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I read some post sometime ago... really are there any purpose of taking 2 month hgh cycle? 5-6iu a day
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I did that and it was not worth it. my proplem was that I hit a wall about two years ago and totally lost interest in bodybuilding 2 months in on my growth cycle. was planning 6 months/ I was a bit fuller but it was definitely nothing special. was 5ius per day
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I read some post sometime ago... really are there any purpose of taking 2 month hgh cycle? 5-6iu a day
Totally a waste of money! Must use hgh for at least 6 months to see any real benefits.
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Reason i ask im going on vacation to poland.. not sure if i should take hgh with me.. i started 16. Days ago.. im using 10iu a day.. but lower to 8iu today.. 10iu is too much.
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Not sure where you’re traveling from but don’t get caught bringing illegal drugs across borders. Not worth it. Maybe ship it to your destination via FedEx. A short cycle has no benefit. Hgh is for the long game
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Not sure where you’re traveling from but don’t get caught bringing illegal drugs across borders. Not worth it. Maybe ship it to your destination via FedEx. A short cycle has no benefit. Hgh is for the long game
Hgh ie not illegal drug ? You think its a bad thing to be busted with it in polish airport
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Totally a waste of money! Must use hgh for at least 6 months to see any real benefits.
Surely you jest?
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hgh should be run all the time for optimal results. You can blast and cruise depending on test slin. 6 months min.
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Im going to poland for 5 days.. im not comfertable taking with me gear.. you think its bad stop pinning hgh for 5 days ?
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6 months min.
Six months minimum for what?
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Six months minimum for what?
to get some benfits from the elevated igf1 from the gh administration?
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Im going to poland for 5 days.. im not comfertable taking with me gear.. you think its bad stop pinning hgh for 5 days ?
no 5 days is nothing. your igf will stay strong no worries.
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to get some benfits from the elevated igf1 from the gh administration?
Negative, during fat loss phases, the lipolytic stimulation occurs within minutes and lasts for hours (assuming one stays fasted).
During growth phases, autocrine IGF-1 mRNA expression in skeletal muscle tissues becomes elevated within 30-60 minutes and can stay elevated for over 24 hours following a single bolus dose.
So, these "must wait six months" posts really just strike me as parroting of information that was likely started by folks many years ago with nefarious intent behind their posts.
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Negative, during fat loss phases, the lipolytic stimulation occurs within minutes and lasts for hours (assuming one stays fasted).
During growth phases, autocrine IGF-1 mRNA expression in skeletal muscle tissues becomes elevated within 30-60 minutes and can stay elevated for over 24 hours following a single bolus dose.
So, these "must wait six months" posts really just strike me as parroting of information that was likely started by folks many years ago with nefarious intent behind their posts.
you faggotron... use some gh and see if you notice elevated bone mass in 30-60 minutes.
6 months is where the magic starts. people with experience know. I am gh for 4 years non stop. I know my shit.
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How long does one need to run for fat loss benefits? I was thinking of starting 4IU/day.
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How long does one need to run for fat loss benefits? I was thinking of starting 4IU/day.
2-3 is also an option provided diet and cardio are on point. 3-5 IU ED for life is my suggestion to everybody with test.
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you faggotron... use some gh and see if you notice elevated bone mass in 30-60 minutes.
6 months is where the magic starts. people with experience know. I am gh for 4 years non stop. I know my shit.
Yes, because elevated bone mass is what we are after. Before trying to pull rank, you might want to understand who you are replying to.
The "effects" of FDA approved GH occur nearly instantaneously, with cosmetic changes and glycogen supercompensation occurring within 24 hours of "fast hitting" brands such as Serostim and Saizen (mammalian cell derived).
Those from the E.coli family (e.g. Humatrope, Genotropin, Omnitrope, and Norditropin) tend to be a little more mild however you can still see changes within 72 hours of first injection.
If one is trying to set some imaginary timeline for when the GH "toggle switch" turns on months down the road, they are likely either being disingenuous or simply repeating what others have said on message boards over the years.
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Yes, because elevated bone mass is what we are after. Before trying to pull rank, you might want to understand who you are replying to.
The "effects" of FDA approved GH occur nearly instantaneously, with cosmetic changes and glycogen supercompensation occurring within 24 hours of "fast hitting" brands such as Serostim and Saizen (mammalian cell derived).
Those from the E.coli family (e.g. Humatrope, Genotropin, Omnitrope, and Norditropin) tend to be a little more mild however you can still see changes within 72 hours of first injection.
If one is trying to set some imaginary timeline for when the GH "toggle switch" turns on months down the road, they are likely either being disingenuous or simply repeating what others have said on message boards over the years.
to whom am i replying to? Should i get worried? the results of the processes you are mentioning are noticeable in 5-6 months... I got noticeable self induced acromegaly, which is pretty nice.
It takes time. it is obvious it starts working when it enters your system.... duh...
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to whom am i replying to? Should i get worried? the results of the processes you are mentioning are noticeable in 5-6 months... I got noticeable self induced acromegaly, which is pretty nice.
It takes time. it is obvious it starts working when it enters your system.... duh...
Worried? No, that wasn't a threat - more that when you speak in a dismissive tone to someone, you may want to understand there are folks who have done considerable research and have published articles on the topic.
So perhaps we have a battle of semantics here? If one says "you need to wait six months to see the effects of GH" that tells me that nothing will occur between day one and months six. Please provide me with clarity if my assumption here is not accurate.
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Worried? No, that wasn't a threat - more that when you speak in a dismissive tone to someone, you may want to understand there are folks who have done considerable research and have published articles on the topic.
So perhaps we have a battle of semantics here? If one says "you need to wait six months to see the effects of GH" that tells me that nothing will occur between day one and months six. Please provide me with clarity if my assumption here is not accurate.
What i meant was that there is no point in running it below 6 months, because then it starts to shine. In the meanwhile there will be benefits, tons of them, but bodybuildingwise- there is no point in spending so much cash if you are not in it for the longer run with gh.
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What i meant was that there is no point in running it below 6 months, because then it starts to shine. In the meanwhile there will be benefits, tons of them, but bodybuildingwise- there is no point in spending so much cash if you are not in it for the longer run with gh.
I have 700 units, im wondering how high i should go..
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I have 700 units, im wondering how high i should go..
whats your goal?
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whats your goal?
Growing bigger and being leaner.. i also bought t4.. currently taking 100mcg ED.. been reading it is kind of a must to use it along with hgh.. you have any opinion pn that
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What i meant was that there is no point in running it below 6 months, because then it starts to shine. In the meanwhile there will be benefits, tons of them, but bodybuildingwise- there is no point in spending so much cash if you are not in it for the longer run with gh.
I still cannot get behind the sentiment that there is "no point in running it below six months". Given two bodybuilders, all things being equal, give one GH for a month and they will be progressively ahead of the bodybuilder who was not using GH.
This is true in both fat loss and hypertrophy phases.
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I think short HGH cycle can be incredibly effective... if you are using insulin with it.
I plan on doing 6iu of generics with 10iu of fast acting insulin pre workout for 6 weeks.
With tren ace and a TRT dose of test.
Never used HGH or slin before and dont want to spend the money on running GH year round
Also i dont think a low dose of chinese growth will do anything anyway...
Its clear to me that GH without slin is a great addition to any cycle. But without slin you arent getting worth your money.
My 2 cents...
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@heenok
No doubt about it. And when adding insulin to a GH+AAS cycle, you do increase hypertrophy potential as well. But hypertrophy takes time and there very may well be a "ceiling effect" as far as how much tissue growth can occur over a given period of time.
So, perhaps folks who are stuck on this "must use GH for six months" kick may be getting stuck on semantics? Just making up numbers here but let's say the maximum amount of hypertrophy one can accrue in a week on AAS only is 100%. Adding GH puts that number to 105% and adding GH/insulin puts it at 120%.
So some may look at that and say, "hey you are only getting an extra five percent by using GH so that is a waste of money if you are only using it for a few weeks". Conversely, others may look at it the other way and say "holy shit, an extra five percent is awesome!". But it isn't like you wake up one day, six months after starting GH, and unlock an achievement or something. Such an arbitrary timeframe as well...
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I think you also have to consider personal response to hgh. I feel like that can vary quite a bit, which is why some people think that it takes longer to see the effects, because they simply don't get the same level of effects as others.
When i started using hgh i noticed the effects almost immediately. Within the first month i was actually sort of blown away. I was hooked every since that first month. It's almost as if i could "feel" that my igf1 was through the roof. I've been on AAS only for a few years prior to that so i'm very well aware of the sensations of my body and how i normally react and feel. It was an overall good feeling. At 26 days i tested my igf1 at almost 500 on 3ius a day. I was happy with that number considering the dose.
I know of many people who run pharma grade and simply can't seem to get their IGF1 very high. Now i dont know exactly if the IGF1 is a true dictator of whether your going to get good results but it's something to consider.
I think some people just simply don't respond as well to hgh based on their anecdotal evidence as well as reviewing bloodwork.
I could be wrong though. I would love to hear from Chestrockwell. I've read some of your articles and many of your posts. Would like to hear your opinion on whether this may be the case.
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I could be wrong though. I would love to hear from Chestrockwell. I've read some of your articles and many of your posts. Would like to hear your opinion on whether this may be the case.
You certainly make good points, particular with regard to response. As with all exogenous hormones, there are going to be a wide range of responses. Why is this? Well, there are numerous reasons and it could be related to the actual ligand-based receptor, efficiency of nuclear translocation (polymorphisms), or even differences in gene transcription (signaling pathway efficiency).
Then there are a whole heap of non-hormonal variables such as the quality of the product being used, the protocol used, how one's lifestyle variables are controlled (diet/training/sleep/etc). This is why folks who follow me identify pretty quickly that I use a lot of "it depends" and rarely provide "one size fits all" anecdotes.
I know of many people who run pharma grade and simply can't seem to get their IGF1 very high. Now i dont know exactly if the IGF1 is a true dictator of whether your going to get good results but it's something to consider.
To a degree, yes. My current belief is that elevation of endocrine IGF-1 is inevitable, but trying to "limit" it could be a key factor. One of the reasons I believe this is that there is some pretty compelling evidence that chronically elevated endocrine IGF-1 levels may be a negative feedback regulator upon autocrine IGF-1 (which is more important to hypertrophy machinery).
One way to do this is by designing your GH protocol in such a way that it mimics endogenous pharmacokinetics, as best as we can (obviously serum GH will remain elevated much longer when using rHGH).
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Growing bigger and being leaner.. i also bought t4.. currently taking 100mcg ED.. been reading it is kind of a must to use it along with hgh.. you have any opinion pn that
I dont fuck with thyroid hormones too risky for my goals. Have no experience so, you decide for yourself.
Imo if your idea is to be big a lean stay on gh and test all year. and blast with tren (u decide) var 50 mg - 100MG ED +increased test (e,g cruise 200-400 mg EW, blast 800 mg -1g EW) +increased hgh (4-5 IUED cruise, 8-10 IU ED blast). ofc AI will have to be increased during blasts.
Diet should be big on protein and calories.
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You certainly make good points, particular with regard to response. As with all exogenous hormones, there are going to be a wide range of responses. Why is this? Well, there are numerous reasons and it could be related to the actual ligand-based receptor, efficiency of nuclear translocation (polymorphisms), or even differences in gene transcription (signaling pathway efficiency).
Then there are a whole heap of non-hormonal variables such as the quality of the product being used, the protocol used, how one's lifestyle variables are controlled (diet/training/sleep/etc). This is why folks who follow me identify pretty quickly that I use a lot of "it depends" and rarely provide "one size fits all" anecdotes.
To a degree, yes. My current belief is that elevation of endocrine IGF-1 is inevitable, but trying to "limit" it could be a key factor. One of the reasons I believe this is that there is some pretty compelling evidence that chronically elevated endocrine IGF-1 levels may be a negative feedback regulator upon autocrine IGF-1 (which is more important to hypertrophy machinery).
One way to do this is by designing your GH protocol in such a way that it mimics endogenous pharmacokinetics, as best as we can (obviously serum GH will remain elevated much longer when using rHGH).
Gimick alert. In studies with dwarf children around 8% get immune to gh and dont get elevated igf
most do, again small% are hyper responsive.
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I still cannot get behind the sentiment that there is "no point in running it below six months". Given two bodybuilders, all things being equal, give one GH for a month and they will be progressively ahead of the bodybuilder who was not using GH.
This is true in both fat loss and hypertrophy phases.
GH is always beneficial, but it is not worth it if you cannot run it most of the time a year.
thats my 2 cents.
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Gimick alert. In studies with dwarf children around 8% get immune to gh and dont get elevated igf
most do, again small% are hyper responsive.
I don't know what "gimmick alert" means?
But back to your "point", I don't see how this is in any way relevant to what we are discussing. We are on a bodybuilding board so how or why would those with endocrine disorders be relevant to any of the points being discussed? I also believe you may be referring to Laron Syndrome dwarfs, and they are GH insensitive due to an actual mutation in the growth hormone receptor. So again, not relevant to an otherwise healthy individual...
GH is always beneficial, but it is not worth it if you cannot run it most of the time a year.
thats my 2 cents.
Okay, this is encouraging, you've switched from a blanket statement earlier in the thread of "GH only shines at the six month mark" to "GH is always beneficial".
It sounds as if you are more concerned with the financial aspects (e.g. "not worth it") than the actual metabolic effects.
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HGH is usefull for fatloss or bodyfat?
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You certainly make good points, particular with regard to response. As with all exogenous hormones, there are going to be a wide range of responses. Why is this? Well, there are numerous reasons and it could be related to the actual ligand-based receptor, efficiency of nuclear translocation (polymorphisms), or even differences in gene transcription (signaling pathway efficiency).
Then there are a whole heap of non-hormonal variables such as the quality of the product being used, the protocol used, how one's lifestyle variables are controlled (diet/training/sleep/etc). This is why folks who follow me identify pretty quickly that I use a lot of "it depends" and rarely provide "one size fits all" anecdotes.
To a degree, yes. My current belief is that elevation of endocrine IGF-1 is inevitable, but trying to "limit" it could be a key factor. One of the reasons I believe this is that there is some pretty compelling evidence that chronically elevated endocrine IGF-1 levels may be a negative feedback regulator upon autocrine IGF-1 (which is more important to hypertrophy machinery).
One way to do this is by designing your GH protocol in such a way that it mimics endogenous pharmacokinetics, as best as we can (obviously serum GH will remain elevated much longer when using rHGH).
Thank you for your response. I'm interested in this. If it's not too difficult would you mind explaining how to go about doing this?
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I don't know what "gimmick alert" means?
But back to your "point", I don't see how this is in any way relevant to what we are discussing. We are on a bodybuilding board so how or why would those with endocrine disorders be relevant to any of the points being discussed? I also believe you may be referring to Laron Syndrome dwarfs, and they are GH insensitive due to an actual mutation in the growth hormone receptor. So again, not relevant to an otherwise healthy individual...
Okay, this is encouraging, you've switched from a blanket statement earlier in the thread of "GH only shines at the six month mark" to "GH is always beneficial".
It sounds as if you are more concerned with the financial aspects (e.g. "not worth it") than the actual metabolic effects.
lol trolling hard brother? you are writing a lot of bull u know?
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Thank you for your response. I'm interested in this. If it's not too difficult would you mind explaining how to go about doing this?
I go into this in a LOT of depth on my "GH and Hypertrophy" article. I'm not sure if posting links is allowed so just Google it if you want the deep-dive.
High level, to elicit maximal hypertrophy-related effects from GH you likely want to "micro-dose" your GH multiple times per day, allowing serum GH to peak and trough before peaking again. Depending on your daily GH allotment, there are numerous ways this can be done.
lol trolling hard brother? you are writing a lot of bull u know?
No, I actually don't know? You have not demonstrated even a basic understanding of growth hormone so far in this thread, however if you spot any "bull" in any of my posts please be clear what you are referring to so we can address it.
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I go into this in a LOT of depth on my "GH and Hypertrophy" article. I'm not sure if posting links is allowed so just Google it if you want the deep-dive.
High level, to elicit maximal hypertrophy-related effects from GH you likely want to "micro-dose" your GH multiple times per day, allowing serum GH to peak and trough before peaking again. Depending on your daily GH allotment, there are numerous ways this can be done.
No, I actually don't know? You have not demonstrated even a basic understanding of growth hormone so far in this thread, however if you spot any "bull" in any of my posts please be clear what you are referring to so we can address it.
OK, so if i administer 4.5 IU ED, how is the optimal way to do it. 10 times 0.45 IU thats kind of bull shit. I have tried pinning more time and i dont see shit difference.
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OK, so if i administer 4.5 IU ED, how is the optimal way to do it. 10 times 0.45 IU thats kind of bull shit. I have tried pinning more time and i dont see shit difference.
Yes, injecting ten times does not make for a fun day, I agree with you on that. What we do know is that in vitro experiments demonstrate maximal autocrine IGF-1 mRNA expression in skeletal muscle tissue can be elicited with small amounts of GH (around 1IU).
There are many factors beyond IGF-1 mRNA expression when discussing maximizing hypertrophy, however this can be a good benchmark. Ideally, using 1-2IUs in each muscle (assuming you are injecting into a muscle group with a pair such as arms, delts, pecs, etc) 2-3 times per day can be a very effective protocol. These injections should be spaced out at least 4-6 hours, if possible.
As you said, we are talking about minor differences here and trying to compare hypertrophy response to differing protocols can often be splitting hairs. So, when I mention these types of protocols, these are certainly not required, however they can be ideal for those looking to absolutely maximize response.
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Chest, Do you recommend sub Q or IM? I think i even recall you mentioning IV but we'll leave that off the table. Thanks.
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Chest, Do you recommend sub Q or IM? I think i even recall you mentioning IV but we'll leave that off the table. Thanks.
They each have a slightly differing pharmacokinetic profile, and so they each have their own potential use cases.
Because subcutaneous has a slightly elongated elevation in serum GH, I tend to recommend this for those who are using GH as part of a fat loss protocol. The elevations in serum GH drive lipolysis while in a fasted state...
Intramuscular injections may be preferred by those using GH as part of a growth protocol, and we've been discussing some of the reasons in this very thread.
Although IV would most closely mimic endogenous pharmacokinetics, this is not something I personally recommend.
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I believe dave on rx said its about 6 month lag time to see results from gh. This kinda makes doing 12 wk gh cycles getting ready for contest preps pointless.... I don't agree or disagree
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I believe dave on rx said its about 6 month lag time to see results from gh. This kinda makes doing 12 wk gh cycles getting ready for contest preps pointless.... I don't agree or disagree
As we've been discussing, this arbitrary "lag time" has no actual support. And, we also must take into account why someone might benefit from telling people this...
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As we've been discussing, this arbitrary "lag time" has no actual support. And, we also must take into account why someone might benefit from telling people this...
I agree. I feel GH works immediately, and the effects can be felt within days. Increased fullness, pump, etc. As far as someone benefiting from telling people this, my guess is they are selling bunk GH, so they tell everyone it takes months to notice it, which is false.
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They each have a slightly differing pharmacokinetic profile, and so they each have their own potential use cases.
Please point us in the direction of the PK profiles and use cases you refer to. I’m sure we ALL would enjoy seeing how the LADME schemes differ... I presume mostly in absorption and metabolism, but anyway should be interesting....
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Please point us in the direction of the PK profiles and use cases you refer to. I’m sure we ALL would enjoy seeing how the LADME schemes differ... I presume mostly in absorption and metabolism, but anyway should be interesting....
Snarky much?
I have this referenced (with actual screenshots) in my published GH and Fat Loss article. Again, I don't know if posting links is allowed so just Google it.
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Snarky much?
I have this referenced (with actual screenshots) in my published GH and Fat Loss article. Again, I don't know if posting links is allowed so just Google it.
Not trying to be snide at all... I was serious! Most interesting to me personally would be the PK profiles for Hgh administered IM. All the PK profiles I’ve seen have been only based on SubQ, so I am interested to see how the two profiles differ. I’ve never administered my hgh IM... always SubQ as I am of the belief the benefits are more systemic that way....
Anyway, will do on the Google search.
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Anyway, will do on the Google search.
Let me know if you have any trouble finding it and I can PM you the link. One of the cooler studies I referenced actually shows the difference in high/low dose GH administration via SC and IM routes (in both men and women too!)...
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Let me know if you have any trouble finding it and I can PM you the link. One of the cooler studies I referenced actually shows the difference in high/low dose GH administration via SC and IM routes (in both men and women too!)...
Just read one of your articles on thinksteroids.com... good stuff! I found some PK profiles years ago when i was deciding which HGH to take - It was between Genotropin and Norditropin at the time. Everything was SC that I read, so I chose Norditropin via SC... I just like the PK profile a bit better... Genotropin seemed to spike faster, but drop off faster as well, while both seemed to maintain elevated IGF-1 over time. Now im runnnig Serostim, which is nice and I am positive is pharma-legit, but its nothing compared to pharma Norditropin.
Anyway, good reads... thanks!
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Just read one of your articles on thinksteroids.com... good stuff! I found some PK profiles years ago when i was deciding which HGH to take - It was between Genotropin and Norditropin at the time. Everything was SC that I read, so I chose Norditropin via SC... I just like the PK profile a bit better... Genotropin seemed to spike faster, but drop off faster as well, while both seemed to maintain elevated IGF-1 over time. Now im runnnig Serostim, which is nice and I am positive is pharma-legit, but its nothing compared to pharma Norditropin.
Anyway, good reads... thanks!
You bet, I'm glad you enjoyed it! I don't think I've ever actually come across a study that compared pharmacokinetic data on different (traditional) rHGH brands. That would be interesting considering many claim they experience vastly different responses from brand to brand (not something I have noticed myself).
I've always suspected it may have something to do with folks' response to either:
a) fillers and/or preservatives in the vial
b) recombinant technology used (there are essentially two "families" of FDA approved rHGH)
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all i see is 2 guys with 50 post jerking each other off...
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all i see is 2 guys with 50 post jerking each other off...
Another solid contribution to the topic at hand, kudos Sir.
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sorry, was just jealoux of your vast knowledge sir. I try envy not to take the best off me... but i failed.
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all i see is 2 guys with 50 post jerking each other off...
How dare you Sir!!!! I have never and will never partake in frottage of any kind!!!!
I am completely offended that you would ever think my penis is game for being fondled by another man!
This is complete rubbish! I am actually in tears as I write this.....
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6 months to see results from gh!!!?? no way in hell... id say three weeks.... on a good dose you should be more full, more round, skin will look better, you will sleep better... the 6 month thing is regurgitated bro science... as far as splitting doses.. ive never noticed a difference in effectiveness personally.. just get it in ya and itll do its job..
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6 months to see results from gh!!!?? no way in hell... id say three weeks.... on a good dose you should be more full, more round, skin will look better, you will sleep better... the 6 month thing is regurgitated bro science... as far as splitting doses.. ive never noticed a difference in effectiveness personally.. just get it in ya and itll do its job..
So your saying hyperplasia is accomplished by using HGH for only 3 weeks? Wrong! Fat burning effects, overall well being, recovery ....yes, you are correct! Hyperplasia effects noticed in three weeks... dont think so buddy.
Splitting up large doses throughout the day is common - for example when cortisol levels are highest in the body AM and 6 hours later (Afternoon).
If taking 2-4u, then pinning it in the AM is better than spreading it throughout the day. 6u and above, most folks split the dosage and pin throughout the day.
Ive done both, and prefer splitting it up.
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So your saying hyperplasia is accomplished by using HGH for only 3 weeks?
I would be careful, as GH-mediated hyperplasia is nothing more than a hypothesis, at best. What I've written in the past...
Conversely, hyperplasia is the process by which an increase in skeletal muscle mass is achieved via an increase in the actual number of muscle fibers. It is generally accepted that, in humans, the number of fibers within skeletal muscle is genetically predetermined and fixed during the perinatal period [5]. There have been a handful of animal studies that have demonstrated that hyperplasia can occur [6-7], often under unique test conditions, but trying to infer from this that it occurs in humans [8-9] is highly speculative at best. Even if hyperplasia does occur in human muscle, it is very likely only a minor factor in the overall mass gaining picture and I’m not planning on spending a lot of time on it here. However, due to how often definitive claims are made that GH causes hyperplasia, it is worth reiterating that these types of statements should be seen as nothing more than speculative.
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Well, I take HGH for the IGF-1 benefits... which does induce hypertrophy. Perhaps I should have left hyperplasia out of the conversation.
Fat burning and recovery benefits are great as well.
One thing is for sure, after three weeks of using HGH I wasn’t all of a sudden 20 pounds of lean mass heavier!
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Well, I take HGH for the IGF-1 benefits... which does induce hypertrophy. Perhaps I should have left hyperplasia out of the conversation.
Fat burning and recovery benefits are great as well.
One thing is for sure, after three weeks of using HGH I wasn’t all of a sudden 20 pounds of lean mass heavier!
Agreed, GH tends to shine brightest when used as a lipolytic agent, of course there are FAR more cost effective tools at our disposal.
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So your saying hyperplasia is accomplished by using HGH for only 3 weeks? Wrong! Fat burning effects, overall well being, recovery ....yes, you are correct! Hyperplasia effects noticed in three weeks... dont think so buddy.
Splitting up large doses throughout the day is common - for example when cortisol levels are highest in the body AM and 6 hours later (Afternoon).
If taking 2-4u, then pinning it in the AM is better than spreading it throughout the day. 6u and above, most folks split the dosage and pin throughout the day.
Ive done both, and prefer splitting it up.
so more round and more full equals muscle growth or hyperplasia to you?? enlighten me please.. never said muscle growth.. if you want muscle growth, use gh with insulin and not by itself.
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So your saying hyperplasia is accomplished by using HGH for only 3 weeks? Wrong! Fat burning effects, overall well being, recovery ....yes, you are correct! Hyperplasia effects noticed in three weeks... dont think so buddy.
Splitting up large doses throughout the day is common - for example when cortisol levels are highest in the body AM and 6 hours later (Afternoon).
If taking 2-4u, then pinning it in the AM is better than spreading it throughout the day. 6u and above, most folks split the dosage and pin throughout the day.
Ive done both, and prefer splitting it up.
is that seriously what you read in his post?
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I would be careful, as GH-mediated hyperplasia is nothing more than a hypothesis, at best. What I've written in the past...
Conversely, hyperplasia is the process by which an increase in skeletal muscle mass is achieved via an increase in the actual number of muscle fibers. It is generally accepted that, in humans, the number of fibers within skeletal muscle is genetically predetermined and fixed during the perinatal period [5]. There have been a handful of animal studies that have demonstrated that hyperplasia can occur [6-7], often under unique test conditions, but trying to infer from this that it occurs in humans [8-9] is highly speculative at best. Even if hyperplasia does occur in human muscle, it is very likely only a minor factor in the overall mass gaining picture and I’m not planning on spending a lot of time on it here. However, due to how often definitive claims are made that GH causes hyperplasia, it is worth reiterating that these types of statements should be seen as nothing more than speculative.
Interesting.
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if you want muscle growth, use gh with insulin and not by itself.
I think you are completely wrong when saying insulin with hgh has anything to do with protein anabolism or muscle growth.... it categorically does not! Insulin transports nutrients, and most of those are carbohydrates because that’s what insulin works with (glucose receptors)! Insulin is not anabolic.
You take insulin with hgh so that you don’t end up killing your fucking pancreas with high doses of hgh.. why? Because hgh causes insulin resistance and the higher the dose, the worse it is. So to counteract that negative effect, while saving your pancreas, you take insulin.
Hgh in and of itself also has nothing to do with muscle growth... it’s the conversion to IGF-1 that does that!
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Hgh in and of itself also has nothing to do with muscle growth... it’s the conversion to IGF-1 that does that!
Well, not exactly. I do agree with you that conversion to IGF-1, and specifically autocrine IGF-1, has a lot to do with GH-mediated anabolism, but we can not entirely discount the handful of secondary GH-specific effects.
So, although it is true every trial in the history of scientific literature shows that GH administration leads to zero hypertrophy, there are several characteristics it possesses (non-IGF-mediated) which enhance AAS-mediated hypertrophy processes.
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I think you are completely wrong when saying insulin with hgh has anything to do with protein anabolism or muscle growth.... it categorically does not! Insulin transports nutrients, and most of those are carbohydrates because that’s what insulin works with (glucose receptors)! Insulin is not anabolic.
You take insulin with hgh so that you don’t end up killing your fucking pancreas with high doses of hgh.. why? Because hgh causes insulin resistance and the higher the dose, the worse it is. So to counteract that negative effect, while saving your pancreas, you take insulin.
Hgh in and of itself also has nothing to do with muscle growth... it’s the conversion to IGF-1 that does that!
Im on 8iu a day and im leaving for poland for 5 days.. and i cant pin hgh for 5-6days.. does this mean when i start again after 5-6 days i have to wait again to feel the hgh working?
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Im on 8iu a day and im leaving for poland for 5 days.. and i cant pin hgh for 5-6days.. does this mean when i start again after 5-6 days i have to wait again to feel the hgh working?
I’ve never had that situation, but I wouldn’t worry... Chest would prolly have a more educated answer on that one.
Separate question for you:
8u of pharma? What’s your fasted blood sugar like? Are you keeping an eye on that?
I know when I was on 8u of pharma Norditropin I was forced to use Tresiba at 40u AM and 40u PM just to keep my FBG in range of 90-100. Throughout the day I was fine, but there were times were I had to pin Humalog prior to eating because my blood sugars didn’t come down after previous meal.
If you FBG and post meal/pre meal blood sugars are high while using hgh, you should look at protecting your pancreas and perhaps start using insulin. Tresiba is best for 24 hour control... Lantus is okay as well.
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Chestrockwell you seem to be pretty damn smart I'm looking forward to reading your future posts. Debates are good guys and he's backing up everything he said with good info.
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I’ve never had that situation, but I wouldn’t worry... Chest would prolly have a more educated answer on that one.
Separate question for you:
8u of pharma? What’s your fasted blood sugar like? Are you keeping an eye on that?
I know when I was on 8u of pharma Norditropin I was forced to use Tresiba at 40u AM and 40u PM just to keep my FBG in range of 90-100. Throughout the day I was fine, but there were times were I had to pin Humalog prior to eating because my blood sugars didn’t come down after previous meal.
If you FBG and post meal/pre meal blood sugars are high while using hgh, you should look at protecting your pancreas and perhaps start using insulin. Tresiba is best for 24 hour control... Lantus is okay as well.
Im using genetics. "Fake HGH" im debaiting. Going on real genos.. which are 3 times more expensive.. but i notice i get a lot of sugar cravings, which are really hard to stand.. you think it has something to do with these generics ? Im using 4iu nordex somatropin and 4iu genotropin(some chinese version)
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I would be careful, as GH-mediated hyperplasia is nothing more than a hypothesis, at best. What I've written in the past...
Conversely, hyperplasia is the process by which an increase in skeletal muscle mass is achieved via an increase in the actual number of muscle fibers. It is generally accepted that, in humans, the number of fibers within skeletal muscle is genetically predetermined and fixed during the perinatal period [5]. There have been a handful of animal studies that have demonstrated that hyperplasia can occur [6-7], often under unique test conditions, but trying to infer from this that it occurs in humans [8-9] is highly speculative at best. Even if hyperplasia does occur in human muscle, it is very likely only a minor factor in the overall mass gaining picture and I’m not planning on spending a lot of time on it here. However, due to how often definitive claims are made that GH causes hyperplasia, it is worth reiterating that these types of statements should be seen as nothing more than speculative.
igf induced hyperplasya and acromegaly is real son. Even my dick mutated with some significant change in thickness.
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Im using genetics. "Fake HGH" im debaiting. Going on real genos.. which are 3 times more expensive.. but i notice i get a lot of sugar cravings, which are really hard to stand.. you think it has something to do with these generics ? Im using 4iu nordex somatropin and 4iu genotropin(some chinese version)
I am considering going back to geno miniquicks 36 IU pens, but I retain water and get all stiff when fighting. Also am not sure of the purity cause now in Turkey everybody is selling the geno and prices went down like 25-30%, which makes me suspicious.
The indian underground shit makes go nate diaz mode. But I also use meldonium and is pretty nice :)
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Im on 8iu a day and im leaving for poland for 5 days.. and i cant pin hgh for 5-6days.. does this mean when i start again after 5-6 days i have to wait again to feel the hgh working?
No, as a general rule it will take roughly 5-10 days for endocrine IGF-1 levels to hit their ceiling for a given GH dosage and conversely about the same time for them to lower to baseline. I wouldn't stress...
Chestrockwell you seem to be pretty damn smart I'm looking forward to reading your future posts. Debates are good guys and he's backing up everything he said with good info.
Thank you, Sir - appreciate the kind words.
igf induced hyperplasya and acromegaly is real son. Even my dick mutated with some significant change in thickness.
Another solid contribution, however posts like these are worthless without pictures.
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No, as a general rule it will take roughly 5-10 days for endocrine IGF-1 levels to hit their ceiling for a given GH dosage and conversely about the same time for them to lower to baseline. I wouldn't stress...
Thank you, Sir - appreciate the kind words.
Another solid contribution, however posts like these are worthless without pictures.
Thanks bro, love it having u here.. i dont remember you or the other bro, making fun og chinese hgh.. is it really worthless or waste of money?
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Thanks bro, love it having u here.. i dont remember you or the other bro, making fun og chinese hgh.. is it really worthless or waste of money?
I've been pretty vocal over the years that I'd try to avoid non FDA approved brands of rHGH if possible. This is largely due to the fact that we aren't going to be exactly sure what is in the vial. FDA approval requires TONS of clinical test, using thousands of subjects over many years to occur. This is to ensure safety and purity, among other things.
Even if a brand "scores" high, this does not necessarily mean that it is "safe" to use. Even with things like improper protein folding, elevated levels of exotoxins, etc occurring, the products can all still result in receptor level bioactivity.
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I've been pretty vocal over the years that I'd try to avoid non FDA approved brands of rHGH if possible. This is largely due to the fact that we aren't going to be exactly sure what is in the vial. FDA approval requires TONS of clinical test, using thousands of subjects over many years to occur. This is to ensure safety and purity, among other things.
Even if a brand "scores" high, this does not necessarily mean that it is "safe" to use. Even with things like improper protein folding, elevated levels of exotoxins, etc occurring, the products can all still result in receptor level bioactivity.
Good answer. Is there any way to know if its real so early ? Only thing i notice is i feel like my hands are dead when i wake up at night.
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Good answer. Is there any way to know if its real so early ? Only thing i notice is i feel like my hands are dead when i wake up at night.
No, doing a "feel test" is not going to address many of the concerns I have with non-FDA brands of GH. Some of the well-known symptoms of GH (e.g. CTS, soft tissue edema, lethargy) may even be exaggerated when using non-FDA brands, but this does not automatically equate to them being "stronger". In fact, many of these symptoms could be signs of one's body "fighting" the substance being injected (and/or the other ingredients in the vial).
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No, doing a "feel test" is not going to address many of the concerns I have with non-FDA brands of GH. Some of the well-known symptoms of GH (e.g. CTS, soft tissue edema, lethargy) may even be exaggerated when using non-FDA brands, but this does not automatically equate to them being "stronger". In fact, many of these symptoms could be signs of one's body "fighting" the substance being injected (and/or the other ingredients in the vial).
Lethargy is a big proplem here.. cts is getting better or im getting used to it
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No, doing a "feel test" is not going to address many of the concerns I have with non-FDA brands of GH. Some of the well-known symptoms of GH (e.g. CTS, soft tissue edema, lethargy) may even be exaggerated when using non-FDA brands, but this does not automatically equate to them being "stronger". In fact, many of these symptoms could be signs of one's body "fighting" the substance being injected (and/or the other ingredients in the vial).
My advice is never buy Chinese hgh. You just don’t know what you are getting, you can’t garauntee the process used to make it, and with all the time it takes to go from China to Ugl to you, it’s just not worth it.
If you don’t have the cash for pharma hgh, then save your money.
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My advice is never buy Chinese hgh. You just don’t know what you are getting, you can’t garauntee the process used to make it, and with all the time it takes to go from China to Ugl to you, it’s just not worth it.
If you don’t have the cash for pharma hgh, then save your money.
Its a gamble just like gear.
If you dont want to take it stay off drugs.
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igf induced hyperplasya and acromegaly is real son. Even my dick mutated with some significant change in thickness.
What I find amusing is that for years you have been posting on here about how much HGH you do, and how awesome it is... yet there was absolutely nothing impressive about any pics you have posted of yourself. Like every time you did, I just thought what an absolutely ordinary gym rat physique... would think you were natural if I saw you at the gym. You should save your money.
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Its a gamble just like gear.
If you dont want to take it stay off drugs.
Agreed, it there are ways to mitigate risk in all things. I waited to use HGH u til I found a source that I knew was legitimate. I am positive what I get is real fda-approved pharma HGH. I pay for it though because it’s not cheap!
Gear-wise it’s the same but you can test your product with ROIDTEST. It won’t tell you if it’s under dosed but it will test for the compound.
Gambling is a calculated risk where you position the odds in your best favor possible. It’s not a close your eyes and wish type of thing. Same with buying gear.
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What I find amusing is that for years you have been posting on here about how much HGH you do, and how awesome it is... yet there was absolutely nothing impressive about any pics you have posted of yourself. Like every time you did, I just thought what an absolutely ordinary gym rat physique... would think you were natural if I saw you at the gym. You should save your money.
I thought he looked good, lol why are you being a dick?
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My advice is never buy Chinese hgh. You just don’t know what you are getting, you can’t garauntee the process used to make it, and with all the time it takes to go from China to Ugl to you, it’s just not worth it.
If you don’t have the cash for pharma hgh, then save your money.
generic hgh used to be great.. novotropin, nd blues, thanktropin, riptropin, hygetropin.. then idk wtf happened.. been using some grey tops that make me hold a ton of water.. im talking 10lbs of water off of 10iu per day lol.. who knows whats in this shit but all the tests come back legit.
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I thought he looked good, lol why are you being a dick?
Wasn't trying to be a dick... just for years seen him preaching about pharma GH.... having never tried any kind of GH myself and always hearing about how magic it is; when I actually saw his pics; just thought to myself that it's a waist of thousands of dollars... not making fun of him; just there was nothing that made me go wow... can look better with just juice and a good diet.