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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Simple Simon on October 02, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
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I believe mr Goodrum did a video on this topic.
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Flex has better lines, waist, and muscle bellies pop out more.
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Flex has better lines, waist, and muscle bellies pop out more.
Not on the Front lat spread
WooSHHHHHHH
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What placing did the no 21 fella get?
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What placing did the no 21 fella get?
2nd
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Hadi had 'em. David Henry's legs have been down for years. Any reason why? Could it be due to being in the military and needing maneuverability?
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Flex got a very early Christmas present.
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2nd
Flex has insane calves and might have the edge in the bdb as well as the hype of being the reigning 212 Olympia champion but I think no 21 looks better in the other poses.
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Flex doesn't have the dwarf proportions, doesnt look like a short arse
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In the video, Hadi's midsection looked too big in his transitions. Something didn't look quite right.
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Flex has better lines, waist, and muscle bellies pop out more.
This. Hadi's waist is too wide, that throws off his lines. And his thighs dwarf his calves, kind of like Big Ramy. That also throws off his aesthetics. And I daresay Jose Raymond should have been 2nd.
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This. Hadi's waist is too wide, that throws off his lines. And his thighs dwarf his calves, kind of like Big Ramy. That also throws off his aesthetics. And I daresay Jose Raymond should have been 2nd.
Good points.
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Very close...
Flex takes it IMO, more pleasing to the eye.
Hadi is there musculature/condition wise, it's his genetics that limit him now.
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Hadi had 'em. David Henry's legs have been down for years. Any reason why? Could it be due to being in the military and needing maneuverability?
He hasn’t been in the military in ages
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Hadi had 'em. David Henry's legs have been down for years. Any reason why? Could it be due to being in the military and needing maneuverability?
Age
Slowing up
Winding down his training/career perhaps?
Injury
Nothing to do with the millitary...
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I believe mr Goodrum did a video on this topic.
yep
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This. Hadi's waist is too wide, that throws off his lines. And his thighs dwarf his calves, kind of like Big Ramy. That also throws off his aesthetics. And I daresay Jose Raymond should have been 2nd.
agreed. his arms dont match his chest. his thighs are too big for his calves. hes only got one pose and in that he looks like a big spider. you know what i think flex did. i think he messed with him alittle bit. i think he played with his mind. probably took his shirt and hid it from him.
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agreed. his arms dont match his chest. his thighs are too big for his calves. hes only got one pose and in that he looks like a big spider. you know what i think flex did. i think he messed with him alittle bit. i think he played with his mind. probably took his shirt and hid it from him.
He didn’t take his shirt, he took his thong and hid it
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Flex edges him better from the side and rear, little better balanced overall as well.
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Hadi had 'em. David Henry's legs have been down for years. Any reason why? Could it be due to being in the military and needing maneuverability?
Genetics. Same reason flex's lower lats disappear in rdb.
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Flex > Chopin.
And with that said,
lol at people think GSP is clean, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Choopans legs look retarded. Way too big. Flex has a better look for sure. I think Jose Raymond is the most balanced, he could have taken 2nd or 1st IMO.
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Well, when you compare physiques there is more than conditioning and size to consider. Proportions are also important as is aesthetics. Flex just looks better. Shape of the legs much better. Look at the calves and arms and forearms...all go to Flex. Thighs too big on Hadi....spoils the proportions because his calves not in proportion. Shoulders wide and impressive on Hadi. Extremities let him down.
I don't see how anyone can think this was close. Raymond was huge as well but not as aesthetic.
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Jose Raymond has a far more aesthetic upper body than Flex, simply better in every way. From the vacuum pose, to the chest thickness, lat size, from the front, back and sides his upper body outclasses Flex's. It's not just an upper body game and his thighs aren't as big as Flex's but that's his only weakpoint compared to Flex.
If anything, Flex's calves are too big for his thighs. Ronnie Coleman won 8 straight Olympia's with calves that were too small for his thighs. Hadi looks fantastic and will win a lot of shows if he keeps this shape.
Ah, how the standards change to suit guys like Coleman. A shame, really, because his calves were suspect. Ditto for Dexter and perhaps others. No need to bring up lagging body parts just give the judges what they want and you can win. Dorian won with half a biceps so that shows you what the judging standard is like.
Flex has amazing calves that are in proportion to his arms and forearms. Hadi and the others not so much.
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It's about personal preference and what you choose to focus on. I personally think Hadi looks absolutely fine. His calves being a tiny bit smaller than his thighs are the same as Flex's thighs being a tiny bit too small for his calves. Just about personal preference. There's not a set rule (ala Coleman, Dorian) where calves have to match arms, etc.
Hadi is catching upto Flex, though.
If you are replying to the op re who looks better that is one thing. Arguing about judging criterion is another thing and hopefully not so subjective.
You may prefer a type of physique but that doesn't mean it is better re judging criterion.
For example, Steve Reeves had a great physique that would not place in the Olympia today.
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If you are replying to the op re who looks better that is one thing. Arguing about judging criterion is another thing and hopefully not so subjective.
You may prefer a type of physique but that doesn't mean it is better re judging criterion.
For example, Steve Reeves had a great physique that would not place in the Olympia today.
If I was a judge and Bob Paris walked out at his best at the 2018 Olympia I would place him first as that's my personal opinion, as a judge you cant do that, you have to toe the line...
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If I was a judge and Bob Paris walked out at his best at the 2018 Olympia I would place him first as that's my personal opinion, as a judge you cant do that, you have to toe the line...
No, not at all. You simply have to apply the criterion accurately and fairly to pick the winner. Our preferences are there but we should be as objective as possible.
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No, not at all. You simply have to apply the criterion accurately and fairly to pick the winner. Our preferences are there but we should be as objective as possible.
care to try and define the current IFBB standard criteria?
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care to try and define the current IFBB standard criteria?
Manion is the person to contact for this information. However, each of us should be able to judge the Mr Olympia independent of that criterion. It isn't as if once we know it that we will start doing things differently.
Over the last couple of decades two things have evolved to be the most important. Conditioning and how good the back plus glutes are developed/conditioned. The judges can assess who is really cut but it isn't
so easy to apply criterion such as proportions, shape and aesthetics to the process. Instead of transparency we now have individual scores hidden from everyone. They also have a system where they put down
judges who don't pick who everyone else is picking. After every Olympia winners feel they deserved the title. Yet, the debates continue about who should have won.
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Manion is the person to contact for this information. However, each of us should be able to judge the Mr Olympia independent of that criterion. It isn't as if once we know it that we will start doing things differently.
Over the last couple of decades two things have evolved to be the most important. Conditioning and how good the back plus glutes are developed/conditioned. The judges can assess who is really cut but it isn't
so easy to apply criterion such as proportions, shape and aesthetics to the process. Instead of transparency we now have individual scores hidden from everyone. They also have a system where they put down
judges who don't pick who everyone else is picking. After every Olympia winners feel they deserved the title. Yet, the debates continue about who should have won.
that information isnt in the public domain, it never has been,
https://www.ifbb.com/rules/
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Phil gets a lot of hate, as is evident by one of his recent video clips where he bluntly addresses the haters. The fact is, though, that Phil is the best bodybuilder in the World. People can hate him all they want but the judges have gotten it right.
Someone like Flex vs. Hadi vs. Jose is much closer because Flex has more weakpoints than Phil, particularly his back.
Hi Phil.
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that information isnt in the public domain, it never has been,
https://www.ifbb.com/rules/
What has evolved is the head judge picks the first call out and the judges know these are 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Easy enough to put the winner in the middle.
This method ensures that the judges don't err and are collectively consistent.