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https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-economic-growth-gdp-first-quarter-2019
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::::What you WILL hear in the MSM today::::
Trump Says Mar-A-Lago Can’t Find US Workers To Hire. New Documents Show Dozens Applied.
He opted for the cheap immigrant labor....AGAIN.
Trump often says his resorts have no choice but to hire foreign guest workers — there just aren’t any Americans to take the jobs. But government records show nearly 60 US residents applied for those jobs, and only one was hired.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/mar-a-lago-rejected-dozens-of-americans-in-favor-of-foreign
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::::What you WILL hear in the MSM today::::
Trump Says Mar-A-Lago Can’t Find US Workers To Hire. New Documents Show Dozens Applied.
He opted for the cheap immigrant labor....AGAIN.
Trump often says his resorts have no choice but to hire foreign guest workers — there just aren’t any Americans to take the jobs. But government records show nearly 60 US residents applied for those jobs, and only one was hired.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/mar-a-lago-rejected-dozens-of-americans-in-favor-of-foreign
Buzzfeed was debunked as a news organization quite a while ago but I digress. “foreign guest workers”
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::::What you WILL hear in the MSM today::::
Trump Says Mar-A-Lago Can’t Find US Workers To Hire. New Documents Show Dozens Applied.
He opted for the cheap immigrant labor....AGAIN.
Trump often says his resorts have no choice but to hire foreign guest workers — there just aren’t any Americans to take the jobs. But government records show nearly 60 US residents applied for those jobs, and only one was hired.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/mar-a-lago-rejected-dozens-of-americans-in-favor-of-foreign
And why will you hear this instead of the economy? I’ll give you guess.
I post the GDP you post irrelevance
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Buzzfeed was debunked as a news organization quite a while ago but I digress. “foreign guest workers”
Illegals for more DEM votes. Also (Bernie) "lets get jailed terrorists and rapist/killers to vote, they have rights".
What a fuckin' goofy old retard. :-\
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So are you saying this Buzzfeed article is more than just false?? It's an outright lie?
is that what you are saying?
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This is from last year--from a different source.
Guess this is bullshit too huh?
--3 Trump properties posted 144 openings for seasonal jobs. Only one went to a US worker--
https://www.vox.com/2018/2/13/16466542/trump-h-2b-guest-workers
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From 2017---another bullshit source I guess-
The President has a dim view of extending visas to employees in the technology industry. But, when it comes to his club, it’s a different story.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/20/the-foreign-workers-of-mar-a-lago
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Vox, The New Yorker, hell just post something from CNN, MSLSD, Mother Jones and Slate and you’re almost complete and once again, it’s irrelevant because the left is getting destroyed by, at the very least, the economy.
I could probably name 20 other things but what good what it do?
The other day you ask me why I thought you supported socialism, it’s simple. If you’re against Trump you’re against capitalism, if you support the liberal/marixist left, you’re a socialist. Yes, it’s as simple as that. You can deny it but it’s obvious
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Vox, The New Yorker, hell just post something from CNN, MSLSD, Mother Jones and Slate and you’re almost complete and once again, it’s irrelevant because the left is getting destroyed by, at the very least, the economy.
I could probably name 20 other things but what good what it do?
The other day you ask me why I thought you supported socialism, it’s simple. If you’re against Trump you’re against capitalism, if you support the liberal/marixist left, you’re a socialist. Yes, it’s as simple as that. You can deny it but it’s obvious
Coach what are your feelings on the socialist based programs we have instituted today?
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I could probably name 20 other things but what good what it do? IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO LIST 20 GOOD THINGS HE'S DONE. i DARE TO TRY! PLEASE--GIMMIE 18--GIMMIE 15! hahah
The other day you ask me why I thought you supported socialism, it’s simple. If you’re against Trump you’re against capitalism,That's YOUR opinion if you support the liberal/marixist left, you’re a socialist. Yes, it’s as simple as that. You can deny it but it’s obvious
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It’s not my opinion. If you support the left you are in FACT, a socialist
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Coach what are your feelings on the socialist based programs we have instituted today?
Certain social programs are fine and a must but we’re not talking about that. We’re talking about socialism as the left are spouting.
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Let’s start with this then we can work to date
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/draft-complete-list-of-president-trumps-accomplishments-in-his-first-100-days/
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It’s not my opinion. If you support the left you are in FACT, a socialist
That's your hatred towards the left that makes you say that.
As I've told u before--I'm neither on the left or the right. Not a democrat nor a republican.
I identify with NO political groups Coach.
I have my own ideology and when I vote I find the best candidate that aligns with at least SOME of my opinions.
Trump had good ideas, but like everything else in life, his past indiscretions came back to bite him in the ass.
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::::What you WILL hear in the MSM today::::
Trump Says Mar-A-Lago Can’t Find US Workers To Hire. New Documents Show Dozens Applied.
He opted for the cheap immigrant labor....AGAIN.
Trump often says his resorts have no choice but to hire foreign guest workers — there just aren’t any Americans to take the jobs. But government records show nearly 60 US residents applied for those jobs, and only one was hired.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/mar-a-lago-rejected-dozens-of-americans-in-favor-of-foreign
And this affects you how?
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Let’s start with this then we can work to date
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/draft-complete-list-of-president-trumps-accomplishments-in-his-first-100-days/
ahahha
tHE VERY first thing on that list has since been PROVEN it was Obama's administration that started that wave and Trump had NOTHING to do with it.
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And this affects you how?
Doesn't.
Not one bit.
But it DOES affect some American possible workers for sure.
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That's your hatred towards the left that makes you say that.
As I've told u before--I'm neither on the left or the right. Not a democrat nor a republican.
I identify with NO political groups Coach.
I have my own ideology and when I vote I find the best candidate that aligns with at least SOME of my opinions.
Trump had good ideas, but like everything else in life, his past indiscretions came back to bite him in the ass.
Good
Don't be left, they are SCUM. Pedo sympathising, terrorist defending SCUM.
They also love burglars. SCUM. I fucking HATE Lefty SCUM
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As of Trump’s 100th day, we counted 492 false or misleading claims.
IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/?utm_term=.4d7ef0cd1c09
other--
– February 7, 2017 – Donald Trump stated the murder rate in America had reached a 47-year peak. This was not true. While there had been a slight increase in murders from 2014 to 2015, the murder rate for both years was still more than 40 percent lower than it had been 47 years ago. In 1970, there were nearly 8 murders per 100,000 people in America; in 2015, the latest year with full data collected by the FBI, that number had fallen to 4.9 murders per 100,000 people.
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Good
Don't be left, they are SCUM. Pedo sympathising, terrorist defending SCUM.
They also love burglars. SCUM. I fucking HATE Lefty SCUM
It's RIDICULOUS mean spirited opinions like this about a persons POLITICAL BELIEFS that drives me to align with NOBODY.
Scum?? You HATE lefty scum??
You could ACTUALLY HATE a person because they didn't vote the way you did?
Really? geeez...
Hate is such a strong emotion.
You know what I hate?
-child killers
-rapist
-serial killers
-terrorist
-those that abuse kids/ elderly
That's a NORMAL person's list of people they hate.
Not yours.
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ahahha
tHE VERY first thing on that list has since been PROVEN it was Obama's administration that started that wave and Trump had NOTHING to do with it.
Oh yeah. I love this. Let’s start with the economy. I haven’t been find ONE person and with some economic degrees from UCLA to tell me how this is even close to being Obama’s anything since Trump reversed almost everything Obama has implemented that wasn’t working is all of the working.
For someone not claiming a party affiliation you sure are backing the shit out of Obama and leftists. BTW, Krugman is a farce
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Obama averaged under 2% GDP for 8 years. Trump is above 3%. If Obama was averaging over 3% CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, and the rest would talk about it first for days. Trump has the lowest Black, Hispanic, Asian and Woman unemployment in history. Guys like Prudence cares more about feelings than results. This is when non factual labels come in like Trump is a racist for not wanting open borders. Thank God for video tape because we have Obama, Bill Clinton, and Schumer talking tougher on the border than Trump. The only difference is Trump wants to actually do something about it. Trump despite all the attacks has done incredible things for this country. Liberals don't realize they are being led by a few men that own the News providers listed above. A few men own all of social media. A few men own all the search engines. One common denominator is that they are all uber left liberals like most filthy rich people are.
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::::What you WILL hear in the MSM today::::
Trump Says Mar-A-Lago Can’t Find US Workers To Hire. New Documents Show Dozens Applied.
He opted for the cheap immigrant labor....AGAIN.
Trump often says his resorts have no choice but to hire foreign guest workers — there just aren’t any Americans to take the jobs. But government records show nearly 60 US residents applied for those jobs, and only one was hired.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/mar-a-lago-rejected-dozens-of-americans-in-favor-of-foreign
Wonderful!! You guys got him this time, for sure he'll be impeached and you'll finally get what you want! Yay you!!
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So if he had all Americans he'd be discriminatory, and a racist......if he hires immigrants, he's against American workers and wants cheap labor???
How does he win with the left?
Nevermind, that we have no idea what those positions pay for an immigrant vs. an American. Also, no one wants to acknowledge the facts that his club caters to an international clientele. We know that he has Asians working there, so it's not all hispanics. Also, FL has an extremely large number of immigrants in the first place. Anyone stop to think that being bi-lingual is a requirement, and most Americans are not? Of course not!!
Here's something else the msm will never cover..........UNTIL THEY HAVE TO....... https://democratdossier.com/dossier/
AND THEY WILL!!!!!!! 8)
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https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-economic-growth-gdp-first-quarter-2019
Damn, Coach, you wake up 5h30 in the morninh to read Fox News, before your High Fat breakfast!?
OMG, let alone the fact, that later in the Day you will drive looong 80 Miles to Golds Venice to train, hang and get the inside scoop on Dex and Charles Camp to Tampa Pro 2019, before adding a 300 plus extra dollars to your weekly gas fee
Coach, youre my Number 1 Hero :)
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Damn, Coach, you wake up 5h30 in the morninh to read Fox News, before your High Fat breakfast!?
OMG, let alone the fact, that later in the Day you will drive looong 80 Miles to Golds Venice to train, hang and get the inside scoop on Dex and Charles Camp to Tampa Pro 2019, before adding a 300 plus extra dollars to your weekly gas fee
Coach, youre my Number 1 Hero :)
Which is why I’ll always look better and be more informed than you.
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Obama averaged under 2% GDP for 8 years. Trump is above 3%. If Obama was averaging over 3% CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, Washington Post, and the rest would talk about it first for days. Trump has the lowest Black, Hispanic, Asian and Woman unemployment in history. Guys like Prudence cares more about feelings than results. This is when non factual labels come in like Trump is a racist for not wanting open borders. Thank God for video tape because we have Obama, Bill Clinton, and Schumer talking tougher on the border than Trump. The only difference is Trump wants to actually do something about it. Trump despite all the attacks has done incredible things for this country. Liberals don't realize they are being led by a few men that own the News providers listed above. A few men own all of social media. A few men own all the search engines. On common denominator is that they are all uber left liberals like most filthy rich people are.
Excellent post!
When it comes to the stuff on video, we also have Biden making fun of/disparaging muslims, AND him admitting that he's used his power while VP to get the prosecutor in the Ukraine fired that was investigating why the fuck his son Hunter was getting millions of dollars deposited into his bank account for doing jack shit. BTW, we're going to be hearing more and more about the Ukraine before 2020. ;) Russia was not the only one that meddled in our election that Obama's administration did nothing about! :-X
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So if he had all Americans he'd be discriminatory, and a racist......if he hires immigrants, he's against American workers and wants cheap labor???
How does he win with the left?
Nevermind, that we have no idea what those positions pay for an immigrant vs. an American. Also, no one wants to acknowledge the facts that his club caters to an international clientele. We know that he has Asians working there, so it's not all hispanics. Also, FL has an extremely large number of immigrants in the first place. Anyone stop to think that being bi-lingual is a requirement, and most Americans are not? Of course not!!
Here's something else the msm will never cover..........UNTIL THEY HAVE TO....... https://democratdossier.com/dossier/
AND THEY WILL!!!!!!! 8)
You can’t win with them but then again who cares. They’ve already made asses of themselves so now we just sit back and laugh.
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Which is why I’ll always look better and be more informed than you.
Im not a proud Natty, Coach, but you prolly look better than me, thats some truth right there
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Remember when Biden hopped on Airforce II to go to China to talk about trade and his son went along? Ten days later his son got a billion dollar deal with the Chinese. How about the Ukraine thing with his son? Remember when Biden talking about Obama's attributes and one of the things he said was he's a clean African American? Look at the video on Biden talking about Obama's attributes when he said this for yourself and not CNN's insane agenda spin on it.
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It’s not my opinion. If you support the left you are in FACT, a socialist communist.
Fixed.
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Remember when Biden hopped on Airforce II to go to China to talk about trade and his son went along? Ten days later his son got a billion dollar deal with the Chinese. How about the Ukraine thing with his son? Remember when Biden talking about Obama's attributes and one of the things he said was he's a clean African American? Look at the video on Biden talking about Obama's attributes when he said this for yourself and not CNN's insane agenda spin on it.
Theyre politics, they want the easy Cash. Its funny cause its always on the Dems.
So the Oil Companies that George W. Bush had over the years made very well because He was The President, or was it just a coincidence??
Im pretty sure Trump will also double his net, after 8 Years, which is fine with me, cause all of them are on it for the Money, and the Power..
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You can’t win with them but then again who cares. They’ve already made asses of themselves so now we just sit back and laugh.
That's how I thought it would be, and I did laugh at first Coach......
However, it's really disturbing and eye opening how brainwashed these people watching msm are that they are still saying the shit they're saying.....and they believe it! :o
Even more disturbing, is how the left wing media not only just refuses to admit they fucked up (props to the NYT's for doing so), but is further perpetuating the narrative. I watched ABC the morning of the release, and watched Maddow and CNN that night. I find it pretty telling about these propaganda stations and of their viewers, that they found it completely absurd that Barr.....a legal expert, could read it and come up with a conclusion in 48 hours, AND YET......within an hour of it being released ABC's Stephanopolis and his crew were experts on the whole thing. By that night, less than 8 hours later....Maddow, who stated that night she is not a lawyer also seemingly had read, and was offering conclusions on the whole thing too. ::) At the very least, they owe Barr an apology for mocking his ability to read and understand it in 2 full days, when they were able to do it right away. ::)
Most people will never bother to read it. I've read about 90 pages so far, and it took me 2 hours. It reads like one of the shittiest law class term papers I've ever read. Seriously, I took my biz law 1 & 2 classes at a community college to save money, and some of the worst projects at the end of each course were laid out and made better use of the IRAC method than this pile of shit. People hear "it's 448 page", and think of a small print book. This thing is like 11-14 font 1.5 spaced on 8.5x11 paper. And there's a shit load of breaks, spacing, and footnotes. It was minimally redacted, and NO executive privilege was used. Something no other president has done, and they are still attacking Trump and Barr for not being transparent. WTF? The delusion is just over the top man!
Also, the media is conveniently leaving out the fact that in more than one place in the report (again in just the first 90 pages I've read) it makes mention that the IRA/GRU were pulling for Bernie or Trump.......and this stuff started no later than 2014 which is well before Trump came into the fold. They were pulling for Bernie, because his ideals mirror theirs. They were pulling for Trump, because of his lack of political experience. Which one of those two should really be scary as fuck to people????
These people are fucking crazy! I just didn't understand how crazy until after it was finally released, and now I'm afraid of these people having the right to vote. They have no concern for the country. No concern with law and justice. They just do not like Trump. Period. They can't tell you why........they just do! :'( >:(
One great thing, is that these dumbfucks want to subpoena Mueller and see the unredacted version......which btw Barr offered to let 12 do in a secure area, and they refused. There's shit in there about Hillary, Obama, and the Ukraine. Judicial Watch has mentioned some of it. Just reading it myself, I can tell one of the main redactions is actually Huma Abadein (sp?) They are shooting themselves in the foot, and setting themselves up which I'm cool with. They just found Weiner's laptop in the WH, and it has like 40,000 of Hillary's deleted emails :o AND, guess who is included in the emails as testified to under oath by someone high up in the FBI or DOJ (can't remember who granted the FOIA?)? I'll give you all a hint. The person refers to killed Christians in Sri Lanka as "Easter Worshippers" :o :o :o :o
Shit is about to get really fucking messy. Wouldn't be surprised if the Clintons flee the country soon, and/or people start dying mysteriously.
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Certain social programs are fine and a must but we’re not talking about that. We’re talking about socialism as the left are spouting.
Gotcha.
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Remember when Biden hopped on Airforce II to go to China to talk about trade and his son went along? Ten days later his son got a billion dollar deal with the Chinese. How about the Ukraine thing with his son? Remember when Biden talking about Obama's attributes and one of the things he said was he's a clean African American? Look at the video on Biden talking about Obama's attributes when he said this for yourself and not CNN's insane agenda spin on it.
That's what I was referencing in my earlier post about the prosecutor in the Ukraine being fired. Biden is on tape bragging about it. "we leave in 6 hours. You're not getting your $1 billion unless he's fired.....wouldn't ya know it, a little bit later he's fired" Not only is Biden corrupt and creepy, but he's got a big fucking mouth!
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1st, Coach posts a link from a main stream media saying you won't hear this from mainstream media.. can't make this stuff up :)
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/26/gdp-q1-2019-first-read.html Not MSM?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/26/economy/us-gdp-report-q1/index.html Not MSM?
Stop being silly coach...
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All you would have to do would be to go through Trump's hundreds of regulatory cuts to reach that 20 good things he's done threshold very easily so that's a pretty bad argument.
Why is it that so many on this board that claim that they don't have political affiliation align so much with liberal ideology? Just come out and say it. Your posts show what you believe no matter what you claim you are.
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Oh yeah. I love this. Let’s start with the economy. I haven’t been find ONE person and with some economic degrees from UCLA to tell me how this is even close to being Obama’s anything since Trump reversed almost everything Obama has implemented that wasn’t working is all of the working.
Why does the person have to be from UCLA? Your hero Trump didn't go there.
Trump takes credit for the good economy. Here's what economists say
Did he help the stock market? Of course he did. Was it ALL his doing, with no 'trickle down' effect from the previous administration? It's been proven otherwise.
One great thing, is that these dumbfucks want to subpoena Mueller and see the unredacted version......which btw Barr offered to let 12 do in a secure area, and they refused.
First off it was NOT a fully redacted version--it was a "LESS" redacted version. Why only 12 people?? Why not the entire body of Congress? The offer Barr made was 12 people can see it, they can't have a copy and could not take the report out of that room or discuss it with other members of Congress WTF?? Why let them see it at all then? Pointless offer.
Question for you B_MyT---
Out of the 90 pages you've read--you see ABSOLUTELY nothing that looks-- just LOOKS like obstruction or collusion? Not one single entry in that entire report?
(serious question)
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::::What you WILL hear in the MSM today::::
Trump Says Mar-A-Lago Can’t Find US Workers To Hire. New Documents Show Dozens Applied.
He opted for the cheap immigrant labor....AGAIN.
Trump often says his resorts have no choice but to hire foreign guest workers — there just aren’t any Americans to take the jobs. But government records show nearly 60 US residents applied for those jobs, and only one was hired.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/mar-a-lago-rejected-dozens-of-americans-in-favor-of-foreign
This is a total bullshit article. I could tell a few paragraphs in with the sentence:
"Instead of giving jobs to local workers, the Trump properties applied for permission to bring in more than 375 low-wage workers from abroad on short-term visas."
First off, these are not low wage workers. You can't pay them less then the prevailing wage for the specific job they are applying for. That's the law. These programs are extremely tedious. I use the H2A program for my business. I actually have to pay an "adverse affect wage" to the workers I bring in. The min wage in FL is $8.40. I have to pay my guys $11.26 and provide food, housing and transportation. I also cannot just bring workers in without first offering jobs to domestic workers. I can only bring in workers after I prove there is a labor shortage in the job tasks i'm looking for.
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This is a total bullshit article. I could tell a few paragraphs in with the sentence:
"Instead of giving jobs to local workers, the Trump properties applied for permission to bring in more than 375 low-wage workers from abroad on short-term visas."
First off, these are not low wage workers. You can't pay them less then the prevailing wage for the specific job they are applying for. That's the law. These programs are extremely tedious. I use the H2A program for my business. I actually have to pay an "adverse affect wage" to the workers I bring in. The min wage in FL is $8.40. I have to pay my guys $11.26 and provide food, housing and transportation. I also cannot just bring workers in without first offering jobs to domestic workers. I can only bring in workers after I prove there is a labor shortage in the job tasks i'm looking for.
$11.26 in Florida is not that bad. Most workers here from Mexico and Brazil dosent even speak English.
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$11.26 in Florida is not that bad. Most workers here from Mexico and Brazil dosent even speak English.
It's great for the guys I bring in. They make $125-175 a day with free housing and food. In mexico they make $10 a day doing the same job.
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It's great for the guys I bring in. They make $125-175 a day with free housing and food. In mexico they make $10 a day doing the same job.
$175 a Day? Damn, where do I apply? :)
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$175 a Day? Damn, where do I apply? :)
haha. You'd have to pick vegetables in the FL sun for 10-11 hours a day. It's brutal work but someone has to do it.
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Why does the person have to be from UCLA? Your hero Trump didn't go there.
Trump takes credit for the good economy. Here's what economists say
Did he help the stock market? Of course he did. Was it ALL his doing, with no 'trickle down' effect from the previous administration? It's been proven otherwise.
First off it was NOT a fully redacted version--it was a "LESS" redacted version. Why only 12 people?? Why not the entire body of Congress? The offer Barr made was 12 people can see it, they can't have a copy and could not take the report out of that room or discuss it with other members of Congress WTF?? Why let them see it at all then? Pointless offer.
Question for you B_MyT---
Out of the 90 pages you've read--you see ABSOLUTELY nothing that looks-- just LOOKS like obstruction or collusion? Not one single entry in that entire report?
(serious question)
That video was a backfire and you obviously didn’t watch it. The markets first hit 26000 of January 2018, Goolsby is an Obama economist (who I actually like listening to when he’s on Fox) all of the critics since that video was made as of this date were proven wrong much like Krugman. If you want the real answer (and it hasn’t changed since that piece was made) go to the 8:30 mark. When I get back, I want YOu to explain how the this was Obama’s or even partly Obama’s economy when I ask you a few simple questions.
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So are you saying this Buzzfeed article is more than just false?? It's an outright lie?
is that what you are saying?
I am saying you are stupid. Just stupid. The kind of stupid that your parents had to explain away at family gatherings. What is it someone here said...You're so inbred I'm gonna have to call you sandwich?
You may have to think about that one for a bit, champ.
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1st, Coach posts a link from a main stream media saying you won't hear this from mainstream media.. can't make this stuff up :)
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/26/gdp-q1-2019-first-read.html Not MSM?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/26/economy/us-gdp-report-q1/index.html Not MSM?
Stop being silly coach...
I'm going to be honest in saying I did not click and read these links, but the ones I have read in msm so far last night and today all end up slamming Trump and/or give credit to Obama. That's absurd, and I quit reading them when I got that far. The only reason Obama had any "highs" was because of the housing/lending crisis rebound. We've never seen highs like we're seeing with Trump, and the stock market starting to climb was making the news right after he won. That was despite Obama still being in office a couple more months, not because of him being there then or prior.
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1st, Coach posts a link from a main stream media saying you won't hear this from mainstream media.. can't make this stuff up :)
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/26/gdp-q1-2019-first-read.html Not MSM?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/26/economy/us-gdp-report-q1/index.html Not MSM?
Stop being silly coach...
No one can fuck up on the economic numbers, it’s out there and it’s hard to spin. It’s the politics they spin. Economy wise, I like CNBC but usually go by IBD.
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Question for you B_MyT---
Out of the 90 pages you've read--you see ABSOLUTELY nothing that looks-- just LOOKS like obstruction or collusion? Not one single entry in that entire report?
(serious question)
First of all, I just have to say that I find it hysterical that we're such cynical assholes on this site daily that we have to include (serious question) every time we want to let it be know we are in fact being serious and curious to know how a person truly feels......that's not a slam in any way, as I do it all the time as well. ;D
To answer your question:
I haven't read since the 2nd day it came out, but I do plan to read the whole thing. I stated in my other post how it read, and that made me lose a bit of interest/vigor for reading it especially once I realized during the first day that the media was not going to let up. So I went to my notes I was taking....
In the first 90 pages.....NO! I don't see anything that looks like collusion or obstruction by Trump (keep in mind obstruction is not covered til part 2). I can see how someone would say otherwise that is totally invested in the collusion scheme though, as the beginning is written under the premise that collusion will be found and it's the whole reason for the investigation. I know this was supposedly an independent counsel investigation, but I don't see how anyone can objectively and honestly say that an investigation conducted by "Obama's FBI" that took over 2 years to reach a conclusion was actually unbiased. Cohen was interviewed as late as Nov 2018 according to the part I've read so far. Why? He was a proven liar by then. They wanted an answer to be what they wanted to hear, and the only reason we finally got a report was because Barr got put into place, and said "enough is enough....whip it out and show us what you got" (Tried to make that reader friendly for you to keep your interest ;))
P. 23 states that the IRA started in 2014 and posted critique of Killary b4 she even announced.
p. 27 @missournewsus posted pro-Sanders material (so I guess he colluded with the russians too then?)
p. 61 "Stone refused the offer, stating that Trump WOULD NOT pay for opposition research"
p. 62 "Ledeen began search for Clinton emails at the latest possible starting point in dec. 2015, which was long b4 Flynn's supposed request or Trump's statements" - not sure if I was paraphrasing that or those were word for word...not going back to reread right now.....just wanted to clarify. "Trump's statements" refers to "russia if you're listening" though. I remember that for certain.
p. 72 This is where I feel there's some shenanigans, but it's not Trump doing it. Mr. big shot fucktard new yorker cohen, and some other guy I didn't write down said something about "2 boys from brooklyn" being responsible for getting a president of the U.S. elected. If I'm being honest, if Cohen would have had more stroke or as much as he thought he did there likely would have been some collusion. He's a scummy little fuck that strives on power, and being a mover and shaker. He kept trying to make things happen, and was continually put in his place.
p. 73 more illustration of cohen being a dipshit. Couldn't even send a fucking email to the right address when trying to email Klokov about Trump Tower project, and getting russian officials involved. He did not even know klokov.....just reached out trying to be the shit. Sent "follow-on emails" referencing a "near-term trip"....what douche uses that language? He was not authorized, and Trump's schedule didn't allow for such a visit, nor was Trump interested as on p. 78 it states that Trump turned down the St. Petersburg business conference invite. BTW, even in follow up interviews into 2018 Cohen still thought Klokov was a former olympic lifter he had found researching background of the russian official's name to correspond in emails......wrong person!!!
p. 79 I'd have to go back to read who it was, but I wrote down "early private channel" between putin and george w. bush. This was in reference to someone from russia trying to show that they would be worth having on board team Trump. Hmmmmm.......so this type of stuff is not new??? Anyway, it never happened with Trump.
That's as far as I got. When I say I read 90 pages, I'm talking about in PDF view. I think p. 91 in pdf view is p. 79 or so of the actual report page numbers where I left off.
So you tell me where there's any collusion in that?
Serious question.....have you read, or are you reading the report for yourself or are you just going along with what the media is telling you?
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No one can fuck up on the economic numbers, it’s out there and it’s hard to spin. It’s the politics they spin. Economy wise, I like CNBC but usually go by IBD.
will you at least admit you were wrong about MSM mentioning it? I mean, I did post 2 examples in addition to the example you posted...
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p. 61 "Stone refused the offer, stating that Trump WOULD NOT pay for opposition research"
Roger Stone said so??? Stone who was accused of LYING and witness tampering said so? As you said about Cohen applies here too: 'a PROVEN liar'
Trump calls Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting with Russian lawyer 'opposition research'
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/13/donald-trump/475459001/
p. 72 This is where I feel there's some shenanigans, but it's not Trump doing it. Mr. big shot fucktard new yorker cohen, and some other guy I didn't write down said something about "2 boys from brooklyn" being responsible for getting a president of the U.S. elected. If I'm being honest, if Cohen would have had more stroke or as much as he thought he did there likely would have been some collusion. He's a scummy little fuck that strives on power, and being a mover and shaker. He kept trying to make things happen, and was continually put in his place. It's actually page 80 but you have to go to page 79 so you can see exactly WHO Cohen is speaking with. It's Felix Sater-" “Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” wrote Sater. “I will get all of [Vladimir] Putins [sic] team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.… I will get Putin on this program and we will get Donald elected.” So Cohen built up this relationship with Sater all on his own accord?? Of course not. Sater was an EMPLOYEE of Trump's for 10 years
even though Trump lied and said he didn't know who he was.
p. 73 more illustration of cohen being a dipshit. Couldn't even send a fucking email to the right address when trying to email Klokov about Trump Tower project, and getting russian officials involved. He did not even know klokov.....just reached out trying to be the shit. Sent "follow-on emails" referencing a "near-term trip"....what douche uses that language? He was not authorized, and Trump's schedule didn't allow for such a visit, nor was Trump interested as on p. 78 it states that Trump turned down the St. Petersburg business conference invite. BTW, even in follow up interviews into 2018 Cohen still thought Klokov was a former olympic lifter he had found researching background of the russian official's name to correspond in emails......wrong person!!!Well not exactly. First off the CORRECT Klokov emailed Ivanka FIRST--she forwarded it to Cohen. The way you described it, it seems like he did that all on his own. He didn't. Here's what the letter said: "“If you ask anyone who knows Russian to google my husband Dmitry Klokov, you’ll see who he is close to and that he has done Putin’s political campaigns.” . You don't find it interesting she would forward such a letter to him? CLEARLY she wanted to know what she had to OFFER.
So you tell me where there's any collusion in that?You tell me how you don't see SOME.
Serious question.....have you read, or are you reading the report for yourself or are you just going along with what the media is telling you?
Every fucken letter of it. More than me just disliking Trump and his racist homophobic ways, I really like a good spy story.
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Every fucken letter of it. More than me just disliking Trump and his racist homophobic ways, I really like a good spy story.
Trump is not racist or homophobic.
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No?
Okay.
Many many people see it otherwise.
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Everyone's racist these days according to MSM and Dem's.
Its the same as its always been, nothing different except it being shoved down everyones throat in MSM.
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Pssst...Coach?? How ya doing babe?? You good over there in sunny California??
If Trump deserves credit for a roaring stock market, then Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan do as well. In fact, all of them presided over more total record highs in the S&P 500 Index (^GSPC) than Trump has so far.
An article that was posted in the political section here. But don't read it...it's from Yahoo. Everybody knows Yahoo full of a bunch of shill's working for the Dems..
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-total-stock-market-wins-lag-other-presidents-175830205.html
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But wait!
There's more for ya Coach...go get some:
Conway Overstates Economic Growth
The U.S. does not currently have economic “growth over 4 percent,” as White House counselor Kellyanne Conway claimed recently.
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/04/conway-overstates-economic-growth/
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But wait!
There's more for ya Coach...go get some:
Conway Overstates Economic Growth
The U.S. does not currently have economic “growth over 4 percent,” as White House counselor Kellyanne Conway claimed recently.
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/04/conway-overstates-economic-growth/
Don’t burden me with left bias “fact check” sites. The only ones that really use them anymore are.....leftist “news” outlets.
You do understand that for the most part Obama created a false economy, right?
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You do understand that for the most part Obama created a false economy, right?
Coach, just because you say it doesn't make it so. It's a THEORY that he created a false economy. That's all it is.
While I'm no fan of Obama (or any President ever for that matter} I happen to agree with what he said here:
"When you hear how great the economy's doing right now, let's just remember when this recovery started,” Obama said on Friday in a speech that marked his first foray into the upcoming elections. "I mean, I'm glad it's continued, but when you hear about this economic miracle that's been going on, when the job numbers come out, monthly job numbers, suddenly Republicans are saying it's a miracle. I have to kind of remind them, actually, those job numbers are the same as they were in 2015 and 2016."
See Coach--what that is ---that's called a VERIFIABLE F A C T . See the difference?
WAS THE ECONOMY STRUGGLING WHEN TRUMP TOOK OFFICE?
"Absolutely not. Trump inherited a booming economy with low unemployment and steady job growth — an easy win on day one — and he quickly claimed credit. Early in his presidency, Trump boasted about job gains starting from his election onward, crediting Obama's final months as his own.
“If the Democrats got in with their agenda in November of almost two years ago, instead of having 4.2 up, I believe honestly you'd have 4.2 down,” Trump said Friday night, speaking of GDP growth. “It was the weakest recovery in the history of our country since, I guess, to be totally specific, because I'm not sure they've gone any further, since the Great Depression.”
WHAT THE FUCK IS HE EVEN TALKING ABOUT??
It is extremely unlikely that the GDP could ever have been negative 4.2 percent no matter who was elected in 2016. At the height of the 2009 recession, GDP was at -2.5 percent. It has not been at or above -4.2 percent in 86 years."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-economy-booming-who-gets-credit-trump-or-obama-n908286
Again--I'm NOT saying he's done nothing--what I am saying is he's done less than he's taking credit for.
Typical Trump move.
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So since the economy WASN'T struggling when he took office--where is the false economy?
Site sources.
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Coach, just because you say it doesn't make it so. It's a THEORY that he created a false economy. That's all it is.
While I'm no fan of Obama (or any President ever for that matter} I happen to agree with what he said here:
"When you hear how great the economy's doing right now, let's just remember when this recovery started,” Obama said on Friday in a speech that marked his first foray into the upcoming elections. "I mean, I'm glad it's continued, but when you hear about this economic miracle that's been going on, when the job numbers come out, monthly job numbers, suddenly Republicans are saying it's a miracle. I have to kind of remind them, actually, those job numbers are the same as they were in 2015 and 2016."
See Coach--what that is ---that's called a VERIFIABLE F A C T . See the difference?
WAS THE ECONOMY STRUGGLING WHEN TRUMP TOOK OFFICE?
"Absolutely not. Trump inherited a booming economy with low unemployment and steady job growth — an easy win on day one — and he quickly claimed credit. Early in his presidency, Trump boasted about job gains starting from his election onward, crediting Obama's final months as his own.
“If the Democrats got in with their agenda in November of almost two years ago, instead of having 4.2 up, I believe honestly you'd have 4.2 down,” Trump said Friday night, speaking of GDP growth. “It was the weakest recovery in the history of our country since, I guess, to be totally specific, because I'm not sure they've gone any further, since the Great Depression.”
WHAT THE FUCK IS HE EVEN TALKING ABOUT??
It is extremely unlikely that the GDP could ever have been negative 4.2 percent no matter who was elected in 2016. At the height of the 2009 recession, GDP was at -2.5 percent. It has not been at or above -4.2 percent in 86 years."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/fact-check-economy-booming-who-gets-credit-trump-or-obama-n908286
Again--I'm NOT saying he's done nothing--what I am saying is he's done less than he's taking credit for.
Typical Trump move.
It’s a “theory?” Lol
You just started learning and following the economy with the start of this thread didn’t you?
Now, use your common sense and btw, I love listening to and learning from economists and learning about economics because it does affect me as a business owner. So let’s pick up where we left off yesterday.
The one question Obama supporters and most economists that are pro-Obama cant answer is....how can you create a thriving economy when you put regulation after regulation tax after tax on small business and large corporations that affect bottom lines and drive those out of the country and killing jobs at the same time? How can you create a socialist, unconstitutional healthcare system that eliminates competition that literally drives up health care costs and in some cases (like mine) triple of what people were paying before not to mention a mandated “fine” which is really a tax or as I call it, blackmail that people have to pay if they cannot afford or don’t flat out want to have healthcare coverage?
^^^^
We’ll start there and that’s just a fraction of what very few can answer. Notice I didn’t copy and paste or take from some bullshit “fact check” site. I’ve said this before, take away your google and you’re lost.
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So you don't use Google? All of these ingenious posts and 'facts' are from your head? The fuck out of here. Get off your fucking pedestal and talk to me like any other fucking concerned citizen who uses the internet to get facts. Fuck you. It was normal banter--back and forth--you posted ur opinion and I did mine. Who the fuck are you kidding Coach?? Fuck off and fuck you.
I enjoyed interacting with you here as I do with EVERYBODY. The gay haters included. I deal with all of you assholes here that cast judgement on me--doesn't bother me one fucking bit. I bring some of it on myself. I just don't see the point in talking to such a condescending know it all piece of shit like you any longer. I've never said that about anybody on this site--not even to the worst of em here. It's the internet
You're ruining my Getbig experience.hahahha
SO--yeah Coach---fuck off.
( Also--I wrote that all by myself with no Googling involved! yay!)
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So you don't use Google? All of these ingenious posts and 'facts' are from your head? The fuck out of here. Get off your fucking pedestal and talk to me like any other fucking concerned citizen who uses the internet to get facts. Fuck you. It was normal banter--back and forth--you posted ur opinion and I did mine. Who the fuck are you kidding Coach?? Fuck off and fuck you.
I enjoyed interacting with you here as I do with EVERYBODY. The gay haters included. I deal with all of you assholes here that cast judgement on me--doesn't bother me one fucking bit. I bring some of it on myself. I just don't see the point in talking to such a condescending know it all piece of shit like you any longer. I've never said that about anybody on this site--not even to the worst of em here. It's the internet
You're ruining my Getbig experience.hahahha
SO--yeah Coach---fuck off.
( Also--I wrote that all by myself with no Googling involved! yay!)
I will concede that the first part of my post was condescending and I apologize for that but let’s face it, almost every thread you’re posting is shitting on Trump and it gets old not just from you but everyone. I never said I didn’t use google once in a while, I do but not for everything simply because in most cases you’re going to see the MSM links generally on the first, second and sometimes third pages and it’s basically all the same Trump hating bullshit.
However, my questions regarding how this could possibly translate from Obama especially since the economy REALLY started turning was soon after he rolled back and eliminated Obama’s policies. Those questions I felt weren’t condescending.
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Trump is not racist or homophobic.
It depends what constitutes racism. Whether or not we are defining racism as internalized or externalized states.
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Pssst...Coach?? How ya doing babe?? You good over there in sunny California??
If Trump deserves credit for a roaring stock market, then Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan do as well. In fact, all of them presided over more total record highs in the S&P 500 Index (^GSPC) than Trump has so far.
An article that was posted in the political section here. But don't read it...it's from Yahoo. Everybody knows Yahoo full of a bunch of shill's working for the Dems..
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-total-stock-market-wins-lag-other-presidents-175830205.html
Did you bother to click the link?
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Every fucken letter of it. More than me just disliking Trump and his racist homophobic ways, I really like a good spy story.
I'm not going to get into a big pissing match with you about this. Your mind is made up, and you want to see what you want to see. Your final statement tells me as such, and it also pretty much confirms you are who I thought you were along with some other clues I've noticed the past couple weeks while I couldn't post. Welcome to the political debates though! 8)
A couple things I'll touch on though. &guy Stone did not say that...it was Olkyansky's testimony about the situation. He said that Stone said that. It wasn't Stone claiming he did.
As for the page number thing maybe there's different versions? That's not really what I mean, but I don't know how to say it. :-\ When I give page numbers I'm giving the numbers actually at the bottom of the pages. Page 73 is page 81 in my PDF viewer, and you're saying it's p. 80 on yours.....I have no explanation for that ??? I think I got mine off of a yahoo story link that led to another news site IIRC.
I got the Klokov thing messed up about the email. It was Ivanka that forwarded the email to cohen like you said, but so what? How the fuck is that collusion? First of all nothing ever came of it at all, and secondly don't you think that Hillary's team had people offering to help as well? It's an election for the most powerful position in the world. We meddle in every election that we can, and start wars to "spread democracy" and you're up in arms about an email from a lady that said google my husband because Ivanka forwarded it? I guarantee you Bernie probably got some offers for help as well since the IRA/GRU was pro-Sanders as well during the primaries.
You're also right about cohen getting in touch with klokov, but again it was nothing. The email fumble I was referring to was with the russian dude preskov or something like that, and cohen did initiate that on his own. As for the thing with Sater, yeah I agree those two dipshits were trying to be "Naw Yarkaz" and thought they'd be cool if they made something happen.....movers and shakers those two baffoons.......problem is nothing came of it. They talk like 14 year old mobsters.....total douchebags!
You know a lot about Trump, and you're not dumb. You know damn well that Donald probably knew very little of the details of his campaign people were doing. He's the marketing guy, and ultimate decision maker, but he delegates ...and YES wrongfully so to some dipshits. I don't think you can be a businessman in NY for that many years, and not be surrounded by filth, do you? Politics is new to him, and I do think he made some bad decisions in who to bring with him on his team.......I WILL GIVE U THAT! It's part of the problem in his administration too. That's the reason for all the turnover. He thought he could trust certain people, and learned they are swamp creatures. Behind the scenes, Nielsen was really working against him by most accounts. Hopefully, he's learned from all of this and will start going for loyalty by action not by words alone.
That's about as far as I can go with it not having read the whole thing yet, but the outcome and what I've read so far are the same........He didn't collude at all dude! Let it go! If you're really so into spy thrillers, and who-dunnits then......https://democratdossier.com/ ,Judicial Watch, and project veritas' YT channels should keep your interest for the next couple years likely.
Seriously "Prudence", you're going to vote for Trump anyway so why let these thoughts about him being racist/homophobe get in the way? BTW, you left out a key accusation there ;)
Show/tell me how Trump is a racist or anti-gay.....I don't want emotional drama feeling shit. I want where he's oppressed someone for being gay or black! Those are horrible things to say about a person that you don't know personally so back it up! It's kinda fucked up that a gay man would judge someone like that when what you guys bitch about is being generalized, and not given a chance to see the real you. Just sayin....
Every fucking successful rapper practically has lyrics in one of their songs or has made reference in interviews to Trump in a positive light before he came down the escalator. How did he suddenly become a racist to all of them? And while you're explaining that, please come up with an explanation of how/why Jay Z's skin tone keeps getting less black, cuz that shit's really confusing? ???
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You're also right about cohen getting in touch with klokov, but again it was nothing. The email fumble I was referring to was with the russian dude preskov or something like that, and cohen did initiate that on his own. As for the thing with Sater, yeah I agree those two dipshits were trying to be "Naw Yarkaz" and thought they'd be cool if they made something happen.....movers and shakers those two baffoons.......problem is nothing came of it. They talk like 14 year old mobsters.....total douchebags!That's twice you said "but nothing came of it". All parts of the puzzle.
You know a lot about Trump, and you're not dumb. You know damn well that Donald probably knew very little of the details of his campaign people were doing.NO--I don't agree with that AT ALL. There are a ton of reports from current and former associates and high level employees that said NOTHING gets done unless approved by HIM. . . He's the marketing guy, and ultimate decision maker, but he delegates ...and YES wrongfully so to some dipshits. I don't think you can be a businessman in NY for that many years, and not be surrounded by filth, do you? Trump was the filth in NYC. He's been involved in LITERALLY over 3500 court cases. It was KNOWN that if you do contracting work for Trump--there's a good chance he wont pay the agreed amount or not at all. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dozens-of-lawsuits-accuse-trump-of-not-paying-his-bills-reports-claim
https://democratdossier.com/ Will 100% check it out. I'm pretty sure you know I will when I say it.
Show/tell me how Trump is a racist or anti-gay.....I don't want emotional drama feeling shit. You would never get an emotional response when it comes to my opinions on gay/ straight relations. To some being gay isn't norman. Some of those people aren't homophobes either. They are passively 'pro gay'--which is good enough for me. Come on--the gay guys that get all pissy about how straight guys think they're disgusting is ridiculous. OF COURSE straight guys think gay sex is disgusting! There aren't too many 'straight' men that can watch two guy sucking and fucking and NOT be grossed the fuck out. Why that fact bothers some gay guys is beyond me.
How is Trump a homophobe--the clearest example I can give is his ban on trans folks in the military. But lets see this 3 second Google search yields (FOR SIMPLICITY PURPOSES ONLY
Saying it’s legal to fire workers for being transgender.
--Arguing in court that it’s legal to fire workers for being gay.
--Making transgender female prisoners live with male prisoners.
--Telling the Supreme Court that shopkeepers can turn away LGBTQ customers.
--Withdrawing Title IX protections for transgender students.
--Refusing to investigate anti-transgender discrimination complaints in public schools.
--Fighting to kick transgender people out of the military.
--Issuing a religious liberty policy to give government workers and contractors a loophole to ignore federal bans on discrimination against women and LGBTQ people.
--Declining to appoint an LGBTQ liaison for the White House.
--Protecting health care workers who don’t help transgender patients.
--Dropping its lawsuit against North Carolina’s anti-transgender law.
--Retracting plans to count LGBTQ people in the Census.
--No longer pressuring foreign governments not to imprison or otherwise persecute their citizens just for being LGBTQ.
--Not allowing employees of international NGOs and government agencies to bring their LGBTQ partners to the United States unless they’re legally married — even in cases where same-sex marriage is illegal for those employees.
See how I got there? Racist??? Trump NOT Racist? Hmm... to ME (and others)more than being for homeland security, a HUGE fucking chunk of his need for the wall is specifically to keep brown people out.
Remember now--I grew up in NYC and have as I pointed out on a different thread, diskled him for 20 years before he became famous--just like everybody else in NYC. He was sued by the Dept of Justice for violating the Fair Housing Act. Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
The shit with the Central Park Five is about AS CLEAR AS IT GETS.
1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.
Every fucking successful rapper practically has lyrics in one of their songs or has made reference in interviews to Trump in a positive light before he came down the escalator. How did he suddenly become a racist to all of them? "ALL" of them?? I thought it was just Kayne West--but I dunno, I listen to real music--The Grateful Dead. And while you're explaining that, please come up with an explanation of how/why Jay Z's skin tone keeps getting less black, cuz that shit's really confusing? ??? Who? All I know about him is his wife is really hot and he's known to have like a 10 inch big black dick.
I could go on and on with that too.
His comments on Charlottesville???
His saying that Robert E Lee was a great man???
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I could go on and on with that too.
His comments on Charlottesville???
His saying that Robert E Lee was a great man???
What comments on Charlottesville?
Robert E Lee was a great man, do you disagree?
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I'm not even gonna answer that because your trolling for no real good reason.
You know exactly where I'm coming from.
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I could go on and on with that too.
His comments on Charlottesville???
His saying that Robert E Lee was a great man???
Jay Z has lyrics that talk about living like Trump....so do many others. It's been posted on the net, and I'm pretty sure on here. I know for sure one song of Jay Z's was posted on here that put the private talk of being able to "grab them by the pussy" to shame....Jay Z is celebrated for those lyrics, and Trump is damned for talking about how groupies are with celebrities. I've talked about the story with meeting Poison as a kid......bitches throw themselves at these guys just to say they had a 5 minute romp. They're pathetic creatures, and they exist. To act like what he was saying was about an every day good woman of any character and morals is just absurd. It's hearing what you want to hear, and nothing more.
The other stuff you posted to deem him racist proves nothing. I don't know about that case. How do we know that if those 5 people were white he wouldn't feel the same way? Many people to this day still think Gary Conduit (sp?) is the person that killed his intern.......he's not. To my knowledge he was cleared, but people still accuse and/or don't believe him of being totally innocent. Likely, many of those people are not white, but that's not racist of them. It never is ::)
As for the gay stuff, just going to copy and paste...
Saying it’s legal to fire workers for being transgender.
--Arguing in court that it’s legal to fire workers for being gay. (Trump did, or his lawyers? What were the circumstances? Did they infringe on or make straight customers, tenants, co-workers uncomfortable or feel violated/harrassed somehow? There are a lot of sick and inconsiderate gay people, just like there are a lot of sick and inconsiderate straight ones. Both should be fired. I'd like to know more...)
--Making transgender female prisoners live with male prisoners. (THEY ARE NOT FEMALES!)
--Telling the Supreme Court that shopkeepers can turn away LGBTQ customers. (Trump doesn't get to tell the Supreme Court what to do. Private businesses have the right to do whatever the fuck they want. If a gay cake company only marketed to gay couples, and refused to to straight events; not a single gay person would side with the straight people....in fact they'd cheer the company, and jeer the straights. You know that is 100% true)
--Withdrawing Title IX protections for transgender students. (admittedly have no idea what that is, but did he do it or the courts? Either way opinion to follow..)
--Refusing to investigate anti-transgender discrimination complaints in public schools. (When did Trump become LE?)
--Fighting to kick transgender people out of the military. (In combat...good)
--Issuing a religious liberty policy to give government workers and contractors a loophole to ignore federal bans on discrimination against women and LGBTQ people. (Admittedly, no clue what you're talking about?)
--Declining to appoint an LGBTQ liaison for the White House. (How many other Presidents had one? What purpose do they serve? He's made a lot of cuts. What the fuck does an LGB liaison do for our nation and government? Let the administration know that gay's are people too? I think we've known, and practiced that for a couple decades now)
--Protecting health care workers who don’t help transgender patients. (?)
--Dropping its lawsuit against North Carolina’s anti-transgender law. (To go into any bathroom they choose based on how they're feeling?....GOOD!)
--Retracting plans to count LGBTQ people in the Census. (What purpose does that serve? Actually, I'd think you all would be pissed if it were on there! 100% serious...if I was gay, I'd be pissed and offended if I found out that was going to be on there. I question everything the government does, and would be very leery of them knowing my proclivities. I don't think a question about a person's sexuality, and especially gender confusion is appropriate in any way. I do think how many illegals is not only appropriate, but constitutionally necessary for the appropriate amount of U.S. citizens to be represented in Congress properly....so should you! Do you?)
--No longer pressuring foreign governments not to imprison or otherwise persecute their citizens just for being LGBTQ. (The middle east is the only place that happens. You think are men and women are going to go to fight a war over muslims throwing gays off of buildings? "Some things" and "some people" will never change. If you're gay you should be smart enough to either get the hell out of those countries b4 flying your pride flag, or just not go there. No one cares about people that start shit. The freedoms you have here do not apply throughout the world. It is not the job of our government to change their beliefs. Let's be real here Prudence, anything Obama did in that regard was just fluff and posturing.
He did nothing of real value for the gay community)
--Not allowing employees of international NGOs and government agencies to bring their LGBTQ partners to the United States unless they’re legally married — even in cases where same-sex marriage is illegal for those employees. (I don't know what an NGO is? The last part of what you're saying is confusing to me...did you mistype? Anyway, if they are not married than why should they be allowed to bring them here? Would a foreigner who migrates here be allowed to bring their boyfriend/girlfriend along with them? NO...so that is not discriminatory)
The reason I keep striking through the T and trans shit, is that I just don't give a fuck about their cause or beliefs other than giving them proper mental health care. They make up .3% of the population, and are taking up way to much $ and time to accommodate. It's also becoming trendy, which is just fucking weird and creepy and shows how mental those people are. You have Scar Jo now saying her 7 year old is trans, parents wanting that as a choice at birth or no choice at all, parents and drs. giving hormone blockers and hormones to kids that are not fully physically or mentally developed, and men wanting to use women's bathrooms........SORRY, BUT NOOOOOO!!!!!! 100% NOOOOOO......to all of that fucking nonsense.
The only thing in that part I care about, and would like you to elaborate on when it comes to trans is the part about nurses not providing care because they are trans???? That's fucked up if it is standard care, but if it's about forcing a nurse to clean a fake vagina or participating in cock removal surgery; my level of give shit is zero. I'm not saying trans people don't have human rights, I'm saying they don't deserve any special rights other than needing psychiatric help. I'm not sorry if that offends you or anyone else. I'm 100% supportive of gays being protected from harassment, but I am 100% against those that start shit, try to make it seem like it's normal, force feed it down America's throat, or use it as an excuse for everything bad that happens or every bad choice THEY MAKE in life. It has become the new race card, and that card has divided our nation enough.
This is more than I wanted to type, but it comes back to the question that you and "others" I've asked will never answer.....besides the ability to marry, what has improved in your life as a gay person since 2000ish when gay became pretty widely accepted and harassment laws were put in place? TV shows like Modern Family? YIPPEE!
Lastly, the Charlottesville thing....gotta admit, I'm pretty ignorant on the whole thing. I just saw a lot of rioting and antifa masks, and then sound bites. I know what you're referring to about Trump's comment about "some good people on both sides", but I have never seen the whole speech and don't know the entire background of it. I don't know if those comments were made as a speech on the matter, or if it was a spur of the moment reaction to a question. Either way, I'll keep it 100 and say that he chose poor words about the matter. I don't think anyone that was rioting, hurting people, and destroying property was being a good person that day. Beyond that I just know that a lot of statues, and history in that part of the country are being destroyed and I've seen whites and blacks saying that is fucked up. I'm not saying it's good or bad history......you read and see different things that say motives/reasons/actions were this, that, and the other back then. I'm honest enough to say that having never lived in that part of the country it was not something that was taught in my k-12 experience, and the confederacy is nothing I've ever really looked into. I just know I loved Dukes of Hazzard a shit ton as a kid......still do, and when I think of "General Lee" the first thing that comes to mind is a big orange dodge challenger flying off a hill with two dudes yelling "YEE HAAAWW!!"
At some point you have to admit that people are taking this "I'm offended" shit way too far, and it is destroying our nation. I'm very pleased to see you being honest about understanding the being grossed out thing. Look, I had a girlfriend in my late teens that was a fucking nympho and saw a relationship as being attached at the hip. If we were hanging out and talking, and she had to pee she say come with me so we can keep talking.......and it became a bit of a thing. Golden shower/chicks pissing vids make me chuckle, and make me think of happy times. TMI, but I don't give a fuck.....the point is that most others think it's disgusting, but I'm not on a crusade to convince anyone seeing that and being turned on is the norm. It's also part of the reason that I'm so opposed to this tranny / "gender fluid" being able to go into any bathroom they want. You're just opening the door (literally) to people with a perversion going into a place they don't belong to get their rocks off under the disguise of them being different and needing to be protected. You piss and shit behind the door that is labeled with the sex you were born in public and at work. PERIOD! Those people are fucking whack jobs, and if I had a daughter I'd knock a mutha fucker out for trying to go into the women's bathroom while my child was in there......legal or not!
P.S. - Beyonce is not hot in any way, shape, or form without designer clothes and lot's of make up artists......even then it's debatable. Way to bring things back around to the size of Jay Z's dick at the end ::) You just can't help yourself......and that my friend is what makes straight people uneasy around you guys. Not all (I've known a good #), but most are never able to be "just one of the guys".
P.P.S.- There is no such thing as homophobia. Stop using that word. It's absurd. What you described initially about being grossed out is 100% accurate. Being disgusted, and having a phobia are two very different terms. Anti-gay or gay haters would be much more appropriate, and I don't think the overwhelming majority of Americans are either one of those things. Life and this country are as divided, hateful, mean, etc. as you want to see it......the media is certainly not helping gays or minorities view. In your daily life, does what you see on the national news mirror what you see locally?
It doesn't for me........not even remotely. Maybe my lens is skewed cuz I grew up with skaters, and then in the gym? It's something I've thought of in trying to understand all the outrage I see on the national news, and the internet. In all fairness, both are misfit brigades, and have a mentality that as long as you're one of us and respectful of one another you're all good. Everyone I know in those circles would stand up and throw fists (or swing skateboard decks :D) for each other in a second regardless of orientation or skin tone. Maybe I just got lucky in picking those activities that surrounded me with those types of people... 8)
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Well fuck me....that turned out way longer than it seemed to be while typing :o
I doubt Prudence will have any further questions. ;D
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Im running out the door right now--ill deal with you later Sir.
I didnt read it yet, but look forward to it.
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Im running out the door right now--ill deal with you later Sir.
I didnt read it yet, but look forward to it.
No worries. I'm late for the gym now because of that. LOL!
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Holy long posts in this thread lol.
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So are you saying this Buzzfeed article is more than just false?? It's an outright lie?
is that what you are saying?
they published a fake "piss" story about Trump a couple years ago made up by 4chan trolls... they also made up statements on the Mueler investigation...which even a person on that team said it was false...so yes they have no credibility just like CNN..
I can see 240 has yet another gimmick ...jesus Christ.,. first time ive been on here close to a year and I can smell your HIV coming out of your pores
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Holy long posts in this thread lol.
It's a discussion board. Might as well have a real discussion from time to time. I'm sick of all the bitching with no trying to find a middle ground, and hating just for the sake of hating. (I'm referring to America in general, not Prudence specifically)
Both of us are being respectful, and speaking what we believe is true so far.....so no harm, no foul. If it's "TL:DR" for anyone, just don't read it.
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^ TL; DR
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they published a fake "piss" story about Trump a couple years ago made up by 4chan trolls... they also made up statements on the Mueler investigation...which even a person on that team said it was false...so yes they have no credibility just like CNN..
I can see 240 has yet another gimmick ...jesus Christ.,. first time ive been on here close to a year and I can smell your HIV coming out of your pores
They are fucking crazy! How anyone watches, let alone puts any stock into what that sociopathic bi-polar Maddow "chick" spews blows my mind. She might be the most delusional person ever in the newstainment world....that's saying a lot when you consider the group on "the view" is in that group.
Tim Pool just put out a great video about her getting roasted on her own twitter. So far her "death by algorithm" tweet that's mention with the ownings is still up...
https://twitter.com/maddow/status/1122222811249086465
FWIW, I don't believe Prudence is 240 or SF like everyone else is guessing. I'll never say who I think it is even if he pm'd me and said I was right, but I've dropped him some easter eggs, and it's telling which ones he acknowledges and which ones he passes over. Maybe I'm way off, and everyone else is right. If everyone learns the truth, it won't be from me either way. :-X
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Jay Z has lyrics that talk about living like Trump....so do many others. It's been posted on the net, and I'm pretty sure on here. I know for sure one song of Jay Z's was posted on here that put the private talk of being able to "grab them by the pussy" to shame....Jay Z is celebrated for those lyrics, and Trump is damned for talking about how groupies are with celebrities. You're comparing the words of a rapper versus the words coming out of the mouth of the leader of the free world? It's not 'Presidential' or fitting.
The other stuff you posted to deem him racist proves nothing.
I don't know how to argue my point other than saying I find it odd that you can't say that it at least COULD be considered racist. Read the Wiki entry on Trump and racism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
Saying it’s legal to fire workers for being transgender.
--Arguing in court that it’s legal to fire workers for being gay. (Trump did, or his lawyers? What were the circumstances? Did they infringe on or make straight customers, tenants, co-workers uncomfortable or feel violated/harrassed somehow? IT wasn't a specific case--it was his Trump administration that TRIED to do it. ONE BROAD TAKEAWAYOF EVERY GAY PERSONS RIGHTS
If the Supreme Court rules in favor of the employees claiming discrimination, it will be an important win for LGBT advocates who have been advocating for protections under the Civil Rights Act for decades. It would also be a major hit for the Trump administration, which has openly advocated against the Civil Rights Act applying to LGBT individuals in hearings and briefs.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emaoconnor/supreme-court-discrimination-lgbt-title-vii
--Making transgender female prisoners live with male prisoners. (THEY ARE NOT FEMALES!) Not according to them--they identify as females. Besides--you can LEGALLY change sexes. Plus--it's just not a bright idea.
--Telling the Supreme Court that shopkeepers can turn away LGBTQ customers. (Trump doesn't get to tell the Supreme Court what to do. Private businesses have the right to do whatever the fuck they want. If a gay cake company only marketed to gay couples, and refused to to straight events; not a single gay person would side with the straight people....in fact they'd cheer the company, and jeer the straights. You know that is 100% true) I agree 200%
--Withdrawing Title IX protections for transgender students. (admittedly have no idea what that is, but did he do it or the courts? Either way opinion to follow..)It's the bathroom thing in schools---not sure how I feel about giving MINORS a bunch of rights. South Park episode comes to mind
--Refusing to investigate anti-transgender discrimination complaints in public schools. (When did Trump become LE?) Same bathroom stuff.
--Fighting to kick transgender people out of the military. (In combat...good) That's your opinion--and I don't agree at all-see other thread.
--Issuing a religious liberty policy to give government workers and contractors a loophole to ignore federal bans on discrimination against women and LGBTQ people. (Admittedly, no clue what you're talking about?)It doesn't SPECIFICALLY ( in the policy) protect gays or trans
--Declining to appoint an LGBTQ liaison for the White House. (How many other Presidents had one? What purpose do they serve? He's made a lot of cuts. What the fuck does an LGB liaison do for our nation and government? Let the administration know that gay's are people too? I think we've known, and practiced that for a couple decades now) The last 8 years with Obama had one...there are PLENTY of groups that had one--pretty sure I read in Feb of this year that only LBGTQXYZHADK got cut
--Protecting health care workers who don’t help transgender patients. (?) A doctor could refuse medical treatment JUST because the patient is trans...thats FUCKED UP
--Retracting plans to count LGBTQ people in the Census. (What purpose does that serve? Actually, I'd think you all would be pissed if it were on there! 100% serious...if I was gay, I'd be pissed and offended if I found out that was going to be on there. I question everything the government does, and would be very leery of them knowing my proclivities. I don't think a question about a person's sexuality, and especially gender confusion is appropriate in any way. I do think how many illegals is not only appropriate, but constitutionally necessary for the appropriate amount of U.S. citizens to be represented in Congress properly....so should you! Do you?) I agree with the illegals part but not with the other. What is the purpose of the Census? To get an accurate number! By not asking seems like a good way to get a wrong total. The point is this--TRUMP took away the -PROPOSAL---that's all it was--an idea to see if it would even become part of the Census
--No longer pressuring foreign governments not to imprison or otherwise persecute their citizens just for being LGBTQ. (The middle east is the only place that happens. You think are men and women are going to go to fight a war over muslims throwing gays off of buildings? "Some things" and "some people" will never change. If you're gay you should be smart enough to either get the hell out of those countries b4 flying your pride flag, or just not go there. No one cares about people that start shit. The freedoms you have here do not apply throughout the world. It is not the job of our government to change their beliefs. Let's be real here Prudence, anything Obama did in that regard was just fluff and posturing.
He did nothing of real value for the gay community) perhaps ur missing the point--and I'm not 100$ sure this is even a valid entry BUT--it means the USA will no longer pressure other countries to lock up people that harm gays. I don't know that the USA is truly doing this--
--Not allowing employees of international NGOs and government agencies to bring their LGBTQ partners to the United States unless they’re legally married — even in cases where same-sex marriage is illegal for those employees. (I don't know what an NGO is? non profit organization not connected to ANY government..who the fuck is Trump to say they have to be married? What if gay marriage isn't allowed in their country? What about gay Americans that arent married? The last part of what you're saying is confusing to me...did you mistype? Anyway, if they are not married than why should they be allowed to bring them here? Would a foreigner who migrates here be allowed to bring their boyfriend/girlfriend along with them? NO...so that is not discriminatory) But if they're STRAIGHT they ARE allowed!!! wtf?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIJCFc2XC5BQVOBB5Ts35luSMTON2OQH7AB1ReY6xbGG9CU22FgQ)
The only thing in that part I care about, and would like you to elaborate on when it comes to trans is the part about nurses not providing care because they are trans???? That's fucked up if it is standard care, Then it IS fucked up because it IS standard basic care.PERIOD. but if it's about forcing a nurse to clean a fake vagina or participating in cock removal surgery; my level of give shit is zero. I'm not saying trans people don't have human rightsWell yeah you are..if a homeless person gets shot and has no means to pay for hospital care the hospitals have a LEGAL requirement to render help. Not now under this plan.
It's also part of the reason that I'm so opposed to this tranny / "gender fluid" being able to go into any bathroom they want. You're just opening the door (literally) to people with a perversion going into a place they don't belong to get their rocks off under the disguise of them being different and needing to be protected.Very well put--it's a problem in the making. While I'm all for trans rights--I dont understand how THEY don't fucken understand that a guy that LOOKS like a girl might not be accepted in a public fucking bathroom. HOWEVER--and again, I'm not defending the thought of this ...how would YOU feel as a straight guy seeing a man dressed up as woman in a public bathroom?? I dunno
P.S. - Beyonce is not hot in any way, shape, or form without designer clothes and lot's of make up artists......even then it's debatable. Way to bring things back around to the size of Jay Z's dick at the end ::) You just can't help yourself......and that my friend is what makes straight people uneasy around you guys. Not all (I've known a good #), but most are never able to be "just one of the guys". Settle the fuck down snowflake...it was a joke.
(http://media.2oceansvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/jay1.jpg)
P.P.S.- There is no such thing as homophobia. Stop using that word. It's absurd.WHAAAAT???
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It's a discussion board. Might as well have a real discussion from time to time. I'm sick of all the bitching with no trying to find a middle ground, and hating just for the sake of hating. (I'm referring to America in general, not Prudence specifically)
Both of us are being respectful, and speaking what we believe is true so far.....so no harm, no foul. If it's "TL:DR" for anyone, just don't read it.
Very well put. I'm enjoying our dialogue. He has made very valid points...alot honestly. Maybe some of you turds should read what we're talking about and and see what an adult conversation (for the most part) looks like.
Don't like --don't read.
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how about we just get back to this.
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Very well put. I'm enjoying our dialogue. He has made very valid points...alot honestly. Maybe some of you turds should read what we're talking about and and see what an adult conversation (for the most part) looks like.
Don't like --don't read.
Me too, you too, and c'mon it's getbig....gotta have a little fun with it along the way. Did I get some of the colors right? LOL!
I did read through your reply as best I could through my allergy watered eyes on my phone this morning. Between my allergies, and my health issue acting up today; I'm going to have to put my reply off for today at least, but you can rest assured I've read, will re-read, and reply. I've just scanned a few other threads, and I'm pretty much gonna be done for today in a few minutes.
I didn't read the trump wiki link......I will, but c'mon bro...using buzzfeed and a wiki link that exists for no other reason than to prove a bias to illustrate your point/belief? You're better than that! :-[
how about we just get back to this.
Great post!
I can't speak for Prudence's motives, but that's kinda what I'm trying to do here is find some common ground on that fact. 8)
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Either of those two links contents can be found anywhere. those were the ones that popped up. They're both 100% verifiable facts elsewhere.
Trump DID those things.
Insofar as getting back to acting like an American.
I don't have to 'get back' to it. I've never stopped.
Part of being American is having the LEGAL ability and means to voice opposition about/to the President.
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Either of those two links contents can be found anywhere. those were the ones that popped up. They're both 100% verifiable facts elsewhere.
Trump DID those things.
Insofar as getting back to acting like an American.
I don't have to 'get back' to it. I've never stopped.
Part of being American is having the LEGAL ability and means to voice opposition about/to the President.
Were minority in here. I cant write a post with more than 1 line on politics. Ill vote Biden or nothing
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Oh I know we are.
Conversely, the other side feels the same way about us.
Oh well.
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Oh I know we are.
Conversely, the other side feels the same way about us.
Oh well.
For some Reason they believe Trump will save the World from its doom. Good for them, I guess.
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I'm not even gonna answer that because your trolling for no real good reason.
You know exactly where I'm coming from.
TDS is out of control, seek therapy.
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Well fuck me....that turned out way longer than it seemed to be while typing :o
I doubt Prudence will have any further questions. ;D
I just skimmed to the "Beyonce is not hot in any way shape or form" and concluded you can't be trusted
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I just skimmed to the "Beyonce is not hot in any way shape or form" and concluded you can't be trusted
I did qualify it.."without designer clothes, and the help of a ton of makeup artists" If I knew how to post pics on here, I could show you plenty of examples.
She was fairly attractive when she first hit the scene. To me, to qualify as being beautiful your hair needs to be something you grow... not put on.
Everyone's got their own taste A007. Now we know your's sucks ;D
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I did qualify it.."without designer clothes, and the help of a ton of makeup artists" If I knew how to post pics on here, I could show you plenty of examples.
She was fairly attractive when she first hit the scene. To me, to qualify as being beautiful your hair needs to be something you grow... not put on.
Everyone's got their own taste A007. Now we know your's sucks ;D
I agree. Years ago when she was first popular there was a photo of her in the newspaper with no make up and frizzy darkie hair and she looked fucking vile
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Beyonce is not hot without makeup? But I'm only one of 3 gay guys here right?
Phaggot.
(http://static.becomegorgeous.com/img/arts/2014/5/they-re-just-like-us-if-not-worse-celebrities-without-makeup/embedded_beyonce_without_makeup.jpg)
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Beyonce is not hot without makeup? But I'm only one of 3 gay guys here right?
Phaggot.
(http://static.becomegorgeous.com/img/arts/2014/5/they-re-just-like-us-if-not-worse-celebrities-without-makeup/embedded_beyonce_without_makeup.jpg)
Yes stunningly beautiful and almost indistinguishable from her dolled up self, you have to be a dirty aids ridden fag to not find this attractive....
(http://i67.tinypic.com/xgmwwy.jpg)
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but you have to give her credit she is a good dead lifter.
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Compassionate libtards...
https://www.theblaze.com/news/liberal-response-to-seattle-rape
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Were minority in here. I cant write a post with more than 1 line on politics. Ill vote Biden or nothing
7 days of free accommodation for U & PLudence on Queensland crocks farm :D
(before US election)
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Compassionate libtards...
https://www.theblaze.com/news/liberal-response-to-seattle-rape
Demented.
Mentally whacked.
Their values are upside down.