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Title: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 04, 2018, 06:05:44 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/career/15-signs-your-coworker-is-a-psychopath/ss-BBCqO4A?ocid=spartanntp#image=14


Read the signs and see if it doesn't remind you of someone you might know or see in the news like President Trump. This fits him to a T

Psychopaths see themselves as the center of the universe, according to Hare's article in Psychology Today. They are so important in their minds that they believe other people are just tools to be used.


Many people struggle with their self-esteem. Psychopaths, on the other hand, can be identified by their overabundance of confidence, according to Dr. William Hirstein on Psychology Today. Whether their boasting is subtle or obvious, beware the coworker that's always going on and on about how great they are.

Maybe there was some truth to "Pinocchio."
Once psychopaths start lying, they can't - and don't want to - stop.
Faas said that bullies have an "intellectual dishonesty that they knowingly revert to."
Unlike normal people, psychopaths don't care if their lie is found out because they can just lie again to cover it up, he says.

Psychopaths are notorious for flaunting societal norms and rules. Much like narcissists, they are so self-centered and cold hearted that they simply believe they can get away with terrible behavior, wrote Amy Morin, a licensed clinical social worker and psychotherapist, in an article published in Psychology Today.

Psychopaths are single-minded: They think only of themselves and what they want to accomplish - like a parasite.
"They're going to live their life and do and say and behave the way they want to behave without any consideration for others," Faas said.
He said psychopaths do whatever they want because they have such an inflated sense of self that they don't think the normal rules of life apply to them: "They feel they're immune to any criticism in terms of how they live their lifestyle, including harassing those they have command and control over."

Faas likes to say that psychopaths are masters of three things: manipulation, deflection, and deception, all of which help them keep "number one" - themselves - above water.
"They're very apt to accept credit for something when it goes right, but when something goes wrong, they look for a scape goat to deflect it to and take the blame," he said.

Psychopaths can effectively mimic emotional responses, writes Psychology Today's Dr. Scott Bonn. However, they cannot sincerely feel them. Most psychopaths are master manipulators - those around them don't realize their true nature until the damage is already done.

Even though psychopaths struggle to accomplish their own grandiose goals for themselves because they are bad planners, they expect others to rise to the occasion, according to Hare.
"Though the task may be impossible to do, psychopaths justify it because, in their limited view, it's a reasonable goal," Faas said.

he psychopathic tendency to not care about the consequences of their actions, no matter how badly they affect others, can be linked to their "remarkable ability to rationalize their behavior," according to Hare.
While their friends and family may be physically or emotionally hurt by the psychopath's actions, he or she will typically just deflect the blame with excuses or flat-out deny it.
Hare recalls one subject who stabbed someone, yet seemed to feel more sorry for himself.
"He spends a few months in hospital, and I rot here," Hare's subject told him.

Don't get fooled by the charming veneer. Hare writes in Psychology Today that psychopaths are incredibly short-tempered. The smallest thing can set them off into a rage. Watch out for the person who freaks out about everything in the office - no matter how minor.

Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Yamcha on January 05, 2018, 04:06:45 AM
mods please move this to the General Topics Board
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: loco on January 05, 2018, 06:01:10 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/career/15-signs-your-coworker-is-a-psychopath/ss-BBCqO4A?ocid=spartanntp#image=14


Read the signs and see if it doesn't remind you of someone you might know or see in the news

Psychopaths see themselves as the center of the universe, according to Hare's article in Psychology Today. They are so important in their minds that they believe other people are just tools to be used.


Many people struggle with their self-esteem. Psychopaths, on the other hand, can be identified by their overabundance of confidence, according to Dr. William Hirstein on Psychology Today. Whether their boasting is subtle or obvious, beware the coworker that's always going on and on about how great they are.

Maybe there was some truth to "Pinocchio."
Once psychopaths start lying, they can't - and don't want to - stop.
Faas said that bullies have an "intellectual dishonesty that they knowingly revert to."
Unlike normal people, psychopaths don't care if their lie is found out because they can just lie again to cover it up, he says.

Psychopaths are notorious for flaunting societal norms and rules. Much like narcissists, they are so self-centered and cold hearted that they simply believe they can get away with terrible behavior, wrote Amy Morin, a licensed clinical social worker and psychotherapist, in an article published in Psychology Today.

Psychopaths are single-minded: They think only of themselves and what they want to accomplish - like a parasite.
"They're going to live their life and do and say and behave the way they want to behave without any consideration for others," Faas said.
He said psychopaths do whatever they want because they have such an inflated sense of self that they don't think the normal rules of life apply to them: "They feel they're immune to any criticism in terms of how they live their lifestyle, including harassing those they have command and control over."

Faas likes to say that psychopaths are masters of three things: manipulation, deflection, and deception, all of which help them keep "number one" - themselves - above water.
"They're very apt to accept credit for something when it goes right, but when something goes wrong, they look for a scape goat to deflect it to and take the blame," he said.

Psychopaths can effectively mimic emotional responses, writes Psychology Today's Dr. Scott Bonn. However, they cannot sincerely feel them. Most psychopaths are master manipulators - those around them don't realize their true nature until the damage is already done.

Even though psychopaths struggle to accomplish their own grandiose goals for themselves because they are bad planners, they expect others to rise to the occasion, according to Hare.
"Though the task may be impossible to do, psychopaths justify it because, in their limited view, it's a reasonable goal," Faas said.

he psychopathic tendency to not care about the consequences of their actions, no matter how badly they affect others, can be linked to their "remarkable ability to rationalize their behavior," according to Hare.
While their friends and family may be physically or emotionally hurt by the psychopath's actions, he or she will typically just deflect the blame with excuses or flat-out deny it.
Hare recalls one subject who stabbed someone, yet seemed to feel more sorry for himself.
"He spends a few months in hospital, and I rot here," Hare's subject told him.

Don't get fooled by the charming veneer. Hare writes in Psychology Today that psychopaths are incredibly short-tempered. The smallest thing can set them off into a rage. Watch out for the person who freaks out about everything in the office - no matter how minor.



Please stop calling Straw Man a psychopath.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: ZeroPatience on January 05, 2018, 07:03:27 AM
^
What I was going to say.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 05, 2018, 12:55:30 PM
mods please move this to the General Topics Board

Fair enough, let me fix the post to fit this board
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: illuminati on January 05, 2018, 02:10:10 PM
The article & it’s parameters could fit virtually all politicians
And successfull people in any field

We see them characteristics over & over again everyday
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: QuietYou on January 05, 2018, 02:34:04 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/career/15-signs-your-coworker-is-a-psychopath/ss-BBCqO4A?ocid=spartanntp#image=14


Read the signs and see if it doesn't remind you of someone you might know or see in the news like President Trump. This fits him to a T

Psychopaths see themselves as the center of the universe, according to Hare's article in Psychology Today. They are so important in their minds that they believe other people are just tools to be used.


Many people struggle with their self-esteem. Psychopaths, on the other hand, can be identified by their overabundance of confidence, according to Dr. William Hirstein on Psychology Today. Whether their boasting is subtle or obvious, beware the coworker that's always going on and on about how great they are.

Maybe there was some truth to "Pinocchio."
Once psychopaths start lying, they can't - and don't want to - stop.
Faas said that bullies have an "intellectual dishonesty that they knowingly revert to."
Unlike normal people, psychopaths don't care if their lie is found out because they can just lie again to cover it up, he says.

Psychopaths are notorious for flaunting societal norms and rules. Much like narcissists, they are so self-centered and cold hearted that they simply believe they can get away with terrible behavior, wrote Amy Morin, a licensed clinical social worker and psychotherapist, in an article published in Psychology Today.

Psychopaths are single-minded: They think only of themselves and what they want to accomplish - like a parasite.
"They're going to live their life and do and say and behave the way they want to behave without any consideration for others," Faas said.
He said psychopaths do whatever they want because they have such an inflated sense of self that they don't think the normal rules of life apply to them: "They feel they're immune to any criticism in terms of how they live their lifestyle, including harassing those they have command and control over."

Faas likes to say that psychopaths are masters of three things: manipulation, deflection, and deception, all of which help them keep "number one" - themselves - above water.
"They're very apt to accept credit for something when it goes right, but when something goes wrong, they look for a scape goat to deflect it to and take the blame," he said.

Psychopaths can effectively mimic emotional responses, writes Psychology Today's Dr. Scott Bonn. However, they cannot sincerely feel them. Most psychopaths are master manipulators - those around them don't realize their true nature until the damage is already done.

Even though psychopaths struggle to accomplish their own grandiose goals for themselves because they are bad planners, they expect others to rise to the occasion, according to Hare.
"Though the task may be impossible to do, psychopaths justify it because, in their limited view, it's a reasonable goal," Faas said.

he psychopathic tendency to not care about the consequences of their actions, no matter how badly they affect others, can be linked to their "remarkable ability to rationalize their behavior," according to Hare.
While their friends and family may be physically or emotionally hurt by the psychopath's actions, he or she will typically just deflect the blame with excuses or flat-out deny it.
Hare recalls one subject who stabbed someone, yet seemed to feel more sorry for himself.
"He spends a few months in hospital, and I rot here," Hare's subject told him.

Don't get fooled by the charming veneer. Hare writes in Psychology Today that psychopaths are incredibly short-tempered. The smallest thing can set them off into a rage. Watch out for the person who freaks out about everything in the office - no matter how minor.



Trump has helped more minorities financially on his construction jobs than any other person that has ran for president in the history of the world, not just the United States. He was the first person in New York to put a female at the head of a building project worth over 50 million dollars. He essentially introduced women as head contractors on big jobs onto the mainstream and made it more norm.

"Psychopaths see themselves as the center of the universe, according to Hare's article in Psychology Today. They are so important in their minds that they believe other people are just tools to be used."

^^ Above is literally EVERY single person in today's society. Not just psychopaths. Between social media, gaming and readily available drugs delusion is at an all-time high. Everyone is living in their own version of insanity and the center of their own movie. Single millennials especially.


Bernie hasn't held a real job in his life. His net worth is extremely low. He couldn't generate any sort of wealth for himself. Hard to believe he'd be able to generate it on a grand scale for hundreds of millions of Americans. The economy is booming while Trump is in office. So terrible isn't it? What an evil person.

"they are so self-centered and cold hearted that they simply believe they can get away with terrible behavior"

So tell me what "Terrible behavior" Trump has exhibited? What, his butchered words from CNN that make him out to be a racist? When you clearly watch the videos of what he REALLY said about Mexican people, blacks etc it resembles nothing of what MSNBC or CNN is claiming he said. Or what, locker room talk that every single male friend of yours has talked about in their life? But because the media told you that it was wrong you have to believe it right?


I could go on and on. Face it Agnostic, you're stupid. Your political beliefs resemble those who don't like the competitive aspects of society that correlate directly to the success of people in America.

Get the eagle off of your profile picture. That represents America. And you support a party that openly shames it.





 
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Yamcha on January 05, 2018, 03:45:56 PM


Bernie hasn't held a real job in his life.


He used to be an author. That counts, right?  ;D
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2018, 09:04:51 AM
mods please move this to the General Topics Board

More like the Conspiracy Theories Board. 
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 08, 2018, 11:35:51 AM
More like the Conspiracy Theories Board. 

Ok, let me state up front I realize not everyone shares this observation and that's fine. I am intrigued by that fact in and of itself. For me, Trump is so obvious the classic sociopath that he could be an example for college classes. He hits on every single checkmark. Others like yourself don't see that he is. I find that fascinating just on a psychological level
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2018, 11:48:44 AM
Ok, let me state up front I realize not everyone shares this observation and that's fine. I am intrigued by that fact in and of itself. For me, Trump is so obvious the classic sociopath that he could be an example for college classes. He hits on every single checkmark. Others like yourself don't see that he is. I find that fascinating just on a psychological level

Classic sociopath?  What definition are you using?  Surely not this one:  "a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience."
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sociopath
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 08, 2018, 12:08:00 PM
 “The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:
glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility


Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2018, 12:22:38 PM
“The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:
glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility




You do realize there is a difference between a sociopath and a psychopath?  You started off calling Trump a "classic sociopath."  When I gave you the definition of sociopath, you provide some sort of checklist for psychopaths. 

But even if we are now talking about psychopaths, how many of the criteria that you posted does one have to meet to be considered a psychopath?

Ok.  I'll make it easy for you.  If you are now calling Trump a "classic psychopath" (not sociopath), what is his score?  From the place you presumably got your checklist:

When properly completed by a qualified professional, the PCL-R provides a total score that indicates how closely the test subject matches the "perfect" score that a classic or prototypical psychopath would rate. Each of the twenty items is given a score of 0, 1, or 2 based on how well it applies to the subject being tested. A prototypical psychopath would receive a maximum score of 40, while someone with absolutely no psychopathic traits or tendencies would receive a score of zero. A score of 30 or above qualifies a person for a diagnosis of psychopathy. People with no criminal backgrounds normally score around 5. Many non-psychopathic criminal offenders score around 22.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html#ixzz53cu6ypq5
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on January 08, 2018, 12:56:37 PM
This is just the latest narrative to attack Trump. The Russian thing is going nowhere. So, now they’re transitioning to “He’s crazy!!”

Yawn.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2018, 01:12:53 PM
This is just the latest narrative to attack Trump. The Russian thing is going nowhere. So, now they’re transitioning to “He’s crazy!!”

Yawn.

They alternate between the Russia conspiracy theory, he's a sexual abuser, and he's literally mentally unfit.  None of them work.  Anyone who thinks these kinds of attacks are going to doom him didn't pay attention to the 2016 election. 
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2018, 01:25:26 PM
Dershowitz: Speculation About Trump's Mental Health 'Very Dangerous'
By Sandy Fitzgerald    |   Monday, 08 Jan 2018
 
The speculation about President Donald Trump's mental status is "very dangerous," and the 25th Amendment was not made to be invoked when parties don't agree about a president's "emotional makeup," Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz said Monday.

"I have railed against the criminalization of political difference," Dershowitz told Fox News' "Fox & Friends" program.

"The psychiatrist-ization of political difference is much more dangerous. It's what they did in Russia, it's what they did in China, it's what they did in an apartheid South Africa. If you don't like a candidate, first lock them up. If you can't lock him up, commit him to a mental hospital."

Yale Professor Bandy Lee earlier this month briefed several congressional Democrats and one Republican earlier this month over her concerns over the president's mental state, and Dershowitz said her comments that he is dangerous and may need to be restrained from action are in themselves dangerous.

"Imagine how dangerous that would be, and you know, psychiatrists are notoriously bad at predicting violence," said Dershowitz.

"Remember, what they are looking at are things they knew about since he was elected president," Dershowitz added. "I didn't like what I saw necessarily so I did what you do in a democracy, you vote for the candidate you prefer, I preferred Hillary Clinton. I knew about her, I knew about him. I made a balanced judgment. You don't lock them up. You don't put them in mental hospitals if you don't agree with them. So dangerous to democracy."

Meanwhile, the 25th Amendment is designed to be used to remove a president who is incapacitated.

"[It] is designed for when somebody has a stroke or somebody is unconscious, perhaps what happened when President [Woodrow] Wilson was president," said Dershowitz. "He had a serious stroke. It's not designed for differences about a person's emotional makeup."


In addition, Dershowitz said that politically, the 25th Amendment likely would not be invoked as the vice president would have to do that, and if the president disputed the matter, then it would have to be voted for by two thirds of both houses of congress.

"It would happen only if any president, I'm not talking about a particular one, had a major psychotic break," said Dershowitz. "Look, we once had a secretary of defense his name is [James] Forrestal, he jumped out of the window of the Walter Reed Center. He thought the communists were coming after him."

"Oh, by the way, one of the things [Lee] talks about that's a symptom of his mental illness is that he recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel," said Dershowitz. "So did the majority of the Senate and majority of the House and so did I support that. Am I getting locked up next?"

Dershowitz on Monday also talked about the importance of allowing dissent on college campuses.

"There aren't enough college professors who stand up for the right of dissent," he said. "The students are doing it. They are doing a great job. They are not getting the support of the faculty or administrators."

The way to solve the issue is to fight back, Dershowitz added, while blaming college administrators for the unrest.

"I will tell you it's the administrators who don't have the courage to stand up to these students because they know these students could make their lives miserable," he said.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/alan-dershowitz-speculation-donald-trump-mental-health/2018/01/08/id/835780/
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Thin Lizzy on January 08, 2018, 01:49:11 PM
They alternate between the Russia conspiracy theory, he's a sexual abuser, and he's literally mentally unfit.  None of them work.  Anyone who thinks these kinds of attacks are going to doom him didn't pay attention to the 2016 election.  

With midterm elections coming up, the mainstream media water carriers are just trying to sway independent voters over to the Democrats. It’s the old “throw as much spaghetti as possible up against the wall and see what sticks” strategy. It’s really their only option as the Democrats have nothing else to offer besides “Trump sucks.”
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2018, 02:27:30 PM
With midterm elections coming up, the mainstream media water carriers are just trying to sway independent voters over to the Democrats. It’s the old “throw as much spaghetti as possible up against the wall and see what sticks” strategy. It’s really their only option as the Democrats have nothing else to offer besides “Trump sucks.”

True. 
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 08, 2018, 03:26:50 PM
You do realize there is a difference between a sociopath and a psychopath?  You started off calling Trump a "classic sociopath."  When I gave you the definition of sociopath, you provide some sort of checklist for psychopaths.  

But even if we are now talking about psychopaths, how many of the criteria that you posted does one have to meet to be considered a psychopath?

Ok.  I'll make it easy for you.  If you are now calling Trump a "classic psychopath" (not sociopath), what is his score?  From the place you presumably got your checklist:

When properly completed by a qualified professional, the PCL-R provides a total score that indicates how closely the test subject matches the "perfect" score that a classic or prototypical psychopath would rate. Each of the twenty items is given a score of 0, 1, or 2 based on how well it applies to the subject being tested. A prototypical psychopath would receive a maximum score of 40, while someone with absolutely no psychopathic traits or tendencies would receive a score of zero. A score of 30 or above qualifies a person for a diagnosis of psychopathy. People with no criminal backgrounds normally score around 5. Many non-psychopathic criminal offenders score around 22.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html#ixzz53cu6ypq5

according to some of the professionals, there is no difference, it can be used interchangeably. Some say there are slight differences like sociopath may have a small conscious though weak, it exist and they can have personal attachments, a psychopath has no such thing and has no attachments. Those are about it. so for the sake of this board, it doesn't matter   
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Yamcha on January 08, 2018, 04:30:33 PM
according to some of the professionals,

like all those "professionals" who were saying that Clinton would win in a landslide?
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Dos Equis on January 08, 2018, 06:15:45 PM
according to some of the professionals, there is no difference, it can be used interchangeably. Some say there are slight differences like sociopath may have a small conscious though weak, it exist and they can have personal attachments, a psychopath has no such thing and has no attachments. Those are about it. so for the sake of this board, it doesn't matter   

Ok.  For sake of discussion, let's assume they are the same.  You say Trump is a "classic sociopath."  What is his score based on the criteria you posted? 
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 08, 2018, 09:24:17 PM
Ok.  For sake of discussion, let's assume they are the same.  You say Trump is a "classic sociopath."  What is his score based on the criteria you posted? 

solid 40
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Dos Equis on January 09, 2018, 07:29:25 AM
solid 40

What numbers did you assign to each part of the criteria? 
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Sexybeast777 on January 09, 2018, 07:42:03 AM
Trump is not a psychopath, he has a heart of gold
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 09, 2018, 05:47:42 PM
Trump is not a psychopath, he has a heart of gold

I stand corrected
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: illuminati on January 09, 2018, 05:57:40 PM
solid 40

And what would your score for your Angel Killary be ??


60+
 :)
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 09, 2018, 06:01:52 PM
And what would your score for your Angel Killary be ??


60+
 :)


I'd have to look at the list again. I'm sure she would have some points, I don't believe it would be as high though. Marriages, sexual escapades are probably a little less than the Trumpster
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: James on January 10, 2018, 08:15:54 AM


Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: illuminati on January 10, 2018, 01:30:04 PM
I'd have to look at the list again. I'm sure she would have some points, I don't believe it would be as high though. Marriages, sexual escapades are probably a little less than the Trumpster

You probably right about the Marriages.
Sexual escapades a plenty ( or so we hear - Lesbian)

On everything else she gets top marks & extra
Makes her a Grade ‘A’Psychopath

If so what the Supposed Problem with trump ?
Is one Psychopath better than the other one......
If so The Better one was Elected.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 10, 2018, 02:50:23 PM
You probably right about the Marriages.
Sexual escapades a plenty ( or so we hear - Lesbian)

On everything else she gets top marks & extra
Makes her a Grade ‘A’Psychopath

If so what the Supposed Problem with trump ?
Is one Psychopath better than the other one......
If so The Better one was Elected.


We can always disagree on which lesser evil was elected. If Hillary were elected I would be on here as well when she openly lied or made decisions or said things I thought were inappropriate, dangerous or ludicrous. It just so happens its Trump in the seat.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: illuminati on January 10, 2018, 03:08:26 PM
We can always disagree on which lesser evil was elected. If Hillary were elected I would be on here as well when she openly lied or made decisions or said things I thought were inappropriate, dangerous or ludicrous. It just so happens its Trump in the seat.


Ok - i’ll Take your word on that - had she been elected.

Though without going through a whole other list of know things
She’s done - I don’t rightly recall you calling her on them.

No matter - she ( Thankfully isn’t TPOTUS )

Ps - I’ve Not yet found a copy of that book over here.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Las Vegas on January 10, 2018, 03:10:57 PM
We can always disagree on which lesser evil was elected. If Hillary were elected I would be on here as well when she openly lied or made decisions or said things I thought were inappropriate, dangerous or ludicrous. It just so happens its Trump in the seat.

Isn't it true, though, that at the initial point of reading about it (anything in question) and thinking about it for yourself, that you'd be more inclined to find reason to explain it, when it comes to Hillary, than otherwise?  And isn't it true it would influence what you post, here?
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Las Vegas on January 10, 2018, 03:28:50 PM
I don't blame you as an individual, since you're just following what you see.  You're doing what everyone else does.

And Trump's given his enemies every opening imaginable.  Maybe some think it's funny, or a great way to go... but it's not.  He'd be much stronger without fully-armed enemies on his ass all the time. 

Right now, he inflames and divides for no legitimate reason.  Just as the MSM (he claims to dislike) has specialized in for decades.  Why doesn't he take a better path?  He's supposed to lead.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 10, 2018, 03:43:42 PM

Ok - i’ll Take your word on that - had she been elected.

Though without going through a whole other list of know things
She’s done - I don’t rightly recall you calling her on them.

No matter - she ( Thankfully isn’t TPOTUS )

Ps - I’ve Not yet found a copy of that book over here.

Don't even bother. As soon as I get it from son I'll mail it to you.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: SF1900 on January 10, 2018, 05:41:22 PM
It's really "Anti-Social Personality Disorder."

DSM-V criteria

A. Significant impairments in personality functioning manifest by:

    1. Impairments in self functioning (a or b):

        a.Identity: Ego-centrism; self-esteem derived from personal gain, power, or pleasure.
        b.Self-direction: Goal-setting based on personal gratification; absence of prosocial internal standards associated with failure to conform to lawful or culturally normative ethical behavior.

AND

    2. Impairments in interpersonal functioning (a or b):

        a.Empathy: Lack of concern for feelings, needs, or suffering of others; lack of remorse after hurting or mistreating another.
        b.Intimacy: Incapacity for mutually intimate relationships, as exploitation is a primary means of relating to others, including by deceit and coercion; use of dominance or intimidation to control others.

B. Pathological personality traits in the following domains:

    1. Antagonism, characterized by:

        a.Manipulativeness: Frequent use of subterfuge to influence or control others; use of seduction, charm, glibness, or ingratiation to achieve one's ends.
        b.Deceitfulness: Dishonesty and fraudulence; misrepresentation of self; embellishment or fabrication when relating events.
        c. Callousness: Lack of concern for feelings or problems of others; lack of guilt or remorse about the negative or harmful effects of one's actions on others; aggression; sadism.
        d. Hostility: Persistent or frequent angry feelings; anger or irritability in response to minor slights and insults; mean, nasty, or vengeful behavior.

    2. Disinhibition, characterized by:

        a. Irresponsibility: Disregard for – and failure to honor – financial and other obligations or commitments; lack of respect for – and lack of follow through on agreements and promises.
        b. Impulsivity: Acting on the spur of the moment in response to immediate stimuli; acting on a momentary basis without a plan or consideration of outcomes; difficulty establishing and following plans.
        c.Risk taking: Engagement in dangerous, risky, and potentially self-damaging activities, unnecessarily and without regard for consequences; boredom proneness and thoughtless initiation of activities to counter boredom; lack of concern for one's limitations and denial of the reality of personal danger.

C. The impairments in personality functioning and the individual's personality trait expression are relatively stable across time and consistent across situations.

D. The impairments in personality functioning and the individual's personality trait expression are not better understood as normative for the individual's developmental stage or sociocultural environment.

E. The impairments in personality functioning and the individual's personality trait expression are not solely due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., severe head trauma).

F. The individual is at least age 18 years.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 10, 2018, 08:04:39 PM
I withdraw all my anti trump statements. I just heard him declare that his meeting was so impressive yesterday and that he did so well, anchors sent him letters telling him how awesome he was.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Dos Equis on January 10, 2018, 09:46:27 PM
I withdraw all my anti trump statements. I just heard him declare that his meeting was so impressive yesterday and that he did so well, anchors sent him letters telling him how awesome he was.

Or you could explain how you came up with a "solid 40" using the psychopath criteria you posted. 
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 10, 2018, 11:11:27 PM
“The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:
glib and superficial charm 2
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self 3
need for stimulation 3
pathological lying 3
cunning and manipulativeness 1
lack of remorse or guilt 3
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness) 3
callousness and lack of empathy 3
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls 3
sexual promiscuity 3
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals 1
impulsivity 3
irresponsibility 3
failure to accept responsibility for own actions 3
many short-term marital relationships 3
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility

Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Dos Equis on January 11, 2018, 09:03:34 AM
“The twenty traits assessed by the PCL-R score are:
glib and superficial charm 2
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self 3
need for stimulation 3
pathological lying 3
cunning and manipulativeness 1
lack of remorse or guilt 3
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness) 3
callousness and lack of empathy 3
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls 3
sexual promiscuity 3
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals 1
impulsivity 3
irresponsibility 3
failure to accept responsibility for own actions 3
many short-term marital relationships 3
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility



From the link where you got this info: 

When properly completed by a qualified professional, the PCL-R provides a total score that indicates how closely the test subject matches the "perfect" score that a classic or prototypical psychopath would rate. Each of the twenty items is given a score of 0, 1, or 2 based on how well it applies to the subject being tested. A prototypical psychopath would receive a maximum score of 40, while someone with absolutely no psychopathic traits or tendencies would receive a score of zero. A score of 30 or above qualifies a person for a diagnosis of psychopathy. People with no criminal backgrounds normally score around 5. Many non-psychopathic criminal offenders score around 22.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html#ixzz53cu6ypq5

You assigned 3 to 12 items. 

Also, there are problems with several of the items where you assigned numbers, but the one that jumped out at me as "many short-term marital relationships." He has had one short-term marriage (Marla Maples from 93-99).  He was married to Ivana for 15 years and has been married to Melania for 13 years.   
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 11, 2018, 10:43:50 AM
From the link where you got this info: 

When properly completed by a qualified professional, the PCL-R provides a total score that indicates how closely the test subject matches the "perfect" score that a classic or prototypical psychopath would rate. Each of the twenty items is given a score of 0, 1, or 2 based on how well it applies to the subject being tested. A prototypical psychopath would receive a maximum score of 40, while someone with absolutely no psychopathic traits or tendencies would receive a score of zero. A score of 30 or above qualifies a person for a diagnosis of psychopathy. People with no criminal backgrounds normally score around 5. Many non-psychopathic criminal offenders score around 22.

http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Hare-Psychopathy-Checklist.html#ixzz53cu6ypq5

You assigned 3 to 12 items. 

Also, there are problems with several of the items where you assigned numbers, but the one that jumped out at me as "many short-term marital relationships." He has had one short-term marriage (Marla Maples from 93-99).  He was married to Ivana for 15 years and has been married to Melania for 13 years.   

Valid observation. At 70 years old, the amount of times he has been married should be factored in with age. The time span of each marriage is subjective, what is short term? But yeah, you could drop that number.
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Agnostic007 on January 11, 2018, 02:08:44 PM
Trump administration plans to expand mental-health coverage to veterans, aiming to curb suicides in the period shortly after people leave military service, when they are considered most vulnerable, officials said Tuesday.
President Donald Trump signed an executive order at the White House calling on various cabinet secretaries to devise a program within 60 days that will provide access to mental-health treatment and suicide prevention in the year after service members depart the military.

Good job Trump!
Title: Re: interesting article on psychopaths.
Post by: Yamcha on January 11, 2018, 04:33:49 PM
Trump administration plans to expand mental-health coverage to veterans, aiming to curb suicides in the period shortly after people leave military service, when they are considered most vulnerable, officials said Tuesday.
President Donald Trump signed an executive order at the White House calling on various cabinet secretaries to devise a program within 60 days that will provide access to mental-health treatment and suicide prevention in the year after service members depart the military.

Good job Trump!

 ;D

Trump to let states pursue Medicaid work requirements (http://archive.is/UPECD)