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Title: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on February 13, 2017, 07:34:51 PM
In Out Like Flynn


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: The Ugly on February 13, 2017, 08:41:52 PM
In Out Like Flynn


"Compromised," imagine that.

Will Putin accept his resignation, though?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 13, 2017, 08:47:46 PM
Well that was quick...
"Drain the swamp"
Haha this is gonna be a shit show


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 13, 2017, 10:18:33 PM
 Before giving it a few days until the story is clarified, the Marxists (liberals) spew on a few minutes after the story is released without knowing the real story. None of us know yet. Period.

But let me make THIS clear. I don't recall him going on five political shows not including outside interviews saying that it was "video" that caused the Benghazi attacks and being a literal accessory to the murder of four Americans.....your turn!


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: The Ugly on February 13, 2017, 10:39:00 PM
Wait, all the FAKE NEWS libtards on lamestream media say he resigned, but they just lie. Conway said today the president has "full confidence" in Flynn, and she's always 100% (unless they CGIed her words the way they do).

He's probably fine.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 13, 2017, 10:47:29 PM
Wait, all the FAKE NEWS libtards on lamestream media say he resigned, but they just lie. Conway said today the president has "full confidence" in Flynn, and she's always 100% (unless they CGIed her words the way they do).

He's probably fine.

Very 240esk. You know he lost every battle


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: The Ugly on February 14, 2017, 01:43:21 AM
Very 240esk. You know he lost every battle

"esk"?

Very you.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 14, 2017, 03:51:38 AM
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Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 14, 2017, 03:56:49 AM
Heard Tillerson gave Putin the reach around treatment too

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Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Skeeter on February 14, 2017, 04:36:44 AM
"I will hire all the best people."
-Donald J Trump


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 14, 2017, 06:39:51 AM
"I will hire all the best people."
-Donald J Trump

At least Flynn had the integrity to step down and Trump had the integrity to accept. To think all it took was the murder of four Americans and multiple political shows to get caught in a blatant lie for Rice, Obama and Clinton with still an ongoing investigation even after they're out office to realize what we knew all along


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Skeeter on February 14, 2017, 06:52:19 AM
At least Flynn had the integrity to step down and Trump had the integrity to accept. To think all it took was the murder of four Americans and multiple political shows to get caught in a blatant lie for Rice, Obama and Clinton with still an ongoing investigation even after they're out office to realize what we knew all along

Way to change the subject fuckwit. Pull trump's shriveled balls out of your mouth.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: James on February 14, 2017, 07:00:11 AM
This is actually a very ominous warning to all of the traitors in this country. This administration has set a new bar and is abiding by its ethical standards. This is a good thing to do before Sessions begins to unleash his purge of the establishment. This sets the standard which is going to be enforced throughout the government. Leading by example is the best way.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 14, 2017, 07:06:17 AM
This is actually a very ominous warning to all of the traitors in this country. This administration has set a new bar and is abiding by its ethical standards. This is a good thing to do before Sessions begins to unleash his purge of the establishment. This sets the standard which is going to be enforced throughout the government. Leading by example is the best way.

Amen,

From what is being reported, Priebus is next to get lost


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on February 14, 2017, 07:22:26 AM
well, the good news is that Flynn Jr is back on Twitter.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 14, 2017, 08:39:05 AM
Hahahaha you guys are so damn transparent. How in the fuck do you spin Flynn resignation as a good thing and a win for trump. You muthafuckas are hilarious. I was wondering if anyone was gonna try to Conway this shit but lol and behold, y'all conwaying for free.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 14, 2017, 08:41:42 AM
Hahahaha you guys are so damn transparent. How in the fuck do you spin Flynn resignation as a good thing and a win for trump. You muthafuckas are hilarious. I was wondering if anyone was gonna try to Conway this shit but lol and behold, y'all conwaying for free.

Obama stuck with his losers like powers, holders, geithner, hillary and rice,.   At least this guy is gone now. 

Now go get your shine box. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 14, 2017, 08:44:14 AM
Obama stuck with his losers like powers, holders, geithner, hillary and rice,.   At least this guy is gone now. 

Now go get your shine box. 


Aye I swear to god that I just busted out laughing at this...

"Now go get your shine box"


Hahahahahah get cho little ass out of here.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Coach is Back! on February 14, 2017, 08:46:45 AM
Hahahaha you guys are so damn transparent. How in the fuck do you spin Flynn resignation as a good thing and a win for trump. You muthafuckas are hilarious. I was wondering if anyone was gonna try to Conway this shit but lol and behold, y'all conwaying for free.

WTF are you talking about? He's out before anyone potentially got killed unlike the Obama administration that covered up their intentional murders and then lied about it. Go ahead, deny it.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 14, 2017, 08:51:56 AM
So he does or doesn't have the full confidence and support of the president...

Is he part of the "best people" Trump was talking about hiring...

Dude, trump fucked up. He's human. Admit it and move on. Sucking this dudes balls makes you look silly. Dude fucked up, that's it. Jesus Christ you guys are insane with the partisanship. It has to be exhausting.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 14, 2017, 08:52:12 AM

Aye I swear to god that I just busted out laughing at this...

"Now go get your shine box"


Hahahahahah get cho little ass out of here.

Ok chubbs - whatever you say. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: The Ugly on February 14, 2017, 09:45:34 AM
Snowflakes still melting over Obama, now melting over this clown.

Double-melt, very alpha.

Shitshow just started, buttercup. Suck it up.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: mazrim on February 14, 2017, 10:05:25 AM
Snowflakes still melting over Obama, now melting over this clown.

Double-melt, very alpha.

Shitshow just started, buttercup. Suck it up.
^
 :'(


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 14, 2017, 11:29:32 AM
Obviously this is a bad thing.

WTF are you talking about? He's out before anyone potentially got killed unlike the Obama administration that covered up their intentional murders and then lied about it. Go ahead, deny it.

Which intentional murders are you speaking of?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2017, 12:17:19 PM
So he does or doesn't have the full confidence and support of the president...

Is he part of the "best people" Trump was talking about hiring...

Dude, trump fucked up. He's human. Admit it and move on. Sucking this dudes balls makes you look silly. Dude fucked up, that's it. Jesus Christ you guys are insane with the partisanship. It has to be exhausting.

As a partisan, you would know.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2017, 12:19:20 PM
Very disappointed in this guy.  No way did he "forget" to tell Pence about the substance of his conversation.  I'm all about forgiveness and I like him, but he needed to go.

And get this:  someone misled people and was fired.  Big contrast from President Obama and his people (Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, etc.).   


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: James on February 14, 2017, 12:39:08 PM

And get this:  someone misled people and was fired.  Big contrast from President Obama and his people (Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, etc.).    



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Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 14, 2017, 01:36:56 PM
As a partisan, you would know.

See the problem with this assertion is that it's completely inaccurate. See, I criticized all of Obamas policies I didn't agree with. But I'll say it again for the record. Didn't like ACA.... didn't like the GITMO promise that was never kept. Didn't like the lack of infrastructure spending on the bail out. Was pissed no one from wall street was prosecuted for the financial fall out among other things. . And this is like the 20th time I put this list


You would have to be a complete asshole to like everything someone does.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 14, 2017, 01:38:03 PM
You ain't never seen me spin no shit like this for Obama.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2017, 01:54:08 PM
See the problem with this assertion is that it's completely inaccurate. See, I criticized all of Obamas policies I didn't agree with. But I'll say it again for the record. Didn't like ACA.... didn't like the GITMO promise that was never kept. Didn't like the lack of infrastructure spending on the bail out. Was pissed no one from wall street was prosecuted for the financial fall out among other things. . And this is like the 20th time I put this list


You would have to be a complete asshole to like everything someone does.

Yes you criticized Obama on occasion for not being liberal enough. 

I don't think there is anything wrong with someone liking everything someone does.  People are entitled to their own opinions, beliefs, etc.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Nick Danger on February 14, 2017, 02:04:40 PM


I don't think there is anything wrong with someone liking everything someone does.  People are entitled to their own opinions, beliefs, etc.

Then they wouldn't be their own opinions and beliefs...


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2017, 02:09:04 PM
Then they wouldn't be their own opinions and beliefs...

Why not?  They might have the same opinions and beliefs. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 14, 2017, 02:54:17 PM
Yes you criticized Obama on occasion for not being liberal enough. 

I don't think there is anything wrong with someone liking everything someone does.  People are entitled to their own opinions, beliefs, etc.

Yes which means I wasn't partisan.

To be in lock step with everyone's belief is fucking insane


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2017, 03:45:19 PM
Yes which means I wasn't partisan.

To be in lock step with everyone's belief is fucking insane

Uh, no.  Saying someone isn't liberal enough isn't being nonpartisan.  Supporting candidates regardless of party is being nonpartisan. 

I disagree that people cannot share the same beliefs.  Nothing insane about that.  What's insane is entire groups of people supporting a party that does nothing for them, repeatedly voting against their own self interests. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 14, 2017, 03:52:15 PM
Uh, no.  Saying someone isn't liberal enough isn't being nonpartisan.  Supporting candidates regardless of party is being nonpartisan. 

I disagree that people cannot share the same beliefs.  Nothing insane about that.  What's insane is entire groups of people supporting a party that does nothing for them, repeatedly voting against their own self interests. 

Both parties have tons of people that this describes is the unfortunate reality.



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2017, 04:08:31 PM
Both parties have tons of people that this describes is the unfortunate reality.



Yep.  That's partly why we have so many hacks running the country. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 14, 2017, 05:05:06 PM
Yep.  That's partly why we have so many hacks running the country. 

No lie.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 14, 2017, 05:41:03 PM
At least Flynn had the integrity to step down and Trump had the integrity to accept. To think all it took was the murder of four Americans and multiple political shows to get caught in a blatant lie for Rice, Obama and Clinton with still an ongoing investigation even after they're out office to realize what we knew all along


Absolute trash post. Flynn's stepping down had nothing to do with integrity. No one- not even you- believes that. The only reason anyone cares about that phone call is because  it is yet more evidence of this administration's seedy ties to Russia. This is Trump's third crony to step down because of collusion with Russia. As much as psychopath repugs like you want to pretend that Benghazi was the darkest liberal conspiracy of the last 20 years, Kevin McCarthy admitted that the investigations were just political theater to hurt Clinton's election chances. That's not the case here.


Uh, no.  Saying someone isn't liberal enough isn't being nonpartisan.  Supporting candidates regardless of party is being nonpartisan. 

Giving Kelly Ann Conjob a run for her money  ::)


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 14, 2017, 05:44:30 PM
The conwaying is strong in this room. It's for real laughable to see what we've become. I thought we were elite, a cut above.. seems like I was mistaken.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: The Ugly on February 14, 2017, 05:45:41 PM

Absolute trash post. Flynn's stepping down had nothing to do with integrity. No one- not even you- believes that. The only reason anyone cares about that phone call is because  it is yet more evidence of this administration's seedy ties to Russia. This is Trump's third crony to step down because of collusion with Russia. As much as psychopath repugs like you want to pretend that Benghazi was the darkest liberal conspiracy of the last 20 years, Kevin McCarthy admitted that the investigations were just political theater to hurt Clinton's election chances. That's not the case here.


Giving Kelly Ann Conjob a run for her money  ::)

You'd be surprised, bro.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2017, 05:52:34 PM

Absolute trash post. Flynn's stepping down had nothing to do with integrity. No one- not even you- believes that. The only reason anyone cares about that phone call is because  it is yet more evidence of this administration's seedy ties to Russia. This is Trump's third crony to step down because of collusion with Russia. As much as psychopath repugs like you want to pretend that Benghazi was the darkest liberal conspiracy of the last 20 years, Kevin McCarthy admitted that the investigations were just political theater to hurt Clinton's election chances. That's not the case here.


Giving Kelly Ann Conjob a run for her money  ::)

Seedy ties to Russia.  lol.  Cue the sinister music and smoke-filled room.  All we need is a Vincent Price voice over. 

"Psychopath repugs."  That is the funniest thing I've heard today.  After watching how liberals have been literally been acting like crazy people, assaulting folks, setting fires, destroying property, babbling, etc.  That's really funny. 

You people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome have really set the bar too high for yourselves.  There really isn't anywhere to go after making such repeated, ridiculous comments and allegations.  Unless you take a page from the partisans who hated Bill Clinton and start accusing Trump of murder.  That's probably next. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 14, 2017, 06:10:31 PM
You'd be surprised, bro.


Whilst others may be, I can assure you most assuredly, I wouldn't be. And that's the bee's knees.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 14, 2017, 06:14:42 PM
Seedy ties to Russia.  lol.  Cue the sinister music and smoke-filled room.  All we need is a Vincent Price voice over. 

"Psychopath repugs."  That is the funniest thing I've heard today.  After watching how liberals have been literally been acting like crazy people, assaulting folks, setting fires, destroying property, babbling, etc.  That's really funny. 

You people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome have really set the bar too high for yourselves.  There really isn't anywhere to go after making such repeated, ridiculous comments and allegations.  Unless you take a page from the partisans who hated Bill Clinton and start accusing Trump of murder.  That's probably next. 

Allegations like "The president is ineligible because his really from Africa"

Like that?

Fuckin guys disgust me


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2017, 06:18:58 PM
Allegations like "The president is ineligible because his really from Africa"

Like that?

Fuckin guys disgust me

Oh no, they have greatly surpassed the birther nonsense.  But if you're a partisan, you may not be able to see Trump Derangement Syndrome in full effect. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 14, 2017, 06:23:05 PM
A question I have about this.

How much worse are the protests or whatever for the Trump presidency when comparing to the Tea Party protests when Obama took office?

Were there Tea Party riots in 2008?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 14, 2017, 06:28:50 PM
A question I have about this.

How much worse are the protests or whatever for the Trump presidency when comparing to the Tea Party protests when Obama took office?

Were there Tea Party riots in 2008?

I haven't seen anything like this in the recent past.  I don't recall Tea Party riots.  Or Tea Party members acting like fascists, beating people up, burning down buildings, etc.  This is a new level of craziness. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 14, 2017, 06:38:48 PM
I haven't seen anything like this in the recent past.  I don't recall Tea Party riots.  Or Tea Party members acting like fascists, beating people up, burning down buildings, etc.  This is a new level of craziness. 

I think I agree with you. I don't recall the protests being quite so destructive.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 15, 2017, 03:06:03 AM
Allegations like "The president is ineligible because his really from Africa"

Like that?

Fuckin guys disgust me

Hey fatty - that started because of what obama told the editor of the school paper remember ?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 15, 2017, 09:06:53 AM
Hey fatty - that started because of what obama told the editor of the school paper remember ?

He's not fat.

I'm fat.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 15, 2017, 09:14:00 AM
What's considered fat? I'm definitely not stage ready...  :'(


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 15, 2017, 09:15:28 AM
He's not fat.

I'm fat.


option D has 3 chins for F's sake. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 15, 2017, 09:53:37 AM
Lol yeah I'm fat ::)


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 15, 2017, 10:09:46 AM
Seedy ties to Russia.  lol.  Cue the sinister music and smoke-filled room.  All we need is a Vincent Price voice over. 

 ::)

Senators from both parties pledge to deepen probe of Russia and the 2016 election
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/top-senate-republican-blunt-says-congress-should-probe-flynn-situation/2017/02/14/8abbcad4-f2d5-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html?utm_term=.941909aa3d19


LOL @ these partisan hacks overreacting. I'm not kidding myself that these investigations will be anything other than a kneepadding joke, but they know exactly why they have to play this game for the press.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 15, 2017, 10:10:57 AM
Fat and lovin it


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 15, 2017, 10:17:35 AM
I haven't seen anything like this in the recent past.  I don't recall Tea Party riots.  Or Tea Party members acting like fascists, beating people up, burning down buildings, etc.  This is a new level of craziness.  


The liberals are usually younger and a lot of misdirected useless "protest" styles are used. Super silly and counterproductive. Tea party was bat shot crazy but organized. The are young lib protest groups that are crying and throwing tantrums.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 15, 2017, 10:17:50 AM
Fat and lovin it

Can you open a water bottle?

 ;D


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 15, 2017, 10:28:54 AM
Fat and lovin it

Bloofy


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 15, 2017, 10:31:44 AM
Bloofy

Um ok 😌


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 15, 2017, 10:34:38 AM
Bloofy

I don't think bloofy means what you think it means.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 15, 2017, 10:34:52 AM
Um ok 😌

I'm just busting balls.   Im glad you got your situation under control before you went off the deep end and ended up on "My 600lb life" 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 15, 2017, 10:36:12 AM
Back to subject:

BREAKING: Trump has offered national security adviser job to Vice Admiral Robert Harward - sources.


Dude's a former SEAL, and Mad Dog Mattis approved


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 15, 2017, 12:48:52 PM
Flynn's firing was a sign of Trump having integrity and high ethical standards?

Quote
“I think he’s been treated very, very unfairly by the media — as I call it, the ‘fake media,’ in many cases — and I think it’s really a sad thing that he was treated so badly,” Trump said at a news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “I think in addition to that, from intelligence, papers are being leaked, things are being leaked.”


WTF?!  ??? Even he is not playing  along with that narrative.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/15/trump-reveled-in-leaks-that-hurt-hillary-clinton-he-now-calls-administration-disclosures-un-american/?utm_term=.7f9ef70cb9ac


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: SaintAnger on February 15, 2017, 12:56:37 PM
This is the undoing of the Trump Administration, right here.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 15, 2017, 01:07:42 PM
Back to subject:

BREAKING: Trump has offered national security adviser job to Vice Admiral Robert Harward - sources.


Dude's a former SEAL, and Mad Dog Mattis approved


As long as we don't get into another war over oil or some shit that continues to stretch US resources that we CAN NOT afford to pay for.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 15, 2017, 04:04:30 PM
::)

Senators from both parties pledge to deepen probe of Russia and the 2016 election
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/top-senate-republican-blunt-says-congress-should-probe-flynn-situation/2017/02/14/8abbcad4-f2d5-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html?utm_term=.941909aa3d19


LOL @ these partisan hacks overreacting. I'm not kidding myself that these investigations will be anything other than a kneepadding joke, but they know exactly why they have to play this game for the press.

I wonder if they are going to investigate the "seedy ties" to Russia?  This could be a blockbuster.  Maybe there is evidence that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate??  :o


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 15, 2017, 04:05:55 PM

The liberals are usually younger and a lot of misdirected useless "protest" styles are used. Super silly and counterproductive. Tea party was bat shot crazy but organized. The are young lib protest groups that are crying and throwing tantrums.

They're doing a whole lot more than throwing tantrums.  These people are dangerous. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 15, 2017, 04:06:48 PM
I wonder if they are going to investigate the "seedy ties" to Russia?  This could be a blockbuster.  Maybe there is evidence that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate??  :o

If there is. We will never know.

Well. I say that now.

My mind says that if they find this out, that for the sake of the nation, they would have Trump step down and he would do so quietly without issue.

Of course can you really say any of us know what Trump would actually do? He may just stand up and say F you to everyone.



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 15, 2017, 04:24:17 PM
I wonder if they are going to investigate the "seedy ties" to Russia?  This could be a blockbuster.  Maybe there is evidence that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate??  :o

From article:

Quote
“We are aggressively going to continue the oversight responsibilities of the committee as it relates to not only the Russian involvement in the 2016 election, but again any contacts by any campaign individuals that might have happened with Russian government officials,” said Burr, the chairman of the intelligence panel.

Added Warner, the vice chairman, “The press reports are troubling, and the sooner we can get to the veracity of those press reports or not, then we’ll take the next appropriate step.”

I guess you are convincing yourself that you are being sarcastic and trying to figure out new ways to misinterpret what I wrote. I guess this will be like that time you spent however many pages pretending you didn't know what a vaccine was.  ::)


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 15, 2017, 04:25:50 PM
They're doing a whole lot more than throwing tantrums.  These people are dangerous. 

Of course


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 15, 2017, 04:41:56 PM
If there is. We will never know.

Well. I say that now.

My mind says that if they find this out, that for the sake of the nation, they would have Trump step down and he would do so quietly without issue.

Of course can you really say any of us know what Trump would actually do? He may just stand up and say F you to everyone.



You really think it's possible that Trump is some kind of Russian puppet? 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 15, 2017, 04:44:23 PM
From article:

I guess you are convincing yourself that you are being sarcastic and trying to figure out new ways to misinterpret what I wrote. I guess this will be like that time you spent however many pages pretending you didn't know what a vaccine was.  ::)

It's not really sarcasm.  It's mocking.  I understand you folks have lost your mind since the election.  The talking points from the highest levels of government hacks to message board trolls include Russia somehow manipulating the outcome of our election that resulted in Trump winning the election.  It's stupid on a 9/11 Troofer level.  I find it pretty amusing.   :)


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 15, 2017, 05:27:14 PM
You really think it's possible that Trump is some kind of Russian puppet? 

Unwillingly?

Possibly. I can't really say for sure.

Here's what I do think is accurate. Trump loves to be loved. If the Russian government buddies up to him, his desire to be liked could allow them to plant seeds into his head.

I'm not saying that it is happening or has.

However, I have to ask this.

When did Trump know about this? Reports are that he knew 18 days before everyone else.

Reports are also that he hid this from his own VP.

Why?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: The Ugly on February 15, 2017, 05:48:31 PM
I just think it's funny watching Trump insult the IC on Twitter. Because this is always smart, piss off those who don't trust/respect you, and who probably already got enough dirt to put you in prison. Gonna get good here soon.

Impeachment, resignation, national disgrace. Better, even, than assassination.




Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 15, 2017, 05:54:26 PM
Unwillingly?

Possibly. I can't really say for sure.

Here's what I do think is accurate. Trump loves to be loved. If the Russian government buddies up to him, his desire to be liked could allow them to plant seeds into his head.

I'm not saying that it is happening or has.

However, I have to ask this.

When did Trump know about this? Reports are that he knew 18 days before everyone else.

Reports are also that he hid this from his own VP.

Why?

This is sort of like the birther stuff.  When you step back and think about it, it really makes no sense.  

If I'm following the current line of thinking about these "seedy Russian ties" (not by you):

1.  At some point during the presidential election cycle, someone from the Russian government was in contact with Trump in an effort to gain some kind of favor if he was elected president.  

2.  Someone in the Russian government then worked with WikiLeaks to hack Podesta's email, obtaining truthful information, which WikiLeaks then released, in cooperation with Trump.

3.  The release of this information caused Trump to be elected president.  

4.  Trump is now beholden to Russia, and will be doing some unspecified acts that benefit Russia.  

Sounds pretty loony.  


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 15, 2017, 05:59:48 PM
This is sort of like the birther stuff.  When you step back and think about it, it really makes no sense.  

If I'm following the current line of thinking about these "seedy Russian ties" (not by you):

1.  At some point during the presidential election cycle, someone from the Russian government was in contact with Trump in an effort to gain some kind of favor if he was elected president.  

2.  Someone in the Russian government then worked with WikiLeaks to hack Podesta's email, obtaining truthful information, which WikiLeaks then released, in cooperation with Trump.

3.  The release of this information caused Trump to be elected president.  

4.  Trump is now beholden to Russia, and will be doing some unspecified acts that benefit Russia.  

Sounds pretty loony.  

I don't think it's a beholden type of thing.

More of a if someone were to nudge trump to do something that just happens to benefit Russia, he might be convinced to do it. Not like he HAS to do it.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 15, 2017, 06:09:40 PM
I don't think it's a beholden type of thing.

More of a if someone were to nudge trump to do something that just happens to benefit Russia, he might be convinced to do it. Not like he HAS to do it.

But what about how crazy this conspiracy theory is?  Like most of these nutty theories, when you actually piece them together from start to finish, they don't make sense.  There are gaping holes.  No way Russia would have targeted Trump, who nobody believed had a snowball's chance.  They would have targeted someone who they thought was electable. 

I actually Hillary is a more logical target, particularly given all of the foreign money she took.   


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 15, 2017, 06:14:20 PM
until an official transcript of the phone call/calls are released, it's natural to remain skeptical.

Remember, these are the same 3-letter agencies that swore that there were WMD's, were involved in Fast and Furious, supplied "rebels" with guns/ammo, etc., etc., etc.

feels like the remnants of previous administrations are "marking their territory" so-to-speak


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 15, 2017, 06:20:59 PM
until an official transcript of the phone call/calls are released, it's natural to remain skeptical.

Remember, these are the same 3-letter agencies that swore that there were WMD's, were involved in Fast and Furious, supplied "rebels" with guns/ammo, etc., etc., etc.

feels like the remnants of previous administrations are "marking their territory" so-to-speak

Skeptical of what?  That someone in the Russian government worked with Trump to help him get elected with the intent of gaining favors? 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 15, 2017, 06:21:08 PM
It's not really sarcasm.  It's mocking.
Once again, displaying how your understanding of English is unique from the way most other English speakers use it.  :-\


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I understand you folks have lost your mind since the election.  The talking points from the highest levels of government hacks to message board trolls include Russia somehow manipulating the outcome of our election that resulted in Trump winning the election.  It's stupid on a 9/11 Troofer level.  I find it pretty amusing.   :)

Julian Assange was open about the fact that the hacks were meant to influence the election. There are members on this board who say the hacks influenced their votes, as well as members who say the hacks should have influenced others' votes. GOP House members are calling for an investigation (albeit, one that will most likely be toothless) into Trumpites contact with Russia. The stupidity is in pretending all of that is  a leftist conspiracy.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 15, 2017, 06:32:48 PM
Once again, displaying how your understanding of English is unique from the way most other English speakers use it.  :-\


Julian Assange was open about the fact that the hacks were meant to influence the election. There are members on this board who say the hacks influenced their votes, as well as members who say the hacks should have influenced others' votes. GOP House members are calling for an investigation (albeit, one that will most likely be toothless) into Trumpites contact with Russia. The stupidity is in pretending all of that is  a leftist conspiracy.


I know I'm wasting my time with you, but for the benefit of anyone else who might be reading, you can mock someone without using sarcasm.

Wait.  So the truthful information released by WikiLeaks "influenced" the election?  Is that why Trump won?  It wasn't because Hillary was incredibly dishonest and one of the most unpopular and least trustworthy presidential candidates in American history? 

Investigation into what?  Go ahead and say it.  You believe Putin conspired with Trump, while Trump was a candidate, to try and "rig" the election so Trump would win, and subsequently gain some kind of favors from Trump.  Go ahead and say it, so I can mock you some more.   ;D   


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 15, 2017, 06:40:26 PM
Skeptical of what?  That someone in the Russian government worked with Trump to help him get elected with the intent of gaining favors? 

Touché.



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 15, 2017, 06:47:19 PM
But what about how crazy this conspiracy theory is?  Like most of these nutty theories, when you actually piece them together from start to finish, they don't make sense.  There are gaping holes.  No way Russia would have targeted Trump, who nobody believed had a snowball's chance.  They would have targeted someone who they thought was electable. 

I actually Hillary is a more logical target, particularly given all of the foreign money she took.   

Oh. I agree. It really is pretty out there.

Even when I type it out myself it just seems kooky.

I don't say it with any real seriousness either. It's just random drivel in this instance. I agree there are holes and you are absolutely right, Hillary would be a more likely target.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 15, 2017, 07:36:16 PM
I know I'm wasting my time with you, but for the benefit of anyone else who might be reading, you can mock someone without using sarcasm.

Yes, but when you mock someone by USING sarcasm that is not mocking someone without using sarcasm. Unless when you said that Trump might be a Manchurian candidate you actually meant that?  ???


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Wait.  So the truthful information released by WikiLeaks "influenced" the election?  Is that why Trump won?  It wasn't because Hillary was incredibly dishonest and one of the most unpopular and least trustworthy presidential candidates in American history?  
Yeah, it's not like people take more than one thing into consideration when they vote or anything. It's not like both candidates were considered subpar (weren't you anti-Trump for most of the primaries?) and curated email leaks could have had an adverse impact on Clinton's campaign in a tight race. It's not like Clinton's polling numbers took hits as a result of email leaks and subsequent investigations. (There is an extended example of sarcasm.HTH)

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Investigation into what?  Go ahead and say it.  You believe Putin conspired with Trump, while Trump was a candidate, to try and "rig" the election so Trump would win, and subsequently gain some kind of favors from Trump.  Go ahead and say it, so I can mock you some more.   ;D  
So, wait... I'm not even sure what you're asking me here. Are you claiming that the bipartisan calls to investigate Trumpites ties to Russia are a figment of my imagination?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 15, 2017, 07:38:58 PM
I agree there are holes and you are absolutely right, Hillary would be a more likely target.

 ??? This makes no sense. Strategically,  the point of targeting Trump was that he was an outsider who had expressed favorable views of Russia. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Las Vegas on February 15, 2017, 08:43:39 PM
If Bill Clinton had a hand in Trump running (I can't believe otherwise) due to thinking "this guy can't get elected" like practically everyone else thought, then what does it say.

If they get Trump, that's where they'd better look next: Bill Clinton.

But seriously, no.  Too many unconnected dots and too long a way to go to pin anything on anyone, from the info we have.  Could be more fake news.

None of it makes sense ATM, so the story should be investigated correctly or dropped.  Quit bothering us with this bull.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Las Vegas on February 15, 2017, 09:56:26 PM
By what I've seen, this involves an accusation of "influencing" of some sort.

So I'd like to ask this:

In what way should it be said, that "influence" was gained?  What is the presumed thought-process involved with those who were "influenced" as is claimed?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 15, 2017, 10:26:54 PM
??? This makes no sense. Strategically,  the point of targeting Trump was that he was an outsider who had expressed favorable views of Russia. 

He just said some stuff at that point.

Plus, what DX says is right. He was unlikely to win. Why waste effort on the loser?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 15, 2017, 11:57:20 PM
He just said some stuff at that point.

Plus, what DX says is right. He was unlikely to win. Why waste effort on the loser?


No, Donald's praise of Putin was extensive and effusive. Here's an article that details exactly how much Donald wanted to suck Putin off:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/trump-putin-timeline

On top of that Putin already had an established rocky relationship with Clinton and she was part of the administration that collapsed the ruble.

If you were Putin and you were going to tamper with the election, who do you think would be more beholden to you: the frontrunner with whom you have a long, icy history or the underdog who has a mancrush on you and whose most prominent staff have assorted high-dollar,high-level business dealings in your country?The underdog whose multiple bankruptcies resulted in American banks refusing to lend to him and who allegedly won't release his tax returns because it would detail the size of debt he owes to Russian banks? Gee, which one would be more thankful?

It was relatively little effort for an extraordinary amount to gain. Do you realize how much a favorable relationship with the US would benefit Russia? Even ignoring the possibility of Trump and Putin colluding to sway the election, just having Trump in the White House would have been way more advantageous for Russia than having Hillary there. So, no, it wasn't a zero sum game. And, sure, Trump was the underdog, but he was hardly an astronomical longshot. Here's a link to a thread I started in September of 2015 commenting on his momentum and the likelihood he would clinch the Republican nomination:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=579450.0  


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 16, 2017, 04:51:51 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/how-putin-s-russia-gained-control-of-a-u-s-uranium-mine (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/how-putin-s-russia-gained-control-of-a-u-s-uranium-mine)


 ::)


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 16, 2017, 04:54:55 AM
Intelligence Official: Transcripts Of Flynn's Calls Don't Show Criminal Wrongdoing

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing)

A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, although the official noted that doesn't rule out the possibility of illegal actions.

The official also says that there are recordings as well as transcripts of the calls, and that the transcripts don't suggest Flynn was acting under orders in his conversations.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 16, 2017, 04:56:54 AM
Intelligence Official: Transcripts Of Flynn's Calls Don't Show Criminal Wrongdoing

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing)

A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, although the official noted that doesn't rule out the possibility of illegal actions.

The official also says that there are recordings as well as transcripts of the calls, and that the transcripts don't suggest Flynn was acting under orders in his conversations.

Liberals are already in a frenzy - dont bother them w reality. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 16, 2017, 04:57:09 AM
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

- Eisenhower's Farewell Address, 1961

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P50GwRI3W0


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2017, 09:44:01 AM
Yes, but when you mock someone by USING sarcasm that is not mocking someone without using sarcasm. Unless when you said that Trump might be a Manchurian candidate you actually meant that?  ???

Yeah, it's not like people take more than one thing into consideration when they vote or anything. It's not like both candidates were considered subpar (weren't you anti-Trump for most of the primaries?) and curated email leaks could have had an adverse impact on Clinton's campaign in a tight race. It's not like Clinton's polling numbers took hits as a result of email leaks and subsequent investigations. (There is an extended example of sarcasm.HTH)
So, wait... I'm not even sure what you're asking me here. Are you claiming that the bipartisan calls to investigate Trumpites ties to Russia are a figment of my imagination?

Oh so now you're acknowledging that you can mock someone without using sarcasm?  Good.  

I was a Never Trump voter.  Did not vote for him.  After the election, I gave him a clean slate and want to give him a chance to lead.  

But back to these "seedy Russian ties."  If the conspiracy differs from how I outlined it earlier, walk me through exactly how this whole thing worked.  


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 16, 2017, 09:47:12 AM

 And, sure, Trump was the underdog, but he was hardly an astronomical longshot. Here's a link to a thread I started in September of 2015 commenting on his momentum and the likelihood he would clinch the Republican nomination:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=579450.0  

Trump was not an astronomical longshot??  lol   

Here is what you said, from your own link:

He's so at odds with what the GOP has claimed to stand for for the last quarter century that I find it hard to believe that the nomination is a lock for him. However, there's no denying that he has a ton of momentum. If he wins the nomination, will this mark a major idealogical shift for the GOP? They've had a bit of a personality crisis  for a while now. For the last few election cycles it seems like they get really excited over anyone who's not business as usual, then just wind up abandoning that person for Boringum McTypicalPolitician.

You didn't say he was likely to win the nomination.  "Alternative facts." 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 19, 2017, 08:07:14 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5BfzDlWMAEf9uG.jpg:large)

but Gen. Flynn, ammirite?!


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 19, 2017, 09:02:15 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5BfzDlWMAEf9uG.jpg:large)

but Gen. Flynn, ammirite?!

Didn't Trump just get some trademark rights from China as well?

Kind of weird how that worked out no?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 19, 2017, 09:46:12 AM
Didn't Trump just get some trademark rights from China as well?

Kind of weird how that worked out no?

Didn't Clinton approve the sell of uranium to Russia as well?

Kind of weird how that worked out no?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 19, 2017, 09:53:50 AM
Didn't Clinton approve the sell of uranium to Russia as well?

Kind of weird how that worked out no?

Actually. It's a little more complicated.

Now. She may have. But it's hard to find who voted for what. Here's some bullet items I found. I do make the assumption that she signed off on the deal.

Copied:




The mines, mills, and land the company holds in the US account for 20 percent of the US’s uranium production capacity, not actual produced uranium.

The State Department was one of nine federal agencies and a number of additional independent federal and state regulators that signed off on the deal.

President Obama, not Secretary Clinton, was the only person who could’ve vetoed the deal.

Since Russia doesn’t have the legal right to export uranium out of the US, its main goal was likely to gain access to the company’s uranium assets in Kazakhstan.

Crucially, the main national security concern was not about nuclear weapons proliferation, as Trump suggests, but actually ensuring the US doesn’t have to depend too much on uranium sources from abroad, as the US only makes about 20 percent of the uranium it needs. An advantage in making nuclear weapons wasn’t the main issue because, as PolitiFact notes, “the United States and Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.”


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 19, 2017, 11:10:02 AM
Intelligence Official: Transcripts Of Flynn's Calls Don't Show Criminal Wrongdoing

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing)

A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, although the official noted that doesn't rule out the possibility of illegal actions.

The official also says that there are recordings as well as transcripts of the calls, and that the transcripts don't suggest Flynn was acting under orders in his conversations.

So why did Trump Fire him?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 19, 2017, 11:56:58 AM
Trump was not an astronomical longshot??  lol   

Here is what you said, from your own link:

You didn't say he was likely to win the nomination.  "Alternative facts." 

 ??? Right  in the quote you posted I say he has a ton of momentum. Exactly where you bolded, I said why I didn't think he was a lock. The entire point of the thread was about him being the likely nominee. "Likely" =/= "lock"  ::)


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 19, 2017, 12:06:13 PM
Oh so now you're acknowledging that you can mock someone without using sarcasm?  Good.  

I nevers said that you can't mock someone without sarcasm. What I did say is that if you use sarcasm, then it is sarcasm.  You were using the word incorrectly.

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I was a Never Trump voter.  Did not vote for him.  After the election, I gave him a clean slate and want to give him a chance to lead.  
So, in other words, as circumstances changed, that influenced how you felt about Donald.


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But back to these "seedy Russian ties."  If the conspiracy differs from how I outlined it earlier, walk me through exactly how this whole thing worked.  
I'm not even sure what you outlined. From what I got from your previous posts, you're claiming that when Mitch McConnell, Roy Blunt, Peter King called for an investigation into Trump administration ties to Russia it was a figment of my imagination? Or that those Republican legislators are a part of the liberal media conspiracy?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on February 19, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
So why did Trump Fire him?

You been under a rock? Start at beginning of thread. No need for someone to hold your hand


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: The Ugly on February 19, 2017, 03:43:44 PM
So why did Trump Fire him?

Because he did the thing he told him to do. Then they found out the thing was bad.



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: GigantorX on February 19, 2017, 05:54:22 PM
You been under a rock? Start at beginning of thread. No need for someone to hold your hand

Haha,yep.

Another nothing story mixed with fake news, allegations, innuendo, false reporting and narrative shaping to create something from nothing.

Too funny.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: TuHolmes on February 19, 2017, 06:14:25 PM
Haha,yep.

Another nothing story mixed with fake news, allegations, innuendo, false reporting and narrative shaping to create something from nothing.

Too funny.

So why are they asking for the tapes to remain intact?

None of this is fake news. Sorry.

As a matter of fact, why does Trump not seem to be able to answer the question about the discussions?

Look. I am not saying anything done was wrong, but if there's no wrong doing, Trump saying he did nothing wrong would have squashed it.

Telling Pence beforehand so he knew would have helped with that.

It's definitely not fake news. Even Fox News just asked questions and got no answers. Fake news is the shit that is posted around Facebook and other such nonsense. Not Fox, ABC, NBC,CBS, or CNN.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Option D on February 19, 2017, 08:36:47 PM
Any negative polls are fake news lmao


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 19, 2017, 09:18:38 PM
Any negative polls are fake news lmao

Tell that to your girl Hillary. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Skeeter on February 20, 2017, 08:16:10 AM
"Most importantly, Gen. Flynn is opposed to the Russia-is-the-Enemy war party that rules the US on corporate media, big money, government, and dark-state levels."

Is this true? Was Flynn working for peace with Russia? If so, it's a shame to see him go.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-decapitates-the-russia-peace-initiative/5575052 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-decapitates-the-russia-peace-initiative/5575052)


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2017, 02:08:30 PM
I nevers said that you can't mock someone without sarcasm. What I did say is that if you use sarcasm, then it is sarcasm.  You were using the word incorrectly.
So, in other words, as circumstances changed, that influenced how you felt about Donald.

I'm not even sure what you outlined. From what I got from your previous posts, you're claiming that when Mitch McConnell, Roy Blunt, Peter King called for an investigation into Trump administration ties to Russia it was a figment of my imagination? Or that those Republican legislators are a part of the liberal media conspiracy?

You didn't understand that the words mocking and sarcasm were not necessarily synonymous.  I'm glad you now understand they are not.  Then again, you are the same person who tried to tell me that "global warming" and "climate change" were different.    

The "circumstances" that change was Trump won the election.  Whenever a new president wins his first term, I give him the benefit of the doubt and hope for success.  You might struggle with that concept, because you have blind allegiance to your party.  

What I outlined is right here:

This is sort of like the birther stuff.  When you step back and think about it, it really makes no sense.  

If I'm following the current line of thinking about these "seedy Russian ties" (not by you):

1.  At some point during the presidential election cycle, someone from the Russian government was in contact with Trump in an effort to gain some kind of favor if he was elected president.  

2.  Someone in the Russian government then worked with WikiLeaks to hack Podesta's email, obtaining truthful information, which WikiLeaks then released, in cooperation with Trump.

3.  The release of this information caused Trump to be elected president.  

4.  Trump is now beholden to Russia, and will be doing some unspecified acts that benefit Russia.  

Sounds pretty loony.  

Do you agree with this?  If not, please walk me through exactly how these "seedy ties" to Russia resulted in Trump getting elected president and how this whole conspiracy is supposed to work.  


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2017, 02:09:51 PM
So why did Trump Fire him?

Because he misrepresented facts to VP Pence. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2017, 02:13:09 PM
??? Right  in the quote you posted I say he has a ton of momentum. Exactly where you bolded, I said why I didn't think he was a lock. The entire point of the thread was about him being the likely nominee. "Likely" =/= "lock"  ::)

Your exact words:


 And, sure, Trump was the underdog, but he was hardly an astronomical longshot. Here's a link to a thread I started in September of 2015 commenting on his momentum and the likelihood he would clinch the Republican nomination:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=579450.0 

He's so at odds with what the GOP has claimed to stand for for the last quarter century that I find it hard to believe that the nomination is a lock for him. However, there's no denying that he has a ton of momentum. If he wins the nomination, will this mark a major idealogical shift for the GOP? They've had a bit of a personality crisis  for a while now. For the last few election cycles it seems like they get really excited over anyone who's not business as usual, then just wind up abandoning that person for Boringum McTypicalPolitician.

You have got to be kidding me.  Saying you find it "hard to believe the nomination is a lock for him" is not saying he would likely win the nomination. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 20, 2017, 02:45:42 PM
You didn't understand that the words mocking and sarcasm were not necessarily synonymous.  I'm glad you now understand they are not.      

No, I never said that the words were "not necessarily synonymous." What I said was that in the very specific case of you using sarcasm, they weren't distinct. You  posted a sarcastic statement, then for some reason, claimed it wasn't sarcasm, it was just mocking. If you use sarcasm to mock something, that doesn't stop it from being sarcasm. You incorrectly used the word.


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The "circumstances" that change was Trump won the election.  Whenever a new president wins his first term, I give him the benefit of the doubt and hope for success.  You might struggle with that concept, because you have blind allegiance to your party.  
So, like I said, the circumstances influenced your feelings on Trump. Just like other circumstances, like... oh, I don't know, the leaked emails you were talking about in the post I was referencing... might influence other voters.


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Do you agree with this?  If not, please walk me through exactly how these "seedy ties" to Russia resulted in Trump getting elected president and how this whole conspiracy is supposed to work.  

When people investigate suspicious issues/activities, why do you think they do it? Do you think it is because they have all of the answers before the investigation and the investigation is just for fun? Or do you think it is to gain a level of clarity on seedy activity?


Quote
Your exact words:

My EXACT WORDS:

 I find it hard to believe that the nomination is a lock for him. However, there's no denying that he has a ton of momentum.

Posted in a thread I started asking how the Republican party will change if he clinches the nomination.




Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 20, 2017, 02:47:11 PM
Because he misrepresented facts to VP Pence. 

Why do you think Flynn would misrepresent those specific facts?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2017, 02:53:09 PM
No, I never said that the words were "not necessarily synonymous." What I said was that in the very specific case of you using sarcasm, they weren't distinct. You  posted a sarcastic statement, then for some reason, claimed it wasn't sarcasm, it was just mocking. If you use sarcasm to mock something, that doesn't stop it from being sarcasm. You incorrectly used the word.

So, like I said, the circumstances influenced your feelings on Trump. Just like other circumstances, like... oh, I don't know, the leaked emails you were talking about in the post I was referencing... might influence other voters.


When people investigate suspicious issues/activities, why do you think they do it? Do you think it is because they have all of the answers before the investigation and the investigation is just for fun? Or do you think it is to gain a level of clarity on seedy activity?


My EXACT WORDS:

 I find it hard to believe that the nomination is a lock for him. However, there's no denying that he has a ton of momentum.

Posted in a thread I started asking how the Republican party will change if he clinches the nomination.




Ok.  Whatever.  I'm glad you understand the difference now.

The "circumstances" that influenced voters included Hillary being a dishonest, inauthentic, greedy, intemperate, unhealthy, unqualified candidate.  Voters didn't want an Obama third term.  The fact someone like Trump beat her pretty handily speaks volumes about just how lousy she was.   

Waiting for your explanation of how this conspiracy was supposed to work.  What are the "seedy ties" to Russia and how did they dictate the outcome of this election?  And for what purpose?   


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2017, 02:53:37 PM
Why do you think Flynn would misrepresent those specific facts?

I have no idea. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 20, 2017, 03:24:28 PM
Ok.  Whatever.  I'm glad you understand the difference now.
That was never the question, though. When you say this:
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I wonder if they are going to investigate the "seedy ties" to Russia?  This could be a blockbuster.  Maybe there is evidence that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate??
Do you believe that Trump is actually a Manchurian candidate? If not, then you are using sarcasm to mock something.

Do you get it now? Or are you still having trouble?  :-\

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The "circumstances" that influenced voters included Hillary being a dishonest, inauthentic, greedy, intemperate, unhealthy, unqualified candidate.  Voters didn't want an Obama third term.  The fact someone like Trump beat her pretty handily speaks volumes about just how lousy she was. 
Does it? because he beat his 16 republican rivals by even  wider margins.

The fact that someone like Trump beat her speaks volumes about just how much the email leaks influenced the election.

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Waiting for your explanation of how this conspiracy was supposed to work.  What are the "seedy ties" to Russia and how did they dictate the outcome of this election?  And for what purpose?   

I'll repeat what I asked before:When people investigate suspicious issues/activities, why do you think they do it? Do you think it is because they have all of the answers before the investigation and the investigation is just for fun? Or do you think it is to gain a level of clarity on seedy activity?

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I have no idea.
You have no idea why  Flynn would lie, but you're 100% there was nothing more to it, though? Because if there was, all of the facts would be apparent BEFORE any investigation?  ::)


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2017, 03:40:20 PM
That was never the question, though. When you say this:Do you believe that Trump is actually a Manchurian candidate? If not, then you are using sarcasm to mock something.

Do you get it now? Or are you still having trouble?  :-\
Does it? because he beat his 16 republican rivals by even  wider margins.

The fact that someone like Trump beat her speaks volumes about just how much the email leaks influenced the election.

I'll repeat what I asked before:When people investigate suspicious issues/activities, why do you think they do it? Do you think it is because they have all of the answers before the investigation and the investigation is just for fun? Or do you think it is to gain a level of clarity on seedy activity?
You have no idea why  Flynn would lie, but you're 100% there was nothing more to it, though? Because if there was, all of the facts would be apparent BEFORE any investigation?  ::)


I was not being sarcastic when I mentioned Manchurian Candidate, because I think you people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome might actually believe it.  So, my comment was semi-serious, not really sarcastic, but definitely mocking.  That might be too nuanced for you.  But it's ok.  Keep trying.   :)

The GOP field got more than twice as many votes as Trump.  He benefited from a large field, fractured support among his rivals, infighting, and the fact Hillary was horrible. 

What was it in those leaked emails that influenced the election?  Hillary calling for open borders?  Her saying she has a public and private position?  CNN giving debate questions to Hillary?  The condescending comments about minorities? 

I see.  You don't want to explain how this wacky conspiracy theory works.  Maybe you realize how friggin stupid it is?  Or have you not actually thought it through?  Don't be scared.  Just say it.  Spell it out. 

What the heck does Flynn misrepresenting facts have to do with the price of tea in China?  Is that part of your kooky conspiracy theory?  Explain it. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 20, 2017, 04:10:54 PM
I was not being sarcastic when I mentioned Manchurian Candidate, because I think you people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome might actually believe it.  So, my comment was semi-serious, not really sarcastic, but definitely mocking.  That might be too nuanced for you.  But it's ok.  Keep trying.   :)


Too nuanced? LOL.  It's pretty transparent in the fact that it's drivel. Your patented blend of willful ignorance, circular logic and blatant diversion could never be mistaken for nuance. So, let's see what the takeaway from this exchange was: you don't understand what "sarcasm" means, you don't understand what "influence" means, you don't understand the purpose of investigating something, you don't understand why a Trump administration official being fired for lying about contact with Russia would be related to the imaginary bi-partisan investigation into ties with Russia that I apparently made up.  ::)  If your goal was to be so reductive that I stopped engaging with you, then congats! You've reached the bottom of the political discourse barrel. It seems like you manage to understand less and less about the world with every thread you post in.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on February 20, 2017, 04:14:44 PM

Too nuanced? LOL.  It's pretty transparent in the fact that it's drivel. Your patented blend of willful ignorance, circular logic and blatant diversion could never be mistaken for nuance. So, let's see what the takeaway from this exchange was: you don't understand what "sarcasm" means, you don't understand what "influence" means, you don't understand the purpose of investigating something, you don't understand why a Trump administration official being fired for lying about contact with Russia would be related to the imaginary bi-partisan investigation into ties with Russia that I apparently made up.  ::)  If your goal was to be so reductive that I stopped engaging with you, then congats! You've reached the bottom of the political discourse barrel. It seems like you manage to understand less and less about the world with every thread you post in.

lol.  This is really funny.  But I get it.  You are too embarrassed to spell out your stupid conspiracy theory.  You will just be the good little hack and continue using your meaningless "seedy ties to Russia" buzz words.  Pretty desperate times for you folks.  You just cannot come to grips with the fact that the majority of the country doesn't accept your twisted world view.  

But anytime you want to spell out that asinine Russia theory, the pages of the board will be waiting.  


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Las Vegas on February 20, 2017, 04:18:32 PM

Too nuanced? LOL.  It's pretty transparent in the fact that it's drivel. Your patented blend of willful ignorance, circular logic and blatant diversion could never be mistaken for nuance. So, let's see what the takeaway from this exchange was: you don't understand what "sarcasm" means, you don't understand what "influence" means, you don't understand the purpose of investigating something, you don't understand why a Trump administration official being fired for lying about contact with Russia would be related to the imaginary bi-partisan investigation into ties with Russia that I apparently made up.  ::)  If your goal was to be so reductive that I stopped engaging with you, then congats! You've reached the bottom of the political discourse barrel. It seems like you manage to understand less and less about the world with every thread you post in.

What does it mean in this case, though?  Any explanation?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 23, 2017, 12:19:47 PM
GOP senator says she’s open to demanding Trump’s tax returns as part of Russia probe

A Republican member of the Senate Intelligence Committee says she is open to requesting President Trump’s tax returns as part of the panel’s ongoing investigation into Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 elections.

Sen. Susan Collins of Maine said on a local radio program Wednesday that “many of the members” of the intelligence panel will formally request that ousted national security adviser Michael Flynn testify before the committee.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/22/gop-senator-says-shes-open-to-demanding-trumps-tax-returns-as-part-of-russia-probe/?utm_term=.bc4760f90a0f


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on February 23, 2017, 12:22:36 PM
Trump's Russia problem dogs Republicans at town halls

 Some Republicans sought to seize on the issue as a rare opportunity to find a bit of common ground with critics, who have been haranguing them to take a tougher line against Trump and his policies.

"Our legal authorities should investigate and follow the rule of law wherever it leads," said Rep. Dave Brat (R-Va.), earning cheers from an otherwise hostile audience in sleepy Blackstone, Virginia, on Tuesday.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-russia-congress-town-halls-235262


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: GigantorX on February 24, 2017, 05:25:11 AM
What does it mean in this case, though?  Any explanation?

There is no meaning. Their fantasy doesn't match the reality.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Las Vegas on February 24, 2017, 03:55:23 PM
There is no meaning. Their fantasy doesn't match the reality.

IDK.  But of all the ppl I'm familiar with who'd like to believe it, not a single one knows.

To say that "influence" took place... well, that's something which requires explanation if it's to be used in an accusatory way.  Because without an explanation, there's no way to say whether it exists.  And that's a big problem.

Really irresponsible reporting along these lines IMHO and some of these guys should know better.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: GigantorX on February 24, 2017, 05:00:39 PM
IDK.  But of all the ppl I'm familiar with who'd like to believe it, not a single one knows.

To say that "influence" took place... well, that's something which requires explanation if it's to be used in an accusatory way.  Because without an explanation, there's no way to say whether it exists.  And that's a big problem.

Really irresponsible reporting along these lines IMHO and some of these guys should know better.

They do know better and they do know exactly what they are doing. That's the problem. These "reports" the at are based on anonymous sources and "unnamed senior officials who say they are familiar with the matter...." To strike at the admin aren't done by accident or on account of journalistic crusading.



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on December 01, 2017, 07:56:27 AM
ya gotta love the Flynnster!


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on December 01, 2017, 08:50:51 AM
as Flynn left the courthouse today, why were people chanting: "LOCK...HIM...UP!"   ???


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: LittleJ on December 01, 2017, 09:01:43 AM
as Flynn left the courthouse today, why were people chanting: "LOCK...HIM...UP!"   ???

He's a thug, criminal, traitor, animal, etc


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on December 01, 2017, 09:06:30 AM
He's a thug, criminal, traitor, animal, etc

but Trump told Comey that "He (Flynn) is a good guy.  I hope you can let this go."


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 01, 2017, 09:54:58 AM
ya gotta love the Flynnster!

Where are your posts on Clinton?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 10:38:43 AM
Everyone keep in mind that prosecutors still have the option of pulling his plea agreement and bringing further charges against him

Here is Flynn's statement in court today



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“After over 33 years of military service to our country, including nearly five years in combat away from my family, and then my decision to continue to serve the United States, it has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of ‘treason’ and other outrageous acts. Such false accusations are contrary to everything I have ever done and stood for. But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right. My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel’s Office reflects a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country. I accept full responsibility for my actions.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on December 01, 2017, 10:41:52 AM
Where are your posts on Clinton?

Whoever is a convicted felon should be punished accordingly.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 01, 2017, 10:54:15 AM
Where are your posts on Clinton?

classic "whataboutism"


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 11:10:25 AM


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Everything President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn discussed last December with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. — everything that led to his dramatic guilty plea and cooperation agreement Friday with special counsel Robert Mueller — he did with the involvement of the presidential transition team.

That’s the story told in the most important document Mueller released on a Friday that could have intensified the president’s own legal liability: Flynn’s stipulation of the facts underlying his December 2016 conversations with then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak. At least one of those two conversations Flynn undertook at the direction of a “very senior” transition official, the stipulation says.

The documents do not say who directed Flynn to discuss sanctions with Kislyak — a conversation Flynn later reportedly lied about to Vice President Mike Pence, a lie that was the stated reason that Trump fired Flynn in February. But Flynn’s statement, following his Friday guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with Mueller’s probe, shows that the transition team, at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort, was informed at every stage of his discussions with Kislyak.

And that itself raises new questions about what Pence, who ran the presidential transition and publicly affirmed that Flynn never talked to Kislyak about Russia sanctions, actually knew.
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But, according to a former Justice Department official, that “very senior” official named by Mueller is probably in substantial legal jeopardy.  If the “very senior” official lied to Mueller’s team about directing Flynn to reach out to the Russians, then Flynn would be poised to testify about that lie.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/very-senior-trump-official-authorized-flynns-russia-outreach


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on December 01, 2017, 11:18:54 AM

https://www.thedailybeast.com/very-senior-trump-official-authorized-flynns-russia-outreach

Flynn licking his chops as Pence is shitting bricks.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: LittleJ on December 01, 2017, 11:30:26 AM
Wheres dos or poly :D


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 11:37:41 AM
Flynn licking his chops as Pence is shitting bricks.

I wonder if Flynn is pissed he got fired for the phony claim about lying to Pence

Flynn in saying that every contact he had with Russia was at the direction of a senior official and a very senior official (two different people) and that's just what is being revealed to the public at this time

there are at least a few other serious charges that could have been filed against Flynn (and can still be filed if Mueller thinks Flynn is not fully cooperating)

I'm sure people around Trump realize that he will throw any of them under the bus to protect himself





Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Kazan on December 01, 2017, 11:39:32 AM
How is it collusion for a President-Elect or any of his team to talk to a foreign power?

The election is over at that point, and the conversations were about actions taken between the election and the inauguration.

Totally confused here.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 12:02:37 PM
How is it collusion for a President-Elect or any of his team to talk to a foreign power?

The election is over at that point, and the conversations were about actions taken between the election and the inauguration.

Totally confused here.

because they weren't yet in office and it could be  violation of the Logan Act

If there was nothing improper about it then why did he lie about it and why did other Trump transition team members potentially lie about it (i.e. contacts with Russia prior to taking office - when Obama was still POTUS)



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 01, 2017, 12:06:08 PM
How is it collusion for a President-Elect or any of his team to talk to a foreign power?

The election is over at that point, and the conversations were about actions taken between the election and the inauguration.

Totally confused here.

I think it's not about merely having a conversation with a foreign power Special counsel Robert Mueller and several congressional panels are investigating the Trump campaign for allegedly colluding with Russia in its cyber attacks against the 2016 presidential race. If that isn't proven then it will go away. If it is proven then it may get pretty hot for the prez


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Soul Crusher on December 01, 2017, 12:06:49 PM
because they weren't yet in office and it could be  violation of the Logan Act

If there was nothing improper about it then why did he lie about it and why did other Trump transition team members potentially lie about it (i.e. contacts with Russia prior to taking office - when Obama was still POTUS)



Again - this has nothing to do w rigging the election, hillary emails, etc.  Its a non story - so he has his incomning national security guy set up a call - AND?  



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Kazan on December 01, 2017, 12:08:54 PM
because they weren't yet in office and it could be  violation of the Logan Act

If there was nothing improper about it then why did he lie about it and why did other Trump transition team members potentially lie about it (i.e. contacts with Russia prior to taking office - when Obama was still POTUS)



How could it be a violation of the Logan Act? That would infer that the POTUS elect and his transition team would not be authorized to negotiate with foreign governments and makes no sense. This is just Flynn trying to get some reduced charges\sentence. If you have some case law that you can site that disproves this please provide it, because I can guarantee you this in not the first time a POTUS elect has contact  foreign governments


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 01, 2017, 12:09:15 PM
Again - this has nothing to do w rigging the election, hillary emails, etc.  Its a non story - so he has his incomning national security guy set up a call - AND?  



Right... and since this is the second indictment where the subjects pleaded guilty.. non story...  ::)


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
How could it be a violation of the Logan Act? That would infer that the POTUS elect and his transition team would not be authorized to negotiate with foreign governments and makes no sense. This is just Flynn trying to get some reduced charges\sentence. If you have some case law that you can site that disproves this please provide it, because I can guarantee you this in not the first time a POTUS elect has contact  foreign governments

that is correct
they are not empowered to negotiate with foreign governments until they are sworn into office

the more interesting question is why he lied about it and if in fact he is being truthful that he was working in coordination with a senior official and a very senior official in the Trump transition then if those people lied they are fucked too.

also, I never said this indicates "collusion" in regards to swinging the election

the special counsel can go after whatever crimes he discovers in the course of his investigation and if these people choose to cooperate it may well lead to even more crimes


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on December 01, 2017, 12:28:12 PM
How could it be a violation of the Logan Act? That would infer that the POTUS elect and his transition team would not be authorized to negotiate with foreign governments and makes no sense. This is just Flynn trying to get some reduced charges\sentence. If you have some case law that you can site that disproves this please provide it, because I can guarantee you this in not the first time a POTUS elect has contact  foreign governments

This is where the "seedy ties with Russia" come in. There's a lot still up in the air, but as far back as the beginning of the year, we knew that trump administration officials had behaved illegally. In the simplest terms, Flynn is being charged with lying.But one train of logic goes like this:

1)The gov't believes there is evidence that this foreign power illegally hacked into one candidate's email, which ended up being a major factor in the presidential election.

2) You have an administration willing to negotiate with a foreign power during a prohibited period, which suggests pre-existing contact.
The administration lies about prohibited negotiations, which further supports the theory of pre-existing contact.

3) The question becomes how much pre-existing contact was there and did that contact play a part in the hacking? Was there knowledge or coordination beforehand? If so this is very serious- administration contacts committed a crime to sway the election and then began favorable negotiations during a prohibited time frame.






Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: lilhawk1 on December 01, 2017, 12:31:34 PM
Again - this has nothing to do w rigging the election, hillary emails, etc.  Its a non story - so he has his incomning national security guy set up a call - AND?  



You're not serious are you?  If so, wow.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 01, 2017, 12:41:43 PM
Right... and since this is the second indictment where the subjects pleaded guilty.. non story...  ::)

It’s a non story because this investigation is about fake news Trump/Russia collusion


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 12:44:08 PM
It’s a non story because this investigation is about fake news Trump/Russia collusion

keep telling yourself that

heck, tell yourself that Flynn didn't actually plead guilty today and isn't cooperating with Mueller

It's all fake news



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on December 01, 2017, 12:49:17 PM
because they weren't yet in office and it could be  violation of the Logan Act

If there was nothing improper about it then why did he lie about it and why did other Trump transition team members potentially lie about it (i.e. contacts with Russia prior to taking office - when Obama was still POTUS)



But how did this affect the election?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on December 01, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
If he broke the law he should be held accountable.  And someone in his position, with his background, should be held to a higher standard IMO.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
But how did this affect the election?

that is correct
they are not empowered to negotiate with foreign governments until they are sworn into office

the more interesting question is why he lied about it and if in fact he is being truthful that he was working in coordination with a senior official and a very senior official in the Trump transition then if those people lied they are fucked too.

also, I never said this indicates "collusion" in regards to swinging the election

the special counsel can go after whatever crimes he discovers in the course of his investigation and if these people choose to cooperate it may well lead to even more crimes



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
If he broke the law he should be held accountable.  And someone in his position, with his background, should be held to a higher standard IMO.

how about just holding him to the same standard as anyone else

don't lie to the FBI

Pretty sure he knew not to do that (as anyone in DC from an intern up should know) so the larger question is why did he lie.  Who did he think he was protecting and from what did he think he was protecting them from

 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on December 01, 2017, 12:57:10 PM
also, I never said this indicates "collusion" in regards to swinging the election

But it actually could indicate collusion. The hacking was an illegal act and what we do know could suggest ties that go back before the election. If that's the case, then the question is whether or not the hacking took place at the behest of someone on trump's team.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 01:52:45 PM
But it actually could indicate collusion. The hacking was an illegal act and what we do know could suggest ties that go back before the election. If that's the case, then the question is whether or not the hacking took place at the behest of someone on trump's team.

it could well lead to that or it could compel Flynn to reveal other information that confirms collusion

There is a lot of evidence that Trump was acting on information from Wikileaks and perhaps info from Russian sources (due to timing of his statements and then info we learned after the fact about meetings, emails, etc..)



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 01, 2017, 03:44:53 PM
If he broke the law he should be held accountable.  And someone in his position, with his background, should be held to a higher standard IMO.

But no law has been broken with the exception of Flynn being forced Into saying what he said so they don’t go after his house his family and the even reported to go after his son he was left no choice but to cooperate or become destitute and have a family broken up Mueller is a POS


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on December 01, 2017, 03:51:05 PM
bet that Jared sleeps like a baby tonight next to Ivanka . . .



tick tock


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 03:59:43 PM
But no law has been broken with the exception of Flynn being forced Into saying what he said so they don’t go after his house his family and the even reported to go after his son he was left no choice but to cooperate or become destitute and have a family broken up Mueller is a POS

What grounds do you imagine that Mueller would have to "go after" Flynn's family if he/they didn't do anything wrong

how exactly would Mueller "break up" his family and again on what grounds?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 04:09:10 PM
bet that Jared sleeps like a baby tonight next to Ivanka . . .
tick tock

Sources: Kushner was the 'very senior' transition member mentioned in court filing

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/jared-kushner-michael-flynn-russia/index.html


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on December 01, 2017, 04:15:07 PM
But no law has been broken with the exception of Flynn being forced Into saying what he said so they don’t go after his house his family and the even reported to go after his son he was left no choice but to cooperate or become destitute and have a family broken up Mueller is a POS

 ::) Flynn was "forced into saying what he said"  because he broke the law.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 01, 2017, 04:17:21 PM
::) Flynn was "forced into saying what he said"  because he broke the law.

I explained why.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 04:20:33 PM
I explained why.

what you wrote makes no sense (as is common for your posts)

was "no law broken" or not

If Flynn was "forced into saying what he said" then are you suggesting the Mueller broke the law by "forcing him"?

is that the "exception" you're talking about?

you said 
But no law has been broken with the exception of Flynn being forced Into saying what he said so they don’t go after his house his family and the even reported to go after his son he was left no choice but to cooperate or become destitute and have a family broken up Mueller is a POS


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Al Doggity on December 01, 2017, 04:46:09 PM
I explained why.

No, you didn't. You left out why. You tried to turn it into Flynn being victimized for no reason when any leverage Mueller has on him is entirely due to Flynn breaking the law.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: mazrim on December 01, 2017, 05:04:25 PM
Sources: Kushner was the 'very senior' transition member mentioned in court filing

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/jared-kushner-michael-flynn-russia/index.html
"The court filings from Flynn's plea hearing Friday say a "very senior member" of Trump's transition team asked Flynn to contact officials from UN Security Council countries, including Russia"

They were colluding with everyone!! My goodness!


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on December 01, 2017, 05:26:29 PM
"The court filings from Flynn's plea hearing Friday say a "very senior member" of Trump's transition team asked Flynn to contact officials from UN Security Council countries, including Russia"

They were colluding with everyone!! My goodness!


The fix is in. 

And shouldn't they have been colluding with Russia before the election?  More tinfoil hat fodder. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 05:50:09 PM
The fix is in. 

And shouldn't they have been colluding with Russia before the election?  More tinfoil hat fodder. 

"The court filings from Flynn's plea hearing Friday say a "very senior member" of Trump's transition team asked Flynn to contact officials from UN Security Council countries, including Russia"

They were colluding with everyone!! My goodness!


LOL
Trumptards gonna Trumptard


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 01, 2017, 08:09:38 PM
It’s a non story because this investigation is about fake news Trump/Russia collusion

You probably just need to be quiet.. you are doing yourself no favors


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 01, 2017, 08:10:13 PM
If he broke the law he should be held accountable.  And someone in his position, with his background, should be held to a higher standard IMO.
agree


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 01, 2017, 08:11:18 PM
But no law has been broken with the exception of Flynn being forced Into saying what he said so they don’t go after his house his family and the even reported to go after his son he was left no choice but to cooperate or become destitute and have a family broken up Mueller is a POS

Flynn is the victim? Oh brother..


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Coach is Back! on December 01, 2017, 08:33:35 PM
You probably just need to be quiet.. you are doing yourself no favors

You, Strawman and me in a bar having a beer without google. Who wins the debate with $1000 on the table?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 01, 2017, 08:52:50 PM
You, Strawman and me in a bar having a beer without google. Who wins the debate with $1000 on the table?

LOL - on ANY topic other than tire flipping you would be the hands down loser



Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 01, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
You, Strawman and me in a bar having a beer without google. Who wins the debate with $1000 on the table?

Not you..... Strawman and I split the grand


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on December 02, 2017, 10:22:04 AM
Trump tweeted today: "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the VP and the FBI."

So Donald knew that Flynn lied to the FBI when he fired him, and subsequently asked Comey to go easy on Flynn?

haha keep the tweets comin'.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 02, 2017, 10:50:02 AM
Trump tweeted today: "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the VP and the FBI."

So Donald knew that Flynn lied to the FBI when he fired him, and subsequently asked Comey to go easy on Flynn?

haha keep the tweets comin'.

Donald will say whatever he thinks serves his best interest. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter. HIs followers will simply say "Hell yeah! he did the right thing when he found out he lied!" when everyone else knows he defended Flynn even while firing him and his stated reason at the time was that he lied to the VP. And.. he kept Flynn on for 2 weeks after he knew Flynn lied.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: polychronopolous on December 02, 2017, 11:53:09 AM
Wheres dos or poly :D

I just received a pm stating that my name was brought up in this thread so I will reply and will keep it as plain and succinct as possible.

The OP isn't even American.

Just like the busy body neighbor, I really could care less about his opinion.

For years I have contended that the foreigners text should be 25% font size in comparison to that of Americans.

When they post a thread it should immediately be buried on the third or fourth page behind the posters of greater importance.

And that's not a personal knock on teege, he seems like an okay guy I just feel there should be a pecking order when it comes to these sorts of things.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on December 02, 2017, 12:03:19 PM
I just received a pm stating that my name was brought up in this thread so I will reply and will keep it as plain and succinct as possible.

The OP isn't even American.

Just like the busy body neighbor, I really could care less about his opinion.

For years I have contended that the foreigners text should be 25% font size in comparison to that of Americans.

When they post a thread it should immediately be buried on the third or fourth page behind the posters of greater importance.

And that's not a personal knock on teege, he seems like an okay guy I just feel there should be a pecking order when it comes to these sorts of things.

I'm not American but I have family members who are Americans, and so I have to look out for my family just like General Flynn does.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: LittleJ on December 02, 2017, 12:16:12 PM
You, Strawman and me in a bar having a beer without google. Who wins the debate with $1000 on the table?

A toddler has more brains than you


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Yamcha on December 02, 2017, 01:58:03 PM
I'm not American but I have family members who are Americans, and so I have to look out for my family just like General Flynn does.

By constantly criticising Conservatives on a bodybuilding website? How brave... I'm sure your "family" is proud.

Fuck off


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: tom joad on December 02, 2017, 02:34:45 PM
By constantly criticising Conservatives on a bodybuilding website? How brave... I'm sure your "family" is proud.

Fuck off

I like conservatives and respect anybody who can argue their point persuasively.
But a board that is overrepresented with Trump nuthuggers is a tad boring, no?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 02, 2017, 02:59:08 PM
ABC News statement on Michael Flynn report
By ABCNews
Dec 2, 2017, 5:40 PM ET
We deeply regret and apologize for the serious error we made yesterday. The reporting conveyed by Brian Ross during the special report had not been fully vetted through our editorial standards process. As a result of our continued reporting over the next several hours ultimately we determined the information was wrong and we corrected the mistake on air and online.

It is vital we get the story right and retain the trust we have built with our audience –- these are our core principles. We fell far short of that yesterday. Effective immediately, Brian Ross will be suspended for four weeks without pay.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2017, 03:38:00 PM
Trump tweeted today: "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the VP and the FBI."

So Donald knew that Flynn lied to the FBI when he fired him, and subsequently asked Comey to go easy on Flynn?

haha keep the tweets comin'.

Trump knew Flynn was being investigated by the FBI when he hired him

Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn

Sally Yates warned Trump not to hire Flynn

But Trump has a "very good brain and has said a lot of things" so he didn't feel the need to listen to people trying to give him advice for his own good

The really interesting question is WHY Flynn lied

He is certainly smart enough to know that lying to the FBI is a crime so he must have thought that was the lesser issue than whatever it was he was trying to conceal


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 02, 2017, 03:45:31 PM


He is certainly smart enough to know that lying to the FBI is a crime so he must have thought that was the lesser issue than whatever it was he was trying to conceal

Not when Hillary Clinton does it. This is obviously an agency that’s in need of a complete overall.


You only have to listen to the first minute of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2017, 03:48:49 PM
Not when Hillary Clinton does it. This is obviously an agency that’s in need of a complete overall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ

didn't watch

tell me what point in the video that the FBI says that Hillary lied and I'll watch that


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 02, 2017, 03:49:56 PM
didn't watch

tell me what point in the video that the FBI says that Hillary lied and I'll watch that

Just Watch the first minute that’s all you need to watch.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
Just Watch the first minute that’s all you need to watch.

the only person talking in the first minute is Trey Gowdy

does he work for the FBI ?





Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 02, 2017, 04:26:07 PM
I apologize. I forgot one of the characteristics of the liberalism mental disorder is cognitive dissonance. My bad.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 02, 2017, 04:31:39 PM

This is obviously an agency that’s in need of a complete overall.



Mueller Removed Top Agent in Russia Inquiry Over Possible Anti-Trump Texts - NYTimes.com

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/mueller-removed-top-fbi-agent-over-possible-anti-trump-texts.html


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2017, 04:50:38 PM
I apologize. I forgot one of the characteristics of the liberalism mental disorder is cognitive dissonance. My bad.

 I asked you a specific question which you did not answer
Just watched the entire video.

Why didn't Gowdy ask the specific question as to why she was charged with lying to the FBI?

Do you have any video of Gowdy questioning Hillary?





Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 02, 2017, 04:54:54 PM
I asked you a specific question which you did not answer
Just watched the entire video.

Why didn't Gowdy ask the specific question as to why she was charged with lying to the FBI?

Do you have any video of Gowdy questioning Hillary?





Please, just stop it. Gowdy is questioning the former head of the FBI who is describing false statements that Hillary made during the investigation. Have just a gram of intellectual honesty and admit there’s a double standard here. Either you indict both Flynn and Hillary or neither of them.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 02, 2017, 05:05:01 PM
Please, just stop it. Gowdy is questioning the former head of the FBI who is describing false statements that Hillary made during the investigation. Have just a gram of intellectual honesty and admit there’s a double standard here. Either you indict both Flynn and Hillary or neither of them.

Was Comey ever asked if Clinton lied to the FBI?
If so, what did he say?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2017, 09:07:19 AM
Please, just stop it. Gowdy is questioning the former head of the FBI who is describing false statements that Hillary made during the investigation. Have just a gram of intellectual honesty and admit there’s a double standard here. Either you indict both Flynn and Hillary or neither of them.

True.  That's why Comey pursued neither of them. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2017, 09:18:01 AM
What the Flynn Plea Means
by ANDREW C. MCCARTHY   December 1, 2017

There’s less to the news than meets the eye.

Former Trump-administration national-security adviser Michael Flynn is expected to plead guilty today to lying to the FBI regarding his conversations with Russia’s ambassador to the United States.

Flynn, who is reportedly cooperating with the investigation of special counsel Robert Mueller, is pleading guilty in federal district court in Washington, D.C., to a one-count criminal information (which is filed by a prosecutor in cases when a defendant waives his right to be indicted by a grand jury).

The false-statement charge, brought under Section 1001 of the federal penal code, stems from Flynn’s conversation on December 29, 2016, with Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak. At the time, Flynn was slated to become the national-security adviser to President-elect Donald Trump. The conversation occurred on the same day that then-president Barack Obama announced sanctions against Russia for its interference in the 2016 election. It is believed to have been recorded by the FBI because Kislyak, as an agent of a foreign power, was subject to monitoring under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

Mueller has charged Flynn with falsely telling FBI agents that he did not ask the ambassador “to refrain from escalating the situation” in response to the sanctions. In being questioned by the agents on January 24, 2017, Flynn also lied when he claimed he could not recall a subsequent conversation with Kislyak, in which the ambassador told Flynn that the Putin regime had “chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of [Flynn’s] request.”

Furthermore, a week before the sanctions were imposed, Flynn had also spoken to Kislyak, asking the ambassador to delay or defeat a vote on a pending United Nations resolution. The criminal information charges that Flynn lied to the FBI by denying both that he’d made this request and that he’d spoken afterward with Kislyak about Russia’s response to it.

Thus, in all, four lies are specified in the one count. The potential sentence is zero to five years’ imprisonment. Assuming Flynn cooperates fully with Mueller’s investigators, there will be little, if any, jail time.

Obviously, it was wrong of Flynn to give the FBI false information; he could, after all, have simply refused to speak with the agents in the first place. That said, as I argued early this year, it remains unclear why the Obama Justice Department chose to investigate Flynn. There was nothing wrong with the incoming national-security adviser’s having meetings with foreign counterparts or discussing such matters as the sanctions in those meetings. Plus, if the FBI had FISA recordings of Flynn’s conversations with Kislyak, there was no need to ask Flynn what the conversations entailed.

Flynn, an early backer of Donald Trump and a fierce critic of Obama’s national-security policies, was generally despised by Obama administration officials. Hence, there has always been cynical suspicion that the decision to interview him was driven by the expectation that he would provide the FBI with an account inconsistent with the recorded conversation — i.e., that Flynn was being set up for prosecution on a process crime.

While initial reporting is portraying Flynn’s guilty plea as a major breakthrough in Mueller’s investigation of potential Trump campaign collusion with the Russian regime, I suspect the opposite is true.

While initial reporting is portraying Flynn’s guilty plea as a major breakthrough in Mueller’s investigation of potential Trump-campaign collusion with the Russian regime, I suspect the opposite is true. Speculation that Flynn is now cooperating in Mueller’s investigation stirred in recent days due to reports that Flynn had pulled out of a joint defense agreement (or “common interest” arrangement) to share information with other subjects of the investigation. As an ethical matter, it is inappropriate for an attorney whose client is cooperating with the government (or having negotiations toward that end) to continue strategizing with, and having quasi-privileged communications with, other subjects of the investigation and their counsel.

Nevertheless, as I explained in connection with George Papadopoulos (who also pled guilty in Mueller’s investigation for lying to the FBI), when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation.

That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.

Understand: If Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador had evinced the existence of a quid pro quo collusion arrangement — that the Trump administration would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russia as a payback for Russia’s cyber-espionage against the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic party — it would have been completely appropriate, even urgently necessary, for the Obama Justice Department to investigate Flynn. But if that had happened, Mueller would not be permitting Flynn to settle the case with a single count of lying to FBI agents. Instead, we would be looking at a major conspiracy indictment, and Flynn would be made to plead to far more serious offenses if he wanted a deal — cooperation in exchange for sentencing leniency.

To the contrary, for all the furor, we have a small-potatoes plea in Flynn’s case — just as we did in Papadopoulos’s case, despite extensive “collusion” evidence. Meanwhile, the only major case Mueller has brought, against former Trump-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and an associate, has nothing to do with the 2016 election. It is becoming increasingly palpable that, whatever “collusion” means, there was no actionable, conspiratorial complicity by the Trump campaign in the Kremlin’s machinations.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454269/michael-flynn-plea-no-breakthrough-russia-investigation


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 04, 2017, 11:49:40 AM
well, the goal posts keep moving... we'll just have to wait and see what comes of it. Hard to figure it out listening to either side at this point.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2017, 02:40:06 PM
well, the goal posts keep moving... we'll just have to wait and see what comes of it. Hard to figure it out listening to either side at this point.

Not really.  No one has been accused of, charged with, or convicted of anything related to alleged collusion with Russia to elect Trump so he could become a Russian puppet.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: mazrim on December 04, 2017, 02:51:58 PM
Not really.  No one has been accused of, charged with, or convicted of anything related to alleged collusion with Russia to elect Trump so he could become a Russian puppet.
"But he's obstructing our made up story! Impeach!"


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on December 04, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
"But he's obstructing our made up story! Impeach!"

Yep.  One of the biggest farces I've ever seen. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 04, 2017, 04:14:08 PM
Not really.  No one has been accused of, charged with, or convicted of anything related to alleged collusion with Russia to elect Trump so he could become a Russian puppet.

yet


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on December 05, 2017, 02:59:11 PM
yet

And we haven't colonized Mars, yet. 

What evidence have you seen that proves this goofy conspiracy theory? 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 05, 2017, 03:46:37 PM
And we haven't colonized Mars, yet. 

What evidence have you seen that proves this goofy conspiracy theory? 

Well, they won't let me talk to the witnesses and suspects but your question is faulty. I've never said it's been proven. All I've said is let the investigation run its course. With Flynn cooperating there is reason to believe there might yet be some information revealed that could be relevant. 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: mazrim on December 05, 2017, 06:29:58 PM
Well, they won't let me talk to the witnesses and suspects but your question is faulty. I've never said it's been proven. All I've said is let the investigation run its course. With Flynn cooperating there is reason to believe there might yet be some information revealed that could be relevant. 
Isn't the investigation faulty if it was based on nothing to get it running to begin with? Seems backwards to investigate that way. They haven't even shown an example/potential issue of a starting premise.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 05, 2017, 06:57:42 PM
Isn't the investigation faulty if it was based on nothing to get it running to begin with? Seems backwards to investigate that way. They haven't even shown an example/potential issue of a starting premise.

yes it would be if it was. apparently there was enough information to appoint a special counsel to investigate. Now the hard part.. letting that investigation run its course... It's not like no one has been indicted and found guilty of something so far... so grab some popcorn and let the chips fall where they may


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on December 05, 2017, 09:01:50 PM
Well, they won't let me talk to the witnesses and suspects but your question is faulty. I've never said it's been proven. All I've said is let the investigation run its course. With Flynn cooperating there is reason to believe there might yet be some information revealed that could be relevant. 

I don't say conclusively proven.  I said evidence (i.e., what you need BEFORE you go spending millions on an investigation).  There is none.  Zero.  It's one of the most preposterous conspiracy theories in American history. 

I hope you're not one of those who hates Trump so much you want to be true.  Is that why you can't simply call BS? 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Straw Man on December 05, 2017, 09:55:22 PM
I don't say conclusively proven.  I said evidence (i.e., what you need BEFORE you go spending millions on an investigation).  There is none.  Zero.  It's one of the most preposterous conspiracy theories in American history.  

I hope you're not one of those who hates Trump so much you want to be true.  Is that why you can't simply call BS?  

unless you have clear cut proof of a crime such as a dead body (and even that is not proof of a crime) what you "start" with is a suspicion of a crime and some reason (what you think is evidence) to pursue that suspicion

there is an abundance of both in this case

kind of a general stink that everyone can smell

wtf is that smell ?


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: mazrim on December 06, 2017, 06:14:23 AM
yes it would be if it was. apparently there was enough information to appoint a special counsel to investigate. Now the hard part.. letting that investigation run its course... It's not like no one has been indicted and found guilty of something so far...
They have provided nothing as to why the investigation started. The indictments have nothing to do with the purpose of the fake investigation.

Sorry state of affairs when Americans are ok with investigations being performed when nothing points to that person as having done anything at all. Slippery slope.

The next guy will be indicted for jaywalking I suspect.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Thin Lizzy on December 06, 2017, 06:55:21 AM
I don't say conclusively proven.  I said evidence (i.e., what you need BEFORE you go spending millions on an investigation).  There is none.  Zero.  It's one of the most preposterous conspiracy theories in American history. 

I hope you're not one of those who hates Trump so much you want to be true.  Is that why you can't simply call BS? 

Of course with that’s what it is. Look at the gang on the view cheering when the Flynn story broke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3744gW7iUY

Of course she was later forced to apologize.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 06, 2017, 10:01:13 AM
They have provided nothing as to why the investigation started. The indictments have nothing to do with the purpose of the fake investigation.

Sorry state of affairs when Americans are ok with investigations being performed when nothing points to that person as having done anything at all. Slippery slope.

The next guy will be indicted for jaywalking I suspect.

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department appointed Robert S. Mueller III, a former F.B.I. director, as special counsel on Wednesday to oversee the investigation into ties between President Trump’s campaign and Russian officials, dramatically raising the legal and political stakes in an affair that has threatened to engulf Mr. Trump’s four-month-old presidency.
The decision by the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, came after a cascade of damaging developments for Mr. Trump in recent days, including his abrupt dismissal of the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, and the subsequent disclosure that Mr. Trump asked Mr. Comey to drop the investigation of his former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn.
Mr. Rosenstein had been under escalating pressure from Democrats, and even some Republicans, to appoint a special counsel after he wrote a memo that the White House initially cited as the rationale for Mr. Comey’s dismissal.
By appointing Mr. Mueller, a former federal prosecutor with an unblemished reputation, Mr. Rosenstein could alleviate uncertainty about the government’s ability to investigate the questions surrounding the Trump campaign and the Russians.
Mr. Rosenstein said in a statement that he concluded that “it is in the public interest for me to exercise my authorities and appoint a special counsel to assume responsibility for this matter.”


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Agnostic007 on December 06, 2017, 10:06:16 AM
They have provided nothing as to why the investigation started. The indictments have nothing to do with the purpose of the fake investigation.

Sorry state of affairs when Americans are ok with investigations being performed when nothing points to that person as having done anything at all. Slippery slope.

The next guy will be indicted for jaywalking I suspect.

"Let’s begin with the basics: It is the unanimous conclusion of U.S. intelligence that Vladimir Putin personally directed the Russian government to try to alter our 2016 elections, and to take the side of Donald Trump.
How did that directive play out?
Based on a new guilty plea by Trump associate George Papadopoulus, we know that as far back as April of 2016, the Kremlin used backchannels to inform the Trump campaign that it had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of thousands of stolen emails. The Trump campaign that had said repeatedly, emphatically, that it had never had any contacts with Russian officials, that any such claim was “fake news,” was in fact informed by Russia about illegal hacking some two months before anybody else had a clue.
Ask yourself, because Mueller surely has: Why would Russia want the Trump campaign to know it had a trove of illegally obtained Clinton emails? And once informed, why didn’t the Trump campaign notify U.S. law enforcement? Top officials from every presidential campaign in the last quarter-century, Republican and Democratic, have all said they would have reported such a contact to the FBI immediately.
The Trump campaign stayed silent.
We also know that the Kremlin reached out a second time, again promising dirt on Clinton, and that the Trump campaign responded enthusiastically. On June 3, 2016, Donald Trump Jr. was sent an email telling him that Russia was offering “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia.”
“This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” the email read.
“… if it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer,” Trump Jr. responded, which by itself is proof of an eagerness to collude. He quickly set up a meeting between someone described to him as “a Russian government lawyer” and top Trump campaign officials.
The meeting occurred on June 9, and not much seemed to come of it. But six days later, thousands of emails hacked from the Democratic National Committee were made public through Wikileaks.
According to U.S. intelligence, “we assess with high confidence” that Russia conducted the hacking. Yet Trump publicly defended Russia against such charges, and talked so often about his admiration for Putin that it began to seem bizarre. He also spoke dismissively of NATO, the alliance whose mission is to contain Putin. As president, he later fired FBI Director James Comey for not ending an investigation into Russian interference; the next day he bragged to top Russian officials about doing so. He also helped to fabricate a false explanation for the June 9 meeting at Trump Tower.
Again, such evidence, troubling as it is, doesn’t amount to conclusive proof. But it damn sure justifies strong support for the ongoing work of Mueller and his investigative team."
 


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Dos Equis on December 06, 2017, 10:28:00 AM
Of course with that’s what it is. Look at the gang on the view cheering when the Flynn story broke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3744gW7iUY

Of course she was later forced to apologize.

Bunch of partisan clowns.


Title: Re: In Like Flynn
Post by: Skeletor on December 08, 2017, 03:24:01 PM
Judge presiding over Michael Flynn criminal case is recused: court

(Reuters) - The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia judge presiding over the criminal case for President Donald Trump’s former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has been recused from handling the case, a court spokeswoman said on Thursday.

Court spokeswoman Lisa Klem did not say why Contreras was recused, and added that the case was randomly reassigned.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-flynn/judge-presiding-over-michael-flynn-criminal-case-is-recused-court-idUSKBN1E202V