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I told my doctor I needed to lose about 15-18 pounds I gained in five months by being a disgusting fat body with no willpower. He suggested this for a month. Any of y'all ever use it? What were the results? Sides etc.
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I told my doctor I needed to lose about 15-18 pounds I gained in five months by being a disgusting fat body with no willpower. He suggested this for a month. Any of y'all ever use it? What were the results? Sides etc.
heard its hard core and it works
why not try hard core keto first? then fasted cardio? fasting ?
ive seen people dont well on fat burners -including me too
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Just eat less after about 7 pm. Going to bed mildly hungry willlead to a weight loss of 1-3 pounds a week, depending on your activity level. Stay away from weight loss drugs.
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Never used phentermine.
Used to use Hydroxycut.
What about this Lipozene nonsense?
I must see that ad on television ten times a day.
Rodney Peete and his wife Holly Robinson.
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Getting jittery and nervous to lose weight with something that might have withdrawals sounds like a bad deal. How about going hungry every day and increasing cardio?
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Got 2 caps from a client back in 03 to try thinking it'd be like ephedrine for pre workout... Took it at about 2-3pm, anticipating it kicking in around 4 to train... 4pm comes and goes, nothing.. 5pm nothing.. 6pm train anyways, with no ripped fuel just in case it actually kicked in.. Nothing... Zero appetite and zero "stimulation", however I was laying in bed all night, wide awake till 7am. Exhausted all day the next day.
I've had clients who've used it for years straight however. Usually ladies 50+ who were impossible to work with diet-wise who couldn't understand thyroid down-regulation and thought 2 salads a day would "work", despite making no progress in years.
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Had it prescribed back in the 90's. I can remember not having any urge to eat at all. Could go all day without thinking about eating.
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Ask Basile how to get slim + 18' muscular arms ;D
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Got 2 caps from a client back in 03 to try thinking it'd be like ephedrine for pre workout... Took it at about 2-3pm, anticipating it kicking in around 4 to train... 4pm comes and goes, nothing.. 5pm nothing.. 6pm train anyways, with no ripped fuel just in case it actually kicked in.. Nothing... Zero appetite and zero "stimulation", however I was laying in bed all night, wide awake till 7am. Exhausted all day the next day.
I've had clients who've used it for years straight however. Usually ladies 50+ who were impossible to work with diet-wise who couldn't understand thyroid down-regulation and thought 2 salads a day would "work", despite making no progress in years.
anyone eating 2 salads a day for years will be slim, regardless of your thyroid down -regulation theories.
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anyone eating 2 salads a day for years will be slim, regardless of your thyroid down -regulation theories.
Slim :o they’re probably more likely Dead....
2 salads a day for years.... ::)
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anyone eating 2 salads a day for years will be slim, regardless of your thyroid down -regulation theories.
Of course, coming from someone who's NEVER (all inclusive, including diet) trained anybody, much less had clients get bloodwork on specific things to gauge "progress(lack thereof ) from people who I know ate 2 chicken salads and maybe 1/2 a "chicken wrap", whatever the funk that is, and saw the Thyroid zfunction Results, amongst other things. ..... All things you have never done.
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Of course, coming from someone who's NEVER (all inclusive, including diet) trained anybody, much less had clients get bloodwork on specific things to gauge "progress(lack thereof ) from people who I know ate 2 chicken salads and maybe 1/2 a "chicken wrap", whatever the funk that is, and saw the Thyroid zfunction Results, amongst other things. ..... All things you have never done.
you have never provided evidence you have ever trained anyone either, don't forget that...
Your instagram has zero posts from anyone thanking you for PT or diet advice, not a single fucking one, why is that?
If someone helped me I would personally thank them and recommend them, you, zero, nadda, fucking ziltch.
Maybe its because you have never trained anyone, or that its because they just are all ungrateful fuckers, which is it?
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heard its hard core and it works
why not try hard core keto first? then fasted cardio? fasting ?
ive seen people dont well on fat burners -including me too
I have no self control when it comes to food. Seriously, I'm like Brad Pitt in Oceans Eleven. Every time you see me I'm snacking. It's never been a huge problem before but now I'm creeping on late thirties and I'm slowing down. I went from 236 to 253 since October. You can't really tell but I can. It's all in my waist. My pants are so tight I'm getting reflux. :-\
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I have no self control when it comes to food. Seriously, I'm like Brad Pitt in Oceans Eleven. Every time you see me I'm snacking. It's never been a huge problem before but now I'm creeping on late thirties and I'm slowing down. I went from 236 to 253 since October. You can't really tell but I can. It's all in my waist. My pants are so tight I'm getting reflux. :-\
Why not try
ephedrine
Clenbuterol
Thyroxine ( small amounts)
On there own or in different combinations
Cardio morning / evening
Types of food you’re eating
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Got 2 caps from a client back in 03 to try thinking it'd be like ephedrine for pre workout... Took it at about 2-3pm, anticipating it kicking in around 4 to train... 4pm comes and goes, nothing.. 5pm nothing.. 6pm train anyways, with no ripped fuel just in case it actually kicked in.. Nothing... Zero appetite and zero "stimulation", however I was laying in bed all night, wide awake till 7am. Exhausted all day the next day.
I've had clients who've used it for years straight however. Usually ladies 50+ who were impossible to work with diet-wise who couldn't understand thyroid down-regulation and thought 2 salads a day would "work", despite making no progress in years.
Who was your client ? El Chapo ?
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Day 3. This shit is like adderal without having any of the good side effects like euphoria and energy, although I'm not sleeping well. I'm going to give it a week and see what the results are before I decide whether or not to finish the month. I could literally not eat all day though. It's weird.
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I drink so much damn hot caffeine teas - peppermint etc etc
kills my desire to eat
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you have never provided evidence you have ever trained anyone either, don't forget that...
Your instagram has zero posts from anyone thanking you for PT or diet advice, not a single fucking one, why is that?
If someone helped me I would personally thank them and recommend them, you, zero, nadda, fucking ziltch.
Maybe its because you have never trained anyone, or that its because they just are all ungrateful fuckers, which is it?
My god, it's like you have a learning disability or something... Oh wait, you do. It's like I have to explain this shit to you at least3x a month. You really think I only have 1 IG? LoL ... Like I'm gonna have training clients on the only page you know of, where I post not only about steroids, drug traffickers(borderland beat), etc... But also inappropriate sexual shit. You think I'm gonna have any clients associated with that account? Especially with their jobs/careers? You fucking dunce. I have to spell it out for you every time because I truly believe your autism prevents you from comprehending.
Much less will I risk exposing them to some of the mentally ill human garbage here, yourself included.
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My god, it's like you have a learning disability or something... Oh wait, you do. It's like I have to explain this shit to you at least3x a month. You really think I only have 1 IG? LoL ... Like I'm gonna have training clients on the only page you know of, where I post not only about steroids, drug traffickers(borderland beat), etc... But also inappropriate sexual shit. You think I'm gonna have any clients associated with that account? Especially with their jobs/careers? You fucking dunce. I have to spell it out for you every time because I truly believe your autism prevents you from comprehending.
Much less will I risk exposing them to some of the mentally ill human garbage here, yourself included.
You are not a personal trainer, you are a drunken pill head with no prospects relying on daddy to bail you out.
Give it up FFS.
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Phentermine in my experience is the best drug to lose weight out of any listed, nothing comes close. If your willing to deal with the side effects, mostly headache, cant sleep, always can try drugs to counter those two sides. Got to eat though on it, its easy to forget, not care for food.
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Day 3. This shit is like adderal without having any of the good side effects like euphoria and energy, although I'm not sleeping well. I'm going to give it a week and see what the results are before I decide whether or not to finish the month. I could literally not eat all day though. It's weird.
If you stay on it you'll most likely lose tons of weight in a month, i would believe heavy nyquil on empty stomach to sleep would help.
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Phentermine in my experience is the best drug to lose weight out of any listed, nothing comes close. If your willing to deal with the side effects, mostly headache, cant sleep, always can try drugs to counter those two sides. Got to eat though on it, its easy to forget, not care for food.
I've probably only consumed 1200 calories today and I'm not hungry. Ate a scone for breakfast, tuna and rice for lunch (320 cal) and some veggies and pork for dinner. I only ate lunch out of boredom. My back does hurt a bit, not sure if that is a side or not.
I heard not to drink coffee while taking it but I drink coffee in the morning out of habit. I haven't noticed any of the real bad sides people talk about other than the sweating and restless sleep. I'll keep on it this month and see where it takes me.
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I just use caffeine from coffee and tea.
I may use an energy drink on the days I train back and legs during heavy (mass) training cycles.
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I've probably only consumed 1200 calories today and I'm not hungry. Ate a scone for breakfast, tuna and rice for lunch (320 cal) and some veggies and pork for dinner. I only ate lunch out of boredom. My back does hurt a bit, not sure if that is a side or not.
I heard not to drink coffee while taking it but I drink coffee in the morning out of habit. I haven't noticed any of the real bad sides people talk about other than the sweating and restless sleep. I'll keep on it this month and see where it takes me.
yeah sounds like you'll get really good results, you could try naproxem for the back soreness. Are you noticing any results yet? If you combine it with cardio it works even faster. I know its such a weird feeling to not be hungry crave food at all. Also i already mentioned you could try nyquil big dose for sleep or just ask your doc to perscribe a sleeping pill.
Im surprised this weight loss drug isnt brought up that much not sure why.
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Never used phentermine.
Used to use Hydroxycut.
What about this Lipozene nonsense?
I must see that ad on television ten times a day.
Rodney Peete and his wife Holly Robinson.
phentermine is much stronger than those listed above.
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You are not a personal trainer, you are a drunken pill head with no prospects relying on daddy to bail you out.
Give it up FFS.
Been a pt & sn for 18yrs now, dunce.
Haven't been "drunk" since Nov 1st 2016.
And "pill head"? Bwahahahaha what the fuck pills am I gonna take that are strong enough to do anything? Lol you ignorant little autistic man-boy who's days comprise of making up lies about me and misquoting me and NEVER posting the quote of mine where you claim I said whatever you claim I did.
And bail out? I sat my whole 6weeks, idiot. I've never bailed out. First 2 there was no bail. Book and release and call an uber. 3rd one I sat.
Fuck, what a pathetic life you lead for a "man" in his mid 50s. Your autism explains EVERYTHING. Can't believe it took me this long to realize it... However I don't sit and think about you all day the way you do me.
Lol @ your "wife" leaving on a drunken cruise for a month without you. Hahahahaa... You think Go4it pulled out? Maybe she paid him extra to do so.
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Been a pt & sn for 18yrs now, dunce.
Haven't been "drunk" since Nov 1st 2016.
And "pill head"? Bwahahahaha what the fuck pills am I gonna take that are strong enough to do anything? Lol you ignorant little autistic man-boy who's days comprise of making up lies about me and misquoting me and NEVER posting the quote of mine where you claim I said whatever you claim I did.
And bail out? I sat my whole 6weeks, idiot. I've never bailed out. First 2 there was no bail. Book and release and call an uber. 3rd one I sat.
Fuck, what a pathetic life you lead for a "man" in his mid 50s. Your autism explains EVERYTHING. Can't believe it took me this long to realize it... However I don't sit and think about you all day the way you do me.
Lol @ your "wife" leaving on a drunken cruise for a month without you. Hahahahaa... You think Go4it pulled out? Maybe she paid him extra to do so.
You keep saying you are a PT doesnt make it any more true....
And if pills dont work why were you trying to buy some just last week?
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listen to our resident stock trader, medical expert, Atlas Shrugged skimmer high iq expert on everything Eric Hogie talk on this video from his youtube channel. A near 40 year old man posting a vid of him playing tough guy and in the end sounding like an absolute fucking moron with his slow stutter speech and inability to construct a sentence. Gee and he wonders why people question what he says?
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LOL at your dad leaving your mom for another man. Go ahead, deny it, let me plaster the proof all over the place
Brad Hogie and Rodger Jarabek make a nice couple for the last 20 years after multiple relocations now reside in Cathedral City and have a sweet pool in the back yard.
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Waiting for the reply to this one.
Hurry up ESF
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Waiting for the reply to this one.
Hurry up ESF
This has been on Vince's forum Musclemayhem for a while. It goes pretty in depth.
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I told my doctor I needed to lose about 15-18 pounds I gained in five months by being a disgusting fat body with no willpower. He suggested this for a month. Any of y'all ever use it? What were the results? Sides etc.
So you lose the weight with a drug.
Then what? Are you going to magically develop willpower to keep it off?
You have the financial means to eat well and make the time to exercise.
Everything else is just an excuse.
The long game is to fix the habits now that will cause you real problems in the future.
In essence, cut the shit, eat less, and move more.
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You keep saying you are a PT doesnt make it any more true....
And if pills dont work why were you trying to buy some just last week?
Because a girl needed 20 nolva tabs and I don't carry tabs. Acting dumb again, as if you didn't read where I explained this already.
Wtf would I be discussing narcs/recs with a phone # in song recognize genius. You keep trying spool hard to twist things into what you want them to be.
Besides, ffs, there's more than a handful of people here who've offered oxys in exchange for AAS,& even CA medical weed... At cheap prices. Why wouldn't I ever take them up on it? Autistic mind at work again.
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This thread is about Irongrip400lbs losing weight.
Fuck off with the rest of the shit.
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So you lose the weight with a drug.
Then what? Are you going to magically develop willpower to keep it off?
You have the financial means to eat well and make the time to exercise.
Everything else is just an excuse.
The long game is to fix the habits now that will cause you real problems in the future.
In essence, cut the shit, eat less, and move more.
Phentermine will really get him were he wants to get fast, just like steriods are a shortcut for some people. Yes once he comes off it if he wants to keep the weight off then he needs a diet change from his previous diet.
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So you lose the weight with a drug.
Then what? Are you going to magically develop willpower to keep it off?
Hopefully
You have the financial means to eat well and make the time to exercise.
Yes and no
Everything else is just an excuse.
You're right
The long game is to fix the habits now that will cause you real problems in the future.
I hope that's what happens
In essence, cut the shit, eat less, and move more.
Yes sir!
See above answers. I'm a disgusting fat body with no willpower
This thread is about Irongrip400lbs losing weight.
Fuck off with the rest of the shit.
I hate you...
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Phentermine will really get him were he wants to get fast, just like steriods are a shortcut for some people. Yes once he comes off it if he wants to keep the weight off then he needs a diet change from his previous diet.
How much weight and what will the results look like? Will I be jiggly and soft? There is some muscle under the flub. I'm hoping for dnp type results, because it sure makes me feel like shit.
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why are people hating on him trying to lose weight? this forum is filled with people obssesing over guys injecting ml's of anabolic steriods to look "cool" he sounds like he would just like to be at a healthy bmi.
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BRONKAID 4 LIFE
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How much weight and what will the results look like? Will I be jiggly and soft? There is some muscle under the flub. I'm hoping for dnp type results, because it sure makes me feel like shit.
are you exercising along with taking it or have you built a base of natural muscle before depends. DNP is very bad for you i would never suggest using it ever.
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Phentermine is a very old school diet drug. It was once described to me best as "female ritalin". It was popular in the 60s and 70s with women as an appetite suppressant. It works. Will give you energy and focus.
It has been slowly making a comeback over the last few years here with the antiaging and beauty clinics. The "rage" now are phentermine lollipops. Some are single dose, but the original ones were hard packed like a jaw breaker on a stick. You only "savored" it for 5-10 minutes until the feeling passed before putting it away. Which would seem to indicate the best use for them so you get a steady intake during the day and not a big dose all at once like with the caps or tabs. I never tried it myself but have heard that the taste was stranger and no matter what flavor it was, it tasted as though it was mixed with Windex.
Pure hoodia is supposed to work as well. If you get a legit product. And it is legal too.
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See above answers. I'm a disgusting fat body with no willpower
I hate you...
;D ;D ;D ;D
You just need to substitute some foods that work for that lack of willpower. I can snack like a champion as well, but lately my thing has been roasted vegetables. Twice a week I oven roast two trays full - broccoli / carrots / beets / cauliflower and brussel sprouts with olive oil / salt / garlic.
In addition to adding them to meals, sometimes when I'm hungry I just eat them with siraccha or something. Takes away the cravings.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
You just need to substitute some foods that work for that lack of willpower. I can snack like a champion as well, but lately my thing has been roasted vegetables. Twice a week I oven roast two trays full - broccoli / carrots / beets / cauliflower and brussel sprouts with olive oil / salt / garlic.
In addition to adding them to meals, sometimes when I'm hungry I just eat them with siraccha or something. Takes away the cravings.
I am all in with every single one of those vegetables. Except beets. I just can't get on board with those little purple bastards.
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I am all in with every single one of those vegetables. Except beets. I just can't get on board with those little purple bastards.
Yeah man, those are an acquired taste.
I was also unaware of one of their side effects. Thought I was going to the hospital after I saw what was in the shitter before flushing.
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Duromine very effective as an appetite suppressant, seen it used in Venice years ago quietly even when there was ephedrine around. Very long half life, made me feel like I've had too much caffeine didn't like it, at least with the old ephedrine stack precontest it gave you a boost for a few hours then you went flat,so sleep was okay. duromine can really effect your sleep and it cant be healthy elevating your heart rate continuously, you need to take it really early to have any chance of sleep that night, at least in my limited experience
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are you exercising along with taking it or have you built a base of natural muscle before depends. DNP is very bad for you i would never suggest using it ever.
I am exercising with it. My question, does the weight loss only come from lack of eating or is there some thermogenic affect? I am more sweaty than usual but with no energy boost. I actually feel a bit burnt out because of lack of sleep/not sleeping well but it's not like I am energized. It's really weird. My dose is 37.5mg daily.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
You just need to substitute some foods that work for that lack of willpower. I can snack like a champion as well, but lately my thing has been roasted vegetables. Twice a week I oven roast two trays full - broccoli / carrots / beets / cauliflower and brussel sprouts with olive oil / salt / garlic.
In addition to adding them to meals, sometimes when I'm hungry I just eat them with siraccha or something. Takes away the cravings.
to kill cravings
pickles
brush your teeth
chew gum
hot caffeine free herbal tea
cigarette - just kidding!
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BRONKAID 4 LIFE
I just noticed bronkaid is ephedrine sulfate. For some reason I had always thought bronkaid was ephedrine hydrochloride, and the primatene tablets were ephedrine sulfate. Maybe they made a change recently or within the past year or so and I just didn't notice?(I sell them, very rarely take any. If i do its only a 1/2 and always before noon. Kills my already shitty appetite)
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I told my doctor I needed to lose about 15-18 pounds I gained in five months by being a disgusting fat body with no willpower. He suggested this for a month. Any of y'all ever use it? What were the results? Sides etc.
As long as you don't have any cardiovasular problems, it works like amphed's so you'll burn off the fat if you use it for a month. I would however try Double Tap Powder from Redcon1. Excellent set of ingredients and its a very strong appetite suppressant.
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I just noticed bronkaid is ephedrine sulfate. For some reason I had always thought bronkaid was ephedrine hydrochloride, and the primatene tablets were ephedrine sulfate. Maybe they made a change recently or within the past year or so and I just didn't notice?(I sell them, very rarely take any. If i do its only a 1/2 and always before noon. Kills my already shitty appetite)
Didn't have any problems with appetite in hospital when all the food was free....
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As long as you don't have any cardiovasular problems, it works like amphed's so you'll burn off the fat if you use it for a month. I would however try Double Tap Powder from Redcon1. Excellent set of ingredients and its a very strong appetite suppressant.
Your shop is down at the moment. You sell it there right?
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I am exercising with it. My question, does the weight loss only come from lack of eating or is there some thermogenic affect? I am more sweaty than usual but with no energy boost. I actually feel a bit burnt out because of lack of sleep/not sleeping well but it's not like I am energized. It's really weird. My dose is 37.5mg daily.
I am not sure about it's thermogenic effect, all I know is when I was on it I saw veins muscles I never seen before, I lost weight fast, took the fastin brand name in morning on empty stomach could sleep with nyquil or rx sleeping pill. Not sure what dose I took guessing two pills in am.
It never made me energized, I think it's a psycho stimulant. Suppose to help break down stored fat as well like those hard to lose fat storage whereever that is depends on the person.
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Just because I had it handy, Duchaine's thoughts on Phentermine -
THE PHENTERMINES
Fastin and Ionamin are both phentermines. Fastin (phenterminehydrochloride) is a 30 mg capsule that has a duration of 10 to 12 hours. Ionamin (phentermine resin) supposedly lasts longer and has a milder effect.
I mention the phentermines for a number of reasons. Ionamin (regular is 15 mg; "forte" is 30 mg) is the anorectic of choice for European bodybuilders. Fastin, for some reason, is the number one choice for American bodybuilders. As anorectics go, they both have an acceptable balance of effectiveness and side effects.
The phentermines have recently been mentioned in the mainstream press, as noted obesity specialists are now vigorously (and this is unusual) advocating a long-term therapy of one of the phentermines during the day and Pondimin during the evening hours. Obese patients have had significant fat loss with this combination when all other traditional methods have failed.
The mechanism behind anorectics' action is still somewhat unexplained. Users of these drugs lose more weight than would be predicted from a simple absence of calories. Some of it is excess heat production caused by adrenergic stimulation. However, there is a further mystery calorie debit that is not accounted for. Some postulate that the missing calories are due to increased glucose uptake in the brain. I don't advocate any anorectics besides Pondimin. However, some athletes diet for a living, and hundreds of thousands of dollars can depend on as little as 5 pounds of extra body fat.
The diet battle takes place at the refrigerator and pantry door. As the nutritionist-coach is out of sight most of the time, anorectics are necessary tools. Are these winners "fuck-ups"? History and the engraved trophy will never tell.
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Fastin -
Fastin is an appetite suppressant and central nervous system (CNS) stimulant that also causes mild thermogenesis by stimulating systemic noradrenaline. This drug was very popular with bodybuilders in years past. All versions of Fastin are supposed to be timed-release, but the trade name and the generics seem to have different results. "Real" Fastin works gradually and evenly. All of the generics I tried peaked quickly and didn't last as long. You can feel the effects of Fastin for 8 to 10 hours; the generics only last for 6 hours.
Like all CNS stimulants, Fastin reduces fatigue, which can lead to overtraining. Cessation of use causes mental and physical depression. Recently, scientists have become interested in Fastin as an under-prescribed drug for the obese.
Ionamin -
Ionamin is the other appetite suppressant in the phentermine family. While Fastin has been the diet pill of choice for bodybuilders in America, Ionamin is the anorectic most often used by European athletes. Most athletes prefer the 30 mg size,called "forte" (strong) in Europe. Ionamin is supposed to be milder and work longer than Fastin. However, most athletes familiar with both say that Fastin has a harder and longer "kick" and Ionamin has a gentler and shorter activity. Some people who get too jittery on Fastin can tolerate Ionamin better. Ionamin has the usual side effects and dependency problems of prescription anorectics.
Pondimin -
I usually don't comment positively on diet pills. Even the milder ones mask fatigue too well and lead unwary athletes into overtraining. In addition, athletes who use caffeine, ephedrine and clenbuterol don't need another upper thrown into the mix. However, Pondimin is so different and fills a need so well that I think it's a worthwhile dieting drug. Pondimin is an appetite suppressant that is not a stimulant. In fact, it has a slight depressive effect. Many dieters control appetite during the day with ephedrine and clenbuterol, but you can't use stimulants at night. Pondimin is perfect for night use because it significantly dulls your appetite while allowing you to sleep. Because Pondimin does not cause euphoria, the potential for abuse is quite low. I have tried both tablets and the capsules, and I prefer the capsules.
Pondimin (fenfluramine) is available in America in 20 mg tablets, and in 75 mg capsules and a transdermal patch in Europe. Pondimin is unique because it is not a central nervous system stimulant. All of the other appetite suppressants try to mimic the action of amphetamine.
Daytime appetite is usually not the problem. By keeping busy and using thermogenic drugs like ephedrine and clenbuterol, appetite is reasonably controlled during the day. Because you must time the dosages of thermogenic drugs to wear off by evening (so you can sleep), they can't help you at night.
The elegance of Pondimin is that it is a central nervous system depressant. Pondimin will not keep you awake at night quite the opposite. In addition, research has not shown it to have the dependence hazards of the other anorectics. Most American bodybuilders don't use Pondimin while dieting because they are unfamiliar with its unique properties and American MDs are usually hesitant to prescribe such a drug to an obviously non-overweight person. In Europe, the capsules are extremely popular, used at night after taking thermogenic drugs during the day.
I don't have as many nice things to say about the other anorectics. All of the other prescription anorectics are derivatives
of the "gold standard" of the anorectics, amphetamine, which is a popular street drug. Amphetamine is still an FDA approved
drug, but is quite restricted because it's Schedule II. All of the lesser anorectics try to generate the same appetite suppression
without the extreme side effects of amphetamine.
The problem with these stimulants is that you are so, well, stimulated - euphoric, energetic and without fatigue. People don't use them infrequently as they should, but constantly, until they are physically and mentally exhausted. When you stop using these anorectics, you crash, becoming overwhelmingly tired, lethargic and depressed. You feel like a zombie for at least 2 weeks, and frequently more.
These dramatic side effects are not a mystery, but are certainly hard to control. Even the most educated, savvy and rational athlete will overtrain while on these diet drugs. If you are using them with ephedrine and clenbuterol, the hazards of elevated blood pressure and heart rate are compounded.
That's more or less his chapter on Phenthermine and related stuff.
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^^^^^^^^^
Very interesting
Thanks for posting that up
It comes From which of Dan’s books
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BodyOpus.
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Thanks
He was well ahead of the game & his time.
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It’s pretty similar to aderall.
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Stopped taking/didn't take it yesterday and had a decent sleep last night. I haven't taken it today either and will probably stop altogether. While it totally killed my appetite and I lost 7 pounds in 10 or so days, the hazy feeling it gave me sucked too bad. I'm not sure if the haze was from lack of sleep or if the medication contributed to it, but it was pretty unbearable. I may cycle it back on for 10 days once off for 10 or something just to get rid of the script but I can't see how anyone can take this shit for any period of time.
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I believe it was the fenfluamine that was putting holes in peoples hearts or something,& was taken off market.
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Stopped taking/didn't take it yesterday and had a decent sleep last night. I haven't taken it today either and will probably stop altogether. While it totally killed my appetite and I lost 7 pounds in 10 or so days, the hazy feeling it gave me sucked too bad. I'm not sure if the haze was from lack of sleep or if the medication contributed to it, but it was pretty unbearable. I may cycle it back on for 10 days once off for 10 or something just to get rid of the script but I can't see how anyone can take this shit for any period of time.
its hard, sides suck, but the results speak for themselves.
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fen phen combo of these two drugs was doing that correct, phentermine by itself is not considered dangerous.
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Stopped taking/didn't take it yesterday and had a decent sleep last night. I haven't taken it today either and will probably stop altogether. While it totally killed my appetite and I lost 7 pounds in 10 or so days, the hazy feeling it gave me sucked too bad. I'm not sure if the haze was from lack of sleep or if the medication contributed to it, but it was pretty unbearable. I may cycle it back on for 10 days once off for 10 or something just to get rid of the script but I can't see how anyone can take this shit for any period of time.
I think you'll find you don't need to take it for more than a few days anyway. At least it's been my experience that the first 3 days of reduced caloric intake suck, which is what the pills can help you get through. After 3 days, I usually don't have food cravings anyway and can eat what I need to eat without risk of making bad choices or over eating. If you fall of the wagon for social events or vacations, start the pills again for a few days and repeat.