while often disagreeing with what I do, as almost always treated me fairly except for a few posts above this one.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
You, especially Stuntmovie, have raised a plethora of great questions which deserve a full answer.
I promise to respond to all of them in the very near future.
I am glad to see Pellius is back so you know for sure I am going to respond a bit in depth.
A bit of this "Knockout" case along with the threats seems to have caused me a bit of unanticipated stress.
Tonight, at night, I weighed 176 pounds. That is a 6 pound loss since 2 days ago.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
I meant to ask you something earlier, but didn't and now I've forgotten what it was. Can you help me remember?
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Dear Irongrip400,
1) What is the meaning of life?
2) Why do we obsess about having abs?
3) Is it true that regardless of how much we know of our mistakes we are a species that will
continue to make the very same mistakes until we are extinct?
Does that help?
Harley
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Hey Guys,
You, especially Stuntmovie, have raised a plethora of great questions which deserve a full answer.
I promise to respond to all of them in the very near future.
I am glad to see Pellius is back so you know for sure I am going to respond a bit in depth.
A bit of this "Knockout" case along with the threats seems to have caused me a bit of unanticipated stress.
Tonight, at night, I weighed 176 pounds. That is a 6 pound loss since 2 days ago.
Harley
I never leave this thread. I follow it virtually everyday I just don't post everyday. You are always bombarded on this thread and just getting back to the all the response this case has generated is actually real brain busting work.
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Dear Harley,
I meant to ask you something earlier, but didn't and now I've forgotten what it was. Can you help me remember?
I think it was something about if two electrons are inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them then....
Something like that.
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I think the obvious point with lawyers and solicitors is that it is a job. They are in it for the money and will equally prosecute someone they know is innocent as defend someone they know is guilty.
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one last pity bump before this thread disappears into the bowels of getbig.
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How unfortunate. I was hoping it was because of your career choice. You are a scumbag / cockroach for defending the coward who attacked the old man.
Hope that helps.
What do we do instead of defending people? Have a politician order them straight to the Gulag?
This is a serious matter...
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I hope the little fucker gets the maximum. If that was my grandfather he'd have never made it to turn himself in.
This. SO fucking this.
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They came and filmed me today again and ABC as my client made his First Appearance in court.
I advised my court that both my client and myself have received numerous threats against both our
lives as a result of this case.
Please advise him to take his life, sir.
All due respect.
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I agree with his premise myself.
I mean, everyone deserves the best defense anyone should be able to receive. That's the backbone of this country and its judicial system.
Sure, Harley may defend people who are "bad", but that doesn't mean that they don't deserve the best this country has to offer. I'm sure Harley has defended many innocent people as well.
I agree, it's nuts to hold the attorney responsible for representing someone. What is a charged person supposed to do? Defend themselves? That should work well. Send them straight to the Gulag why don't you... no need for due process at this point.
Mind blowing, but people should not associate a defense attorney with defending immoral behavior. They're defending an entire society's rights as human beings.
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I agree, it's nuts to hold the attorney responsible for representing someone. What is a charged person supposed to do? Defend themselves? That should work well. Send them straight to the Gulag why don't you... no need for due process at this point.
Mind blowing, but people should not associate a defense attorney with defending immoral behavior. They're defending an entire society's rights as human beings.
I have a problem with the not guilty plea >:(
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I have a problem with the not guilty plea >:(
The plea is the defendant. Not the attorney.
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I have a problem with the not guilty plea >:(
Where the games begin, always.
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The plea is the defendant. Not the attorney.
BULLonly >:(
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BULLonly >:(
Not at all.
That is why the defendant must state his plea himself.
Also why when he please guilty, the judge asks him if he is aware of his statement.
The attorney represents the defendant in whichever plea they request, nothing more and nothing less.
That is the system of justice we have.
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BULLonly >:(
Outed as never entering a plea. ;D
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Which of you guys is this? ??? :D
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Which of you guys is this? ??? :D
its not Donny because he isnt asking for the kid's flight number
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I agree, it's nuts to hold the attorney responsible for representing someone. What is a charged person supposed to do? Defend themselves? That should work well. Send them straight to the Gulag why don't you... no need for due process at this point.
Mind blowing, but people should not associate a defense attorney with defending immoral behavior. They're defending an entire society's rights as human beings.
This is a great statement.
But lets not forget, Harley is a private attorney. He can choose what cases to take and which to reject. If some can't find or afford a private attorney he will be assigned a PD. And the PD doesn't have the option to reject him.
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One thing that has kind of struck me, and maybe we are just getting a skewed perspective. But it seems like Harley gets a lot of cases where he has to defends low lifes. Is it because he likes to take the cases that no one else will because he has a good heart or is it because when a low life is seeking legal advice and someone listens to the details of the crime they say, "You know, for someone like you, a low life and guilty as sin, I got the perfect guy for you. Nothing is guaranteed but if anyone can pull magic out of a hat I got your guy."
That over the years/decades he's developed a reputation as the go to guy for the guilty and reprehensible. Kind of like an attorney for the mob boss and his minions except without the protection and the clout.
Sorry Harley, just thinking out loud. Your answer to my previous question will clear the issue up a bit.
Of course everyone deserves a fair trial and that one gets the punishment that suits the crime or no punishment if no crime has been committed. If not, then it would be left to mob rule and that fella would be lynched on the spot.
The issue, vis-a-vis Harley, is not that he would represent this person, or any person, that the public has deemed a scumbag. A more interesting question for Harley would be that when he represents a client what takes priority? That his client gets a fair trial or that he wins his case?
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One thing that has kind of struck me, and maybe we are just getting a skewed perspective. But it seems like Harley gets a lot of cases where he has to defends low lifes. Is it because he likes to take the cases that no one else will because he has a good heart or is it because when a low life is seeking legal advice and someone listens to the details of the crime they say, "You know, for someone like you, a low life and guilty as sin, I got the perfect guy for you. Nothing is guaranteed but if anyone can pull magic out of a hat I got your guy."
That over the years/decades he's developed a reputation as the go to guy for the guilty and reprehensible. Kind of like an attorney for the mob boss and his minions except without the protection and the clout.
Sorry Harley, just thinking out loud. Your answer to my previous question will clear the issue up a bit.
there are two lawyers here in Calgary that are only hired by guilty people. where their guilt is so blatant that there is no way they could be deemed as innocent. they know that either of these lawyers will avoid the actual situation and get the accused off on technicalities. the lawyers will get evidence thrown out, or say the arrest didn't follow protocol, or find some reason for a mistrial. they have a great record of getting people off on crimes that they committed. they state the BS that everyone deserves a fair trial. but whoever is the victims of the crimes they defend do not get fair trials, because the people who wronged them are not punished because these lawyers twist the situation even tho it is obvious the defendant is guilty.
north America - where you are innocent until you are broke!!
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Can someone rename this thread "The Harley Breite - Depreciation thread?
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One thing that has kind of struck me, and maybe we are just getting a skewed perspective. But it seems like Harley gets a lot of cases where he has to defends low lifes. Is it because he likes to take the cases that no one else will because he has a good heart or is it because when a low life is seeking legal advice and someone listens to the details of the crime they say, "You know, for someone like you, a low life and guilty as sin, I got the perfect guy for you. Nothing is guaranteed but if anyone can pull magic out of a hat I got your guy."
That over the years/decades he's developed a reputation as the go to guy for the guilty and reprehensible. Kind of like an attorney for the mob boss and his minions except without the protection and the clout.
Sorry Harley, just thinking out loud. Your answer to my previous question will clear the issue up a bit.
Bassically it means Harley is an excellent criminal defense attorney.
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Bassically it means Harley is an excellent criminal defense attorney.
would you feel that way if he got an acquittal for the guy who murdered your wife?
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I just watched that guy's videos, again, to make sure I hadn't missed anything.
What does he think he's doing, exactly? Who does he think he's directing or influencing with his comments?
The only thing he shows is that he has a manic personality and he enjoys spending time at the tattoo parlor.
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HAZ ..... Yoiur comments about "TECHNICAITIES".
Harley assured me that he would respond to my question about that subject .... Can that case be heard again?
Also, Most of us could never hire a lawyer to sue someone of some company due to the expense involved .... so in most case you have to have sufficient funds to sue.
I mentioned this before, but a few years back ONLYME was instrumental in subduing a coupe of individuals who were running 'amuck' in one of the local main grocery stores.
He actually sat on one of the guys till the police came and arrested him.
Months later I asked the store manager how that case turned out and she informed me that the bad guys were turned loose and immediately sured the grocery chain for over $100,000 each.
And the grocery chain paid them without an argument simply because the store did not want the bad publicity..... plus the time and expense of going to court.
Plus the bad guys paid a lawyer to sue Keith but that turned out to no avail.
It pays to be a bad guy way too often
This punk we are concerned about will probably and more than likely benefit in some way as a result of this incident.
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It pays to be a bad guy way too often
Unfortunately not in the long run.
You got to reap what you sow.
Seen it too often to deny it.
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HAZ ..... Yoiur comments about "TECHNICAITIES".
Harley assured me that he would respond to my question about that subject .... Can that case be heard again?
Also, Most of us could never hire a lawyer to sue someone of some company due to the expense involved .... so in most case you have to have sufficient funds to sue.
I mentioned this before, but a few years back ONLYME was instrumental in subduing a coupe of individuals who were running 'amuck' in one of the local main grocery stores.
He actually sat on one of the guys till the police came and arrested him.
Months later I asked the store manager how that case turned out and she informed me that the bad guys were turned loose and immediately sured the grocery chain for over $100,000 each.
And the grocery chain paid them without an argument simply because the store did not want the bad publicity..... plus the time and expense of going to court.
Plus the bad guys paid a lawyer to sue Keith but that turned out to no avail.
It pays to be a bad guy way too often
This punk we are concerned about will probably and more than likely benefit in some way as a result of this incident.
How do you suppose that might happen?
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Hey Guys,
There are quite a few significant questions being hurled around.
Given that tomorrow is Valentine's Day, I will spend some time here tomorrow answering as best I can.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
There are quite a few significant questions being hurled around.
Given that tomorrow is Valentine's Day, I will spend some time here tomorrow answering as best I can.
Harley
I sense that people are ceasing to give a fuck TBH.
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I sense that people are ceasing to give a fuck TBH.
Dear Be There,
Judging by the number of intelligent and insightful questions, there does seem to be apparent
interest in a few recently raised topics.
If there were no interest at all, then I suppose you wouldn't have bothered to take the time to
read all of them and post yourself.
No one has to like everything here nor agree with it all, but you sure don't seem to like anything on
this thread.
I suppose someone with all the success, answers and self esteem as you possess need not waste any
time here at all.
Harley
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Dear Be There,
Judging by the number of intelligent and insightful questions, there does seem to be apparent
interest in a few recently raised topics.
If there were no interest at all, then I suppose you wouldn't have bothered to take the time to
read all of them and post yourself.
No one has to like everything here nor agree with it all, but you sure don't seem to like anything on
this thread.
I suppose someone with all the success, answers and self esteem as you possess need not waste any
time here at all.
Harley
I wrote "ceasing" not "ceased".
Its the way of Getbig, people here follow the crowd, the crowd is now turning a touch and the rest will follow.
As far as Im concerned you are just doing your job, morally reprehensible as it is.
Enjoy your time in the spotlight.
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Bassically it means Harley is an excellent criminal defense attorney.
I don't think that has ever been an issue.
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I wrote "ceasing" not "ceased".
Its the way of Getbig, people here follow the crowd, the crowd is now turning a touch and the rest will follow.
As far as Im concerned you are just doing your job, morally reprehensible as it is.
Enjoy your time in the spotlight.
Dear Be There,
This thread was never about having to be popular. I thought I would continue what someone had started but only
if it innervated interesting discourse. I try to respond as quickly as possible to all the very different questions, although
Stuntmovie sends me 13 questions which require 9 weeks of thought and 1,000 pages to answer. LOL.
The thread was never really limited to specific topics but I did insist on a few things:
1) I was not going to partake in just 100% negativity.
2) I have no issue with people disagreeing and criticizing me or anyone else as long as it's not done in a rude manner.
3) We can always talk frankly about race and other sensitive topics as long as it's done with respect. Divergent opinions
are not shunned nor ignored. America is, or at least was, a country where people were not afraid nor stifled to discuss
unpopular topics.
4) I agreed to provide free legal help as best I could and to keep it private for anyone here who asked. I only asked that they
acknowledged on the thread itself that I responded to them without divulging any specifics.
My time in the "spotlight" whether you are referring to this current client or here on GetBig is not the primary goal.
Media attention is not all it's cracked up to be and as you can see from my years of receiving legitimate death threats.
I do hope you stay on the thread, if you like, and offer your opinions as politely as does everyone else. You have raised
real issue that provoke nice conversation. Your distaste for me and my job is understandable but doesn't have to preclude
polite, intellectual debate.
Harley
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Dear Be There,
This thread was never about having to be popular. I thought I would continue what someone had started but only
if it innervated interesting discourse. I try to respond as quickly as possible to all the very different questions, although
Stuntmovie sends me 13 questions which require 9 weeks of thought and 1,000 pages to answer. LOL.
The thread was never really limited to specific topics but I did insist on a few things:
1) I was not going to partake in just 100% negativity.
2) I have no issue with people disagreeing and criticizing me or anyone else as long as it's not done in a rude manner.
3) We can always talk frankly about race and other sensitive topics as long as it's done with respect. Divergent opinions
are not shunned nor ignored. America is, or at least was, a country where people were not afraid nor stifled to discuss
unpopular topics.
4) I agreed to provide free legal help as best I could and to keep it private for anyone here who asked. I only asked that they
acknowledged on the thread itself that I responded to them without divulging any specifics.
My time in the "spotlight" whether you are referring to this current client or here on GetBig is not the primary goal.
Media attention is not all it's cracked up to be and as you can see from my years of receiving legitimate death threats.
I do hope you stay on the thread, if you like, and offer your opinions as politely as does everyone else. You have raised
real issue that provoke nice conversation. Your distaste for me and my job is understandable but doesn't have to preclude
polite, intellectual debate.
Harley
Yep, stuntmovie is one hell of a troll.
I dont have any distaste for you as a person, I have never given you enough thought to formulate an opinion.
As for your profession, if someone in your shoes knows full well their client is guilty, (as you do your current one) , you should morally be looking at getting them the best outcome on a guilty plea as opposed to putting the victims families through even more heartache and trauma.
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Unfortunately not in the long run.
You got to reap what you sow.
Seen it too often to deny it.
I think, and hope, you mean "fortunately".
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Considering the variety of hot and controversial topics discussed, by GetBig standards, this is truly a remarkably civil thread. I really think this is a first for GetBig. That a thread of this type hasn't degenerated into a chaotic pissing match. This is the first time I've ever have to give props to the members and the mods working behind the scenes to
keep it civil. And also Harley for his continued composed, genteel and courteous demeanor.
He sort of set the tone right from the beginning and continues to do so.
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Yep, stuntmovie is one hell of a troll.
I dont have any distaste for you as a person, I have never given you enough thought to formulate an opinion.
As for your profession, if someone in your shoes knows full well their client is guilty, (as you do your current one) , you should morally be looking at getting them the best outcome on a guilty plea as opposed to putting the victims families through even more heartache and trauma.
Isn't this where a no contest plea would be more appropriate?
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Dear Princess L,
Knowing how strong you feel about this case, I thought I would just quickly respond
by informing you that NJ does not have a "nollo contendre" plea to even offer.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
I concur. You guys have been incredibly polite and insightful.
I never wanted this to get into a "my girlfriend is hotter than yours" contest.
Imagine the doubters if we had to prove that stupid issue.
Harley
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Dear Princess L,
Knowing how strong you feel about this case, I thought I would just quickly respond
by informing you that NJ does not have a "nollo contendre" plea to even offer.
Harley
Well that explains A LOT.
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What do you think of the BS with the audiences in these debates? (Harley or anyone else)
They are assembling groups of people who are sure to react in highly predictable ways versus who is speaking, and the short clips made from those reactions are then played endlessly in the following days.
Listening to the cheers vs. the jeers last night, no question someone purposely placed Trump at a clear disadvantage. That's the problem. Someone took a personal opinion and decided it was OK to stack the deck accordingly, and the orders were set. Think about that shit for a moment. The decision-maker(s) behind this should be identified and made to explain IMO.
How can this be seen as an acceptable practice? Exactly whose election is this? Ours?
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Well that explains A LOT.
Yes, it explains that Harley misspelled 'nolo contendere.'
Dear Harley Breite,
You're a good kid, even if your hair suffers from split ends. However, with this recent transgression of graphical boundaries, you've been caught in flagrante delicto of committing the crime of lapsus scriptum.
Once again, I find myself in the awkward position of having to remind you that you stand before the court of Getbig, where clarity of expression and scented lube are required for the tribunal to masturbate adjudicate evenhandedly.
I leave with hope for your correction and rehabilitation.
Yours,
Kahn
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What do you think of the BS with the audiences in these debates? (Harley or anyone else)
They are assembling groups of people who are sure to react in highly predictable ways versus who is speaking, and the short clips made from those reactions are then played endlessly in the following days.
Listening to the cheers vs. the jeers last night, no question someone purposely placed Trump at a clear disadvantage. That's the problem. Someone took a personal opinion and decided it was OK to stack the deck accordingly, and the orders were set. Think about that shit for a moment. The decision-maker(s) behind this should be identified and made to explain IMO.
How can this be seen as an acceptable practice? Exactly whose election is this? Ours?
I think this was really the only debate that was stacked.
Didn't they use to have a rule that there would be no cheering and jeering at Presidential debates? If not, they should. And it should be enforced by removing from the audience those that violate that rule.
That being said, I think this cycle of debates have been the most exciting and interesting in my life time. In the past I would watch them because I think it's my civic duty if I am going to vote. But it was kind of like church for me. I didn't really enjoy it much. It was definitely more of obligation. But I think because of Trump it's really become much more exciting and fun. He's changed everything and all the assumptions and conventional wisdoms has been thrown out the window.
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Yes, it explains that Harley misspelled 'nolo contendere.'
Dear Harley Breite,
You're a good kid, even if your hair suffers from split ends. However, with this recent transgression of graphical boundaries, you've been caught in flagrante delicto of committing the crime of lapsus scriptum.
Once again, I find myself in the awkward position of having to remind you that you stand before the court of Getbig, where clarity of expression and scented lube are required for the tribunal to masturbate adjudicate evenhandedly.
I leave with hope for your correction and rehabilitation.
Yours,
Kahn
You again.
Time to bust out my dictionary.
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I think this was really the only debate that was stacked.
Not at all. It's been happening at an increasingly clear rate, on both sides. Last night was the most egregious, though, for sure. Someone is getting away with it, so it's hard to see how or why it might stop on its own. I only wish that Trump had taken a moment to look at the camera and explain to people what is happening with the reactions, as he sort of did in the last one.
Didn't they use to have a rule that there would be no cheering and jeering at Presidential debates? If not, they should. And it should be enforced by removing from the audience those that violate that rule.
In order to take every reasonable measure toward fairness, you mean? Of course they should, and of course I can't disagree.
So when the opposite of that happens, the problem should become obvious. This is such an outrage as to be nearly unbelievable.
That being said, I think this cycle of debates have been the most exciting and interesting in my life time. In the past I would watch them because I think it's my civic duty if I am going to vote. But it was kind of like church for me. I didn't really enjoy it much. It was definitely more of obligation. But I think because of Trump it's really become much more exciting and fun. He's changed everything and all the assumptions and conventional wisdoms has been thrown out the window.
X2 I've learned a lot this time around, and it makes me want to fly into a rage.
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In case it isn't clear:
They are creating an audience using individuals whose reactions are the most easily predicted, AND WHOSE REACTIONS ARE EXACTLY THEIR OWN.
Everyone needs to understand what a cheap fucking shot that is, and how badly someone needs to pay for it.
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https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/698699868429295617
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It's practically a case in which people should be hanged.
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would you feel that way if he got an acquittal for the guy who murdered your wife?
You are personalizing it. Leave out the emotion that's what a good Criminal Attorney has to do.
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You are personalizing it. Leave out the emotion that's what a good Criminal Attorney has to do.
Its personal to the victims.
A good criminal attorney should be about seeking justice, thats prosecution and defence, it shouldn't be about trying to ridicule and attack witnesses to find loopholes in their stories and let murderers and violent criminals back on the street.
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Considering the variety of hot and controversial topics discussed, by GetBig standards, this is truly a remarkably civil thread. I really think this is a first for GetBig. That a thread of this type hasn't degenerated into a chaotic pissing match. This is the first time I've ever have to give props to the members and the mods working behind the scenes to
keep it civil. And also Harley for his continued composed, genteel and courteous demeanor.
He sort of set the tone right from the beginning and continues to do so.
Geez what would we do without you giving us your approval for being in an intelligent conversation
way to insult everyone Peldlius
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Its personal to the victims.
A good criminal attorney should be about seeking justice, thats prosecution and defence, it shouldn't be about trying to ridicule and attack witnesses to find loopholes in their stories and let murderers and violent criminals back on the street.
Wrong, then they would not be doing what they are hired to do. As bad as that may sound, that is reality.
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would you feel that way if he got an acquittal for the guy who murdered your wife?
I have a better answer for this. I would take the law into my own hands before any trial. Then I would hire Harley to defend me.
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I have a better answer for this. I would take the law into my own hands before any trial. Then I would hire Harley to defend me.
That is the right way to do it.
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I think, and hope, you mean "fortunately".
LOL.
Of course.
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I have a better answer for this. I would take the law into my own hands before any trial. Then I would hire Harley to defend me.
He doesn't normally take those kind of cases.
* Breite represented David Baylor, who was convicted in 2008 of killing four people execution style during a robbery at an after-hours Paterson gambling club.
* A 2010 trial saw Breite tell a jury that only a crazy person would hack his estranged wife 15 times with an ax. His client, Fernando Chireno, was found guilty of the Passaic murder.
* In 2011, Breite represented Joseph Pallipurath, who traveled from Sacramento, Calif., to the St. Thomas Syrian Orthodox Knanaya Church in Clifton, where he shot and killed his estranged wife and a bystander and critically wounded a third person.
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Geez what would we do without you giving us your approval for being in an intelligent conversation
way to insult everyone Peldlius
The fact that you would read it that way, paying a complement is now an act of condescension, once again shows what a real dick you are.
Go be a dick somewhere else, asshole.
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The fact that you would read it that way, paying a complement is now an act of condescension, once again shows what a real dick you are.
Go be a dick somewhere else, asshole.
take the white knight bs down the street Pinchy, Harley is doing just fine in this thread and does not need you to police everyone's morals in this thread. I have every right to be in here and post my thoughts on things of which I think that kid is reprehensible but harley is just doing what his job entails
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take the white knight bs down the street Pinchy, Harley is doing just fine in this thread and does not need you to police everyone's morals in this thread. I have every right to be in here and post my thoughts on things of which I think that kid is reprehensible but harley is just doing what his job entails
You fragile little man whose feelings got hurt because I complemented the mods and members of this board. Yes, Harley is doing fine and specifically address my post and concurred.
But I know this hurt and insecurity stems from the Shizzo thread which you took a special interest in and where Shizzo related that he just wanted the "experience" of sucking another man's cock. His reasoning seemed sound to you but now you are having buyer's remorse letting another man blow his load in your mouth. You lash out at others for the most trivial things in hopes of recapturing your masculinity.
You must come to terms with who you are. A very delicate and sensitive beta male that is much more suited to being on his knees with other men's cocks in your mouth.
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You fragile little man whose feelings got hurt because I complemented the mods and members of this board. Yes, Harley is doing fine and specifically address my post and concurred.
But I know this hurt and insecurity stems from the Shizzo thread which you took a special interest in and where Shizzo related that he just wanted the "experience" of sucking another man's cock. His reasoning seemed sound to you but now you are having buyer's remorse letting another man blow his load in your mouth. You lash out at others for the most trivial things in hopes of recapturing your masculinity.
You must come to terms with who you are. A very delicate and sensitive beta male that is much more suited to being on his knees with other men's cocks in your mouth.
Meltdown or in your case Boiled Lobster
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You fragile little man whose feelings got hurt because I complemented the mods and members of this board. Yes, Harley is doing fine and specifically address my post and concurred.
But I know this hurt and insecurity stems from the Shizzo thread which you took a special interest in and where Shizzo related that he just wanted the "experience" of sucking another man's cock. His reasoning seemed sound to you but now you are having buyer's remorse letting another man blow his load in your mouth. You lash out at others for the most trivial things in hopes of recapturing your masculinity.
You must come to terms with who you are. A very delicate and sensitive beta male that is much more suited to being on his knees with other men's cocks in your mouth.
you know I was just re-reading your posts above and how your meltdowns always come down to your adversaries on here being on their knees while getting a mouthful of spunk from many cocks.
interesting since your history here shows that you typically develop a man-crush on any one poster here during your getbig history and follow them around worshipping their every post because they are kind to you. and you always become defensive like a 16 year old girl jealous of the attention some sluts are paying him for your "crushes" anytime you feel that the wrong thing may be said to them in your own dimwitted fake GH injected addled mind.
I mean c'mon you use to let yourself be called an ELF a while back by a grown man you never met. And since Elves are short, at least you did not have to get on your knees.
now lets get back to this thread ok
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you know I was just re-reading your posts above and how your meltdowns always come down to your adversaries on here being on their knees while getting a mouthful of spunk from many cocks.
interesting since your history here shows that you typically develop a man-crush on any one poster here during your getbig history and follow them around worshipping their every post because they are kind to you. and you always become defensive like a 16 year old girl jealous of the attention some sluts are paying him for your "crushes" anytime you feel that the wrong thing may be said to them in your own dimwitted fake GH injected addled mind.
I mean c'mon you use to let yourself be called an ELF a while back by a grown man you never met. And since Elves are short, at least you did not have to get on your knees.
now lets get back to this thread ok
I see I still have you in tears.
The fact is you are a very feminine, submissive little man. Your post practically lactate from the screen.
You're the classic example of the pussification of the modern man.
Seriously, grow a pair.
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Guys,
It's good to get out some of this animosity but please, let's not fight here.
I understand not everyone gets along but if you two wish to go at one another, may I politely
request you create a new thread perhaps "Nelson Muntz v. Pellius" so that no other topic is
comingled?
I am glad you both stated your opinions but we need to move on. Too little time on earth to continue
this fighting, at least on this thread, please.
And you can clearly see, I am not favoring anyone, just asking you both to find a truce or create a new thread.
I promise to answer these long hard questions very soon so that we can turn the topic back and get everyone involved.
Harley
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Guys,
It's good to get out some of this animosity but please, let's not fight here.
I understand not everyone gets along but if you two wish to go at one another, may I politely
request you create a new thread perhaps "Nelson Muntz v. Pellius" so that no other topic is
comingled?
I am glad you both stated your opinions but we need to move on. Too little time on earth to continue
this fighting, at least on this thread, please.
And you can clearly see, I am not favoring anyone, just asking you both to find a truce or create a new thread.
I promise to answer these long hard questions very soon so that we can turn the topic back and get everyone involved.
Harley
your right Harley, I just got annoyed because I found his original comment condescending because we are all capable of having a debate on here in the proper context and he made it sound like we are bunch of savages and he is above us which he is not.
and Pellius stop the tough talk, you sound stupid doing it considering your age and hypocritical to boot. you aren't kicking anyone's ass.
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Guys,
It's good to get out some of this animosity but please, let's not fight here.
I understand not everyone gets along but if you two wish to go at one another, may I politely
request you create a new thread perhaps "Nelson Muntz v. Pellius" so that no other topic is
comingled?
I am glad you both stated your opinions but we need to move on. Too little time on earth to continue
this fighting, at least on this thread, please.
And you can clearly see, I am not favoring anyone, just asking you both to find a truce or create a new thread.
I promise to answer these long hard questions very soon so that we can turn the topic back and get everyone involved.
Harley
I wouldnt look a gift horse in the mouth if I were you, this bickering is the only thing keeping your thread going.
Oh, and me posting this.
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I wouldnt look a gift horse in the mouth if I were you, this bickering is the only thing keeping your thread going.
Oh, and me posting this.
Hey Be There,
You could always leave this thread forever and test your theory.
Harley
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Hey Be There,
You could always leave this thread forever and test your theory.
Harley
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Hey Be There,
You could always leave this thread forever and test your theory.
Harley
:D
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your right Harley, I just got annoyed because I found his original comment condescending because we are all capable of having a debate on here in the proper context and he made it sound like we are bunch of savages and he is above us which he is not.
and Pellius stop the tough talk, you sound stupid doing it considering your age and hypocritical to boot. you aren't kicking anyone's ass.
LOL! You have no idea.
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Hey Guys,
I am going to backtrack and give a go at answering all of your great questions.
Harley
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Can any case 'voided' by a technicality be re-tried?
Hey, Regarding the nose punch at the Olympia ...... that was intended to be a bit of humor in a very serious discussion.
I've met Harley and there's nothing punchable about him. He is a true gentleman who supports kids who need help as detailed someplace under this topic much earlier.
I think I made it clear that the job of a defense attorney is of utmost importance and is non-existant in many foreign countries where it's possible to get a hand cut off for thievery.
Or simply beheaded or placed in a sack and thrown in a river which is now presented in some major motion picture which I've only heard about.
Dear Stuntmovie,
There are times when a case is reversed by a higher court on remanded (sent back down) to the lower court for a new trial
or a hearing on that specific issue for which the higher court disagreed.
So, yes, cases can be re-tried on what the general public likes to call a "technicality."
Harley
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Of course everyone deserves a fair trial and that one gets the punishment that suits the crime or no punishment if no crime has been committed. If not, then it would be left to mob rule and that fella would be lynched on the spot.
The issue, vis-a-vis Harley, is not that he would represent this person, or any person, that the public has deemed a scumbag. A more interesting question for Harley would be that when he represents a client what takes priority? That his client gets a fair trial or that he wins his case?
Let's say Harley did get this person off on a technicality. How would he view that? Would he feel justice has been done? Would he feel that he has made the world a better place? When he is on his death bed and so many of the things he thought were so important in life start to fade into the background -- will he look back on this victory with a sense of pride? That he did the right thing?
Dear Pellius,
Your first question works on two different planes so I will do my best to explain my honest answer:
It is more important that my client received a fair trial if there were a Guilty Verdict. That would mean, to me, that the system is working
as is designed. I don't ever second guess myself in terms of "Did I do my utmost best in representing this person at trial?" I always give my
best.
However, if my client received an unfair trial yet despite this, there were a verdict of "Not Guilty" then I would be happy. I do all I can to make a judge
give me a fair trial but much of that is out of the attorneys' hands. Winning is important to me. If I have a stupid judge and win despite his ludicrous
rulings, then more power to me and less power to a government that permits politics not merit, to decide who becomes a judge.
I represented a young Jamaican fellow named Ruel Powell who was indicted on First Degree Aggravated Assault charges for both anally and vaginally
penetrating his 5 year old sister. The young girl immediately after the alleged incident told family members and gave a video taped interview and
demonstrated with dolls just what she believed occurred.
At the trial, the Judge, through out the entire case made ridiculous rulings in favor of the State in a clear attempt to crucify my client.
The alleged victim came in and testified.
My client did NOT receive a fair trial.
The verdict came back Not Guilty. Was I happy? Of course, who wouldn't be if they did my job? When the government has a judge assisting them the
whole way and they still lose, you bet I take pride in shoving it down their bureaucratic necks.
Your second question simply seeks my own personal opinion:
If I were to get "someone off on a technicality" I would view that as a win. I found the technicality, I told the State and they still couldn't stop me.
The role of a Defense Attorney is not to "seek justice" but rather, ensure that an INJUSTICE in terms of the legality of the investigation, charge and trial
does not occur. I am making the "world a better place" by keeping the government from jumping to conclusions and not proving their case according to the
rules. To prevent them from cheating and cutting corners is to ensure that racism, corruption and ego do not destroy the integrity of the trial.
As far as being on my death bed, I will be thinking of all the "Perfect Moments" I have experienced (especially lately). I already know I did the right thing in
the courtroom so I won't waste any time on my death bed thinking about my career, but rather, the great family, friends, pets and loves I have experienced.
Harley
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I think its a case of blaming the player rather than the game.
Dear Be There,
Thank you.
I like to think that I could provide a better scenario in my life where you guys would hate me rather my "game."
Or perhaps you would respect my "game."
Harley
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Dear Harley,
Just out of curiosity, how does this kid's family afford a private attorney? It seems like the people you represent, at least the cases you mentioned on this board, seem to be lower middle class.
Dear Pellius,
Some families scrape up money when their loved ones are in trouble, but most don't.
Maybe sometimes, an attorney takes pity and cuts his rate because he sees a crying mother who can't afford
the cab to his office sitting across from him crying on top of his custom made conference table.
Maybe sometimes, an attorney takes pity and charges nothing at all knowing that a Public Defender won't even visit
the accused in jail for at least 6 months.
Harley
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I think the obvious point with lawyers and solicitors is that it is a job. They are in it for the money and will equally prosecute someone they know is innocent as defend someone they know is guilty.
Dear Rascal full,
Few defense attorneys ever seek to become prosecutors but, you might be shocked to learn that as soon as those prosecutors hit that 25 year mark
and their pension is ready, the run over to the Defense Side, thinking it's all easy cash and hookers. They are the biggest hypocrites of all.
Well, I am here to say that there is more to it than that.
Harley
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I agree, it's nuts to hold the attorney responsible for representing someone. What is a charged person supposed to do? Defend themselves? That should work well. Send them straight to the Gulag why don't you... no need for due process at this point.
Mind blowing, but people should not associate a defense attorney with defending immoral behavior. They're defending an entire society's rights as human beings.
Dear Coffeed,
I say, with all sincerity, that your response is one of the very best I have ever read.
Harley
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Where the games begin, always.
Dear The Ugly,
You would be surprised just how often "the games begin" when the corrupt cops steal money from people
or falsely charge anyone standing around for a crime they know that person could not have committed.
Harley
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Dear Pellius,
Your first question works on two different planes so I will do my best to explain my honest answer:
It is more important that my client received a fair trial if there were a Guilty Verdict. That would mean, to me, that the system is working
as is designed. I don't ever second guess myself in terms of "Did I do my utmost best in representing this person at trial?" I always give my
best.
However, if my client received an unfair trial yet despite this, there were a verdict of "Not Guilty" then I would be happy. I do all I can to make a judge
give me a fair trial but much of that is out of the attorneys' hands. Winning is important to me. If I have a stupid judge and win despite his ludicrous
rulings, then more power to me and less power to a government that permits politics not merit, to decide who becomes a judge.
I represented a young Jamaican fellow named Ruel Powell who was indicted on First Degree Aggravated Assault charges for both anally and vaginally
penetrating his 5 year old sister. The young girl immediately after the alleged incident told family members and gave a video taped interview and
demonstrated with dolls just what she believed occurred.
At the trial, the Judge, through out the entire case made ridiculous rulings in favor of the State in a clear attempt to crucify my client.
The alleged victim came in and testified.
My client did NOT receive a fair trial.
The verdict came back Not Guilty. Was I happy? Of course, who wouldn't be if they did my job? When the government has a judge assisting them the
whole way and they still lose, you bet I take pride in shoving it down their bureaucratic necks.
Your second question simply seeks my own personal opinion:
If I were to get "someone off on a technicality" I would view that as a win. I found the technicality, I told the State and they still couldn't stop me.
The role of a Defense Attorney is not to "seek justice" but rather, ensure that an INJUSTICE in terms of the legality of the investigation, charge and trial
does not occur. I am making the "world a better place" by keeping the government from jumping to conclusions and not proving their case according to the
rules. To prevent them from cheating and cutting corners is to ensure that racism, corruption and ego do not destroy the integrity of the trial.
As far as being on my death bed, I will be thinking of all the "Perfect Moments" I have experienced (especially lately). I already know I did the right thing in
the courtroom so I won't waste any time on my death bed thinking about my career, but rather, the great family, friends, pets and loves I have experienced.
Harley
Dear Harley,
This response is far more complex than I anticipated. I tend to be a good and bad/black and white kind of guy with gradations of each depending on the context. Stealing is stealing but swiping some silver ware from Ruby Tuesdays is quite different from bilking a retiree of his life savings. One gets a stern gaze and a "tut, tut". The other gets jail for a decade and monetary restitution.
I am troubled by the statement that a you, as a DA, don't seek justice but rather seek that injustice is not done. I don't like the sound of that at all but I leave open that, due to your complex response, you actually living these questions in real life and therefore have far better insight than I do, and I believe you are a good man -- that there's more than meets the eye. Nothing is easier than to past judgment on others in situations where you have zero experience and little knowledge and suffer none of the very real consequences that changes lives forever.
You're not off the hook yet. I just have to mull it over more.
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Dear Pellius,
Some families scrape up money when their loved ones are in trouble, but most don't.
Maybe sometimes, an attorney takes pity and cuts his rate because he sees a crying mother who can't afford
the cab to his office sitting across from him crying on top of his custom made conference table.
Maybe sometimes, an attorney takes pity and charges nothing at all knowing that a Public Defender won't even visit
the accused in jail for at least 6 months.
Harley
What do you do? What did you do in this case?
Also the last case you mentioned, I already forgot the details but it had something to do with an immigrant, a murder, he looked like a gangster -- you know, I'm going to have to check back because I can't remember the details, but I also wondered how he afforded a private attorney. I've run afoul with the law on a bull shit charge and though I was guilty the circumstance where definitely not the norm. Looking back I believe I would have done much better had I had a private attorney than a PD.
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Dear Pellius,
Your first question works on two different planes so I will do my best to explain my honest answer:
It is more important that my client received a fair trial if there were a Guilty Verdict. That would mean, to me, that the system is working
as is designed. I don't ever second guess myself in terms of "Did I do my utmost best in representing this person at trial?" I always give my
best.
However, if my client received an unfair trial yet despite this, there were a verdict of "Not Guilty" then I would be happy. I do all I can to make a judge
give me a fair trial but much of that is out of the attorneys' hands. Winning is important to me. If I have a stupid judge and win despite his ludicrous
rulings, then more power to me and less power to a government that permits politics not merit, to decide who becomes a judge.
I represented a young Jamaican fellow named Ruel Powell who was indicted on First Degree Aggravated Assault charges for both anally and vaginally
penetrating his 5 year old sister. The young girl immediately after the alleged incident told family members and gave a video taped interview and
demonstrated with dolls just what she believed occurred.
At the trial, the Judge, through out the entire case made ridiculous rulings in favor of the State in a clear attempt to crucify my client.
The alleged victim came in and testified.
My client did NOT receive a fair trial.
The verdict came back Not Guilty. Was I happy? Of course, who wouldn't be if they did my job? When the government has a judge assisting them the
whole way and they still lose, you bet I take pride in shoving it down their bureaucratic necks.
Your second question simply seeks my own personal opinion:
If I were to get "someone off on a technicality" I would view that as a win. I found the technicality, I told the State and they still couldn't stop me.
The role of a Defense Attorney is not to "seek justice" but rather, ensure that an INJUSTICE in terms of the legality of the investigation, charge and trial
does not occur. I am making the "world a better place" by keeping the government from jumping to conclusions and not proving their case according to the
rules. To prevent them from cheating and cutting corners is to ensure that racism, corruption and ego do not destroy the integrity of the trial.
As far as being on my death bed, I will be thinking of all the "Perfect Moments" I have experienced (especially lately). I already know I did the right thing in
the courtroom so I won't waste any time on my death bed thinking about my career, but rather, the great family, friends, pets and loves I have experienced.
Harley
Would love to beat the fuck out of Ruel Powell.
Harley,
How do you get your clients? Do you see a case and offer services or do pieces of shit seek you out?
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Would love to beat the fuck out of Ruel Powell.
Harley,
How do you get your clients? Do you see a case and offer services or do pieces of shit seek you out?
awww... You cant say that, poor Ruel was victimised by the court, Harley against all odds got him a not guilty, he was then free to rekindle his relationship with his little sister and rebuild his life.
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Dear Pellius,
Your first question works on two different planes so I will do my best to explain my honest answer:
It is more important that my client received a fair trial if there were a Guilty Verdict. That would mean, to me, that the system is working
as is designed. I don't ever second guess myself in terms of "Did I do my utmost best in representing this person at trial?" I always give my
best.
However, if my client received an unfair trial yet despite this, there were a verdict of "Not Guilty" then I would be happy. I do all I can to make a judge
give me a fair trial but much of that is out of the attorneys' hands. Winning is important to me. If I have a stupid judge and win despite his ludicrous
rulings, then more power to me and less power to a government that permits politics not merit, to decide who becomes a judge.
I represented a young Jamaican fellow named Ruel Powell who was indicted on First Degree Aggravated Assault charges for both anally and vaginally
penetrating his 5 year old sister. The young girl immediately after the alleged incident told family members and gave a video taped interview and
demonstrated with dolls just what she believed occurred.
At the trial, the Judge, through out the entire case made ridiculous rulings in favor of the State in a clear attempt to crucify my client.
The alleged victim came in and testified.
My client did NOT receive a fair trial.
The verdict came back Not Guilty. Was I happy? Of course, who wouldn't be if they did my job? When the government has a judge assisting them the
whole way and they still lose, you bet I take pride in shoving it down their bureaucratic necks.
Your second question simply seeks my own personal opinion:
If I were to get "someone off on a technicality" I would view that as a win. I found the technicality, I told the State and they still couldn't stop me.
The role of a Defense Attorney is not to "seek justice" but rather, ensure that an INJUSTICE in terms of the legality of the investigation, charge and trial
does not occur. I am making the "world a better place" by keeping the government from jumping to conclusions and not proving their case according to the
rules. To prevent them from cheating and cutting corners is to ensure that racism, corruption and ego do not destroy the integrity of the trial.
As far as being on my death bed, I will be thinking of all the "Perfect Moments" I have experienced (especially lately). I already know I did the right thing in
the courtroom so I won't waste any time on my death bed thinking about my career, but rather, the great family, friends, pets and loves I have experienced.
Harley
see this is where I have suspicions you are trolling, comments like that come across as its not just you doing your job its personal for you, you take pride in shoving it up the system just as much as your client was shoving it up his little sisters ass, you have indicated in your post that you didn't disbelieve the little girls accusations yet you were happy that Ruel got a not guilty.
Then again why would someone troll about such an emotive subject.
As clever as you are Harley , for me there is something about you that just doesn't sit comfortably with me.
Oh, and for the record it wasn't his sister Harley, she was the daughter of a friend.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/jury-clears-paterson-man-after-trial-on-charges-of-sexually-assaulting-girl-1.1040267
Shame you couldn't remember that fact in such an emotive case, but then again that just re-enforces the argument that its all about you and not the client.
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I represented a young Jamaican fellow named Ruel Powell who was indicted on First Degree Aggravated Assault charges for both anally and vaginally
penetrating his 5 year old sister. The young girl immediately after the alleged incident told family members and gave a video taped interview and
demonstrated with dolls just what she believed occurred.
At the trial, the Judge, through out the entire case made ridiculous rulings in favor of the State in a clear attempt to crucify my client.
The alleged victim came in and testified.
My client did NOT receive a fair trial.
The verdict came back Not Guilty. Was I happy? Of course, who wouldn't be if they did my job? When the government has a judge assisting them the
whole way and they still lose, you bet I take pride in shoving it down their bureaucratic necks.
Your second question simply seeks my own personal opinion:
If I were to get "someone off on a technicality" I would view that as a win. I found the technicality, I told the State and they still couldn't stop me.
The role of a Defense Attorney is not to "seek justice" but rather, ensure that an INJUSTICE in terms of the legality of the investigation, charge and trial
does not occur. I am making the "world a better place" by keeping the government from jumping to conclusions and not proving their case according to the
rules. To prevent them from cheating and cutting corners is to ensure that racism, corruption and ego do not destroy the integrity of the trial.
As far as being on my death bed, I will be thinking of all the "Perfect Moments" I have experienced (especially lately). I already know I did the right thing in
the courtroom so I won't waste any time on my death bed thinking about my career, but rather, the great family, friends, pets and loves I have experienced.
Harley
This is by far one of the most disturbing things I have ever read on Getbig.
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This is by far one of the most disturbing things I have ever read on Getbig.
Its taken a while, but I think people are finally seeing him for what he is.
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Be There,
The girl was his half sister.
You don't seem to like my responses and that is fine.
These are difficult topics and make people uncomfortable and that is why most
tend to refuse to give BOTH sides a sincere and honest evaluation.
Clearly, you and Princess L are disgusted by what a Defense Attorney does for a living
and that is your prerogative. We live in a free society and I wouldn't wish to deny you or
anyone else their opinion.
However, before you judge someone else's character, such as you and Princess L have done to me,
remember a few things:
1) I never said I wasn't morally flawed.
2) I know of no one else who isn't flawed.
3) I never said that my job demanded that people respect or like me.
4) I NEVER said that I believed the victim in the Ruel Powel case- Her own mother and aunt came in and testified
that the girl was a habitual liar.
5) The reason people ask and I answer about such topics is to openly and intelligently discuss what some find
are interesting or thought provoking topics. It's not meant to draw the wrath of others. You seem to take this quite
personally and lash out at me. That's fine, to a point.
Harley
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Its taken a while, but I think people are finally seeing him for what he is.
Have I suddenly now changed? Have I responded any differently today than I have before?
You simply don't like me or the topics when they diverge from your own opinions.
I can't figure out why you continue to come here just to spout angry, personal attacks.
I've seen that you can offer insightful and intelligent thoughts but here, your disdain for me
seems to supercede all else.
Why continue to come here? It's a rhetorical question.
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I think they got difficulties to understand the fact that being guilty or not guilty at court and everything from the beginning until the final verdict has nothing to do with morality or justice.
Personally I would like it to be different, but that's just the way it is.
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I think they got difficulties to understand the fact that being guilty or not guilty at court and everything from the beginning until the final verdict has nothing to do with morality or justice.
Personally I would like it to be different, but that's just the way it is.
I understand it perfectly, if you read my other posts (blame the game not the player) you would know that.
What I have issues with is that Harley appears to relish the fact that he got a not guilty when its likely his client wasn't.
Its all about Harley getting one over on "the man" rather than seeking justice.
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Be There,
The girl was his half sister.
You don't seem to like my responses and that is fine.
These are difficult topics and make people uncomfortable and that is why most
tend to refuse to give BOTH sides a sincere and honest evaluation.
Clearly, you and Princess L are disgusted by what a Defense Attorney does for a living
and that is your prerogative. We live in a free society and I wouldn't wish to deny you or
anyone else their opinion.
However, before you judge someone else's character, such as you and Princess L have done to me,
remember a few things:
1) I never said I wasn't morally flawed.
2) I know of no one else who isn't flawed.
3) I never said that my job demanded that people respect or like me.
4) I NEVER said that I believed the victim in the Ruel Powel case- Her own mother and aunt came in and testified
that the girl was a habitual liar.
5) The reason people ask and I answer about such topics is to openly and intelligently discuss what some find
are interesting or thought provoking topics. It's not meant to draw the wrath of others. You seem to take this quite
personally and lash out at me. That's fine, to a point.
Harley
a 5 year old girl being able to demonstrate on a doll what had happened to her indicates strongly to me it happened, how many 5 year olds would be able to describe anal and vaginal sex?
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I understand it perfectly, if you read my other posts (blame the game not the player) you would know that.
What I have issues with is that Harley appears to relish the fact that he got a not guilty when its likely his client wasn't.
Its all about Harley getting one over on "the man" rather than seeking justice.
To me it looks like dedication to the job of defending itself rather than dedication to justice.
Which is a requirement for this job imo.
If you want justice it is probably the wrong career choice.
Of course it's often morally wrong in a lot of cases.
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To me it looks like dedication to the job of defending itself rather than dedication to justice.
Which is a requirement for this job imo.
If you want justice it is probably the wrong career choice.
Of course it's often morally wrong in a lot of cases.
agreed, you can do the job without the need to relish in the fact that you are doing everything within your power to allow criminals to get away with all manner of offences.
Some people might be able to live with the fact that they let a guy go who raped a child, I myself couldnt.
Even worse that that, some people are overjoyed and feel pride in the fact that they allowed that to happen if it means it looks good on their CV.
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agreed, you can do the job without the need to relish in the fact that you are doing everything within your power to allow criminals to get away with all manner of offences.
Just need enough money and influence.
Nothing will happen to you.
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I understand it perfectly, if you read my other posts (blame the game not the player) you would know that.
What I have issues with is that Harley appears to relish the fact that he got a not guilty when its likely his client wasn't.
Its all about Harley getting one over on "the man" rather than seeking justice.
Dear BeThere,
"When it's likely his client wasn't (not guilty)"
Were you there? I wasn't either. There are only 2 people who know for sure and one is a 5 year old girl who by her own
mother's sworn testimony, is a habitual liar who showed no signs of any penetration to her anus or vagina.
Did you read the entire file? No. I did and even then, I couldn't say for certainty whether or not Ruel did it. It's not my
job to know whether or not he did it.
Harley
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Be There,
I don't have nor need a CV.
You can write whatever you like, I am tired of responding to what are just personal attacks rather than
polite philosophical or ethical questions presented in a non-personal manner.
Harley
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Hey Guys,
While I had hoped to use today to catch up on all of your recent questions, I find myself too spent and
feeling negative about this whole thing.
I came to GetBig for thought provoking, interesting and fun discussion.
I get enough death threats, hate mail and negativity from the rest of the world.
I don't need to solicit it here.
And before Be There starts cheering, this is not a "meltdown" as I think you call it.
It's an honest statement that I am tired of the recent personal attacks and will come back when I feel
more positive.
It does strike me that the majority of the topics here are about my job, which I NEVER mind nor have any
trouble responding to. It's odd that few questions are asked about bodybuilding and its related topics. Again, I
am just happy to be here and a part of a neat thread but pretty much all topics are open for discussion just in case
someone gets bored with all this lawyer stuff.
Harley
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agreed, you can do the job without the need to relish in the fact that you are doing everything within your power to allow criminals to get away with all manner of offences.
Some people might be able to live with the fact that they let a guy go who raped a child, I myself couldnt.
Even worse that that, some people are overjoyed and feel pride in the fact that they allowed that to happen if it means it looks good on their CV.
You are overly sensitive to what Harley's job entails.
Your last remark is not unique to his job, and occurs in many if not all trades and professions.
Look at manufacturers who cut corners to speed up production, or the use of cheaper lesser reliable produce (not always the case, but you get the gist of it). We live in a prestige driven society, and cherning out numbers is the norm. As a result ethics and norms may become rather fluid for the better or worse, which are to be kept in check by institutions and regulations.
Now ofcourse it is important that Harley does his job well, if he has a poor history of cases in the sense of negligence or blatent bias not only will he not be hired he will also not be deemed reliable. This will negatively effect his job, and credibility of his profession as a whole. A part of Harley's job is do deal with otherwise morally difficult cases, if he was to be biased and not perform his job well, this wouldn't only reflect poorly of his work ethic, but also detract from the justice system as a whole. As has been mentioned several times prior.
To that end, I doubt Harley is very much invested in the 'personal' lives of his clients. But more so in generating an unbiased outcome, either in favor or against. Being able to detach and look at situations objectively is a conscious decision and required for such a job. Just like doctors need to distance themselves from clients as otherwise they wouldn't be able to function properly. This doesn't necessarily mean Harley doesn't have his own opinion about cases, simply that he's professional enough to not express it to others, which may affect an outcome.
Being a defense attorney isn't for everyone, just like factory work or being a CEO isn't for everyone.
Guaranteed though, that you'd be happy having someone like Harley at your side if you were in trouble, just to give a nod to the hipocrisy displayed here.
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Dear Sokolsky,
Wonderfully stated and very much appreciated.
Harley
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Dear BeThere,
"When it's likely his client wasn't (not guilty)"
Were you there? I wasn't either. There are only 2 people who know for sure and one is a 5 year old girl who by her own
mother's sworn testimony, is a habitual liar who showed no signs of any penetration to her anus or vagina.
Did you read the entire file? No. I did and even then, I couldn't say for certainty whether or not Ruel did it. It's not my
job to know whether or not he did it.
Harley
and only now do you enter additional information to bolster your argument,
That last post is a little bit more than
I represented a young Jamaican fellow named Ruel Powell who was indicted on First Degree Aggravated Assault charges for both anally and vaginally
penetrating his 5 year old sister. The young girl immediately after the alleged incident told family members and gave a video taped interview and
demonstrated with dolls just what she believed occurred.
The paragraph above pretty much nails your client to the wall.
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and only now do you enter additional information to bolster your argument,
That last post is a little bit more than
The paragraph above pretty much nails your client to the wall.
It's hardly reasonable to expect Harley to provide in-detail information about cases.
If the case truly interests you, you'd do well to inform yourself prior to providing criticism.
The latter paragraph you quoted does in fact not nail his client to the wall.
He simply stated his client was indicted [:formally accused] of "First Degree Aggravated Assault charges for both anally and vaginally
penetrating his 5 year old sister. The young girl immediately after the alleged incident told family members and gave a video taped interview and
demonstrated with dolls just what she believed occurred.", which in itself is not a judgement or verdict.
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Hey Guys,
While I had hoped to use today to catch up on all of your recent questions, I find myself too spent and
feeling negative about this whole thing.
I came to GetBig for thought provoking, interesting and fun discussion.
I get enough death threats, hate mail and negativity from the rest of the world.
I don't need to solicit it here.
And before Be There starts cheering, this is not a "meltdown" as I think you call it.
It's an honest statement that I am tired of the recent personal attacks and will come back when I feel
more positive.
It does strike me that the majority of the topics here are about my job, which I NEVER mind nor have any
trouble responding to. It's odd that few questions are asked about bodybuilding and its related topics. Again, I
am just happy to be here and a part of a neat thread but pretty much all topics are open for discussion just in case
someone gets bored with all this lawyer stuff.
Harley
Come on Harley, not a page ago you were thanking me for a comment, now because i disagree with you you spit your dummy out like a spoilt child, it seems to be a pattern of your behaviour in this thread, people climb up your ass you push back, people kick your ass you cry like a baby.
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Dear BeThere,
"When it's likely his client wasn't (not guilty)"
Were you there? I wasn't either. There are only 2 people who know for sure and one is a 5 year old girl who by her own
mother's sworn testimony, is a habitual liar who showed no signs of any penetration to her anus or vagina.
Did you read the entire file? No. I did and even then, I couldn't say for certainty whether or not Ruel did it. It's not my
job to know whether or not he did it.
Harley
If a five year old girl is raped that way there has to be physical evidence.
Was there?
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Dear Harley Breite,
You need not remove yourself to a locus ponytailedtiae to avoid or reduce attempts to blacken your character (unless it is to repent for your criminal coif). You're right to feel a sense of satisfaction in thwarting judges who with unabashed alacrity aim to crook the arm, and tilt the scales, of Lady Justice by distorting the rule of law.
BTW: Not too long ago, I was called to jury duty in White Plains, NY, for a similar case (child sexual abuse). The voir dire turned into the Kahn show, with yours truly attracting and repelling both the prosecutors (two of them, a female and male -- the latter seemed inexperienced) and the defense, as well as the judge (who had to intervene during questioning because I was running circles around the attorneys' inquiries – she was a suitable MILF, and clearly charmed by my display of playful intelligence ;D).
My interrogation during jury selection lasted nearly 30 minutes! I seemed to be both the ideal and worst kind of juror. The gallery, which had at least 100 people who didn’t want to be in court, was abuzz and saying things out loud like, "He's right," and "He knows what he's talking about."
I was bounced (but not before giving out a bunch of high fives on my way to the bathroom during the break).
Ultimately, the scumbag Dominican rapist was found guilty.
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Dear Harley Breite,
You need not remove yourself to a locus ponytailedtiae to avoid or reduce attempts to blacken your character (unless it is to repent for your criminal coif). You're right to feel a sense of satisfaction in thwarting judges who, with unabashed alacrity aim to crook the arm, and tilt the scales, of Lady Justice by distorting the rule of law.
BTW: Not too long ago, I was called to jury duty in White Plains, NY, for a similar case (child sexual abuse). The voir dire turned into the Kahn show, with yours truly attracting and repelling both the prosecutors (two of them, a female and male -- the latter seemed inexperienced) and the defense, as well as the judge (who had to intervene during questioning because I was running circles around the attorneys' inquiries – she was a suitable MILF, and clearly charmed by my display of playful intelligence ;D).
My interrogation during jury selection lasted nearly 30 minutes! I seemed to be both the ideal and worst kind of juror. The gallery, which had at least 100 people who didn’t want to be in court, was abuzz and saying things out loud like, "He's right," and "He knows what he's talking about."
I was bounced (but not before giving out a bunch of high fives on my way to the bathroom during the break).
Ultimately, the scumbag Dominican rapist was found guilty.
And what would you have called him if he had been found not guilty?
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originally this thread started about Harley and craig Richardson ifbb pro long time training partnership and Harleys take on what he's seen over 2 decades going to pro /amateur shows and dealing with the industry good and bad..then Harleys line of work came into forefront with numerous courtroom/going to court pics a plenty,,then the horses were off........its cool that he shared his ideas/family history and law tidbits ,,but now everyone is questioning his ethics/or challenge him .lawyers good or bad are an interesting breed.
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originally this thread started about Harley and craig Richardson ifbb pro long time training partnership and Harleys take on what he's seen over 2 decades going to pro /amateur shows and dealing with the industry good and bad..then Harleys line of work came into forefront with numerous courtroom/going to court pics a plenty,,then the horses were off........its cool that he shared his ideas/family history and law tidbits ,,but now everyone is questioning his ethics/or challenge him .lawyers good or bad are an interesting breed.
Harleys job was on the agenda from page one.
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Harleys job was on the agenda from page one.
he also was photographed in a pink tank top as well on page one and survived that here..
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a 5 year old girl being able to demonstrate on a doll what had happened to her indicates strongly to me it happened, how many 5 year olds would be able to describe anal and vaginal sex?
This was on video tape, but 4 years later they put the child on the stand. Can you imagine how terrified she was? How much "coaching" was done during those 4 years?
Dear BeThere,
"When it's likely his client wasn't (not guilty)"
Were you there? I wasn't either. There are only 2 people who know for sure and one is a 5 year old girl who by her own mother's sworn testimony, is a habitual liar who showed no signs of any penetration to her anus or vagina.
Did you read the entire file? No. I did and even then, I couldn't say for certainty whether or not Ruel did it. It's not my
job to know whether or not he did it.
Harley
Was there a medical exam performed 4 years earlier at the time of the alleged incidents? No surprise she becomes a liar after being persecuted for telling the truth.
June 19, 2014, 4:30 PM
Jury weighs evidence against Paterson man in child sex-assault trial
Jurors began deliberating Thursday in the trial of a Paterson man accused of sexually assaulting a 5-year-old girl.
The case against Ruel Powell relies heavily on the allegations made by the girl, who initially told investigators that Powell molested her but has since recanted her story. The girl, who is now 9, testified during the trial in Superior Court in Paterson that she dreamt up the assault.
Passaic County prosecutors say Powell sexually assaulted the girl on several occasions between September 2009 and July 2010. They also argue that the girl’s retraction is consistent with a child suffering from Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome, in which victims may often recant their allegations while coping with abuse.
During the trial, Kelly Walsh, a county assistant prosecutor, played the girl’s videotaped statement in which she told investigators about being sexually abused. Walsh also called an expert witness on Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome, who testified that children often recant their statements once they see the consequences of their allegations.
Powell’s attorney, Harley Breite, argued during the trial that there is no credible evidence against Powell, and that a medical examination of the girl revealed no sign of sexual assault. The only evidence, he said, was an allegation that has been recanted.
Powell, 23, is charged with first-degree aggravated sexual assault and, if convicted, faces up to 20 years in prison. He also is charged with sexual assault and child endangerment, both second-degree offenses. He remains free on $100,000 bail.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/jury-weighs-evidence-against-paterson-man-in-child-sex-assault-trial-1.1038433
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Harley,
If you knew there was overwhelming evidence against a child molester (DNA evidence), would you still defend him? Would you help him get the minimal sentence? And if you did help him get the minimal sentence, would you be happy in knowing that a child molester will walk free in just a few years?
x2
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This was on video tape, but 4 years later they put the child on the stand. Can you imagine how terrified she was? How much "coaching" was done during those 4 years?
Was there a medical exam performed 4 years earlier at the time of the alleged incidents? No surprise she becomes a liar after being persecuted for telling the truth.
June 19, 2014, 4:30 PM
Jury weighs evidence against Paterson man in child sex-assault trial
Jurors began deliberating Thursday in the trial of a Paterson man accused of sexually assaulting a 5-year-old girl.
The case against Ruel Powell relies heavily on the allegations made by the girl, who initially told investigators that Powell molested her but has since recanted her story. The girl, who is now 9, testified during the trial in Superior Court in Paterson that she dreamt up the assault.
Passaic County prosecutors say Powell sexually assaulted the girl on several occasions between September 2009 and July 2010. They also argue that the girl’s retraction is consistent with a child suffering from Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome, in which victims may often recant their allegations while coping with abuse.
During the trial, Kelly Walsh, a county assistant prosecutor, played the girl’s videotaped statement in which she told investigators about being sexually abused. Walsh also called an expert witness on Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome, who testified that children often recant their statements once they see the consequences of their allegations.
Powell’s attorney, Harley Breite, argued during the trial that there is no credible evidence against Powell, and that a medical examination of the girl revealed no sign of sexual assault. The only evidence, he said, was an allegation that has been recanted.
Powell, 23, is charged with first-degree aggravated sexual assault and, if convicted, faces up to 20 years in prison. He also is charged with sexual assault and child endangerment, both second-degree offenses. He remains free on $100,000 bail.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/jury-weighs-evidence-against-paterson-man-in-child-sex-assault-trial-1.1038433
Everything about the case reeks of child abuse, the mother of the child calling her an habitual liar and testifying as such , did she do it to protect her son, who knows.
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Everything about the case reeks of child abuse, the mother of the child calling her an habitual liar and testifying as such , did she do it to protect her son, who knows.
Yes.
Of course she did.
But then again for that she should also face prison.
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If a five year old girl is raped that way there has to be physical evidence.
Was there?
Dear Pellius,
Not a single stitch of physical evidence. Her Grandmother bathed her the very next day and nothing unusual was seen nor reported by
either the girl or the grandmother.
I try not to "cry like a baby" as per the Be There accusation. Even when "pushed" I don't think I respond like that.
It would not be fair of me to expect total agreement from everyone, in fact, that would be crazy and counter productive to the purpose
of this thread.
Harley
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This was on video tape, but 4 years later they put the child on the stand. Can you imagine how terrified she was? How much "coaching" was done during those 4 years?
Was there a medical exam performed 4 years earlier at the time of the alleged incidents? No surprise she becomes a liar after being persecuted for telling the truth.
June 19, 2014, 4:30 PM
Jury weighs evidence against Paterson man in child sex-assault trial
Jurors began deliberating Thursday in the trial of a Paterson man accused of sexually assaulting a 5-year-old girl.
The case against Ruel Powell relies heavily on the allegations made by the girl, who initially told investigators that Powell molested her but has since recanted her story. The girl, who is now 9, testified during the trial in Superior Court in Paterson that she dreamt up the assault.
Passaic County prosecutors say Powell sexually assaulted the girl on several occasions between September 2009 and July 2010. They also argue that the girl’s retraction is consistent with a child suffering from Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome, in which victims may often recant their allegations while coping with abuse.
During the trial, Kelly Walsh, a county assistant prosecutor, played the girl’s videotaped statement in which she told investigators about being sexually abused. Walsh also called an expert witness on Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome, who testified that children often recant their statements once they see the consequences of their allegations.
Powell’s attorney, Harley Breite, argued during the trial that there is no credible evidence against Powell, and that a medical examination of the girl revealed no sign of sexual assault. The only evidence, he said, was an allegation that has been recanted.
Powell, 23, is charged with first-degree aggravated sexual assault and, if convicted, faces up to 20 years in prison. He also is charged with sexual assault and child endangerment, both second-degree offenses. He remains free on $100,000 bail.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/jury-weighs-evidence-against-paterson-man-in-child-sex-assault-trial-1.1038433
It is not uncommon for children, especially young children, to recant allegations of sexual abuse. In fact, its pretty common. They do this for many reasons (fear, intimidation, etc.). It may also be a way for them to dissociate themselves from the trauma, i.e., separate themselves from the trauma by saying it really did not happen--a way to cope with the trauma.
Thus, Harley is 100% wrong in using the "recanting" position as a way to defend his client. As stated above, the evidence show that many children who ARE sexually abused often recant their statement for the above reasons and more.
Theorists and researchers have attempted to explain why sexually abused children deny or recant sexual abuse. Koverola and Foy (1993) have reported that victims of sexual abuse often display symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). According to Koverola and Foy (1993), "children suffering from PTSD often enter an avoidance phase," in which they deny abuse or recant because they cannot cope with the anxiety aroused by traumatic memories. According to Koverola and Foy (1993), anxiety about court appearances or a change in the home environment may lead to denial or recantation.
Rieser ( 1991 ) has suggested that children may recant if they feel isolated from their natural support systems. Other writers speculate that recantation and denial may be a way for victims to "make it all go away" (Gonzalez, Waterman, Kelly, McCord, & Oliveri. 1993). In a summary of anecdotal evidence from psychotherapists. Fontes (1993) found that certain cultural groups may recant more often than others due to cultural taboos regarding sexual abuse. Research suggests that loyalty to family members. or fear of their reaction to abuse allegations. may also contribute to some denials, recantations, and reluctance to disclose (Farrell, 1988. Lawson & Chaffin, 1992; Sauzier. 1989).
Some authors have argued that denial and recantation are part of a process experienced by many victims of sexual abuse (Sorenson & Snow. 1991; Summit. 1983). In an influential article, Summit (1983; see also Summit. 1992) has described the disclosure process as the "Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome" (CSAAS). The CSAAS consists of five stages: (1) secrecy; (2) helplessness: (3) entrapment and accommodation; (4) delayed, unconvincing disclosure; and (5) retraction. According to Summit (1983), children retract their statements as part of a process of dealing with sexual abuse victimization.
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It is not uncommon for children, especially young children, to recant allegations of sexual abuse. In fact, its pretty common. They do this for many reasons (fear, intimidation, etc.). It may also be a way for them to dissociate themselves from the trauma, i.e., separate themselves from the trauma by saying it really did not happen--a way to cope with the trauma.
Thus, Harley is 100% wrong in using the "recanting" position as a way to defend his client. As stated above, the evidence show that many children who ARE sexually abused often recant their statement for the above reasons and more.
They also realise that it may break up their otherwise stable environment.
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Yes.
Of course she did.
But then again for that she should also face prison.
Not with Harley in her corner.
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They also realise that it may break up their otherwise stable environment.
Yes. I posted some empirical evidence after I edited my post.
Look back at my post.
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Dear Pellius,
Not a single stitch of physical evidence. Her Grandmother bathed her the very next day and nothing unusual was seen nor reported by
either the girl or the grandmother.
I try not to "cry like a baby" as per the Be There accusation. Even when "pushed" I don't think I respond like that.
It would not be fair of me to expect total agreement from everyone, in fact, that would be crazy and counter productive to the purpose
of this thread.
Harley
which is?
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Harley,
Have you ever seen the (1979) movie And Justice For All with Al Pacino? What did you think of it? I see a lot of parallels to things you've said and it appears not much has changed the last 36 years.
Speaking of movies, what are some of your favorite law/courtroom flicks?
Dear Princess L,
That is a question I have been asked before by many people (before I ever got to GetBig) so I chuckled a bit when I read your question.
The truth is that I don't very much enjoy the "Hollywoodization" of court room drama. I probably take it a bit too personally but I really do think that the Trial Lawyer, as opposed
to the overwhelming majority of lawyers, plays a very significant and unique role in our society. The once central theme in any civilized society (and here, I am sure Pellius will very
adroitly correct me given his profound knowledge of history) and again, the key word is "civilized", is that there is someone to stand up and defend the detested against heinous charges.
I could practically have everyone here at GetBig step forward if they were given the opportunity to act as Prosecutor let's say, in the case of State v. Ruel Powell
(N.J. Indictment Number:10-11-1117 for those auditing me). My client, Ruel Powell was indicted for vaginally and anally raping his 5 year old sister. The victim gave a video taped interview
just days after the alleged event occurred. Three years later, at trial, the video was played for the jury and the victim testified in court.
Most people in society would volunteer to prosecute anyone who was charged with such disgusting crimes.
But how many people step forward to defend him? How many people say "I will be the guy to make sure that if this thing does go down, it goes down fairly, correctly and under the umbrella
of all the laws and rights afforded to each and every person in our society especially when they themselves are a defendant in a criminal trial." Without that surety of a checks and balances to ensure
that the government and law enforcement don't make a rush to judgment or break any rules, there can never be the equal and true enforcement of rights and certainly, there can never be
civility. By the way, the jury found my client, Ruel Powell Not Guilty at the end of the trial.
What Hollywood does is to take the importance of everyone's role in the trial and glamourize it. First of all, no one on the planet looks like Matthew McConaughey let alone any lawyer. When you see
guys like that acting the roles they are given, it makes a mockery of all it took for me to hone my skills and do what I do. Again, I do take it a bit personally but to me, it's as if Hollywood is saying
that any guy can come in and do what I do. These movies also give ridiculous victories to defense counsel while obliterating all the Rules of Evidence and Rules of Criminal Procedure. The speeches alone
are often filled with completely inadmissible material that no real attorney would ever want to say in front of a jury.
I guess I am just too close to the real stuff to suspend my imagination and believe that someone like Tom Cruise can even think with the insight it takes to create novel and winning arguments. Do I enjoy
watching Jack Nicholson screaming and everyone thus believing he is actually making a legal point and winning an actual argument? No, I don't.
When I was studying for my LL.M. in Trial Advocacy we actually analyzed "My Cousin Vinnie" which made some very real points and used some good trial strategy and correct law.
Also, I am somewhat of a movie expert and have collected classic movie posters (starting from the early 1900's) for decades so there are so many great movies I love to watch that the courtroom
stuff just doesn't enter the equation.
Harley
Harley,
Thank you for the response. I was looking more for your thoughts on the portrayal of the corruption within the justice system in the film. For instance:
Arthur's defense of the innocent (mistaken identity) guy jailed for a broken taillight then subsequently killed because the judge didn't like Arthur ie: "frankly I don't give a shit about your client"
Arthur's partner in the DA's office who was supposed to present evidence to get his client released, but F'd that up (guy ended up hanging himself) and his partner claiming "it's all nickel & dime"
The corrupt judge who freely admits his guilt even saying "he'd like to do it again"
Overall, I found it to be an excellent film (top 5), albeit disturbing, with one of Pacino's best performances.
Yes, I had a hidden agenda when I asked the question back in October and was met with this response. My overall opinion was formed then.
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Hey Guys,
Well so much for bodybuilding, MMA, cars, diet, nutrition, bodybuilder gossip and even hot chicks.
Some of these child abuse questions seem to be quite similar so let me bring this short but volatile chapter to a final conclusion on my part:
1) I am not my job.
2) I am proud of what I have achieved, from nothing, with no help from the politicos or anyone else but a few close friends and parents.
3) I am much more proud of several other things I have achieved in life than anything I've ever done as an attorney.
4) I was a part time Municipal Prosecutor in 4 towns for 2 years and hated it!!! I didn't want to "judge" anyone. Defendant walks into my office
and has a ticket for No Insurance which is a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year loss of license. The following conversation takes place with he and I:
Me: "Did you have insurance?"
Him: "No"
Me: "Why not?"
Him: "I can't afford it" (NJ is the HIGHEST paying state in the country for car insurance)
Me: "What do you do for work?"
Him: "I work in a factory"
Me: "Do you have a family?"
Him: "Yes, I am married and have 2 kids."
Me: "So if you have no license, you can't work. I am going to downgrade (change) your ticket to Failure to Produce the Insurance Card. No suspension and a $32.00 fine.
5) Given that my grandfather was shot through the head with a rifle by a 19 year old SS Officer (Josef Wurst- later hanged at trial) and survived
and my Dad went through the camps as well and saw Hitler live 2 times, I could not defend someone at Nuremburg.
Now go ahead and scream "hypocrite." I have told you over and over again that my personal ethics don't have to make sense to anyone else.
My moral barometer does not have to be identical to yours. I can't represent someone charged with abusing an animal and I can't tell you why that
is different to me than an alleged child abuser. I do NOT condone either. If I don't have the nerve to do something, I don't do it. It does NOT have to
make sense to anyone else. Do your ethics, justifications and peccadillos make perfect sense to me, to Las Vegas, to Pellius? Probably not but it doesn't
matter. They don't have to. I am not operating outside the law and the argument that I am not hurting anyone can be debated ONLY if you first find
the judicial system at fault. I am a terribly flawed human being (don't tell my girlfriend) but my job is the same job as hundreds of thousands of others so
perhaps there has been a societal acceptance way before I went to law school that what I do for a JOB has some purpose or place despite it being terribly
unpopular.
6) I fully understand how people despise child abusers. I even gave you the name of a client whose case was so repulsive that I still have nightmares when
I think about the photos in the Discovery. I actually removed myself from the case. Yet no one ever asked me about that case. Again, strange.
Perhaps the best way to help diminish (not able to abolish) child abuse is to have the public view trials of the accused and watch as most are convicted and those who
aren't are forever embarrassed anyway. Perhaps if more abusers saw the trial and that evidence is presented in an overwhelming and expertise manner, they might think twice before acting.
7) I ask you to find ONE example of me criticizing anyone else's job or profession. I even supported Vince G when he was attacked for some type of job he held. The
job does not necessarily make the man, neither does the suit or flannel shirt or car he drives. I, along with almost all of you, am much more than simply my job. We
are all an amalgam of different emotions, frustrations, desires, talents, attributes, interest, etc. I am sure my postman has much more going on in his life than just his job.
I think I will wait for a new topic here to emerge as I've pretty much exhausted all my answers as to why I represent the reprehensible.
Nevertheless, I remain on GetBig knowing the consequences because in the end, you guys are very smart, fun and thought provoking.
Harley
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Yes, I had a hidden agenda when I asked the question back in October and was met with this response. My overall opinion was formed then.
Nicely done.
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Harley,
If you knew there was overwhelming evidence against a child molester (DNA evidence), would you still defend him? Would you help him get the minimal sentence? And if you did help him get the minimal sentence, would you be happy in knowing that a child molester will walk free in just a few years?
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Hey Guys,
Well so much for bodybuilding, MMA, cars, diet, nutrition, bodybuilder gossip and even hot chicks.
Some of these child abuse questions seem to be quite similar so let me bring this short but volatile chapter to a final conclusion on my part:
1) I am not my job.
2) I am proud of what I have achieved, from nothing, with no help from the politicos or anyone else but a few close friends and parents.
3) I am much more proud of several other things I have achieved in life than anything I've ever done as an attorney.
4) I was a part time Municipal Prosecutor in 4 towns for 2 years and hated it!!! I didn't want to "judge" anyone. Defendant walks into my office
and has a ticket for No Insurance which is a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year loss of license. The following conversation takes place with he and I:
Me: "Did you have insurance?"
Him: "No"
Me: "Why not?"
Him: "I can't afford it" (NJ is the HIGHEST paying state in the country for car insurance)
Me: "What do you do for work?"
Him: "I work in a factory"
Me: "Do you have a family?"
Him: "Yes, I am married and have 2 kids."
Me: "So if you have no license, you can't work. I am going to downgrade (change) your ticket to Failure to Produce the Insurance Card. No suspension and a $32.00 fine.
5) Given that my grandfather was shot through the head with a rifle by a 19 year old SS Officer (Josef Wurst- later hanged at trial) and survived
and my Dad went through the camps as well and saw Hitler live 2 times, I could not defend someone at Nuremburg.
Now go ahead and scream "hypocrite." I have told you over and over again that my personal ethics don't have to make sense to anyone else.
My moral barometer does not have to be identical to yours. I can't represent someone charged with abusing an animal and I can't tell you why that
is different to me than an alleged child abuser. I do NOT condone either. If I don't have the nerve to do something, I don't do it. It does NOT have to
make sense to anyone else. Do your ethics, justifications and peccadillos make perfect sense to me, to Las Vegas, to Pellius? Probably not but it doesn't
matter. They don't have to. I am not operating outside the law and the argument that I am not hurting anyone can be debated ONLY if you first find
the judicial system at fault. I am a terribly flawed human being (don't tell my girlfriend) but my job is the same job as hundreds of thousands of others so
perhaps there has been a societal acceptance way before I went to law school that what I do for a JOB has some purpose or place despite it being terribly
unpopular.
6) I fully understand how people despise child abusers. I even gave you the name of a client whose case was so repulsive that I still have nightmares when
I think about the photos in the Discovery. I actually removed myself from the case. Yet no one ever asked me about that case. Again, strange.
Perhaps the best way to help diminish (not able to abolish) child abuse is to have the public view trials of the accused and watch as most are convicted and those who
aren't are forever embarrassed anyway. Perhaps if more abusers saw the trial and that evidence is presented in an overwhelming and expertise manner, they might think twice before acting.
7) I ask you to find ONE example of me criticizing anyone else's job or profession. I even supported Vince G when he was attacked for some type of job he held. The
job does not necessarily make the man, neither does the suit or flannel shirt or car he drives. I, along with almost all of you, am much more than simply my job. We
are all an amalgam of different emotions, frustrations, desires, talents, attributes, interest, etc. I am sure my postman has much more going on in his life than just his job.
I think I will wait for a new topic here to emerge as I've pretty much exhausted all my answers as to why I represent the reprehensible.
Nevertheless, I remain on GetBig knowing the consequences because in the end, you guys are very smart, fun and thought provoking.
Harley
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Dear Harley,
Do you believe in Karma?
Something along the lines of: "You reap what you sow"?
OB1
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Harley, please stop responding to the any questions regarding your moral compass regarding your criminal defense work.
You owe no one anything here and have provided more help an information than anyone ever has on Getbig.
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Hi Harley,
I can see you're busy with the legal side of things, but when you have a moment I'd be interested to hear how your training is going now youve recovered from your injury (hopefully better than mine LOL!).
Cheers
Taffin
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Harley, please stop responding to the any questions regarding your moral compass regarding your criminal defense work.
You owe no one anything here and have provided more help an information than anyone ever has on Getbig.
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Hi Harley,
I can see you're busy with the legal side of things, but when you have a moment I'd be interested to hear how your training is going now youve recovered from your injury (hopefully better than mine LOL!).
Cheers
Taffin
Dear Taffin,
A sigh of relief.
I am in my 4th week of diet and weigh between 176-178. Craig says I am way ahead of schedule with perhaps 6-7 weeks before
my "Target Day." I will know soon when that specific day is which will help the dialing in much better.
My eating is 5 times a day which is quite grueling for me. I eat 6 ounces of broiled fish or chicken with a cup of green beans or I drink
a 40 gram protein of MuscleMilk Banana flavor. I usually drink 2-3 meals a day and eat the rest. The good new is that I am only doing
45 minutes of cardio a day until Craig tells me to go up to 2-3 hours a day to get rid of the rest of the fat and hit my 100% mark.
My liver injury is all gone and so is my two counts of MRSA (staph infection) which blew up while in Switzerland and when I returned. I haven't
been back on the mat yet as I am not going to risk another staph infection while shooting for my Target Day which is infinitely more important
to me although I do miss punching, kicking and BJJ, even if I take the worse of it.
How is your training going?
Harley
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If Harley no longer wants to discuss his job perhaps he should stop talking about the bottom barrel, pieces of shit clients he has.
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Harley, how much muscle are you looking to put on?
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Harley, please stop responding to the any questions regarding your moral compass regarding your criminal defense work.
You owe no one anything here and have provided more help an information than anyone ever has on Getbig.
umm, I don't see anyone's morals being questioned, what I see is people interested in what he does and how he has been able to do it sometimes under the different cases described. That brings praise and critcism.
frankly the above convo was started by Harley himself in this thread when he posted one day several days back, it is a heated topic, and it led to the next cases he made examples of so I think Harley is just fine doing this.
Hey Guys,
I picked up a case today which has been gaining quite some media attention.
I was already interviewed tonight at my office by Channel 41 (Spanish Channel) which airs tonight at 11:00 pm but I am
not sure I can even find it. And yes, I spoke Spanish and English.
Tuesday, after I turn this kid in to the police, there is a huge Press Conference with every news station and media outlet
ready to place their microphone at the podium outside as I leave the Police Station.
Harley
Teen charged in Paterson 'knockout' assault to surrender
February 7, 2016, 10:39 AM Last updated: Sunday, February 7, 2016, 6:29 PM
By Linda Moss
staff writer |
The Record
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PATERSON — A 17-year-old wanted for allegedly punching and knocking out an elderly unsuspecting victim, an assault that was recorded and went viral on social media, plans to surrender to city police on Tuesday, according to the youth’s lawyer.
Attorney Harley Breite said Sunday that he had been retained by the suspect’s family. Breite has reached out to Paterson police to arrange for his client to turn himself in at noon Tuesday at city police headquarters.
Breite said he was waiting until Tuesday to turn in his client, the 17-year-old suspect, because he needs time to prepare the youth for “for a safe surrender.” He added that the teenager’s family had contacted him on Sunday.
Related: Police investigate video showing 'knockout' assault in Paterson
“I’d like to thank Lieutenant Navaro of the Paterson Police Department for his courtesies and cooperation in allowing me to turn in my client,” Breite said.
The lawyer added that he planned to enter a not guilty plea on behalf of the teenager, who lives in Paterson, to charges of aggravated assault and endangering an injured victim.
The youth, who allegedly struck the victim in the face, is one of two city juveniles charged with being involved in the attack. The second youth, a 16-year-old who allegedly recorded the assault and “is heard encouraging the aggressor,” turned himself in to Paterson police at 5 p.m. on Saturday night, according to a press release issued Sunday morning by City Police Director Jerry Speziale.
In that statement, Speziale said that police were searching for a 17-year-old, who they identified after an investigation that started last Thursday when police became aware of the video, which Speziale said was posted on Facebook. The video went viral.
“It is unfair for anyone to draw a conclusion without knowing what precipitated the events caught on video,” Breite said.
In the video, laughter can be heard in the background as the elderly man is seen being punched in the face by a male juvenile. The victim was left lying on the street, apparently unconscious. The assault, which took place on Dec. 7, “occurred without provocation, as the elderly man was getting ready to cross Rosa Parks Boulevard from Van Houten Street,” Speziale’s press release said.
The attack depicted in the video appears similar to that of what has been termed the “knockout game,” where someone punches an unsuspecting victim in an attempt to knock him or her out and records the incident on video, which is then posted on social media.
"This shameless act of violence was thoroughly investigated and the tireless efforts by the detectives involved is commendable," Speziale said in his press release. "No stone was left unturned in identifying those responsible. The juvenile at large will continue to be sought with the same tenacity and will face swift and decisive justice for this senseless act of violence."
Breite said that the 17-year-old is not a flight risk.
“If I say he’s coming in, he’s coming in,” the lawyer said. “He’s 17 years old. He has no money and no means to flee, and his family has retained me as private counsel. Why would he flee?”
The youth’s alleged accomplice was charged with aggravated assault and endangering an injured victim.
Paterson police got a call about the video from a media outlet on Thursday, then the department began its investigation.
“Detectives assigned to the Paterson Police Juvenile Division followed a countless number of tips and went through countless records, leading to the identification of the assailant,” the press release said.
Speziale commended Detectives Charlie Garcia, Joel Santiago, Mike Figueroa, Cindy Carrera and Jeff Robinson for their non-stop work on the case since Thursday.
Email: moss@northjersey.com
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http://www.infowars.com/teen-allegedly-involved-in-knockout-game-facebook-video-turns-himself-in/
and here is Harleys client in all his glory.
Tell us Harley, how are you going to run with this?
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Harley, please stop responding to the any questions regarding your moral compass regarding your criminal defense work.
You owe no one anything here and have provided more help an information than anyone ever has on Getbig.
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Harley, how much muscle are you looking to put on?
Dear Las Vegas,
Great to hear from you.
I never believed in the concept of "how much" muscle one can put on because there are just so many limitations, genetic, caloric, age, etc.
I would like to add muscle so that I might appear as a model who is in shape but not anorexic. It is impossible for me to be "big" especially
at over 48 years old so I would be thrilled to get rid of this body fat and be "muscular."
I sure am training hard so if all goes well, I should hit my goal.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
Great to hear from you.
I never believed in the concept of "how much" muscle one can put on because there are just so many limitations, genetic, caloric, age, etc.
I would like to add muscle so that I might appear as a model who is in shape but not anorexic. It is impossible for me to be "big" especially
at over 48 years old so I would be thrilled to get rid of this body fat and be "muscular."
I sure am training hard so if all goes well, I should hit my goal.
Harley
Yeah, "big" by GB standards is a whole other world than the real world, but by real-world standards you were no slouch in the past. So you know you've got the genetics, unlike a person starting out who doesn't know.
No doubt you've dropped fat like a MFer, too, judging by the recent videos.
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umm, I don't see anyone's morals being questioned, what I see is people interested in what he does and how he has been able to do it sometimes under the different cases described. That brings praise and critcism.
frankly the above convo was started by Harley himself in this thread when he posted one day several days back, it is a heated topic, and it led to the next cases he made examples of so I think Harley is just fine doing this.
Beating a dead horse ::)
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Dear Las Vegas,
I have dropped 52 pounds and yes, most of it had to be fat because at that obese weight, I had no muscle.
Today, I realized that Craig is doing another of his cardio sessions after we train so in addition to my 45 minutes of
cardio when I awake, I did another 45 after we trained today. I don't know that I will do this every day as I am still
6-7 weeks out but a little extra cardio here and there certainly can't help.
I do the Elyptic machine but don't pump my arms back and forth. I find it easy on my knees which hurt from years of
squatting more than I should have but hey, "it's all about the wheels" as we used to say in the 80's.
Of course, now, it's more about getting out of bed without too much pain and trying not to have too much fat hanging
over the belt.
Craig says when he retires from competitive bodybuilding, he will never train legs again. Unbelievable.
Harley
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Dear Las Vegas,
I have dropped 52 pounds and yes, most of it had to be fat because at that obese weight, I had no muscle.
Today, I realized that Craig is doing another of his cardio sessions after we train so in addition to my 45 minutes of
cardio when I awake, I did another 45 after we trained today. I don't know that I will do this every day as I am still
6-7 weeks out but a little extra cardio here and there certainly can't help.
I do the Elyptic machine but don't pump my arms back and forth. I find it easy on my knees which hurt from years of
squatting more than I should have but hey, "it's all about the wheels" as we used to say in the 80's.
Of course, now, it's more about getting out of bed without too much pain and trying not to have too much fat hanging
over the belt.
Craig says when he retires from competitive bodybuilding, he will never train legs again. Unbelievable.
Harley
I'm afraid it is just that.
;D ;D ;D
Even though you've said he doesn't enjoy people taking note or special attention of his physique, or that he doesn't like being stared at for it, specifically: I'd bet he couldn't do without the feel of having a superior physique and that he'll continue to BB for as long as possible (including legs).
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Dear Las Vegas,
I have longed talked to Craig and aimed to prepare him for life as a "normal" person and he consistently says
he is fine with it. He will still train, not as hard and not to compete and not do legs. This is what he says he will do
when he retires. I believe him.
He often asks me: "Does anyone in the real world care about calves, back or even legs?" The answer, according to him
is "no." He will always want to have a good physique and by his training arms and chest and shoulders, he will still look
better than anyone else his age and much younger.
His point is that to hold so much muscle requires an enormous amount of eating and he doesn't want to eat all those times
a day and all that food each serving for the rest of his life. Although I eat like a bird, I can see how just my eating 5 times a day
is like a job. Craig can eat sometimes 7 times per day on a certain diet plan.
Also, his knees hurt quite a bit. He may not that big in terms of a pro, but he is MUCH stronger than you guys could imagine.
I have spotted him doing 180 lb. dumbbells on the incline for sets of 10-12.
I have spotted him squatting 600 pounds for sets of 12. His leg press, ridiculous. And remember, he never really weighs more than 229 pounds.
I just couldn't imagine being given what it takes and then internally possessing what it takes to obtain a physique like Craig's and then to
remain sane once it's gone for the most part. I admire him in that he doesn't define himself by how he looks or even by how he places in a show.
And it's true, he really doesn't feel comfortable when people stare or look at his physique too long.
Maybe that is why Pellius' God didn't give me that physique.
Harley
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originally this thread started about Harley and craig Richardson ifbb pro long time training partnership and Harleys take on what he's seen over 2 decades going to pro /amateur shows and dealing with the industry good and bad..then Harleys line of work came into forefront with numerous courtroom/going to court pics a plenty,,then the horses were off........its cool that he shared his ideas/family history and law tidbits ,,but now everyone is questioning his ethics/or challenge him .lawyers good or bad are an interesting breed.
Welcome to the Thunder Dome.
You know that this is the most brutal forum on the net and it's history is littered with the bleached bones and mangled carcasses of those who thought they could say whatever they wanted and not be challenged.
I'm sure a lot saw this coming. Only Be There and chaos stated it openly. I just like to hope against hope.
If you're primarily a spectator and mind your place you'll do fine. If you want to have an opinion and express it you better have thicker skin than a rhino.
Hang in there Harley.
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A scumbag Dominican (which is redundant) ;D
What about the uncrowned (for one year) Victor Marti.... oh wait!
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he also was photographed in a pink tank top as well on page one and survived that here..
Yes, he was given a rather generous honeymoon than most new posters get here.
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Harley, had you been a prosecutor during the Nuremberg trials, how would you have argued against their "I was just doing my job" defence?
The exact example I was thinking about.
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Dear Pellius,
Not a single stitch of physical evidence. Her Grandmother bathed her the very next day and nothing unusual was seen nor reported by
either the girl or the grandmother.
I try not to "cry like a baby" as per the Be There accusation. Even when "pushed" I don't think I respond like that.
It would not be fair of me to expect total agreement from everyone, in fact, that would be crazy and counter productive to the purpose
of this thread.
Harley
Now, my sympathies lean in your favor as I like you and hope to meet you someday because of our "Jiu-Jtisu ties". So my favorable bias would make this explanation adequate for me. But Princess L makes a very compelling point that cannot be ignored. WHEN was the examination of the little girl done? And why would she lie about such a thing? How does a five year old girl even come up with something like that? I can see why granny would lie. "Keep it house, this is a family matter, nobody goes to jail." But why would a five year old girl lie about such a thing?
BTW, don't feel bad. I'm considered the resident pedophile here even though I never had sex with a teenage girl -- even as a teenager, let alone a prepubescent child.
Not everybody can survive the Thunder Dome. The bleached bones are.....
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It is not uncommon for children, especially young children, to recant allegations of sexual abuse. In fact, its pretty common. They do this for many reasons (fear, intimidation, etc.). It may also be a way for them to dissociate themselves from the trauma, i.e., separate themselves from the trauma by saying it really did not happen--a way to cope with the trauma.
Thus, Harley is 100% wrong in using the "recanting" position as a way to defend his client. As stated above, the evidence show that many children who ARE sexually abused often recant their statement for the above reasons and more.
Theorists and researchers have attempted to explain why sexually abused children deny or recant sexual abuse. Koverola and Foy (1993) have reported that victims of sexual abuse often display symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). According to Koverola and Foy (1993), "children suffering from PTSD often enter an avoidance phase," in which they deny abuse or recant because they cannot cope with the anxiety aroused by traumatic memories. According to Koverola and Foy (1993), anxiety about court appearances or a change in the home environment may lead to denial or recantation.
Rieser ( 1991 ) has suggested that children may recant if they feel isolated from their natural support systems. Other writers speculate that recantation and denial may be a way for victims to "make it all go away" (Gonzalez, Waterman, Kelly, McCord, & Oliveri. 1993). In a summary of anecdotal evidence from psychotherapists. Fontes (1993) found that certain cultural groups may recant more often than others due to cultural taboos regarding sexual abuse. Research suggests that loyalty to family members. or fear of their reaction to abuse allegations. may also contribute to some denials, recantations, and reluctance to disclose (Farrell, 1988. Lawson & Chaffin, 1992; Sauzier. 1989).
Some authors have argued that denial and recantation are part of a process experienced by many victims of sexual abuse (Sorenson & Snow. 1991; Summit. 1983). In an influential article, Summit (1983; see also Summit. 1992) has described the disclosure process as the "Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome" (CSAAS). The CSAAS consists of five stages: (1) secrecy; (2) helplessness: (3) entrapment and accommodation; (4) delayed, unconvincing disclosure; and (5) retraction. According to Summit (1983), children retract their statements as part of a process of dealing with sexual abuse victimization.
That is an excellent point. But I've also found, and it seems to be more common now, that people suddenly remember -- realized -- that they were molested as a child. Like when a Dad carries his kid and has his hand on her butt or comes behind her to lift her up on his shoulder that now he's grabbing her baby boobs and giving her a neck to crotch massage.
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They also realise that it may break up their otherwise stable environment.
Bing-Fing-Oh!
I would just change the word "stable" to "familiar"
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Harley, i knew you wouldn't defend a Nazi at Nuremberg, I was asking how you would argue against their defence of "just doing my job" as a prosecutor? Sure they were flawed human beings, but their job was the same as thousands of others, so there must have been a societal acceptance. How would you argue against their defence in order to secure the deserved guilty verdict?
It's not so much that he wouldn't defend a Nazi that gave me pause, it's the reason he wouldn't defend a Nazi. It's because his grandfather was killed by a Nazi.
That ignores of the issue of right and wrong. Why would it change anything if his grandfather wasn't killed by a Nazi? What about the others whose grandfather were killed? Don't they matter?
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Harley, please stop responding to the any questions regarding your moral compass regarding your criminal defense work.
You owe no one anything here and have provided more help an information than anyone ever has on Getbig.
Of course none of us owes anything to anyone here. But this thread is about Harley and as it progressed and we got to know him better and find him irresistibly interesting we want greater insight into him as a person. Despite his claim, I do believe you are what you do. What you do at work, at home, on the Jiu-Jitsu mat, in the weight room....
If at anytime it becomes too much for him he can just walk away. Nobody will like it, Be There expects it, and many will mock and criticize him for it. And he'll just be one of the many long, long list of people who got chased off GetBig.
But what the hell, his real life seems more fulfilling than being on GetBig.
I wish I could say the same. :'(
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If Harley no longer wants to discuss his job perhaps he should stop talking about the bottom barrel, pieces of shit clients he has.
No need to beat around the bush. Just make your point clearly and plainly.
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6) I fully understand how people despise child abusers. I even gave you the name of a client whose case was so repulsive that I still have nightmares when
I think about the photos in the Discovery. I actually removed myself from the case. Yet no one ever asked me about that case. Again, strange.
OK Harley, I will ask you about if if I may.
You have in the past excused your defence of the worthless pieces of shit you defend by saying "everyone in America deserves to be treated with "respect and dignity" by the law, i.e., everyone should be allowed a case that is not corrupted and his upheld by the proper law."
If that's the case, why didn't you defend that guy?
Are you saying that some pieces of shit don't deserve to be defended, or that you personally found his behavior so abhorrent that you were not prepared to do it.
Regardless, I'm not sure how you can now justify your choice of clients now with the "Im doing my job" excuse.
Are you are saying that the sucker punch kids behavior is on an acceptable level to you and that the child abusers isnt and as such he doesn't get your help?
Im getting mixed messages.
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Of course none of us owes anything to anyone here. But this thread is about Harley and as it progressed and we got to know him better and find him irresistibly interesting we want greater insight into him as a person. Despite his claim, I do believe you are what you do. What you do at work, at home, on the Jiu-Jitsu mat, in the weight room....
If at anytime it becomes too much for him he can just walk away. Nobody will like it, Be There expects it, and many will mock and criticize him for it. And he'll just be one of the many long, long list of people who got chased off GetBig.
But what the hell, his real life seems more fulfilling than being on GetBig.
I wish I could say the same. :'(
Speak for yourself mate.
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Dear Harley,
You might be too young to remember (how often do you hear that?) the incredible and bizarre case of the McMartin Preschool sexual abuse trial.
The McMartin Preschool was located in Manhattan Beach and I was living in the adjacent city Redondo Beach at the time. And man, oh man, was this big news. People in the area, including myself, wanted to march over there and burn the school down and lynch every damn one of them.
The trial lasted forever. I remember it started in 1983 but it wasn't until 1990 before the dust settled. The details are a bit fuzzy for me now but there are a few things that stand out. Things are not what they seem. It all started when the mother of a child attending the school accuse her ex-husband, who worked at the school, of sodomizing his/her son. The boy was also raped by the grandson of the founder of the school who also worked there as a teacher, Raymond Buckley.
It soon blew up to almost 400 children being sexually abused by the school. We all believe that the school was literally the den of the devil and how could such a thing happen to so many victims, for so long, without anything be said? The school was under police protection wearing riot gear surrounded by a rabid mob baying for blood. Me included -- lol!
Sympathies started to change as more time, investigation and evidence came out. That the instigator who hated her ex husband and threatened him in the past was diagnose with acute schizophrenia for many years preceding the accusations and died of alcoholism before the conclusion of the case. The bizarre allegations by the children under leading questions were mind boggling. Such things that stood out in my mind at the time were orgies in the class rooms, witches flying through the air sprinkling them with potions so that they would have sex with the adults, under ground tunnels where they would smuggle children from other schools to be raped; and the one that made me go "hmm..." that they brought in an elephant into the classroom to be gang raped as they were also into bestiality.
After all was said and done I went from wanting to burn the school down and lynch people to realizing it was all a lie. A horrible perverse that blew up in a way nobody expected, intended and wanted.
The manipulation of the children and the bias by the government prosecution was criminal. One of the children, as an adult, admitted that he never saw or experienced anything. Nothing at all. He said that during the brutal questioning -- interrogation -- when he was a child he said that whenever he gave an answer they didn't like he would just give another one. Ray Buckley served five years in jail without being convicted of a single thing. Even one of the inmates admitted that he made up the so called jail house confessions made by Buckley in exchange for favorable treatment promised by the prosecution on his other pending cases.
It was such a mess. Just a horrible, corrupt and evil mess. The McMartin Preschool and the McMartin/Buckley family was screw from the start. Their guilt was decided before they ever stepped into court and it was just a matter of going through the motions and establishing it formally.
Kids do lie, kids do make things up, kids are easily misled and manipulated by adults.
And just to be clear I am not in any way implying this is the case with the five year old girl. Just that things aren't always what they appear. We need to know when this five year old was examined.
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Speak for yourself mate.
Hah! I knew you would comment on that. (I'm still waiting on chaos)
Yet you're here with questions, challenges and comments aplenty!
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Welcome to the Thunder Dome.
You know that this is the most brutal forum on the net and it's history is littered with the bleached bones and mangled carcasses of those who thought they could say whatever they wanted and not be challenged.
I'm sure a lot saw this coming. Only Be There and chaos stated it openly. I just like to hope against hope.
If you're primarily a spectator and mind your place you'll do fine. If you want to have an opinion and express it you better have thicker skin than a rhino.
Hang in there Harley.
And there are many now still afraid to openly state how they feel about Harley in case the wind changes again at Getbig and good old Harley becomes flavour of the month after throwing a party for disabled kids and plastering the pictures everywhere.
to quote you above Pellius
"You know that this is the most brutal forum on the net and it's history is littered with the bleached bones and mangled carcasses of those who thought they could say whatever they wanted and not be challenged."
One things for certain, there wont be many backbones in the carcasses of many posters on here.
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And there are many now still afraid to openly state how they feel about Harley in case the wind changes again at Getbig and good old Harley becomes flavour of the month after throwing a party for disabled kids and plastering the pictures everywhere.
to quote you above Pellius
"You know that this is the most brutal forum on the net and it's history is littered with the bleached bones and mangled carcasses of those who thought they could say whatever they wanted and not be challenged."
One things for certain, there wont be many backbones in the carcasses of many posters on here.
No one ever accused you, least of all me, of being a sheep and following the safety and comfort of the mob.
Whether one likes you or not, which you've made abundantly clear that you are indifferent, no one can say that you lack back bone.
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5) Given that my grandfather was shot through the head with a rifle by a 19 year old SS Officer (Josef Wurst- later hanged at trial) and survived and my Dad went through the camps as well and saw Hitler live 2 times, I could not defend someone at Nuremburg.
But Harley, those soldiers were just doing their job, they are entitled to the best representation to ensure their rights dont get trampled on.
The job does not necessarily make the man, neither does the suit or flannel shirt or car he drives.
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But Harley, those soldiers were just doing their job, they are entitled to the best representation to ensure their rights dont get trampled on.
Well played.
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I think the obvious point with lawyers and solicitors is that it is a job. They are in it for the money and will equally prosecute someone they know is innocent as defend someone they know is guilty.
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I'm not sure why people are questioning Harley's character +120 pages into the thread. Surely people are aware that in order to be a successful lawyer, you cannot be someone who has strong moral values and integrity. No disrespect to Harley, but simply put - an virtuous and honorable man would not be able to do the job he does.
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Harley..
craig is def one of the nicest guys you could meet and I only met him few times,remember him back in 90's and his old trainer maz a local promoter,judge ,trainer to some great bbers then ..he was awesome as a teen and early 20's looked like a pro .he has a great build and what you said about him in regards to what needs to be done to be a competitive pro.he never put weight on easily ,he still came out on the good end of things stage wise with hime going for detail'look'than blowing out his body ugly..
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I'm not sure why people are questioning Harley's character +120 pages into the thread. Surely people are aware that in order to be a successful lawyer, you cannot be someone who has strong moral values and integrity. No disrespect to Harley, but simply put - an virtuous and honorable man would not be able to do the job he does.
Bullshit, it's called acting profesionally. You are not your job. Nor is a job necessarily a reflection of a person.
I once had a talk with a former-Commisioner of the EU, and he took pride in the fact that noone, during his time of being active, was able to pin-point his exact political affiliation. In doing so, he was able to cooperate with anyone and anyone, rather than being faced with obstructions due to personal views.
You could mistake that for lack of strong moral values and integrity, but it's not. If you're thinking in such black&white terms, then it's obvious you either 1. don't work in an environment where you're required to ensure proper protocol (checks-and-balances), or 2. you wouldn't succeed in such an environment.
In the case of the former-Commisioner, I'm certain he had his own political views and beliefs. But he kept this to himself and private circles as to not interfere with the job at hand. Harley is very much the same, and to attack his person simply because of the job he does, and indeed is an integral part of the justice system, is just outright ridiculous.
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I'm not sure why people are questioning Harley's character +120 pages into the thread. Surely people are aware that in order to be a successful lawyer, you cannot be someone who has strong moral values and integrity. No disrespect to Harley, but simply put - an virtuous and honorable man would not be able to do the job he does.
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Bullshit, it's called acting profesionally. You are not your job. Nor is a job necessarily a reflection of a person.
I once had a talk with a former-Commisioner of the EU, and he took pride in the fact that noone, during his time of being active, was able to pin-point his exact political affiliation. In doing so, he was able to cooperate with anyone and anyone, rather than being faced with obstructions due to personal views.
You could mistake that for lack of strong moral values and integrity, but it's not. If you're thinking in such black&white terms, then it's obvious you either 1. don't work in an environment where you're required to ensure proper protocol (checks-and-balances), or 2. you wouldn't succeed in such an environment.
In the case of the former-Commisioner, I'm certain he had his own political views and beliefs. But he kept this to himself and private circles as to not interfere with the job at hand. Harley is very much the same, and to attack his person simply because of the job he does, and indeed is an integral part of the justice system, is just outright ridiculous.
You are missing the point which is that in order to do a job like that in the first place, you would need to be someone who is happy to manipulate the truth and potentially put others at risk - while still sleeping soundly at night and having a clear conscience. That isn't something some people (including myself) could do. I fully understand that it is all part of the system though.
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Bullshit, it's called acting profesionally. You are not your job. Nor is a job necessarily a reflection of a person.
I once had a talk with a former-Commisioner of the EU, and he took pride in the fact that noone, during his time of being active, was able to pin-point his exact political affiliation. In doing so, he was able to cooperate with anyone and anyone, rather than being faced with obstructions due to personal views.
You could mistake that for lack of strong moral values and integrity, but it's not. If you're thinking in such black&white terms, then it's obvious you either 1. don't work in an environment where you're required to ensure proper protocol (checks-and-balances), or 2. you wouldn't succeed in such an environment.
In the case of the former-Commisioner, I'm certain he had his own political views and beliefs. But he kept this to himself and private circles as to not interfere with the job at hand. Harley is very much the same, and to attack his person simply because of the job he does, and indeed is an integral part of the justice system, is just outright ridiculous.
the SS officers and soldiers who tortured and killed thousands during the war were just doing their job, are you saying that after the war all repercussions are off?
and you have to remember Harley relishes in his victories when he gets a scumbag off the hook, for him its getting one over on the system.
Go read his posts.
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the SS officers and soldiers who tortured and killed thousands during the war were just doing their job, are you saying that after the war all repercussions are off?
and you have to remember Harley relishes in his victories when he gets a scumbag off the hook, for him its getting one over on the system.
Go read his posts.
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No need to beat around the bush. Just make your point clearly and plainly.
I'm not sure how much clearer I could make my point ???
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Precisely. I'm not meaning to attack Harley for the sake of it but in light of the recent cases he has shared with us, i feel it does raise some interesting points and i find his stance questionable. I know Harley has previously articulated the need to remain impartial in order to ensure that the state is functioning in an unbiased manner in accordance to the laws that it has set, and he has already freely admitted that he removes himself from the cases which he feels personally affected by, such as animal cruelty or hypothetically defending a Nazi. I understand this but it negates any argument that he remains impartial, as he chooses the cases he takes on, based upon his ability to remain neutral or not. I mentioned previously that i could not understand the distinction he is able to make regarding defending a paedophile or an animal abuser; both are deplorable and he noted that he can’t quite explain why he is able to do so. If Harley isn't willing to hypothetically defend a 19 year old who killed his grandfather upon orders- in a time of war, then i also fail to see how he is able to defend a teenager who knocked somebody’s grandfather unconscious in an unprovoked attack which could well have resulted in death, and was done as part of a "game".
It means that he doesn't remain impartial, and he doesn't defend people based upon the need to ensure a fair trial. It seems disingenuous to advise your client to plead not guilty in a case which has concrete video evidence to prove otherwise and it would indicate to me that he is more concerned with winning a game of one-upmanship against the “bureaucrats” of the state, rather than ensuring justice is served. Surely in a case such as this, where it is arguable that the accused allegedly suffers from mental health issues, the only tenable position to take would be to advise him to plead guilty and seek leniency in sentencing due to diminished responsibility; ensuring that the accused is at least locked up in a secure hospital, rather than free to roam the streets again, risking the lives of innocent members of society?
The other example he gave regarding the alleged rape of a 5 year old was shocking to read. Granted, it may have been down to his poor wording, but to describe a child of that age as a “habitual liar” seems to be egregiously inappropriate, as is claiming that the alleged rapist did not receive a fair trial in his opinion, therefore he was happy in the not guilty verdict, and enjoyed being able to shove the verdict down the government’s necks. He said it himself: "I were to get "someone off on a technicality" I would view that as a win. I found the technicality, I told the State and they still couldn't stop me. The role of a Defense Attorney is not to "seek justice" but rather, ensure that an INJUSTICE in terms of the legality of the investigation"
That’s why i asked Harley how he would argue against the Nazi’s defence of "just doing my job" if he was prosecutor. I am sure he would be able to argue against this brilliantly, but i believe he would be making a rod for his own back in doing so.
Again, i don’t wish to attack Harley unnecessarily, and appreciate that he does a lot for people on here. I just think the recent cases discussed here are worthy of debate, and it would be interesting to hear any opposing views from Harley or Khan, perhaps.
Great post.
I suppose if Harleys dad had been a victim of a knockout game the shitbag he is now defending would have been without a lawyer.
Harley picks clients not on what he can do for his client, its what his client can do for him.
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I'm not sure how much clearer I could make my point ???
Sarcasm gone bad.
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Great post.
I suppose if Harleys dad had been a victim of a knockout game the shitbag he is now defending would have been without a lawyer.
Harley picks clients not on what he can do for his client, its what his client can do for him.
Well, I don't see anything wrong for getting in a business deal or any situation asking what's in it for you.
The issue is the moral trade off. Obviously there is something in it for me if I steal that vast stock pile of HGH you have hidden in the back of your fridge but at what cost to my soul?
If Harley gets a pedophile off on a technicality of course there will be moral outrage on my part. Other than writing him death threats what am I going to do about it? Now, if the pedo got off and it was my child, then it might be worth it to me to murder the offender and take my chances. Maybe have Harley defend me to rebalance the scale of justice.
But there are cases where it would be worth it for one to sacrifice their life to see that justice is done.
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You are missing the point which is that in order to do a job like that in the first place, you would need to be someone who is happy to manipulate the truth and potentially put others at risk - while still sleeping soundly at night and having a clear conscience. That isn't something some people (including myself) could do. I fully understand that it is all part of the system though.
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Exactly. You are what you do. You're not just your job but your job is a part of you. What you choose as a job says what kind of person you are. It takes a certain type of person to want to be a Priest, an MMA fighter, an actor, a mob hitman...
And what you do can change the type of person you become. I remember how nervous and scared I was when I shop lifted. If I kept doing it, it would have gotten easier and easier. Soon there would be no fear or nervousness. Stealing would be just another day at the office. So though it wasn't in my nature at the time to be a thief, simply by acting and behaving like a thief I transformed myself into a thief.
What you choose to do, as well as what you actually do, says a lot about what kind of person you are.
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Of course your job, to a certain extent, is a reflection of who you are. However, it does depend on the job. If someone takes a job as a sanitation worker just for a paycheck and a pension, then I could totally understand why it may not be a reflection of their personality.
On the other hand, people who go to school for a LONG time to become a specific profession (PhD, MD, Law), do often see themselves in their job, i.e., their job is a reflection of who they are. Of course someone who is a doctor is going to have a constellation of personality traits that may be different than someone else. CEOs and business people also have a constellation of personality traits.
Now, what job we have is only ONE aspect of our self. People have multiple selves and often identify with different social identities. Often, a profession is one thing that many people strongly identify with.
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Of course your job, to a certain extent, is a reflection of who you are. However, it does depend on the job. If someone takes a job as a sanitation worker just for a paycheck and a pension, then I could totally understand why it may not be a reflection of their personality.
On the other hand, people who go to school for a LONG time to become a specific profession (PhD, MD, Law), do often see themselves in their job, i.e., their job is a reflection of who they are. Of course someone who is a doctor is going to have a constellation of personality traits that may be different than someone else. CEOs and business people also have a constellation of personality traits.
Now, what job we have is only ONE aspect of our self. People have multiple selves and often identify with different social identities. Often, a profession is one thing that many people strongly identify with.
True, that's why I wanted to be sure to say that you are not JUST your job. But it does say something about a person if they take a less intrinsically satisfying job than a challenging one. This is not a comment on their character as that depends on the job. Being satisfied in life working as a cashier at McDonald's and being satisfied being a prostitute may show a lack of ambition on both but I would imagine there would be a difference in ones level of personal honor and dignity.
And of course there are life situations that limit one's choices. If you are raised in a family of 15 where you are a third generation welfare recipient and graduating high school is not assured, let alone even thinking about going to college, then just holding a job is exceptional.
And there are instances where jobs are so demanding and so important to you that it does define who you are. Remember, it was Harley himself who said on this thread, "What would I be if I didn't talk about my job?" Unaware of the fact that I can't think of anybody here that talks about his job. If they do it's usually not about the job per se but something that happened on the job. So surely Harley considers his job part of who he is whether or not he admits it.
I think a lot, if not most, of Trump's sense of self worth and who he is, is because he's a billionaire businessman. Same with Kobe the basketball player, Madonna the singer, or even, tragically, Ronnie the bodybuilder.
But yes, no one thing defines you, but some things define you more than others, but what you are is a conglomeration of what you do.
Maybe with Harley, with his charities and civil and respectful demeanor; versus his occupation, we are trying to determine what washes out in the end.
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the issue with Harley is that he claims to be doing the job he does is because he believes that EVERYONE is entitled to a fair trial and not be railroaded by the system, then in the same breath picks and chooses his clients based on his so called principles, I would have more respect for him if he took every client regardless of their crime, at least then he would be sticking to his original premise.
Now we can only assume that the clients he chooses are ones that he has sympathy with and thinks they deserve his help, and with this in mind Harleys choices reflect on him as a person.
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the issue with Harley is that he claims to be doing the job he does is because he believes that EVERYONE is entitled to a fair trial and not be railroaded by the system, then in the same breath picks and chooses his clients based on his so called principles, I would have more respect for him if he took every client regardless of their crime, at least then he would be sticking to his original premise.
Now we can only assume that the clients he chooses are ones that he has sympathy with and thinks they deserve his help, and with this in mind Harleys choices reflect on him as a person.
Nobody can take everyone.
Now your second paragraph, adding in your previous comment that a client is also chosen that will benefit him (nothing wrong with that in and of itself), is something to seriously consider.
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the issue with Harley is that he claims to be doing the job he does is because he believes that EVERYONE is entitled to a fair trial and not be railroaded by the system, then in the same breath picks and chooses his clients based on his so called principles, I would have more respect for him if he took every client regardless of their crime, at least then he would be sticking to his original premise.
Now we can only assume that the clients he chooses are ones that he has sympathy with and thinks they deserve his help, and with this in mind Harleys choices reflect on him as a person.
Perhaps he does so because otherwise he can't guarantee a fair unbiased service? There is absolutely no point in taking on clients when you can't guarantee remaining impartial. As far as principles go, some things are simply harder to swallow than others. There doesn't need to be a clear-cut underlying reason, it could be simply so. I could watch ISIS/Mexican chainsaw beheadings/etc all day and not so much as flinch. But when I see an animal get hurt, I get enraged. Just as an example.
Whether someone deserves help or not is out of the question, as it is an integral part of the system to defend the innocent from wrongly accused, or otherwise ensure the right outcome. Regardless, you do not have to agree or condone what a client has done. So long as you atleast towards the outside can maintain an image of impartialness and perform your job.
Getting a rapist off with minimal sentencing does not mean you're going to have dinner with him that evening, and invite him for a game of golf later on in the week.
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If I ever get committed of a crime I didn't commit I sure as hell would want my lawyer "all in" and it boggles my mind how some are basically saying "guilty" people don't deserve their basic rights. I suggest you go read about "purges" that run rampant throughout countries where people, even important people cannot defend themselves properly.
It still happens today outside our wonderful dystopia of America, so you'll find plenty to read.
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If I ever get committed of a crime I didn't commit I sure as hell would want my lawyer "all in" and it boggles my mind how some are basically saying "guilty" people don't deserve their basic rights. I suggest you go read about "purges" that run rampant throughout countries where people, even important people cannot defend themselves properly.
It still happens today outside our wonderful dystopia of America, so you'll find plenty to read.
Who said guilty people don't deserve basic rights?
The overwhelming consensus is that everyone deserves a fair trial and that justice is done. The issue is that a guilty or not guilty person not get justice due to technicalities and slick "lawyering".
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Who said guilty people don't deserve basic rights?
The overwhelming consensus is that everyone deserves a fair trial and that justice is done. The issue is that a guilty or not guilty person not get justice due to technicalities and slick "lawyering".
The real issue is that such technicalities and 'slick lawyering' are able to influence outcomes. Which indicates there are major flaws in the system, since they are apparently readily available to be exploited. As such, people like Harley are doing a service in bringing such technicalities and loopholes to the forefront, allowing for future; - better prosecution, - better sentencing. This, in the long-run, will ensure proper functioning of the system.
You guys are way too hung up on single cases, and don't focus enough on the bigger picture. Harley is but a gear in an immense adminstrative machine, which has the power to dramatically change the lives of those being prosecuted, whether innocent or not. The technicalities on which a gun-point robber gets off today, may drive the prosecutor to not make any mistakes in the next case involving a serial-killer, and so on. Harley is providing a service, not only to his clients but the system as a whole.
Does this mean that Harley will be happy if lets say a child-molester gets off on a technicality (who otherwise would be found guilty), to then go on to molest? No. Ofcourse not. Harley is responsible for the proper functioning of the system, himself included. And only that. His task ends after a verdict is made. He is not responsible for the behaviour of his clients after that, however putrid it may be.
Once again, this does not mean Harley is devoid of opinion or bias. Simply that to perform his job well, such feelings should not influence outcomes.
If the above example of the hypothetical child molester does indeed go on to molest children and is later found guilty, I'm sure Harley will reflect.
However, he cannot be held accountable for the actions of others. Look at convicted criminals who are repeat offenders?
When a sentence is served they are re-introduced into society on the premise they have 'paid for their crime'. Yet if they then go on to commit another crime, how will you argue then? The sentence wasn't high enough? The prosecutors didn't push hard enough? Ofcourse not, because you assume people are responsible for their own actions, and that they learn from their mistakes and won't repeat them. Yet, some still do.
Unless we go back to less civil ways where people are hung or flung into a river whilst bagged, such permanent solutions do not exist. And we are to belief in the better nature of man. Maximizing the efficiency of the justice system, in an attempt to deter future violations and crimes. Harley, and others, are doing just that.
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what about prosecutors and cops trying to use every so called loophole etc to convict someone who may not be guilty? They use the system in the same way a defence lawyer does.
what I have noticed even in my own life is we always jump the gun and want blood when someone has allegedly wronged society or allegedly wrong us before facts are in, UNTIL it is us on the other side of the table...that would go for legal stuff as much as everyday nonsense at home, work, with friends, enemies, online etc
if guilty people get off via defence, then the opposite is true as well
re the 5 year old, well my argument is 5 year olds don't just walk up and say that an adult is trying to hurt/fuck them in any way unless it is actually happening because 99.99999% of normal society including parents would not touch a child there in that way so something fucked up was going on there
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Nobody can take everyone.
Now your second paragraph, adding in your previous comment that a client is also chosen that will benefit him (nothing wrong with that in and of itself), is something to seriously consider.
Thats not what I meant, and you know it,. he shouldn't pick and choose if he expects people to believe his "I believe everyone is entitled to..." mantra.
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what about prosecutors and cops trying to use every so called loophole etc to convict someone who may not be guilty? They use the system in the same way a defence lawyer does.
what I have noticed even in my own life is we always jump the gun and want blood when someone has allegedly wronged society or allegedly wrong us before facts are in, UNTIL it is us on the other side of the table...that would go for legal stuff as much as everyday nonsense at home, work, with friends, enemies, online etc
if guilty people get off via defence, then the opposite is true as well
re the 5 year old, well my argument is 5 year olds don't just walk up and say that an adult is trying to hurt/fuck them in any way unless it is actually happening because 99.99999% of normal society including parents would not touch a child there in that way so something fucked up was going on there
Start a thread on it, it has nothing to do with Harley.
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Thats not what I meant, and you know it,. he shouldn't pick and choose if he expects people to believe his "I believe everyone is entitled to..." mantra.
Everyone is indeed entitled to a fair trail and an unbiased defense.
Doesn't mean Harley needs to represent everyone he meets.
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Youse guys are mixing up lawyering with morality. And, justice is a whole 'nother ting.
/look for a '13' tattoo
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Everyone is indeed entitled to a fair trail and an unbiased defense.
Doesn't mean Harley needs to represent everyone he meets.
He does tend to represent quite a few pieces of shit though doesnt he?
The trial of the guy accused of raping the 5 year old for example.
Seems he felt that guy was deserving of his services.
Maybe he needs to have an affinity with the people he represents, not sure how else hes going to base his choices.
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He does tend to represent quite a few pieces of shit though doesnt he?
The trial of the guy accused of raping the 5 year old for example.
Seems he felt that guy was deserving of his services.
Maybe he needs to have an affinity with the people he represents, not sure how else hes going to base his choices.
yeah every defense lawyer shouold only represent inocent people otherwise they support crimimals ::)
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yeah every defense lawyer shouold only represent inocent people otherwise they support crimimals ::)
This.
;D
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Making some good points, Sokolsky. Overall good posts.
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yeah every defense lawyer shouold only represent inocent people otherwise they support crimimals ::)
thats a good point, it doesnt really counter the point I was making though.
For the record, lawyers only represent innocent people. ;)
The only guilty people they represent are those seeking an appeal.
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thats a good point, it doesnt really counter the point I was making though.
For the record, lawyers only represent innocent people. ;)
The only guilty people they represent are those seeking an appeal.
Hey, high and mighty. Been told that the only shitty clients are the truly innocent. Digest that. :-\
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Hey, high and mighty. Been told that the only shitty clients are the truly innocent. Digest that. :-\
Did "they" tell you, or was it "the man in the pub"?
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Did "they" tell you, or was it "the man in the pub"?
Kinda funny.
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the SS officers and soldiers who tortured and killed thousands during the war were just doing their job, are you saying that after the war all repercussions are off?
and you have to remember Harley relishes in his victories when he gets a scumbag off the hook, for him its getting one over on the system.
Go read his posts.
The argument of "just doing their job" is only applicable within certain parameters. There is a huge difference between a soldier fighting in the trenches, and a doctor Mengele conducting human trails. Personal accountability comes in when individuals go beyond 'reasonable' activities associated with their job. Hence why individuals who were deemed to have peformed despicable acts were prosecuted in subsequent Nuremberg trials.
A soldier in the trenches taking shots at the 'enemy' is vastly different from a camp security guard pooring Zyklone-B into the gaschambers.
Despite what role the SS may have played, individuals still have the right to a fair trail. And as such also have the right to an atterney.
Now you might think; who the hell would defend a Nazi, much less an SS officer?. Well, how else will you get to the truth? How else will you ensure the proper functioning of the judicial system? How else will you prove that in the bigger picture, you were indeed right to intervene and take action against the Nazi regime?
Ensuring a fair trail, making sure the proper proceedings are followed, to reach the right verdict. Has many, many implications. It ensures innocent people are not victimized by the judicial system, it in turn provides legitimacy to the judicial system, legitimacy to democracy, the proper functioning of the state and not least providing closure to those affected.
Not discounting scumbags do indeed sometimes get off. Which is regrettable. But this is an intrinsic part of a flawed system. Which becomes a little less flawed everytime a case reaches the 'right' verdict, and procedures and individuals working within the system become more efficient.
He does tend to represent quite a few pieces of shit though doesnt he?
The trial of the guy accused of raping the 5 year old for example.
Seems he felt that guy was deserving of his services.
Maybe he needs to have an affinity with the people he represents, not sure how else hes going to base his choices.
There are good apples, bad apples, and questionable apples. Only by investigating, analyzing and assessing will you know which is which.
But for that you will need a system to ensure that;
- that good apples are labeled as good apples
- bad apples are labeled as bad
- and the questionable apples are sorted in the applicable boxes.
You need people on both side of the fence, to make sure that each player does their job. This is basic checks-and-balances.
Whether Harley has ensured proper proceedings for "quite a few pieces of shit", I honestly wouldn't know, as I did not have a look at his case history, nor do I care for it. However, it is clear your opinion about individuals is shaped prior, without having full-disclosure.
The trails are a process to find the truth, to both protect the innocent, while handing out appropriate punishment to the guilty. Yes, sometimes the system fails, which may be especially hard to swallow for some. But a criminal is only a criminal for the law if found guilty and convicted. That's how it is. And so long as people are finding loopholes, and bad protocols, there is a chance to improve the system.
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Who said guilty people don't deserve basic rights?
The overwhelming consensus is that everyone deserves a fair trial and that justice is done. The issue is that a guilty or not guilty person not get justice due to technicalities and slick "lawyering".
So whats the answer?
You only apply the law when it is in the outcome you desire?
The rules are all there... the lawyers follow them. They don't make them up.
So if the lawyer was "slick" then is that just another way of saying he did the best possible job defending his client?
Can the defense lawyer be held accountable for a judge being corrupt or a prosecutor working for the state being poor at their job?
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The argument of "just doing their job" is only applicable within certain parameters. There is a huge difference between a soldier fighting in the trenches, and a doctor Mengele conducting human trails. Personal accountability comes in when individuals go beyond 'reasonable' activities associated with their job. Hence why individuals who were deemed to have peformed despicable acts were prosecuted in subsequent Nuremberg trials.
A soldier in the trenches taking shots at the 'enemy' is vastly different from a camp security guard pooring Zyklone-B into the gaschambers.
Despite what role the SS may have played, individuals still have the right to a fair trail. And as such also have the right to an atterney.
Now you might think; who the hell would defend a Nazi, much less an SS officer?. Well, how else will you get to the truth? How else will you ensure the proper functioning of the judicial system? How else will you prove that in the bigger picture, you were indeed right to intervene and take action against the Nazi regime?
Ensuring a fair trail, making sure the proper proceedings are followed, to reach the right verdict. Has many, many implications. It ensures innocent people are not victimized by the judicial system, it in turn provides legitimacy to the judicial system, legitimacy to democracy, the proper functioning of the state and not least providing closure to those affected.
Not discounting scumbags do indeed sometimes get off. Which is regrettable. But this is an intrinsic part of a flawed system. Which becomes a little less flawed everytime a case reaches the 'right' verdict, and procedures and individuals working within the system become more efficient.
There are good apples, bad apples, and questionable apples. Only by investigating, analyzing and assessing will you know which is which.
But for that you will need a system to ensure that;
- that good apples are labeled as good apples
- bad apples are labeled as bad
- and the questionable apples are sorted in the applicable boxes.
You need people on both side of the fence, to make sure that each player does their job. This is basic checks-and-balances.
Whether Harley has ensured proper proceedings for "quite a few pieces of shit", I honestly wouldn't know, as I did not have a look at his case history, nor do I care for it. However, it is clear your opinion about individuals is shaped prior, without having full-disclosure.
The trails are a process to find the truth, to both protect the innocent, while handing out appropriate punishment to the guilty. Yes, sometimes the system fails, which may be especially hard to swallow for some. But a criminal is only a criminal for the law if found guilty and convicted. That's how it is. And so long as people are finding loopholes, and bad protocols, there is a chance to improve the system.
You seem to be putting a lot of effort into your posts responding to someone whos just fucking about.
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Precisely. I'm not meaning to attack Harley for the sake of it but in light of the recent cases he has shared with us, i feel it does raise some interesting points and i find his stance questionable. I know Harley has previously articulated the need to remain impartial in order to ensure that the state is functioning in an unbiased manner in accordance to the laws that it has set, and he has already freely admitted that he removes himself from the cases which he feels personally affected by, such as animal cruelty or hypothetically defending a Nazi. I understand this but it negates any argument that he remains impartial, as he chooses the cases he takes on, based upon his ability to remain neutral or not. I mentioned previously that i could not understand the distinction he is able to make regarding defending a paedophile or an animal abuser; both are deplorable and he noted that he can’t quite explain why he is able to do so. If Harley isn't willing to hypothetically defend a 19 year old who killed his grandfather upon orders- in a time of war, then i also fail to see how he is able to defend a teenager who knocked somebody’s grandfather unconscious in an unprovoked attack which could well have resulted in death, and was done as part of a "game".
It means that he doesn't remain impartial, and he doesn't defend people based upon the need to ensure a fair trial. It seems disingenuous to advise your client to plead not guilty in a case which has concrete video evidence to prove otherwise and it would indicate to me that he is more concerned with winning a game of one-upmanship against the “bureaucrats” of the state, rather than ensuring justice is served. Surely in a case such as this, where it is arguable that the accused allegedly suffers from mental health issues, the only tenable position to take would be to advise him to plead guilty and seek leniency in sentencing due to diminished responsibility; ensuring that the accused is at least locked up in a secure hospital, rather than free to roam the streets again, risking the lives of innocent members of society?
The other example he gave regarding the alleged rape of a 5 year old was shocking to read. Granted, it may have been down to his poor wording, but to describe a child of that age as a “habitual liar” seems to be egregiously inappropriate, as is claiming that the alleged rapist did not receive a fair trial in his opinion, therefore he was happy in the not guilty verdict, and enjoyed being able to shove the verdict down the government’s necks. He said it himself: "I were to get "someone off on a technicality" I would view that as a win. I found the technicality, I told the State and they still couldn't stop me. The role of a Defense Attorney is not to "seek justice" but rather, ensure that an INJUSTICE in terms of the legality of the investigation"
That’s why i asked Harley how he would argue against the Nazi’s defence of "just doing my job" if he was prosecutor. I am sure he would be able to argue against this brilliantly, but i believe he would be making a rod for his own back in doing so.
Again, i don’t wish to attack Harley unnecessarily, and appreciate that he does a lot for people on here. I just think the recent cases discussed here are worthy of debate, and it would be interesting to hear any opposing views from Harley or Khan, perhaps.
A very, very challenging and thought provoking post. I "gulped" at least twice reading it.
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Thats not what I meant, and you know it,. he shouldn't pick and choose if he expects people to believe his "I believe everyone is entitled to..." mantra.
Actually, I didn't know it. Everyone picks and choose and it's not inconsistent with the mantra that "everyone in entitled to."
Every fat chick is entitled to a boyfriend, just not with me.
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The real issue is that such technicalities and 'slick lawyering' are able to influence outcomes. Which indicates there are major flaws in the system, since they are apparently readily available to be exploited. As such, people like Harley are doing a service in bringing such technicalities and loopholes to the forefront, allowing for future; - better prosecution, - better sentencing. This, in the long-run, will ensure proper functioning of the system.
You guys are way too hung up on single cases, and don't focus enough on the bigger picture. Harley is but a gear in an immense adminstrative machine, which has the power to dramatically change the lives of those being prosecuted, whether innocent or not. The technicalities on which a gun-point robber gets off today, may drive the prosecutor to not make any mistakes in the next case involving a serial-killer, and so on. Harley is providing a service, not only to his clients but the system as a whole.
Does this mean that Harley will be happy if lets say a child-molester gets off on a technicality (who otherwise would be found guilty), to then go on to molest? No. Ofcourse not. Harley is responsible for the proper functioning of the system, himself included. And only that. His task ends after a verdict is made. He is not responsible for the behaviour of his clients after that, however putrid it may be.
Once again, this does not mean Harley is devoid of opinion or bias. Simply that to perform his job well, such feelings should not influence outcomes.
If the above example of the hypothetical child molester does indeed go on to molest children and is later found guilty, I'm sure Harley will reflect.
However, he cannot be held accountable for the actions of others. Look at convicted criminals who are repeat offenders?
When a sentence is served they are re-introduced into society on the premise they have 'paid for their crime'. Yet if they then go on to commit another crime, how will you argue then? The sentence wasn't high enough? The prosecutors didn't push hard enough? Ofcourse not, because you assume people are responsible for their own actions, and that they learn from their mistakes and won't repeat them. Yet, some still do.
Unless we go back to less civil ways where people are hung or flung into a river whilst bagged, such permanent solutions do not exist. And we are to belief in the better nature of man. Maximizing the efficiency of the justice system, in an attempt to deter future violations and crimes. Harley, and others, are doing just that.
Yes, there are flaws in the system. Is it justice that a guilty person gets off because they are exploited? Say that knock out guy gets off because he claims he didn't hear his rights read because there was ambulance blazing by at the same time (true story), would that be justice? If a cop makes a mistake in procedure or even violates the law that should be a separate case. He should be charged in a separated case. It should not distract from the fact that the prep was guilty.
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Personally, I dislike when scummy lawyers work the system to reduce a persons sentence, i.e., a child molester gets 4 years instead of 15 years.
Lets not ignore the fact that there is something specific about Harley's personality that allows him to make deals with the court regarding scummy people. I could never be criminal defense lawyer because my conscience would eat away at me. The fact that Harley has no issues getting a child molester off with a reduced sentence does show something about his personality. Most people would be mortified by this.
So, while Harley is doing his job, we can't ignore the fact that there is something fundamental about who Harley is, which allows him to sleep at night, knowing full well that a child molester is roaming the streets because he got them a reduced sentence. Hell, there are many jobs I wouldn't do because I don't have the personality for it. One of them is being a criminal defense lawyer.
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So whats the answer?
You only apply the law when it is in the outcome you desire?
The rules are all there... the lawyers follow them. They don't make them up.
So if the lawyer was "slick" then is that just another way of saying he did the best possible job defending his client?
Can the defense lawyer be held accountable for a judge being corrupt or a prosecutor working for the state being poor at their job?
I'm completely sure what you mean. I was disputing your accusation that some are saying that guilty people don't deserve basic rights. I don't think anybody is saying that.
When you ask "what's the answer?" I'm going to assume you mean what to do about the slick lawyers that get people off on technicalities. Meaning things having nothing to do with the crime itself but procedure. I remember a case where a rapist, jailed and released multiple times, got off on yet another rape as he claimed he was beaten up by the cops. He did resist arrest, that was determined as factual, what was so clear was what constituted being beaten up. This was before every facet of our lives are now recorded on film. He got off even though there was no doubt he raped the women. She was severely beaten up and he didn't use a condom so DNA was confirmed. Still, he got off -- on a technicality.
What's the answer? Nothing. Just try to get as wealthy as possible as money protects you from so, so many things. But there is an answer for the individual lawyer. Sort of. Since we're talking about Harley we ask that he examine himself and do some soul searching. Does he want to be the type of man that will get a guilty person off just because he can? Sometimes people do things because that's what he was trained to do. Sometimes if a person starts to examine what they do and the repercussions it might put a different perspective on things.
BTW, I am not in any way saying that Harley gets people off on technicalities.
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Harley, will you be defending Jared?
Ex-Subway pitchman Fogle seeks shorter prison sentence
An attorney for former Subway pitchman Jared Fogle is asking a federal appeals court to shorten the more than 15-year prison sentence he received for possessing child pornography and paying for sex with underage girls.
The appeal filed Friday argues that the District Court judge in Indianapolis abused her authority by giving Fogle a sentence three years longer than the maximum term prosecutors agreed to pursue as part of his plea deal.
The appeal argues that the judge's sentence is unreasonable and undermines the trust needed to negotiate plea agreements.
Fogle was sentenced in November on one count each of distributing and receiving child porn and traveling to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a child.
A spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office declined to comment on Fogle's appeal.
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Is Harley licensed to practice law in Indiana?
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Is Harley licensed to practice law in Indiana?
If there is a child molester to be defended and money to be made, Harley will find a way to get licensed in Indiana!!
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If there is a child molester to be defended and money to be made, Harley will find a way to get licensed in Indiana!!
LOL.
Come on.
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thats a good point, it doesnt really counter the point I was making though.
For the record, lawyers only represent innocent people. ;)
The only guilty people they represent are those seeking an appeal.
i haha good point
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Harley, will you be defending Jared?
Ex-Subway pitchman Fogle seeks shorter prison sentence
An attorney for former Subway pitchman Jared Fogle is asking a federal appeals court to shorten the more than 15-year prison sentence he received for possessing child pornography and paying for sex with underage girls.
The appeal filed Friday argues that the District Court judge in Indianapolis abused her authority by giving Fogle a sentence three years longer than the maximum term prosecutors agreed to pursue as part of his plea deal.
The appeal argues that the judge's sentence is unreasonable and undermines the trust needed to negotiate plea agreements.
Fogle was sentenced in November on one count each of distributing and receiving child porn and traveling to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a child.
A spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office declined to comment on Fogle's appeal.
there should be no such thing as plea agreements, they either have evidence top convict or not.
Plea deals are made by shitbags who should get life who get a lesser sentence to convenience the court.
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You seem to be putting a lot of effort into your posts responding to someone whos just fucking about.
Only takes me a couple of minutes to jot down some thoughts in between breaks.
Makes for a good chance of topics inbetween digging through EU mechanisms and legislation.
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Yes, there are flaws in the system. Is it justice that a guilty person gets off because they are exploited? Say that knock out guy gets off because he claims he didn't hear his rights read because there was ambulance blazing by at the same time (true story), would that be justice? If a cop makes a mistake in procedure or even violates the law that should be a separate case. He should be charged in a separated case. It should not distract from the fact that the prep was guilty.
"Justice" in and of itself is a very flawed concept. Justice has much more to do with personal bias and pre-conceived notions of guilt and less so with the workings of the judicial system. For example: Is it justice when someone murders your parent(s), and only receives a 15 year sentence with the possibility of reduced sentencing? For the law perhaps, but certainly not for the surviving family.
If a cop makes a mistake in procedure or even violates the law that should be a separate case. He should be charged in a separated case. It should not distract from the fact that the prep was guilty.
Indeed, law enforcement should be reprimanded if not prosecuted for failing to comply with established procedures.
However, since failing to follow proper protocol has the potential to influence the proceedings of a case, it should not be simply disregarded.
Guilt before the law can only be established when all established protocols are followed, and all rights are ensured.
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LOL.
Come on.
Lawyers will take any case to earn a buck.
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there should be no such thing as plea agreements, they either have evidence top convict or not.
Plea deals are made by shitbags who should get life who get a lesser sentence to convenience the court.
Exactly. A plea agreement for a child molester is ridiculous. This is why people think lawyers are scummy. He committed the crime. There is overwhelming evidence. Hell, I even think he admitted to it.
Why would a lawyer want to see a child molester get a reduced sentence? I guess he is still on the payroll.
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Lawyers will take any case to earn a buck.
I don't think that's true for every lawyer.
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I don't think that's true for every lawyer.
You're right, its not true for EVERY lawyer. Only about 99.9% of them.
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You're right, its not true for EVERY lawyer. Only about 99.9% of them.
Seems exaggerated.
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Exactly. A plea agreement for a child molester is ridiculous. This is why people think lawyers are scummy. He committed the crime. There is overwhelming evidence. Hell, I even think he admitted to it.
Why would a lawyer want to see a child molester get a reduced sentence? I guess he is still on the payroll.
A lawyers first duty is to the court, not his client.
http://www.advocates.ca/assets/files/pdf/bibliography/Duty_to_Court.pdf
an interesting quote
WHY A LAWYER'S DUTY TO THE COURT MATTERS
While it is not difficult to agree that lawyers owe a duty to the court, defining those duties in a comprehensive way is not a simple task. This difficulty relates, at least in part, to the number of concepts that inform or are informed by a lawyer's duty to the court. These concepts include: duties to the public interest, the profession's independence, the limits of zealous representation of a client and the consequences of failing to uphold a lawyer's duty to the court.
Bearing in mind the bolded bit, would it be in the public interest for "sucker punch kid" to get a lower sentence than he deserves?
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A lawyers first duty is to the court, not his client.
http://www.advocates.ca/assets/files/pdf/bibliography/Duty_to_Court.pdf
an interesting quoteBearing in mind the bolded bit, would it be in the public interest for "sucker punch kid" to get a lower sentence than he deserves?
A sentence deemed appropriate will be served.
Whether you think he deserves more/less, or anyone else for that matter, has no relevance before the law.
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A sentence deemed appropriate will be served.
Whether you think he deserves more/less, or anyone else for that matter, has no relevance before the law.
and that sir is where plea bargains get someone a sentence less than he deserves than if the case had run its course.
The whole place stinks to high heaven, to quote Al Pacino in Devils Advocate.
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A lawyers first duty is to the court, not his client.
http://www.advocates.ca/assets/files/pdf/bibliography/Duty_to_Court.pdf
an interesting quoteBearing in mind the bolded bit, would it be in the public interest for "sucker punch kid" to get a lower sentence than he deserves?
Yes, but is the court who is seeking a reduced sentence? Or is it the client who is telling his lawyer he wants a reduced sentence? I assume from the courts perspective, the case was over, once he was convicted and sentenced.
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Yes, but is the court who is seeking a reduced sentence? Or is it the client who is telling his lawyer he wants a reduced sentence? I assume from the courts perspective, the case was over, once he was convicted and sentenced.
I think the lawyer himself is trying to get the "best deal" possible regardless of morals or justice.
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and that sir is where plea bargains get someone a sentence less than he deserves than if the case had run its course.
The whole place stinks to high heaven, to quote Al Pacino in Devils Advocate.
http://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1618&context=wmlr
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I think the lawyer himself is trying to get the "best deal" possible regardless of morals or justice.
Of course, because they are scum.
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Of course, because they are scum.
So you'd represent yourself in court?
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So you'd represent yourself in court?
If you behave yourself you wont end up in court.
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If you behave yourself you wont end up in court.
That is not true. Many behaving people end up in court.
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If you behave yourself you wont end up in court.
I doubt this.
You can end up very fast in court/jail if you're "in the way".
Innocent.
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So you'd represent yourself in court?
Of course not, but they are still scum for representing them. Sometimes you just have to call it like it is. Yes, they are doing their job. You can do your job, but still be scum.
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That is not true. Many behaving people end up in court.
Have you ever ended up in court for nothing?
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Have you ever ended up in court for nothing?
I think Tu is implying that innocent people may be tried and convicted for crimes they did not commit. It actually happens more often than it should.
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I doubt this.
You can end up very fast in court/jail if you're "in the way".
Innocent.
the chances of that happening are slim to zero, yes it happens but its so rare its not worth a mention, sure you can state cases and give examples, but think about you, not the population of the world.
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It seems every "system" in the world is messed up, according to GetBig.
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I think Tu is implying that innocent people may be tried and convicted for crimes they did not commit. It actually happens more often than it should.
Once is more often than it should.
We know it happens but its very very rare.
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the chances of that happening are slim to zero, yes it happens but its so rare its not worth a mention, sure you can state cases and give examples, but think about you, not the population of the world.
I try to draw a complete picture.
Anyway...
According to a few studies there are like 2.3 to 5 % innocents in jail.
They also went to court beforehand.
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I try to draw a complete picture.
Anyway...
According to a few studies there are like 2.3 to 5 % innocents in jail.
They also went to court beforehand.
lol, everyone in jail says they are innocent, how can they get stats for that?
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lol, everyone in jail says they are innocent, how can they get stats for that?
LOL.
I don't know.
Anyway...
Everyone knows there are more people in there "than neccessary".
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LOL.
I don't know.
Anyway...
Everyone knows there are more people in there "than neccessary".
Nope, always room for one more
http://nj1015.com/lawyer-knockout-video-teen-suffers-from-mental-issues/
“He’s an 18-year old kid with mental and psychological difficulties and he’s scared. He needed to know how to do this correctly and he needed the right person to do it,” said Breite of the delay.
Brite said Gonzalez knows the 16-year-old but does not know their relationship.
Breite said that many questions remain about the video. “Before we make a rush to judgement we should know whether that is the entire video, what precipitated that video , has that video been edited or tampered with.”
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lol, everyone in jail says they are innocent, how can they get stats for that?
Its relatively a small number:
Since 1989, 333 people in 37 states have been exonerated through post-conviction DNA testing. The Innocence Project was involved in 177 of the 333 DNA exonerations. Others were helped by Innocence Network organizations, private attorneys and by pro se defendants in a few instances.
DNA testing is pretty much solid proof.
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Its relatively a small number:
Since 1989, 333 people in 37 states have been exonerated through post-conviction DNA testing. The Innocence Project was involved in 177 of the 333 DNA exonerations. Others were helped by Innocence Network organizations, private attorneys and by pro se defendants in a few instances.
DNA testing is pretty much solid proof.
Really?
I leave a cigarette butt at the scene of a crime I took from your ash tray
You were fishing all day and have no alibi.
That cigarette puts you at the scene of the crime.
Is it solid proof?
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Really?
I leave a cigarette butt at the scene of a crime I took from your ash tray
You were fishing all day and have no alibi.
That cigarette puts you at the scene of the crime.
Is it solid proof?
Good point.
And that's also a way to get into court/jail without doing anything.
;D
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Its relatively a small number:
Since 1989, 333 people in 37 states have been exonerated through post-conviction DNA testing. The Innocence Project was involved in 177 of the 333 DNA exonerations. Others were helped by Innocence Network organizations, private attorneys and by pro se defendants in a few instances.
DNA testing is pretty much solid proof.
Not anymore actually.
You can fake DNA.
This has been an issue for many years now and can be exploited.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/science/18dna.html?_r=0
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I meant to post an interesting update in the Paterson story, to say that the guy who went down is in his 30s. Not sure who first said he was elderly, but it would be good to know how something like that happens (the news ran with that description, too).
Posted as an FYI, only. That's it.
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I meant to post an interesting update in the Paterson story, to say that the guy who went down is in his 30s. Not sure who first said he was elderly, but it would be good to know how something like that happens (the news ran with that description, too).
Posted as an FYI, only. That's it.
Does his age really matter? Lol
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Does his age really matter? Lol
The fact that he was described as that, and that the media ran with it, is what's interesting.
Only saying that.
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So, no more Harley?
Huge loss for the board.
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So, no more Harley?
Huge loss for the board.
I think he'll be back. He probably wanted to allow everything to calm down since last time, and I probably didn't help by updating that. But I thought it was an interesting example on how the "news" can't be trusted.
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I think he'll be back. He probably wanted to allow everything to calm down since last time, and I probably didn't help by updating that. But I thought it was an interesting example on how the "news" can't be trusted.
This is a pretty harsh statement about criminal defense lawyers:
http://www.chattanoogan.com/2009/7/8/154498/Why-Most-Civil-And-Criminal-Defense.aspx
The point is that lawyers really aren't concerned with doing what's right. They are concerned with making money by advocating for their clients. It is of no consequence to them whether their position is frivolous. Society has indeed broken down, and lawyers have led the way. It is not law enforcement that "runs roughshod" over us, but attorneys who need to generate billable hours to support a lavish lifestyle.
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It is not law enforcement that "runs roughshod" over us
Have you ever been to the Police State thread?
And I've seen your posts on this site, so I know you don't believe that part.
But I know you didn't claim to believe it, either. :) Just saying...
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Have you ever been to the Police State thread?
And I've seen your posts on this site, so I know you don't believe that part.
But I know you didn't claim to believe it, either. :) Just saying...
lol.
Well, the statement was a more general perspective. I never said I agreed, nor disagreed with some parts or the whole paragraph (but you already recognized that). :) :)
I actually stumbled upon that paragraph because I was trying to find any peer reviewed studies about the personality constellation of criminal defense lawyers, but came up with zilch.
You know what would be a really good study? A qualitative investigation (using Interpretative Phenomenological Analysis) into the lived experiences of criminal defense lawyers, i.e., how they make sense of their profession, how they cope with the moral obligation of society vs. their job. I think that would reveal some interesting findings.
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lol.
Well, the statement was a more general perspective. I never said I agreed, nor disagreed with some parts or the whole paragraph (but you already recognized that). :) :)
I actually stumbled upon that paragraph because I was trying to find any peer reviewed studies about the personality constellation of criminal defense lawyers, but came up with zilch.
You know what would be a really good study? A qualitative investigation (using Interpretative Phenomenological Analysis) into the lived experiences of criminal defense lawyers, i.e., how they make sense of their profession, how they cope with the moral obligation of society vs. their job. I think that would reveal some interesting findings.
I bet they'd run the whole field. Some wouldn't give a piss less about anyone, and others can't refuse when they feel someone needs their help (actually to the point of generously giving away their services -- which costs them money, time and effort).
Harley has done that many times, btw. That's why I think he fits into the second extreme and not the first.
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I bet they'd run the whole field. Some wouldn't give a piss less about anyone, and others can't refuse when they feel someone needs their help (actually to the point of generously giving away their services -- which costs them money, time and effort).
Harley has done that many times, btw. That's why I think he fits into the second extreme and not the first.
Well, there would be a difference in terms of what propelled them into the career and what keeps them going.
Think about it: there are many ways that a lawyer can help defend people, without necessarily defending child molesters. Thus, the question then becomes: why did they choose to defend criminals? To uphold the law, for money, etc?
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Well, there would be a difference in terms of what propelled them into the career and what keeps them going.
Think about it: there are many ways that a lawyer can help defend people, without necessarily defending child molesters. Thus, the question then becomes: why did they choose to defend criminals? To uphold the law, for money, etc?
I think with certain individuals, they find themselves being asked for help by desperate people, and they just can't walk away. They move through time this way, from the first day of their career until the last.
Maybe they thought it would be different when they started, and maybe they thought they'd be dealing with different types of people than what's come to be true, but they just go with it because that's what they've found.
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I think with certain individuals, they find themselves being asked for help by desperate people, and they just can't walk away. They move through time this way, from the first day of their career until the last.
Maybe they thought it would be different when they started, and maybe they thought they'd be dealing with different types of people than what's come to be true, but they just go with it because that's what they've found.
Really?
"Please sir, you got to help me out. I raped my five year old niece. This can ruin my life!"
"I just knocked out a stranger on the street for fun and now everybody want to lynch me. Can't a brotha get a break?"
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I think with certain individuals, they find themselves being asked for help by desperate people, and they just can't walk away. They move through time this way, from the first day of their career until the last.
Maybe they thought it would be different when they started, and maybe they thought they'd be dealing with different types of people than what's come to be true, but they just go with it because that's what they've found.
No, I doubt it. I just briefly read an article where they interviewed a few criminal defense lawyers and each one stated that their clients are almost always guilty--they were either directly or indirectly involved. So, I don't think these criminal defense lawyers are taking these cases because they feel bad for these criminals. I can only think of two reason: 1) innocent until proven guilty--everyone deserves a fair trial or 2) for the money. I cannot conceive of any other reason.
These lawyers that know their clients are guilty, but defend them anyway, must be rationalizing it somehow.
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No, I doubt it. I just briefly read an article where they interviewed a few criminal defense lawyers and each one stated that their clients are almost always guilty--they were either directly or indirectly involved. So, I don't think these criminal defense lawyers are taking these cases because they feel bad for these criminals. I can only think of two reason: 1) innocent until proven guilty--everyone deserves a fair trial or 2) for the money. I cannot conceive of any other reason.
These lawyers that know their clients are guilty, but defend them anyway, must be rationalizing it somehow.
Personally, were it me, it would be number 1.
That doesn't make me better than anyone else, but I do believe in this country, it's system of law is one of the most fundamental things we have.
If we don't try to promote the right thing in regards to law, we have failed ourselves as a society.
We must always try our best to maintain that you are innocent until proven guilty by a reasonable doubt. It's part of what makes the United States a beacon of light in the world.
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Maybe with a crying mother in front of you, it's not so easy to have that opinion. That might have something to do with it, at least sometimes.
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Maybe with a crying mother in front of you, it's not so easy to have that opinion. That might have something to do with it, at least sometimes.
I understand how we can be emotional as people.
Still, we must try our best to maintain our decency and how we treat or accused is a big part of that.
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I understand how we can be emotional as people.
Still, we must try our best to maintain our decency and how we treat or accused is a big part of that.
Sorry, Tu... I meant to quote pellius.
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So, no more Harley?
Huge loss for the board.
So, has the attention whore finally had enough ,hundreds of pages of lickspittles blowing smoke up his ass and hes happy, a couple people see him for what he is and call him out on it and "poof, hes gone" like Kayser Soze.
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No, I doubt it. I just briefly read an article where they interviewed a few criminal defense lawyers and each one stated that their clients are almost always guilty--they were either directly or indirectly involved. So, I don't think these criminal defense lawyers are taking these cases because they feel bad for these criminals. I can only think of two reason: 1) innocent until proven guilty--everyone deserves a fair trial or 2) for the money. I cannot conceive of any other reason.
These lawyers that know their clients are guilty, but defend them anyway, must be rationalizing it somehow.
Fame, or maybe more accurately, infamy. If your an attorney in a case that's making the news your name gets out there.
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So, has the attention whore finally had enough ,hundreds of pages of lickspittles blowing smoke up his ass and hes happy, a couple people see him for what he is and call him out on it and "poof, hes gone" like Kayser Soze.
Who's Kayser Soze? Is that a UK thing?
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Who's Kayser Soze? Is that a UK thing?
It's from a film, and if you haven't seen it you really must... 8)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114814/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114814/)
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It's from a film, and if you haven't seen it you really must... 8)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114814/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114814/)
Is it online?
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Is it online?
Not for free - you can certainly purchase it via YouTube by searching for 'The Usual Suspects' and it appears to be $7.99
Alternatively, as an older film there are (presumably) multiple torrents out there...
Depends how legally you live... :)
It really is very good though - as long as you are a fan of Kevin Spacey, as it is a bit of a performance piece. If you do watch it please let me I'd be interested to know what you thought of it - cheers buddy!
Edited: for sounding beta!
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Is it online?
Everything is online, Mr. P.
It's worth the watch.
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No, I doubt it. I just briefly read an article where they interviewed a few criminal defense lawyers and each one stated that their clients are almost always guilty--they were either directly or indirectly involved. So, I don't think these criminal defense lawyers are taking these cases because they feel bad for these criminals. I can only think of two reason: 1) innocent until proven guilty--everyone deserves a fair trial or 2) for the money. I cannot conceive of any other reason.
These lawyers that know their clients are guilty, but defend them anyway, must be rationalizing it somehow.
If you had a mother at your office, sobbing and desperate, and she was begging for your help: what would be your next step? (She's the mother of someone accused of something similar to any one of the things Harley takes crap for having worked on)
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If you had a mother at your office, sobbing and desperate, and she was begging for your help: what would be your next step? (She's the mother of someone accused of something similar to any one of the things Harley takes crap for having worked on)
Take the case and try and get the best possible outcome for the client within the law.
That doesnt mean going with a not guilty plea if the twat has done it and putting the family of the victim through the mill.
Plead guilty and get the piece of shit the best he can hope for.
Thats the moral and right thing to do.
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Harley still comes on but hasn't posted since like the 17th so it's not like he doesn't read this thread and what people have written.
I would be curious to know his thoughts on what people have written here the past couple weeks, not saying it would change some people's beliefs but perhaps he could give some things to think about we are not looking at.
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If you had a mother at your office, sobbing and desperate, and she was begging for your help: what would be your next step? (She's the mother of someone accused of something similar to any one of the things Harley takes crap for having worked on)
If I knew her son was a known child molester, I would 100% NOT take the case. If some teenager stole a candy bar from the store, and the mother was sobbing, then I may defend him.
Its really all about a continuum. Obviously, some crimes are worse than other crimes. If I was a criminal defense lawyer, Id like to think that Id draw the line somewhere. Then again, once the money starts rolling in, I am sure many criminal defense lawyers see a paycheck more than anything else.
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If I knew her son was a known child molester, I would 100% NOT take the case. If some teenager stole a candy bar from the store, and the mother was sobbing, then I may defend him.
Its really all about a continuum. Obviously, some crimes are worse than other crimes. If I was a criminal defense lawyer, Id like to think that Id draw the line somewhere. Then again, once the money starts rolling in, I am sure many criminal defense lawyers see a paycheck more than anything else.
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Great job running one of the few interesting contributors out of town, dickheads.
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Can you just imagine how much OJ Simpsons lawyer made! :o :o :o
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Can you just imagine how much OJ Simpsons lawyer made! :o :o :o
and is still making off the back of that case....
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How's the diet and training going Mr Breite? Are you still doing your cardio and burning up that fat?
As a separate point, if I may, what's going on with your friend Craig Richardson? He planning on competing again? What's his opinion on some of his 212 competition like Jose Raymond and James 'Flex' Lewis?
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If I knew her son was a known child molester, I would 100% NOT take the case. If some teenager stole a candy bar from the store, and the mother was sobbing, then I may defend him.
Its really all about a continuum. Obviously, some crimes are worse than other crimes. If I was a criminal defense lawyer, Id like to think that Id draw the line somewhere. Then again, once the money starts rolling in, I am sure many criminal defense lawyers see a paycheck more than anything else.
Meaning you'd be able to resist any feelings of sympathy you might have for the mother's sense of desperation.
But if another person found s/he weren't able to do that quite in the manner that you could, it wouldn't cause you to think less of that person, would it?
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Then again, once the money starts rolling in, I am sure many criminal defense lawyers see a paycheck more than anything else.
Does defending guilty scum bring in more $ ?
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Great job running one of the few interesting contributors out of town, dickheads.
He is fully capable of defending himself.
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Does defending guilty scum bring in more $ ?
Id suspect so. There are always criminals.
But it also depends what type of criminals youre defending. My cousin works for a major law firm in Manhattan, and they specialize in white collar crime. He is making MAJOR bank. But he obviously defends very wealthy people.
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and is still making off the back of that case....
A New York Times article from 1994 estimates O.J. Simpson's lawyer fees at approximately 5 million dollars. The exact amount that O.J. Simpson paid the defense team to help acquit him of murdering his ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Brown, however, is unknown.
And I am sure thats on the conservative end.
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Id suspect so. There are always criminals.
But it also depends what type of criminals youre defending. My cousin works for a major law firm in Manhattan, and they specialize in white collar crime. He is making MAJOR bank. But he obviously defends very wealthy people.
What sorts of things have they been up to, to require his services?
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Where is Harley?
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What sorts of things have they been up to, to require his services?
I don't talk to my cousin like that. I saw my aunt and uncle a few weeks ago and they mentioned him. He lives in Manhattan with his wife and kid. Needless to say, he's not starving lol
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Where is Harley?
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The conversation took a turn and his ethics were subjected to scrutiny and I believe Harley got fed up and is taking a temporary hiatus.
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I don't talk to my cousin like that. I saw my aunt and uncle a few weeks ago and they mentioned him. He lives in Manhattan with his wife and kid. Needless to say, he's not starving lol
You're not sure what his work involves, other than that he makes a lot of money from it, you mean?
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The conversation took a turn and his ethics were subjected to scrutiny and I believe Harley got fed up and is taking a temporary hiatus.
What do his ethics have to do with anything?
He is a lawyer practicing criminal law. He defends clients that seek out his services.
When you practice criminal law, the vast majority of your clients will be the scum of the earth. He knows that most of his clients are not good people, but he is there to practice law, win the case and get paid.
Did people somehow want him to change his practice and only defend perfectly innocent people? How about simply asking him to stop practicing law?
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Take the case and try and get the best possible outcome for the client within the law.
That doesnt mean going with a not guilty plea if the twat has done it and putting the family of the victim through the mill.
Plead guilty and get the piece of shit the best he can hope for.
Thats the moral and right thing to do.
Since when do lawyers do the moral and right thing?
If that were the case, few cases would be won. Criminal defense lawyers go in with the intent to get the best outcome for their client. The best outcome is to get them off without any form of repercussions. Anything less and they're settling.
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From what we've seen from this guy, I don't think random criticism from the internet is going to scare him away.
I'm guessing he's just busy.
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Since when do lawyers do the moral and right thing?
If that were the case, few cases would be won. Lawyers go in with the intent to get the best outcome for their client. The best outcome is to get them off without any form of repercussions. Anything less and they're settling.
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a lawyers first duty is to the court.
If a lawyer knows his client is guilty then he shouldn't allow him to go to court and commit perjury on the stand.
Also, if a lawyer is a private lawyer he can pick and choose cases.
Public defenders are there for the pieces of shit who are guilty beyond a shadow of doubt.
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Where is Harley?
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He didnt like being put on the spot, and it wasnt just me, a few picked him up on a few issues.
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From what we've seen from this guy, I don't think random criticism from the internet is going to scare him away.
I'm guessing he's just busy.
Hey Guys,
Well so much for bodybuilding, MMA, cars, diet, nutrition, bodybuilder gossip and even hot chicks.
Some of these child abuse questions seem to be quite similar so let me bring this short but volatile chapter to a final conclusion on my part:
1) I am not my job.
2) I am proud of what I have achieved, from nothing, with no help from the politicos or anyone else but a few close friends and parents.
3) I am much more proud of several other things I have achieved in life than anything I've ever done as an attorney.
4) I was a part time Municipal Prosecutor in 4 towns for 2 years and hated it!!! I didn't want to "judge" anyone. Defendant walks into my office
and has a ticket for No Insurance which is a $1,000 fine and mandatory 1 year loss of license. The following conversation takes place with he and I:
Me: "Did you have insurance?"
Him: "No"
Me: "Why not?"
Him: "I can't afford it" (NJ is the HIGHEST paying state in the country for car insurance)
Me: "What do you do for work?"
Him: "I work in a factory"
Me: "Do you have a family?"
Him: "Yes, I am married and have 2 kids."
Me: "So if you have no license, you can't work. I am going to downgrade (change) your ticket to Failure to Produce the Insurance Card. No suspension and a $32.00 fine.
5) Given that my grandfather was shot through the head with a rifle by a 19 year old SS Officer (Josef Wurst- later hanged at trial) and survived
and my Dad went through the camps as well and saw Hitler live 2 times, I could not defend someone at Nuremburg.
Now go ahead and scream "hypocrite." I have told you over and over again that my personal ethics don't have to make sense to anyone else.
My moral barometer does not have to be identical to yours. I can't represent someone charged with abusing an animal and I can't tell you why that
is different to me than an alleged child abuser. I do NOT condone either. If I don't have the nerve to do something, I don't do it. It does NOT have to
make sense to anyone else. Do your ethics, justifications and peccadillos make perfect sense to me, to Las Vegas, to Pellius? Probably not but it doesn't
matter. They don't have to. I am not operating outside the law and the argument that I am not hurting anyone can be debated ONLY if you first find
the judicial system at fault. I am a terribly flawed human being (don't tell my girlfriend) but my job is the same job as hundreds of thousands of others so
perhaps there has been a societal acceptance way before I went to law school that what I do for a JOB has some purpose or place despite it being terribly
unpopular.
6) I fully understand how people despise child abusers. I even gave you the name of a client whose case was so repulsive that I still have nightmares when
I think about the photos in the Discovery. I actually removed myself from the case. Yet no one ever asked me about that case. Again, strange.
Perhaps the best way to help diminish (not able to abolish) child abuse is to have the public view trials of the accused and watch as most are convicted and those who
aren't are forever embarrassed anyway. Perhaps if more abusers saw the trial and that evidence is presented in an overwhelming and expertise manner, they might think twice before acting.
7) I ask you to find ONE example of me criticizing anyone else's job or profession. I even supported Vince G when he was attacked for some type of job he held. The
job does not necessarily make the man, neither does the suit or flannel shirt or car he drives. I, along with almost all of you, am much more than simply my job. We
are all an amalgam of different emotions, frustrations, desires, talents, attributes, interest, etc. I am sure my postman has much more going on in his life than just his job.
I think I will wait for a new topic here to emerge as I've pretty much exhausted all my answers as to why I represent the reprehensible.
Nevertheless, I remain on GetBig knowing the consequences because in the end, you guys are very smart, fun and thought provoking.
Harley
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Nice quote Chaos. It gives us a clear sense of where he is coming from.
I don't think any of us (although you have every right to) should be casting any sort of ethical stones in his direction. He does his job and does it well.
All of the criminal defense lawyers I know make up stories in order to get their clients off. It's a corrupt system from every angle.
I hope he returns. I will reach out to him sometime this week.
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Another one where he's starting to react to people not kissing his ass constantly.
Hey Guys,
While I had hoped to use today to catch up on all of your recent questions, I find myself too spent and
feeling negative about this whole thing.
I came to GetBig for thought provoking, interesting and fun discussion.
I get enough death threats, hate mail and negativity from the rest of the world.
I don't need to solicit it here.
And before Be There starts cheering, this is not a "meltdown" as I think you call it.
It's an honest statement that I am tired of the recent personal attacks and will come back when I feel
more positive.
It does strike me that the majority of the topics here are about my job, which I NEVER mind nor have any
trouble responding to. It's odd that few questions are asked about bodybuilding and its related topics. Again, I
am just happy to be here and a part of a neat thread but pretty much all topics are open for discussion just in case
someone gets bored with all this lawyer stuff.
Harley
This post reveals a bit of a darker attitude about how he really feels about his job.
Dear Pellius,
Your first question works on two different planes so I will do my best to explain my honest answer:
It is more important that my client received a fair trial if there were a Guilty Verdict. That would mean, to me, that the system is working
as is designed. I don't ever second guess myself in terms of "Did I do my utmost best in representing this person at trial?" I always give my
best.
However, if my client received an unfair trial yet despite this, there were a verdict of "Not Guilty" then I would be happy. I do all I can to make a judge
give me a fair trial but much of that is out of the attorneys' hands. Winning is important to me. If I have a stupid judge and win despite his ludicrous
rulings, then more power to me and less power to a government that permits politics not merit, to decide who becomes a judge.
I represented a young Jamaican fellow named Ruel Powell who was indicted on First Degree Aggravated Assault charges for both anally and vaginally
penetrating his 5 year old sister. The young girl immediately after the alleged incident told family members and gave a video taped interview and
demonstrated with dolls just what she believed occurred.
At the trial, the Judge, through out the entire case made ridiculous rulings in favor of the State in a clear attempt to crucify my client.
The alleged victim came in and testified.
My client did NOT receive a fair trial.
The verdict came back Not Guilty. Was I happy? Of course, who wouldn't be if they did my job? When the government has a judge assisting them the
whole way and they still lose, you bet I take pride in shoving it down their bureaucratic necks.
Your second question simply seeks my own personal opinion:
If I were to get "someone off on a technicality" I would view that as a win. I found the technicality, I told the State and they still couldn't stop me.
The role of a Defense Attorney is not to "seek justice" but rather, ensure that an INJUSTICE in terms of the legality of the investigation, charge and trial
does not occur. I am making the "world a better place" by keeping the government from jumping to conclusions and not proving their case according to the
rules. To prevent them from cheating and cutting corners is to ensure that racism, corruption and ego do not destroy the integrity of the trial.
As far as being on my death bed, I will be thinking of all the "Perfect Moments" I have experienced (especially lately). I already know I did the right thing in
the courtroom so I won't waste any time on my death bed thinking about my career, but rather, the great family, friends, pets and loves I have experienced.
Harley
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You're not sure what his work involves, other than that he makes a lot of money from it, you mean?
Well, I know he specializes in white collar crime and has some defended some wealthy clients. But I don't know specifics.
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Well, I know he specializes in white collar crime and has some defended some wealthy clients. But I don't know specifics.
When you said this:
I actually stumbled upon that paragraph because I was trying to find any peer reviewed studies about the personality constellation of criminal defense lawyers, but came up with zilch.
May I ask why you were looking? Was it for use in this thread?
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Another one where he's starting to react to people not kissing his ass constantly.
This post reveals a bit of a darker attitude about how he really feels about his job.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=31977 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=profile;u=31977)
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When you said this:
May I ask why you were looking? Was it for use in this thread?
yes.
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yes.
Had you found something which may have lent itself to making Harley look good, would you have presented it on here? Or would you have only used something which might do the opposite of that?
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Had you found something which may have lent itself to making Harley look good, would you have presented it on here? Or would you have only used something which might do the opposite of that?
Youre asking too many questions. I don't feel like answering you any more.
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Youre asking too many questions. I don't feel like answering you any more.
You're a troublemaker, SF.
:P
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So, Harley won't defend animal abusers, but he will defend a child molester.
That is a moral decision. As such, his morals are directly intertwined into his profession.
I am still wondering why Harley will defend a child molester, but not an animal abuser. ??? ??? ??? I am sorry, but that is a screwed up moral compass. I guess he can make more money off of child molesters.
To be honest, if I was a criminal defense lawyer, the absolute last people I would defend are people who harm children. Id rather defend someone who murders 50 adults, then defend someone who harms one child.
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So, Harley won't defend nazis and animal abusers, but he will defend a child molester.
That is a moral decision. As such, his morals are directly intertwined into his profession.
I am still wondering why Harley will defend a child molester, but not an animal abuser. ??? ??? ???
You wonder why he can find the nerve to do one, but not the other. That's all you're asking.
But you want to make him look bad, above all else, and that's why you were scrounging around for that information. You like to rock the boat, but you're too scared to find out exactly what your own cousin is up to.
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So, Harley won't defend animal abusers, but he will defend a child molester.
That is a moral decision. As such, his morals are directly intertwined into his profession.
I am still wondering why Harley will defend a child molester, but not an animal abuser. ??? ??? ??? I am sorry, but that is a screwed up moral compass. I guess he can make more money off of child molesters.
To be honest, if I was a criminal defense lawyer, the absolute last people I would defend are people who harm children. Id rather defend someone who murders 50 adults, then defend someone who harms one child.
I must have missed that part.
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I must have missed that part.
Bottom quote on the last page.
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I must have missed that part.
Obviously, there is something about Harley that does not allow himself to defend an animal abuser, yet, he does not feel the same repulsion for child abusers.
I am wondering what his rationale is.
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Obviously, there is something about Harley that does not allow himself to defend an animal abuser, yet, he does not feel the same repulsion for child abusers.
I am wondering what his rationale is.
Bottom quote on the last page.
I wouldn't know.
I don't agree with that myself. A good defense should be given to all.
Cornerstone of our country and all that.
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I wouldn't know.
I don't agree with that myself. A good defense should be given to all.
Cornerstone of our country and all that.
If he defended ALL criminals, then Id better understand. But I dont get how he draws such a division between animal abusers and child abusers.
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Another one where he's starting to react to people not kissing his ass constantly.
This post reveals a bit of a darker attitude about how he really feels about his job.
the guy is an overly sensitive cry baby.
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Obviously, there is something about Harley that does not allow himself to defend an animal abuser, yet, he does not feel the same repulsion for child abusers.
I am wondering what his rationale is.
the logical (but not necessarily the correct) answer is that he had pets at one point or another but has no children of his own.
that situation would allow him more empathy towards pets than to kids because he has a personal history of attachment to one and not the other.
I don't know about Harley, but regardless of who we are talking, this would make sense.
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the logical (but not necessarily the correct) answer is that he had pets at one point or another but has no children of his own.
that situation would allow him more empathy towards pets than to kids because he has a personal history of attachment to one and not the other.
I don't know about Harley, but regardless of who we are talking, this would make sense.
Too simplistic of an answer to rationalize such a divergence.
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Until reading this thread I would have thought that the Nevada desert chapped Las Vegas's lips.
What killed this thread was not the hard questions some ppl asked on here, but the incessant ass kissing and dick sucking that went on for 100 pages between the discussions
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a lawyers first duty is to the court.
If a lawyer knows his client is guilty then he shouldn't allow him to go to court and commit perjury on the stand.
Also, if a lawyer is a private lawyer he can pick and choose cases.
Public defenders are there for the pieces of shit who are guilty beyond a shadow of doubt.
A lawyers first duty is to the court. Ensuring it's proper functioning. As they are an institution empowered by the people.
And have a moral responsibility to ensure the best possible outcomes, following proper protocols and procedurs as best they can.
The justice system still acts on the premise of innocent until proven guilty. As it should. To shield the system from people such as yourself, who; are only satisfied if a person they think is guilty, receives a punishment they deem appropriate. Which has more to do with vengeance than with punishment.
If a client is guilty, then the prosecutors will have no problem providing overwhelming proof within the set-boundaries of the law.
If they cannot, then they should strive to be more meticulous in their investigation and prosecution.
Harley is there to ensure the system works. Not just to protect innocent people, but also to make sure that in the future the system does not allow for mistakes which could favor actual offenders. It's about much more than a single-case, or a single-person.
Obviously, there is something about Harley that does not allow himself to defend an animal abuser, yet, he does not feel the same repulsion for child abusers.
I am wondering what his rationale is.
Well, given that I have been cheated on in the past, and quite frankly cannot understand why people would cheat in the first place. You'd assume I wouldn't associate with such people. However, a good friend of mine, and frequent drinking buddy, has a wife and kid at home (and quite frankly a good position in life). Yet whenever we go out, it's free-range. To the point where I'm surprised it hasn't caught up with him yet, given we're in a rather small community. While the thought of cheating is repulsive to me, and I cannot relate at all. I still find him a likeable guy.
Now what rationale is there in this? Or hell, what's the rationale in anything of anyone?
We are all emotional beings, with sometimes (ir)rational thoughts. Our ability to switch off to certain impulses is greater to one thing than another. Without a necessary direct correlation, although probably all can be traced back to encounters, upbringing or just basically the whole nature vs nurture shazam.
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A lawyers first duty is to the court. Ensuring it's proper functioning. As they are an institution empowered by the people.
And have a moral responsibility to ensure the best possible outcomes, following proper protocols and procedurs as best they can.
The justice system still acts on the premise of innocent until proven guilty. As it should. To shield the system from people such as yourself, who; are only satisfied if a person they think is guilty, receives a punishment they deem appropriate. Which has more to do with vengeance than with punishment.
If a client is guilty, then the prosecutors will have no problem providing overwhelming proof within the set-boundaries of the law.
If they cannot, then they should strive to be more meticulous in their investigation and prosecution.
Harley is there to ensure the system works. Not just to protect innocent people, but also to make sure that in the future the system does not allow for mistakes which could favor actual offenders. It's about much more than a single-case, or a single-person.
Well, given that I have been cheated on in the past, and quite frankly cannot understand why people would cheat in the first place. You'd assume I wouldn't associate with such people. However, a good friend of mine, and frequent drinking buddy, has a wife and kid at home (and quite frankly a good position in life). Yet whenever we go out, it's free-range. To the point where I'm surprised it hasn't caught up with him yet, given we're in a rather small community. While the thought of cheating is repulsive to me, and I cannot relate at all. I still find him a likeable guy.
Now what rationale is there in this? Or hell, what's the rationale in anything of anyone?
We are all emotional beings, with sometimes (ir)rational thoughts. Our ability to switch off to certain impulses is greater to one thing than another. Without a necessary direct correlation, although probably all can be traced back to encounters, upbringing or just basically the whole nature vs nurture shazam.
Care to quote me where I have indicated anything like that?
as for the second bit, come and tell us hes a likeable guy when hes banging your wife or girlfriend.
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No, Nelson. I'm not going to join in any attack, just because it seems to be a popular thing to do. No way would I stoop to that level.
And I was critical of Harley, in the beginning. Over the course of thread, I've changed my opinion. I have much more respect for what he does, because I now have a better understanding of it.
I understand, too, that most people (including me) come to GB to get away from the other shit in life, at least that's true about the G and O, and I'm not going to rain on anyone's parade just for the sake of it.
Harley is a good dude.
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No, Nelson. I'm not going to join in any attack, just because it seems to be a popular thing to do. No way would I stoop to that level.
And I was critical of Harley, in the beginning. Over the course of thread, I've changed my opinion. I have much more respect for what he does, because I have a better understanding of it.
I understand, too, that most people (including me) come to GB to get away from the other shit in life, at least that's true about the G and O, and I'm not going to rain on anyone's parade just for the sake of it.
Harley is a good dude.
I hope you realize I am being sarcastic.
I have no problem with the dude, seems like a good guy, however I still stand by the fact that he should take the opportunity to engage/educate people in what he does more rather than just look at this thread daily waiting for people to change a subject, a divisive one, that he brought up in the first place.
I have experience in the legal system and know for a fact that there are both REAL GUILTY AS WELL AS NOT GUILTY people who go through the system. And when I talk GUILTY AND NOT GUILTY I mean literally clear as day. So I do understand what the job of a defence lawyer is, and that there are theatrics etc involved. And the same exact thing is done by the prosecution. EXACT!
Up here in Canada we have both prosecutors, judges and defence lawyers whom have played all three positions in their careers. Don't forget up here the positions of Judges and Prosecutors are not elected positions.
In fact in Toronto, alot of them spend time after work together at the Osgoode Hall lol.
It's a job, it's role playing at it's finest, essentially both lawyers(defence and prosecution) are brokers for the accused and the accuser(s). The judge is the moderator. The judge and/or jury make the decision.
As far as whom he chooses to defend/not defend, again I feel he is leaving that open ended and has opened himself to slamming because he does not participate.
Surely a guy who has alot of questionable crazies as clients, who also thrives on raising his middle finger to the system making sure it stays fair, whom goes through threats none of us would wish would find it easy to engage with a bunch of us minions living in our Mom's basements
Just to for those who feel guilty people go free, realize then the opposite happens as well, the jails have alot of people in there convicted of things they were not a part of
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I hope you realize I am being sarcastic.
I have no problem with the dude, seems like a good guy, however I still stand by the fact that he should take the opportunity to engage/educate people in what he does more rather than just look at this thread daily waiting for people to change a subject, a divisive one, that he brought up in the first place.
I have experience in the legal system and know for a fact that there are both REAL GUILTY AS WELL AS NOT GUILTY people who go through the system. And when I talk GUILTY AND NOT GUILTY I mean literally clear as day. So I do understand what the job of a defence lawyer is, and that there are theatrics etc involved. And the same exact thing is done by the prosecution. EXACT!
Up here in Canada we have both prosecutors, judges and defence lawyers whom have played all three positions in their careers. Don't forget up here the positions of Judges and Prosecutors are not elected positions.
In fact in Toronto, alot of them spend time after work together at the Osgoode Hall lol.
It's a job, it's role playing at it's finest, essentially both lawyers(defence and prosecution) are brokers for the accused and the accuser(s). The judge is the moderator. The judge and/or jury make the decision.
As far as whom he chooses to defend/not defend, again I feel he is leaving that open ended and has opened himself to slamming because he does not participate.
Surely a guy who has alot of questionable crazies as clients, who also thrives on raising his middle finger to the system making sure it stays fair, whom goes through threats none of us would wish would find it easy to engage with a bunch of us minions living in our Mom's basements
Just to for those who feel guilty people go free, realize then the opposite happens as well, the jails have alot of people in there convicted of things they were not a part of
Really good post. I agree.
Maybe with some of the other shit he's going through in life, though, he just can't take facing the ones on here who are determined to "show" he's "really" a bad guy with a dark heart. SF1900 was trying to find information to "show" that, while having absolutely NO problem with dismissing other information which might show the opposite. That's SF's business, I know, but come on. Get a fucking better hobby, SF.
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Care to quote me where I have indicated anything like that?
You have stated on various accounts how you disagree with who you deem as 'obviously guilty' getting off with lesser than what you perceive as 'just' sentencing. As such you've made your position rather abundantly clear.
However;
A person is only guilty before the law if convicted and handed a judgement/sentence.
While you may disagree with the outcome of such a ruling, it is; the fault or malfunctioning of the judicial system.
You're actively trying to engage and antagonize a mere gear of the machine, as opposed to attacking the flaws in the system. Attorneys, just as much as the prosecutors, are an integral part of the system. And unless you can provide direct evidence of mal-practice or otherwise conflict with the law and proceedings on Harley's part. You simply have no standing in attacking Harley's character, or indeed morals.
And on that note, I won't dedicate any more words regarding this 'topic' to you.
as for the second bit, come and tell us hes a likeable guy when hes banging your wife or girlfriend.
In the highly unlikely case he would, then I would indeed come back and tell you he's a likeable guy. I'd also tell you I'd be divorced or single again. Since I do expect unconditional love and commitment from a significant other, but not necessarily from a friend.
Besides this, both would still remain likeable individuals, since I wouldn't have associated with them otherwise to begin with. Whether I would still associate with them afterwards would depend on their inherent value and my ability to cope. Simple as that.
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You have stated on various accounts how you disagree with who you deem as 'obviously guilty' getting off with lesser than what you perceive as 'just' sentencing. As such you've made your position rather abundantly clear.
However;
A person is only guilty before the law if convicted and handed a judgement/sentence.
While you may disagree with the outcome of such a ruling, it is; the fault or malfunctioning of the judicial system.
You're actively trying to engage and antagonize a mere gear of the machine, as opposed to attacking the flaws in the system. Attorneys, just as much as the prosecutors, are an integral part of the system. And unless you can provide direct evidence of mal-practice or otherwise conflict with the law and proceedings on Harley's part. You simply have no standing in attacking Harley's character, or indeed morals.
And on that note, I won't dedicate any more words regarding this 'topic' to you.
In the highly unlikely case he would, then I would indeed come back and tell you he's a likeable guy. I'd also tell you I'd be divorced or single again. Since I do expect unconditional love and commitment from a significant other, but not necessarily from a friend.
Besides this, both would still remain likeable individuals, since I wouldn't have associated with them otherwise to begin with. Whether I would still associate with them afterwards would depend on their inherent value and my ability to cope. Simple as that.
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I fucking love penguins.
no beastiality.
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I fucking love penguins.
no beastiality.
Harley wouldnt defend you on that one Im afraid.
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Dear GetBig,
Wow!!! Very interesting the quick rush to judgment on some of the opinions set forth.
It would be impossible to rebut all those posts but let me try to say some of what I have already said but in
a way you may choose to finally remember as well as attempt to better explain some of what you seek clarity.
1) I NEVER said I was a good and moral person. I NEVER came here saying I was a saviour. I NEVER said I was better
than ANY of you. In fact, I have often stated that I, like all others, am a terribly flawed human being. I commit transgressions
from both antipodes of the moral spectrum but there are some things I won't directly do.
2) The reason I don't represent animal abusers but represent child abusers is that I simply can't give it my "best shot" in
representing someone who I know for sure abused an animal. What you may not know is that during a consultation, which is protected
under the Attorney Client Privilege, you very often can learn things that may convince you of your client's guilt, may cause you to seriously
doubt whether or not he did it and there are even times when you realize that an actual innocent person has been charged.
Cases against animal abusers usually enter the office with such demonstrative proofs as to the accused's guilt that almost all the time,
my job would be to minimize the person's sentence.
What you will not want to believe is that when a "child abuser" comes for a consult, the evidence (if even available at that time) is not so
convincingly clear as you all would think. In fact, those cases are quite difficult to decipher in terms of motivations, truths and actual proofs.
I know you don't want to hear this but from my murderers, drug dealers, money launderers, terrorists, etc, those proofs and cases are always
more devastating and convincing than a charge of child abuse. You would be amazed at the reasons a child might lie or even without the child
giving any statement, the reasons why a pissed off GF or ex-wife makes such a claim and sometimes even convinces the child why they should lie.
I AM NOT saying this happens all the time but it does occur enough for you to give an open ear to a guy who swears he didn't touch the kid and
then you see the proofs and you wonder does the Prosecutor really believe "beyond a reasonable doubt" that this guy did it?
The issue of me not representing animal abusers is about the proofs and my ability not to give it my best effort. I don't want to take a case and
short change a client. That wouldn't be fair to him. I signed up to be in the system and I ought to play by its rules, regardless of how screwed up some
of them might be. If I can't zealously represent someone, I am the wrong guy.
When did I ever say this made sense? I never did. My moral barometer is my own just as each of you has his or her (Princess L, one of my biggest fans)
own moral barometer. I would never drink and drive drunk. I would never steal money from someone. Others might. That doesn't make them less moral than
myself. You certainly don't have to agree with my moral readings but all of the personal vitriol thrown at me and over my job? Even Pellius? No one, not even
Pellius and Chaos truly believe that representing an accused is like being a Nazi Officer "taking orders." You guys need to remember that clients ALMOST NEVER
come in and admit they did it. I wasn't there, neither was the Prosecutor or cops. How would I know what REALLY occurred? And for that matter, how would you?
3) So let me get this straight: I stay off the thread so you guys can spew all you like and in a most offensive manner and therefore I am a coward? Really?
My life is a very open book. You guys know what I do, where I do it and you can all find me. That doesn't sound like the recipe for a guy who lives in fear, especially
of what people write on a website. I am not a tough guy, I don't condone fighting other people and I don't like violence. I don't believe I ever once bragged about
ANY of my achievements inside or outside of a courtroom. Everything I ever claimed was audited to death by you guys. YOU GUYS brought up that I won the BJJ
World Championships twice, not me. And in the end, who cares about that? That doesn't define me.
4) So many of you talk as if money is the only factor I consider. How little you know of me yet so quick to make a judgment. I have as many free cases for friends,
family and people whom I've never met as I do paying clients. I don't boast or talk about it buy YOU raised the issue. You have no idea how many GetBiggers have sent me
a PM asking me for legal help. I have responded and helped ALL of them and NEVER dreamed of asking for money. And of course, I don't mention that on the thread either.
I will never apologize for making a living. I don't lie to clients or cheat them. Find me 5 out of 10 attorneys like that!!! The money I make helps fund many other of my
personal projects which not only serve my own interests but help many others as well. No, I don't boast or mention that either. Tons of people are helping tons of others and
there is no need to self promote any of it. Did I post pictures of my charity for the mentally and physically challenged kids? Of course I did and I did so to invite you all to come
to our parties and feel the joy you can give someone less fortunate than yourself and all for FREE.
In closing, I didn't realize that the "defense attorney" was so reprehensible to so many of you. That is your right to feel that way and I am not here to convince any of you
any other way. What bothered me was the personal attacks against my character when you already knew what I did for a living and then failed to view me in a Gestalt perspective,
recognizing that we are all an amalgam of good and bad and hopefully the good outweighs the bad.
I came to GetBig to have some fun, engage in interesting polite debate and learn about not only bodybuilding but other areas as well. I get enough death threats from my work and
wasn't seeking more negativity in my life. One of my best friends died in a car accident before New Year's and now my very best friend and Mentor had a stroke leaving him
paralyzed. Life is too difficult and short to deal with unecessary negativity.
I NEVER came to attack anyone's character even if I disagreed with how they comported themselves or what they did for a living.
I am comfortable in my (apparently thin) skin. I have gone from obese to being in decent shape (for a NORMAL PERSON, not a GetBigger and yes, I am more narrow than Heath).
I have an incredibly beautiful and wonderful girlfriend. My Mom is healthy. I have good health and great family.
I am ok not being wanted on a thread but most say that I very much enjoyed being here and interacting on all the different topics that came up before my moral failures.
Harley
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Dear GetBig,
Wow!!! Very interesting the quick rush to judgment on some of the opinions set forth.
It would be impossible to rebut all those posts but let me try to say some of what I have already said but in
a way you may choose to finally remember as well as attempt to better explain some of what you seek clarity.
1) I NEVER said I was a good and moral person. I NEVER came here saying I was a saviour. I NEVER said I was better
than ANY of you. In fact, I have often stated that I, like all others, am a terribly flawed human being. I commit transgressions
from both antipodes of the moral spectrum but there are some things I won't directly do.
2) The reason I don't represent animal abusers but represent child abusers is that I simply can't give it my "best shot" in
representing someone who I know for sure abused an animal. What you may not know is that during a consultation, which is protected
under the Attorney Client Privilege, you very often can learn things that may convince you of your client's guilt, may cause you to seriously
doubt whether or not he did it and there are even times when you realize that an actual innocent person has been charged.
Cases against animal abusers usually enter the office with such demonstrative proofs as to the accused's guilt that almost all the time,
my job would be to minimize the person's sentence.
What you will not want to believe is that when a "child abuser" comes for a consult, the evidence (if even available at that time) is not so
convincingly clear as you all would think. In fact, those cases are quite difficult to decipher in terms of motivations, truths and actual proofs.
I know you don't want to hear this but from my murderers, drug dealers, money launderers, terrorists, etc, those proofs and cases are always
more devastating and convincing than a charge of child abuse. You would be amazed at the reasons a child might lie or even without the child
giving any statement, the reasons why a pissed off GF or ex-wife makes such a claim and sometimes even convinces the child why they should lie.
I AM NOT saying this happens all the time but it does occur enough for you to give an open ear to a guy who swears he didn't touch the kid and
then you see the proofs and you wonder does the Prosecutor really believe "beyond a reasonable doubt" that this guy did it?
The issue of me not representing animal abusers is about the proofs and my ability not to give it my best effort. I don't want to take a case and
short change a client. That wouldn't be fair to him. I signed up to be in the system and I ought to play by its rules, regardless of how screwed up some
of them might be. If I can't zealously represent someone, I am the wrong guy.
When did I ever say this made sense? I never did. My moral barometer is my own just as each of you has his or her (Princess L, one of my biggest fans)
own moral barometer. I would never drink and drive drunk. I would never steal money from someone. Others might. That doesn't make them less moral than
myself. You certainly don't have to agree with my moral readings but all of the personal vitriol thrown at me and over my job? Even Pellius? No one, not even
Pellius and Chaos truly believe that representing an accused is like being a Nazi Officer "taking orders." You guys need to remember that clients ALMOST NEVER
come in and admit they did it. I wasn't there, neither was the Prosecutor or cops. How would I know what REALLY occurred? And for that matter, how would you?
3) So let me get this straight: I stay off the thread so you guys can spew all you like and in a most offensive manner and therefore I am a coward? Really?
My life is a very open book. You guys know what I do, where I do it and you can all find me. That doesn't sound like the recipe for a guy who lives in fear, especially
of what people write on a website. I am not a tough guy, I don't condone fighting other people and I don't like violence. I don't believe I ever once bragged about
ANY of my achievements inside or outside of a courtroom. Everything I ever claimed was audited to death by you guys. YOU GUYS brought up that I won the BJJ
World Championships twice, not me. And in the end, who cares about that? That doesn't define me.
4) So many of you talk as if money is the only factor I consider. How little you know of me yet so quick to make a judgment. I have as many free cases for friends,
family and people whom I've never met as I do paying clients. I don't boast or talk about it buy YOU raised the issue. You have no idea how many GetBiggers have sent me
a PM asking me for legal help. I have responded and helped ALL of them and NEVER dreamed of asking for money. And of course, I don't mention that on the thread either.
I will never apologize for making a living. I don't lie to clients or cheat them. Find me 5 out of 10 attorneys like that!!! The money I make helps fund many other of my
personal projects which not only serve my own interests but help many others as well. No, I don't boast or mention that either. Tons of people are helping tons of others and
there is no need to self promote any of it. Did I post pictures of my charity for the mentally and physically challenged kids? Of course I did and I did so to invite you all to come
to our parties and feel the joy you can give someone less fortunate than yourself and all for FREE.
In closing, I didn't realize that the "defense attorney" was so reprehensible to so many of you. That is your right to feel that way and I am not here to convince any of you
any other way. What bothered me was the personal attacks against my character when you already knew what I did for a living and then failed to view me in a Gestalt perspective,
recognizing that we are all an amalgam of good and bad and hopefully the good outweighs the bad.
I came to GetBig to have some fun, engage in interesting polite debate and learn about not only bodybuilding but other areas as well. I get enough death threats from my work and
wasn't seeking more negativity in my life. One of my best friends died in a car accident before New Year's and now my very best friend and Mentor had a stroke leaving him
paralyzed. Life is too difficult and short to deal with unecessary negativity.
I NEVER came to attack anyone's character even if I disagreed with how they comported themselves or what they did for a living.
I am comfortable in my (apparently thin) skin. I have gone from obese to being in decent shape (for a NORMAL PERSON, not a GetBigger and yes, I am more narrow than Heath).
I have an incredibly beautiful and wonderful girlfriend. My Mom is healthy. I have good health and great family.
I am ok not being wanted on a thread but most say that I very much enjoyed being here and interacting on all the different topics that came up before my moral failures.
Harley
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Dear GetBig,
Wow!!! Very interesting the quick rush to judgment on some of the opinions set forth.
It would be impossible to rebut all those posts but let me try to say some of what I have already said but in
a way you may choose to finally remember as well as attempt to better explain some of what you seek clarity.
1) I NEVER said I was a good and moral person. I NEVER came here saying I was a saviour. I NEVER said I was better
than ANY of you. In fact, I have often stated that I, like all others, am a terribly flawed human being. I commit transgressions
from both antipodes of the moral spectrum but there are some things I won't directly do.
2) The reason I don't represent animal abusers but represent child abusers is that I simply can't give it my "best shot" in
representing someone who I know for sure abused an animal. What you may not know is that during a consultation, which is protected
under the Attorney Client Privilege, you very often can learn things that may convince you of your client's guilt, may cause you to seriously
doubt whether or not he did it and there are even times when you realize that an actual innocent person has been charged.
Cases against animal abusers usually enter the office with such demonstrative proofs as to the accused's guilt that almost all the time,
my job would be to minimize the person's sentence.
What you will not want to believe is that when a "child abuser" comes for a consult, the evidence (if even available at that time) is not so
convincingly clear as you all would think. In fact, those cases are quite difficult to decipher in terms of motivations, truths and actual proofs.
I know you don't want to hear this but from my murderers, drug dealers, money launderers, terrorists, etc, those proofs and cases are always
more devastating and convincing than a charge of child abuse. You would be amazed at the reasons a child might lie or even without the child
giving any statement, the reasons why a pissed off GF or ex-wife makes such a claim and sometimes even convinces the child why they should lie.
I AM NOT saying this happens all the time but it does occur enough for you to give an open ear to a guy who swears he didn't touch the kid and
then you see the proofs and you wonder does the Prosecutor really believe "beyond a reasonable doubt" that this guy did it?
The issue of me not representing animal abusers is about the proofs and my ability not to give it my best effort. I don't want to take a case and
short change a client. That wouldn't be fair to him. I signed up to be in the system and I ought to play by its rules, regardless of how screwed up some
of them might be. If I can't zealously represent someone, I am the wrong guy.
When did I ever say this made sense? I never did. My moral barometer is my own just as each of you has his or her (Princess L, one of my biggest fans)
own moral barometer. I would never drink and drive drunk. I would never steal money from someone. Others might. That doesn't make them less moral than
myself. You certainly don't have to agree with my moral readings but all of the personal vitriol thrown at me and over my job? Even Pellius? No one, not even
Pellius and Chaos truly believe that representing an accused is like being a Nazi Officer "taking orders." You guys need to remember that clients ALMOST NEVER
come in and admit they did it. I wasn't there, neither was the Prosecutor or cops. How would I know what REALLY occurred? And for that matter, how would you?
3) So let me get this straight: I stay off the thread so you guys can spew all you like and in a most offensive manner and therefore I am a coward? Really?
My life is a very open book. You guys know what I do, where I do it and you can all find me. That doesn't sound like the recipe for a guy who lives in fear, especially
of what people write on a website. I am not a tough guy, I don't condone fighting other people and I don't like violence. I don't believe I ever once bragged about
ANY of my achievements inside or outside of a courtroom. Everything I ever claimed was audited to death by you guys. YOU GUYS brought up that I won the BJJ
World Championships twice, not me. And in the end, who cares about that? That doesn't define me.
4) So many of you talk as if money is the only factor I consider. How little you know of me yet so quick to make a judgment. I have as many free cases for friends,
family and people whom I've never met as I do paying clients. I don't boast or talk about it buy YOU raised the issue. You have no idea how many GetBiggers have sent me
a PM asking me for legal help. I have responded and helped ALL of them and NEVER dreamed of asking for money. And of course, I don't mention that on the thread either.
I will never apologize for making a living. I don't lie to clients or cheat them. Find me 5 out of 10 attorneys like that!!! The money I make helps fund many other of my
personal projects which not only serve my own interests but help many others as well. No, I don't boast or mention that either. Tons of people are helping tons of others and
there is no need to self promote any of it. Did I post pictures of my charity for the mentally and physically challenged kids? Of course I did and I did so to invite you all to come
to our parties and feel the joy you can give someone less fortunate than yourself and all for FREE.
In closing, I didn't realize that the "defense attorney" was so reprehensible to so many of you. That is your right to feel that way and I am not here to convince any of you
any other way. What bothered me was the personal attacks against my character when you already knew what I did for a living and then failed to view me in a Gestalt perspective,
recognizing that we are all an amalgam of good and bad and hopefully the good outweighs the bad.
I came to GetBig to have some fun, engage in interesting polite debate and learn about not only bodybuilding but other areas as well. I get enough death threats from my work and
wasn't seeking more negativity in my life. One of my best friends died in a car accident before New Year's and now my very best friend and Mentor had a stroke leaving him
paralyzed. Life is too difficult and short to deal with unecessary negativity.
I NEVER came to attack anyone's character even if I disagreed with how they comported themselves or what they did for a living.
I am comfortable in my (apparently thin) skin. I have gone from obese to being in decent shape (for a NORMAL PERSON, not a GetBigger and yes, I am more narrow than Heath).
I have an incredibly beautiful and wonderful girlfriend. My Mom is healthy. I have good health and great family.
I am ok not being wanted on a thread but most say that I very much enjoyed being here and interacting on all the different topics that came up before my moral failures.
Harley
Harley, you are not an expert on child abuse. Ive already provide you with ample evidence that in the majority of cases, children recant for many reasons, even when they are abused. Yet, you keep falling back on the same old argument that children lie about sexual abuse. Yes, some do, but the MAJORITY of them do not. You obviously do not know the evidence about child sexual abuse, so please stop bringing up that argument. Its already been demonstrated in countless studies by EXPERTS that the majority of children who recant, were, in fact, sexually abused.
Your lawyer tactics will not work on here. This is what you do to convince a jury that the child was laying--you tell them that the child recanted, therefore they must be lying, and your client is innocent! You may be able to fool them, but you cannot fool me or others here. As stated above, the majority of children who recant, were, in fact sexually abused. This is exactly what scummy lawyers do. They present false evidence to jurors to win the case. In a case of sexual abuse, any lawyer will keep an expert on abuse (forensic expert, medical doctor, therapist) off of the trial, because they know they will see right through their lies.
Theorists and researchers have attempted to explain why sexually abused children deny or recant sexual abuse. Koverola and Foy (1993) have reported that victims of sexual abuse often display symptoms of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). According to Koverola and Foy (1993), "children suffering from PTSD often enter an avoidance phase," in which they deny abuse or recant because they cannot cope with the anxiety aroused by traumatic memories. According to Koverola and Foy (1993), anxiety about court appearances or a change in the home environment may lead to denial or recantation.
Rieser ( 1991 ) has suggested that children may recant if they feel isolated from their natural support systems. Other writers speculate that recantation and denial may be a way for victims to "make it all go away" (Gonzalez, Waterman, Kelly, McCord, & Oliveri. 1993). In a summary of anecdotal evidence from psychotherapists. Fontes (1993) found that certain cultural groups may recant more often than others due to cultural taboos regarding sexual abuse. Research suggests that loyalty to family members. or fear of their reaction to abuse allegations. may also contribute to some denials, recantations, and reluctance to disclose (Farrell, 1988. Lawson & Chaffin, 1992; Sauzier. 1989).
Some authors have argued that denial and recantation are part of a process experienced by many victims of sexual abuse (Sorenson & Snow. 1991; Summit. 1983). In an influential article, Summit (1983; see also Summit. 1992) has described the disclosure process as the "Child Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome" (CSAAS). The CSAAS consists of five stages: (1) secrecy; (2) helplessness: (3) entrapment and accommodation; (4) delayed, unconvincing disclosure; and (5) retraction. According to Summit (1983), children retract their statements as part of a process of dealing with sexual abuse victimization.
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You owe no explanations.
If I may ask;
I have found myself listening more to music and especially composers such as Ludovico Einaudi since I relapsed in my depression.
Do you find you started listening more to music or whether your musical taste has shifted as your facing these recent situations?
And if so, any recommendations such as composers you like? Or bands for that matter?
How do you cope with your daily struggles, which are significantly strenuous by the sounds of it, not just from your job alone?
Are you aided by 'professional help' of any sort? (As I recently decided to).
I'm sorry for the latter, rather personal, question. Or if any such question were raised before, as I did not partake in the entirity of this thread.
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You owe no explanations.
If I may ask;
I have found myself listening more to music and especially composers such as Ludovico Einaudi since I relapsed in my depression.
Do you find you started listening more to music or whether your musical taste has shifted as your facing these recent situations?
And if so, any recommendations such as composers you like? Or bands for that matter?
How do you cope with your daily struggles, which are significantly strenuous by the sounds of it, not just from your job alone?
Are you aided by 'professional help' of any sort? (As I recently decided to).
I'm sorry for the latter, rather personal, question. Or if any such question were raised before, as I did not partake in the entirity of this thread.
Dear Sokolsky,
I agree I don't owe anyone here an explanation but in fairness, I came here to have open and fair discussions so that does put me on the limb a bit.
It's funny you mention music as a therapy during depression. I had the exact opposite reaction. I couldn't listen to anything as it seemed to have some
incredibly circuitous connection to the matter which was bothering me. I just had trouble with music which made driving more difficult as I like to use the
radio or cd to take my mind off matters. The old familiar voices of some sports radio guys would help a bit but I find discussions of team sports quite boring.
As far as bands, given that my depression was related to my missing my girlfriend during an extended period of not being able to see one another, my usual
daily dose of Journey had to be curtailed (too depressing despite the vocal genius of Steve Perry). I am a big Bob Seger fan too. Once things straightened out
with my girlfriend, it was back to Iron Maiden, Journey, .38 Special and my "Workout Music."
I am not aided by any professional help but I do believe it is very worthwhile for many people. I am also a big advocate for medicine that helps fight the
anxiety and tension although I don't take it myself. I believe that science can go a long way in making us feel better and not have
to struggle with diseases and ailments that simply ruin peoples' lives. There is no shame in taking medicine. I just don't think I rose to the level where a
doctor would give it to me. Also, I don't have health insurance.
In coping with daily struggles, I found that when I was so terribly recently depressed, I just relied on my friends. I let them see me cry (ok, GetBig, there it is-
go at it) and I let them know I was hurting. Real friends showed up without asking. They called every day and when I was hit with anxiety and having a bad day,
I would call them and tell them. True friends, while rare, are a true treasure. Call your friends. They will surprise you with their compassion and giving.
Also, I tried to isolate what the issue of my depression was and thought about how to fix it. I must admit, I was extremely lucky in that it all worked out but
nevertheless, I did put some work into it.
I hope this helps a bit.
Sincerely,
Harley
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Dear Sokolsky,
I agree I don't owe anyone here an explanation but in fairness, I came here to have open and fair discussions so that does put me on the limb a bit.
True, yet when people are actively trying to derail an otherwise civil enough conversation, it's simply not worth it. Atleast in my opinion. Especially given that people seem to take unreasonable offense to your profession, although all would be happy for you to represent them (although we're all saints of course).
It's funny you mention music as a therapy during depression. I had the exact opposite reaction. I couldn't listen to anything as it seemed to have some incredibly circuitous connection to the matter which was bothering me. I just had trouble with music which made driving more difficult as I like to use the radio or cd to take my mind off matters. The old familiar voices of some sports radio guys would help a bit but I find discussions of team sports quite boring. As far as bands, given that my depression was related to my missing my girlfriend during an extended period of not being able to see one another, my usual daily dose of Journey had to be curtailed (too depressing despite the vocal genius of Steve Perry). I am a big Bob Seger fan too. Once things straightened out with my girlfriend, it was back to Iron Maiden, Journey, .38 Special and my "Workout Music." I am not aided by any professional help but I do believe it is very worthwhile for many people. I am also a big advocate for medicine that helps fight the anxiety and tension although I don't take it myself. I believe that science can go a long way in making us feel better and not have to struggle with diseases and ailments that simply ruin peoples' lives. There is no shame in taking medicine. I just don't think I rose to the level where a doctor would give it to me. Also, I don't have health insurance. In coping with daily struggles, I found that when I was so terribly recently depressed, I just relied on my friends. I let them see me cry (ok, GetBig, there it is-go at it) and I let them know I was hurting. Real friends showed up without asking. They called every day and when I was hit with anxiety and having a bad day, I would call them and tell them. True friends, while rare, are a true treasure. Call your friends. They will surprise you with their compassion and giving. Also, I tried to isolate what the issue of my depression was and thought about how to fix it. I must admit, I was extremely lucky in that it all worked out but nevertheless, I did put some work into it.
I hope this helps a bit.
Sincerely,
Harley
I believe much has got to do with people being afraid to seek help. I dreaded the phonecall I made to my parents a few days ago, I'm hopeful that I can find a solution or at least cope better (preferably without taking drugs). I just need stop being stubborn and open up to peoples' views and accepting them. Friends and family to this extend help a lot, or atleast the ones I've told. They are truly wonderful people, and its definitely telling in these types of situations on who you can count and whom are merely superficially there.
I can also say that pets, dogs and cats especially, are true life-savers. I had an encounter last week, when I was feeling especially down, with a beautiful dog that jumped in my arms when I took a knee to pet him. They are able to bring so much joy so effortlessly, and seem to know what's up on a much higher level than we do amongst ourselves. Which has prompted me looking into the possibility of getting a four-legged companion.
Music and walking for now provides a much needed distraction from everything, though I too try to avoid songs which trigger negative emotions.
I dread the moments before going to bed though, as I won't have distractions then.
Thanks for your response
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Dear GetBig,
Wow!!! Very interesting the quick rush to judgment on some of the opinions set forth.
It would be impossible to rebut all those posts but let me try to say some of what I have already said but in
a way you may choose to finally remember as well as attempt to better explain some of what you seek clarity.
1) I NEVER said I was a good and moral person. I NEVER came here saying I was a saviour. I NEVER said I was better
than ANY of you. In fact, I have often stated that I, like all others, am a terribly flawed human being. I commit transgressions
from both antipodes of the moral spectrum but there are some things I won't directly do.
2) The reason I don't represent animal abusers but represent child abusers is that I simply can't give it my "best shot" in
representing someone who I know for sure abused an animal. What you may not know is that during a consultation, which is protected
under the Attorney Client Privilege, you very often can learn things that may convince you of your client's guilt, may cause you to seriously
doubt whether or not he did it and there are even times when you realize that an actual innocent person has been charged.
Cases against animal abusers usually enter the office with such demonstrative proofs as to the accused's guilt that almost all the time,
my job would be to minimize the person's sentence.
What you will not want to believe is that when a "child abuser" comes for a consult, the evidence (if even available at that time) is not so
convincingly clear as you all would think. In fact, those cases are quite difficult to decipher in terms of motivations, truths and actual proofs.
I know you don't want to hear this but from my murderers, drug dealers, money launderers, terrorists, etc, those proofs and cases are always
more devastating and convincing than a charge of child abuse. You would be amazed at the reasons a child might lie or even without the child
giving any statement, the reasons why a pissed off GF or ex-wife makes such a claim and sometimes even convinces the child why they should lie.
I AM NOT saying this happens all the time but it does occur enough for you to give an open ear to a guy who swears he didn't touch the kid and
then you see the proofs and you wonder does the Prosecutor really believe "beyond a reasonable doubt" that this guy did it?
The issue of me not representing animal abusers is about the proofs and my ability not to give it my best effort. I don't want to take a case and
short change a client. That wouldn't be fair to him. I signed up to be in the system and I ought to play by its rules, regardless of how screwed up some
of them might be. If I can't zealously represent someone, I am the wrong guy.
When did I ever say this made sense? I never did. My moral barometer is my own just as each of you has his or her (Princess L, one of my biggest fans)
own moral barometer. I would never drink and drive drunk. I would never steal money from someone. Others might. That doesn't make them less moral than
myself. You certainly don't have to agree with my moral readings but all of the personal vitriol thrown at me and over my job? Even Pellius? No one, not even
Pellius and Chaos truly believe that representing an accused is like being a Nazi Officer "taking orders." You guys need to remember that clients ALMOST NEVER
come in and admit they did it. I wasn't there, neither was the Prosecutor or cops. How would I know what REALLY occurred? And for that matter, how would you?
3) So let me get this straight: I stay off the thread so you guys can spew all you like and in a most offensive manner and therefore I am a coward? Really?
My life is a very open book. You guys know what I do, where I do it and you can all find me. That doesn't sound like the recipe for a guy who lives in fear, especially
of what people write on a website. I am not a tough guy, I don't condone fighting other people and I don't like violence. I don't believe I ever once bragged about
ANY of my achievements inside or outside of a courtroom. Everything I ever claimed was audited to death by you guys. YOU GUYS brought up that I won the BJJ
World Championships twice, not me. And in the end, who cares about that? That doesn't define me.
4) So many of you talk as if money is the only factor I consider. How little you know of me yet so quick to make a judgment. I have as many free cases for friends,
family and people whom I've never met as I do paying clients. I don't boast or talk about it buy YOU raised the issue. You have no idea how many GetBiggers have sent me
a PM asking me for legal help. I have responded and helped ALL of them and NEVER dreamed of asking for money. And of course, I don't mention that on the thread either.
I will never apologize for making a living. I don't lie to clients or cheat them. Find me 5 out of 10 attorneys like that!!! The money I make helps fund many other of my
personal projects which not only serve my own interests but help many others as well. No, I don't boast or mention that either. Tons of people are helping tons of others and
there is no need to self promote any of it. Did I post pictures of my charity for the mentally and physically challenged kids? Of course I did and I did so to invite you all to come
to our parties and feel the joy you can give someone less fortunate than yourself and all for FREE.
In closing, I didn't realize that the "defense attorney" was so reprehensible to so many of you. That is your right to feel that way and I am not here to convince any of you
any other way. What bothered me was the personal attacks against my character when you already knew what I did for a living and then failed to view me in a Gestalt perspective,
recognizing that we are all an amalgam of good and bad and hopefully the good outweighs the bad.
I came to GetBig to have some fun, engage in interesting polite debate and learn about not only bodybuilding but other areas as well. I get enough death threats from my work and
wasn't seeking more negativity in my life. One of my best friends died in a car accident before New Year's and now my very best friend and Mentor had a stroke leaving him
paralyzed. Life is too difficult and short to deal with unecessary negativity.
I NEVER came to attack anyone's character even if I disagreed with how they comported themselves or what they did for a living.
I am comfortable in my (apparently thin) skin. I have gone from obese to being in decent shape (for a NORMAL PERSON, not a GetBigger and yes, I am more narrow than Heath).
I have an incredibly beautiful and wonderful girlfriend. My Mom is healthy. I have good health and great family.
I am ok not being wanted on a thread but most say that I very much enjoyed being here and interacting on all the different topics that came up before my moral failures.
Harley
TL:DR:FY
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I think a Nazi Officer has less options than a private attorney. When I used that analogy it was in the sense of is it enough for a person to say, "I was just doing my job." To justify an injustice. Such as getting a guilty person off.
But on to more important things as I've been dying to ask you this.
What did you think about Royce/Shamrock fight? Even though these two are over the hill I considered this a historical event. I was training at Rorion's academy and remember Rorion conceiving the event. When it finally got rolling for real it was coming out that Rorion was "fixing" the event in Royce's favor in the sense of picking opponents Rorion was sure Royce would beat. If you had no grappling experience in those days you were going to lose. And in those days there was very little "real" fighting in martial arts. And no where was there more "non fighting" than in modern martial arts which are run more like a business than a sport. Pancrase I think was the only thing close.
Rorion really, really didn't want Shamrock to compete and did everything he could keep him out. Shamrock was a real athlete with real ground experience and competed in Pancrase just coming off a win with Funaki. Royce was the least experienced and least tested of the Helio Gracie clan. he never went through the tournament and Vale Tudo ringer like the rest of his brothers did. Rorion brought Royce to American when he was only 17-18 and still just a purple belt to him with the teaching. Jean Jacques once joke sarcastically that it wasn't Rolls or Rickson who was the most talented but it was Royce since he was the only one to go from being a purple belt to a black belt completely skipping the brown belt stage.
When Rorion called on Rigan and Jean-Jacque to help with Royce's training for his fight against Mark Kerr I remember after their first day training with Royce, Jean-Jacques remarked how surprise he was with Royce's level. He told me that if Royce was at his school he would be considered an advance purple belt. He said that he and Rigan just repeated crushed him. Even some of the students like Ricco Rodriguez (who was blue belt at the time) would beat him.
Anyway, I think John McCarthy should have refereed the fight to make it historically complete and come full circle. It was such a disgrace and a let down and I blame it all on the ref. He may have missed the groin shot but he shouldn't have stopped it like he did. Not for this fight. Not for all the fans that payed good money to watch this historic event. He should have stood them back up, let Shamrock recover, and then let them fight.
This was no fight. After all these years, these two pioneers finally get together for once last horrah and to just stop it like this. I was never a huge fan of Shamrock but I really feel bad for him. All that will be remembered is that with his last fight with Royce he was TKOed in the first round.
BTW, as time went on I really grew to have a lot of respect for Royce. He was thrust into a position he wasn't ready for and a lot of pressure and expectations were put on him that he wasn't ready for. What was Rorion thinking putting him against Wallid, a tried and true tested top BJJ player who even gave Jean Jacques a hard time when Wallid was still a brown belt. It wasn't Royce's fault. But he developed into a tough as nails MMA fighter and warrior. Unlike Rickson, he always stepped up to fight anybody.
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TL:DR:FY
I forgot what "FY" means.
BTW, you can skip over my previous post though I suspect you already did.
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I forgot what "FY" means.
BTW, you can skip over my previous post though I suspect you already did.
Fuck You
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Fuck You
Ah. How could I forget.
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Harley, a muslim woman just chopped off a kids head. Better run to defend her:
Harley: "Your honor, clearly that is not my client on video."
Judge: "Um, it shows her face right there."
Harley: "We all know videotapes can be rigged. My client is innocent."
Judge: "Harley, the evidence is overwhelming. She even confessed, and we have her on video."
Harley: "Your honor, lets strike a plea deal. 2 years in prison, 1 year with good behavior."
Judge: "Mr. Harley, she murdered a child."
Harley: "This is preposterous! The justice system is rigged. Good thing I am here to get a child murderer off in 2 years. Now I can go on getbig and try to convince people that I am still a very moral person, even though I am trying to get a child murderer a 2 year sentence. Just doing my job."
Judge: "I am holding you in contempt."
Harley: "YOUR HONOR!! LOOK AT MY PAINTINGS!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
Judge: "Now youre trying to bribe me with one of your painting?"
Harley: "I will judo chop your forehead."
Judge: "30 days in county!"
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Harley, a muslim woman just chopped off a kids head. Better run to defend her:
Harley: "Your honor, clearly that is not my client on video."
Judge: "Um, it shows her face right there."
Harley: "We all know videotapes can be rigged. My client is innocent."
Judge: "Harley, the evidence is overwhelming. She even confessed, and we have her on video."
Harley: "Your honor, lets strike a plea deal. 2 years in prison, 1 year with good behavior."
Judge: "Mr. Harley, she murdered a child."
Harley: "This is preposterous! The justice system is rigged. Good thing I am here to get a child murderer off in 2 years. Now I can go on getbig and try to convince people that I am still a very moral person, even though I am trying to get a child murderer a 2 year sentence. Just doing my job."
Judge: "I am holding you in contempt."
Harley: "YOUR HONOR!! LOOK AT MY PAINTINGS!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
Judge: "Now youre trying to bribe me with one of your painting?"
Harley: "I will judo chop your forehead."
Judge: "30 days in county!"
JUDO CHOP!!!! LMAO ;D
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rape a child, Harleys your man, just dont kick the dog on the way out.
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I have a question for those constantly slating Harley. This idiot that Harley is defending obviously this disgusts you all. My question is what is the alternative? Would you rather live in a society where there is no legal framework to target criminals? Surely somebody has to state his case or we start to regress as a society and what then? Do we act as a lynch mob and start hanging those deemed beyond the pale?
Interesting to watch the twists and turns of this thread, it's ironic how the defense attorney appears to be the one on trial.
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I have a question for those constantly slating Harley. This idiot that Harley is defending obviously this disgusts you all. My question is what is the alternative? Would you rather live in a society where there is no legal framework to target criminals? Surely somebody has to state his case or we start to regress as a society and what then? Do we act as a lynch mob and start hanging those deemed beyond the pale?
Interesting to watch the twists and turns of this thread, it's ironic how the defense attorney appears to be the one on trial.
Careful you are making too much sense.
Some getbiggers on here should go easier on Harley or else he may leave and we will once again have Goodrum as our #1 insider.
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I have a question for those constantly slating Harley. This idiot that Harley is defending obviously this disgusts you all. My question is what is the alternative? Would you rather live in a society where there is no legal framework to target criminals? Surely somebody has to state his case or we start to regress as a society and what then? Do we act as a lynch mob and start hanging those deemed beyond the pale?
Interesting to watch the twists and turns of this thread, it's ironic how the defense attorney appears to be the one on trial.
Who has slated Harley here? Questioning him on how he rationalizes his choice of clients is hardly slating someone. Not much different than asking him how he chose the color of his car.
Difference in your scenario is that Harley has a choice of who he can defend and the fact that he stated if he has no problem getting someone off on a technicality. My opinion, people that harm children and animals are the lowest form of life and people that defend them are their equals.
End of.
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Who has slated Harley here? Questioning him on how he rationalizes his choice of clients is hardly slating someone. Not much different than asking him how he chose the color of his car.
Difference in your scenario is that Harley has a choice of who he can defend and the fact that he stated if he has no problem getting someone off on a technicality. My opinion, people that harm children and animals are the lowest form of life and people that defend them are their equals.
End of.
yup. and knowing damn well they did it and bragging about getting them off. there's a difference getting someone a reduced sentence and acknowledging they are guilty, and letting them go scott free when they intentionally hurt someone.
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Is Harley doing his job the best to his abilities? Sure, but that doesn't mean he can't be questioned regarding his morals. In my opinion, getting a known child molester off on a technicality, is absolutely atrocious. Basically, Harley is allowing this person to go free, in order to harm other children, so he can win another case and fill his pockets. How does Harley rationalize this? Its an important question. Its obvious that Harleys morals and ethics are DIRECTLY CONNECTED to his job.
Guess what? MOST jobs are connected and directly intertwined with moral and ethical decisions, including doctors, nurses, social workers, teachers, judges, and, yes, EVEN lawyers, etc. Most of us would be beside ourselves if we let a known child molester off with a technicality, only to find how he raped and murdered a child. In Harley's eyes, he just did his job. However, there is something to be said of someone who can shrug this off as "oh well, I was just doing my job." Most of us would feel extremely guilty, yet, Harley does it with zero conscience. That 100% says something about his personality and who he is as a person.
Now, on the one hand, Harley is just doing his job. However, on the other hand, from a purely moral point of view, and based on what we know about morality, his behavior would be considered immoral. Just because something is part of the legal system, it doesn't mean its not immoral. Many legal matters are immoral, despite them being legal. For instance, in some cultures an adult male can marry and have sex with an 8 year old. Its legal. However, there is enough evidence to suggest that young children suffer from all sorts of issues when they have sex with adults. So, sleeping with an 8 year old may be legal, but Id still deem it immoral. Similarly, Harley is not doing anything illegal and he is doing his job; nonetheless, in my opinion, Id still constitute it as immoral behavior.
People keep saying, "Well, he is doing his job within legal parameters." Great, but as I stated above, actions deemed legal by the law can still be immoral. Its quite obvious that many aspects of law are not based from a moralistic perspective.
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Who has slated Harley here? Questioning him on how he rationalizes his choice of clients is hardly slating someone. Not much different than asking him how he chose the color of his car.
Difference in your scenario is that Harley has a choice of who he can defend and the fact that he stated if he has no problem getting someone off on a technicality. My opinion, people that harm children and animals are the lowest form of life and people that defend them are their equals.
End of.
I totally agree about people that hurt children and animals, you are 100% right. The problem is I just can't see a fair way we can unravel crimes committed and proportion blame without someone stating the case of the accused. It is a mucky job but in a civilised society someone has to do it.....don't you think?
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Is Harley doing his job the best to his abilities? Sure, but that doesn't mean he can't be questioned regarding his morals. In my opinion, getting a known child molester off on a technicality, is absolutely atrocious.
Yet it is exactly this that will ensure the system works properly the next time.
If prosecutors weren't caught on technicalities, what about the next time? How can you ensure they don't fuck up? How can you ensure the next time the sentence is actually correct? Hell, people might get off because the prosecution starts to become careless.
Yes, if a guilty person gets off on a technicality, it sucks. End off.
Yet it is what happends afterwards, the checks-and-balances that ensure the next time, the same person, or a much worse person, will not be able to get off.
Yet those attacking Harley assume that just because he does his job, he automatically sets aside his humanity.
No, he does not. If a child molester gets off on whatever grounds, and then goes on to continue his practices, ofcourse it has an impact on everyone involved in the previous trail. To blatently assume Harley feels nothing is just ignorant. He's doing a job, during which he needs to remain unbiased. It does not mean he cannot have his opinions about a person during/afterwards, so long as it doesn't impede his work.
someone who can shrug this off as "oh well, I was just doing my job." Most of us would feel extremely guilty, yet, Harley does it with zero conscience. That 100% says something about his personality and who he is as a person.
Where has Harley ever said he can just shrug it off? That he would not reflect on his role?
You assume that winning a case on a technicality automatically means Harley is devoid of any further feelings.
Hell, he's even stated he receives death threats often, do you really think a trial is over for Harley when the hammer sounds?
People keep saying, "Well, he is doing his job within legal parameters." Great, but as I stated above, actions deemed legal by the law can still be immoral. Its quite obvious that many aspects of law are not based from a moralistic perspective.
As Rascal already mentioned, you want to go back to lynchmobs?
Economics aren't moral, you want to abandon economics?
Politics aren't moral, you want to abandon politics?
And so on.
Morality ends where the law comes in. Those are the norms established that you should live by to be a part of society as a whole.
Nobody cares about your morality.
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I totally agree about people that hurt children and animals, you are 100% right. The problem is I just can't see a fair way we can unravel crimes committed and proportion blame without someone stating the case of the accused. It is a mucky job but in a civilised society someone has to do it.....don't you think?
I have a question for those constantly slating Harley. This idiot that Harley is defending obviously this disgusts you all. My question is what is the alternative? Would you rather live in a society where there is no legal framework to target criminals? Surely somebody has to state his case or we start to regress as a society and what then? Do we act as a lynch mob and start hanging those deemed beyond the pale?
Interesting to watch the twists and turns of this thread, it's ironic how the defense attorney appears to be the one on trial.
Agree. Someone has to do it, but then that someone is someone of questionable character. How else can they live with themselves and sleep at night? It is a choice to accept these types of cases. Surely there are plenty of cases out there involving innocent defendants or at least, less blatantly horrific.
Who has slated Harley here? Questioning him on how he rationalizes his choice of clients is hardly slating someone. Not much different than asking him how he chose the color of his car.
Difference in your scenario is that Harley has a choice of who he can defend and the fact that he stated if he has no problem getting someone off on a technicality. My opinion, people that harm children and animals are the lowest form of life and people that defend them are their equals.
End of.
Is Harley doing his job the best to his abilities? Sure, but that doesn't mean he can't be questioned regarding his morals. In my opinion, getting a known child molester off on a technicality, is absolutely atrocious. Basically, Harley is allowing this person to go free, in order to harm other children, so he can win another case and fill his pockets. How does Harley rationalize this? Its an important question. Its obvious that Harleys morals and ethics are DIRECTLY CONNECTED to his job.
Guess what? MOST jobs are connected and directly intertwined with moral and ethical decisions, including doctors, nurses, social workers, teachers, judges, and, yes, EVEN lawyers, etc. Most of us would be beside ourselves if we let a known child molester off with a technicality, only to find how he raped and murdered a child. In Harley's eyes, he just did his job. However, there is something to be said of someone who can shrug this off as "oh well, I was just doing my job." Most of us would feel extremely guilty, yet, Harley does it with zero conscience. That 100% says something about his personality and who he is as a person.
Now, on the one hand, Harley is just doing his job. However, on the other hand, from a purely moral point of view, and based on what we know about morality, his behavior would be considered immoral. Just because something is part of the legal system, it doesn't mean its not immoral. Many legal matters are immoral, despite them being legal. For instance, in some cultures an adult male can marry and have sex with an 8 year old. Its legal. However, there is enough evidence to suggest that young children suffer from all sorts of issues when they have sex with adults. So, sleeping with an 8 year old may be legal, but Id still deem it immoral. Similarly, Harley is not doing anything illegal and he is doing his job; nonetheless, in my opinion, Id still constitute it as immoral behavior.
People keep saying, "Well, he is doing his job within legal parameters." Great, but as I stated above, actions deemed legal by the law can still be immoral. Its quite obvious that many aspects of law are not based from a moralistic perspective.
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There really isn't anything else that can be said.
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Agree. Someone has to do it, but then that someone is someone of questionable character. How else can they live with themselves and sleep at night? It is a choice to accept these types of cases. Surely there are plenty of cases out there involving innocent defendants or at least, less blatantly horrific.
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There really isn't anything else that can be said.
The problem is that people keep relying on the argument, "Well, its the law." When people do that, it really shuts down any discussion about how to make things better, well, you know, because its the law. Its the way it is.
The law is not always set up for the benefit of mankind. Something can be lawful, and still be immoral.
Further, laws are not the "norm." Laws are established by a select few people, and DO NOT always represent the majority of people. A few people in very high positions deem X to be immoral and, therefore, it becomes a law.
At the current time, its the best system we have. But it doesn't mean it can't be improved on or made more moral. It doesn't mean we can't improve the way things are done.
Again, I don't automatically equate a law with morality, which, in my opinion, is directly connected to well-being. Of course, I have to follow the law, but I don't necessarily have to think that X law is the best moral position. I just have to suck it up and deal with it, because I am really not in a position of power to change laws.
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SF1900 and PL uniting around a common cause in this thread.
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SF1900 and PL uniting around a common cause in this thread.
Lol! It must be done for the greater good!!
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The problem is that people keep relying on the argument, "Well, its the law." When people do that, it really shuts down any discussion about how to make things better, well, you know, because its the law. Its the way it is.
The law is not always set up for the benefit of mankind. Something can be lawful, and still be immoral.
Further, laws are not the "norm." Laws are established by a select few people, and DO NOT always represent the majority of people. A few people in very high positions deem X to be immoral and, therefore, it becomes a law.
At the current time, its the best system we have. But it doesn't mean it can't be improved on or made more moral. It doesn't mean we can't improve the way things are done.
Again, I don't automatically equate a law with morality, which, in my opinion, is directly connected to well-being. Of course, I have to follow the law, but I don't necessarily have to think that X law is the best moral position. I just have to suck it up and deal with it, because I am really not in a position of power to change laws.
Laws tend to be made and decided by people with the loosest morals.
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BE THERE, That's an interesting statement. Can you give some examples?
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When people do that, it really shuts down any discussion about how to make things better, well, you know, because its the law. Its the way it is.
The judicial system is not a static system.
The law is not always set up for the benefit of mankind. Something can be lawful, and still be immoral.
Something immoral isn't always detrimental to mankind.
Hyperbole argument.
Further, laws are not the "norm." Laws are established by a select few people, and DO NOT always represent the majority of people. A few people in very high positions deem X to be immoral and, therefore, it becomes a law.
Empowered through elections, at least in the civilized and democratic world.
At the current time, its the best system we have. But it doesn't mean it can't be improved on or made more moral. It doesn't mean we can't improve the way things are done.
Define morality. What is moral to one, isn't moral to another.
The system in place has been established through bargaining to ensure majority 'morality'.
Again, I don't automatically equate a law with morality, which, in my opinion, is directly connected to well-being.
Of course, I have to follow the law, but I don't necessarily have to think that X law is the best moral position.
I just have to suck it up and deal with it, because I am really not in a position of power to change laws.
If you don't equate law to morality. Then why call into question the morality of those working in the judicial system?
You just undermined your own position.
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The major issue here appears that people don't agree with the workings of the judicial system.
That's fine.
Don't attack a single person on his 'morality', simply because you're inept at performing the same task without remaining bias.
Harley is a human being, and as such has his reservations, I'm sure. His job does not turn him into some devoid of emotion computer.
He, like others of the same profession, is making sure the system works.
Basic checks-and-balance.
So that you, when you may get in trouble, or harm may come to your family, you can have faith in the system delivering the right judgement.
But clearly, it's the system people are not satisfied with to begin with.
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The major issue here appears that people don't agree with the workings of the judicial system.
That's fine.
Don't attack a single person on his 'morality', simply because you're inept at performing the same task without remaining bias.
Harley is a human being, and as such has his reservations, I'm sure. His job does not turn him into some devoid of emotion computer.
He, like others of the same profession, is making sure the system works.
Basic checks-and-balance.
So that you, when you may get in trouble, or harm may come to your family, you can have faith in the system delivering the right judgement.
But clearly, it's the system people are not satisfied with to begin with.
This isnt Question Time on the BBC, its a bodybuilding forum.
If you expect intellectual stimulation you are in the wrong place.
This is a forum where people hurl insults and rip the piss out of people, Harley has clearly demonstrated with his comments that he is a target for any such behaviour.
He has also shown a total weakness to any criticism, in other words, hes fucked.
Over a hundred pages of people blowing smoke up his ass and hes strutting around like a peacock, I think he did well to last as long as he did, although it only took around 4 people to call him out and his asshole impolded.
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The biggest problem Harley has is that he's actually an accomplished human being who has an interesting life.
If it wasn't for that, nobody would've bothered.
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This isnt Question Time on the BBC, its a bodybuilding forum.
If you expect intellectual stimulation you are in the wrong place.
This is a forum where people hurl insults and rip the piss out of people, Harley has clearly demonstrated with his comments that he is a target for any such behaviour.
He has also shown a total weakness to any criticism, in other words, hes fucked.
Over a hundred pages of people blowing smoke up his ass and hes strutting around like a peacock, I think he did well to last as long as he did, although it only took around 4 people to call him out and his asshole impolded.
Exactly. To be honest, I don't know much about the legal system. I've said this plenty of times, that my knowledge about politics and law is limited. But like you said, this is getbig. :-)
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The biggest problem Harley has is that he's actually an accomplished human being who has an interesting life.
If it wasn't for that, nobody would've bothered.
Not true. This is getbig. Anyone is up for being questioned, no matter how famous or successful they are.
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If you don't equate law to morality. Then why call into question the morality of those working in the judicial system?
You just undermined your own position.
Nah ah There's the "law" issue and the "morality" discussion. Two separate issues. Some of us are a more unwavering in our position.
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The biggest problem Harley has is that he's actually an accomplished human being who has an interesting life.
If it wasn't for that, nobody would've bothered.
is that you sucking his tit in your avi?
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Nah ah There's the "law" issue and the "morality" discussion. Two separate issues. Some of us are a more unwavering in our position.
Dear PL,
Ignoring the 'law issue'.
Do elaborate where morality comes in when practicing a profession?
Harley does not have any history of mal-practice as far as I am aware. If you have information to the contrary, do provide.
As such, he is morally conducting his obligations and services.
If you wish to discuss Harley's morality off-the-job, please refer to his earlier statements.
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Suckcocksky taking over the job of carrying Harleys backpack from Las Vegas in this thread.
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Suckcocksky taking over the job of carrying Harleys backpack from Las Vegas in this thread.
;D ;D
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Suckcocksky taking over the job of carrying Harleys backpack from Las Vegas in this thread.
Solid observation there, Chaos.
Are you also the type of guy that shows up 5 days late to a party?
Or do you only decide to show up 10 pages late?
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Harley, where are you? Please come back to getbig and answer for your transgressions! You dont want to be in the bad grace of getbig. Answer for your immorality and crimes against humanity!!
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Solid observation there, Chaos.
Are you also the type of guy that shows up 5 days late to a party?
Or do you only decide to show up 10 pages late?
I thought I'd clarify for those on the fence about your ball gargling skills.
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Harley has given me, and hopefully will continue giving me, awesome and FREE, legal advice. Don't think he follows this thread anymore (which is a shame) but he is much appreciated! A true champion of getbig for sure!!!
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I thought I'd clarify for those on the fence about your ball gargling skills.
A lot of repressed thoughts about cock going on in that cone shaped head of yours.
If it weren't for your cankles preventing you from wearing stripperboots, you'd be jacking off old fucks in a gay bar.
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Harley has given me, and hopefully will continue giving me, awesome and FREE, legal advice. Don't think he follows this thread anymore (which is a shame) but he is much appreciated! A true champion of getbig for sure!!!
If youre innocent, Harley wants nothing to do with you.
Only if youre guilty. He gets off on getting criminals off or getting them a reduced sentence.
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If youre innocent, Harley wants nothing to do with you.
Only if youre guilty. He gets off on getting criminals off or getting them a reduced sentence.
:D
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Dear PL,
Ignoring the 'law issue'.
Do elaborate where morality comes in when practicing a profession?
Harley does not have any history of mal-practice as far as I am aware. If you have information to the contrary, do provide.
As such, he is morally conducting his obligations and services.
If you wish to discuss Harley's morality off-the-job, please refer to his earlier statements.
Are you familiar with the word "ethics"?
Everyone who is employed to do something is obligated to be ethical.
Most jobs expect you to be ethical, but only to an extent.
If I worked in a shoe store and someone came in to buy some shoes and I knew the same shoes were cheaper over the road, ethically I should tell them, however in business that would be suicide.
We all face ethical dilemmas every day, its how you handle them that defines you as a human being.
You ned to stop banging Harleys drum about his job and his morality being two separate issues, I can always go back to using the Nazi guard analogy if you like, the nazi guards were nice guys, they were just doing their job shooting starving and burning jews.
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Nah ah There's the "law" issue and the "morality" discussion. Two separate issues. Some of us are a more unwavering in our position.
Exactly. Laws and morality, though they sometimes intersect, are separate issues. Laws have more to do with keeping civic order and individual rights answering to and determined by government authority. Morality has more to do with personal ethics answering to a personal value system and a reflection on you as a person. This can vary widely from individual to individual.
Speeding is illegal but not immoral and says nothing about your character or ethics. Adultery is still considered immoral but not illegal but is a reflection on your character. Murder is both immoral and illegal. An obvious violation of individual rights and civic order as well as a reflection on the kind of person you are.
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If youre innocent, Harley wants nothing to do with you.
Only if youre guilty. He gets off on getting criminals off or getting them a reduced sentence.
Well, Natural Wonder was very happy with the help Harley gave him regard the Handi-Van issue for his handicap child.
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Are you familiar with the word "ethics"?
Everyone who is employed to do something is obligated to be ethical.
Most jobs expect you to be ethical, but only to an extent.
If I worked in a shoe store and someone came in to buy some shoes and I knew the same shoes were cheaper over the road, ethically I should tell them, however in business that would be suicide.
We all face ethical dilemmas every day, its how you handle them that defines you as a human being.
You ned to stop banging Harleys drum about his job and his morality being two separate issues, I can always go back to using the Nazi guard analogy if you like, the nazi guards were nice guys, they were just doing their job shooting starving and burning jews.
Exactly. Do you put your morality, character, and personal honor on the back burner because you are doing your job? What you do IS YOU regardless of the context.
It wasn't until maybe five years ago that it was perfectly legal and within policy here in Hawaii for a cop to pay (with tax payer dollars) to have sex with a prostitute in order to build a case. I wonder what their wife would say when her husband says, "Hey, I was just doing my job. It's legal and within policy."
Remember that scene in "The Green Mile" when Tom Hanks asks himself what is he going to say when he stands before God knowing that he killed an innocent man. "I was doing my job?" (First 21 seconds in the clip)
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Exactly. Do you put your morality, character, and personal honor on the back burner because you are doing your job? What you do IS YOU regardless of the context.
A job is a means to an end. Nothing more. Great if you associate yourself with the job you perform, but that doesn't mean everyone does or should.
Harley performs his job in an ethical manner, so long as he doesn't differ from protocol. End of.
As for character and personal honor, Harley can take solace in the fact he does his job well. In addition to having various projects, interests and reservations off the job. Is that so hard to understand?
Do you guys clock in to work and stand next to a conveyer-belt or some shit all day? Thinking about how much good you do for the world, and how moral your actions are and what not? Or what's going on here?
I can always go back to using the Nazi guard analogy if you like, the nazi guards were nice guys, they were just doing their job shooting starving and burning jews.
I've already discussed this.
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A job is a means to an end. Nothing more. Great if you associate yourself with the job you perform, but that doesn't mean everyone does or should.
Harley performs his job in an ethical manner, so long as he doesn't differ from protocol. End of.
As for character and personal honor, Harley can take solace in the fact he does his job well. In addition to having various projects, interests and reservations off the job. Is that so hard to understand?
Do you guys clock in to work and stand next to a conveyer-belt or some shit all day? Thinking about how much good you do for the world, and how moral your actions are and what not? Or what's going on here?
I've already discussed this.
Yes, and a mob hit man can take solace in the fact that he does his job well.
What you do in life, regardless of the context, defines who you are and what kind of person you are. Is that so hard to understand?
There's a difference between getting a child molester a fair sentence
for his crime and getting him off scot-free because you just want to win at any cost.
Again, I am not commenting on Harley per se but the moral and ethical issues involved. I believe Harley to be a good man.
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Yes, and a mob hit man can take solace in the fact that he does his job well.
Irrelevant as it's within the illegal circuit.
What you do in life, regardless of the context, defines who you are and what kind of person you are. Is that so hard to understand?
No, it does not. This completely depends on how you view your job.
If you start your own business, obviously it will much more reflect your person than when you're working any generic dayjob.
Of course, one 'chooses' the direction they pursue, but this doesn't mean they necessarily associate themselves with their job to the extend you claim.
There's a difference between getting a child molester a fair sentence
for his crime and getting him off scot-free because you just want to win at any cost.
He is absolutely in his right to consider it a 'win' when others dropped the ball. It means the job was done as best he could, and the opposition did not. Again, this does not mean Harley can't have further reservations about a case or an individual. But in the long run such incidents will prevent cases such as this one;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/letter-from-witness-casts-further-doubt-on-2004-texas-execution/2015/03/09/d9ebdab8-c451-11e4-ad5c-3b8ce89f1b89_story.html
Checks-and-balances.
Again, I am not commenting on Harley per se but the moral and ethical issues involved. I believe Harley to be a good man.
If you cannot seperate personal morality and ethics from work ethics, then you will simply not be able to perform at certain jobs.
Hence why people get so mixed up about it.
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Irrelevant as it's within the illegal circuit.
Oh boy, here we go. The multi quote battle.
It is relevant. As I said, regardless of the context, what you do is who you are.
No, it does not. This completely depends on how you view your job.
If you start your own business, obviously it will much more reflect your person than when you're working any generic dayjob.
Of course, one 'chooses' the direction they pursue, but this doesn't mean they necessarily associate themselves with their job to the extend you claim.
Again, I disagree. It's not your job per se, it's how you do your job that defines your character. There is nothing inherently immoral or unethical to being a DA or any other job. It's how you do it. You can be a Pastor but that in and of itself doesn't guarantee moral or ethical behavior. It's how you do your job as a pastor.
He is absolutely in his right to consider it a 'win' when others dropped the ball. It means the job was done as best he could, and the opposition did not. Again, this does not mean Harley can't have further reservations about a case or an individual. But in the long run such incidents will prevent cases such as this one;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/letter-from-witness-casts-further-doubt-on-2004-texas-execution/2015/03/09/d9ebdab8-c451-11e4-ad5c-3b8ce89f1b89_story.html
Winning a case is of course a win. Getting a guilty person off is also a win for the DA. But letting a guilty person go free is simply morally wrong and an injustice to the victims and society. Just like getting a person wrongly convicted is also wrong for the victim and society.
Checks-and-balances.
If you cannot seperate personal morality and ethics from work ethics, then you will simply not be able to perform at certain jobs.
Hence why people get so mixed up about it.
Not true. You are implying that there are some legal jobs that are inherently immoral. Do you really believe that?
And as far as separating morality from work, that is the crux of the matter. That's the difference between you and me. I don't leave my morality and humanity at home after I punch a clock. I am responsible for everything I do regardless of the context.
We are two very, very different people and view life from a very, very different perspective.
If my job was to pull the switch on the electric chair or give the lethal injection I am still killing another man regardless of the fact that it's my job and I am just representing the State. If I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person was innocent I would not do it. I would not kill an innocent man under any circumstances.
Just because someone gives me a paycheck doesn't mean I will do anything they want me to do. Some people answer to a higher authority be it God or a personal value system and sense of integrity and honor rather than how big the numbers are on a piece of paper.
Like I said, we are two very, very, very different people with a very, very, very different life perspective and world view.
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I've already discussed this.
I know, that why a referred to "going back to it"
Your lack of understanding was noted last time
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Irrelevant as it's within the illegal circuit.
No, it does not. This completely depends on how you view your job.
If you start your own business, obviously it will much more reflect your person than when you're working any generic dayjob.
Of course, one 'chooses' the direction they pursue, but this doesn't mean they necessarily associate themselves with their job to the extend you claim.
He is absolutely in his right to consider it a 'win' when others dropped the ball. It means the job was done as best he could, and the opposition did not. Again, this does not mean Harley can't have further reservations about a case or an individual. But in the long run such incidents will prevent cases such as this one;
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/letter-from-witness-casts-further-doubt-on-2004-texas-execution/2015/03/09/d9ebdab8-c451-11e4-ad5c-3b8ce89f1b89_story.html
Checks-and-balances.
If you cannot seperate personal morality and ethics from work ethics, then you will simply not be able to perform at certain jobs.
Hence why people get so mixed up about it.
Getbig will judge you on the company you keep.
You are on a sticky wicket to keep trying to defend Harleys corner in this thread.
Its clear you believe you can justify immoral behaviour by saying "its my job" and that's your prerogative, just don't try and convince right minded people its acceptable.
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Getbig will judge you on the company you keep.
You are on a sticky wicket to keep trying to defend Harleys corner in this thread.
Its clear you believe you can justify immoral behaviour by saying "its my job" and that's your prerogative, just don't try and convince right minded people its acceptable.
The best example I can think of is the 2008 economic collapse. Now I am NO expert on this, so I may get some facts wrong.
But, from what I know, bankers (or whoever) PURPOSELY sold mortgages to people they knew couldn't afford them (I assume these people eventually lost their homes). Further, many people on wall street knew about this and possible ensuing economic collapse and made out BIG.
Now, the people who sold these people mortgages were just doing their job. Their job was to sell mortgages and make themselves and the company money. They did that and did it VERY well. However, they were operating from an immoral position because they gave people wrong information; sold them mortgages they knew they couldn't afford and shit hit the fan. Would you consider these people moral because they were doing their job? They sold a mortgage. That was their job. But, they screwed over many people! People trust these institutions to do right by them: give them quality service and correct information. However, these bankers, given their expertise knowledge about money and whatnot, still sold loans they knew people couldn't afford and would be fucked! But I guess they were being moral because they were just doing their job. ::) ::) ::)
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Sokolsky, are you taking up a contrarian position here for trolling purposes?
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hahahaha.....
If you trolled anyone its poor Harley, he thought you were his only friend, now hes really fucked.
He pops in top read this thread and see how hes faring, you were his light at the end of the tunnel, brilliant work mate. ;D
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The biggest problem Harley has is that he's actually an accomplished human being who has an interesting life.
If it wasn't for that, nobody would've bothered.
No question about it, he's led a very entertaining life and seems to be a very colorful character.
Some character traits are just deal breakers for some of us. Doesn't mean he isn't welcome to continue posting here.
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I don't consider online persona as 'friends'. I do however, stand by what I wrote.
Its clear you believe you can justify immoral behaviour by saying "its my job" and that's your prerogative, just don't try and convince right minded people its acceptable.
I neither see the immoral behaviour, nor am I trying to convince other people. However 'right minded' you deem yourself.
Morality, justice, etc. are all very fluid concepts and open to interpretation depending on upbringing, culture and so on.
As such, in absence of a unified and coherent single morality, there really isn't a point in arguing whether someone is morally sound.
This is entirely subjective and biased by those who judge. That's why we rely on ratified guidelines (legislation).
As such:
I simply acknowledge the fact professions, such as Harley's, and many like it, are an essential and integral part of the system we live by.
While keeping in mind that, indeed, not everyone would be able to remain unbiased and function accordingly.
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Sokolsky, are you taking up a contrarian position here for trolling purposes?
Hencey, why when he responds to me, I don't even bother reading. :D :D :D
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Hencey, why when he responds to me, I don't even bother reading. :D :D :D
Dude.. You're breaking my heart here. I thought we went wayyyyy back when we both agreed that anal sex is really not all that appealing.
And that a perfectly well, self-lubricated tight pussy is much prefered over some loose asshole.
I mean fuck, that was the first PM I ever got ffs
:'(
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I don't consider online persona as 'friends'. I do however, stand by what I wrote.
I neither see the immoral behaviour, nor am I trying to convince other people. However 'right minded' you deem yourself.
Morality, justice, etc. are all very fluid concepts and open to interpretation depending on upbringing, culture and so on.
As such, in absence of a unified and coherent single morality, there really isn't a point in arguing whether someone is morally sound.
This is entirely subjective and biased by those who judge. That's why we rely on ratified guidelines (legislation).
As such:
I simply acknowledge the fact professions, such as Harley's, and many like it, are an essential and integral part of the system we live by.
While keeping in mind that, indeed, not everyone would be able to remain unbiased and function accordingly.
That's true, in the world where paedophilia is the norm, the straight man is the pervert.
and as for the second bit, you could remain unbiased and function correctly if you had no conscience, as Harley clearly demonstrates.
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That's true, in the world where paedophilia is the norm, the straight man is the pervert.
and as for the second bit, you could remain unbiased and function correctly if you had no conscience, as Harley clearly demonstrates.
Not sure I totally agree with this. Some of us just have higher standards for ourselves and those we associate with.
Not even in the same league, but...
I used to have a best friend who ended up marrying this guy who started and "employment agency". They (he) made money hand over fist and she quickly donned a "housewives of wherever" attitude. Basically, he farmed out illegals to various factories. He'd supply them with "proper documentation" *wink*wink ::) As the business grew, so did her attitude like they were performing some sort of altruistic service. I haven't spoken to her in years.
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That's true, in the world where paedophilia is the norm, the straight man is the pervert.
and as for the second bit, you could remain unbiased and function correctly if you had no conscience, as Harley clearly demonstrates.
WOW you sound like Ginger but i know you were Banned from T Muscle for being a Dick :D
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I think this thread is getting off track. ::)
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WOW you sound like Ginger but i know you were Banned from T Muscle for being a Dick :D
Yep, they didnt like someone speaking their mind and refusing their fart powder 1st prize for member of the month. ;)
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I think this thread is getting off track. ::)
and you are the one to get it back on how?
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and you are the one to get it back on how?
for a start stop slagging the man down. I am sure he will say his opinion himself as he is a very Intelligent Man. I am not saying i agree with everything and definitely not getting people off horrific crimes but i am not a Lawyer and neither are you. If Harley has chosen this profession then he has his own reasons for it. He does a lot for disabled people i believe. I think he is a good man. His private life and job are just that...private. OK he writes about it but are we judging him or his job here? I am sure he is in real life a nice Fellow.
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for a start stop slagging the man down. I am sure he will say his opinion himself as he is a very Intelligent Man. I am not saying i agree with everything and definitely not getting people off horrific crimes but i am not a Lawyer and neither are you. If Harley has chosen this profession then he has his own reasons for it. He does a lot for disabled people i believe. I think he is a good man. His private life and job are just that...private. OK he writes about it but are we judging him or his job here? I am sure he is in real life a nice Fellow.
Who gives a fuck what you think, your opinion counts for fuck all.
He wont be back here, he hasn't got the stomach for it, he was only here because he had people blowing smoke up his ass.
Sure he does stuff for disabled kids, and didnt he advertise the fact here.
I despise anyone who does charity work and then blabs about it, just fucking do it and shut the fuck up, there is no such thing as a selfless act of kindness.
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Who gives a fuck what you think, your opinion counts for fuck all.
He wont be back here, he hasn't got the stomach for it, he was only here because he had people blowing smoke up his ass.
Sure he does stuff for disabled kids, and didnt he advertise the fact here.
I despise anyone who does charity work and then blabs about it, just fucking do it and shut the fuck up, there is no such thing as a selfless act of kindness.
LOL..... :D
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Speeding is illegal but not immoral and says nothing about your character or ethics. Adultery is still considered immoral but not illegal but is a reflection on your character. Murder is both immoral and illegal. An obvious violation of individual rights and civic order as well as a reflection on the kind of person you are.
Actually, speeding says a lot about a person.
It shows they have a complete disregard for other people's safety, and possibly their own. People by default are not build for great speed, or we'd run faster. Hence our reflexes are not really suited for traveling at high speeds, people tend to over-estimate themselves and are not really aware they are piloting an 'x' kg/lbs vehicle. Which, indeed, has the potential to cause serious harm. Not to mention the clean-up afterwards, when they do fuck-up.
Speeding is not an issue you particularly care about (nor do I), hence your moralcompass isn't activated.
That being said, I need this in my life:
Harley, what's your opinion about motorcycles and riders ?
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Actually, speeding says a lot about a person.
It shows they have a complete disregard for other people's safety, and possibly their own. People by default are not build for great speed, or we'd run faster. Hence our reflexes are not really suited for traveling at high speeds, people tend to over-estimate themselves and are not really aware they are piloting an 'x' kg/lbs vehicle. Which, indeed, has the potential to cause serious harm. Not to mention the clean-up afterwards, when they do fuck-up.
Speeding is not an issue you particularly care about (nor do I), hence your moralcompass isn't activated.
WOW...so 90% of the population. ::)
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WOW...so 90% of the population. ::)
Yes, Donny.
That's why it makes such a great example of how morality is a very flawed concept.
I'm glad you decided to join in on the discussion. But perhaps you should go back in hiding from Bigmc.
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Yes, Donny.
That's why it makes such a great example of how morality is a very flawed concept.
I'm glad you decided to join in on the discussion. But perhaps you should go back in hiding from Bigmc.
"Back in hiding from Bigmc".. why have you no answer?
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"Back in hiding from Bigmc".. why have you no answer?
Answer to what, Donny? You didn't ask a question.
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Answer to what, Donny? You didn't ask a question.
no but you have made statements which you can´t back up.
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Yes, Donny.
That's why it makes such a great example of how morality is a very flawed concept.
I'm glad you decided to join in on the discussion. But perhaps you should go back in hiding from Bigmc.
Morality has differing degrees, for some its OK to go 31mph in a 30 zone, for some its OK to get a pedo released for raping a 5 year old child.
Im sure you can see they are not the same.
PS, thanks for the platform to keep highlighting Harleys shortcomings, without you his thread would die.
Lol, and he must have thought you were on his side.
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no but you have made statements which you can´t back up.
Donny, either refer to which statement(s) directly, or just shut up and get yourself a drink.
You're just making a fool of yourself, but atleast your consistency confirms you're not a gimmick.
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Morality has differing degrees, for some its OK to go 31mph in a 30 zone, for some its OK to get a pedo released for raping a 5 year old child.
Im sure you can see they are not the same.
PS, thanks for the platform to keep highlighting Harleys shortcomings, without you his thread would die.
Lol, and he must have thought you were on his side.
you sound more and more like Ginger. Venom in your posts about child molesters.
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Donny, either refer to which statement(s) directly, or just shut up and get yourself a drink.
You're just making a fool of yourself, but atleast your consistency confirms you're not a gimmick.
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Morality has differing degrees, for some its OK to go 31mph in a 30 zone, for some its OK to get a pedo released for raping a 5 year old child.
Im sure you can see they are not the same.
The situation might change when the person speeding 1mph over causes an accident, which otherwise could have been prevented. And you have to cut someone out of a car, or get a phonecall home. And yes, 1mph is significant. Hell, posted speed limits are exactly that, speed limits. People tend to think a 60mph speedlimit sign meansyou have to drive 60mph, but that's the maximum, not the adviced speed.
As for getting a pedophile off, then he's not guilty before the law. Morally perhaps.
In the case of the speeder, it's both morally and lawfully wrong.
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I know you are not a Gimmick because T Muscle UK banned you for trolling ;) you then came back here. Hold on you were Simple simon... :D
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The situation might change when the person speeding 1mph over causes an accident, which otherwise could have been prevented. And you have to cut someone out of a car, or get a phonecall home. And yes, 1mph is significant. Hell, posted speed limits are exactly that, speed limits. People tend to think a 60mph speedlimit sign meansyou have to drive 60mph, but that's the maximum, not the adviced speed.
As for getting a pedophile off, then he's not guilty before the law. Morally perhaps.
In the case of the speeder, it's both morally and lawfully wrong.
Are you sure about that?
Lawfully its wrong, why is it morally wrong to go 31mph in a 30?
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Are you sure about that?
Lawfully its wrong, why is it morally wrong to go 31mph in a 30?
Troll :)
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I know you are not a Gimmick because T Muscle UK banned you for trolling ;) you then came back here. Hold on you were Simple simon... :D
I know, I was also ukjeff, well done Columbo.
Its common knowledge to anyone who comes on here without having half a bottle of whisky.
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I know, I was also ukjeff, well done Columbo.
Its common knowledge to anyone who comes on here without having half a bottle of whisky.
so you were never simple simon on here ? Listen the guys on the UK board fucked you off because you are a dick.
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so you were never simple simon on here ? Listen the guys on the UK board fucked you off because you are a dick.
I was uk jeff and simple simon you thick fuck....
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I was uk jeff and simple simon you thick fuck....
UK Jerkoff ? :D
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UK Jerkoff ? :D
;D
I have a feeling that one has been used before
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Actually, speeding says a lot about a person.
It shows they have a complete disregard for other people's safety, and possibly their own. People by default are not build for great speed, or we'd run faster. Hence our reflexes are not really suited for traveling at high speeds, people tend to over-estimate themselves and are not really aware they are piloting an 'x' kg/lbs vehicle. Which, indeed, has the potential to cause serious harm. Not to mention the clean-up afterwards, when they do fuck-up.
Speeding is not an issue you particularly care about (nor do I), hence your moralcompass isn't activated.
That being said, I need this in my life:
Harley, what's your opinion about motorcycles and riders ?
Oh brother ::) . Then that would include all the drivers in the world as everyone has exceeded the speed limit at one point or another. The majority do on a daily basis.
You really have a talent to twist EVERYTHING to confirm to your own point of view and personal bias.
"Speeding says A LOT about a person." Now you're just sounding desperate.
Actually, your own words DO say A LOT about you as a person. And it's not good.
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Morality has differing degrees, for some its OK to go 31mph in a 30 zone, for some its OK to get a pedo released for raping a 5 year old child.
Im sure you can see they are not the same.
PS, thanks for the platform to keep highlighting Harleys shortcomings, without you his thread would die.
Lol, and he must have thought you were on his side.
lol!
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Donny, either refer to which statement(s) directly, or just shut up and get yourself a drink.
You're just making a fool of yourself, but atleast your consistency confirms you're not a gimmick.
No he's not. You are.
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The situation might change when the person speeding 1mph over causes an accident, which otherwise could have been prevented. And you have to cut someone out of a car, or get a phonecall home. And yes, 1mph is significant. Hell, posted speed limits are exactly that, speed limits. People tend to think a 60mph speedlimit sign meansyou have to drive 60mph, but that's the maximum, not the adviced speed.
As for getting a pedophile off, then he's not guilty before the law. Morally perhaps.
In the case of the speeder, it's both morally and lawfully wrong.
Oh God! Please. Keep talking. This is hilarious! You keep burying yourself deeper and deeper. Epic self ownage.
You really believe that 1 mph would have made the difference between an accident and no accident IN REAL LIFE. (Note that was not a question.)
Amazing how you can twist reality to conform to your skewed world view. Where are you from?
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Are you sure about that?
Lawfully its wrong, why is it morally wrong to go 31mph in a 30?
Have you mercy or compassion?
You're destroying this kid. Do you want him to start another thread whining about how depress he is and how life has no meaning?
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Oh brother ::) . Then that would include all the drivers in the world as everyone has exceeded the speed limit at one point or another. The majority do on a daily basis.
You really have a talent to twist EVERYTHING to confirm to your own point of view and personal bias.
"Speeding says A LOT about a person." Now you're just sounding desperate.
Actually, your own words DO say A LOT about you as a person. And it's not good.
Yes, indeed. People commit crimes and morally unsound acts on a daily basis. But based on their personal bias they're either aware of it or simply don't find it significant enough. Just because the majority does so, does not negate the dangers of speeding, or use of heavy machinery. When someone on a structural basis ignores such dangers, then yes, it does tell something about their personality. Likewise for driving behaviour and so on.
If you don't see a moral issue in that, fine.
Maybe have a look here http://www.bestgore.com/tag/car-crash/
Now think about the families, the people having to clean-up, etc.
You don't find it relevant to your morality because you can't associate.
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Have you mercy or compassion?
You're destroying this kid. Do you want him to start another thread whining about how depress he is and how life has no meaning?
Correct, life has no meaning to me.
And I am indeed depressed.
Anything else you wish to state, which I haven't already?
The fun thing about it is that while I indeed don't have a positive outlook of life, I also don't give a fuck.
So in regards to your island critter-self, I could care less, buddy.
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Amazing how you can apply your own idea of morality in Harley's case, but fail to apply it to other conceivable situations/professions.
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Yes, indeed. People commit crimes and morally unsound acts on a daily basis. But based on their personal bias they're either aware of it or simply don't find it significant enough. Just because the majority does so, does not negate the dangers of speeding, or use of heavy machinery. When someone on a structural basis ignores such dangers, then yes, it does tell something about their personality. Likewise for driving behaviour and so on.
If you don't see a moral issue in that, fine.
Maybe have a look here http://www.bestgore.com/tag/car-crash/
Now think about the families, the people having to clean-up, etc.
You don't find it relevant to your morality because you can't associate.
Like I said, you twist reality to conform to your preconceived notions of what you think life should be like.
You totally discount the concept of gradations of evil. That some acts are worse than others. That going 1mph over the speed limit, which is done routinely and says absolutely nothing about a person's character or morality, is quite different from going 30mph over the speed limit.
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Correct, life has no meaning to me.
And I am indeed depressed.
Anything else you wish to state, which I haven't already?
The fun thing about it is that while I indeed don't have a positive outlook of life, I also don't give a fuck.
So in regards to your island critter-self, I could care less, buddy.
Exactly.
And that explains a lot.
I'll ask again, where are you from? Perhaps your life will improve if you move to Hawaii. Things got much better for me once I moved back home. Your environment has so much to do with your quality of life.
You're so young. Pity you go through the rest of your life so bitter and empty.
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You're so young. Pity you go through the rest of your life so bitter and empty.
I've taken steps this week to resolve some persisting issues.
Thanks for your concern.
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Amazing how you can apply your own idea of morality in Harley's case, but fail to apply it to other conceivable situations/professions.
Read closer my sad little friend, I have never impugn Harley's moral character in anyway. Asking him questions on how he approaches life and the moral conflicts we all have to face is quite different from making a judgement on him as a person.
I ask these question to get a better perspective and often I find that sometimes a person hasn't really given that much thought to various moral dilemmas one encounters in life.
As I have made clear in all my years on this board, I am grounded by my religion. I believe that I am going to have to answer for my deeds both good and bad. So when making moral decisions I always go back to how it will stand during my day of judgement. How much will winning a certain case and making a lot of money count on my day of reckoning?
So much of what we think are so important in life: money, status, fame, popularity, looks... I believe will count for very little when my soul is put to the test.
But that's just me and I know this board is primarily secular if not anti-religious. But to me, this moral confusion that you show, and some others do on this board, is a direct result of the secularization of modern Western culture.
Again, I said "some". There are many like Being There and SF that has thought these things through and wrestled with these issues as they have gone through life and figured it out for themselves. Not everyone has that nature introspection and self-examination. I believe you are definitely a thinking person but just, shall we say, a work in progress.
The one thing that I hope you take away from this, once you get over your hubris and arrogance, is that you are responsible for your actions. It's doesn't matter if it's your job, or you are following orders, or it's the law, or it's because everybody else it doing it. You are responsible. And what you do -- not what you think or feel -- is what defines you and makes you -- YOU!.
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I've taken steps this week to resolve some persisting issues.
Thanks for your concern.
I doubt it can be done in a week. Like I said, you're a thinking person. You look around and pay attention to the kind of world we live in.
How can one not get depressed? It's a realization that you've been lied to and it isn't how you were told it would be and how it's suppose to be. And how that can effect your relationship with everyone. Sometimes it just doesn't seem worth it and there's just no point.
"An awareness of solitude.
But that sounds so flat. I don't mean simply
That there's been a crash; though indeed there has been.
It isn't simply the the end of an illusion
In the ordinary way, or being ditched.
Of course that's something that's always happening
To all sorts of people, and they get over it
More or less, or at least they carry on.
No, I mean that what has happened has made me aware
That I've always been alone. That one always is alone.
Not simply the ending of one relationship,
Not even simply finding that it never existed-
But a revelation about my relationship
With everybody.
Do you know?
It no longer seems worth while to speak to anyone!"
-- T.S. Eliiot, The Cocktail Party
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Read closer my sad little friend, I have never impugn Harley's moral character in anyway. Asking him questions on how he approaches life and the moral conflicts we all have to face is quite different from making a judgement on him as a person.
I ask these question to get a better perspective and often I find that sometimes a person hasn't really given that much thought to various moral dilemmas one encounters in life.
As I have made clear in all my years on this board, I am grounded by my religion. I believe that I am going to have to answer for my deeds both good and bad. So when making moral decisions I always go back to how it will stand during my day of judgement. How much will winning a certain case and making a lot of money count on my day of reckoning?
So much of what we think are so important in life: money, status, fame, popularity, looks... I believe will count for very little when my soul is put to the test.
But that's just me and I know this board is primarily secular if not anti-religious. But to me, this moral confusion that you show, and some others do on this board, is a direct result of the secularization of modern Western culture.
Again, I said "some". There are many like Being There and SF that has thought these things through and wrestled with these issues as they have gone through life and figured it out for themselves. Not everyone has that nature introspection and self-examination. I believe you are definitely a thinking person but just, shall we say, a work in progress.
The one thing that I hope you take away from this, once you get over your hubris and arrogance, is that you are responsible for your actions. It's doesn't matter if it's your job, or you are following orders, or it's the law, or it's because everybody else it doing it. You are responsible. And what you do -- not what you think or feel -- is what defines you and makes you -- YOU!.
This is actually more bearable to absorb
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Not everyone has that nature introspection and self-examination. I believe you are definitely a thinking person but just, shall we say, a work in progress.
I believe the main difference in our perceived morality comes from your religious convictions, which is fine. My moral compass is rather flexible depending on circumstance, so long as I can take comfort in the choices I've made, I don't care whether others have differing views or opinions.
I am not afraid to be judged, if indeed anyone shall be.
My stance in 'defending' Harley hasn't changed, so I wouldn't necessarily speak of moral confussion, as I have been consistent in my views and examples with my convictions. So let's agree that we simply disagree.
I doubt it can be done in a week.
I'm aware I won't resolve an issue that has persisted for the last decade and 1/3 of my life within a week. The steps I've taken are long-term.
While seeking out and accepting help isn't really in my nature, I'm somewhat optimistic. And I found myself lucky with a great circle of friends, and ofcourse family.
The one thing that I hope you take away from this, once you get over your hubris and arrogance, is that you are responsible for your actions. It's doesn't matter if it's your job, or you are following orders, or it's the law, or it's because everybody else it doing it. You are responsible. And what you do -- not what you think or feel -- is what defines you and makes you -- YOU!.
I wanted to go into this on a seperate issue, not because I disagree with you, but because of the following:
I too, am of the opinion everyone should be held accountable for their actions and deeds. Yet, people can plead insanity or due to mental health issues such as psychosis get a reduced sentence. This is a concept I somewhat struggle with, despite earlier points I've made.
While conditions such as psychosis are/can be temporary, such individuals still pose a threat to society at large, so then why are they treated differently? Re-introduction into society while there's a heightened chance of recurring situations in such cases appears odd.
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I believe the main difference in our perceived morality comes from your religious convictions, which is fine. My moral compass is rather flexible depending on circumstance, so long as I can take comfort in the choices I've made, I don't care whether others have differing views or opinions.
I am not afraid to be judged, if indeed anyone shall be.
I'll just address this point as it is the crux of the matter.
A "flexible" morality. "Situational ethics" as it has been termed is an idea that in this country stemmed from the cultural revolution that occurred in the late sixties/early seventies and started to take hold in the late eighties/early nineties when those hippies started to get into our colleges, universities and government. That there is really no right and wrong -- it just depends. That Communism was just an alternative political system and who are we to say it was bad and we were better? That if one culture sacrifices a virgin to their God's that's right for them even though it's murder to just. Who are we to judge? If a DA gets a guilty child molester free then more power to him. He didn't break the law. Who are we to say an injustice has been done.
A moral compass has nothing to do with your feelings. That you are comfortable with it. I don't trust human nature. They can justify anything and be a peace with their decisions. You really think a Pol Pot or a Stalin got up in the morning and said, "So, how can I make the world a more miserable place? How can I increase the suffering of the human race?"
As Bertrand Russell once said that more harm has been done in this world by those who really believed they were doing good. The phrase, "The road to hell has been paved with good intentions" did not just come out of nowhere.
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Where is our courageously coiffed, modern-day Jeremy Bentham? Surely a man for all seasons can handle a little heat? Sokolsky's out here on his own!
Are you trying to flatter Las Vegas?
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Voice of an angel.
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A moral compass has nothing to do with your feelings. That you are comfortable with it. I don't trust human nature. They can justify anything and be a peace with their decisions. You really think a Pol Pot or a Stalin got up in the morning and said, "So, how can I make the world a more miserable place? How can I increase the suffering of the human race?"
As Bertrand Russell once said that more harm has been done in this world by those who really believed they were doing good. The phrase, "The road to hell has been paved with good intentions" did not just come out of nowhere.
You say you're grounded in religion, yet religions are shaped and transformed by man. Churches and mosques are errected by man. Man is killed by man for their beliefs. Man lives in a world created for itself, if indeed there was to be a divine power, it certainly wouldn't be among or otherwise concerned with man.
Then, what is there left to be trusted? If not human nature?
Bertrand Russel phrase is a rather beautiful one, yet I feel it is much too widely applicable to only hold truth regarding 'hell'. People, as complex as they are, move by their convictions and intentions. In the absence of (self-)justification for ones' actions, or assertion that one is doing the right thing, one would not be moved.
Every last one of us is convinced that what they think is right, until they are presented with counter-views or evidence which can cause (paradigm)shifts. This could be through new discoveries in science and knowledge, or through simple exchanges of ideas through discussion and so on. Yet, prior to such interactions or events, we all essentially believe to be in our right and acting in our own interest, if not the interest of all.
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Haha, i forgot about him. He's been missing for a while too.
Coincidence? ;)
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I missed like 100 pages in the middle of this (read the first 10-20 and the last 5-10) so I don't want to waste my time reading 100-plus pages to follow along, but how did an appreciation thread that had everyone sucking Harley off and kissing his ass, turn into a bashing thread that has actually caused him to leave to the forum?!?
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I missed like 100 pages in the middle of this (read the first 10-20 and the last 5-10) so I don't want to waste my time reading 100-plus pages to follow along, but how did an appreciation thread that had everyone sucking Harley off and kissing his ass, turn into a bashing thread that has actually caused him to leave to the forum?!?
How? Because this is GetBig. Being There and chaos predicted it early on. GetBig will always turn on you. Jackals are always lying in wait. They both knew it was just a matter of time. It always is. Remember when Cutler came on here around 11 years ago? Started out great. "Started out."
Props to Harley for lasting so long. Hope he comes back. Still want his take on the Royce/Shamrock fiasco.
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How? Because this is GetBig. Being There and chaos predicted it early on. GetBig will always turn on you. Jackals are always lying in wait. They both knew it was just a matter of time. It always is. Remember when Cutler came on here around 11 years ago? Started out great. "Started out."
Props to Harley for lasting so long. Hope he comes back. Still want his take on the Royce/Shamrock fiasco.
You would think a defense lawyer that seeks out the highest profile, sickest, scummiest cases would have thicker skin. Lol :D
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This is actually more bearable to absorb
Fuk Gooks Suck!
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Come on Harley, don't wuss out. You really going to let a little bit of heat scare you off Getbig? Remember it's not how many times you get knocked down but how many times you get up!
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Come on Harley, don't wuss out. You really going to let a little bit of heat scare you off Getbig? Remember it's not how many times you get knocked down but how many times you get up!
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LOL mate you have another scalp to add to your collection!
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How? Because this is GetBig. Being There and chaos predicted it early on. GetBig will always turn on you. Jackals are always lying in wait. They both knew it was just a matter of time. It always is. Remember when Cutler came on here around 11 years ago? Started out great. "Started out."
Props to Harley for lasting so long. Hope he comes back. Still want his take on the Royce/Shamrock fiasco.
Was going to post something similar. Don't appreciate what you have until it's gone. Certain people will always turn on their own, this is Getbig.
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Come on Harley, don't wuss out. You really going to let a little bit of heat scare you off Getbig? Remember it's not how many times you get knocked down but how many times you get up!
Interestingly enough, Harley receives death threats for his work, yet cannot handle getbig.
Then again, he really has no choice to continue doing his job, despite the death threats. But not posting on getbig is of no consequence to him.
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Interestingly enough, Harley receives death threats for his work, yet cannot handle getbig.
Then again, he really has no choice to continue doing his job, despite the death threats. But not posting on getbig is of no consequence to him.
true..maybe he will rethink it or maybe he's just buried in work somewhat.
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Interestingly enough, Harley receives death threats for his work, yet cannot handle getbig.
Then again, he really has no choice to continue doing his job, despite the death threats. But not posting on getbig is of no consequence to him.
I hope he comes back because he is an interesting and knowledgeable guy but it looks like he might have a problem handling criticism. Not a good thing if you want to survive on Getbig!
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true..maybe he will rethink it or maybe he's just buried in work somewhat.
Maybe we can get navy mike to take his place.
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I hope he comes back because he is an interesting and knowledgeable guy but it looks like he might have a problem handling criticism. Not a good thing if you want to survive on Getbig!
I also hope he comes back. He signs on, but does not post.
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Maybe we can get navy mike to take his place.
:D,,u had to sneak that in...
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Interestingly enough, Harley receives death threats for his work, yet cannot handle getbig.
Then again, he really has no choice to continue doing his job, despite the death threats. But not posting on getbig is of no consequence to him.
I don't think he is scared. I just think it's more like he couldn't be bothered. He's made it clear as to why he came on this board. This board was meant more as a distraction for him and a break from real life. Just talk about hobbies, bbing, nutrition, training, industry gossip.... The problem with most true bbing boards is that they focus pretty much on the drug aspect.
The mistake Harley made was that he started talking about his work. His feeling, as he stated, was since it was such an important part of his life how could he not talk about it. But the fact is, NOBODY here talks about their work and if they do it more about a specific incident that could have happened anywhere. I mean, Coach talks about general things like opening a new gym or maybe getting a new contract with a high school but never really goes into details and it pays such a small role on this board. Like Harley, they came to this board as a break from their daily grind.
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:D,,u had to sneak that in...
Small waist.
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Small waist.
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Still has a double chin...fat fuck!
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Harley get over some criticism and come back.
I don't think you're the runaway type.
But well...
I could be wrong.
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Still has a double chin...fat fuck!
That is what happens when he parks in the handicapped spot. Shorter distance to walk from his car to the gym = less calories burned.
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I don't think he is scared. I just think it's more like he couldn't be bothered. He's made it clear as to why he came on this board. This board was meant more as a distraction for him and a break from real life. Just talk about hobbies, bbing, nutrition, training, industry gossip.... The problem with most true bbing boards is that they focus pretty much on the drug aspect.
The mistake Harley made was that he started talking about his work. His feeling, as he stated, was since it was such an important part of his life how could he not talk about it. But the fact is, NOBODY here talks about their work and if they do it more about a specific incident that could have happened anywhere. I mean, Coach talks about general things like opening a new gym or maybe getting a new contract with a high school but never really goes into details and it pays such a small role on this board. Like Harley, they came to this board as a break from their daily grind.
He came here because someone started this thread about him, sure he was already a member but he rarely posted, he became full of his own self importance and started believing his own hype.
Guys an attention whore, who bearing in mind what he does is as fragile as fuck emotionally.
he is a total facade of a human being, underneath all the front he is just an insecure cry baby.
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He came here because someone started this thread about him, sure he was already a member but he rarely posted, he became full of his own self importance and started believing his own hype.
Guys an attention whore, who bearing in mind what he does is as fragile as fuck emotionally.
he is a total facade of a human being, underneath all the front he is just an insecure cry baby.
But would you roll with him?
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The dude has a real life and probably just doesn't want to be shit on by anonymous trolls???
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The dude has a real life and probably just doesn't want to be shit on by anonymous trolls???
Exactly. He posted on here because he enjoyed it. Certain people took away the enjoyment, therefore he left.
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He came here because someone started this thread about him, sure he was already a member but he rarely posted, he became full of his own self importance and started believing his own hype.
Guys an attention whore, who bearing in mind what he does is as fragile as fuck emotionally.
he is a total facade of a human being, underneath all the front he is just an insecure cry baby.
I never understood posters who only post in threads that are about themselves. It always just struck me as being somewhat egotistical.
See the comment below from Harley.
Hey Guys,
Well so much for bodybuilding, MMA, cars, diet, nutrition, bodybuilder gossip and even hot chicks.
Considering there are hundreds of threads relating to these topics, why didn't Harley ever post on those threads? Why just use this thread to discuss those things?
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But would you roll with him?
No, rolling around on the floor with another man has never really appealed to me.
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I never understood posters who only post in threads that are about themselves. It always just struck me as being somewhat egotistical.
See the comment below from Harley.
Considering there are hundreds of threads relating to these topics, why didn't Harley ever post on those threads? Why just use this thread to discuss those things?
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LOL! :D
Haven't seen that guy on here recently. Hope he's okay.
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LOL! :D
Haven't seen that guy on here recently. Hope he's okay.
he will be along any minute now someone has posted a pic of him
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Solid build.
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Solid build.
Hiding legs.
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The dude has a real life and probably just doesn't want to be shit on by anonymous trolls???
yes exactly this. It´s also good to troll the trolls at times too ;)
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Hiding legs.
Squats 405 atg for reps.
On a boat.
HTH.
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Hope Harley returns with a picture of himself and the "sucker punch teenager" running a train on a prostitute in Tijuana, both balls deep.
Would be the most opportune time to perform the upside down coffee mug challenge, along with a $100 bill that says "Haters gonna Hate" in black sharpie.
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Solid build.
I agree don´t see the problem with the guy. Don´t think he is ever arrogant or is he? I mean if he maintains his physique while floating around the world then respect.
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I agree don´t see the problem with the guy. Don´t think he is ever arrogant or is he? I mean if he maintains his physique while floating around the world then respect.
Well, he is arrogant, nonetheless, still a good build.
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Well, he is arrogant, nonetheless, still a good build.
OK i don´t know. He does not post much.
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What happens if one of the abused children Harley helped get their abuser off comes to his charity events?How would Harley deal with this?
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What happens if one of the abused children Harley helped get their abuser off comes to his charity events?How would Harley deal with this?
with cake and ice cream...
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What happens if one of the abused children Harley helped get their abuser off comes to his charity events?How would Harley deal with this?
It's just a job, don't judge him!!
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It's just a job, don't judge him!!
Exactly. Someone's moral have absolutely nothing to do with their job. :o
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Exactly. Someone's moral have absolutely nothing to do with their job. :o
So you will continue to do gay porn?
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What happens if one of the abused children Harley helped get their abuser off comes to his charity events?How would Harley deal with this?
Harley would most likely paint a picture.
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OK i don´t know. He does not post much.
He doesn't really post. Every so often he pops in and posts a pic of himself. But he has a good build. I believe he competes.
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DAMN you SF1900. First you chased away Navy Mike and now Harley. You are a goddamn social assassin. LOL.
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DAMN you SF1900. First you chased away Navy Mike and now Harley. You are a goddamn social assassin. LOL.
He's the same in real life.
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Any news on Craig Richardson?
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Any news on Craig Richardson?
Harley's probably defending him for a parking ticket.
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:D :D
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Harley's probably defending him for a parking ticket.
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cmon Jackie you gotta help me'...kramer your face is my case'
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:D :D
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This is where I got the term from. Nice job. Not that you or anyone else gives a shit but that is my favorite show of all time.
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This is where I got the term from. Nice job. Not that you or anyone else gives a shit but that is my favorite show of all time.
I like the show as well. Similar humor to Seinfeld, which is my favorite show.
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I like the show as well. Similar humor to Seinfeld, which is my favorite show.
It's Seinfeld on AAS.
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It's Seinfeld on AAS.
GREAT SHOW....
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GREAT SHOW....
I hope Larry David gets the itch to make a 9th season. I cannot think of one bad episode from any of the 8 seasons.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35866437 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35866437)
Just doing his job?
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Harley does not post at all anymore?
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Harley does not post at all anymore?
SEEMS HE'S LOOOOOONGGG GONE.....
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Harley does not post at all anymore?
once to plumes of smoke stopped getting blown up his ass he melted.
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Harley does not post at all anymore?
Maybe he'll do like Shizzo and head over to rx?
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SEEMS HE'S LOOOOOONGGG GONE.....
He signed on today. I guess he just doesnt post.
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He signed on today. I guess he just doesnt post.
One more to add to your list...
Navy Mike
Shizzo
Harley....
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One more to add to your list...
Navy Mike
Shizzo
Harley....
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Josh gave me one of his navy mike t shirts when he was in toronto last week
Unlike Donny I made it to an airport within my vicinity
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@SF1900: Who is now in your crosshairs/on your hit list?
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One more to add to your list...
Navy Mike
Shizzo
Harley....
;D ;D ;D ;D
Can I take Navy Mikes mod spot? ;D ;D ;D
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@SF1900: Who is now in your crosshairs/on your hit list?
Man of Steel. ;D ;D ;D
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IS Harley gone from here now then? Who scared him off?
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IS Harley gone from here now then? Who scared him off?
SF1900
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IS Harley gone from here now then? Who scared him off?
It was a culmination of things, he would have been gone after a couple of pages if I hadnt been warned off. ;)
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Harley was a good dude but we warned him on day 1 he wouldn't survive here and he didn't listen. No look at him, ran off the board. Smh.
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This case just concluded yesterday just north of Toronto.
Summary= Young man, 28, heir to a $billion construction firm, sentenced to 10 years after pleading guilty to dui causing the death of 3 young children(9,6,2) and their grandfather. The Grandmother and Great Grandmother survived the crash
First is the mother of the 3 children, outside with reporters and she makes quite the impact with what she presents. Her and her husband essentially lost all their children in one moment. Second video is the lawyer for the accused commenting on the sentencing.
If you have a heart the first video may be tough to watch near the end
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Man of Steel. ;D ;D ;D
Unfortunately, his deluded state of mind makes him impervious to being run off. That said, I would love you to prove me wrong.
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SF1900 will eventually get a hold of some kryptonite and smite MOS once and for all!
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This case just concluded yesterday just north of Toronto.
Summary= Young man, 28, heir to a $billion construction firm, sentenced to 10 years after pleading guilty to dui causing the death of 3 young children(9,6,2) and their grandfather. The Grandmother and Great Grandmother survived the crash
First is the mother of the 3 children, outside with reporters and she makes quite the impact with what she presents. Her and her husband essentially lost all their children in one moment. Second video is the lawyer for the accused commenting on the sentencing.
If you have a heart the first video may be tough to watch near the end
Are you insinuating him being the heir influenced the sentencing?
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It was a culmination of things, he would have been gone after a couple of pages if I hadnt been warned off. ;)
ho ho ho ... ;D you were blown off a UK site for being a fool.
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ho ho ho ... ;D you were blown off a UK site for being a fool.
none entity poster of peace.
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none entity poster of peace.
an echo of yourself my friend.
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an echo of yourself my friend.
Dont spoil yet another thread with your attention seeking you drunken old twat.
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Dont spoil yet another thread with your attention seeking you drunken old twat.
:-*
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Were sf1900s posts deleted on harley?I saw the assault late it seemed like be there was the heavy hitter?
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Were sf1900s posts deleted on harley?I saw the assault late it seemed like be there was the heavy hitter?
the heavy hitter was Harley himself with all his own goals.
We just had to let him write everything down, he unravelled.
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the heavy hitter was Harley himself with all his own goals.
We just had to let him write everything down, he unravelled.
"unravelled" what? who are "we"? alone you would not last a minute in a face to face discussion with him.
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"unravelled" what? who are "we"? alone you would not last a minute in a face to face discussion with him.
look numbnuts, I dont care about Harley, I have never cared about Harley, I will never care about Harley.
I dont think you will ever work out how this forum works.
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SF1900 will eventually get a hold of some kryptonite and smite MOS once and for all!
haha lol.
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Unfortunately, his deluded state of mind makes him impervious to being run off. That said, I would love you to prove me wrong.
Delusion is a powerful motivating force.
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look numbnuts, I dont care about Harley, I have never cared about Harley, I will never care about Harley.
I dont think you will ever work out how this forum works.
x2
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look numbnuts, I dont care about Harley, I have never cared about Harley, I will never care about Harley.
I dont think you will ever work out how this forum works.
x 3
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look numbnuts, I dont care about Harley, I have never cared about Harley, I will never care about Harley.
I dont think you will ever work out how this forum works.
WOW.. you mentioned his name 3 times :)
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WOW.. you mentioned his name 3 times :)
I have a flat tyre on my bike and dont have any tyre removers, do you think the back of a spoon will do it or shall I buy some spanners?
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haha funny thread thanks to whoever linked to it from other thread.
only on getbig would you find a successful lawyer trying to justify and explain himself to the absolute dregs of humanity.
hilarious ;D
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Harley is a good dude.
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Harley is a good dude.
Who is happy to defend child rapists and get them off.
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Who is happy to defend child rapists and get them off.
Im not sure he's their type....
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in the UK a lawyer can't legally represent a defendant if the defendant has admitted their guilt to them (probably similar in the US)
but i would have thought it common sense that for a legal system to be in any way fair it relies on defense lawyers to assume the innocence of all of their clients regardless of the case or the weight of evidence. in the same way the system itself assumes innocence in every case until guilt is proven
i would imagine to do a job like that with any professional integrity you would need to be capable of remaining completely detached emotionally from any case you're working on.
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in the UK a lawyer can't legally represent a defendant if the defendant has admitted their guilt to them (probably similar in the US)
but i would have thought it common sense that for a legal system to be in any way fair it relies on defense lawyers to assume the innocence of all of their clients regardless of the case or the weight of evidence. in the same way the system itself assumes innocence in every case until guilt is proven
i would imagine to do a job like that with any professional integrity you would need to be capable of remaining completely detached emotionally from any case you're working on.
a defendant is only guilty after the verdict.
A lawyer can represent someone who has confessed to him as long as he doesn't mislead the jury or judge.
Being guilty has nothing at all to do with if you have done or not done something.
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a defendant is only guilty after the verdict.
A lawyer can represent someone who has confessed to him as long as he doesn't mislead the jury or judge.
Being guilty has nothing at all to do with if you have done or not done something.
i should have said "defend" rather than represent. a lawyer can obviously represent a client who has admitted their guilt. but they cannot "defend" (argue a client's innocence at trial) when the client has admitted their guilt to them.
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Being guilty has nothing at all to do with if you have done or not done something.
that sentence makes absolutely no sense at all. being guilty means you did what you're accused of. how the jury call it is another issue.
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In the US proving your innocence is not part of the deal. If you're found not-guilty it simply means that the state failed to prove it's case. It doesn't mean your innocent.
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In the US proving your innocence is not part of the deal. If you're found not-guilty it simply means that the state failed to prove it's case. It doesn't mean your innocent.
i think that's pretty much the same throughout the democratic world.
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i should have said "defend" rather than represent. a lawyer can obviously represent a client who has admitted their guilt. but they cannot "defend" (argue a client's innocence at trial) when the client has admitted their guilt to them.
yes they can, as long as they dont mislead the judge or jury.
A prosecution attorney cannot ask a defence attorney a direct question about t=what they believe regarding their clients innocence or guilt;
harley brite told me that before i ran him off the board.
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yes they can, as long as they dont mislead the judge or jury.
A prosecution attorney cannot ask a defence attorney a direct question about t=what they believe regarding their clients innocence or guilt;
harley brite told me that before i ran him off the board.
maybe technically speaking, but in practice it would be nigh on impossible for a lawyer to offer an any way meaningful defense to a client that has admitted guilt without perjuring himself. read the below a lawyer being asked this very question.
also read the bit below that quite interesting for all the numpties that were giving the lawyer dude sht.
"I mean, say they said to you “I did it, but I want you to get me off.” How could you defend such a person?
This is how. First, I would say:
“The evidence is strong and because we can’t contradict it, you haven’t got a chance. I can’t accuse witnesses X, Y & Z of lying because they’re obviously telling the truth. I can’t call you into the witness box to tell a pack of lies. The virtually inevitable consequence of pleading not guilty is that you will be convicted by the jury (or magistrates) and your sentence will be much tougher. You really ought to plead guilty.”
Faced with that sort of advice 999 of these defendants out of 1000 will realise that the game is up and plead guilty.
You’re still evading the question, just like every other slippery lawyer I’ve ever met. What of the one in a thousand who won’t plead guilty. Would you still represent him?
Yes I would, but without doing any of the dishonest things like accusing the witnesses of lying, or calling a defendant to tell an admitted pack of lies. All I could really do would be what is known as “put the prosecution to proof.” I could argue that certain evidence was inadmissible, or that the prosecution case was not conclusive, but that would be as far as I could go.
But I have to say that this situation is so rare that I have never come across it, or even come close to it."
How on earth can you bring yourself to defend child abusers and rapists?
Very easily indeed. It’s not my job to judge either the law or my clients’ morals.
The alternative to a criminal justice system is a lynch mob, and it is remarkable how readily righteous indignation, often by those who are far from righteous in their own lives, can spill over into orgies of violence. .
People accused of such things are not always guilty. Arguments rage about how many false accusations there are of such crimes; we simply don’t know, but undeniably there are some. The consequences of being falsely accused do not need spelling out.
But even if they are rightly accused we do not want mobs baying their guilt outside as they lob petrol bombs through the windows, and what is more very often the wrong windows as with the Portsmouth mobthat mistook a respectable paediatrician for a paedophile. We want proper, fair courts where guilt can be conclusively demonstrated.
Courts are only fair, certainly in an adversarial system, if both sides can argue their cases as firmly and as persuasively as possible. That means good lawyers, including defence lawyers, arguing in front of good judges. Little is more revolting than the spectacle, as in Soviet Russia, of lick-spittle “defence” lawyers parading their own disgust at the criminal instead of trying to defend him.
tbf i think the guy just realised he was wasting his time arguing with numpties rather than you "ran him off the board" :D
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maybe technically speaking, but in practice it would be nigh on impossible for a lawyer to offer an any way meaningful defense to a client that has admitted guilt without perjuring himself. read the below a lawyer being asked this very question.
also read the bit below that quite interesting for all the numpties that were giving the lawyer dude sht.
"I mean, say they said to you “I did it, but I want you to get me off.” How could you defend such a person?
This is how. First, I would say:
“The evidence is strong and because we can’t contradict it, you haven’t got a chance. I can’t accuse witnesses X, Y & Z of lying because they’re obviously telling the truth. I can’t call you into the witness box to tell a pack of lies. The virtually inevitable consequence of pleading not guilty is that you will be convicted by the jury (or magistrates) and your sentence will be much tougher. You really ought to plead guilty.”
Faced with that sort of advice 999 of these defendants out of 1000 will realise that the game is up and plead guilty.
You’re still evading the question, just like every other slippery lawyer I’ve ever met. What of the one in a thousand who won’t plead guilty. Would you still represent him?
Yes I would, but without doing any of the dishonest things like accusing the witnesses of lying, or calling a defendant to tell an admitted pack of lies. All I could really do would be what is known as “put the prosecution to proof.” I could argue that certain evidence was inadmissible, or that the prosecution case was not conclusive, but that would be as far as I could go.
But I have to say that this situation is so rare that I have never come across it, or even come close to it."
How on earth can you bring yourself to defend child abusers and rapists?
Very easily indeed. It’s not my job to judge either the law or my clients’ morals.
The alternative to a criminal justice system is a lynch mob, and it is remarkable how readily righteous indignation, often by those who are far from righteous in their own lives, can spill over into orgies of violence. .
People accused of such things are not always guilty. Arguments rage about how many false accusations there are of such crimes; we simply don’t know, but undeniably there are some. The consequences of being falsely accused do not need spelling out.
But even if they are rightly accused we do not want mobs baying their guilt outside as they lob petrol bombs through the windows, and what is more very often the wrong windows as with the Portsmouth mobthat mistook a respectable paediatrician for a paedophile. We want proper, fair courts where guilt can be conclusively demonstrated.
Courts are only fair, certainly in an adversarial system, if both sides can argue their cases as firmly and as persuasively as possible. That means good lawyers, including defence lawyers, arguing in front of good judges. Little is more revolting than the spectacle, as in Soviet Russia, of lick-spittle “defence” lawyers parading their own disgust at the criminal instead of trying to defend him.
tbf i think the guy just realised he was wasting his time arguing with numpties rather than you "ran him off the board" :D
How does the lawyer know his client is telling the truth when he says he did it?
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2003 Ferrari 575M
Jealousy is a bitch.
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I am building a 1963 Corvette Pro Street
Carzzz
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My surprise birthday gift to my Dad
Bently for the haterz
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Several of us told Harley in the beginning not to be so open and that he would get ran off the board, he didn't listen.
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Miss Harley. He's good guy.
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Harley although mildly entertaining was no GH15, now THAT was a character you could love to hate! Long live getbig.....
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Several of us told Harley in the beginning not to be so open and that he would get ran off the board, he didn't listen.
I knew what Harley was from day one, I got told to leave him alone via PM, it took everyone else 130 pages of him bigging himself up before people finally turned on him.
Saying he would defend a child murderer but not someone who was accused of cruelty to a dog really sealed his fate
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defence lawyers are educated immoral scum
they fight so hard to keep their "clients" out of jail because they are cash cows for them
most lawyers will construct a defence for their client under any circumstances
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I knew what Harley was from day one, I got told to leave him alone via PM, it took everyone else 130 pages of him bigging himself up before people finally turned on him.
Saying he would defend a child murderer but not someone who was accused of cruelty to a dog really sealed his fate
yeh while you spend your time so constructively sitting triumphantly on getbig chasing people around to troll , racking up 10s of thousands of posts.
that silly fk harley is only off earning 100s of thousands of $ with a great career and probably great life. yeh you really showed him dude. i bet he'd switch places with you in an instant ;D
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yeh while you spend your time so constructively sitting triumphantly on getbig chasing people around to troll , racking up 10s of thousands of posts.
that silly fk harley is only off earning 100s of thousands of $ with a great career and probably great life. yeh you really showed him dude. i bet he'd switch places with you in an instant ;D
money doesn't buy morals mate.
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yeh while you spend your time so constructively sitting triumphantly on getbig chasing people around to troll , racking up 10s of thousands of posts.
that silly fk harley is only off earning 100s of thousands of $ with a great career and probably great life. yeh you really showed him dude. i bet he'd switch places with you in an instant ;D
Is your rationale - Hey he's got lots & lots of money he's clearly a good / decent person. ?
That's what you appear to be saying.
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Is your rationale - Hey he's got lots & lots of money he's clearly a good / decent person. ?
That's what you appear to be saying.
I don't think conker has morals or money so he wont grasp the point.
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I do. Too bad he was chased away.
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I do
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No, he was trash.
He said he would not defend an animal abuser, but would defend a child molester.
When he was called out for, he threw a temper tantrum and left.
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I warned him day one of his posting here he would be ran off the board. He didn't listen.
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No, he was trash.
He said he would not defend an animal abuser, but would defend a child molester.
When he was called out for, he threw a temper tantrum and left.
If that is correct - man's likely a monster himself that's why he would defend child abusers
And not animal abusers -- Best off without him here.
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If that is correct - man's likely a monster himself that's why he would defend child abusers
And not animal abusers -- Best off without him here.
It is true. LOTS of people called him to task for it. His excuse was that everyone deserves a fair trial. But, it was strange that he then would not defend animal abusers because he hated people who abused animals, but would happily defend child molesters.
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It is true. LOTS of people called him to task for it. His excuse was that everyone deserves a fair trial. But, it was strange that he then would not defend animal abusers because he hated people who abused animals, but would happily defend child molesters.
It's all chronicled in the mega thread. Start around p.100 or so to see it all. Certainly better reading than what's currently on the board.
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I found harley amusing to be honest. Also he is a defence lawyer, they rep all kind of people, from petty crime to monsters, some guilty as day, some not. Not all animal abusers are innocent/guilty, and neither are the alleged predatorsBut the bottom line is defence lawyers and Prosecutors are the exact same job, and their job entails playing a role, the defense lawyers job is to prove innocence, if any and/or make the best deal/outcome for their side, and the prosecutors job is to prove guilt, if and an/do also make the best deal/outcome. for their side
the winner is just the side that proves the most guilt or innocence, nothing more, nothing less.
if you don't believe the role situation I brought up then you should look at how many defence lawyers eventually become prosecutors and the amount of prosecutors who become defence lawyers.
Anyone who has ever been through any kind of legal battle of any kind knows how much of a circus theatre it is. the whole legal syatem is based on the 2 different sides of the argument blowing everything out of proportion and ezagerrating and or taking the facts out of context
so in reality who gives a shit if he was hhonest to say the types of people he would represent versus those who he would not. I don't agree with him in the sense that if he is a defence lawyer his job is not to be the morality police but to defend clients accused of crimes, even if those crimes are repugnant to him.
if you really think about it as well, with both sides being lawyers playing a specific role, as much as it is sickening when a 100% guilty person gets off, then the opposite must be true ie how many in actuality 100% of innocents are railroaded into plea deals or just fucked over as well
I think if anyone here got in trouble, they would want the best defence whether they were innocent or guilty
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I actually liked our expert trial lawyer and BJJ champion with coiffed, silvery locks.
Moreover, as reprehensible as it is, I think I understand why he'd defend a child abuser but not an animal abuser.
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I actually liked our expert trial lawyer and BJJ champion with coiffed, silvery locks.
Moreover, as reprehensible as it is, I think I understand why he'd defend a child abuser but not an animal abuser.
I can't. But, to each their own. That's his right as a defense lawyer.
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I found harley amusing to be honest. Also he is a defence lawyer, they rep all kind of people, from petty crime to monsters, some guilty as day, some not. Not all animal abusers are innocent/guilty, and neither are the alleged predatorsBut the bottom line is defence lawyers and Prosecutors are the exact same job, and their job entails playing a role, the defense lawyers job is to prove innocence, if any and/or make the best deal/outcome for their side, and the prosecutors job is to prove guilt, if and an/do also make the best deal/outcome. for their side
the winner is just the side that proves the most guilt or innocence, nothing more, nothing less.
if you don't believe the role situation I brought up then you should look at how many defence lawyers eventually become prosecutors and the amount of prosecutors who become defence lawyers.
Anyone who has ever been through any kind of legal battle of any kind knows how much of a circus theatre it is. the whole legal syatem is based on the 2 different sides of the argument blowing everything out of proportion and ezagerrating and or taking the facts out of context
so in reality who gives a shit if he was hhonest to say the types of people he would represent versus those who he would not. I don't agree with him in the sense that if he is a defence lawyer his job is not to be the morality police but to defend clients accused of crimes, even if those crimes are repugnant to him.
if you really think about it as well, with both sides being lawyers playing a specific role, as much as it is sickening when a 100% guilty person gets off, then the opposite must be true ie how many in actuality 100% of innocents are railroaded into plea deals or just fucked over as well
I think if anyone here got in trouble, they would want the best defence whether they were innocent or guilty
Well said.
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not saying he was always correct..but i think in a face to face discussion he would destroy any of the big mouths on here.
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Well said.
yes spot on
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Why should anyone miss him? He only contributed to one thread and that was about himself.
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Yes, Harley was and is a good guy.
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not saying he was always correct..but i think in a face to face discussion he would destroy any of the big mouths on here.
Depending on what the subject matter on some things clearly yes others No.
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Depending on what the subject matter on some things clearly yes others No.
come on.. he is an educated man. most on here are at most college level if that. He would run rings round anyone on here. easy to mouth off when you got support on a forum but one on one he would win. just my opinion.
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Why should anyone miss him? He only contributed to one thread and that was about himself.
X2
All ME ME ME
Some of it interesting
Clearly a nerve was stuck for him to vanish
No, he was trash.
He said he would not defend an animal abuser, but would defend a child molester.
When he was called out for, he threw a temper tantrum and left.
Also "Be There" & "Princess L" had him pegged as to what he is for a while.
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come on.. he is an educated man. most on here are at most college level if that. He would run rings round anyone on here. easy to mouth off when you got support on a forum but one on one he would win. just my opinion.
I would hope he would "run rings" around anyone here as it relates to the lawyer. He is a lawyer.
But that doesn't mean he knows ore than getbiggers about every topic.
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come on.. he is an educated man. most on here are at most college level if that. He would run rings round anyone on here. easy to mouth off when you got support on a forum but one on one he would win. just my opinion.
Like wise its my opinion he doesn't know about everything, educated or not.
Plenty of educated people on here also if you bothered to read some of the better
sensible posts.
Clearly you don't think you could hold a conversation with him.
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I would hope he would "run rings" around anyone here as it relates to the lawyer. He is a lawyer.
But that doesn't mean he knows ore than getbiggers about every topic.
well i would put it this way..referring to the post from Illuminati... someone like "bethere" is the last person who could conduct a serious debate with an educated man. trolling on a forum & real life are two worlds.
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Like wise its my opinion he doesn't know about everything, educated or not.
Plenty of educated people on here also if you bothered to read some of the better
sensible posts.
Clearly you don't think you could hold a conversation with him.
well my Education is at college level but you know i don't engage in conversations i know nothing about as do a lot of people on here.
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well i would put it this way..referring to the post from Illuminati... someone like "bethere" is the last person who could conduct a serious debate with an educated man. trolling on a forum & real life are two worlds.
Really - Clearly 'Be There' certainly shut harley up, He being that cleaver & well educated
He didnt run rings round 'Be There@ in fact he Ran away.... ::)
look through that thread & as 'princess L' said he exposed himself for what he likely is.
And at least one other person still on this forum came across as very suspicious & IIRC
has been called out.
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well i would put it this way..referring to the post from Illuminati... someone like "bethere" is the last person who could conduct a serious debate with an educated man. trolling on a forum & real life are two worlds.
A serious debate on what?
An educated man is only an educated man on the subject to which he has educated himself on.
This depiction of an "educated" man running rings around people by virtue of being generally "educated" is laughable. Why get into an argument about anything if you're uneducated on the subject? That's the sign of a mental midget.
Some of the most educated men I have known have been gigantic buffoons with clearly evident personality problems that certainly do not guarantee them to be indomitable in a battle of wit.
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Let me think about that a moment...Nope. Not really.
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Really - Clearly 'Be There' certainly shut harley up, He being that cleaver & well educated
He didnt run rings round 'Be There@ in fact he Ran away.... ::)
look through that thread & as 'princess L' said he exposed himself for what he likely is.
And at least one other person still on this forum came across as very suspicious & IIRC
has been called out.
Please elobarate, Sir. Harvey defended the lowest of low but for what was he "exposed"?
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A serious debate on what?
An educated man is only an educated man on the subject to which he has educated himself on.
This depiction of an "educated" man running rings around people by virtue of being generally "educated" is laughable. Why get into an argument about anything if you're uneducated on the subject? That's the sign of a mental midget.
Some of the most educated men I have known have been gigantic buffoons with clearly evident personality problems that certainly do not guarantee them to be indomitable in a battle of wit.
to Quote you.. " why get into an argument about anything if you're "uneducated" on the subject" this is what i am saying. People on here think they know better than a Lawyer. They can give an opinion but do not know law. thank you my friend for proving my point.
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A serious debate on what?
An educated man is only an educated man on the subject to which he has educated himself on.
This depiction of an "educated" man running rings around people by virtue of being generally "educated" is laughable. Why get into an argument about anything if you're uneducated on the subject? That's the sign of a mental midget.
Some of the most educated men I have known have been gigantic buffoons with clearly evident personality problems that certainly do not guarantee them to be indomitable in a battle of wit.
Exactly, this is why people in most areas of study, there are sub fields.
This is the main problem with politicians--they believe they are experts on every subject.
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to Quote you.. " why get into an argument about anything if you're "uneducated" on the subject" this is what i am saying. People on here think they know better than a Lawyer. They can give an opinion but do not know law. thank you my friend for proving my point.
come on.. he is an educated man. most on here are at most college level if that. He would run rings round anyone on here. easy to mouth off when you got support on a forum but one on one he would win. just my opinion.
This is what you said.. You Clearly did not specify the subject - You state he would run rings around anyone on here.
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come on.. he is an educated man. most on here are at most college level if that. He would run rings round anyone on here. easy to mouth off when you got support on a forum but one on one he would win. just my opinion.
This is what you said.. You Clearly did not specify the subject - You state he would run rings around anyone on here.
I think i Quoted a poster on here. hit the nail on the head. proved my point. :)
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Off topic, I started out hard as hell against him with some burning insults, but he did win me over. When I casually mentioned a legal matter, he researched the hell out of it and sent me more info than I could use in a PM. Dude earned my respect there.
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Off topic, I started out hard as hell against him with some burning insults, but he did win me over. When I casually mentioned a legal matter, he researched the hell out of it and sent me more info than I could use in a PM. Dude earned my respect there.
I think he also did work with handicapped people. remember the pictures.
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Really - Clearly 'Be There' certainly shut harley up, He being that cleaver & well educated
He didnt run rings round 'Be There@ in fact he Ran away.... ::)
look through that thread & as 'princess L' said he exposed himself for what he likely is.
And at least one other person still on this forum came across as very suspicious & IIRC
has been called out.
Start reading from P.119 forward.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=578368.msg8408176#msg8408176
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BeThere/Simon/UKJeff/Jeffley where u at son? showed everyone Your Breitness true colors in that thread.
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now come on people let us have a civil debate here. ;)
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Harley left with his tail between his legs when people stopped kissing his ass!! FACT!!
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=578368.msg8408176#msg8408176
[/quote]Please elobarate, Sir. Harvey defended the lowest of low but for what was he "exposed"?
Start reading from P.119 forward.
As Princess L says read through the Thread.
draw your own conclusions - Mine could be wrong.
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Not a bit.
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Start reading from P.119 forward.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=578368.msg8408176#msg8408176
Donny doing a great impression of darkeyes in that thread
Fuck , I was on good form in that thread even though I say it myself..
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Donny doing a great impression of darkeyes in that thread
Fuck , I was on good form in that thread even though I say it myself..
So darkeyes is PeDonny?
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So darkeyes is PeDonny?
pretty much...
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LOL at anyone thinking there is actual serious debate on this site and/or waxing poetic about people contributing to threads
every thread any member starts here or "contributes" to gets derailed by any getbigger, some fat jiggly ass pics, or more often than not someone making ESFitness meltdown
this was like the only thread in the past 2 years where it actually took 120 plus pages to get derailed. that was impressive. it actually has good conversation and debate in it, even where every snowflake freaked out because of Harley doing his job a defence lawyer, which whether people like it or not is part of the road a defence lawyer must face. Kinda rich comeing from a site where the majority of members who work out the 20 years the site has been opened as well as others who have at some point purchased/sold/used illegal in most countries without a prescriptions perforrmance enhancing drugs plus recs with some as well. And the first thing most people here would do if they got caught buying/selling/using ped's....call a criminal lawyer
anyone here who uses or has used anabolics after 1990 has broken the law, unless your country they are totally legal to buy for personal use, but even if posession is legal the act of buying/selling isn't so shut the fuck everyone with your hypocritical moral crusades about the lawyer here, hate the criminals he defends, dont hate him for doing his profession.
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LOL at anyone thinking there is actual serious debate on this site and/or waxing poetic about people contributing to threads
every thread any member starts here or "contributes" to gets derailed by any getbigger, some fat jiggly ass pics, or more often than not someone making ESFitness meltdown
this was like the only thread in the past 2 years where it actually took 120 plus pages to get derailed. that was impressive. it actually has good conversation and debate in it, even where every snowflake freaked out because of Harley doing his job a defence lawyer, which whether people like it or not is part of the road a defence lawyer must face. Kinda rich comeing from a site where the majority of members who work out the 20 years the site has been opened as well as others who have at some point purchased/sold/used illegal in most countries without a prescriptions plus recs with some as well. And the first thing most people here would do if they got caught buying/selling/using ped's....call a criminal lawyer
anyone here who uses or has used anabolics after 1990 has broken the law, unless your country they are totally legal to buy for personal use, but even if posession is legal the act of buying/selling isn't so shut the fuck everyone with your hypocritical moral crusades about the lawyer here, hate the criminals he defends, dont hate him for doing his profession.
go read the thread properly....
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LOL at anyone thinking there is actual serious debate on this site and/or waxing poetic about people contributing to threads
every thread any member starts here or "contributes" to gets derailed by any getbigger, some fat jiggly ass pics, or more often than not someone making ESFitness meltdown
this was like the only thread in the past 2 years where it actually took 120 plus pages to get derailed. that was impressive. it actually has good conversation and debate in it, even where every snowflake freaked out because of Harley doing his job a defence lawyer, which whether people like it or not is part of the road a defence lawyer must face. Kinda rich comeing from a site where the majority of members who work out the 20 years the site has been opened as well as others who have at some point purchased/sold/used illegal in most countries without a prescriptions plus recs with some as well. And the first thing most people here would do if they got caught buying/selling/using ped's....call a criminal lawyer
anyone here who uses or has used anabolics after 1990 has broken the law, unless your country they are totally legal to buy for personal use, but even if posession is legal the act of buying/selling isn't so shut the fuck everyone with your hypocritical moral crusades about the lawyer here, hate the criminals he defends, dont hate him for doing his profession.
Meltdown.
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go read the thread properly....
I did read the thread in its entirety, I was in it here and there when it started
I just find it rich about some of the moral crusaders here, sorry
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Meltdown.
so says the guy who...
-faked his death on a message board for attention
-wrote a post claiming he sucked a dick so he could get attention from a message board
-thinks he is some kind of royalty on a message board and has spent years calling himself "King" despite the mockery he gets because of it.
-makes loser gets banned polls, loses poll, gets banned then begs mods and ron to come back
-begged the powers that be at getbig for years to be a mod because he has no life outside the board
-begged Josh to let him on his board and paid him $150 for it. Later begged to be mod
-got banned from getbig at the beginning the year, went and joined RX, shit talked Getbig during that time, Eventually got banned by a bigger homo than him named Curt James
-joined MD, whenever he acts up the emembers there remind him of his discksucking confession
-Most likely has a hereditary propensity to borrow ice cream money off little girls only to spend it on beer and cigarettes for himherself
did I miss anything Shizzo
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few things
LOL at anyone thinking there is actual serious debate on this site and/or waxing poetic about people contributing to threads
every thread any member starts here or "contributes" to gets derailed by any getbigger, some fat jiggly ass pics, or more often than not someone making ESFitness meltdown
this was like the only thread in the past 2 years where it actually took 120 plus pages to get derailed. that was impressive. it actually has good conversation and debate in it, even where every snowflake freaked out because of Harley doing his job a defence lawyer, which whether people like it or not is part of the road a defence lawyer must face. Kinda rich comeing from a site where the majority of members who work out the 20 years the site has been opened as well as others who have at some point purchased/sold/used illegal in most countries without a prescriptions perforrmance enhancing drugs plus recs with some as well. And the first thing most people here would do if they got caught buying/selling/using ped's....call a criminal lawyer
anyone here who uses or has used anabolics after 1990 has broken the law, unless your country they are totally legal to buy for personal use, but even if posession is legal the act of buying/selling isn't so shut the fuck everyone with your hypocritical moral crusades about the lawyer here, hate the criminals he defends, dont hate him for doing his profession.
Great post man. You are spot on.
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Great post man. You are spot on.
Thanks.
Of course most will just use it to troll me or something because for some reason it is cool for 30,40,50, 60 year olds to chase people off message boards they don't own
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so says the guy who...
-faked his death on a message board for attention
-wrote a post claiming he sucked a dick so he could get attention from a message board
-thinks he is some kind of royalty on a message board and has spent years calling himself "King" despite the mockery he gets because of it.
-makes loser gets banned polls, loses poll, gets banned then begs mods and ron to come back
-begged the powers that be at getbig for years to be a mod because he has no life outside the board
-begged Josh to let him on his board and paid him $150 for it. Later begged to be mod
-got banned from getbig at the beginning the year, went and joined RX, shit talked Getbig during that time, Eventually got banned by a bigger homo than him named Curt James
-joined MD, whenever he acts up the emembers there remind him of his discksucking confession
-Most likely has a hereditary propensity to borrow ice cream money off little girls only to spend it on beer and cigarettes for himherself
did I miss anything Shizzo
You take this place way too seriously.
Posting about posting.... ::)
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You take this place way too seriously.
Posting about posting.... ::)
you are the king of posting about posting
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you are the king of posting about posting
It's about time you showed me some respect.
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Haha did Shizzo really pay Josh to post on his site?!? 😂😂😂😂😂
Shizzo also took money from Junior. 😂😂😂😂
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!!!
I don't know the facts of the case, but from the snippet above it seems like Harley argued that his client had a break from epistemic access to "his" actions: "[He] did not know what he was doing." Perhaps it would have been more Kahnstructive to argue that the man who committed the crime did know what "he" was doing, but that the man on trial, because of his "diseased mind," is constitutively different from the murderer, and hence not the same "he" as the murderer. So, it's not that his client was psychologically closed off to his actions during the crime, rather, because of temporary physiological changes, his client is not that guy! Almost impossible to prove, but more interesting, no?
Abstract: Can one’s identity be divorced from one’s actions? In this paper, I stop at the intersection of literature and law to synthesize two sketches: one from the world of fiction; the other from the world of fact. The paper proceeds in four sections. In section one, I examine Sophocles’ Ajax, and discuss a character who equates his identity with his actions, even though he is clearly not “himself” when performing them. I consider what I call the 'Ajax Case,' namely, the causal chain of events that show the eponymous hero’s mind falling victim to the intrusive manipulations of the goddess Athena, and his subsequent decision to suicide. For Ajax there is no separating identity from actions, even if mitigated by a deity. I suggest that if Ajax would have understood the identity-action relationship a little differently, he might have reasoned that his actions were committed non compos mentis; thus severing his identity from his humiliation and releasing him from suicidal shame. In section two, I consider the Yates Case. Andrea P. Yates, a mother whose personal identity was deemed by a U.S. court as sufficiently separate from her act of filicide, was found not guilty of drowning her five children by reason of insanity; thus helping her escape the full punishment of the law. In section three, I show how both the Ajax and Yates cases involve the “McNaughton Rule,” i.e., the insanity defense. Although extremely difficult to establish, the rule’s most salient point is the presumption of sanity, unless it can be shown that at the time of committing a crime, the accused was laboring under such a defect of reason as not to be the agent of her actions. Consequently, I highlight two disparate theories of identity: John Locke’s view of psychological continuity, and Bernard Williams’ bodily criterion or spatiotemporal view. Finally, in section four, I argue that while Locke and Williams have antithetical views on personal identity, they nevertheless both involve the notions of persistence and stability. Therefore, while the Ajax and Yates cases have contentious outcomes, because the continuity between their identities and actions appear broken, their identities and actions can be divorced and bifurcated.
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Haha did Shizzo really pay Josh to post on his site?!? 😂😂😂😂😂
Shizzo also took money from Junior. 😂😂😂😂
yep
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Haha did Shizzo really pay Josh to post on his site?!? 😂😂😂😂😂
Shizzo also took money from Junior. 😂😂😂😂
I gave to charities and took from chumps.
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I gave to charities and took from chumps.
what charities?
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what charities?
Animal shelters and the Tom Arnold, Treasure Troll, and Ugly Canadian Fucktard
Charities.
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Animal shelters and the Tom Arnold, Treasure Troll, and Ugly Canadian Fucktard
Charities.
drinking again?
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what charities?
He's lying. He never gave to charities. Plus, he paid josh to post on his site haha lol. Oh, that is rich haha lol
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Thanks.
Of course most will just use it to troll me or something because for some reason it is cool for 30,40,50, 60 year olds to chase people off message boards they don't own
;D
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He's lying. He never gave to charities. Plus, he paid josh to post on his site haha lol. Oh, that is rich haha lol
iT was 150 well spent as soon as he came on and became mod of his own section only. everyone left after a week including Josh lol
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iT was 150 well spent as soon as he came on and became mod of his own section only. everyone left after a week including Josh lol
Haha how sad. He paid someone to post on their forum haha lol 😂😂😂😂😂
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Exactly, this is why people in most areas of study, there are sub fields.
This is the main problem with politicians--they believe they are experts on every subject.
Is it?
I don't agree.
It is a problem, sure, but politicians are people who are advised by other people and perhaps most damagingly, they are also cajoled by opinion/saving their own skin/money and a great deal other motives, other than the truth.
That's what is the problem with politics. It's a business, like any other. Sure, sometimes their opinions count for more than the facts - but so does the shit that is behind them - like big business and stuff like that.
If politicians were straight academics who weren't subject to popular opinion or corruption, they would be closer to having no problems - but that is an idealistic scenario, unlikely to occur.
I mean, consider this. What if an academic politician got up and described a conclusion based solely on a (theoretical) statistical result - that the deaths of people due to guns in the US is unavoidable and that it is impossible to stop a lone wolf from committing that crime - so instead of spending millions and still failing, they are going to spend the money on research into treatment of gunshots?
People would be lynching that guy in the streets, because it doesn't fit with the motives of others.
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Haha did Shizzo really pay Josh to post on his site?!? 😂😂😂😂😂
Shizzo also took money from Junior. 😂😂😂😂
Was Juniors money then... :D
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Was Juniors money then... :D
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Was Juniors money then... :D
haha lol.
I love how Shizzo reposts those photoshops and goes along with the joke in order to pretend like it doesn't bother him. :D :D
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haha lol.
I love how Shizzo reposts those photoshops and goes along with the joke in order to pretend like it doesn't bother him. :D :D
What's the joke?
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so says the guy who...
-faked his death on a message board for attention
-wrote a post claiming he sucked a dick so he could get attention from a message board
-thinks he is some kind of royalty on a message board and has spent years calling himself "King" despite the mockery he gets because of it.
-makes loser gets banned polls, loses poll, gets banned then begs mods and ron to come back
-begged the powers that be at getbig for years to be a mod because he has no life outside the board
-begged Josh to let him on his board and paid him $150 for it. Later begged to be mod
-got banned from getbig at the beginning the year, went and joined RX, shit talked Getbig during that time, Eventually got banned by a bigger homo than him named Curt James
-joined MD, whenever he acts up the emembers there remind him of his discksucking confession
-Most likely has a hereditary propensity to borrow ice cream money off little girls only to spend it on beer and cigarettes for himherself
did I miss anything Shizzo
Thank you for listing this down in one place. It's hard to keep up with the most despised member on this board. I hope others will add to this in case you missed anything.