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Title: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on May 12, 2016, 10:31:22 AM
Is he hiding something?

Mitt Romney: It's 'Disqualifying' for Trump Not to Release Tax Returns
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Image: Mitt Romney: It's 'Disqualifying' for Trump Not to Release Tax Returns
Wednesday, 11 May 2016

Former U.S. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Wednesday criticized Donald Trump for declining to release his tax returns, saying the only explanation was that the documents contained a "bombshell" about the real estate mogul.

"It is disqualifying for a modern-day presidential nominee to refuse to release tax returns to the voters," Romney said in a Facebook post about Trump, who became the likely Republican nominee when his rivals dropped out last week.

"There is only one logical explanation for Mr. Trump's refusal to release his returns: there is a bombshell in them," Romney said. "Given Mr. Trump's equanimity with other flaws in his history, we can only assume it's a bombshell of unusual size."

Trump has said that he will make public his tax returns on the completion of an audit.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/mitt-romney-disqualifying-trump/2016/05/11/id/728380/#ixzz48SoWroXo
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: 240 is Back on May 12, 2016, 10:51:42 AM
trump isn't worth ten billion, and he claimed.
and he probably paid little to no taxes, as do most very rich people.

Being worth 1.2 billion doesn't suck.  But it ain't $10B.   He attributes much of his worth to his "name value", which is nice, but if he actually earned $150 mil last year, it's a little embarrassing.  Bragging as much as he does, it'll be a little tough on him to show he didn't raise his worth from 8 to 10 billion last year, as he claimed.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on May 13, 2016, 10:17:36 AM
Donald Trump handed over tax returns in casino bids
By Eric Bradner, CNN
May 11, 2016

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump insists he won't release his tax returns during his 2016 presidential run because those returns are the subject of ongoing Internal Revenue Service audits.

When he's had casinos on the line, it's been a different story.

Trump has handed over tax returns in the midst of audits before -- to state gambling officials in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, as part of the process of seeking casino licenses in those states.

The returns haven't been publicly accessible, but they were used by the state investigators who reviewed those applications.

In Pennsylvania, Trump's attorneys included tax returns from 2000 through 2004 in a set of documents that the state's Gaming Control Board stamped as "received" on February 9, 2006.

It came as Trump attempted to build a casino in Philadelphia -- a project that state officials ultimately rejected amid fears he'd use it to lure gamblers across state lines to his properties in Atlantic City, New Jersey, where the tax rate is lower.

He was required to turn over tax returns in New Jersey, as well, where state law requires five years' worth of tax returns from casino license applicants. A spokesman for the New Jersey Casino Control Commission confirmed that Trump's tax returns were mandatory, but said they'd only have been made public if they were introduced as evidence in court proceedings over casino licenses -- which didn't happen in Trump's case.

At least some of the federal and state tax returns he gave Pennsylvania were the subject of ongoing audits at the time. Trump in March released a letter from his attorneys saying that every tax return he's filed since 2002 was audited, and the returns for 2009 and every year since are still the subject of ongoing audits.

Asked why Trump would share returns that were the subject of ongoing audits with state casino licensing officials, but won't release his tax returns now, spokeswoman Hope Hicks would only say in an email Wednesday: "Mr. Trump has always said that when the routine audit is complete he would release his tax returns."

Increasingly, the presumptive Republican nominee is under pressure to release his returns.

Last year, Trump had said he'd release his tax returns. But he has since backed off that pledge, citing ongoing audits and saying he'll offer his returns as soon as those audits are closed.

He told The Associated Press in an interview Tuesday that "there's nothing to learn from them," noting that he has offered a financial disclosure detailing his personal wealth. After the AP reported that Trump would release his tax returns after the election, he took to Twitter to once again point to the end of the audits as the date he'd share them.

Hillary Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, laid into Trump during an event in Camden County, New Jersey, on Wednesday, after a man in the audience raised the issue.
"When you run for president, especially when you become the nominee, that is kind of expected," Clinton said. "My husband and I have released 33 years of tax returns -- we've got eight years on our website right now. So you have got to ask yourself, why does he not release them?"

The pro-Clinton group American Bridge on Wednesday launched a new website, TrumpReleaseYourReturns. com, calling on Trump to do just that.

"Voters deserve to know whether or not Trump pays his fair share in taxes, for example, or if he's too cheap to give to charitable causes," said American Bridge President Jessica Mackler.

Mitt Romney, the 2012 GOP nominee and a fierce Trump critic, reiterated his own call for Trump to release his tax returns in a Facebook post Wednesday afternoon.

"It is disqualifying for a modern-day presidential nominee to refuse to release tax returns to the voters, especially one who has not been subject to public scrutiny in either military or public service," Romney said. "Tax returns provide the public with its sole confirmation of the veracity of a candidate's representations regarding charities, priorities, wealth, tax conformance, and conflicts of interest."

Other presidential candidates have released their tax returns amid audits, too. In 1973, President Richard Nixon publicly released his returns while they were under audit.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/11/politics/donald-trump-casino-licenses-tax-returns/index.html
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: 240 is Back on May 13, 2016, 10:30:43 AM
Ben Carson was using the defense "trump already handed over his financials, which are way more detailed"

however, in those financials, Trump estimated his "name" value to be worth billions.  Entirely made up document, no evidence, just a braggadocio claim of ten billion dollars.  He claimed 8 billion earler, so that was quite a jump.

The real story is probably that trump claimed big losses, didn't pay much in taxes (which is fine - although he did say he wants to make the rich pay more).   He probably doesn't want the world knowing he took a loss or isn't really worth ten billion.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on May 16, 2016, 09:51:22 AM
Trump: My Tax Rate Is 'None of Your Business'
Friday, 13 May 2016

U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump pushed back on Friday against renewed calls for him to release his tax returns before the election, saying the rate that he pays is "none of your business."

Trump, who has all but locked up the Republican Party's nomination for the Nov. 8 presidential election, has said the Internal Revenue Service is auditing his returns and he wants to wait until the review is over before making them public.

"It should be and I hope it's before the election," Trump told ABC's "Good Morning America."

Trump, a billionaire real estate developer who has boasted of his wealth during the campaign, was asked why he had been willing in the past to release his taxes to Pennsylvania and New Jersey officials when seeking casino licenses, even though he was being audited by the IRS.

"At the time it didn't make any difference to me. Now it does," Trump said.

Pressed on what tax rate he pays, Trump refused to say.

"It's none of your business," he said. "Before 1976, people didn't do it. It used to be a secret thing," he added.

U.S. presidential nominees have voluntarily released their tax returns for decades.

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton and her rival, Bernie Sanders, have both released their returns. Clinton began calling this week on Trump to do the same. Sanders released his 2014 return in April, while former first lady Clinton posted the past eight years of her and her husband's tax returns on her website in August.

Trump has said there is nothing voters can learn from his tax filing. Tax filings show sources of income, both from within the United States and other countries, as well as charitable giving, investments, deductions and other financial information.

Trump said his company was "clean."

"I don't have Swiss bank accounts, I don't have offshore accounts," he said.

The 2012 Republican presidential nominee, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, has been scathing in his criticism of Trump and said this week it was "disqualifying" for a nominee to refuse to make his tax returns public.

"There is only one logical explanation for Mr. Trump's refusal to release his returns: there is a bombshell in them," Romney said in a Facebook post on Wednesday.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/US-GOP-2016-Trump-Taxes/2016/05/13/id/728655/#ixzz48q2gdNAj
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: 240 is Back on May 16, 2016, 09:54:24 AM
Donald Trump on Mitt Romney’s Tax Returns in 2012: ‘Better off Just to Release Them Now’

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/13/donald-trump-mitt-romneys-tax-returns-2012-better-off-just-release-now/
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on May 19, 2016, 09:47:13 AM
Trump wants to see VP's tax returns, but won't share his
By Theodore Schleifer and Jim Acosta, CNN
Thu May 19, 2016

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump is asking vice presidential hopefuls for their tax returns -- even though he is not yet releasing his.

It is standard practice for potential vice presidential picks to submit detailed financial paperwork, including tax returns, to the person who could choose them to serve as their No. 2 in the White House. But it would be unprecedented in modern times for that vice president to be the only one on the ticket who has disclosed theirs.

A Trump adviser confirmed Wednesday that presumptive Republican presidential nominee will require the men and women he is considering for his vice president to submit them to his vetting team. The VP nominees' records wouldn't be made public. Trump, meanwhile, has said he will only release his when his routine audits come to a close -- something he admits could come after Election Day.

Trump's resistance to publicly releasing his tax documents leaves major questions for voters weighing a candidate whose campaign is staked on his business acumen and the fact that he says he is "very, very rich" -- and would mark a major break with decades of precedent set by the nominees of the two major political parties.

Trump has maintained that there is little that people could learn from his returns. He has said that "I fight like hell not to pay" much in taxes, but he has declined to release the rate in advance.

"None of your business," he told ABC's George Stephanopoulos earlier this month.

That has been fodder for Hillary Clinton, whose aides have wondered aloud about what could be in the returns.

"Because when you run for president, especially when you become the nominee that is kind of expected," Clinton said in New Jersey last week. "My husband and I have released 33 years of tax returns, we've got eight years on our website right now. So you have got to ask yourself, why does he not release them?"

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/18/politics/donald-trump-tax-returns-vice-president/index.html
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on May 23, 2016, 03:18:27 PM
Washington Post-ABC News poll May 16-19, 2016

Q: All major presidential candidates in the last 40 years have publicly released their tax returns before the election. Trump has said he may not do this. Do you think Trump should release his tax returns before the November election?

Results by Registered voters

•Yes: 64 percent.
•No: 31 percent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/05/22/National-Politics/Polling/question_16345.xml?uuid=I5gjGh_SEeaCwqfcsxMofQ&tid=a_inl#
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: 240 is Back on May 23, 2016, 04:36:32 PM
trump is everything the idiot american people want.   He's loud, rude, trashy.  He's a walking freaking clickbait candidate.

60% of the nation gets their only daily news from whatever facebook puts in their morning lineup.   Realize that.



Trump is an idiot, for idiots.  He said Mitt should release them.  But he doesn't have to.  ANd really, he could sodomize a baby seal and people would vote for him because "he's not hilary..."    Idiots all around.  I will mock them daily on getbig every damn time Pres. Trump does something idiotic and liberal.  I'll bump every quote, every time... cause maybe in 2020, they'll decide voting clickbait isn't wise.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on May 24, 2016, 11:28:55 AM
Corey Lewandowski: Trump Worth $10B, Will Release Tax Returns After Audit
By Mark Swanson   |   Tuesday, 24 May 2016

Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski made an appearance on "CBS This Morning" on Tuesday to reaffirm the presumptive GOP nominee's net worth, and to again address the issue of releasing tax returns.

Lewandowski reiterated that Trump is worth $10 billion and that the real estate mogul will release his returns when the IRS has finished with its audit.

However, the show's hosts zeroed in on a Forbes magazine report in 2015 that estimated Trump's worth to be $125 million and said releasing the tax returns would clear it up. 

"Your tax returns on a yearly basis don't tell you what your worth, what they show is what your income is," Lewandowski said. "And Mr. Trump has already showed what his income is — $557 million last year. He has a massive cash flow. Very, very little debt. … He's worth $10 billion."

When pressed about the issue of transparency and that the IRS has said Trump may release the returns before the audit is finished, Lewandowski defended Trump's position.

"The difference is when you release them, and the IRS has the ability to scrutinize them and everybody else has the ability to scrutinize, you don't know if they're going to change or not," Lewandowski said.

"So let the IRS finish their work and as soon as that's done, he's going to release those tax returns."

Lewandowski even pressed the show's hosts to put pressure on the IRS. "If you can get the IRS to move forward, you're better than I am," Lewandowski joked.

"You can go get it done," Lewandowski urged. "You guys are the investigative journalists. Get the IRS to finish the work. Get it done then Mr. Trump will release those returns."

Lewandowski also said that all monies raised for veterans at a January event in Iowa will be distributed before Memorial Day.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Corey-Lewandowski-Trump-Worth-Tax-Returns-Release/2016/05/24/id/730402/#ixzz49bDQ7rjz
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: 240 is Back on May 24, 2016, 12:44:21 PM
Corey Lewandowski: Trump Worth $10B, Will Release Tax Returns After Audit

it's a perpetual audit that will not end, so we'll never see the results.

more and more financial analysts are pointing out the particular filings trump used aren't in line with the wealth claims he's making.

Trump exaggerates how great everything else is, why wouldn't it be the same with his fortune?
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on May 25, 2016, 09:30:56 AM
Senator Trolls Trump With Bill Requiring Presidential Nominees To Release Tax Returns
“Tax returns deliver honest answers to key questions from the American public,” says Sen. Ron Wyden.
05/25/2016
Igor Bobic
Associate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post
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MIKE THEILER / REUTERS
Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) wants to legally require presidential nominees to release their tax returns.

WASHINGTON — Though every major party nominee since 1976 has released his tax returns while running for president, the practice has never been required by law. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) wants to change that.

The senior Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, which handles tax issues, introduced a bill on Wednesday that would force presidential candidates to release their most recent tax returns. The Presidential Tax Transparency Act, as the bill is called, would require candidates to make their latest three years of tax returns public no later than 15 days after becoming the nominee. If they do not comply, the treasury secretary would be directed to do so for them, provided the appropriate redaction of sensitive personal information.

“Since the days of Watergate, the American people have had an expectation that nominees to be the leader of the free world not hide their finances and personal tax returns,” Wyden said in a statement.

“Tax returns deliver honest answers to key questions from the American public,” he added. “Do you even pay taxes? Do you give to charity? Are you abusing tax loopholes at the expense of middle class families? Are you keeping your money offshore? People have a right to know.”

Only one major party presidential candidate is refusing to release any of his tax returns to the public right now, and his name is Donald Trump. The presumptive GOP nominee has said he cannot release his returns because they are currently under audit by the Internal Revenue Service. The IRS, however, has clarified there is nothing legally preventing someone from making a return public while it’s under audit.

Trump’s campaign has argued that Americans simply aren’t interested in the Manhattan real estate mogul’s tax returns. Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager, on Tuesday even claimed that there is “nothing to learn” from them.

“I strongly disagree with that,” Wyden told The Huffington Post on a Wednesday call with reporters. “For literally four decades now, Democrats, Republican, candidates regardless of party have made this information available.”

Indeed, there is evidence that refusing to release any returns may hurt Trump in the general election. According to a Morning Consult survey released Tuesday, 67 percent of registered voters — including 60 percent of Republicans — said presidential candidates should release their tax returns.

Senate Democrats have stirred the pot on the issue of tax returns before. During the 2012 election, then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) infamously claimed that Mitt Romney paid no taxes, upping the pressure on the Republican standard-bearer to release his tax returns. When he finally did so, they showed he paid a low 14 percent tax rate in 2011.

Asked on the call whether he had any communication with the campaign of Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton, Wyden said only that he had not spoken to the former secretary of state.

It is questionable how far such a bill would go in a Republican-controlled Senate that is slowly coming around to supporting their nominee. But Wyden said he would try to round up GOP co-sponsors anyway, feeling encouraged by recent comments by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who said that “most candidates” have released returns under a long-standing “tradition.”

Wyden also batted down a question about whether his bill, which would force nominees to release private information, conflicted with his strong stance in support of privacy. The senator from Oregon has been a vocal critic of government surveillance programs, such as those revealed by National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden.

He noted that nominees seeking confirmation before the Senate Finance Committee, for example, must also submit such personal information.

“If somehow we’re breaking a tradition here as presidential nominees by making this information available, we’re saying the commander in chief is held to a standard lower than an assistant secretary,” he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ron-wyden-donald-trump-tax-returns_us_5745af8ee4b055bb1170be9c
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on May 31, 2016, 10:36:29 AM
Shady accounting underpins Trump’s wealth
The GOP nominee is rich. But how rich depends on odd accounting and subjective criteria.
By Ben White
05/31/16

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-money-net-worth-223662#ixzz4AFw3gnVb
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: 240 is Back on May 31, 2016, 11:09:25 AM
Shady accounting underpins Trump’s wealth
The GOP nominee is rich. But how rich depends on odd accounting and subjective criteria.
By Ben White
05/31/16

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-money-net-worth-223662#ixzz4AFw3gnVb


he's not worth as much as he claimed.  And his claim of "I went form 8 bil to 10 bil in the past year" are nothing more than him just valuing his own name, and growing it by a lot. 

Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: James on May 31, 2016, 11:13:19 AM
Fact: You are either going to live in Trump town or Hillary town, that's the 2 choices. You can protest all you want, but that doesn't accomplish anything but help elect Hillary in the end and get you moved to Hillary Town.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: 240 is Back on May 31, 2016, 11:31:29 AM
Fact: You are either going to live in Trump town or Hillary town, that's the 2 choices. You can protest all you want, but that doesn't accomplish anything but help elect Hillary in the end and get you moved to Hillary Town.

this kind of thinking is what has led us to this 2-party bullshit, where we're choosing between Dem (hilary) and Dem/mexican hater (Trump).    They're both inconsistent flakes with strong liberal backgrounds who tell a lot of lies daily, and yes, they both do.

Maybe we just wait a month or 3... see how johnson does in the polls, see how he does in the debate.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: jjbones on May 31, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
Trump should hold back his tax returns until we all get a peek at the Clinton Initiative books ... that would be an interesting read. 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on August 01, 2016, 04:22:07 PM
Buffett Challenges Trump to Exchange Tax Returns, Answer Questions
Monday, 01 Aug 2016

U.S. investor Warren Buffett, speaking at a campaign rally for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, challenged Republican Donald Trump on Monday to release his tax returns.

Trump has said he would not release his returns until the Internal Revenue Service has completed an audit.

"Now I've got news for him, I'm under audit too and I would be delighted to meet him anyplace, anytime, before the election," said Buffett, the chief executive officer of Berkshire Hathaway. "I'll bring my tax return, he can bring his tax return ... and let people ask us questions about the items that are on there."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/warren-buffett-trump-tax/2016/08/01/id/741635/#ixzz4G7rceGuS
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: 240 is Back on August 01, 2016, 04:23:54 PM
Trump's tax returns just might show millions of $ coming from russian lenders.

given his propensity to kneepad Putin and ditch NATO and force gOP to adopt a pro-russian stance against Ukraine, people may not be happy.

Toss in the fact he'll deny everything about russia EXCEPT borrowing money from them ;)
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on August 01, 2016, 04:28:27 PM
Donald Trump Ducks Tax Disclosure
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
AUG. 1, 2016
 
As Donald Trump’s tweets pile one atop another, generating sensational headlines, issues of true substance are tending to get lost in the shuffle. None is more important for voters to keep in mind than the failure of Mr. Trump to disclose his full income tax returns, something he is not likely to do by Election Day.

He is the first major party candidate since 1976 — since Watergate, essentially — to deny voters that vital measure of credibility. It is not required by law that candidates furnish their returns. But Americans have come to expect it.

The interest in Mr. Trump’s case is particularly high. He is running for the White House partly as a business wizard, but is he really as rich and talented as he boasts? Is he as philanthropic as he claims with his reputed billions? Has he truly no conflicts of interest in Russia, whose computer hackers he has bizarrely invited to spy on Hillary Clinton, his campaign rival?

These questions are of Mr. Trump’s own making, and a timely release of his tax returns would provide some answers. “There’s nothing to learn from them,” he tried to insist in May, arguing that he would not make the returns public until after an Internal Revenue Service audit is complete.

But the I.R.S. says Mr. Trump is free to release the returns at any time and to defend their accuracy, just as President Richard Nixon did while he was undergoing an audit. In the past, Mr. Trump has not hesitated to attack the I.R.S. as “very unfair,” but now he stands before the voters using the agency as a shield against disclosure.

We can only imagine how livid the Trump tweets would be if Mrs. Clinton were failing to meet this standard of campaign transparency. She has posted eight years of tax returns on her campaign website for all to see.

Mr. Trump’s contention that there’s nothing to learn from his tax returns should be a red alert to voters. Four years ago, Mitt Romney, the Republican nominee, resisted disclosure, and Mr. Trump was among those pressing him to release his returns. When Mr. Romney finally complied, voters were surprised to discover that his effective tax rate was 14 percent — well below the official 35 percent rate for those in his top bracket. When asked about his own tax rate, Mr. Trump snapped: “None of your business.”

Appearing last week on Fox TV, Mr. Trump looked back and rued the Romney disclosure, declaring, “He might have lost the election over that.” Might Mr. Trump be worried about how his own returns would look to voters? He brags that he aims to pay as little in taxes as possible under the law, which probably means claiming tax breaks that ordinary voters do not exercise. In 1981, a report by New Jersey gambling regulators showed Mr. Trump had not paid any taxes for two years in the 1970s because he could report negative income as a developer.

Every weekday, get thought-provoking commentary from Op-Ed columnists, The Times editorial board and contributing writers from around the world.
   
The voters deserve to know what Mr. Trump is hiding, particularly considering his history of bankruptcies, the government investigations of Trump University and other dodgy parts of his branded universe. As the campaign rolls toward the fall, pressure will grow on Mr. Trump to be far more transparent than he has been. Responding with another pithy tweet won’t do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/opinion/donald-trump-ducks-tax-disclosure.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 03, 2016, 09:49:54 AM
He's obviously hiding something, but if he reduced his tax burden to zero he should get a medal. 

NY Times: Trump May Not Have Paid Taxes for 2 Decades
By Todd Beamon   |   Sunday, 02 Oct 2016

Donald Trump may have legally avoided paying federal income taxes for as long as 18 years because of a $916 million loss he declared on his 1995 tax returns from his failed business dealings, The New York Times reports.

"He has a vast benefit from his destruction" in the early 1990s, Joel Rosenfeld, an assistant real estate professor at New York University, told the Times.

He said that he would offer this advice to a client with a return like Trump's from that year: "Do you realize you can create $916 million in income without paying a nickel in taxes?"

Rosenfeld was one of several tax experts the newspaper hired to review three pages of the Republican nominee's returns that the Times said had been mailed to a reporter last month.

The information has never been disclosed publicly.

Trump, who has steadily refused to release his taxes pending the completion of an IRS audit, declined to comment on the report.

But the Trump campaign slammed the publication of the three pages from the nominee's returns — andTrump's lawyer accused the Times of breaking the law because his client did not authorize publication of such information.

And early Sunday, Trump tweeted that he knows "our complex tax laws better than anyone..."

Clinton's campaign manager, Robby Mook, used the Times story to needle Trump about not releasing his tax returns and contending during his first debate with Clinton that not paying federal income taxes would show he was "smart."

Mook said in a statement that Trump apparently avoided paying taxes for two decades "while tens of millions of working families paid theirs. He calls that 'smart.'" Mook added: "Now that the gig is up, why doesn't he go ahead and release his returns to show us all how 'smart' he really is?"

According to the report, Trump's 1995 tax records "reveal the extraordinary tax benefits" that the nominee "derived from the financial wreckage he left behind in the early 1990s."

These include his three bankrupt Atlantic City casinos, the failed Trump Shuttle airline and his "ill-timed" purchase of the Plaza Hotel in New York City in 1988 for $407.5 million, the Times reports.

The experts said that regulations giving special advantages to wealthy filers would have allowed Trump to use the $916 million loss in 1995 to cancel out more than $50 million in taxable income over the next 18 years.

The report also cautioned that Trump's "taxable income in subsequent years is as yet unknown."

"Mr. Trump is a highly-skilled businessman who has a fiduciary responsibility to his business, his family and his employees to pay no more tax than legally required," the campaign said in a statement.

"That being said, Mr. Trump has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in property taxes, sales and excise taxes, real estate taxes, city taxes, state taxes, employee taxes and federal taxes.

"Mr. Trump knows the tax code far better than anyone who has ever run for president and he is the only one that knows how to fix it," the statement continued.

"The only news here is that the more than 20-year-old alleged tax document was illegally obtained."

Marc Kasowitz, a Trump lawyer, told the Times in an emailed letter that publishing the tax records was illegal and threatened "prompt initiation of appropriate legal action."

The report comes after Trump retorted "that makes me smart" when Democrat Hillary Clinton attacked him during Monday's debate, saying he has not paid federal income taxes.

Despite the huge loss, however, nothing in the 1995 returns suggested wrongdoing by the nominee, the experts told the Times, though the amount could have prompted scrutiny from the Internal Revenue Service.

"The IRS, when they see a negative $916 million, that has to pop out," Rosenfeld said.

Since 1976, every major party presidential nominee has released tax returns. Clinton has publicly released nearly 40 years' worth, and Trump's running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, has released 10 years of his tax returns.

But after initially saying that he would make his returns public during the course of his campaign, Trump switched course, citing what he said were years of ongoing IRS audits and the advice of his attorneys to keep them private as those audits proceed.

Former IRS officials have expressed skepticism that anyone would be audited so frequently, and they and other tax experts say there's no prohibition on Trump releasing his returns even if he is.

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Trump-taxes-paid-New-York-Times/2016/10/01/id/751224/#ixzz4M2deKdVd
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 03, 2016, 09:51:18 AM
Hillary Clinton Avoided Taxes the Same Way Trump Did
by PATRICK HOWLEY
2 Oct 2016

Hillary Clinton used the same exact method as Donald Trump to pay less tax, according to her own tax returns released by her presidential campaign.
Donald Trump reportedly avoided paying federal income taxes by reporting massive losses on his 1995 tax return, which the New York Times somehow obtained before Trump himself released it.

The Wall Street Journal describes the loophole that Trump used:

The tax treatment of losses, bound to become a subject of national debate, is a typically noncontroversial feature of the income-tax system. The government doesn’t pay net refunds when business owners lose money, but it lets taxpayers use those losses to smooth their tax payments as they make money. That reflects the fact that “the natural business cycle of a taxpayer may exceed 12 months,” according to a congressional report.

Typically, for federal returns, such net operating losses can be carried backward for two years to offset past income and then kept on a taxpayer’s books for 20 years, though Mr. Trump’s losses could only qualify for a 15-year carryforward under the law at the time.

The Clinton campaign has hammered Trump on his unreleased tax returns. When pundits on cable news now refer to the “Taxes” issue, they’re usually talking about Trump’s personal “taxes” issue, not the taxes paid by American voters.

But the Zerohedge blog first noticed something that could undercut Clinton’s ability to hit Trump on his “net operating losses.”

Clinton’s 2015 tax returns reveal that Hillary Clinton also reported capital gains losses in order to lessen her tax burden through a “carryover.”

Page 17 of the tax returns show “Capital Gains and Losses” for “WILLIAM J CLINTON & HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.”

The Clintons reported a “Long-term capital loss carryover” of $699,540.

Thus, the Clintons reported a “Net long-term capital gain or (loss)” of “-699,540.”

Clinton campaign spokesman Nick Merrill did not immediately return Breitbart News’s request for comment.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/02/hillary-clinton-avoided-taxes-way-trump/
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 05, 2016, 12:12:30 PM
Trump Likely to File, Release 2015 Taxes This Month
By Theodore Bunker   |    Wednesday, 05 Oct 2016

After the first presidential debate with Hillary Clinton, Trump said his "current returns will be released as soon as they're complete."

Last year Trump filed his taxes on October 15, presumably after receiving a six-month extension from the IRS. If he used an extension this year, he's due to file his taxes on October 17, according to The Wall Street Journal.

On Saturday The New York Times published a report that Trump could have legally avoided taxes for 18 years after declaring an almost $1 billion loss in 1995.

If Trump were to release his 2015 return, it could work in his favor. He could file a "politically palatable" statement, in the Journal's words, similarly to former GOP candidate Mitt Romney.

In 2012, Romney released his 2011 tax return in September, a move Trump criticized as coming too close to the election. He chose not to deduct almost $2 million in charitable donations in order to pay an effective tax rate of 13 percent, which he'd promised he would.
 
Even if Trump does choose not to take deductions as Romney did, he would still have the opportunity to amend his return long after the election is over, up to three years from now.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-file-release-taxes/2016/10/05/id/751822/#ixzz4MEuc6O18
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 05, 2016, 01:24:32 PM
Trump Likely to File, Release 2015 Taxes This Month
By Theodore Bunker   |    Wednesday, 05 Oct 2016

After the first presidential debate with Hillary Clinton, Trump said his "current returns will be released as soon as they're complete."

Last year Trump filed his taxes on October 15, presumably after receiving a six-month extension from the IRS. If he used an extension this year, he's due to file his taxes on October 17, according to The Wall Street Journal.

On Saturday The New York Times published a report that Trump could have legally avoided taxes for 18 years after declaring an almost $1 billion loss in 1995.

If Trump were to release his 2015 return, it could work in his favor. He could file a "politically palatable" statement, in the Journal's words, similarly to former GOP candidate Mitt Romney.

In 2012, Romney released his 2011 tax return in September, a move Trump criticized as coming too close to the election. He chose not to deduct almost $2 million in charitable donations in order to pay an effective tax rate of 13 percent, which he'd promised he would.
 
Even if Trump does choose not to take deductions as Romney did, he would still have the opportunity to amend his return long after the election is over, up to three years from now.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-file-release-taxes/2016/10/05/id/751822/#ixzz4MEuc6O18

Its a non issue as far as i am concerned.  If the IRS is ok with all his filings  - why arnt liberals?
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 05, 2016, 01:35:24 PM
Its a non issue as far as i am concerned.  If the IRS is ok with all his filings  - why arnt liberals?

I think he should release them, but not because of the manufactured issue about whether he paid taxes.  As I said the other day, if he reduced his tax liability to zero he should get a medal. 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: tatoo on October 05, 2016, 01:58:39 PM
not a big deal to me if he doesn't. every rich guy does it. I deduct as much as possible. who wouldn't????
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 05, 2016, 04:23:09 PM
not a big deal to me if he doesn't. every rich guy does it. I deduct as much as possible. who wouldn't????

Even the ones complaining about it wouldn't.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Yamcha on October 06, 2016, 04:24:08 AM
He paid someone a pretty penny to get his taxes to ZERO, or as close to zero as lawfully possible.

Since when has paying taxes been patriotic; especially after seeing the latest guccifer leaks & how a chunk of TARP funds to bail out the big banks went directly back to the democratic party  :'( 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 06, 2016, 06:51:58 AM
If its not illegal to withhold taxes, then i dont see the issue. So what for the last 44 years the party's nominee has done it. Trump is a Maverick. Support the troops... but not with my taxes... Just yell about how much you emotionally support them... but no substance...
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2016, 06:52:52 AM
If its not illegal to withhold taxes, then i dont see the issue. So what for the last 44 years the party's nominee has done it. Trump is a Maverick. Support the troops... but not with my taxes... Just yell about how much you emotionally support them... but no substance...

When you go to your CPA - do you tell him that you want to pay the max amount or the least amount? 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Yamcha on October 06, 2016, 06:53:23 AM
If its not illegal to withhold taxes, then i dont see the issue. So what for the last 44 years the party's nominee has done it. Trump is a Maverick. Support the troops... but not with my taxes... Just yell about how much you emotionally support them... but no substance...

So his charitable donation to veterans isn't enough? You want him to pay extra taxes?
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 06, 2016, 06:59:18 AM
So his charitable donation to veterans isn't enough? You want him to pay extra taxes?

IF the government runs on taxes...Roads, bridges, schools, public officials, LEO and military, how can you then say you support our American way of life?
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Yamcha on October 06, 2016, 07:00:06 AM
IF the government runs on taxes...Roads, bridges, schools, public officials, LEO and military, how can you then say you support our American way of life?

By giving tens of thousands of people jobs and being taxed at one of the highest business tax rates in the world.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2016, 07:01:40 AM
IF the government runs on taxes...Roads, bridges, schools, public officials, LEO and military, how can you then say you support our American way of life?

Blame the congress for the laws - not a citizen for not paying more than he is obligated to pay.  Again - at the end of the year - assuming you earn an income of course - do you pay more than you have to? 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Yamcha on October 06, 2016, 07:29:39 AM
Hey Option Dick,

"Know who isn’t a taxpayer? Bono. At least not on his earnings from U2. In his home country of Ireland, where thanks to pro-entertainer tax laws, the members of U2 pay no tax on their earnings from the band. link

To put that into perspective, In 2002, Bono’s taxes alone from the Elevation tour would have been in the neighborhood of 3.5 million dollars…that’s not even factoring in album sales. (Based on band’s earnings for tour, split 5 ways, taxed at 25%)

If, according to African relief agencies, it costs $1 a day to feed a starving person in Africa. The money Bono avoided in taxes in one year from one concert tour – no album sales or other income factored in - could feed almost 3 ˝ million starving Africans."

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Bono_U2_360_Tour_2011.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 06, 2016, 07:35:01 AM
Blame the congress for the laws - not a citizen for not paying more than he is obligated to pay.  Again - at the end of the year - assuming you earn an income of course - do you pay more than you have to? 

grow up... lets put on our big boy pants and talk like gentlemen.

Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2016, 07:37:52 AM
grow up... lets put on our big boy pants and talk like gentlemen.



I'm trolling you - you know that.  Your one of the dudes i respect on here.     ;) 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 06, 2016, 07:46:34 AM
I'm trolling you - you know that.  Your one of the dudes i respect on here.     ;) 

I pay a shit ton in taxes... i do, and im pissed when we spend it on 100 tanks the military didnt ask for. Or in LA, there have been like 40 new schools built for which i can see no discernible reason other than a dignified welfare system for government workers, no different from the DEA's "war on drugs" being nothing more than Job security for agents, jailers, DAs and judges. But i have no choice as the alternative is we pay what we feel and nothing gets done as mans inherent greed will trump all.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2016, 07:50:30 AM
I pay a shit ton in taxes... i do, and im pissed when we spend it on 100 tanks the military didnt ask for. Or in LA, there have been like 40 new schools built for which i can see no discernible reason other than a dignified welfare system for government workers, no different from the DEA's "war on drugs" being nothing more than Job security for agents, jailers, DAs and judges. But i have no choice as the alternative is we pay what we feel and nothing gets done as mans inherent greed will trump all.

Hillary and Trump are both part of the same exact system - its all about the loot.  Think about this - if you were involved w a gun dealer who trafficked illegal weapons in LA - or me in NYC - like Hillary was in Benghazi - would you be let go charges dropped like nothing? 

Or same thing for Trumps nonsense, Hillarys' foundation and email scandals.   The two of them are partners in cvrime running a hoax on us - right now its just which A-Hole you prefer pissing down your neck and telling you its holy water. 

Thats what it is.  Trump gamed the system cause he can.  The system he and Hillary helped create. 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2016, 07:58:01 AM
Trump, Taxes and Liberal Hypocrisy
Townhall.com ^ | October 6, 2016 | Larry Elder
Posted on 10/6/2016, 9:31:30 AM by Kaslin



Let's describe the relationship of the media and their Democratic cohorts to taxes and those who "don't pay them" as, well, complicated.

In 2012, ABC News' Jonathan Karl claimed on television that an auto mechanic making $75,000 a year paid a higher federal income tax rate than that paid by then-Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney. But, as I later told Karl in a radio interview, that would only be true if Mr. Auto Mechanic had no children, owned no home and therefore did not take the same deductions as those taken by Romney. In an apples-to-apples comparison, I informed him, Romney, at a 14 percent rate, pays twice the rate paid by Mr. Mechanic.

Karl said he would look into that, and get back to me. He must've used Hillary Clinton's email server, because I never heard back.

Democrat's 2004 presidential nominee, John Kerry, through marriage, is also a wealthy man. A few years ago, he bought a 76-foot yacht, but docked it in nearby Rhode Island, rather than Massachusetts where he lived and presumably used the yacht. It turns out by doing so he could avoid $500,000 in sales and excise taxes. Embarrassed by a media expose, he later paid up.

In 2001, Kerry's state of Massachusetts lowered its income tax rate. If, however, the guilty Bay State liberals wanted to pay the higher rate -- so as not to deprive schools, hospitals and all -- they could check a box and do so. Out of over 3 million tax filers, only a fraction of 1 percent (930 taxpayers) voluntarily agreed to pay the old, higher rate. Not among that fraction of 1 percent was then-Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who once said, "There are a lot of very rich people out there whom we can tax." When asked about the apparent contradiction, Frank said, "I don't trust the (Republican-led state) government to spend the money properly."

The late Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., cast many votes opposing decreases in the estate tax. But his father, Joe Kennedy, placed his family's fortune in trusts to avoid paying the very estate tax that his son later advocated during his Senate career. The late Democratic tax-the-rich Ohio Sen. Howard Metzenbaum relocated to Florida upon retirement, a move reportedly made so that upon death he would avoid state estate taxes. Based on where he was when he died, mission accomplished.

Then there are the tax-the-rich hosts at cable news channels, with the list led by MSNBC's Rev. Al Sharpton, whose endorsement was vigorously pursued by Hillary Clinton, even though she criticizes Donald Trump for having "paid nothing in federal taxes." Sharpton, according to The New York Times in 2014, owes "more than $4.5 million in current state and federal tax."

It was The New York Times that dropped the "bombshell" that for years Donald Trump "paid no federal income taxes." This would be the same New York Times that, in 2014 -- and who knows what other years -- paid zero federal income taxes.

Donald Trump is a rich businessman. Business people typically do not become rich by willingly pay more in taxes than they believe they owe. He took legal deductions, apparently using losses and his casino businesses to offset his income taxes. Perfectly legal, nothing to see here.

Trump does pay taxes -- a lot of them. He pays payroll taxes, property taxes, excise taxes, sales taxes, local taxes and whatever fees imposed by the various states in which he does business. And as for his claim that he's undergoing an audit and therefore does not want to release returns? The explanation is simple, if not clear to people who don't run a complicated business.

Trump and the IRS are very likely in disagreement over how much he owes and how the tax code should be interpreted to come up with the correct amount. Trump, who says he gets audited every year, probably has these disagreements every year. If he were to disclose his returns, and the public became aware of the amount the IRS says he owes versus the amount he thinks he does, the IRS will be publicly shamed into digging in its heels, refusing to negotiate lest they be perceived as caving in to a rich guy. In short, Trump would lose his leverage and very likely millions of dollars in taxes. What sane person does that?

Warren Buffett, who claimed he paid a lower tax rate then did his secretary, disputed what the IRS claimed one of his companies owed. Given that Buffett famously wants income taxes raised, why doesn't he simply accede to the IRS' request, pay the money voluntarily and increase the federal treasury? By the way, while we're at it, has anybody seen Buffett's returns and those of his secretary to confirm his assertion that he pays a lower tax rate than she does?

But then, neither Buffett, nor, we presume, his secretary, is a Republican. Different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2016, 09:06:16 AM
First time we've actually had a businessman and not a lifelong politician run office. That being said, since he actually earned his money his tax returns should be none of anyones business. He's never been in politics. On the other hand it only makes sense for a politician that been in a life long politician to show theirs. How does one in politics go from making a modest salary to being worth millions inside of a few years? How does Killary, that claimed to be in the red, figuring out how to pay for college, paying mortgages to being worth a over quarter of a billion? Talking about making $$ off the "little people" nothing like skimming of the tax payers.

At least Trump earned his money.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 06, 2016, 09:09:15 AM
First time we've actually had a businessman and not a lifelong politician run office. That being said, since he actually earned his money his tax returns should be none of anyones business. He's never been in politics. On the other hand it only makes sense for a politician that been in a life long politician to show theirs. How does one in politics go from making a modest salary to being worth millions inside of a few years? How does Killary, that claimed to be in the red, figuring out how to pay for college, paying mortgages to being worth a over quarter of a billion? Talking about making $$ off the "little people" nothing like skimming of the tax payers.

At least Trump earned his money.

 ;D
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 06, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
;D
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Yamcha on October 06, 2016, 09:12:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CYQKb4P.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Coach is Back! on October 06, 2016, 09:52:28 AM
;D

Am I right or wrong?
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 06, 2016, 10:46:03 AM
If its not illegal to withhold taxes, then i dont see the issue. So what for the last 44 years the party's nominee has done it. Trump is a Maverick. Support the troops... but not with my taxes... Just yell about how much you emotionally support them... but no substance...

You do realize that taxes include more than just federal income taxes? 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 07, 2016, 06:18:55 AM
Am I right or wrong?

boy you wrong as fuck
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 07, 2016, 06:20:20 AM
You do realize that taxes include more than just federal income taxes? 

 I live in California. I pay fed, state and local taxes. Im a grown ass employed man. Dont try to play me chief
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 07, 2016, 06:27:09 AM
I live in California. I pay fed, state and local taxes. Im a grown ass employed man. Dont try to play me chief

sometimes your posts dont make it seem like you know all that much about these issues.  Thats why people make these posts.   :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2016, 10:01:37 AM
I live in California. I pay fed, state and local taxes. Im a grown ass employed man. Dont try to play me chief

I see.  So even though this entire issue with Trump revolves exclusively around whether or not he paid federal income taxes, and your comments were talking about federal income taxes, your really understood that Trump's taxes includes property taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc.?

IF the government runs on taxes...Roads, bridges, schools, public officials, LEO and military, how can you then say you support our American way of life?
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 07, 2016, 02:05:21 PM
I see.  So even though this entire issue with Trump revolves exclusively around whether or not he paid federal income taxes, and your comments were talking about federal income taxes, your really understood that Trump's taxes includes property taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc.?

we pay troops from what tax fund?
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
we pay troops from what tax fund?

You tell me.

Also, tell me tax fund pays for "Roads, bridges, schools, public officials, LEO." 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: TuHolmes on October 07, 2016, 06:17:43 PM
I see.  So even though this entire issue with Trump revolves exclusively around whether or not he paid federal income taxes, and your comments were talking about federal income taxes, your really understood that Trump's taxes includes property taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc.?


Well, sales and property are all local taxes.

The money doesn't go to the federal government, so it doesn't pay for things like Military, interstate roads, or higher education.
I expect they would pay for local funding of things.

Payroll taxes are to federal government, but Trump doesn't pay a payroll tax himself, his companies do.

Whether it's legal or not, and we surely know it was legal, it doesn't really seem very "right" when people like you and I could never get away with that.

The other thing that bugs me is how everyone is say Trump was "smart" for not having to pay those taxes.

Trump doesn't do his own taxes, he has a tax attorney and a CPA do them for him. THOSE people are smart. They got all of that done, not Trump really.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2016, 06:27:14 PM
Well, sales and property are all local taxes.

The money doesn't go to the federal government, so it doesn't pay for things like Military, interstate roads, or higher education.
I expect they would pay for local funding of things.

Payroll taxes are to federal government, but Trump doesn't pay a payroll tax himself, his companies do.

Whether it's legal or not, and we surely know it was legal, it doesn't really seem very "right" when people like you and I could never get away with that.

The other thing that bugs me is how everyone is say Trump was "smart" for not having to pay those taxes.

Trump doesn't do his own taxes, he has a tax attorney and a CPA do them for him. THOSE people are smart. They got all of that done, not Trump really.

What federal taxes pay for higher education?

I don't make a distinction between Trump and his company.  He is the company.  His name is everything.  So if his company pays payroll taxes that is Trump paying payroll taxes in my view. 

Nothing illegal about paying the least amount of taxes possible.  And I do think it's smart to hire people who can help you.  I'm smart to enough to know what I don't know, so I consult with people all the time.  I also don't do my own taxes.  I expect the folks who handle my taxes to have me paying the least amount possible.  Don't you do the same thing? 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: TuHolmes on October 07, 2016, 06:33:32 PM
What federal taxes pay for higher education?

I don't make a distinction between Trump and his company.  He is the company.  His name is everything.  So if his company pays payroll taxes that is Trump paying payroll taxes in my view. 

Nothing illegal about paying the least amount of taxes possible.  And I do think it's smart to hire people who can help you.  I'm smart to enough to know what I don't know, so I consult with people all the time.  I also don't do my own taxes.  I expect the folks who handle my taxes to have me paying the least amount possible.  Don't you do the same thing? 

No question I do, but it's not like Trump does his actual taxes to know the deductions. That's all I'm saying.

I don't exactly "which" taxes. I assume there is a pool.

I only say it because I read this the other day. It is old.

http://www.air.org/news/press-release/taxpayer-subsidies-most-colleges-and-universities-average-between-8000-more
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2016, 06:44:18 PM
No question I do, but it's not like Trump does his actual taxes to know the deductions. That's all I'm saying.

I don't exactly "which" taxes. I assume there is a pool.

I only say it because I read this the other day. It is old.

http://www.air.org/news/press-release/taxpayer-subsidies-most-colleges-and-universities-average-between-8000-more

Interesting article.  Good info.  Did not know that.  Thanks.

I think a person should get credit for hiring and consulting with smart people.

Now excuse me while I go take a shower.  I feel like I've been defending Trump all week.   :-\ 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: TuHolmes on October 07, 2016, 06:47:56 PM
Interesting article.  Good info.  Did not know that.  Thanks.

I think a person should get credit for hiring and consulting with smart people.

Now excuse me while I go take a shower.  I feel like I've been defending Trump all week.   :-\ 

They should, but recently, Trump's hiring of smart people has been questionable at best. I mean, maybe he is, but he's not listening to many of them these days. (At least that's how it seems)
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 07, 2016, 06:51:49 PM
They should, but recently, Trump's hiring of smart people has been questionable at best. I mean, maybe he is, but he's not listening to many of them these days. (At least that's how it seems)


He actually has done a good job with his major hires during the campaign.  Lewandowski got him into the primaries.  Firing him and hiring Manifort was a smart move, because it helped him through the primaries/caucuses.  Firing Manifort and hiring Conway was a smart move, because she helped him be less of a douchebag, apologize for his behavior, got him to read from a teleprompter, appear slightly more presidential, etc.  And Pence was a good VP choice. 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: TuHolmes on October 07, 2016, 09:16:46 PM
He actually has done a good job with his major hires during the campaign.  Lewandowski got him into the primaries.  Firing him and hiring Manifort was a smart move, because it helped him through the primaries/caucuses.  Firing Manifort and hiring Conway was a smart move, because she helped him be less of a douchebag, apologize for his behavior, got him to read from a teleprompter, appear slightly more presidential, etc.  And Pence was a good VP choice. 

Oh, I didn't mean he didn't hire smart people. I meant he doesn't seem to be listening to them as much as he should be.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 11, 2016, 06:33:40 AM
You tell me.

Also, tell me tax fund pays for "Roads, bridges, schools, public officials, LEO." 

Yes... we pay for The Troops you love, via federal funds.
Roads... yes.. interstates... also paid for by federal funds.
public officials, yes...a gain.. federal funds
LEO... FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF... again.. federal funds
State taxes pay for schools but who makes up the difference..yup.. federal (title 1)
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 11, 2016, 12:06:41 PM
Yes... we pay for The Troops you love, via federal funds.
Roads... yes.. interstates... also paid for by federal funds.
public officials, yes...a gain.. federal funds
LEO... FBI, CIA, DEA, ATF... again.. federal funds
State taxes pay for schools but who makes up the difference..yup.. federal (title 1)

Actually that depends on what troops you're talking about.  National Guard troops are mostly paid by the states. 

There are a lot more "public officials" at the state and local level, who are paid with state and local tax dollars. 

Yes, the FBI, CIA, DEA, an AFT are paid with federal tax dollars.  They are also a minority of the "LEO" in this country.  State, county, and local law enforcement are paid with state and local tax dollars. 

The majority of the "roads, bridges, schools" that we use are state and local facilities funded with state and local tax dollars.  The federal government does not repair potholes on roads most of use to get to and from work, school, etc. 

And overall, if you are saying you don't try and pay the least amount of income tax possible you are full of it.  No offense intended. 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Primemuscle on October 11, 2016, 12:15:54 PM
I  I feel like I've been defending Trump all week.   :-\ 

No doubt Trump appreciates your defense.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 11, 2016, 12:21:57 PM
No doubt Trump appreciates your defense.

and laughably - a grown ass man defending Hillary takes the entire cake.  Nothing remotely as comical and ludicrous as that.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 11, 2016, 12:25:03 PM
No doubt Trump appreciates your defense.

He doesn't need my help.  I just point out BS when I see it (if I choose to comment). 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 11, 2016, 12:39:26 PM
"Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes."

Gregory v. Helvering, 69 F.2d 809, 810 (2d Cir. 1934)
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 11, 2016, 12:47:16 PM
"Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes."

Gregory v. Helvering, 69 F.2d 809, 810 (2d Cir. 1934)

Nice.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 11, 2016, 12:49:06 PM
Nice.

Liberal faggets are so full of it.  How many of these little pussies tell their CPA to not take deductions so they can pay more?  Bunch of losers and milleinal pajama wearing twinks. 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Yamcha on October 12, 2016, 05:31:08 AM
Damn, they finally have the dirt on Trump!  >:(

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5039 (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5039)
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 12, 2016, 06:33:03 AM
Actually that depends on what troops you're talking about.  National Guard troops are mostly paid by the states. 

There are a lot more "public officials" at the state and local level, who are paid with state and local tax dollars. 

Yes, the FBI, CIA, DEA, an AFT are paid with federal tax dollars.  They are also a minority of the "LEO" in this country.  State, county, and local law enforcement are paid with state and local tax dollars. 

The majority of the "roads, bridges, schools" that we use are state and local facilities funded with state and local tax dollars.  The federal government does not repair potholes on roads most of use to get to and from work, school, etc. 

And overall, if you are saying you don't try and pay the least amount of income tax possible you are full of it.  No offense intended. 
Im talking about the regular army navy air force and marines... "they make up a lot more" of the military they are talking about. $0.42 of every $1 federal tax dollar goes to military.
Public officials i was talking about were the ones paid by federal taxes. There are local government positions too.. but the ones i was talking about were of the federal variety.
Same goes for LEO... i was talking about the federal ones.....the ones federal taxes pay for... i thought we were talking about federal taxes
Again. i know a portion of transportation comes from state funds....but there is also a federal department of transportation... and thats paid for by federal dollars
"We certainly want to be sure we get every federal dollar that is available to our state," he said.

The federal money plays a major role in the complex cash flow system that fuels South Carolina's DOT and most DOTs around the nation.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/26/sc-road-projects-federal-tax-dollars-work/26314107/

not sure what the rebuttal was for. My point is that there are federal programs and entities that depend on federal tax dollars and some of the agencies Trump says he supports only gain support dont get it in the form of money from Mr Trump

Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Primemuscle on October 12, 2016, 11:04:12 AM
Liberal faggets are so full of it.  How many of these little pussies tell their CPA to not take deductions so they can pay more?  Bunch of losers and milleinal pajama wearing twinks. 

I tell my tax guy (me) to take as many deductions as possible and I still pay state and federal income tax every year.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 12, 2016, 11:22:58 AM
I tell my tax guy (me) to take as many deductions as possible and I still pay state and federal income tax every year.

And if one year he says you dont owe anything are you going to protest and demand you pay more?   No of course not!!! 

so this is just another non-issue by liberal idiots
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 12, 2016, 11:39:08 AM
And if one year he says you dont owe anything are you going to protest and demand you pay more?   No of course not!!! 

so this is just another non-issue by liberal idiots

so... how do you support the troops if you dont pay federal taxes?.... This is a real question.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 12, 2016, 11:47:23 AM
so... how do you support the troops if you dont pay federal taxes?.... This is a real question.

FALSE! 

That is not your problem as a citizen - these pofs that are elected vote on stuff like that and also happen to writre the tax laws.  So if their little bs scams dont work out - F em. 

I'm not paying a penny more than i have to.  and guess what - you dont or wont either. 

Lets stop the garbage already on this issue w the liberal faggetry and pajama boy bs. 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 12, 2016, 11:55:46 AM
FALSE! 

That is not your problem as a citizen - these pofs that are elected vote on stuff like that and also happen to writre the tax laws.  So if their little bs scams dont work out - F em. 

I'm not paying a penny more than i have to.  and guess what - you dont or wont either. 

Lets stop the garbage already on this issue w the liberal faggetry and pajama boy bs. 

ok this is how this goes... if i ask a question on how something works, the answer cant be "false".. it isnt a true or false question.
So again... How do you "support the troops"... the federally tax paid military, without paying federal taxes?
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 12, 2016, 11:57:59 AM
ok this is how this goes... if i ask a question on how something works, the answer cant be "false".. it isnt a true or false question.
So again... How do you "support the troops"... the federally tax paid military, without paying federal taxes?

Not my problem.   I pay the least amount legally obligated too - same as you do. 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: James on October 12, 2016, 12:02:28 PM
The Clintons donated used underwear to charity, wrote it off on taxes.


https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/54uh0w/today_i_learned_the_clintons_deducted_2_per_pair/

Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Primemuscle on October 12, 2016, 08:41:56 PM
And if one year he says you dont owe anything are you going to protest and demand you pay more?   No of course not!!! 

so this is just another non-issue by liberal idiots

In almost 60 years of filing taxes, I have never hit the zero mark you referenced. That tax filing you hypothetically referenced will likely never come to pass.

My two sons military careers which entailed putting their lives on the line helping to insure those of us (including you) who sit comfortably at home are as safe as is possible, appreciate any recognition and support they receive from us via taxes and charitable gifts.

Tell me exactly what is liberal about supporting our troops when paying our fair share of taxes? Your buddy Trump has seemingly paid squat for the protection he has been afforded.

In a mean spirited moment, I thought Trump should immigrate to Russia where he can cozy up to his idol, Vladimir Putin. They are both bullies. They should get along famously spending time groping women's "pussies". Oh wait, two dictator's aren't likely to get along for very long.  ;)
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: mazrim on October 13, 2016, 02:59:21 AM
In almost 60 years of filing taxes, I have never hit the zero mark you referenced. That tax filing you hypothetically referenced will likely never come to pass.

My two sons military careers which entailed putting their lives on the line helping to insure those of us (including you) who sit comfortably at home are as safe as is possible, appreciate any recognition and support they receive from us via taxes and charitable gifts.

Tell me exactly what is liberal about supporting our troops when paying our fair share of taxes? Your buddy Trump has seemingly paid squat for the protection he has been afforded.

In a mean spirited moment, I thought Trump should immigrate to Russia where he can cozy up to his idol, Vladimir Putin. They are both bullies. They should get along famously spending time groping women's "pussies". Oh wait, two dictator's aren't likely to get along for very long.  ;)
Every post you make. Here or in the gossip and opinions is laughable and out of touch.

You do realize that Hillary has an email speaking well of Putin? Hilarious that she attacked Trump over that.
Oh, wait!! You vote for her to push your homosexual/trangender, etc. agenda.
Oh wait!! She doesn't even believe in that either behind closed doors. Wake up.
You and people like you are a problem. You don't care one bit about what happens to our country and the future because you'll be dead in the near future. Hopefully, you'll live long enough to see what your vote helped to create.

"Oh there's a "D" next to that candidates name!! I'm voting for Hillary."
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Thin Lizzy on October 13, 2016, 03:17:50 AM
LOL at Libs continually bringing up the Military regarding taxes.

It's just a smokescreen to mask where most of the money really goes:

(http://static.businessinsider.com/image/54aa8b1d69bedd6056870505-400/image.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 13, 2016, 12:32:21 PM
Im talking about the regular army navy air force and marines... "they make up a lot more" of the military they are talking about. $0.42 of every $1 federal tax dollar goes to military.
Public officials i was talking about were the ones paid by federal taxes. There are local government positions too.. but the ones i was talking about were of the federal variety.
Same goes for LEO... i was talking about the federal ones.....the ones federal taxes pay for... i thought we were talking about federal taxes
Again. i know a portion of transportation comes from state funds....but there is also a federal department of transportation... and thats paid for by federal dollars
"We certainly want to be sure we get every federal dollar that is available to our state," he said.

The federal money plays a major role in the complex cash flow system that fuels South Carolina's DOT and most DOTs around the nation.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/politics/2015/04/26/sc-road-projects-federal-tax-dollars-work/26314107/

not sure what the rebuttal was for. My point is that there are federal programs and entities that depend on federal tax dollars and some of the agencies Trump says he supports only gain support dont get it in the form of money from Mr Trump



I was shedding light on your contention that all of those things are supported by federal income tax.  They are not.

It sounds like your point is someone cannot "support the Troops" unless they pay federal income tax.  You are then saying that the approximately half of people/families that don't pay federal income tax don't support the troops.  Paying federal income tax isn't some test of support for the armed forces.   
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Primemuscle on October 13, 2016, 04:00:28 PM
Every post you make. Here or in the gossip and opinions is laughable and out of touch.

You do realize that Hillary has an email speaking well of Putin? Hilarious that she attacked Trump over that.
Oh, wait!! You vote for her to push your homosexual/trangender, etc. agenda.
Oh wait!! She doesn't even believe in that either behind closed doors. Wake up.
You and people like you are a problem. You don't care one bit about what happens to our country and the future because you'll be dead in the near future. Hopefully, you'll live long enough to see what your vote helped to create.

"Oh there's a "D" next to that candidates name!! I'm voting for Hillary."

Your "boy" is going down in flames at this very moment.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 14, 2016, 06:34:23 AM
I was shedding light on your contention that all of those things are supported by federal income tax.  They are not.

It sounds like your point is someone cannot "support the Troops" unless they pay federal income tax.  You are then saying that the approximately half of people/families that don't pay federal income tax don't support the troops.  Paying federal income tax isn't some test of support for the armed forces.   


yes... they are...i pointed it out

and what form of support are they offering if its not with money. Prayers?
Prayers dont get tanks built and pay for body armor... money does
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: mazrim on October 14, 2016, 06:37:46 AM
Your "boy" is going down in flames at this very moment.
That's all you have to post, lol? I've already acknowledged that. That's because of morons like you refusing to actually know who and what you are voting for.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 14, 2016, 12:39:10 PM

yes... they are...i pointed it out

and what form of support are they offering if its not with money. Prayers?
Prayers dont get tanks built and pay for body armor... money does

No, you overstated your point, which I clarified.  Not all armed forces, public officials, law enforcement officers, "roads, bridges, schools" are paid with federal tax dollars. 

Prayer is definitely a form of support for anyone, but that's your straw man, not mine. 

The test of whether or not any American supports the military or any other publicly funded entity/project is not based on the amount of federal income tax one pays.  That's just silly.     


Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 14, 2016, 01:10:00 PM
No, you overstated your point, which I clarified.  Not all armed forces, public officials, law enforcement officers, "roads, bridges, schools" are paid with federal tax dollars. 

Prayer is definitely a form of support for anyone, but that's your straw man, not mine. 

The test of whether or not any American supports the military or any other publicly funded entity/project is not based on the amount of federal income tax one pays.  That's just silly.     



i never used your straw "all".

Please show me another way of substance that one can support the troops
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 14, 2016, 01:23:23 PM
i never used your straw "all".

Please show me another way of substance that one can support the troops

Bruh. 

I was shedding light on your contention that all of those things are supported by federal income tax.  They are not.


yes... they are...i pointed it out


How can you support the troops other than paying federal income tax?  Come on man.  Non-exhaustive list:

1.  Donating money to organizations that help active, reserve, guard, retired, and veterans.

2.  Donating time to help those same organizations. 

3.  Providing moral or financial support to people who serve (or have served).

4.  Paying any kind of federal tax. 

5.  Paying any kind of state tax. 

6.  Attending events that support or recognize current and former service members.

7.  Being respectful. 

What is your list?   
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 14, 2016, 01:37:23 PM
Bruh. 

How can you support the troops other than paying federal income tax?  Come on man.  Non-exhaustive list:

1.  Donating money to organizations that help active, reserve, guard, retired, and veterans.

2.  Donating time to help those same organizations. 

3.  Providing moral or financial support to people who serve (or have served).

4.  Paying any kind of federal tax. 

5.  Paying any kind of state tax. 

6.  Attending events that support or recognize current and former service members.

7.  Being respectful. 

What is your list?   

Money
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Soul Crusher on October 14, 2016, 01:39:03 PM
Money

Money what - we take in TRILLIONS a year - the Defense Budget is tony compared to everything else.  You can fund the military without gorging citizens to death on their taxes like we do now. 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 14, 2016, 01:44:11 PM
Money

Shallow.  And there is no way of knowing if one dime of the money the government takes from any individual supports the defense budget or some pork barrel project, like studying the alcohol habits of lesbians.  http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Feds-Study-Lesbian-Couple-Drinking/2016/08/29/id/745642/#ixzz4Ikhq1tsJ 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Option D on October 14, 2016, 02:04:32 PM
Shallow.  And there is no way of knowing if one dime of the money the government takes from any individual supports the defense budget or some pork barrel project, like studying the alcohol habits of lesbians.  http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Feds-Study-Lesbian-Couple-Drinking/2016/08/29/id/745642/#ixzz4Ikhq1tsJ 

shitting me right... you dont think that our tax dollars are accounted for... thats insanely easy. X amount of federal income revenue is collected per year... and then a portion of it goes into defense spending.... if they took in 100 bucks...and $16 of it was spent on defense... 16% of every dollar goes into defense... so... like.. yeah its a pretty easy equation
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on October 14, 2016, 02:07:44 PM
shitting me right... you dont think that our tax dollars are accounted for... thats insanely easy. X amount of federal income revenue is collected per year... and then a portion of it goes into defense spending.... if they took in 100 bucks...and $16 of it was spent on defense... 16% of every dollar goes into defense... so... like.. yeah its a pretty easy equation

Or all of the $100 they took from you went to study why lesbians are obese.  How the heck do you know?   http://www.thepcmdgazette.com/news/feds-spend-2-2-million-to-study-why-lesbians-are-obese/

The government does not allocate monies from individual taxpayers. 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on March 29, 2017, 10:22:27 AM
I think President Trump should have released his tax returns before the election, but the government trying to target an individual like this is some straight up Gestapo stuff.  Some of these Democrats are nuts.  Zealots for their cause.   

Democrats strike out again on Trump tax request
Published March 28, 2017

The House Ways and Means Committee voted Tuesday against a resolution led by Rep. Bill Pascrell, D-N.J., to access ten years of Trump’s tax returns. Pascrell’s resolution is one of several similar resolutions Democrats have brought to the committee for review. The committee isn’t expected to grant any of the requests.

Under the tax code, the House Ways and Means Committee can ask for and review Trump’s returns in a closed meeting and then choose to make all or part of them public. Committee Chair Kevin Brady, R-Texas, has said repeatedly that he does not want to request access to a private individual’s tax returns. Pascrell argues that Trump is the president and not a private individual.

Trump owns various properties in the U.S. and abroad and Democrats argue that the tax documents could show whether Mr. Trump could be benefiting financially from being president and also show if the president has any business connections to Russian interests, though such ties wouldn’t necessarily appear on a return.

“I think the American people need to know and the Congress need to know, particularly with all of the possibilities of conflict,” Pascrell said. “It’s put up or shut up time. If there’s nothing there, there’s nothing there.”

Click for more from WSJ.com

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/28/democrats-strike-out-again-on-trump-tax-request.html
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 29, 2017, 10:59:38 AM
Release Obamas school transcripts. No one has ever seen them either. As for Trumps, no body gives a crap except those on the left that are trying to dig something up on him. Fact of the matter is, he was a private citizen then not a life long politician. His money not ours. Politicians money is ours, not theirs.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: TuHolmes on March 29, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
Release Obamas school transcripts. No one has ever seen them either. As for Trumps, no body gives a crap except those on the left that are trying to dig something up on him. Fact of the matter is, he was a private citizen then not a life long politician. His money not ours. Politicians money is ours, not theirs.

Why would Obama need to release school transcripts? First of all, there is a law against that. The only thing that is legal is to ask if they attended and of course the schools say he did. Also, he has professors that state he did as well and he was in their classes.

Other things to note:

1. Obama isn't the President anymore, so why do you care about his school transcripts still?
2. Trump has no legal requirement to release any tax documents, we are all aware of this. It's just something that most people running for President for about 75 years have done. It's not some big deal, but it does typically mean that there's something there he doesn't want people to see. I don't think it's criminal, but it probably speaks more to how much of a blow hard he is and how he isn't as rich as he as claimed.
3. I assume most people don't care if he releases his taxes anyway... I surely don't care about them. If they do, it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 29, 2017, 12:37:06 PM
Why would Obama need to release school transcripts? First of all, there is a law against that. The only thing that is legal is to ask if they attended and of course the schools say he did. Also, he has professors that state he did as well and he was in their classes.

Other things to note:

1. Obama isn't the President anymore, so why do you care about his school transcripts still?
2. Trump has no legal requirement to release any tax documents, we are all aware of this. It's just something that most people running for President for about 75 years have done. It's not some big deal, but it does typically mean that there's something there he doesn't want people to see. I don't think it's criminal, but it probably speaks more to how much of a blow hard he is and how he isn't as rich as he as claimed.
3. I assume most people don't care if he releases his taxes anyway... I surely don't care about them. If they do, it doesn't matter.

I get all of that....every bit of it. Obama and Obama alone can release those transcripts if he wanted which still begs to asks the question (even if he is out of office now) what was he hiding? The same question that was being asked of Trump even before he was elected and now.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: TuHolmes on March 29, 2017, 12:50:28 PM
I get all of that....every bit of it. Obama and Obama alone can release those transcripts if he wanted which still begs to asks the question (even if he is out of office now) what was he hiding? The same question that was being asked of Trump even before he was elected and now.

Oh, people asked that of Obama before he was elected too. He was an illegal tribesman from Kenya before he took office.

I don't know if he was hiding anything other than some bad grades to be honest. That's the only thing that would make sense.

What's Trump hiding in his taxes? Something illegal? Probably not. Like I said before. I don't think either of them is some big conspiracy that the other side wants to make it out to be.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Grape Ape on March 29, 2017, 12:53:40 PM
Oh, people asked that of Obama before he was elected too. He was an illegal tribesman from Kenya before he took office.

I don't know if he was hiding anything other than some bad grades to be honest. That's the only thing that would make sense.

What's Trump hiding in his taxes? Something illegal? Probably not. Like I said before. I don't think either of them is some big conspiracy that the other side wants to make it out to be.

If Trump was hiding something illegal, he'd be caught by the auditors.

I don't think any President should have to release their returns.  If they are filed legally, it's a non story.  The returns are only used for useless  talking points: "look how rich and out of touch he is" or "look how little he paid in taxes".
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Nick Danger on March 29, 2017, 02:46:18 PM
If Trump was hiding something illegal, he'd be caught by the auditors.

I don't think any President should have to release their returns.  If they are filed legally, it's a non story.  The returns are only used for useless  talking points: "look how rich and out of touch he is" or "look how little he paid in taxes".

When the tax issue came out pre-election, I was mistakenly under the impression that business taxes were included.
Personal taxes really won't tell much about his past dealings...and who really cares if he has $2 billion or $10 billion?
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Primemuscle on March 29, 2017, 05:05:30 PM
Release Obamas school transcripts. No one has ever seen them either. As for Trumps, no body gives a crap except those on the left that are trying to dig something up on him. Fact of the matter is, he was a private citizen then not a life long politician. His money not ours. Politicians money is ours, not theirs.

It bothers you not that he avoids paying personal income tax (or tipping his caddy  ;D), while spending taxpayers money.

Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Primemuscle on March 29, 2017, 05:08:28 PM
I get all of that....every bit of it. Obama and Obama alone can release those transcripts if he wanted which still begs to asks the question (even if he is out of office now) what was he hiding? The same question that was being asked of Trump even before he was elected and now.

May "beg the question" but who's asking?
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Dos Equis on March 29, 2017, 07:25:29 PM
It bothers you not that he avoids paying personal income tax (or tipping his caddy  ;D), while spending taxpayers money.



How do you know he doesn't pay personal income tax?  And what taxpayer money was he spending? 
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 29, 2017, 07:33:39 PM
It bothers you not that he avoids paying personal income tax (or tipping his caddy  ;D), while spending taxpayers money.



Show me something where he avoids paying personal income? Stop talking out of your ass.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Primemuscle on March 30, 2017, 07:37:06 PM
Show me something where he avoids paying personal income? Stop talking out of your ass.

Because Trump refuses to reveal his tax returns, there is no way to prove that he cheats on his taxes. Any reasonably intelligent person knows from the recently published previous tax return, that the numbers simply do not add up. To his credit, he is not alone in this.

My income is pretty modest. I just finished preparing my taxes and I definitely used every legal tool I could in order to pay as little income tax as possible. My state and federal tax burden is more than 25% of my gross retirement income. I'd venture a guess that Trump's tax ratio to income is better than mine and (if you believe his boasts) he's worth many billions of dollars.
Title: Re: Trump's Tax Returns
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 30, 2017, 10:13:38 PM
Because Trump refuses to reveal his tax returns, there is no way to prove that he cheats on his taxes. Any reasonably intelligent person knows from the recently published previous tax return, that the numbers simply do not add up. To his credit, he is not alone in this.

My income is pretty modest. I just finished preparing my taxes and I definitely used every legal tool I could in order to pay as little income tax as possible. My state and federal tax burden is more than 25% of my gross retirement income. I'd venture a guess that Trump's tax ratio to income is better than mine and (if you believe his boasts) he's worth many billions of dollars.

Are you seriously comparing yourself to Trump or any other billionaire for that fact?