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Trump and Senate Move Quickly to Repeal Affordable Care Act
NY Times ^ | Jan. 3, 2017 | JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, CHARLIE SAVAGE and JENNIFER STEINHAUER
Posted on 1/3/2017, 4:26:55 PM by Innovative
That didn’t take long.
Before the new members could even be sworn in, Senate Republicans revealed the parliamentary language that congressional Republicans will use to dismantle Mr. Obama’s signature domestic achievement, the Affordable Care Act, without fear of a filibuster by Democrats in the coming months.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
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Trump and Senate Move Quickly to Repeal Affordable Care Act
NY Times ^ | Jan. 3, 2017 | JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, CHARLIE SAVAGE and JENNIFER STEINHAUER
Posted on 1/3/2017, 4:26:55 PM by Innovative
That didn’t take long.
Before the new members could even be sworn in, Senate Republicans revealed the parliamentary language that congressional Republicans will use to dismantle Mr. Obama’s signature domestic achievement, the Affordable Care Act, without fear of a filibuster by Democrats in the coming months.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Nice!
What an epic failure of a presidency.
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Nice!
What an epic failure of a presidency.
He wasted 8 years on total horseshit
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http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/us/politics/donald-trump-transition-hacking.html?_r=0
LOL - Trump tweets on this issue.
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Trump and Senate Move Quickly to Repeal Affordable Care Act
NY Times ^ | Jan. 3, 2017 | JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, CHARLIE SAVAGE and JENNIFER STEINHAUER
Posted on 1/3/2017, 4:26:55 PM by Innovative
That didn’t take long.
Before the new members could even be sworn in, Senate Republicans revealed the parliamentary language that congressional Republicans will use to dismantle Mr. Obama’s signature domestic achievement, the Affordable Care Act, without fear of a filibuster by Democrats in the coming months.
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Watched 2 different cable news networks on this issue while doing cardio this morning.
It's gonna be tricky and here's why:
If they keep "no denial for pre-existing conditions", it's near impossible to dump the required purchase mandate without adding billions to the cost. Somebody has to pay for insuring the higher risk pool.Plus, it's political suicide to dump 20 million people off the Insurance rolls.
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Watched 2 different cable news networks on this issue while doing cardio this morning.
It's gonna be tricky and here's why:
If they keep "no denial for pre-existing conditions", it's near impossible to dump the required purchase mandate without adding billions to the cost. Somebody has to pay for insuring the higher risk pool.Plus, it's political suicide to dump 20 million people off the Insurance rolls.
F em. I'm paying well more than double since this disaster was passed.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/pence-trump-will-sign-executive-orders-to-begin-repealing-obamacare-on-day-1-170144042.html
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F em. I'm paying well more than double since this disaster was passed.
I'm against most forms of social welfare, period. But that's not how it works in congress.
This has become like Medicare and once it's in, people will go crazy if they lose it now
To stop any one provision only requires 51 votes in the senate, which the GOP has.
BUT to add/replace will require 60 votes.
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Watched 2 different cable news networks on this issue while doing cardio this morning.
It's gonna be tricky and here's why:
If they keep "no denial for pre-existing conditions", it's near impossible to dump the required purchase mandate without adding billions to the cost. Somebody has to pay for insuring the higher risk pool.Plus, it's political suicide to dump 20 million people off the Insurance rolls.
It's going to be done in stages. They already noted that it would be a disaster to end healthcare to those who have it and need it.
How this will work with no blueprint in place, I have no idea.
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It's going to be done in stages. They already noted that it would be a disaster to end healthcare to those who have it and need it.
How this will work with no blueprint in place, I have no idea.
Same goes for congressional Republicans
They haven't got any idea how to improve/replace it
They would really just like to repeal it but that would be a political disaster so they'll go through this charade of repealing it and then delay implementation
In my business we call that trying to build the plane while it's in the air
BTW - the monthly preimium on my ACA compliant insurance plan went up by 1.17 cents from last year. A friend of mine on the same plan who is 4 years older than me saw his premium drop by ~ $50
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Obama - or any other president - had NOTHING to do with the rates of insurance going up for some. That was nothing more than corporate greed. Sort of like blaming/crediting the President for high/low gas prices.
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Same goes for congressional Republicans
They haven't got any idea how to improve/replace it
They would really just like to repeal it but that would be a political disaster so they'll go through this charade of repealing it and then delay implementation
In my business we call that trying to build the plane while it's in the air
BTW - the monthly preimium on my ACA complient insurance plan went up by 1.17 cents from last year. A friend of mine on the same plan who is 4 years older than me saw his premium drop by ~ $50
congrats for being on welfare and getting subsidies - your welcome for my charity
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Obama - or any other president - had NOTHING to do with the rates of insurance going up for some. That was nothing more than corporate greed. Sort of like blaming/crediting the President for high/low gas prices.
Except obama promised to lower it $2500 a year and you could keep your plan if you wanted to. Both of those - exact opposite occurred.
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PajamaBoy gonna be crying tonight!
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congrats for being on welfare and getting subsidies - your welcome for my charity
I see you're getting even more stupid
Unlike you I've never been on welfare or subsidies for anything...ever.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/us/politics/the-parliamentary-trick-that-could-obliterate-obamacare.html
Another wave of liberal meltdowns coming.
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I see you're getting even more stupid
Unlike you I've never been on welfare or subsidies for anything...ever.
You are then the only person i have ever met to date whose premiuims and deductibles have not been jacked since they passed this mess
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:D
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You are then the only person i have ever met to date whose premiuims and deductibles have not been jacked since they passed this mess
I'm not on Obamacare per se.
I just said my plan is compliant (as are all plans) with the law
I'm on Kaiser group plan (through professional association) and my monthly premium 396.75 and last year it was 395.58
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/average-health-insurance-premiums-fell-after-obamacare-took-effect-study-says.html
I welcome Trump and the Republicans to improve on coverage and lower rates .
I think we'd all like that and I'm sure Trump and his "very good brain" know exactly how to do that
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I'm not on Obamacare per se.
I just said my plan is compliant (as are all plans) with the law
I'm on Kaiser group plan (through professional association) and my monthly premium 396.75 and last year it was 395.58
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/average-health-insurance-premiums-fell-after-obamacare-took-effect-study-says.html
I welcome Trump and the Republicans to improve on coverage and lower rates .
I think we'd all like that and I'm sure Trump and his "very good brain" know exactly how to do that
Congrats to you - that is not my personal experience or those i know
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Trump Prepares Executive Orders To Begin Obamacare Repeal On "Day One"
ZeroHedge ^ | January 4, 2017
Posted on 01/04/2017 9:03:22 AM PST by Zakeet
With the Senate already having launched the process of repealing Obamacare when, as reported yesterday, Senate Budget Committee Chairman Mike Enzi released a 2017 budget resolution setting up the process to partially repeal Obamacare early in Donald Trump’s administration, on Wednesday vice president-elect Mike Pence met with Republican congressional leaders to plot the strategy of how to repeal Obama's signature healthcare law.
Speaking to House republicans, Pence said Trump plans to take executive actions to start unwinding ObamaCare on day one: "Our first order of business will be to repeal and replace ObamaCare," Pence told reporters, adding the process would begin "day one."
"The speaker of the house used the word ‘stable,’ and we will do that," Pence said at a news conference after a private meeting Wednesday with House Republicans. There’s a "broad range of idea on how to do this," he said, without giving details of what a replacement might look like.
The VP-elect added that “it will be an orderly transition to something better...using executive authority to ensure it’s an orderly transition. We’re working now on a series of executive orders that will enable that orderly transition to take place even as Congress appropriately debates alternatives to and replacements for ObamaCare.”
[Snip]
Incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters Tuesday that Trump considers Inauguration Day as "Day One" of his presidency: "He is prepared and ready to go. As he's said before, he wants to enact real change on day one. That will mean within hours of being sworn in," Spicer said. "He put his team on notice that he expects nothing less than everyone getting right to work for the American people."
(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...
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Obama tells Democrats to ‘stay strong’ in protecting his signature health-care law
Washington Post ^ | Jan. 4, 2017 | Juliet Eilperin and Amy Goldstein
Posted on 1/4/2017, 3:52:23 PM by Innovative
President Obama met behind closed doors Wednesday morning with congressional Democrats to map out a strategy to defend the Affordable Care Act and other health-care policies — the day that Republicans began debate on how to get rid of the far-reaching law.
As sharp political fault lines emerged — with Democrats saying they feel no obligation to devise a new health-care law and Republicans vowing to dismantle the existing one through legislation and executive actions — it could take six months or more to determine what sort of system might replace the ACA.
Obama’s rare visit to Capitol Hill, less than three weeks before Donald Trump assumes the presidency, is part of his administration’s final push to hold onto its achievements before handing over the reins of power in Washington.
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DESPERATE!!!!
Obama is probably finally realizing what a wasted failed and meaningless presidency he has squandered
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Obama tells Democrats to ‘stay strong’ in protecting his signature health-care law
Washington Post ^ | Jan. 4, 2017 | Juliet Eilperin and Amy Goldstein
Posted on 1/4/2017, 3:52:23 PM by Innovative
President Obama met behind closed doors Wednesday morning with congressional Democrats to map out a strategy to defend the Affordable Care Act and other health-care policies — the day that Republicans began debate on how to get rid of the far-reaching law.
As sharp political fault lines emerged — with Democrats saying they feel no obligation to devise a new health-care law and Republicans vowing to dismantle the existing one through legislation and executive actions — it could take six months or more to determine what sort of system might replace the ACA.
Obama’s rare visit to Capitol Hill, less than three weeks before Donald Trump assumes the presidency, is part of his administration’s final push to hold onto its achievements before handing over the reins of power in Washington.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
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DESPERATE!!!!
Obama is probably finally realizing what a wasted failed and meaningless presidency he has squandered
Come in and destroy Obama's legacy with a few pen strokes and all done before lunch on day 1.
Love it.
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With one bill, Republicans fast track plan to undo Obama regs
Reuters ^ | Jan 4, 2017 | Lisa Lambert
The U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation on Wednesday giving Congress the power to kill dozens of recently enacted rules in one fell swoop, as Republicans charged ahead on their campaign to strip down federal regulations.
It was the second time the Republican-dominated chamber took up legislation blocking "midnight rules," those rolled out at the close of a president's term. But the previous bill, introduced in November, had faced a certain veto from President Barack Obama, a Democrat.
On its second day back in session, the House passed the bill on a vote of 238 to 184. The Senate is expected to soon consider companion legislation, which could face a harder time because it would need eight votes from Democrats.
Under a law known as the Congressional Review Act, Congress has the right to review regulations for a certain period of time after they are issued. That means any federal regulation approved since May could be voided by the Republican-led Congress once President-elect Donald Trump moves into the White House and can sign off on their disapproval.
It takes only a simple majority of both chambers to reverse a rule, giving Senate Democrats little power to block a vote with a filibuster.
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
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Filibuster This: Democrats Pay A Huge Price For Gutting The Senate's Supermajority Rule
Investors Business Daily ^ | Jan 04, 2017 4:42 PM ET | Editorial
Posted on 1/5/2017, 7:11:14 AM by expat_panama
Rules: You have to laugh at the Democrats' current plight. They have almost no leverage to block anyone Donald Trump decides to select for judgeships or cabinet posts. They can't stop Republicans from repealing most of ObamaCare. And they only have themselves to blame.
On CNN this week, Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer was lamenting the fact that Democrats wouldn't be able to use the filibuster to stop Trump's nominees.
There should, he said, be "60 votes because on such important positions there should be some degree of bipartisanship."
And who, exactly, is to blame for this? Schumer's predecessor in the Senate's leadership ranks, Harry Reid, who in 2013 eliminated the filibuster for presidential appointments, except to Supreme Court.
Reid did it for short-term political reasons — he wanted to let Obama quickly pack the lower courts with liberal judges...
...all boils down to is that Democrats are now suffering the consequences of their own shortsighted hubris. When they didn't need GOP support in Obama's first two years in office, they didn't lift a finger to get it. And when they did need GOP support, they changed the Senate rules so they no longer would.
Apparently it never occurred to Senate Democrats that they might someday lose control of that chamber, as well as the White House, leaving them largely unable to stop Republicans from undoing what they thought they'd achieved.
(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...
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I'm not on Obamacare per se.
I just said my plan is compliant (as are all plans) with the law
I'm on Kaiser group plan (through professional association) and my monthly premium 396.75 and last year it was 395.58
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/average-health-insurance-premiums-fell-after-obamacare-took-effect-study-says.html
I welcome Trump and the Republicans to improve on coverage and lower rates .
I think we'd all like that and I'm sure Trump and his "very good brain" know exactly how to do that
On the campaign trail , Trump promised to dump Obama-care and replace with something GREAT.
Sounds like the plan to me !
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Except obama promised to lower it $2500 a year and you could keep your plan if you wanted to. Both of those - exact opposite occurred.
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Yes, that is correct he did say that and the exact opposite happened. But that is not Obama's fault. That is 100% corporate greed.
As I have said many times before, the healthcare industry does need to be overhauled and reformed, but the best way to do that is to start with existing healthcare plans and regulate them in a way that prevents the companies from setting their own prices and jacking up the premiums for any reason they wish (like with pre existing conditions.)
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Trump Slams Obamacare, Says Dems Led By 'Head Clown Chuck Schumer'
Townhall.com ^ | 01/05/2016 | Leah Barkoukis
Posted on 01/05/2017 11:47:34 AM PST by Simon Foxx
President-elect Donald Trump took to Twitter Thursday morning to slam Obamacare and Democrats, saying members of Congress from both sides of the aisle need to work together to come up with a better health care plan.
Trump said Democrats, led by “head clown Chuck Schumer,” understand how bad the law is, but they’re not trying to work and fix it. Instead, all they’re doing is blaming, he added...
(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...
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Schumer: I Wish Democrats Hadn’t Triggered the ‘Nuclear Option’
Breitbart ^ | January 4, 2017 | by ADELLE NAZARIAN
Posted on 1/4/2017, 6:32:49 PM by Jim Robinson
Incoming Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) says he regrets a 2013 decision by Senate Democrats, known as the “nuclear option” to decrease the number of senators needed to confirm Cabinet picks from 60 to 51 votes.
“I wish it hadn’t happened,” Schumer said in an interview with CNN, about the move that was triggered by former Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid (D-NV).
The move is dubbed the “nuclear option” because by altering the filibuster rules it stands to blow up bipartisan Senate relations.
“I argued against it at the time,” Schumer said. “I said both for Supreme Court and in Cabinet should be 60, because on such important positions there should be some degree of bipartisanship. I won on Supreme Court, lost on Cabinet. But, that’s what we have to live with now.”
Republicans hold a 52-48 majority in the new Senate which means they already have the number needed to confirm Trump’s nominees without the Democrats. However, the Democrats have still vowed to fight against the picks. Schumer and his fellow Democratic senators will aggressively target eight of President-elect Donald Trump’s Cabinet picks, which he refers to as “rigged.”
“If Republicans think they can quickly jam through a whole slate of nominees without a fair hearing process, they’re sorely mistaken,” Schumer said recently...
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...