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In Out Like Flynn
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In Out Like Flynn
"Compromised," imagine that.
Will Putin accept his resignation, though?
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Well that was quick...
"Drain the swamp"
Haha this is gonna be a shit show
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Before giving it a few days until the story is clarified, the Marxists (liberals) spew on a few minutes after the story is released without knowing the real story. None of us know yet. Period.
But let me make THIS clear. I don't recall him going on five political shows not including outside interviews saying that it was "video" that caused the Benghazi attacks and being a literal accessory to the murder of four Americans.....your turn!
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Wait, all the FAKE NEWS libtards on lamestream media say he resigned, but they just lie. Conway said today the president has "full confidence" in Flynn, and she's always 100% (unless they CGIed her words the way they do).
He's probably fine.
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Wait, all the FAKE NEWS libtards on lamestream media say he resigned, but they just lie. Conway said today the president has "full confidence" in Flynn, and she's always 100% (unless they CGIed her words the way they do).
He's probably fine.
Very 240esk. You know he lost every battle
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Very 240esk. You know he lost every battle
"esk"?
Very you.
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Heard Tillerson gave Putin the reach around treatment too
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"I will hire all the best people."
-Donald J Trump
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"I will hire all the best people."
-Donald J Trump
At least Flynn had the integrity to step down and Trump had the integrity to accept. To think all it took was the murder of four Americans and multiple political shows to get caught in a blatant lie for Rice, Obama and Clinton with still an ongoing investigation even after they're out office to realize what we knew all along
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At least Flynn had the integrity to step down and Trump had the integrity to accept. To think all it took was the murder of four Americans and multiple political shows to get caught in a blatant lie for Rice, Obama and Clinton with still an ongoing investigation even after they're out office to realize what we knew all along
Way to change the subject fuckwit. Pull trump's shriveled balls out of your mouth.
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This is actually a very ominous warning to all of the traitors in this country. This administration has set a new bar and is abiding by its ethical standards. This is a good thing to do before Sessions begins to unleash his purge of the establishment. This sets the standard which is going to be enforced throughout the government. Leading by example is the best way.
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This is actually a very ominous warning to all of the traitors in this country. This administration has set a new bar and is abiding by its ethical standards. This is a good thing to do before Sessions begins to unleash his purge of the establishment. This sets the standard which is going to be enforced throughout the government. Leading by example is the best way.
Amen,
From what is being reported, Priebus is next to get lost
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well, the good news is that Flynn Jr is back on Twitter.
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Hahahaha you guys are so damn transparent. How in the fuck do you spin Flynn resignation as a good thing and a win for trump. You muthafuckas are hilarious. I was wondering if anyone was gonna try to Conway this shit but lol and behold, y'all conwaying for free.
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Hahahaha you guys are so damn transparent. How in the fuck do you spin Flynn resignation as a good thing and a win for trump. You muthafuckas are hilarious. I was wondering if anyone was gonna try to Conway this shit but lol and behold, y'all conwaying for free.
Obama stuck with his losers like powers, holders, geithner, hillary and rice,. At least this guy is gone now.
Now go get your shine box.
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Obama stuck with his losers like powers, holders, geithner, hillary and rice,. At least this guy is gone now.
Now go get your shine box.
Aye I swear to god that I just busted out laughing at this...
"Now go get your shine box"
Hahahahahah get cho little ass out of here.
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Hahahaha you guys are so damn transparent. How in the fuck do you spin Flynn resignation as a good thing and a win for trump. You muthafuckas are hilarious. I was wondering if anyone was gonna try to Conway this shit but lol and behold, y'all conwaying for free.
WTF are you talking about? He's out before anyone potentially got killed unlike the Obama administration that covered up their intentional murders and then lied about it. Go ahead, deny it.
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So he does or doesn't have the full confidence and support of the president...
Is he part of the "best people" Trump was talking about hiring...
Dude, trump fucked up. He's human. Admit it and move on. Sucking this dudes balls makes you look silly. Dude fucked up, that's it. Jesus Christ you guys are insane with the partisanship. It has to be exhausting.
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Aye I swear to god that I just busted out laughing at this...
"Now go get your shine box"
Hahahahahah get cho little ass out of here.
Ok chubbs - whatever you say.
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Snowflakes still melting over Obama, now melting over this clown.
Double-melt, very alpha.
Shitshow just started, buttercup. Suck it up.
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Snowflakes still melting over Obama, now melting over this clown.
Double-melt, very alpha.
Shitshow just started, buttercup. Suck it up.
^
:'(
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Obviously this is a bad thing.
WTF are you talking about? He's out before anyone potentially got killed unlike the Obama administration that covered up their intentional murders and then lied about it. Go ahead, deny it.
Which intentional murders are you speaking of?
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So he does or doesn't have the full confidence and support of the president...
Is he part of the "best people" Trump was talking about hiring...
Dude, trump fucked up. He's human. Admit it and move on. Sucking this dudes balls makes you look silly. Dude fucked up, that's it. Jesus Christ you guys are insane with the partisanship. It has to be exhausting.
As a partisan, you would know.
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Very disappointed in this guy. No way did he "forget" to tell Pence about the substance of his conversation. I'm all about forgiveness and I like him, but he needed to go.
And get this: someone misled people and was fired. Big contrast from President Obama and his people (Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, etc.).
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And get this: someone misled people and was fired. Big contrast from President Obama and his people (Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, etc.).
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As a partisan, you would know.
See the problem with this assertion is that it's completely inaccurate. See, I criticized all of Obamas policies I didn't agree with. But I'll say it again for the record. Didn't like ACA.... didn't like the GITMO promise that was never kept. Didn't like the lack of infrastructure spending on the bail out. Was pissed no one from wall street was prosecuted for the financial fall out among other things. . And this is like the 20th time I put this list
You would have to be a complete asshole to like everything someone does.
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You ain't never seen me spin no shit like this for Obama.
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See the problem with this assertion is that it's completely inaccurate. See, I criticized all of Obamas policies I didn't agree with. But I'll say it again for the record. Didn't like ACA.... didn't like the GITMO promise that was never kept. Didn't like the lack of infrastructure spending on the bail out. Was pissed no one from wall street was prosecuted for the financial fall out among other things. . And this is like the 20th time I put this list
You would have to be a complete asshole to like everything someone does.
Yes you criticized Obama on occasion for not being liberal enough.
I don't think there is anything wrong with someone liking everything someone does. People are entitled to their own opinions, beliefs, etc.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with someone liking everything someone does. People are entitled to their own opinions, beliefs, etc.
Then they wouldn't be their own opinions and beliefs...
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Then they wouldn't be their own opinions and beliefs...
Why not? They might have the same opinions and beliefs.
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Yes you criticized Obama on occasion for not being liberal enough.
I don't think there is anything wrong with someone liking everything someone does. People are entitled to their own opinions, beliefs, etc.
Yes which means I wasn't partisan.
To be in lock step with everyone's belief is fucking insane
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Yes which means I wasn't partisan.
To be in lock step with everyone's belief is fucking insane
Uh, no. Saying someone isn't liberal enough isn't being nonpartisan. Supporting candidates regardless of party is being nonpartisan.
I disagree that people cannot share the same beliefs. Nothing insane about that. What's insane is entire groups of people supporting a party that does nothing for them, repeatedly voting against their own self interests.
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Uh, no. Saying someone isn't liberal enough isn't being nonpartisan. Supporting candidates regardless of party is being nonpartisan.
I disagree that people cannot share the same beliefs. Nothing insane about that. What's insane is entire groups of people supporting a party that does nothing for them, repeatedly voting against their own self interests.
Both parties have tons of people that this describes is the unfortunate reality.
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Both parties have tons of people that this describes is the unfortunate reality.
Yep. That's partly why we have so many hacks running the country.
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Yep. That's partly why we have so many hacks running the country.
No lie.
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At least Flynn had the integrity to step down and Trump had the integrity to accept. To think all it took was the murder of four Americans and multiple political shows to get caught in a blatant lie for Rice, Obama and Clinton with still an ongoing investigation even after they're out office to realize what we knew all along
Absolute trash post. Flynn's stepping down had nothing to do with integrity. No one- not even you- believes that. The only reason anyone cares about that phone call is because it is yet more evidence of this administration's seedy ties to Russia. This is Trump's third crony to step down because of collusion with Russia. As much as psychopath repugs like you want to pretend that Benghazi was the darkest liberal conspiracy of the last 20 years, Kevin McCarthy admitted that the investigations were just political theater to hurt Clinton's election chances. That's not the case here.
Uh, no. Saying someone isn't liberal enough isn't being nonpartisan. Supporting candidates regardless of party is being nonpartisan.
Giving Kelly Ann Conjob a run for her money ::)
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The conwaying is strong in this room. It's for real laughable to see what we've become. I thought we were elite, a cut above.. seems like I was mistaken.
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Absolute trash post. Flynn's stepping down had nothing to do with integrity. No one- not even you- believes that. The only reason anyone cares about that phone call is because it is yet more evidence of this administration's seedy ties to Russia. This is Trump's third crony to step down because of collusion with Russia. As much as psychopath repugs like you want to pretend that Benghazi was the darkest liberal conspiracy of the last 20 years, Kevin McCarthy admitted that the investigations were just political theater to hurt Clinton's election chances. That's not the case here.
Giving Kelly Ann Conjob a run for her money ::)
You'd be surprised, bro.
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Absolute trash post. Flynn's stepping down had nothing to do with integrity. No one- not even you- believes that. The only reason anyone cares about that phone call is because it is yet more evidence of this administration's seedy ties to Russia. This is Trump's third crony to step down because of collusion with Russia. As much as psychopath repugs like you want to pretend that Benghazi was the darkest liberal conspiracy of the last 20 years, Kevin McCarthy admitted that the investigations were just political theater to hurt Clinton's election chances. That's not the case here.
Giving Kelly Ann Conjob a run for her money ::)
Seedy ties to Russia. lol. Cue the sinister music and smoke-filled room. All we need is a Vincent Price voice over.
"Psychopath repugs." That is the funniest thing I've heard today. After watching how liberals have been literally been acting like crazy people, assaulting folks, setting fires, destroying property, babbling, etc. That's really funny.
You people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome have really set the bar too high for yourselves. There really isn't anywhere to go after making such repeated, ridiculous comments and allegations. Unless you take a page from the partisans who hated Bill Clinton and start accusing Trump of murder. That's probably next.
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You'd be surprised, bro.
Whilst others may be, I can assure you most assuredly, I wouldn't be. And that's the bee's knees.
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Seedy ties to Russia. lol. Cue the sinister music and smoke-filled room. All we need is a Vincent Price voice over.
"Psychopath repugs." That is the funniest thing I've heard today. After watching how liberals have been literally been acting like crazy people, assaulting folks, setting fires, destroying property, babbling, etc. That's really funny.
You people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome have really set the bar too high for yourselves. There really isn't anywhere to go after making such repeated, ridiculous comments and allegations. Unless you take a page from the partisans who hated Bill Clinton and start accusing Trump of murder. That's probably next.
Allegations like "The president is ineligible because his really from Africa"
Like that?
Fuckin guys disgust me
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Allegations like "The president is ineligible because his really from Africa"
Like that?
Fuckin guys disgust me
Oh no, they have greatly surpassed the birther nonsense. But if you're a partisan, you may not be able to see Trump Derangement Syndrome in full effect.
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A question I have about this.
How much worse are the protests or whatever for the Trump presidency when comparing to the Tea Party protests when Obama took office?
Were there Tea Party riots in 2008?
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A question I have about this.
How much worse are the protests or whatever for the Trump presidency when comparing to the Tea Party protests when Obama took office?
Were there Tea Party riots in 2008?
I haven't seen anything like this in the recent past. I don't recall Tea Party riots. Or Tea Party members acting like fascists, beating people up, burning down buildings, etc. This is a new level of craziness.
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I haven't seen anything like this in the recent past. I don't recall Tea Party riots. Or Tea Party members acting like fascists, beating people up, burning down buildings, etc. This is a new level of craziness.
I think I agree with you. I don't recall the protests being quite so destructive.
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Allegations like "The president is ineligible because his really from Africa"
Like that?
Fuckin guys disgust me
Hey fatty - that started because of what obama told the editor of the school paper remember ?
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Hey fatty - that started because of what obama told the editor of the school paper remember ?
He's not fat.
I'm fat.
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What's considered fat? I'm definitely not stage ready... :'(
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He's not fat.
I'm fat.
option D has 3 chins for F's sake.
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Lol yeah I'm fat ::)
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Seedy ties to Russia. lol. Cue the sinister music and smoke-filled room. All we need is a Vincent Price voice over.
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Senators from both parties pledge to deepen probe of Russia and the 2016 election
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/top-senate-republican-blunt-says-congress-should-probe-flynn-situation/2017/02/14/8abbcad4-f2d5-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html?utm_term=.941909aa3d19
LOL @ these partisan hacks overreacting. I'm not kidding myself that these investigations will be anything other than a kneepadding joke, but they know exactly why they have to play this game for the press.
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Fat and lovin it
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I haven't seen anything like this in the recent past. I don't recall Tea Party riots. Or Tea Party members acting like fascists, beating people up, burning down buildings, etc. This is a new level of craziness.
The liberals are usually younger and a lot of misdirected useless "protest" styles are used. Super silly and counterproductive. Tea party was bat shot crazy but organized. The are young lib protest groups that are crying and throwing tantrums.
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Fat and lovin it
Can you open a water bottle?
;D
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Fat and lovin it
Bloofy
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Bloofy
Um ok 😌
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Bloofy
I don't think bloofy means what you think it means.
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Um ok 😌
I'm just busting balls. Im glad you got your situation under control before you went off the deep end and ended up on "My 600lb life"
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Back to subject:
BREAKING: Trump has offered national security adviser job to Vice Admiral Robert Harward - sources.
Dude's a former SEAL, and Mad Dog Mattis approved
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Flynn's firing was a sign of Trump having integrity and high ethical standards?
“I think he’s been treated very, very unfairly by the media — as I call it, the ‘fake media,’ in many cases — and I think it’s really a sad thing that he was treated so badly,” Trump said at a news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. “I think in addition to that, from intelligence, papers are being leaked, things are being leaked.”
WTF?! ??? Even he is not playing along with that narrative.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/15/trump-reveled-in-leaks-that-hurt-hillary-clinton-he-now-calls-administration-disclosures-un-american/?utm_term=.7f9ef70cb9ac
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This is the undoing of the Trump Administration, right here.
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Back to subject:
BREAKING: Trump has offered national security adviser job to Vice Admiral Robert Harward - sources.
Dude's a former SEAL, and Mad Dog Mattis approved
As long as we don't get into another war over oil or some shit that continues to stretch US resources that we CAN NOT afford to pay for.
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Senators from both parties pledge to deepen probe of Russia and the 2016 election
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/top-senate-republican-blunt-says-congress-should-probe-flynn-situation/2017/02/14/8abbcad4-f2d5-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html?utm_term=.941909aa3d19
LOL @ these partisan hacks overreacting. I'm not kidding myself that these investigations will be anything other than a kneepadding joke, but they know exactly why they have to play this game for the press.
I wonder if they are going to investigate the "seedy ties" to Russia? This could be a blockbuster. Maybe there is evidence that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate?? :o
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The liberals are usually younger and a lot of misdirected useless "protest" styles are used. Super silly and counterproductive. Tea party was bat shot crazy but organized. The are young lib protest groups that are crying and throwing tantrums.
They're doing a whole lot more than throwing tantrums. These people are dangerous.
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I wonder if they are going to investigate the "seedy ties" to Russia? This could be a blockbuster. Maybe there is evidence that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate?? :o
If there is. We will never know.
Well. I say that now.
My mind says that if they find this out, that for the sake of the nation, they would have Trump step down and he would do so quietly without issue.
Of course can you really say any of us know what Trump would actually do? He may just stand up and say F you to everyone.
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I wonder if they are going to investigate the "seedy ties" to Russia? This could be a blockbuster. Maybe there is evidence that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate?? :o
From article:
“We are aggressively going to continue the oversight responsibilities of the committee as it relates to not only the Russian involvement in the 2016 election, but again any contacts by any campaign individuals that might have happened with Russian government officials,” said Burr, the chairman of the intelligence panel.
Added Warner, the vice chairman, “The press reports are troubling, and the sooner we can get to the veracity of those press reports or not, then we’ll take the next appropriate step.”
I guess you are convincing yourself that you are being sarcastic and trying to figure out new ways to misinterpret what I wrote. I guess this will be like that time you spent however many pages pretending you didn't know what a vaccine was. ::)
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They're doing a whole lot more than throwing tantrums. These people are dangerous.
Of course
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If there is. We will never know.
Well. I say that now.
My mind says that if they find this out, that for the sake of the nation, they would have Trump step down and he would do so quietly without issue.
Of course can you really say any of us know what Trump would actually do? He may just stand up and say F you to everyone.
You really think it's possible that Trump is some kind of Russian puppet?
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From article:
I guess you are convincing yourself that you are being sarcastic and trying to figure out new ways to misinterpret what I wrote. I guess this will be like that time you spent however many pages pretending you didn't know what a vaccine was. ::)
It's not really sarcasm. It's mocking. I understand you folks have lost your mind since the election. The talking points from the highest levels of government hacks to message board trolls include Russia somehow manipulating the outcome of our election that resulted in Trump winning the election. It's stupid on a 9/11 Troofer level. I find it pretty amusing. :)
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You really think it's possible that Trump is some kind of Russian puppet?
Unwillingly?
Possibly. I can't really say for sure.
Here's what I do think is accurate. Trump loves to be loved. If the Russian government buddies up to him, his desire to be liked could allow them to plant seeds into his head.
I'm not saying that it is happening or has.
However, I have to ask this.
When did Trump know about this? Reports are that he knew 18 days before everyone else.
Reports are also that he hid this from his own VP.
Why?
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I just think it's funny watching Trump insult the IC on Twitter. Because this is always smart, piss off those who don't trust/respect you, and who probably already got enough dirt to put you in prison. Gonna get good here soon.
Impeachment, resignation, national disgrace. Better, even, than assassination.
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Unwillingly?
Possibly. I can't really say for sure.
Here's what I do think is accurate. Trump loves to be loved. If the Russian government buddies up to him, his desire to be liked could allow them to plant seeds into his head.
I'm not saying that it is happening or has.
However, I have to ask this.
When did Trump know about this? Reports are that he knew 18 days before everyone else.
Reports are also that he hid this from his own VP.
Why?
This is sort of like the birther stuff. When you step back and think about it, it really makes no sense.
If I'm following the current line of thinking about these "seedy Russian ties" (not by you):
1. At some point during the presidential election cycle, someone from the Russian government was in contact with Trump in an effort to gain some kind of favor if he was elected president.
2. Someone in the Russian government then worked with WikiLeaks to hack Podesta's email, obtaining truthful information, which WikiLeaks then released, in cooperation with Trump.
3. The release of this information caused Trump to be elected president.
4. Trump is now beholden to Russia, and will be doing some unspecified acts that benefit Russia.
Sounds pretty loony.
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This is sort of like the birther stuff. When you step back and think about it, it really makes no sense.
If I'm following the current line of thinking about these "seedy Russian ties" (not by you):
1. At some point during the presidential election cycle, someone from the Russian government was in contact with Trump in an effort to gain some kind of favor if he was elected president.
2. Someone in the Russian government then worked with WikiLeaks to hack Podesta's email, obtaining truthful information, which WikiLeaks then released, in cooperation with Trump.
3. The release of this information caused Trump to be elected president.
4. Trump is now beholden to Russia, and will be doing some unspecified acts that benefit Russia.
Sounds pretty loony.
I don't think it's a beholden type of thing.
More of a if someone were to nudge trump to do something that just happens to benefit Russia, he might be convinced to do it. Not like he HAS to do it.
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I don't think it's a beholden type of thing.
More of a if someone were to nudge trump to do something that just happens to benefit Russia, he might be convinced to do it. Not like he HAS to do it.
But what about how crazy this conspiracy theory is? Like most of these nutty theories, when you actually piece them together from start to finish, they don't make sense. There are gaping holes. No way Russia would have targeted Trump, who nobody believed had a snowball's chance. They would have targeted someone who they thought was electable.
I actually Hillary is a more logical target, particularly given all of the foreign money she took.
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until an official transcript of the phone call/calls are released, it's natural to remain skeptical.
Remember, these are the same 3-letter agencies that swore that there were WMD's, were involved in Fast and Furious, supplied "rebels" with guns/ammo, etc., etc., etc.
feels like the remnants of previous administrations are "marking their territory" so-to-speak
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until an official transcript of the phone call/calls are released, it's natural to remain skeptical.
Remember, these are the same 3-letter agencies that swore that there were WMD's, were involved in Fast and Furious, supplied "rebels" with guns/ammo, etc., etc., etc.
feels like the remnants of previous administrations are "marking their territory" so-to-speak
Skeptical of what? That someone in the Russian government worked with Trump to help him get elected with the intent of gaining favors?
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It's not really sarcasm. It's mocking.
Once again, displaying how your understanding of English is unique from the way most other English speakers use it. :-\
I understand you folks have lost your mind since the election. The talking points from the highest levels of government hacks to message board trolls include Russia somehow manipulating the outcome of our election that resulted in Trump winning the election. It's stupid on a 9/11 Troofer level. I find it pretty amusing. :)
Julian Assange was open about the fact that the hacks were meant to influence the election. There are members on this board who say the hacks influenced their votes, as well as members who say the hacks should have influenced others' votes. GOP House members are calling for an investigation (albeit, one that will most likely be toothless) into Trumpites contact with Russia. The stupidity is in pretending all of that is a leftist conspiracy.
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Once again, displaying how your understanding of English is unique from the way most other English speakers use it. :-\
Julian Assange was open about the fact that the hacks were meant to influence the election. There are members on this board who say the hacks influenced their votes, as well as members who say the hacks should have influenced others' votes. GOP House members are calling for an investigation (albeit, one that will most likely be toothless) into Trumpites contact with Russia. The stupidity is in pretending all of that is a leftist conspiracy.
I know I'm wasting my time with you, but for the benefit of anyone else who might be reading, you can mock someone without using sarcasm.
Wait. So the truthful information released by WikiLeaks "influenced" the election? Is that why Trump won? It wasn't because Hillary was incredibly dishonest and one of the most unpopular and least trustworthy presidential candidates in American history?
Investigation into what? Go ahead and say it. You believe Putin conspired with Trump, while Trump was a candidate, to try and "rig" the election so Trump would win, and subsequently gain some kind of favors from Trump. Go ahead and say it, so I can mock you some more. ;D
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Skeptical of what? That someone in the Russian government worked with Trump to help him get elected with the intent of gaining favors?
Touché.
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But what about how crazy this conspiracy theory is? Like most of these nutty theories, when you actually piece them together from start to finish, they don't make sense. There are gaping holes. No way Russia would have targeted Trump, who nobody believed had a snowball's chance. They would have targeted someone who they thought was electable.
I actually Hillary is a more logical target, particularly given all of the foreign money she took.
Oh. I agree. It really is pretty out there.
Even when I type it out myself it just seems kooky.
I don't say it with any real seriousness either. It's just random drivel in this instance. I agree there are holes and you are absolutely right, Hillary would be a more likely target.
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I know I'm wasting my time with you, but for the benefit of anyone else who might be reading, you can mock someone without using sarcasm.
Yes, but when you mock someone by USING sarcasm that is not mocking someone without using sarcasm. Unless when you said that Trump might be a Manchurian candidate you actually meant that? ???
Wait. So the truthful information released by WikiLeaks "influenced" the election? Is that why Trump won? It wasn't because Hillary was incredibly dishonest and one of the most unpopular and least trustworthy presidential candidates in American history?
Yeah, it's not like people take more than one thing into consideration when they vote or anything. It's not like both candidates were considered subpar (weren't you anti-Trump for most of the primaries?) and curated email leaks could have had an adverse impact on Clinton's campaign in a tight race. It's not like Clinton's polling numbers took hits as a result of email leaks and subsequent investigations. (There is an extended example of sarcasm.HTH)
Investigation into what? Go ahead and say it. You believe Putin conspired with Trump, while Trump was a candidate, to try and "rig" the election so Trump would win, and subsequently gain some kind of favors from Trump. Go ahead and say it, so I can mock you some more. ;D
So, wait... I'm not even sure what you're asking me here. Are you claiming that the bipartisan calls to investigate Trumpites ties to Russia are a figment of my imagination?
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I agree there are holes and you are absolutely right, Hillary would be a more likely target.
??? This makes no sense. Strategically, the point of targeting Trump was that he was an outsider who had expressed favorable views of Russia.
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If Bill Clinton had a hand in Trump running (I can't believe otherwise) due to thinking "this guy can't get elected" like practically everyone else thought, then what does it say.
If they get Trump, that's where they'd better look next: Bill Clinton.
But seriously, no. Too many unconnected dots and too long a way to go to pin anything on anyone, from the info we have. Could be more fake news.
None of it makes sense ATM, so the story should be investigated correctly or dropped. Quit bothering us with this bull.
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By what I've seen, this involves an accusation of "influencing" of some sort.
So I'd like to ask this:
In what way should it be said, that "influence" was gained? What is the presumed thought-process involved with those who were "influenced" as is claimed?
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??? This makes no sense. Strategically, the point of targeting Trump was that he was an outsider who had expressed favorable views of Russia.
He just said some stuff at that point.
Plus, what DX says is right. He was unlikely to win. Why waste effort on the loser?
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He just said some stuff at that point.
Plus, what DX says is right. He was unlikely to win. Why waste effort on the loser?
No, Donald's praise of Putin was extensive and effusive. Here's an article that details exactly how much Donald wanted to suck Putin off:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/trump-putin-timeline
On top of that Putin already had an established rocky relationship with Clinton and she was part of the administration that collapsed the ruble.
If you were Putin and you were going to tamper with the election, who do you think would be more beholden to you: the frontrunner with whom you have a long, icy history or the underdog who has a mancrush on you and whose most prominent staff have assorted high-dollar,high-level business dealings in your country?The underdog whose multiple bankruptcies resulted in American banks refusing to lend to him and who allegedly won't release his tax returns because it would detail the size of debt he owes to Russian banks? Gee, which one would be more thankful?
It was relatively little effort for an extraordinary amount to gain. Do you realize how much a favorable relationship with the US would benefit Russia? Even ignoring the possibility of Trump and Putin colluding to sway the election, just having Trump in the White House would have been way more advantageous for Russia than having Hillary there. So, no, it wasn't a zero sum game. And, sure, Trump was the underdog, but he was hardly an astronomical longshot. Here's a link to a thread I started in September of 2015 commenting on his momentum and the likelihood he would clinch the Republican nomination:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=579450.0
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/how-putin-s-russia-gained-control-of-a-u-s-uranium-mine (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/how-putin-s-russia-gained-control-of-a-u-s-uranium-mine)
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Intelligence Official: Transcripts Of Flynn's Calls Don't Show Criminal Wrongdoing
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing)
A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, although the official noted that doesn't rule out the possibility of illegal actions.
The official also says that there are recordings as well as transcripts of the calls, and that the transcripts don't suggest Flynn was acting under orders in his conversations.
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Intelligence Official: Transcripts Of Flynn's Calls Don't Show Criminal Wrongdoing
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing)
A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, although the official noted that doesn't rule out the possibility of illegal actions.
The official also says that there are recordings as well as transcripts of the calls, and that the transcripts don't suggest Flynn was acting under orders in his conversations.
Liberals are already in a frenzy - dont bother them w reality.
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In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
- Eisenhower's Farewell Address, 1961
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Yes, but when you mock someone by USING sarcasm that is not mocking someone without using sarcasm. Unless when you said that Trump might be a Manchurian candidate you actually meant that? ???
Yeah, it's not like people take more than one thing into consideration when they vote or anything. It's not like both candidates were considered subpar (weren't you anti-Trump for most of the primaries?) and curated email leaks could have had an adverse impact on Clinton's campaign in a tight race. It's not like Clinton's polling numbers took hits as a result of email leaks and subsequent investigations. (There is an extended example of sarcasm.HTH)
So, wait... I'm not even sure what you're asking me here. Are you claiming that the bipartisan calls to investigate Trumpites ties to Russia are a figment of my imagination?
Oh so now you're acknowledging that you can mock someone without using sarcasm? Good.
I was a Never Trump voter. Did not vote for him. After the election, I gave him a clean slate and want to give him a chance to lead.
But back to these "seedy Russian ties." If the conspiracy differs from how I outlined it earlier, walk me through exactly how this whole thing worked.
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And, sure, Trump was the underdog, but he was hardly an astronomical longshot. Here's a link to a thread I started in September of 2015 commenting on his momentum and the likelihood he would clinch the Republican nomination:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=579450.0
Trump was not an astronomical longshot?? lol
Here is what you said, from your own link:
He's so at odds with what the GOP has claimed to stand for for the last quarter century that I find it hard to believe that the nomination is a lock for him. However, there's no denying that he has a ton of momentum. If he wins the nomination, will this mark a major idealogical shift for the GOP? They've had a bit of a personality crisis for a while now. For the last few election cycles it seems like they get really excited over anyone who's not business as usual, then just wind up abandoning that person for Boringum McTypicalPolitician.
You didn't say he was likely to win the nomination. "Alternative facts."
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5BfzDlWMAEf9uG.jpg:large)
but Gen. Flynn, ammirite?!
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5BfzDlWMAEf9uG.jpg:large)
but Gen. Flynn, ammirite?!
Didn't Trump just get some trademark rights from China as well?
Kind of weird how that worked out no?
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Didn't Trump just get some trademark rights from China as well?
Kind of weird how that worked out no?
Didn't Clinton approve the sell of uranium to Russia as well?
Kind of weird how that worked out no?
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Didn't Clinton approve the sell of uranium to Russia as well?
Kind of weird how that worked out no?
Actually. It's a little more complicated.
Now. She may have. But it's hard to find who voted for what. Here's some bullet items I found. I do make the assumption that she signed off on the deal.
Copied:
The mines, mills, and land the company holds in the US account for 20 percent of the US’s uranium production capacity, not actual produced uranium.
The State Department was one of nine federal agencies and a number of additional independent federal and state regulators that signed off on the deal.
President Obama, not Secretary Clinton, was the only person who could’ve vetoed the deal.
Since Russia doesn’t have the legal right to export uranium out of the US, its main goal was likely to gain access to the company’s uranium assets in Kazakhstan.
Crucially, the main national security concern was not about nuclear weapons proliferation, as Trump suggests, but actually ensuring the US doesn’t have to depend too much on uranium sources from abroad, as the US only makes about 20 percent of the uranium it needs. An advantage in making nuclear weapons wasn’t the main issue because, as PolitiFact notes, “the United States and Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.”
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Intelligence Official: Transcripts Of Flynn's Calls Don't Show Criminal Wrongdoing
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/15/515437291/intelligence-official-transcripts-of-flynns-calls-dont-show-criminal-wrongdoing)
A current U.S. intelligence official tells NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that there is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing in the transcripts of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, although the official noted that doesn't rule out the possibility of illegal actions.
The official also says that there are recordings as well as transcripts of the calls, and that the transcripts don't suggest Flynn was acting under orders in his conversations.
So why did Trump Fire him?
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Trump was not an astronomical longshot?? lol
Here is what you said, from your own link:
You didn't say he was likely to win the nomination. "Alternative facts."
??? Right in the quote you posted I say he has a ton of momentum. Exactly where you bolded, I said why I didn't think he was a lock. The entire point of the thread was about him being the likely nominee. "Likely" =/= "lock" ::)
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Oh so now you're acknowledging that you can mock someone without using sarcasm? Good.
I nevers said that you can't mock someone without sarcasm. What I did say is that if you use sarcasm, then it is sarcasm. You were using the word incorrectly.
I was a Never Trump voter. Did not vote for him. After the election, I gave him a clean slate and want to give him a chance to lead.
So, in other words, as circumstances changed, that influenced how you felt about Donald.
But back to these "seedy Russian ties." If the conspiracy differs from how I outlined it earlier, walk me through exactly how this whole thing worked.
I'm not even sure what you outlined. From what I got from your previous posts, you're claiming that when Mitch McConnell, Roy Blunt, Peter King called for an investigation into Trump administration ties to Russia it was a figment of my imagination? Or that those Republican legislators are a part of the liberal media conspiracy?
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So why did Trump Fire him?
You been under a rock? Start at beginning of thread. No need for someone to hold your hand
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So why did Trump Fire him?
Because he did the thing he told him to do. Then they found out the thing was bad.
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You been under a rock? Start at beginning of thread. No need for someone to hold your hand
Haha,yep.
Another nothing story mixed with fake news, allegations, innuendo, false reporting and narrative shaping to create something from nothing.
Too funny.
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Haha,yep.
Another nothing story mixed with fake news, allegations, innuendo, false reporting and narrative shaping to create something from nothing.
Too funny.
So why are they asking for the tapes to remain intact?
None of this is fake news. Sorry.
As a matter of fact, why does Trump not seem to be able to answer the question about the discussions?
Look. I am not saying anything done was wrong, but if there's no wrong doing, Trump saying he did nothing wrong would have squashed it.
Telling Pence beforehand so he knew would have helped with that.
It's definitely not fake news. Even Fox News just asked questions and got no answers. Fake news is the shit that is posted around Facebook and other such nonsense. Not Fox, ABC, NBC,CBS, or CNN.
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Any negative polls are fake news lmao
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Any negative polls are fake news lmao
Tell that to your girl Hillary.
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"Most importantly, Gen. Flynn is opposed to the Russia-is-the-Enemy war party that rules the US on corporate media, big money, government, and dark-state levels."
Is this true? Was Flynn working for peace with Russia? If so, it's a shame to see him go.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-decapitates-the-russia-peace-initiative/5575052 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-decapitates-the-russia-peace-initiative/5575052)
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I nevers said that you can't mock someone without sarcasm. What I did say is that if you use sarcasm, then it is sarcasm. You were using the word incorrectly.
So, in other words, as circumstances changed, that influenced how you felt about Donald.
I'm not even sure what you outlined. From what I got from your previous posts, you're claiming that when Mitch McConnell, Roy Blunt, Peter King called for an investigation into Trump administration ties to Russia it was a figment of my imagination? Or that those Republican legislators are a part of the liberal media conspiracy?
You didn't understand that the words mocking and sarcasm were not necessarily synonymous. I'm glad you now understand they are not. Then again, you are the same person who tried to tell me that "global warming" and "climate change" were different.
The "circumstances" that change was Trump won the election. Whenever a new president wins his first term, I give him the benefit of the doubt and hope for success. You might struggle with that concept, because you have blind allegiance to your party.
What I outlined is right here:
This is sort of like the birther stuff. When you step back and think about it, it really makes no sense.
If I'm following the current line of thinking about these "seedy Russian ties" (not by you):
1. At some point during the presidential election cycle, someone from the Russian government was in contact with Trump in an effort to gain some kind of favor if he was elected president.
2. Someone in the Russian government then worked with WikiLeaks to hack Podesta's email, obtaining truthful information, which WikiLeaks then released, in cooperation with Trump.
3. The release of this information caused Trump to be elected president.
4. Trump is now beholden to Russia, and will be doing some unspecified acts that benefit Russia.
Sounds pretty loony.
Do you agree with this? If not, please walk me through exactly how these "seedy ties" to Russia resulted in Trump getting elected president and how this whole conspiracy is supposed to work.
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So why did Trump Fire him?
Because he misrepresented facts to VP Pence.
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??? Right in the quote you posted I say he has a ton of momentum. Exactly where you bolded, I said why I didn't think he was a lock. The entire point of the thread was about him being the likely nominee. "Likely" =/= "lock" ::)
Your exact words:
And, sure, Trump was the underdog, but he was hardly an astronomical longshot. Here's a link to a thread I started in September of 2015 commenting on his momentum and the likelihood he would clinch the Republican nomination:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=579450.0
He's so at odds with what the GOP has claimed to stand for for the last quarter century that I find it hard to believe that the nomination is a lock for him. However, there's no denying that he has a ton of momentum. If he wins the nomination, will this mark a major idealogical shift for the GOP? They've had a bit of a personality crisis for a while now. For the last few election cycles it seems like they get really excited over anyone who's not business as usual, then just wind up abandoning that person for Boringum McTypicalPolitician.
You have got to be kidding me. Saying you find it "hard to believe the nomination is a lock for him" is not saying he would likely win the nomination.
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You didn't understand that the words mocking and sarcasm were not necessarily synonymous. I'm glad you now understand they are not.
No, I never said that the words were "not necessarily synonymous." What I said was that in the very specific case of you using sarcasm, they weren't distinct. You posted a sarcastic statement, then for some reason, claimed it wasn't sarcasm, it was just mocking. If you use sarcasm to mock something, that doesn't stop it from being sarcasm. You incorrectly used the word.
The "circumstances" that change was Trump won the election. Whenever a new president wins his first term, I give him the benefit of the doubt and hope for success. You might struggle with that concept, because you have blind allegiance to your party.
So, like I said, the circumstances influenced your feelings on Trump. Just like other circumstances, like... oh, I don't know, the leaked emails you were talking about in the post I was referencing... might influence other voters.
Do you agree with this? If not, please walk me through exactly how these "seedy ties" to Russia resulted in Trump getting elected president and how this whole conspiracy is supposed to work.
When people investigate suspicious issues/activities, why do you think they do it? Do you think it is because they have all of the answers before the investigation and the investigation is just for fun? Or do you think it is to gain a level of clarity on seedy activity?
Your exact words:
My EXACT WORDS:
I find it hard to believe that the nomination is a lock for him. However, there's no denying that he has a ton of momentum.
Posted in a thread I started asking how the Republican party will change if he clinches the nomination.
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Because he misrepresented facts to VP Pence.
Why do you think Flynn would misrepresent those specific facts?
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No, I never said that the words were "not necessarily synonymous." What I said was that in the very specific case of you using sarcasm, they weren't distinct. You posted a sarcastic statement, then for some reason, claimed it wasn't sarcasm, it was just mocking. If you use sarcasm to mock something, that doesn't stop it from being sarcasm. You incorrectly used the word.
So, like I said, the circumstances influenced your feelings on Trump. Just like other circumstances, like... oh, I don't know, the leaked emails you were talking about in the post I was referencing... might influence other voters.
When people investigate suspicious issues/activities, why do you think they do it? Do you think it is because they have all of the answers before the investigation and the investigation is just for fun? Or do you think it is to gain a level of clarity on seedy activity?
My EXACT WORDS:
I find it hard to believe that the nomination is a lock for him. However, there's no denying that he has a ton of momentum.
Posted in a thread I started asking how the Republican party will change if he clinches the nomination.
Ok. Whatever. I'm glad you understand the difference now.
The "circumstances" that influenced voters included Hillary being a dishonest, inauthentic, greedy, intemperate, unhealthy, unqualified candidate. Voters didn't want an Obama third term. The fact someone like Trump beat her pretty handily speaks volumes about just how lousy she was.
Waiting for your explanation of how this conspiracy was supposed to work. What are the "seedy ties" to Russia and how did they dictate the outcome of this election? And for what purpose?
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Why do you think Flynn would misrepresent those specific facts?
I have no idea.
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Ok. Whatever. I'm glad you understand the difference now.
That was never the question, though. When you say this:
I wonder if they are going to investigate the "seedy ties" to Russia? This could be a blockbuster. Maybe there is evidence that Trump is a Manchurian Candidate??
Do you believe that Trump is actually a Manchurian candidate? If not, then you are using sarcasm to mock something.
Do you get it now? Or are you still having trouble? :-\
The "circumstances" that influenced voters included Hillary being a dishonest, inauthentic, greedy, intemperate, unhealthy, unqualified candidate. Voters didn't want an Obama third term. The fact someone like Trump beat her pretty handily speaks volumes about just how lousy she was.
Does it? because he beat his 16 republican rivals by even wider margins.
The fact that someone like Trump beat her speaks volumes about just how much the email leaks influenced the election.
Waiting for your explanation of how this conspiracy was supposed to work. What are the "seedy ties" to Russia and how did they dictate the outcome of this election? And for what purpose?
I'll repeat what I asked before:When people investigate suspicious issues/activities, why do you think they do it? Do you think it is because they have all of the answers before the investigation and the investigation is just for fun? Or do you think it is to gain a level of clarity on seedy activity?
I have no idea.
You have no idea why Flynn would lie, but you're 100% there was nothing more to it, though? Because if there was, all of the facts would be apparent BEFORE any investigation? ::)
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That was never the question, though. When you say this:Do you believe that Trump is actually a Manchurian candidate? If not, then you are using sarcasm to mock something.
Do you get it now? Or are you still having trouble? :-\
Does it? because he beat his 16 republican rivals by even wider margins.
The fact that someone like Trump beat her speaks volumes about just how much the email leaks influenced the election.
I'll repeat what I asked before:When people investigate suspicious issues/activities, why do you think they do it? Do you think it is because they have all of the answers before the investigation and the investigation is just for fun? Or do you think it is to gain a level of clarity on seedy activity?
You have no idea why Flynn would lie, but you're 100% there was nothing more to it, though? Because if there was, all of the facts would be apparent BEFORE any investigation? ::)
I was not being sarcastic when I mentioned Manchurian Candidate, because I think you people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome might actually believe it. So, my comment was semi-serious, not really sarcastic, but definitely mocking. That might be too nuanced for you. But it's ok. Keep trying. :)
The GOP field got more than twice as many votes as Trump. He benefited from a large field, fractured support among his rivals, infighting, and the fact Hillary was horrible.
What was it in those leaked emails that influenced the election? Hillary calling for open borders? Her saying she has a public and private position? CNN giving debate questions to Hillary? The condescending comments about minorities?
I see. You don't want to explain how this wacky conspiracy theory works. Maybe you realize how friggin stupid it is? Or have you not actually thought it through? Don't be scared. Just say it. Spell it out.
What the heck does Flynn misrepresenting facts have to do with the price of tea in China? Is that part of your kooky conspiracy theory? Explain it.
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I was not being sarcastic when I mentioned Manchurian Candidate, because I think you people suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome might actually believe it. So, my comment was semi-serious, not really sarcastic, but definitely mocking. That might be too nuanced for you. But it's ok. Keep trying. :)
Too nuanced? LOL. It's pretty transparent in the fact that it's drivel. Your patented blend of willful ignorance, circular logic and blatant diversion could never be mistaken for nuance. So, let's see what the takeaway from this exchange was: you don't understand what "sarcasm" means, you don't understand what "influence" means, you don't understand the purpose of investigating something, you don't understand why a Trump administration official being fired for lying about contact with Russia would be related to the imaginary bi-partisan investigation into ties with Russia that I apparently made up. ::) If your goal was to be so reductive that I stopped engaging with you, then congats! You've reached the bottom of the political discourse barrel. It seems like you manage to understand less and less about the world with every thread you post in.
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Too nuanced? LOL. It's pretty transparent in the fact that it's drivel. Your patented blend of willful ignorance, circular logic and blatant diversion could never be mistaken for nuance. So, let's see what the takeaway from this exchange was: you don't understand what "sarcasm" means, you don't understand what "influence" means, you don't understand the purpose of investigating something, you don't understand why a Trump administration official being fired for lying about contact with Russia would be related to the imaginary bi-partisan investigation into ties with Russia that I apparently made up. ::) If your goal was to be so reductive that I stopped engaging with you, then congats! You've reached the bottom of the political discourse barrel. It seems like you manage to understand less and less about the world with every thread you post in.
lol. This is really funny. But I get it. You are too embarrassed to spell out your stupid conspiracy theory. You will just be the good little hack and continue using your meaningless "seedy ties to Russia" buzz words. Pretty desperate times for you folks. You just cannot come to grips with the fact that the majority of the country doesn't accept your twisted world view.
But anytime you want to spell out that asinine Russia theory, the pages of the board will be waiting.
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Too nuanced? LOL. It's pretty transparent in the fact that it's drivel. Your patented blend of willful ignorance, circular logic and blatant diversion could never be mistaken for nuance. So, let's see what the takeaway from this exchange was: you don't understand what "sarcasm" means, you don't understand what "influence" means, you don't understand the purpose of investigating something, you don't understand why a Trump administration official being fired for lying about contact with Russia would be related to the imaginary bi-partisan investigation into ties with Russia that I apparently made up. ::) If your goal was to be so reductive that I stopped engaging with you, then congats! You've reached the bottom of the political discourse barrel. It seems like you manage to understand less and less about the world with every thread you post in.
What does it mean in this case, though? Any explanation?
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GOP senator says she’s open to demanding Trump’s tax returns as part of Russia probe
A Republican member of the Senate Intelligence Committee says she is open to requesting President Trump’s tax returns as part of the panel’s ongoing investigation into Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 elections.
Sen. Susan Collins of Maine said on a local radio program Wednesday that “many of the members” of the intelligence panel will formally request that ousted national security adviser Michael Flynn testify before the committee.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/22/gop-senator-says-shes-open-to-demanding-trumps-tax-returns-as-part-of-russia-probe/?utm_term=.bc4760f90a0f
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Trump's Russia problem dogs Republicans at town halls
Some Republicans sought to seize on the issue as a rare opportunity to find a bit of common ground with critics, who have been haranguing them to take a tougher line against Trump and his policies.
"Our legal authorities should investigate and follow the rule of law wherever it leads," said Rep. Dave Brat (R-Va.), earning cheers from an otherwise hostile audience in sleepy Blackstone, Virginia, on Tuesday.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-russia-congress-town-halls-235262
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What does it mean in this case, though? Any explanation?
There is no meaning. Their fantasy doesn't match the reality.
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There is no meaning. Their fantasy doesn't match the reality.
IDK. But of all the ppl I'm familiar with who'd like to believe it, not a single one knows.
To say that "influence" took place... well, that's something which requires explanation if it's to be used in an accusatory way. Because without an explanation, there's no way to say whether it exists. And that's a big problem.
Really irresponsible reporting along these lines IMHO and some of these guys should know better.
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IDK. But of all the ppl I'm familiar with who'd like to believe it, not a single one knows.
To say that "influence" took place... well, that's something which requires explanation if it's to be used in an accusatory way. Because without an explanation, there's no way to say whether it exists. And that's a big problem.
Really irresponsible reporting along these lines IMHO and some of these guys should know better.
They do know better and they do know exactly what they are doing. That's the problem. These "reports" the at are based on anonymous sources and "unnamed senior officials who say they are familiar with the matter...." To strike at the admin aren't done by accident or on account of journalistic crusading.
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ya gotta love the Flynnster!
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as Flynn left the courthouse today, why were people chanting: "LOCK...HIM...UP!" ???
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as Flynn left the courthouse today, why were people chanting: "LOCK...HIM...UP!" ???
He's a thug, criminal, traitor, animal, etc
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He's a thug, criminal, traitor, animal, etc
but Trump told Comey that "He (Flynn) is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."
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ya gotta love the Flynnster!
Where are your posts on Clinton?
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Everyone keep in mind that prosecutors still have the option of pulling his plea agreement and bringing further charges against him
Here is Flynn's statement in court today
“After over 33 years of military service to our country, including nearly five years in combat away from my family, and then my decision to continue to serve the United States, it has been extraordinarily painful to endure these many months of false accusations of ‘treason’ and other outrageous acts. Such false accusations are contrary to everything I have ever done and stood for. But I recognize that the actions I acknowledged in court today were wrong, and, through my faith in God, I am working to set things right. My guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with the Special Counsel’s Office reflects a decision I made in the best interests of my family and of our country. I accept full responsibility for my actions.”
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Where are your posts on Clinton?
Whoever is a convicted felon should be punished accordingly.
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Where are your posts on Clinton?
classic "whataboutism"
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Everything President Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn discussed last December with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. — everything that led to his dramatic guilty plea and cooperation agreement Friday with special counsel Robert Mueller — he did with the involvement of the presidential transition team.
That’s the story told in the most important document Mueller released on a Friday that could have intensified the president’s own legal liability: Flynn’s stipulation of the facts underlying his December 2016 conversations with then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak. At least one of those two conversations Flynn undertook at the direction of a “very senior” transition official, the stipulation says.
The documents do not say who directed Flynn to discuss sanctions with Kislyak — a conversation Flynn later reportedly lied about to Vice President Mike Pence, a lie that was the stated reason that Trump fired Flynn in February. But Flynn’s statement, following his Friday guilty plea and agreement to cooperate with Mueller’s probe, shows that the transition team, at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort, was informed at every stage of his discussions with Kislyak.
And that itself raises new questions about what Pence, who ran the presidential transition and publicly affirmed that Flynn never talked to Kislyak about Russia sanctions, actually knew.[/b]
But, according to a former Justice Department official, that “very senior” official named by Mueller is probably in substantial legal jeopardy. If the “very senior” official lied to Mueller’s team about directing Flynn to reach out to the Russians, then Flynn would be poised to testify about that lie.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/very-senior-trump-official-authorized-flynns-russia-outreach
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/very-senior-trump-official-authorized-flynns-russia-outreach
Flynn licking his chops as Pence is shitting bricks.
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Wheres dos or poly :D
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Flynn licking his chops as Pence is shitting bricks.
I wonder if Flynn is pissed he got fired for the phony claim about lying to Pence
Flynn in saying that every contact he had with Russia was at the direction of a senior official and a very senior official (two different people) and that's just what is being revealed to the public at this time
there are at least a few other serious charges that could have been filed against Flynn (and can still be filed if Mueller thinks Flynn is not fully cooperating)
I'm sure people around Trump realize that he will throw any of them under the bus to protect himself
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How is it collusion for a President-Elect or any of his team to talk to a foreign power?
The election is over at that point, and the conversations were about actions taken between the election and the inauguration.
Totally confused here.
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How is it collusion for a President-Elect or any of his team to talk to a foreign power?
The election is over at that point, and the conversations were about actions taken between the election and the inauguration.
Totally confused here.
because they weren't yet in office and it could be violation of the Logan Act
If there was nothing improper about it then why did he lie about it and why did other Trump transition team members potentially lie about it (i.e. contacts with Russia prior to taking office - when Obama was still POTUS)
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How is it collusion for a President-Elect or any of his team to talk to a foreign power?
The election is over at that point, and the conversations were about actions taken between the election and the inauguration.
Totally confused here.
I think it's not about merely having a conversation with a foreign power Special counsel Robert Mueller and several congressional panels are investigating the Trump campaign for allegedly colluding with Russia in its cyber attacks against the 2016 presidential race. If that isn't proven then it will go away. If it is proven then it may get pretty hot for the prez
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because they weren't yet in office and it could be violation of the Logan Act
If there was nothing improper about it then why did he lie about it and why did other Trump transition team members potentially lie about it (i.e. contacts with Russia prior to taking office - when Obama was still POTUS)
Again - this has nothing to do w rigging the election, hillary emails, etc. Its a non story - so he has his incomning national security guy set up a call - AND?
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because they weren't yet in office and it could be violation of the Logan Act
If there was nothing improper about it then why did he lie about it and why did other Trump transition team members potentially lie about it (i.e. contacts with Russia prior to taking office - when Obama was still POTUS)
How could it be a violation of the Logan Act? That would infer that the POTUS elect and his transition team would not be authorized to negotiate with foreign governments and makes no sense. This is just Flynn trying to get some reduced charges\sentence. If you have some case law that you can site that disproves this please provide it, because I can guarantee you this in not the first time a POTUS elect has contact foreign governments
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Again - this has nothing to do w rigging the election, hillary emails, etc. Its a non story - so he has his incomning national security guy set up a call - AND?
Right... and since this is the second indictment where the subjects pleaded guilty.. non story... ::)
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How could it be a violation of the Logan Act? That would infer that the POTUS elect and his transition team would not be authorized to negotiate with foreign governments and makes no sense. This is just Flynn trying to get some reduced charges\sentence. If you have some case law that you can site that disproves this please provide it, because I can guarantee you this in not the first time a POTUS elect has contact foreign governments
that is correct
they are not empowered to negotiate with foreign governments until they are sworn into office
the more interesting question is why he lied about it and if in fact he is being truthful that he was working in coordination with a senior official and a very senior official in the Trump transition then if those people lied they are fucked too.
also, I never said this indicates "collusion" in regards to swinging the election
the special counsel can go after whatever crimes he discovers in the course of his investigation and if these people choose to cooperate it may well lead to even more crimes
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How could it be a violation of the Logan Act? That would infer that the POTUS elect and his transition team would not be authorized to negotiate with foreign governments and makes no sense. This is just Flynn trying to get some reduced charges\sentence. If you have some case law that you can site that disproves this please provide it, because I can guarantee you this in not the first time a POTUS elect has contact foreign governments
This is where the "seedy ties with Russia" come in. There's a lot still up in the air, but as far back as the beginning of the year, we knew that trump administration officials had behaved illegally. In the simplest terms, Flynn is being charged with lying.But one train of logic goes like this:
1)The gov't believes there is evidence that this foreign power illegally hacked into one candidate's email, which ended up being a major factor in the presidential election.
2) You have an administration willing to negotiate with a foreign power during a prohibited period, which suggests pre-existing contact.
The administration lies about prohibited negotiations, which further supports the theory of pre-existing contact.
3) The question becomes how much pre-existing contact was there and did that contact play a part in the hacking? Was there knowledge or coordination beforehand? If so this is very serious- administration contacts committed a crime to sway the election and then began favorable negotiations during a prohibited time frame.
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Again - this has nothing to do w rigging the election, hillary emails, etc. Its a non story - so he has his incomning national security guy set up a call - AND?
You're not serious are you? If so, wow.
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Right... and since this is the second indictment where the subjects pleaded guilty.. non story... ::)
It’s a non story because this investigation is about fake news Trump/Russia collusion
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It’s a non story because this investigation is about fake news Trump/Russia collusion
keep telling yourself that
heck, tell yourself that Flynn didn't actually plead guilty today and isn't cooperating with Mueller
It's all fake news
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because they weren't yet in office and it could be violation of the Logan Act
If there was nothing improper about it then why did he lie about it and why did other Trump transition team members potentially lie about it (i.e. contacts with Russia prior to taking office - when Obama was still POTUS)
But how did this affect the election?
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If he broke the law he should be held accountable. And someone in his position, with his background, should be held to a higher standard IMO.
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But how did this affect the election?
that is correct
they are not empowered to negotiate with foreign governments until they are sworn into office
the more interesting question is why he lied about it and if in fact he is being truthful that he was working in coordination with a senior official and a very senior official in the Trump transition then if those people lied they are fucked too.
also, I never said this indicates "collusion" in regards to swinging the election
the special counsel can go after whatever crimes he discovers in the course of his investigation and if these people choose to cooperate it may well lead to even more crimes
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If he broke the law he should be held accountable. And someone in his position, with his background, should be held to a higher standard IMO.
how about just holding him to the same standard as anyone else
don't lie to the FBI
Pretty sure he knew not to do that (as anyone in DC from an intern up should know) so the larger question is why did he lie. Who did he think he was protecting and from what did he think he was protecting them from
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also, I never said this indicates "collusion" in regards to swinging the election
But it actually could indicate collusion. The hacking was an illegal act and what we do know could suggest ties that go back before the election. If that's the case, then the question is whether or not the hacking took place at the behest of someone on trump's team.
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But it actually could indicate collusion. The hacking was an illegal act and what we do know could suggest ties that go back before the election. If that's the case, then the question is whether or not the hacking took place at the behest of someone on trump's team.
it could well lead to that or it could compel Flynn to reveal other information that confirms collusion
There is a lot of evidence that Trump was acting on information from Wikileaks and perhaps info from Russian sources (due to timing of his statements and then info we learned after the fact about meetings, emails, etc..)
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If he broke the law he should be held accountable. And someone in his position, with his background, should be held to a higher standard IMO.
But no law has been broken with the exception of Flynn being forced Into saying what he said so they don’t go after his house his family and the even reported to go after his son he was left no choice but to cooperate or become destitute and have a family broken up Mueller is a POS
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bet that Jared sleeps like a baby tonight next to Ivanka . . .
tick tock
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But no law has been broken with the exception of Flynn being forced Into saying what he said so they don’t go after his house his family and the even reported to go after his son he was left no choice but to cooperate or become destitute and have a family broken up Mueller is a POS
What grounds do you imagine that Mueller would have to "go after" Flynn's family if he/they didn't do anything wrong
how exactly would Mueller "break up" his family and again on what grounds?
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bet that Jared sleeps like a baby tonight next to Ivanka . . .
tick tock
Sources: Kushner was the 'very senior' transition member mentioned in court filing
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/jared-kushner-michael-flynn-russia/index.html
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But no law has been broken with the exception of Flynn being forced Into saying what he said so they don’t go after his house his family and the even reported to go after his son he was left no choice but to cooperate or become destitute and have a family broken up Mueller is a POS
::) Flynn was "forced into saying what he said" because he broke the law.
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::) Flynn was "forced into saying what he said" because he broke the law.
I explained why.
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I explained why.
what you wrote makes no sense (as is common for your posts)
was "no law broken" or not
If Flynn was "forced into saying what he said" then are you suggesting the Mueller broke the law by "forcing him"?
is that the "exception" you're talking about?
you said But no law has been broken with the exception of Flynn being forced Into saying what he said so they don’t go after his house his family and the even reported to go after his son he was left no choice but to cooperate or become destitute and have a family broken up Mueller is a POS
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I explained why.
No, you didn't. You left out why. You tried to turn it into Flynn being victimized for no reason when any leverage Mueller has on him is entirely due to Flynn breaking the law.
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Sources: Kushner was the 'very senior' transition member mentioned in court filing
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/jared-kushner-michael-flynn-russia/index.html
"The court filings from Flynn's plea hearing Friday say a "very senior member" of Trump's transition team asked Flynn to contact officials from UN Security Council countries, including Russia"
They were colluding with everyone!! My goodness!
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"The court filings from Flynn's plea hearing Friday say a "very senior member" of Trump's transition team asked Flynn to contact officials from UN Security Council countries, including Russia"
They were colluding with everyone!! My goodness!
The fix is in.
And shouldn't they have been colluding with Russia before the election? More tinfoil hat fodder.
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The fix is in.
And shouldn't they have been colluding with Russia before the election? More tinfoil hat fodder.
"The court filings from Flynn's plea hearing Friday say a "very senior member" of Trump's transition team asked Flynn to contact officials from UN Security Council countries, including Russia"
They were colluding with everyone!! My goodness!
LOL
Trumptards gonna Trumptard
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It’s a non story because this investigation is about fake news Trump/Russia collusion
You probably just need to be quiet.. you are doing yourself no favors
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If he broke the law he should be held accountable. And someone in his position, with his background, should be held to a higher standard IMO.
agree
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But no law has been broken with the exception of Flynn being forced Into saying what he said so they don’t go after his house his family and the even reported to go after his son he was left no choice but to cooperate or become destitute and have a family broken up Mueller is a POS
Flynn is the victim? Oh brother..
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You probably just need to be quiet.. you are doing yourself no favors
You, Strawman and me in a bar having a beer without google. Who wins the debate with $1000 on the table?
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You, Strawman and me in a bar having a beer without google. Who wins the debate with $1000 on the table?
LOL - on ANY topic other than tire flipping you would be the hands down loser
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You, Strawman and me in a bar having a beer without google. Who wins the debate with $1000 on the table?
Not you..... Strawman and I split the grand
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Trump tweeted today: "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the VP and the FBI."
So Donald knew that Flynn lied to the FBI when he fired him, and subsequently asked Comey to go easy on Flynn?
haha keep the tweets comin'.
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Trump tweeted today: "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the VP and the FBI."
So Donald knew that Flynn lied to the FBI when he fired him, and subsequently asked Comey to go easy on Flynn?
haha keep the tweets comin'.
Donald will say whatever he thinks serves his best interest. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter. HIs followers will simply say "Hell yeah! he did the right thing when he found out he lied!" when everyone else knows he defended Flynn even while firing him and his stated reason at the time was that he lied to the VP. And.. he kept Flynn on for 2 weeks after he knew Flynn lied.
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Wheres dos or poly :D
I just received a pm stating that my name was brought up in this thread so I will reply and will keep it as plain and succinct as possible.
The OP isn't even American.
Just like the busy body neighbor, I really could care less about his opinion.
For years I have contended that the foreigners text should be 25% font size in comparison to that of Americans.
When they post a thread it should immediately be buried on the third or fourth page behind the posters of greater importance.
And that's not a personal knock on teege, he seems like an okay guy I just feel there should be a pecking order when it comes to these sorts of things.
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I just received a pm stating that my name was brought up in this thread so I will reply and will keep it as plain and succinct as possible.
The OP isn't even American.
Just like the busy body neighbor, I really could care less about his opinion.
For years I have contended that the foreigners text should be 25% font size in comparison to that of Americans.
When they post a thread it should immediately be buried on the third or fourth page behind the posters of greater importance.
And that's not a personal knock on teege, he seems like an okay guy I just feel there should be a pecking order when it comes to these sorts of things.
I'm not American but I have family members who are Americans, and so I have to look out for my family just like General Flynn does.
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You, Strawman and me in a bar having a beer without google. Who wins the debate with $1000 on the table?
A toddler has more brains than you
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I'm not American but I have family members who are Americans, and so I have to look out for my family just like General Flynn does.
By constantly criticising Conservatives on a bodybuilding website? How brave... I'm sure your "family" is proud.
Fuck off
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By constantly criticising Conservatives on a bodybuilding website? How brave... I'm sure your "family" is proud.
Fuck off
I like conservatives and respect anybody who can argue their point persuasively.
But a board that is overrepresented with Trump nuthuggers is a tad boring, no?
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ABC News statement on Michael Flynn report
By ABCNews
Dec 2, 2017, 5:40 PM ET
We deeply regret and apologize for the serious error we made yesterday. The reporting conveyed by Brian Ross during the special report had not been fully vetted through our editorial standards process. As a result of our continued reporting over the next several hours ultimately we determined the information was wrong and we corrected the mistake on air and online.
It is vital we get the story right and retain the trust we have built with our audience –- these are our core principles. We fell far short of that yesterday. Effective immediately, Brian Ross will be suspended for four weeks without pay.
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Trump tweeted today: "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the VP and the FBI."
So Donald knew that Flynn lied to the FBI when he fired him, and subsequently asked Comey to go easy on Flynn?
haha keep the tweets comin'.
Trump knew Flynn was being investigated by the FBI when he hired him
Obama warned Trump not to hire Flynn
Sally Yates warned Trump not to hire Flynn
But Trump has a "very good brain and has said a lot of things" so he didn't feel the need to listen to people trying to give him advice for his own good
The really interesting question is WHY Flynn lied
He is certainly smart enough to know that lying to the FBI is a crime so he must have thought that was the lesser issue than whatever it was he was trying to conceal
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He is certainly smart enough to know that lying to the FBI is a crime so he must have thought that was the lesser issue than whatever it was he was trying to conceal
Not when Hillary Clinton does it. This is obviously an agency that’s in need of a complete overall.
You only have to listen to the first minute of this:
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Not when Hillary Clinton does it. This is obviously an agency that’s in need of a complete overall:
didn't watch
tell me what point in the video that the FBI says that Hillary lied and I'll watch that
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didn't watch
tell me what point in the video that the FBI says that Hillary lied and I'll watch that
Just Watch the first minute that’s all you need to watch.
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Just Watch the first minute that’s all you need to watch.
the only person talking in the first minute is Trey Gowdy
does he work for the FBI ?
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I apologize. I forgot one of the characteristics of the liberalism mental disorder is cognitive dissonance. My bad.
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This is obviously an agency that’s in need of a complete overall.
Mueller Removed Top Agent in Russia Inquiry Over Possible Anti-Trump Texts - NYTimes.com
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/mueller-removed-top-fbi-agent-over-possible-anti-trump-texts.html
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I apologize. I forgot one of the characteristics of the liberalism mental disorder is cognitive dissonance. My bad.
I asked you a specific question which you did not answer
Just watched the entire video.
Why didn't Gowdy ask the specific question as to why she was charged with lying to the FBI?
Do you have any video of Gowdy questioning Hillary?
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I asked you a specific question which you did not answer
Just watched the entire video.
Why didn't Gowdy ask the specific question as to why she was charged with lying to the FBI?
Do you have any video of Gowdy questioning Hillary?
Please, just stop it. Gowdy is questioning the former head of the FBI who is describing false statements that Hillary made during the investigation. Have just a gram of intellectual honesty and admit there’s a double standard here. Either you indict both Flynn and Hillary or neither of them.
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Please, just stop it. Gowdy is questioning the former head of the FBI who is describing false statements that Hillary made during the investigation. Have just a gram of intellectual honesty and admit there’s a double standard here. Either you indict both Flynn and Hillary or neither of them.
Was Comey ever asked if Clinton lied to the FBI?
If so, what did he say?
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Please, just stop it. Gowdy is questioning the former head of the FBI who is describing false statements that Hillary made during the investigation. Have just a gram of intellectual honesty and admit there’s a double standard here. Either you indict both Flynn and Hillary or neither of them.
True. That's why Comey pursued neither of them.
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What the Flynn Plea Means
by ANDREW C. MCCARTHY December 1, 2017
There’s less to the news than meets the eye.
Former Trump-administration national-security adviser Michael Flynn is expected to plead guilty today to lying to the FBI regarding his conversations with Russia’s ambassador to the United States.
Flynn, who is reportedly cooperating with the investigation of special counsel Robert Mueller, is pleading guilty in federal district court in Washington, D.C., to a one-count criminal information (which is filed by a prosecutor in cases when a defendant waives his right to be indicted by a grand jury).
The false-statement charge, brought under Section 1001 of the federal penal code, stems from Flynn’s conversation on December 29, 2016, with Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak. At the time, Flynn was slated to become the national-security adviser to President-elect Donald Trump. The conversation occurred on the same day that then-president Barack Obama announced sanctions against Russia for its interference in the 2016 election. It is believed to have been recorded by the FBI because Kislyak, as an agent of a foreign power, was subject to monitoring under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
Mueller has charged Flynn with falsely telling FBI agents that he did not ask the ambassador “to refrain from escalating the situation” in response to the sanctions. In being questioned by the agents on January 24, 2017, Flynn also lied when he claimed he could not recall a subsequent conversation with Kislyak, in which the ambassador told Flynn that the Putin regime had “chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of [Flynn’s] request.”
Furthermore, a week before the sanctions were imposed, Flynn had also spoken to Kislyak, asking the ambassador to delay or defeat a vote on a pending United Nations resolution. The criminal information charges that Flynn lied to the FBI by denying both that he’d made this request and that he’d spoken afterward with Kislyak about Russia’s response to it.
Thus, in all, four lies are specified in the one count. The potential sentence is zero to five years’ imprisonment. Assuming Flynn cooperates fully with Mueller’s investigators, there will be little, if any, jail time.
Obviously, it was wrong of Flynn to give the FBI false information; he could, after all, have simply refused to speak with the agents in the first place. That said, as I argued early this year, it remains unclear why the Obama Justice Department chose to investigate Flynn. There was nothing wrong with the incoming national-security adviser’s having meetings with foreign counterparts or discussing such matters as the sanctions in those meetings. Plus, if the FBI had FISA recordings of Flynn’s conversations with Kislyak, there was no need to ask Flynn what the conversations entailed.
Flynn, an early backer of Donald Trump and a fierce critic of Obama’s national-security policies, was generally despised by Obama administration officials. Hence, there has always been cynical suspicion that the decision to interview him was driven by the expectation that he would provide the FBI with an account inconsistent with the recorded conversation — i.e., that Flynn was being set up for prosecution on a process crime.
While initial reporting is portraying Flynn’s guilty plea as a major breakthrough in Mueller’s investigation of potential Trump campaign collusion with the Russian regime, I suspect the opposite is true.
While initial reporting is portraying Flynn’s guilty plea as a major breakthrough in Mueller’s investigation of potential Trump-campaign collusion with the Russian regime, I suspect the opposite is true. Speculation that Flynn is now cooperating in Mueller’s investigation stirred in recent days due to reports that Flynn had pulled out of a joint defense agreement (or “common interest” arrangement) to share information with other subjects of the investigation. As an ethical matter, it is inappropriate for an attorney whose client is cooperating with the government (or having negotiations toward that end) to continue strategizing with, and having quasi-privileged communications with, other subjects of the investigation and their counsel.
Nevertheless, as I explained in connection with George Papadopoulos (who also pled guilty in Mueller’s investigation for lying to the FBI), when a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme. This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation.
That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria. That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.
Understand: If Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador had evinced the existence of a quid pro quo collusion arrangement — that the Trump administration would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russia as a payback for Russia’s cyber-espionage against the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic party — it would have been completely appropriate, even urgently necessary, for the Obama Justice Department to investigate Flynn. But if that had happened, Mueller would not be permitting Flynn to settle the case with a single count of lying to FBI agents. Instead, we would be looking at a major conspiracy indictment, and Flynn would be made to plead to far more serious offenses if he wanted a deal — cooperation in exchange for sentencing leniency.
To the contrary, for all the furor, we have a small-potatoes plea in Flynn’s case — just as we did in Papadopoulos’s case, despite extensive “collusion” evidence. Meanwhile, the only major case Mueller has brought, against former Trump-campaign chairman Paul Manafort and an associate, has nothing to do with the 2016 election. It is becoming increasingly palpable that, whatever “collusion” means, there was no actionable, conspiratorial complicity by the Trump campaign in the Kremlin’s machinations.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454269/michael-flynn-plea-no-breakthrough-russia-investigation
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well, the goal posts keep moving... we'll just have to wait and see what comes of it. Hard to figure it out listening to either side at this point.
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well, the goal posts keep moving... we'll just have to wait and see what comes of it. Hard to figure it out listening to either side at this point.
Not really. No one has been accused of, charged with, or convicted of anything related to alleged collusion with Russia to elect Trump so he could become a Russian puppet.
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Not really. No one has been accused of, charged with, or convicted of anything related to alleged collusion with Russia to elect Trump so he could become a Russian puppet.
"But he's obstructing our made up story! Impeach!"
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"But he's obstructing our made up story! Impeach!"
Yep. One of the biggest farces I've ever seen.
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Not really. No one has been accused of, charged with, or convicted of anything related to alleged collusion with Russia to elect Trump so he could become a Russian puppet.
yet
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yet
And we haven't colonized Mars, yet.
What evidence have you seen that proves this goofy conspiracy theory?
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And we haven't colonized Mars, yet.
What evidence have you seen that proves this goofy conspiracy theory?
Well, they won't let me talk to the witnesses and suspects but your question is faulty. I've never said it's been proven. All I've said is let the investigation run its course. With Flynn cooperating there is reason to believe there might yet be some information revealed that could be relevant.
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Well, they won't let me talk to the witnesses and suspects but your question is faulty. I've never said it's been proven. All I've said is let the investigation run its course. With Flynn cooperating there is reason to believe there might yet be some information revealed that could be relevant.
Isn't the investigation faulty if it was based on nothing to get it running to begin with? Seems backwards to investigate that way. They haven't even shown an example/potential issue of a starting premise.
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Isn't the investigation faulty if it was based on nothing to get it running to begin with? Seems backwards to investigate that way. They haven't even shown an example/potential issue of a starting premise.
yes it would be if it was. apparently there was enough information to appoint a special counsel to investigate. Now the hard part.. letting that investigation run its course... It's not like no one has been indicted and found guilty of something so far... so grab some popcorn and let the chips fall where they may
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Well, they won't let me talk to the witnesses and suspects but your question is faulty. I've never said it's been proven. All I've said is let the investigation run its course. With Flynn cooperating there is reason to believe there might yet be some information revealed that could be relevant.
I don't say conclusively proven. I said evidence (i.e., what you need BEFORE you go spending millions on an investigation). There is none. Zero. It's one of the most preposterous conspiracy theories in American history.
I hope you're not one of those who hates Trump so much you want to be true. Is that why you can't simply call BS?
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I don't say conclusively proven. I said evidence (i.e., what you need BEFORE you go spending millions on an investigation). There is none. Zero. It's one of the most preposterous conspiracy theories in American history.
I hope you're not one of those who hates Trump so much you want to be true. Is that why you can't simply call BS?
unless you have clear cut proof of a crime such as a dead body (and even that is not proof of a crime) what you "start" with is a suspicion of a crime and some reason (what you think is evidence) to pursue that suspicion
there is an abundance of both in this case
kind of a general stink that everyone can smell
wtf is that smell ?
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yes it would be if it was. apparently there was enough information to appoint a special counsel to investigate. Now the hard part.. letting that investigation run its course... It's not like no one has been indicted and found guilty of something so far...
They have provided nothing as to why the investigation started. The indictments have nothing to do with the purpose of the fake investigation.
Sorry state of affairs when Americans are ok with investigations being performed when nothing points to that person as having done anything at all. Slippery slope.
The next guy will be indicted for jaywalking I suspect.
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I don't say conclusively proven. I said evidence (i.e., what you need BEFORE you go spending millions on an investigation). There is none. Zero. It's one of the most preposterous conspiracy theories in American history.
I hope you're not one of those who hates Trump so much you want to be true. Is that why you can't simply call BS?
Of course with that’s what it is. Look at the gang on the view cheering when the Flynn story broke:
Of course she was later forced to apologize.
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They have provided nothing as to why the investigation started. The indictments have nothing to do with the purpose of the fake investigation.
Sorry state of affairs when Americans are ok with investigations being performed when nothing points to that person as having done anything at all. Slippery slope.
The next guy will be indicted for jaywalking I suspect.
WASHINGTON — The Justice Department appointed Robert S. Mueller III, a former F.B.I. director, as special counsel on Wednesday to oversee the investigation into ties between President Trump’s campaign and Russian officials, dramatically raising the legal and political stakes in an affair that has threatened to engulf Mr. Trump’s four-month-old presidency.
The decision by the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, came after a cascade of damaging developments for Mr. Trump in recent days, including his abrupt dismissal of the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, and the subsequent disclosure that Mr. Trump asked Mr. Comey to drop the investigation of his former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn.
Mr. Rosenstein had been under escalating pressure from Democrats, and even some Republicans, to appoint a special counsel after he wrote a memo that the White House initially cited as the rationale for Mr. Comey’s dismissal.
By appointing Mr. Mueller, a former federal prosecutor with an unblemished reputation, Mr. Rosenstein could alleviate uncertainty about the government’s ability to investigate the questions surrounding the Trump campaign and the Russians.
Mr. Rosenstein said in a statement that he concluded that “it is in the public interest for me to exercise my authorities and appoint a special counsel to assume responsibility for this matter.”
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They have provided nothing as to why the investigation started. The indictments have nothing to do with the purpose of the fake investigation.
Sorry state of affairs when Americans are ok with investigations being performed when nothing points to that person as having done anything at all. Slippery slope.
The next guy will be indicted for jaywalking I suspect.
"Let’s begin with the basics: It is the unanimous conclusion of U.S. intelligence that Vladimir Putin personally directed the Russian government to try to alter our 2016 elections, and to take the side of Donald Trump.
How did that directive play out?
Based on a new guilty plea by Trump associate George Papadopoulus, we know that as far back as April of 2016, the Kremlin used backchannels to inform the Trump campaign that it had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of thousands of stolen emails. The Trump campaign that had said repeatedly, emphatically, that it had never had any contacts with Russian officials, that any such claim was “fake news,” was in fact informed by Russia about illegal hacking some two months before anybody else had a clue.
Ask yourself, because Mueller surely has: Why would Russia want the Trump campaign to know it had a trove of illegally obtained Clinton emails? And once informed, why didn’t the Trump campaign notify U.S. law enforcement? Top officials from every presidential campaign in the last quarter-century, Republican and Democratic, have all said they would have reported such a contact to the FBI immediately.
The Trump campaign stayed silent.
We also know that the Kremlin reached out a second time, again promising dirt on Clinton, and that the Trump campaign responded enthusiastically. On June 3, 2016, Donald Trump Jr. was sent an email telling him that Russia was offering “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia.”
“This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” the email read.
“… if it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer,” Trump Jr. responded, which by itself is proof of an eagerness to collude. He quickly set up a meeting between someone described to him as “a Russian government lawyer” and top Trump campaign officials.
The meeting occurred on June 9, and not much seemed to come of it. But six days later, thousands of emails hacked from the Democratic National Committee were made public through Wikileaks.
According to U.S. intelligence, “we assess with high confidence” that Russia conducted the hacking. Yet Trump publicly defended Russia against such charges, and talked so often about his admiration for Putin that it began to seem bizarre. He also spoke dismissively of NATO, the alliance whose mission is to contain Putin. As president, he later fired FBI Director James Comey for not ending an investigation into Russian interference; the next day he bragged to top Russian officials about doing so. He also helped to fabricate a false explanation for the June 9 meeting at Trump Tower.
Again, such evidence, troubling as it is, doesn’t amount to conclusive proof. But it damn sure justifies strong support for the ongoing work of Mueller and his investigative team."
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Of course with that’s what it is. Look at the gang on the view cheering when the Flynn story broke:
Of course she was later forced to apologize.
Bunch of partisan clowns.
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Judge presiding over Michael Flynn criminal case is recused: court
(Reuters) - The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia judge presiding over the criminal case for President Donald Trump’s former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has been recused from handling the case, a court spokeswoman said on Thursday.
Court spokeswoman Lisa Klem did not say why Contreras was recused, and added that the case was randomly reassigned.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-flynn/judge-presiding-over-michael-flynn-criminal-case-is-recused-court-idUSKBN1E202V
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Mueller is a nice guy; doesn't think Flynn should get jail time.
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Mueller is a nice guy; doesn't think Flynn should get jail time.
Wiped him out financially. Nice guy. Mueller should be the one going to prison
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Wiped him out financially. Nice guy. Mueller should be the one going to prison
sure, blame everyone but the bad guy. Are you sure you aren't a lib?
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Wiped him out financially. Nice guy. Mueller should be the one going to prison
What for? Doing his job?
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What for? Doing his job?
tell me what Flynn crimes have to do with Russian spy Trump ?
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tell me what Flynn crimes have to do with Russian spy Trump ?
Nothing.
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tell me what Flynn crimes have to do with Russian spy Trump ?
Like I've said, the Russian/Trump lie was a bunch of bullshit to muddle up Trumps presidency in an attempt to stop him from winning a second term. Has a single person associated with Trump been charged with any collusion?
BTW, Killary lied to the FBI and they said it was OK, no charges filed. No liberals were whining about that. ::)
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Wiped him out financially. Nice guy. Mueller should be the one going to prison
For what? Doing his job. Don't worry the conspiracy charges are coming. Maybe you should research how a federal investigation works, and you will see what is coming.
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tell me what Flynn crimes have to do with Russian spy Trump ?
You've seen all the evidence? You're a part of the investigation? Yet you claim Hillary should be in jail when she was investigated over and over by the republicans and they found NOTHING. If you can't see that Trump and everyone around him is in deep shit, then you are just plain stupid.
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Like I've said, the Russian/Trump lie was a bunch of bullshit to muddle up Trumps presidency in an attempt to stop him from winning a second term. Has a single person associated with Trump been charged with any collusion?
BTW, Killary lied to the FBI and they said it was OK, no charges filed. No liberals were whining about that. ::)
Is the investigation over? Weird, I don't recall it coming to a conclusion, but apparently you are in on the investigation and know all the facts. The charges are coming don't worry. Even when they do come out, you morons won't believe anything anyway. Trump was right he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and his dumbfuck supporters would still support him. Bunch of fucking idiots.
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Is the investigation over? Weird, I don't recall it coming to a conclusion, but apparently you are in on the investigation and know all the facts. The charges are coming don't worry. Even when they do come out, you morons won't believe anything anyway. Trump was right he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and his dumbfuck supporters would still support him. Bunch of fucking idiots.
Settle down lilcawk, we know you hate whitey, but you got 6 more years to get used to it.
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Is the investigation over? Weird, I don't recall it coming to a conclusion, but apparently you are in on the investigation and know all the facts. The charges are coming don't worry. Even when they do come out, you morons won't believe anything anyway. Trump was right he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and his dumbfuck supporters would still support him. Bunch of fucking idiots.
Are we still waiting for charges?
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Flynn Lawyer Argues Case Should Be Dismissed Over ‘Egregious Government Misconduct’
CHUCK ROSS
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER
September 10, 2019
An attorney for Michael Flynn said in federal court Tuesday she may seek a dismissal of charges against the former national security adviser, citing “egregious conduct and suppression” of exculpatory information in the case.
Prosecutors handling the case had a surprise of their own, telling Judge Emmet Sullivan that they are now reserving the option of recommending jail time for Flynn, instead of just probation. Prosecutors with the special counsel’s team last year recommended that Flynn receive probation without jail time because of his substantial cooperation in several investigations.
But Flynn’s situation has changed dramatically since then. He no longer has to meet with the special counsel’s team since the Russia probe has ended. And in June, he hired a new legal team that has aggressively challenged the government’s investigation of Flynn.
Flynn’s defense attorney, Sidney Powell, told Judge Emmet Sullivan that the legal team has no plans to pull out of a plea deal that Flynn struck with the special counsel on Dec. 1, 2017. Instead, Powell is questioning the basis of the government’s case against Flynn, and may seek to have charges thrown out altogether. (RELATED: Sentencing Delayed In Flynn Case After Judge Blasts Ex-National Security Adviser)
“There never would have been a plea to begin with if the government had disclosed Brady information about what it knew before the plea agreement,” Powell said in the hearing, according to Fox News.
Former U.S. National Security Adviser Michael Flynn departs U.S. District Court, where he was expected to plead guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia's ambassador to the United States, in Washington, U.S., December 1, 2017. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
Former U.S. National Security Adviser Michael Flynn departs U.S. District Court, where he was expected to plead guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia’s ambassador to the United States, in Washington, U.S., December 1, 2017. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst
Powell said that “the entire prosecution should be dismissed for egregious government misconduct,” BuzzFeed News reported.
Sullivan scheduled a hearing for Oct. 31 to go over Flynn’s argument that prosecutors failed to turn over potentially exculpatory information, known as “Brady material.”
Sullivan set a tentative sentencing date for Flynn on Dec. 18. That will be exactly one year after Flynn last appeared for sentencing before the judge. Flynn decided to delay sentencing after Sullivan delivered a scathing reprieve of the retired lieutenant general, and indicated that jail time could be included in the sentence.
Powell asserted that a Justice Department memo exists which “exonerates” Flynn of being a Russian agent.
According to reports from Tuesday’s hearing, Assistant U.S. Attorney Brandon van Grack pushed back against Powell’s statement, noting that Flynn was not charged with being a Russian agent. Instead, Flynn pleaded guilty on Dec. 1, 2017 to lying to the FBI during a Jan. 24, 2017 interview. Flynn admitted to falsely denying discussing sanctions in December 2016 with then-Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak.
The White House interview was arranged by then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and conducted by Peter Strzok, the FBI counterintelligence official who was fired over anti-Trump text messages. Flynn’s lawyers have argued that the government failed to provide Strzok’s text messages.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/10/flynn-lawyers-dismissal-case-sentencing/
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He's going to win or be pardoned. He got the shaft.
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He's going to win or be pardoned. He got the shaft.
Agreed. I think this women will get him freed.
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Judge Cancels November Hearing After Powell’s Explosive Brief To Dismiss Flynn’s Case
By Sara Carter -October 28, 2019
In another dramatic turn of events U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan — who is overseeing the case of former National Security Advisor Army Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn–has canceled the upcoming November hearing based on an explosive brief submitted by Flynn’s defense attorney.
Sullivan stated in an order submitted Monday that “in view of the parties’ comprehensive briefing concerning [109] Defendant’s Motion to Compel Production of Brady Material, the Court cancels the motion hearing previously scheduled for November 5, 2019.”
The order to cancel is significant. Powell had filed a brief in response to federal prosecutors that claimed they had already given the defense team all the evidence that was required under the law. Her explosive response was made public last week and contained minimal redactions.
Powell told SaraACarter.com that the “defense looks forward to reading Judge Sullivan’s order because the government has obviously been hiding evidence.”
The brief contained information that FBI officials may have altered their 302 report of Flynn’s first interview with them at the White House on Jan. 24, 2017, as reported. The interview was conducted by now fired FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok, whose texts messages later revealed he was vehemently anti-Trump and current FBI Special Agent Joe Pientka, who has never spoken publicly on the matter. In December, 2017 this reporter revealed that it was Strzok who had interviewed Flynn and that the interview itself was a set-up.
Powell noted that “on February 10, 2017, the news broke—attributed to ‘senior intelligence officials’—that Mr. Flynn had discussed sanctions with Ambassador Kislyak, contrary to what Vice President Pence had said on television previously.”
Then, according to documents, “overnight, the most important substantive changes were made to the Flynn 302.”
“Those changes added an unequivocal statement that ‘FLYNN stated he did not’—in response to whether Mr. Flynn had asked Kislyak to vote in a certain manner or slow down the UN vote. This is a deceptive manipulation because, as the notes of the agents show, Mr. Flynn was not even sure he had spoken to Russia/Kislyak on this issue. He had talked to dozens of countries.”
Based on Sullivan’s cancellation of the hearing, Powell may be right. The mostly unredacted brief released last week contained significant issues and evidence presented by Powell that reveal the government is still withholding evidence from the defense despite Sullivan’s order that everything must be turned over.
Sullivan’s decision to move forward without hearing the government’s repeated denials “that it has produced all the evidence that Flynn is entitled too” is expected to boomerang on the prosecution. One possibility is that Sullivan can demand that all the Brady material be turned over and he could also hold the prosecutors in contempt of court for failing to do so.
Powell’s Explosive Brief
Why? Because Powell’s 37 page brief last week was a motion to compel the government to hand over all the evidence required by Brady, and her list of evidence that is still being withheld from her client is long. She revealed pertinent new evidence that her defense team uncovered, which showed there was a strong effort by the government to entrap Flynn as far back as his first interview with the FBI in January, 2017.
Her brief contained a litany of problems with the prosecutions case and she asked Sullivan to dismiss all the charges against Flynn.
She noted in the brief that “high-ranking FBI officials orchestrated an ambush-interview of the new president’s National Security Advisor, not for the purpose of discovering any evidence of criminal activity—they already had tapes of all the relevant conversations about which they questioned Mr. Flynn—but for the purpose of trapping him into making statements they could allege as false.”
Further, she revealed concrete evidence that the government is still holding onto significant Brady material that would fully exonerate her client. It would also hold responsible senior federal law enforcement and Justice Department officials who distorted facts and leaked lies to the media about the three-star general.
Because of this, Powell is asking that the court require that the government produce all evidence related to Flynn. She is also urging the court to hold prosecutors in contempt and “dismiss the entire prosecution for outrageous government misconduct.”
https://saraacarter.com/judge-cancels-november-hearing-after-powells-explosive-brief-to-dismiss-flynns-case/
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Proscuters blast ex-Trump aide Michael Flynn’s ‘extraordinary’ new innocence claim in Mueller case
PUBLISHED TUE, OCT 29 20191:24 PM EDTUPDATED TUE, OCT 29 20191:49 PM EDT
Kevin Breuninger
@KEVINWILLIAMB
Dan Mangan
@_DANMANGAN
KEY POINTS
- Prosecutors blasted an “extraordinary” new claim by President Trump’s first national security advisor Michael Flynn that he is the victim of a “plot to set up an innocent man.”
- Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about what he discussed with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak before Trump’s inauguration.
- He agreed to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller during an investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/29/claim-by-former-trump-advisor-michael-flynn-in-mueller-case-criticized.html
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The swamp is upset about this.
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Proscuters blast ex-Trump aide Michael Flynn’s ‘extraordinary’ new innocence claim in Mueller case
PUBLISHED TUE, OCT 29 20191:24 PM EDTUPDATED TUE, OCT 29 20191:49 PM EDT
Kevin Breuninger
@KEVINWILLIAMB
Dan Mangan
@_DANMANGAN
KEY POINTS
- Prosecutors blasted an “extraordinary” new claim by President Trump’s first national security advisor Michael Flynn that he is the victim of a “plot to set up an innocent man.”
- Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about what he discussed with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak before Trump’s inauguration.
- He agreed to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller during an investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/29/claim-by-former-trump-advisor-michael-flynn-in-mueller-case-criticized.html
Curious how all of these framers are outraged now that their cover has been blown. They took a professional risk and it's not going to work out well for them.
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Curious how all of these framers are outraged now that their cover has been blown. They took a professional risk and it's not going to work out well for them.
Did Michael Flynn plead quilty or not?
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Did Michael Flynn plead quilty or not?
Based on a false premise, yes. Legal technicalities won't outweigh the truth.
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Flynn attorney demands FBI search 'Sentinel' database for missing, 'manipulated' witness reports
By Gregg Re | Fox News
Flynn hearing canceled after brief allegedly reveals FBI manipulated interview records
Judge Andrew Napolitano breaks down the 'bizarre twist and turns' in the case against the former national security adviser.
Michael Flynn's lawyer on Monday demanded in a court filing that the FBI thoroughly search its internal "Sentinel database" and turn over "every" document in which agents described their critical January 2017 White House interview with the former national security adviser, after it emerged last month that FBI officials had apparently manipulated the so-called "302" witness report in the case weeks after the interview.
Flynn's attorney, Sidney Powell, also asserted that separate handwritten notes from the interview drafted by since-fired FBI agent Peter Strzok and another agent are plainly inconsistent with one another, as well as the final FBI 302 that underpinned Flynn's guilty plea for one count of making false statements to investigators.
The handwritten notes were produced last week by prosecutors, who called Flynn's claims that he was tricked into the guilty plea "demonstrably false."
Although the government has insisted that the FBI's after-the-fact edits to the 302 report were "largely grammatical and stylistic," Powell argued that they were in fact highly substantive and improper alterations that inaccurately made it appear that Flynn had issued blanket denials to agents' questions.
Powell noted in the filing that she will file a motion seeking to have the case against Flynn thrown out because of "egregious government misconduct." Most courts agree that the Supreme Court "would find that the government has an obligation to disclose exculpatory evidence at the plea stage," Powell wrote, adding that the government had deliberately manipulated its witness reports to secure a guilty plea.
READ THE NEW FLYNN FILING
In the meantime, Powell argued there was no excuse for the FBI not to immediately produce the comprehensive "redaction history, audit trail, and metadata" for the Flynn 302, which the Sentinel system should automatically maintain.
"The FBI Sentinel system can retrieve any draft," Powell wrote. "Drafts are numerically serialized when placed in the system. Those numbers—apparently redacted from the 302 drafts that have been produced—would probably provide further information."
The government has argued the 302 report shows that Flynn lied to Strzok and another agent concerning his communications with Russia's ambassador on two matters: a United Nations vote on Israel, as well as the Obama administration's sanctions against Russia.
But, just a day before the fateful Jan. 24, 2017 Flynn White House interview, The Washington Post ran a story based on multiple U.S. intelligence sources openly stating that the FBI had wiretapped Flynn's calls with the Russian ambassador, reviewed them, and found no wrongdoing.
And the handwritten notes from both Strzok and the other agent indicated they did not detect any physical signs that Flynn was lying to them, Powell observed -- frustrating agents' allegedly "pretextual" efforts to trap Flynn, who had made powerful enemies in Washington under the Obama administration, on a process crime.
FORMER DNI CLAPPER TOLD REPORTER TO TAKE 'KILL SHOT' ON FLYNN
Powell's main jumping-off point in Monday's filing was the newly revealed text messages between Strzok and former FBI lawyer Lisa Page, which revealed that Page -- who was not present for the Flynn interview -- had apparently made "edits" to the 302 report. Page told Strzok on February 10, 2017 that she “gave my edits to Bill to put on your desk.”
Later that day, "Strzok went into the office, picked up Page’s edits, and made changes that any reasonable person would deem material to the 302," Powell wrote.
Specifically, Strzok "added a definitive statement," asserting in the 302 report that "Flynn stated he did not" ask the Russian ambassador to vote a certain way on a United Nations resolution concerning Israel.
"This is materially different from the notes which state Flynn did not recall speaking to Kislyak on the UN vote issue," Powell wrote.
Separately, Powell asserted that the 302 was altered to indicate that Flynn had answered "no" when asked if the Russian ambassador "described any Russian response to a request by Flynn." But, Strzok's contemporaneous notes do not mention a "Russian response" at all, Powell observed.
Adding insult to injury, Powell alleged, the handwritten "notes bear no signature and date as required by the FBI, casting doubt on their authenticity."
"If the signatures and dates are present in the originals, the government has unjustifiably redacted that information, possibly without leaving a black mark to disclose a redaction, which itself is a form of deception," she wrote in the filing.
FBI accused of manipulating Flynn records from 2017 interviewVideo
The FBI has argued that an apparently missing version of the Flynn 302, drafted before February 2017, did not need to be produced because “there is no reason to believe it would materially differ” from material provided to Flynn's legal team. But, Powell wrote, the law on intentional or unintentional evidence spoliation, or destruction, is clear, and "requires the assumption that the evidence is favorable to the defense."
Further, the notes that have been provided "do not say that [Flynn] made any false statement at all," Powell continued. "The agents reported back believing he either was honest or believed he was telling the truth. There is nothing in the 302s—draft or final—that says he made false statements. And, the notes do not even match each other—especially on the statements regarding the UN vote and sanctions."
DURHAM INVESTIGATION INTO ORIGINS OF 2016 TRUMP CAMPAIGN SURVEILLANCE EXPANDS ITS SCOPE
Strzok has previously noted that he was primarily in charge of asking questions of Flynn, while the other agent handled contemporaneous notetaking. But, the government has since argued in court that both sets of notes were contemporaneously taken.
"Even a layman can look at the two sets of notes and discern that Strzok’s miniscule, printed, within-the-lines, longer, and more detailed notes bear none of the hallmarks of being written during the press of an interview—much less by the secondary note-taker," Powell fired back. "That observation is even more obvious when compared with Agent 2’s notes, which do appear to be contemporaneous."
Ordinarily, Powell noted, false statements cases arise "incidentally" when the FBI is questioning suspects as part of an investigation. But in this case, FBI agents at the direction of then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe broke their normal procedure to question McCabe at the White House concerning his wiretapped calls with the Russian ambassador.
(McCabe and Flynn have a personal history, and the Obama administration fired Flynn in 2014, later warning the Trump administration not to hire him.)
Strzok sues FBI for firing him over anti-Trump textsVideo
"Here, to use [former FBI agent Peter] Strzok’s own words, the investigation was 'a pretext,'" Powell wrote. "The object of the interview was to secure, rather than prevent, a 1001 [false statements] violation."
HANDLING OF FLYNN CASE DIFFERS SHARPLY FROM INTERVIEWS WITH CLINTON ASSOCIATES -- HERE'S HOW IT WENT DOWN
Former FBI Director James Comey admitted in an interview last year that he personally made the decision to send a pair of agents to interview Flynn in 2017, and acknowledged the arrangement was not typical for dealing with a White House official.
He called it “something I probably wouldn't have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”
According to Flynn's previous legal team, FBI agents in his case deliberately did not instruct Flynn that any false statements he made could constitute a crime, and decided not to "confront" him directly about anything he said that contradicted their knowledge of his wiretapped communications with the Russian envoy.
Representatives for Strzok and Page did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.
Powell’s filing is just the latest in a series of motions brought to the court on behalf of Flynn. Last month, Powell demanded federal prosecutors turn over two cellphones used by Maltese professor Joseph Mifsud, whose role in the Trump-Russia investigation has long been shrouded in mystery.
Powell’s defense of Flynn has caused an escalating battle with the government, with Flynn’s sentencing still up in the air for his guilty plea. The government said in late August that the case was ready for sentencing, after months of delay. U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan has set a Dec. 18 sentencing date, though it’s unclear whether it could be pushed off again.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flynn-attorneys-demand-fbi-provide-all-flynn-interview-drafts-after-evidence-surfaces-fbi-manipulated-docs
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Sidney Powell is a great lawyer. Govt just admitted issues with Strzok notes...
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/doj-admits-in-michael-flynn-case-that-fbi-mistakenly-identified-peter-strzok-notes/
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DOJ seeks up to six-month prison sentence for Michael Flynn
By Brooke Singman, Bill Mears | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-seeks-six-month-prison-sentence-for-gen-flynn
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Michael Flynn seeking to withdraw guilty plea
Lawyers for the former national security adviser contend the government undermined its own deal.
By JOSH GERSTEIN
Updated: 01/14/2020
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/michael-flynn-guilty-plea-withdraw-099021
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Nice! Hope he succeeds.
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I hope he fails and gets the maximum possible sentence
and whatever he gets it will be too short
just another traitor and human scum member of the Trump Crime Family
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I hope he fails and gets the maximum possible sentence
and whatever he gets it will be too short
just another traitor and human scum member of the Trump Crime Family
You and I agree wholeheartedly on this. Of all the scum in this "family", is there anyone worse than Michael Flynn?
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I hope he fails and gets the maximum possible sentence
and whatever he gets it will be too short
just another traitor and human scum member of the Trump Crime Family
His lawyers are giving him some very poor advice. Or, like his idol Trump, he ignores the advice of his attorneys.
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You and I agree wholeheartedly on this. Of all the scum in this "family", is there anyone worse than Michael Flynn?
yes....
Trump
Trump Jr
Ivanka
Jared
Pompeo
Mulvaney
Guiliani
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yes....
Trump
Trump Jr
Ivanka
Jared
Pompeo
Mulvaney
Guiliani
He was probably the most rabid. They are all horrible, disgusting human beings.
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I hope he fails and gets the maximum possible sentence
and whatever he gets it will be too short
just another traitor and human scum member of the Trump Crime Family
He literally did nothing wrong but the MSM convinced you otherwise. You want to convict someone, convict Vinmen for admitting he lied during his testimony
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He literally did nothing wrong but the MSM convinced you otherwise. You want to convict someone, convict Vinmen for admitting he lied during his testimony
I wish his mother would have had a late 3rd trimester abortion.
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The only thing I’m wishing for is that there’s enough in the Durham report with wipe and disassemble the entire Democratic Party involved.
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I'm also wishing that you do well at the Nationals.
;)
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I'm also wishing that you do well at the Nationals.
;)
Thank you. Then the Pittsburgh Pro
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Thank you. Then the Pittsburgh Pro
I'll go to the Pittsburgh Pro if you are making your pro debut. That's only 4 hours from my house.
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The only thing I’m wishing for is that there’s enough in the Durham report with wipe and disassemble the entire Democratic Party involved.
LOL
good luck with that
It may be a harsher than the IG report (I'm sure Billy Barr will make sure of that) but there won't be any charges
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Since Abraham and straw are in this thread 69'ing, could either one let us all know what redeeming qualities the democratic party has to offer? How would any democrat running for office improve the life of the American citizen?
Thanks in advance. :)
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Since Abraham and straw are in this thread 69'ing, could either one let us all know what redeeming qualities the democratic party has to offer? How would any democrat running for office improve the life of the American citizen?
Thanks in advance. :)
26 million people that can see a doctor now (Thanks to Mr. Sotero) is something. But then again, if a coloured guy does it, it can't be good.
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26 million people that can see a doctor now (Thanks to Mr. Sotero) is something. But then again, if a coloured guy does it, it can't be good.
26 million is quite the exaggeration don't you think? Got nothing to do with color, you racist bastard.
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26 million is quite the exaggeration don't you think? Got nothing to do with color, you racist bastard.
Stop lying to yourself.
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Stop lying to yourself.
OK, it's all about color. That's why osamacare was a dismal failure, because white people. ::)
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The plot sickens.
FBI discussed interviewing Michael Flynn 'to get him to lie' and 'get him fired,' handwritten notes show
By Gregg Re | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michael-flynn-fbi-handwritten-notes-get-him-lie-fired
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The plot sickens.
FBI discussed interviewing Michael Flynn 'to get him to lie' and 'get him fired,' handwritten notes show
By Gregg Re | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michael-flynn-fbi-handwritten-notes-get-him-lie-fired
But of course this somehow doesn't count as conspiracy or racket.
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The plot sickens.
FBI discussed interviewing Michael Flynn 'to get him to lie' and 'get him fired,' handwritten notes show
By Gregg Re | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michael-flynn-fbi-handwritten-notes-get-him-lie-fired
he should have just told the truth but of course if he had done that he would have been confessing to a crime of violating the Logan Act
Instead he chose to lie, which was just to another crime to add to his first crime.
When presented with proof he was lying he admitted it and pleaded guilty
He has no leg to stand on but I doubt that will prevent the Criminal in Chief from pardoning a member of his crime family
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Sidney Powell is a HELL of a lawyer.
They have Strzok now - the attempt to put Flynn in a perjury trap was called "Crossfire Razor" - dirty as hell.
(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/EWziSaPXkAAxQEI_0.png?itok=oNNmy0fN)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWzlKkaX0AAhPfX?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWzlKkdXYAIoHkX?format=jpg&name=large)
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Sidney Powell is a HELL of a lawyer.
They have Strzok now - the attempt to put Flynn in a perjury trap was called "Crossfire Razor" - dirty as hell.
(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/EWziSaPXkAAxQEI_0.png?itok=oNNmy0fN)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWzlKkaX0AAhPfX?format=jpg&name=large)
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LOL @ Perjury Trap
There is NO SUCH THING
Flynn CHOSE to LIE rather than confess to a crime
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he should have just told the truth but of course if he had done that he would have been confessing to a crime of violating the Logan Act
Instead he chose to lie, which was just to another crime to add to his first crime.
When presented with proof he was lying he admitted it and pleaded guilty
He has no leg to stand on but I doubt that will prevent the Criminal in Chief from pardoning a member of his crime family
You look like a total fucking idiot trying to defend the scumbag Democrats at the FBI and DOJ.
You’d suck Strzok’s cock and pay to do it.
You were crowing about all these indictments and now all you’re doing is eating crow.
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You look like a total fucking idiot trying to defend the scumbag Democrats at the FBI and DOJ.
You’d suck Strzok’s cock and pay to do it.
You were crowing about all these indictments and now all you’re doing is eating crow.
Weird how you Trumptards always feel the need to share your gay fantasies
Here are the facts
Flynn broke the law and then lied in an attempt to conceal his crime (too bad he is as stupid as you are)
No one forced him to lie about his crime
He chose to do that
When presented with these facts he then chose to plead guilty
His a scumbag criminal just like Trump
That's the bottom line
You can read all the details of ALL the FBI notes here
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/30/21242695/michael-flynn-bill-priestap-notes-total-exoneration-trump-russia
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LOL @ Perjury Trap
There is NO SUCH THING
Flynn CHOSE to LIE rather than confess to a crime
What crime is that ??
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What crime is that ??
I'm sure you know but if you're really that uninformed then just scroll up and read my post or go do your own research
Try using this: www.google.com
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Weird how you Trumptards always feel the need to share your gay fantasies
Here are the facts
Flynn broke the law and then lied in an attempt to conceal his crime (too bad he is as stupid as you are)
No one forced him to lie about his crime
He chose to do that
When presented with these facts he then chose to plead guilty
His a scumbag criminal just like Trump
That's the bottom line
You can read all the details of ALL the FBI notes here
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/30/21242695/michael-flynn-bill-priestap-notes-total-exoneration-trump-russia
Let me let you in on a little secret, jismeater.
The bullshit that the DNC, CNN, and MSNBC pound up your ass on a daily basis doesn’t make it factual.
Because you swallow it like a black dick and spew it back out here, doesn’t make it factual either.
Anyone still defending the FBI after this stunt is just completely retarded and there truly is no other explanation.
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You look like a total fucking idiot trying to defend the scumbag Democrats at the FBI and DOJ.
You’d suck Strzok’s cock and pay to do it.
You were crowing about all these indictments and now all you’re doing is eating crow.
That is typical for the anti-American Village Idiot. She is the biggest hack on the board.
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Michael Flynn case should be dismissed to preserve justice
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 04/30/20
THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL
Previously undisclosed documents in the case of former national security adviser Michael Flynn offer us a chilling blueprint on how top FBI officials not only sought to entrap the former White House aide but sought to do so on such blatantly unconstitutional and manufactured grounds.
These new documents further undermine the view of both the legitimacy and motivations of those investigations under former FBI director James Comey. For all of those who have long seen a concerted effort within the Justice Department to target the Trump administration, the fragments will read like a Dead Sea Scrolls version of a “deep state” conspiracy.
One note reflects discussions within the FBI shortly after the 2016 election on how to entrap Flynn in an interview concerning his conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. According to Fox News, the note was written by the former FBI head of counterintelligence, Bill Priestap, after a meeting with Comey and his deputy director, Andrew McCabe.
The note states, “What is our goal? Truth and admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?” This may have expressed an honest question over the motivation behind this targeting of Flynn, a decision for which Comey later publicly took credit when he had told an audience that he decided he could “get away” with sending “a couple guys over” to the White House to set up Flynn and make the case.
The new documents also explore how the Justice Department could get Flynn to admit breaking the Logan Act, a law that dates back to from 1799 which makes it a crime for a citizen to intervene in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. It has never been used to convict a citizen and is widely viewed as flagrantly unconstitutional.
In his role as the national security adviser to the president elect, there was nothing illegal in Flynn meeting with Kislyak. To use this abusive law here was utterly absurd, although other figures such as former acting Attorney General Sally Yates also raised it. Nevertheless, the FBI had latched onto this abusive law to target the retired Army lieutenant general.
Another newly released document is an email from former FBI lawyer Lisa Page to former FBI special agent Peter Strzok, who played the leadership role in targeting Flynn. In the email, Page suggests that Flynn could be set up by making a passing reference to a federal law that criminalizes lies to federal investigators. She suggested to Strzok that “it would be an easy way to just casually slip that in.” So this effort was not about protecting national security or learning critical intelligence. It was about bagging Flynn for the case in the legal version of a canned trophy hunt.
It is also disturbing that this evidence was only recently disclosed by the Justice Department. When Flynn was pressured to plead guilty to a single count of lying to investigators, he was unaware such evidence existed and that the federal investigators who had interviewed him told their superiors they did not think that Flynn intentionally lied when he denied discussing sanctions against Russia with Kislyak. Special counsel Robert Mueller and his team changed all that and decided to bring the dubious charge. They drained Flynn financially then threatened to charge his son.
Flynn never denied the conversation and knew the FBI had a transcript of it. Indeed, President Trump publicly discussed a desire to reframe Russian relations and renegotiate such areas of tensions. But Flynn still ultimately pleaded guilty to the single false statement to federal investigators. This additional information magnifies the doubts over the case.
Various FBI officials also lied and acted in arguably criminal or unethical ways, but all escaped without charges. McCabe had a supervisory role in the Flynn prosecution. He was then later found by the Justice Department inspector general to have repeatedly lied to investigators. While his case was referred for criminal charges, McCabe was fired but never charged. Strzok was also fired for his misconduct in the investigation.
Comey intentionally leaked FBI material, including potentially classified information but was never charged. Another FBI agent responsible for the secret warrants used for the Russia investigation had falsified evidence to maintain the investigation. He is still not indicted. The disconnect of these cases with the treatment of Flynn is galling and grotesque.
Even the judge in the case has added to this disturbing record. As Flynn appeared before District Judge Emmet Sullivan for sentencing, Sullivan launched into him and said he could be charged with treason and with working as an unregistered agent on behalf of Turkey. Pointing to a flag behind him, Sullivan declared to Flynn, “You were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States. That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably, you sold your country out.”
Flynn was never charged with treason or with being a foreign agent. But when Sullivan menacingly asked if he wanted a sentence then and there, Flynn wisely passed. It is a record that truly shocks the conscience. While rare, it is still possible for the district court to right this wrong since Flynn has not been sentenced. The Justice Department can invite the court to use its inherent supervisory authority to right a wrong of its own making. As the Supreme Court made clear in 1932, “universal sense of justice” is a stake in such cases. It is the “duty of the court to stop the prosecution in the interest of the government itself to protect it from the illegal conduct of its officers and to preserve the purity of its courts.”
Flynn was a useful tool for everyone and everything but justice. Mueller had ignored the view of the investigators and coerced Flynn to plead to a crime he did not commit to gain damaging testimony against Trump and his associates that Flynn did not have. The media covered Flynn to report the flawed theory of Russia collusion and to foster the view that some sort of criminal conspiracy was being uncovered by Mueller. Even the federal judge used Flynn to rail against what he saw as a treasonous plot. What is left in the wake of the prosecution is an utter travesty of justice.
Justice demands a dismissal of his prosecution. But whatever the “goal” may have been in setting up Flynn, justice was not one of them.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can find his updates online @JonathanTurley.
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/495405-michael-flynn-case-should-be-dismissed-to-preserve-justice
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I'm sure you know but if you're really that uninformed then just scroll up and read my post or go do your own research
Try using this: www.google.com
Somebody lost an argument.
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I'm sure you know but if you're really that uninformed then just scroll up and read my post or go do your own research
Try using this: www.google.com
Explain to me in your own words, you will not as you can not.. more fake news you post and more laziness on your part for not vetting it.
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he should have just told the truth but of course if he had done that he would have been confessing to a crime of violating the Logan Act
Instead he chose to lie, which was just to another crime to add to his first crime.
When presented with proof he was lying he admitted it and pleaded guilty
He has no leg to stand on but I doubt that will prevent the Criminal in Chief from pardoning a member of his crime family
So you're saying the notes which are a strategy thought process on a person you expect to lie during an upcoming interview is not the smoking gun some conservatives claim it is?
You're also saying that Flynn did end up lying about his contact with Russia prior to Trump taking office and also confessed to the crime of lying to the FBI?
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LOL @ Perjury Trap
There is NO SUCH THING
Flynn CHOSE to LIE rather than confess to a crime
Holy shit just shut up. The shit you come with is mind boggling stupid. I guess you know more about the law that Powell?
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Weird how you Trumptards always feel the need to share your gay fantasies
Here are the facts
Flynn broke the law and then lied in an attempt to conceal his crime (too bad he is as stupid as you are)
No one forced him to lie about his crime
He chose to do that
When presented with these facts he then chose to plead guilty
His a scumbag criminal just like Trump
That's the bottom line
You can read all the details of ALL the FBI notes here
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/30/21242695/michael-flynn-bill-priestap-notes-total-exoneration-trump-russia
Jesus Christ, he gives you hard evidence that’s I’ve been using on FB to absolutely slaughter leftists like you and you give us “Vox” my offer still stands with you for a live face to face debate. Last time I think I offered $5k I’ll fucking double it just for the humiliation factor
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Looks like Straw Man went into hiding.
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https://apnews.com/ae1ad252bb13490db2ceffc5d17b6d92?fbclid=IwAR3E8n1z_1G6Rh6srJE6g-6U3wbKP5WDAx9vMDEKz3Lbi1Moza5Eem5bVpw
DOJ dropping case - another obama scam.
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https://apnews.com/ae1ad252bb13490db2ceffc5d17b6d92?fbclid=IwAR3E8n1z_1G6Rh6srJE6g-6U3wbKP5WDAx9vMDEKz3Lbi1Moza5Eem5bVpw
DOJ dropping case - another obama scam.
Outstanding.
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Looks like Straw Man went into hiding.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-fbis-flynn-outrage-11588288438
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Looks like Straw Man went into hiding.
He actually believed that the 1799 Logan Act applied to the Flynn case.
Although no one has ever been charged or convicted under that Act.
He should be called “GraspingForStrawsMan”.
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He should be called “GraspingForStrawsMan”.
I've pretty much always referred to him as "Grasping".
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I've pretty much always referred to him as "Grasping".
I've pretty much always referred to her as the Village Idiot.
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I've pretty much always referred to her as the Village Idiot.
It's always funny when Mods break their own rules
Still waiting for a Trumptard to explain why Flynn pled guilty
Granted, he is a Trumptard, thus a moron, but is he really such a moron that he was "tricked" into pleading guilty?
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It's always funny when Mods break their own rules
Still waiting for a Trumptard to explain why Flynn pled guilty
Granted, he is a Trumptard, thus a moron, but is he really such a moron that he was "tricked" into pleading guilty?
The government bankrupted Flynn and threatened to do the same with his son who had nothing to do with anything. Flynn should sue the shit out of the criminals that bankrupted him when they knew there was no Russian collusion.
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It's always funny when Mods break their own rules
Still waiting for a Trumptard to explain why Flynn pled guilty
Granted, he is a Trumptard, thus a moron, but is he really such a moron that he was "tricked" into pleading guilty?
why did he work for your Gay Muslim Hero then ? are you dumb and not know the facts about the Flynn case ?
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Trump Says He Fired Michael Flynn ‘Because He Lied’ to F.B.I.
"President Trump said on Saturday that he had fired Michael T. Flynn, his first national security adviser, because he lied not just to the vice president but also to the F.B.I."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/trump-michael-flynn.html?auth=login-email&login=email
So, wouldn't it follow that if Michael Flynn isn't guilty, he didn't lie to the FBI. Which is it? He lied or he didn't lie.
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Trump Says He Fired Michael Flynn ‘Because He Lied’ to F.B.I.
"President Trump said on Saturday that he had fired Michael T. Flynn, his first national security adviser, because he lied not just to the vice president but also to the F.B.I."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/politics/trump-michael-flynn.html?auth=login-email&login=email
So, wouldn't it follow that if Michael Flynn isn't guilty, he didn't lie to the FBI. Which is it? He lied or he didn't lie.
I don't know but everything will be out in the open soon.
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The government bankrupted Flynn and threatened to do the same with his son who had nothing to do with anything. Flynn should sue the shit out of the criminals that bankrupted him when they knew there was no Russian collusion.
Why didn't he just tell the truth the begin with instead of lying
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why did he work for your Gay Muslim Hero then ? are you dumb and not know the facts about the Flynn case ?
Hmmm, Trumps hired lots of people that he later fired so not sure what point you think you're making
Why was Flynn forced out of the DIA?
Why did Obama warn Trump not to hire Flynn?
And again, why didn't Flynn just tell the truth to the FBI
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Why didn't he just tell the truth the begin with instead of lying
Because of the reasons I stated.
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Hmmm, Trumps hired lots of people that he later fired so not sure what point you think you're making
Why was Flynn forced out of the DIA?
Why did Obama warn Trump not to hire Flynn?
And again, why didn't Flynn just tell the truth to the FBI
Why was Flynn forced out of the DIA? - he was opposed to the corruption he saw, which was coming from Obama's admin
Why did Obama warn Trump not to hire Flynn? Obama did not like Flynn because of above
And again, why didn't Flynn just tell the truth to the FBI - He did as per the notes, he pleaded guilty to make it easier on himself and his family, happens all the time.
Any more questions ?
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Obama Knew, And Now We Know, Too
DB Daily Update ^ | David Blackmon
Posted on 5/11/2020, 8:04:01 AM by EyesOfTX
It has grown increasingly obvious over the last few weeks that Barack Hussein Obama His Own Self was fully aware of and likely involved in the planning of Spygate from the very beginning. The drip, drip, drip of newly-declassified documents, most of them forced out into the sunlight by Acting DNI Ric Grenell and Attorney General William Barr, is providing an increasingly transparent picture of just what the former president had to know and when he must have known it.
VDO.AI Over the weekend, we talked about the fact that then-Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates was stunned to discover during a meeting on January 5, 2017 with Obama and James Comey that Obama was fully aware of all of the details surrounding the effort to entrap and frame General Mike Flynn, including the fact that the FBI was illegally recording Flynn’s phone calls during the presidential transition. This meeting occurred more than 3 weeks before the FBI’s carefully-choreographed entrapment interview with Flynn.
So, we know that Obama was intimately involved in that piece of the growing Spygate scandal. But it is almost certain that he was much more deeply involved than that, going all the way back to the germination of the effort to spy on and entrap certain members of the Trump Campaign, which we know began in late 2015.
We know that because all of those efforts were being conducted out of FBI headquarters under the umbrella of a counterintelligence investigation. As former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy told Captain Tick-Tock, Sean Hannity Friday evening, counterintelligence investigations are conducted for the president, and their progress is included in the president’s periodic intelligence briefings, which Obama received on a daily basis.
Here is a clip of McCarthy’s comments, followed by a transcript:
Praying Medic @prayingmedic 18) Andrew McCarthy noted that counterintelligence investigations are done to provide information to the President about threats to national security.
The president and his staff are kept informed on investigations through the President's daily brief.#Obamagate
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Transcript:
McCarthy – What I’m saying is not that the president sits there and directs that there be counterintelligence investigations. What I’m saying is that, unlike criminal investigations, counterintelligence investigations are done for the president. The only reason to do them is to inform the president with the information he needs to protect the United States from foreign threats. They are not like criminal investigations in that regard.
So, in principle, the information from a counterintelligence investigation is for the president. And here, we know at various junctures we have actual factual information that this investigation was well-known to President Obama.
Hannity -Ok, so, if he knew, and this is all happening, he had to know about it from the get-go. Doesn’t that also imply that he would have been updated about all of this, if he’s the one that needs it for national security decision making?
McCarthy – Sean, if things were working properly, the President should’ve been alerted about it and informed about it. It was a very important investigation. If they actually believed what they were telling the court, that it was a possibility that Donald Trump was actually a plant of the Kremlin, it would have been derelict on their part not to keep the President informed.
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Now, think about the implications of what McCarthy is telling Captain Tick-Tock in this clip. Everything, every element of Spygate, was coordinated out of the FBI’s counterintelligence division, which at the time was headed up by Bill Priestap, who reported to FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe. This is why the demonic Peter Strzok had such a heavy role in every piece of the operation – he reported directly to Priestap at the time. So did FBI agent Joe Pientka, who conducted the Flynn entrapment meeting along with Strzok.
Comey and McCabe and Strzok have all claimed at the FBI formally kicked-off its counterintelligence operation against the Trump Campaign at the end of July, 2016, in an operation they named “Crossfire Hurricane.” But we know from a variety of documents now in the public domain that FBI and CIA operatives were in fact targeting Trump campaign people like George Papadopoulous way back as early as November, 2015.
We also now know that the FBI was engaged with and using information provided by British spy Christopher Steele throughout this entire time frame. And we also know that the FBI was fully aware that Steele’s information – which consisted mostly of salacious rumors provided by agents of Russia and other foreign governments – was highly questionable and very likely false. And finally, we also know that the FBI and DOJ were fully aware that Steele’s efforts were being funded by the Hillary Clinton Campaign and the DNC, which Clinton controlled at that time.
All of this is information that Barack Obama His Own Self almost certainly became aware of through his daily intelligence briefings.
Think about what else was going on under the rubrick of Crossfire Hurricane. That know-to-be-false information provided by Christopher Steele was being used by the FBI as its foundation for defrauding the FISA court and acquiring a series of illegally-obtained FISA warrants. The FBI used one of those illegal warrants to justify the tapping of Trump Transition Team phones, including General Flynn’s.
Obama knew. All of this. Every bit of it.
Now, think back to last Thursday and the breaking news that Acting DNI Grenell had hand-delivered a satchel filled with additional documents directly to Attorney General William Barr. What if those documents included copies of those daily intelligence briefings that were provided to then-president Obama during this time frame?
This could explain why President Trump suddenly switched from using the term “Spygate” to calling it “Obamagate” over the weekend. Obama’s sudden realization of how exposed he had left himself in all of this may have also motivated his decision to leak the tape of his carefully-scripted phone call with the “Obama alumni association” on Saturday.
Obama knew. He knew everything. Throughout the entirety of the 2016 presidential campaign, we had a sitting U.S. president fully aware of and actively participating in a spying operation on the nominee of the opposition party. He thought he was invulnerable because surely Hillary was going to beat Trump.
But then Trump won. And that victory by Trump necessitated the mounting of a coup d’etat on American soil in order to protect Obama and all of his his team, a coup effort that started with the attempt to entrap and frame General Mike Flynn.
Sidney Powell, Flynn’s badass lawyer who has had access now to far more information than is currently in the public domain, certainly thinks this is the case:
Tammy Bruce ✔ @HeyTammyBruce ICYMI video, the full @SidneyPowell1 intv w @MariaBartiromo on @SundayFutures. Much discussed, including: "President Obama was in on plot to 'frame' Flynn, attorney says" https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flynn-attorney-claims-president-obama-was-in-on-plot-to-frame-him …
President Obama was in on plot to 'frame' Flynn, attorney says Former national security adviser Gen. Michael Flynn's lead attorney accused top officials of orchestrating a plot to frame her client, insisting that former President Barack Obama himself was in on...
Obama knew. Everything.
This sure will be an interesting week.
That is all.
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https://nypost.com/2020/05/10/obama-meeting-could-be-behind-corrupt-michael-flynn-probe/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app
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Obama knew.
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President Obama should keep his mouth shut.
Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley
May 9
President Obama is being quoted on Flynn, saying "There is no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free." It is a curious statement. First and foremost, Flynn was not charged with perjury...
Second, we now know Obama discussed charging Flynn under the Logan Act which has never been used successfully to convict anyone and is flagrantly unconstitutional. Third, this reaffirms reports that Obama was personally invested in this effort. Finally, there is precedent...
There is a specific rule allowing for this motion under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 48(a). There are specific Supreme Court cases like Rinaldi v. United States addressing the standard for such dismissals....
The Justice Department has dismissed cases in the past including the Stevens case.That was requested by President Obama's own Attorney General Eric Holder for the same reason: misconduct by prosecutors. It was done before the same judge, Judge Sullivan. How is that for precedent?
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Obama keeps his mouth open for the old men in the bath house.
President Obama should keep his mouth shut.
Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley
May 9
President Obama is being quoted on Flynn, saying "There is no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free." It is a curious statement. First and foremost, Flynn was not charged with perjury...
Second, we now know Obama discussed charging Flynn under the Logan Act which has never been used successfully to convict anyone and is flagrantly unconstitutional. Third, this reaffirms reports that Obama was personally invested in this effort. Finally, there is precedent...
There is a specific rule allowing for this motion under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 48(a). There are specific Supreme Court cases like Rinaldi v. United States addressing the standard for such dismissals....
The Justice Department has dismissed cases in the past including the Stevens case.That was requested by President Obama's own Attorney General Eric Holder for the same reason: misconduct by prosecutors. It was done before the same judge, Judge Sullivan. How is that for precedent?
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Any Obama officials involved in Flynn 'unmasking' declassified: Source
Acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell has declassified a list of former Obama administration officials who were allegedly involved in the so-called “unmasking” of former national security adviser Michael Flynn in his conversations with the former Russian ambassador during the presidential transition, a senior U.S. official tells ABC News.
Grenell, who remains the U.S. ambassador to Germany along with being the acting DNI, visited the Justice Department last week and brought the list with him, according to the official.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-officials-involved-flynn-unmasking-declassified-source/story?id=70624372
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Any Obama officials involved in Flynn 'unmasking' declassified: Source
Acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell has declassified a list of former Obama administration officials who were allegedly involved in the so-called “unmasking” of former national security adviser Michael Flynn in his conversations with the former Russian ambassador during the presidential transition, a senior U.S. official tells ABC News.
Grenell, who remains the U.S. ambassador to Germany along with being the acting DNI, visited the Justice Department last week and brought the list with him, according to the official.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-officials-involved-flynn-unmasking-declassified-source/story?id=70624372
Could we actually see some accountability here? Trying not to get my hopes up.
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Could we actually see some accountability here? Trying not to get my hopes up.
That's the problem, nothing will happen. If this happened with a Republican administration it would be bigger than Watergate but with libs it won't even be covered much by the MSM. If Trump goes after them the MSM will make it look like he's a tyrannical leader going after his political opponents like in a banana republic.
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List of officials who sought to 'unmask' Flynn released: Biden, Comey, Obama chief of staff among them
Top Obama administration officials purportedly requested to "unmask" the identity of former national security adviser Michael Flynn during the presidential transition period, according to a list of names from that controversial process made public on Wednesday.
The list was declassified in recent days by Acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell and then sent to GOP Sens. Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson, who made the documents public. The roster features top-ranking figures including then-Vice President Joe Biden -- a detail already being raised by the Trump campaign in the bare-knuckle 2020 presidential race where Biden is now the Democrats' presumptive nominee.
The list also includes then-FBI Director James Comey, then-CIA Director John Brennan, then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, and Obama's then-chief of staff Denis McDonough.
The declassified list specifically showed officials who “may have received Lt. Gen Flynn’s identity in response to a request processed between 8 November 2016 and 31 January 2017 to unmask an identity that had been generically referred to in an NSA foreign intelligence report,” the document, obtained by Fox News, read.
The list revealed that then-U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power made unmasking requests 7 times between Nov. 30, 2016 and Jan. 11, 2017.
The list revealed that Clapper made 3 requests from Dec. 2, 2016 through Jan. 7, 2017;
and that Brennan made 2 requests, one on Dec. 14 and one on Dec. 15, 2016.
Comey also made a request on Dec. 15, 2016.
On Jan. 5, 2017, McDonough made one request, and on Jan. 12, 2017, Biden made one request.
The day McDonough requested the information is the same day as an Oval Office meeting that has drawn scrutiny in the wake of the Flynn developments. The meeting included Obama, Biden, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, then-National Security Adviser Susan Rice and then-Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/grenell-releases-list-of-officials-who-sought-to-unmask-flynn-biden-comey-obama-intel-chiefs-among-them
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That's the problem, nothing will happen. If this happened with a Republican administration it would be bigger than Watergate but with libs it won't even be covered much by the MSM. If Trump goes after them the MSM will make it look like he's a tyrannical leader going after his political opponents like in a banana republic.
True. Then there is the fact the Republican party is spineless.
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The swamp hard at work.
Lawyer appointed by Judge Sullivan to offer arguments in Flynn case already has slammed Trump WH's 'improper political influence'
By Gregg Re | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-sullivan-appoints-third-party-to-present-arguments-against-flynn-consider-holding-him-in-contempt
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List of officials who sought to 'unmask' Flynn released: Biden, Comey, Obama chief of staff among them
The list revealed that then-U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power made unmasking requests 7 times between Nov. 30, 2016 and Jan. 11, 2017.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/grenell-releases-list-of-officials-who-sought-to-unmask-flynn-biden-comey-obama-intel-chiefs-among-them
She has no recollection of the 7 requests she made... For a 49 year old woman she seems to have a very weak memory.
Samantha Power appears on Flynn unmasking list, despite testifying she had 'no recollection' of doing so
Former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power sought to obtain Michael Flynn's redacted identity using an "unmasking" request on at least seven occasions, according to newly declassified list of names released Wednesday -- even though Power testified under oath before the House Intelligence Committee that she had “no recollection” of ever making such a request even once.
While sensitive requests to “unmask” individuals -- revealing their identity on a need-to-know basis after the intelligence community intercepts their communications -- are not necessarily improper, the records raised new concerns over exactly who might have leaked details of the Flynn investigation to The Washington Post in January 2017.
That leak apparently was illegal, given national security laws and the classified nature of the Flynn probe. In early January 2017, President Obama loosened rules governing the sharing of intelligence information within the federal government -- which Trump attorney Jay Sekulow said was intended to "pave the way for a shadow government to leak classified information" more easily.
According to transcripts of her testimony released last week, Power claimed: “Any time a U.S. person or entity's name came to me disclosed or annotated, or where I requested it and it came back, I never discussed it with another member of the human race. ... I have no recollection of making a request related to General Flynn.”
Power added, “I have never leaked classified information. .. I have never leaked names that have come back to me in this highly compartmented process. I have, in fact, never leaked, even unclassified information.”
At the same time, Power acknowledged she had a “significant appetite for intelligence.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flynn-unmasking-samantha-power-testimony
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She has no recollection of the 7 requests she made... For a 49 year old woman she seems to have a very weak memory.
Samantha Power appears on Flynn unmasking list, despite testifying she had 'no recollection' of doing so
Former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power sought to obtain Michael Flynn's redacted identity using an "unmasking" request on at least seven occasions, according to newly declassified list of names released Wednesday -- even though Power testified under oath before the House Intelligence Committee that she had “no recollection” of ever making such a request even once.
While sensitive requests to “unmask” individuals -- revealing their identity on a need-to-know basis after the intelligence community intercepts their communications -- are not necessarily improper, the records raised new concerns over exactly who might have leaked details of the Flynn investigation to The Washington Post in January 2017.
That leak apparently was illegal, given national security laws and the classified nature of the Flynn probe. In early January 2017, President Obama loosened rules governing the sharing of intelligence information within the federal government -- which Trump attorney Jay Sekulow said was intended to "pave the way for a shadow government to leak classified information" more easily.
According to transcripts of her testimony released last week, Power claimed: “Any time a U.S. person or entity's name came to me disclosed or annotated, or where I requested it and it came back, I never discussed it with another member of the human race. ... I have no recollection of making a request related to General Flynn.”
Power added, “I have never leaked classified information. .. I have never leaked names that have come back to me in this highly compartmented process. I have, in fact, never leaked, even unclassified information.”
At the same time, Power acknowledged she had a “significant appetite for intelligence.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flynn-unmasking-samantha-power-testimony
Oh snap. Obamagate.
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True. Then there is the fact the Republican party is spineless.
Yes, that is always a problem. Republicans sat in on those closed door meetings and heard testimony that there was no Russian collusion but did or said nothing. Trump could have been impeached because of their inaction.
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Judge Sullivan Disregards Two Controlling Precedents By Appointing Amicus In Flynn Case
Mark Chenoweth - Contributor
May 14, 2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/markchenoweth/2020/05/14/judge-sullivan-disregards-two-controlling-precedents-by-appointing-amicus-in-flynn-case/#677104bd6f0a
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Flynn attorney files emergency appeal to shut down Judge Sullivan's orders, boot him from case
By Gregg Re | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/flynn-attorney-files-writ-to-shut-down-judge-sullivans-efforts-to-keep-case-alive?fbclid=IwAR1rNgXQvYiVjC8gYDNhh3EdYBkVD58zM6uZDoDKvwA36yh4cmYyulJbn-A
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https://thebulwark.com/45751-2/ (https://thebulwark.com/45751-2/)
Susan Rice Email Debunks the “Obamagate” Conspiracy Theory
He had a meeting with his intelligence team where he was briefed about Gen. Flynn’s back-channel conversations with a country that had committed an attack on our elections during his watch.
At the meeting he is told that some of Flynn’s conversations with Russia are unusual, but none of them include the sharing of any classified intelligence.
Obama says that the investigation should be done “by the book” unless new information comes to light at which point he should be briefed again.
President Obama privately warns President-elect Trump about Flynn in one of their only conversations.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/08/obama-warn-trump-michael-flynn-238116 (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/08/obama-warn-trump-michael-flynn-238116)
How exactly does an email she sent to herself after she was no longer in office, where she says "by the book" three times, referring to a meeting that took place weeks earlier, debunk Obamagate??
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How exactly does an email, (previously released in redacted form), she sent to herself after she was no longer in office, where she says "by the book" three times, referring to a meeting that took place weeks earlier, prove Obamagate??
Weak. Who said it proves it? You posted a story saying the email disproves it. How does it disprove it?
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Weak. Who said it proves it? You posted a story saying the email disproves it. How does it disprove it?
Don't bother with libtardians such as the person you were responding to as they are all for suckcess over success. They are societal leeches.
FTN, brother! Be well! ;D
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Judge in Flynn case hires lawyer as appeals court reviews his decision not to dismiss: report
U.S. District Court Judge Emmett G. Sullivan has taken the unusual step of hiring an attorney to represent him as an appeals court reviews his decision not to immediately grant the Justice Department's (DOJ's) request to dismiss its case against former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.
Sullivan hired attorney Beth Wilkinson who, according to The Washington Post, is expected to notify the D.C. Court of Appeals within the next week of her decision to represent him. Wilkinson reportedly is a go-to for high-profile officials in difficult situations. For example, she previously represented then-Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh as he fought sexual misconduct allegations in 2018.
The added representation compounded what has become an abnormal case, which is rooted in Flynn misleading the FBI about his contacts with Russia after the 2016 presidential election. Although Flynn pleaded guilty, he's currently seeking to withdraw that plea as the Justice Department argues that the FBI had an insufficient basis to interview him in the first place.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-sullivan-lawyer-wilkinson-flynn-case
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You might be doing something unconstitutional as a judge if you have to hire a lawyer for your decision. And lawyers wonder why they are hated...
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CliffsNotes: General Flynn told the truth. Mueller and his team lied. Conclusive proof laid out in this article.
Declassified Flynn Transcripts Contradict Key Mueller Claims Against Flynn
Newly released declassified transcripts of call transcripts and summaries between Flynn and Kislyak contradict key claims made against Flynn by former Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
By Sean Davis
MAY 29, 2020
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/29/declassified-flynn-transcripts-contradict-key-mueller-claims-against-flynn/?fbclid=IwAR0u8UjtsaP82AkRPIHOiyfnJKJpsdAM5HMO6U3jevdr35LAz2wRlo-7pWo#.XtV36suF6E8.facebook
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Appeals court orders judge to dismiss Michael Flynn case
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia on Wednesday ordered that a federal judge dismiss the case against President Donald Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn, ending his long court battle and freeing him of the prospect of a prison sentence.
By a 2-1 vote, a three-judge panel said U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan had no choice but to grant the Justice Department's motion to drop the case against Flynn.
"Because this is not the unusual case where a more searching inquiry is justified, and because there is no adequate remedy for the intrusion on 'the Executive’s long-settled primacy over charging decisions,' we grant the petition for mandamus in part and order the district court to grant the government’s Rule 48(a) motion to dismiss the charges against Flynn," Judge Neomi Rao, a Trump appointee, wrote in the three-judge panel's majority decision.
Flynn twice pleaded guilty to charges that he lied to FBI agents in Jan. 2017 about his conversations with Russia's ambassador to the U.S. But after an agreement to cooperate with prosecutors fell apart in a separate case involving Flynn's former business partner, Flynn sought to withdraw his plea.
Last month, Flynn asked the appeals court for an order directing U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan, who is handling his case, to dismiss it. That came after the Justice Department filed a motion to dismiss the case, which led Sullivan to appoint a retired federal judge to examine the government's justification and to analyze whether Flynn should be separately found in contempt of court for his guilty plea.
Because he was never sentenced, Flynn was never actually convicted so there is no conviction to wipe off the record. If Sullivan follows the appeals court's instructions and formally grants the government's motion to dismiss, the case will be over. Sullivan could also appeal Wednesday's ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court. He has not said whether he would do so.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/appeals-court-orders-judge-dismiss-michael-flynn-case-n1231988
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Appeals court orders judge to dismiss Michael Flynn case
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia on Wednesday ordered that a federal judge dismiss the case against President Donald Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn, ending his long court battle and freeing him of the prospect of a prison sentence.
By a 2-1 vote, a three-judge panel said U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan had no choice but to grant the Justice Department's motion to drop the case against Flynn.
"Because this is not the unusual case where a more searching inquiry is justified, and because there is no adequate remedy for the intrusion on 'the Executive’s long-settled primacy over charging decisions,' we grant the petition for mandamus in part and order the district court to grant the government’s Rule 48(a) motion to dismiss the charges against Flynn," Judge Neomi Rao, a Trump appointee, wrote in the three-judge panel's majority decision.
Flynn twice pleaded guilty to charges that he lied to FBI agents in Jan. 2017 about his conversations with Russia's ambassador to the U.S. But after an agreement to cooperate with prosecutors fell apart in a separate case involving Flynn's former business partner, Flynn sought to withdraw his plea.
Last month, Flynn asked the appeals court for an order directing U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan, who is handling his case, to dismiss it. That came after the Justice Department filed a motion to dismiss the case, which led Sullivan to appoint a retired federal judge to examine the government's justification and to analyze whether Flynn should be separately found in contempt of court for his guilty plea.
Because he was never sentenced, Flynn was never actually convicted so there is no conviction to wipe off the record. If Sullivan follows the appeals court's instructions and formally grants the government's motion to dismiss, the case will be over. Sullivan could also appeal Wednesday's ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court. He has not said whether he would do so.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/appeals-court-orders-judge-dismiss-michael-flynn-case-n1231988
Outstanding.
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Outstanding.
Although this seems like a done deal, it may not yet be over. Makes no difference to me. Just saying, that's what I read in today's Oregonian and the New York Times.
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Although this seems like a done deal, it may not yet be over. Makes no difference to me. Just saying, that's what I read in today's Oregonian and the New York Times.
Yes Judge Sullivan can ask for the entire appellate court panel to hear the case and he could also appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. I doubt either one of those would be successful. I'm just glad this man's long nightmare is just about over.
Now I hope President Trump makes him part of his cabinet, if no other reason than to give the middle finger to the crooks who tried to ruin General Flynn's life.
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Yes Judge Sullivan can ask for the entire appellate court panel to hear the case and he could also appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. I doubt either one of those would be successful. I'm just glad this man's long nightmare is just about over.
Now I hope President Trump makes him part of his cabinet, if no other reason than to give the middle finger to the crooks who tried to ruin General Flynn's life.
That would be an interesting move on Trump's part considering he fired him when all this started. He's counting on people having short memories. Trump basically burned Flynn by firing him. If I were Flynn, I'd think real hard before accepting a position on Trump's cabinet.
"Three years ago, President Trump swiftly fired his first national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, for lying to the F.B.I. Ahead of the November election, Mr. Trump and his allies are now telling a very different tale.
Mr. Flynn, top White House officials said then, had lied to Vice President Mike Pence and other aides about the nature of his calls to the ambassador, had lied repeatedly to F.B.I. agents about the calls, and might have made himself vulnerable to Russian blackmail."
“This case reeks of political influence,” said Marshall L. Miller, a former top prosecutor in Brooklyn and the principal deputy of the Justice Department’s criminal division. “Mr. Flynn admitted twice under oath that he lied to the F.B.I. Political appointees at D.O.J. are now trying to rewrite the law to erase the crime.”"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/us/politics/trump-michael-flynn.html
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That would be an interesting move on Trump's part considering he fired him when all this started. He's counting on people having short memories. Trump basically burned Flynn by firing him. If I were Flynn, I'd think real hard before accepting a position on Trump's cabinet.
"Three years ago, President Trump swiftly fired his first national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, for lying to the F.B.I. Ahead of the November election, Mr. Trump and his allies are now telling a very different tale.
Mr. Flynn, top White House officials said then, had lied to Vice President Mike Pence and other aides about the nature of his calls to the ambassador, had lied repeatedly to F.B.I. agents about the calls, and might have made himself vulnerable to Russian blackmail."
“This case reeks of political influence,” said Marshall L. Miller, a former top prosecutor in Brooklyn and the principal deputy of the Justice Department’s criminal division. “Mr. Flynn admitted twice under oath that he lied to the F.B.I. Political appointees at D.O.J. are now trying to rewrite the law to erase the crime.”"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/us/politics/trump-michael-flynn.html
Yes, President Trump believed General Flynn lied. So did I. Then I looked at the facts, as did President Trump. Now we know with absolute certainty that they set this man up and that it was orchestrated by Obama and Biden.