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I made it mandatory for my team to show up at the field 5:30am. Already getting a bunch on whiners. Hahaha.
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They may find it hard to take orders from a 5'2 man :)
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I made it mandatory for my team to show up at the field 5:30am. Already getting a bunch on whiners. Hahaha.
530 am,fuck that shit.Fuck doing anything that early.I get up that early some days but if i had to do something that early i would quit whatever it was.Never understood the extreme early stuff.
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I was hoping you would read a non- fiction book but good luck. Especially is dealing with teens. Or people in 20s. Or 30s.
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I made it mandatory for my team to show up at the field 5:30am. Already getting a bunch on whiners. Hahaha.
in only 10 days of your program one of the biggest things I am noticing is my, for lack of better words,..ability to be more stationary agile---example, I can squat down and stay there for a long time without pain,...I can put socks on without having to lift my leg with my hand,...wayyyyy less hip pain,...........I know its super early but I wont deny something is different
being so nice to you for all these years is paying off :-X :-X :-X
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in only 10 days of your program one of the biggest things I am noticing is my, for lack of better words,..ability to be more stationary agile---example, I can squat down and stay there for a long time without pain,...I can put socks on without having to lift my leg with my hand,...wayyyyy less hip pain,...........I know its super early but I wont deny something is different
being so nice to you for all these years is paying off :-X :-X :-X
That's awesome. Soft-tissue work, mobility drills and flexibility works wonders.
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530 am,fuck that shit.Fuck doing anything that early.I get up that early some days but if i had to do something that early i would quit whatever it was.Never understood the extreme early stuff.
Well. 1. I'm making it part of their grade and its mandatory. 2. They (or who ever) has to come out of their comfort zone if they want to see dramatic changes.
I have their entire morning and afternoon scheduled down to the minute especially since CIF rules only allow 18 hours a week for everything.
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coach there is nothing wrong with that , hell i get up at 4 am and in gym by 5 am on work days.
tell them to set an alarm clock and quit bitching, the hardest part is getting up
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Well. 1. I'm making it part of their grade and its mandatory. 2. They (or who ever) has to come out of their comfort zone if they want to see dramatic changes.
I have their entire morning and afternoon scheduled down to the minute especially since CIF rules only allow 18 hours a week for everything.
There is a ton of truth in you second point. A life lesson, if you will.
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Well. 1. I'm making it part of their grade and its mandatory. 2. They (or who ever) has to come out of their comfort zone if they want to see dramatic changes.
I have their entire morning and afternoon scheduled down to the minute especially since CIF rules only allow 18 hours a week for everything.
A grade for a football team???
We all practiced after school. Not before.
This makes zero sense.
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A grade for a football team???
We all practiced after school. Not before.
This makes zero sense.
It's always been a part of their grade. Worth 2.5 instead of 5.
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It's always been a part of their grade. Worth 2.5 instead of 5.
Never heard of such a thing.
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Never heard of such a thing.
That's because it's another delusion from the delusional.
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That's because it's another delusion from the delusional.
Wanna bet? Gimmick.
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lol these hs kids will get coked up 4 this shit
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Wanna bet? Gimmick.
I'll bet 1 partial scholarship.
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wow look at you go.
im going to make people do something stupid because im the midget in charge!
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are you well versed in school district policy?
All it takes is one litigious parent "you're not docking my son's 4.0 GPA because he won't participate in something outside of established school hours", and you'll end up with egg on your face.
this move is a risky one. college acceptance can now depend on waking up at 4am? Remember, this school has the work ethic of a truckload of sewage if they're already 0-for-decade.
you should have consulted the wise minds at getbig for potential cracks.
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Lots of gimmicks showing up in this thread
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are you well versed in school district policy?
All it takes is one litigious parent "you're not docking my son's 4.0 GPA because he won't participate in something outside of established school hours", and you'll end up with egg on your face.
this move is a risky one. college acceptance can now depend on waking up at 4am? Remember, this school has the work ethic of a truckload of sewage if they're already 0-for-decade.
you should have consulted the wise minds at getbig for potential cracks.
Wait until your kid is in HS. There's no such thing as "outside of school hours" when he picks the sport of his choice. Water polo is in before football at 5am. So my next question is how well versed are you in school district policy? In California?
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Lots of gimmicks showing up in this thread
Yeah, they hide.
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Wait until your kid is in HS. There's no such thing as "outside of school hours" when he picks the sport of his choice. Water polo is in before football at 5am. So my next question is how well versed are you in school district policy? In California?
hey man, my child's punk ass would be running suicides at 5:00 am, that's for sure. ;D Boy, get yo ass to practice.
I'm just saying the moment you decide in early December to intro a new 5am policy...
if ONE parent resists, and they get their way, you'll lose all respect with them.
it's fine if that's what it takes to participate in the sport. They can just quit teams if they don't like the hours. But you're saying their GRADE will depend on it? That's a pretty big deal. WE're talking about getting into college here... a "B" and not an "A" could mean the kid misses out on the school of their choice... for something you intro'd 50% thru the school year?
I've been a teacher. I know parents. They often get very upset over sudden changes. Particularly those when the effect can be community college. I hope I'm wrong, but my prediction is one person will balk within 2 weeks, and you'll have to bend.
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hey man, my child's punk ass would be running suicides at 5:00 am, that's for sure. ;D Boy, get yo ass to practice.
I'm just saying the moment you decide in early December to intro a new 5am policy...
if ONE parent resists, and they get their way, you'll lose all respect with them.
it's fine if that's what it takes to participate in the sport. They can just quit teams if they don't like the hours. But you're saying their GRADE will depend on it? That's a pretty big deal. WE're talking about getting into college here... a "B" and not an "A" could mean the kid misses out on the school of their choice... for something you intro'd 50% thru the school year?
I've been a teacher. I know parents. They often get very upset over sudden changes. Particularly those when the effect can be community college. I hope I'm wrong, but my prediction is one person will balk within 2 weeks, and you'll have to bend.
We expect a pushback from certain parents and we pretty much know who they will be. But these are also the same parents who complain that the team isn't winning, they suck blah, blah, blah. But if they're not apart of the solution they'll be part of the problem. If they don't want to lose they shouldn't complain because their kid has to show up early.
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We expect a pushback from certain parents and we pretty much know who they will be. But these are also the same parents who complain that the team isn't winning, they suck blah, blah, blah. But if they're not apart of the solution they'll be part of the problem. If they don't want to lose they shouldn't complain because their kid has to show up early.
Do you ever stop and reflect on your lifetime achievements and realize that you are a pathetic failure.
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Do you ever stop and reflect on your lifetime achievements and realize that you are a pathetic failure.
Haha, I expose myself completely and you hide behind a gimmick and I'm the failure. Hahahahahahahahahhahahha hahahahhaah.
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We expect a pushback from certain parents and we pretty much know who they will be. But these are also the same parents who complain that the team isn't winning, they suck blah, blah, blah. But if they're not apart of the solution they'll be part of the problem. If they don't want to lose they shouldn't complain because their kid has to show up early.
so would you really give a kid a B instead of an A... if he fails to show up for required 5am practice?
IMO, you're gonna have to back down when they do. Then the rest of the students on that team will say "why doesn't johnny have to show up? He's getting the same 'A' that I am, and he doesn't have to get up early?
I don't think you can knock down the grades. You can label them "part of the problem" and enjoy the symbolic victory, but you're messing with their college admissions here. I don't think you can dock grades.
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so would you really give a kid a B instead of an A... if he fails to show up for required 5am practice?
IMO, you're gonna have to back down when they do. Then the rest of the students on that team will say "why doesn't johnny have to show up? He's getting the same 'A' that I am, and he doesn't have to get up early?
I don't think you can knock down the grades. You can label them "part of the problem" and enjoy the symbolic victory, but you're messing with their college admissions here. I don't think you can dock grades.
I'm not handing out the grades the head coach is. I'm the strength and conditioning coach but since I'm with them more than the head coach it's my programming call. He agreed to it.
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Sweet. make them work. if the team is that poor on their win/loss record, it's likely such a funk of depression and lack of self-esteem. When will they start seeing results? Spring football or fall 2016?
I'm not handing out the grades the head coach is. I'm the strength and conditioning coach but since I'm with them more than the head coach it's my programming call. He agreed to it.
Well. 1. I'm making it part of their grade and its mandatory.
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I can't speak for weak minded kids today but I loved early morning practices years ago... Discipline is sorely lacking from most people's lives.
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Wait until your kid is in HS. There's no such thing as "outside of school hours" when he picks the sport of his choice. Water polo is in before football at 5am. So my next question is how well versed are you in school district policy? In California?
Yes, water polo is early... Some sports are early, but they aren't graded on those sports.
These are extra curricular activities. They are not required subjects. You don't just grade kids because they can throw a football or whatever.
I have no problem with the requirement that to participate in the sport you have to show up when a coach says so, but to grade them?
That is quite unheard of.
I played more than a couple of varsity sports, but I never got graded on them.
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I can't speak for weak minded kids today but I loved early morning practices years ago... Discipline is sorely lacking from most people's lives.
I couldn't agree more. Like I said this team hasn't won a league game in 13 seasons with an average record of 1-9. This change is needed.
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I couldn't agree more. Like I said this team hasn't won a league game in 13 seasons with an average record of 1-9. This change is needed.
Anyone who says it isn't about winning makes me insane. Of course it's about winning.
Trying your best.
Having fun.
Good sport.
All that shit is loser talk that prepares kids to be failures as adults. I'm not suggesting that they don't have their place in winning... But winning needs to be the core focus of the activity.
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Yes, water polo is early... Some sports are early, but they aren't graded on those sports.
These are extra curricular activities. They are not required subjects. You don't just grade kids because they can throw a football or whatever.
I have no problem with the requirement that to participate in the sport you have to show up when a coach says so, but to grade them?
That is quite unheard of.
I played more than a couple of varsity sports, but I never got graded on them.
Well, if you choose to play that sport (like football) it's a sixth period class (or 5th if that student has a zero period).
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Well, if you choose to play that sport (like football) it's a sixth period class (or 5th if that student has a zero period).
Things have certainly changed since I was a kid.
To play football we all had to stay after when the last bell rang and go to practice. Same with wrestling and Soccer. All after school.
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Anyone who says it isn't about winning makes me insane. Of course it's about winning.
Trying your best.
Having fun.
Good sport.
All that shit is loser talk that prepares kids to be failures as adults. I'm not suggesting that they don't have their place in winning... But winning needs to be the core focus of the activity.
Anything before sophomore year IMO is considered developmental unless the kid gets brought up to varsity. But yeah, In high school it's not about about fun anymore especially when the athlete enters his Jr. Year where he/she starts getting looks from colleges. At that point it's ALL about winning.
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We expect a pushback from certain parents and we pretty much know who they will be. But these are also the same parents who complain that the team isn't winning, they suck blah, blah, blah. But if they're not apart of the solution they'll be part of the problem. If they don't want to lose they shouldn't complain because their kid has to show up early.
Stop feeding your personal troll.....one delusional parent wont take away all of your credibility.......you and your work ethic should be respected!
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Haha, I expose myself completely and you hide behind a gimmick and I'm the failure. Hahahahahahahahahhahahha hahahahhaah.
You expose yourself as being completely full of shit.
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So the parents have to wake up early to drive their non driving kid to practice then go to work?
I live in Jersey. Never heard of a kid getting an academic grade for participating in a sport. California is the fruit and nuts capital.
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I made it mandatory for my team to show up at the field 5:30am. Already getting a bunch on whiners. Hahaha.
Would be awesome if no one shows up one day..
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Would be awesome if no one shows up one day..
Won't happen. Good way to pick the starters though
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Would be awesome if no one shows up one day..
32 this morning.
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Always fun to see a manlet try to hurt others. And funnier to see that he obviously is poorly educated and should have known this was a horrible idea from a performance standpoint. I've looked especially for a source that does not use big words. Try reading all of it. http://sleepcenter.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=63
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No wonder china and india are kicking our asses in education, kids get up at 5:30am to run around cones instead of reviewing their home work to make sure they get and A for the last nights assignment
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It's always been a part of their grade. Worth 2.5 instead of 5.
Varsity sports always counted toward my phys ed grade and why shouldn't it? A well run 2 hour hockey/football practice is more beneficial than 45 minutes of gym class badminton.
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Always fun to see a manlet try to hurt others. And funnier to see that he obviously is poorly educated and should have known this was a horrible idea from a performance standpoint. I've looked especially for a source that does not use big words. Try reading all of it. http://sleepcenter.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=63
Thanks for that.....now go away.
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Varsity sports always counted toward my phys ed grade and why shouldn't it? A well run 2 hour hockey/football practice is more beneficial than 45 minutes of gym class badminton.
It is.
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No wonder china and india are kicking our asses in education, kids get up at 5:30am to run around cones instead of reviewing their home work to make sure they get and A for the last nights assignment
The problem was last years schedule everything was done after school (their 6th period) from 2:30 to about 6:00 then as the season drew closer it went until 7 into the season, weight training, conditioning and practice were concurrent, by the time they got home they were dead and falling asleep while trying to finish homework, study, etc.
This schedule is practical in the sense that weight room and field work is all done in the morning and until actual football practice starts, they're home early, eat, a couple of hours of HW and in bed by 9pm or so. Once they get used to it, it's a much easier schedule and more productive all the way around.
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Always fun to see a manlet try to hurt others. And funnier to see that he obviously is poorly educated and should have known this was a horrible idea from a performance standpoint. I've looked especially for a source that does not use big words. Try reading all of it. http://sleepcenter.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=63
Funny how UCLA and USC as with most colleges run their programs in the morning. Next time you decide open your pie hole, think first.
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Funny how UCLA and USC as with most colleges run their programs in the morning. Next time you decide open your pie hole, think first.
So, your ground breaking 5 o'clock deal is just another idea you ripped off from real coaches?
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So the parents have to wake up early to drive their non driving kid to practice then go to work?
I live in Jersey. Never heard of a kid getting an academic grade for participating in a sport. California is the fruit and nuts capital.
Our beaches are SO much better than yours.
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Varsity sports always counted toward my phys ed grade and why shouldn't it? A well run 2 hour hockey/football practice is more beneficial than 45 minutes of gym class badminton.
How old are you?
I ask seriously because my varsity sports NEVER counted to my grade. Not once.
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32 this morning.
Enjoy your victory while you can..
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How old are you?
I ask seriously because my varsity sports NEVER counted to my grade. Not once.
I'm 50. It was in Canada...Quebec and Ontario.
I was also allowed to skate in the arena during typing class... a lot of good that does me now. :(
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I'm 50. It was in Canada...Quebec and Ontario.
I was also allowed to skate in the arena during typing class... a lot of good that does me now. :(
Must be a Canadian thing.
I went to school in a couple of States and none of them ever considered extra curricular sports as grades.
Not in JV or Varsity.
Interesting.
Thanks for the info.
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The problem was last years schedule everything was done after school (their 6th period) from 2:30 to about 6:00 then as the season drew closer it went until 7 into the season, weight training, conditioning and practice were concurrent, by the time they got home they were dead and falling asleep while trying to finish homework, study, etc.
This schedule is practical in the sense that weight room and field work is all done in the morning and until actual football practice starts, they're home early, eat, a couple of hours of HW and in bed by 9pm or so. Once they get used to it, it's a much easier schedule and more productive all the way around.
So practice at 5:30, then school, then homework. When do they get time for themselves? Is this normal in America? Won't the kids burn out?
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Must be a Canadian thing.
I went to school in a couple of States and none of them ever considered extra curricular sports as grades.
Not in JV or Varsity.
Interesting.
Thanks for the info.
We had 6th period "Athletics," where we weight-trained or whatever to prep for our sport. Graded and part of our transcript.
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Enjoy your victory while you can..
Not quite sure what means but thanks. Maybe you can explain that....or not.
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Not quite sure what means but thanks. Maybe you can explain that....or not.
Explaining would be <DUH!>, but I wish you all the best with your team
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We had 6th period "Athletics," where we weight-trained or whatever to prep for our sport. Graded and part of our transcript.
Just asked my boss about this. His son graduated recently and was a varsity football player.
He also didn't get graded for football and he's in LA.
Differences in localities I suppose.
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Explaining would be <DUH!>, but I wish you all the best with your team
Why not just say you can't explain it and move on. Don't take a cheap shot without backing it up.
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Why not just say you can't explain it and move on. Don't take a cheap shot without backing it up.
I did backwards not really running more like walking on the treadmill--cant go outside--too cold
and it did not end well :-X :-X :-X
talk about awkward and strange
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Just asked my boss about this. His son graduated recently and was a varsity football player.
He also didn't get graded for football and he's in LA.
Differences in localities I suppose.
Perhaps. I graduated in '86, only mentioning what we had back when.
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Why not just say you can't explain it and move on. Don't take a cheap shot without backing it up.
Showing your authority this way is just plain silly. LOL, what do you expect, that all of them go to bed before 10 PM? They're adults man ::)
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Showing your authority this way is just plain silly. LOL, what do you expect, that all of them go to bed before 10 PM? They're adults man ::)
what if some have part-time jobs? When i was in high school, I frequently worked the 5-10 shift at a grocery store.
I'd hit the sheets by 1130 or 12. Getting up at 4am to make it to football practice for an 0-for-decade team or I get an F? Nah.
the recovery process is a huge part of successful athletes. In order to get 8 hours of sleep and make it to practice at 5am, these players have to literally fall asleep at 8pm each night. possible?
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what if some have part-time jobs? When i was in high school, I frequently worked the 5-10 shift at a grocery store.
I'd hit the sheets by 1130 or 12. Getting up at 4am to make it to football practice for an 0-for-decade team or I get an F? Nah.
the recovery process is a huge part of successful athletes. In order to get 8 hours of sleep and make it to practice at 5am, these players have to literally fall asleep at 8pm each night. possible?
I had a part time job on exactly the same hours for over 3 years, it sucked, esp after a leg session the evening before, LOL
Anyway, sure it's possible to go to bed at 8PM and that should be sufficient to up that early, but hey, these people have social lives / families as well, or don't they?
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Always fun to see a manlet try to hurt others. And funnier to see that he obviously is poorly educated and should have known this was a horrible idea from a performance standpoint. I've looked especially for a source that does not use big words. Try reading all of it. http://sleepcenter.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=63
Many school districts are now making high school students come in at a later time. Research is showing that melatonin decreases during the teenage years, thus making it more difficult for teens to fall asleep. As such, they are staying up much later, and have trouble getting up early in the morning for school. Some school districts are now changing the times to a later start time. These schools have seen an increase in performance.
Sleep specialists have advocated to school districts that high school kids start at a later time due to changing sleep patterns during puberty.
But Coach is a great man! I am sure he knows what he is doing!
From the Center for Disease and Control
Why School Should Start Later in the Morning
The CDC weighs in: Early class times are taking a toll on adolescents’ health and academic performance.
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/08/why-school-should-start-later/401489/
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Many school districts are now making high school students come in at a later time. Research is showing that melatonin decreases during the teenage years, thus making it more difficult for teens to fall asleep. As such, they are staying up much later, and have trouble getting up early in the morning for school. Some school districts are now changing the times to a later start time. These schools have seen an increase in performance.
Sleep specialists have advocated to school districts that high school kids start at a later time due to changing sleep patterns during puberty.
Melatonin, then, not the endless hours online chatting and gaming away?
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Melatonin, then, not the endless hours online chatting and gaming away?
Artificial light from video games, computer, and cell phones can suppresses melatonin, thus making it more difficult to fall asleep. So, this may be exacerbating the decrease in melatonin in teens. However, melatonin still decreases in teens, independent of artificial light. It's part of puberty. Obviously, artificial light can make it worse.
I'm only alluding to what the research says.
But there are probably pros and cons to an early or late school start.
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Melatonin, then, not the endless hours online chatting and gaming away?
Good point..
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How you do in a gym/sports class can affect your GPA for college there?
Wouldn't have affected me but don't see how it would help you be an engineer or English teacher.
The leaving cert (Irish equivalent of high school final exam that determines what university you go to) is completely academic. Of course you can choose bullshit subjects (home economics and classical history count the same as chemistry and biology when applying for medicine) or do music etc.. sport is outside of school though. As it should be, otherwise it ruins the spirit of sport as a kid.
That last point leads me to the question - regardless of results, will kids have any fond memories or gain anything for life (other than bosses are pricks) from this endeavour?
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Showing your authority this way is just plain silly. LOL, what do you expect, that all of them go to bed before 10 PM? They're adults man ::)
They're adults??? They're in high school genius. Maybe the high schoolers in your country are adults. lol
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Many school districts are now making high school students come in at a later time. Research is showing that melatonin decreases during the teenage years, thus making it more difficult for teens to fall asleep. As such, they are staying up much later, and have trouble getting up early in the morning for school. Some school districts are now changing the times to a later start time. These schools have seen an increase in performance.
Sleep specialists have advocated to school districts that high school kids start at a later time due to changing sleep patterns during puberty.
But Coach is a great man! I am sure he knows what he is doing!
From the Center for Disease and Control
Why School Should Start Later in the Morning
The CDC weighs in: Early class times are taking a toll on adolescents’ health and academic performance.
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/08/why-school-should-start-later/401489/
I can't think of one high school or college that would take this study into consideration. I dunno, I could be wrong.
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I can't think of one high school or college that would take this study into consideration. I dunno, I could be wrong.
Its not just ONE study. There is OVERWHELMING evidence that this occurs during teenage years.
Part of puberty is a decrease in melatonin. Melatonin decreases with age (its a biological fact). High levels of melatonin is associated with sleeping. Thus, a decrease in melatonin is equated to staying up longer, and a more difficult time staying asleep.
School districts have already started to implement a later start time and have seen great success. Schools have already been presented with the overwhelming evidence. Schools dont want to change because they dont want to revamp their school day. Its unfortunate because the teenagers suffer.
From one study:
Melatonin significantly decreased with age in both sexes (lineal relationship). This decrease was greater at night.
Melatonin secretion follows a circadian pattern, with greater secretion at night. The change in this rhythm was significantly greater in girls, due to greater nighttime secretion. Secretion significantly decreases in Tanner stages I and II with subsequent decreases in the later stages.
Also:
Doctors blame some of melatonin’s overuse on society’s ignorance about adolescents’ sleep cycle. Teenagers and college students, whose bodies tend to release melatonin much later than adults, often use it in pill or liquid form to reset their body clocks to conform to the demands of early-morning school hours.
“The way school hours work means that we’re asking teens to be functional at a time in the morning when their brains are not ready,” said Dr. Belen Esparis, medical director of Mount Sinai Medical Center’s Sleep Disorders Center and Laboratory and an advocate for later high school hours. Other doctors agree. In a policy statement published online last month, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommended middle and high schools delay the start of class to 8:30 a.m. or later.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/living/article1986235.html#storylink=cpy
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Its not just ONE study. There is OVERWHELMING evidence that this occurs during teenage years.
Part of puberty is a decrease in melatonin. Melatonin decreases with age (its a biological fact). High levels of melatonin is associated with sleeping. Thus, a decrease in melatonin is equated to staying up longer, and a more difficult time staying asleep.
School districts have already started to implement a later start time and have seen great success. Schools have already been presented with the overwhelming evidence. Schools dont want to change because they dont want to revamp their school day. Its unfortunate because the teenagers suffer.
From one study:
Melatonin significantly decreased with age in both sexes (lineal relationship). This decrease was greater at night.
Melatonin secretion follows a circadian pattern, with greater secretion at night. The change in this rhythm was significantly greater in girls, due to greater nighttime secretion. Secretion significantly decreases in Tanner stages I and II with subsequent decreases in the later stages.
Also:
Doctors blame some of melatonin’s overuse on society’s ignorance about adolescents’ sleep cycle. Teenagers and college students, whose bodies tend to release melatonin much later than adults, often use it in pill or liquid form to reset their body clocks to conform to the demands of early-morning school hours.
“The way school hours work means that we’re asking teens to be functional at a time in the morning when their brains are not ready,” said Dr. Belen Esparis, medical director of Mount Sinai Medical Center’s Sleep Disorders Center and Laboratory and an advocate for later high school hours. Other doctors agree. In a policy statement published online last month, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommended middle and high schools delay the start of class to 8:30 a.m. or later.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/living/article1986235.html#storylink=cpy
I still can't think of a successful HS or college program that change because of a study. CIF states we have 18 total hours from weight room to field work and practice in a week. NCAA has 20 hrs. Gotta get it done when you can. Not saying the studies are not valid just saying no program that I can think of would take that into consideration.
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I still can't think of a successful HS or college program that change because of a study. CIF states we have 18 total hours from weight room to field work and practice in a week. NCAA has 20 hrs. Gotta get it done when you can. Not saying the studies are not valid just saying no program that I can think of would take that into consideration.
Of course they would not take it into consideration because they care more about getting it all done and winning, than the short and long term effects of a sleep deprived body. The evidence is indisputable (unlike global warming) regarding teenagers and sleep.
School systems do not want to change. Ive worked with enough elementary, junior high and high schools to know they do not want to change. They have their agenda and are sticking with it. Plain and simple. It takes DRASTIC measures to change any school curriculum or system. They are embedded in their old routines. As I stated, there have been quite a few schools who have started later and have seen great success. Its not that school systems do not believe the data is true; they are just too lazy to have to revamp the whole system.
Although the schools may be successful, there may possibly be long-term effects on students. If kids are going to bed later, and are expecting to wake up very early, this is not good. There is lasting physical affects to a sleep deprived body over time. Most schools can still be successful with a later start time. Again, they just don't want to revamp their system.
I mean, you dont even need to be a scientist to figure it out. Children and babies go to sleep EARLY. As teenagers get older, they go to bed later. I mean, when I grew up in the 90's, I didnt have a computer or cell phone, and I still went to bed much later than when I was 7 years old.
This is from the National Sleep Foundation:
Adolescents today face a widespread chronic health problem: sleep deprivation. Although society often views sleep as a luxury that ambitious or active people cannot afford, research shows that getting enough sleep is a biological necessity, as important to good health as eating well or exercising. Teens are among those least likely to get enough sleep; while they need on average 9 1/4 hours of sleep per night for optimal performance, health and brain development, teens average fewer than 7 hours per school night by the end of high school, and most report feeling tired during the day (Wolfson & Carskadon, 1998). The roots of the problem include poor teen sleep habits that do not allow for enough hours of quality sleep; hectic schedules with afterschool activities and jobs, homework hours and family obligations; and a clash between societal demands, such as early school start times, and biological changes that put most teens on a later sleep-wake clock.
https://sleepfoundation.org/sleep-news/backgrounder-later-school-start-times
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I still can't think of a successful HS or college program that change because of a study.
Really? The 20 hour rule came about as a result of a study. Please tell us random getbiggers aren't more well-versed on study influence on university policy than you?
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/NCAANewsArchive/2006/Editorial/time+to+be+candid+about+20-hour+rule+-+1-2-06+ncaa+news.html
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I knew you fucking idiots would turn this into another one of your fucking stupid political rants. Assholes. So does debating politics make .00000000000001% of a difference in the world of politics? No. 100 thousand posts wasted on waste
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Really? The 20 hour rule came about as a result of a study. Please tell us random getbiggers aren't more well-versed on study influence on university policy than you?
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/NCAANewsArchive/2006/Editorial/time+to+be+candid+about+20-hour+rule+-+1-2-06+ncaa+news.html
Dude. The bottom line of this study of this is the same as it's always been since its inception. Academics before athletics. It's no secret. Hope that helped.
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I knew you fucking idiots would turn this into another one of your fucking stupid political rants. Assholes. So does debating politics make .00000000000001% of a difference in the world of politics? No. 100 thousand posts wasted on waste
holy fucking meltdown ::)
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No one should be up that early unless it's still last night's party, driving to morning surf, or waiting for the jailer to kick ya loose.
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I still can't think of a successful HS or college program that change because of a study.
nothing about headgear, concussion policies changing because of studies either, huh?
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nothing about headgear, concussion policies changing because of studies either, huh?
Wtf does that have to do with this discussion? Nothing. That's what I thought.
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I knew you fucking idiots would turn this into another one of your fucking stupid political rants. Assholes. So does debating politics make .00000000000001% of a difference in the world of politics? No. 100 thousand posts wasted on waste
holy fucking meltdown ::)
You're right though.
Only getbig takes a legit conversation and people trying to understand what's going on and make it politics.
Ridiculous.
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32 people is low, no? And the numbers go down as the practices increase.
Anyway, what steroids are you gonna have them use and why?
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32 people is low, no? And the numbers go down as the practices increase.
Anyway, what steroids are you gonna have them use and why?
Actually this time of the year it's kind of high. My afternoon was out skills player that added an additional 19. At At this time many of the football athletes have in other sports.
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Actually this time of the year it's kind of high. My afternoon was out skills player that added an additional 19. At At this time many of the football athletes have in other sports.
Your next challenge should be trying to hit a golf ball straight.
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We use to get up 3 days a week at 500 am for college football to run and do plymoetrics in the off season. We all fucking hated the strength and conditioning coach for it. He was a real dick head. We all absolutely dreaded it. Only good thing you get it over with and if we didn't have class we would eat and go back to sleep.
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I knew you fucking idiots would turn this into another one of your fucking stupid political rants. Assholes. So does debating politics make .00000000000001% of a difference in the world of politics? No. 100 thousand posts wasted on waste
They always do, usually 240 takes a political pot shot and kicks it off. Ruins alot of threads.
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Wtf does that have to do with this discussion? Nothing. That's what I thought.
You ignore studies and science once again. Lifetime recipe for failure.
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They always do, usually 240 takes a political pot shot and kicks it off. Ruins alot of threads.
When it comes to starting shitty threads about politics, Coach is the true 'winner' with his baseless statements.
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Good luck with this new opportunity, Coach. I wonder if this could lead to bigger and better things down the road.
Would you be interested in an offer to be a college strength coach?
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When it comes to starting shitty threads about politics, Coach is the true 'winner' with his baseless statements.
talking of shit ..you are just that shit
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Of course they would not take it into consideration because they care more about getting it all done and winning, than the short and long term effects of a sleep deprived body. The evidence is indisputable (unlike global warming) regarding teenagers and sleep.
School systems do not want to change. Ive worked with enough elementary, junior high and high schools to know they do not want to change. They have their agenda and are sticking with it. Plain and simple. It takes DRASTIC measures to change any school curriculum or system. They are embedded in their old routines. As I stated, there have been quite a few schools who have started later and have seen great success. Its not that school systems do not believe the data is true; they are just too lazy to have to revamp the whole system.
Although the schools may be successful, there may possibly be long-term effects on students. If kids are going to bed later, and are expecting to wake up very early, this is not good. There is lasting physical affects to a sleep deprived body over time. Most schools can still be successful with a later start time. Again, they just don't want to revamp their system.
I mean, you dont even need to be a scientist to figure it out. Children and babies go to sleep EARLY. As teenagers get older, they go to bed later. I mean, when I grew up in the 90's, I didnt have a computer or cell phone, and I still went to bed much later than when I was 7 years old.
This is from the National Sleep Foundation:
Adolescents today face a widespread chronic health problem: sleep deprivation. Although society often views sleep as a luxury that ambitious or active people cannot afford, research shows that getting enough sleep is a biological necessity, as important to good health as eating well or exercising. Teens are among those least likely to get enough sleep; while they need on average 9 1/4 hours of sleep per night for optimal performance, health and brain development, teens average fewer than 7 hours per school night by the end of high school, and most report feeling tired during the day (Wolfson & Carskadon, 1998). The roots of the problem include poor teen sleep habits that do not allow for enough hours of quality sleep; hectic schedules with afterschool activities and jobs, homework hours and family obligations; and a clash between societal demands, such as early school start times, and biological changes that put most teens on a later sleep-wake clock.
https://sleepfoundation.org/sleep-news/backgrounder-later-school-start-times
I have seen all that research and it completely fits - I was and still am a night owl - but you gotta suck up some shit. Give kids (esp teens) an inch and they will take a mile. We had an 8.50am start in secondary school, much beyond 11am and you're encouraging them to stay up til 3am snapchatting dickpics though.
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I have seen all that research and it completely fits - I was and still am a night owl - but you gotta suck up some shit. Give kids (esp teens) an inch and they will take a mile. We had an 8.50am start in secondary school, much beyond 11am and you're encouraging them to stay up til 3am snapchatting dickpics though.
MANY school districts already have started to implement a later start time and its been highly successful.
Its not encouraging them to do anything. Their bodies will not allow them to fall asleep at a "normal" time due to a decrease in melatonin. If melatonin is not present or is not present until a later start time, you will not fall asleep. This is a biological fact. You can't fight the natural processes of the body.
Again, many schools have already implemented this and have found great results. Do the research.
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MANY school districts already have started to implement a later start time and its been highly successful.
Can you post the links to these double blind studies and their placebos?
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Can you post the links to these double blind studies and their placebos?
Sure:
Examining the Impact of Later High School Start Times on the Health and Academic Performance of High School Students: A Multi-Site Study
Final Report
February 2014
Kyla L. Wahlstrom, Ph.D.
Project Director/ Lead Investigator
Research
Research Team/Report Authors
Kyla L. Wahlstrom, PhD, Principal Investigator
Beverly J. Dretzke, PhD, Research Associate
Molly F. Gordon, PhD, Research Associate
Kristin Peterson, MA, Research Fellow
Katherine Edwards, BA, Research Assistant
Julie Gdula, MA, Research Assistant
Major findings: The results from this three-year research study, conducted with over 9,000 students in eight public high schools in three states, reveal that high schools that start at 8:30 AM or later allow for more than 60% of students to obtain at least eight hours of sleep per school night. Teens getting less than eight hours of sleep reported significantly higher depression symptoms, greater use of caffeine, and are at greater risk for making poor choices for substance use. Academic performance outcomes, including grades earned in core subject areas of math, English, science and social studies, plus performance on state and national achievement tests, attendance rates and reduced tardiness show significantly positive improvement with the later start times of 8:35 AM or later. Finally, the number of car crashes for teen drivers from 16 to 18 years of age was significantly reduced by 70% when a school shifted start times from 7:35 AM to 8:55 AM.
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I have seen all that research and it completely fits - I was and still am a night owl - but you gotta suck up some shit. Give kids (esp teens) an inch and they will take a mile. We had an 8.50am start in secondary school, much beyond 11am and you're encouraging them to stay up til 3am snapchatting dickpics though.
Who said anything about an 11am start time?
Look above. School start time went from 7:35 to 8:55, and they found a difference.
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Who said anything about an 11am start time, dingus?
Look above. School start time went from 7:35 to 8:55, and they found a difference.
The 8.55am study was posted after I posted dickbreath.
You look slightly higher above.
Like I said, we had 8.50am start time which was reasonable, I can see anything up to 10am as reasonable. Beyond that and you give too much leeway for hijinx. It was a cu nt for me adapting back to school routine after summer or Christmas holidays cos of being a night owl but it is what it is. I have to be up early for a big pay day tomorrow morning and it is 2am here... can't sleep so why try.
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Sure:
Examining the Impact of Later High School Start Times on the Health and Academic Performance of High School Students: A Multi-Site Study
Final Report
February 2014
Kyla L. Wahlstrom, Ph.D.
Project Director/ Lead Investigator
Research
Research Team/Report Authors
Kyla L. Wahlstrom, PhD, Principal Investigator
Beverly J. Dretzke, PhD, Research Associate
Molly F. Gordon, PhD, Research Associate
Kristin Peterson, MA, Research Fellow
Katherine Edwards, BA, Research Assistant
Julie Gdula, MA, Research Assistant
Major findings: The results from this three-year research study, conducted with over 9,000 students in eight public high schools in three states, reveal that high schools that start at 8:30 AM or later allow for more than 60% of students to obtain at least eight hours of sleep per school night. Teens getting less than eight hours of sleep reported significantly higher depression symptoms, greater use of caffeine, and are at greater risk for making poor choices for substance use. Academic performance outcomes, including grades earned in core subject areas of math, English, science and social studies, plus performance on state and national achievement tests, attendance rates and reduced tardiness show significantly positive improvement with the later start times of 8:35 AM or later. Finally, the number of car crashes for teen drivers from 16 to 18 years of age was significantly reduced by 70% when a school shifted start times from 7:35 AM to 8:55 AM.
Sounds to me like parents need to put their kids to bed earlier.
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Sounds to me like parents need to put their kids to bed earlier.
8.50am start, like I had, means 11pm bed gives you 8 hours to 7.am or so. That is/was fair enough given good TV is on late. Kids now have smartphones, teh broadbands and teh internets no fuck knows how late they are up liking people's photos, sending snapchats and sharing selfies while watching porn and execution videos.
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Sounds to me like parents need to put their kids to bed earlier.
lol at trying to put a 16-17 year old teen to bed early.
Maybe they should also read them a bedtime story and give them a bottle of milk. :D :D
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8.50am start, like I had, means 11pm bed gives you 8 hours to 7.am or so. That is/was fair enough given good TV is on late. Kids now have smartphones, teh broadbands and teh internets no fuck knows how late they are up liking people's photos, sending snapchats and sharing selfies while watching porn and execution videos.
During my teenage years I did not have smartphones, internet, cell phones, and I was not going to bed between 10-11. None of my friends were either.
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The 8.55am study was posted after I posted dickbreath.
You look slightly higher above.
Like I said, we had 8.50am start time which was reasonable, I can see anything up to 10am as reasonable. Beyond that and you give too much leeway for hijinx. It was a cu nt for me adapting back to school routine after summer or Christmas holidays cos of being a night owl but it is what it is. I have to be up early for a big pay day tomorrow morning and it is 2am here... can't sleep so why try.
You stated, "I have seen all that research and it completely fits - I was and still am a night owl."
So, you agree that melatonin decreases in the teenage years, thus making it much more difficult for teens to go to sleep, independent of smartphones, tablets, and internet. And you're still arguing lol. You can't go to sleep if melatonin is not present. Its a biological fact.
But I do agree that artificial light may make them go to bed much later, than if they didn't have this; however, they would still be going to bed much later. It poses a problem when some school starts at 7:15am.
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You stated, "I have seen all that research and it completely fits - I was and still am a night owl."
So, you agree that melatonin decreases in the teenage years, thus making it much more difficult for teens to go to sleep, independent of smartphones, tablets, and internet. And you're still arguing lol. You can't go to sleep if melatonin is not present. Its a biological fact.
But I do agree that artificial light may make them go to bed much later, than if they didn't have this; however, they would still be going to bed much later. It poses a problem when some school starts at 7:15am.
OK, let me state it thusly:
I am a night owl, and especially as a teen I was. However, our start times were 8.50am... I remember trying to wake at 5am to run for a while and I could not adjust my night routine no matter how I tried (felt like shit all day, dozy and took way less info in). 7am ish awakening meant anywhere from 6-8 hours was possible and enough (I lived 5 - 10 mins from school).
It pisses me off no end that melatonin as a supplement has been banned OTC here. No fuck ing reason except maybe to protect sales of ambien. Totally unfounded.
As for distractions, come on - they have to be a big part now, esp given the blue light of screens and LED lighting. That is completely contrary to sleeping seeing light that imitates daylight.
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OK, let me state it thusly:
I am a night owl, and especially as a teen I was. However, our start times were 8.50am... I remember trying to wake at 5am to run for a while and I could not adjust my night routine no matter how I tried (felt like shit all day, dozy and took way less info in). 7am ish awakening meant anywhere from 6-8 hours was possible and enough (I lived 5 - 10 mins from school).
It pisses me off no end that melatonin as a supplement has been banned OTC here. No fuck ing reason except maybe to protect sales of ambien. Totally unfounded.
As for distractions, come on - they have to be a big part now, esp given the blue light of screens and LED lighting. That is completely contrary to sleeping seeing light that imitates daylight.
Take into consideration that many high school students in major cities take the bus and train to school. So, if you start at 7:35am, you have to be up by 5:00am. And if you go to bed between 11-12, thats 5-6 hours of sleep, assuming you sleep through the WHOLE night--many people do not. For many students, there schools are not across the street. I had to take a 15 minute bus ride to school on the NYC bus, and that was considered close.
Yes, artificial light is distracting, no doubt about that. However, a 7:35 start time is too early. Again, youre not taken into consideration getting up, brushing teeth, eating breakfast, then driving or taking transportation to school. Some of these kids then have to be up at 5:00am, perhaps earlier. Its okay if school starts at 7:30am and you live right across the street. For many, that is not the case.
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Can you post the links to these double blind studies and their placebos?
I read on the getbigs that no high schools or universities ever use study findings to help influence their policy.
Not one. Ever.
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lol at trying to put a 16-17 year old teen to bed early.
Maybe they should also read them a bedtime story and give them a bottle of milk. :D :D
Worked for your parents. :-*
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Worked for your parents. :-*
lolz. My favorite story at 17 years old was "The Three Bears."
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lolz. My favorite story at 17 years old was "The Three Bears."
Mine was Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. ;D
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Take into consideration that many high school students in major cities take the bus and train to school. So, if you start at 7:35am, you have to be up by 5:00am. And if you go to bed between 11-12, thats 5-6 hours of sleep, assuming you sleep through the WHOLE night--many people do not. For many students, there schools are not across the street. I had to take a 15 minute bus ride to school on the NYC bus, and that was considered close.
Yes, artificial light is distracting, no doubt about that. However, a 7:35 start time is too early. Again, youre not taken into consideration getting up, brushing teeth, eating breakfast, then driving or taking transportation to school. Some of these kids then have to be up at 5:00am, perhaps earlier. Its okay if school starts at 7:30am and you live right across the street. For many, that is not the case.
Hey i was basing my original statement on when i got up. Not the crazy 7am starts. My canuck cousins started school at 7am or 6.30am and i laughed at their pain.
One kid in my class had a 3-4 hour round trip to school (a friend actually) and the poor bastard also had a fear of pissing/going to toilet in public toilets so for six years he didnt piss or shit between 6am and 7pm or so 5 days a week. He was also always tired. Unsurprisingly.
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This HS has a Zero period that starts at 7 and then first period that starts at 8. Monday's are late starts and I think one or two Wednesday's out of the month are half-days for "teacher planning". Again, studies I'm sure are legit but for the sake of this thread it will never apply as long as schools are trying to build a winning sports program.
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I guess there's advantages for the students both ways. Especially if they have to work. But how do you play sports, go to school, do homework, work all at the same time. Even without the work, seems like so much to handle. No idea how they do it.
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do you think they will be mentally and physically ready at that time?
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I guess there's advantages for the students both ways. Especially if they have to work. But how do you play sports, go to school, do homework, work all at the same time. Even without the work, seems like so much to handle. No idea how they do it.
At least Coach's athletes will get roids and other stimulants, making it somewhat easier. Still, a hellish life.
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This HS has a Zero period that starts at 7 and then first period that starts at 8. Monday's are late starts and I think one or two Wednesday's out of the month are half-days for "teacher planning". Again, studies I'm sure are legit but for the sake of this thread it will never apply as long as schools are trying to build a winning sports program.
So you're saying sports are more important than education in these places?
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So you're saying sports are more important than education in these places?
Never. Not even in my gym. Like I said this schedule works better for most because when off-season practice does finally start they won't be cramming weightlifting, conditioning, practice and homework in one afternoon.
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do you think they will be mentally and physically ready at that time?
Depends on how bad they want to play. The one's that are serious will be ready, they ones that don't, won't. We're getting more and more each day. This morning we had 39 total between line and skill. I think the reason is we have a big social media following and they know of us plus I train a lot of the athletes in my own gym and they see the results.
We're starting the program with the basics just teaching body weight and empty bar lifts for the first 2-3 weeks then progress from there. I put together a VERY structured program that they never had.
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So you're saying sports are more important than education in these places?
That is one of the problems in this country. An attitude that places sports (and winning) at the expense of EVERYTHING else. Unfortunately, for many parents, sports does come first. Just think about all the crazy sport parents. I used to play organized sports. I remember parents screaming and yelling, etc. Ridiculous. A bunch of parents who are trying to live vicariously through their kids. Ruins it for the kids.
Of course winning is important, but most of these kids will never make it to the pros. Everything else should come first; sports should ALWAYS be secondary, until they make it to the college level. I have no problem with a college football player sacrificing everything to make it to the pros. Hes an adult. Its his choice. His business. But never kids.
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You're discounting the academics and dont think it a priority. It's always put above the sport or they don't play. If they want to play in college and get looks the FIRST a college coach will ask for is that athletes transcripts. No matter how good the kid is if he/she doesn't have that schools GPA requirements then they don't get accepted. Simple as that.
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You're discounting the academics and dont think it a priority. It's always put above the sport or they don't play. If they want to play in college and get looks the FIRST a college coach will ask for is that athletes transcripts. No matter how good the kid is if he/she doesn't have that schools GPA requirements then they don't get accepted. Simple as that.
Sorry, but I call bullshit on this. College sport teams have a history of doing shady things to get great sport players into their team. If there is a GREAT athlete who can possibly bring a team to a championship, I cant imagine a university not accepting them because they are 2-3 points below the schools GPA requirements. Sorry, I don't buy that for a second.
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Depends on how bad they want to play. The one's that are serious will be ready, they ones that don't, won't. We're getting more and more each day. This morning we had 39 total between line and skill. I think the reason is we have a big social media following and they know of us plus I train a lot of the athletes in my own gym and they see the results.
We're starting the program with the basics just teaching body weight and empty bar lifts for the first 2-3 weeks then progress from there. I put together a VERY structured program that they never had.
This made me laugh.
Do let them use your collection of used tires?
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This made me laugh.
Do let them use your collection of used tires?
Why do you hide from me? Serious question.
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Update from almost one year ago. There are so many in this thread that I could have quoted that were TOTALLY not just clueless (even with their "studies") but those that just flat out made asses of themselves by questioning my abilities to turn a team around.
Ended the season 4-6 (best in 14 seasons which before averaged 1-9) for varsity, 7-2 for freshman w/one tie for a total of 7-2-1
Our O-line/D-line averaged about 305lbs with our biggest being 6'51/2 330 with 3 getting D1 offers.
Offseason 7on7 we did better than we ever had and in linemen competitions where we were once never contenders all of the sudden were taking 1st and Seconds some to powerhouses.
We have always been called the smallest, weakest and slowest now we're literally the biggest and strongest and speed is matched to anyone in our league. Best of all out of 113 players from all three teams (Frosh, JV and Varsity) we only lost a total of 5-6 players for the season due to season ending collision injuries.
Unlike most high school programs our skill players gained an average of 22lbs instead of coaches running the shit out of them and breaking them down.
We just missed a wildcard to go to play offs.
Flame on..
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Why would they flame you Joe?
You seemed to have had legitimate success. What's there to flame you about?
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Why would they flame you Joe?
You seemed to have had legitimate success. What's there to flame you about?
Look at the past posts.
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Im up at 3:30 each morning, at the gym by 5 AM... Old guy hours...
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Update from almost one year ago. There are so many in this thread that I could have quoted that were TOTALLY not just clueless (even with their "studies") but those that just flat out made asses of themselves by questioning my abilities to turn a team around.
Ended the season 4-6 (best in 14 seasons which before averaged 1-9) for varsity, 7-2 for freshman w/one tie for a total of 7-2-1
Our O-line/D-line averaged about 305lbs with our biggest being 6'51/2 330 with 3 getting D1 offers.
Offseason 7on7 we did better than we ever had and in linemen competitions where we were once never contenders all of the sudden were taking 1st and Seconds some to powerhouses.
We have always been called the smallest, weakest and slowest now we're literally the biggest and strongest and speed is matched to anyone in our league. Best of all out of 113 players from all three teams (Frosh, JV and Varsity) we only lost a total of 5-6 players for the season due to season ending collision injuries.
Unlike most high school programs our skill players gained an average of 22lbs instead of coaches running the shit out of them and breaking them down.
We just missed a wildcard to go to play offs.
Flame on..
Average gain 22 lbs of fat it sounds like. Whats the average blood pressure?
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Average gain 22 lbs of fat it sounds like. Whats the average blood pressure?
The fact that I own your mind pleases me.
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Im up at 3:30 each morning, at the gym by 5 AM... Old guy hours...
Q: What time do you (ideally) need to go to bed to be able to keep that up..? Are you one of those lucky people that only seem to need 4 or 5 hours sleep? If so then #envious...
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Q: What time do you (ideally) need to go to bed to be able to keep that up..? Are you one of those lucky people that only seem to need 4 or 5 hours sleep? If so then #envious...
Terrible sleep problem, for a long time. I take pills to fall asleep by 9 PM, so 6.5 hours of chemical sleep is fine. (I wake up hourly though).