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Title: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Kwon on September 23, 2017, 04:50:49 AM
Would it not be sufficient with a shot in the leg?

Videoclip at the bottom.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/)


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: robcguns on September 23, 2017, 05:17:38 AM
The way I see it is if you are robbing a store with a gun there is pretty much not much you won't do.Therefore you are an animal and useless to society so I say shoot away.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on September 23, 2017, 05:47:42 AM
Would it not be sufficient with a shot in the leg?

Videoclip at the bottom.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/)


You swing at an officer and physically attack him then you earned that bullet sandwich hold the mayo


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: SF1900 on September 23, 2017, 05:51:37 AM

You swing at an officer and physically attack him then you earned that bullet sandwich hold the mayo

Vince, what about the mustard?


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on September 23, 2017, 06:06:19 AM
Vince, what about the mustard?

No mustard....a lot of ketchup though...


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: ESFitness on September 23, 2017, 06:10:04 AM

You swing at an officer and physically attack him then you earned that bullet sandwich hold the mayo

Being a former CO & Security Guard, there Vince, I would have thought you would be familiar with the term "disparity of force"


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: BB on September 23, 2017, 06:12:25 AM
That little dance he did as he was getting shot was kinda sweet. It sorta reminded me of the old Thriller video zombies.

Don't be an asshole in public, and don't fight with cops. That was the moral to this shooting.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Simple Simon on September 23, 2017, 06:18:03 AM
Being a former CO & Security Guard, there Vince, I would have thought you would be familiar with the term "disparity of force"

is that the same as Plausible deniability?
Another term you have no idea the meaning of?


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: SF1900 on September 23, 2017, 06:20:43 AM
is that the same as Plausible deniability?
Another term you have no idea the meaning of?

BE THERE, can you please explain how ESFITNESS used the term "plausible deniability" in an incorrect manner?


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on September 23, 2017, 06:24:42 AM
Being a former CO & Security Guard, there Vince, I would have thought you would be familiar with the term "disparity of force"


If you're attacked by an unknown person, you have no clue as to what he has.  He could have popped up with a knife or even a gun.  The officer had the option to tase him but he also had the option to use deadly force.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Simple Simon on September 23, 2017, 06:29:53 AM
BE THERE, can you please explain how ESFITNESS used the term "plausible deniability" in an incorrect manner?
he seems to believe that he can use the term "plausible Deniability" in reference to him posting comments about selling steroids online.

The fact is , the cops are not going to arrest him for comments made online, they will just investigate the claims he's making and gather evidence before they arrest him, at that point the term PD is useless to him as they will have a large file of photo , video, undercover cops buying his shite and multiple witness statements..

If someone confesses to a crime the prosecution services just don't go to trail with that, they still get evidence of motive and place the perp at the scene.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: ESFitness on September 23, 2017, 07:12:34 AM
he seems to believe that he can use the term "plausible Deniability" in reference to him posting comments about selling steroids online.

The fact is , the cops are not going to arrest him for comments made online, they will just investigate the claims he's making and gather evidence before they arrest him, at that point the term PD is useless to him as they will have a large file of photo , video, undercover cops buying his shite and multiple witness statements..

If someone confesses to a crime the prosecution services just don't go to trail with that, they still get evidence of motive and place the perp at the scene.

What kind of evidence you fucking moron? You really really should stop talking about things you know nothing about. You two look more like Dumber & Dumber'er every day


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: SF1900 on September 23, 2017, 07:23:59 AM
What kind of evidence you fucking moron? You really really should stop talking about things you know nothing about. You two look more like Dumber & Dumber'er every day

haha, yes, I am sure you are the posterboy for intelligence.  :D :D :D


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Fortress on September 23, 2017, 07:31:41 AM
If you're causing harm, in any way, to societal order and civility, you deserve to be shot.

Dead.

Period.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Mobil on September 23, 2017, 07:36:26 AM

You swing at an officer and physically attack him then you earned that bullet sandwich hold the mayo

but what if it is a playing punch...like joking around?


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: YngiweRhoads on September 23, 2017, 07:37:42 AM
If you're causing harm, in any way, to societal order and civility, you deserve to be shot.

Dead.

Period.

qft


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: illuminati on September 23, 2017, 07:47:49 AM
If he did have a gun and was pointing it or not making any attempt to throw it down
he probably deserved to be shot - 7 times may have been OTT.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: tommywishbone on September 23, 2017, 08:07:18 AM
Huntington Beach. Probably just a couple surfers arguing over a surf spot. Hang ten moondoggie.   


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Simple Simon on September 23, 2017, 09:18:17 AM
What kind of evidence you fucking moron? You really really should stop talking about things you know nothing about. You two look more like Dumber & Dumber'er every day

Oh brother...
If you are selling UGL gear there will be evidence, if not, then you are not selling them.

As I said, the cops may investigate you based on your claims, then again, they may not.

You claiming that you have cops as clients may push them to investigate a bit more, then again, they may leave you alone as they don't want to lose their source.

The el chappo of the UGL labs may get left alone.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: HonestBob on September 23, 2017, 09:22:04 AM
If he did have a gun and was pointing it or not making any attempt to throw it down
he probably deserved to be shot - 7 times may have been OTT.

"May"?

I've no sympathy when someone gets aggressive with cops in the US, I don't blame for being comparatively trigger happy to other western nation's police because of the gun problem here, but he didn't need to shoot the poor bastard 7 times.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Simple Simon on September 23, 2017, 09:22:49 AM
in regards to the thread, you go in a store armed then you deserve to die.

Most of the "off duty cop" vides you see in Brazil are executions by cop.

Fair enough in my book.

www.bestgore.com/robbery/arm-shop-owner-react-robbery-Ö


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: denarii on September 23, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
there was no cause to shoot him. officer should be prosecuted.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Ron on September 23, 2017, 09:32:08 AM
What happened before this? Did the guy have a gun, or was he just fighting with the officer. Yes, it does matter.

If the guy had no gun, and was just fighting or drunk or on drugs - one shot would have more than been suffice to bring him down.

But 7 shots - this officer might be prosecuted as no jury will see this as 'justified' - unless he had a gun or a knife?



Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Mobil on September 23, 2017, 09:38:48 AM
Victim wasnt black so it wont make national media.. being pushed over and over and over and over... anyways.. fuck it he attacked police officer... night night dummy....yes, i believe police officers need to be taught more restraint on certain situations...but its your life or theirs when someone attacks you(what if he overpowered the officer and took his gun and shot the cop?).. and 7 shots is due to adrenaline not anger (my opinion). majority of people i know, know not to attack police officers... when someone does, cops know its a life and death situation....just my opinion. would you attack a police officer?


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 23, 2017, 09:52:15 AM
Would it not be sufficient with a shot in the leg?

Videoclip at the bottom.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/)

Happened right across the street from the school where I coach. We have been talking about this on the HB community boards since yesterday. This was an absolute justified shooting. A new video just was just posted to those boards showing the suspect attacking the cop with the cop fighting back before the suspect grabbed his belt.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 23, 2017, 09:55:07 AM
What happened before this? Did the guy have a gun, or was he just fighting with the officer. Yes, it does matter.

If the guy had no gun, and was just fighting or drunk or on drugs - one shot would have more than been suffice to bring him down.

But 7 shots - this officer will be prosecuted as no jury will see this as 'justified'



 Not sure if you have access to this or not...


http://ktla.com/2017/09/25/new-graphic-video-shows-man-throwing-punch-at-officer-before-fatal-huntington-beach-shooting/


https://www.facebook.com/groups/HBcommunityforum/permalink/1977771685769674/


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: The Ugly on September 23, 2017, 10:08:31 AM
Guy took something from cop's belt while they were down. Another video shows it more clearly. Comes up with it in his right hand. Pretty sure this is what made cop draw his gun.

Dude went out like Scarface, though, still standing after 6-7 shots. Unreal. First time I've seen a cop order someone to the ground after he unloads.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: denarii on September 23, 2017, 10:18:58 AM
if he got the cops taser then yeah he had to. if it was something else then one or two rounds were enough.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 23, 2017, 10:23:02 AM
Best friend is a Sergeant in another City in So. Cal.

"OK I just looked it up... They call those state of mind shootings.... Cop was in a fight with suspect that was crazy or on drugs (or both).  The suspect tried to get the cops gun, (ended up with something off the cops belt, looked like a flashlight to me. could have been a knife or baton). So its a fight for his life...cop didnít know what the guy had in his hand, (or that it came off his own belt)  just saw a dark object and knows the suspect is trying to kill him (based on the attempted gun take-away)... Taser didnít work.  The suspect gets up and starts to reengage the cop a second time (move towards him)... The cop, fearing for his life, fires....The cop doesnít have to re-engage giving the suspect a second chance to get his gun and kill him. He doesnít have to wait to find out what the suspect has in his hand... He canít run away or leave because that gives a dangerous suspect the opertunity to assault or kill a civilian ...   "


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Mobil on September 23, 2017, 10:36:47 AM
Guy took something from cop's belt while they were down. Another video shows it more clearly. Comes up with it in his right hand. Pretty sure this is what made cop draw his gun.

Dude went out like Scarface, though, still standing after 6-7 shots. Unreal. First time I've seen a cop order someone to the ground after he unloads.

really doesnt matter that it came to that point.. someone attacks you and you own a firearm(CHL), what would you do? now think about this.... nobody i know would attack a police officer... so if someone is crazy enough to attack a police officer....that means they(the civilian) has every intention to kill or hurt that officer.... what do you think is going on in the cops head?


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Kwon on September 23, 2017, 11:27:33 AM
Happened right across the street from the school where I coach. We have been talking about this on the HB community boards since yesterday. This was an absolute justified shooting. A new video just was just posted to those boards showing the suspect attacking the cop with the cop fighting back before the suspect grabbed his belt.

Ok, thanks Coach marino!


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: The Ugly on September 23, 2017, 11:38:47 AM
really doesnt matter that it came to that point.. someone attacks you and you own a firearm(CHL), what would you do? now think about this.... nobody i know would attack a police officer... so if someone is crazy enough to attack a police officer....that means they(the civilian) has every intention to kill or hurt that officer.... what do you think is going on in the cops head?

Ahh, new policy then. Appreciate the update, Sheriff Joe.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 23, 2017, 12:14:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9igSoJHEdUo


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Mobil on September 23, 2017, 12:38:39 PM
Ahh, new policy then. Appreciate the update, Sheriff Joe.

no problem... we shall teach police officers just to say "Stop it!!"" "Please Stop"...."Oh cmon, please"


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 23, 2017, 12:50:11 PM
Looking at the HB Community Forums and HB Police FB forums the asshole activists (Antifa) are chiming in and of course lying about what happened. Fuck heads


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Megalodon on September 24, 2017, 02:09:11 PM
Context:


https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=999_1506200618

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbI-DwK6dPM




Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 24, 2017, 02:20:56 PM
Context:


https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=999_1506200618

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbI-DwK6dPM




Facebook have the original poster of this video on our HB Community page a 7 day ban for graphic content. I guess it didn't fit FB's agenda because the video Clearly showed the cop had no choice.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Glass Bro on September 24, 2017, 02:29:38 PM
"May"?

I've no sympathy when someone gets aggressive with cops in the US, I don't blame for being comparatively trigger happy to other western nation's police because of the gun problem here, but he didn't need to shoot the poor bastard 7 times.

Cop only had six in the clip, one in the hole??? If I am the cop, I am emptying the clip and going home to my family.

Real brave of you to tell the cop what he should and shouldn't do from the comfort of your keyboard.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: cross-of-iron on September 24, 2017, 02:39:08 PM
I looked up his facebook profile.

He served in the navy. I think he had a drug problem.
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/21765793_10208052735396014_7964958789709321261_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoibCJ9&oh=e4a376ed2ea4177df71c7fd92602c0e4&oe=5A52EFFF)


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: rangerwil on September 24, 2017, 02:51:56 PM
"When you engage in a fight against any person who advertises the fact that they wield a firearm, in particular a police officer, it can only be assumed by the person equipped with the gun defending themselves, that their opponent wouldn't start a fight unless they had a reasonable chance at success, which means being killed by the person attacking you. Put simply, if you know your opponent is aware you have a firearm, and they are willing to attack you anyways, you must assume it is now a fight to save your life. Had that kid been armed, he could have drawn a gun and shot that officer as soon as he was given space, and it only takes a second, maybe two. He could have dipped a hand in his hoodie and shot through his pocket. Life isn't a game. Don't fight people you shouldn't, and you won't die. Defend yourself against people who shouldn't be fighting, as this officer did, and you won't die. It's not fair to ask any officer to put their life on the line for the safety of a person who is attacking them. That isn't part of the job description"

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/71uoph/video_shows_huntington_beach_police_officer/


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Kwon on September 24, 2017, 03:06:44 PM
Context:


https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=999_1506200618

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbI-DwK6dPM




Thanks for showing the whole picture.

Justified!


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: obsidian on September 24, 2017, 03:23:33 PM

You swing at an officer and physically attack him then you earned that bullet sandwich hold the mayo
If he was black you might have had a different opinion.

But I agree this shooting was justified.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Pray_4_War on September 24, 2017, 04:09:11 PM
Would it not be sufficient with a shot in the leg?

Videoclip at the bottom.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/)

If you are going to shoot someone you gotta aim for the center of mass.  Intentionally shooting people in the leg only happens in the movies.

Also, shooting someone in the leg wouldn't help even if you were able to be that precise with your aim because of the femoral artery.  Get shot there and it's time to die.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on September 24, 2017, 04:36:39 PM
If he was black you might have had a different opinion.

But I agree this shooting was justified.


Nope.  A police officer has the right to come home safe to his family.  This has nothing to do with race.  He attacked a police officer and tried to get his gun....period.



I am glad however that you can no longer post to Stormfront.... ;D


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: obsidian on September 24, 2017, 04:50:22 PM

Nope.  A police officer has the right to come home safe to his family.  This has nothing to do with race.  He attacked a police officer and tried to get his gun....period.



I am glad however that you can no longer post to Stormfront.... ;D
I can still post on Stormfront if I wanted to - just update your host file dummy - see attached screenshot. I might register there now just to give a finger to the left.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: WalterWhite on September 24, 2017, 08:39:49 PM

Nope.  A police officer has the right to come home safe to his family.  This has nothing to do with race.  He attacked a police officer and tried to get his gun....period.



I am glad however that you can no longer post to Stormfront.... ;D

Great topic for another video Vince. In fact I think it would do quite well based on your position.

Why just post on bodybuilding related topics.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: viking1 on September 26, 2017, 07:43:46 AM
Looking at the HB Community Forums and HB Police FB forums the asshole activists (Antifa) are chiming in and of course lying about what happened. Fuck heads


I can't believe the morons posting on the HB forums, Coach. Especially the idiots saying, "Why didn't he shoot him in the knee?".   He was mentally ill. Dishonorable discharge, mental illness, drug addict, practicing satanism, posting anti police messages, etc. On his page, you could see the downfall in his mind the last 5 years. Someone has already deleted many messages from his page.   This human had no hope and was extremely damaged. It was his time to go and I'm grateful the officer wasn't injured and no other civilians or officers were injured. This could've been very ugly. I watched the police response racing down there.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Dan-O on September 26, 2017, 08:03:09 AM
Here's just one of Dillan's Facebook posts--note the complete lack of punctuation, commas, periods, colons, or semicolons, to say nothing of paragraphs.  But he did make judicious use of parentheses, for some reason.

Dillan Tabares
September 2, 2015 ∑

JE JA ( JE and JAA the two destroyer male fairy) ( JA GOD)has fallen and will not return i have ended him and may have seen me there is no ancients of ancients and my twin angel sits upon his throne there are no gods left here I am the mortal dead fairy and I will rise again as jehuty God(JA) first real son of Jehovah Thoath little brother of jehoeave sorrow Lucian (brandon) (wrong name of first body) big sister is the spirit hova Dillan FEC the only seraphin the 7 hero are dead and soon to be made never for I am Aanima ff10 and I am being defiled soon this will be over I have been to all of gods infinite infinites and more of the allies I have quarantined as many as needed and made it to earth. You will be able to rest soon JE


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Kwon on September 26, 2017, 08:04:12 AM
Here's just one of Dillan's Facebook posts--note the complete lack of punctuation, commas, periods, colons, or semicolons, to say nothing of paragraphs.  But he did make judicious use of parentheses, for some reason.

Dillan Tabares
September 2, 2015 ∑

JE JA ( JE and JAA the two destroyer male fairy) ( JA GOD)has fallen and will not return i have ended him and may have seen me there is no ancients of ancients and my twin angel sits upon his throne there are no gods left here I am the mortal dead fairy and I will rise again as jehuty God(JA) first real son of Jehovah Thoath little brother of jehoeave sorrow Lucian (brandon) (wrong name of first body) big sister is the spirit hova Dillan FEC the only seraphin the 7 hero are dead and soon to be made never for I am Aanima ff10 and I am being defiled soon this will be over I have been to all of gods infinite infinites and more of the allies I have quarantined as many as needed and made it to earth. You will be able to rest soon JE

But did he believe in a Flat Earth?


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: viking1 on September 26, 2017, 08:12:03 AM
He was paroled from state prison, one week before the shooting. Multiple battery charges, served 18 months.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 26, 2017, 08:31:20 AM
He was paroled from state prison, one week before the shooting. Multiple battery charges, served 18 months.

The HB forum just posted another article by MSN. Comments are racking up quick.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: viking1 on September 27, 2017, 03:50:56 PM
The HB forum just posted another article by MSN. Comments are racking up quick.


At least we have the air show this weekend, to move the focus elsewhere.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 27, 2017, 08:38:08 PM
after spending time on the anti police page, it is refreshing to see that most people understand, the cop is not always the one who dictates the outcome of an encounter


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: illuminati on September 28, 2017, 04:45:26 AM
after spending time on the anti police page, it is refreshing to see that most people understand, the cop is not always the one who dictates the outcome of an encounter


Why would you say that -
Do you dislike reading some of the Horrible things police get up to.
Because they do & often times it is filmed thank fully for those on the receiving end
Dont help those that are dead tho.

I have often crossed verbal swords with you - Though i have also agreed & praised you
Something I notice is sadly lacking with yourself

Your quick & happy to call a scumbag a scumbag Just as long as they are not in the police service
Then you come out with a very carefully worded statement about whatever has happened or they
have done  ::)

Please try to be consistent A lowlife scumbag is a lowlife scumbag whether they wear a uniform or not
Enough of your pussying around when it comes to Cops behaving like arsewipes - Fact Some do..


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: falco on September 28, 2017, 06:46:17 AM
Would it not be sufficient with a shot in the leg?

Videoclip at the bottom.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/)

Was that a pellet gun?
The guy was shot 7 times and was still standing? Impressive dead fucker.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Agnostic007 on September 28, 2017, 08:31:03 AM

Why would you say that -
Do you dislike reading some of the Horrible things police get up to.
Because they do & often times it is filmed thank fully for those on the receiving end
Dont help those that are dead tho.

I have often crossed verbal swords with you - Though i have also agreed & praised you
Something I notice is sadly lacking with yourself

Your quick & happy to call a scumbag a scumbag Just as long as they are not in the police service
Then you come out with a very carefully worded statement about whatever has happened or they
have done  ::)

Please try to be consistent A lowlife scumbag is a lowlife scumbag whether they wear a uniform or not
Enough of your pussying around when it comes to Cops behaving like arsewipes - Fact Some do..

The anti police page certainly points out some atrocious things, but there are many times, and I have pointed them out, when police get slammed for nothing


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: SF1900 on September 28, 2017, 08:36:15 AM
The anti police page certainly points out some atrocious things, but there are many times, and I have pointed them out, when police get slammed for nothing

Why do cops protect cops, even when a cop is clearly wrong? This often occurs with new people on the force who are intimidated into a veil of silence.



Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Simple Simon on September 28, 2017, 12:44:17 PM
Why do cops protect cops, even when a cop is clearly wrong? This often occurs with new people on the force who are intimidated into a veil of silence.


soldiers do the same, family members do it for family members...


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 28, 2017, 01:25:59 PM

At least we have the air show this weekend, to move the focus elsewhere.

Yep. Was fun last year. I'm home for lunch now on the beach watching them practice and circle over our house. Good stuff.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: SF1900 on September 28, 2017, 01:28:48 PM
soldiers do the same, family members do it for family members...

Doesn't make it right, especially since the difference is that cops take an "oath" to uphold the law. They are held to a higher standard. And I would not protect a family member who committed a crime.

But nice attempt at trolling!



Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: illuminati on September 28, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
The anti police page certainly points out some atrocious things, but there are many times, and I have pointed them out, when police get slammed for nothing


Yes & so do many innocent people
Noticed again you only mentioned & sided with cops

That is the ingrained problem - only seeing one side.

Scumbag arsewipes are Scumbag arsewipes = See it's easy - no siding just fact

Try being unbais


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: illuminati on September 28, 2017, 01:38:04 PM
Doesn't make it right, especially since the difference is that cops take an "oath" to uphold the law. They are held to a higher standard. And I would not protect a family member who committed a crime.

But nice attempt at trolling!



Correct they do take an oath to uphold the law

And yes they should be held to a higher standard

Though quite frequently we see they are not.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Simple Simon on September 28, 2017, 01:40:42 PM
Doesn't make it right, especially since the difference is that cops take an "oath" to uphold the law. They are held to a higher standard. And I would not protect a family member who committed a crime.

But nice attempt at trolling!



I never claimed it did, I was just pointing out human nature to protect others...

And would you shop a relative if they committed a crime but what the did was morally right?


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: SF1900 on September 28, 2017, 01:49:14 PM
I never claimed it did, I was just pointing out human nature to protect others...

And would you shop a relative if they committed a crime but what the did was morally right?

Does shop a relative mean turn in?


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Simple Simon on September 28, 2017, 01:53:03 PM
Does shop a relative mean turn in?

yes, you also need to be very careful replying, you are going to get yourself in a whole world of knots.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: SF1900 on September 28, 2017, 01:54:02 PM
yes, you also need to be very careful replying, you are going to get yourself in a whole world of knots.

Why would I get myself into a whole world of knots by replying?


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Simple Simon on September 28, 2017, 01:54:41 PM
Why would I get myself into a whole world of knots by replying?

you are wise to be wary

never mind...


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: SF1900 on September 28, 2017, 01:56:11 PM
you are wise to be wary

never mind...

ok


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Simple Simon on September 28, 2017, 01:56:53 PM
ok

the law and morals are not always close relatives.   ;)


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: SF1900 on September 28, 2017, 01:58:20 PM
the law and morals are not always close relatives.   ;)

Yup


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Simple Simon on September 28, 2017, 01:59:40 PM
Yup

But you said you would not protect a family member who committed a crime, it was quite a blanket catch all statement.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Simple Simon on September 28, 2017, 02:04:10 PM
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Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: viking1 on September 28, 2017, 04:46:41 PM
Yep. Was fun last year. I'm home for lunch now on the beach watching them practice and circle over our house. Good stuff.

The Blue Angels appeared to be flying lower than the group last year, over downtown. It's going to be an amazing weekend.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting in Huntington Beach, California? Yes or No?
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on September 29, 2017, 02:46:54 PM
Would it not be sufficient with a shot in the leg?

Videoclip at the bottom.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cop-shoots-man-convenience-store/)

You cannot shoot people in the leg, you cannot shoot unless deadly force is necessary and in that case you have to make it deadly force and go for center mass.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on September 29, 2017, 02:47:41 PM
Being a former CO & Security Guard, there Vince, I would have thought you would be familiar with the term "disparity of force"

and continuum of force.


Title: Re: Justified Shooting? Yes/No
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on September 29, 2017, 02:48:49 PM
What happened before this? Did the guy have a gun, or was he just fighting with the officer. Yes, it does matter.

If the guy had no gun, and was just fighting or drunk or on drugs - one shot would have more than been suffice to bring him down.

But 7 shots - this officer might be prosecuted as no jury will see this as 'justified' - unless he had a gun or a knife?



Mr. Avidan this is not how it works at all and in that case the Jury would be dead wrong.