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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Gainsi on July 13, 2016, 09:04:32 PM
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Hey guys, i have 16 weeks to look as big as possible, any suggestions? No slin no gh and prefererably no tren
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You realize those are probably your three best tools in your arsenal right? Lmao
Not saying you can't achieve your goal without them at all though.
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Test deca dbol in as high doses as you can tolerate
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as big or as muscular as possible? ::)
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1g tren/1g test/1g npp EW, 10 IU GH ED + orals = that is a blast that will like to try sometime in the future.
never tried slin and not planning on that. GH is always a must and year round if it can be afforded. Tren is a must if you are bb-er, I prefer safer aas such as primo/test/var in moderate doses 5-6 months during the year.
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16 weeks? Test and Deca, as high as physically and financially possible - Dbol during the first and last 6 weeks at 50 mg ED or more and have a very trustworthy source for your A.I. Assuming you're starting from a low bodyfat percentage, Chinese buffets are a great way to get insane amounts of meat/protein, olive oil shots added to your milk and whey shakes as well as a banana pack an enormous amount of calories. Time tested and (relatively) safe.
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60gr of oats 5 times a day :D
100mg of dbol 1-4 week
1gr of test 1-16 week
1gr of deca 1-16 week
350mg npp (up the doses every week) 5-16 week
100mg dbol 10-16 week
50mg(25mg more every week) 6-16 week
just making something up tho... but thats something i might try later :o
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the four horsemen... anadrol, dbol, test, deca.... throw in some gh, maybe some slin.
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If u gain 2 much weight in 16 weeks with not enough drugs u will get fat. 16 weeks ide shoot for 15-20 lbs at the most. Can't flex fat.
My next "bulk/blast" will b about 16 weeks and I will run
750 test e whole time
600 deca whole time
4 weeks drol 50mgs day
5th week npp 300 week for 6 weeks
Week 11 drop npp and do drol again 4 weeks.
This will take me from right now at 230 to high 240's or more then I cruise and try tout hold new muscles for a time then I will cut.
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This is what i have:
-3 vials of short ester vet grade primo (3g)
-500 pills of 10mg blue hearts dbol March Pharmaceuticals
-30 pills of 1mg MethylTren (oral tren) Northern Pharmaceuticals
-4 vials NPP Ventus Labs
-Testosterone Enanthate by Northern Pharma
-Testosterone Propionate by Northern Pharma
-Masteron Propionate by Norther Pharma
-Equipoise by Northern Pharma
-Deca-Durabolin by Northern Pharma
-Anavar by Northern Pharma
Here are my past experiences:
•I have gotten VERY good results with Anadrol. My favorite full on fullness and dry mass gain steroid. No side effects :).
•Dianabol seems to aromatise alot and causes acne. Also bloats alot with water retention. I am willing to give it a try again though if you guys think it's good.
•Deca I used it at 400mg and I did not feel a thing. However, NPP @700 was amazing for pumps and thicker look.
•Equipoise one of my favorite injectables from all. No side effects, pure vascularity and sheer hunger, makes me grow like there is no tomorrow when combined with high doses of test.
•Testosterone Enanthate made me mad thick and strong at 1050mg/week.
•Primobolan I have never used so far.
•I have never used Mtren.
•I use trenbolone acetate for over a year straight at 100mg ed, ive went up to 3.5g for a week once. Insane compound but it gives mad gyno and acne :(.
•Growth Hormone i had great experiences with, continual growth no plateau and great hunger but it's too costy.
•Anavar is great for cutting or to kickstart a mild cycle, side effect free
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So far i have been on var for nearly 4 weeks and I started masteron propionate last monday. I have been doing lots of cardio and eating 5 meals a day (breakfast, meal 2, preworkout meal, intrashake, postwo shake, postwo meal, and meal 5).
Should i add primo and trying recomp for couple more weeks? Or start adding big time mass?
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Week 1-4 test e 200
Week 1-4 var 60
Week 1-4 asin 12.5 eod
Week 4-20 mast p 350
Week 5-8 test p 350
Week 5-8 dbol 30/30/40/40
Week 5-20 test e 750
Week 5-20 eq 600
Week 5-22 asin 25 ed
Week 5-22 nolva 20 ed
Week 15-20 dbol 30/30/30/40/40/40
Week 21-26 trt test e 200
**** long esters shot m/w/f
**** short esters ed
**** dbol split 2x ed
**** my trt is shot twice a week
**** all my gear is northern except my dbol
Sorry about the confusion with mast, i was initially planning to clean recomp because i took a break from the gym for 2-3 months 1-2 weeks prior to starting var, so i added mast a week prior to changing my mind towards getting big. Also, week 15-20, should i cut dbol to 4 weeks instead of 6?
I use tudca ed
(http://i63.tinypic.com/30a5kxw.jpg)
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geez you overthink your AAS use more than a girl overthinks whether she should buy the new pair of shoes or not...
just inject whatsever fits into the syringe and eat a lot
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Lol@ jizmo. I have a monster friend dude is like 6'4 270 and like 12% body fat and his buddy brews gear. Any ways he said they used to take all the leftover shit and just fill up 50ml jugs of whatever the fuck was in it. He said it'd be like some deca, tren e, tren ace,prop, cyp,eq who the fuck knows....they called it Swole mix and they'd just shoot a few cc every other day or when ever no consistent schedule. Guess what? It works... doesn't make a fuck what u take really to grow as long as u have shit in your system train and eat sleep.
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Hey guys, i have 16 weeks to look as big as possible, any suggestions? No slin no gh and prefererably no tren
Oxymoron if i ever saw one.
Oxymoron would also make a good getbig screen name.
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Haha i know that i over think, but it's nice to plan out an organized cycle instead of yoloing 3cc a day of anything. I have a couple questions i need to ask you guys. First one is concerning masteron propionate. Should i keep it or just drop it? I included it to reduce water retention. I have also read that it helps with freeing up test in the body making testosterone more effective. I want to waste least time on what's useless and invest more time in what will really help me keep a nice look and grow nicely. Of course I am concerned with side effects, mainly the ones outside the body; acne.
I know testosterone will be in at high dosages. But i have been wondering if it's better to start low, for example 500mg a week, and slowly build up my dosage to 750, and eventually 1g... rather than right off the bat throw 1g in the mix. I could use kickstart of prop at 50mg ed.
Also, i have ran deca at 400, personally i did not feel it, only ran it for 10 weeks though cause it felt useless. Should i give it a shot again or just forget deca? I could kickstart deca with npp at 50mg ed.
Eq will definitely be in at 600-800, and i will either use dbol, adrol, tbol or var as my oral, I will run orals twice throughout the cycle. Is it better to run orals after the kickstart of a cycle with short esters (because it sounds excessive a bit, i want to optimize)?
I have also heard about people saying to switch compounds every 12 weeks, does it apply to longer esters like deca, test e, eq, etc? or do u just up the dosage (i rather a safer approach than fry my body with 10g of juice).
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you should already know which gear works for you and which doesn't, so just load up on the compounds that work best for you and ditch the others
and remember that you look bigger when you are lean and not a fat fuck
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Test deca dbol in as high doses as you can tolerate
IMO, the greatest off season mass combo ever created & you feel GREAT on it.
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geez you overthink your AAS use more than a girl overthinks whether she should buy the new pair of shoes or not...
just inject whatsever fits into the syringe and eat a lot
^^^^^SPOT FUCKING ON!!!!! I Cant hardly read these forums anymore. Its not rocket science, people get too fucking kooky about what they are running, timing.......etc. Keep it SIMPLE people. You want to get big TEST,DECA,EQ,GH,SLIN,along with the right FOOD. The basics have worked and still work. Ok I gotta take my crazy pills after reading this forum.
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3ccs of 'who gives a fuck' eod plus food equals huge.
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Weeks 1-12
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100mg injectable dbol ed (first 8 weeks)
100mg TNE ed
500mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
200mg test prop ed
200mg NPP ed
25iu humalog before meals and before training
20iu gh injected iv immediately post workout 3x per week, 10iu gh injected IM 2x per week (other 2 training days), 10iu split dose into 5am 5 mid day injected subq on off days
Weeks 13-24
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100mg TNE ed
750mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
300mg test prop ed
200mg tren ace ed
25iu humalog before meals, 35iu before training
30iu gh injected iv post workout on all training days, 15iu subq on off days split dose 5am/5 mid day/5 evening
Weeks 25-34
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200mg injectable anadrol ed
150mg TNE ed
1,000mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
400mg test prop ed
25iu humalog before meals, 40iu before training
35iu injected iv everyday in one shot
Here.... from fhe bfg himself
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neat,>10g of AAS a week
classic camel crew cycle
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Could become ifbb on that 8)
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Here is an update on what I am planning to do.
Cycle:
Week 1-4 Dianabol @30mg ED split 10mg AM and 20mg PREWO
Week 1-16 Testosterone Enanthate @500mg/week Monday/Thursday
Week 1-16 Deca-Durabolin @400mg/week Monday/Thursday
Week 11-16 Anavar @60mg ED split 20mg AM & 40mg PREWO
Week 1-16 Cabergoline @0.75mg E3D
Week 1-16 Aromasin @12.5mg ED & 25mg ED on DBOL
Week 1-16 Nolvadex @20-40mg ED
Should I keep or drop the Masteron Propionate?
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cycle looks good, but if youre used to doses in the multiple gram range that wont get you "as big as possible" imo... dont get me wrong, its a good basic cycle but yeah.
id also venture to say your caber dose is way too high... most people dont need any at all for just 400mg deca... if you have to use it then 0.5mg a week is enough for 99% of people.
and 20mg nolva should easily suffice if youre already on aromasin...
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cycle looks good, but if youre used to doses in the multiple gram range that wont get you "as big as possible" imo... dont get me wrong, its a good basic cycle but yeah.
id also venture to say your caber dose is way too high... most people dont need any at all for just 400mg deca... if you have to use it then 0.5mg a week is enough for 99% of people.
and 20mg nolva should easily suffice if youre already on aromasin...
Thank you Jizmo on the reply, very helpful brother. Is it worth it upping the deca throughout the cycle? Because i know the drug takes a while to kick in due to it's long decaonoate ester so it might be better to just choose a higher dosage all along the cycle. And yessir, my body is used to high poundages of gear. But i took time off to get it used to lower dosages again. But again, your advice last cycle got me awesome gains. Did 350mg test e and 250mg eq 3x a week, had awesome results with anadrol. Reason i left my test dose higher than deca this cycle is for my dong to work. And i am not sure if i want test to be too high and get too watery from estrogen. What do you think? Also will take your advise on caber and nolva
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well i guess youre gonna have to experiment... test, estrogen and AIs are very individual things...
for example test always gives me moonface and theres NOTHING i can do about it, even if i completely kill my estrogen then my body will get harder and drier but my face stays puffy... i guess its related to sodium reabsorption or some kind of shit, but im not willing to go the diuretic route (would be an option if you dont want water retention)...
or you could simply run a ton of deca but low test...
i actually like running low test with high NPP... its a cycle thats COMPLETELY side effect free... keeping test at 200-300mg theres no need for an AI, libido is insane, no bad water retention at all and npp gives an awesome look without that blurryness of test... maybe just try that for a while (npp would be better suited than deca though)
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Haha i know that i over think, but it's nice to plan out an organized cycle instead of yoloing 3cc a day of anything. I have a couple questions i need to ask you guys. First one is concerning masteron propionate. Should i keep it or just drop it? I included it to reduce water retention. I have also read that it helps with freeing up test in the body making testosterone more effective. I want to waste least time on what's useless and invest more time in what will really help me keep a nice look and grow nicely. Of course I am concerned with side effects, mainly the ones outside the body; acne.
Winstrol will drop water and it frees up free test. honistly it is perfekt for that and gives you a very nice look very fast but when you drop it you notice the gains maybe where just from conditioning
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The reason why I decided to run Deca, is because I find it stronger than NPP. I know NPP is stronger on an mg to mg basis compared to Deca due to it's shorter PhenylPropionate ester compared to the latter being Decaonoate and taking more of the molecule giving less space for the hormone, but for some reason I find Deca to be a completely different drug than NPP. Totally different feeling, also gives much more strength gains. I also stop feeling NPP's pumps working after 4-6 weeks if I don't bump up the dosage. Where Deca gives continual gains over 12+ weeks and is even encouraged to run it for that long of periods. My goal is to put on as much scale weight as possible, while watching my diet, keeping cardio in every workout and staying up to date on my AI/SERMS/PA. Basically, I want to put on as much clean weight as possible by using the classic staple test/deca/dbol stack. In terms of skin health, Deca gives me no acne because it slowly builds up in the blood and is more stable compared to NPP which builds up very quickly and spikes in the blood. But npp is MUCH drier and a much better look. I find it to be a good alternative if you don't have Deca or if you don't want that excess water and to put on quick size on in 6-8 weeks. You can even push it to 12 and beyond if you keeping upping the dose which I don't really recommend doing.
On the other hand, I don't find water retention to be a side effect, but more as an effect of steroids in effect of their use. Every steroid makes you hold water, even tren, whether intracellular or subq. I think the moonface is dose dependant (also depending on what you stack), if you play with your dosage and try to lower it a bit, it might help with the bloating of the face. But when you try to maintain your kind of size, some things are simply inevitable and simply part of the game.
And you are right about the deca/npp causing an awesome look when stacked with lower test, but I also love your advise about keeping my test high on cycle when trying to put on serious weight, helps me stay thicker and build more muscle more easily rather than doing low test cycles with high mgs of different compounds.
Winstrol will drop water and it frees up free test. honistly it is perfekt for that and gives you a very nice look very fast but when you drop it you notice the gains maybe where just from conditioning
IMHO, Winstrol is something that you want to add towards the end of a cycle or after dropping those watery compounds like test and deca to lose that excess water. Even than, I wouldn't run it until I am around 10-11% bf because there is no point in showing your hard muscles if they are covered in fat. And the other reason is because it's liver toxic. Mast would do better until you get lean enough to add winny in. Do you disagree? What's good about winnie though is that I read some old posts saying that at dosages of 25mg per day, it helps control prolactin and keep it within range. I don't know if this theory applies to Mast as well. It could come in handy.
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just a short info here, the phenylpropionate ester is special in the regard that its a short ester but the molecules are heavier... NPP does not contain more active nandrolone on ml per ml basis vs deca... the phenylpropionate and decanoate esters both make up around 35mg or so of 100mg compound (both for NPP and deca). so you get around 65mg (if i remember that correctly) active steroid for every 100mg. npp does work much faster though, BUT deca stacks up much higher over time. thats why it feels stronger. its just active for way longer
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just a short info here, the phenylpropionate ester is special in the regard that its a short ester but the molecules are heavier... NPP does not contain more active nandrolone on ml per ml basis vs deca... the phenylpropionate and decanoate esters both make up around 35mg or so of 100mg compound (both for NPP and deca). so you get around 65mg (if i remember that correctly) active steroid for every 100mg. npp does work much faster though, BUT deca stacks up much higher over time. thats why it feels stronger. its just active for way longer
good info, jizmo. is still WW the mod of the steroid board???!
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;D x2 thanks you jizmo
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well i guess youre gonna have to experiment... test, estrogen and AIs are very individual things...
for example test always gives me moonface and theres NOTHING i can do about it, even if i completely kill my estrogen then my body will get harder and drier but my face stays puffy... i guess its related to sodium reabsorption or some kind of shit, but im not willing to go the diuretic route (would be an option if you dont want water retention)...
or you could simply run a ton of deca but low test...
i actually like running low test with high NPP... its a cycle thats COMPLETELY side effect free... keeping test at 200-300mg theres no need for an AI, libido is insane, no bad water retention at all and npp gives an awesome look without that blurryness of test... maybe just try that for a while (npp would be better suited than deca though)
Would you bump Test E or/and Deca throughout the 16 week cycle? Like half way through? Or would you add any new compound? Apart from Tren ::)
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if you dont want tren you could add NPP if gains come to a halt... or orals, but then id save them for that and not run them in any planned out fashion
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You just need to get in the 3 gram range with a oral the 4-5 weeks I would go up to 5 grams use 2mg of methyl tren the first 2 weeks then a week off and 50-100dbol a day 3 weeks on 1 week off
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Insulin would help about 40 iu a day you could gaing 40-50lbs if your lucky I could if I was out of shape which I am and planning on trying to get in shape I'll show you my cycle in a bit I was 300lbs lost a hundred in the hospital was in a coma and died long story not related to steroids what so ever I just decided to stop lifting and drink whiskey listen to the radio 2 years straight
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The meth tren sg
hould be good for 5to10lbs fast the high dose dbol another 10 you can gain 40 lean lb for sure if you hit it hard eat tell your sick and sleep