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NYC Mayor Guarantees Comprehensive Health Care for All in Historic Surprise Announcement
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New York City will begin guaranteeing comprehensive health care to every single resident regardless of someone's ability to pay or immigration status, an unprecedented plan that will protect the more-than half-a-million New Yorkers currently using the ER as a primary provider, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Tuesday.
It's not health insurance, his spokesman clarified after the surprise announcement on MSNBC.
White House Says Tax Refunds Will Go Out Despite Shutdown
"This is the city paying for direct comprehensive care (not just ERs) for people who can't afford it, or can't get comprehensive Medicaid -- including 300,000 undocumented New Yorkers," spokesman Eric Phillips tweeted.
De Blasio said the plan will provide primary and specialty care, from pediatrics to OBGYN, geriatric, mental health and other services, to the city's roughly 600,000 uninsured. He said the city already has the foundation for such a plan -- a public health insurance option that helps get direct care to undocumented residents.
That option will be expanded, the mayor said, and supported with the addition of a new program called NYC Care. That plan will roll out in 2019 and build out over the next few years, de Blasio said. It'll cost about $100 million, Politico said.
New Yorkers will be able to access the program through the city's website or simply by calling 311. There will be no tax hikes to fund it, the mayor said.
"We'll put the money in to make it work; it's going to save us money down the line," de Blasio said on MSNBC. "We're already paying an exorbitant amount to pay for health care the wrong way when what we should be doing is helping them get the primary care."
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Additional details on the program are expected to be revealed later Tuesday.
"This has never been done in the country in a comprehensive way," de Blasio said on MSNBC. "Health care isn't just a right in theory, it must be a right in practice. And we're doing that here in this city."
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-Health-Care-Guarantee-Mayor-de-Blasio-504046171.html
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NYC Mayor Guarantees Comprehensive Health Care for All in Historic Surprise Announcement
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New York City will begin guaranteeing comprehensive health care to every single resident regardless of someone's ability to pay or immigration status, an unprecedented plan that will protect the more-than half-a-million New Yorkers currently using the ER as a primary provider, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Tuesday.
It's not health insurance, his spokesman clarified after the surprise announcement on MSNBC.
White House Says Tax Refunds Will Go Out Despite Shutdown
"This is the city paying for direct comprehensive care (not just ERs) for people who can't afford it, or can't get comprehensive Medicaid -- including 300,000 undocumented New Yorkers," spokesman Eric Phillips tweeted.
De Blasio said the plan will provide primary and specialty care, from pediatrics to OBGYN, geriatric, mental health and other services, to the city's roughly 600,000 uninsured. He said the city already has the foundation for such a plan -- a public health insurance option that helps get direct care to undocumented residents.
That option will be expanded, the mayor said, and supported with the addition of a new program called NYC Care. That plan will roll out in 2019 and build out over the next few years, de Blasio said. It'll cost about $100 million, Politico said.
New Yorkers will be able to access the program through the city's website or simply by calling 311. There will be no tax hikes to fund it, the mayor said.
"We'll put the money in to make it work; it's going to save us money down the line," de Blasio said on MSNBC. "We're already paying an exorbitant amount to pay for health care the wrong way when what we should be doing is helping them get the primary care."
Trump Heads to TV, Border as Fed Workers Face Paycheck Sting
Additional details on the program are expected to be revealed later Tuesday.
"This has never been done in the country in a comprehensive way," de Blasio said on MSNBC. "Health care isn't just a right in theory, it must be a right in practice. And we're doing that here in this city."
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-Health-Care-Guarantee-Mayor-de-Blasio-504046171.html
Explain where the $$$ will come from.
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LOL
I live pretty close to the mayors mansion. He can’t even get the bathroom outside his house cleaned or repaired. There’s also a construction project right outside the Mansion that has been delayed time and time again and it’s gone over by about a year at this point.
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Basically this communist idiot is going to make NYC like cuba or venezuela
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Have to check his math.
Glad I don't live in NY.
Will the rest of the state be soaked to pay for this?
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Have to check his math.
Glad I don't live in NY.
Will the rest of the state be soaked to pay for this?
We are ready have the highest state tax. I know a guy who worked for the Department of taxation in New York State. As soon as he retired, he moved to Florida. Lots of his coworkers did so as well.
It’s amazing the way politicians ruin everything. Downstate you have an international city and then you go upstate and you have rivers, lakes and mountains. Yet people want to leave.
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We are ready have the highest state I know a guy to worked for the Department of taxation in New York State. As soon as he retired, he moved to Florida. Lots of his coworkers did so as well.
It’s amazing the way politicians ruin everything. Downstate you have an international city and then you go upstate and you have rivers, lakes and mountains. Yet people want to leave.
Real estate taxes in some of the small rural towns in NYS are even higher than in the highly populated areas.
They have to comply with all the school tax mandates without the tax base to spread it over.
NY, NJ, CT, MA all tax and spend states. It is a juggernaut that can't be stopped. Nobody wants their share of the pie cut.
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NYC Mayor Guarantees Comprehensive Health Care for All in Historic Surprise Announcement
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Bill_de_Blasio_11-2-2013.jpg/220px-Bill_de_Blasio_11-2-2013.jpg)
New York City will begin guaranteeing comprehensive health care to every single resident regardless of someone's ability to pay or immigration status, an unprecedented plan that will protect the more-than half-a-million New Yorkers currently using the ER as a primary provider, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Tuesday.
It's not health insurance, his spokesman clarified after the surprise announcement on MSNBC.
White House Says Tax Refunds Will Go Out Despite Shutdown
"This is the city paying for direct comprehensive care (not just ERs) for people who can't afford it, or can't get comprehensive Medicaid -- including 300,000 undocumented New Yorkers," spokesman Eric Phillips tweeted.
De Blasio said the plan will provide primary and specialty care, from pediatrics to OBGYN, geriatric, mental health and other services, to the city's roughly 600,000 uninsured. He said the city already has the foundation for such a plan -- a public health insurance option that helps get direct care to undocumented residents.
That option will be expanded, the mayor said, and supported with the addition of a new program called NYC Care. That plan will roll out in 2019 and build out over the next few years, de Blasio said. It'll cost about $100 million, Politico said.
New Yorkers will be able to access the program through the city's website or simply by calling 311. There will be no tax hikes to fund it, the mayor said.
"We'll put the money in to make it work; it's going to save us money down the line," de Blasio said on MSNBC. "We're already paying an exorbitant amount to pay for health care the wrong way when what we should be doing is helping them get the primary care."
Trump Heads to TV, Border as Fed Workers Face Paycheck Sting
Additional details on the program are expected to be revealed later Tuesday.
"This has never been done in the country in a comprehensive way," de Blasio said on MSNBC. "Health care isn't just a right in theory, it must be a right in practice. And we're doing that here in this city."
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYC-Health-Care-Guarantee-Mayor-de-Blasio-504046171.html
I'm sure it will end well. ::)
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Real estate taxes in some of the small rural towns in NYS are even higher than in the highly populated areas.
They have to comply with all the school tax mandates without the tax base to spread it over.
NY, NJ, CT, MA all tax and spend states. It is a juggernaut that can't be stopped. Nobody wants their share of the pie cut.
In Albany, you have all these huge government buildings teeming with activity, then you go to the business street, South Pearl, and there’s nothing but “For Rent” signs.
Albany itself is a disgusting black shithole, the kind of place you go to once and never want to back.
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Quick math with no in-depth analysis:
$100,000,000 to cover 600,000 people comes out to about $167 per year per person.
That's cheaper than most eye care policies. ::) Which (witch!) doctors will accept the absurdly
low reimbursement rates? Will doctors be legally compelled to accept all comers?
My new governor, Naïve Gruesome, will try to outdo Mr. Mayor.
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What possesses people to provide things for free that taxpayers have to pay for? It just doesn't make sense unless your goal is to erode the will of working people.
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What possesses people to provide things for free that taxpayers have to pay for? It just doesn't make sense unless your goal is to erode the will of working people.
Most of those who favor it don't pay taxes. Socialism is great if you are the recipient and not the provider.
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As much as I think DeBlasio is a commie nut there is some logic here.
The indigent have been going to Emergency Rooms for common ailments. A very expensive and ridiculous practice.
The Emergency Rooms have to take them and it costs whoever eats the expense a fortune.
Perhaps some of this current cost will be redirected.
This is the possible logic.
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As much as I think DeBlasio is a commie nut there is some logic here.
The indigent have been going to Emergency Rooms for common ailments. A very expensive and ridiculous practice.
The Emergency Rooms have to take them and it costs whoever eats the expense a fortune.
Perhaps some of this current cost will be redirected.
This is the possible logic.
It’s just another intervention which will make things worse. The harsh reality of the healthcare system is that it needs to be stripped down and started over from scratch. This will probably never happen.
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This is why he is known as “Comrade” Bill. Of course, “In the wrong hands” means not in his.
Mayor de Blasio Says Wealth Is ‘in the Wrong Hands,’ Pledges to Redistribute It
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/nyregion/bill-de-blasio-state-of-city.html
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California, NY and NJ governors/mayors are trying to outdo each other with commie liberal agendas.
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As much as I think DeBlasio is a commie nut there is some logic here.
The indigent have been going to Emergency Rooms for common ailments. A very expensive and ridiculous practice.
The Emergency Rooms have to take them and it costs whoever eats the expense a fortune.
Perhaps some of this current cost will be redirected.
This is the possible logic.
Every layer of govt adds cost and inefficiency. There is no spreading out here, only making the trough deeper.
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California, NY and NJ governors/mayors are trying to outdo each other with commie liberal agendas.
Bunch of fucking morons.
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This is why he is known as “Comrade” Bill. Of course, “In the wrong hands” means not in his.
Mayor de Blasio Says Wealth Is ‘in the Wrong Hands,’ Pledges to Redistribute It
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/nyregion/bill-de-blasio-state-of-city.html
according to One More Rep, "the jews own New York" - do you think they will allow for their funds to be redistributed? I don't.
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according to One More Rep, "the jews own New York" - do you think they will allow for their funds to be redistributed? I don't.
The real old money is in the hands of the Wasps, the descendants of Morgan, Whitney, Vanderbilt Rockefeller etc. Of course, you have some super wealthy Jews as well, and, no, neither is going to hand over their money to a commie.
That said, those types weren’t able to stop NYC from becoming a shithole in the 1970’s due to Democratic “leadership.” Thank God, for Rudy Giuliani, otherwise NYC would make Chicago look like Shangri La.
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what a clown. universal healthcare?! that will never work. I mean, there's no working models of it anywhere in the world! just like gun control...pure fantasy!
much better to pool your money with insurance companies and let them help themselves to huge profits, than to put your money in a non profit pool. ;D
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what a clown. universal healthcare?! that will never work. I mean, there's no working models of it anywhere in the world! just like gun control...pure fantasy!
much better to pool your money with insurance companies and let them help themselves to huge profits, than to put your money in a non profit pool. ;D
Canada’s health-care wait times hit new record high, again - Macleans.ca
https://www.macleans.ca/society/health/canadas-health-care-wait-times-hit-new-record-high-again/
We finally did it last year. In 2016, we hit the 20-week mark for the average wait time for treatment by a specialist (across 12 medical specialities) after referral from a general practitioner. Canada’s national shame had reached a record high of 20 weeks, a far cry from the 9.3-week wait measured by the Fraser Institute’s annual survey in 1993.
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Canada’s health-care wait times hit new record high, again - Macleans.ca
https://www.macleans.ca/society/health/canadas-health-care-wait-times-hit-new-record-high-again/
We finally did it last year. In 2016, we hit the 20-week mark for the average wait time for treatment by a specialist (across 12 medical specialities) after referral from a general practitioner. Canada’s national shame had reached a record high of 20 weeks, a far cry from the 9.3-week wait measured by the Fraser Institute’s annual survey in 1993.
"The Commonwealth Fund compared the U.S. to Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the U.K.
America ranked last for overall performance and last or near last when it came to data points like access to care, administrative efficiency, equity and health care outcomes, according to a new report published Friday by the Commonwealth Fund, a private foundation that strives to improve health care in America. Paradoxically, the U.S. spends more money on health care compared to other high-income countries, which is notable given its poor performance, the report states."
https://health.usnews.com/wellness/health-buzz/articles/2017-07-17/report-us-has-the-worst-health-care-system-compared-to-these-countries
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You are aware that the American healthcare system is over 60% controlled by the US government. That’s why it’s so inefficient.
We have a government controlled program, Medicare, which is financed to the tune of $1 trillion a year, larger than the GDP of most countries. Not surprisingly, it’s insolvent.
Europeans think that the American healthcare system is this free market wild west when it’s anything but.
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You are aware that the American healthcare system is over 60% controlled by the US government.
Basically health care for all (illegal immigrants)
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You are aware that the American healthcare system is over 60% controlled by the US government. That’s why it’s so inefficient.
We have a government controlled program, Medicare, which is financed to the tune of $1 trillion a year, larger than the GDP of most countries. Not surprisingly, it’s insolvent.
Europeans think that the American healthcare system is this free market wild west when it’s anything but.
from what I've read medicare is supposedly more efficient than the private part of your healthcare system.
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from what I've read medicare is supposedly more efficient than the private part of your healthcare system.
Bwahahahaahaaaaa!!!! Medicare is a fucking mess. I know people on it, horrible fucking mess.
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You are aware that the American healthcare system is over 60% controlled by the US government. That’s why it’s so inefficient.
We have a government controlled program, Medicare, which is financed to the tune of $1 trillion a year, larger than the GDP of most countries. Not surprisingly, it’s insolvent.
Europeans think that the American healthcare system is this free market wild west when it’s anything but.
Accurate
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Bwahahahaahaaaaa!!!! Medicare is a fucking mess. I know people on it, horrible fucking mess.
oh well if you know "people on it", that's definitive proof then that's it's less efficient than insurance funded healthcare ::)
"Facts: Medicare spending will soar in the years ahead as the number of seniors grows, but its per-capita growth is slower than private health insurance - and it is getting better. “We may be reaching the point now where Medicare healthcare expenses are growing no more quickly than growth of the economy overall,” said John Rother, chief executive officer of the National Coalition on Health Care (NCHC). “That’s important, but it might as well be a state secret as far as the public and Congress goes.”
The average annual per-capita spending growth rate through 2019 is projected at 3.1 percent for Medicare, compared with 4.9 percent for private insurance plans, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. The 3.1 percent projection even includes higher payments to doctors as part of a long-term solution to the long-running problem of the sustainable growth rate (SGR) used under current law to control Medicare spending on physician services."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-column-miller-medicare-idUSBRE87E15N20120815
there's quite a lot of other data that says medicaire is more cost effective. the administratitive costs are apparently a fraction of that with insurance cos.
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oh well if you know "people on it", that's definitive proof then that's it's less efficient than insurance funded healthcare ::)
"Facts: Medicare spending will soar in the years ahead as the number of seniors grows, but its per-capita growth is slower than private health insurance - and it is getting better. “We may be reaching the point now where Medicare healthcare expenses are growing no more quickly than growth of the economy overall,” said John Rother, chief executive officer of the National Coalition on Health Care (NCHC). “That’s important, but it might as well be a state secret as far as the public and Congress goes.”
The average annual per-capita spending growth rate through 2019 is projected at 3.1 percent for Medicare, compared with 4.9 percent for private insurance plans, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. The 3.1 percent projection even includes higher payments to doctors as part of a long-term solution to the long-running problem of the sustainable growth rate (SGR) used under current law to control Medicare spending on physician services."
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-column-miller-medicare-idUSBRE87E15N20120815
there's quite a lot of other data that says medicaire is more cost effective. the administratitive costs are apparently a fraction of that with insurance cos.
Well, you read it in a liberal rag mag from 5k miles (8k kilometers) away. Must be true.
BTW, it's a fucking mess. Try talking to people that actually use the product.
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Well, you read it in a liberal rag mag from 5k miles (8k kilometers) away. Must be true.
BTW, it's a fucking mess. Try talking to people that actually use the product.
yes anecdotal evidence always trumps verified data on matters like this. no disrespect but I could live 20k miles away and still know more regarding the actual facts and figs of what is going on in your or any other country.
because you are the typical sheep and follower. you can't think for yourself. you've been told universal healthcare is "socialist" . so without actually bothering to look at the subject in any detail, you simply go along with how you're meant to think as a "righty" ...
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Medicare in a great position right now... Latest report is it is done by 2026.
http://www.wmal.com/2018/06/05/trustees-report-warns-medicare-finances-worsening/
You are wrong on this matter, gun control, and many others, Conk.
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Medicare in a great position right now... Latest report is it is done by 2026.
http://www.wmal.com/2018/06/05/trustees-report-warns-medicare-finances-worsening/
You are wrong on this matter, gun control, and many others, Conk.
did you even bother reading the article you've posted?
it makes zero mention of inefficiency being the problem. it says the ageing population and rising health care costs are the reason medicare is running out of money.
there is plenty of data out there that states medicare and medicaid are both more efficient than insurance based cover.
"Between 2007 and 2023, per enrollee spending for private insurance is expected to increase by 104%, compared to a 63% increase for both Medicaid and Medicare. In 2013, per enrollee spending for Medicaid for non-disabled, non-elderly adults was $4,391, compared to more than $5,500 for people receiving private insurance through their employers. Additionally, per enrollee spending is often the best indicator when comparing public and private coverage.
Surprisingly, Medicaid has managed to keep costs down, even while covering lots of the most medically needy people in the country. "
https://benestream.com/2015/08/11/medicaid-is-more-cost-efficient-than-you-think/
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Conker has joined the party!
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It’s a strawman argument. Medicare and Medicaid are compulsory programs. We have to put into them whether we want to or not. The private sector doesn’t have that luxury and actually have to compete for the dollars that are left.
Same drill with Social Security. The dollars that get sucked out of the economy has a crowding out effect for other potential retirement programs in the private sector.
They are both Ponzi schemes, Medicare in particular in which recipients take out three times what they put in. Obviously that’s not going to be sustainable for much longer.
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from what I've read medicare is supposedly more efficient than the private part of your healthcare system.
Right, that's why everybody who hasn't been on govt benefits their whole lives has supplemental coverage in addition to medicare.
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It’s a strawman argument. Medicare and Medicaid are compulsory programs. We have to put into them whether we want to or not. The private sector doesn’t have that luxury and actually have to compete for the dollars that are left.
Same drill with Social Security. The dollars that get sucked out of the economy has a crowding out effect for other potential retirement programs in the private sector.
They are both Ponzi schemes, Medicare in particular in which recipients take out three times what they put in. Obviously that’s not going to be sustainable for much longer.
lol. whether or not it's compulsary or not is completely irrelevant.
the bottom line is (if the data is to be believed) medicaid/care per capita costs a fair amount less than private healthcare. why should "competing for the dollars" mean higher costs per capita?
advocates of private healthcare say it should be the complete opposite of that. private enterprise is supposed to increase efficiency.
paying health insurance (for all intents and purposes) is basically a tax. you're not paying for healthcare at the point of use, you're just pooling your money in the same way that medicare is funded. the only difference is with the insurance companies , their shareholders take a nice fat wedge out of the pool.
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Poor conker, just doesn't get it. He still believes everything the liberal media says. :(
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lol. whether or not it's compulsary or not is completely irrelevant.
the bottom line is (if the data is to be believed) medicaid/care per capita costs a fair amount less than private healthcare. why should "competing for the dollars" mean higher costs per capita?
advocates of private healthcare say it should be the complete opposite of that. private enterprise is supposed to increase efficiency.
paying health insurance (for all intents and purposes) is basically a tax. you're not paying for healthcare at the point of use, you're just pooling your money in the same way that medicare is funded. the only difference is with the insurance companies , their shareholders take a nice fat wedge out of the pool.
A government monopoly on a product with guaranteed income as a result of taxation is not an advantage?
Poor conker, just doesn't get it. He still believes everything the liberal media says. :(
Liberals talk a great game but here’s what happens when their policies are implemented unchecked. NPR is a very liberal news source
San Francisco Squalor: City Streets Strewn With Trash, Needles And Human Feces : NPR
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/01/634626538/san-francisco-squalor-city-streets-strewn-with-trash-needles-and-human-feces
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A government monopoly on a product with guaranteed income as a result of taxation is not an advantage?
what are you saying? that medicare/caid has an unfair advantage over the insurance companies?
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what are you saying? that medicare/caid has an unfair advantage over the insurance companies?
Depends on which part of medicare you're talking about.
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Poor conker, just doesn't get it. He still believes everything the liberal media says. :(
i don't fall into any box, liberal or conservative. i judge each issue on it's given merits. i'm a strong believer in capitalism and private enterprise. it's the system that fits best with human nature.
but it's clear to me that some services are just better off in public ownership, the police force, the education system. healthcare...
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Depends on which part of medicare you're talking about.
medicare as a whole.
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medicare as a whole.
This is part of the problem. Medicare comes in at least 4 parts, based on what someone can afford, that's the care they can get.
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This is part of the problem. Medicare comes in at least 4 parts, based on what someone can afford, that's the care they can get.
It’s all just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. People are taking out three times what they put in. And we’re just starting to see the baby boomers getting to the Medicare age and they’re going to really send it over the edge. This is the smoking/ tv watching/ bad food generation. They’re in horrible shape. It’s probably going to go bust sooner than expected.
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It’s all just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. People are taking out three times what they put in. And we’re just starting to see the baby boomers getting to the Medicare age and they’re going to really send it over the edge. This is the smoking/ tv watching/ bad food generation. They’re in horrible shape. It’s probably going to go bust sooner than expected.
Those boomers are also going to be dying as well. They don't live forever.
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Those boomers are also going to be dying as well. They don't live forever.
A large percentage of the costs are accrued during the last six months of life. At the end of the day it’s a numbers game. There’s more going out then there is coming in, and it’s only going to get worse.
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A large percentage of the costs are accrued during the last six months of life. At the end of the day it’s a numbers game. There’s more going out then there is coming in, and it’s only going to get worse.
My point is that boomers are the largest generation and they are starting to die off. After they are gone it should ease up a little on cost if we can weather the storm.
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"Sometimes it takes just a couple of numbers to clarify a huge, complex issue--In this case, what to do about Medicare. Medicare costs are up 400% since 1969--scary, right? But private health insurance premiums in the same period are up 700%--nearly twice as scary."
https://www.consumerwatchdog.org/blog/private-insurance-vs-medicare-truth-numbers
there's tons of data that shows medicare/caid is way more cost effective than insurance based cover. the majority of the rest of the 1st world has a universal medicare style system and spends way less per capita on healthcare than the US, and everyone has cover.
on top of that the US healthcare system ranks poorly against these other nations, despite the extra cost.
i estimate that in about 100 years or so the penny will finally will drop. one thing i've learn't from this board is although the US probably has the smartest people in the world(at the top). the masses are thick as fk, especially those on the right.
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Medicare costs are subject to price controls with the burden being passed to the private sector.
http://pnhp.org/news/making-medicare-prices-universal-as-an-isolated-policy-for-reform/
According to a study by the Congressional Budget Office, the price for a one-day hospital stay is 89 percent higher when charged to commercial insurance plans and their customers than when a Medicare patient stays in the same bed for the same amount of time. Overall, the discounts Medicare and Medicaid receive are in the 20 to 40 percent range.
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It’s the same drill with rent control. The cost of non-rent controlled housing becomes inflated.
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"Sometimes it takes just a couple of numbers to clarify a huge, complex issue--In this case, what to do about Medicare. Medicare costs are up 400% since 1969--scary, right? But private health insurance premiums in the same period are up 700%--nearly twice as scary."
https://www.consumerwatchdog.org/blog/private-insurance-vs-medicare-truth-numbers
there's tons of data that shows medicare/caid is way more cost effective than insurance based cover. the majority of the rest of the 1st world has a universal medicare style system and spends way less per capita on healthcare than the US, and everyone has cover.
on top of that the US healthcare system ranks poorly against these other nations, despite the extra cost.
i estimate that in about 100 years or so the penny will finally will drop. one thing i've learn't from this board is although the US probably has the smartest people in the world(at the top). the masses are thick as fk, especially those on the right.
Is that medicare A, B, C or D?
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Medicare costs are subject to price controls with the burden being passed to the private sector.
http://pnhp.org/news/making-medicare-prices-universal-as-an-isolated-policy-for-reform/
According to a study by the Congressional Budget Office, the price for a one-day hospital stay is 89 percent higher when charged to commercial insurance plans and their customers than when a Medicare patient stays in the same bed for the same amount of time. Overall, the discounts Medicare and Medicaid receive are in the 20 to 40 percent range.
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It’s the same drill with rent control. The cost of non-rent controlled housing becomes inflated.
that was actually an interesting read. but I think you completely misinterpreted what the article's saying. it says that the healthcare providers are merging to form "local monopolies" which inflates healthcare costs for private patients.
the article actually sounds quite complimentary of medicare and advocates price controls being applied to private healthcare across the board. it says that the healthcare services in rural and poorer areas are way more efficient in terms of cost control because they are more reliant on medicare patients.
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Is that medicare A, B, C or D?
as the article doesn't specify. I would assume it's talking about medicare as a whole.
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that was actually an interesting read. but I think you completely misinterpreted what the article's saying. it says that the healthcare providers are merging to form "local monopolies" which inflates healthcare costs for private patients.
the article actually sounds quite complimentary of medicare and advocates price controls being applied to private healthcare across the board. it says that the healthcare services in rural and poorer areas are way more efficient in terms of cost control because they are more reliant on medicare patients.
I believe you are missing the point. Where the government is involved heavily in a market it becomes very difficult for smaller players to survive. That’s why you have the consolidation. More price controls would just exacerbate the problem.
Price controls create shortages. You’re seeing this right now in San Francisco, the most liberal city in the country. In this case there are housing shortages largely as a result of rent control:
San Francisco homelessness crisis is cruel, according to UN expert
http://www.businessinsider.com/un-expert-san-francisco-homeless-cruelty-2018-11
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I believe you are missing the point. Where the government is involved heavily in a market it becomes very difficult for smaller players to survive. That’s why you have the consolidation. More price controls would just exacerbate the problem.
Price controls create shortages. You’re seeing this right now in San Francisco, the most liberal city in the country. In this case there are housing shortages largely as a result of rent control:
San Francisco homelessness crisis is cruel, according to UN expert
http://www.businessinsider.com/un-expert-san-francisco-homeless-cruelty-2018-11
no you missed the point of the article you posted!
rather than suggesting medicare price controls are a problem, it states they are the solution. it calls for them to be applied across the board.
it says that healthcare providers in high medicare dependent regions are far more cost effective than those in areas that deal with mostly private patients.
go back an re read your article. as what you're saying here is in complete contradiction to it.
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no you missed the point of the article you posted!
rather than suggesting medicare price controls are a problem, it states they are the solution. it calls for them to be applied across the board.
it says that healthcare providers in high medicare dependent regions are far more cost effective than those in areas that deal with mostly private patients.
go back an re read your article. as what you're saying here is in complete contradiction to it.
They’re suggesting another intervention, more price controls, to rectify an initial failed intervention, price controls. I disagree with their conclusion.
The reality is that if you look at every American industry that has heavy government intervention you’ll find out of control prices. Education is a good example. With the recent advances in online and distance learning,prices should be plummeting but they still are outpacing inflation as they always have.
The aforementioned mentioned San Francisco is another example. It’s a heavily regulated and rent controlled market and the result is out of control housing prices and homelessness. The tech millionaires can afford a home but that’s it. It’s exactly the opposite of what liberals want: equality,
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They’re suggesting another intervention, more price controls, to rectify an initial failed intervention, price controls. I disagree with their conclusion.
The reality is that if you look at every American industry that has heavy government intervention you’ll find out of control prices. Education is a good example. With the recent advances in online and distance learning,prices should be plummeting but they still are outpacing inflation as they always have.
The aforementioned mentioned San Francisco is another example. It’s a heavily regulated and rent controlled market and the result is out of control housing prices and homelessness. The tech millionaires can afford a home but that’s it. It’s exactly the opposite of what liberals want: equality,
Firstly, the article didn't say price control was a "failed intervention" . it asserted that price control is working well (or at least better than the alternative). That's why it suggests it would be beneficial to do the same across the private market.
If it is your belief that price control (in healthcare) is a "failed intervention" why not post something that actually supports your position?
rather than posting something that completely disagrees with you ???
BTW I don't thik you can compare industries such as healthcare/military/policing/education with other industries. most indutries (IMO) are better off in the private sector. but there are exceptions to that rule.
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Firstly, the article didn't say price control was a "failed intervention" . it asserted that price control is working well (or at least better than the alternative). That's why it suggests it would be beneficial to do the same across the private market.
If it is your belief that price control (in healthcare) is a "failed intervention" why not post something that actually supports your position?
rather than posting something that completely disagrees with you ???
BTW I don't think you can compare industries such as healthcare/military/policing/education with other industries. most industries (IMO) are better off in the private sector. but there are exceptions to that rule.
Exactly. These should never be for profit.