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Title: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Hulkster on March 15, 2019, 11:10:25 AM
 :o


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: funk51 on March 15, 2019, 01:16:51 PM
:o
                   three icons of wrestling only hebner still alive.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: IroNat on March 15, 2019, 01:26:09 PM
The days when men were men and women were glad of it.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: funk51 on March 16, 2019, 05:55:20 AM
 ;D the giant.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: funk51 on March 16, 2019, 07:29:24 AM
 ;D     3 of these iconic banners on sale= ebay


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 16, 2019, 01:09:41 PM
;D     3 of these iconic banners on sale= ebay


Official, or repro's?


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Playboy on March 18, 2019, 04:02:36 AM
Small tidbit....

Warrior and Savage during their feud would have a friendly competition to see who could drink a pot of coffee quicker....hence why they were always wired up during their interviews.  :D


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 18, 2019, 02:50:16 PM
Small tidbit....

Warrior and Savage during their feud would have a friendly competition to see who could drink a pot of coffee quicker....hence why they were always wired up during their interviews.  :D


Did either of those two ever really "booze?"


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Hulkster on March 18, 2019, 05:22:28 PM

Did either of those two ever really "booze?"

not that I have heard.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 19, 2019, 12:55:35 AM
not that I have heard.


I don't recall any stories, either.

There are many accounts of UW's strictness and dedication to training/nutrition. And, while there's the occasional mention of Savage going out to the bar with the boys after a show, you never hear of him involved in any of the rowdy, destructive behavior that was quite common in the 80's.

However, I can easily see both men engaging in coffee-drinking contests.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Playboy on March 19, 2019, 03:46:26 AM

Did either of those two ever really "booze?"
Warrior never drank. He was into his body / health. Savage had the odd toast but not a partier. Conservative/frugal like his old man.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 19, 2019, 09:22:48 AM

I don't recall any stories, either.

There are many accounts of UW's strictness and dedication to training/nutrition. And, while there's the occasional mention of Savage going out to the bar with the boys after a show, you never hear of him involved in any of the rowdy, destructive behavior that was quite common in the 80's.

However, I can easily see both men engaging in coffee-drinking contests.
I used to read his blog on his website that he had 15 or so years ago.  Guy was kinda whacked and I got the impression he really believed his UW persona.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 19, 2019, 03:40:26 PM
Warrior never drank. He was into his body / health. Savage had the odd toast but not a partier. Conservative/frugal like his old man.


I've formed the opinion that ALL of the Poffo's were "good with their money."


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Playboy on March 20, 2019, 04:04:41 AM

I've formed the opinion that ALL of the Poffo's were "good with their money."
I remember you posting that on a thread years ago  :)


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 20, 2019, 02:30:54 PM
I remember you posting that on a thread years ago  :)


Oh, yes...

And, I still believe it was down to Angelo's influence.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: LurkerNoMore on March 25, 2019, 08:07:27 PM
:o

Not racists, but it looks like color blind Mexicans on LSD designed those outfits.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 26, 2019, 12:42:33 AM
Not racists, but it looks like color blind Mexicans on LSD designed those outfits.


Neon-nineties, baby...


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 26, 2019, 12:53:27 AM
I used to read his blog on his website that he had 15 or so years ago.  Guy was kinda whacked and I got the impression he really believed his UW persona.


He tried several businesses away from wrestling.
One was "Warrior University," a pro-wrestling school, where I guess you learned how to shake ropes and run laps around the ring.

He later became a conservative keynote speaker while making the odd wrestling convention appearance. I actually liked some of his earlier blogs, but he was kind of "out there" with the later ones.

Eventually, Hellwig legally changed his name to Warrior so that he could use the name anywhere, although that may have just been part of the reason. The other reason(s) may relate as to why he got tattoos of himself ON himself.

He once left WWF because he felt he deserved more money.
He left again when WWF fired him for receiving shipments of hGH, but not before ratting out Davey Boy Smith, who was then also fired.
And, Smith was a friend...


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 26, 2019, 01:55:44 AM

He tried several businesses away from wrestling.
One was "Warrior University," a pro-wrestling school, where I guess you learned how to shake ropes and run laps around the ring.

He later became a conservative keynote speaker while making the odd wrestling convention appearance. I actually liked some of his earlier blogs, but he was kind of "out there" with the later ones.

Eventually, Hellwig legally changed his name to Warrior so that he could use the name anywhere, although that may have just been part of the reason. The other reason(s) may relate as to why he got tattoos of himself ON himself.

He once left WWF because he felt he deserved more money.
He left again when WWF fired him for receiving shipments of hGH, but not before ratting out Davey Boy Smith, who was then also fired.
And, Smith was a friend...
I imagine that wrestling school must have been the worst ever.  Anybody graduate from his school that's an active wrestler today?


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 26, 2019, 07:36:21 AM
I imagine that wrestling school must have been the worst ever.  Anybody graduate from his school that's an active wrestler today?


LOL...
Is that a rhetorical question?


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 26, 2019, 09:02:36 AM

LOL...
Is that a rhetorical question?
Ha, ha, kind of but I figured maybe there's a wrestler today cut from the same cloth as Warrior.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 26, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
Ha, ha, kind of but I figured maybe there's a wrestler today cut from the same cloth as Warrior.


To respectfully answer your original question:

There is not one graduate from "Warrior University" to my knowledge. I know the "school" wasn't around for long, and I'm not even sure if they ever got so far as having a roster of students.
I believe the school was the butt of several jokes on the "Self-Destruction" DVD the Fed released years ago. My buddy bought it for shits & giggles. I should see if he's still got it.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 26, 2019, 04:17:00 PM

To respectfully answer your original question:

There is not one graduate from "Warrior University" to my knowledge. I know the "school" wasn't around for long, and I'm not even sure if they ever got so far as having a roster of students.
I believe the school was the butt of several jokes on the "Self-Destruction" DVD the Fed released years ago. My buddy bought it for shits & giggles. I should see if he's still got it.
What I could never understand about limited wrestlers like UW is why didn't they learn wrestling on the job?  He was a bodybuilder that was chosen with Sting on a bet to become wrestlers so I can understand not immediately having any ability in the ring but why would he not have someone in wrestling work with him?  My friends and I knew more wrestling moves at 8 years old than he did 10 years into his career.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 27, 2019, 01:12:41 AM
What I could never understand about limited wrestlers like UW is why didn't they learn wrestling on the job?  He was a bodybuilder that was chosen with Sting on a bet to become wrestlers so I can understand not immediately having any ability in the ring but why would he not have someone in wrestling work with him?  My friends and I knew more wrestling moves at 8 years old than he did 10 years into his career.


I know exactly what you mean.

Before you can learn, you must be open to the idea, and a common belief is that UW felt he was "too good" to need any kind of change/improvement. That is likely why we never saw any evolution from him in terms of character, ring mechanics or psychology. About the only thing he did change was his ring gear and face paint.

It's a shame because the gimmick and character were SUPER OVER. There just wasn't enough substance to sustain. If there had been, then the old man probably would have been more accommodating in the salary demands during contract negotiations.


Here's a comparison:
By WM9, Hogan's act had run its course to where it became a tired, unwelcome paradigm with fans. He continued that struggle into his early WCW days. Then, he turned heel, headed up a street gang, and got many more unexpectedly successful years in the business.

UW had burned out his act much faster, did NOTHING to evolve the character, had about three matches in WCW (the same force behind Hogan), and was done in mainstream wrestling after that.
They couldn't have pushed him anymore than they did.
He went as far as he could.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 27, 2019, 01:49:07 AM

I know exactly what you mean.

Before you can learn, you must be open to the idea, and a common belief is that UW felt he was "too good" to need any kind of change/improvement. That is likely why we never saw any evolution from him in terms of character, ring mechanics or psychology. About the only thing he did change was his ring gear and face paint.

It's a shame because the gimmick and character were SUPER OVER. There just wasn't enough substance to sustain. If there had been, then the old man probably would have been more accommodating in the salary demands during contract negotiations.


Here's a comparison:
By WM9, Hogan's act had run its course to where it became a tired, unwelcome paradigm with fans. He continued that struggle into his early WCW days. Then, he turned heel, headed up a street gang, and got many more unexpectedly successful years in the business.

UW had burned out his act much faster, did NOTHING to evolve the character, had about three matches in WCW (the same force behind Hogan), and was done in mainstream wrestling after that.
They couldn't have pushed him anymore than they did.
He went as far as he could.
Totally agree and McMahon set everything up for him when he won the title from Hogan to be the next great WWF champ and that fizzled  out bad as well.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: cheftim on March 27, 2019, 10:06:44 AM

I know exactly what you mean.

Before you can learn, you must be open to the idea, and a common belief is that UW felt he was "too good" to need any kind of change/improvement. That is likely why we never saw any evolution from him in terms of character, ring mechanics or psychology. About the only thing he did change was his ring gear and face paint.

It's a shame because the gimmick and character were SUPER OVER. There just wasn't enough substance to sustain. If there had been, then the old man probably would have been more accommodating in the salary demands during contract negotiations.


Here's a comparison:
By WM9, Hogan's act had run its course to where it became a tired, unwelcome paradigm with fans. He continued that struggle into his early WCW days. Then, he turned heel, headed up a street gang, and got many more unexpectedly successful years in the business.

UW had burned out his act much faster, did NOTHING to evolve the character, had about three matches in WCW (the same force behind Hogan), and was done in mainstream wrestling after that.
They couldn't have pushed him anymore than they did.
He went as far as he could.
I think a big reason Hogans act became tired is because he lost all his size and his lack of opponents. Hogans act was getting squashed by a monster only to body slam them, kick out from their finisher, and win. Earthquake was the last monster. I think the same goes for Warrior. I think Rude was great and Mr. Perfect will always be my favorite. I think if Warrior was beating up on big monster foes instead of Randy Savage and Sgt. Slaughter he would have gone a whole lot further as the top guy. I was never a Warrior fan if I sound like I'm defending him. He just didn't have the right dance partners.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 27, 2019, 10:23:00 AM
Totally agree and McMahon set everything up for him when he won the title from Hogan to be the next great WWF champ and that fizzled  out bad as well.

I think a big reason Hogans act became tired is because he lost all his size and his lack of opponents. Hogans act was getting squashed by a monster only to body slam them, kick out from their finisher, and win. Earthquake was the last monster. I think the same goes for Warrior. I think Rude was great and Mr. Perfect will always be my favorite. I think if Warrior was beating up on big monster foes instead of Randy Savage and Sgt. Slaughter he would have gone a whole lot further as the top guy. I was never a Warrior fan if I sound like I'm defending him. He just didn't have the right dance partners.


Something else about Hogan, was there was seldom a “part II” to his feuds. Once he annihilated the monster heel, the program was over and it was onto the next monster of the month.

Guys like Flair CONSTANTLY revisited rivalries with the likes of Dusty, Funk, Steamboat, etc.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Playboy on March 28, 2019, 04:48:00 AM

Something else about Hogan, was there was seldom a “part II” to his feuds. Once he annihilated the monster heel, the program was over and it was onto the next monster of the month.

Guys like Flair CONSTANTLY revisited rivalries with the likes of Dusty, Funk, Steamboat, etc.
That's the formula that worked in the 80's leading into the early ninties for the WWF (then) at the time.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 28, 2019, 09:55:44 AM
That's the formula that worked in the 80's leading into the early ninties for the WWF (then) at the time.


Yep.
Unfortunately for Hulk, it simply wasn’t a long-range formula.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Playboy on March 29, 2019, 06:42:22 AM

Yep.
Unfortunately for Hulk, it simply wasn’t a long-range formula.
All good things eventually come to an end.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: cheftim on March 29, 2019, 08:26:10 AM
All good things eventually come to an end.
I truly believe Hogan could of gone much further with it if he stayed massive and had larger then life opponents. That Slaughter feud just went on too long for me. If he maintained his size and intensity during his interviews Hulkamania would have kept running wild.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 29, 2019, 08:39:13 AM
I truly believe Hogan could of gone much further with it if he stayed massive and had larger then life opponents. That Slaughter feud just went on too long for me. If he maintained his size and intensity during his interviews Hulkamania would have kept running wild.


He may have perhaps extended it, but I don’t think by much. A little more dimension to the act may have helped.

In that regard, I liken Hogan’s original (80’s) run to UW’s - the difference being Warrior reached his end a lot faster.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Hulkster on March 29, 2019, 06:13:47 PM
the biggest problem with Warrior's title run is they had nothing for him to do afterwards.

-he already beat the top guy and they wouldn't continue the program
-they put him up against Rude (who was awesome) but he was beaten easily by Warrior only a few months prior.
-they had him in tag matches with either Texas Tornado (vs rude/perfect) and with LOD against all 3 members of Demolition for months.

they had him sort of facing Dibiase and Perfect but they never established an actual feud at all with either one of them. no establishing sneak attack, no build up etc..

it was the WORST booking ever.

he should have been feuding with Savage over the title like they did in 92 right from the get go.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Humble Narcissist on March 30, 2019, 02:23:22 AM
The steroid scandal that hit the WWF had a huge impact as well.  Remember when Warrior lost all his muscle and started wearing the singlet with the Slim Goodbody drawn on muscles?


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 30, 2019, 03:04:26 AM
the biggest problem with Warrior's title run is they had nothing for him to do afterwards.

-he already beat the top guy and they wouldn't continue the program
-they put him up against Rude (who was awesome) but he was beaten easily by Warrior only a few months prior.
-they had him in tag matches with either Texas Tornado (vs rude/perfect) and with LOD against all 3 members of Demolition for months.

they had him sort of facing Dibiase and Perfect but they never established an actual feud at all with either one of them. no establishing sneak attack, no build up etc..

it was the WORST booking ever.

he should have been feuding with Savage over the title like they did in 92 right from the get go.


Those are all good points.
Do you think the booking limitations correlated UW's limitations in so far as what they could do with him/get out of him?

This isn't a knock; just an observation - Warrior most certainly did not have the same versatility as someone like Curt Hennig. We "criticize" Hogan for the same thing, and UW was (to me) a simpler version of Hulk.


Title: Re: So much awesome in just one picture
Post by: Montague on March 30, 2019, 03:15:03 AM
Bruce Prichard told a hilarious story on his podcast about UW's press slam.
He described the accepted method of hand positioning and opponent cooperation. He then described UW's technique in which he literally grabbed his opponent by the testicles, SQUEEZED, and muscled them up for the slam.

It sounded like Honky Tonk was one of the first main roster guys to which this happened. Prior to that, it had been mostly TV jobbers who weren't going to say anything and risk not being used again. Anyway, Honky went up to Hellwig after the match and said something like, "What the fuck was that shit? You do that to me again, and I'll rip your goddam eye out."

Prichard said Warrior just looked at Honky all confused and very innocently asked what was wrong. HTM pointed out the ball-crushing brutality of UW's finisher. Warrior simply said, "That's how I do it."
HTM replied, "Not on me!"


This is a good example of UW's unwillingness to improve/evolve, and why I don't think he ever reached his full potential. Had he made the effort to do just a few simple, basic things, he probably could have gone much farther, IMO.